{"meta":{"seed":"orthotropics","gap_months":6,"breaks_with_text":9149,"sampled":40,"source":"local looksmax corpus"},"examples":[{"break_months":31,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2022-03-28","text":"No surgery exists to do what you want. Lucky you’ve got attractive eyes."},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2024-11-07","text":"Jaw surgery is the only way\nYou’ll thank yourself in 10 years when the hair is less"}},{"break_months":32,"before":{"kind":"post","date":"2021-09-27","text":"I started mouth breathing unknowingly after deviated septum surgery 9 months ago. Is my face fixable?? Excuse the bed head","url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/orthotropics/comments/pwl4jq"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2024-06-29","text":"Wow i’m just learning that orthodontists can cause this. I have a permanent retainer on the inside of my bottom teeth. My chin is recessed do you think it’s from the retainer? I’ve been soft mewing for a couple years it’s gotten a bit better but still pretty recessed"}},{"break_months":14,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2023-05-05","text":"Wow success"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2024-08-02","text":"Could it be an infection ?"}},{"break_months":12,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2024-11-09","text":"I used them for a bit but there is a tiny hole in them so you don’t suffocate and my partner said l was whistling through it like a 1940’s kettle all night"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2025-12-21","text":"I can definitely see changes in the firmness of your jawline less jowls looks younger"}},{"break_months":6,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2022-09-01","text":"Questions :\n1) Did you struggle with mewing in the first months? I'm asking this because i can already mantain the whole tongue on my palate, BUT i struggle with breathing sometimes, it feels hard to breath while mewing.\n\n2) What do you do in the intervals of talking,eating? What i mean by intervals is, when you're eating, those moments where you're not chewing or swallowing, do you have your tongue up in your palate? Same for talking, when someone is talking to you, and you're just listening, do you consciously mew? I'm also asking this because to me this is my biggest problem with mewing. Ofc you can't mew **while** you're talking/eating, but in those moments where you're only listening …"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2023-04-19","text":"Hey, i still have this breathing issue and i have been mewing for 9 months now. \n\nLike i am able to breath, but it feels so painful and i have to breath really hard to fill my lungs, and i constantly feel like i am out of air all the time.\n\nThe issue now is that i can't stop mewing because my tongue always go back to my upper palate, i don't mind that, it's just the breathing issue that bothers me, i can't breath properly ever since i started  mewing. \n\nWhat i'd like to ask you is, how much time did it take for you to be able to breath well while mewing?"}},{"break_months":12,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2020-06-26","text":"No, it will not give you a brow ridge if you lack one. What it will do, however, is make it appear as your eyes have changed shape, or become more attractive looking as your cheekbones get more prominent. \n\nIf you have low testosterone, increasing it may give you a brow ridge over time. Or you just may lack the genetics to have one in the first place."},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2021-07-22","text":"It's not too late to fix your development, your bones remodel throughout your life and it's a myth that growth cannot be achieved as an adult. \n\nBut you should be realistic about your goals and don't set unrealistic expectations for what you will achieve. I feel like what people idealize is unhealthy and it does nothing but set you up for disappointment and discouragement. Reaching your genetic potential will not only improve your looks, but functionality and health, which is what is truly important in the long run. \n\nIf you're skeptical about whether their results are legitimate or not, it's because your judgement is most likely correct. Also, consider the source. If it's from an …"}},{"break_months":6,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2025-06-18","text":"Don’t fall for jester patel. Thumbpulling isn’t real just chew mastic gum"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2026-01-04","text":"Train neck muscles and do chin tucks for maximum effectiveness"}},{"break_months":8,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2021-06-01","text":"Was just about to say, symmetry obsession is an early sign of BDD."},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2022-03-28","text":"No surgery exists to do what you want. Lucky you’ve got attractive eyes."}},{"break_months":9,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2021-05-11","text":"I used to live in Japan and it's not so uncommon there to have one one monolid and one double lid. I never noticed it on people until they pointed it out to me"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2022-03-22","text":"I am also fairly thin and had a very similar situation to yours that wouldn't go away with weight loss. I got a cosmetic procedure done a few years ago called a short scar neck lift, and I've been so happy with the results. They removed the fat from that area and put a little bit of it in my chin and jawline to sharpen my profile. The results were subtle and natural, but definitely evident when you compared the before and after pics. (Here's a [before and after](https://www.instagram.com/p/CUYFYfcsARl/) of someone with similar results, although my \"before\" was worse than hers and yours)\n\nI have also seen Kybella recommended as an FDA-approved non-invasive procedure, so it might be worth …"}},{"break_months":16,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2020-02-21","text":"I understand what you’re feeling and it’s a hard road to go down but it does get better with time. The first few months are the hardest because you’ll feel like you’re learning something completely new every few weeks as your palate slowly makes room for your tongue. Worst part is that you won’t see any exterior changes until way past this. Once you’re fully capable of mewing correctly though, you’ll be able to tell. It sort of just feels very natural to keep the back of the tongue up. It took me about 4 months to reach that point and then you’ll have to keep at it even longer for results. At the very least, it might be comforting to know that keeping your tongue raised and having good …"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2021-07-03","text":"If the retainers still fit, then they will eventually move your teeth back into place. Might not be exactly the same depending on how long you go without it and how forcefully you fit it on.\nThe worrisome part is that retainers are designed to keep them in place not shift your teeth and if it applies too much pressure on your teeth, you could theoretically damage nerves."}},{"break_months":10,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2019-08-03","text":"Have your cheeks hollowed out doing these things"},"after":{"kind":"post","date":"2020-07-01","text":"Counterclockwise rotation\n\nIs counterclockwise rotation of mandible possible without surgery. Can you use some type of device","url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/orthotropics/comments/hj5js7"}},{"break_months":17,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2021-10-07","text":"For most people who mew"},"after":{"kind":"post","date":"2023-04-28","text":"Need advice\n\nAlright so ive been mewing for some years now and altough ive seen results, the gap in my tooth is really starting to bother me. \n\nI ditched my retainer because I heard thats whats needed to make mewing gains, and im glad with my mewing results and i wanna keep making mewing results but I dont wanna wear retainers again after i fix my gap, because retainers stunt mewing progress right?\n\nDoes anyone have any solutions on how i can still improve my face with mewing while closing my gap?","url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/orthotropics/comments/1320dm9"}},{"break_months":29,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2021-02-26","text":"It’s most likely a lighting thing. Like it just looks worse because the light isn’t causing a shadow under your jawline, whereas the other side has downward lighting and causes a shadow. That’s my best guess"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2023-08-19","text":"Sleeping on your stomach too pushes it back it’s all abt how u sleep"}},{"break_months":13,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2020-08-24","text":"I was almost following you then you lost any goodfaith you had going in the last 2 sentences"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2021-10-08","text":"I mean she's literally a model so... Probably not\n\nMalnutrition is a helluva drug"}},{"break_months":9,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2021-06-02","text":"nobody should photoshop themselves like this, it will only lead to poor mental health"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2022-04-28","text":"it changes a lot even into your early-mid 20s, most of the 'progress posts' on here are just people's jaws filling out naturally"}},{"break_months":14,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2024-12-23","text":"Did you find a place?"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2026-03-14","text":"No one in Vancouver can do expansion on me because I don't have a crossbite"}},{"break_months":11,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2022-09-15","text":"Facts"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2023-09-18","text":"Squinting causes wrinkles because it repeatedly folds and creases the skin around the eyes, leading to permanent lines over time."}},{"break_months":37,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2020-11-19","text":"Visually I mean anyway, if both sides look different it wont matter if they both look decent. My jaw and nose are super asymmetric but so long as both sides look okay, I don't see an issue aesthetically speaking."},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2024-01-04","text":"Sleeping on your back will cause sleep apnea. Terrible advice."}},{"break_months":19,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2020-10-29","text":"Mike mew made a video on manners, culture and how mewing interlap. I can’t find it anymore but he basically points out how some cultures and long standing manners work in hand with mewing.\n\nLike how keeping your mouth closed while chewing is polite but also mewing.\n\nHow keeping your mouth open makes you look stupid, so basically telling you not to mouth breath\n\nHow you need to sit up straight while eating \n\nOr the idea that you keep making that stupid face, it’ll stay that way. \n\nChew your food more, don’t rush eating. \n\nAnd just the whole thing with difference in types of food eaten by different cultures. \n\nGrowing up in an Asian household, our parents were really strict about these things …"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2022-06-28","text":"Chin tucks helped develop muscles in the upper back and neck. \n\nEither moving the head backward or chin in and top of the head high, it’s the same thing. They’re meant to develop the same muscles. \n\nUnder developed muscles here are part of the reason people have forward neck posture, and forward neck posture can lead to an underdeveloped face according to dr. Mew.\n\nI went to a physical therapist for jaw and neck pain and chin tucks is one of the exercises they prescribed to me because I had forward neck posture. It’s definitely gotten much better after years of doing it every few days or so."}},{"break_months":15,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2023-07-16","text":"Sleep apnea"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2024-11-23","text":"Some people are just to far gone to ever mew properly no matter how hard you try to engage posterior third fix your neck etc. I tried all of this for 2 years with no results. I Got double jaw surgery which created more space for the tongue and my airway. now I mew subconsciously and breathe like a champ"}},{"break_months":47,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2020-02-01","text":"My nose is definitely shorter now than it was, I used to get told I had a big nose (sometimes as a compliment). Now it is a lot less defined and most compliments are about my high cheekbones"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2024-02-06","text":"I started at 24~25 range and am now 30. I'll PM you am updated image."}},{"break_months":16,"before":{"kind":"post","date":"2023-07-15","text":"Feeling shifting ting with braces\n\n I have unknowingly been doing mewing in my life to certain extend and then it's been an on and off thing. Untill recently where I'm mindfully making it a habit. So I got braces, I'm an adult. Thankfully zero extractions and teeth was shaved down abit to make space for the shifting. With the proper tongue placement, I'm almost feeling irl results(what I mean by that is - w tongue placement I feel my front bottom 2 teeth * where both of them are crowed on each other being sore*) And can see more faster progress with mewing than w.o it\n\nQuestion is, it's normal right?","url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/orthotropics/comments/150eno9"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2024-12-29","text":"Is it possible to get results doing this while having braces"}},{"break_months":11,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2020-02-21","text":"We dont know how old are you, and age makes a HUGE difference when you talk about seeing progress in 3 months or so.  \nSecond, when you look yourself every day in the mirror, you cannot see differences, as day-to-day progress is small and you get used to it from seeing it regularly. \"A watched pot never boils\"  \n\n\nTake a picture of yourself, one front and one side profile picture, then mew (or dont) for a year, see what happens. I guarantee that, if you do it correctly, changes will be visible.  \nCheers and good luck bro"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2021-02-05","text":"Id say its 10 narrow"}},{"break_months":6,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2021-03-21","text":"Tribal / indigenous people tend to have better facial structure than people in society 🤣. There’s been multiple examples of this in this sub alone."},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2021-10-04","text":"Yes but second picture still looks noticeably higher bodyfat in the face."}},{"break_months":8,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2023-02-22","text":"reminding"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2023-11-21","text":"did you ended up getting them atrophy some how?"}},{"break_months":18,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2020-11-28","text":"no, wait till you're 70."},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2022-06-03","text":"i dont really see any assymmetry other than your nose in the first pic. And because it's using selfie camera it's not reliable ( selfie camera's are usually worse than the back camera and distorts your face )"}},{"break_months":17,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2022-06-10","text":"Agree with above! I’m doing palate expander and it’s been so good for me breathing wise and teeth fitting wise too (and aesthetically!). Find an airway focused orthodontist, you should never be extracting your teeth! It will give you breathing problems eventually and aesthetically you lose definition too. The way your top teeth are slanting remind me of mine before I did the palate expansion"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2023-12-26","text":"loll so i didn't end up doing the facemask it was too painful... my dr. told me a facemask would've only moved my upper jaw forward by 1mm anyways (which is pretty significant in terms of jaw growth i guess but won't make a big difference looks-wise i think..)"}},{"break_months":18,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2021-07-21","text":"Arabs do and have done a lot of inbreeding"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2023-02-09","text":"You look good, stop focusing on your \"chubby cheeks\" they're not chubby."}},{"break_months":9,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2024-07-31","text":"It did, yes. If you are only 15 you will have even better results."},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2025-06-10","text":"I have a different dentist now and they never mentioned teeth grinding once. I think my previous dentist had an obsession about it. He talked to me about it every time I went but I haven't heard it mentioned since having a new dentist.\n\nI do think the marks on the cheeks are from suction. My previous dentist took an X-ray every six months to show me the damage of teeth grinding but on my last X-ray my enamel and teeth were the same."}},{"break_months":6,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2025-12-30","text":"With straight neck im having now slightly apart or lightly touching incisors. Also i am aware of my jaw to not full hanging down, and it seems i fixed my jaw tension instantly. Ofc im not forcing to touch molars as before. Looks like when i was improving my posture for better, my masseter tension was increasing cuz i was forcing to push my jaw back to have molars in contact. \n\n  \nGood thing is, i started to look better literally after 2h from this fix"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2026-07-12","text":"Now turn off internet and go to the beach. Look how many there is good looking women (now talking abt body) and good looking men. I bet 99% of men looks soft and fat with belly, meanwhile at least 50% of women looks pretty decent. I was in croatia 3-4x and ive seen maybe few guys looking good, the rest were fat.\n\n  \nAnyway, I was talking about posture and jawline, why are u even talking about bmi?"}},{"break_months":7,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2018-03-03","text":"If you can't do it without straining then you are just going to give yourself a giant wrinkle in your chin. I was a believer in this stuff but I am starting to see that this won't fix fundamental issues. If you must strain to close then closing your mouth won't provide a benefit until the jaws have caught up via mewing"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2018-11-27","text":"Absolutely. I am undergoing forward expansion with AGGA.  I sleep mostly on my right side and the right side was moving much faster.  I made a conscious effort to sleep on the left and the left is catching up."}},{"break_months":6,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2023-10-26","text":"why the slimmer side shouldnt he chew on the fatter side i have the same problem please do reply my frnd"},"after":{"kind":"post","date":"2024-05-04","text":"Do I have socliosis my face is also assymteric or is it jaw misalignment","url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/orthotropics/comments/1ck5ndk"}},{"break_months":6,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2019-06-30","text":"I could prove you wrong"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2020-01-03","text":"hairstyle is main problem,  get rid of volume at crown and back of head.  add more length with curls to front of hair at forehead"}},{"break_months":8,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2023-02-15","text":"thanks!"},"after":{"kind":"post","date":"2023-11-04","text":"one yr mewing\n\nwish i had better before pics 😭 + i need tips on how to improve even more","url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/orthotropics/comments/17nojj8"}},{"break_months":9,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2021-06-29","text":"No. Just Google teeth eruption. It’s a process that occurs when the adult teeth (upper and lower) are only touching each other during a fraction of the day. This results in the teeth moving/erupting out of the gum in order to get more contact with the other teeth. Even my orthodontist told\nMe about this after my Invisalign treatment. I had to wear only the front part at the end so that my molars could fill the empty space."},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2022-04-05","text":"yooo 2.800€ you could do small jaw surgery for that money"}},{"break_months":9,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2022-01-07","text":"Botox"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2022-11-24","text":"There is a muscle that pulls the nose downward, perhaps a bit of Botox could relax it for some improvement."}},{"break_months":10,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2021-02-20","text":"Honestly not only that I’m currently going through Orthotropic treatment with Dr Brian hockel and my treatment plan is 12k????? Honestly I say go to an office that does airway orthodontics. Not worth the 12k."},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2022-01-14","text":"So what are ur thoughts on the practice of Orthotropics as a whole?"}},{"break_months":27,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2020-11-05","text":"What treatment plan are your following?"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2023-03-02","text":"Do not do it!!!!!!   Major regret.   I am 55 and am in braces again undoing the damage extracting 4 teeth caused"}},{"break_months":12,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2019-06-29","text":"I also want some motivation"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2020-07-14","text":"Do you have any pictures from the side? BTW great progress, I've enjoyed seeing your updates on the sub"}},{"break_months":8,"before":{"kind":"comment","date":"2025-09-30","text":"Before anyone jumps to conclusions, keep in mind that two photos alone don’t provide enough information for a proper assessment. \n\nAn orthodontist needs to evaluate a patient from multiple angles such as but not limited to: crowding or spacing within each arch, how the jaws fit together, the overall facial profile, the position of the front teeth, the bone support around them, and any limiting factors such as a narrow palate with crossbites (especially if growth modification is no longer possible).\n\nIt’s wonderful that this Reddit forum allows people to share their experiences on the path to a better smile, but it’s also important to place trust in the specialists who are trained to guide …"},"after":{"kind":"comment","date":"2026-06-10","text":"Everyone is throwing out black and white answers as if one picture can give you all the information that is needed to make a diagnosis. OP, please keep in mind that the majority of the people commenting are not proficient and specialized in this field. Take what they say with a grain of salt and try not to let these opinions hold so much sway that you are only accepting of one professional opinion. Every individual will have an individual treatment plan pertaining to what their clinical/radiographic findings are. One person with the same maxilla may need a MARPE while another does not need one, with or without an airway issue.\n\nAs a board-certified orthodontist, I also focus on the airway …"}}]}