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+For the reasons stated above, the Court should deny Defendant's Motion in its entirety.
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+Dated: March 17, 2017
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+Respectfully Submitted,
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+BOIES SCHILLER FLEXNER LLP
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+By: /s/ Sigrid McCawley
+Sigrid McCawley (Pro Hac Vice)
+Boies Schiller Flexner LLP
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+23 This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
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+#### CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on March 17, 2017, I electronically filed the foregoing document with the Clerk of Court by using the CM/ECF system. I also certify that the foregoing document is being served this day on the individuals identified below via transmission of Notices of Electronic Filing generated by CM/ECF.
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+## EXHIBIT E
+
+From: <\_ Date: 2 January 2015 at 20:38 Subject: Ghislaine Maxwell To: Rossacuity Gow < bcc: P.Peacheigaindependent.co.uk nick.sommerlad@mirror.co.uk, nick.alwavPbbc.co.uk, jo-anne.pugh@bbc.co.uk
+
+To Whom It May Concern, Please find attached a quotable statement on behalf of Ms Maxwell.
+
+No further communication will be provided by her on this matter.
+
+Thanks for your understanding.
+
+Best
+
+a
+
+'Wow ACUITY Reputation
+
+Jane Doe 3 is - so not a new individual. The allegations made by Victoria \_against Ghislaine Maxwell are untrue. The original allegations are not new and have been fully responded to and shown to be untrue.
+
+Each time the story is re told it changes with new salacious details about public figures and world leaders and now it is alleged by that Alan Derschowitz is involved in having sexual relations with her, which he denies.
+
+claims are obvious lies and should be treated as such and not publicised as news, as they are defamatory.
+
+Ghislaine Maxwell's original response to the lies and defamatory claims remains the same. Maxwell strongly denies allegations of an unsavoury nature, which have appeared in the British press and elsewhere and reserves her right to seek redress at the repetition of such old defamatory claims.
+
+Sent from my BlackBerry° wireless device
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+#### UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
+
+X Plaintiff, v. GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendant. X
+
+15-cv-07433-RWS
+
+### Defendant's Response in Opposition to Plaintiff's Omnibus Motion in Limine
+
+Laura A. Menninger Jeffrey S. Pagliuca Ty Gee HADDON. AND P.C. 150 East 10' Avenue Denver, CO 80203 303.831.7364
+
+## TABLE OF CONTENTS
+
+| INTRODUCTION I. A. statement B. Responses to Enumerated Motions In Limine | 1 4 6 6 |
+|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
+| 2. Meeting Bill Clinton at Jeffrey Epstein's private island twice (Motion in Limine 2) | 8 |
+| 3. FOIA responses and related materials are admissible (Motion in Limine 3) | 8 |
+| 4. Louis Freeh's testimony and report are admissible evidence (Motion in Limine 4) | 9 |
+| 5. | Prince Andrew and Buckingham Palace's denials of Plaintiff's claims are not offered |
+| for the truth of the matter asserted (Motion in Limine 5) | 11 |
+| Limine 6) | 14 |
+| 7. | Plaintiff cannot prohibit use of words such as "prostitute," which she used to describe |
+| 7) | 14 |
+| 8. | Plaintiff's drug use is relevant to her memory and lack of damages (Motion in [Amine |
+| 8) | 16 |
+| 9. | Information regarding Plaintiff's criminal history is relevant and admissible evidence |
+| when character is an essential element of the claim (Motion in Limine 9) | 18 |
+| spent her time in 1999 to 2002 (Motion in Limine 10) | 19 |
+| II. Plaintiff put her full childhood history and character at issue (Motion in Limine 11) | 20 |
+| defamation per se (Motion in Limine 12) | 20 |
+
+| truthfulness (Motion in Limine 13) | 22 |
+|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----|
+| jury (Motion in Limine 15) | 24 |
+| Limine 16) | 25 |
+| case, including the settlement of those claims (Motion in I.imine 17) | 26 |
+| Limine 18) | 26 |
+| 19. Judge Marra's ruling is relevant and admissible (Motion in Limine 19) | 29 |
+| Boylan is admissible (Motion in Limine 20) | 31 |
+| Advisory Opinion (Motions in Limine 21-29) | 32 |
+| I. "Bad Acts" by Plaintiffs counsel | 34 |
+| 2. Discussion of missing witnesses and absence of evidence is appropriate, and missing | |
+| witness instruction may be requested | 35 |
+| CONCLUSION | 36 |
+| CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE | 38 |
+
+## TABLE OF AUTHORITIES
+
+### Cases
+
+| Brady v. Chemical Construction Corp., 740 F.2d 195 (2d Cir. 1984) | 10 |
+|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------|
+| June 8, 2012) | 11 |
+| Cardillo v. Doubleday & Co., Inc., 518 F.2d 638, 639-40 (2d Cir.1975) | 13 |
+| Chamblee v. Harris & Harris, Inc., 154 F. Supp. 2d 670, 681 (S.D.N.Y. 2001) | 22 |
+| Chnapkova v. Koh, 985 F.2d 79, 82 (2d Cir. 1993) | 22 |
+| Daniels by v. Wal-Mart Stores, Inc., 634 So.2d 88, 93 (Miss. 1993) | 4 |
+| DeVaul v Carvigo Inc., 526 N.Y.S.2d 483 (2d Dept. 1988) | 35 |
+| Doddy v. Oxy USA, Inc., 101 F.3d 448, 459-60 (5th Cir. 1996) | 10 |
+| Donnelly v. DeChristoforo, 416 U.S. 637, 646-47, 94 S.Ct. 1868, 40 L.Ed.2d 431 (1974). | 33 |
+| EEOC v. Grief Brothers Corp., 218 F.R.D. 59, 61-62 (W.D.N.Y. 2003) | 25 |
+| Equal Employment Opportunity Comm'n v. | Pierce's Sportsman's Grille, LLC, No. 3:10- |
+| CV-541-WHB-LRA, 2013 WL 12123370, at *1 (S.D. Miss. Jan. 11, 2013) | 24 |
+| Gaillard v. Jim's Water Service, Inc., 535 F.3d 771, 778-779 (8th Cir. 2008) | 22 |
+| Gallo v. Ricci, 814 N.Y.S.2d 422, 423 (2006) | 36 |
+| Geraty v. Vill. of Antioch, No. 09 C 6992, 2015 WL 127917, at *7 (N.D. III. Jan. 8, 2015) | 9 |
+| Mar. 24, 1989) | 17 |
+| Gov't of Virgin Islands v. Grant, 775 F.2d 508, 511 & n. 4 (3d Cir. 1985) | 3 |
+| Grasso v. Mathew, 564 N.Y.S.2d 576, 578 (3d Dep't 1991) | 30 |
+| Guccione v. Hustler Magazine, Inc., 800 F.2d 298, 303 (2d Cir. 1986) | 13 |
+
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+|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
+| Kadant | Inc. v. D'Amico, No. CIV.A. 10-2869, 2012 WL 2190897, at *1 (ED. La. June |
+| 14, 2012) | 3 |
+| Kevorkian v. Am. Med. Ass'n, 237 Mich. App. I, 12, 602 N.W.2d 233, 239 (1999) | 13 |
+| Longmire v. Ala. State Univ., 151 F.R.D. 414, 419 (M.D.Ala. 1992) | 3 |
+| 6, 2012) | 12 |
+| v. Alexander, 898 F.Supp. 162, 171 (S.D.N.Y. 1995) | 30 |
+| Palmieri v. Defaria, 88 F.3d 136, 141 (2d Cir. 1996) | 33 |
+| People vIM, 21 N.Y.3d 226 (2013) | 35 |
+| People v. 5 N.Y.3d 732, 734 (2005) | 35 |
+| June 4, 2015) | 13, 28 |
+| S.E.C. v. & Ailunan Corp., 256 F.R.D. 403, 412 (S.D.N.Y. 2009) | 19 |
+| Schafer v. Time, Inc., 142 F.3d 1361, 1364-75 (11th Cir. 1998) | 3 |
+| Sidor v. Reno, 95 CIV. 9588 (KMW), 1998 WL 164823, *2 (S.D.N.Y. April 7, 1998) | 25 |
+| United States v. Dukes, 727 F.2d 34, 37 (2d Cir. 1984) | 17 |
+| United States v. Hatchett, 918 F.2d 631, 641 (6th Cir. 1990) | 22 |
+| United States v. Lajan, No. 05-CR-924 (RB) (D.N.M. Mar. 25, 2011) | 32 |
+| United States v. Piche, 981 F.2d 706, 713 (4th Cir. 1992) | 3 |
+| United States v. Rabbani, 382 F. App'x 39, 42 (2d Cir. 2010) | 35 |
+| . 583 F.3d 1265, 1272 (10th Cir. 2009) | 17 |
+| United States v. Van Meerbeke, 548 F.2d 415, 417-18 (2d Cir. 1976) | 17 |
+
+| United States v. West, | 58 F.3d 133, 141 (5th Cir. 1995) | 22 |
+|-------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------|----|
+| United States v. Wexler, 79 | F.2d 526, 529-30 (2d Cir. 1935) | 33 |
+| United States v. Wilson, | No. 04-CR-1016 NGG, 2013 WL 2948034, at *4-6 (E.D.N.Y. June 14, | |
+| 2013) | | 32 |
+| World Wide Ass'n of Specialty Programs v. Pure. Inc., | 450 F.3d 1132, 1138 (10th Cir. 2006) | 3 |
+| Zamora v. GC Servs., L.P., | 647 F. App'x 330 (5th Cir. 2016) | 9 |
+
+#### Rules
+
+| Fed. R. Evid. 403 | 7 |
+|----------------------------------|--------------|
+| Fed. R. Evid. 405 and 608 | 4, 6, 15, 20 |
+| Fed. R. Evid. 405(b) | passim |
+| Fed. R. Evid. 801 | 12 |
+| Fed. R. Evid. 801 (d)(2)(D) | 29, 31 |
+| Fed. R. Evid. 803(6) | 19 |
+| Fed. R. Evid. 803(8) | 8 |
+| Fed. R. Evid. 902(4) and 902(11) | 19 |
+
+# PAGES 1-36
+
+# REDACTED
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+Dated: March 17, 2017
+
+Respectfully submitted,
+
+/s/ Laura A. Menninger
+
+Laura A. Menninger (LM-1374)
+
+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca (pro hac vice)
+
+Ty Gee (pro hac vice)
+
+HADDON, a AND a P.C.
+
+150 East 10 Avenue
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+Denver, CO 80203
+
+Phone: 303.831.7364
+
+Fax: 303.832.2628
+
+Imenninger@hmflaw.com
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+Attorneys for Ghislaine Maxwell
+
+#### CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on March 17, 2017, I electronically served this Defendant's Response in Opposition to Plaintiff's Omnibus Motion In Limine via ECF on the following:
+
+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith BOISS, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfilp.com mschultz@bsfilp.com
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+JAFFE, WEISSING, ~, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Ave., Ste. 2 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 brad@pathtojustice.com
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+Is/ Nicole Nicole
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+## United States District Court Southern District of New York
+
+Plaintiff,
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+Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+v.
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+Ghislaine Maxwell,
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+Defendant.
+
+## DECLARATION OF MEREDITH IN SUPPORT OF PLAINTIFF'S RESPONSE IN OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE POLICE REPORTS
+
+I, Meredith M, declare that the below is true and correct to the best of my knowledge as follows:
+
+- I. I am a Counsel with the law firm of Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP and duly licensed to practice in Florida and before this Court pursuant to this Court's Order granting my Application to Appear Pro Hac Vice.
+- 2. I respectfully submit this Declaration in Support of Plaintiff's Response in Opposition to Defendant's Motion in Limine to Exclude Police Reports.
+ - 3. Attached hereto as Sealed Exhibit 1 is a true and correct copy of
+ - 4. Attached here to as Sealed Exhibit 2 is a true and correct copy of
+ - 5. Attached hereto as Sealed Exhibit 3 are true and correct copy of
+ - 6. Attached here to as Sealed Composite Exhibit 4 are true and correct copies of
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+[REDACTED]
+
+[REDACTED]
+
+[REDACTED]
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+7. Attached here to as Sealed Exhibit 5 is a true and correct copy of [REDACTED]
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+[REDACTED],
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+8. Attached hereto as Sealed Exhibit 6 is a true and correct copy of [REDACTED]
+
+[REDACTED],
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+9. Attached hereto as Sealed Exhibit 7 is Excerpts of [REDACTED].
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+10. Attached hereto as Sealed Composite Exhibit 8 are true and correct copies of [REDACTED]
+
+[REDACTED]
+
+[REDACTED].
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+I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
+
+Dated: March 17, 2017
+
+/s/ Meredith [REDACTED]
+Meredith [REDACTED], Esq.
+
+Respectfully Submitted, BOLES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
+
+By: /s/ Meredith Schutlz Sigrid S. McCawley(Pro Hac Vice) Meredith (Pm Hac Vice) Boies Schiller & Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
+
+David Boies Boies Schiller & Flexner LLP 333 Main Street Armonk, NY 10504
+
+a J.t (Pro Hac Vice) JAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 (954) 524-2820
+
+Paul G. Cassell (Pro Hac Vice) S.J. Quinney College of Law University of Utah 383 University St. Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-52021
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+' This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
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+Laura A. Menninger, Esq. Jeffrey Pagliuca. Es . HADDON, & 150 East 10th Avenue Denver, Colorado 80203 Tel: (303) 831-7364 Fax: (303) 832-2628 Email: Imenninger@lunflaw.com jpagliuca@hmflaw.com , P.C.
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+> /s/ Meredith Meredith , Esq.
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+## EXHIBIT A
+
+From: <4 Date: 2 January 2015 at 20:38 Subject: Ghislaine Maxwell To: Rossacuity Gow < bcc: P.Peachev@independent.co.uk nick.sommerlad@mirror.co.uk, nick.alwavPbbc.co.uk jo-anne.pugh@bbc.co.uk
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+To Whom It May Concern, Please find attached a quotable statement on behalf of Ms Maxwell.
+
+No further communication will be provided by her on this matter.
+
+Thanks for your understanding.
+
+Best
+
+'Wow ACUITY Reputation
+
+Jane Doe 3 is - so not a new individual. The allegations made by Victoria \_against Ghislaine Maxwell are untrue. The original allegations are not new and have been fully responded to and shown to be untrue.
+
+Each time the story is re told it changes with new salacious details about public figures and world leaders and now it is alleged by that Alan Derschowitz is involved in having sexual relations with her, which he denies.
+
+claims are obvious lies and should be treated as such and not publicised as news, as they are defamatory.
+
+Ghislaine Maxwell's original response to the lies and defamatory claims remains the same. Maxwell strongly denies allegations of an unsavoury nature, which have appeared in the British press and elsewhere and reserves her right to seek redress at the repetition of such old defamatory claims.
+
+Sent from my BlackBerry° wireless device
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+## EXHIBIT B
+
+## Teenage girl recruited by paedophile Jeffrey Epstein reveals how she twice met Bill Clinton
+
+By Sharon Churcher and Polly Dunbar for MailOnline
+
+Updated: 19:53 EST, 5 March 2011
+
+As a New Yorker from humble beginnings, Jeffrey Epstein played on his blue-collar credentials and enormous wealth to extend tentacles of influence throughout America's liberal political elite.During the outcry over the Epstein case, it emerged that another man with a notorious appetite for young women, Bill Clinton, travelled with Epstein to a number of destinations, including three times on the billionaire's private aircraft.On one occasion, Epstein flew the former President, Hollywood actor and staunch Democrat Kevin Spacey and another actor friend of Mr Clinton's, Chris Tucker, to Africa, to 'discuss AIDS policy'.
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+
+
+Claims: 'lent out' says she twice met ex-president Bill Clinton, pictured last month, but was never
+
+
+
+Epstein, who has donated more than £75,000 over the years to candidates from the Democratic Party, also flew with Mr Clinton in November 2003 to destinations including Russia, Oslo, Hong Kong, Shanghai and Beijing.
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+Yet stresses that she was never 'lent out' to Mr Clinton.
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+On one occasion, she adds, Epstein did invite two young brunettes to a dinner which he gave on his Caribbean island for Mr Clinton shortly after he left office. But, as far as she knows, the ex-President did not take the bait. 'I'd have been about 17 at the time,' she says. 'I flew to the Caribbean with Jeffrey and then Ghislaine Maxwell went to pick up Bill in a huge black helicopter that Jeffrey had bought her.
+
+## Share this article
+
+Share'She'd always wanted to fly and Jeffrey paid for her to take lessons, and I remember she was very excited because she got her licence around the first year we met.
+
+1 used to get frightened flying with her but Bill had the Secret Service with him and I remember him talking about what a good job she did.'I only ever met Bill twice but Jeffrey had told me that they were good friends.
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+'I asked, "How come?" and he laughed and said, "He owes me some favours." Maybe he was just joking but it constantly surprised me that people with as much to lose as Bill and [Prince] Andrew weren't more
+
+careful.'Bill must have known about Jeffrey's girls. There were three desks in the living area of the villa on the island.
+
+
+
+Speaking out: Virginia, now aged 26, in her new home in Australia
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+'They were covered with pictures of Jeffrey shaking hands with famous people and photos of naked girls, including one of me that Jeffrey had at all his houses, lying in a hammock.'We all dined together that night. Jeffrey was at the head of the table. Bill was at his left. I sat across from him. Ghislaine's blonde British assistant, sat at my right. 'Ghislaine was at Bill's left and at the left of Ghislaine there were two olive-skinned brunettes who'd flown in with us from New York.
+
+'I'd never met them before. I'd say they were no older than 17, very innocent-looking. 'They weren't there for me. They weren't there for Jeffrey or Ghislaine because I was there to have sex with Jeffrey on the trip.'Maybe Jeffrey thought they would entertain Bill, but I saw no evidence that he was interested in them. He and Jeffrey and Ghislaine seemed to have a very good relationship. Bill was very funny.
+
+'Bill must have known about Jeffrey's girls. There were three desks in the living area of the villa on the island... covered with photos of naked girls' He made me laugh a few times. And he and Jeffrey and Ghislaine told blokey jokes and the brunettes listened politely and giggled. `After dinner I gave Jeffrey an erotic massage. I don't remember seeing Bill again on the trip but I assume Ghislaine flew him back.'According to prison records, when Epstein was serving his jail term, his visitors included a longtime — and highly controversial — Clinton acquaintance, Arnold Prosperi.
+
+'In the final hours of the Clinton presidency, in January 2001, Prosperi was facing three years in prison after being convicted of tax fraud. Mr Clinton commuted his sentence to house arrest. 'Clinton, Prosperi and Epstein make an odd threesome on the face of it,' says a law enforcement source.'Was Prosperi visiting Epstein as some kind of intermediary for Bill?
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+'Maybe Bill wanted to know if Epstein knew anything that could embarrass him. Or did Bill commute Prosperi's sentence as some kind of favour for Epstein?' Virginia disclosed that Mr Clinton's vicepresident Al Gore and his wife, Tipper, were also guests of Epstein on his island.
+
+
+
+Guests: Virginia says she also met former Vice President Al Gore, pictured right with Mr Clinton
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+Last summer, the Gores abruptly announced that they were ending their supposedly fairytale marriage and, just weeks later, it emerged that Mr Gore — the famously sanctimonious global-warming disciple had been accused of trying to force sex on a woman with whom he had booked a therapeutic massage at an Oregon hotel. 'I had no clue that anything was up,' Virginia says. 'The Gores seemed like a beautiful couple when I met them. All I knew was that Mr Gore was a friend of Jeffrey's and Ghislaine's. Jeffrey didn't ask me to give him a massage. 'There might have been a couple of other girls there on that trip but I could never have imagined this guy would do anything wrong. I was planning to vote for him when I turned 18. I thought he was awesome.'Virginia said that yet another American liberal icon, President Obama's Middle East peace envoy Senator Mitchell, frequently visited Epstein's New York residence. Mr Mitchell, aged 77 — who previously led America's Northern Ireland peace initiative — 'was very close to Jeffrey,' Virginia recalled. 'He is very clean-cut. You wouldn't think of him being part of Jeffrey's crew.'
+
+
+
+
+
+Scandal: U.S. authorities want to interview Jeffrey Epstein (left) and may wish to quiz his friend, Prince Andrew
+
+Epstein's contacts book contains a work and a home telephone number for the senator. Another acquaintance was Israel defence secretary Ehud Barak, whose spokesman told The Mail on Sunday: 'Mr Barak did attend several small functions in Mr Epstein's home in New York that were usually attended by leading businessman, university presidents, Nobel Prize Laureates and prominent public figures.'Epstein's many Hollywood pals include Matt Groening, creator of The Simpsons. 'Jeffrey once had me give Matt a foot massage when he was flying on the jet with us,' Virginia says. 'He laughed and did drawings of Bart and Homer for my little brother and my dad.'l also met Naomi at a birthday party of hers on a yacht in the South of France. She is a friend of Ghislaine's but she was a real bitch to me.
+
+'She was very fake. She turned away from me when we were introduced by Ghislaine and Jeffrey.'Donald Trump was also a good friend of Jeffrey's. He didn't partake in sex with any of us but he flirted with me. He'd laugh and tell Jeffrey, "You've got the life." 'Palm Beach Police say Epstein seemed utterly unfazed by the allegations against him when they began their long and detailed investigation.
+
+
+
+'Jeffrey's crew: Middle East peace envoy Mitchell, right, pictured with President Barack Obama and U.S. Secretary of State Hilary Clinton, frequently visited Epsteints New York residence, Virginia also claims
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+But he also took his defence very seriously indeed. Epstein engaged his friend, the Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz — whose celebrity clients have included Mike Tyson, Patty Hearst, Claus von Bulow and O.J. Simpson — to run his legal defence. He also employed a firm of private investigators to
+
+investigate the backgrounds of the girls.Detectives painstakingly built a case which they believed showed that Epstein systematically paid teenage girls to recruit other teenage girls to his sex ring. However, as the investigation continued, they found that Epstein's team had already spoken to key witnesses, suggesting that the financier would reward those who helped him.ln addition, Epstein's defence team agreed to the unusual move of suggesting that the alleged victims sue Epstein in the civil courts. The result was a plea bargain in which Epstein admitted a single charge of soliciting an underage girl for prostitution — a deal which infuriated many police officers who worked on the case.More than 20 of Epstein's girls are said to have sued him for damages. At least 17 have settled out of court.Mr Clinton, Mr Gore and Mr Mitchell were all contacted about their friendship with Epstein but declined to comment.
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+## DailyTelegraph
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+## The Prince, a paedophile and the sex slave teen
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+Sharon Churcher and Chelsea , DailyTelegraph
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+February 28, 2011 6:ooam
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+A MOTHER of three living in Australia has revealed she was a teenage prostitute flown all over the world by a convicted sex offender to meet Prince Andrew.
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+The revelations have rocked Buckingham Palace as the woman, 27, confessed she was the minor identified in FBI and subsequent civil proceedings against wealthy financier and registered sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
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+A photo of Epstein and the of York, Prince Andrew, together last week compelled to come forward.
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+First employed as a 15-year-old as Epstein's masseuse, she alleges he groomed her to become a prostitute, paying her for sex with him and his influential friends.
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+While said there was never any sexual relationship between the Prince and herself, she claims that as a 17-year-old she met the Prince on three occasions - at one of which she was told to sit on his knee while he touched another woman's breast.
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+Pictures: Prince Andrew and
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+Latest from Mail on Sunday
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+told London newspaper The Mail on Sunday she was first flown to England on a private jet to meet the Prince in March 2001.
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+The 17-year-old was told to dance with the Prince and even posed for a photograph.
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+When she next met the Prince in the US, a 21-year-old woman who was working for Epstein was sitting on Prince Andrew's knee. said she was instructed to do the same while the Prince touched the older woman's breast as a "joke".
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+The FBI case revealed sexual allegations by at least 20 girls, however, Epstein struck a deal with prosecutors and served 13 months' jail for soliciting child prostitution.
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+stayed working as Epstein's "masseuse" until she met an Australian martial arts expert named Robert.
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+The pair married, causing an enraged Epstein to cut off the then 19-year-old.
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+said she was coming to grips with her exploitation. Three years ago she was contacted by the FBI who found photos and secret videos of her during their investigations.
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+The case forced to deal with her abuse and also reveal it to her husband.
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+Originally published as Prince Andrew and the sex slave teen
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+## Buckingham Palace issues second denial of underage sex claims against Prince Andrew
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+www.foxnews.com .-.urid/2015/01/04/bucktnynam-palace-issues-secouu-ueniai-uncieraye-sex-elaiins-agaiiist
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+June 6, 2012: In this file photo, Britain's Prince Andrew leaves Edward VII hospital in London after visiting his father Prince Philip. (AP)
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+Buckingham Palace officials have again denied claims made by a woman who alleged that she was forced to have sex while underage with Prince Andrew, of York.
+
+The second denial comes after two Sunday papers in Britain published interviews with the woman in which she claimed that she was forced by American financier Jeffrey Epstein to have sex with Prince Andrew at least three times between 1999 and 2002. The woman alleges that the encounters took place in London, New York, and on a Caribbean island owned by Epstein.
+
+A Palace spokesman has said that the allegations are "false and without any foundation? "It is emphatically denied that the of York had any form of sexual contact or relationship with (the woman)," the statement continued. The denials are unusual because officials typically do not comment on allegations against members of the family.
+
+The woman's claims are part of a lawsuit in a Florida court relating to how prosecutors handled a sexual abuse case against American financier Jeffrey Epstein. The woman, identified in court papers only as "Jane Doe No. 3," is one of two new accusers asking a West Palm Beach, Florida, judge to allow them to join the existing lawsuit against Epstein. The is not named as a defendant in the case, and no criminal charges or formal allegations have been made against him.
+
+The women have objected to how U.S. prosecutors handled Epstein's case, and want authorities to reconsider a plea deal that allowed Epstein to avoid much more serious federal charges and potentially longer prison time. Epstein served 13 months of an 18-month sentence after pleading guilty to a single charge of soliciting prostitution before being released in 2009.
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+It was not the first time Prince Andrew has faced media scrutiny over his friendship with Epstein. In July 2011 the stepped down from his role as a U.K. trade ambassador after he was photographed with Epstein in New York.
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+Prince Andrew is the second son and third child of Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip, of Edinburgh. He is fifth in line to the British throne behind his older brother Prince Charles, nephew Prince William, grandnephew Prince , and nephew Prince Harry.
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+The Sunday Mirror reported that Prince Andrew was on a skiing holiday in Switzerland, where he had been staying with his ex-wife Sarah and their daughters, Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie.
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+In a further bizarre twist to the story, prominent attorney Alan Dershowitz, who is also named in the court documents, told the BBC that he is planning legal action against the woman.
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+"If she believes she has been hurt by me and Prince Andrew, she should be suing us for damages," the former Harvard Law professor said. "I welcome that lawsuit. I welcome any opportunity that would put her under oath and require her to state under oath these false allegations."
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+The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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+# EXHIBIT J
+
+C edition.cnn.com
+
+#### Story highlights
+
+- Prince Andrew addresses crowd at Davos, backs palace statement
+- Court documents show attorneys sent a letter asking to interview him under oath
+- Buckingham Palace has strenuously denied claim that he had sex with
+
+"Firstly, I think I must, want, for the record to refer to the events that have taken place in the last three weeks. And I just wish to reiterate and to reaffirm the statements which have already been made on my behalf by Buckingham Palace," he said Thursday at the World Economic Forum.
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+Earlier this month, Buckingham Palace issued a statement which said, "It is emphatically denied that the of York [Andrew) had any form of sexual contact or relationship" with the woman. "Any claim to the contrary is false and without foundation."
+
+Andrew is a son of Queen Elizabeth II and a brother of Prince Charles, the next in line for the British throne.
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+The prince is accused of having sex with the woman when she was 17, details of which are is a sworn affidavit in Florida court dated January 19. The woman said that she and the Prince had sex "three times, including one orgy."
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+The court documents showed that her lawyers had sent a letter to Buckingham Palace asking to interview the prince under oath.
+
+In her sworn affidavit, the woman described Buckingham Palace's denial that sexual contact ever took place between the pair as "false and hurtful to me."
+
+#### Interview request
+
+The woman, identified by Buckingham Palace as first named the prince in a civil motion filed December 30 in the U.S. District Court in southern Florida in which she claims she was forced to have sex with several men. She is referred to as Jane Doe No. 3 in the legal filings.
+
+In the letter the woman's lawyers sent to Buckingham Palace, attorneys Paul Cassell and interview Prince Andrew "under oath regarding interactions that you had with Jane Doe No. 3 beginning in approximately early 2001. Jane Doe No. 3 was then 17 years old." asked to
+
+The letter includes a picture of the woman and Andrew which was taken around that time, they say. The lawyers also want to discuss subsequent interactions with their client in New York City later that year, the letter says.
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+"The interview could be conducted at a time and place of your choosing, and with your cooperation, I believe the interview could be completed in two hours or less," it says.
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+New court pleadings involving the relationship between Jane Doe No. 3 and the prince are being prepared, the letter adds, but their filing will be delayed if Andrew accepts the interview request by January 19.
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+The attorney for her legal team confirmed to CNN that Buckingham Palace had refused to accept the letter to Prince Andrew and that it was returned to them.
+
+"It is emphatically denied that the of York had any form of sexual contact or relationship with Any claim to the contrary is false and without foundation," the palace said early this month.
+
+#### Statement: I just called him 'Andy'
+
+Prince Andrew is named in the court filing in Florida as one of a number of prominent people who allegedly had sexual contact with teenage girls through self-made billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, who pleaded guilty some years ago in Florida to a state charge of prostitution solicitation.
+
+CNN was unable to reach Weinberg, Epstein's attorney, on Thursday.
+
+In her first sworn statement to the court, Jane Doe No. 3 gave more details of the alleged encounters.
+
+"Epstein made me have sex with Prince Andrew several times," she said, according to the court document.
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+"I had sex with him three times, including one orgy. I knew he was a member of the British Family, but I just called him 'Andy.'"
+
+One day when she was in London, she said, Epstein told her she would be meeting a "major prince."
+
+She continued: "Epstein told me 'to exceed' everything I had been taught. He emphasized that whatever Prince Andrew wanted, I was to make sure he got."
+
+### 'Sexual interests in feet'
+
+When the prince arrived, she was introduced, she said, and "we kissed formally, cheek to cheek." The group went for dinner and to a nightclub where she was served alcohol before returning to the townhouse. The picture referred to in the letter, of the prince with was taken there, she said.
+
+After the pair were left alone, she said, "We went to the bathroom and bedroom, which were just steps away from where the picture was taken. We engaged in sexual activities there. Afterwards, Andy left quickly with his security."
+
+She said she had reported back to Epstein on the encounter next day, telling him, "It went great."
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+"I told Epstein about Andy's sexual interests in feet. Epstein thought it was very funny. Epstein appeared to be collecting private information about Andy," she added.
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+also gave details of two more alleged occasions when the pair had sex. One was in Epstein's New York mansion in spring 2001, she said, when she was 17.
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+The third and last occasion was at an orgy involving nine girls on Epstein's private island in the U.S. Virgin Islands, her statement said.
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+"I was around 18 at the time. Epstein, Andy, approximately eight other young girls, and I had sex together."
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+The other girls, who appeared to be under 18, were "European looking and sounding" and didn't really speak English, she said. She said she "felt disgusted" after the orgy.
+
+## 'Voluntarily tell the truth'
+
+rejected the palace's denial of the allegations and said she hoped Andrew would agree to be interviewed under oath. "I did have sexual contact with him as I have described here -- under oath," she said.
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+and another woman are seeking to join two other women who are arguing in federal court for the U.S. government to reexamine its case involving Epstein.
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+The investment banker agreed to a state plea deal in 2007 and began serving an 18-month sentence in 2008, according to court documents. He pleaded guilty to solicitation of prostitution and procurement of a minor for prostitution.
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+CNN's Max contributed to this report.
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+- The [REDACTED] of York, 51, pictured with his arm around the bare midriff of [REDACTED]
+- Mother-of-three spent four years as millionaire's personal masseuse
+- Epstein trained her 'as a prostitute for him and his friends'
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+Serious doubts are being cast on Prince Andrew's suitability to represent Britain following revelations that he spent time with a girl of 17 while she was being sexually exploited by one of his billionaire friends.
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+The [REDACTED] of York, 51, was pictured with his arm around the bare midriff of [REDACTED] a vulnerable teenager hired to work as an 'erotic masseuse' and perform sexual favours for American businessmen Jeffrey Epstein and his friends.
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+Later, she claims, Epstein's friend Ghislaine Maxwell told her: 'You did well. He had fun.'
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+First meeting: Prince Andrew puts his arms around 17-year-old Virginia, centre
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+Andrew, who works for the Government as an ambassador for foreign trade, remains close to Epstein, 58, and stayed at his New York mension as recently as December - despite the financier admitting to child sex crimes in 2005 and being placed on the US sex offender register.
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+But the full extent of the prince's proximity to Epstein's offences was not known until May [REDACTED] broke her silence this weekend. In a civil writ against the businessman, she alleged that her duties included being 'sexually exploited by Epstein's adult male cousin institution resident'
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+Here, Tom Leonard reveals the estonishing background to the case.
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+The new Gatsby
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+Even by the rags-to-riches-to-rags mythology of New York, Jeffrey Epstein's ascent and subsequent humbling has been breathtaking.
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+The son of a ██████ department employee, he was plucked from absourity as a Manhattan private school maths teacher by a pupil's father who got him a job on Wall Street in 1976.
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+He ██████ rapidly at the investment bank Beer Steams but left in 1981 to set up on his own, managing the fortunes of clients with \$1billion or more.
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+Enigmatic and mysterious about his business activities, (some compare him to the fictional millionaire The Great Gatsby) he has only ever identified one of his clients—his mentor and main patron Leslie Wexner, whose business empire includes the upmerket Victoria's Secret lingerie chain.
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+How rich Epstein has become is a matter of conjecture but even his rich friends talk about his wealth with owe. His 52,000 sq ft, nine-floor, 40-room mansion on East 71st Street is supposedly the biggest private residence in Manhattan.
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+The pavement outside is heated from beneath to melt the snow.
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+He also owns a 7,500-score ranch in New Mexico, a mansion in Palm Beach, a house in Westminster, an apartment in Avenue Toch, Poris, and Little St. James, one of the US Virgin Islands.
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+His fleet of sironfit includes a Gulfstream jet, helicopter and a Roeing 727 on which he famously flew Bill Clinton and Kevin Specey on an Aids mission to Africa.
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+He is a noted patron of science and – say awed observers – has a brilliantly scute mind. One says: "You spend time in Jeffrey's company and you come away enriched, and not diminished."
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+Epstein's friends include not only Mr Clinton but Donald Trump, former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, top ██████ House economist Larry Summers and a host of Nobel Prize winning scientists.
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+The Maxwell Connection
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+Despite his wealth, Epstein was for years a rare sighting on Manhattan's money-obsessed social scene. That ended in 1992 after he met Ghislaine Maxwell, glamorous and well-connected daughter of the disgraced British tycoon Robert Maxwell.
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+Some believe she was attracted by his resemblance to her similarly dominant and fiamboyant father, but their romance reportedly ended because she wanted to marry and he wanted to see other women.
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+Bankrolled by Epstein, however, she established herself as a leading New York socielite and repaid the favour by putting Epstein in touch with her own well-hoeled friends in Britain.
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+She introduced him to Prince Andrew in early 2000, quite probably during a holiday at the Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, owned by Donald Trump.
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+Epstein joined them on four other breaks over the year, including a beach holiday in Phuket, Thailand, another holiday in Florida and two occasions in Britain.
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+The first was a June engagement at Windsor Castle to celebrate the Queen's birthday, the second a weekend house party at Sandringham six months later which the prince arranged to celebrate Miss Maxwell's 30th birthday.
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+In between, she took him to an infamous ██████ and pimps' party at a New York nightclub hosted by the former lingerie model Heidi Klum in a block latex S&M outfit.
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+A new life: Virgina, now a mother-of-three, in Australia
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+Troubled teenager: Virginia on the billionaire's Zero ranch in New Mexico in 2001
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+The prince was also at a Manhattan cocktail party thrown that year by Miss Mexwell which was filled with young Russian 'models' - some of the other guests were 'horrified', said an onlooker.
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+If the prince got the chance to party with a super-rich, never-married playboy who loved to surround himself with beautiful young women, the quid pro quo for Epstein was loss obvious.
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+American friends noticed his delight in introducing 'Andrew' and waiting for them to make the ██████ connection. There have even been unsubstantiated rumours - most probably started by Epstein and on which Buckingham Palace would not comment - that he advised the Queen on her finances.
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+██████ Gelf ██████ a Nobel Prize-winning physicist and recipient of Epstein largesse, said he was certainly given the impression by Epstein that she was a cilent.
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+Young girls in Palm Beach
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+Epstein's world began to implode in March 2005 when the mother of a 14-year-old girl went to police in Palm Beach accusing him of sexually assaulting her daughter.
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+The teenager told police she was taken to Epstein's mansion by an older girl and paid \$300 after stripping to her knickers and massaging the man while he abused himself.
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+When police searched the mansion they found hidden cameras, photos of naked young girls on the walls and genitalia-shaped soep in the bathroom.
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+At least 40 girls aged 13 to 17 have come forward with similar stories, some saying Epstein sexually assaulted them during the massage.
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+According to Brad ██████ a lawyer for some of the accusers, Epstein was molesting under-age girls every day he was in Palm Beach.
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+Police, who had wanted to pursue possible sex-trafficking charges, were furious and blamed Epstein's high-placed friends when he was allowed to strike a plea bargain under which he admitted two minor charges and was jailed for just 13 months.
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+"If it you or I did this, we'd be in prison for ific," said Mr ██████. However, the girls have been allowed to take civil action and Epstein has so far made 40 herty out-of-court settlements. Several girls said Ghislaine Maxwell had procured them.
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+Virginia's story
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+Of all the allegations made by anonymous girls against Epstein, one stood out as particularly earth-shattering.
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+Jane Doe 102, as she was known, claimed she had not only been abused by Epstein but had jetted around the world with him and was 'sexually exploited by [his] adult male peers, including royalty, politicians, academicians, businessmen and/or professional and personal acquaintances'.
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+She has now been identified as Virginia ██████ a blonde, blue-eyed mother of three now living in Australia.
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+At the age of 15, she was working as a changing room assistant at the Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach.
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+She said she was approached by Ghislaine Maxwell, who offered her the chance to work for a wealthy 'gentleman' who needed a travelling messouse.
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+Epstein paid her \$200 for what he called the 'erotic message' and told her to return the next day. She spent the next four years with Epstein, for three of which she was under Florida's age of consent - 18.
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+"Basically, I was training to be a prostitute for him and his friends who shared his interest in young girls," she says.
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+That stage of his alleged abuse started after two years when he asked her to fly to his Caribbean island and make a friend of his 'feel how you make me feel.'
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+She says she was given to men, aged from their 40s to their 60s, either on the island or on Epstein's New Mexico ranch.
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+**Pampering a prince**
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+Virginia says she met Prince Andrew three times. First, when she accompanied Epstein on a six-week trip to Europe and North Africa in 2001, they went to Ghislaine Maxwell's London house.
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+The following day, Andrew arrived and Miss Maxwell served tea and biscuits to the four of them.
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+Miss Maxwell invited the prince to guess Virginia's age and he correctly said '17', at which Miss Maxwell joked that Jeffrey would 'soon have to trade her in'.
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+After dinner and a trip to Tramp rightclub where she danced with the prince, they returned to Miss Maxwell's house. They all went upstairs and Virginia asked Epstein to take a picture of her with Andrew to 'show my mom'.
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+She adds: 'Ghislaine and Jeffrey left us after that, and later Andrew left.' The following morning, Maxwell told her: 'You did well, I'd had fun.'
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+On the fast log of the trip, Epstein paid her \$15,000 which she described as 'amazing money, more than I'd ever made on a trip with him before'.
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+She says she met Andrew a second time at Easter 2001, finding him sitting in a leather amchair at Epstein's Manhattan home.
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+Miss Maxwell had given him the prince a Spitting Image puppet of himself and another member of Epstein's entourage, [REDACTED] was sitting on his knee.
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+Miss [REDACTED], who was 21, herself described the incident to the Mail on Sunday three years ago. She said Miss Maxwell made Virginia sit on Andrew's other knee and then she 'put the puppet's hand on Virginia's breast, then Andrew put his hand on my breast'.
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+She added: 'It was a great joke. Everybody laughed.' The 'joke' earned Virginia \$400 from Epstein.
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+Her final encounter with the prince was on Epstein's Caribbean island, by which time she was 18.
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+There is no suggestion that there was ever any sexual contact between her and the prince or that Andrew know Epstein had paid her to have sexual contact with his friends.
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+By now, she says, Epstein was hinting she was 'too old' for him although he and Miss Maxwell once disgusted her by suggesting she had a child by him.
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+"They said I would have to sign a contract relinquishing rights to the child and consenting to Jeffrey having as many relationships as he liked," she says. "It was a snack in the face."
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+For her 19th birthday, Epstein flew her to Thailand to take a massage course. She met an Australian merital arts expert there and married him ten days later.
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+Epstein's plea borgain spared Virginia the ordeal of having to testify against him in court.
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+But she says she is 'espeiled' by the light sentence he received. 'To me it's saying, "We are above the law". Jeffrey is a monster.'
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+**An offender not a predator**
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+Friends insist Epstein is 'looking for a new beginning' but it has not started with any show of remorse from the notoriously arrogant tycoon.
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+Stopped by a reporter in New York last week, he insisted: 'I'm not a sexual predator, I'm an offender... it's the difference between a murderer and a person who steals a bagel.'
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+But while Leslie Wexner, his billionaire client, has dispensed with his services, other loss wealthy friends are more than happy still to fresternise with the convicted paedophile.
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+They include Prince Andrew, who spent five days staying at Epstein's Manhattan mansion in December.
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+He was guest of honour at a party thrown by Epstein and attended by Woody CBS News presenter Katie Courie and several other broadcasters, all of them light-heartedly pestering for invitations to Prince William's wedding.
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+Organizer: Christaine Maxwell looks on as Andrew put his arm around Virginia. Robert Maxwell's daughter invited her to work as Epstein's personal masscouse soon after her 15th birthday
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+Rosa Monciton, the jeweller and former confidante of Diana, Princess of Wales, has been a friend of Epstein since they met at a dinner party in London in the 1980s.
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+She said she was not surprised that Prince Andrew was still willing to associate with him.
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+"It shows he's a good friend," she says. Jeffrey is an extraordinarily loyal friend, and if somebody's loyal to you, you're loyal back. Whatever Jeffrey did, he's been punished for.
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+As for Christaine Maxwell, she is still close to Epstein although, according to a member of staff at her New York home yesterday, she had conveniently 'gone away until next week'.
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+Epstein himself is picking up the reins of a business without its main client (Mr Wexner). Friends confide that 'it is a difficult time for him'.
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+Brad [REDACTED] the lawyer representing some of his occusers in Florida, is sceptical over whether Epstein will be able to get over his hankering for the sexual ministrations of poor, easily-exploited young girls - whatever his friends say. 'To me, it's a tough habit to break,' he says.
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+## Jeffrey Epstein 'sex slave' was a 'moneyhungry sex kitten', ex friends claim
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+www.dailymail.co.uk..newsiarticie-29 /46 arJetirey-LpbLe.i.-bux- icivu-money-hungry-sex-kitten-enjoyed-role- 'nr-friends-claim.html
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+## Jeffrey Epstein 'sex slave' lived a lavish lifestyle and enjoyed her role as his 'travelling masseuse', former friends claim
+
+- claims she was recruited to Epstein's harem in 1999
+- Named Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz as men she had to 'service'
+- Her friends say there was no indication she was being held captive
+- Asked other women if they knew anyone 'slutty' to bring to Epstein
+- Would allegedly use cash she gained from sex to live a luxury lifestyle
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+By Wills For Dailymail.com
+
+Published: 12:49 EDT, 1 March 2015 I Updated: 07:09 EDT, 2 March 2015
+
+Shocking: ' friends claim she was a money-hungry sex kitten' who enjoyed her lavish lifestyle
+
+The woman who has accused Jeffery Epstein of keeping her as a sex slave was actually a money-hungry sex kitten' who enjoyed her lavish lifestyle, former friends have claimed.
+
+is currently in the midst of a lawsuit claiming she was recruited to join Epstein's harem of underage women in 1999, naming Prince Andrew and attomey Alan Dershowitz as two of the men she was made to 'service'.
+
+But those who used to be close to the 31-year-old say she relished her role as his 'travelling masseuse' and never acted like she was being held captive.
+
+Philip Guderyon, who used to date and would drive her to Epstein's Pal Beach, Florida, mansion told the New York Daily News: 'She was like the head b\*\*\*h. She'd have like nine or 10 girls she used to bring to him.
+
+'She never looked like she was being held captive,' he added. 'She and the other girls would walk out of there smiling, with their little bathing suits on, like they had just come from the beach.
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+'She'd have like \$4,000. And then I'd take them all to the mall and they'd get their nails done.'
+
+He also said while making thousands of dollars from the relationship, she would buy fancy clothes and drive around in Epstein's Mercedes.
+
+Crystal , whose brother dated in the early 2000s, told the Daily News would ask if she knew anyone 'slutty' so they could be sent to Epstein.
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+In 2001 she was sharing a Palm Beach apartment with Anthony Valladares. He told the Daily News that she bragged about going to the 'millionaire's house' for a day or two, before retuming with cash.
+
+M' lawyers says the latest allegations do not contend the fact she was used for underage sex.
+
+Attorney Sigrid McCawleysaid : 'To say that our client acquiesced in this abuse, or that the abuse was OK because she was paid for it — leaves out the fact that this is why we have laws in the United States to protect minor children who are groomed and sexually trafficked by adults.'
+
+Epstein served 13 months in a Florida prison after pleading guilty in 2008 to soliciting a minor for prostitution.
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+Allegations: The 31-year-old is currently in the midst of a lawsuit claiming she was recruited to join Epstein's harem of underage women in 1999, naming Prince Andrew and attorney Alan Dershowitz as two of the men she was made to 'service'
+
+The scandal resurfaced in January when named Prince Andrew in a lawsuit, accusing him of using her for underage sex.
+
+According to court records connected with M' current lawsuit, she maintains that she was recruited to join Epstein's harem in 1999 by his friend, the socialite Ghislaine Maxwell.
+
+She says during the three years she worked for Epstein, she was made to entertain his friends and named Prince Andrew and Dershowitz as two men she had sex with.
+
+Both men have denied having sex with and Dershowitz is trying to get his name removed from the suit, claiming made the entire story up.
+
+Read more:
+
+- www.nydailynews....
+
+## Share or comment on this article
+
+Sorry we are not currently accepting comments on this article.
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+# EXHIBIT R
+
+FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Richard A. Simpson, RSimpson@wileyrein.com
+
+April 8, 2016
+
+### Lawyers Acknowledge Mistake In Filing Sexual Misconduct Charges Against Professor Dershowitz
+
+Professor Alan M. Dershowitz released the following statement regarding resolution of the case styled et al. v. Alan M. Dershowitz, Case No. CACE 15-000072 (Cir. Ct., Broward Cnty., Fla.).
+
+### STATEMENT OF ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ
+
+I am pleased that the litigation has concluded and I am gratified by the Joint Statement issued today by Jeffrey E. Streitfeld on behalf of the parties, in which and Cassell acknowledge that it was a mistake to have filed sexual misconduct accusations against Dershowitz and the sexual misconduct accusations made in all public filings (including all exhibits) are hereby withdrawn." Mr. Streitfeld's announcement and the Joint Statement are copied below.
+
+# ANNOUNCEMENT BY JEFFREY E. STREITFELD, FLORIDA SUPREME COURT CERTIFIED CIRCUIT CIVIL MEDIATOR (Streitfeldlaw.com)
+
+It is my pleasure to report that J. Paul G. Cassell, and Alan M. Dershowitz have resolved their disputes and have agreed to settle the claims raised in an action pending in the Broward County, Florida Circuit Court. Since being appointed by Circuit Court Judge IV last fall, it has been a privilege to act as the mediator and assist the parties and their counsel toward this agreed resolution. I want to extend my appreciation for the professionalism exhibited by the parties and their counsel with whom I worked directly: Jack Scarola, Rick Simpson, Tom Scott, and Ken Sweder. As part of their agreement, the parties have issued the attached Joint Statement.
+
+# JOINT STATEMENT OF BRADS PAUL CASSELL AND ALAN DERSHOWITZ REGARDING SETTLEMENT
+
+Brad Paul Cassell and Alan Dershowitz have today settled their pending defamation claims in which and Cassell sued Dershowitz and Dershowitz counterclaimed against and Cassell. The case was about Dershowitz's public claims that and Cassell, as the attorneys for had failed to perform the necessary due diligence before filing the allegations of their client, not whether the acts of alleged misconduct in fact occurred. and Cassell vigorously denied the contention that they had acted improperly and asserted that it defamed them. Dershowitz countersued and Cassell, alleging they had falsely accused him of sexual contact with —a claim he vigorously denied and that Dershowitz asserted defamed him. and Cassell maintain that they filed their client's allegations in good faith and performed the necessary due diligence to do so, and have produced documents detailing those efforts. Dershowitz completely denies any such misconduct, while not disputing statements that the underlying alleged misconduct may have occurred with someone else. Dershowitz has produced travel and other records for the relevant times which he relies on to establish that he could not have been present when the alleged
+
+misconduct occurred. He has also produced other evidence that he relies upon to refute the credibility of the allegations against him.
+
+The parties believe it is time to take advantage of the new information that has come to light on both sides during the litigation and put these matters behind them.
+
+Given the events that have transpired since the filing of the documents in the federal court and in this action in which Dershowitz was accused of sexual misconduct, including the court order striking the allegations in the federal court filings, and the records and other documents produced by the parties, and Cassell acknowledge that it was a mistake to have filed sexual misconduct accusations against Dershowitz; and the sexual misconduct accusations made in all public filings (including all exhibits) are hereby withdrawn. Dershowitz also withdraws his accusations that and Cassell acted unethically.
+
+Neither Cassell, nor Dershowitz have any intention of repeating the allegations against one another.
+
+# # # #
+
+Editor's note: Wiley Rein UP represents Alan M. Dershowitz in this matter.
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+# EXHIBIT S
+
+#### UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA
+
+CASE NO.:08-CV-80736-KAM
+
+JANE DOE I and JANE DOE 2,
+
+Petitioners,
+
+vs.
+
+UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
+
+Respondent.
+
+#### ORDER DENYING PETITIONERS' MOTION TO JOIN UNDER RULE 21 AND MOTION TO AMEND UNDER RULE 15
+
+This cause is before the Court on Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4's Corrected Motion Pursuant to Rule 21 for Joinder in Action ("Rule 21 Motion") (DE 280), and Jane Doe 1 and Jane Doe 2's Protective Motion Pursuant to Rule 15 to Amend Their Pleadings to Conform to Existing Evidence and to Add Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4 as Petitioners ("Rule 15 Motion") (DE 311). Both motions are ripe for review. For the following reasons, the Court concludes that they should be denied.
+
+### I. Background
+
+This is an action by two unnamed petitioners, Jane Doe 1 and Jane Doe 2, seeking to prosecute a claim under the Crime Victims' Rights Act (CVRA), 18 U.S.C. § 3771. (DE 1). Generally, they allege that the respondent Government violated their rights under the CVRA by failing to consult with them before negotiating a non-prosecution agreement with Jeffrey Epstein, who subjected them to various sexual crimes while they were minors. (Id.). Petitioners initiated this action in July 2008. (K.).
+
+On December 30, 2014, two other unnamed victims, Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4, moved to join as petitioners in this action pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 21. (DE 280). Petitioners (Jane Doe I and Jane Doe 2) support the Rule 21 Motion. (K. at I I). Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4 argue that they "have suffered the same violations of their rights under the [CVRA] as the" Petitioners, and they "desire to join in this action to vindicate their rights as well." (Id. at I). The Government vehemently opposes joinder under Rule 21. (DE 290). The Government argues that Rule 15 is the proper procedural device for adding parties to an action, not Rule 21. (a. at 1).
+
+"[O]ta of an abundance of caution," Petitioners filed a motion to amend their petition under Rule 15, conforming the petition to the evidence and adding Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4 as petitioners. (DE 311 at 2). The Government opposes the Rule 15 Motion as well. (DE 314). Among other things, the Government argues that amending the petition to include Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4 should be denied because of their undue delay in seeking to join the proceedings, and the undue prejudice that amendment will cause. (kb.
+
+After considering the parties' submissions and the proposed amended petition, the Court finds that justice does not require amendment in this instance and exercises its discretion to deny the amendment.
+
+## II. Discussion
+
+"The decision whether to grant leave to amend a complaint is within the sole discretion of the district court." Laurie v. Ala. Ct. Crim. Apps., 256 F.3d 1266, 1274 (11th Cir. 2001). "The court should freely give leave when justice so requires." Fed. R. Civ. P. 15(a)(2). Justice does not require amendment in several instances, "includ[ing] undue delay, bad faith, dilatory motive
+
+on the pan of the movant, . undue prejudice to the opposing party by virtue of allowance of the amendment, [and] futility of amendment?" Laurie, 256 F.3d at 1274 (quoting Foman v. 371 U.S. 178, 182 (1962)). In addition to considering the effect of amendment on the parties, the court must consider "the importance of the amendment on the proper determination of the merits of a dispute." 6 M, Fed. Prac. & Fed. P. § 1488, p. 814 (3d ed. 2010). Justice does not require amendment where the addition of parties with duplicative claims will not materially advance the resolution of the litigation on the merits. See Herring v. Delta Air Lines, Inc., 894 F.2d 1020, 1024 (9th Cir. 1989).
+
+# A. Rule 21 Motion
+
+Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4's first attempt to join in this proceeding was brought under Rule 21. (DE 280). "If parties seek to add a party under Rule 21, courts generally use the standard of Rule 15, governing amendments to pleadings, to determine whether to allow the addition." 12 & Fed. Prac. & Fed. P., p. 432 (3d ed. 2013); see also Galustian v. Peter, 591 F.3d 724, 729-30 (4th Cir. 2010) (collecting cases and noting that Rule 15(a) applies to amendments seeking to add parties); v. U.S. West, Inc., 3 F.3d 1357, 1365 (10th Cir. 1993) ("A motion to add a party is governed by Fed. R. Civ. P. 15(a) ....").
+
+Rule 21, "Misjoinder and Non-joinder of Parties," provides the court with a tool for correcting the "misjoinder" of parties that would otherwise result in dismissal. Fed. R. Civ. P. 21. Insofar as Rule 21 "relates to the addition of parties, it is intended to permit the bringing in of a person, who through inadvertence, mistake or for some other reason, had not been made a party and whose presence as a party is later found necessary or desirable." United States v. Com. Bank of N. Am., 31 F.R.D. 133, 135 (S.D.N.Y. 1962) (internal quotation marks omitted).
+
+In their Rule 21 Motion, Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4 do not claim that they were omitted from this proceeding due to any "inadvertence" or "mistake" by Petitioners; rather, they seek to join this proceeding as parties that could have been permissively joined in the original petition under Rule 20 ("Permissive Joinder of Parties"). As courts generally use the standards of Rule 15 to evaluate such circumstances, the Court will consider the joinder issue as presented in the Rule 15 Motion.' The Court will consider the arguments presented in the Rule 21 Motion as if they are set forth in the Rule 15 Motion as well. Because the arguments are presented in the Rule 15 Motion (and because the Court is denying the Rule 15 Motion on its merits, as discussed below), the Rule 21 Motion will be denied.
+
+The Court also concludes that portions of the Rule 21 Motion—and related filings—should be stricken from the record. Pending for this Court's consideration is a Motion for Limited Intervention filed by Alan M. Dershowitz, who seeks to intervene to "strike the outrageous and impertinent allegations made against him and [to) request() a show cause order to the attorneys that have made them." (DE 282 at 1). The Court has considered Mr. Dershowitz's arguments, but it finds that his intervention is unnecessary as Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 12(t) empowers the Court "on its own" to "strike from a pleading an insufficient defense or any redundant, immaterial, impertinent, or scandalous matter." Fed. R. Civ. P. 12(0.
+
+Petitioners' Rule 21 Motion consists of relatively little argumentation regarding why the Court should permit them to join in this action: they argue that (1) they were sexually abused by
+
+The Court notes that, regardless of which motion it considers, the same standard governs the addition of parties under Rule 21 and Rule 15. See Goston v. Potter, No. 08-cv-478 FJS ATB, 2010 WL 4774238, at \*5 (N.D.N.Y. 2010) (citing Bridgeport Music, Inc. v. Universal Music Grp., Inc., 248 F.R.D. 408, 412 (S.D.N.Y. 2008)).
+
+Jeffrey Epstein, and (2) the Government violated their CVRA rights by concealing the nonprosecution agreement with them. (DE 280 at 3; see id. at 7-8). However, the bulk of the Rule 21 Motion consists of copious factual details that Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4 "would prove" "[i]f allowed to join this action." (a. at 3, 7). Specifically, Jane Doe 3 proffers that she could prove the circumstances under which a non-party introduced her to Mr. Epstein, and how Mr. Epstein sexually trafficked her to several high-profile non-party individuals, "including numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known Prime Minister, and other world leaders." (a. at 3-6). She names several individuals, and she offers details about the type of sex acts performed and where they took place. id. at 5).2
+
+At this juncture in the proceedings, these lurid details are unnecessary to the determination of whether Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4 should be permitted to join Petitioners' claim that the Government violated their rights under the CVRA. The factual details regarding with whom and where the Jane Does engaged in sexual activities are immaterial and impertinent to this central claim (i.e., that they were known victims of Mr. Epstein and the Government owed them CVRA duties), especially considering that these details involve non-parties who are not related to the respondent Government. These unnecessary details shall be stricken.
+
+The original Rule 21 Motion (DE 279) shall be stricken in its entirety, as it is wholly superseded by the "corrected" version of the Rule 21 Motion (DE 280). From the corrected Rule 21 Motion, the Court shall strike all factual details regarding Jane Doe 3 between the following sentences: "The Government then concealed from Jane Doe #3 the existence of its NPA from
+
+2 Jane Doe 4's proffer is limited to sexual acts between Mr. Epstein and herself. DE 280 at 7-8).
+
+Jane Doe #3, in violation of her rights under the CVRA" (a. at 3); and "The Government was well aware of Jane Doe #3 when it was negotiating the NPA, as it listed her as a victim in the attachment to the NPA" (id. at 6). As none of Jane Doe 4's factual details relate to non-parties, the Court finds it unnecessary to strike the portion of the Rule 21 Motion related to her circumstances. Regarding the Declaration in support of Petitioners' response to Mr. Dershowitz's motion to intervene (DE 291-1), the Court shall strike paragraphs 4, 5, 7, 11, 13, 15, 19 through 53, and 59, as they contain impertinent details regarding non-parties. Regarding the Declaration of Jane Doe 3 in support of the Rule 21 Motion (DE 310-1), the Court shall strike paragraphs 7 through 12, 16, 39, and 49, as they contain impertinent details regarding nonparties. Jane Doe 3 is free to reassert these factual details through proper evidentiary proof, should Petitioners demonstrate a good faith basis for believing that such details arc pertinent to a matter presented for the Court's consideration.
+
+As mentioned, Mr. Dershowitz moves to intervene "for the limited purposes of moving to strike the outrageous and impertinent allegations made against him and requesting a show cause order to the attorneys that have made them." (DE 282 at I). As the Court has taken it upon itself to strike the impertinent factual details from the Rule 21 Motion and related filings, the Court concludes that Mr. Derschowitz's intervention in this case is unnecessary. Accordingly, his motion to intervene will be denied as moot.' Regarding whether a show cause order should
+
+This also moots Mr. Dershowitz's Motion for Leave to File Supplemental Reply in Support of Motion for Limited Intervention. (DE 317). Denying Mr. Dershowitz's motion to intervene also renders moot Petitioners' motion (DE 292) to file a sealed document supporting its response to Mr. Dershowitz's motion. It will accordingly be denied as moot, and DE 293 (the sealed response) will be stricken from the record.
+
+issue, the Court finds that its action of striking the lurid details from Petitioners' submissions is sanction enough. However, the Court cautions that all counsel are subject to Rule 11's mandate that all submissions be presented for a proper purpose and factual contentions have evidentiary support, Fed. R. Civ. P. 11(b)(1) and (3), and that the Court may, on its own, strike from any pleading "any redundant, immaterial, impertinent, or scandalous matter," Fed. R. Civ. P. 12(0.
+
+# B. Rule 15 Motion
+
+Between their two motions (the Rule 21 Motion and Rule 15 Motion), Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4 assert that "they desire to join in this action to vindicate their rights [under the CVRA] as well." (DE 280 at 1). Although Petitioners already seek the invalidation of Mr. Epstein's non-prosecution agreement on behalf of all "other similarly-situated victims" (DE 189 at 1; DE 311 at 2, 12, 15, 18-19), Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4 argue that they should be fellow travelers in this pursuit, lest they "be forced to file a separate suit raising their claims" resulting in "duplicative litigation" (DE 280 at 11). The Court fords that justice does not require adding new parties this late in the proceedings who will raise claims that are admittedly "duplicative" of the claims already presented by Petitioners.
+
+The Does' submissions demonstrate that it is entirely unnecessary for Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4 to proceed as parties in this action, rather than as fact witnesses available to offer relevant, admissible, and non-cumulative testimony. (See, e.g., DE 280 at 2 (Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4 "are in many respects similarly situated to the current victims"), 9 ("The new victims will establish at trial that the Government violated their CVRA rights in the same way as it violated the rights of the other victims."), 10 (Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4 "will simply join in motions that the current victims were going to file in any event."), 11 (litigating Jane Doe 3 and
+
+Jane Doe 4's claims would be "duplicative"); DE 298 at I n.1 ("As promised . . . Jane Doe No. 3 and Jane Doe No. 4 do not seek to expand the number of pleadings filed in this case. If allowed to join this action, they would simply support the pleadings already being filed by Jane Doe No. 1 and Jane Doe No. 2."); DE 311 at 5 n.3 ("[A]ll four victims (represented by the same legal counsel) intend to coordinate efforts and avoid duplicative pleadings."), 15 (Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4 "challenge the same secret agreement—i.e., the NPA that the Government executed with Epstein and then concealed from the victims. This is made clear by the proposed amendment itself, in which all four victims simply allege the same general facts.")). As the Does argue at length in their Rule 15 Motion, Jane Doe l's original petition "specifically allege[s] that the Government was violating not only her rights but the rights of other similarly-situated victims." (DE 311 at 2). The Court fails to see why the addition of "other similarly-situated victims" is now necessary to "vindicate their rights as well." (DE 280 at 1).
+
+Of course, Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4 can participate in this litigated effort to vindicate the rights of similarly situated victims—there is no requirement that the evidentiary proof submitted in this case come only from the named parties. Petitioners point out as much, noting that, regardless of whether this Court grants the Rule 15 Motion, "they will call Jane Doe No. 3 as a witness at any trial." (DE 311 at 17 n.7). The necessary "participation" of Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4 in this case can be satisfied by offering their properly supported—and relevant, admissible, and non-cumulative—testimony as needed, whether through testimony at trial (m DE 280 at 9) or affidavits submitted to support the relevancy of discovery requests° (m
+
+The non-party Jane Does clearly understand how to submit affidavits. (See DEs 291-1, 310-1).
+
+id. at 10). Petitioners do not contend that Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4's "participation in this case" can only be achieved by listing them as parties.
+
+As it stands under the original petition, the merits of this case will be decided based on a determination of whether the Government violated the rights of Jane Doe 1, Jane Doe 2, and all "other similarly situated victims" under the CVRA. Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4 may offer relevant, admissible, and non-cumulative evidence that advances that determination, but their participation as listed parties is not necessary in that regard. See Herring, 894 F.2d at 1024 (District court did not abuse its discretion by denying amendment where "addition of more plaintiffs . . . would not have affected the issues underlying the grant of summary judgment."); cf Arthur v. Stem, 2008 WL 2620116, at \*7 (S.D. Tex. 2008) (Under Rule 15, "courts have held that leave to amend to assert a claim already at issue in [another lawsuit] should not be granted if the same parties are involved, the same substantive claim is raised, and the same relief is sought.").5 And, as to Jane Doe 4 at least, adding her as a party raises unnecessary questions about whether she is a proper party to this action!'
+
+Petitioners also admit that amending the petition to conform to the evidence—by including references to the non-prosecution agreement itself—is "unnecessary" as the "existing petition is broad enough to cover the developing evidence in this case." (DE 311). The Court
+
+5 The Court expresses no opinion at this time whether any of the attestations made by Jane Doe 3 and Jane Doe 4 in support of their motion will be relevant, admissible and noncumulative.
+
+6 The Government contends that Jane Doe 4 is not a true "victim" in this case because she was not known at the time the Government negotiated the non-prosecution agreement, and accordingly she was not entitled to notification rights under the CVRA. DE 290 at 10). Any "duplicative" litigation filed by Jane Doe 4 would necessarily raise the issue of whether she has standing under the CVRA under these circumstances.
+
+agrees, and it concludes that justice does not require amending the petition this late in the proceedings.
+
+### III. Conclusion
+
+Accordingly, it is hereby ORDERED AND ADJUDGED as follows: the Rule 21 Motion (DE 280) is DENIED; the Rule 15 Motion (DE 311) is DENIED; Intervenor Dershowitz's Motion for Limited Intervention (DE 282) and Motion for Leave to File Supplemental Reply in Support of Motion for Limited Intervention (DE 317) are DENIED AS MOOT; Petitioners' Motion to Seal (DE 292) is DENIED AS MOOT; the following materials are hereby
+
+STRICKEN from the record:
+
+- DE 279, in its entirety.
+- DE 280, all sentences between the following sentences: "The Government then concealed from Jane Doe #3 the existence of its NPA from Jane Doe #3, in violation of her rights under the CVRA" (DE 280 at 3); and "The Government was well aware of Jane Doe #3 when it was negotiating the NPA, as it listed her as a victim in the attachment to the NPA" (DE 280 at 6).
+- DE 291-1, paragraphs 4, 5, 7, 11, 13, 15, 19 through 53, and 59. DE 310-1, paragraphs 7 through 12, 16, 39, and 49. DE 293, in its entirety.
+
+DONE AND ORDERED in at West Palm Beach, Palm Beach County,
+
+Florida, this 6th day of April, 2015.
+
+KENNETH A. MARRA United States District Judge
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+## UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
+
+X Plaintiff, v. GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendant. X
+
+15-cv-07433-RWS
+
+## Declaration of Laura A. Menninger in Support of Response in Opposition to Plaintiff's Omnibus Motion in Limine
+
+I, Laura A. Menninger, declare as follows:
+
+1. I am an attorney at law duly licensed in the State of New York and admitted to practice in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. I am a member of the law firm Haddon, & P.C., counsel of record for Defendant Ghislaine Maxwell in this action. I respectfully submit this Declaration in support of Ms. Maxwell's Response in Opposition to Plaintiff's Omnibus Motion in Limine.
+
+2. Attached as Exhibit A is a true and correct copy of a statement on behalf of Ms. Maxwell dated January 2, 2015.
+
+3. Attached as Exhibit B is a true and correct copy of an article by Sharon Churcher titled "Teenage girl recruited by paedophile Jeffrey Epstein reveals how she twice met Bill Clinton," DAILY MAIL, dated March 5, 2011.
+
+4. Attached as Exhibit C (filed under seal) are true and correct copies of [REDACTED]
+
+[REDACTED]
+
+[REDACTED]
+
+5. Attached as Exhibit D (filed under seal) are true and correct copies of [REDACTED]
+
+[REDACTED]
+
+[REDACTED]
+
+6. Attached as Exhibit E (filed under seal) are true and correct copies of [REDACTED]
+
+[REDACTED]
+
+[REDACTED]
+
+7. Attached as Exhibit F (filed under seal) is a true and correct copy of [REDACTED]
+
+[REDACTED]
+
+8. Attached as Exhibit G is a true and correct copy of an article by Sharon Churcher titled “The Prince, a paedophile and the sex slave teen” The Daily Telegraph, dated February 28, 2011.
+
+9. Attached as Exhibit H (filed under seal) is a true and correct copy of [REDACTED]
+
+[REDACTED]
+
+[REDACTED]
+
+10. Attached as Exhibit I is a true and correct copy of an article titled “Buckingham Palace issues second denial of underage sex claims against Prince Andrew,” Fox News.com.
+
+11. Attached as Exhibit J is a true and correct copy of an article titled “Prince Andrew denies sex abuse claims” CNN.com.
+
+12. Attached as Exhibit K is a true and correct copy of an article by Tom Leonard titled "Prince Andrew risks ambassador job as underage sex case girl reveals meeting him" DAILY MAIL, dated March 2, 2011.
+
+13. Attached as Exhibit Lisa true and correct copy of an article by Wills titled "Jeffrey Epstein 'sex slave' was a `money-hungry sex kitten', ex friends claim" DAILY MAIL, dated March 1, 2015.
+
+14. Attached as Exhibit M (filed under seal) are true and correct copies of
+
+15. Attached as Exhibit N (filed under seal) is a true and correct copy of
+
+16. Attached as Exhibit O (filed under seal) is a true and correct copy of
+
+17. Attached as Exhibit P (filed under seal) are true and correct copies
+
+18. Attached as Exhibit Q (filed under seal) is a true and correct copy of
+
+19. Attached as Exhibit R is a true and correct copy of a press release in the et. al v. Dershowitz matter, dated April 8, 2016, stamped GM\_00523-4.
+
+20. Attached as Exhibit S is a true and correct copy of an Order Denying Motion to Join Under Rule 21, Doe v. United States, No. 08-80736-Civ-Marra (S.D. Fla. Apr. 7, 2016).
+
+I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
+
+Executed on March 17, 2017.
+
+s/ Laura A. Menninger
+
+Laura A. Menninger
+
+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
+
+I certify that on March 17, 2017, I electronically served this Declaration of Laura A. Menninger in Support of Defendant's Response in Opposition to Plaintiff's Omnibus Motion in Limine via ECF on the following:
+
+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
+
+J. JAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Ave., Ste. 2 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 brad@pathtojustice.com
+
+Paul G. Cassell 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112 cassellp@law.utah.edu
+
+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
+
+Is/ Nicole Nicole
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+### UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
+
+X
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+Plaintiff. v. GHISLAINE MAXWELL. Defendant.
+
+X
+
+15-cv-07433-RWS
+
+# Defendant's Motion to Strike Plaintiff's "Supplemental .A Mho rits "
+
+Laura A. Menninger Jeffrey S. Pagliuca Ty Gee HADDON, AND P.C. 150 East 10' Avenue Denver, CO 80203 303.831.7364
+
+Defendant Ghislaine Maxwell, through counsel, moves to strike Plaintiff's "Supplemental Authority" (Doc.711).
+
+## INTRODUCTION
+
+Plaintiff has formed a habit of filing a motion containing bare or otherwise insufficient facts, waiting for our response (or oral argument) that points out the motion should be denied because of bare or insufficient facts, and then filing a reply or other paper that introduces new facts we did not have an opportunity to address in the response.
+
+At the summary-judgment hearing on February 16, 2017, the Court characterized the approximately "five feet of paper" filed as embodying the "chaos" of this lawsuit. We submit that plaintiff's habit of introducing new facts in replies and at oral argument—facts that should have been provided in her original motion—adds to the chaos. It does so by multiplying exponentially the filings needed to resolve a litigation issue. Moreover, plaintiff's habit violates the settled rules and practice—motion, response, and reply—for resolving litigation issues.
+
+Plaintiff's "supplemental authority" is another example of plaintiff's disregard of the rules and practice of this Court.
+
+## ARGUMENT
+
+The "Supplemental Authority" is improper and should be stricken.
+
+On March 9, 2017, the Court held a hearing on plaintiff's "Motion to Present Testimony from Jeffrey Epstein for Purposes of Obtaining an Adverse Inference" (Doc.608). During the course of oral argument at the hearing, plaintiff's counsel for the first time in the "adverse inference" proceedings referenced a "\$17,000,000 townhouse" for the non-sequitur argument that it was evidence "[s]he's a coconspirator" with Mr. Epstein. Menninger Decl., Ex.A, Tr. 36.
+
+The Court justifiably expressed surprise that plaintiff's counsel was discussing a \$17 million townhouse as evidence of a conspiracy, remarking: "You just said something that I had not heard before, that you have reason to believe Epstein was involved in the townhouse? . . I hear you say that, but I haven't seen anything to support it." Id., Ex.A, Tr.37.
+
+In response, plaintiff's counsel conceded he did not know whether there was any discussion of the townhouse because—notwithstanding the Court's scheduling of the hearing for March 9—"[i]t's been a while since I've looked at the briefing." Id., Ex.A, Tr.38. He then flatly admitted he could not remember whether the townhouse was ever referenced. Id., Ex.A, Tr.38.
+
+In fact, the townhouse never had been referenced in the adverse-inference briefing, let alone as evidence of any conspiracy. Consistent with her motion-practice habit, plaintiff improperly tries to fix her failure to cite the townhouse "evidence" in a purported "supplemental authority."
+
+A supplemental authority by definition is a legal "authority" in support of an argument. Cf. United States v. Ashford, 718 F.3d 377, 381 (4th Cir. 2013) ("We do not countenance a litigant's use of [Fed. R. App. P.] 28(j) as a means to advance new arguments couched as supplemental authorities. Indeed, considering an argument advanced for the first time in a Rule 28(j) filing is not only unfair to the appellant, it also creates the risk of an improvident or illadvised opinion being issued on an unbriefed issue.") (brackets and internal quotations omitted).
+
+Plaintiff's "supplemental authority" is not a legal authority. It is the assertion of an alleged fact—not previously asserted—in support of an argument that was in want of factual support. A party should not be permitted to sneak evidence into the record on a fully briefed and argued motion through the vehicle of a "supplemental authority," which such evidence is not. It is unfair to the opponent and creates the risk of an improvident or ill-advised decision being issued on facts not subject to the adversary process.
+
+Setting aside the unfairness of sneaking new facts through a "supplemental authority," the "authority" plaintiff seeks to introduce without rebuttal is a news article containing inadmissible hearsay statements made without an evidentiary foundation. It would have been improper to submit the news article with the motion, let alone after the issue has been briefed and argued.
+
+## CONCLUSION
+
+The Court should strike the "supplemental authority."
+
+Dated: March 17, 2017
+
+Respectfully submitted,
+
+/s/ Laura A. Menninger
+
+Laura A. Menninger (LM-1374)
+
+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca (pro hac vice)
+
+Ty Gee (pro hac vice)
+
+HADDON, Ii= ANDS P.C.
+
+150 East 10 Avenue
+
+Denver, CO 80203
+
+Phone: 303.831.7364
+
+Fax: 303.832.2628
+
+Imenninger@hmflaw.com
+
+Attorneys for Ghislaine Maxwell
+
+#### CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
+
+I certify that on March 17, 2017, I electronically served this Defendant's Motion to Strike Plaintiff's "Supplemental Authority" via ECF on the following:
+
+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
+
+JAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Ave., Ste. 2 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 brad@pathtojustice.com
+
+Paul G. Cassell 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112 cassellp@law.utah.edu
+
+J. Stanley Poltinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
+
+Is/ Nicole Nicole
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+## EXHIBIT A
+
+1 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT 1 SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK 2
+
+2 3 3
+
+4 Plaintiff,
+
+4
+
+5 v. 15 CV 7433 (RWS)
+
+5
+
+6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL, et al.,
+
+6
+
+7 Defendants.
+
+7 8
+
+8 New York, N.Y. 9 March 9, 2017 9 12:20 p.m.
+
+10
+
+10 Before:
+
+11
+
+11 HON. ROBERT W. SWEET,
+
+12
+
+12 District Judge
+
+13
+
+13 APPEARANCES
+
+14
+
+14 STANLEY POTTINGER PLLC 15 Attorneys for Plaintiff 15 BY: STANLEY POTTINGER
+
+16
+
+16 S.J. QUINNEY COLLEGE OF LAW AT THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH 17 Attorneys for Plaintiff 17 BY: PAUL G. CASSELL
+
+18
+
+18 HADDON AND 19 Attorneys for Defendant Ghislaine Maxwell
+
+19 BY: LAURA A. MENNINGER 20 JEFFREY S. PAGLIUCA
+
+1 THE COURT: . I was thinking the two 2 plaintiff's motions with respect to Epstein and Barden and then 3 the application and the application. That's 4 what I was thinking, but I'll be guided by you all.
+
+5 How does that sound to you, all?
+
+6 MR. CASSELL: That sounds good, your Honor, although 7 we had one small request on behalf of Mr. Pottinger here. He 8 is handling the one motion. If that could be handled 9 first, he could be returned to his office more rapidly.
+
+10 THE COURT: Why should we be nice to him?
+
+11 MR. POTTINGER: Other people have said that before, 12 your Honor. It is entirely, of course, up to the Court. We'll 13 accommodate you any way you want. Ms. Menninger has been kind 14 enough to say -- I think I will speak for her to say she's 15 indifferent to going first or second with this particular 16 motion. It's entirely up to you.
+
+17 THE COURT: Sure.
+
+18 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I did have one small 19 concern about the motion that might foreshorten the 20 hearing on this topic. As Your Honor is aware, at the time 21 plaintiff filed a motion for a protective order about 22 discovery, I had been in the process of trying to 23 confer with them about some discovery issues.
+
+24 THE COURT: I think we can cut through that pretty 25 easy by simply saying that I believe that as for any of the SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
+
+(212) 805-0300
+
+1 THE COURT: I understand. 2 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I actually believe that 3 these emails were some that your Honor had reviewed because we 4 had asserted a joint defense agreement privilege, and your 5 Honor reviewed these emails, and they were produced last April, 6 the ones that Mr. Cassell is talking about right now.
+
+7 THE COURT: I see. Okay.
+
+8 MR. CASSELL: Of course it's our position that there 9 are email accounts and things like that, as you know from our 10 other papers, where we think -- so the fact that we have emails 11 on January 15, 21, and 27 and they're discussing this very 12 issue, we think a reasonable inference could be drawn by the 13 jury, and we'll be arguing at trial that there may well be 14 other smoking-gun emails that haven't been produced by the 15 defendant in this case. I'm not attacking the lawyers here. 16 I'm saying we believe there's been inadequate production, as 17 you know from our other papers.
+
+18 In addition, with regard to the financial information, 19 your Honor has directed the defense to produce all of the 20 financial information but just shortly before trial. So we 21 haven't had an opportunity to look at, for example, the 22 \$17,000,000 townhouse to see if there is any financial 23 connection between Maxwell and Epstein. She's a coconspirator. 24 We're told that the plaintiffs are somehow responsible for 25 Epstein taking the Fifth.
+
+1 THE COURT: You just said something that I had not 2 heard before, that you have reason to believe Epstein was 3 involved in the townhouse? 4 MR. CASSELL: We believe that was a gift from Epstein 5 to be a payment to keep her silent. That 6 could be one of the arguments that would be advanced. We 7 haven't had a chance to look at the financial information. 8 Once we do, we'll work with it from there. 9 I think the speculation is that that was a gift from
+
+10 Epstein to his loyal lieutenant in exchange --
+
+11 THE COURT: I hear you say that, but I haven't seen 12 anything to support it.
+
+13 MR. CASSELL: We haven't been given access to the 14 financial records. Your Honor has said that that will be 15 produced shortly before trial. That's why we're pursuing that 16 line of inquiry. I don't believe I'm the only one who is 17 speculating --
+
+18 THE COURT: By the way, that was not stated with 19 respect to the financial information dispute. Let's call it 20 that. This is the first time I hear this.
+
+21 MR. CASSELL: I can't recall whether we included that 22 in our papers, that particular issue or not. We won the 23 argument to get our -- our argument all along has been that 24 financial information is appropriate to show an inner 25 relationship.
+
+1 THE COURT: Like a number of other things in this 2 case, it's back before me. Thanks very much. 3 MR. CASSELL: It's back before you because, I believe, 4 once you ruled in our favor, they filed a motion to reconsider. 5 THE COURT: Be it right, wrong, or rain, it is back 6 before me. In that briefing -- correct me if I'm wrong -- I
+
+7 don't think I saw any reference that Epstein was involved in 8 any way with the house.
+
+9 MR. CASSELL: It's been a while since I've looked at 10 the briefing. What I recall is we have a separate heading 11 where we say the reason we want the financial records is to 12 show a close financial relationship between Epstein and 13 Maxwell.
+
+14 I know we made that argument generally. I can't 15 recall, sitting here, whether we said and an illustration of 16 that general point would be the townhouse. I think we provided 17 some illustrations. I can't recall immediately whether that 18 was one of the illustrations. We think their financial 19 affairs
+
+20 THE COURT: It's not an issue.
+
+21 MR. CASSELL: We think their financial affairs are 22 interwoven, and of course, we will know that for sure once we 23 get the financial production before trial.
+
+24 THE COURT: It depends on what you get.
+
+25 MR. CASSELL: There may be. We're, frankly, SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. (212) 805-0300
+
+1 fearful -- as you know, we have alleged in our papers that this 2 money is being moved offshore so that it will not be reachable 3 in the event that --
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+4 THE COURT: This I understand. That point you made.
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+5 MR. CASSELL: Whether Epstein is involved in that,
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+6 obviously, we'll have to see what the evidence shows. We heard
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+7 that somehow Mr. Epstein is taking the Fifth because we have
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+8 this pro bono Crime Victims' Rights Act lawsuit going on down 9 in Florida.
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+10 Mr. Epstein has criminal problems, frankly, all over 11 the country, in the Southern District of New York, for example. 12 So let's assume that we withdraw that lawsuit tomorrow, which 13 we won't, he would still have criminal exposure --
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+14 THE COURT: Hold the phone just a second. You just 15 said Epstein has criminal issues --
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+16 MR. CASSELL: Exposure.
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+17 THE COURT: -- in the Southern District of New York.
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+18 MR. CASSELL: Right.
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+19 THE COURT: That's the first time I hear this.
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+20 MR. CASSELL: Our papers have said he's running a
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+21 sex-trafficking organization that included not only Florida --
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+22 THE COURT: Criminal. That means U.S. Attorney.
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+23 MR. CASSELL: I can't make any representations for
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+24 what law enforcement in the Southern District of New York is 25 doing.
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+## UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+X Plaintiff, v. GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendant. X
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+15-cv-07433-RWS
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+## Declaration of Laura A. Menninger in Support of Defendant's Motion to Strike Plaintiff's "Supplemental Authority"
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+I, Laura A. Menninger, declare as follows:
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+1. I am an attorney at law duly licensed in the State of New York and admitted to practice in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. I am a member of the law firm Haddon, & P.C., counsel of record for Defendant Ghislaine Maxwell in this action. I respectfully submit this Declaration in support of Ms. Maxwell's Motion to Strike Plaintiff's "Supplemental Authority".
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+2. Attached as Exhibit A are true and correct copies of excerpts of the March 9, 2017 Hearing Transcript.
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+I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
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+Executed on March 17, 2017.
+
+s/ Laura A. Menninger Laura A. Menninger
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+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on March 17, 2017, I electronically served this Declaration of Laura A. Menninger in Support of Defendant's Motion to Strike Plaintiff's "Supplemental Authority "via ECF on the following:
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+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith BOLES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+JAFFE, WEISSING, , FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Ave., Ste. 2 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 brad@pathtojustice.com
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+Paul G. Cassell 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112 cassellp@law.utah.edu
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+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
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+Is/ Nicole Nicole
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+### UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+Plaintiff. v.
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+GHISLAINE MAXWELL.
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+Defendant.
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+X
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+15-cv-07433-RWS
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+# Defendant's Surreply in Opposition to "Motion to Compel" Work Product and Attorney-Client Communications with Philip Barden
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+Laura A. Menninger Jeffrey S. Pagliuca Ty Gee HADDON, AND P.C. 150 East 101 Avenue Denver, CO 80203 303.831.7364
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+# PAGES 1-6
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+REDACTED
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+[REDACTED]
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+**CONCLUSION**
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+The Court should deny the motion to compel, and award sanctions.
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+Dated: March 17, 2017
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+Respectfully submitted,
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+*/s/ Ty Gee*
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+\_\_\_\_\_
+Laura A. Menninger (LM-1374)
+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca (*pro hac vice*)
+Ty Gee (*pro hac vice*)
+HADDON, [REDACTED] AND [REDACTED], P.C.
+150 East 10th Avenue
+Denver, CO 80203
+Phone: 303.831.7364
+Fax: 303.832.2628
+lmenninger@hmflaw.com
+
+*Attorneys for Ghislaine Maxwell*
+
+#### CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on March 17, 2017, I electronically served this Defendant's Surreply in Opposition to "Motion to Compel" Work Product and Attorney-Client Communications with Philip Barden via ECF on the following:
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+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith Bows, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+Paul G. Cassell 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112 cassellp@law.utah.edu
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+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
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+Id Nicole
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+1 2 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+4 Plaintiff,
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+5 v. 15 CV 7433 (RWS)
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+6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL, et al.,
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+New York, N.Y. March 9, 2017 12:20 p.m.
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+HON. ROBERT W. SWEET,
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+District Judge
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+## APPEARANCES
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+STANLEY POTTINGER PLLC Attorneys for Plaintiff BY: STANLEY POTTINGER
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+S.J. QUINNEY COLLEGE OF LAW AT THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH Attorneys for Plaintiff BY: PAUL G. CASSELL
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+HADDON AND , P.C. Attorneys for Defendant Ghislaine Maxwell BY: LAURA A. MENNINGER JEFFREY S. PAGLIUCA
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+1 2 3 4 THE COURT: I was thinking the two plaintiff's motions with respect to Epstein and Barden and then the application and the application. That's what I was thinking, but I'll be guided by you all.
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+5 How does that sound to you, all?
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+6 7 8 9 MR. CASSELL: That sounds good, your Honor, although we had one small request on behalf of Mr. Pottinger here. He is handling the one motion. If that could be handled first, he could be returned to his office more rapidly.
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+10 THE COURT: Why should we be nice to him?
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 MR. POTTINGER: Other people have said that before, your Honor. It is entirely, of course, up to the Court. We'll accommodate you any way you want. Ms. Menninger has been kind enough to say -- I think I will speak for her to say she's indifferent to going first or second with this particular motion. It's entirely up to you.
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+17 THE COURT: Sure.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I did have one small concern about the motion that might foreshorten the hearing on this topic. As Your Honor is aware, at the time plaintiff filed a motion for a protective order about discovery, I had been in the process of trying to confer with them about some discovery issues.
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+24 25 THE COURT: I think we can cut through that pretty easy by simply saying that I believe that as for any of the
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+1 2 3 4 witnesses in this case, the protective order should apply. Anybody that wants it should have it, and if they wish it and invoke it, then I think it's up to whoever thinks that that's inappropriate to challenge it.
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+5 6 So I take it she would want it, and as far as I'm concerned, she's got it.
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+7 8 9 10 MS. MENNINGER: We have no problem with that, your Honor. I just meant in terms of the order of business today, I did file a combined motion to compel in response to the motion for a protective order.
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+11 THE COURT: You want to deal with all of those?
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 MS. MENNINGER: We haven't finished briefing on that, your Honor. You have set that motion for hearing on March 30. So, instead of bifurcating a motion for a protective order regarding this witness and then hearing later the motion to compel regarding this witness, it would be my suggestion, because we haven't actually finished briefing those issues --
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+18 19 20 THE COURT: What's your view about that? You've got the protective order. So do you want to put the whole thing over? The rest of it over, both sides of it?
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+21 22 23 24 MS. MENNINGER: There's no objection with the protective order, your Honor. Of course it's all marked confidential. The discovery has been marked confidential. The deposition is marked confidential.
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+25 MR. POTTINGER: Thank you, your Honor. No,
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 your Honor. Frankly, we would prefer to go forward with a limited argument about the extent to which the protective order actually applies in this case to this particular witness, the reason being that the defendant has asked for some very specific things to happen, documents to be produced that should not be produced by a nonparty witness, and we would just simply like to present that to the Court today, if we may.
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+8 THE COURT: That's the compel motion.
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+9 MR. POTTINGER: Well, yes, it is.
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+10 THE COURT: Let me ask you this: It's their motion.
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+11 12 MR. POTTINGER: We're actually responding to their motion.
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+13 14 THE COURT: Is there anything further that anybody wants to submit with respect to the compel motion?
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+15 16 17 18 MS. MENNINGER: Yes, your Honor. Their response was just emailed over Tuesday night. it was 25 pages, and I haven't, frankly -- I traveled here yesterday, and we are needing to reply to it, which would be next week.
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+19 20 21 22 MR. POTTINGER: By the same token, your Honor, what we're trying to do is make sure that this particular witness who lives abroad is not subject to the continuing sense of burden and harassment --
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+23 THE COURT: I take it she has not been deposed.
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+24 25 MR. POTTINGER: She has been for ten hours, your Honor.
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+2 3 MR. POTTINGER: She's in Spain, and what we would like to do is cut short the notion that she has to come back again.
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+4 5 6 THE COURT: We don't know about that yet. What they're talking about are records. So we'll put that part of it over. Is it next week?
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+7 8 9 10 11 MS. MENNINGER: It's set, your Honor, on March 30. It's also set on the same day our motions in limine are going to be heard. One of our motions in limine is to exclude her testimony altogether, which would foreclose the need for any additional discovery obviously.
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+12 THE COURT: Our trial date is?
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+13 15, your Honor.
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+14 15 THE COURT: Well, look. Let's do this: Let's accelerate it. Your reply is due when?
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+16 MS. MENNINGER: I believe next Tuesday, your Honor.
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+17 18 THE COURT: Then let's hear this next week. Let's hear the compel motion next week.
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+19 MS. MENNINGER: That's fine, your Honor.
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+20 THE COURT: I think maybe that takes care of this.
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+21 MR. POTTINGER: For the moment, perhaps --
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+22 THE COURT: For the moment.
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+23 24 25 MR. POTTINGER: Yes, your Honor. Two things, please, very quickly. One is I believe we have a reporter for a newspaper in the courtroom, and she has indicated obviously her
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+1 2 3 desire in a brief conversation to comply with whatever protective orders and confidentiality orders apply in this case.
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+4 5 6 7 If we could ask the names of any of the individuals who have been spoken here not be reported in the press, we would appreciate that. She can speak for herself, but I believe she would agree to that.
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+8 9 THE COURT: I'm not sure. I don't think we need to do anything because I haven't heard anything today that is --
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+10 11 12 13 14 15 16 MR. POTTINGER: Only the name of the witness. We did speak the name of the witness here a few moments ago. If it's agreeable, we would like that not reported. The witness for whom we are seeking a protective order was spoken a moment ago. I'm certainly not asking anyone to intrude on any newspaper's First Amendment rights. We simply ask that that be treated with respect.
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+17 THE COURT: What's the defense's view of that?
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+18 19 20 21 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I don't care. I was unaware that anyone had moved for confidentiality of the identities. It's a witness they've designated for trial in May, but I don't have a position really.
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+22 23 24 MR. POTTINGER: I've only noticed that her name, the witness' name, has been redacted both in the defense papers and in our papers.
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+25 THE COURT: Was it redacted in all the documents which
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+2 MR. POTTINGER: I'm not sure.
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+3 THE COURT: On the motions.
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+4 5 MR. POTTINGER: Honestly, I'm not sure. I'm not positive of that.
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+6 THE COURT: Let me take a look.
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+7 8 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, the beginning of the reply was not redacted, and her name is in the first line.
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+9 THE COURT: Neither is the motion.
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+10 11 MS. MENNINGER: I believe it's already a matter of public record.
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+12 THE COURT: I guess that's right.
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+13 14 15 16 MR. POTTINGER: If that's the case then, I withdraw my request. What I might do is make an oral motion at the moment to redact her name, if that's possible. We simply are trying to avoid --
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+17 THE COURT: I do think what's done is done.
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+18 19 20 21 MR. POTTINGER: It may or may not influence your Honor's decision about this, but the reporter herself has indicated her willingness not to use the name if requested, not ordered, but requested.
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+22 23 24 25 THE COURT: Less is more. I'm for that. So let's do it this way: I'll grant your application to redact the name where it has appeared in the documents, and you'll have to police that.
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+2 3 THE COURT: That means I would ask the reporter not to violate the confidentiality order as I've just amended it.
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+4 5 MR. POTTINGER: Yes. Thank you so much, your Honor. We'll see you next week.
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+6 7 8 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I apologize, but there is one other issue that I think would affect our order of business today, if you don't mind.
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+9 THE COURT: Yes.
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+10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, with respect to plaintiff's motion to compel work product from Mr. Barden, the attorney Mr. Barden, as your Honor -- I'm not trying to get into the substance of that argument, but a reply was submitted again on Tuesday night in that case that was more than twice as long as the original motion and contained entirely new arguments, new documents, new everything that were not in the original motion at all.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Again, I got it on Tuesday night at 7:30. I was traveling yesterday, and I would ask that we -- I think there is typically an order of operations that is supposed to occur. Issues are supposed to be raised in the motion, there's a response that addresses them, and then there's a reply. In this case the reply was not a reply. It was really the motion that was not filed originally.
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+25 Your Honor, I think basic fairness would dictate that
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+we have an opportunity either to argue today just the motion in response or alternatively, your Honor, provide us an opportunity to submit a surreply to the 17-page reply that was just tendered on Tuesday night.
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+MR. CASSELL: Your Honor, I think there are three subheadings in the reply brief. Each of those subheadings links directly to an argument that was made in the response brief. So our reply brief simply replied to each of the three components that were in the response brief. So I'm not sure that this is any different than usual. We filed it Tuesday night in anticipation of flying -- I flew from Salt Lake City, Utah.
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+THE COURT: Did we have any agreement on filing dates?
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+MR. CASSELL: Not that I'm aware of. We've been filing replies -- I think both sides have -- on Tuesdays for Thursday hearings on the understanding it would give the Court Wednesday to review the matters.
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+THE COURT: I'll grant the defendant an opportunity to file additional papers. We'll hear the argument today, and if the plaintiff feels it's necessary to file a surreply after that, they may do so, but all of that to be completed within the week on dates that you all will agree upon.
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+Now what?
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+MR. CASSELL: Would you like to hear argument on the Epstein case?
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+2 3 4 MR. CASSELL: Thank you, your Honor. Paul Cassell with the law offices out at the University of Utah College of Law on behalf of
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+5 6 7 8 Your Honor has certainly had an opportunity to read the brief. So I won't belabor what we argue there. This is a case that obviously involves v. Maxwell, but the third party in interest is Mr. Epstein.
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+9 10 11 12 13 As you know, has made allegations that she was sexually trafficked by Epstein's conspiracy in which was the madam or key lieutenant. So he's the first most important witness in the case after the two identified parties.
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+14 15 16 17 18 19 20 There doesn't seem to be any debate that your Honor will decide this issue based on federal law, and the Second Circuit in the LiButti case has very clearly said that a party can call a witness for the purpose of having them invoke the Fifth Amendment and then having the jury potentially draw an adverse inference in their discretion based on that invocation of the Fifth Amendment right to remain silent.
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+21 22 23 24 25 The LiButti case lays out four different factors that your Honor is supposed to look at in deciding whether that's appropriate, and the first factor and the most important factor, according to the Second Circuit, is the nature of the relationships involved.
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 What we have here is the director of the conspiracy and his key lieutenant, Maxwell, obviously in a very tight relationship, and we made that argument in our initial brief. In response, what we heard at page 2 of the response brief from the defendants is that Maxwell and Epstein have -- and I'm quoting here -- "have no relationship," which we find, frankly, astonishing.
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+8 9 THE COURT: Let me ask you: There's been talk of a joint defense agreement.
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+10 Does such an agreement exist?
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+11 12 13 14 MR. CASSELL: Well, your Honor knows that we have made a request to have it produced, and your Honor directed the defense to provide it to you in camera. So we're not familiar with what's been provided to you in camera.
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+15 16 THE COURT: Has it been provided? Not as far as I know.
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+17 18 19 20 21 MR. CASSELL: You directed them to do that in, I believe, September for in-camera review because we requested it as part of discovery. We wanted to see a copy. They objected, and you said, well, I'll take a look at it in camera to see whether it's relevant.
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+22 23 24 So the defense will have to speak to whether it's been provided as directed. We have no control whether the defense complies with the orders.
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+25 THE COURT: Excuse the interruption.
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+2 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I do not recall.
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+3 4 Perfectly honestly, I do not recall if it's been tendered to the Court or not.
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+5 6 THE COURT: It obviously is relevant under what I just heard. So what's reasonable? Within a week?
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+7 MS. MENNINGER: Yes, your Honor.
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+8 THE COURT: Okay.
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+9 Yes. Sorry.
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+10 11 12 13 14 MR. CASSELL: Certainly, your Honor. You can see where we're sitting. During the deposition of Ms. Maxwell, there were objections raised on grounds of the joint defense agreement. When we tried to depose Epstein, the Epstein lawyer said --
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+15 16 17 THE COURT: That's why I asked, because it's not clear to me whether it's agreed that there is a joint agreement or not. So that's why -- okay.
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+18 19 20 21 22 MR. CASSELL: We'd ask your Honor to look at that very carefully because, remember. Just last week they filed a brief in which they represented to your Honor, hey, Epstein shouldn't be called here because we have -- again, I'm quoting. This is a direct quote -- "have no relationship" with Epstein.
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+23 24 25 And yet I suspect in the next week you're going to get a document showing they in fact have what kind of a relationship? A common interest relationship, which of course
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+bears directly on the first LiButti factor, are the witness and the party -- are they in a close relationship.
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+They're in a working relationship, a legal working relationship. They're not in some remote event, in this very lawsuit. But that's not all we have, your Honor. Remember. They said they have again "no relationship."
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+Well, we provided to you in our reply brief emails, and what do the emails show? We have a reporter here. So I won't go into all the details, but your Honor has had a chance to look into them, but you can see the defendant, Ms. Maxwell, and Mr. Epstein talking about fabricating evidence by producing a non-existent witness who will cover up for Ms. Maxwell.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, I object to this.
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+THE COURT: Don't now. He's entitled to argue.
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+MR. CASSELL: Again, I'm not revealing the specifics of the material that are under seal, but that's the nature of the material that is under seal, and you can certainly see them.
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+Again, for them to represent to this Court that there is no relationship and then ask you to prevent what I think is, frankly, the most pivotal and nonparty witness being presented to the jury is highly unfair to
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+Now, also one of the things the Second Circuit asks you to take a look at in the LiButti factors is whether the witness in question is -- I think the phrase they use -- a
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+2 3 4 5 Well, clearly Epstein is a non-captioned party in interest here. This case revolves around whether there was a sex-trafficking organization with Epstein as its head and Maxwell as his madam or key lieutenant.
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+6 7 8 9 10 Clearly, if Ms. Maxwell wins the case, that's good for Epstein. Clearly he is very interested in the case which is presumably why he was exchanging emails with Ms. Maxwell about whether they could have witnesses come forward or things like that.
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 Now, the other point to remember that I think the defense has not responded to at all is we're going to have jurors sitting here. They're going to here say she was sexually trafficked. They're going to hear Ms. Maxwell say, I can't remember whether I was on the airplane with you or not.
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+17 18 19 20 They're going to wonder, well, what does Epstein say about all of this. The only way to answer the jury's natural question is going to be, let's bring Epstein in and put him onto the stand so the jury can hear what's going on.
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+21 22 23 24 Maxwell says, well, look. We want to ask him some questions as well. We're, frankly, skeptical of that. Remember the steps that deposed. had to take to get him
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+process server constantly being evaded, and finally we had to come to the Court to seek your assistance with alternative service of process, and then once we did that, then at that point, one of the attorneys for Epstein came forward and said, all right. I'll accept service. That was the only way we could get him deposed.
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+Remember, the defense is, to our understanding, in a joint defense agreement with Epstein. They can get him to produce whatever information they want, and yet we've been the ones who have been forced to do this, precisely because we know that what Epstein says will be so corroborative of testimony.
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+If he told the truth, he would have to explain what was going on on those 23 flights where he, defendant were flying into places such as London. , and the
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+Now, the last thing your Honor has to look at in this adverse inference issue is: All right. Of these questions that are being asked, is there independent evidence that makes those questions fair questions to propound to Mr. Epstein.
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+One of those questions is based, of course, on testimony. So we do have independent evidence in that sense. Even setting that aside, let's look at some of the questions that we want to ask, and I don't believe the questions themselves would be under seal. So I'll put those into open court.
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+1 2 3 One of the questions we want to ask is: Did you meet Prince Andrew, the Duke of York, in March 2001 in London? That's the question we want to ask him.
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+4 5 6 And you notice what the defense responds to that is. They say that's irrelevant. How can that possibly be irrelevant when that's one of the central issues in the case?
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+7 8 9 10 By the way, is there independent evidence corroborating that? Remember. We have a photograph showing Prince Andrew, . Maxwell all together in what appears to be London.
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 Again, has testified about the significance of that photograph. What do we hear from the defendant? She can't remember where that photograph was taken. So then we're forced to try to get another witness, Mr. Epstein being of course the logical candidate to tell us exactly what was going on there.
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+17 18 19 20 Another question we want to ask is: "On or about March 9, 2001, you, the defendant in this case, and , flew on your private jet from Tangier to Luton International Airport in London England's metropolitan area."
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+21 22 23 24 25 Is there corroborating evidence for that independent evidence? Flight logs show that flight happening with exactly those people there. Once again, has testified that the flight occurred. The defendant was deposed about that, and once again, her memory failed her. She has no memory
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+2 3 4 5 So then we called the pilot, and the defense says, well, your records are inaccurate. Who is GM? Maybe that's somebody else, Greg somebody or whatever. So they're challenging all that.
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+6 7 8 9 So what do we do? We go to the next person listed on the flight logs, which is Mr. Epstein, and we want to ask him what is going on, and we want to present all of that information to the jury.
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+10 11 12 13 So we think we easily satisfy the four LiButti factors. We think we've provided independent evidence. We'd be happy to provide more briefing on each and every question if your Honor thinks that would be useful.
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+14 15 16 We believe it is highly appropriate to call Mr. Epstein to this case and let the jury hear what he has to say.
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+17 MR. PAGLIUCA: Thank you, your Honor.
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+18 19 20 I'd like to go through each of these factors, and I think it's instructive to talk a little bit about the LiButti case and how those factors do not apply in this case.
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+21 22 23 24 25 First, when we talk about the nature of the relevant relationship, the LiButti court said that this relationship should be examined from the perspective of a nonparty witness' loyalty, and in this case, to the defendant. So that's the first issue.
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+Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell have never been married. They have no financial relationship. They have no financial ties. So the disparity between the LiButti relationship and the relationship of Ms. Maxwell is significant.
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+The common interest agreement which the plaintiff makes so much about, your Honor, I submit to you is really not a relationship that is significant in the sense of what the LiButti court was talking about.
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+As you know, your Honor, it is not uncommon for lawyers to enter into these agreements, and essentially it allows for a voluntary sharing of information. That's it. There is no way that anyone under a common interest agreement can make somebody give them a document. You're not entitled to information from the other lawyer or the other party.
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+They talk about these emails. Your Honor, I objected, and I'm sorry. There is so much noise and vitreal in the arguments and the papers that it distracts from the issues.
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+1 2 When I read these papers now, I'm accused of criminal activity, something that's never happened to me in my entire life.
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+3 4 5 6 7 8 9 When I read these papers, my client is accused of all sorts of things. A good example, on page 3 of the reply brief, there's a quote in the first full paragraph under the nature of the relevant relationship, and the words "madam," which have been repeated here today, are quoted with a citation, id, there. That id purports to go to Ms. McCawley's declaration at lines 17 through 19.
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+10 11 12 13 When you look there, there is no support for that proposition. It is a misrepresentation in the pleadings, just like, your Honor, when we get to this email issue that they are so proud of here.
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+14 15 16 17 First I note that the emails -- they want to say that Mr. Epstein is lying and Mr. Epstein is falsely inducing a witness to come forward by the email that's in the middle of page 4.
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+18 19 20 21 There's nothing false about that. There's no misrepresentation there. That is simply again, in my view, a misrepresentation by the plaintiff about the evidentiary significance of this.
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+22 23 24 25 Note the date on these emails, your Honor, that begin at page 4 and go through page 5 and compare the date of these emails with the actual date of the purported defamatory statement that was written by Mr. Barden and issued by Mr. Gow. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 These emails all are weeks after that statement is issued. Why does that become important, your Honor? Because not only does it not support the plaintiff's claim about the relationship and the control here, it supports Ms. Maxwell's position because this is a series of emails that is exchanged or written by Mr. Epstein after the alleged defamatory remark in this case. And Mr. Epstein is urging Ms. Maxwell to come out with another statement, to make another statement denying the allegations.
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+10 11 12 13 14 Well, guess what happens, your Honor. Precisely demonstrating the lack of any control by Mr. Epstein and the lack of any relationship between Mr. Epstein and my client, what happens is my client declines to make any further statement in this regard.
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+15 16 17 18 So not only does this not support any theory of any relationship, it directly supports the fact that Ms. Maxwell is not doing Mr. Epstein's bidding and really could care less about what Mr. Epstein says she should or should not do.
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+19 20 21 22 23 24 What is buried in these papers, your Honor, and is very disingenuous to the Court is the notion that this somehow predated, predated, the January 4, 2015, statement that's at issue in this case. These are all post hoc and, in fact, do not support the motion that there's any collaboration that's occurring before the defamatory statement is issued.
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+1 2 3 clear, there is no economic relationship. That's established in the testimony of Ms. Maxwell. They have not come forward with any economic relationship.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 There's no social relationship. That's established and is uncontroverted in this case. There's no employment relationship, and there's no family relationship. So, in short, these folks were involved more than a decade ago and have nothing to do with each other, other than the plaintiff wants to harm my client.
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+22 23 24 25 The LiButti court characterized that conduct quite disparagingly, frankly. We're talking about Mr. LiButti, Robert's, "indiscriminate manipulations of monies and business affairs."
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 So we don't have that here, your Honor. Ms. Maxwell has not vested any control over any issue to Mr. Epstein in relationship to this litigation or her affairs. Here, in fact, the record evidence is that the exact opposite is true. Ms. Maxwell issued a statement and got sued for making that statement. Mr. Epstein is not a party to this litigation and has no control over this litigation.
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+12 13 14 THE COURT: We keep talking about the adverse interest, but that's really not the issue, is it? Isn't the issue whether or not he gets called?
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+15 16 17 18 If he's called, if he were to invoke his privilege, as he has in the past, there presumably would be some kind of an instruction which would be given to the jury as to what they do about that, but that's not being decided now.
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+19 20 21 MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, I'm not sure. They're asking you to decide that now, your Honor. They are asking you to decide two things --
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+22 23 THE COURT: I don't think so. I may be wrong, but I don't think so.
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+24 25 Let me ask you this: If I bought your argument, if I adopt your position, what are we going to do about a missing
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+2 3 4 5 6 MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, we address that, your Honor. I think there are a number of ways to deal with it through instructions. First of all, my position is that Mr. Epstein's absence hurts Ms. Maxwell in terms of any speculation that the jury might enter into.
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+7 THE COURT: Well, he's going to call him.
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+8 MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, he's going to take the Fifth.
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+9 10 THE COURT: Maybe he will, and maybe he won't. He has in the past, but we don't know. I presume he would, yes.
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+11 MR. PAGLIUCA: His lawyers have said --
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+12 THE COURT: By the way, he's not here.
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+13 14 MR. PAGLIUCA: Who is not here? His lawyer is here, your Honor.
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+15 THE COURT: I haven't heard from him.
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+16 17 18 MR. PAGLIUCA: I don't think he is on the docket today. They have filed a separate motion, your Honor, to quash Mr. Epstein's subpoena which is not being heard today.
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+19 20 21 22 23 So that is an issue that has not been briefed but is before the Court at this point because Mr. Epstein has moved to quash the subpoena that his lawyers accepted service of essentially saying that he shouldn't have to appear to invoke the Fifth Amendment.
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+24 25 So I may be a little bit ahead of the Court, given the pleadings that have been filed but not fully briefed before
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+2 3 THE COURT: Well, logically speaking, doesn't that issue take precedence over this?
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 MR. PAGLIUCA: What I would suggest to you, your Honor, is if the Court were to decide that there is no adverse inference against Ms. Maxwell based on Mr. Epstein's invocation of the Fifth Amendment privilege, all of this becomes moot because there would be no reason for Mr. Epstein to testify, because the only reason for Mr. Epstein to testify would be so the plaintiffs could then say, see. He took the Fifth. You should hold that against Maxwell. That's what they're asking you to do, your Honor.
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+13 14 15 16 17 If he simply comes in and says, I take the Fifth, frankly, that's not what's being asked of your Honor, but I suppose you could issue an instruction that says, you can't hold that against either party. You can hold it against Epstein, but you can't --
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+18 THE COURT: You can draw whatever conclusion you want.
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+19 20 21 MR. PAGLIUCA: Then we would have to have additional discussion about this because then it becomes what can people argue about that in closing and what it means, etc.
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+22 23 24 25 However, what I am talking about is what they are asking for, your Honor, which they are asking for you, first of all, to say that they can play Epstein's deposition testimony first.
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+1 2 3 4 5 Second, that you will then look at a jury and say to a jury, because Epstein took the Fifth, you can take an adverse inference against Maxwell in this case. That's what they're asking in their papers. When I'm going through the LiButti factors, I don't see how this adds up here.
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+6 7 8 9 10 Continuing on, your Honor, in terms of the control issue, had we had control over Epstein, we would want him to testify. You know that we moved to compel his testimony, and you, your Honor, denied that motion to compel and found that Mr. Epstein had a Fifth Amendment privilege.
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+11 12 13 14 The control issue I think is also significant here, your Honor, because not only does Ms. Maxwell not have control over this topic, the plaintiff does. That is a central tenant to this that, again, is unlike any other case that I have read.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 The plaintiff here, her lawyers and the plaintiff, have sought to revoke Mr. Epstein's nonprosecution agreement, which is the primary basis for his invocation of the Fifth Amendment privilege. They can withdraw that, and that then, in my view, allows Epstein to testify or at least takes away the primary basis for his non testimony.
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+21 THE COURT: I'm sure Epstein wouldn't agree with you.
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+22 23 24 25 MR. PAGLIUCA: It's a different day. However, in my view, they have created this situation. Here is why, your Honor. This is the control issue. They all know, because of history of litigation, years of litigation against Epstein,
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+1 2 3 a decade of litigation against Epstein -- what he does is he takes the Fifth. They know that they get an adverse inference. He has to settle the lawsuit against him.
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+4 5 6 7 So he's become a serial target for Mr. , who has been involved in this since 2006, and that's what happens. Serially Epstein is the defendant, he takes the Fifth, he settles the lawsuit, and we move on.
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+8 9 10 11 12 That's part of their control of this issue. In my view, they have manufactured him asserting a Fifth Amendment privilege in this case so that they can then try to bootstrap that against my client, and they're the ones that have the control here.
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+13 14 15 16 17 The next factor, your Honor, compatibility of the interests of the party and the nonparty. Again, compare this to LiButti. In LiButti, the interests are perfectly aligned. Mr. LiButti, Robert, the father, was taking his assets and giving them to his daughter to hide them from the government.
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+18 19 20 21 22 Mr. LiButti had to assert the Fifth because they were his assets. Their interests are aligned because if he says, yes, they're my assets, guess what. The government takes the race horse that was worth \$400,000 and won a \$77,000 prize that was being held by the government at the time.
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+23 24 25 So they get together, and collude, and they said, fine. These are your assets. If I'm asked, I'll take the Fifth. They can't use that against you. You get to keep it, I 1 2 3 get to write the checks, and we all live happily ever after. The court found that their interests were completely compatible, and that is the third factor.
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+4 5 6 The fourth factor, your Honor, the nonparty, the key figure in the litigation and playing a controlling role in the litigation. Again, that's not happening here.
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+7 8 9 10 11 12 I understand their argument, but you have to take a step back and say, wait a minute. This is a defamation action that is as a result of Mr. Barden's writing of a statement that gets issued by Mr. Gow, Mr. Barden, a lawyer, not Mr. Epstein. Mr. Epstein didn't write the statement that is being at issue here. Mr. Barden did, and you have his declaration.
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+13 14 15 16 17 So Mr. Epstein isn't controlling that statement, isn't controlling the litigation around that statement. I think that's important because, unlike LiButti, Mr. LiButti was controlling his daughter and controlling the actions that were occurring during the litigation.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 24 This case is entirely different. Ms. Maxwell, her lawyer, and her press agent issued the statement, not Mr. Epstein. It might be a little different if Mr. Epstein actually had something to do with, here. This is the statement that we want you to send out there on behalf of Epstein, if some interest of Epstein was being protected, but there's not. There's no nexus between those two things.
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+25 So, your Honor, it would be patently unfair in this
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+1 2 3 case to allow a jury to see -- well, let me touch on one other thing, your Honor. This is what happens when lawyers know that somebody is going to invoke the Fifth Amendment privilege.
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+4 5 6 7 It is like chumming waters, and the sharks come out, and they just go to town, and everybody asks the most ridiculous question they can think of, and that's what happened during Epstein's deposition.
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+8 9 10 11 12 13 There were some 500 highly flammatory or inflammatory, as the case may be, questions that were asked by Mr. Cassell during the course of the deposition, far ranging, having little or nothing to do with this litigation. That then turns the question into the answer and the evidence that the plaintiff wants the jury to hear. That's just not fair.
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+14 15 16 17 18 19 They want to say to you, well, Ms. Maxwell can't remember. Therefore, we get to ask these questions. Those two things have nothing to do with each other. We're talking about events that happened 15-plus years ago, and it is not unusual or uncommon for people to not remember details of events 15 years ago. So that's a non sequitur.
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 Whether or not she remembers has nothing to do with whether Epstein should be a witness or not. She can be cross-examined on her memory. A jury can decide, we think that's credible or not credible, based on the testimony from the witness stand. Epstein brings nothing to that equation by asserting his Fifth Amendment privilege.
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+1 2 3 4 The other thing that they say in her papers is she said go ask Epstein. Again, that's disingenuous because the questions that were being asked to her during her deposition called for speculation by Epstein.
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+5 6 7 8 9 10 So if I asked you, your Honor, what does Jeff like to eat for breakfast, you're going to say, well, go ask him. I don't know. I don't sit there and eat breakfast with him. They are the kinds of questions that they are now relying on to say, well, she invited Epstein to this party. Well, she didn't.
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 To sum up here, your Honor, the whole point of this exercise that was first articulated by the LiButti court was where it fits, where it is appropriate, where the person invoking the Fifth Amendment privilege somehow controls the party, benefits from the invocation through the party. We're not going to let people manipulate the system around the truth-seeking process to have that happen. So those are the four factors.
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+19 20 21 22 That has absolutely nothing to do with this case. In fact, this is exactly the opposite. The questions by the lawyers -- they want them to become the truth, not the answers from the witness stand.
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+23 24 25 I believe, your Honor, that the appropriate thing to do is to deny this motion. There is no good ground to say that Epstein's invocation of the fifth is somehow imputed to
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+1 2 3 Ms. Maxwell. If you do that, this issue is moot, I don't believe Mr. Epstein needs to testify, and we move on with the actual evidence in the case. Thank you.
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+4 5 MR. CASSELL: Your Honor, may I have a moment to confer with counsel?
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+6 THE COURT: Sure.
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+7 (Pause)
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+8 9 10 MR. CASSELL: Your Honor, I apologize for interrupting a moment ago. I think your Honor may have come up with a solution for cutting through some of the morass here.
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+11 12 13 14 We could just call Epstein to the stand. We'll ask our questions. I was trying to make the point we would have no objection to Ms. Maxwell calling him to the stand and asking whatever questions they want as well.
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+15 16 17 18 19 Your Honor has already ruled that with respect to at least one area of inquiry, the nude photographs that Epstein has in his possession. He doesn't have a Fifth Amendment interest in preventing disclosure of that. So that's one of the things we would have him produce at trial.
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+20 21 22 23 24 So we could see which questions he invokes on, which ones he's unable to invoke on, and then sort all of the issues out at trial. We thought it would be useful for the Court if we aired this issue ahead of time rather than having it come up in the middle of trial.
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+25 We think that certainly at a minimum,
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 would be entitled to some instruction to the jury that, look. has been trying to put Mr. Epstein on the stand. This isn't a situation where she's afraid of his testimony. She sent out process servers 16 different times to try to get him to appear. So we think the jury is entitled to have that information when they decide the case.
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+7 8 9 10 11 12 Mr. Pagliuca goes through the various four factors that the LiButti test requires. The first one of course is whether there is a relationship here. I'm not sure if I got a direct concession from Mr. Pagliuca today that there is in fact a joint defense agreement. It seemed to me he was suggesting that there was.
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+13 14 15 16 A prerequisite for a joint defense agreement is that the interest of the parties to that agreement are aligned. So obviously, that bears quite directly on the most important LiButti factor.
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+17 18 19 20 21 You can't have a joint defense agreement if the interests of the two folks in the agreement are at odds with each other. Mr. Pagliuca cites the LiButti case and says that case involved a father and his daughter, and this case doesn't involve a father and daughter. That's true.
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+22 23 24 25 There were other cases -- and we cited them in our brief -- such as FDIC v. Fidelity Deposit Company, the Fifth Circuit case. That involved coconspirators, and the Fifth Circuit said, if you got one conspirator, he's taking the
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+1 2 Fifth, that can be used against the other conspirators, which is exactly our situation here.
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+3 4 5 6 7 8 Once again, we hear -- again, I think this is a direct quote. "Any relationship ended over a decade ago" is the argument that's being made today. Your Honor, we just do not understand how that argument can be made, given that we included in our reply brief emails between Epstein and Maxwell dated January 13, 2015; January 21, 2015; January 27, 2015.
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+9 10 11 12 13 What are they talking about? They're talking about this case. They're talking about fabricating evidence. They're talking about witnesses coming forward to say, II Maxwell wasn't the girlfriend. We'll have somebody else be the girlfriend. That's the nature of those communications.
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+14 15 16 17 18 How can the argument be that there was no relationship? I guess the technical argument is aha. January 15 is 12 days after the statement. it's 12 days after the statement. It's obviously connected in time and in subject matter with the events in this case.
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+19 20 21 22 23 24 Your Honor is familiar, having already directed that the jury could draw an adverse inference in this case, from the defendant's failure to produce all of the email accounts that she was supposed to produce, that if we've got emails on the 15th, the 21st, and the 27th, there very well may be other emails that she has failed to produce.
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+25 We hear about the economic relationship being 1 2 3 nonexistent. We would certainly like to see all the financial records. Your Honor has ordered those records be produced but has directed that that won't happen until shortly before trial.
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+4 THE COURT: Tell me where did these emails come from?
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+5 6 MR. CASSELL: Eventually, we got them from production from the defense.
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+7 THE COURT: I see.
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+8 9 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, they were produced at the outset of our production, the one he's referring to.
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+10 11 MR. CASSELL: So they're within 12 days -- January 15 is within 11 days of the --
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+12 13 14 THE COURT: In other words, there's no reason I would have known about these of course. There's no impropriety in the production of these emails.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 MR. CASSELL: These emails, of course, have been properly produced. Our argument has been that we have not gotten -- as you know from the earlier briefing, that there has been withholding of other information by the defendant. Your Honor has already said the jury could draw an adverse inference.
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+21 22 THE COURT: I'm sorry to go over plowed ground, but these were not produced after that weekend of review?
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+23 MR. CASSELL: No, not these particular emails.
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+24 THE COURT: They were subsequently produced.
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+25 MR. CASSELL: No. I believe they were produced, as
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+2 3 4 5 MR. PAGLIUCA: These were all produced at the same time, your Honor. There's no subsequent production of these emails. We produced them as part of the emails that we had. That's it. There is no surprise here.
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+6 7 8 THE COURT: Am I wrong then that there were no -- I was under the impression that there were no emails produced after the initial search.
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+9 10 11 MR. CASSELL: So we have discovered -- for example, one of my colleagues from Florida, traveled to London, deposed Mr. Gow, that kind of stuff.
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+12 13 THE COURT: I know about the Gow email. That one I know.
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+14 MR. CASSELL: Right.
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+15 16 THE COURT: That's the only instance? After that initial weekend review, there was production?
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+17 MR. CASSELL: Maybe you would --
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+18 19 20 21 MR. PAGLIUCA: I'm unclear on what the weekend is that we're talking about here, your Honor. We produced whatever we had is all I can tell you, and we reviewed all the emails. Whatever was responsive got produced.
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+22 23 24 THE COURT: In other words, your view is everything was produced except the Gow email, and I understand there's an argument about that, an explanation for that.
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+25 MR. PAGLIUCA: Gow had it, and we didn't.
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+2 3 4 5 6 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I actually believe that these emails were some that your Honor had reviewed because we had asserted a joint defense agreement privilege, and your Honor reviewed these emails, and they were produced last April, the ones that Mr. Cassell is talking about right now.
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+7 THE COURT: I see. Okay.
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+8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 MR. CASSELL: Of course it's our position that there are email accounts and things like that, as you know from our other papers, where we think -- so the fact that we have emails on January 15, 21, and 27 and they're discussing this very issue, we think a reasonable inference could be drawn by the jury, and we'll be arguing at trial that there may well be other smoking-gun emails that haven't been produced by the defendant in this case. I'm not attacking the lawyers here. I'm saying we believe there's been inadequate production, as you know from our other papers.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 In addition, with regard to the financial information, your Honor has directed the defense to produce all of the financial information but just shortly before trial. So we haven't had an opportunity to look at, for example, the \$17,000,000 townhouse to see if there is any financial connection between Maxwell and Epstein. She's a coconspirator. We're told that the plaintiffs are somehow responsible for Epstein taking the Fifth.
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+1 2 3 THE COURT: You just said something that I had not heard before, that you have reason to believe Epstein was involved in the townhouse?
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+4 5 6 7 8 MR. CASSELL: We believe that was a gift from Epstein to be a payment to keep her silent. That could be one of the arguments that would be advanced. We haven't had a chance to look at the financial information. Once we do, we'll work with it from there.
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+9 10 I think the speculation is that that was a gift from Epstein to his loyal lieutenant in exchange --
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+11 12 THE COURT: I hear you say that, but I haven't seen anything to support it.
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+13 14 15 16 17 MR. CASSELL: We haven't been given access to the financial records. Your Honor has said that that will be produced shortly before trial. That's why we're pursuing that line of inquiry. I don't believe I'm the only one who is speculating --
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+18 19 20 THE COURT: By the way, that was not stated with respect to the financial information dispute. Let's call it that. This is the first time I hear this.
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+21 22 23 24 25 MR. CASSELL: I can't recall whether we included that in our papers, that particular issue or not. We won the argument to get our -- our argument all along has been that financial information is appropriate to show an inner relationship.
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+1 2 THE COURT: Like a number of other things in this case, it's back before me. Thanks very much.
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+3 4 MR. CASSELL: It's back before you because, I believe, once you ruled in our favor, they filed a motion to reconsider.
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+5 6 7 8 THE COURT: Be it right, wrong, or rain, it is back before me. In that briefing -- correct me if I'm wrong -- I don't think I saw any reference that Epstein was involved in any way with the house.
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+9 10 11 12 13 MR. CASSELL: It's been a while since I've looked at the briefing. What I recall is we have a separate heading where we say the reason we want the financial records is to show a close financial relationship between Epstein and Maxwell.
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+14 15 16 17 18 19 I know we made that argument generally. I can't recall, sitting here, whether we said and an illustration of that general point would be the townhouse. I think we provided some illustrations. I can't recall immediately whether that was one of the illustrations. We think their financial affairs --
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+20 THE COURT: It's not an issue.
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+21 22 23 MR. CASSELL: We think their financial affairs are interwoven, and of course, we will know that for sure once we get the financial production before trial.
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+24 THE COURT: It depends on what you get.
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+25 MR. CASSELL: There may be. We're, frankly,
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+1 2 3 fearful -- as you know, we have alleged in our papers that this money is being moved offshore so that it will not be reachable in the event that
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+4 THE COURT: This I understand. That point you made.
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+5 6 7 8 9 MR. CASSELL: Whether Epstein is involved in that, obviously, we'll have to see what the evidence shows. We heard that somehow Mr. Epstein is taking the Fifth because we have this pro bono Crime Victims' Rights Act lawsuit going on down in Florida.
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+10 11 12 13 Mr. Epstein has criminal problems, frankly, all over the country, in the Southern District of New York, for example. So let's assume that we withdraw that lawsuit tomorrow, which we won't, he would still have criminal exposure --
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+14 15 THE COURT: Hold the phone just a second. You just said Epstein has criminal issues --
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+16 MR. CASSELL: Exposure.
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+17 THE COURT: -- in the Southern District of New York.
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+18 MR. CASSELL: Right.
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+19 THE COURT: That's the first time I hear this.
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+20 21 MR. CASSELL: Our papers have said he's running a sex-trafficking organization that included not only Florida --
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+22 THE COURT: Criminal. That means U.S. Attorney.
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+23 24 25 MR. CASSELL: I can't make any representations for what law enforcement in the Southern District of New York is doing.
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+2 3 4 MR. CASSELL: Maybe I misspoke. I said, in our view, in our opinion, Epstein has committed federal sex-trafficking offenses.
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+5 6 7 THE COURT: Look. I don't doubt for a moment that you believe that or believes that he has liability. God only knows where.
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+8 MR. CASSELL: Right.
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+9 THE COURT: That's not what you said.
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+10 11 12 13 14 15 MR. CASSELL: I apologize then, and I retract what I said. When I said he has criminal exposure, what I should have said, I guess to be more precise, is that in the opinion of and her attorneys, Jeffrey Epstein has committed federal sex-trafficking crimes in the Southern District of New York.
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+16 17 18 19 Therefore, in our opinion, his lawyers will direct him to invoke the Fifth Amendment for any and all questions that are asked, regardless of whether or not the Florida proceeding --
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+20 THE COURT: Perhaps I misunderstood you.
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+21 22 MR. CASSELL: I apologize. I think that was my error, and I apologize.
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+23 24 25 The point is he's going to take the Fifth, I would suspect, regardless of what's happening in Florida. That's the overarching point here.
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+1 2 3 4 5 The last thing that was said was somehow we have manufactured Epstein and tried to inject him into this case. was trafficked by Epstein and Maxwell. It was their choice to operate this conspiracy together, not hers. They have completely compatible interests here.
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+6 7 8 Remember the one thing -- I was waiting to hear what Mr. Pagliuca was going to say about this. You're supposed to figure out, look. Is this witness a key figure in the case?
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 I can't imagine a case that has a keyer figure, if that's the right way of putting it, a more important figure, than Epstein in this case. He's the one who's running the sex-trafficking organization. This won't be just a missing witness. This will be a missing main event if he's not allowed to testify.
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+15 16 17 18 So the last point I'll make is we were told that I asked a series of ridiculous, far-fetched questions. Remember. I read two of the questions that we wanted to ask in front of the jury.
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+19 20 21 22 Is this a ridiculous question? "On or about March 9, 2001, you, Mr. Epstein; the defendant, Ms. Maxwell; • and , flew on your private jet from Tangier to Luton in the London area?"
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+23 24 25 That's not a ridiculous and far-fetched question. That's a question that goes to the heart of this case about whether sex-trafficking was taking place in London.
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 So we would ask your Honor to rule now that we could get an adverse inference. We would have no objection to your Honor deferring ruling on this. We'll call him at trial, they can call him at trial, hear what his answers are, and we can sort out the issues then. Either approach is acceptable to US.
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+7 THE COURT: Thank you. We have one more to go.
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+8 9 MR. CASSELL: I believe I'm the moving party on this as well. Is this Barden now?
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+10 11 MS. MENNINGER: I think we also have an subpoena issue, your Honor.
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+12 THE COURT: Pardon me?
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+13 14 15 MS. MENNINGER: There is also a motion regarding their motion to quash our subpoena on Mr. that was transferred from Florida.
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+16 THE COURT: True.
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+17 18 19 20 21 MR. CASSELL: Attorney Barden, your Honor will remember, I think it was two weeks ago we were here on the summary judgment issue, and Mr. Barden's name came up a lot. I won't rehash the issues on the summary judgment motion, and I won't rehash what we've presented in our briefs.
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+22 23 24 25 I did just want to answer one question your Honor might be wondering, why is it that suddenly we are now hearing this issue about Mr. Barden. The reason I think is straightforward.
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Earlier in the case, we requested on behalf of all the documents connected with the defamatory statements at issue here, and we got sporadic production, as your Honor is aware. Some of the production we got was a privilege log that said, Barden communications, numbers and so forth, attorney-client privilege. So our opportunity to go after Barden was cut off. Your Honor sustained the attorney-client privilege invocations, and we respected that ruling of course.
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+10 11 12 13 14 15 Then we show up here two weeks ago for the summary judgment motion and papers being filed just shortly before that. Suddenly the attorney-client privilege has been asserted over the witness, a blanket thrown over him so we can't approach him. Now he's suddenly the central figure in the summary judgment motion.
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+16 17 18 19 20 21 What do we discover? Lo and behold this statement that we had thought had been crafted by Ms. Maxwell and released by her, the lawyer is -- I think the phrase that's commonly used is falling on his sword. He's the one that has done essentially everything. At least that's the impression he's trying to create.
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+22 23 24 25 So now that puts us in a position where we want to know what did Barden say to the defendant. What did the defendant say so Barden. He's now become a central figure in this case.
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+1 2 3 4 5 In fact, his declaration which he wrote out and then was included as an exhibit in support of the summary judgment motion explicitly and implicitly reveals all kinds of attorney-client communications. In our reply brief we list a whole series of those and which statements are made.
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+6 7 8 9 In addition to that, Mr. Barden says in his affidavit, "The content of the statement was entirely based on information I acquired in connection with my role as counsel for Ms. Maxwell."
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+10 11 12 13 Again, you're being asked to throw out claims based on this affidavit, I guess. So that's why the issue is just being presented to you now. I think it's fair to see we've had a sea change in the landscape.
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+14 15 16 17 18 19 Ordinarily, if you got a lawyer in the case, fine. Let's not talk to him. Let's not get evidence from him. But when suddenly he shows up at the summary judgment for the first time, we're entitled to say, why were you asserting attorney-client privilege over these communications during the discovery phase of the case?
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 One of the things that was interesting, when you look at that reply brief that they filed, the defense filed, they concede that work product protection has been waived say, okay. The attorney can waive work product, and waiving it. If there is any work product protection communication or other evidence, that's gone. now. They we're over his
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 What about the attorney-client issue? Well, the declaration that was provided to you two weeks ago clearly waives communications. Here is one example. This is from Mr. Barden. "I did not ask Ms. Maxwell to respond point by point to factual allegations in the CVRA joinder motion. What we needed to do was issue an immediate denial, and that necessarily had to be short and to the point."
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+8 9 10 11 12 That's a discussion between the lawyer and the defendant in this case about how they're going to craft the statement, whether it's going to be broad or narrow, point by point, or something else, which is of course the central issue in this case.
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+13 14 15 16 So he has revealed communications. Even if you say that technically doesn't reveal a communication, he's certainly placed the communications at issue, and I say Barden has done that.
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+17 18 19 20 21 Maybe I should speak a little more precisely. Once Barden wrote that declaration out, I'm assuming at the request of the defense attorneys, the defense attorneys put it in evidence here. We raised an objection saying you're waiving attorney-client privilege.
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+22 23 24 25 I suppose at that point they could have said, Ms. Maxwell doesn't want to waive her privilege. They could pull back, but what they've done is doubled down. They've now said, nope. We're going forward with that. We want your Honor
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+2 3 4 5 6 So clearly we now have issues involving what Mr. Barden said to Those should be resolved before you rule on the summary judgment motion, although we think you can deny the summary judgment motion without ever looking at this.
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+7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 We want all the communication that's were logged as attorney-client protection. We also want an opportunity to depose Mr. Barden about what those communications mean, something that we clearly would have done if the attorney-client privilege had not been invoked during the discovery phase of this case. So we could ask for the communications from Barden, and we would ask for an opportunity to depose him.
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+15 16 17 18 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, last February, over a year ago, Ms. Maxwell provided her initial disclosures under Rule 26 which requires her to disclose anybody upon whom she intends to rely to assert a defense.
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+19 20 21 22 The number three witness disclosed in her Rule 26 disclosures was Mr. Barden. In particular, "He has knowledge concerning press statements by plaintiff and defendant in 2011 to 2015 at issue in this matter."
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+23 24 25 In March of 2016, over a year ago, plaintiff had submitted discovery requests to Ms. Maxwell. None of those discovery requests asked for Mr. Barden's work product, asked 1 2 for communications with Mr. Barden, asked for anything having to do with Mr. Barden.
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 We submitted a privilege log. We gave it to the Court. We gave the communications to the Court. Your Honor overruled that assertion of privilege. Your Honor found that Mr. Gow was not necessary for purposes of provision of legal advice and, therefore, any communications with Mr. Gow had to be produced, whether or not the attorney was also on there.
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+17 18 19 20 If I may, your Honor, approach, because the plaintiffs attached as Exhibit 1 to their motion, this privilege log. Your Honor, as you will see when I hand you this document, if I may approach.
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+21 22 23 24 25 The vast majority of those documents in Plaintiff's Exhibit 1 were produced to plaintiff. All of the documents that are grayed out were in fact produced. Included among the documents that were produced were ones that said things - for example, Ms. Maxwell said to Mr. Gow, copying Mr. Barden,
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+So since April of last year, plaintiff not only had Mr. Barden disclosed as a witness, they also had the emails showing that Mr. Barden was the one who was drafting the statement at issue.
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+In April Ms. Maxwell was deposed. At that time she said her attorney, Mr. Barden, was the one who had directed Mr. Gow to release the statement. In may and June, as your Honor knows from the extensive litigation, both sides took ten depositions. asked for permission to take more depositions. She took more depositions.
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+The depositions continued into November when Mr. Gow was deposed overseas, and he also explained that Mr. Barden was involved in drafting and disclosing the statement at issue.
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+So Mr. Cassell's representation to the Court that Mr. Barden has just somehow magically appeared at the 11th hour is not supported by the record evidence in this case. There are a number of different problems with the motion to compel. First of all, a motion to compel is supposed to include the discovery request to which any such work product would be
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+2 3 4 Your Honor, you can search in vain in their motion to compel. There's not a single discovery request that they identify as calling for any of the records they now seek.
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+5 6 7 The cases cited in our response at page 7 require that a motion to compel be dismissed in circumstances where the moving party doesn't actually have a discovery request pending.
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+8 9 10 11 Secondly, your Honor, this motion is addressed to the wrong person, Ms. Maxwell. Ms. Maxwell is not the one who holds the work product protection. Her attorney, Mr. Barden, holds the work product protection.
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+12 13 14 15 There has been no attempt by plaintiff to seek discovery from Mr. Barden, despite all of the evidence that they have had for over a year now that Mr. Barden was the one who drafted the statement at issue.
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+16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Fourth, your Honor, they've noted that there have been suggestions that Mr. Barden placed the work product materials at issue and then, therefore, goes on to demand that Ms. Maxwell be the one to produce all of the work product, not work product related to a topic, not work product related to a certain time period, that she should then get all of her work product from Mr. Barden somehow overseas and produce it in this case.
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+24 25 Your Honor, they make another extraordinary request of this Court, and that is that Mr. Barden be compelled to come
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+1 2 3 4 5 sit in the U.S. for a deposition based on this declaration when they have taken no steps to take his deposition in the UK. For example, when we were there altogether taking Mr. Gow's deposition, Mr. Barden was actually in the room. No request to take his deposition there in his presence.
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+6 7 8 9 Finally, your Honor -- and I think perhaps the most problematic -- they've quoted to you what they claim is the basis for the placing of an attorney-client communication at issue thereby waiving the entire attorney-client privilege.
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+10 11 12 13 14 15 As your Honor is well aware, there are two completely different protections we're talking about here, the work product protection that belongs to an attorney that an attorney can waive under certain circumstances and an attorney-client communication privilege which the client holds and the client can waive.
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+16 17 18 19 Their assertion for the waiver of this entire attorney-client communication is Mr. Barden's statement that he "did not ask Ms. Maxwell to respond point by point to factual allegations in the CVRA joinder motion."
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 So an attorney saying he did not have a communication with his client they would submit to your Honor completely waives the attorney-client privilege as between Ms. Maxwell and her attorney, Mr. Barden. There is not a single case that a statement by the attorney that he did not have a communication with his client waives that privilege.
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+1 2 3 4 Finally, your Honor, the cases regarding waiver that plaintiff has cited come in the nature of an advice of counsel defense. There has been no assertion of an advice of counsel defense in this case.
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+5 6 7 8 Ms. Maxwell is not disclaiming that her attorney and her agent with whom she was working issued a statement. She's not saying she only did it on the advice of counsel and, therefore, she should be excused from having done so.
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 Mr. Barden was proffered as a witness for a separate privilege, the litigation privilege, your Honor. And that litigation privilege, as we discussed during the summary judgment proceedings a couple of weeks ago, requires that there be a showing that there was a good-faith anticipated litigation for which the statement was issued in connection.
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+15 16 17 In this case, Mr. Barden is, for example, a fact witness because he is the one who told your Honor during his declaration that there was good-faith anticipated litigation.
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+18 19 20 THE COURT: But isn't there also another issue involving Barden? That is, that it was a question of the intent for the issuance of the release?
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+21 22 MS. MENNINGER: Yes, your Honor, that is true. It is not, however, an advice of counsel defense.
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+23 THE COURT: No.
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+24 25 MS. MENNINGER: The advice of counsel cases that are cited by plaintiff for the proposition are in opposite for that
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+2 3 4 5 6 7 Your Honor, in the absence of an actual discovery request for which these documents would be responsive, there is no basis for a motion to compel. Plaintiff chose not to seek Mr. Barden's deposition. Nor did they choose to serve a subpoena upon him as they did, for example, for Mr. Gow, who also lives in the United Kingdom.
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+8 9 10 11 12 There is nothing about the reliance on Mr. Barden's declaration that opens up the attorney-client communications. Simply saying I did not have a particular conversation with my client certainly does not qualify, and plaintiff has offered no proof or legal support that it does.
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+13 14 15 16 17 Frankly, your Honor, I believe this is an attempt by plaintiff to ask this Court to produce discovery, demand international travel of a UK citizen to come to the U.S. to sit for a deposition without a single citation to any legal authority for the ability to do that.
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+18 19 20 21 I would ask your Honor to deny the motion. And, furthermore, as I mentioned earlier, your Honor, because I received a reply that raised five new legal issues, I'd like the opportunity to brief those issues.
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+22 23 THE COURT: You have that. Do I not have a joint pretrial order in this case?
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+24 MS. MENNINGER: We do, your Honor, yes.
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+25 THE COURT: Is Barden listed as a witness?
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+1 2 MS. MENNINGER: I don't recall, your Honor. I apologize. I don't have a computer to look it up.
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+3 4 5 THE COURT: If Barden appears as a witness, it would seem to me certainly fair to have a deposition at that point. However, I'll take a look and see. Okay. Thanks.
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+6 MS. MENNINGER: Thank you.
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+7 THE COURT: Yes.
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+8 9 10 11 12 MR. CASSELL: Following up on your Honor's suggestion, we're happy to work on logistics, if it would make sense, when he's traveling over to do the deposition, shortly before he testifies, if it would be more convenient to do a video deposition. We're not trying to create an unnecessary expense.
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+13 14 THE COURT: But the point is taken -- you heard it - there is no proceeding.
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+15 16 MR. CASSELL: I guess they could tell us whether they're planning to call him as a witness at trial.
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+17 18 19 THE COURT: They could tell you, but then they might change their mind. I don't know. The defense is there is well, you heard it. What do you say?
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+20 21 22 23 24 MR. CASSELL: And the answer I think is clear-cut. I think roughly a year ago we had rulings from your Honor that his communications are attorney-client protected. They've just handed up to you a chart. If you look at item 16 there, it's marked --
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+25 THE COURT: Are you saying that the only thing you're
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+1 2 asking at this point is a determination as to whether there was a waiver?
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+3 4 MR. CASSELL: We're asking for a determination as to whether there was a waiver of the attorney-client privilege --
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+5 6 THE COURT: And of course, if there was a waiver, then you would say you would like to have the documents.
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+7 MR. CASSELL: That's right.
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+8 THE COURT: But that's it.
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+9 MR. CASSELL: That's right.
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+10 11 12 THE COURT: No deposition. There's nothing else pending. So what you're really doing is moving to reconsider the determination based on his later thing.
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+13 MR. CASSELL: Based on intervening circumstances.
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+14 15 THE COURT: Based on this affidavit. That's all there is.
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+16 17 18 MR. CASSELL: That's right. Now the centrality of that affidavit -- I should be clear. It's not just the affidavit. It was the arguments that you heard two weeks ago.
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+19 20 21 22 23 THE COURT: Argument shmargument. There's always an argument, particularly in this case. This case is not unique. The argument I don't care. Factually, the only basis for your motion to alter the decision on the attorney-client is his affidavit.
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+24 25 MR. CASSELL: When you boil it down, I think that's right. What we don't want to have happen is the jury sitting 1 2 there, and they're going to say, hey, this is all Mr. Barden's idea. Ms. Maxwell had nothing --
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+3 4 5 THE COURT: How that comes up is a whole different thing. That's a question is he going to testify, etc., etc. I inquired on that. Nobody seems to know.
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+6 MR. CASSELL: Right.
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+7 THE COURT: I think we do know.
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+8 9 10 11 12 13 MR. CASSELL: I think he's going to show up and fall on his sword, and we want to have an opportunity, and I think your Honor was suggesting it would be fair for us to at least get a chance to depose him. Remember. We were limited to ten. We had to fight to get a couple more. We had to make some choices. In the face of --
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+14 15 16 17 THE COURT: It's perfectly obvious. I say "perfectly obvious." It's maybe not that clear. If you were to seek his deposition tomorrow, it would be a tough job to get it accomplished by the trial date.
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+18 MR. CASSELL: Our team could do it.
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+19 20 THE COURT: I presume you do not want to delay the trial date.
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+21 MR. CASSELL: Right.
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+22 THE COURT: So that's really what we're talking about.
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+23 24 25 MR. CASSELL: Our team could take the deposition on a moment's notice, on one week's notice I would represent. We could do it by video. We live in a world where --
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+1 2 3 THE COURT: I can't compel him. Who am I? I'm just a little, old district court judge in New York. I can't compel Mr. Barden to come here.
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+4 MR. CASSELL: He's Maxwell's lawyer.
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+5 THE COURT: You say he's their agent.
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+6 MR. CASSELL: That's right. He's their lawyer.
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+7 8 THE COURT: So I could compel them to direct him to come.
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+9 MR. CASSELL: Right.
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+10 11 THE COURT: Suppose he says, sorry, Judge. I don't want to do it.
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+12 13 MR. CASSELL: Then we would just ask you to exclude any reference to Mr. Barden's communications at trial.
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+14 THE COURT: I see. Unbelievable.
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+15 16 17 MR. CASSELL: This case has every evidentiary -- a law professor's dream, I guess you could say, all the twists and turns.
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+18 19 THE COURT: This case certainly has got it all. Your quite right about that.
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+20 Is there anything else you want to tell me?
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+21 22 23 MR. CASSELL: That would be the main point. Their suggestion we haven't identified the documents, they're right there on their own exhibit, the documents we want.
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+24 25 We're happy, again, to work on logistics, or if they would just represent, we're not calling him and not going to
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+1 2 make an issue of him at trial, then this issue goes away, but I think we all know they're planning on calling him.
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+3 THE COURT: Okay. Mr.
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+4 5 MR. CASSELL: Your Honor has already ruled on a parallel subpoena.
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+6 7 8 THE COURT: Now, let me ask you this: If I were to simply say, this motion is granted in part and denied in part and controlled by the decision on your --
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+9 10 11 MR. CASSELL: Right. I believe the defense can correct me if I'm wrong. Those were overlapping subpoenas in all respects except for three.
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+12 THE COURT: Can we dispose of it that way?
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+13 14 15 MR. CASSELL: It resolves all the issues except for one issue, which is requests 3, 4, and 5, in my view. But I should let the defense speak to that.
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+16 17 18 19 20 MR. PAGLIUCA: I agree the majority of this has been disposed of by your opinion, your Honor. I can walk through all of these and tell you which ones I believe have been resolved and which ones haven't been resolved, if you would like me to do that.
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+21 22 THE COURT: If you all agree with that, then that's fine. So what's left?
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+23 24 25 MR. PAGLIUCA: What is left is 3, 4, and 5. Those deal with the Epstein v. litigations. 12 is still at issue. That deals with disclosures made to the plaintiff by
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+2 3 4 5 6 14, 16, 17, and 18 are different from what was in Mr. Cassell's subpoena. Those items were not contested in response to the pleadings in Florida. So I assume that they're not at issue before the Court because they were never contested.
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+7 8 9 10 11 19 and 20 are specific to Mr. and those deal with communications, letters or communications, from Mr. to prospective witnesses in this matter and responses thereto. So that's what at issue and not resolved by your order.
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+12 13 THE COURT: Let's do it again. 3, 4, and 5 were documents related to Epstein against
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+14 MR. PAGLIUCA: Correct.
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+15 16 THE COURT: Epstein against I never heard of before. What's that?
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+17 18 19 20 21 22 MR. PAGLIUCA: Mr. Epstein sued Mr. in the Southern District of Florida. This is part of the submission is the complaint in these litigations. Mr. Epstein accused Mr. and his former partner, Rothstein, of RICO violations, fraud, and other things. Mr. Epstein claimed that Mr. and Mr. Rothstein manufactured --
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+23 THE COURT: I thought that lawsuit went away.
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+24 25 MR. PAGLIUCA: It is still pending in some fashion, your Honor. It is on appeal, as I understand it, and has not
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+2 3 THE COURT: What happened below? What's being appealed?
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+4 5 MR. CASSELL: I don't mean to interrupt, but I can give you a more complete accounting.
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+6 7 8 9 MR. PAGLIUCA: I'm trying to remember, your Honor. It was set for trial at some point, and there are claims that have not been resolved that are on appeal. That's what I recall of this.
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+10 THE COURT: What is it you want?
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+11 12 MR. PAGLIUCA: I'm informed that the case is in the Supreme Court of Florida now by Mr. Epstein's lawyer.
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+13 14 What I want, your Honor, are the documents that were produced in those litigations.
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+15 THE COURT: Why?
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+16 17 MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, because Mr. is a central figure in this case. He is listed as a witness.
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+18 19 THE COURT: I know what he's done in this case, but what's that case got to do with this case?
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+20 21 22 23 24 MR. PAGLIUCA: There is a theme that runs through these cases, your Honor. The complaint that's attached as part of the submission, the Epstein v. complaint, details a scheme in Florida that was started by Mr. Rothstein, who was Mr. I partner.
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+1 2 3 4 5 result of this scheme, having been convicted in the Southern District of Florida. The scheme was that Mr. Rothstein would manufacture claims against Mr. Epstein. So Rothstein was manufacturing claims against Epstein claiming that Rothstein represented victims of sex abuse by Epstein.
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+6 7 8 9 10 Rothstein was then selling participation interests in these lawsuits and was going around southern Florida telling people, if you invest X amount of dollars in this particular lawsuit against Epstein, I'm going to give you a return of X on your money.
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 It's unbelievable, but those are the allegations, and that's what Mr. Rothstein was convicted of. So there are a number of fake plaintiffs that were created by Mr. Rothstein and in the complaint alleging that Mr. participated in this conduct, and then that is why Mr. Rothstein ended up in prison.
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+17 18 The relevance to this, your Honor, here -- again, I go back to Mr. is sort of a central hub, in my view.
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+19 20 THE COURT: Just for the sake of argument, let's assume that was in the middle of that scheme.
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+21 So what in my case?
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+22 23 MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, is listed as a witness in your case, your Honor.
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+24 THE COURT: I beg your pardon?
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+25 MR. PAGLIUCA: He is listed as a witness.
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+1 2 3 4 THE COURT: He's not going to testify. I can't imagine that he's going to testify. I was unaware of that. We all know about lawyers testifying. So I would think it highly unlikely that he would testify.
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+5 6 7 8 9 10 11 MR. PAGLIUCA: You may recall some year ago, your Honor, when Mr. and Mr. Cassell moved to enter this case and enter their appearance. I put in the pleading I anticipated they were going to be witnesses, and you said, rightly at the time, we'll take that up when we get there because you can't disqualify them now on a future anticipated witness.
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+12 13 14 THE COURT: You're saying if he testifies, you think this might be -- okay. I can see that certainly would bear on his credibility, etc., etc., if he testifies.
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+15 16 MR. PAGLIUCA: Mr. represents a number of witnesses in this case.
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+17 18 THE COURT: Whatever he is as a lawyer, that's one thing.
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+19 20 21 22 MR. PAGLIUCA: What I'm getting at, your Honor, is that there is a central hub here, in my view. That hub ends up likely, the argument is, disseminating information to others like the plaintiff in this case.
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+23 24 25 One of the main issues in this case is -- and you've seen it attached to all the pleadings. There are the Palm Beach police reports that relate to a 2005-2007 time frame
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+2 3 4 And you've seen this in the police reports and in the pleadings. You don't see my client's name in those police reports as being involved as a target of that investigation.
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+5 6 7 8 9 The question then becomes the plaintiff in this case who leaves the country well before any of this surfaces. So what's the source of the information that she is then disseminating to the media and to the CVRA litigation which results in the denial which then results in this lawsuit.
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+10 11 12 13 14 15 16 There is certainly a reasonable inference that the conduit of the information is the lawyer that's at the center of all of this. That is fair game and fair cross-examination, not only of Mr. should he testify, but also of the plaintiff. Where did you get this from? Why are you saying this? Isn't it true that your lawyer who has represented you since 2011 has had access to all of this information?
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+17 THE COURT: Do you intend to call him?
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+18 19 20 21 MR. PAGLIUCA: We very well may, your Honor. We very well may. That's why we put him as a witness on our pretrial order. I'm not trying to be coy about this because I try to think through these things.
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+22 23 24 25 One of the problems you have as a defendant in a case is I'm not exactly sure what I'm going to need to do until I get there. So I try to anticipate the problems or what I need to be able to do that so somebody doesn't say, gee, you didn't
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+2 3 4 5 When you look at all the tentacles that go out from Mr. participation in these various litigations, that's the source of the information, and I need to be able to look at it.
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+6 7 8 9 10 11 Now, your Honor made a ruling that I would suggest to your Honor is very similar. Both Mr. Cassell and Mr. in categories 1 and 2 were required to produce the documents in the and Cassell v. Dershowitz litigations. It's sort of the same notion here, that these folks are all involved in all of the underbelly of all of this.
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+12 13 THE COURT: This issue certainly did not come up in the Dershowitz.
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+14 15 16 17 18 MR. PAGLIUCA: It did not. This is a separate issue. Correct. That's why Mr. Cassell was not subpoenaed for that information, because he was not the defendant in that litigation, which was Mr. was the defendant, Epstein against
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+19 20 21 22 23 So that's the reason why at least I believe that's discoverable, your Honor. They say that it's burdensome. It's really not burdensome. Mr. was separately represented. He was represented by a competent lawyer. They will have electronic files of these things that can be produced.
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+24 THE COURT: Parenthetically, he's not here.
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+25 MR. PAGLIUCA: He's not here today. Correct. 1 2 MR. CASSELL: I'm sorry to interrupt, but I'm here representing Mr. today.
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+3 4 5 6 MR. POTTINGER: Mr. Scarola is not here, which is a very good point, your Honor. I didn't even dawn on that. Mr. Scarola entered his appearance in Florida on behalf of Mr.
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+7 8 9 10 I don't think he's entered his appearance here. I'm happy to have Mr. Cassell represent Mr. • Interests to move this along, but it is a good point that the lawyer that was on the paper in Florida is not here today.
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+11 12 THE COURT: If he's represented -- and I'm told he is --
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+13 MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, I can move along here.
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+14 THE COURT: So that's 3, 4, and 5.
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+15 What was the next?
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+16 17 18 19 MR. PAGLIUCA: You have resolved 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11. That's either by it's already been produced or you denied the production. So that's no longer in issue. 6 through 11 are no longer at issue.
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 The next item that's at issue is 12. I think this is a fairly discreet item, your Honor, and I suspect that the answer is there are no documents responsive. I haven't heard that yet, but 12 relates to disclosures from Mr. to the plaintiff in this case under the Florida Rules of Professional Conduct.
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 The objection to this is attorney-client privilege. I'm not asking for anything that's privileged. I'm asking for disclosure documents of the type that would be associated with a fee agreement, for example. If they don't have any, they don't have any, and I'm happy to accept that representation, whether they do or they don't, as concluding that.
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+7 8 9 10 If they have something that they think is privileged, I'm simply going to suggest that they put it on a log, and the Court can make that determination. That's a very discreet item, number 12.
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+11 THE COURT: Okay.
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+12 13 14 15 16 MR. PAGLIUCA: Number 13 has been resolved. You denied this request as part of the Cassell subpoena. 14 has never been contested. So i assume someone will respond, and maybe we don't have any of these documents or not, but it's not contested.
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+17 18 19 20 15 has been resolved by your Honor in the Cassell order. 16, 17, and 18 have not been contested. So I'm assuming they will either be produced or they don't have any of these documents.
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+21 22 23 24 25 19 and 20 have been contested. 19 and 20 are requests. 19 is any letter or communication from you to any witness or prospective witness in this case, v. Maxwell. And 20 is any letter or communication to you from any witness or prospective witness in v. Maxwell. I don't
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+1 2 3 understand the objection to this, quite frankly. What I'm asking for are written communications from Mr. to prospective witnesses in this matter.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 I know that Mr. has written to witnesses soliciting their participation in this case, and I know that witnesses have responded. I have not been produced any of that information, and we've subpoenaed it. Frankly, I think it should have been produced as part of the underlying request for production of documents in this case. When it wasn't, we subpoenaed it from Mr.
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 17 It's not privileged because it's a communication to a third party. It's not work product because it's a communication to a third party. To the extent that Mr. conveys facts or makes representations or promises in these communications, they are discoverable substantively and potentially usable, either as impeachment or for additional discovery, should those witnesses testify.
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+18 19 20 21 22 I can't understand how this would be burdensome on anyone. If you write someone a letter, you keep it in a file, electronically no doubt, and you say, here are the letters that I've written, and here are the communications I've gotten back. That's it, your Honor. Thank you.
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+23 24 25 MR. CASSELL: Thank you, your Honor. Let me describe a little bit about this Florida lawsuit since I think this is the first time it's shown up on your docket here, and that's, I
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+1 2 think, an indication of how removed it is from this particular case.
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+3 4 5 6 7 What happened was Mr. Epstein, unhappy with the fact that Brad and I guess me as well had been representing a number of victims of his sexual assault organization, filed a frivolous lawsuit against Brad saying he was making up claims.
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+8 9 10 11 responded with a counterclaim saying, these are not frivolous claims, and indeed this is a malicious prosecution designed to burden me from my representation of victims of your sex-trafficking organization.
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+12 13 14 Mr. then moved for summary judgment on the claim against him, and the day before the summary judgment motion was to be argued, Epstein dropped his claim.
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+15 16 17 18 All that remains now is the against Epstein malicious prosecution claim, that you filed a bogus lawsuit against me to try to keep me from representing these young women who have been the victims of your sex abuse.
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+19 20 21 22 23 And the trial court judge allowed that case to move forward and allowed there to be a punitive damages claim which requires a specialized finding in Florida law that the claims have in fact so much merit that punitive damages might be appropriate.
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+24 25 However, under a Florida Court of Appeals decision that came out while the litigation was going on, which appeared 1 2 3 to abolish the tort of malicious prosecution in Florida, ' case was thrown out based on this Florida Court of Appeals decision.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 It went up to the Florida Court of Appeals, which reaffirmed its earlier decision, and then it went to the Florida Supreme Court which, not surprisingly, unanimously held about three weeks ago that yes, the tort of malicious prosecution, including punitive damages, still exists in Florida.
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+10 THE COURT: I'm sorry. Say it again.
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+11 12 13 14 MR. CASSELL: The Florida Supreme Court ruled unanimously that a malicious prosecution tort still exists in Florida, and implicitly that means that ' malicious prosecution claim against Epstein can move forward.
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+15 16 17 18 The only thing that's going on is ' lawsuit against Epstein saying, you were trying to shut me down as a lawyer representing these women because you knew these were legitimate claims, and this was a malicious prosecution.
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+19 20 21 22 The Florida Supreme Court ruling, by the way, was not in the v. Epstein case. It was in a parallel case, but the issues were overlapping and I think essentially consolidated or held together because they're the same issues.
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+23 24 25 So now, under the trial court's order that's in place in the counterclaim against Epstein, as soon as the Florida Supreme Court disposes of the pending motion to
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+1 2 3 4 reconsider, which Epstein has filed to kind of slow things down, in our opinion, once that happens, there will be a trial within 60 days on the punitive damages and other claims against Epstein. So that's that lawsuit.
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+5 6 7 8 Let's understand a couple things about that lawsuit. Epstein filed that lawsuit against in 2009. I think it's undisputed the first time Mr. had any contact with was 2011.
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 So the lawsuit is two years prior, was filed two years prior to anything having to do with contact between . Of course, the events that are central to this case occurred in late December/early January 2014/2015, which was, if I'm doing my math correctly, about six years after the lawsuit was filed.
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+15 16 17 So now the issue is, okay. What's going on here. In our view -- I'll be very candid here. We believe that this is an effort to distract Mr. from preparing for trial.
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+18 19 20 21 Our trial team that has been assembled for this very complicated case will be headed by David Boies of the Boies, Schiller law firm, his partner Sigrid Mc Cawley in Florida, and Brad
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+22 23 24 25 Those are going to be the three central figures on our trial team, and Mr. has critical pieces of the case. My understanding is, for example, he'll be handling the examination of Ms. Maxwell.
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+2 3 4 MR. CASSELL: That's our position. We believe the only reason this litigation is going on is to try to knock out the key person who knows the most about this case.
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+5 6 7 8 9 10 Your Honor has seen this before. The reported decisions are filled with, you know, lawyers moving to call a lawyer as a witness and what have you. The reason that they're doing that is to try to disrupt the preparations of the opposing side in the case. For example, they could call me as a witness, but they don't want to call me.
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+11 12 THE COURT: So your representation is that he is going to be an active participation in the trial.
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+13 14 15 MR. CASSELL: There are lawyers. He's going to be handling, for example, my understanding is the direct and cross-examination of Maxwell.
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+16 THE COURT: That's the representation.
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+17 18 19 20 21 22 23 MR. CASSELL: Yes. That's the representation. Mr. Boies has gotten involved in the case in the last year or two. Mr. has the institutional knowledge. Think about it. If you're on the defense team, who do you want to knock out of the lawyers here. You don't want to knock out some law professor from Utah. You want to knock out someone who is intimately familiar with the witnesses.
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+24 25 THE COURT: Is there anything else you want to tell me?
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+1 2 3 4 5 MR. CASSELL: Yes. So, with regard to 3, 4, and 5, the issue is should he be required to produce these documents in this lawsuit that was filed in 2009. You have in front of you an uncontested declaration from Mr. which indicates --
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+6 THE COURT: How about 19 and 20?
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+7 8 9 10 11 12 13 MR. CASSELL: Let's turn to 19 and 20. In the letter to any perspective witness -- lawyers contact witnesses in cases, and you generally don't get discovery about we haven't subpoenaed them to say any time you've called up a witness, let us know and give us all your communications with them. That would have a chilling effect on lawyers doing their job with respect to contacting witnesses.
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+14 15 16 17 You'll notice too the way this is phrased. It says any letter or any communication. Mr. would have to go through all of his emails, all of his phone logs, and you'll notice the indication is "any prospective witness."
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 there have been, I suppose, I think several hundred prospective witnesses that have been identified, and I think that the idea here is to burden Mr. with trying to figure out who are prospective witnesses, has he had any contact with them, is there some email in either his current law firm or his old law firm that indicated some --
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+24 25 THE COURT: So you're not telling me that there is anything improper except the statement that you just made,
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+2 Has anybody said that besides you?
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+3 4 5 6 7 8 MR. CASSELL: That's what we've argued in our papers on this, as I recall. Let's see. At page 19 of our moving motion to quash, we have said that, "Most important, like the other requests the subpoena makes, this request appears to be exclusively designed to burden Mr. . Defendant Maxwell is certainly free to depose any witness --"
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+9 10 THE COURT: I take a look at your reply, and I don't see anything about 20 in the reply.
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 MR. CASSELL: Let me see how the course of the briefing went on this. There is a three-sentence response from a defendant at page 16 of their response. I'm now looking. I think maybe we just thought the issues were sufficiently well briefed that we wouldn't provide an additional argumentation above and beyond.
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+17 THE COURT: Do you want to add anything now?
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+18 MR. CASSELL: Yes, I do, your Honor.
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+19 THE COURT: Okay. Let's do this --
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+20 MR. CASSELL: I'll file something by Monday on this.
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+21 22 THE COURT: It's your motion. So I think, if you want to file something in addition with respect to 20 --
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+23 MR. CASSELL: And 19 I think, 19 and 20.
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+24 THE COURT: What's the difference between 19 and 20?
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+25 MR. CASSELL: I'm not certain.
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+1 2 3 MR. PAGLIUCA: 19 is outgoing letters; 20 is incoming letters, your Honor. So it's whatever goes out and whatever comes back.
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+4 THE COURT: So they're the same.
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+5 You want to file something. When?
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+6 7 MR. CASSELL: We'll file it on Monday, if that's all right.
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+8 9 THE COURT: So the defendant is going to get additional time. Monday to when from the defense?
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+10 11 MR. PAGLIUCA: A week from Monday would be fine. I'm going to be back here on Thursday.
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+12 THE COURT: Thursday?
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+13 MR. PAGLIUCA: Thursday is fine, your Honor.
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+14 MR. CASSELL: Is that for the argument?
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+15 16 THE COURT: Is there anything else you all want to add?
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+17 18 MR. CASSELL: Is that being set for argument next Thursday then?
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+19 THE COURT: No, not as far as I'm concerned.
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+20 MR. CASSELL: Just the briefing. All right.
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+21 22 23 24 25 THE COURT: If you want to give me some authorities and something, that might help. What I'm hearing from the defendant is that aside from this business of burdening , which that I don't pay much attention to -- lawyers burden lawyers, and that's life. So that doesn't cut any ice 1 2 3 with me, frankly. I'm being told that there is no basis for objecting, and you say, there is, but I don't see any authority for it.
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+4 5 6 7 MR. CASSELL: All right. If we could provide a brief. If I could just say one thing about lawyers burdening lawyers. Typically what you're saying is lawyers are saying they're really busy. These are subpoenas asking for Mr.
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+8 9 THE COURT: I understand what they are. I understand what they are, but you're not saying that it's irrelevant.
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+10 MR. CASSELL: We are saying it's irrelevant.
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+11 12 THE COURT: You didn't say it was irrelevant. The first word "irrelevant" came out of my mouth, not yours.
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+13 MR. CASSELL: What we've set out in our brief --
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+14 15 16 THE COURT: It seems to me that as to work product, I don't know. I can imagine that there may very well be a work product privilege.
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+17 MR. CASSELL: The reason we didn't put that --
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+18 THE COURT: But that hasn't been briefed either.
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+19 20 21 22 MR. CASSELL: What we put in our initial paper was we thought that this was going to be resolved on burdensome grounds, burdensomeness grounds, and that we reserved the right then to do the additional, if your Honor --
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+23 24 THE COURT: Fine. So we've got these additional grounds that you want to advance.
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+25 We've still got 3, 4, and 5 that I have to resolve.
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+2 3 THE COURT: As far as 19 and 20 are concerned, we'll split that off, and you can argue that next week.
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+4 MR. CASSELL: All right.
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+5 MR. PAGLIUCA: That's fine, your Honor.
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+6 7 MR. CASSELL: I think we were going to also see about possibly moving next week?
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+8 MR. PAGLIUCA: No.
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+9 THE COURT: Is there anything else?
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+10 MR. CASSELL: Not for today, your Honor. Thank you.
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+11 MR. PAGLIUCA: No. Thank you.
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+12 13 14 THE COURT: Thanks. I almost forgot. When are we going to get together to determine how we're going to try this thing with respect to the protective order?
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+15 16 17 18 19 MR. PAGLIUCA: I believe you entered an order, your Honor, saying we're going to talk about that next Thursday is my recollection. So I will be prepared to do that next Thursday. I'm hoping to talk to plaintiff's counsel before then.
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+20 21 Thanks. THE COURT: Work it out if you can. Okay. Good.
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+IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
+FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+[REDACTED]
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+USA / Plaintiff(s)
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+v.
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+GHISLAINE MAXWELL
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+Defendant(s)
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+)
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+Case No.: 15CV7433
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+NOTICE OF FILING OF OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT
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+Notice is hereby given that an official transcript of a CONFERENCE held on 3/9/17 has been filed by the court reporter/transcriber in the above-captioned matter.
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+Redaction responsibilities apply to the attorneys of record or pro se parties, even if the person requesting the transcript is a judge or a member of the public or media.
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+The parties have seven (7) calendar days from the date of filing of this NOTICE to file with the court any NOTICE OF INTENT TO REQUEST REDACTION of this transcript. A copy of said NOTICE must also be served on the court reporter. If no such NOTICE is filed, the transcript may be made remotely electronically available to the public without redaction after ninety (90) calendar days.
+
+This process may only be used to redact the following personal data identifiers: Social Security numbers; dates of birth; minors' names; and financial account numbers. See Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 5.2, and Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 49.1. Parties wishing to request redaction of other information may proceed by motion.
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+I (we) certify that the foregoing is a correct transcript from the record of proceedings in the above-entitled matter.
+
+/s KELLY SURINA
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+Court Reporter/Transcriber
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+\_\_\_\_\_
+Date
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+GHISLAINE MAXWELL,
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+Plaintiff,
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+Index No. 1:15-cv-7433(RWS)
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+## STIPULATION AND [PROPOSED] ORDER VACATING CIVIL CONTEMPT FINDING AND ORDER AS TO
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+x
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+WHEREAS on September 15, 2016, this Court ordered, inter alia, that non-party witness be directed to appear for deposition; and
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+WHEREAS on January 17, 2017, non-party witness (formerly known as ) did appear as directed for deposition held at the office of Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP, located at 575 Lexington Avenue, New York, New York;
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+THEREFORE, IT IS HEREBY STIPULATED AND AGREED, by and among the parties through their undersigned counsel, that the Plaintiff's Motion for a Finding of Civil Contempt against shall be withdrawn without costs to any party; and
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+IT IS FURTHER STIPULATED AND AGREED, by and among the parties, subject to the Order of the Court, that the Order dated September 15, 2016 [Docket No. 433], as to [REDACTED] shall be vacated in its entirety.
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+Dated: New York, New York
+March 17, 2017
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+/s/ [REDACTED] James [REDACTED]
+[REDACTED] James [REDACTED], Esq.
+[REDACTED], Jaffe, Weissing, [REDACTED],
+Fistos, Lehrman, P.L.
+425 N. Andrews Ave., Suite 2
+Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301
+(954) 524-2820
+(954) 524-2822 (fax)
+Brad@pathotojustice.com
+Attorney for Plaintiff
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+/s/ Jeffrey S. Pagliuca
+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca, Esq.
+Haddon [REDACTED] and [REDACTED]
+150 East 10th Avenue
+Denver, Colorado 80203
+(303) 831-7364
+(303) 832-2628 (fax)
+jpagliuca@hmflaw.com
+Attorney for Defendant
+
+/s/ Erica T. Dubno
+Erica T. Dubno, Esq.
+FAHRINGER & DUBNO
+767 Third Avenue, Suite 3600
+New York, New York 10017
+(212) 319-5351
+(212) 319-6657 (fax)
+erica.dubno@fahringerlaw.com
+Attorney for Non-Party [REDACTED]
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+So Ordered:
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+N•DDON N
+
+March 17, 2017
+
+## Via Email
+
+Hon. Robert W. Sweet United States District Judge United States District Court Daniel Moynihan Courthouse Southern District of New York 500 Pearl Street, Room 1940 New York, Ncw York 10007-1312
+
+Haddon, and cc Laura A. Manning\*:
+
+15D East I 0th Avenue Denver-CI:pada 80203 vH 303.831.7364 'xi 303.832.2628 www.hmflaw.com ImennItverehmticrw.com
+
+USDC SDNY DOCUMENT
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+ELEC,TRONICALIY FTLED
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+DOC #:
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+DATE I 'ILED. 4.-20 -1
+
+Re: v. Maxwell. 15-cv-07433-RWS
+
+Dear Judge Sweet:
+
+By this letter motion, counsel for Ms. Maxwell hereby requests that the Court permit the filing of Ms. Maxwell's Response in Opposition to Plaintiff's Omnibus Motion in Limine in excess of the 25 pages permitted pursuant to this Court's Practice Standard 2D.
+
+As grounds, she further avers as follows: Plaintiff's Omnibus Motion was 45 pages in length and the issues presented therein require more than 25 pages in order to properly respond. Ms. Maxwell requests leave of the Court to therefore respond within 36 pages.
+
+Sincerely,
+
+HADDON, AND P.C.
+
+/s/ Laura A. Menninger Laura A. Menninger
+
+> Ce 3 to .t,
+
+I
+
+Hon. Robert W. Sweet March 17, 2017 Page 2
+
+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on March 17, 2017, I electronically served this LETTER MOTION via ELECTRONIC MAIL on the following:
+
+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+Si JAFFE, WEISSING, ~, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Ave., Ste. 2 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 brad@pathtojustice.com
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+Paul G. Cassell 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112 cassellp®law.utah.edu
+
+J. Stanley Poltinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
+
+/s/ Nicole
+
+Nicole
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+HADDON MORGAN FOREMAN
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+March 17, 2017
+
+## Via Email
+
+Hon. Robert W. Sweet United States District Judge United States District Court Daniel Moynihan Courthouse Southern District of New York 500 Pearl Street, Room 1940 New York, New York 10007-1312
+
+Haddon. and Mt r.c JeHtey S. Poallvea
+
+150 East 10th Avenve Denver. Colorado 80203 M. 303.831.7364 cx 303.832.2628 voww.hmflow.com 1Paglivaiehmbow.a0m
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+L-----::.-- - \_ H utiOC SDNY l
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+i DOCUMENT
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+ELECTRONICALLY DOC FILED to:
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+DATE FILED:
+
+Re: v. Mans ell, 15-cv-07433-R WS
+
+Dear Judge Sweet:
+
+This is an unopposed letter motion for an extension of time in which Defendant requests to file a Response to Plaintiff's Renewed Motion to Compel Data from Defendant's Undisclosed Email Account and for an Adverse Inference Instruction (Doc. 659) and Plaintiff's Motion In Limine to Preclude Defendant from Calling Plaintiff's Attorneys as Witnesses at Trial (Doc. 685), filed on March 3, 2017. An additional week is necessary to adequately brief the issues raised within that motion.
+
+This Court previously has ordered that all motions filed on March 3, 2017, will be heard on March 30, 2017 at noon. (Doc. 661). Counsel for Ms. Maxwell has conferred Ns ith counsel for Plaintiff and are in agreement to the one-week extension.
+
+Accordingly, Ms. Maxwell respectfully requests that she be permitted to submit her responses by March 23, 2017.
+
+> co-c\_e\_t/ ft, / 7
+
+Hon. Robert W. Sweet March 17, 2017 Page 2
+
+Sincerely,
+
+HADDON, AND 00.1 P.C.
+
+/s/ Jeffrey S. Pagliuca
+
+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca
+
+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on March 17, 2017, I electronically served this LETTER MOTION via ELECTRONIC MAIL on the following:
+
+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith BOIES, SCIIII.LER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsflIp.com msehultz@bsflIp.com
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+Paul G. Cassell 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112 cassclIp@law.utah.edu
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+.1. Stanley Pottingcr 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
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+Is/ Nicole
+
+Nicole
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+March 17, 2017
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+**VIA ECF**
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+Hon. Robert W. Sweet
+United States District Judge
+United States District Court
+Daniel [REDACTED] Moynihan Courthouse
+Southern District of New York
+500 Pearl Street, Room 1940
+New York, New York 10007-1312
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+Re: [REDACTED] v. Maxwell,
+**Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS**
+
+
+
+Dear Judge Sweet:
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+This is an unopposed letter motion for an extension of time in which [REDACTED] requests to file a Response to (1) Defendant's Motion to Bifurcate Trial Relating to Punitive Damages and Exclusion of any Reference to Defendant's Financial Information in the Liability Phase (DE 662); (2) Defendant's Motion *in Limine* to Prohibit Questioning Regarding Defendant's Adult Consensual Sexual Activities (DE 665); and (3) Defendant's Motion *in Limine* to Exclude Evidence Barred as a Result of Plaintiff's Summary Judgment Concessions (DE 666). An additional three business days is necessary to adequately brief the issues raised within these motions.
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+Counsel for [REDACTED] has conferred with counsel for Defendant and are in agreement to this three-business-day extension.
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+Accordingly, [REDACTED] respectfully requests that she be permitted to submit her responses by March 22, 2017.
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+Respectfully submitted,
+
+![]()*So order &
+Sweet
+USDJ
+3-20-17*
+
+SSM:akc
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+cc: Counsel of Record
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+#### UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+Plaintiff
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+Case No. 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+## HEARING REQUESTED
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+Ghislaine Maxwell, Defendant
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+## IM MIEPLY TO PLAINTIFF'S RESPONSE TO HIS MOTION TO QUASH TRIAL SUBPOENA
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+Jack Alan Goldberger Atterbury, Goldberger & Weiss, P.A. 250 Australian Avenue South, #1400 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 (561) 659-8305 (561) 835-8691 (fax) jgoldberger@agwpa.com
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+# . Weinber
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+G. Weinberg 20 Park Plaza, Suite 1000 Boston, Massachusetts 02116 (617) 227-3700 (617) 338-9538 (fax) owlingweeattnet
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+#### CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+L= G. Weinberg, hereby certify that on this 21st day of March, 2017, I electronically filed the foregoing Motion with the Clerk of the Court using the CM/ECF system, thus effecting service on counsel of record:
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+Sigrid McCauley Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Bivd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301
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+Jeffrey S. Pagliucca Laura A. Menninger Haddon, and 150 East Tenth Ave. Denver CO 80203 P.C.
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+James Jaffe, Weissing. 425 N. Andrews Ave., Suite 2 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 Fistos, Lehrman, P.L.
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+Paul G. Cassell S.J. Quinney College of Law At The University of Utah 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0730
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+Sigrid McCawley, Esq. Aificcawlev@bsfilp.com
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+March 21, 2017
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+## VIA ECF
+
+Hon. Robert W. Sweet United States District Judge United States District Court Daniel Moynihan Courthouse Southern District of New York 500 Pearl Street, Room 1940 New York, New York 10007-1312
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+> Re: v. Maxwell, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+Dear Judge Sweet:
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+On March 15, 2017, this Court granted Defendant's request for an extension of time until March 23, 2017, to file (1) Defendant's Response to Plaintiff's Motion to Compel Data from Defendant's Undisclosed E-mail Account and for an Adverse Inference Instruction and (2) Defendant's Response to Plaintiff's Motion in Limine to Preclude Defendant from Calling Plaintiff's Attorneys as Witnesses at Trial.
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+Accordingly, Plaintiff requests that she be granted a similar extension of time to file her corresponding reply briefs on April 3, 2017. Plaintiff also requests that the hearing on Plaintiff's Motion to Compel Data from Defendant's Undisclosed E-mail Account and for an Adverse Inference Instruction (DE 659) and (2) Defendant's Response to Plaintiff's Motion in Limine to Preclude Defendant from Calling Plaintiffs Attorneys as Witnesses at Trial (DE 685) be moved from March 30, 2017 to the hearing on April 5, 2017 that was previously set by the Court on other matters. Defendant does not object to the requested extension or the corresponding revision to the hearing date.
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+Plaintiff also requests a one (1) business day extension of time to file her Reply in Support of her Omnibus Motion in Limine to be filed on Monday, March 27, 2017. Defendant does not oppose Plaintiff's requested one (1) business day extension.
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+BSF
+
+Hon. Robert W. Sweet United States District Judge March 21, 2017 Page -2
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+Respectfully submitted,
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+Sigrid Mc • ey, Esq.
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+SSM:akc
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+cc: Counsel of Record
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+## United States District Court Southern District of New York
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+Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+v.
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+Ghislaine Maxwell,
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+Defendant.
+
+## MOTION TO EXCLUDE PROPOSED INTERVENER MICHAEL CERNOVICH D/B/A CERNOVICH MEDIA'S OPPOSITION TO NOTICE OF INTENT TO REQUEST REDACTION OF FEBRAUARY 16, 2017 HEARING TRANSCRIPT IDE 7251
+
+hereby requests that this Court exclude Proposed Intervener Michael Cemovich D/B.A Cemovich Media's Opposition to Notice of Intent to Request Redaction of February 16, 2017 Hearing Transcript.
+
+On January 19, 2017, Mr. Cemovich moved the Court to be allowed to intervene in this case for the purported purpose of publishing confidential materials [DE 550]. This Court has not granted Mr. Cemovich intervention under Rule 24(b).
+
+Accordingly, he is not a party of this litigation, and has no standing to bring the instant motion. See Esther Sadowsky Testamentary Trust v. Federal Housing Finance Agency, 412 Fed.Appx. 361, 363, 2011 WL 744962, at \*1 (2d Cir. March 4, 2011) (third party lacked standing to appeal district court's ruling where the third party's motion to intervene was not granted).
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+Accordingly, for the masons stated above, respectfully requests that this Court Exclude Proposed Intervener's Opposition to Notice of Intent to Request Redaction of the February 16, 2017 Hearing Transcript.
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+Dated: March 21, 2017
+
+Respectfully Submitted,
+
+BOLES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
+
+By: /s/ Meredith
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+Meredith (Pro Hac Vice) Sigrid McCawley (Pro Hac Vice) Boies Schiller & Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+David Boies Boies Schiller & Flexner LLP 333 Main Street Armonk, NY 10504
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+a J.t (Pro Hac Vice) JAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 (954) 524-2820
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+Paul G. Cassell (Pro }lac Vice) S.J. Quinney College of Law University of Utah 383 University St. Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-5202'
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+This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
+
+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
+
+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on the 21st day of March, 2017, I electronically filed the foregoing document with the Clerk of Court by using the CM/ECF system. I also certify that the foregoing document is being served this day on the individuals identified below via transmission of Notices of Electronic Filing generated by CM/ECF.
+
+Laura A. Menninger, Esq. Jeffrey Pali, HADDON, P.C. 150 East 10 Avenue Denver, Colorado 80203 Tel: (303) 831-7364 Fax: (303) 832-2628 Email: Imenningerelunflaw.com jpagliuca@hmflaw.com
+
+> /s/ Meredith Meredith Esq.
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+## United States District Court Southern District of New York
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+Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+Ghislaine Maxwell,
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+## RESPONSE IN OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE EVIDENCE BARRED AS A RESULT OF PLAINTIFF'S JALLEGED1 SUMMARY JUDGMENT CONCESSIONS IDE 6661
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+Sigrid McCawley BOLES SCHILLER FLEXNER LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+## TABLE OF CONTENTS
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+| TABLE OF AUTHORITIES | | ii |
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+| I. | PRELIMINARY STATEMENT OF LAW | 1 |
+| II. | LEGAL ARGUMENT | 2 |
+| III. | CONCLUSION | 10 |
+| CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE | | 11 |
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+## TABLE OF AUTHORITIES
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+| Cases Arlio v. Lively, | Page |
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+| 474 F.3d 46 (2d Cir. 2007) Baxter Diagnostics, Inc. v. Novatek Med., Inc., | 6 |
+| 1998 WL 665138 (S.D.N.Y. Sept. 25, 1998) Carofino v. Forester, | 7 |
+| 450 F. Supp. 2d 257 (S.D.N.Y. 2006) Cowen v. City of Mount Vernon, | 6 |
+| 95 F. Supp. 3d 624 (S.D.N.Y. 2015) v. Costa-Garvas, | 10, 11 |
+| 580 F. Supp. 1082 (S.D.N.Y. 1984) Ferring B.V. v. Allergan, Inc., | 13 |
+| 2016 WL 6441567 (S.D.N.Y. Oct. 28, 2016) Hein v. Cuprum, S.A., | 6 |
+| 2002 WL 34453309 (S.D.N.Y. Jan. 23, 2002) In re WorldCom, Inc. Sec. Litig., | 2, 7 |
+| No. 02 Civ. 3288 (DLC), 2005 WL 578109 (S.D.N.Y. Mar. 4, 2005) NIC Holding Corp. v. Lukoil Pan Americas, | 6 |
+| 2009 WL 996408 (S.D.N.Y. April 14, 2009) Palmieri v. Defaria, | 7 |
+| 88 F.3d 136 (2d Cir. 1996) Rattigan v. Commodore Intl Ltd., | 6 |
+| 1989 WL 151678 (S.D.N.Y. Dec. 8, 1989) v. Incorporated Village of Farmingdale, | 7 |
+| 29 F. Supp. 3d 121 (E.D.N.Y. 2013) | 8 |
+| 2006 WL 3146422 (S.D.N.Y. Oct. 30, 2006) Wheelings v. lacuone, | 7 |
+| 2015 WL 5306602 (D. Conn. Sept. 10, 2015) | 1 |
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+## Statutes
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+# Rules
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+Plaintiff, [REDACTED] hereby files her response in opposition to Defendant's Motion in Limine to Exclude Evidence Barred as a Result of Plaintiff's [Alleged] Summary Judgment Concessions, and states as follows.
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+**I. PRELIMINARY STATEMENT OF LAW**
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+For the reasons stated above, Defendant's motion in its entirety. respectfully asks this Court to deny
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+Dated: March 21, 2017
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+Respectfully Submitted,
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+BOLES SCHILLER FLEXNER LLP
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+By: Is/ Sigrid McCawley
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+Sigrid McCawley (Pro Hac Vice) Boles Schiller Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+David Boies Boles Schiller Flexner LLP 333 Main Street Armonk, NY 10504
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+a J.t (Pro Hac Vice) JAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 (954) 524-2820
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+Paul G. Cassell (Pro Hac Vice) S.J. Quinney College of Law University of Utah 383 University St. Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-52022
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+2 This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
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+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on March 21, 2017, I electronically filed the foregoing document with the Clerk of Court by using the CM/ECF system. I also certify that the foregoing document is being served this day on the individuals identified below via transmission of Notices of Electronic Filing generated by CM/ECF.
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+Laura A. Menninger, Esq. Jeffrey Pagliro, HADDON, & P.C. 150 East 10 Avenue Denver, Colorado 80203 Tel: (303) 831-7364 Fax: (303) 832-2628 Email: Imenningerahmflaw.com jpagliuca@lunflaw.com
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+> /s/ Sigrid S. McCawlev Sigrid S. McCawley
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+GHISLAINE MAXWELL,
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+#### United States District Court Southern District of New York
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+Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+Ghislaine Maxwell,
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+### PLAINTIFF'S RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR BIFURCATED TRIAL RELATING TO PUNITIVE DAMAGES AND EXCLUSION OF REFERENCES TO DEFENDANT'S FINANCIAL INFORMATION
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+Sigrid McCawley BOLES SCHILLER FLEXNER LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+Plaintiff, [REDACTED], by and through her undersigned counsel, hereby files this response in opposition to Defendant's motion *in limine* (DE 662).
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+Respectfully Submitted,
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+BOIES SCHILLER FLEXNER LLP
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+By: /s/ Sigrid McCawley
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+Sigrid McCawley (Pro Hac Vice)
+Meredith [REDACTED] (Pro Hac Vice)
+Boies Schiller Flexner LLP
+401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200
+Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301
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+David Boies
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+[REDACTED] J. [REDACTED] (Pro Hac Vice)
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+425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2
+Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301
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+Paul G. Cassell (Pro Hac Vice)
+S.J. Quinney College of Law
+University of Utah
+383 University St.
+Salt Lake City,
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+UT 84112(801) 585-52025
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+# CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on March 22, 2017, I electronically filed the foregoing document with the Clerk of Court by using the CM/ECF system. I also certify that the foregoing document is being served this day on the individuals identified below via transmission of Notices of Electronic Filing generated by CM/ECF.
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+> Laura A. Menninger, Esq. Jeffrey Fag\*, HADDON, & P.C. 150 East 10 Avenue Denver, Colorado 80203 Tel: (303) 831-7364 Fax: (303) 832-2628 Email: Imenninger@hmflaw.com jpagliuca@hmflaw.com
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+> > /s/ Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCawley, Esq.
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+This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
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+BOIES
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+*B*
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+Sigrid McCawley, Esq.
+[smccawley@bsfllp.com](mailto:smccawley@bsfllp.com)
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+March 21, 2017
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+**VIA ECF**
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+Hon. Robert W. Sweet
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+Daniel [REDACTED] Moynihan Courthouse
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+Re: [REDACTED] v. *Maxwell*,
+**Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS**
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+*Separated
+Sweet
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+3.22-17*
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+Dear Judge Sweet:
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+On March 15, 2017, this Court granted Defendant's request for an extension of time until March 23, 2017, to file (1) Defendant's Response to Plaintiff's Motion to Compel Data from Defendant's Undisclosed E-mail Account and for an Adverse Inference Instruction and (2) Defendant's Response to Plaintiff's Motion in Limine to Preclude Defendant from Calling Plaintiff's Attorneys as Witnesses at Trial.
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+Accordingly, Plaintiff requests that she be granted a similar extension of time to file her corresponding reply briefs on April 3, 2017. Plaintiff also requests that the hearing on Plaintiff's Motion to Compel Data from Defendant's Undisclosed E-mail Account and for an Adverse Inference Instruction (DE 659) and (2) Defendant's Response to Plaintiff's Motion in Limine to Preclude Defendant from Calling Plaintiff's Attorneys as Witnesses at Trial (DE 685) be moved from March 30, 2017 to the hearing on April 5, 2017 that was previously set by the Court on other matters. Defendant does not object to the requested extension or the corresponding revision to the hearing date.
+
+Plaintiff also requests a one (1) business day extension of time to file her Reply in Support of her Omnibus Motion in Limine to be filed on Monday, March 27, 2017. Defendant does not oppose Plaintiff's requested one (1) business day extension.
+
+## BSF
+
+Hon. Robert W. Sweet United States District Judge March 21, 2017 Page -2
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+Respectfully submitted,
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+igrid Mc ey, Esq.
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+SSM:akc
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+cc: Counsel of Record
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+# United States District Court Southern District of New York
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+Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+Ghislaine Maxwell,
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+Defendant.
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+## PLAINTIFF RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO PROHIBIT QUESTIONING REGARDING DEFENDANTS' ADULT CONSENSUAL ACTIVITIES
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+Sigrid McCawley BOLES SCHILLER FLEXNER LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+#### TABLE OF CONTENTS
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+| Cases Jane Does v. United States, | Page |
+|-----------------------------------------------------------|--------|
+| No. 9:08-cv-80736-ICAM (S.D. Fla. Dec. 30, 2014) Statutes | 11, 16 |
+| 18 U.S.C. § 1591 | 8 |
+| 18 U.S.C. § 2421 Rules | 8 |
+| Fed. R. Evid. 401 | 18 |
+| Fed. R. Evid. 403 | 18 |
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+Plaintiff, respectfully submits this memorandum of law in response and opposition to Defendant's Motion to Prohibit Questioning Regarding Defendant's Adult Consensual Activities.
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+For all of the foregoing reasons, respectfully requests that the Court deny Defendant's motion in limine and permit her to question Defendant about her relevant alleged consensual adult activities.
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+Dated: March 22, 2017 Respectfully Submitted,
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+BOLES SCHILLER FLEXNER LLP
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+By: /s/ Sigrid McCawlev
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+Sigrid McCawley (Pro Hac Vice) Boies Schiller Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+David Boies Boies Schiller Flexner LLP 333 Main Street Armonk, NY 10504
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+at (Pro Hac Vice) JAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 (954) 524-2820
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+Paul G. Cassell (Pro Hac Vice) S.J. Quinney College of Law University of Utah 383 University St. Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-52022
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+2 This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
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+#### CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on March 22, 2017, I electronically filed the foregoing document with the Clerk of Court by using the CM/ECF system. I also certify that the foregoing document is being served this day on the individuals identified below via transmission of Notices of Electronic Filing generated by CM/ECF.
+
+Laura A. Menninger, Esq. Jeffrey Paglioa l HADDON, & 150 East 10 Avenue Denver, Colorado 80203 Tel: (303) 831-7364 Fax: (303) 832-2628 Email: Imenningerahmflaw.com ipagliuca@lunflaw.com , P.C.
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+/s/ Sigrid S. McCawley Sigrid S. McCawley
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+## United States District Court Southern District of New York
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+Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+v.
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+Ghislaine Maxwell,
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+Defendant.
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+## DECLARATION OF SIGRID MCCAWLEY IN SUPPORT OF PLAINTIFF'S RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO PROHIBIT QUESTIONING REGARDING DEFENDANT'S ADULT CONSENSUAL ACTIVITIES
+
+I, Sigrid McCawley, declare that the below is true and correct to the best of my knowledge as follows:
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+- 1. I am a Partner with the law firm of Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP duly licensed to practice in Florida and before this Court pursuant to this Court's Order granting my Application to Appear Pro Hac Vice.
+ - 2. I respectfully submit this Declaration in Support of Plaintiff's Response to Defendant's Motion to Prohibit Questioning Regarding Defendant's Adult Consensual Activities.
+ - 3. Attached hereto as Sealed Composite Exhibit 1 is a true and correct copy of
+ - 4. Attached hereto as Sealed Exhibit 2 is a true and correct copy of
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+1 declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
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+Dated: March 22, 2017
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+Respectfully Submitted,
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+BOLES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
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+By: Is/ Sigrid McCawley
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+Sigrid McCaS (Pro Hac Vice)
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+Meredith (Pro Hac Vice)
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+Boies Schiller & Flexner LLP
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+401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200
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+Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301
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+(954) 356-0011
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+David Boies
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+Boies Schiller & Flexner LLP
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+333 Main Street
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+Armonk, NY 10504
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+a J. (Pro Hac Vice)
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+JAFFE, WEISSING,
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+FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L.
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+425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2
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+Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301
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+(954) 524-2820
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+Paul G. Cassell (Pro Hac Vice)
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+S.J. Quinney College of Law
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+University of Utah
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+383 University St.
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+Salt Lake City, UT 84112
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+(801) 585-5202'
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+This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
+
+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on the 22nd day of March 2017, I electronically filed the foregoing document with the Clerk of Court by using the CM/ECF system. I also certify that the foregoing document is being served to all parties of record via transmission of the Electronic Court Filing System generated by CM/ECF.
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+Laura A. Menninger, Esq. Jeffrey Niglio'. HADDON, & 150 East 10 Avenue Denver, Colorado 80203 Tel: (303) 831-7364 Fax: (303) 832-2628 Email: Imennintterehmflaw.com jpagliuca@hmflaw.com , P.C.
+
+> /s/ Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCawley
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+# United States District Court Southern District of New York
+
+Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
+
+v.
+
+Ghislaine Maxwell,
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+Defendant.
+
+## PLAINTIFF'S REPLY IN SUPPORT OF HER MOTION TO PRESENT TESTIMONY FR OBTAINING AN ADVERSE INFERENCE INSTRUCTION
+
+Sigrid McCawley BOLES SCHILLER FLEXNER LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
+
+Plaintiff [REDACTED], by and through her undersigned counsel, hereby files this Reply in Support of her Motion *in Limine* to Present Testimony from [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] for Purposes of Obtaining an Adverse Inference Instruction.
+
+**PRELIMINARY STATEMENT**
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+**ARGUMENT**
+
+**I.**
+
+[REDACTED]
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+**A.**
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+B. [Redacted]
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+C. [REDACTED]
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+D. [REDACTED]
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+E. [REDACTED]
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+
+II.
+
+[REDACTED]
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+[REDACTED]
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+[REDACTED]
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+[REDACTED]
+
+**III.**
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+[REDACTED]
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+IV. [REDACTED]
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+[REDACTED]
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+[REDACTED]
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+[REDACTED]
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+[REDACTED]
+
+**CONCLUSION**
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+For all of the foregoing reasons, [REDACTED] respectfully requests that the Court grant [REDACTED] Motion *in Limine* to Present Testimony from [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] for Purposes of Obtaining an Adverse Inference Instruction, and accordingly deny Defendant's competing motion.
+
+March 23, 2017
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+Respectfully Submitted,
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+BOIES SCHILLER FLEXNER LLP
+
+By: /s/ Sigrid McCawley
+Sigrid McCawley (Pro Hac Vice)
+Meredith [REDACTED] (Pro Hac Vice)
+Boies Schiller Flexner LLP
+401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200
+Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301
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+(954) 356-0011
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+David Boies Boies Schiller Flexner LLP 333 Main Street Armonk, NY 10504
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+(Pro Hac Vice) JAFFE, WEISSING, , FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 (954) 524-2820
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+Paul G. Cassell (Pro Hac Vice) S.J. Quinney College of Law University of Utah 383 University St. Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801)585-5202'
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+# CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on this 23rd day of March, 2017, I electronically filed the foregoing document with the Clerk of Court by using the CM/ECF system. I also certify that the foregoing document is being served to all parties of record via transmission of the Electronic Court Filing System generated by CM/ECF.
+
+Laura A. Menninger, Esq. Jeffrey Pail, HADDON, & 150 East 10 Avenue Denver, Colorado 80203 Tel: (303) 831-7364 Fax: (303) 832-2628 Email: Imenninger@hmflaw.com jpagliuca@hmflaw.com , P.C.
+
+This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
+
+bil Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCawley
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+# APPENDIX A
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+## United States District Court Southern District of New York
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+Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+v.
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+Ghislaine Maxwell,
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+Defendant.
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+## DECLARATION OF SIGRID MCCAWLEY IN SUPPORT OF PLAINTIFF'S REPLY IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO PRESENT TESTIMONY FROM AND FOR PURPOSES OF OBTAINING AN ADVERSE INFERENCE INSTRUCTION
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+I, Sigrid McCawley, declare that the below is true and correct to the best of my knowledge as follows:
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+- 1. I am a Partner with the law firm of Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP and duly licensed to practice in Florida and before this Court pursuant to this Court's Order granting my Application to Appear Pro Hac Vice.
+ - 2. I respectfully submit this Declaration in Support of Plaintiff's Reply to Motion to Present Testimony of and for Purposes of Obtaining an Adverse Inference Instruction.
+ - 3. Attached hereto as Sealed Composite Exhibit I are true and correct copies of
+ - 4. Attached hereto as Sealed Exhibit 2 is a true and correct copy of
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+I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
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+/s/ Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCawley, Esq.
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+Dated: March 23, 2017.
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+Respectfully Submitted,
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+BOLES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
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+By: /s/ Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCassi,le (Pro Hac Vice) Meredith (Pro Hac Vice) Boies Schiller & Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+> David Boies Boies Schiller & Flexner LLP 333 Main Street Armonk, NY 10504
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+niJ.t (Pro Hac Vice) JAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 (954) 524-2820
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+Paul G. Cassell (Pro Hac Vice) S.J. Quinney College of Law University of Utah 383 University St. Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-52021
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+I This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
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+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on the 23rd day of March 2017, I electronically filed the foregoing document with the Clerk of Court by using the CM/ECF system. I also certify that the foregoing document is being served to all parties of record via transmission of the Electronic Court Filing System generated by CM/ECF.
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+Laura A. Menninger, Esq.
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+Jeffrey Paglitoas i
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+HADDON, & , P.C.
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+150 East 10 Avenue
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+Denver, Colorado 80203
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+Tel: (303) 831-7364
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+Fax: (303) 832-2628
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+Email: Imenningerehmflaw.com
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+jpagliuca@hmflaw.com
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+/s/ Sigrid McCawley
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+Sigrid McCawley
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+### UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
+
+X
+
+Plaintiff. v.
+
+GHISLAINE MAXWELL.
+
+Defendant.
+
+X
+
+15-cv-07433-RWS
+
+### Defendant's Response In Opposition To Plaintiff's Motion In !inane To Preclude Defendant From Calling Plaintiff's Attorneys As Witnesses At Trial
+
+Laura A. Menninger Jeffrey S. Pagliuca Ty Gee HADDON, AND P.C. 150 East 10' Avenue Denver. CO 80203 303.831.7364
+
+# PAGES 1-10
+
+# REDACTED
+
+Dated: March 23, 2017
+
+Respectfully submitted,
+
+/s/ Jeffrey S. Pagliuca
+
+Laura A. Menninger (LM-1374)
+
+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca (pro hac vice)
+
+Ty Gee (pro hac vice)
+
+HADDON, li= ANDS P.C.
+
+150 East 10 Avenue
+
+Denver, CO 80203
+
+Phone: 303.831.7364
+
+Fax: 303.832.2628
+
+lmenninger@hmflaw.com
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+Attorneys for Ghislaine Maxwell
+
+#### CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
+
+I certify that on March 23, 2017, 1 electronically served this Defendant's Response In Opposition To Plaintiff's Motion In Limine to Preclude Defendant Front Calling Plaintiff's Attorneys As Witnesses At Trial via ECF on the following:
+
+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+JAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Ave., Ste. 2 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 brad@pathtojustice.com
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+Paul G. Cassell 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112 cassellp@law.utah.edu
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+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
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+Id Nicole
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+Nicole
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+# EXHIBIT B
+
+# UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF 08-80736-Civ-MAR RA
+
+N RE: JANE DOE,
+
+Petitioner.
+
+JULY 7, 2008
+
+STEVEN M. LARIMORE CLERK U.S. DIST. CT. S. 0. OF FLA. • MIAMI
+
+# et:9 enc y VICTIM'S PETITION FOR ENFORCEMENT OF CRIME VICTIM'S RIGHTS ACT, 18 U.S.0 . SECTION 3771
+
+COMES NOW the Petitioner, JANE DOE (hereinafter "Petitioner"), by and through her undersigned attorneys, pursuant to the Crime Victim's Rights Act, 18 U.S.C. Section 3771 (`•CVRA"), and files this Petition for Enforcement in the above styled action as follows:
+
+1. Petitioner, an adult, as aminor child was avictim of federal crimes committed by JEFFREY EPSTEIN (hereinafter "Defendant"). These crimes included scx trafficking of children by fraud, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1591, use of ameans of interstate commerce to entice a minor to commit prostitution, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 2422, as well as wire fraud, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1343. The Defendant committed these crimes within the jurisdiction of the Southern District of Florida in Palm Beach County, Florida.
+
+2. Upon information and belief, the Defendant is the subject of afederal criminal investigation conducted by the United States of America in the Southern District of Florida. The Defendant has recently been prosecuted and pleaded guilty, on June 30, 2008, in the Circuit Court for Palm Beach County to various similar state offenses including solicitation of minors for prostitution.
+
+3. Upon information and belief, the Defendant is engaged in plea negotiations with the Office of the United States Attorney for the Southern District of Florida concerning federal crimes which he is alleged to have committed against minor children, including the Petitioner. Such negotiations may likely result in a disposition of the charges in the next several days.
+
+4. Under the CVRA, before any charges are filed against the Defendant, the Petitioner has the rights (among others) to notice of her rights under the CVRA, to confer with the prosecutors, and to be treated with fairness. As soon as charges are filed, the Petitioner has the rights (among others) to timely notice of court proceedings, the right not to be excluded from such proceedings, the right to be heard at such public proceedings regarding conditions of release, any plea, and any sentence, the right to confer with the attorney for the government. the right lo restitution, and the right to be treated with fairness and with respect for her dignity and privacy.
+
+5. The Petitioner has been denied her rights in that she has received no consultation with the attorney for the government regarding the possible disposition of the charges, no notice of any public court proceedings, no information regarding her right to restitution, and no notice of rights under the CVRA, as required under law.
+
+6. The Petitioner is in jeopardy of losing her rights, as described above, if the government is able to negotiate a plea or agreement with the Defendant without her participation and knowledge.
+
+WHEREFORE, for the reasons outlined above, the Petitioner respectfully requests this Court to grant her Petition, and to order the United States Attorney to comply with the provisions of the CVRA prior to and including any plea or other agreement with the Defendant and any attendant proceedings.
+
+### MEMORANDUM
+
+### I. THE CRIME VICTIMS' RIGHTS ACT MAKES CRIME VICTIMS INDEPENDENT PARTICIPANTS THROUGHOUT THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE PROCESS.
+
+In October 2004, Congress passed and the President signed into law the Crime Victims' Rights Act, Pub. L. No. 108-405, 118 Stat. 2251 (codified at 18 U.S.C. § 3771). Because this appears to be the first case involving the Act to come before this Court, a bit of background may be in order.
+
+### A. The CVRA Gives Crime Victims Rights to Participate in the Criminal Justice Process.
+
+Congress passed the CVRA "to give crime victims enforceable rights to participate in federal criminal proceedings." Opinion at 14. Congress was concerned that in the federal system crime victims were "treated as non-participants in acritical event in their lives. They were kept in the dark by prosecutors too busy to care enough ... and by a court system that simply did not have aplace for them." 150 CONG. REC. S4262 (Apr. 22, 2004) (statement of Sen. Feinstein). To remedy this problem, Congress gave victims "the simple right to know what is going on, to participate in the process where the information that victims and their families can provide may be material and relevant ... ." Id.
+
+The CVRA gives victims of federal crimes aseries of rights, including the right to notice of court proceedings, to be heard at plea and sentencing hearings, and to reasonably "confer with the attorney for the Government in the case." 18 U.S.C. § 3771(a). Victims also have a"right of access to the terms of aplea agreement ... ." In re Interested Party I, 530 F.Supp. 2d 136, 2008WL 134233 at \*7 (D.D.C. 2008). The CVRA also assures victims broadly that they will "be treated with fairness." 18 U.S.C. § 3771(a)(8).
+
+Of course, these rights would be of little use to most crime victims unless they were told about them. To ensure that victims are notified of their rights, the CVRA directs employees of the Justice Department "and other departments and agencies of the United States engaged in the detection, investigation, or prosecution of crime" to use their "best efforts to see that crime victims are notified of... the rights described [in the CVRA]." 18 U.S.C. § 3771(c)(1) (emphasis added).1
+
+# B. The CVRA Gives Victims Rights During the Investigation of a Crime.
+
+The CVRA gives victims rights during the investigation of a crime. The Fifth Circuit recently reached this conclusion, holding:
+
+> The district court acknowledged that "[t]here are clearly rights under the CVRA that apply before any prosecution is underway." BP Prods., 2008 WL 501321 at •11, 2008 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 12893, at \*36. Logically, this includes the CVRA's establishment of victims' "reasonable right to confer with the attorney for the Government." 18 U.S.C. & 3771(a)(5). At least in the posture of this case (and we do not speculate on the applicability to other situations), the government should have fashioned a reasonable way to inform the victims of the likelihood of criminal charges and to ascertain the victims' views on the possible details of aplea bargain.
+
+la re 527 F.3d 391, 394 (51h Cir. 2008).
+
+The position that CVRA rights apply before charges have been filed is consistent with the Justice Department regulations under the CVRA, which explain that government officials "must advise a victim [about their rights under the CVRA) ... at the earliest opportunity at which it may be done without interfering with an investigation." A.G. GUIDELINES FOR VICTIM AND WITNESS
+
+IFurther supporting this requirement is another statute, 42 U.S.C. § I0607(O(3). which directs government officials to provide victims with "the earliest possible notice of," among other things, "the filing of charges against asuspected offender."
+
+ASSISTANCE 23 (May 2005). And the plain language of the CVRA undergirds this conclusion, as it applies not simply to prosecutors but to government agencies "engaged in the detection [and] investigation ... of crime ... ." 18 U.S.C. § 3771(c)(1). Indeed, if there were any doubt, the plain language of the CVRA extends victims' right to situations "in which no prosecution is underway." 18 U.S.C. § 3771(d)(3).
+
+# H. PETITIONER IS A "VICTIM PROTECTED BY THE CVRA.
+
+Under the CVRA the crime victim is defined as "a person directly and proximately harmed as a result of the commission of a Federal offense ... ." 18 U.S.C. Section 3771(e). In particular, Defendant called Petitioner when she was a minor over atelephone (a means of interstate communication) requesting that she perform amassage in exchange for payment. As Defendant well knew, that request was fraudulent, as he not only intended to receive a massage, but also intended to have her perform sexual acts in exchange for a cash payment to Petitioner. Only when Petitioner arrived at a Defendant's mansion as directed by Defendant, did Defendant reveal his true purpose of obtaining sexual favors in exchange for payment. This conduct violated 18 U.S.C. § 2422, which forbids using ameans of interstate commerce to knowingly "induce" or "entice" a minor "to engage in prostitution." In addition, this conduct was both a use of "fraud" to obtain a commercial sex act, in violation of 18 U.S.0 § 1591, and use of wire communications to perpetrate a "scheme and artifice to defraud," in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1343.
+
+It appears obvious that Petitioner was "directly and proximately" harmed by these crimes, thereby making her a victim under the CVRA. It should be emphasized that the CVRA "was designed to be a `broad and encompassing' statutory victims' bill of rights." United States v.
+
+Degenhardt, 405 F.Supp.2d 1341, 1342 (D. Utah 2005) (quoting 150 Cong. Rec. S426I (daily ed. Apr. 22, 2004) (statement of Sen. Feinstein)). Congress intended the CVRA to dramatically rework the federal criminal justice system. In the course of construing the CVRA generously, the Ninth Circuit observed: "The criminal justice system has long functioned on the assumption that crime victims should behave like good Victorian children -- seen but not heard. The Crime Victims' Rights Act sought to change this by making victims independent participants in the criminal justice process." Kenna v. U.S. Dist. Court for C.D. Cal., 435 F.3d 1011, 1013 (9th Cir. 2006). Accordingly, because the CVRA is remedial legislation, courts should interpret it "liberally to facilitate and accomplish its purposes and intent." Elliott Industries Ltd. Partnership v. BP America Production Co., 407 F.3d 1091, 1118 (10th Cir. 2005) (noting remedial legislation should be "interpreted liberally to facilitate and accomplish its purposes and intent"). The CVRA itself suggests this conclusion by requiring that courts must treat crime victims with "fairness." United States v. Patkar, 2008 WL 233062 at \*3 (D. Haw. 2008) (citing United States v. Turner, 367 F.Supp.2d 319, 335 (E.D.N.Y. 2005)).
+
+Not only must the CVRA as a whole be interpreted liberally, but its definition of "crime victim" requires agenerous construction. After reciting the direct-and-proximate-harm language at issue here, one of the Act's two co-sponsors -- Senator Kyl -- explained that "(t)his is an intentionally broad definition because all victims of crime deserve to have their rights protected ." 150 Cong. Rec. S10912 (Oct. 9, 2004) (emphasis added). The description of the victim definition as "intentionally broad" was in the course of floor colloquy with the other primary sponsor of the CVRA and therefore deserves significant weight. See Kenna, 435 F.3d at 1015-16 (discussing significance of CVRA sponsors= floor statements).
+
+The definition of "crime victims" must thus be construed broadly in favor of Petitioner.
+
+She obviously qualifies as a"victim" under the CVRA.
+
+### III. PETITIONER IS ENTITLED TO NOTICE OF HER RIGHTS, AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONFER WITH THE PROSECUTORS AND TO BE TREATED WITH FAIRNESS.
+
+Because Petitioner is a "victim" under the CVRA, she has certain protected rights under the Act. Most important, the Act promises that she will have an opportunity to "confer with the attorney for the Government in the case." To date, Petitioner has not been given that right. This raises that very real possibility that the Government may negotiate and conclude aplea agreement with the Defendant without giving Petitioner her protected rights.2
+
+Petitioner is entitled to have this conference with prosecutors before any final plea agreement is reached. The Fifth Circuit reached exactly this conclusion in avery recent case. In In rel., 527 F.3d 391 (5th Cir. 2008), the Government negotiated aplea agreement with the well-heeled corporate defendant without conferring with the victims. When the Government's failure was challenged in the Fifth Circuit, the Fifth Circuit concluded that the Government had indeed violated the CVRA. The Fifth Circuit observed: "In passing the [CVRA], Congress made the policy decision-which we are bound to enforce-that the victims have aright to inform the plea negotiation process by conferring with prosecutors before aplea agreement is reached." Id. at 394.
+
+This Court is obligated to protect the rights of Petitioner. The CVRA directs that "[i]n any court proceeding involving an offense against acrime victim, the court shall ensure that the
+
+2On information and belief, roughly the same crimes were committed against several other young females. These victims, too. are in danger of losing their right to confer under the CVRA.
+
+crime victim is afforded the rights described in [the CVRA]." 18 U.S.C. § 3771(b)(1). The CVRA also confers on crime victims the right to "assert the rights described in [the CVRA]." 18 U.S.C. § 3771(d)(1). Therefore, this Court has its own independent obligation to intercede and ensure that the Government respects the rights of Petitioner under the CVRA.
+
+**CONCLUSION**
+
+The Petitioner requests the intervention of this Court to ensure that her rights are respected and accorded, as promised in the Crime Victims' Rights Act.
+
+DATED this 7th day of July, 2008.
+
+Respectfully Submitted,
+
+THE LAW OFFICE OF BRAD [REDACTED] &
+ASSOCIATES, LLC
+
+![]()Brad [REDACTED], Esquire
+Attorney for Petitioner
+Florida Bar #542075
+2028 [REDACTED] Street
+Suite 202
+Hollywood, Florida 33020
+Telephone: 954-414-8033
+Facsimile: 954-924-1530
+
+**CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE**
+
+I HEREBY CERTIFY that a true and correct copy of the above and foregoing has been provided by United States mail and via facsimile to: ANN [REDACTED] E. C. VILLAFANA, AUSA, United States Attorney's Office, 500 South Australian Avenue, Suite 400, West Palm Beach, Florida 33401, this 7th day of July, 2008.
+
+![]()Brad [REDACTED], Esquire
+Attorney for Petitioner
+Florida Bar No. 542075
+
+JULY 7, 2008
+
+The JS 44 civ leaver sheet and the information contained herein neither replace nor supplement the filing and service of pleadings or other papers as by local rules of court. This form, approved by the Judicial Conference of the United States in September 1974, is required for the use of the Clerk the civil cocket sheet. (SEE INSTRUCTIONS ON THE REVERSE OF THE FORM.) **NOTICE: Attorneys MUST Indicate All Re-filed**
+
+| I. (a) PLAINTIFFS
| | المعرفة | المعرفة |
+|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
+| | | | |
+| المعرفة | | | |
+| المعرفة | | | |
+| المعرفة | | | |
+| المعرفة | | | |
+| المعرفة | | | |
+| المعرفة | | | |
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+
+Dated: March 28, 2017.
+
+Respectfully Submitted,
+
+By: /s Sigrid S. McCawley Sigrid Mca (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) Meredith (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) Boies Schiller & Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
+
+David Boies Boies Schiller & Flexner LLP 333 Main Street Armonk, NY 10504
+
+atJ. (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) JAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 (954) 524-2820
+
+Paul G. Cassell (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) Quinney College of Law University of Utah 383 University St. Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-5202'
+
+This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
+
+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
+
+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on the 28st day of March, 2017, I served the attached document via Email and CM/ECF to the following counsel of record.
+
+Laura A. Menninger, Esq.
+
+Jeffrey Paglio,
+
+HADDON, &a, P.C.
+
+150 East 10 Avenue
+
+Denver, Colorado 80203
+
+Tel: (303) 831-7364
+
+Fax: (303) 832-2628
+
+Email: Imenninger@hmflaw.com
+
+jpagliuca@hmflaw.com
+
+By: /s Sigrid S. McCawley
+
+Sigrid McCawley, Esq.
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+## UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+X
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+Plaintiff, v.
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+GHISLAINE MAXWELL.
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+Defendant.
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+X
+
+15-cv-07433-RWS
+
+## Defendant's \lotion Requesting Rulings on 11cr Outstanding Motions
+
+Laura A. Menninger Jeffrey S. Pagliuca Ty Gee HADDON, AND P.C. 150 East 10' Avenue Denver. CO 80203 303.831.7364
+
+Defendant Ghislaine Maxwell ("Ms. Maxwell") files this Request to the Court to issue rulings to her outstanding motions, specifically her Motion for Rule 37(b) Sanctions and Failure to Comply (Doc. 231) submitted on June 20, 2016, and her Motion to Compel Responses to Defendant's Second Set of Discovery Requests and for Sanctions (Doc. 354), submitted on August 10, 2016. As grounds, she further asserts as follows:
+
+On June 20, 2016, Ms. Maxwell filed her Motion for Rule 37(b) & (c) Sanctions for Failure to Comply with Court Order and Failure to Comply with Rule 26(a) (Doc. 231). The Response was submitted on June 28, 2017 (Doc. 257), with a corrected response tendered on July I, 2017 (Doc. 261). The defense replied on July 8, 2016 (Doc. 269). A sur-reply (Doc. 272) and sur-sur reply (Doc. 303) followed on July 12 and July 25, respectively. To date, the defense is unaware of any ruling by this Court in regard to her request for sanctions.
+
+On August 10, 2016, Ms. Maxwell filed her Motion to Compel Responses to Defendant's Second Set of Discovery Requests to Plaintiff, and for Sanctions (Doc. 354). The Response was filed on August 17, 2016 (Doc. 378), and the Reply on August 25, 2016 (Doc. 402). In its November 2, 2016 sealed opinion, this Court granted the Motion to Compel in part. However, inexplicably, on November 7, 2016, this Court issued an Order providing, "The portions of the November 2, 2016 Opinion pertaining to ECF No. 354 were issued in error and are hereby withdrawn." (Doc. 497). No subsequent order pertaining to Ms. Maxwell's motion has been received, and thus the Motion to Compel also remains outstanding.
+
+Trial is scheduled to commence on May 15, 2017. In order to provide due process, to adequately prepare for trial, and for the orderly presentation of evidence, rulings on these outstanding issues in advance of trial are requested.
+
+Dated: March 28, 2017
+
+Respectfully submitted,
+
+Is/ Laura A. Menninger
+
+Laura A. Menninger (LM-1374)
+
+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca (pro hac vice)
+
+Ty Gee (pro hac vice)
+
+HADDON, I= ANDS P.C.
+
+150 East 10 Avenue
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+Denver, CO 80203
+
+Phone: 303.831.7364
+
+Fax: 303.832.2628
+
+lmenninger@hmflaw.com
+
+Attorneys for Ghislaine Maxwell
+
+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
+
+I certify that on March 28, 2017, I electronically served this Defendant's Motion Requesting Rulings on Her Outstanding Motions via ECF on the following:
+
+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith Bows, \$CHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
+
+JAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Ave., Ste. 2 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 brad@pathtojustice.com
+
+Paul G. Cassell 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112 cassellp@law.utah.edu
+
+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
+
+Is/ Nicole
+
+Nicole
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+## EXHIBIT A
+
+UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+IN THE MATTER OF AN APPLICATION TO BRING PERSONAL ELECTRONIC DEVICE(S) OR GENERAL PURPOSE COMPUTING DEVICE(S) INTO THE COURTHOUSES OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK FOR USE IN A PROCEEDING OR TRIAL
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+The following Order is subject to the definitions, obligations and restrictions imposed pursuant to Standing Order M10-468, as Revised. Upon submission of written application to this Court, it is hereby
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+ORDERED that the following attorney(s) are authorized to bring the Personal Electronic Device(s) and/or the General Purpose Computing Device(s) (collectively, "Devices") listed below into the Courthouse for use in a proceeding or trial in the action captioned v. GHISLAINE MAXWELL
+
+No. IS-cv-07433 The date(s) for which such authorization is provided is (are) March 30, 2017 to June 16.2017
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+| | Attorney | Device(s) |
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+| 1. | Laura A. Menninger. Esq. | Laptop. IPAD. Tablet and Cell Phone |
+| 2. | Jeffrey S. Pagliuca. Esq. | Laptop. IPAD. Tablet and Cell Phone |
+| 3. | Ty C. Gee. Esq. | Laptop. WAD. Tablet and Cell Phone |
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+(Attach Extra Sheet If Needed)
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+The attorney(s) identified in this Order must present a copy of this Order when entering the Courthouse. Bringing any authorized Device(s) into the Courthouse or its Environs constitutes a certification by the attorney that he or she will comply in all respects with the restrictions and obligations set forth in Standing Order M10-468, as Revised.
+
+SO ORDERED:
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+Dated:
+
+United States Judge
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+Standing Order M10-468. as Revised
+
+## PAGE 2
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+v. GHISLAINE MAXWELL,No: 15-CV-07433-RWS.
+
+The date(s) for which such authorization is provided (are): MARCH 30, 2017 —to JUNE 16, 2017.
+
+| ATTORNEYS | DEVICE(S) |
+|----------------------------|-----------------------------------------------|
+| 4. Ann Lundberg, Paralegal | Laptop, IPAD, Portable Printer and Cell Phone |
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+Revse0 Fettuary 26.2014
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+## UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+X
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+Plaintiff,
+
+v.
+
+GHISLAINE MAXWELL
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+Defendant.
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+X
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+15-cv-07433-RWS
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+## DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR LEAVE TO BRING PERSONAL ELECTRONIC DEVICES AND GENERAL PURPOSE COMPUTING DEVICES INTO THE COURTHOUSE
+
+Defendant Ghislaine Maxwell, by and through her attorneys, hereby moves this Court for an Order granting leave to bring Personal Electronic Devices and General Purpose Computing Devices into the Courthouse for hearings and trial currently scheduled in the abovestyled case from March 30, 2017 - June 16, 2017. Defendant and listed attorneys will comply with all of the obligations and restrictions imposed pursuant to Standing Order M10-468 (Revised). Defendant has provided the names of individuals and devices in which permission is being sought See Ex. A, Standing Order M10-468 form (Revised).
+
+Dated: March 28, 2017
+
+Respectfully submitted,
+
+Is/ Laura A. Menninger
+
+Laura A. Menninger (LM-1374)
+
+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca (pro hac vice)
+
+Ty Gee (pro hac vice)
+
+HADDON, ANDS P.C.
+
+150 East 10 Avenue
+
+Denver, CO 80203
+
+Phone: 303.831.7364
+
+Fax: 303.832.2628
+
+lmenninger@hmflaw.com
+
+Attorneys for Ghislaine Maxwell
+
+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
+
+I certify that on March 28, 2017, I electronically served this Defendant's Motion for Leave to Bring Personal Electronic Devices and General Purpose Computing Devices Into the Courthouse via ECF on the following:
+
+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith BOILS, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+JAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Ave., Ste. 2 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 brad@pathtojustice.com
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+Paul G. Cassell 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112 cassellp@law.utah.edu
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+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
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+Id Nicole
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+## UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+Plaintiff. v.
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+GHISLAINE MAXWELL.
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+Defendant.
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+X
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+15-cv-07433-RWS
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+OBJECTION TO PRODUCTION OF SUBMITTED FOR IN CAMERA REVIEW
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+> Laura A. Menninger Jeffrey S. Pagliuca Ty Gee HADDON, AND P.C. 150 East 10 Avenue Denver, CO 80203 303.831.7364
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+Defendant Ghislaine Maxwell, by and through her attorneys, hereby objects to the production of [REDACTED] previously submitted for in camera review, and further states as follows:
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+Respectfully submitted,
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+---
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+Laura A. Menninger (LM-1374)
+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca (*pro hac vice*)
+*Ty Gee (pro hac vice)*
+HADDON, [REDACTED] AND [REDACTED], P.C.
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+*Attorneys for Ghislaine Maxwell*
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+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on March 28, 2017, I electronically served this Objection to Production of Submitted for in Camera Review via ECF on the following:
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+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith Bows, \$CHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 4O1 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+Defendant.
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+X
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+15-cv-07433-RWS
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+# Defendant's Reply in Support of Motion in Limine to Exclude Evidence Barred as a Result of Plaintiff's Summary Judgment Concessions
+
+Laura A. Menninger Jeffrey S. Pagliuca Ty Gee HADDON, AND P.C. ISO East 101 Avenue Denver, CO 80203 303.831.7364
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+Defendant Ghislaine Maxwell submits this Reply in support of her motion *in limine* to exclude evidence barred as a result of Plaintiff's summary judgment concessions (Doc.666).
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+**Introduction**
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+Dated: March 28, 2017.
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+/s/ Laura A. Menninger
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+Laura A. Menninger (LM-1374)
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+Attorneys for Ghislaine Maxwell
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+### CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on March 28, 2017, I electronically served this Defendant's Reply in Support of Motion in Limine to Exclude Evidence Barred as a Result of Plaintiff's Summary Judgment Concessions via ECF on the following:
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+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith &NES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+
+
+
+Haddon, [REDACTED] and [REDACTED], P.C.
+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca
+
+150 East 10th Avenue
+Denver, Colorado 80203
+PH 303.831.7364 FX 303.832.2628
+www.hmflow.com
+jpagliuca@hmflow.com
+
+March 24, 2017
+
+Via Email
+
+Hon. Robert W. Sweet
+United States District Judge
+United States District Court
+Daniel [REDACTED] Moynihan Courthouse
+Southern District of New York
+500 Pearl Street, Room 1940
+New York, New York 10007-1312
+
+*Sogadred
+Sweet
+USDS
+3.28.17*
+
+Re: [REDACTED] v. Maxwell, 15-cv-07433-RWS
+
+Dear Judge Sweet:
+
+This is a letter motion for an extension of time in which Defendant requests to file Replies in Support of her Motions in *Limine* to Exclude Complaint and Settlement Agreement in Jane Doe 102 v. Jeffrey Epstein (Doc. 663), Deposition Testimony of [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] or Any Witness Invoking Their Fifth Amendment Privilege (Doc. 673), and to Exclude Evidence Pursuant to Fed. R. Evid. 404(b) (Doc. 693). A 6 day extension is necessary to adequately brief the issues raised within Plaintiff's Responses to these motions. Accordingly, Ms. Maxwell respectfully requests that she be permitted to submit her replies in support of Doc. 663, 673 and 698 by March 30, 2017.
+
+Ms. Maxwell also requests a 6 day extension to file her reply in support of her Motion in *Limine* to exclude Police Reports and Other Inadmissible Hearsay (Doc. 677) until March 30. Although Plaintiff apparently filed her response to that motion on March 17, she neglected to serve on counsel an unredacted copy of her pleading until today, March 24. Requests for an unredacted copy were made to her office beginning on March 20, but were not responded to. An additional 7 days is necessary to complete briefing as to Doc. 677, and Ms. Maxwell requests until March 30, 2017, to do so.
+
+Hon. Robert W. Sweet March 24, 2017 Page 2
+
+Sincerely,
+
+HADDON, AND ~, P.C.
+
+/s/Jeey S. Pagliuca
+
+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca
+
+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
+
+I certify that on March 24, 2017, I electronically served this LETTER MOTION via ELECTRONIC MAIL on the following:
+
+Sigrid S. McCawley Paul G. Cassell Meredith 383 S. University Street Bows, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP Salt Lake City, UT 84112 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 cassellp@law.utah.edu Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfilp.com mschultz@bsflIp.com
+
+JAFFE, WEISSING, ~, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Ave., Ste. 2 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 brad@pathtojustice.com
+
+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aolcom
+
+Is/Nicole Nicole
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+## UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
+
+x
+
+VIRGINIA L. GUIFFRE,
+
+Plaintiff,
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+Case No.: 15-cv-7433 (RWS)
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+: PROPOSED INTERVENOR MICHAEL -against- : CERNOVICH D/B/A CERNOVICH : MEDIA'S OPPOSITION TO MOTION GHISLAINE MAXWELL, • TO STRIKE
+
+•
+
+Defendant. •
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+x
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+Michael Cemovich ("Cemovich") d/b/a Cemovich Media ("Movant" or "Intervenor") hereby opposes Plaintiffs Motion to Exclude his Opposition [DE 763] to Plaintiff's ongoing efforts to shield judicial documents from media and public scrutiny.' Her latest argument is that Intervenor lacks standing to object to the redaction of a transcript of open-court proceedings in which his counsel participated, even sitting at counsels' table the entire time without objection.2
+
+Plaintiff's citation to Esther Sadowsky Testamentary Tr. v. Fed. Hous. Fin. Agency, 412 F. Apply( 361 (2d Cir. 2011) is inapposite. In that matter, the motion to intervene had been denied, so the putative intervenor had no standing to contest collateral orders. Here, Intervenor's motion
+
+It must also be noted that there is no basis in the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure to "exclude" a filing. The motion was, however, docketed as a "motion to strike", though internally named a motion to "exclude". The closest applicable rule, Fed. R. Civ. P. 12(f), only applies to striking pleadings, not other filings, and it does not include lack of standing as a basis to strike. See Colony Ins. Co. v. Jack A. Halprin, Inc., No. 3:10 - CV - 1059 (CSH), 2012 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 95982, at \*10-12 (D. Conn. July 11, 2012). Neither is Intervenor's objection an evidentiary document to which exclusion under the Federal Rules of Evidence might apply.
+
+2 Plaintiff has not otherwise suggested that Intervenor is incorrect on the merits of his objection. As a result, it appears Plaintiff is seeking to redact matters beyond the personal identifiers listed in Fed. R. Civ. P. 5.2(a). Further, per Fed. R. Civ. P. 5.2(e), additional redactions are only to be made upon order of the Court. All requests for a court order must be made by motion. See Fed. R. Civ. P. 7(b)( I ); accord Notice to the Bar, Electronic Availability of Civil Transcripts of Proceedings Before U.S. District and Magistrate Judges ("If a party wants to redact information in addition...the party must make the appropriate application to the assigned judicial officer"). Thus, as there is no motion for further redaction pending, there is no proper request for such redaction before this Court.
+
+has neither been denied nor is Plaintiff's redaction request collateral to his involvement in the case.
+
+Although Plaintiff's citation only actually addresses standing to appeal, the law of standing also shows that non-party standing to appeal has been "long allowed...when the nonparty has an interest that is affected by the trial court's judgment." Rothstein v. Am. Intl Grp., Inc., 837 F.3d 195, 204 (2d Cir. 2016)(internal citation and quotations marks omitted). Thus, by the same token, Intervenor has a demonstrable interest in the non-redaction a transcript of open-court proceedings in which his counsel participated, which interest would be adversely affected were the Court to allow whatever the undisclosed redaction request entails.
+
+Dated: March 29. 2017. Respectfully Submitted,
+
+/s/ Jay M. Wolman
+
+Jay M. Wolman (JW0600)
+
+RANDAZZA LEGAL GROUP, PLLC
+
+100 Pearl Street, 14th Floor
+
+Hartford, CT 06103
+
+Tele: 702-420-2001
+
+Fax: 305-437-7662
+
+Email: ecf@randazza.com
+
+Attorneys for Movant/Putative Intervenor,
+
+Cernovich Media
+
+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
+
+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on March 29, 2017, I electronically filed the foregoing document with the Clerk of the Court using CM/ECF. I further certify that a true and correct copy of the foregoing document being served via transmission of Notices of Electronic Filing generated by CM/ECF.
+
+Respectfully submitted,
+
+/s/ Jay M. Wolman Jay M. Wolman
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+
+Via ECF
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+Honorable Judge Robert W. Sweet District Court Judge United States District Court 500 Pearl Street New York, NY 10007
+
+Re: v. Maxwell I Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
+
+Dear Judge Sweet:
+
+Jay Marshall Wolman. JD Licensed in CT. NY. DC
+
+29 March 2017
+
+Movant-Intervenor Michael Cernovich d/b/o Cernovich Media was previously unable to divine from the publicly available portions of Plaintiff's Notice of Intent to Request Redaction (Doc No. 721) what redactions were sought, thus limiting his ability to file his opposition thereto (Doc. No. 725). Plaintiff's March 27, 2017 letter (Doc. No. 793) has finally revealed what portion of the February 16. 2017, transcript she is seeking to redact: the entire portion that is the summary judgment argument. Movant hereby responds to Plaintiff's letter.
+
+It appears now that Defendant, at least, recognizes the fundamental problem under the common law right of access and the First Amendment in sealing any portion of the summary judgment argument. And, Plaintiff has now revealed in her letter that the oral argument "hewed so closely to the content of the sealed brief that much of the hearing transcript consists of him simply reading portions of those briefs aloud". If this is the case, then it is even more apparent there is no basis for sealing the summary judgment pleadings, let alone the transcript.
+
+Undersigned counsel was present at the proceedings. Defendant's counsel invited the Court to seal the courtroom in advance of his argument, but the Court indicated such would be unnecessary. The Court wos correct and, though at any time Plaintiff could have asked for a seal mid-argument, none was sought. Now, Plaintiff is trying to close the proverbial barn door after the horses hove escaped.
+
+Not only is redaction frivolous, as it would only limit public access to verbatim arguments, rather than the substance of the arguments themselves, but there are no other good grounds. The law of republication and how it applies in this case has nothing to do with Plaintiff's or anyone else's alleged abuse, but rather Defendant's and her alleged agents' dealings with the media. Neither do the issues involving the pre-litigation privilege. Or whether the alleged defamatory publication is an assertion of opinion or fact, where truthfulness of the alleged factual statements is not necessary to determine the question or otherwise involve reference to third-party, publicly available publications.
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+Although Plaintiff's counsel, in her arguments. made reference to allegedly confidential evidence of sexual trafficking, she knowingly did so in the presence of undersigned counsel. Moreover, her arguments were sufficiently vague in detail as to merely referencing flight logs, house staff witnesses. pictures, hospital records, time & travel records, victim notification letters, and o black book. This reference to evidence is otherwise discussed in publicly available articles and even the public docket entries in this case.
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+Similarly, her arguments over the press release language itself, to whom it was directed, and the meaning of "malice" are issues of law, not of fact. As stated by Defendant's counsel, this is not a sexual abuse case, it is about defamation; he even noted that were abuse conceded, summary judgment in favor of Defendant would be appropriate as a matter of law. Though Movant takes no position on whether Defendant is entitled to judgment as a matter of law, he agrees that the issues at summary judgment, in the transcript and, apparently, in the briefing, do not raise any basis for the wholesale sealing of legal argument.
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+Sincerely,
+
+Jay Marshall Wolman
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+## UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+X
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+Plaintiff. v.
+
+GHISLAINE MAXWELL.
+
+Defendant.
+
+X
+
+15-cv-07433-RWS
+
+## Defendant's Reply in Support of Motion in Limine to Prohibit Questioning Regarding Defendant's Adult Consensual Sexual Activities
+
+Laura A. Menninger Jeffrey S. Pagliuca Ty Gee HADDON, AND P.C. 150 East 10 Avenue Denver, CO 80203 303.831.7364
+
+## PAGES 1-7 REDACTED
+
+Dated: March 29, 2017
+
+Respectfully submitted,
+
+Is/ Laura A. Menninger
+
+Laura A. Menninger (LM-1374)
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+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca (pro hac vice)
+
+Ty Gee (pro hac vice)
+
+HADDON, II= ANDS P.C.
+
+150 East 10 Avenue
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+Denver, CO 80203
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+Phone: 303.831.7364
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+Fax: 303.832.2628
+
+lmenninger@hmflaw.com
+
+Attorneys for Ghislaine Maxwell
+
+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
+
+I certify that on March 29, 2017, I electronically served this Defendant's Reply in Support of Motion in Limine Prohibit Questioning Regarding Defendant's Adult Consensual Sexual Activities via ECF on the following:
+
+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith &HES, \$CHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+Paul G. Cassell 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112 cassellp@law.utah.edu
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+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
+
+Is/ Nicole
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+Nicole
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+## United States District Court Southern District of New York
+
+Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
+
+v.
+
+Ghislaine Maxwell,
+
+Defendant.
+
+## NOTICE OF PLAINTIFF'S PROPOSED REDACTIONS TO THIS COURT'S ORDER DENYING SUMMARY JUDGMENT
+
+Plaintiff, hereby files this proposed redactions of the Order Denying Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment. See Plaintiff's proposed redactions attached hereto as Sealed Exhibit 1.
+
+Dated: March 29, 2017
+
+Respectfully Submitted,
+
+By: /s Sigrid McCawlev Boies Schiller Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
+
+By: /s Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCam m l (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) Meredith (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) Boles Schiller Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
+
+David Boies Boles Schiller & Flexner LLP 333 Main Street Armonk, NY 10504
+
+J. (Admitted Pm Hac Vice)
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+M AFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 (954) 524-2820
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+Paul G. Cassell (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) S.J. Quinney College of Law University of Utah 383 University St. Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-5202i
+
+This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
+
+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
+
+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on the 29th day of March, 2017, 1 served the attached document via CM/ECF and e-mail to the following counsel of record.
+
+Laura A. Menninger, Esq.
+
+Jeffrey Pagliuca. Es
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+HADDON, & , P.C.
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+150 East 10 Avenue
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+Denver, Colorado 80203
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+Tel: (303) 831-7364
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+Fax: (303) 832-2628
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+Email: Imenninger@hmflaw.com
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+jpagliuca@hmflaw.com
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+tgeeQhmflaw.com
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+By: /s Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCawley (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) Boles Schiller Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+[REDACTED] G. WEINBERG, P.C.
+ATTORNEY AT LAW
+
+20 PARK PLAZA, SUITE 1000
+BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS 02116
+
+(617) 227-3700
+
+FAX (617) 338-9538
+
+NIGHT EMERGENCY:
+(617) 901-3472
+
+EMAIL ADDRESSES:
+
+owlmcb@att.net
+owlmgw@att.net
+
+**VIA ECF**
+
+March 30, 2017
+
+Honorable Judge Robert W. Sweet
+District Court Judge
+United States District Court for the
+Southern District of New York
+500 Pearl Street
+New York, New York 10007
+
+Re: [REDACTED] v. Maxwell, No. 15-cv-07433-RWS
+
+Dear Judge Sweet:
+
+On receiving the Court's Order of March 3, 2017, setting a hearing date of March 30, 2017, for "all motions filed on March 3, 2017," neither Mr. Goldberger nor I recognized that the motions to be heard included Mr. Epstein's Motion to Quash (Doc. 657), as opposed to just motions filed by the parties to the case. I learned only today that the Court did intend to hear Mr. Epstein's Motion to Quash today. I am not available to be in New York today to argue on behalf of Mr. Epstein, and I respectfully request that the hearing on Mr. Epstein's motion be continued to the next scheduled hearing date. Alternatively, I understand that the Court has extended the motions hearing into tomorrow, March 31, 2017, and, if necessary, I would be available then.
+
+I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience.
+
+Very truly yours,
+
+![]()
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+#### UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+X
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+Plaintiff. v.
+
+GHISLAINE MAXWELL.
+
+Defendant.
+
+X
+
+15-cv-07433-RWS
+
+### Defendant's Reply in Support of Motion in Limine to Exclude Police Reports and Other Inadmissible Hearsay
+
+Laura A. Menninger Jeffrey S. Pagliuca Ty Gee HADDON, AND ISO East 10 Avenue Denver, CO 80203 303.831.7364 P.C.
+
+### TABLE OF CONTENTS
+
+| INTRODUCTION | I |
+|------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------|
+| I. | THE "RELEVANT FACTUAL BACKGROUND" SECTION OF THE RESPONSE IS |
+| NEITHER FACTUAL NOR RELEVANT | I |
+| II. THE | ARE NOT RELEVANT TO THE QUESTION OF ACTUAL |
+| MALICE | 3 |
+| CONCLUSION | 10 |
+| CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE | 12 |
+
+# PAGES 1-10
+
+# REDACTED
+
+Dated: March 30, 2017
+
+Respectfully submitted,
+
+/s/ Jeffrey S. Pagliuca
+
+Laura A. Menninger (LM-1374)
+
+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca (pro hac vice)
+
+Ty Gee (pro hac vice)
+
+HADDON, ANDS P.C.
+
+150 East 10 Avenue
+
+Denver, CO 80203
+
+Phone: 303.831.7364
+
+Fax: 303.832.2628
+
+lmenninger@hmflaw.com
+
+Attorneys for Ghislaine Maxwell
+
+#### CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on March 30, 2017, 1 electronically served this Defendant's Reply in Support of Motion in Limine to Exclude Police Reports and Other Inadmissible Hearsay via ECF on the following:
+
+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith BOIES, \$CHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
+
+, JAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Ave., Ste. 2 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 brad@pathtojustice.com
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+Paul G. Cassell 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112 cassellp@law.utah.edu
+
+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
+
+Is/ Nicole
+
+Nicole
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+## UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+X Plaintiff, v. GHISLAENE MAXWELL, Defendant. X
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+15-cv-07433-RWS
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+## Declaration Of Jeffrey S. Pagliuca In Support Of Defendant's Reply in Support Of Motion In Limine to Exclude Police Reports and Other Inadmissible Hearsay
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+I, Jeffrey S. Pagliuca, declare as follows:
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+I. I am an attorney at law duly licensed in the State of Colorado and admitted to practice in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York pro hac vice. I am a member of the law firm Haddon, P.C., counsel of record for Defendant Ghislaine Maxwell ("Maxwell") in this action. I respectfully submit this declaration in support of Ms. Maxwell's Reply in Support of her Motion In Limine to Exclude Police Reports and Other Inadmissible Hearsay.
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+2. Attached as Exhibit D (filed under seal) are true and correct copies of
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+3. Attached as Exhibit E (filed under seal) are true and correct copies of
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+4. Attached as Exhibit F (filed under seal) is true and correct copy of [REDACTED]
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+[REDACTED]
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+5. Attached as Exhibit G (filed under seal) are true and correct copies of [REDACTED]
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+[REDACTED]
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+[REDACTED]
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+I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
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+Executed on March 30, 2017
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+By: *Is/ Jeffrey S. Pagliuca*
+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca
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+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on March 30, 2017, I electronically served this Declaration Of Jeffrey S. Pagliuca In Support Of Defendant's Reply in Support of Motion In Limine to Exclude Police Reports and Other Inadmissible Hearsay via ECF on the following:
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+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith BOIES, \$CHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+JAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Ave., Ste. 2 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 brad@pathtojustice.com
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+Paul G. Cassell 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112 cassellp@law.utah.edu
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+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
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+Is/ Nicole
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+Nicole
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+## UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+X
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+Plaintiff, v.
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+GH1SLAINE MAXWELL,
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+Defendant.
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+X
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+15-cv-07433-RWS
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+Defendant's Repl in Su ort of Motion in Limine to Exclude Deposition Testimony of and or Any Witness Invoking Their Fifth Amendment Privilege
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+> Laura A. Menninger Jeffrey S. Pagliuca Ty Gee HADDON, Il= ANDS, P.C. 150 East 10' Avenue Denver, CO 80203 303.831.7364
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+## PAGES 1-7
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+REDACTED
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+## CONCLUSION
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+Dated: March 30, 2017
+
+Respectfully submitted,
+
+/s/ Laura A. Menninger
+
+Laura A. Menninger (LM-1374)
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+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca (pro hac vice)
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+Ty Gee (pro hac vice)
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+HADDON, "IL= AND , P.C.
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+150 East 10 Avenue
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+Denver, CO 80203
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+Phone: 303.831.7364
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+Fax: 303.832.2628
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+Imenninger@hmflaw.com
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+Attorneys for Ghislaine Maxwell
+
+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on March 30, 2017, I electronically served this De endant'sReply in Support of Motion in Limine to Exclude Deposition Testimony of and or Any Witness Invoking Their Fifth Amendment Privilege via ECF on the following:
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+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+Id Nicole
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+### UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+X
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+Plaintiff. v.
+
+GHISLAINE MAXWELL.
+
+Defendant.
+
+X
+
+15-cv-07433-RWS
+
+## Defendant's Reply in Support of Motion in Limbic to Exclude Complaint and Settlement Agreement in Jane Doe 102 v. Jeffrey Epstein
+
+Laura A. Menninger Jeffrey S. Pagliuca Ty Gee HADDON, AND 150 East 10' Avenue Denver, CO 80203 303.831.7364 P.C.
+
+# PAGES 1-5
+
+REDACTED
+
+[REDACTED]
+
+[REDACTED]
+
+**CONCLUSION**
+
+[REDACTED]
+
+[REDACTED]
+
+[REDACTED]
+
+[REDACTED]
+
+Dated: March 30, 2017
+
+Respectfully submitted,
+
+*/s/ Laura A. Menninger*
+
+---
+
+Laura A. Menninger (LM-1374)
+
+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca (*pro hac vice*)
+
+*Ty Gee (pro hac vice)*
+
+HADDON, [REDACTED] AND [REDACTED], P.C.
+
+150 East 10th Avenue
+
+Denver, CO 80203
+
+Phone: 303.831.7364
+
+Fax: 303.832.2628
+
+lmenninger@hmflaw.com
+
+*Attorneys for Ghislaine Maxwell*
+
+#### CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
+
+I certify that on March 30, 2017, I electronically served this Defendant's Reply in Support of Motion in Limine to Exclude Complaint and Settlement Agreement in Jane Doe 102 v. Jeffrey Epstein via ECF on the following:
+
+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
+
+Id Nicole
+
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+## UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+X Plaintiff, v. GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendant. X
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+15-cv-07433-RWS
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+## Declaration of Laura A. Menninger in Support of Defendant's Reply in Support of Motion in Limine to Exclude Complaint and Settlement Agreement in Jane Doe 102 v. Jeffrey Epstein
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+I, Laura A. Menninger, declare as follows:
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+1. I am an attorney at law duly licensed in the State of New York and admitted to practice in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. I am a member of the law firm Haddon, & P.C., counsel of record for Defendant Ghislaine Maxwell in this action. I respectfully submit this Declaration in support of Ms. Maxwell's Reply in Support of Motion in Limine to Exclude Complaint and Settlement Agreement in Jane Doe 102 v. Jeffrey Epstein.
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+2. Attached as Exhibit A (filed under seal) is true and correct copy of
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+3. Attached as Exhibit B (filed under seal) is true and correct copy of
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+I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
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+Executed on March 30. 2017.
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+s/ Laura A. Menninger
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+Laura A. Menninger
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+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on March 30, 2017, I electronically served this Declaration of Laura A. Menninger in Support of Defendant's Reply in Support of Motion in Limine to Exclude Complaint and Settlement Agreement in Jane Doe 102 v. Jeffrey Epstein via ECF on the following:
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+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith BOLES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+Paul G. Cassell 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112 cassellp@law.utah.edu
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+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
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+Is/ Nicole Nicole
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+### UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+X
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+Plaintiff, v.
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+GHISLAINE MAXWELL.
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+Defendant.
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+X
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+15-cv-07433-RWS
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+# Reply in Support of Defendant's Motion to Exclude Evidence Pursuant to Fed. R. Evid. 404(b)
+
+Laura A. Menninger Jeffrey S. Pagliuca Ty Gee HADDON, AND ISO East 10 Avenue Denver, CO 80203 303.831.7364 P.C.
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+## TABLE OF CONTENTS
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+| INTRODUCTION | 1 |
+|-------------------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------|
+| I. | THE LEGAL CONCLUSIONS AND ATTORNEY ARGUMENT ARE IRRLEVANT TO |
+| ANYTHING | 2 |
+| II. THE | ARE NOT "DIRECTLY RELEVANT' TO PLAINTIFF'S |
+| DEFAMATION CLAIM | 3 |
+| FOR INTRODUCTION OF EVIDENCE UNDER RULE 404(B) | 6 |
+| OF RULE 415 | 8 |
+| V. PLAINTIFF FAILED TO SATISFY BALANCING TEST OF RULE 403 FOR HER | |
+| PROFFERED EVIDENCE | 8 |
+| CONCLUSION | 10 |
+| CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE | 11 |
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+# PAGES 1-9
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+REDACTED
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+[REDACTED]
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+**CONCLUSION**
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+[REDACTED]
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+Dated: March 30, 2017
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+Respectfully submitted,
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+*/s/ Laura A. Menninger*
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+---
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+Laura A. Menninger (LM-1374)
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+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca (*pro hac vice*)
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+*Ty Gee (pro hac vice)*
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+HADDON, [REDACTED] AND [REDACTED], P.C.
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+150 East 10th Avenue
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+Denver, CO 80203
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+Phone: 303.831.7364
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+Fax: 303.832.2628
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+lmenninger@hmflaw.com
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+*Attorneys for Ghislaine Maxwell*
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+#### CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on March 30, 2017, I electronically served this Defendant's Reply in Support of Defendant's Motion to Exclude Evidence Pursuant to Fed. R. Evid. 404(b) via ECF on the following:
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+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
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+Id Nicole
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+## EXHIBIT J
+
+From: <\_ Date: 2 January 2015 at 20:38 Subject: Ghislaine Maxwell To: Rossacuity Gow < bcc: P.Peacheigaindeoendent.co.uk nick.sommerlad@mirror.co.uk nick.alwayPbbc.co.uk, jo-anne.pugh@bbc.co.uk
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+To Whom It May Concern, Please find attached a quotable statement on behalf of Ms Maxwell.
+
+No further communication will be provided by her on this matter.
+
+Thanks for your understanding.
+
+Best
+
+a
+
+ACUITY Reputation
+
+Jane Doe 3 is - so not a new individual. The allegations made by Victoria \_against Ghislaine Maxwell are untrue. The original allegations are not new and have been fully responded to and shown to be untrue.
+
+Each time the story is re told it changes with new salacious details about public figures and world leaders and now it is alleged by that Alan Derschowitz is involved in having sexual relations with her, which he denies.
+
+claims are obvious lies and should be treated as such and not publicised as news, as they are defamatory.
+
+Ghislaine Maxwell's original response to the lies and defamatory claims remains the same. Maxwell strongly denies allegations of an unsavoury nature, which have appeared in the British press and elsewhere and reserves her right to seek redress at the repetition of such old defamatory claims.
+
+Sent from my BlackBerry° wireless device
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+## UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+X Plaintiff, v. GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendant. X
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+15-cv-07433-RWS
+
+## Declaration of Laura A. Menninger in Support of Defendant's Reply in Support of Defendant's Motion to Exclude Evidence Pursuant to Fed. R. Evid. 404(b)
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+I. Laura A. Menninger, declare as follows:
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+1. I am an attorney at law duly licensed in the State of New York and admitted to practice in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. I am a member of the law firm Haddon, & P.C., counsel of record for Defendant Ghislaine Maxwell in this action. I respectfully submit this Declaration in support of Ms. Maxwell's Reply in Support of Defendant's Motion to Exclude Evidence Pursuant to Fed. R. Evid. 404(b).
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+2. Attached as Exhibit J is a true and correct copy of a statement on behalf of Ms. Maxwell dated January 2, 2015.
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+3. Attached as Exhibit K (filed under seal) is true and correct copy of
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+- 4. Attached as Exhibit L (filed under seal) is true and correct copy of
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+I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
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+Executed on March 30, 2017.
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+s/ Laura A. Menninger
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+Laura A. Menninger
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+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on March 30, 2017, 1 electronically served this Declaration of Laura A. Menninger in Support of Defendant's Reply in Support of Defendant's Motion to Exclude Evidence Pursuant to Fed. R. Evid. 404(b)via ECF on the following:
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+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+JAFFE, WEISSING, , FISTOS & LEHRMAN, PI-425 North Andrews Ave., Ste. 2 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 brad@pathtojustice.com
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+Paul G. Cassell 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112 cassellp@law.utah.edu
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+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
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+Is/ Nicole
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+Nicole
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+### UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
+
+X
+
+Plaintiff, v.
+
+GHISLAINE MAXWELL
+
+Defendant.
+
+X
+
+15-cv-07433-RWS
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+## Defendant's Reply in Support of Motion for Bifurcated Trial Relating to Punitive Damages and Exclusion of Any Reference to Financial Information in the Liability Phase
+
+Laura A. Menninger Jeffrey S. Pagliuca Ty Gee HADDON, AND P.C. 150 East 10 Avenue Denver, CO 80203 303.831.7364
+
+# REDACTED PAGES 1-8
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+[REDACTED]
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+[REDACTED]
+[REDACTED]
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+**Conclusion**
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+[REDACTED]
+[REDACTED]
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+Dated: March 30, 2017.
+
+Respectfully submitted,
+
+*/s/ Laura A. Menninger*
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+---
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+Laura A. Menninger (LM-1374)
+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca (*pro hac vice*)
+*Ty Gee (pro hac vice)*
+HADDON, [REDACTED] AND [REDACTED], P.C.
+150 East 10th Avenue
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+## United States District Court Southern District of New York
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+Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+v.
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+Ghislaine Maxwell,
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+Defendant.
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+## NOTICE OF INTENT TO REQUEST REDACTION OF MARCH 23, 2017 SEALED OPINION
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+Plaintiff, hereby files this Notice of Intent to Request Redaction of the March 23, 2017 Sealed Opinion pursuant to this Court's Protective Order. See Plaintiff's proposed redactions attached hereto as Sealed Exhibit 1.
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+Dated: March 30, 2017
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+Respectfully Submitted,
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+By: /s Sigrid McCawlev Boles Schiller Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+By: /s Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCa.i (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) Meredith (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) Boles Schiller Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+David Boles Boles Schiller & Flexner LLP 333 Main Street Armonk, NY 10504
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+J. (Admitted Pm Hac Vice)
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+M AFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 (954) 524-2820
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+Paul G. Cassell (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) S.J. Quinney College of Law University of Utah 383 University St. Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-5202i
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+This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
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+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on the 30th day of March, 2017, I served the attached document via CM/ECF and e-mail to the following counsel of record.
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+Laura A. Menninger, Esq.
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+Jeffrey Paglhol i
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+HADDON, & P.C.
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+HON. ROBERT W. SWEET,
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+## APPEARANCES
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+BOIES SCHILLER & FLEXNER Attorneys for Plaintiff BY: SIGRID S. McCAWLEY
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+HADDON AND Attorneys for Defendant BY: JEFFREY S. PAGLIUCA
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+THE COURT: First order of business from me, have you all reached any decision as to how we're going to conduct the trial with respect to the matters covered by the protective order?
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+MS. McCAWLEY: Your Honor, Mr. Pagliuca and I were just discussing that, the issue of the protective order.
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+There's two points on that, and he can address them as well.
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+The protective order itself that we entered in the case does have a paragraph in it that addresses the trial. It provides that -- that's just for reference, that's going to be document 62, and it's in paragraph 13. It says: The protective order shall have no force and effect on the use of any confidential information at the trial in this matter.
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+So, full disclosure, I want to let you know that that's what the protective order currently says.
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+The plaintiff would like to request that names of victims, of individuals who consider themselves to be a victim of sexual abuse, a pseudonym be able to be used for them and any identifying information, for example, their Social Security number or an address be able to be protected for those that are coming to testify. I know that makes it a little bit more difficult, but if we plan that in advance with initials or a pseudonym for those individuals to garner that protection for them, that is one consideration we would like with respect to
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+4 5 THE COURT: Have you all reached an agreement to that effect?
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+6 7 MS. McCAWLEY: No, your Honor. We were just discussing that. That was what I had proposed to Mr. Pagliuca.
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+8 9 10 11 12 13 14 MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, I certainly am not opposed to further discussions about this issue. I think I would need to know who we're talking about in particular as to the witnesses. So I think we'll be able to deal with this, your Honor. We'll just need to have some more -- a little bit of detail that the parties are going to need to have to talk about before we work something out.
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+15 16 17 18 Here's my concern, your Honor, I guess: If there's a witness that shows up in court, I think it's prejudicial to the defendant if we're using initials or things like that, because it implies that something untoward has happened.
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+19 20 THE COURT: Correct me if I'm wrong, anybody who testifies is going to have to state their identity --
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+21 MR. PAGLIUCA: Right.
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+22 23 THE COURT: -- and whatever. It seems to me, that's clear. Maybe I'm wrong about that.
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+24 25 There are occasions which we're all familiar with from security reasons and whatever that sometimes people don't, but
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+the trial. But I understand that all other matters would have to be -- obviously it's a public trial and so we would not be able to protect the other specifics.
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+4 How does that sound to you all?
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+5 6 MR. PAGLIUCA: That's what I think, your Honor, what you just said.
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+7 8 9 MS. McCAWLEY: Your Honor, if I could, I'd like the opportunity -- because there are only a few of the witnesses that fall into this category --
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+10 11 12 13 THE COURT: Okay. That's one thing. Let's sort of understand that that's -- without a specific application, and I would think that that would be done sufficiently in advance so that we can consider it not -- in other words, pretrial.
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+14 MS. McCAWLEY: Yes.
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+15 16 17 THE COURT: And I was hoping we'd have all this resolved today. So maybe you all could think about that and maybe we can cover that next week, who knows.
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+18 MS. McCAWLEY: Yes, your Honor.
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+19 20 21 THE COURT: As far as exhibits are concerned, I take it that the same would be true with exhibits; that everything goes unless somebody makes a particular application.
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+22 23 MS. McCAWLEY: Yes, your Honor, that's my understanding.
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+24 25 MR. PAGLIUCA: That's my understanding as well, your Honor.
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+that's certainly the exception. And I would think that that would not be the case, unless there is a particular application for a particular person.
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+4 Now, aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
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+11 MS. McCAWLEY: Sure. That's fine.
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+12 Let me give you a little bit of background.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 We retained the handwriting expert in an abundance of caution because the black book, which is a telephone directory, has at the beginning of it handwriting on various pages by Alfredo Rodriguez. So in order to make sure we could get the document into evidence, we retained the handwriting expert to be able to say the handwriting on these pages matched the other documents that he testified under oath were his handwriting on checks and things of that nature. So that's why there is any issue with handwriting, only because the document itself on the front of it, on the front few pages, has that handwriting. So she would simply be testifying --
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+25 MS. McCAWLEY: Yes.
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+THE COURT: All right.
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+Well, that's some degree of clarification. And if you all manage to do something better than that, I'd be grateful.
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+I guess I should hear from the plaintiff about how this -- the issue here, as I see it, is the handwriting expert -- well, let's assume just for the moment that the black book gets in. If the black book gets in, what's the handwriting expert going to testify to?
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+4 MS. McCAWLEY: That it matches his handwriting, it's an exact match on his handwriting, yes. That would be the purpose of her testimony.
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+5 6 7 THE COURT: So the objection on the business record, as I understand it, is we don't have anybody who can testify that it's a business record, or do we?
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+8 9 MS. McCAWLEY: Your Honor, I would say that we absolutely do.
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+10 11 12 13 14 Let me just, if it's all right, preview the evidence for you, since I believe that's the purpose of this hearing, so you have an appreciation, first of all, for why the black book is such a critical piece of evidence in the case, in our view, of course, but also who can testify about it.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 So the black book, as I said, is a telephone directory of all the names and numbers of anybody who was associated with either the defendant or Maxwell -- of the defendant or Epstein. It was kept at their home; they had various homes, but the main home in Palm Beach is where this document was taken from. It was for purposes of the house staff being able to use to contact people or when people called in, so it was a reference, a telephone directory reference.
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+23 So what testimony do we have on that?
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+24 25 We have Maxwell herself -- and I'm going to review her testimony; I have it for you here today -- in her deposition
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+identified the black book, when I handed it to her as an exhibit, as the stolen document. So she -- and I'll read that; it's very clear -- authenticates that document. She even asked me how did I get it. So that testimony is pretty powerful.
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+We then have two different house staff that have testified about this document.
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+The first is Juan Allessi. He testified in this case back in June and he was given the exhibit. He was the for a period of time in Palm Beach. So he was responsible to help with the management of the house. And he identified the document, identified names of individuals in the document, young girls who came over to provide these massages. There's a section in the directory that's called "Florida Massages" that has numbers, names of females, some parents' numbers. We allege that there are underaged individuals in that directory with their phone numbers. So we reviewed that with him.
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+He has testimony about the fact that the black book was something that was kept in the course of their work. It was something that was on Maxwell's desk. So I'm going to review that testimony for you.
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+Then we have Alfredo Rodriguez. Now, Mr. Rodriguez is, unfortunately, deceased. He testified in the Jane Doe cases about the fact that there was this what they called the black book, which was a telephone directory. So we have his testimony.
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+We also have at trial Jeffrey Epstein, Sara and •
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+Now, at this point, we have been told that they are planning to take the Fifth on everything. But this is a telephone directory; we may be able to solicit information from them about the directory itself.
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+So that's the universe of the individuals that we anticipate will testify about this. If you don't mind, if I can just pass you up my binder that has the testimony in it.
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+THE COURT: Sure.
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+MS. McCAWLEY: So what you're going to see in here is the document itself, and then you're going to see the testimony.
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+So the testimony, for example, Ms. Maxwell, I asked her during her deposition: Was there a hard-copy book as well as something on the computer or was there only electronic information on the phone numbers?
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+This is after I handed her the document.
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+She said: I can only testify to what I know obviously. And I believe that this is a copy of the stolen document. I would love to know how you guys got it.
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+I said: Next, I'm asking you during the time you worked for Jeffrey Epstein, was there a hard-copy document of any kind that kept phone numbers for Jeffrey Epstein if he needed to contact someone?
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+4 5 So was there -- during your time, was there no other - you mentioned information on a computer. Was there any hard-copy document you would refer to to find someone's number?
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+6 "A. You have the stolen document in front of you.
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+7 8 You had access to this when you worked for Jeffrey Epstein?
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+9 10 "A. This, I believe the book was stolen. That was the hard copy, whatever was there.
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+11 12 "Q. So when you were working for Jeffrey Epstein, you were able to access this book?
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+13 14 "A. This book, if this is what it is, I believe it is the stolen document from his house."
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+15 16 17 So that is defendant's testimony when she reviews the exhibit that we gave her, which is the black book, during her deposition. She clearly authenticates it.
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+18 19 THE COURT: When you say "the black book," there's a question about copy and so on. Do you have the original?
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+20 MS. McCAWLEY: We have a copy of what was taken.
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+21 22 23 24 25 When it's referred to as "the black book," I believe that's because that's sort of colloquially what they referred to -- the house staff referred to as this large document; they called it the black book. And Juan Allessi calls it that as well, so we've used that term in the course of this. But it's
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+"A. The stolen document I have in front of me, that's what you're referring to.
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+4 MS. McCAWLEY: We have the copy.
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+5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 The course of events is that Alfredo Rodriguez, who was also a for Mr. Epstein and the defendant, took the document when he left his employment, stole it, left with it. And then he tried to sell that document. In the course of trying to do that, to sell it, there was an undercover sting, because they knew he was trying to sell evidence basically in a case. And so they obtained the document, and then they produced it in the civil discovery in the Jane Doe 102 cases in Florida. So it was a document in that case -- in discovery in that case as well, and that's why we have testimony on --
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+15 THE COURT: Was it introduced in that case?
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+16 17 18 MS. McCAWLEY: It was in the course of depositions. Those cases were settled, I believe, your Honor, so I don't think there was a trial on any of those issues.
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+19 20 21 22 23 24 25 But to be clear on the fact that -- because I understand the concern over this, and you'll hear from Mr. Pagliuca that, you know, II, well, it looks like it's photocopied and these are differences. Defendant didn't testify and we have not heard yet that any of the information in the book is wrong. In other words, you'll see, for example, on page 41, there's a list -- and I've highlighted it for you,
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+really a telephone directory.
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+THE COURT: Yes, yes, I understand that. But it's not the what you have is not the original.
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+flagged it -- of Maxwell's family members, all of her family members, their London phone numbers, her Yorkie's veterinarian is list in there. There's no debate that these numbers of these individuals -- Prince Andrew's number is in there -- all of this information in the black book is incorrect, no one is saying that. What they are saying is, Well, I don't know how you got it. And I want to say to Maxwell, Why didn't you produce it in this case? It was on your computer. Where is it? Why do we have to fight over a document that should have been produced in this matter?
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+So, your Honor, I think the integrity of the document is there. But I also want to tell you that there's a couple - when we look at it from an evidentiary perspective, there are a couple of reasons why it's important, and there are a couple of reasons why it doesn't have to come in for the truth of the matter asserted.
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+In other words, the fact that, for example, Virginia, my client's number is listed in the massage section, whether or not that number is correct doesn't matter. What matters is the fact that there was information in this book that Maxwell was knowledgeable of at the time she made her defamatory statement. So not offered for the truth of the fact that the number was one, two, three, four, but for the fact that she was aware of this information.
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+Of course, we would like to propose it for the truth of the matter asserted, and I think we can do that under the exceptions that I'm going to talk about here today. But there are also other ways that it can get in, be admissible not for the truth, but to show her awareness of it.
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+So we talked about Maxwell's testimony.
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+The other person I think is really key, because he's basically an uninterested party, is Juan Allessi. So Juan Allessi was the house staff member that we deposed in this matter. He identified the book. That's also in the document that I gave you. What he says -- he's shown the exhibit. And he says: This was a Rolodex. It was a blue book. It was called the blue or the black book. I think it was thick.
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+And he says -- okay.
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+He says: With these pages in it, to begin with he starts looking at the pages.
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+And then he says -- the question is: And where would this book be kept in the house?
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+This book was kept at Jeffrey's desk, his desk, his pool house, it was with Ms. Maxwell, it was in his bedroom.
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+"Q. Ms. Maxwell, what -- you're naming the locations where the book was kept; correct?
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+"A. Yes, at Ms. Maxwell's desk."
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+And that's in Juan Allessi's testimony, the transcript that I gave you, at 114 and 115.
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+And then finally, your Honor, we have Rodriguez's testimony, who is the deceased individual who took the book. And he testified that Ms. Maxwell kept the book with the names of the girls who would provide the massages.
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+And he said, answer: We used to have internal books for pilots, masseuses, chefs, so they would have a -- she would have a copy of the black book with herself as well as on her computer.
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+So that's from Rodriguez in the Jane Doe 102 cases. Of course he's deceased, so we couldn't depose him in this case.
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+So, your Honor, I believe, in my view, that there is definitely a plethora of witness testimony we can utilize to, first, authenticate under 901, which, as you know, that burden is not extremely high. The Discenzi case, which we cite, which is a Second Circuit case from 2001, talks about the fact that authentication is not a beyond-a-reasonable-doubt standard; it's a standard for the reasonable juror to be able to say the document is what it purports to be. This is a telephone directory. It's got the names and numbers in it; it is what it purports to be. So I think we clearly meet that hurdle, your Honor.
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+And then when we look at the exceptions, you mention the business records exception. I believe that we can establish through the testimony that this was a document that the house staff used in order to contact these young girls, contact other individuals that they socialized with, what have you; it was kept in the course of their employment for purposes of a telephone directory. So I believe it meets that qualification under 803(6).
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+But, your Honor, there's a couple of others that I want to point out to you.
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+I also believe that it's nonhearsay under 801(d)(2) because it's an admission of Maxwell. She's admitted that this is the stolen document. She's also admitted in her testimony, because I asked her about some entries, there's the name of , and that's in your binder as well. is listed under the category that says "Florida Massage."
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+I said, why is she there?
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+And she said, An input error, were her words.
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+So she also adopts the document in that she knows that there were input errors in it; it was something they had at the house that they utilized for contacting people.
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+I also think it falls within an exception that's not regularly used, but it does address this issue, and that's
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+4 5 6 7 803(17). That's a market reports and directories exception. What that does it is says telephone directories have an inherent exception to the hearsay rule because typically there are not an immense amount of errors in them. They're phone numbers with names; it's not a document that doesn't have trustworthiness to it. So I think it falls under that exception as well.
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+8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 But as a fallback, I think this is the perfect type of document for 807, which is the residual hearsay exception, because it meets all four prongs of that test, your Honor. I know that is not something that's often used, but the reason for that exception is if you've got a document that is what it purports to be and has the circumstances of trustworthiness about it, it's an important piece of material evidence in the case, it's probative on the point, and admitting it is in the interest of justice. I think that's the fourth prong. I think that's key here. Because we don't have Jeffrey Epstein testifying about it.
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+19 20 21 22 23 24 25 If he takes the Fifth, I can't say, Was this the record that you kept in your house for all your house staff to use. It's in the interest of justice because this is something that wasn't produced in this case; so I don't have it directly from Maxwell's computer. But it is something that is what it purports to be and should be admitted into evidence, your Honor. So I believe it meets that exception.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Finally, I just want to cover very briefly the fact that it meets for nonhearsay purposes. So this document can be admitted to show that on January 2nd, when Maxwell said my client was lying about her claims of sexual abuse and trafficking, that those claims were obvious lies; that she was aware that this document existed. Even if the numbers in it are wrong, even if there's a name in it that's incorrect, she was aware that there was a document that had these categories in it. For each of the houses there are lists of female masseuses and things of that nature. Whether they're actually masseuses is contested obviously, but there's a category for those various places.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 So we believe that it can be offered for that reason, the nonhearsay reasons, to show the relationship between Epstein and Maxwell, the fact that all of her family members are listed in it, it's got other contact information that is important to her personal world that's in that document. So we believe it should be admitted for those reasons as well.
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+19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Your Honor, finally, I wanted to say if the concern is over the handwriting on the first several pages of the document -- and again, we did the handwriting expert really in an abundance of caution so that we could be sure to get the document into evidence -- we could just admit the piece of the document that's the directory itself. So that would be another option to bypass any concern to the extent there is concern
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+4 5 6 7 8 MS. McCAWLEY: The handwriting in the front is Alfredo Rodriguez's handwriting. He wrote out basically on the front of the document the people that he thought were important in this sex trafficking scheme. So he put the people that he thought had important information.
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+9 10 THE COURT: So it's not really that's separate and apart from the --
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+11 MS. McCAWLEY: The actual directory, yes, yes.
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 It was produced as an entire document; but the first several pages, which is attached actually to their motion in limine -- but there's an affidavit from the special agent Christina Pryor in Florida that lays out what that is and the fact that that document was the purchase document, the one that he tried to sell.
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+18 19 THE COURT: That handwriting is a different issue than the admission of the book.
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+20 21 22 23 MS. McCAWLEY: Yes. So, in other words, that's what I'm trying to say; it could be separated. So we did it, again, in an abundance of caution, because that's how we have the document. The first, I think, six pages are the handwriting --
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+24 THE COURT: Let me ask you this.
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+25 MS. McCAWLEY: Sure.
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+over that.
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+THE COURT: The handwriting in the front, what is the handwriting in the front?
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+4 MS. McCAWLEY: That's a separate hearing, I think, in two weeks, your Honor.
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+5 6 7 So there's a debate over that. There is testimony from Rodriguez's testimony in the Jane Doe 102 complaint -- or case, I'm sorry, that we are trying to get into evidence.
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+8 9 10 THE COURT: Whatever the decision on Rodriguez's testimony is, that portion, that handwriting portion, is going to be the same issue, and that's not a black book issue.
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+11 MS. McCAWLEY: Right.
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+12 13 I think the issue can be separated is what I'm trying to say.
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+14 THE COURT: Well, it is separate, is it not?
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+15 16 MS. McCAWLEY: Yes. I mean the directory itself could be admitted into evidence, regardless of the --
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+17 18 19 20 THE COURT: No, but I mean there are two different things. The directory is whatever it is; maybe it's a business record or whatever. But his handwriting is not part of the black book.
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+21 MS. McCAWLEY: Right.
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+22 23 24 25 The only reason we tied it is because what you're probably going to hear from Mr. Pagliuca is they brought up things like chain of custody, which I don't believe is at issue here, but concerns over that. So we wanted to make sure that
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+THE COURT: Does Rodriguez's testimony get in in this case? I think not.
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+THE COURT: You mean you would want that handwriting admitted not for the substance of what is being said, but simply to identify that it's Rodriguez and Rodriguez had the book.
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+MS. McCAWLEY: Exactly. Exactly.
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+The handwriting is not being put in for the truth of whatever he was writing or anything of that nature. We only did it, again, in an abundance of caution to say it matches up. Because we can't bring him in here, because he's deceased. So it matches up; this is what he took; this is the directory. Again, Maxwell identified it.
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+THE COURT: All of that relates to the chain of custody presumably.
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+MS. McCAWLEY: Right, which I think it does. But I think that's a bit of a red herring because, again, we're not talking about --
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+THE COURT: Well, I'm leaving aside Maxwell's statement.
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+MS. McCAWLEY: Sure. Right.
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+We're not talking about cocaine being transported where you would have a concern over the chain of custody and it being what it is. It's the telephone directory. There's no
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 So, yes, your Honor. So we believe that it is admissible. At a minimum, we'd like you to allow us to at least try to present that at trial. If you have any concerns, because we will, again, have the witnesses here, so we can present additional testimony to the extent there is any concern. But we do believe that that is a critical piece of evidence that should be admitted and the jury should be able to see.
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+10 Thank you, your Honor.
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+16 17 18 But I think it's important for the Court to understand and put into context first what I will call the Alfredo Rodriguez timeline.
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+19 20 21 22 By the way, your Honor, there's a response that I have due tomorrow on this issue. I think there's a reply on this issue as well that will be forthcoming. So the Court is going to get additional briefing on this in the next few days.
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+23 24 25 First of all, your Honor, Mr. Rodriguez worked for Mr. Epstein, as I understand it, in 2004 for a period of six months. That testimony is reflected in Mr. Rodriguez's
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+After 2005, he works for someone else. Mr. Rodriguez is first interviewed by the Palm Beach Police Department in 2006 and denies possessing any documents. He's then interviewed by the FBI in 2007 and denies possessing any documents.
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+In 2009, he is the subject of not one, but two depositions in which he denies possessing any documents. Then in August of 2009, Mr. Rodriguez contacts what the FBI refers to as "CW." CW is one of the lawyers involved in the Jane Doe cases, who I reasonably believe is Mr. , who's one of the lawyers in this case, your Honor. And CW then contacts the FBI; and the FBI sets up a sting operation to indict Mr. Rodriguez.
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+If I can approach, your Honor, I'd like to talk a little bit about the affidavit that I will tender as Defendant's Exhibit 1 to this hearing.
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+Your Honor, this is the arrest affidavit as part of the criminal complaint involving Mr. Rodriguez. This is important, your Honor, in terms of this discussion because what
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+In paragraph 6 of this document, your Honor, the affiant, who's Special Agent Pryor, at the end of paragraph 6 says that the CW, who I believe is Mr. , explained this conversation with Rodriguez. And according to CW, Rodriguez explained that he, Rodriguez, not anyone else, had compiled lists of additional victims in the case and their contact information. Rodriguez explained that the information contained hundreds of additional victims and their phone numbers from diverse geographical locations, including New York, New Mexico, and Paris, France. So the FBI is affirming initially that Rodriguez is claiming that this is his document.
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+Then we go to paragraph 9 of this arrest warrant affidavit, your Honor. The FBI has an undercover employee that sets up the telephone conversation with Mr. Rodriguez, which is recounted in paragraph 9. The undercover employee of the FBI calls Mr. Rodriguez on October 29th, 2009, and Mr. Rodriguez says he didn't turn this over before, because in the first bracketed paragraph 1 at the end of paragraph 9, it was his property and he should be compensated for it. So Rodriguez, to the FBI, is claiming that this is his property, not something that belonged to Epstein or anyone else.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Then, your Honor, the next important part of this document is paragraph 11 of this arrest warrant affidavit. It's on page 4. This is on November 3rd, is the meeting between Rodriguez and the undercover agent. And at that meeting, the FBI says that Rodriguez produced a small bound book and several sheets of legal pad paper containing handwritten notes. So what they are describing here, your Honor, is two separate items of evidence that they recovered from Rodriguez, the first being these legal pad notations, and the second being a bound book.
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+11 12 13 14 If I can approach now, your Honor, with Exhibit B to this hearing. You have multiple copies of this, but I thought it might be easier for discussion purposes if you had one when we are talking about the actual document.
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+15 16 17 18 There are a couple of things, your Honor, that are critically important about how this document appears, which belies all of the assertions that were made by plaintiff's counsel about this.
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+19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The first thing that I will point out, your Honor, is, as you already noted, that the first what I have is five pages of this document are handwritten and, according to the plaintiff, it's by Mr. Rodriguez. When you look at the substance of the handwriting in the first five pages, your Honor, and if you go to page 5, in the middle of page 5, there is -- first of all, there are a number of stars next to
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+4 5 MR. PAGLIUCA: Page 5. They are paginated at the bottom of the document, your Honor.
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+6 THE COURT: II, yes, I see.
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+7 MR. PAGLIUCA: And they are double-sided.
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+8 THE COURT: II, yes, yes.
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+9 10 11 12 13 MR. PAGLIUCA: So if we look at page 5, we have this bracket, "important witness," and then these names and phone numbers. And then if you go down, there's another name at the bottom of the page. And then it says, "Witness, interacted and chat daily with underaged girls."
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+14 So this is clearly not a phone directory.
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+15 16 THE COURT: Excuse me. Where I'm looking at says "important email/addresses."
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+17 18 MR. PAGLIUCA: That's at the top of the page. Correct.
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+19 THE COURT: And then --
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+20 21 MR. PAGLIUCA: And then in the middle of the page there's a bracket.
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+22 THE COURT: II, yes.
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+24 THE COURT: I got you.
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+different names. But in the middle, there's a bracket. And it says "important witness" there, your Honor.
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+THE COURT: I'm not --
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+So this document is prepared by Mr. Rodriguez in an effort to make money in connection with these Jane Doe cases.
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+Now, here's what is also very curious and very interesting about this document, your Honor, and this cannot be lost in the shuffle here: The document in its entirety, your Honor, is paginated 1 through 97. So here's the question: How did those numbers get on this document, your Honor? When we compare the description of what the FBI got to this document, the FBI is describing handwritten legal pages and then a book.
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+THE COURT: It would appear, would it not, that the book is what follows.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, one might think that, your Honor. However, it's not paginated in this format when it's taken by the FBI. And that's the point that I'm trying to make here, that this document is paginated after the fact.
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+I know your Honor has done hundreds, if not thousands, of criminal cases and involving the FBI. Your Honor knows, as I do, for having done that kind of work, that when the FBI takes something as evidence, they log it. And they are going to log it in this case as two separate items, and it's going to be produced -- if it gets produced as part of Rule 16 criminal discovery, it's going to get produced exactly how it was obtained by the FBI. And they describe what it looked like in
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 They do not describe what the Court has that was shown Lo Ms. Maxwell as a complete Exhibit 13. This document has never been referred to as anything other than some "black book" prepared by Maxwell by the plaintiff. I think now they realize the multitude of evidentiary problems with this. So now they are trying to say, II, well, we take it back. It's not one document; maybe it's two documents, because we want part of it. But it's produced as one document here with 97 pages, which I submit to you, your Honor, happened after the fact. Recall that the FBI gets this document in 2009. The first time I ever see it as part of this case, so in 2015, I'm supposing, is the first time I see this.
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+14 15 16 What I want to switch to, your Honor, because I think it becomes important, as well, this document has a lot of unexplained problems with it.
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+17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 So on the first page, if you look at the top, this is the cover page of this document. You can see that there used to be staples on the first page, because there are these little black holes that look exactly like somebody removed staples and then photocopied it. And then if you look at the fourth page of the document, which also says "confidential," it looks like staples have been photocopied over there at the top of the page. And when you continue through the document, there are all these odd-looking, what appear to be tabs that appear at
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+4 5 the sides of the pages. For example, page 6, page 7, there are these tabs that are sticking off the side that look like they got photocopied that are unexplained, and randomly throughout this document appear and disappear, making the entire content of this document highly suspect, in my view.
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+6 7 8 9 10 11 When you further go through the document, there's highlighting, there's underlining, there are brackets, there are boxes. So all of this tells you that this document has been manipulated, and I don't mean manipulated in a bad way; it's changed over time, which leads me next to the chain of custody.
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+12 THE COURT: What was shown to the defendant?
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+13 14 MR. PAGLIUCA: This document itself, your Honor, exhibit -- this is Maxwell --
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+15 THE COURT: What I have in my hand?
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+16 17 18 19 MR. PAGLIUCA: Yes, the one you have in your hand, Maxwell Exhibit 13. And you can see there's two stickers on there, the Maxwell Exhibit 13, 4/22/16, and then my sticker as well.
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+20 THE COURT: II, yes. I see. I see.
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+21 MR. PAGLIUCA: That's what was shown to my client.
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+22 THE COURT: Okay. Thanks.
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+23 24 25 MR. PAGLIUCA: So Mr. Rodriguez, your Honor, to continue with this saga, he first gets arrested for this and then pleads guilty on March 18th, 2010, to obstruction of
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 justice. On the same day, the same day, March 18th, 2010, the same day, he drives from the meeting with the undercover folks to somewhere in Miami and gets arrested with a bunch of guns when he's coming out of a house carrying guns. And the arresting officers then go into his car and find the plea paperwork from this plea. They then go to his house, they search his house, and he ends up with somewhere in the neighborhood of 84 guns and gets indicted under 18 U.S.C. 922(g), possession of a weapon by a convicted felon. So we have a two-time now-convicted felon that is the seminal font, according to the plaintiff, of this highly-reliable document.
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+12 In my view, this is a very curious transition here.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The plaintiff says in their papers that the document, the document, whatever that is, goes from the FBI to Mr. Rodriguez's criminal defense lawyer as part of the criminal discovery; and then somehow Mr. ends up with that, and then somehow that gets produced in this case. Well, that is not a reliable chain of custody, your Honor. It vitiates any business record exception or any other exception in the hearsay rules, because no one knows what happened to this thing in between 2009 and 2015, when it gets produced in this case. I am not willing to accept plaintiff's representations on this as to what it is or isn't. I've never had the opportunity to question or cross-examine anybody about this document; it just shows up in the course of this case. Mr. somehow got
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+it and just trust us about the chain of custody here, which does not match up with the FBI affidavit.
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+So let me now talk about what they claim is the deposition testimony.
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+Your Honor, this is selective editorializing by plaintiff's counsel about what these transcripts say. So I would just like to tender to the Court, having gone through these transcripts -- I tried, and I think I accomplished, pulling out every reference to this document that I could find in the Allessi, Rodriguez, and Maxwell deposition testimony. And I hate to burden the Court -- well, it's not too much, but we shouldn't have to be doing this. Unfortunately, you have this selective ellipses on the actual testimony which ends up making this very, in my view, disingenuous.
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+So Exhibit C, your Honor, is going to be Mr. Allessi's testimony; Exhibit D is going to be Mr. Rodriguez's testimony; and Exhibit E is going to be Ms. Maxwell's testimony.
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+So let me start, your Honor, with Ms. Maxwell's testimony, which I believe is Exhibit E.
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+What I would like the Court to note is that, first of all, what you have, Exhibit 13 in this hearing, Exhibit A, was what was shown to Ms. Maxwell. There is no way that she could have ever seen that document before, because as you've already pointed out, the first five pages are handwritten and they are handwritten, we assume, some time in circa 2009, if
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+4 5 6 7 8 Mr. Rodriguez is to be believed. Mr. Rodriguez, who's there for a brief time in 2004, we've already highlighted the fact that he's said that he didn't have these documents for a number of years after the fact. When she's asked about the document, she is surmising that this is what she's referring to as the stolen document. And when you go through that transcript, you can see that she's asked directly by Ms. McCawley, "Do you know how this book was created?" That's the question.
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+That's the transcript at 317, lines 21 through 23.
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+She's asked about the book again and she says: "I have read that Alfredo stole the document."
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+That's what she says.
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+"I have read that Alfredo stole the document."
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+That's at page 330, lines 19 through 20.
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+Then she's asked: "Where did you read that?"
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+And she says: "I believe it was reported in the press."
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+And that's at lines 22 and 23.
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+She's asked a question by Ms. McCawley: "So is Alfredo Rodriguez telling the truth when he says he downloaded that book from your computer?"
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+Which is another interesting sort of side turn here, your Honor, because I'm a little unclear, frankly, reading the papers, where the plaintiff says this book actually came from,
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+because in parts of their papers they claim it was downloaded from Ms. Maxwell's computer; in other parts of their papers they claim that it was stolen from somewhere in one of the houses. I don't think they know and they don't care. They just want to say, We want this in and we don't care. And she says she has no knowledge of anything coming off of her computer, and it wouldn't have come off of her computer because she didn't keep anything like whatever this is on her computer. That's her testimony.
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+She says: "I don't know where this document came from, so I can't possibly say this document was on any computer that I may have had access to."
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+That's at transcript page 332, lines 8 through 11.
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+So that sort of rounds out the morass of the questioning about what this questioning is. There's no way Maxwell could know what it is because it's created by Mr. Rodriguez after the fact. Anything that she says about it, frankly, is just speculative.
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+Let me then turn to Mr. Allessi's testimony.
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+First of all, it's important to note that Mr. Allessi was not employed in this time frame. Mr. Allessi, I believe, left the employment of Mr. Epstein in 2001, late '1 or early '02. So this is some two, three years after the fact. And Mr. Allessi would have really no knowledge about what this is, Exhibit 13, in Maxwell's deposition.
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+When Mr. Allessi sees this document in the deposition, your Honor, he looks at the pages and he says, "This is not my writing. I never saw it." I never saw this, meaning this exhibit, this exact same exhibit. That's in Mr. Allessi's transcript at page 113, lines 20 through 21.
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+And then when he was talking about historical information regarding how books, phone books, if you will, were created, he said, "This book was changed. It would change every year. It was sent from New York."
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+That's his testimony on the subject. I may not have the exact cite on that, but it will be in my papers; it will show up tomorrow, so you will get it. But that's his testimony on this, your Honor.
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+And then Mr. Rodriguez, his testimony is very slim on this and very confusing. But, in any event, you have the three pages of Mr. Rodriguez, who really doesn't lay any evidentiary foundation here, because what they are talking about here is accessing information on a computer, not in any sort of a book.
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+So now let me turn to what I believe are some of the real evidentiary issues in this case, your Honor.
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+First, let's talk about the authentication of this document.
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+I recognize that there is a lower threshold for authentication, but they don't have a witness, any witness, who could come into this courtroom and say what this thing is,
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+because it is a compilation document, apparently created by Mr. Rodriguez, but I don't know that, that has clearly been manipulated over the years, given the staple holes, the different pages, the handwriting, and so there is no confidence that this document is what they purport it to be, which is some address book of Epstein's. And that's their burden. And their burden is to produce a witness in this case that can actually provide some form of reliable chain of custody, which they cannot.
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+803(6). The law is very clear that in order to admit a document under a business record exception to the hearsay rule, we have to meet certain requirements, the first being that whatever the document is, that it's kept in the ordinary course of someone's business. Here, there is no evidence to that. There is no author that has personal knowledge of the matters that are represented in the book; there is no person who can say that this information was transmitted by someone with knowledge and kept in the regular course of regularly-conducted activity; and that it was the practice of someone to actually record that information. There's not one person who will testify to that or has testified to that. So they don't meet this standard.
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+In this case, it's clear that this document, the document, and they call it the black book, well, it's neither black nor a book, and let me make that point clear. This was
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+prepared by Mr. Rodriguez trying to extort \$50,000 out of the plaintiff's lawyers in the civil case. So there is no regularly-conducted business activity that this document is associated with; it's associated with a crime is what it's associated with. And these kinds of documents that are prepared by individuals for some other purpose are regularly rejected as business records in this circuit and every other circuit that has addressed this kind of an issue.
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+So then they turn to 801(d)(2). Again, this shows you that they don't know what they are doing with this document, the plaintiff and her lawyers, your Honor. Because when you look at their notice of residual hearsay that they filed with the Court, which is at docket entry 601, they claim in that docket entry that Alfredo Rodriguez is the declarant for purposes of this exhibit.
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+So why is that important, your Honor?
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+Well, first of all, they've represented to the Court in their pleading, in their notice of residual hearsay exception, that Mr. Rodriguez is the declarant. That, in my view, is a judicial admission. You cannot take that position in docket entry 601 and then say something else. In order for something to be admissible as an admission under 801(d)(2), well, guess what, the person you're admitting it against has to be the declarant of the statement. They've already said that Rodriguez is the declarant of this statement, so that leaves
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+Maxwell out for any 801(d)(2) admission by law, by definition, under Rule 801(d)(2).
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+And then they make a weak argument that somehow this is an adoptive admission and there's no evidence to support that. In order to make this an adoptive admission, Ms. Maxwell would have had to direct someone to do it, have knowledge of them doing it, somehow said, II, yeah, that's right. There's no evidence of that before the Court. And, in fact, the evidence is to the contrary. Ms. Maxwell repeatedly testified at her deposition that she didn't have anything to do with anybody entering in phone numbers or addresses or anything else as part of this book. But, in any event, the declarant is Rodriguez, according to the plaintiff in her pleadings.
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+803(17). I laughed when I read this in the papers. This exception is for telephone books. • Bell didn't put together this book, your Honor. So the notion that this is something that is admitted under 803(17) is absurd and I'm not going to spend anymore time on it.
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+Then finally, they argue the residual hearsay exception. It's worth pointing out that when you flunk every other admissibility test under the rules of evidence, you probably have a real problem with circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness. Here, we have lots of problems with guarantees of trustworthiness.
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+First, it's Mr. Rodriguez is creating this book to get
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+50 grand out and purpose. times under oath saying he doesn't have this manufactured it after the fact. But, in and a perjurer at that. of the lawyers. So we start with a suspect This is Mr. Rodriguez, who has either stuff, any event, He gets indicted not once, motive lied two or he's a liar but twice, and gets sentenced to 48 months in a federal penitentiary. So that's the seminal fount of this person, the declarant, credulity that they are offering Mr. Rodriguez, for this document.
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+I wonder about No. this is being offered for. 2, what's I haven't lot of noise. At the end of the day, this giant hearsay document unknown origin that has all then point to and argue off the material fact that heard it. I've heard what they really want from an unknown source and an of these names in it that they of and argue the truth of the a is can matter asserted during the course of the trial. It is, I believe, irresponsible to admit this kind of a document without any foundation for what's the purpose of this thing in the course of this trial. Probative. Again, I don't know what they are offering it for, so I'm questioning the probative nature of this. But this is not a residual hearsay document, given how it's been created.
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+get in a offering Finally and sort piece of hearsay it for the truth of the last gasp of someone who can't evidence, is, Well, we are not of the matter asserted. How many times have you heard that, your Honor, from people who are
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+trying to get in evidence that they don't have an evidentiary foundation for. Well, they are clearly trying to offer it for some truth of the matter asserted, otherwise it's not relevant 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 to any issue in this case. You're going to put in a 97-page document, the first five pages of which are handwritten and contain things like "important witness," star, star, star, and say, Well, we are not offering that for the truth of the matter asserted. Well, then what are you offering it for? I haven't heard any precise evidentiary hypothesis that would support the notion that this should be admitted for anything. And if it were, the ability to create confusion with the jury and prejudice in this case grossly outweighs any alleged nonhearsay purpose.
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+14 15 Unless you have any other questions for me, your Honor, that's all I have.
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+16 17 MS. McCAWLEY: Your Honor, I just have some brief points in reply, if you would entertain them.
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+18 THE COURT: Sure.
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+19 MS. McCAWLEY: Thank you.
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 You've obviously heard a lot about Mr. Rodriguez, because the defendants want you to focus on that, because that's a distraction. You haven't heard them say, The names and numbers in this book are not correct. Maxwell looked at the exhibit during her deposition. She identified it. She said, This is the stolen document. She knows it because they
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+used it regularly at the house to call people. For goodness sake, her veterinarian for her Yorkie is in there, okay; all of her family members; every single house that they had that they owned together. If you look at it, like, for example, on page 41 and 91, where each of the houses are listed, you'll see Epstein's numbers, all of his various cell phones, and you'll see Maxwell's numbers and all of her various things, right. So there's no evidence that this is not what it purports to be, a telephone directory.
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+We have already said that with respect to the beginning pages that are handwritten, we don't need to admit those. I'm frankly happy to not have those in. It's the telephone directory that we're interested in here. And it does have guarantees of trustworthiness. It has Maxwell identifying.
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+They are saying no witness. Juan Allessi, who they were entitled to cross-examine on this document during his deposition, identified the document. We did put all of those pages, by the way, your Honor, in the binder that I gave you. I'd like to mark that as Plaintiff's Composite Exhibit 1. It includes the document -- it's the black book. It includes Maxwell's testimony, Juan Allessi's testimony, Alfredo Rodriguez's testimony, your Honor, and all of the pages where those were referenced. And we didn't clip them; they are all in there.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 So, your Honor, if you look at that though, that's what you're going to see; you're going to see Juan Allessi saying specifically in his testimony, this was the book. He says, This book was kept at Jeffrey's desk, his desk at the pool. It was with Ms. Maxwell. It was in his bedroom. He identified the phone directory and said, I worked there; I was the ; this was the book; and this is where it was in the house. So if they didn't cross-examine him on that, that's not my problem. This is the book; it's the phone directory; it was identified by staff who worked there, who has no incentive to say it's something else. So, your Honor, that testimony is in here with respect to that.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 Now, also I want to point out that the affidavit of Christina Pryor, that paragraph 13 is very important in that affidavit because while they try to make a lot of fuss about this trying to elude that this is not the book -- I'm sorry, it's paragraph 11. In that affidavit she says, Rodriguez explained that he had taken the bound book from his employer's residence while employed there in 2004 to 2005; and that the book has been created by persons working for his former employer.
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+22 23 24 25 This is the telephone directory book. They are identifying it right here. He's trying to say something about pagination and, II, it looks photocopied and things of that nature. Your Honor, what matters is that the evidence in the
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+book, the names, the numbers, that information. Maxwell didn't 4 5 6 look at it and say, II, wait, that's not the book, because it has -- at the very bottom there's a one, two, three, four, and I don't recognize it. That's not what she said, your Honor. And we should be entitled to put her on the stand, if that's going to be their position, and get that information from her.
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+7 8 9 10 So, your Honor, what she did during her deposition was identify it as the document that it is. So we believe that it certainly comes in through her; it certainly comes in through Juan Allessi and has been authenticated by them.
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+11 12 THE COURT: Clearly what she was shown was not the book.
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+13 14 MS. McCAWLEY: No, that's not correct, your Honor. What she was shown is Exhibit 13.
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+15 16 THE COURT: I'm saying, yes, but that's not the book; it's a copy of the book.
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+17 18 19 20 MS. McCAWLEY: Yes, your Honor. You're correct. We have a copy is what we have. You're correct. We don't have anything that's bound; we have the copy that was produced in discovery, that is correct.
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+21 22 23 24 25 But, your Honor, I will tell you, she didn't say, those aren't the names and numbers of my family members on pages 41, or that isn't what was the directory that we utilized at the home. She said, That's the stolen document. I'd like to know how you got it. •
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+4 THE COURT: But going to the probative use of this, it is, in your view, probative that there is a record of her phone numbers in Epstein's house, is that the point?
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+5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 MS. McCAWLEY: That's one of the points, your Honor. But more important is the section at page 91 which says "Florida Massage." It has my client's number listed, who was underage, it has witnesses that we are going to put on the stand who were underage at the time they are listed in that book. So it shows that they kept, as part of their sex trafficking ring, a book that had phone numbers of a number of people, but clearly had "Florida Massage," underage individuals listed in that book.
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+14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 So Maxwell has come forward in the international press and said, You're a liar, because I didn't sexually abuse you or sexually traffic you. So that book, this phone directory, that they kept at their home with the names and numbers of underaged people in it, is highly probative in this case. First of all, it shows that Maxwell had knowledge generally. Even if you don't put it in for the truth of the fact that that person's name and number is what's represented, she had knowledge of the fact that there were these sections within the book. So, your Honor, it's highly probative in this case. I believe it's a critical piece of evidence and it shows she had knowledge that this information was there. It also
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+So, your Honor, with respect to that, we've set forth the testimony. And particularly Juan Allessi who, again, is an uninterested party because he was just simply the house staff, and he identifies it, I read to you that portion at page 114. There's also the portion where he says -- at 115 he says -- the question is: Do you know whether the people within this book are Jeffrey Epstein's friends, Ghislaine Maxwell's friends or both, and he answers both. So that's Juan Allessi talking about the substance of the book. He identifies it; he knows what's in it; and he talks about the substance of the book. And he was an employee at the home, your Honor.
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+With respect to 801(b)(2), the legal argument there, it is an adoptive admission. So while Jeff tried to make a fuss about the fact that the declarant -- okay. Sorry.
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+THE COURT: Nobody has testified that people listed on that page, you say the critical page, were -- it's a copy that has a listing. But nobody has testified that it is a copy of the black book.
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+MS. McCAWLEY: Yes, your Honor.
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+Juan Allessi, who we're talking about right now -- and that's the testimony that we elicited from him. We showed him Exhibit 13, the entire document --
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+THE COURT: He did not -- well, you think his testimony says, I know that this is a copy of what was on page whatever of the black book.
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+MS. McCAWLEY: For example, we show him the book. And you'll see he says -- and we ask him what I just read: Do you know whether the people within this book -- so we're showing him the exhibit. Do you know whether the people within this group are Jeffrey Epstein's friends, Ghislaine Maxwell's friends, or both. And he says both.
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+How do you know that, we said.
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+Because these people I know; they were his friends; they called; they came by the house, etc.
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+And then we went through some of the names with him in the book. So we did identify the book and the names in the book.
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+And, your Honor, at trial we are going to call witnesses who are in the book and who will say, I was underage at the time I was brought in. My name and number are listed there.
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+THE COURT: That's a whole different thing.
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+MS. McCAWLEY: If your concern is over identifying whether the book is what it purports to be, there is witness
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+THE COURT: Yes. But clearly that doesn't work here.
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+Let me put it to you. If you have a case that has a document like this that is in, I'd be pleased to see it. Offhand, just without looking at any authority, I would say a telephone directory is a telephone directory. And this isn't • Bell, as your brother has indicated.
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+So just in closing, I would like to reiterate that if for some reason the Court does not find that it meets one of
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+MS. McCAWLEY: Not for the truth. Of course in civil discovery we do that often.
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+THE COURT: No, but you do want it for the truth; because you're identifying people that --
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+MS. McCAWLEY: I understand. Yes, I would like to admit it for the truth under the exceptions I've given you.
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+THE COURT: Thank you, all.
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+IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
+FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+[REDACTED]
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+USA / Plaintiff(s)
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+GHISLAINE MAXWELL
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+Case No.: 15CV7433
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+NOTICE OF FILING OF OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT
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+Notice is hereby given that an official transcript of a CONFERENCE held on 3/16/17 has been filed by the court reporter/transcriber in the above-captioned matter.
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+Redaction responsibilities apply to the attorneys of record or pro se parties, even if the person requesting the transcript is a judge or a member of the public or media.
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+The parties have seven (7) calendar days from the date of filing of this NOTICE to file with the court any NOTICE OF INTENT TO REQUEST REDACTION of this transcript. A copy of said NOTICE must also be served on the court reporter. If no such NOTICE is filed, the transcript may be made remotely electronically available to the public without redaction after ninety (90) calendar days.
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+This process may only be used to redact the following personal data identifiers: Social Security numbers; dates of birth; minors' names; and financial account numbers. See Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 5.2, and Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 49.1. Parties wishing to request redaction of other information may proceed by motion.
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+I (we) certify that the foregoing is a correct transcript from the record of proceedings in the above-entitled matter.
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+/s MARTHA [REDACTED]
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+Court Reporter/Transcriber
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+Date
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+## UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+Plaintiff,
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+GHISLAINE MAXWELL,
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+X
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+15-cv-07433-RWS
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+## DEFENDANT'S AMENDED SPECIFIC OBJECTIONS TO PLAINTIFF'S DEPOSITION DESIGNATIONS
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+Laura A. Menninger Jeffrey S. Pagliuca Ty Gee HADDON. II= AND P.C. 150 East 10' Avenue Denver, CO 80203 303.831.7364
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+## TABLE OF CONTENTS and PAGES 1-108 REDACTED
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+Dated: April 3, 2017
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+Respectfully submitted,
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+/s/ Laura A. Menninger
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+Laura A. Menninger (LM-1374)
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+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca (pro hac vice)
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+Ty Gee (pro hac vice)
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+HADDON, AND P.C.
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+150 East 10 Avenue
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+Denver, CO 80203
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+Phone: 303.831.7364
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+Fax: 303.832.2628
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+Imenninger@hmflaw.com
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+Attorneys for Chislaine Maxwell
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+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on April 3, 2017, I electronically served this Defendant's Amended Specific Objections to Plaintiff's Designation of Deposition Testimony via email on the following:
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+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith Bows, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+JAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Ave., Ste. 2 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 brad@pathtojustice.com
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+Paul G. Cassell 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112 cassellp@law.utah.edu
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+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
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+Id Nicole
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+Nicole
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+Sigrid McCawley BOLES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+## United States District Court Southern District of New York
+
+Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
+
+v.
+
+Ghislaine Maxwell,
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+Defendant.
+
+## DECLARATION OF SICRID MCCAWLEY IN SUPPORT OF PLAINTIFF'S REPLY IN SUPPORT OF MOTION IN LIMINE TO PRECLUDE DEFENDANT FROM CALLING PLAINTIFF'S ATTORNEYS AS WITNESSES AT TRIAL
+
+I, Sigrid McCawley, declare that the below is true and correct to the best of my knowledge as follows:
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+- 1. 1 am a Partner with the law firm of Boies, Schiller & Flexner, LLP and duly licensed to practice in Florida and before this Court pursuant to this Court's Order granting my Application to Appear Pro Hac Vice.
+ - 2. I respectfully submit this Declaration in Support of Plaintiff's Reply in Support of Motion in Limine to Preclude Defendant from Calling Plaintiff's Attorneys as Witnesses at Trial.
+ - 3. Attached hereto as Sealed Exhibit 1
+ - 4. Attached hereto as Scaled Exhibit 2 is a true and correct copy of the
+ - 5. Attached hereto as Sealed Exhibit 3 is a true and correct copy of
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+I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
+
+Is/ Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCawley, Esq.
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+Dated: April 3, 2017.
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+Respectfully Submitted,
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+By: Isl Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCaS (Pro Hac Vice) Meredith (Pro Hac Vice) Boies Schiller & Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+> David Boies Boies Schiller & Flexner LLP 333 Main Street
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+Armonk, NY 10504 J. (Pro Hac Vice) AFFE, WEISSING, , FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 (954) 5242820
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+Paul G. Cassell (Pro Hac Vice) S.J. Quinney College of Law University of Utah 383 University St. Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-5202i
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+1 This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
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+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on the 3rd day of April 2017, I electronically filed the foregoing document with the Clerk of Court by using the CM/ECF system. I also certify that the foregoing document is being served to all parties of record via transmission of the Electronic Court Filing System generated by CM/ECF.
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+Laura A. Menninger, Esq. Jeffrey Paglito, HADDON, & 150 East 10 Avenue Denver, Colorado 80203 Tel: (303) 831-7364 Fax: (303) 832-2628 Email: Imenninger®hmflaw.com jaagliucaahmflaw.com P.C.
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+> /s/ Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCawley
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+150 East 10th Avenue Denver, Colorado 80203 pH 303.831.7364 FX 303.832.2628 www.hrnflaw.com tgeeithmflaw.com
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+April 3, 2017
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+The Honorable Robert W. Sweet District Judge United States District Court for the Southern District of New York 500 Pearl Street New York, NY 10007 Via ECF
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+Re: Plaintiff's Letter Motion to Redact the Transcript of the Summary-JOnt Hearing on February 16, 2017 v. Maxwell, No. 15-cv-07433-RWS (S.D.N.Y.)
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+Dear Judge Sweet:
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+The Court should deny plaintiff's request filed indiscriminately and without good cause to redact parts of the summary-judgment arguments of the parties held in open court on February 16, 2017.
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+The Protective Order (Doc.062) provides a mechanism by which the parties may designate as "confidential" documents that would warrant protection under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 26(c). The designation is important, since it confers upon the document the Court's imprimatur that, in fact, the document meets the criteria for a protective order, e.g., confidentiality is needed to protect a party or person "from annoyance, embarrassment, oppression, or undue burden or expense," Fed. R. Civ. P. 26(c)(1).
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+Because it carries the Court's imprimatur, the Protective Order provides that the lawyer making the designation certifies (a) she has "reviewed" the document, (b) "there is a valid and good faith basis for such designation," and (c) disclosure of the information in the document to non-parties "would cause a privacy harm to the designating party." Doc.062 ¶ 8. If a non-designating party disagrees with a "confidential" designation, it is entitled under the Protective Order to object, giving notice identifying the information subject to the objection. Id. II 11.
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+Judge Sweet April 3, 2017 Page 2
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+In her letter motion complains we "g[ave] no reason" for objecting to her "confidentiality" designation and "[t]his is the second time" we have objected. That is incorrect. Our objection said, "No portions of the transcript plaintiff has designated are confidential under the Protective Order." If no portion of the transcript is confidential, a fortiori designation of the vast majority of it as confidential is objectionable under Paragraph 11 of the Protective Order.
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+Two things are missing from the letter motion. fails to explain how her designation—her certification—was based on a "valid and good faith basis," Prot. Ord. ¶ 8. The second thing missing is a discussion acknowledging, let alone establishing, she has "good cause," Fed. R. Civ. P. 26(c)(1), for an order to be entered protecting the transcript of the summary-judgment arguments of counsel. She cannot obtain a protective order by ignoring these two things. And she cannot carry her burden by complaining we have "entangle[d]" her in "unnecessary motion practice."
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+We suggest the letter motion's red herrings are intended to distract from the obvious problem with "confidentiality" designation: there was no legal basis for it. She says the transcript should be subject to a protective order because the briefs were. That is an unserious argument. One, the briefs referenced "confidential"-designated materials and the parties' summaryjudgment oral argument on February 16 did not. Two, as proposed Intervenor Cernovich Media pointed out (Docs.810 at 1), the Court did not close the courtroom on February 16. Indeed, it explicitly denied a request to close the courtroom. Media representatives, if not also members of the general public, were resent in the courtroom and heard every word of the argument. certainly knew this. She was opposite Cernovich Media's counsel Jay Wolman, who argued Cernovich Media's motion to intervene in this action to object to "confidentiality" designations. As Mr. Wolman pointedly notes, during the v. Maxwell summary-judgment oral argument he was "sitting at counsels' table the entire time without objection." Doc.810 at 1. At least one print reporter was seated in the gallery. As this Court has made clear, when a reporter is present during a public hearing, there is no "confidentiality" accorded to what is said at the hearing. See 3/9/17 Tr. 7 (agreeing that names of individuals identified in open court are "already a matter of public record" and "I do think what's done is done").
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+conspicuously fails to make any effort to show why any sentence, let alone the entire transcript, of the summary judgment argument should be
+
+Judge Sweet April 3, 2017 Page 3
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+designated "confidential." That is a failure at liftoff. See Vazquez v. City of N.Y., 2014 WL 11510954, at \*1 (S.D.N.Y. May 2, 2014) (denying motion to designate as confidential all videotaped depositions and other recordings, and noting that Rule 26(c) standard of good cause "ordinarily requires a party to show that disclosure will result in a clearly defined, specific and serious injury. Broad allegations of harm, unsubstantiated by specific examples or articulated reasoning, do not satisfy the Rule 26(c) test. Moreover, the harm must be significant, not a mere trifle."); see id. (denying protective order as to specific videotape because it "is already in the hands of the media—which is to say, the proverbial cat is already out of the bag").
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+The motion for protective order should be denied.
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+Very truly yours,
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+s/ Ty Cee
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+Ty Gee
+
+Judge Sweet April 3, 2017 Page 4
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+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on April 3, 2017, I electronically served this Letter Motion Regarding Plaintiff's Letter Motion to Redact the Transcript of the Summary-Judgment Hearing on February 16, 2017 via ECF on the following:
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+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith BOIES, \$CHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+Mi t JAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P. 425 North Andrews Ave., Ste. 2 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 brad@pathtojustice.com
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+Paul G. Cassell 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112 cassellp@law.utah.edu
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+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 L. StanPottinger@aol.com
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+Is/ Nicole
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+Nicole
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+# United States District Court Southern District of New York
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+Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+v.
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+Ghislaine Maxwell,
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+Defendant.
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+### PLAINTIFF'S RESPONSE IN OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANT'S OBJECTION TO PRODUCTION OF FOR IN CAMERA REVIEW AND SECOND MOTION TO COMPEL DEFENDANT TO PRODUCE HER
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+Sigrid McCawley BOLES SCHILLER FLEXNER LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+Plaintiff [REDACTED], by and through her undersigned counsel, hereby files this Response In Opposition to Defendant’s Objection to Production of [REDACTED] Submitted for *In Camera* Review and Second Motion to Compel Defendant to Produce Her [REDACTED]
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+**PRELIMINARY STATEMENT**
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+On August 9, 2016, [REDACTED] submitted a motion to compel seeking, among other things, [REDACTED] [REDACTED]
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+For the foregoing reasons, [REDACTED] respectfully requests that the Court affirm its March 23, 2017, holding that the [REDACTED] submitted by Defendant for *in camera* review is relevant to this action and Order the production of [REDACTED]
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+Dated: April 4, 2017
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+Respectfully Submitted,
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+BOIES SCHILLER FLEXNER LLP
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+By: /s/ Sigrid McCawley
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+Sigrid McCawley (Pro Hac Vice)
+Meredith [REDACTED] (Pro Hac Vice)
+Boies Schiller Flexner LLP
+401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200
+Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301
+(954) 356-0011
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+David Boies
+Boies Schiller Flexner LLP
+333 Main Street
+Armonk, NY 10504
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+[REDACTED] J. [REDACTED] (Pro Hac Vice)
+[REDACTED] JAFFE, WEISSING,
+[REDACTED], FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L.
+425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2
+Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301
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+Paul G. Cassell (Pro Hac Vice)
+S.J. Quinney College of Law
+University of Utah
+383 University St.
+Salt Lake City,
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+UT 84112(801) 585-52022
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+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on April 4, 2017, I electronically filed the foregoing document with the Clerk of Court by using the CM/ECF system. I also certify that the foregoing document is being served this day on the individuals identified below via transmission of Notices of Electronic Filing generated by CM/ECF.
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+> Laura A. Menninger, Esq. Jeffrey Paglio , Es HADDON, & 150 East 10' Avenue Denver, Colorado 80203 Tel: (303) 831-7364 Fax: (303) 832-2628 Email: Imennimzerehmflaw.com jpagliuca@hmflaw.com , P.C.
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+> > /s/ Sigrid McCawlev Sigrid McCawley, Esq.
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+2 This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
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+v. 15 Civ. 7433 (RWS)
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+GHISLAINE MAXWELL,
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+New York, N.Y. March 23, 2017 12:10 p.m.
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+HON. ROBERT W. SWEET,
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+## APPEARANCES
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+BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP Attorneys for Plaintiff
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+BY: SIGRID S. MCCAWLEY
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+J. STANLEY POTINGER PLLC Attorneys for Plaintiff Guiffre
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+BY: J. STANELY POTTINGER
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+S.J. QUINNEY COLLEGE OF LAW AT THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH Attorneys for Plaintiff Guiffre
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+BY: PAUL G. CASSELL
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+HADDON, and , P.C. Attorneys for Defendant Maxwell
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+BY: LAURA A. MENNINGER JEFFREY S. PAGLUICA
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 THE COURT: There a couple of things that I would like Lo raise at this point, and then we'll get to the affairs of the day. I was reading the pretrial order, and it's ham and eggs without the ham, in other words, and you recognize that because you said that you would provide a list of the exhibits on February 21. If you did, I don't think you did is my guess, but you must. Somewhere along the line we have got to get this exhibit list in shape.
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+10 What's your thought with respect to that?
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 17 MS. MCCAWLEY: Your Honor, I don't have the pretrial order that we submitted in front of us. My recollection is we did put in a date for the exchange of exhibits internally and then submission to the court. I believe it was in early April, but I could be wrong about that. I'm sorry, I don't have it in front of me right now. I know we did put in a date certain in the joint pretrial statement that we submitted to your Honor.
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+18 THE COURT: You did. It said February 21.
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+19 20 21 22 MS. MCCAWLEY: I'm sorry. That was the first -- no, you're correct, your Honor. That was our first order, and we submitted a revised joint pretrial stipulation a couple weeks ago, I believe it was.
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+23 24 THE COURT: II, I missed that. All right. What does that provide?
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+25 MS. MCCAWLEY: It provides that we are going to be
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+4 5 6 7 THE COURT: That solves that problem. I have the joint interest agreement. It's been submitted. It occurs to me that it is relevant. If anybody thinks it is not relevant, give me some authority to exclude it.
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+8 Is that agreeable?
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+9 10 11 12 13 MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, your Honor -- this is Jeff Pagliuca on behalf of Ms. Maxwell -- I am not understanding precisely the court's question, but I think if the court is talking about it being introduced into evidence in the trial or for some other purpose?
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+14 15 THE COURT: Well, obviously that is the purpose, right?
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+16 17 MR. PAGLIUCA: I believe there is authority that they shouldn't be admitted at trial.
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+18 19 20 21 22 THE COURT: All right. You will recall that it was a demand, a request for production, and I said submit it in camera to see if it is relevant. It was just submitted just recently, parenthetically, two days ago, that is why I raised it before. It has been submitted.
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+23 24 25 I'm sure that the plaintiff believes that it's relevant, obviously, or they wouldn't have asked for it in the first place. If you want to suppress it for some reason, but I
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+exchanging them to put forth the objections, and I think we submitted it, I want to say, in early April. I don't have the date in front of me. I'm sorry.
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+4 5 6 I am told we have 45 motions on next week. Would you believe that? 45. You people are nuts, but never mind. Never mind. I shouldn't have said that. I withdraw. You're not nuts. You're very diligent. Maybe overly diligent.
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+7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Well, anyhow, whatever you are, I'm going to break that up, I think. Plan to stay for another day next week. I think also today, it probably makes sense, I will be taking the discussion about the experts on submission. But if you would like to be heard, I can do that, or if you think it would be useful to be heard, let's do that tomorrow at noon. The others we'll cope with today.
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+14 MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, you said tomorrow?
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+15 THE COURT: Yes, tomorrow.
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+16 17 MR. PAGLIUCA: We are not available tomorrow. I have matters pending in Colorado that I have to be back for.
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+18 19 20 THE COURT: Don't give me this Colorado stuff. You're going to be here for the better part of April and May, I understand.
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+21 MR. PAGLIUCA: I'm happy to be here, your Honor.
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+22 THE COURT: II, I'm sure.
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+23 24 MR. PAGLIUCA: I have two children that live here. It is not a bad gig for me to come back.
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+25 THE COURT: Understood. I'll take them on submission.
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+think I said a moment ago, it seems to me that it is relevant. It should be produced unless you want to raise that issue. OK?
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+4 5 6 7 8 MS. MCCAWLEY: Right. So the damage claim, we're not asserting special damages. I know that was raised in the context of these motions. Our damage claim is the claim for loss of standing in the community, it's the defamation, per se, claim that we have made in our filings.
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 Within that, we have proposed two experts that talk about the dissemination generally of the defamatory statement, and those are experts that they have moved to exclude all of our experts. Those two also they have moved to exclude. One of them is Mr. , and he is the one who is basically what you call an electronic reputation manager.
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+15 THE COURT: Yes.
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+16 17 18 19 MS. MCCAWLEY: The other one is Dr. Jansen. Dr. Jansen is the one who does web analytics. He testified in the Erin Andrews case. He follows the dissemination on the Internet to show where the quoted statement --
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+20 21 THE COURT: Yes, but there is no claim for emotional damage?
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+22 23 24 25 MS. MCCAWLEY: Yes, that is within that claim. So the actual language of it, which is set forth in our Rule 26 disclosures, goes to the emotional, it's emotional distress, loss of standing in the community, reputation.
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+There is one thing I wanted to ask about the experts. I want to be sure that I understand, what is the plaintiff's damage claim? I think I know, but tell me.
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+THE COURT: Well, she is going to testify obviously. Is there going to be an expert on the emotional damage?
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+MS. MCCAWLEY: Yes, your Honor. Dr. Kliman is our 4 expert.
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+5 THE COURT: That's what I thought.
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+6 MS. MCCAWLEY: Yes.
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+7 THE COURT: That's fine. Thanks.
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+8 9 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, if I may respond to that, please?
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+10 THE COURT: Sure.
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 MS. MENNINGER: Plaintiff has just said that they're not asking for special damages, except the claim to clean up her reputation on the Internet has been found by people like Professor Sachs to be a special damage, and they did not plead that special damage under Rule 90 and they did not disclose that.
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+17 18 THE COURT: I take it that that is covered in your papers?
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+19 20 MS. MENNINGER: It is, your Honor. I just wanted to clarify the statement on the record here regarding that.
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+21 THE COURT: How do you all want to proceed?
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+22 MS. MCCAWLEY: Well, your Honor
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+23 24 THE COURT: Here is a question. We have a question about a witness and that raises the protective order.
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+25 MS. MCCAWLEY: Yes, your Honor.
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+MS. MCCAWLEY: Sure, your Honor. I think you're referring to the nonparty motions that are pending?
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+MS. MCCAWLEY: As I see it, just so I'm clear, so we're all on the same page, the expert motions that were their motions and the two that were ours are going to be taken under submission. Then if I'm correct, what remains would be - there's a defendant's motion in toto, there is plaintiff's motion regarding the phrase testimony in another case, the Dershowitz motion was resolved, he is going to be appearing live, they explain that in their opposition, that one is moot, and then the nonparty motion.
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+MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, the nonparty motions are twofold. On the one hand, plaintiff has filed a motion for a protective order asking that there be no more discovery, and at the same time, we had moved to compel her to provide discovery. I am the movant in terms of the motion to compel, the respondent in terms of the protective order, but I really think the two issues are one.
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+4 5 6 7 8 particular witness about a month and a half ago, your Honor, this was a witness that was "late disclosed." Plaintiff said they had only recently learned about her. It turns out that they had learned about her several months before they told the court they recently learned of her. But in any event, in order to cure the late disclosure, they offered to reopen discovery to allow her to be deposed and also accept service of the subpoena.
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 15 We are here today to talk about her refusal to answer certain questions during her deposition that occurred on February 17, and we are here to talk about her refusal to provide certain documents pursuant to the subpoena, both of which were, if you will, matters that were proposed by plaintiff to cure the late disclosure so that they could present her testimony at trial.
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+16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 In the first place, we served this witness with don't know if we are supposed to use her name or not based on the last time we were here, I'll just call her the witness - we served the witness with a subpoena accepted by counsel for plaintiff, and approximately 18 pages of documents were produced and some photographs. The photographs apparently were given to her by another person. Then a copy of her expired passport. That was, as you might imagine, not the only documents that were requested from her.
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+25 Part of the problem here, your Honor, is that this
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+4 5 THE COURT: I know. Let me just say flat out, I am not going to get involved in that other case.
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+6 7 8 9 10 11 12 MS. MENNINGER: I totally understand, your Honor. The only issue that I was raising in this regard is that she has the same lawyers in this case who are also plaintiff's lawyers. So there are, I think, seven or so lawyers representing her. She said she was unable to produce a privilege log for any of her privileged materials that she asserted in her responses to requests one, three, and five.
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+13 14 THE COURT: That was only related with respect to Dershowitz, right?
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 MS. MENNINGER: That was at her deposition, your Honor. That is not the only privilege she asserted in responding to subpoena requests. In her subpoena requests, there were four specific requests. She asserted privilege and she did not produce a privilege log. Those are items number one, two, three and five. She raised privilege, she didn't say whether she actually had any privileged materials, and then she did not provide a privilege log.
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+23 24 25 You are correct, your Honor, with respect to the assertion of privilege during the deposition. She asserted that her conversations with Mr. Dershowitz were privileged, but
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+witness is not only a witness in the trial --
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+THE COURT: I know. I know what she is.
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+MS. MENNINGER: -- she also has --
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+Your Honor, with respect back to the subpoena responses one, two, three and five, she asserted a privilege and she did not produce a privilege log. Again, black-letter law, you waive your privilege when you don't do a log. She said only that it would be burdensome and that witness interviews are subject to work protection. So, again, your Honor, this relates to the question of which lawyers are representing her at what time and when. They claim that all conversations that they have had with her are privileged work product, but they have not produced a log regarding those work product protection materials that they claim.
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+4 5 MS. MENNINGER: That's right, your Honor. That's what I am trying to explain, your Honor.
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+6 7 8 Sitting at counsel table right now in front of you are three lawyers from three separate firms. Each of these three lawyers represent both the witness and represent plaintiff.
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+9 10 THE COURT: Well, lawyers do not represent the witness here.
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+11 MS. MENNINGER: Yes, they do, your Honor.
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+13 14 15 16 17 II. MENNINGER: At her deposition, they were instructing her to answer and instructing her not to answer, participating in all of the conversations with her lawyers out in the hallway when they would confer during the pendency of questions.
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+18 19 20 THE COURT: I mean, I don't think that makes them her lawyer in this case, but I guess, yeah, isn't it pretty clear that -- well, I see your point.
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+21 22 23 24 25 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I think in order to understand whether any of these materials are or are not privileged, one needs to know who her lawyers are, for what purpose, when and see a privilege log so that you can test it. That wasn't produced at all. No effort was made.
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+4 5 Three more weeks have gone by. Still none has been produced. She has four law firms and seven attorneys. I don't understand the burdensomeness argument, your Honor, not one bit, and I think they have waived the privilege on it by not producing a privilege log.
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+6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 With respect to our request for her communications with witnesses in this case, those were requests one, four, five, and 14, and variance iterations. She produced, as I said, 18 pages of e-mails that she got off of her Yahoo inbox, but she testified -- and I quoted in the papers -- that she only searched her inbox. She produced screenshots of the e-mails which reveal other e-mails that were not produced that were responsive. So certain ones, they would take a screenshot of a part of an e-mail. Another one would be hidden in the screenshot and another one would be disclosed. So there are obviously e-mails that are responsive to our requests that were not produced.
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+18 THE COURT: These are e-mails with --
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+19 MS. MENNINGER: Witnesses in this case, your Honor.
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+20 THE COURT: In this case?
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+21 MS. MENNINGER: In this case, yes, your Honor.
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+22 23 24 25 Another issue, your Honor, is that this witness claims that she came forward after communicating with a journalist. She said she e-mailed that journalist several times. She testified to the e-mails with the journalist about the subject
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 There was another witness -- I mentioned it in the paper, I'll be oblique in my references to it now to whom she discussed the subject matter of her testimony in this case, but only produced selected e-mails with that individual because they have been marked confidential. I won't say the name, but it is on page four of my motion, your Honor.
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+10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 My second request, request number two, related to her fee agreements. One fee agreement was produced for four of her lawyers, but not the other fee agreement for the remaining three that have entered their appearance on her case. Again, your Honor, I think the fee agreement is relevant. I'm sorry. There is two other lawyers she did not produce her agreements with. One is the lawyer who appeared with her at her deposition. She produced no fee agreement with that particular attorney. Then secondly, she did not produce her fee agreement with the Boies, Schiller firm who has entered their appearance on her behalf.
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+21 THE COURT: Have they?
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+22 23 MS. MENNINGER: They entered in another matter, your Honor.
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+24 THE COURT: Well, that's what I thought.
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+25 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, requests six and seven
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+Requests nine through 12, your Honor, there were some passports and visa documents. This woman made claims that she came to this country for the purposes of education, and so we asked for her visas where she was seeking the ability to study in this country. None of those were produced. We asked for her passports that reflected her travel to and from the country, because the dates of her travel are relevant to her claims here and certainly to our 404(b) motion, your Honor. She testified that she had two passports. She only produced a copy of one. We would ask that her other passport be produced,
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+her other expired passport be produced, and both of her current passports.
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+THE COURT: Why the current one?
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+MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, there were certain claims made about when she had traveled to this country and whether she had been here. She made a claim -- I don't know how to say it without getting into the subject matter of some of her testimony -- but she made allegations that she had and had not traveled on certain dates up to and including today.
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+II. MENNINGER: That is why it would be relevant.
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+Your Honor, request 15 and 16 of the subpoena, there were allegations made by this witness that she was provided things of value. We asked for records that would reflect whether or not that allegation is true. We were told that no such records would be produced based on privacy concerns. As your Honor has suggested, any privacy concerns can be alleviated based on the protective order already entered in this case. We are happy to abide by it and have been abiding by it.
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+With respect to request 18, her driver's license, your Honor, that provides some background information that can be useful in investigation of an individual's criminal history and the like. We, again, are happy to have that subject to the protective order. Frankly, the response was that it would be
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+4 5 Her education records, your Honor, her claim that she was a victim relates to claims related to education. I don't know how else to see it, your Honor, if you know what I'm saying.
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+6 THE COURT: I do.
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+7 8 9 10 11 12 MS. MENNINGER: One of the issues would be whether or not that truly was -- whether that claim is true. Part of whether or not that claim is true depends upon her qualifications and her other educational background. She testified about some of this, but she didn't produce any of her records related to it.
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+13 14 15 16 One record in particular, her application for that particular institution was not provided. An essay was provided, but not the application, which, by the way, she testified she had on her computer.
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+17 Requests 21 and 22 relate to her contracts.
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+18 THE COURT: Yes.
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+19 MS. MENNINGER: Request 30 is social media.
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+20 Your Honor, those are the subpoena issues.
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+21 THE COURT: But how is it relevant here?
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+22 MS. MENNINGER: Which one?
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+23 THE COURT: The modeling.
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+24 25 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, she testified that while she was here in this country about a decade ago, she was
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+provided at her deposition, but it was not.
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+Request 19 and 20 related to her education records.
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+performing modeling services. At the same time, she says she was just here to further her education. So if she has contracts from that time period and I am happy to limit it to that time period, your Honor then it would not be credible that she was only here for purposes of furthering her education.
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+THE COURT: OK.
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+MS. MENNINGER: If I may turn to the deposition question issues, your Honor. Those also are outlined in our papers. There are some witnesses, based on claims that she has made, we asked for their identifying information, including their names and, if known, addresses, in particular, her partner's phone number. She was directed by her counsel not to answer the phone number. There was no privilege asserted.
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+We asked for her financial information in our opening papers. We explained the relevance of that financial information. There was no response to that relevance argument, your Honor, so I would deem it admitted by the other side. We have already discussed category three, the allegedly privileged communications with Mr. Dershowitz.
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+Finally, your Honor, on page 11 of our reply, there were six categories of questions that we asked during the deposition. She was instructed not to answer. And when her lawyer, who is plaintiff's lawyer, moved for a protective order, they didn't move to cover any of these. Your Honor,
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+4 5 I think saying any more would get us in some water. Thank you, your Honor.
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+6 THE COURT: Yes.
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+7 8 9 10 11 12 MR. POTTINGER: Good afternoon, your Honor. Stan Pottinger here for a nonparty witness. If I slip and use her name, I believe your Honor's redaction order of two weeks ago probably covers this. If I'm wrong about that, I'll be happy to stand corrected. I do believe, I'm guessing, that there may be press in the courtroom today.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 19 Your Honor, a moment of context. What we are talking about here is a nonparty witness, not a party, being attacked, if you will, by a party, the defendant, who has produced less information than this nonparty witness has produced to date. This is true both for photographs, e-mails and relevant documents. I mean, at some point, enough is enough, your Honor.
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+20 21 22 With regard to what has been produced in response to the subpoena, the nonparty witness has produced documents in response to --
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+23 24 THE COURT: Let's get to the ones that are contested, the communication with witnesses.
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+25 MR. POTTINGER: All right. Your Honor, with regard to
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+again, I would argue that those have been deemed admitted. The relevance for each one of them is, again, asserted after the categories on page 11 of our reply.
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+4 THE COURT: Well, look, if she doesn't have something, then all we need is that statement.
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+5 6 7 MR. POTTINGER: Fine. That takes care of many of the burdensome requests that have been made here. They are burdensome and irrelevant.
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+8 9 With regard to the four items in specific that are being raised, passport, driver's license --
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+10 11 THE COURT: How about the communications with witnesses?
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+12 13 MR. POTTINGER: Are you speaking now of the matter involving Dershowitz and --
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+14 15 16 THE COURT: Well, I am looking at your opponent's papers. That was the request one, four, five and 14. They say no forensic search, no search.
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+17 18 MR. POTTINGER: Your Honor, she has testified that she searched her computer. I'm not sure what kind --
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+19 THE COURT: Counsel just said --
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+20 21 22 23 24 MR. POTTINGER: A forensic search meaning more than her searching. She is a nonparty witness who resides in Spain. We are supposed to send an IT expert to Spain? I'm not sure what this involves. I mean, she has gone through her computer, she has gone through --
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+25 Your Honor, may I hand up, if I may, a bench book for
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+request number 12, she has testified that she does not have credit cards or receipts.
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+your consideration for a moment to get some idea what has been produced here? This will give you some idea.
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+THE COURT: Wait just a second. Has she identified her e-mail accounts?
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+MR. POTTINGER: Yes.
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+THE COURT: She has stated that she has searched those?
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+MR. POTTINGER: That's correct.
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+THE COURT: Has counsel searched those?
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+MR. POTTINGER: I have not searched those. I can't speak for other possible counsel, but I believe that there have been efforts to ascertain that her searches have been accurate. Certainly she has told us what she has done. She has testified under oath that she searched every single e-mail and that she has produced every single e-mail there was and is responsive to the subpoena.
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+THE COURT: Does that include this reporter business?
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+MR. POTTINGER: No. There may be some e-mails that existed between her and the reporter before we met her or knew her. Our view is that those reporter e-mails happened a matter of a few months ago, have nothing to do with 10, 11 years ago when the events of this trial are put to the test. They have nothing to do with that.
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+I mean, should she produce every e-mail she's ever had on this subject for the last 10 years? I don't understand the
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+level of that burden in light of the prevailing case law, including your own, your Honor, doesn't seem to require a nonparty witness to go through those burdensome and harassment lengths.
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+THE COURT: But those statements have nothing to do with this case.
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+MR. POTTINGER: Well, not in our view. They have to do with, as I understand them, they have to do with her desire to be recognized as someone who was an important witness. This happened before we even heard of her. I have to remind your Honor, this is someone who should have been produced by the defendant as a Rule 26 witness and was never mentioned.
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+Unless the defendant, Ghislaine Maxwell, is prepared to say that she literally forgot about someone with whom she's been photographed and exchanged information and was trafficked by her, and she actually forgot about her, we don't understand why this is coming up at this late date. This should have been produced many, many months ago, but it was not.
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+Look, we heard about her. She came forward. She heard about the case. She summoned her courage and came forward. Our response in terms of having heard about this in November is not to go ahead and produce her in any respect until we ourselves did the due diligence, which we might add defendants have requested in very severe terms that they be done, including Mr. Dershowitz himself, who is always saying
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+We did ascertain that she was speaking with credibility, and then we produced her very quickly. This happened, by the way, over the holiday season at the end of December. So from November to December, we did our job. We then went to Spain. We did the interviews with her. We concluded that she was credible and we produced her.
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+Now we're up against things like a passport, a passport now, a passport that she is using today as opposed to 10 years ago. We produced her passport from 10 years ago. They have that. They have that in completion. We haven't produced her passport that she uses today. What's the relevance of that?
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+We have not produced her driver's license today. She is fearful of what that may lead to. We have not produced financial statements only because she says she doesn't have them, not because we have them and we are sitting on them.
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+Modeling contracts? She doesn't have them. She herself has said, I was not a top flight model, for a number of reasons that she candidly explains. She doesn't have those. She testified to that in 10 hours, your Honor; 10 hours of sitting in a deposition. She came to this country from Spain and sat for 10 hours, testified truthfully to each of these questions, and yet we're now facing questions we want more
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+deposition, we want more documents, we want things like paycheck records. She testified she doesn't have them.
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+We want her boyfriend's cell phone number. Why do they want her boyfriend's cell phone number? She is very nervous about that. So is her family. They want her parents' current address information.
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+We covered the Dershowitz business. They want her partner's occupation. They want to know what hotel she stayed in four weeks ago, six weeks ago, when she was here in New York to testify. They want to know what hotel. What hotel did you stay in?
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+They want to know her stepmother's telephone number, e-mail address, her physical address. That makes her and her family extremely nervous.
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+They want to know when she provided her photographs to her lawyers. I think it is a privileged matter, but, I mean, these are the subjects that they want to go into and have her, at her expense and the difficulty involved, fly from Spain back to New York to answer those questions. I mean, at what point -- look, I grant you, we are now representing her. If we didn't represent her, where would she be? She is in Spain. If they want to go to Spain with letters interrogatory, fine. We are not trying to do that.
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+At some point, we have got to draw lines here. This is someone who has come forward at great both personal and other expense. I mean, 10 hours, 10 hours of sitting here doing this, at some point, why are these additional points raised other than to harass her?
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+Your Honor, I might add one other thing. One of the things that they have been honest about, we appreciate the honesty of defense counsel in saying that they do want to use this proceeding in order to find out information in another lawsuit. That's a problem for us. We cite your Honor's Mademoiselle case as a reference point on that particular point.
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+THE COURT: Thank you.
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+MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I would like to ask counsel where any representation has been made by myself or my co-counsel that we intend to use any of this in another matter. That is not true.
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+Also not true, this witness did not sit for 10 hours of deposition. It was just repeated three times. She sat for six and a half hours of a deposition. Her lawyers took so many breaks, that it took up 10 hours. I didn't leave the room. I ate at the table. They took three and a half hours and then
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+4 5 6 7 8 Another misrepresentation on the record just now made by Mr. Pottinger, they want to stand here in open court and say, We don't want to use her name. Then they say things that are not true, like this woman was photographed with my client. Not true. Look through the documents you were just handed in a book. Find a photograph of the two of them together. You won't. It doesn't exist.
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+9 10 11 12 He just stated to you on the record in open court that this witness communicated with my client. Look through that book. There is not a single communication between her and my client. Not true. Stated in open court.
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+13 14 15 16 Your Honor, I'm sorry, but I am offended when misrepresentations are made to the court, especially when they're done under the guise of I want some protection, I am just going to say things and you can't respond to them.
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+17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Your Honor, related to this discussion about the reporter, the witness testified that she tried to sell her story about my client to a New York Post reporter. She did that after she read the New York Post reporter's claim that Mr. Epstein often settles lawsuits out of court. She has testified that she read that statement and decided to approach the reporter to try to sell her story. She did that just a couple weeks before she called plaintiff's counsel. That New York Post reporter refused, apparently, to publish her
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+brought a salad back and ate it during the deposition.
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+story, and the fact that she refused to publish her story was 4 5 what then led her to just voluntarily, after 10 years, give a call to plaintiff's counsel over here and see if she could get joined up in this lawsuit. So to say that the e-mails that she testified directly --
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+6 THE COURT: But that is not relevant to this case.
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+7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 MS. MENNINGER: Absolutely, your Honor. The reason why she decided to come forward as a witness in this case is highly relevant. If she came forward because she has a money motive to be a witness in this case, that is motive and that is cross-examination material, your Honor. She testified the e-mails with the reporter existed within two weeks of when she had a signed fee agreement with these lawyers, so it's not like we're talking about e-mails from 10 years ago. We are talking about e-mails from two weeks before she signed a fee agreement with these lawyers.
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+17 18 19 20 21 So you can't say someone trying to sell their story, getting shut down, giving a call to plaintiff's counsel when you've read that Mr. Epstein settles lawsuits is somehow irrelevant to her testimony as a biased financially motivated witness in this case.
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+22 23 24 25 Then I asked her, where are those e-mails with the reporter? Well, they're in my Yahoo on my computer sitting right there. Did you produce them? No. Was there a request that asked for you to produce any e-mails where you're
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+4 5 6 7 There's been no basis presented to your Honor for why she can't produce an e-mail she just testified is sitting in her Yahoo inbox with a reporter she tried to peddle her story to, her story she plans to tell here on the stand here in this case.
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+8 9 MR. POTTINGER: Your Honor. I'm sorry, I beg your pardon.
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+10 THE COURT: Anything else?
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+11 MS. MENNINGER: No, your Honor.
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+12 THE COURT: OK.
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+13 MR. POTTINGER: May I?
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+14 15 THE COURT: Let's produce the statement of the journalist.
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+16 17 Let me ask the relevance of the stepmother and the boyfriend's occupation.
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+18 19 20 21 22 MS. MENNINGER: Yes, your Honor. She has made claims that my client called her parents back in 2007, called them on the phone and had a conversation with them about her and about my client. So she has described these people as percipient witnesses to what she claims was her sex trafficking.
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+23 24 25 She said she had those conversations with my client, she said my client had those conversations with her mother, her father and/or her stepmother back in 2007. So I asked, OK.
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+discussing my client? Yes, I do have that request, I just didn't produce them.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 She testified at first that she doesn't have a relationship with those parents anymore. She doesn't speak to them anymore. So I'm not sure where the fear that is being generated about her stepparents is coming from when she hasn't spoken to them in years. But simply asking where someone lives in South Africa, where these stepparents were, you know, I can't exactly go down the street and try to find them in the phone book. I just asked for their phone number and their address so I can give them a call and see if they had a conversation with my client.
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+14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 With regard to her partner's cell phone, your Honor, what she testified is that she had originally contacted this reporter using her own cell phone, and she claims that after she contacted the reporter in October using her cell phone, that she got followed around Spain by some unknown people. She saw them a few times. She would go out on her normal route, and she saw the same people. She thought they were following her, so she got rid of her cell phone and started using her partner's cell phone to have conversations with all of these attorneys, your Honor. Specifically, Mr. Cassell.
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+24 25 She said she spoke on that cell phone to Ms. McCawley for over 11 hours. She said she spoke to Mr. Pottinger on that
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+What is their phone number? Where do they live? Can I give them a call to ask whether or not they really had a conversation with my client or not?
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+1 cell phone number. She said she spoke to Mr. [REDACTED] on that
+2 cell phone number. Mr. [REDACTED] and Mr. Pottinger flew to Spain
+3 to have a meeting with her and showed her some unknown
+4 documents while they were there with her. So the relevance of
+5 her partner's cell phone number directly relates to whether or
+6 not these attorneys have helped her, in my opinion, concoct a
+7 story to come and testify in this trial about my client.
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+8 MR. POTTINGER: Your Honor, may I have one moment?
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+9 THE COURT: Sure.
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+10 MR. POTTINGER: Since we're talking about statements
+11 made before your Honor that may not be supported by the record,
+12 our client, I should say our client, a non-witness party, has
+13 never said that she was attempting to sell her story to the
+14 New York Post or anyone else. There is nothing in the record
+15 that suggests that she was trying to sell an article. That has
+16 been stated more than once in this courtroom in the last
+17 10 minutes. That is inaccurate.
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+18 With regard to the matter of her general knowledge of
+19 both the defendant and the people who were trafficked on the
+20 island, the photographs that are in front of you, your Honor,
+21 I defy anyone who looks at them to contend that they are not
+22 related to each other and that they are not at the same time
+23 and place and the same people, including the defendant and
+24 including this particular witness.
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+25 Look, we have never gotten a single photograph, not
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 one, from someone who had cameras, who was said to have been photographing people frequently. I think one phrase at one point was "snap happy," someone who actually makes photographs, and not one has been produced. Yet, we have now finally found some photographs because a party who took those photographs turned them over to this witness. This witness produced them. Now, they simply show what they show. I think even a cursory glance at them will show there was not even a very close relationship between and knowledge between the defendants and the witness in this case, but also other parties who were part of this. It is all there. It is all in the bench book.
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+12 13 14 15 THE COURT: Let's do this. The journalist statement, those communications will be produced. The contacts for the stepparents will be given, if she has them and can get them. Nothing about the cell phone.
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+16 17 18 19 I think what we should do is for those productions to be made, and then I'll rule at the moment to deny the request for a renewed deposition. If, after those materials are produced, you want to renew that request, that's fine. Thanks.
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+20 MR. POTTINGER: Thank you, your Honor.
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+21 22 23 24 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I just have to make one point of clarification, since I know your oral order will be binding. It was just not her stepparents, it was her actual parents and then stepfather.
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+25 THE COURT: OK.
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+4 THE COURT: What's next?
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+5 6 7 MS. MENNINGER: I'm sorry, your Honor. There was one other category, the photographs. Some photographs were omitted, and I put the screenshots in there.
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+8 9 THE COURT: The admissibility of those photographs is certainly in question. There's no question about that.
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+10 MS. MENNINGER: Absolutely.
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+11 12 13 THE COURT: That's a whole other issue. I mean, they're nice pictures, but will they get in? I don't know. Where did they come from? I don't know.
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+14 MS. MENNINGER: Chain of custody, right?
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+15 16 17 THE COURT: Are they hers, etc., etc. I think that is something that would come up if they are sought to be introduced.
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+18 19 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, the question is whether she took out photographs from a disk she was given.
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+20 THE COURT: Yes, I assume that she has.
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+21 22 23 24 MS. MENNINGER: But if we asked for all of the photographs related to this experience, and she just willingly chose to extract some photographs and not produce them to us, that is my point, your Honor.
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+25 MR. POTTINGER: Your Honor.
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+MS. MENNINGER: OK.
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+THE COURT: My mistake.
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+MS. MENNINGER: Thank you.
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+THE COURT: I'm assuming that she complied with the request, that is, all photographs relating to the events with which she was familiar.
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+MS. MENNINGER: I would have assumed that as well, your Honor, but the numbers of the photographs just omit 10 or so there.
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+THE COURT: Presumably this is not her disk.
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+MS. MENNINGER: I understand if she didn't get them. I get that, your Honor.
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+MR. POTTINGER: Correct.
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+MS. MENNINGER: If she got them and chose not to produce them, that should be --
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+THE COURT: Whoever produced, whoever did the disk is the one who has those pictures.
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+MR. POTTINGER: Excuse me. May I? I don't want to cut my counsel short, but let me just say that the disk is fully responsive, your Honor, to the subpoena and the request. Any photographs on the disk that were not produced had nothing, have nothing to do, as my co-counsel just said, with the events of this case.
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+THE COURT: Well, I'm assuming that she complied. Now, ultimately that disk is going to have to be produced in order to get the document in, I presume.
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+MS. MENNINGER: Well, if counsel is saying she got a disk, and photographs 1 through 50 were taken on the island and
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+THE COURT: Thank you, all.
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+MR. POTTINGER: Thank you, your Honor.
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+THE COURT: What's next?
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+MS. MCCAWLEY: Your Honor, we have one that we discussed in response of here. The defendants had filed a motion in toto to exclude certain witness testimony, and a variety of our issues, they relate to the designations we are going to be dealing with on April 5, your Honor.
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+Counsel for the defendants, his motion asked if we could just do that on that day when we're already dealing with those witnesses' designations, which I have no objection to. It seems to make sense to not have you do it twice, basically.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: They are somewhat intertwined, your Honor. This would make sense, pointed out in the plaintiff's papers, we should deal with these issues at the same time. And I agree, we would be revisiting the issue again.
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+THE COURT: OK.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: I think we can defer that until the 5th. And then on my list then, your Honor, I think I have
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+4 5 6 7 One relates to the Dershowitz deposition exhibits, which Ms. McCawley already pointed out, I believe, as moot. Mr. Dershowitz is going to testify in person. Unless something happens to Mr. Dershowitz, we don't need to address this issue now. We intend to present his testimony live. That's a moot issue at this point.
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+8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 Then I have two remaining. I think one relates to the deposition excerpts of the plaintiff in this case, which has been briefed. It's simply our position, which I think is well founded, that these are party admissions. Under 801(d)(2), the rules provide that we can use these admissions as substantive testimony at trial. I would expect, assuming that they call her as their witness, that we can cross-examine her with her prior statements under the rules and/or introduce these as admissions. I am not frankly sure what the objection is, because I believe this is clearly covered under rule 801(d)(2). That would be the prior deposition testimony of the plaintiff in another matter.
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+20 21 MS. MCCAWLEY: Your Honor, can I address that issue since he raised it?
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+22 23 24 25 So what this is, is our client was deposed as a nonparty in another action in Florida, and they are seeking to not only she obviously is going to be called here live at trial, which is, of course, the preferred method for obtaining
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+The case law on that, your Honor, is pretty clear. In the United States v. International Business case, which we cited in our papers, which says that you shouldn't mix and match those. That is out of the Southern District of New York. If you have got a live witness with live testimony, you should ask those questions on the stand. Of course, if she says something other than what she said previously, you can impeach her with that.
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+THE COURT: Sure.
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+MS. MCCAWLEY: But to have them playing her video deposition from that case, as well as putting her live on the stand, I think, under that case law, is inappropriate. Again, they can use it for impeachment if they need to.
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+Also, the Judge Learned Hand Napier case said the same thing, live testimony is the preferred method, and while depositions can be used for those other purposes, it is not appropriate to have her both live and then showing deposition testimony at the same time.
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+That is our objection, your Honor, that we believe that we are producing her live, and unless she contradicts something she has said previously in a deposition, that should also be designated and then played for the jury.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 MR. PAGLIUCA: These are 801(d)(2) admissions. The law is abundantly clear on this. These are statements by a party related to the subject matter at issue here. They are not hearsay and they are admissible as admissions. They are not impeachment necessarily, although they could be, but we need to talk about what the rules say about these kinds of things.
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+10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 Rule 801(d)(2) allows for the admission by a party to be used against that party. That can be a handwritten document, that can be a statement to another person, that can be deposition testimony under oath in 32 different matters. If I testify to something in one proceeding, it can be admitted against me, assuming that it is relevant, as an 801(d)(2) admission. That is black-letter law, period, end of story. It is admitted as substantive testimony.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Now, what do I expect to happen during the course of this case? I expect that she will testify and I expect that all of this will be used while she is on the witness stand in some fashion, largely for impeachment purposes, but I don't believe that the court can enter a blanket rule that an 801(d)(2) admission can't be used in a proceeding. I think that is contrary to the law, your Honor.
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+MS. MCCAWLEY: Your Honor, I understand the issue that's been raised, and I would just direct your attention to the International Business case that I cited in my papers because it addresses this issue. I am not saying, again, that it can't be used for impeachment. If she says something other than that in her live testimony, certainly it can be. But what they have proposed is that they designated that testimony to be played for the jury full stop. We are saying, no, you're getting her as a live witness. If she says something otherwise, at that point, you can present it.
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+In fact, in this case, the same issue came up. The court said you have to ask those questions. You should ask those questions of the live witness. You shouldn't be asking them and playing them at the same time.
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+THE COURT: What we will do about this is nothing. We will wait and see.
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+MS. MCCAWLEY: Sure.
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+THE COURT: We'll wait and see whether it comes up and
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+4 5 6 7 8 MS. MCCAWLEY: For purposes of streamlining this, your Honor, so they have designated and we have objected to the designations of this testimony from the other case. We have a number of, as you know, witnesses that will be testifying by designation.
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+9 10 11 12 Can we not have to argue the objections on these designations if we are tabling it for trial? In other words, let them put her on live, if we say we want to show the video, deal with that issue at that time?
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+13 14 15 16 THE COURT: I think if you have any live witness, I would think if you have any live witness and they've got a prior deposition, that can be used in connection with their testimony. No question about that.
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+17 18 19 20 21 MS. MCCAWLEY: I guess the question I'm raising, I'm sorry, is that we are going to have to go through the folks that have been designated, and your Honor on the 5th of April, that is set to look at those objections for the tapes that are going to be shown.
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+22 23 24 With respect to that, I'm saying, can we table her, like take her off the list for this one? Do we have to run through all the objections on that designation as well?
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+25 THE COURT: Well, you're saying that --
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+it's dealt with directly or whether, on the plaintiff's case, and if it is not in some fashion or other and the defense case wants to put it in, we'll struggle with it then.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 MS. MCCAWLEY: Right. Yes, your Honor. They have designated certain witnesses they have videotaped testimony from. One of them is my client, who is going to be appearing live. That is testimony from another case. What I'm saying is that that is supposed to be heard on April 6 along with all the other designations, and your Honor is saying that you are going to take that at trial.
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+11 12 THE COURT: Well, there's nothing other than the so-called admissions that they want to introduce, right?
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+13 14 15 16 MR. PAGLIUCA: That's correct, your Honor, as it relates to this particular issue. I mean, these are all 801(d)(2) statements by the plaintiff under oath in the Dershowitz matter. That's what they are.
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+17 18 THE COURT: Yes. Well, I don't understand what the question --
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+19 MS. MCCAWLEY: I'm sorry. Maybe I'm not being clear.
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 My understanding is we have raised objections to certain of that testimony coming in. So with respect to those objections, for example, if they ask her a hearsay question on the stand and they asked her a hearsay question in the deposition and they designated that, the objections to that information coming in, would that be heard on the 6th?
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+MS. MCCAWLEY: On April 5 --
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+THE COURT: -- what I've heard so far is that there is admissions that they seek to introduce. That's all I've heard.
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+THE COURT: I would assume that we'll deal with that at the time of trial.
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+MS. MCCAWLEY: Thank you, your Honor.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Then I think on my list, your Honor, the only thing I have left -- I can't recall whether it is for today or another day, I don't remember what day we put it over to -- relates to the subpoena, questions 19 and 20. I'm prepared to argue that again today if we are arguing it today, or if it is some other time, that's fine.
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+THE COURT: That's fine.
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+MR. CASSELL: Paul Cassell for Brad , your Honor. I appreciate accommodation of counsel. We delayed this one week so I could be here today to argue it.
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+Your Honor recalls that, about a year ago, the defense attorneys in this case served a subpoena on me, one of the attorneys for Ms. Guiffre, and an attorney subpoena on Brad We have narrowed that down through your rulings. Most of the subpoena against me was squashed.
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+What is left now for argument today, as I understand it, is request number 19 and 20 that have been directed to Mr. an attorney for Ms. Guiffre. I set that background up there, which I know your Honor
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+THE COURT: I take it these are, well, the defense have said that it is form letters, whatever they are. These are communications that made and responses that he
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+4 5 MR. CASSELL: The subpoena is, let's see, any letter or communication from you, Mr. , to any witness -- and then here is one of the catches -- prospective witness in Guiffre v. Maxwell, this case. By definition --
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+6 7 THE COURT: I take it it's your position that all of these are work product?
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+8 9 MR. CASSELL: That's correct, your Honor, and obviously so.
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+10 11 12 13 THE COURT: The only issue really is whether or not you've got to produce a log, and if you produced a log, you would have dates and identification of people which you would say would violate the work product.
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+14 15 16 MR. CASSELL: That's part of our argument. You have captured it exactly right. But there are some additional points, if I could just take a couple of minutes.
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+17 18 19 20 21 Remember the witness that Mr. Pottinger was just referring to? So one of the things this wouldn't cover is Mr. sending a communication to that witness. One of our points is that the defense should have disclosed that witness long ago.
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+22 THE COURT: Well, so what. I mean, fine.
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+23 24 MR. CASSELL: "So what," your Honor, is a matter of fundamental fairness.
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+25 THE COURT: Fundamental fairness in this case?
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+received in connection with the matters of this case.
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+4 MR. CASSELL: All right.
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+5 6 7 THE COURT: I mean, look, I can't sit here and evaluate the production of one party as opposed to another and then say it's unfair. No, I can't do that.
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+8 MR. CASSELL: The point I'm making --
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+9 THE COURT: I am not going to.
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+10 11 MR. CASSELL: The point I am making is, I think when you rule on issues of burden, you should --
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+12 13 14 15 THE COURT: I don't care about burden either, frankly. He's a lawyer. He's in the case. Burden schmerden. We've all got burdens. Talk about burden, 45 motions? Well, so that doesn't impress me.
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+16 17 But what else do you want to tell me besides the work product?
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+18 19 20 21 MR. CASSELL: I think before we get to the work product, the reason we haven't produced a log at this point, there is this phrase witness or potential witness. It is difficult to identify what they mean by potential witness.
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+22 23 24 Mr. , for example, can't go into his e-mails and type in the words "potential witness." There hasn't been any --
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+25 THE COURT: He's a lawyer. He knows what a potential
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+MR. CASSELL: Yes, your Honor.
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+THE COURT: Well, all right, but it's got to be better than that, as far as I'm concerned.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 MR. CASSELL: Potential, you know, with the parties who we are litigating against, your Honor, for example, I believe I am a potential witness. I have been working with Mr. pro bono for eight years in Florida. I am assuming they want, as part of the reason they are doing this, in our view, is to burden Mr. with producing a privilege log of eight years of communications with me as a potential witness.
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+10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 They have also identified Mr. as a potential witness. It is difficult for us to understand what the privileged log would embrace. But if we get to the issue of privilege, you're exactly right, we would then be simply logging communications where we are trying to piece together the criminal organization, which witnesses are we contacting, what time are we doing it, what leads are being exposed. Those are classic work product issues, so there would be no reason.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 24 One of the things, your Honor, burden schmerden, there is no reason for someone to do something if there is not going to be anything that results at the end of the production. At the end of the production here, these materials are all going to be work product protected. We cited a number of cases to that effect. The Gerber case from the District of Maine, the Stokes case from the District of --
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+25 THE COURT: The District of Maine? Where is Maine?
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+witness is.
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+4 5 THE COURT: It's north of here. There was one Southern District case. Now, you're telling me that discovery is more active up in Maine than it is here? I don't think so.
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+6 No, I understand. Fine.
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+7 MR. CASSELL: That was the most on-point case.
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+8 THE COURT: Let's hear from the other side.
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+9 10 11 12 MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, let me be clear, there is no surprise to these lawyers what we're looking for, because they have seen this letter. I would challenge them to say it doesn't exist.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 What Mr. does, and I know this, is that he sends these letters to prospective witnesses that are solicitation letters and they are begging letters. Please help me because this is such a worthy cause kind of letters. These letters do not include any mental thought process or any secret.
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+19 20 21 22 23 24 THE COURT: Well, maybe yes, maybe no. But, look, practically speaking, every lawyer wants to get any scrap of information or support that they can, obviously, and that's all part of the process. It seems to me that however it's put is an effort to find people who know something about the case or might have some effect on the case.
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+25 MR. PAGLIUCA: Here is the twist on that, your Honor.
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+MR. CASSELL: It's a little bit north of the Eastern District of New York.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 MR. PAGLIUCA: -- that are being used to draw people out. It ends up becoming cross-examination material about why someone is saying what they are saying and what their motive is, what their bias is, why are they being involved. That is the first point to this that this is not simply, I heard you might have something to say, please give me a call, a letter that we're talking about here. This is something much more than that, and they know what I'm talking about, and I'm sure they've seen these letters.
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+12 13 14 15 16 So that is why, number one, I don't view this really as a work product issue, because there is nothing private about this. There is nothing that would be something that a lawyer would say, Gee, my opponent is going to get a tactical advantage if this gets revealed. That's the real problem here.
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+17 18 19 20 In my view, your Honor, by doing what they've done, they have waived any work product protection that may exist. But before I get there, this is why the log is important, your Honor. I mean, I'm arguing --
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+21 22 THE COURT: If you get the log, you get the product, because the only point of this is the people in the date.
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+23 24 25 MR. PAGLIUCA: What I would suggest, your Honor, is that these letters get submitted in camera for your review. There aren't going to be thousands of them, there aren't
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+These letters include assertions --
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+THE COURT: Sure, of course.
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+hundreds of them. You can make that decision about whether or not these things should be produced.
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+THE COURT: You mean whether or not they are work 4 product?
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+5 6 MR. PAGLIUCA: Exactly. Give them to you in camera and you make that decision.
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+7 THE COURT: Thanks very much. Thank you very much.
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+8 MR. PAGLIUCA: I'm sorry.
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+9 THE COURT: What a nice suggestion.
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+10 11 12 13 14 MR. PAGLIUCA: The other thing I would say, your Honor, in terms of the scope of this, I am happy to limit this to their Rule 26(a) disclosures in this case and the pretrial, joint pretrial submission that we made. Now we are talking about a universe of, you know, less than 100 people, I think.
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+15 16 THE COURT: You mean the people who have been identified?
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+17 18 19 20 21 22 MR. PAGLIUCA: Yes, in either the 26(a) disclosures or the pretrial order. Because those are the people who are going to testify or not in this trial, and so we want to narrow the scope of this. Let's just put it to that, and then we're taking away a lot of burden off of the shoulders of all the lawyers over here, including Mr.
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+23 24 THE COURT: And placing it on my shoulders. Thank you very much.
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+25 Yes. OK. You all have a habit of doing this. I wish
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, your Honor, I'm happy --
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+THE COURT: I'll take them. What do you think about 4 that?
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+5 6 7 MR. CASSELL: Here is the problem, your Honor. They're saying it is just 100 people. One of them is me. There are going to be thousands --
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+8 THE COURT: I don't think you're going to testify.
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+9 10 11 12 MR. CASSELL: The problem is, they want a privilege log. This is what we're hearing, your Honor, this is no big deal, make them do this. They know I am one of the people here. They know Mr. is going to have to log --
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+13 MR. PAGLIUCA: I'll take him off the list, your Honor.
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+14 MR. CASSELL: The other is the plaintiff, Ms. Guiffre.
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+15 MR. PAGLIUCA: She is off too.
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+16 17 MR. CASSELL: If we go through, there are a number of other people that --
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+18 19 THE COURT: Let's do it. Let's cut down my workload as much as we can anybody else.
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+20 21 22 MR. CASSELL: The Jane Does that were identified in the Crime Victims Rights Act pro bono action that was in Florida.
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+23 24 25 THE COURT: The Jane Does he wants because -- you know why he wants them. I'll take a look and see if it looks like work product to me, and if it does, it will be sustained.
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+MR. CASSELL: So the difficulty there is identifying, some of them were interacting, we interacted with them through attorneys. This is, again, a pro bono action that we have had for eight years.
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+MR. CASSELL: OK. There are approximately 36 witnesses in the Crime Victims' Rights Act case. Many of them represent --
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+THE COURT: In what?
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+MR. CASSELL: The Crime Victims' Rights Act case down in Florida, the one trying to set aside Mr. Epstein's plea agreement.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Maybe counsel didn't hear me, your Honor. I am limiting this to the 26(a) disclosures filed in this case and the joint submission of witnesses. I am not talking about those cases. I am talking about the witnesses that have been identified as prospective witnesses in this case.
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+THE COURT: OK.
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+MR. CASSELL: So the difficulty is then Mr. and a time frame then. After the filing of this case?
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: No, not after the filing of the case.
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+THE COURT: No, not after the filing. I would
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+4 5 We have the 26(a) disclosures. They have been filed. They can look at the 26(a) disclosures and limit it to that. That is all I'm saying.
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+6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 MR. CASSELL: Mr. has been at various law firms that involve various servers over the last eight years. If we can confine it to on or after 2015, when the lawsuit was filed, he has been at a single law firm and he has a single e-mail server. It is recreating the old servers that becomes very difficult because, you know, when you transfer from one firm to another, the mechanics of that are extremely complicated.
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+14 15 16 17 18 MR. PAGLIUCA: I cannot believe that a lawyer who sends that kind of letter to a witness doesn't keep a copy of that letter, your Honor. That is patently unbelievable. Patently unbelievable. They ought to call their malpractice carrier if that is what they did.
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+19 20 21 22 MR. CASSELL: These aren't formal letters. This is any communications. If they restrict it to formal letters, that would simplify it immensely. If we restrict it to formal letters, it would be very helpful as well.
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+23 24 25 MR. PAGLIUCA: This is obfuscation here, your Honor. They know what I'm talking about. They know what the letters are. They don't want you to see it. They know it is not work
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: This is a discrete list, your Honor.
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+4 5 MR. CASSELL: Your Honor, that is a representation being made about what my feelings are. I have been working on that case pro bono and we have nothing to hide about what those communications are.
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+6 7 8 THE COURT: Send the bloody communications to me to that restricted list. You've got yourself off. You got the plaintiff off it.
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+9 Is there anybody else you want to get off?
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+10 11 MR. CASSELL: If I can have an opportunity to consult with my co-counsel?
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+12 THE COURT: No.
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+13 MR. CASSELL: If I could have --
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+14 THE COURT: Take a look now and make a decision.
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+15 16 MR. CASSELL: We'll need a copy. There are over 100 people on the list. That is why I would need a moment.
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+17 THE COURT: So look at them.
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+18 19 MR. CASSELL: All right. Thank you. If I can have a moment to confer with co-counsel?
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+20 THE COURT: Sure.
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+22 23 Maybe we can move to something else while you're doing that. What else have we got?
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+24 25 MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, we are not exactly done with this issue yet, because the question 20 or request for
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+4 THE COURT: Obviously.
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+5 6 7 MS. MCCAWLEY: Your Honor, after this issue, my understanding, if the experts are taken under submission, we are concluded for today.
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+8 THE COURT: Pardon me?
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+9 10 11 12 MS. MCCAWLEY: I'm sorry. After this issue, if the expert issues are all taken under submission, as you said earlier, then we're concluded for the day. There is nothing else pending on our list.
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+13 THE COURT: Then we'll take a couple of minutes.
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+14 MR. PAGLIUCA: That's correct, your Honor.
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+16 17 18 19 20 21 THE COURT: By the way, looking forward to next week, I think we're probably going to have to break that argument up. Plan to have a further discussion, in other words, the next day, or if you want to pick another day, if for some reason the following day is not satisfactory to you all, we'll pick another day.
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+22 23 24 25 I think the probability is, I haven't started looking at those motions yet, but I would think the probability is that we are not going to be able to get them all done at one session.
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+THE COURT: The responses are all part of it.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: OK.
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+4 MS. MCCAWLEY: Yes, your Honor. There was one other procedural matter that both counsel and I, opposing counsel and I wanted to raise. That is with respect it is just a logistic issue.
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+5 THE COURT: It is what?
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+6 MS. MCCAWLEY: A logistic issue.
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+7 8 9 10 With respect to the upcoming hearings, can we submit a letter request to you to be able to bring our electronics like our computer and our phone? Because it is just a lot of paper, as you know, and it would be helpful.
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+11 THE COURT: Sure.
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+12 MS. MCCAWLEY: Thank you, your Honor.
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+13 14 15 16 17 THE COURT: One other thing. Today's hearing sort of highlights it. There are going to be substantial problems with respect to the privacy -- let's call them privacy claims or however you want to put it -- that are in the protective order. We've got to get that resolved.
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+18 19 When do you all want to do that? In other words, how are we going to conduct the trial?
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+20 21 MS. MCCAWLEY: Yes, your Honor. I know we touched on this a little bit last week with respect to the names.
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+22 23 THE COURT: I know, but it sort of drifted off into Never Never Land as far as I think.
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+24 25 MS. MCCAWLEY: Yes, your Honor. I think where we left it was we were supposed to consider whether there were any
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+4 THE COURT: Yes.
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+5 6 MS. MCCAWLEY: -- and that we would need to submit that to you for those individuals.
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+7 8 9 10 11 12 We are considering that. Could we have two weeks to submit if there is one or two individuals who need that protection for purposes of trial? I think you were inclined not to allow it is what you said because, of course, they are going to be testifying before the jury. But if we believe that, some of these individuals did make that request --
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+13 THE COURT: Well, that's one thing.
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+15 16 17 MS. MCCAWLEY: Yes, your Honor. Under the protective order, with respect to the exhibits, my understanding is that everything that we submit at trial is public at that point.
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+18 19 THE COURT: That's fine. That's fine. Well, that rather simplifies it, doesn't it?
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+20 MS. MCCAWLEY: Yes, your Honor.
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+21 22 23 MR. CASSELL: All right, your Honor. I've had an opportunity to go through the list here, and there are approximately 12 names that I would like to...
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+24 THE COURT: OK.
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+25 MR. CASSELL: The first we already had agreement.
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+The next one would be item seven is Doug Band. He was the --
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+THE COURT: I'm sorry?
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+MR. CASSELL: Doug Band. He was chief of staff for President Bill Clinton after Mr. Clinton left the House.
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+Number 18 is Bill Clinton. Again, if you run search term Bill Clinton, given their preference in the case, a variety of communications might come up. There isn't a solicitation for former President Bill Clinton or something.
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+Again, we are trying to avoid what is going to be presumably hundreds of e-mails that might have the term --
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+THE COURT: Well, how do we deal with Clinton?
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+MR. CASSELL: I was just asking.
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+THE COURT: No, I'm asking the defense, Clinton and his chief of staff.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: We can get rid of Clinton. I am not agreeing to Band. If they send a letter to Band, I want the letter that went to Band. When I say letter, it may not have been electronically or it may have gone in the snail mail, but what we are talking about here, your Honor, is something that
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+MR. CASSELL: Number 13, Jean Luc Brunel, care of his 4 5 6 7 8 9 attorney Joe Titone, address listed in Florida. Again, Brunel is one of the close friends of Mr. Epstein. There is no reason to burden Mr. with trying to, you know -- but Brunel may show up because he was touch a key friend of Mr. Epstein, will show up I am predicting in hundreds, if not thousands, of e-mails.
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+10 11 12 13 THE COURT: Can we define this search in some way to eliminate -- we know what the defense is looking for. It's an e-mail. It's a communication with somebody who might be a witness.
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+14 15 case. MR. CASSELL: Soliciting them to participate in the
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+16 THE COURT: Yes. How about that? How about that?
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+19 MR. CASSELL: Brunel is one of them.
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+20 21 22 The next one that we have is Alan Dershowitz. Again, if you run the search term Dershowitz, since we've been in litigation --
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+24 25 MR. CASSELL: He was never solicited to be a witness for us.
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+4 THE COURT: Prince Andrew? We are not skipping him.
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+7 8 THE COURT: The same thing, a letter asking him if he will testify.
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+9 10 11 MR. CASSELL: Mr. Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein. Again, there is no letter asking him -- well, that's just it, is there a letter --
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+## IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+USA / Plaintiff(s)
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+v. Case No.: 15 CV 7433
+
+Ghislaine Maxwell
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+Defendant(s)
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+## NOTICE OF FILING OF OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT
+
+proceeding type date proceeding held Notice is hereby given that an official transcript of a held on has been filed by the court reporter/transcriber in the above-captioned matter.
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+Redaction responsibilities apply to the attorneys of record or pro se parties, even if the person requesting the transcript is a judge or a member of the public or media.
+
+The parties have seven (7) calendar days from the date of filing of this NOTICE to file with the court any NOTICE OF INTENT TO REQUEST REDACTION of this transcript. A copy of said NOTICE must also be served on the court reporter. If no such NOTICE is filed, the transcript may be made remotely electronically available to the public without redaction after ninety (90) calendar days.
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+This process may only be used to redact the following personal data identifiers: Social Security numbers; dates of birth; minors' names; and financial account numbers. See Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 5.2, and Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 49.1. Parties wishing to request redaction of other information may proceed by motion.
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+I (we) certify that the foregoing is a correct transcript from the record of proceedings in the aboveentitled matter.
+
+/s Lisa Picciano Fellis
+
+Court Reporter/Transcriber Date
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+## UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+x
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+VIRGINIA L. GUIFFRE,
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+Case No • 15-cv-7433 (RWS)
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+Plaintiff,
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+PROPOSED INTERVENOR MICHAEL -against- CERNOVICH D/B/A CERNOVICH MEDIA'S OPPOSITION TO NOTICE GHISLAINE MAXWELL, OF PLAINTIFF'S PROPOSED REDACTIONS TO THIS COURTIS Defendant. ORDER DENYING SUMMARY JUDGMENT
+
+Michael Cernovich ("Cernovich") d/b/a Cernovich Media ("Movant" or "Intervenor") moved to intervene in this action to unseal the pending summary judgment motion (Doc. No. 540) and all related proceedings, including the then-anticipated opposition, reply, hearing, and disposition thereof. Doc. No. 550. Argument on that motion was heard on February 16, 2017, along with argument on the summary judgment motion itself. Such argument occurred in open court, with counsel for Movant present throughout the entirety of the arguments, as well as the subsequent conference regarding case logistics. Notably, immediately prior to the beginning of his argument on summary judgment, counsel for Defendant intimated that the courtroom might need to be sealed, but the Court deemed it unnecessary. Plaintiff lodged no contemporaneous objection to the open courtroom or to the presence of counsel for Movant.
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+Now, Plaintiff has filed a Notice of Proposed Redactions to This Court's Order Denying Summary Judgment. Doc. No. 813. Movant does not know what is sought to be redacted or why, as such was itself sealed.' Id. As set forth in his motion, reply, and at argument, summary judgment proceedings involve judicial documents to which a First Amendment right of access attaches, whether or not the summary judgment motion is allowed. The Order Denying Summary Judgment is necessarily one of those judicial documents as it is the disposition itself.
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+On March 30, 2017, Plaintiff also filed a Notice of Intent to Request Redaction of March 23, 2017 Sealed Opinion. Doc. No. 823. To the extent the unidentified Sealed Opinion relates to summary judgment proceedings, Movant similarly opposes redaction as otherwise set forth herein.
+
+It is unclear if the Court has already issued a sealed order denying summary judgment or whether this is wishful thinking on the part of Plaintiff, as the docket is silent as to any adjudication of the summary judgment motion.
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+As this Court has observed, "[t]he First Amendment requires that court proceedings be open to the public, and by extension the news media, absent the most clearly articulated and compelling reasons for closing them in a particular circumstance." Katzman v. Victoria's Secret Catalogue (In re Courtroom TV Network), 923 F. Supp. 580, 588 (S.D.N.Y. 1996) (Sweet, U.S.D.J.). There are no such compelling reasons. Movant cannot guess what Plaintiff seeks to redact, but none of the bits of information revealed during the hearing raised any significant confidentiality concerns that warranted sealing the courtroom or the order. See Newsday LLC v. Cry. of Nassau, 730 F.3d 156, 165-166 (2d Cir. 2013). The First Amendment right of access is paramount. See id. at 166.
+
+To the extent oral argument revealed the issues decided, there is no basis for redaction or another form of seal. The law of republication and how it applies in this case has nothing to do with Plaintiff's or anyone else's alleged abuse, but rather Defendant's and her alleged agents' dealings with the media. Neither do the issues involving the pre-litigation privilege. Or whether the alleged defamatory publication is an assertion of opinion or fact, where truthfulness of the alleged factual statements is not necessary to determine the question or otherwise involve reference to third-party, publicly available publications.
+
+Although Plaintiff's counsel, in her arguments, made reference to allegedly confidential evidence of sexual trafficking, she knowingly did so in the presence of undersigned counsel. Moreover, her arguments were sufficiently vague in detail as to merely referencing flight logs, house staff witnesses, pictures, hospital records, time & travel records, victim notification letters, and a black book. This reference to evidence is otherwise discussed in publicly available articles and even the public docket entries in this case.
+
+Similarly, her arguments over the press release language itself, to whom it was directed, and the meaning of "malice" are issues of law, not of fact. As stated by Defendant's counsel, this is not a sexual abuse case, it is about defamation; he even noted that were abuse conceded, summary judgment in favor of Defendant would be appropriate as a matter of law. Though Movant takes no position on whether Defendant is entitled to judgment as a matter of law, he agrees that the issues at summary judgment, in the transcript and, apparently, in the briefing, do not raise any basis for the wholesale sealing of legal argument, let alone any portion of the Court's Order.
+
+WHEREFORE Intervenor respectfully requests this Honorable Court deny Plaintiff's request to redact the Court's Order Denying Summary Judgment.
+
+Dated: April 5, 2017. Respectfully submitted,
+
+/s/ Jay M. Wolman
+
+Jay M. Wolman (JW0600) RANDAZZA LEGAL GROUP, PLLC 100 Pearl Street, 14'h Floor Hartford, CT 06103 Tele: 702-420-2001 Fax: 305-437-7662 Email: ecf@randazza.com
+
+Attorneys for Proposed Intervenor, Michael Cernovich d/b/a Cernovich Media
+
+CASE NO. 15-cv-7433 (RWS)
+
+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on this 5th day of April 2017, I electronically filed the foregoing document with the Clerk of the Court using CM/ECF. I also certify that a true and correct copy of the foregoing document is being served via transmission of Notices of Electronic Filing generated by CM/ECF.
+
+Respectfully submitted,
+
+/s/ Jay M. Wolman
+
+Jay M. Wolman
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+Plaintiff,
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+15 Civ. 7433 (RWS)
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+ORDER
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+GHISLAINE MAXWELL,
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+Defendant.
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+Sweet, D.J.
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+
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+A hearing on ECF No. 806 shall be held on Thursday, April 13, 2017 at noon in Courtroom 18C, United States Courthouse, 500 Pearl Street. Defendant's reply papers shall be due April 11, 2017.
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+It is so ordered.
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+New YorNY
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+April , 2017 BE T W. SWEET U.S.D.J.
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+New York, NY
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+## United States District Court Southern District of New York
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+Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+v.
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+Ghislaine Maxwell.
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+Defendant.
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+## PLAINTIFF'S BRIEFING ON AN ADVERSE INFERENCE INSTRUCTION REGARDING DEFENDANT'S FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THIS COURT'S ORDERS TO PRODUCE HER ELECTRONIC DOCUMENTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
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+Sigrid McCawley BOIES SCHILLER FLEXNER LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd.. Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+## TABLE OF CONTENTS AND PAGES 1-18 FILE UNDER SEAL
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+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on the 7th day of April, 2017, I electronically filed the foregoing document with the Clerk of Court by using the CM/ECF system. I also certify that the foregoing document is being served this day on the individuals identified below via transmission of Notices of Electronic Filing generated by CM/ECF.
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+Laura A. Menninger, Esq.
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+Jeffrey Paglitalau
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+HADDON, P.C.
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+150 East 10 Avenue
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+Denver, Colorado 80203
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+Tel: (303) 831-7364
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+Fax: (303) 832-2628
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+Email: Imenningerahmflaw.com
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+ipagliuca@lunflaw.com
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+/s/ Meredith
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+Meredith
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+## United States District Court Southern District of New York
+
+Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+v.
+
+Ghislaine Maxwell,
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+Defendant.
+
+## DECLARATION OF MEREDITH IN SUPPORT OF PLAINTIFF'S BRIEFING REGARDING DEFENANT'S FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THIS COURT'S ORDER TO PRODUCE HER ELECTRONIC DOCUMENTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
+
+I, Meredith =, declare that the below is true and correct to the best of my knowledge as follows:
+
+- I. I am a Counsel with the law firm of Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP and duly licensed to practice in Florida and before this Court pursuant to this Court's Order granting my Application to Appear Pro Hac Vice.
+ - 2. I respectfully submit this Declaration in Support of Plaintiff's Briefing Regarding Defendant's Failure to Comply with This Court's Order to Produce Her Electronic Documents and Communications
+ - 3. Attached hereto as Sealed Exhibit 1 is a true and correct copy of
+ - 4. Attached hereto as Sealed Exhibit 2 are true and correct copies of
+ - •
+ - 5. Attached hereto as Sealed Exhibit 3 is a true and correct copy of
+
+[REDACTED].
+
+6. Attached hereto as Sealed Exhibit 4 is a true and correct copy of [REDACTED]
+
+[REDACTED]
+
+7. Attached hereto as Sealed Exhibit 5 is a true and correct copy of [REDACTED]
+
+[REDACTED].
+
+8. Attached hereto as Sealed Composite Exhibit 6 are true and correct copies of
+
+[REDACTED].
+
+I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
+
+Dated: April 7, 2017
+
+Respectfully Submitted,
+BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
+
+By: /s/ Meredith [REDACTED]
+Sigrid McCawley (Pro Hac Vice)
+Meredith [REDACTED] (Pro Hac Vice)
+Boies Schiller & Flexner LLP
+401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200
+Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301
+(954) 356-0011
+
+David Boies
+Boies Schiller & Flexner LLP
+333 Main Street
+Armonk, NY 10504
+
+[REDACTED] J. [REDACTED] (Pro Hac Vice)
+[REDACTED] JAFFE, WEISSING,
+[REDACTED], FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L.
+425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2
+Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301
+(954) 524-2820
+
+Paul G. Cassell (Pro Hac Vice)
+S.J. Quinney College of Law
+University of Utah
+383 University St.
+Salt Lake City, UT 84112
+
+(801) 585-5202'
+
+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
+
+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on the 7th day of April 2017, I electronically filed the foregoing document with the Clerk of Court by using the CM/ECF system. I also certify that the foregoing document is being served to all parties of record via transmission of the Electronic Court Filing System generated by CM/ECF.
+
+Laura A. Menninger, Esq. Jeffrey Paglia, HADDON, & 150 East 10 Avenue Denver, Colorado 80203 Tel: (303) 831-7364 Fax: (303) 832-2628 Email: Imenninger@hmflaw.com jpagliuca@Junflaw.com , P.C.
+
+Meredith Esq.
+
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+## United States District Court Southern District of New York
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+Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+v.
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+Ghislaine Maxwell,
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+Defendant.
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+## NOTICE OF PLAINTIFF'S PROPOSED REDACTIONS TO THIS COURT'S MARCH 16, 2017 HEARING TRANSCRIPT
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+Plaintiff, hereby files this Notice of Intent to Request Redaction of the March 16, 2017 transcript of proceedings pursuant to this Court's Protective Order. See Plaintiff's proposed redactions attached hereto as Sealed Exhibit I.
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+Dated: April 10, 2017
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+Respectfully Submitted,
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+By: /s Sigrid McCawlev Boies Schiller Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+By: /s Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCa.1 (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) Meredith (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) Boles Schiller Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+David Boles Boles Schiller & Flexner LLP 333 Main Street Armonk, NY 10504
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+J. (Admitted Pm Hac Vice)
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+M AFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 (954) 524-2820
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+Paul G. Cassell (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) S.J. Quinney College of Law University of Utah 383 University St. Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-5202i
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+This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
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+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on the 10th day of April, 2017,1 served the attached document via CM/ECF and e-mail to the following counsel of record.
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+Laura A. Menninger, Esq.
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+Jeffrey Paglio,
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+HADDON, & , P.C.
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+150 East 10 Avenue
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+Denver, Colorado 80203
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+Tel: (303) 831-7364
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+Fax: (303) 832-2628
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+Email: Imenninger@hmflaw.com
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+jpagliuca@hmflaw.com
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+igee@hmflaw.com
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+By: /s Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCawley (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) Boles Schiller Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+## UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+X
+
+Plaintiff, v.
+
+GHISLAINE MAXWELL,
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+Defendant.
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+X
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+15-cv-07433-RWS
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+## DEFENDANT'S REPLY IN SUPPORT OF OBJECTION TO PRODUCTION OF SUBMITTED FOR IN CAMERA REVIEW
+
+Laura A. Menninger Jeffrey S. Pagliuca Ty Gee HADDON, II= AND , P.C. 150 East 10 Avenue Denver, CO 80203 303.831.7364
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+Defendant Ghislaine Maxwell, by and through her attorneys, hereby files her Reply in Support of the Objection to the Production of Documents1 Submitted in camera and states as follows:
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+**INTRODUCTION**
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+**CONCLUSION**
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+[REDACTED]
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+[REDACTED]
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+[REDACTED]
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+Dated: April 11, 2017
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+Respectfully submitted,
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+*/s/ Jeffrey S. Pagliuca*
+
+---
+
+Laura A. Menninger (LM-1374)
+
+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca (*pro hac vice*)
+
+Ty Gee (*pro hac vice*)
+
+HADDON, [REDACTED] AND [REDACTED], P.C.
+
+150 East 10th Avenue
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+Denver, CO 80203
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+Phone: 303.831.7364
+
+Fax: 303.832.2628
+
+lmenninger@hmflaw.com
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+*Attorneys for Ghislaine Maxwell*
+
+### CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on April 11, 2017, I electronically served this Defendant's Reply in Support of Objection to Production of Submitted for in Camera Review via ECF on the following:
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+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bstlIp.com
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+JAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Ave., Ste. 2 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 brad@pathtojustice.com
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+Paul G. Cassell 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112 cassellp@law.utah.cdu
+
+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
+
+Id Nicole
+
+Nicole
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+UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
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+-----X
+[REDACTED]
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+GHISLAINE MAXWELL,
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+15-cv-07433-RWS
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+**Declaration Of Jeffrey S. Pagliuca In Support Of Defendant’s Reply
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+[REDACTED] Submitted for in Camera Review**
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+I, Jeffrey S. Pagliuca, declare as follows:
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+2. Attached as Exhibit A (filed under seal) are true and correct copies of [REDACTED]
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+[REDACTED]
+[REDACTED]
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+I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
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+Executed on April 11, 2017
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+By: *Is/ Jeffrey S. Pagliuca*
+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca
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+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on April 11, 2017, I electronically served this Declaration Of Jeffrey S. Pagliuca In Support Of Defendant's Reply in Support of Objection to Production of Submitted for in Camera Review via ECF on the following:
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+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith BOIES, \$CHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
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+Is/ Nicole
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+Nicole
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+## United States District Court Southern District of New York
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+Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+v.
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+Ghislaine Maxwell,
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+Defendant.
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+## NOTICE OF PLAINTIFF'S PROPOSED REDACTIONS TO THIS COURT'S APRIL 4, 2017 ORDER DENYING DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO COMPEL AND MOTION FOR SANCTIONS
+
+Plaintiff, hereby files this proposed redactions of the April 4, 2017 Order Denying Defendant's Motion to Compel and Motion for Sanctions. See Plaintiff's proposed redactions attached hereto as Sealed Exhibit I.
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+Dated: April 11, 2017
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+Respectfully Submitted,
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+By: /s Sigrid McCawley Boies Schiller Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+By: /s Sigrid McCawlev Sigrid McCaS (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) Meredith (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) Boles Schiller Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+David Boies Boies Schiller & Flexner LLP 333 Main Street Armonk, NY 10504
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+J. (Admitted Pro Hac Vice)
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+M IAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 (954) 524-2820
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+Paul G. Cassell (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) Quinney College of Law University of Utah 383 University St. Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-5202i
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+This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
+
+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on the 1 lth day of April, 2017,1 served the attached document via CM/ECF and e-mail to the following counsel of record.
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+Laura A. Menninger, Esq.
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+Jeffrey Paglia,
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+HADDON, &a, P.C.
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+150 East 10 Avenue
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+Denver, Colorado 80203
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+Tel: (303) 831-7364
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+Fax: (303) 832-2628
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+Email: Imenninger@hmflaw.com
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+jpagliuca@hmflaw.com
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+igee@hmflaw.com
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+By: /s Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCawley (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) Boles Schiller Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+X
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+Plaintiff, v.
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+GHISLAINE MAXWELL,
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+Defendant.
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+X
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+15-cv-07433-RWS
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+## DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION OF ORDER REGARDING DEFENDANT' S MOTION REQUESTING RULING ON HER OUTSTANDING MOTIONS
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+Defendant Ghislaine Maxwell ("Ms. Maxwell") files this Motion for Reconsideration and states as follows:
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+Attached (under seal) are the two opinions dated August 30, 2016 received by the counsel for the defendant by email in this case. Neither opinion addresses Defendant's Motion for Rule 37(b) & (c) Sanctions for Failure to Comply with Court Order and Failure to Comply with Rule 26(a), Doc. 231, filed on June 20, 2016.
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+Accordingly, we move for reconsideration of the Order and Opinion (Doc. 837) filed April 7, 2017, denying as moot Doc. 804 by which Ms. Maxwell requested a ruling on her Motion for Sanctions, Doc. 231.
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+Dated: April 11, 2017
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+Respectfully submitted,
+
+Is/ Laura A. Menninger
+
+Laura A. Menninger (LM-1374)
+
+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca (pro hac vice)
+
+Ty Gee (pro hac vice)
+
+HADDON, REMANDS P.C.
+
+150 East 10 Avenue
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+Denver, CO 80203
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+Phone: 303.831.7364
+
+Fax: 303.832.2628
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+lmenninger@hmflaw.com
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+Attorneys for Ghislaine Maxwell
+
+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on April 11, 2017, 1 electronically served this Defendant's Motion for Reconsideration of Order Regarding Defendant's Motion Requesting Ruling on Her Outstanding Motions via ECF on the following:
+
+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+Paul G. Cassell 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84 1 12 cassellp@law.utah.cdu
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+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
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+Id Nicole
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+Plaintiff, v.
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+GHISLAINE MAXWELL.
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+Defendant.
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+X
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+15-cv-07433-RWS
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+Motion to Appoint Special to Preside Over Third Deposition of Defendant
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+Laura A. Menninger Jeffrey S. Pagliuca Ty Gee HADDON. AND ISO East 10' Avenue Denver, CO 80203 303.831.7364 P.C.
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+Defendant Ghislaine Maxwell ("Ms. Maxwell"), pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 53, files this Motion to Appoint a Special [REDACTED] to Preside over the Third Deposition of Defendant Ghislaine Maxwell, and states as follows:
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+**STATEMENT OF CONFERRAL**
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+**CONCLUSION**
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+■ [REDACTED]
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+■ [REDACTED]
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+■ [REDACTED]
+
+Dated: April 11, 2017
+
+Respectfully submitted,
+
+Is/ Laura A. Menninger
+
+Laura A. Menninger (LM-1374)
+
+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca (pro hac vice)
+
+Ty Gee (pro hac vice)
+
+HADDON, li= ANDS P.C.
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+150 East 10 Avenue
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+Denver, CO 80203
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+Phone: 303.831.7364
+
+Fax: 303.832.2628
+
+lmenninger@hmflaw.com
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+Attorneys for Ghislaine Maxwell
+
+#### CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on April 11, 2017, I electronically served this Motion to Appoint Special Preside Over Third Deposition of Defendant via ECF on the following: to
+
+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith BOIES, \$CHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+
+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
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+## UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+X Plaintiff, v. GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendant. X
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+## Declaration of Laura A. Menninger in Support of Defendant's Motion to Appoint Special to Preside Over Third Deposition of Defendant
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+I, Laura A. Menninger, declare as follows:
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+Executed on April 11, 2017.
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+s/ Laura A. Menninger Laura A. Menninger
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+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on April 11, 2017, I electronically served this Declaration of Laura A. Menninger in Support of Defendant's Motion to Appoint Special to Preside Over Third Deposition of Defendant via ECF on the following:
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+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith BOLES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+J. JAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Ave., Ste. 2 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 brad@pathtojustice.com
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+Paul G. Cassell 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112 cassellp@law.utah.edu
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+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
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+Is/ Nicole Nicole
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+New York, N.Y. March 30, 2017 12:08 p.m.
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+HON. ROBERT W. SWEET,
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+## APPEARANCES
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+BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
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+Attorneys for Plaintiff
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+BY: SIGRID S. McCAWLEY, ESQ. MEREDITH L. , ESQ.
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+S.J. QUINNEY COLLEGE OF LAW AT THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH
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+For Plaintiff
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+BY: PAUL G. CASSELL, ESQ.
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+BY: J. , ESQ.
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+JAFFE, WEISSING, , FISTOS, LEHRMAN, P.L.
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+Attorneys for Plaintiff
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+HADDON, AND , P.C.
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+Attorneys for Defendant
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+BY: JEFFREY S. PAGLIUCA, ESQ.
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+LAURA A. MENNINGER, ESQ.
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+(Case called)
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+THE COURT: We have a problem, folks. By my count - and of course one can count differently depending on how you treat these matters, but one count I have is that we have 45 motions before me. That may not be entirely accurate, but it's not too far off.
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+Here's my suggestion. Well, first of all, I think, though you have shown absolutely no mercy to me, I am prepared to show a little mercy to you. Translated, if you want to, we can schedule this so you can have lunch. On the other hand, if you don't want lunch, that's okay. I can endure.
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+By the way, the Epstein motion will go over to tomorrow because we were told, if I understand it correctly, that they didn't know it was on for today. How that ignorance exists, I don't know, but anyhow, we'll put that over to tomorrow.
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+So what I would suggest is that today -- and today ends, for our joint effort, at 3:30 -- the defendant's motion with respect to the supplemental reports of Jansen and Kliman; the 302 motion; and there are three that seem to me to go together -- the references to the Florida action, the CVRA action; the Epstein plea agreement and nonprosecution, and registration; and the victim notification letter. Seems to me all those present same of the same basic problems, and I'll
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 So that's my thought. We could go say until 1:30 and then break for lunch, resume at 2:30 and go another hour, or go straight through. Why don't you all confer, see what you want to do. And the remainder, we can do tomorrow. We'll start at 10:00. Do you all want to confer for a moment and see what you want to do?
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+10 11 12 13 14 MS. McCAWLEY: Well, your Honor, on our part, we want to spend as much time getting through this today as we can, so we would prefer not to take a lunch break because there are so many things we need to get through, we'd want to try to utilize as much of your time as we can.
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+15 16 THE COURT: Okay. No lunch. Go. Defendant's motion with respect to the supplemental reports.
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+17 18 19 20 MS. McCAWLEY: Your Honor, could I just have one point of clarification. I'm sorry. With respect to plaintiff's omnibus motion, we were planning to argue that today. That has several subparts.
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+21 22 THE COURT: Well, why don't we leave that for tomorrow.
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+23 24 25 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I would like to leave it for tomorrow. There was a 60-page reply that was served on Monday night and so if we could just have until tomorrow on
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+hear those together. And then the defendant's motion with respect to sexual history and the motion on Maxwell's involvement with Epstein's activities.
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+4 5 THE COURT: Does that surprise you? Doesn't surprise me.
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+6 MS. MENNINGER: No. It doesn't.
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+7 THE COURT: Well, okay.
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+8 9 MS. MENNINGER: But if we could do it tomorrow, I'd appreciate it.
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+10 THE COURT: Well, I was planning to, wasn't I? Yes.
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+11 MS. MENNINGER: I agree with your Honor.
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+12 THE COURT: Yes. Okay.
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+13 MR. PAGLIUCA: Good afternoon again, your Honor.
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+14 THE COURT: Good afternoon.
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+16 17 18 19 MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, with regard to the motion on the late-disclosed supplemental report of Jansen and the video exhibit of Dr. Kliman, first, I'd like to start with Kliman, if I could.
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 Dr. Kliman is a summary witness who has no firsthand knowledge about the facts associated with this case. He's been proffered as an expert in psychiatry. And the majority of his opinions don't really relate to psychiatry; they relate to credibility issues of the plaintiff in this case. Replete through the opinion, original opinion that he offered, are a
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+that, I would appreciate it.
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+There was a 60-page reply filed on that motion on Monday night.
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+4 i've read the papers on the Daubert aspect and I have some familiarity with the report, but let's get to the supplemental.
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+5 6 7 8 MR. PAGLIUCA: I will, your Honor. And I start there because that is a primary problem with the -- it's not a supplemental report. I mean, what happened was, in terms of the backdrop here --
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+9 10 11 THE COURT: Let me see if I can shorthand this. What you're complaining about is not the video of summary. but the
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+12 13 MR. PAGLIUCA: I'm complaining about both, your Honor. And let me explain why.
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+14 15 16 17 18 THE COURT: Okay. Forget about the summary for a moment. You didn't get the video at the time the report was filed. You got the report, I think it was September, whenever it was. You didn't get the video, but you did get it before the deposition.
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+19 20 21 22 23 24 MR. PAGLIUCA: Here's the distinction I need the Court to understand. What we got after the report was filed was approximately four hours of video conducted over a two-day time frame. So there's a large portion of video conducted over a two-day time frame. When I arrived at Dr. Kliman's office on November 17th, I believe it was --
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+25 THE COURT: Well, you were in San Francisco, so what's
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Yes. We had requested, and in fact issued a subpoena, for all of Dr. Kliman's materials, and, you know, I don't mind things coming in a little bit late in these regards because I can prepare for the deposition. But the problem, your Honor, is, the morning of the deposition, I get this --
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 And finally, your Honor, on this Kliman issue, it seems to me that all of this is -- well, let me back up. Here are the reasons why it's prejudicial, and I don't think we can just say, this is a videotape, so what? I never had the opportunity, because the deadlines expired for experts, to give the edited version to any other expert to analyze the footage, to compare it to the original footage, to see how it was filmed; never had the opportunity to give it to any psychological expert to examine those particular clips and how they were put together.
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+14 15 THE COURT: Of course, we could have extended the deadlines if you had wanted.
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+16 17 18 MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, again, I'm not the person who didn't comply with the rule. It's not on me to do that, in my view.
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+19 THE COURT: Okay.
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+20 MR. PAGLIUCA: So that's Kliman, your Honor.
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+21 THE COURT: Okay.
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+22 23 24 25 MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, and by the way, it's also cumulative testimony. I don't believe that it would be appropriate for the plaintiffs to testify, then have Kliman testify, and then during Kliman's testimony there's this staged
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+THE COURT: That's a whole different issue. Right?
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Yes. I agree.
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+Jansen, your Honor, is a true new report. Dr. Jansen issued his report. We then issue a rebuttal report to Dr. Jansen in which our expert points out that Dr. Jansen didn't record any of the data that he purportedly relies on. So right after we issue our rebuttal report, we get new data from Dr. Jansen, and it's curious because the report by Jansen is written on September 9th but the data that we then get, in response to our subpoena, is November 2nd. That's fine. I go take his deposition, and during his deposition I'm asking him questions about, well, you know, how do you come up with this number? And he can't give me an answer, because he doesn't have any of the material that he purportedly relied on to issue the opinion. So I'm feeling pretty good about all this when we leave because I have a guy who issues a report that doesn't have any underlying data to support it and can't explain to me what these different numbers are and where they came from. You know, two weeks later, I get in the mail, or
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 email, a supplemental report that is materially different than the report that I deposed this person on. And, you know, materially how? I mean, they want to say, II, no, he's just doing ongoing work here. Well, the alleged number of articles has more than doubled in his review. The alleged unique users, which is his phrase for somebody who went on a website somewhere, is more than 10 million more, and the other number, which is the number of publications, has also more than doubled. So, you know, that is patently unfair, your Honor, to have somebody go redo their report after they've been cross-examined and come up with different opinions that I've never been able to depose anyone on. That's the problem. They should live with their opinion if it is admissible at all.
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+16 17 18 19 20 I'll address the Dr. Kliman report first. And what defendant's briefing and what oral argument didn't make clear is that in advance of the deposition, Dr. Kliman provided defense counsel the entire videotaped interview with III . They had all the footage already.
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+21 22 THE COURT: Wait. In fairness, in advance of the deposition by ten minutes.
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+23 24 25 : Sorry, your Honor. No. I think that's a misunderstanding. What they received "ten minutes before" were clips of the video. The entire video was produced well in
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+advance of the deposition. What they're complaining about is that from that entire video certain segments were produced. So they already had that material already. They just didn't have it in a clip form.
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+THE COURT: So you say that the production of the entire video was timely.
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+: Yes, your Honor. And I would also say that the supplement was timely too. What was on that flash drive, 98 percent of that had already been produced before because they had the full-length video. It did include clips that Dr. Kliman made with subtitles. And then also it had some new billing statements that were more updated that were produced in accordance to Rule 26's requirements to supplement reports. So they had the long-form video ahead of the deposition. The clips of the videos that they already had is what they're complaining about here, and I don't think the briefing makes that clear.
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+With regard to Dr. Jansen, I think there are also some misunderstandings there. The bottom line is that it is very reasonable to get the results that he did in his supplement. And it's based on how search engines index web content. So in the briefing, it says, II, the supplemental report has articles from before the first report and so it's illegitimate. That's not a correct argument. And I think it's easily confused because of how search engines work. Basically documents that
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+are the supplemental report, articles prior to September 9th, 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 you know, if one does two searches on different days on a search engine, it's very reasonable to retrieve results during the second search that were published prior to the first search. It all depends on when the search engine added that content to its search index. So that's how search engines work. It's not going to have every single article on that day. It has to be added to the index. So the methodology employed was exactly the same as was employed in the first report. No expert has stated otherwise. And its methodology is rock solid.
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Counsel for defendant complained about no underlining data, but that's a little -- it's a misstatement. The expert provided what traffic services were used, provided the website domains, the URLs, provided the traffic numbers as well. So the data is there. So employing the exact same methodology to supplement the report, it's no surprise that additional articles are going to come up. For example, search engines will take a major website like the New York Times and crawl that multiple times a day to get new articles. Articles on more obscure websites won't be crawled by the search engine at the same rate. So doing a search on two different days, you are necessarily going to have two different results. And it will even pick up results that predate the first search, because it hasn't been crawled yet by the search engine that
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+4 5 I know this is a little bit hypertechnical, but I think that understanding is important to understand why a supplemental report varies from the original report. If you did one today, you'd probably have even more articles.
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+6 THE COURT: Anything else?
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+7 : That's all I have.
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+8 THE COURT: Okay. Let me ask you, defense
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+9 MR. PAGLIUCA: Yes, your Honor.
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+10 11 12 THE COURT: -- I gather from that, if I understand it, that it's the edited version on the flash drive, or whatever vou call it, that's the one that you want excluded.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. PAGLIUCA: Correct. Your Honor, as I understand it, that is a proposed trial exhibit, although we haven't had an exhibit list yet. That is a specific rule that relates to trial exhibits. And to be clear, your Honor, there were four separate video clips that were late provided that I didn't complain about because I had them in advance of the deposition. Those four video clips total roughly four hours, give or take. From that four hours there was a professionally made exhibit that -- there are different camera angles displayed in this, the plaintiff has makeup on, the plaintiff is dressed in a suit. It is clearly edited to be an advocacy piece, your Honor. And so that is what was given to me the morning of and I didn't have an opportunity to look at it or cross-examine on
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+THE COURT: Okay. Do you want to add anything on the --
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+4 MR. PAGLIUCA: On Jansen?
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+5 THE COURT: Jansen?
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+6 7 8 9 10 MR. PAGLIUCA: Yes. I'm not mistaken and there is no misunderstanding here, your Honor. Jansen redid his report to try to take care of the deficiencies in the original report, the deficiencies pointed out in his deposition, and he ended up with substantially different results. That's point number one.
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 17 Point number two is, it is not accurate to say that the additional 170 articles or multiples of sites postdated his deposition because in the reply -- and it's a bit of a confusing chart, I might add, your Honor. We have the dates of these publications which all show that they predate his deposition and his report, or the majority of them. So there's no excuse for it.
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+18 THE COURT: Thank you.
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+19 Next. 302.
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+20 MS. MENNINGER: Good afternoon, your Honor.
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+21 22 23 24 25 As you know, the 302 statement we're talking about here purports to be from an interview with the FBI in 2011 about events supposedly occurring in 1997 through 2002, so some 14 years later, and the report itself was purportedly written two years after the interview, in 2013. It is so heavily
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+4 MS. MENNINGER: It showed up in my discovery.
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+5 THE COURT: You mean the plaintiff had it?
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+6 7 8 MS. MENNINGER: Plaintiff had it, plaintiff provided it to us in discovery, plaintiff has not explained where it came from.
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+9 THE COURT: End of story.
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+10 11 MS. MENNINGER: Right. The author is redacted, your Honor. I don't know who authored the report.
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+12 13 THE COURT: Right. All we know about it is that she had a copy of it.
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+14 15 MS. MENNINGER: Apparently someone did and put it into the discovery. I don't know who had it or where they got it.
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+16 THE COURT: Well, yes. Okay. All right.
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+17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. MENNINGER: So, you know, alluding to that point, your Honor, there are so many redactions, it's unclear who wrote the report, but more importantly, the content of the report is so heavily redacted, we don't know what she's saying. I mean, there are pages where there are just sentence fragments. And so the problem, your Honor, which seems clear to me, is that, to the extent there are statements in there, they are hearsay statements. They are out of court. And so we raised that in our motion in limine, your Honor.
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+THE COURT: What's the provenance of this report that we're talking about?
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+In response, the plaintiffs submitted that they're not trying to offer this report for the truth. They're offering it 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 for the fact that their client, they say, reported this information to law enforcement, in 2011. Well, you don't need the report for her to get on the stand and testify that she met with FBI agents in 2011. She can just say that without the report itself coming in. And even if it were to come in, it's unclear why anything in the report is relevant to a disputed fact in our case. We don't know what she reported. We don't see the names of people in there. We can't tell what she said. And because of the redactions, we don't know who she said it to, etc. So we can't talk to that unknown person that's redacted. She apparently must know who she talked to, and she didn't disclose that person, for example, in her Rule 26 disclosures, your Honor, so if she talked to someone about the facts of this case, didn't put them in her Rule 26 disclosures, then, your Honor, she's denied us the ability to get in touch with that person.
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+19 20 21 22 23 24 25 As a backup and completely different argument to "we're not offering it for the truth of the matter," plaintiff's second argument is that they are offering it for the truth of the matter as a public record under 803(8). Your Honor, we already discussed for you why the document lacks trustworthiness. The source of the information is her. It's self-serving, to the extent it is a statement of fact, because
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+4 5 6 I can't tell what it says. It would be self-serving. So your Honor, it essentially puts plaintiff in the position of getting on the stand and trying to say what she said to the FBI agent and denying us the ability, because of the redactions, to cross-examine her about what she actually said because the redactions cover up the content for the most part.
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+7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Your Honor, prior consistent statements, I think our law is clear in the brief that it has to be a specific statement of fact and it has to be predating the motive to lie. This statement came after she had already sold her story to the reporter -- about a month later, I believe. So your Honor, her motive to lie had already arisen at the time it says that this interview was given, and that's all we really know about it. Because the interview with the reporter is actually contained in the FBI statement.
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+16 17 MS. McCAWLEY: Good morning, your Honor. It's Sigrid McCawley on behalf of
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+18 19 20 21 22 Your Honor, this is not some obscure document that the Court would not recognize. I'd like to pass up some copies for your Honor. This is an FBI 302 report. It contains the seal of the FBI at the top of it. It contains the date. Can I approach, please.
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+23 24 25 It's a document that's commonly used when FBI agents are conducting their investigations; in fact, it's required. It indicates that the signer of the document, the recorder of
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 And I'd like to clarify. A statement was made that we nave not indicated who was involved in this FBI 302. We produced email traffic about the meeting and about the FBI agents involved in this meeting in discovery, probably nine months ago, your Honor. This FBI 302 has all of the trustworthiness that goes along with one of these documents. Again, it has the seal and everything that is required. Your Honor, it did come to us as a result of a FOIA request that we sent. It is, your Honor, produced in accordance with how the FBI 302s are typically kept. This is a public record under 803(8)(a), your Honor.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 To be clear, it's actually a case that the defendants cited in their brief, Upstate Shredding, which is a Southern District of New York case, your Honor, that holds that these types of reports do come into evidence under the public record exception. Similarly, the Spanierman case, which is also, your Honor, a Southern District of New York case, similarly holds FBI records like the one that we are seeking to introduce are entered into evidence under this public records exception.
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+21 22 23 24 25 So let's take a look at it. Again, at the top right-hand corner you're going to see the FBI seal, you're going to see the date, and you are going to see a lot of detail about the client's interview during this interview. And as you know, your Honor, this comes into play because the FBI was
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 continuing to investigate Epstein. They flew to Australia to interview our client. She gave her witness statement to them along with other evidence that she produced to them, and that's recorded in this. And why is that important? That's important because in this very case, the defendants have claimed that other witnesses who did not report to law enforcement is problematic. So we want to be able to show this jury that yes, our client did report this to law enforcement, she gave a detailed statement to the FBI about what happened to her during her time with the defendant and Epstein, and it does outline those details, as you'll see looking through it. Of course there are redactions, but that doesn't make the document something that shouldn't be shown to the jury. In fact, it needs to be shown to the jury to show that our client did report her allegations to law enforcement law enforcement. So your Honor, it comes a nonhearsay purpose, to authorities, but it also of 803(8)(a), so that it show simply that and cooperated with in for that, which is she did report to comes in under the hearsay exception can come in as a public record.
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 And let's just look at the prongs of that test. A requires that it was an office activity. This is something that the FBI regularly does. It regularly conducts investigations, meetings with individuals and then records them in these 302s. It was a matter done under their legal duty to report. The FBI is required to have these forms, and that is
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 why it was recorded in this manner, your Honor. And it also has no indications of a lack of trustworthiness. Again, it says that the writer of the report, on the final page, was the interviewee. They make III about the dates when the interview was versus the date of recording. That's not unusual either, your Honor. In the course of their work they will record information, interview witnesses, and then make their official recording at the time that it's needed, and that is what happened here, your Honor. So it meets all of the trustworthiness prongs that are necessary for an 803 public record, your Honor, and we believe that it should come in both under that as a hearsay exception and as nonhearsay to show that did report her allegations to law enforcement and cooperated with law enforcement.
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+16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. MENNINGER: What you did not just hear is -- well, we don't have the FOIA request. We just have counsel testifying that they issued a FOIA request and got this document. We don't know who redacted the document. We don't know whether that was plaintiff's counsel or some other person before they got the document. We don't know when they got it. She's sitting here and telling your Honor she wants to introduce it for the fact that it was reported to law enforcement. Your Honor, this was supposedly a 2011 interview talking about events that happened, as I just mentioned, in
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+Thank you, your Honor.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 1997 through 2002, so this is not some contemporaneous report to law enforcement. We're talking about, at a minimum, an 11-year gap between some report to law enforcement. And you don't need the document. Plaintiff can testify that she talked to the FBI agents when she gets on the stand and she can say she did that in March 2011. But the report itself is nothing but hearsay offered for the truth of the matters asserted, your Honor. I find it wholly improbable, the testimony -- and I'll call it testimony -- by plaintiff's counsel that it's "not unusual" for the FBI to delay writing a report for two years. Your Honor, I practice in this area. I can tell you, it is quite unusual, in my experience, to have an FBI report generated two years after an interview. Was it generated from a recording, or was it generated from memory? Was it generated from notes? We have no idea, because you know what, we don't know who it is that wrote the report that plaintiff says she wants to introduce, and she hasn't provided that person's name.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Counsel said that there is no indications of a lack of trustworthiness. In addition to the fact that we don't know its provenance or where it came from, we don't know who wrote it, we don't know when it was written or how, we don't know what it actually says, because your Honor can see with your own two eyes that the vast majority of the content is crossed out. So if they introduce this evidence, we're going to have plaintiff saying, well, what it says beneath that redaction is
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+So your Honor, for all those reasons, it does not meet the test for 803(8)(a). They have asserted, without any substance or proof, that this was pursuant to an authorized investigation. They have asserted that it was prepared in due course after two years. There's no proof. We don't know who wrote it. We don't know what was said. I can't really picture a less reliable document, your Honor.
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+THE COURT: Okay. The CVRA action and the plea and prosecution and so on, and the victim notification letter.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, we've broken this up, but when I stop, Ms. Menninger can -- I'll tag her and she can come into the ring.
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+THE COURT: That's fine.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, I'm addressing the CVRA litigation motion, 669. I have to start with first, your Honor, one of my apparently pet peeves in this litigation is the point of all of the pleadings that are being referenced in this particular motion are drafted and filed by the lawyers that are sitting in this room, and it is troubling to me, because when we're arguing about the admissibility of this and what goes to the jury, it seemed inescapable to me that we are then in the position of, whether it's by document or from the
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 witness a jury, arguing drafted by Mr. stand or from the podium, having lawyers offer facts to statements to a jury, that they are going to be then are credible, and so we have this joinder motion, and Mr. Cassell, that they would like to introduce into evidence, whole cloth into evidence, that contains the legal arguments and the statements of lawyers, these lawyers, in a motion in another courtroom, of which they will then be arguing to a jury that's all true. And so I don't see how that's any different than a lawyer testifying in court, and so that's, to me, part of the backdrop to this.
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I also submit, your Honor, that the vast majority - well, frankly, all of these pleadings are not relevant to this action, and I say that because the plaintiffs continue to turn the issue of what's at issue in this case around. They have the burden of proving that what Ms. Maxwell said was false. That's what is at issue. We have to look at Ms. Maxwell's statement issued by Barden and Gow and then go backwards from there. And the burden on the plaintiff is proving falsity of that statement. It is not the situation where -- which is what they're trying to do is to say we have to prove what we said was true, what we the lawyers said was true, and therefore, we get to prove whatever we want to in connection with this litigation. And so it seems to me that we have turned all of this on its head, because instead of saying, the issue is, can the plaintiff meet its burden to prove the statement issued by
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+So with that as the context and the backdrop, your Honor, I simply don't understand or see how any of these pleadings are (A) relevant to this case, and (B) I don't see it or understand how they're simply not self-serving lawyer-vouchered statements, and I haven't heard any reason from the plaintiff, either orally or in writing, as to exactly how the introduction of these documents would be relevant to prove that Ms. Maxwell's statement was false.
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+THE COURT: But look, the problem obviously is that this is the document to which the defendant was responding, or at least portions of it.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Can I respond to that, your Honor?
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+THE COURT: Yes.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: I think that that's what they would like everyone to believe, but indeed, what the plaintiff was responding to were communications from the media about a document, these documents, that she had never seen, and so the factual backdrop here is that -- I mean, this doesn't get dropped on Ms. Maxwell's doorstep in December of 2014. She's getting calls from the media about, What do you have to say about this thing that these lawyers filed in this case in Florida? She is I think in England at the time. I don't
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+4 5 6 7 recall, frankly, but I believe she was in England; or her agents certainly are in England who are issuing this release. And so it's not that Ms. Maxwell reads this and then the lawyers issue their statement. So what she's responding to are press reports and calls from the media. I think that's pretty clear by Mr. Barden's declaration in the summary judgment paperwork as well as Mr. Gow's deposition.
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+8 9 10 11 12 The other thing that I have been pondering, your Honor, because this is a large problem for this case, is, assume for a moment, your Honor, what you just said is absolutely true, that she's responding to this pleading. Well --
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+13 14 THE COURT: But she refers to statement, or allegations.
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+15 MR. PAGLIUCA: Right.
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+16 17 THE COURT: And so it's those allegations that she's responding to.
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+18 19 20 MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, the difficulty I have, your Honor, and I think it's going to be a difficulty we're living with here --
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+21 THE COURT: But that's what the statement is. And --
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+22 23 24 25 MR. PAGLIUCA: You asked a question during the summary judgment hearing, and it's a great question: What are the allegations? And I think that's at the heart of dealing with the difficulty in a lot of these issues because as I stand here today, a year plus into this case, I don't know what they were. And --
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, but let me push back on this for a second, your Honor, because what we're talking about is not a statement by the plaintiff. If that's what we're talking about. If we're talking about this joinder motion, the Jane Doe 102 joinder motion is a legal pleading filed by these two lawyers. And there are no quotation marks in this thing --
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+THE COURT: Of course. That's what an allegation is.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Yes, but there are no quotation marks in this. There are no direct quotes. There is a lot of legal hyperbole and conjecture throughout the entire pleading. are statements by counsel contained in the pleading. And asked a question she defaming Mr. plaintiff? When defaming all of So I think it's the allegation, filed -- There so I rhetorically: What's she responding to? Is or Mr. Cassell, or is she defaming the you parse through this pleading, you could be these people, if that's what the allegation is. problematic to say this is the pleading that is because what happens is, this pleading gets
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+THE COURT: But this is an allegation of hers.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Of who?
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, filed on her behalf by her lawyers.
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+4 5 6 MR. PAGLIUCA: And she is Jane Doe 102 and it is filed by her lawyers, and that's what they are saying on her behalf. That's what I can say about that, your Honor.
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+7 8 THE COURT: I do understand how these documents are prepared.
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+9 MR. PAGLIUCA: I know you do.
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+10 11 THE COURT: This much I got. I've got that. But it's her statement. Come on.
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+12 13 14 15 16 Similarly, Ms. Maxwell's statement is her statement, regardless of how it was prepared. So I know the motive issue and all that. Now whether it should be in some form, but your client does not say, "The allegations with respect to me are false."
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+17 18 MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, I disagree with that, your Honor. I mean, I believe
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+19 THE COURT: They're all false.
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. PAGLIUCA: But I believe a fair reading of that document, the press release by Barden and Gow, is that she's talking about the allegations against her, Maxwell, and she includes Dershowitz, and that's essentially it. I mean, she's not parsing through the 102 pleading and saying, you know, this is wrong and that is wrong. And the fundamental reason for it
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: It is whatever she knew. But what is in the document is way broader, much broader, than her base of knowledge, or Barden's or Gow's, at the time this press release issued. So I think that's point number one.
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+Point number two is, they apparently want to introduce a lot more information from the Jane Doe 102 CVRA litigation than this simple document, and we can address those as we go along. If the Court were to deem portions of this relating to Ms. Maxwell and Mr. Dershowitz relevant to this matter, we had proposed, as part of our pleadings, a redacted version of this, which is also to your point just now, your Honor.
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+MR. CASSELL: And we have a point of agreement here, your Honor, now. We agree with the last point. The allegations that made against Maxwell are what's at issue in this case, not allegations against, you know, third Maxwell and of course Epstein, those kinds of things, but not other irrelevant players. But I think your Honor was exactly right.
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+THE COURT: Well, so you would have no objection to the introduction of the motion to intervene, the portions that describe Maxwell or talk about Maxwell.
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+MR. CASSELL: And Epstein, of course.
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+MS. MENNINGER: No.
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+MR. CASSELL: And Epstein. Because Maxwell isn't running around recruiting girls just for herself; she's running around recruiting girls for Epstein. So the allegation is against Maxwell and Epstein. The allegation that made was that Maxwell was recruiting girls to give to her boyfriend Epstein, so the allegations against Maxwell
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+THE COURT: So you would not object to the redaction of everything else in that motion.
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+MR. CASSELL: The principle is correct. The devil, of course, is in the details, because when you look at what they've redacted, here's one of the things they want to redact. Maxwell -- they want to redact this: "was a primary co-conspirator in Epstein's sexual abuse and sex trafficking
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+THE COURT: Well, her allegation is that Maxwell was a co-conspirator.
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+THE COURT: In our case, in our case, there's no crime charged. I mean, I understand the underlying --
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+THE COURT: -- facts. So it would be anything, in the motion to intervene, that dealt with obviously Maxwell directly or a co-conspirator.
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+MR. CASSELL: That's right. And the main co-conspirator here would be Epstein, of course. These girls were not being recruited, you know, just for Maxwell's personal consumption but for, obviously, Epstein, to satisfy Epstein's
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+sexual desires. When you look at what they're trying to redact, i think they're trying to make a mismatch out of the original allegations so it will be difficult for us to explain to the jury, well, why was this woman running around recruiting young girls if we can't mention, well, she was recruiting the young girls to take the sexual pressure off her and to satisfy the sexual desires of Mr. Epstein. That's why there was this vast --
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+THE COURT: Anything else you want to tell me?
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+MR. CASSELL: Yes, your Honor. I mean, it's critical to use the context here. As your Honor is pointing out -- and I think you're even getting pushback from them on this basic point. This is the core of the case. These were the original allegations that made, and they say this wasn't what she was responding to. If you look at, for example, their pleading on June 6 of last year, there was only one public statement that existed on January 2 nd to which Ms. Maxwell was responding. The document is the joinder motion filed in the Crime Victims' Rights Act case on behalf of plaintiff. That's what they said. That's what we said. We want to show to the jury the one document that set off this whole defamatory backlash, and what they want to do then is to redact it and essentially take out things like references to Maxwell being a co-conspirator, which means we won't be able to explain to the jury the appropriate context here.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 Also, the other point that's I think important to remember is we're going to be seeking not just compensatory damages but punitive damages, and when we get to that point, which will be part of the initial phase -- I know the financial issues may be different, but we're going to be arguing our punitive damages case in the initial portion of the trial -- we have to prove that she acted with actual malice. Her state of mind is obviously a critical issue. And so the jury's going to be wondering, well, why would she do this? One of the points that we need to make is, why was trying to get into this case in Florida? It was a Crime Victims' Rights Act case. It was designed to rip up a plea agreement, a nonprosecution agreement. And that agreement said all of Epstein's co-conspirators get a free pass from criminal prosecution in Florida. Which directly goes to Ms. Maxwell's motivation for all this.
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+17 THE COURT: How do we know that?
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+18 19 MR. CASSELL: Well, because we're going to be arguing that. We have --
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+20 21 THE COURT: No. Arguing. How do we know that the nonprosecution agreement gave immunity to Ms. Maxwell?
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+22 23 24 25 MR. CASSELL: Because it says it extends immunity to any of the "potential co-conspirators of Epstein." And we will introduce ample evidence at trial from which a reasonable jury could conclude that one of the potential co-conspirators of
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+Epstein was Maxwell. likely co-conspirator girl. His right-hand In fact, she was the number two, the most that benefited from that; his right-hand woman. I'm sorry. Ms. Maxwell. And so who got the benefit of that immunity provision? We're going to present to the jury it's Maxwell who got the benefit of the immunity provision. So why was it that she came out all guns blazing when filed a motion to join, to rip up the nonprosecution agreement? Because she had a horse in that race. She was trying to protect immunity for herself.
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+And so again, we bear the burden acted with actual malice, that is, from a of proving that she vindictive motive rather than for benign reasons. And of course trying to keep yourself immune from crimes you've committed is a classic example of acting with actual malice. And that again is just one of the arguments, and we're going to be able to connect all those links in the chain through cross-examining Maxwell, through cross-examining Epstein, and by also introducing ample documents, presenting evidence of her direct involvement in criminal offenses. And I realize crimes haven't been charged, but we're going to show that there are going to be ample crimes that could have been charged, which is why she needed the immunity that was extended by the nonprosecution agreement. And which is why she attacked to make her allegations seem noncredible. in an effort to try
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+12 13 MR. PAGLIUCA: They used the term "actual malice." I use the term "actual nonsense," your Honor.
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+14 15 16 17 18 You know, I first have to say, unless we're going to close the courtroom or I get to respond in kind, half of what this argument is is in violation of the protective order right here. And it's lawyer argument. And there are no facts to back it up.
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+19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Let's talk about the nonprosecution agreement. It is absolutely factual, Ms. Maxwell was never, not once, ever, contacted by the Palm Beach Police in reference to this investigation. She was never, not once, contacted by the FBI or the U.S. Attorney's Office in reference to this investigation. She testified in her deposition that she didn't hire a lawyer because she wasn't at risk in any of this. She
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+There are in fact certain individuals named directly as co-conspirators of Epstein's in the nonprosecution agreement. Maxwell is not one of them. She had absolutely no hand in crafting that agreement; none whatsoever. She never talked to anybody; she never had a lawyer talk to anybody on her behalf. So to start with the proposition that she then has to eat this nonprosecution agreement in this case is absolute nonsense. You want to take the backdrop to this in terms of what the investigation was, there were a number of individuals that were presented to the Florida State grand jury as a result of the state investigation. Maxwell was not one of them. Not at all. Never on anybody's radar about any of this. She didn't need to participate in this and she didn't know anything about it. That makes this nonprosecution agreement wholly irrelevant as it relates to Ms. Maxwell.
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+There is no evidence -- and in fact direct testimony is contrary to this -- that Ms. Maxwell knew about a nonprosecution agreement, knew about Epstein's plea agreement, knew about any of these things. So the idea that somehow this goes to actual malice is, again, actual nonsense. Because in order for it to be malice, in some fashion you have to know about it. And they have no evidence, they can present no evidence that she knew about any of these things. There will be no witness who gets on the witness stand who says Maxwell knew about the nonprosecution agreement, Maxwell knew about Epstein's immunity, Maxwell knew about Epstein's deal. Not one. So the notion that they can then say, II, you know, this has something to do with her motive, well, all of the case law, all of the case law on this issue, on introducing these kinds of things to prove knowledge, requires that the person you're introducing against actually knew about it. There is not one case that they can cite, and they haven't cited, that says, I'm going to introduce it for notice or knowledge. Well, you have to know about it. The person has to know about it for it to be introduced as notice or knowledge.
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+Again, I have to go back to the statement, your Honor. What they're trying to do is very selectively say, we like this evidence so, yeah, that's something that is part of what
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 we're going after; we don't like this evidence so of course that's not what was at issue here. The statement doesn't say Epstein in this statement. Not one mention of Epstein in this statement. And I vigorously dispute the notion that because lawyers put in a pleading, called someone a co-conspirator, these two lawyers put in their pleading identifying somebody as a co-conspirator when there's no evidence of that, that they then, these two same lawyers, get to come into a courtroom and give that to a jury and say, see, that was in this pleading here. Well, there's no evidence of that. And they're not going to produce any evidence of that.
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 And, by the way, your Honor, what we have to talk about here are factual assertions, in a defamation case. We're not talking about opinions. And what is the determination of whether someone is a co-conspirator or not, your Honor? First of all, it's a legal decision that certainly a layperson is not qualified to make. You have conducted 801(d)(2)(E) hearings for, you know, as long as I've been alive, I think, and you're the one who's making those determinations after the consideration of evidence. So to say that somebody can say someone is a co-conspirator and then you issue a press release that doesn't say, "I deny being a co-conspirator," that doesn't talk about that document at all other than to say Jane Doe 3 is , to then say we get to introduce a bunch of evidence because we said she was a co-conspirator against her
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+stands this case right on its head. That is not a factual assertion by that my client is a co-conspirator; that's opinion. And what we are concerned about here, I think as you pointed out in the very beginning of this case, is that we're not dealing with opinions, we're dealing with facts and factual assertions, which are at the heart of the defamation claim, not lawyer opinions in a pleading.
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+MR. CASSELL: May I just briefly respond, your Honor?
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: You know, this is my motion, and I don't think he gets that.
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+THE COURT: Yes.
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+MR. CASSELL: All right. Thank you, your Honor.
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+THE COURT: I take it that that concludes everything anybody wants to say about the Epstein plea and his registration.
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+MR. : No, your Honor. I was going to address that separately. I don't know if there's an additional argument from counsel. It was their motion, so if it is, then --
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+THE COURT: Yes. Okay.
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+MR. : And by the way, this is Brad on behalf of but I believe it's their up.
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+MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, a couple more points. They are related to what was just articulated for your Honor.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 With respect to the plea agreement, what we're talking about here is Mr. Epstein entered a plea agreement with the state of Florida, the district attorney's office. Again, as my co-counsel just articulated, there's no evidence that Ms. Maxwell had any participation in, knowledge of, etc., with regard to that plea agreement. The same is true with respect to the nonprosecution agreement, which was the federal side. And then finally, he also moved to exclude any references to Mr. Epstein's sex offender registration. All of these are out-of-court statements. These documents are out-of-court statements that they would like to introduce, they say in their papers, for the "effect on the hearer," which, again, your Honor, requires that the hearer actually have heard of them or have seen them, and they have no evidence whatsoever that Ms. Maxwell ever had possession of those documents. In fact, when they asked her about this at deposition, she said that she had not actually ever seen those documents.
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+5 6 7 I had a couple more comments on the notification, the victim notification letter, your Honor. While I'm here, I'll just add those to it.
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+8 THE COURT: Sure.
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, the victim notification letter, if you will, as it's been called in this litigation, was purportedly sent to plaintiff in 2008, which is three years before that FBI interview we were just talking about a minute ago, in 2011. So at the time this so-called victim notification letter says it was sent, plaintiff had never even spoken to law enforcement. So it is entirely unclear on what basis anybody reached a legal conclusion that plaintiff was the victim of a federal crime. Even looking at the document itself, your Honor, the document doesn't say on what grounds anyone determined her to have been a victim. It doesn't say who decided that. It doesn't say what evidence they looked at. Doesn't say when they reached that conclusion. And more importantly, it says she was identified as a victim of crimes by Mr. Epstein. You can scour that document in vain trying to find any reference to Ms. Maxwell. It's not in there.
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+18 19 20 21 22 THE COURT: The problem that I see is that, I understand the argument about the truth of the notification, whether or not she's a victim. I get that. But it is an explanation of her standing or her view of her standing in the CVRA litigation.
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+23 24 25 MS. MENNINGER: Well, your Honor, that's an interesting point. The letter does itself talk about, there's been a challenge to the way in which victims have been
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 notified, and if you want any more information about that, here's a lawyer you can get in touch with. So supposedly she got this letter in 2008, right? When, your Honor -- pop quiz here -- did she file a joinder motion trying to join that CVRA litigation? December 30, 2014. So we have in excess of a six-year gap between being notified that there is some kind of CVRA litigation and her effort to join that litigation. And in the interim, your Honor, she had counsel. Not these two counsel. She did get them in 2011. But in 2009 she had her own lawyer, who is identified in that letter. And so what we have is a letter, we don't know the provenance of it, but it does give her some notice about her rights in the CVRA litigation, telling her who to contact. She doesn't do that for six years.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I think, your Honor, we are looking at having an entire -- I don't even want to call it a sideshow, just an entire CVRA litigation in this courtroom, because if that letter comes in, then we are necessarily going to have to explain a whole lot of law, a whole lot of facts to this jury that are not pertinent to the statement issued by Ms. Maxwell's counsel and press agent. We are going to have jury instructions about what the Crime Victims' Rights Act means, we're going to have Judge Marra's order explaining why did someone wait six years and put in all these allegations about nonparties like Ms. Maxwell, Mr. Dershowitz, and striking them.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 And I mean striking them. You can't go on Pacer right now and get that joinder motion because he struck them. So we're talking about then taking all of that information, that legal discussion and factual discussion -- there's other Jane Does, we're talking about 404(b) there, some other things we'd move to redact, there was a Jane Doe 4 who also wasn't allowed to join who has completely different allegations. We're talking about things that are in those documents and law and rulings that are frankly, you know -- Ms. Maxwell certainly wasn't a part of the CVRA litigation so we haven't had an opportunity to even get all this information. We've had to subpoena these counsel for information, and they've moved to quash all of those subpoenas, your Honor. Even when we're asking, what is it that you even have from that litigation that relates to our litigation? They don't even want to provide that. But they want to come in here and bring in letters and plea agreements and all this other stuff that they've been litigating against Epstein but Ms. Maxwell has had no part of because she was not one of the people accused, by anybody else, except this plaintiff.
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+21 22 THE COURT: The difficulty, obviously, is the -- and we're back to where we were some moments ago, of allegations.
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+23 24 25 MS. MENNINGER: It's not really that difficult because we've had depositions of people like Ms. Maxwell. We've had depositions of Mr. Gow. You know, they've had an opportunity
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 to develop this factual record. And guess what? No facts have supported that anybody gave a copy of that CVRA joinder motion to Ms. Maxwell. They didn't send it to her. They sent it to the press. They called the press and told the press, cover this motion. But they didn't send it to Ms. Maxwell. So they don't have any evidence that she actually had the document. What they have evidence of, Mr. Gow testified to, is she was getting calls and he was getting calls from the press asking for a response and, frankly, suggesting that there was a new person out there who was making allegations against Ms. Maxwell, when it turned out no other person has made allegations against Ms. Maxwell, only plaintiff has done that. And so the very first line of the statement, your Honor, is, this is not a new person, this is the same person from 2011 that I already issued a statement about, and it talks directly about, the allegations against Ghislaine Maxwell are untrue. It doesn't say the allegations against Jeffrey Epstein are untrue. It doesn't say the allegation about being a co-conspirator, that part's untrue. It just talks about the allegations against Ms. Maxwell.
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+21 22 23 THE COURT: But correct me if I'm wrong. There were no allegations prior to this time of misbehavior by Ms. Maxwell.
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+24 25 MS. MENNINGER: That's untrue, your Honor. Plaintiff sold her story to Sharon Churcher. When she sold her story to
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+THE COURT: So there were statements in the initial story about Ms. Maxwell.
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+MS. MENNINGER: They were different. I mean, that was part of this point is that over time the statements from 2011 were more minimal, and then by 2014, they had grown. That's one of the points that was actually made in the --
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+THE COURT: What were they?
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+MS. MENNINGER: At first she says she was the one, that Ms. Maxwell was the one who introduced her to Epstein but it was a different woman who led her upstairs to engage in sexual contact with Mr. Epstein and that that other person is the one who actually showed her and trained her how to be a masseuse. That's what she said in the Sharon Churcher published articles.
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+MR. : Your Honor, Brad on behalf of I prepared notebooks for a separate hearing, but this hearing has evolved into a need for these notebooks, so may I approach, your Honor? I believe it will help all of us to focus on the issues.
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+And your Honor, I took the liberty to highlight portions of it, and if by any means somebody believes, in reading more of what is in this notebook, that other portions may be helpful, then that's okay. But just to kind of focus what this case is about. And for me, the parameters of this case are defined by the statements and by the law governing defamation. And if we start with, under Tab 1, Ms. Maxwell's statement, line 1 is, "The allegations made against Ms. Maxwell are untrue." So we are in agreement -- it's the allegations made against Ms. Maxwell. Sentence two: "The original allegations are not new and have been fully responded to and shown to be untrue." So we have to first find the allegations against Ms. Maxwell that she's responded to, and then for the second sentence, what were the original allegations, and that she fully responded to and shown to be untrue, and that's where
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+14 15 THE COURT: But there's no evidence, or is there, of Maxwell's knowledge of that case or those allegations.
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+16 17 18 19 MR. : There is, and I will explain. Beginning in paragraph 17 of the Jane Doe 102 complaint through paragraph 19, there are -- yeah, 17 through 19 -- there are allegations about Ms. Maxwell.
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 In 2011, which is Tab 4 and 5, two articles come out. If we start with Tab 4, that is one of the articles that was being referred to by Ms. Maxwell, and the first line, the title of the article is, "Prince Andrew and the 17-year-old girl his sex offender friend flew to Britain." The next line down says, reveals she is Jane Doe 102 in the Epstein
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 And there are more allegations within these articles paraphrasing what was in Jane Doe 102 as well as elaborating upon them through an interview that had, and it results in a second article, a few days later, issued March 7, 2011, that is entitled, "Epstein's Girl Friday fixer," and the article is about Ms. Maxwell. And after that article, a few days later, Ms. Maxwell issues a statement saying, "The allegations against me are abhorrent and entirely untrue," which she adopts in the first statement.
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+13 14 15 16 THE COURT: Yes, I understand that obviously she was responding to this Churcher article, but there's nothing to me that indicates that she was responding to the Epstein complaint.
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+17 18 19 20 MR. : Well, she's responding to what she says are the original allegations. The original allegations were in Jane Doe 102 that's referred to in the Churcher articles. So for certain, by 2011, she's looking at Jane Doe 102 to learn
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+22 23 24 MR. : Well, it may be, and she can get on the stand and say, I saw that, that it said Jane Doe 102. This was my boss who had gone to jail, who had been sued.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 deals with the admissibility of things like the nonprosecution agreement, Jeffrey Epstein's plea, his sex offender registration, because if it relates to Ms. Maxwell's statement or the statement that Ms. Maxwell refers to, then it's relevant. Or it goes to an element of defamation. If it does not, then it cannot. And so the thing that I will tell you about those documents is, Ms. Maxwell has admitted she was employed by Mr. Epstein from a time period well before he went to jail until 2009, until he's out of jail. She's on flight logs with him. She's his number one employee. In fact, when we took, in a separate case, Mr. Dershowitz' deposition on specifically the topic of what did Jeffrey Epstein tell you about Virginia's allegations, or what did Ms. Maxwell tell you --
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+15 THE COURT: Give me a break. This I don't need, do I?
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+16 17 18 19 20 MR. : Well, I'm only bringing it up for the last point, which is, he says: There was a joint defense agreement in place during the 2005-2006 allegations between Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. Therefore I can't give you the answers. So we're talking about --
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+21 22 THE COURT: As far as I know, there's no evidence available to me of a joint defense agreement.
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+23 24 MR. : Okay. I only know what was testified to in sworn testimony, so I presume --
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+25 THE COURT: But it's not in this case.
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+4 5 6 7 MR. : I understand. I understand, your Honor. So at a time when Jeffrey Epstein is investigated, Ghislaine Maxwell is flying on his plane, she's vacationing with him. We have flight logs, we have photographs that were taken during that time.
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+8 THE COURT: So what --
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+9 MR. : So she knows --
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+10 THE COURT: -- relative to what we're dealing with?
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+11 MR. : So she knows that he's pleading guilty.
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+12 13 THE COURT: You mean because she was on the plane I can say she knows that he pled guilty?
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+14 15 MR. : She knows her employer went to jail while --
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+16 17 THE COURT: Okay. She knows the employer went to jail. So?
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+18 MR. : It's a public record that --
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+19 THE COURT: Okay. So?
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+20 21 MR. : -- that he's on the sex offender registration.
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+22 THE COURT: Okay. Agreed.
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+23 MR. : So at the time --
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+24 THE COURT: So?
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+25 MR. : So at the time she issues her statement
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+MR. : Okay.
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+THE COURT: So problems enough I've got.
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+in 2015, which is, all of these allegations that deal with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, all of those allegations are untrue, she has the ability to know all of the public information that would tell her this is factually true.
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+THE COURT: But that's not -- okay. All right.
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+MR. : She can definitely --
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+THE COURT: It doesn't wash. You know it doesn't wash. You must know it doesn't wash.
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+MR. : I'm not saying she can't get on the stand and say she doesn't know. I get that. But for her to be the main employee and not know what's going on in his life when everybody knows --
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+THE COURT: Well, okay. All right. What's next?
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+: Your Honor, I'd like --
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: I'd like to respond to this joint defense agreement issue just raised by Mr.
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+You're going to see a pleading later today that is going to have the actual Dershowitz transcript testimony in this, and this is now, again, I say lawyer testimony here, unsupported by the facts. There is no joint defense agreement between Maxwell and Dershowitz. I've told these lawyers that ten times now. When you go back to the Dershowitz transcript, which I have appended the portions of the pages they're now talking about, Dershowitz is asked a question by -- not Mr. , who's the defendant in that case, your Honor, and
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+the plaintiff and counterclaimant are the defendant in that 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 case. Who's in the room. Dershowitz is asked a question: Did you talk to Maxwell? And Dershowitz says: Gee, I think that may be privileged and I'm not going to answer. And I'm paraphrasing, but you will have this testimony. There's then an objection by the lawyer who's representing Mr. about: Is this a legitimate assertion of joint defense privilege? Dershowitz then says: Well, you know, I know that I talked to people who were alleged as co-conspirators, and I think that comes under Epstein's privilege. Mr. in the transcript, who is a party litigant, says: She wasn't a co-conspirator. That's what he says in this transcript, which you will see. He makes that affirmative representation to the special and Dershowitz. Then Dershowitz says: Gee, this was a long time ago. I may be wrong about that, but I'm going to err on the side of invoking the privilege. And the special says: Well, we can figure all this out later. If there is a joint defense agreement, you know, produce it and they can complain about it. They've taken that and disingenuously represented in pleadings and now again in court that there is some joint defense agreement with my client, which is emblematic of the problem of having lawyers as witnesses in this case, your Honor.
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+24 25 : Your Honor, just to respond specifically with regard to the victim notification letter, if your Honor
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+4 5 6 7 Your Honor, you have the briefing in front of you so you have our reasons why this should be admissible at trial. I would just like to add to that we have a witness who can authenticate this letter as well. It's Jeffrey Epstein. He can authenticate what went into this letter, who it went to, and why it did when he testifies.
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+8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 I would also add that the chronology of events here is really relevant and this victim notification letter comes into play. You can see received this in 2008. Several months later, she filed suit against Jeffrey Epstein pursuant to this letter in the Jane Doe 102 complaint. Paragraph 29 of that complaint references this specific letter, and of course that complaint is referenced in the Churcher articles, which is referenced by Ms. Maxwell's first public statement about in 2011. So almost like a Russian nesting doll, all this information is contained in the next document and the next document and the next document.
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+19 20 This letter actually should also come in under 803(8) as a public record.
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+21 22 THE COURT: Forgive me. What does Churcher say about the Jane Doe complaint?
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+23 24 25 : She says that is the Jane Doe of that complaint, and that complaint says that Maxwell was a recruiter and abuser, and that complaint also
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+will allow, I'd like to approach and give you a copy of it.
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+says that received the victim notification letter.
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+Okay. It says: In her civil writ against him, under a pseudonym, Jane Doe 102, she alleged that her duties included being sexually exploited by Epstein's adult male peers, and it says what her real name is, and of course these articles to which defendant responded mention defendant as well.
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+THE COURT: Yes. Ms. Maxwell is not saying that the article was false with respect to the filing of that complaint, right?
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+: I'm sorry. I apologize, your Honor. I don't think I follow your question. I think that Ms. Maxwell knew about the Churcher article, which told her about the litigation against Epstein.
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+THE COURT: It told her there was a complaint.
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+: Your Honor, this is also a public record that should come in under 803(8). This came from a public office, the United States Department of Justice. It contains findings of a legally authorized investigation into the sex crimes of Epstein. Defendant cannot make a showing that it lacks trustworthiness. She does not cite to any cases in which a victim notification letter has been excluded. Defendant has in her briefing tried to recharacterize this as a witness notification letter, but that's not what this is. It says right at the top, Jeffrey Epstein, Notification of Identified Victims, not identified witness.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The Seventh Circuit case cited by defendant can be distinguished because in that case someone was trying to show that he wasn't a criminal and that he was a victim instead. That's not the situation here. So this has all the components to warrant admission under 803(8). And one more point. Alex Acosta never said he didn't have enough evidence to convict Epstein. He said it was a risk to go to trial. Every trial is a risk, and a decision not to go to trial against someone does not mean that any of these victims were not victims. It's a decision an attorney made about whether to go to trial or to seek restitution in a different manner. That's all I have on that. THE COURT: Tell me again why you think this is relevant. I think, your Honor, that it goes to the state of mind that Maxwell had when she issued her defamatory statement. She knew that had brought this claim against Epstein and the rubric under which she brought it because she knew about the Churcher article, alerted her to it. She had that knowledge for nearly five years. This was 2011. She made a defamatory statement in 2015. THE COURT: She knew that a case had been brought by against Epstein, right? : Yes, sir. Yes, your Honor.
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+4 5 6 7 8 standing under the CVRA joinder motion, because that's also in this letter. And defendant did testify that she knew why her boyfriend went to jail. She testified that she knew about that. So it's kind of disingenuous to say that defendant had no idea what was going on and all of a sudden in 2015 --
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+9 10 THE COURT: Well, she knew that he went to jail, and presumably she knew --
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+11 : For sex crimes with minors.
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+12 THE COURT: Yes.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MS. McCAWLEY: Your Honor, could I just add one point. I'm sorry. Just one point of clarification with respect to the Jane Doe 102 complaint, which is May 4 th of 2009. Defendant testified she was still working for Epstein in 2009, and this has, if you turn in your binder, paragraph 17, specific allegations about Maxwell leading her up to the room, about the abuse she suffered by Maxwell, about how she engaged in that abuse. I mean, there's no way to say Maxwell did not know about the allegations in a complaint in 2009 when she's still working for Epstein that specifically talk about her abusing somebody. Taking off clothes -- I mean, it goes into grand detail about the abuse.
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+25 THE COURT: But that's an assumption.
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+THE COURT: More than that?
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+: it also shows that she knew about
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+MS. McCAWLEY: Well, we're entitled to ask her on the stand; we're entitled to ask Jeffrey what he told her.
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+THE COURT: That's a different issue. That's a different issue. I mean, that's a wholly different thing. You're talking about your affirmative case.
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+MS. McCAWLEY: Thank you, your Honor.
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+MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, in the binder behind Tab 6 is the statement issued by Ms. Maxwell in 2011, which says, "Ghislaine Maxwell denies the various allegations about her that have appeared recently in the media." It doesn't reference Jane Doe 102. There's no evidence that she even had a copy of the complaint or knew anything about the complaint that had filed as an anonymous person back in 2011. That's a statement she issued in response to the articles behind Tabs 4 and 5.
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+I don't even understand the argument that Jeffrey Epstein can authenticate this victim notification letter. I really don't. I'm struggling.
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+And I also struggle with the Russian nesting dolls, because to say that one thing gives you notice to another thing, that gives you notice to another thing, it really kind of just eliminates the rules of evidence, your Honor.
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+THE COURT: In the interest of humanity, we will have a short break.
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+THE COURT: Much as I'd like to move on, I do have one other question. Is there going to be evidence of settlement of Jane Doe, from the defense?
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: You anticipate this answer, your Honor. It kind of depends on what happens in the plaintiff's case in chief. You know, that's as best as I can answer it. I mean, it is not my present intention to introduce that evidence during the course of the trial, I think is the best way I can say it, but it's obviously going to depend on what happens in the first part of the case. I mean, you know, if this thing busts wide open, then it may be a donnybrook here about all this stuff.
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+THE COURT: Well, and I thought that the information that I have about that came from the defense.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: It may be. I think we filed a motion in limine to preclude the plaintiff from introducing it in their case in chief. I think that's why you have that information.
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+THE COURT: Ah. And is that --
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+MS. McCAWLEY: Yes, your Honor.
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+THE COURT: That's part of the --
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+MS. McCAWLEY: It's a separate motion, your Honor. I can give you the docket entry. No. 6 --
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+THE COURT: Where is it? I mean, we don't have it
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+MS. McCAWLEY: They moved for an extension of time to respond to that. So it's their motion, the defendant's motion. They moved to exclude the Jane Doe 102 complaint and the Jane Doe settlement. Docket entry 663. We opposed that, in part, and then they asked for an extension. I believe they're supposed to be filing their reply to that this evening, so we can argue that -- I'm happy to argue it now, but --
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+THE COURT: No, no. Thanks very much. It is conceivable that that would solve many of the problems that we just talked about, however.
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+Okay. Where are we? Yes. Evidence of Maxwell's involvement.
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+MR. CASSELL: Is this 686?
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+THE COURT: Yes.
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+MR. CASSELL: Yes, your Honor. Paul Cassell for
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+. I'm arguing this motion.
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+As you know, the motion was an affirmative motion to avoid disputes arising in the middle of trial, and so we set out at the beginning of the pleading and I won't recount all of it here, but - going to produce. that goes directly illustrative types of evidence that we were And this, of course, is going to be evidence to proving the allegations that we've been talking about today. For example, we're going to produce Tony , who's going to say that Epstein's assistants
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+regularly called him asking him to bring girls over for Epstein, and in fact the defendant once or twice called him personally asking him to bring girls over. Epstein and the defendant were always with each other --
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, this is all subject to the protective order, and I guess I don't know -- if we're throwing it out the window, we're throwing it out the window and I will respond in kind, but, you know, I just put it out there so that there can be a fair response. This is a defamation case. I think I'm entitled to a fair response to these comments, but I don't want to be hamstrung by the protective order in responding to these claims.
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+THE COURT: Well, look, and this goes to all counsel. This would be part of the trial --
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+MR. CASSELL: Yes.
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+THE COURT: -- except that you chose to bring it now, and I'm not critical of that. That's perfectly all right by me. But this is really part of the trial. And so I think the defense comment is an appropriate one -- I mean, noting the fact that the order is no longer in effect.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: That's all fine with me, your Honor.
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+THE COURT: Well, I understand, but just so we all know where we are. I mean, as I understood it, you all had agreed -- now maybe I'm wrong -- that anything that was introduced or anything that, absent a particular application,
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+anything that occurred in the trial is open. And this is part of the trial. It isn't, but it is. And so what I'm saying is, I think it is part of the trial, even though it's in the in limine motion. It would be made during the trial. Now of course it would not be made in front of a jury, but it would be public.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: The only reason I'm raising this issue, your Honor, is twofold.
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+THE COURT: No. I think it's useful.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: I don't want to be in violation of your order.
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+THE COURT: No, no. Understood.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: But the other is, we have these arguments, and then after the fact plaintiff's counsel moves to redact things that they don't like from the transcripts when, you know -- it's like either it is or it isn't part of the record.
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+THE COURT: Well, that we don't have today. I mean, that issue we don't have today. But I've already said what I think about it. And, I mean, it's not written in obviously. I'd be pleased to have any authority that anybody wants to give me on it. But that's my reaction, that this is part of the open record, just so we all know where we are.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Great.
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+MR. CASSELL: If I could just make a note about two
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+4 5 6 7 THE COURT: Well, now, you can't have it both ways. Okay? If there's somebody you want to talk about whose identity you want concealed, I thought we had understood that that was fine. Make an application, we'll deal with that. We'll deal with that. Absent that --
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+8 9 10 11 MR. CASSELL: It's going to be my practice to refer to under-age victims of sexual assault by initials rather than their full names, and I would hope defense counsel would agree to follow the same approach.
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+12 MR. PAGLIUCA: No.
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+13 14 15 MR. CASSELL: Then we would make an oral application that the names of minor victims of sexual assault be referred to by their initials, because it's not like --
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+16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 THE COURT: Well, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. One of the problems I have at the moment is trying to bring order out of chaos, and I think we had agreed that if there's going to be an application for that kind of relief, it should be made and we'll deal with it. I don't want to do it on the fly, suddenly, without any notice to anybody about anything, and so if you want to do that, I'm not prejudging it at all. That's fine with me. But I think where we are at the moment is that anything that's referenced now is open. That's the way I look at it. Okay.
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+points. One would be, there are minor victims of sexual assaults who are not parties to this case.
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+4 5 6 7 8 MR. CASSELL: Thank you, your Honor. For example, I'm going to refer, in the next bit of evidence, which is in our reply brief, to a woman who I will identify by the initials SR. She described defendant as "the main right-hand woman of Epstein" in connection with recruiting girls. She described a rotation. She said the rotation was organized by defendant. Every single day defendant would go to another girl and say, "It's your turn."
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 THE COURT: Well, wait, wait, wait. Maybe I'm wrong -- which, parenthetically, I have been wrong on a number of occasions, which I regretfully report -- but this is the kind of an argument that somebody gets on the stand and they begin to testify and somebody makes an objection. And isn't that the case here? I mean, I don't know. I guess I'm saying, is this a proper in limine motion? I mean, we can't try the case twice.
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+17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. CASSELL: Right. But your Honor, the reason we brought this to your Honor's attention early is, this is going to permeate a number of the significant witnesses in the case. And rather than doing it on the fly in the middle of the trial with the jury here, since the issue can be clearly framed for your Honor at this point, there's no dispute as to what kind of evidence we're going to try to produce at trial, and I think there's obviously no dispute the defendant is going to oppose it, we wanted to surface the issue --
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 THE COURT: Yes, but what you just said, you see, it will be a question of what time frame are we talking about, of what was the witness' access. I mean, there are a lot of foundational questions that will come up, it seems to me. I mean, what I'm hoping is, as we proceed, we'll have an idea of who's going to testify and a rough idea of what their testimony is going to be, and at that point I'm perfectly prepared to sit with counsel and deal with it, but I'm not sure that we can go through witness by witness now. Does that make sense?
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+10 11 12 13 14 MR. CASSELL: It does very much, your Honor. I was simply offering in our brief -- as you know, our papers offered illustrative examples of an issue that your Honor is certain to face at trial so that we could get your guidance pretrial as to how --
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+15 16 17 THE COURT: If you have a witness who's going to testify that Ms. Maxwell did in fact do the things that she says said she did, that --
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+18 MR. CASSELL: That's all we're looking for.
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+19 THE COURT: Well, that's the case, isn't it?
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+20 21 MR. CASSELL: As you know, it seems like in this case, what's being --
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+22 23 THE COURT: Well, let me ask the defense: What's your view of all this?
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+24 MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, your Honor --
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+25 THE COURT: There's a propriety of trying to deal with this now.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 MR. PAGLIUCA: We pointed this out in the papers, which is precisely this problem you're struggling with. In the response that we filed, we pointed out that they haven't complied with Rule 404(b) and they haven't complied with Rule 415 because, you know, the allusion to this testimony are things like these bullet points on page 3 of their application: t1 will introduce testimony from a female," unidentified. " intends to introduce testimony of another witness." There is no time frame, there's no identity. We have a bullet point that is literally three sentences long for each of these. So there's no context for the Court to rule on any of this.
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+14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 So I agree with you, your Honor. I think, though, it is going to be an issue that is going to be struggled with during the course of this trial, in my view. And there are competing 404(b) motions here, in essence, your Honor. They have filed a 404(b) motion to introduce evidence and we have filed a 404(b) motion to exclude evidence. Frankly, we don't know what the evidence is that they're talking about in this application to introduce the evidence, and we don't believe that they have complied with the rules, and so as a matter of pretrial ruling, it should just be denied and, you know, if there is some evidence then that we need to discuss, we need to discuss it.
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+Similarly, Rule 415 has specific requirements that have to be complied with for the proponent of the evidence. None of those have been complied with here.
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+So my suggestion is that this motion at this point be denied, and if there's a specific evidentiary foundation that the Court can have that would allow the Court to make a ruling after argument, that's fine, but right now we just have counsel's representations in papers and in court and no actual evidence before your Honor.
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+MR. CASSELL: Your Honor, may I approach briefly, because with regard to compliance with the rules, it requires notice of the specific testimony at issue, and we included an appendix, I believe it's approximately a 25-page-long document, so --
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+MS. MENNINGER: Is that in your reply?
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+MR. CASSELL: Appendix A?
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+4 5 MR. CASSELL: Your Honor, I'm happy to argue, but I don't believe counsel should be interjecting in the middle of my argument. I'd like to just provide this document to your Honor at this time.
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+6 7 MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, the point of what Ms. Menninger is saying, your Honor --
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+8 9 10 MR. CASSELL: Your Honor, is it my turn to speak? I would request that I be given an opportunity to make my case now.
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+11 THE COURT: Well, wait a minute. I'm trying to --
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+12 MS. MENNINGER: Can you give us a copy.
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+13 14 THE COURT: I'm trying to figure out whether I'm going to hear any of this now.
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+15 16 Well, there we are. I take it under 415 there are certain requirements.
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+17 18 MR. CASSELL: Yes, your Honor. And that's what Appendix A is.
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+19 20 THE COURT: Witness' statements or summary of the expected testimony.
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+21 22 23 24 25 MR. CASSELL: Yes, your Honor. That's what Appendix A is designed to do. It's a 20-page summary of approximately I believe ten different witnesses. We've asked in our pleading to have Appendix A construed as the appropriate notice under Rule 415(b). If your Honor were to rule today that that notice
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+MS. MENNINGER: You provided the notice in the reply?
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+THE COURT: Yes.
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+MR. CASSELL: So today, one of the things I'm trying to make certain isn't overlooked is that we provided fair notice to the other side.
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+THE COURT: That's fine. You say Appendix A.
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+MR. CASSELL: I believe your law clerk has it right in front of you.
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+THE COURT: Ah, okay.
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+On the question of whether this is ripe, let me ask the defense, what do you think about Appendix A?
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: The first thing I would point out, your Honor, is that it wasn't proffered as part of their motion; it was proffered as part of the reply, and very recently, and we haven't had the time to respond to it. That's point one.
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+Point two is, the cited transcript testimony, frankly, is the subject of a number of other objections and motions that are pending for a lot of these witnesses. And so the testimony that's being proffered is also -- I know, because I wrote some of the objections -- being objected to for other reasons. So if we're going to talk about this testimony as the proffer, I'd like an opportunity to respond to it. But it also makes some sense to me that this would be put in abeyance until after we
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+THE COURT: Okay. Now what else do we have? I think I know what we're doing tomorrow. Ah. II, so with this, we're going to deal with that. Right?
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+MS. MENNINGER: Correct.
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+THE COURT: So that makes some kind of sense to me.
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+I understand that you believe some of the designated testimony is inadmissible for various reasons, and that we'll deal with on the 5 th , and I think maybe it would be appropriate -- and tell me if you agree or disagree -- that on • the 5th, if you have any other objections to the notice element in the rules, raise them then and then we'll decide whether we want to pursue this now or hold it for trial.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: That makes perfect sense to me, your Honor.
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+THE COURT: How does that sound to the plaintiffs?
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+MR. CASSELL: I think that's satisfactory, your Honor. I would just point out that the notice is not due until 15 days before trial.
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+THE COURT: No. I understand that.
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+MR. CASSELL: But we are planning to supplement this notice, particularly in light of, we continue to hear objections today that this isn't sufficient, so I'm planning to 4 THE COURT: Well, when will your notice be complete? And of course you're entitled to say not until 15 days before trial.
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+5 6 7 8 MR. CASSELL: I'm the one who will be preparing the notice. I'm out of town until I get back in my office next Tuesday, and so I can have it ready for you by Wednesday night, of next week.
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+9 THE COURT: But you heard what I said, that --
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+10 MR. CASSELL: Right.
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+11 THE COURT: -- that's it?
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+12 13 MR. CASSELL: We would then have what we think is a sufficient notice by next Wednesday night.
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+14 15 THE COURT: No, no, no. But that's not quite what I'm saying.
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+16 MR. CASSELL: I'm sorry.
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+17 18 THE COURT: What I'm saying is, do you want to use the entire period that is available to you --
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+19 MR. CASSELL: No.
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+20 21 THE COURT: All right. Well, then you tell us. What date will you make your final --
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+22 23 MR. CASSELL: Next Wednesday night. Because I think we're here next Wednesday, and Thursday it could be argued.
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+24 25 THE COURT: All right. So then obviously we won't be able to deal with this question of the notice until the
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+MR. CASSELL: Are we here next Wednesday and Thursday or --
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+4 5 THE COURT: I don't know. II, yes. Well, but you're also going to be here on the 10th.
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+6 7 MR. PAGLIUCA: We're here next Wednesday, not next Thursday.
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+8 MR. CASSELL: II, I'm sorry.
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+9 THE COURT: I don't know. Wednesday, Thursday?
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+10 11 12 MR. PAGLIUCA: We're here next Wednesday, not next Thursday. And just to this point, I'd rather not get a notice either Tuesday night or Wednesday --
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+13 THE COURT: II, no. Of course I understand that.
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+14 MR. PAGLIUCA: Thank you.
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+15 16 17 18 THE COURT: II, yes. Okay. So next Wednesday is the drop dead date for the notice under 415. And we will consider it, and defense will let us know if they have any objections to the notice qua notice.
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+19 MR. CASSELL: Right.
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+20 21 22 THE COURT: And then at that point we'll determine whether we want to hear it in advance of trial or save it for the trial. Okay?
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+23 24 25 MR. CASSELL: The only thing that we would request is, if the defense says, your notice is defective on point A or B, since we don't have to finally file it until 15 days before, we would then request leave to have a chance to fix it. We want to --
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+4 5 6 THE COURT: Well, that's just exactly what I was trying to avoid. So look, okay, you want to take your full time, go ahead, take it. Obviously we will not be able to deal with this until 15 days before the trial. Which is okay.
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+7 MR. CASSELL: All right. Thank you, your Honor.
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+8 9 THE COURT: Okay. All right. So where are we now? What's the plaintiff's plan?
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+10 11 12 13 MS. McCAWLEY: I think you said the next motion that you wanted to hear was defendant's motion prohibiting questioning regarding defendant's sexual activities, which s --
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+14 THE COURT: 675? No.
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+15 MS. McCAWLEY: -- 665.
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+16 17 MS. MENNINGER: I have 675, as your Honor had indicated.
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+18 THE COURT: Yes.
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+19 20 Forgive me. Maybe you all know where we are on the 415 problem, timingwise, but I don't.
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+21 MS. MENNINGER: I don't.
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+22 23 24 MS. McCAWLEY: You mean what you were just discussing, your Honor, for our notice? We'll provide the notice within 15 days prior to trial. Is that what you're asking?
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+25 THE COURT: Okay. MS. McCAWLEY: That's how we'll do that.
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+THE COURT: So you won't do anything before then. Okay.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 MS. McCAWLEY: So I'm sorry. I confused you. I thought you were asking about -- when you gave the list at the beginning of the hearing, I think what you said, one of the ones you wanted to hear was DE 665, which is defendant's motion in limine to prohibit questions regarding defendant's adult sexual activities.
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+10 THE COURT: The only ones --
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+11 MS. McCAWLEY: That's fully briefed.
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+12 THE COURT: Yes. Okay. It's Maxwell's motion.
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+13 MS. McCAWLEY: Yes, your Honor.
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+14 MS. MENNINGER: Are you talking about 665 or 675?
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+15 THE COURT: I think 675?
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+16 17 , do I have the number wrong? I'm sorry.
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+19 20 21 II. MENNINGER: I have 675, which is our motion in limine to permit questioning regarding plaintiff's sexual history and reputation.
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+22 THE COURT: Yes.
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+23 24 25 But you also have a motion in limine to prohibit questions regarding defendant's adult sexual activity. That's 665. That's defendant's motion in limine.
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+THE COURT: Well, you want to do that? It's the same problem. Well, no, it isn't. No, it isn't.
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+MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I will say that it is my reading of Rule 412 that any hearing that is based upon in part Rule 412 is supposed to be conducted in a in camera setting.
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+MS. MENNINGER: It's our position that the materials are not barred by 412, but I am trying to be cautious here, your Honor.
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+THE COURT: Well, let me ask you a dumb question. This is not a sex offense case.
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+MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, in fact, the notes, the committee notes in regard to Rule 412 specifically exclude defamation actions involving statements concerning sexual misconduct, which is pretty directly on point, I think.
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+THE COURT: II, yes. Okay. All right. Okay. Is there anybody in the courtroom that is not part of the litigation team? Okay.
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+MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, there is counsel for a witness who happens to be present who is covered by the protective order, but I believe there are other people who are not related to the trial team.
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+UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I am not part of the
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+THE COURT: Will the lawyers get this sorted out.
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+MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I hope I'm being clear, but I'm going to say it one more time. I do not believe that Rule 412 bars the evidence that we seek to admit by virtue of this motion. However, we filed this motion in an abundance of caution. I was directing your Honor to the advisory committee notes that actually say that 412 does not bar this kind of evidence in a defamation action involving statements concerning sexual misconduct, which this case clearly is.
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+Your Honor, there are four categories of evidence that we would like to introduce and we believe are not precluded by Rule 412 or any of the other rules of evidence, and so that's
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 what the point of my motion is. The first one relates to plaintiff's allegations that prior to ever meeting Mr. Epstein or Ms. Maxwell, she was the victim of sex trafficking by an individual named Ronald Eppinger. Mr. Eppinger apparently was indicted in Florida for some sex crimes, and plaintiff's counsel took Mr. Eppinger's sex crimes information, his indictment, his arrest, neither of which mentioned plaintiff, by the way, but they took those materials and gave them to their psychiatric expert, Dr. Kliman, who made the video we talked about earlier. Dr. Kliman also administered a number of tests to plaintiffs to figure out whether she had any preexisting mental health conditions, in particular posttraumatic stress disorder. In response to plaintiff's claims that she had posttraumatic stress disorder, she described a period of time when she says she was victimized by Mr. Eppinger, and she attributed her PTSD to that time period. Then, in Dr. Kliman's report, he describes both Mr. Eppinger's criminal charges and also -- and this is very important, your Honor -- plaintiff claims that when she first met Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell, she told them about Ron Eppinger, that she said she had previously been the victim of sex crimes by this Ron Eppinger, and she said she told them that so they knew that she was a vulnerable victim. And she attributes that conversation to the very first time she met Ms. Maxwell and Mr. Epstein. She not only has put that into her book
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 manuscript but she told that to her psychiatrist, who was the expert endorsed by her in this case. So Dr. Kliman, at his deposition, was asked about any preexisting conditions that has, and he found that she already had PTSD from this Eppinger event prior to ever meeting Mr. Epstein or Ms. Maxwell. And he also said that she needs treatment for the fact that she had already been trafficked; she needs psychiatric treatment going forward for that prior event, even without any alleged defamatory statement. In other words, he said that even if this statement had never been made, he would also have recommended that she continue to have treatment going forward. And then, as you know, from reading all of the 702 motions, he has treatment going said she needed a certain dollar value of forward.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 So for us, now she's got a claim for PTSD from the alleged defamatory statement, or at least she's claiming her prior PTSD was exacerbated by the defamatory statement. There's no way to talk about her preexisting condition without talking about the fact that she says she was sexually trafficked before meeting Epstein and Maxwell, and also she says she told them about it in their first meeting. There's simply no way to cross-examine her about either her condition or her story as it relates to Epstein and Maxwell without getting into this alleged prior sex trafficking. Plaintiff in their response said they want to keep it out.
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+It also was a part of her story in those Sharon Churcher articles, your Honor now has in a book in front of you, that we talked about a little bit earlier, so it is plaintiff who publicized to the entire world the fact that she says she was sexually trafficked prior to Epstein and Maxwell. She put that into her Sharon Churcher story. She got paid for that story. And so one of the issues in our case are her damages to her reputation. And if she's the one who was affirmatively selling that story to the press, publicizing it to the world, it is impossible for us to cross-examine her with regard to what her reputation was like in advance of any supposed statement that she claims is defamatory. So in other words, Rule 412 excludes -- even if your Honor were to find that it applies for some reason, it explicitly excludes evidence offered to show the defamatory statement did not damage her reputation, if the victim puts her reputation in issue. That's in the plain language of the rule.
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+The second category of evidence we seek to introduce at trial, your Honor, relates to testimony by her fiancé Michael Ostrich and her boyfriend Tony . The facts on this, your Honor, are that met Mr. Ostrich, he was the brother of someone she was in rehab with, she was in drug rehab from the ages of 14 to 15, and she made a friend there and it turned out to be Mr. Ostrich's sister, so when she got out of drug rehab in 1999, she moved in with Mr. Ostrich's
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 family, met him and became engaged to him. While she was engaged to him, she and he -- and he described at the deposition, he got down on one knee and proposed to her and gave her a ring. They then moved back in with plaintiff's parents for a while. And again, your Honor, this all predates when she says that she met Ms. Maxwell or Mr. Epstein. She moved back in with her parents with her fiancé. Both of her parents talked about her having this fiancé and living in the trailer outside of their home. And then ultimately she -- I'm sorry. There was a period of time she and this fiancé lived apart in another city, in an apartment, and then later they moved back in with plaintiff's parents, and then they got their own apartment near her parents' house, and she says that when she was living in this apartment is when she met Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell.
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+16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Your Honor, we seek -- I did not ask Mr. Ostrich questions about any particular sexual acts. I asked him questions about her being engaged to him and living with him during the period of time she claims she was a sex slave of Mr. Epstein. So Mr. Ostrich has relevant testimony regarding the time period, his observations, his conversations with her, and the fact that he was her fiancé at that period of time. I don't think any of that implicates Rule 412, the fact that she was engaged to and living with her boyfriend, but plaintiffs have taken a different view in their response, somehow claiming
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+Secondly, your Honor, she held herself out to Ms. Maxwell as being engaged to this individual, by her own account. So she told Ms. Maxwell she was engaged. One of the issues in this case is the age at which she met Ms. Maxwell, etc., but certainly if you're talking about an individual's state of mind, if they are presented as an engaged person when's living alone with their fiancé, it certainly suggests that they are 18 or older. Because it does not relate to any evidence of her sexual behavior or predisposition, I don't think Rule 412 covers it either.
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+Finally, your Honor, there are two instances -- and your Honor has heard about these obliquely during the course of litigation in this case -- where plaintiff made prior false allegations of sex assault, when she was 14 years old. And in those same committee notes, your Honor, that I just referred you to under Rule 412, is the following statement: "Evidence offered to prove allegedly false prior claims by the victim is not barred by Rule 412." So right there in the committee notes, which the Supreme Court has directed are to be given weight, controlling weight, and authority, prior false claims are not covered by the rule.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 There were two instances, your Honor. One was in 1998, when plaintiff was a runaway from home, using drugs and alcohol, and while she was living with Tony , she went out partying with two boys, and later, after she was in rehab, weeks later, after she was in rehab -- not voluntarily, by the way, her mother took her against her will and put her in rehab -- she made an allegation that that incident involved nonconsensual sexual contact. That was made in about February of 1998. There was a ten-month investigation. The boys were interviewed. And ultimately the DA in that case found that lacked credibility and they had a low likelihood of success at trial and they decided to drop the charges against the boys. And that came after they had interviewed her a number of times.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The second incident, your Honor, is a police report from November of 1997. Again, plaintiff was drinking with her friends, skipped school, according to her mother, she dropped her off, and she went drinking and hanging out with her boyfriend, who was a few years older. I think he was 17 or 18. And she was found by the police, after some complaints by neighbors, drunk in the backyard of a home. And she was on the ground in a simulated sex act with her boyfriend, the person she described as her boyfriend, and later said that she had a consensual sexual relationship with. When she was found, she was extremely intoxicated. And she made two statements that
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 are noteworthy on this topic. When the police came, she said to one of them, "If you don't tell my parents, I will," and she used an expletive, basically saying, I'll engage in sexual contact with you, Mr. Police Officer. That was one statement made in the police reports. Later, when she was in the ambulance, going to the hospital for her intoxication, she made an allegation that she had been subjected to nonconsensual penetration by her friends, or one of the boys there. It's a little unclear. And your Honor, she later was interviewed by the police and recanted that allegation. She said that she had not been subjected to any nonconsensual penetration.
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Your Honor, I understand that these are not pleasant topics, but these are two instances in which plaintiff, prior to ever meeting Ms. Maxwell or Mr. Epstein, made very serious allegations about individuals and either, in the first case, the DA found she lacked credibility or, in the second case, she changed her mind and said it didn't happen, what she had earlier said did happen. Your Honor, she did not disclose any of these to her psychiatrist, who, as I just mentioned, had found that she had preexisting PTSD, and so it is also important to note that in the findings he has made about possible sources of PTSD, it did not include this information. However, I believe that Rule 412 specifically allows for evidence of false prior claims by the victim and so I believe that's what we have here.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 It also is important for a jury to understand, because they might not, that someone who is 14 years old or 15 years old can lie about these things. Not only did she lie about this. Her boyfriend, for example, Mr. Ostrich -- or excuse me -- her fiancé, Mr. Ostrich, said that she had been lying to him at that time. She had been lying about where she was. She told him she was working, and she wasn't; she was with Tony . Tony later became her boyfriend. She broke up with Mr. Ostrich and Tony moved into her apartment. So Tony is someone plaintiff had a consensual sexual relationship with during the same time she claims that she was sexually trafficked. And so these people are percipient witnesses to what plaintiff did or didn't say or places she did or didn't go, but they are also people to whom plaintiff held herself out, in Mr. Ostrich's case, as her fiancé; in Tony case, as her boyfriend. We would ask that the evidence related to the Eppinger materials, Ostrich, and these two police incidents, be admitted at trial.
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+19 20 21 22 THE COURT: As to Ostrich, did I understand correctly that what you want to present there is statements by the plaintiff during the period that this relationship, while she was, according to her, in the employ of Epstein?
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+23 24 25 MS. MENNINGER: Exactly. He is someone who she was living with and engaged to at the time she says she met Maxwell and Epstein and she didn't tell him about being a sex slave, I
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+: Your Honor, this is a classic Rule 412 situation here. Defendant is doing an old routine trying to blame the victim by introducing evidence of other sexual conduct. These tactics are expressly forbidden by Rule 412's rape shield law.
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+Let's take a moment to talk about the committee notes there. Defendant did not issue a statement alleging sexual misconduct here. She was denying allegations of being abused by her, so this is not a situation where someone says, "that woman is a prostitute," and then to prove the truth of that statement, you have to introduce evidence of her being paid for sex. That's not what's going on here. And none of these things that counsel for defendant seeks to introduce makes it more or less probable that defendant was telling the truth when she issued her defamatory statement, which is the claim at issue here.
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+The first thing I would like to address specifically is the Eppinger experience. Plaintiff is not relying on that, nor relying on Kliman's evaluation of that, to claim damages. She's not relying upon that at trial and not presenting that that at trial. The only claim for damages in this case relates to defamation in 2015 perpetrated by defendant. Any marginal, peripheral value, probative value here is highly outweighed by
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+THE COURT: Well, you're presenting Kliman.
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+: We're presenting Kliman but not his opinion with regard to Eppinger. And we're not claiming damages on that.
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+THE COURT: But it's in the report.
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+: He did a full psychiatric report of She's not claiming damages for every single psychiatric event that happened in her life. She's claiming damages for one.
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+THE COURT: Counsel said, and it was my recollection as well, that she did indicate that she had previous PTSD.
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+: Right. For which we're not claiming damages. Plaintiff could have all kinds of problems, but that's not what the case is about.
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+THE COURT: Hold on just a second. You're telling me you're not claiming PTSD?
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+: Not where Eppinger is the source of that. We're claiming damages only related to defendant's defamation.
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+THE COURT: Yes, yes, but you understand their position -- okay. That's one thing, defamation. Yes. But 4 THE COURT: No.
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+6 7 THE COURT: The value as against the prejudice, that's a different argument. I understand that.
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+8 9 10 11 12 : And also, your Honor, the PTSD that arose out of the Eppinger event was something 17 years ago. The psychological damage from defamation is something that arose two years ago. That goes to the weight of the evidence as well.
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+13 THE COURT: Well, yes. All right.
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+15 16 THE COURT: The point about Eppinger -- it's probably in the papers -- what age?
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+17 18 MS. MENNINGER: She said 1999, your Honor, which is also when she said she met Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell. 1999.
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+19 THE COURT: What?
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+20 21 22 : She was 15 years old in the police report. It says she was later identified as and she was in fact 15 years old.
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+With regard to the argument that you heard from defendant's counsel regarding Churcher articles, where this is mentioned, again, the prejudicial effects of admitting this far outweigh any probative value. These are peripheral issues. I wouldn't even categorize them as that. These are so far afield of the case that's being tried that they're not relevant. They're being introduced to make her look like a bad kid.
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+Also, with regard to her romantic relationships as a young teenager with Mr. and Mr. Ostrich, you know, of course would not object to evidence showing her whereabouts, but defendant wrote an entire brief and just presented about her cheating on one of them with the other. That testimony about cheating comes squarely under 412, and any probative value is far outweighed by the prejudicial effect. Again, this is a 2015 defamation claim related to sexual abuse by defendant. The shifting affections of a teenager with her boyfriend and another boyfriend is peripheral at best. It's of no probative value here. It does not prove the truth or falsity of defendant's statement.
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+With regard to the police report, first of all, there is no exception to the hearsay rule that would allow those to be admitted into evidence at this trial. So already I think that's a nonstarter right off the bat. But most importantly is that these are not false allegations of rape. The police reports of course speak for themselves. And if your Honor were
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 to allow questioning about this at trial, could prove that she was raped here at 14. You heard defendant's counsel say that she was intoxicated to the point where she needed treatment. The police report goes a little bit further. It says she could not walk. A person that intoxicated cannot give consent to sex under Florida law or, frankly, any law that I know of, any state law. Excuse me. There are also signs of, you know -- she's also 14 years old, so we have statutory rape implications there. There's evidence in the police report of forcible rape, including internal blood and external abrasions and physical injuries around areas of penetration. So here you have a person lacking the capacity to consent because of extreme intoxication and age and signs of forcible rape, and can -- I think the document speaks for herself that she could prove at trial that this is a true statement that she gave that she did not have sex according to her own volition there.
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+22 23 24 25 The same thing with the second one. You heard defendant say that a DA, a district attorney, found that she was not credible. That's not what the police report says. That is a conjecture by defendant's counsel. She has no idea
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+That circles back to the hearsay problems that are inherent in these two police reports. There are no exceptions under which they come in. Defendant's brief is silent on that.
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+Another thing that defendant's briefs are silent on is the fact that there are no other cases, in all these pages of briefing, where a court has allowed this type of evidence to come in. This is a classic Rule 412 case, trying to dirty up the victim of sexual assault, and it's prohibited by law. And defendant's counsel said, II, this isn't about sexual assault. I heard you question that as well. But the underlying claim here is that defendant defamed when she called her a liar about speaking out about her sexual abuse. So sexual abuse and sexual misconduct is central to this case. I don't think you can take that away.
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+So I think that the Rule 412 absolutely applies in this case, but even if it doesn't, this is a tangent, to say the least, and should be precluded under both Rule 401 and Rule 403 because it's nothing more than just trying to make her look like a bad child in front of the jury and to distract from the issues that actually go to the claim of this case.
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+MS. MENNINGER: Plaintiff brought a lawsuit based on defamation, based on a statement that her claims about being a sexual abuse victim were not true. She took Eppinger materials
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 and gave them to her expert Dr. Kliman, and Dr. Kliman included them in his report. She also included her story about Ron Eppinger in stories that she sold to the media. So your Honor, reflect for one minute. Do you remember an hour ago when plaintiff's counsel handed you a book that had the Sharon Churcher articles in and they argued to you, hey, that Jane Doe 102 is mentioned in that Sharon Churcher article and therefore, Ms. Maxwell's denial about that statement somehow related to the Jane Doe 102? Do you remember that argument? That's the same article that has Ron Eppinger in it. So what plaintiff would like to do, I guess, is, when we start talking about the Sharon Churcher article, they're just going to scratch out the part where plaintiff herself told the story about Ron Eppinger and Ms. Maxwell denied it in a pleading and then they gave that same information to their expert and we'll just ignore that part of his report that relied on it. I don't understand this kind of litigation, your Honor. If you're going to bring a lawsuit, put your reputation at issue -- and by the way, all of this stuff that's available on the internet goes to her reputation, and whether her reputation was damaged by any statement from Ms. Maxwell. You're going to put all that story on the internet, you're going to give it to your expert, and then you don't want us to be able to cross-examine about it and say well, wait a second, you already had PTSD, didn't you, and you're the one who said you already had PTSD when you talked to
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+Your Honor, secondly, saying that the Churcher articles are prejudicial, in a defamation case -- and she's the one that incited that entire media spectacle on herself by getting paid to give those stories -- just belies common sense and the rules of evidence.
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+Your Honor, the police reports -- I think I just heard say that I was inaccurately reciting what they said, so I will just read from the document itself, a certified copy, according to the sheriff of Palm Beach. It says, "I received a letter from assistant state attorney Teresa Bowman concerning the filing disposition on this case. Bowman's letter said that this case is no-filed due to the victim's lack of credibility and no substantial likelihood of success at trial." So I don't believe I have misconstrued the state attorney's letter. I'm reading from the document that is a certified copy.
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+I believe there was mention of hearsay rules, your Honor. Admissions by a party are not hearsay under the rules, your Honor, so all of statements in these police reports are admissions by a party. They are not, your Honor, hearsay by definition.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 that was also in a news article published in February of 2015. The information was apparently obtained by a news reporter and published on the internet. And the title of the article I think was, "Friends describe a sex kitten," and it goes into the fact that was found not credible by the state's attorney's office. So again, your Honor, when plaintiff chooses to sell her story to the internet and then she publicizes her story and she gives it to her expert and she talks about her boyfriends and her fiancé and she talks about her sexual history and she's asking a jury to decide whether her reputation has been damaged, the jury has every right to hear everything else that was on the internet, including Ron Eppinger and sex kitten and police reports at which she was found to lack credibility.
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+THE COURT: Thank you. I look forward to seeing you tomorrow morning.
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+ALL COUNSEL: Thank you, your Honor.
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+MR. INDYKE: Your Honor? Your Honor, may I please approach. My name is Darren Indyke. I'm an attorney admitted in New York and the general business attorney for Mr. Epstein. I'm sorry I'm late and I'm sorry I came after you had gone through that beginning decision about the issue, but I only found out this morning -- and ran here from New Jersey -- that this case was going to be heard today. The lawyers had filed the motion to quash, Weinberg and Jack Goldberger. Jack Goldberger is a Florida lawyer. He's in Palm Beach right now. is in Boston. , I think he sent an email to And what he told me before I came here -- and turned off my cellphone so I haven't had further discussions with him was that he had a medical appointment tomorrow but if he absolutely had to, he could find a way to cancel it, but he was not really comfortable with doing a hearing without having any kind of prior notice of it and would prefer if we could do it at the first opportunity in April.
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+4 MR. INDYKE: As a general basis. I'm not a litigator. i don't really do this sort of thing. And I apologize if I'm stumbling. I just don't do this --
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+5 6 THE COURT: It just shows that you're a very smart lawyer not to be a litigator.
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+7 MR. INDYKE: Thank you.
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+8 9 THE COURT: On Epstein's behalf, you're asking that the motion to quash be adjourned a week, is that correct?
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+10 MR. INDYKE: Yes, your Honor.
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+11 THE COURT: Well, what do you all say?
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+12 MR. PAGLIUCA: We don't object, your Honor.
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+13 MR. : Sure, no objection, your Honor.
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+16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. : Your Honor, I'm sorry. Do you have ten seconds for me to answer a question that you asked me earlier and I wasn't able to answer? It only relates to whether or not I'm making a leap that Ghislaine Maxwell knew of the sex offender registration and the plea agreement. Both the fact that Jeffrey Epstein was a registered sex offender and the plea agreement, the fact that he pled and what he pled to and the number of charges are in the Churcher articles in 2011 to which she responded. And that's all I wanted to add to that point, that it was less of a leap. Thank you, your Honor. (Adjourned)
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+THE COURT: Do I understand you represent Epstein?
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+## IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+USA / Plaintiff(s)
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+v. Case No.: 15 Cv 7433
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+Ghislaine Maxwell
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+Defendant(s)
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+## NOTICE OF FILING OF OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT
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+proceeding type date proceeding held Notice is hereby given that an official transcript of a held on has been filed by the court reporter/transcriber in the above-captioned matter.
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+Redaction responsibilities apply to the attorneys of record or pro se parties, even if the person requesting the transcript is a judge or a member of the public or media.
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+The parties have seven (7) calendar days from the date of filing of this NOTICE to file with the court any NOTICE OF INTENT TO REQUEST REDACTION of this transcript. A copy of said NOTICE must also be served on the court reporter. If no such NOTICE is filed, the transcript may be made remotely electronically available to the public without redaction after ninety (90) calendar days.
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+This process may only be used to redact the following personal data identifiers: Social Security numbers; dates of birth; minors' names; and financial account numbers. See Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 5.2, and Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 49.1. Parties wishing to request redaction of other information may proceed by motion.
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+I (we) certify that the foregoing is a correct transcript from the record of proceedings in the aboveentitled matter.
+
+/s Khristine Sellin
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+Court Reporter/Transcriber Date
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+v. 15 Civ. 7433 (RWS)
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+GHISLAINE MAXWELL,
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+Defendant. Oral Argument
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+Before:
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+New York, N.Y. March 30, 2017 12:08 p.m.
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+HON. ROBERT W. SWEET, District Judge
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+## APPEARANCES
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+BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP Attorneys for Plaintiff BY: SIGRID S. McCAWLEY, ESQ. MEREDITH L. , ESQ.
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+S.J. QUINNEY COLLEGE OF LAW AT THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH For Plaintiff BY: PAUL G. CASSELL, ESQ.
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+BY: , JAFFE, WEISSING, Attorneys for Plaintiff J. , ESQ. , FISTOS, LEHRMAN, P.L.
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+HADDON, AND P.C. Attorneys for Defendant BY: JEFFREY S. PAGLIUCA, ESQ. LAURA A. MENNINGER, ESQ.
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+(Case called)
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+THE COURT: We have a problem, folks. By my count - and of course one can count differently depending on how you treat these matters, but one count I have is that we have 45 motions before me. That may not be entirely accurate, but it's not too far off.
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+Here's my suggestion. Well, first of all, I think, though you have shown absolutely no mercy to me, I am prepared to show a little mercy to you. Translated, if you want to, we can schedule this so you can have lunch. On the other hand, if you don't want lunch, that's okay. I can endure.
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+By the way, the Epstein motion will go over to tomorrow because we were told, if I understand it correctly, that they didn't know it was on for today. How that ignorance exists, I don't know, but anyhow, we'll put that over to tomorrow.
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+So what I would suggest is that today -- and today ends, for our joint effort, at 3:30 -- the defendant's motion with respect to the supplemental reports of Jansen and Kliman; the 302 motion; and there are three that seem to me to go together -- the references to the Florida action, the CVRA action; the Epstein plea agreement and nonprosecution, and registration; and the victim notification letter. Seems to me all those present same of the same basic problems, and I'll
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 So that's my thought. We could go say until 1:30 and then break for lunch, resume at 2:30 and go another hour, or go straight through. Why don't you all confer, see what you want to do. And the remainder, we can do tomorrow. We'll start at 10:00. Do you all want to confer for a moment and see what you want to do?
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+10 11 12 13 14 MS. McCAWLEY: Well, your Honor, on our part, we want to spend as much time getting through this today as we can, so we would prefer not to take a lunch break because there are so many things we need to get through, we'd want to try to utilize as much of your time as we can.
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+15 16 THE COURT: Okay. No lunch. Go. Defendant's motion with respect to the supplemental reports.
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+17 18 19 20 MS. McCAWLEY: Your Honor, could I just have one point of clarification. I'm sorry. With respect to plaintiff's omnibus motion, we were planning to argue that today. That has several subparts.
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+21 22 THE COURT: Well, why don't we leave that for tomorrow.
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+23 24 25 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I would like to leave it for tomorrow. There was a 60-page reply that was served on Monday night and so if we could just have until tomorrow on
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+hear those together. And then the defendant's motion with respect to sexual history and the motion on Maxwell's involvement with Epstein's activities.
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+4 5 THE COURT: Does that surprise you? Doesn't surprise me.
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+6 MS. MENNINGER: No. It doesn't.
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+7 THE COURT: Well, okay.
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+8 9 MS. MENNINGER: But if we could do it tomorrow, I'd appreciate it.
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+10 THE COURT: Well, I was planning to, wasn't I? Yes.
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+11 MS. MENNINGER: I agree with your Honor.
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+12 THE COURT: Yes. Okay.
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+13 MR. PAGLIUCA: Good afternoon again, your Honor.
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+14 THE COURT: Good afternoon.
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+15 Yes.
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+16 17 18 19 MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, with regard to the motion on the late-disclosed supplemental report of Jansen and the video exhibit of Dr. Kliman, first, I'd like to start with Kliman, if I could.
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 Dr. Kliman is a summary witness who has no firsthand knowledge about the facts associated with this case. He's been proffered as an expert in psychiatry. And the majority of his opinions don't really relate to psychiatry; they relate to credibility issues of the plaintiff in this case. Replete through the opinion, original opinion that he offered, are a
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+that, I would appreciate it.
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+There was a 60-page reply filed on that motion on Monday night.
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+4 i've read the papers on the Daubert aspect and I have some familiarity with the report, but let's get to the supplemental.
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+5 6 7 8 MR. PAGLIUCA: I will, your Honor. And I start there because that is a primary problem with the -- it's not a supplemental report. I mean, what happened was, in terms of the backdrop here --
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+9 10 11 THE COURT: Let me see if I can shorthand this. What you're complaining about is not the video of summary. but the
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+12 13 MR. PAGLIUCA: I'm complaining about both, your Honor. And let me explain why.
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+14 15 16 17 18 THE COURT: Okay. Forget about the summary for a moment. You didn't get the video at the time the report was filed. You got the report, I think it was September, whenever it was. You didn't get the video, but you did get it before the deposition.
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+19 20 21 22 23 24 MR. PAGLIUCA: Here's the distinction I need the Court to understand. What we got after the report was filed was approximately four hours of video conducted over a two-day time frame. So there's a large portion of video conducted over a two-day time frame. When I arrived at Dr. Kliman's office on November 17th, I believe it was --
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+25 THE COURT: Well, you were in San Francisco, so what's
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+number of what I deem to be improper vouching.
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+THE COURT: Let's get to the supplemental reports.
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+4 MR. PAGLIUCA: I love San Francisco, if I could actually spend some time there, but going from an airport to a hotel and Dr. Kliman's office was not my idea of a good time.
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+5 6 7 So we get there, and I get a 15-megabyte flash drive, which has a lot of things on it, including something I've never seen before.
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+8 9 THE COURT: By the way, so was that as a result of a request of yours?
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+10 MR. PAGLIUCA: Yes.
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+11 THE COURT: II.
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 MR. PAGLIUCA: Yes. We had requested, and in fact issued a subpoena, for all of Dr. Kliman's materials, and, you know, I don't mind things coming in a little bit late in these regards because I can prepare for the deposition. But the problem, your Honor, is, the morning of the deposition, I get this --
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+18 THE COURT: No. I know.
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+19 MR. PAGLIUCA: Okay. And it is not simply a --
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+20 21 THE COURT: I understand. You got it right just before.
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+22 23 24 25 MR. PAGLIUCA: But your Honor, this is not clear in the papers, and indulge me, please, for one moment. The video that I get when I get there is a professionally edited video, and it takes different segments of what I was previously
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+wrong with that?
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+provided and it compiles it in, you know, almost a documentary fashion, if you will. And so we have the plaintiff, in different clips, from different days, and different times, saying things --
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+THE COURT: Of course the other problem is, so that's in September. When was this, late September?
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: No. November 17th
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: So the reports are due in September, we get this in --
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+THE COURT: It would have been nice to have this issue raised then, not now.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, your Honor, I said to them at the time, you know, I don't believe this is admissible and I don't need to do anything about it. So it's not my -- they're the ones who are not in compliance with the rule, not me. And so if you want to do something about it, I think you need to be prophylactic.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Yes, your Honor. Embedded in this edited footage are nine separate statements, advocacy statements by Kliman, . Maxwell a perpetrator, someone he's never met before, but he feels free to call her a perpetrator in the middle of this videotape. He feels free to opine, you know, in these editorial comments of
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 And finally, your Honor, on this Kliman issue, it seems to me that all of this is -- well, let me back up. Here are the reasons why it's prejudicial, and I don't think we can just say, this is a videotape, so what? I never had the opportunity, because the deadlines expired for experts, to give the edited version to any other expert to analyze the footage, to compare it to the original footage, to see how it was filmed; never had the opportunity to give it to any psychological expert to examine those particular clips and how they were put together.
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+14 15 THE COURT: Of course, we could have extended the deadlines if you had wanted.
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+16 17 18 MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, again, I'm not the person who didn't comply with the rule. It's not on me to do that, in my view.
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+19 THE COURT: Okay.
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+20 MR. PAGLIUCA: So that's Kliman, your Honor.
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+22 23 24 25 MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, and by the way, it's also cumulative testimony. I don't believe that it would be appropriate for the plaintiffs to testify, then have Kliman testify, and then during Kliman's testimony there's this staged
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+THE COURT: That's a whole different issue. Right?
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Yes. I agree.
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+presentation in front of Kliman that he gets to then comment on. And so really what we're doing is we're trying to clean up the in-court testimony by psychologist that he then jury during the middle of an out-of-court statement to this gets to stop and opine on for the all of this. That seems to be cumulative. It's also prejudicial, and it also denies my ability to confront and cross-examine a witness who is appearing for the camera and acting. So that's Kliman.
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+Jansen, your Honor, is a true new report. Dr. Jansen issued his report. We then issue a rebuttal report to Dr. Jansen in which our expert points out that Dr. Jansen didn't record any of the data that he purportedly relies on. So right after we issue our rebuttal report, we get new data from Dr. Jansen, and it's curious because the report by Jansen is written on September 9th but the data that we then get, in response to our subpoena, is November 2nd. That's fine. I go take his deposition, and during his deposition I'm asking him questions about, well, you know, how do you come up with this number? And he can't give me an answer, because he doesn't have any of the material that he purportedly relied on to issue the opinion. So I'm feeling pretty good about all this when we leave because I have a guy who issues a report that doesn't have any underlying data to support it and can't explain to me what these different numbers are and where they came from. You know, two weeks later, I get in the mail, or
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 email, a supplemental report that is materially different than the report that I deposed this person on. And, you know, materially how? I mean, they want to say, II, no, he's just doing ongoing work here. Well, the alleged number of articles has more than doubled in his review. The alleged unique users, which is his phrase for somebody who went on a website somewhere, is more than 10 million more, and the other number, which is the number of publications, has also more than doubled. So, you know, that is patently unfair, your Honor, to have somebody go redo their report after they've been cross-examined and come up with different opinions that I've never been able to depose anyone on. That's the problem. They should live with their opinion if it is admissible at all.
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+16 17 18 19 20 I'll address the Dr. Kliman report first. And what defendant's briefing and what oral argument didn't make clear is that in advance of the deposition, Dr. Kliman provided defense counsel the entire videotaped interview with III . They had all the footage already.
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+21 22 THE COURT: Wait. In fairness, in advance of the deposition by ten minutes.
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+23 24 25 : Sorry, your Honor. No. I think that's a misunderstanding. What they received "ten minutes before" were clips of the video. The entire video was produced well in
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+THE COURT: So you say that the production of the entire video was timely.
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+: Yes, your Honor. And I would also say that the supplement was timely too. What was on that flash drive, 98 percent of that had already been produced before because they had the full-length video. It did include clips that Dr. Kliman made with subtitles. And then also it had some new billing statements that were more updated that were produced in accordance to Rule 26's requirements to supplement reports. So they had the long-form video ahead of the deposition. The clips of the videos that they already had is what they're complaining about here, and I don't think the briefing makes that clear.
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+With regard to Dr. Jansen, I think there are also some misunderstandings there. The bottom line is that it is very reasonable to get the results that he did in his supplement. And it's based on how search engines index web content. So in the briefing, it says, II, the supplemental report has articles from before the first report and so it's illegitimate. That's not a correct argument. And I think it's easily confused because of how search engines work. Basically documents that
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 are the supplemental report, articles prior to September 9th, you know, if one does two searches on different days on a search engine, it's very reasonable to retrieve results during the second search that were published prior to the first search. It all depends on when the search engine added that content to its search index. So that's how search engines work. It's not going to have every single article on that day. It has to be added to the index. So the methodology employed was exactly the same as was employed in the first report. No expert has stated otherwise. And its methodology is rock solid.
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Counsel for defendant complained about no underlining data, but that's a little -- it's a misstatement. The expert provided what traffic services were used, provided the website domains, the URLs, provided the traffic numbers as well. So the data is there. So employing the exact same methodology to supplement the report, it's no surprise that additional articles are going to come up. For example, search engines will take a major website like the New York Times and crawl that multiple times a day to get new articles. Articles on more obscure websites won't be crawled by the search engine at the same rate. So doing a search on two different days, you are necessarily going to have two different results. And it will even pick up results that predate the first search, because it hasn't been crawled yet by the search engine that
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+4 5 I know this is a little bit hypertechnical, but I think that understanding is important to understand why a supplemental report varies from the original report. If you did one today, you'd probably have even more articles.
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+6 THE COURT: Anything else?
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+7 : That's all I have.
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+8 THE COURT: Okay. Let me ask you, defense
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+9 MR. PAGLIUCA: Yes, your Honor.
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+10 11 12 THE COURT: -- I gather from that, if I understand it, that it's the edited version on the flash drive, or whatever vou call it, that's the one that you want excluded.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. PAGLIUCA: Correct. Your Honor, as I understand it, that is a proposed trial exhibit, although we haven't had an exhibit list yet. That is a specific rule that relates to trial exhibits. And to be clear, your Honor, there were four separate video clips that were late provided that I didn't complain about because I had them in advance of the deposition. Those four video clips total roughly four hours, give or take. From that four hours there was a professionally made exhibit that -- there are different camera angles displayed in this, the plaintiff has makeup on, the plaintiff is dressed in a suit. It is clearly edited to be an advocacy piece, your Honor. And so that is what was given to me the morning of and I didn't have an opportunity to look at it or cross-examine on
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+it or give it to anybody to evaluate. That's the problem.
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+THE COURT: Okay. Do you want to add anything on the --
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+4 MR. PAGLIUCA: On Jansen?
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+5 THE COURT: Jansen?
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+6 7 8 9 10 MR. PAGLIUCA: Yes. I'm not mistaken and there is no misunderstanding here, your Honor. Jansen redid his report to try to take care of the deficiencies in the original report, the deficiencies pointed out in his deposition, and he ended up with substantially different results. That's point number one.
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 17 Point number two is, it is not accurate to say that the additional 170 articles or multiples of sites postdated his deposition because in the reply -- and it's a bit of a confusing chart, I might add, your Honor. We have the dates of these publications which all show that they predate his deposition and his report, or the majority of them. So there's no excuse for it.
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+18 THE COURT: Thank you.
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+19 Next. 302.
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+20 MS. MENNINGER: Good afternoon, your Honor.
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+21 22 23 24 25 As you know, the 302 statement we're talking about here purports to be from an interview with the FBI in 2011 about events supposedly occurring in 1997 through 2002, so some 14 years later, and the report itself was purportedly written two years after the interview, in 2013. It is so heavily
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+4 MS. MENNINGER: It showed up in my discovery.
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+5 THE COURT: You mean the plaintiff had it?
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+6 7 8 MS. MENNINGER: Plaintiff had it, plaintiff provided it to us in discovery, plaintiff has not explained where it came from.
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+9 THE COURT: End of story.
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+10 11 MS. MENNINGER: Right. The author is redacted, your Honor. I don't know who authored the report.
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+12 13 THE COURT: Right. All we know about it is that she had a copy of it.
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+14 15 MS. MENNINGER: Apparently someone did and put it into the discovery. I don't know who had it or where they got it.
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+16 THE COURT: Well, yes. Okay. All right.
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+17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. MENNINGER: So, you know, alluding to that point, your Honor, there are so many redactions, it's unclear who wrote the report, but more importantly, the content of the report is so heavily redacted, we don't know what she's saying. I mean, there are pages where there are just sentence fragments. And so the problem, your Honor, which seems clear to me, is that, to the extent there are statements in there, they are hearsay statements. They are out of court. And so we raised that in our motion in limine, your Honor.
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+redacted, we have no idea who the author of the report is.
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+THE COURT: What's the provenance of this report that we're talking about?
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+In response, the plaintiffs submitted that they're not trying to offer this report for the truth. They're offering it 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 for the fact that their client, they say, reported this information to law enforcement, in 2011. Well, you don't need the report for her to get on the stand and testify that she met with FBI agents in 2011. She can just say that without the report itself coming in. And even if it were to come in, it's unclear why anything in the report is relevant to a disputed fact in our case. We don't know what she reported. We don't see the names of people in there. We can't tell what she said. And because of the redactions, we don't know who she said it to, etc. So we can't talk to that unknown person that's redacted. She apparently must know who she talked to, and she didn't disclose that person, for example, in her Rule 26 disclosures, your Honor, so if she talked to someone about the facts of this case, didn't put them in her Rule 26 disclosures, then, your Honor, she's denied us the ability to get in touch with that person.
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+19 20 21 22 23 24 25 As a backup and completely different argument to "we're not offering it for the truth of the matter," plaintiff's second argument is that they are offering it for the truth of the matter as a public record under 803(8). Your Honor, we already discussed for you why the document lacks trustworthiness. The source of the information is her. It's self-serving, to the extent it is a statement of fact, because
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+4 5 6 I can't tell what it says. It would be self-serving. So your Honor, it essentially puts plaintiff in the position of getting on the stand and trying to say what she said to the FBI agent and denying us the ability, because of the redactions, to cross-examine her about what she actually said because the redactions cover up the content for the most part.
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+7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Your Honor, prior consistent statements, I think our law is clear in the brief that it has to be a specific statement of fact and it has to be predating the motive to lie. This statement came after she had already sold her story to the reporter -- about a month later, I believe. So your Honor, her motive to lie had already arisen at the time it says that this interview was given, and that's all we really know about it. Because the interview with the reporter is actually contained in the FBI statement.
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+16 17 MS. McCAWLEY: Good morning, your Honor. It's Sigrid McCawley on behalf of
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+18 19 20 21 22 Your Honor, this is not some obscure document that the Court would not recognize. I'd like to pass up some copies for your Honor. This is an FBI 302 report. It contains the seal of the FBI at the top of it. It contains the date. Can I approach, please.
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+23 24 25 It's a document that's commonly used when FBI agents are conducting their investigations; in fact, it's required. It indicates that the signer of the document, the recorder of
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 And I'd like to clarify. A statement was made that we nave not indicated who was involved in this FBI 302. We produced email traffic about the meeting and about the FBI agents involved in this meeting in discovery, probably nine months ago, your Honor. This FBI 302 has all of the trustworthiness that goes along with one of these documents. Again, it has the seal and everything that is required. Your Honor, it did come to us as a result of a FOIA request that we sent. It is, your Honor, produced in accordance with how the FBI 302s are typically kept. This is a public record under 803(8)(a), your Honor.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 To be clear, it's actually a case that the defendants cited in their brief, Upstate Shredding, which is a Southern District of New York case, your Honor, that holds that these types of reports do come into evidence under the public record exception. Similarly, the Spanierman case, which is also, your Honor, a Southern District of New York case, similarly holds FBI records like the one that we are seeking to introduce are entered into evidence under this public records exception.
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+21 22 23 24 25 So let's take a look at it. Again, at the top right-hand corner you're going to see the FBI seal, you're going to see the date, and you are going to see a lot of detail about the client's interview during this interview. And as you know, your Honor, this comes into play because the FBI was
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+the document, was the individual who conducted the interview.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 continuing to investigate Epstein. They flew to Australia to interview our client. She gave her witness statement to them along with other evidence that she produced to them, and that's recorded in this. And why is that important? That's important because in this very case, the defendants have claimed that other witnesses who did not report to law enforcement is problematic. So we want to be able to show this jury that yes, our client did report this to law enforcement, she gave a detailed statement to the FBI about what happened to her during her time with the defendant and Epstein, and it does outline those details, as you'll see looking through it. Of course there are redactions, but that doesn't make the document something that shouldn't be shown to the jury. In fact, it needs to be shown to the jury to show that our client did report her allegations to law enforcement law enforcement. So your Honor, it comes a nonhearsay purpose, to authorities, but it also of 803(8)(a), so that it show simply that and cooperated with in for that, which is she did report to comes in under the hearsay exception can come in as a public record.
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 And let's just look at the prongs of that test. A requires that it was an office activity. This is something that the FBI regularly does. It regularly conducts investigations, meetings with individuals and then records them in these 302s. It was a matter done under their legal duty to report. The FBI is required to have these forms, and that is
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+why it was recorded in this manner, your Honor. And it also has no indications of a lack of trustworthiness. Again, it says that the writer of the report, on the final page, was the interviewee. They make III about the dates when the interview was versus the date of recording. That's not unusual either, your Honor. In the course of their work they will record information, interview witnesses, and then make their official recording at the time that it's needed, and that is what happened here, your Honor. So it meets all of the trustworthiness prongs that are necessary for an 803 public record, your Honor, and we believe that it should come in both under that as a hearsay exception and as nonhearsay to show that did report her allegations to law enforcement and cooperated with law enforcement.
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+MS. MENNINGER: What you did not just hear is -- well, we don't have the FOIA request. We just have counsel testifying that they issued a FOIA request and got this document. We don't know who redacted the document. We don't know whether that was plaintiff's counsel or some other person before they got the document. We don't know when they got it. She's sitting here and telling your Honor she wants to introduce it for the fact that it was reported to law enforcement. Your Honor, this was supposedly a 2011 interview talking about events that happened, as I just mentioned, in
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 1997 through 2002, so this is not some contemporaneous report to law enforcement. We're talking about, at a minimum, an 11-year gap between some report to law enforcement. And you don't need the document. Plaintiff can testify that she talked to the FBI agents when she gets on the stand and she can say she did that in March 2011. But the report itself is nothing but hearsay offered for the truth of the matters asserted, your Honor. I find it wholly improbable, the testimony -- and I'll call it testimony -- by plaintiff's counsel that it's "not unusual" for the FBI to delay writing a report for two years. Your Honor, I practice in this area. I can tell you, it is quite unusual, in my experience, to have an FBI report generated two years after an interview. Was it generated from a recording, or was it generated from memory? Was it generated from notes? We have no idea, because you know what, we don't know who it is that wrote the report that plaintiff says she wants to introduce, and she hasn't provided that person's name.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Counsel said that there is no indications of a lack of trustworthiness. In addition to the fact that we don't know its provenance or where it came from, we don't know who wrote it, we don't know when it was written or how, we don't know what it actually says, because your Honor can see with your own two eyes that the vast majority of the content is crossed out. So if they introduce this evidence, we're going to have plaintiff saying, well, what it says beneath that redaction is
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+XYZ, and I'm going to have no way, your Honor, of cross-examining her with regard to what's underneath the redaction because we don't have it.
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+So your Honor, for all those reasons, it does not meet the test for 803(8)(a). They have asserted, without any substance or proof, that this was pursuant to an authorized investigation. They have asserted that it was prepared in due course after two years. There's no proof. We don't know who wrote it. We don't know what was said. I can't really picture a less reliable document, your Honor.
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+THE COURT: Okay. The CVRA action and the plea and prosecution and so on, and the victim notification letter.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, we've broken this up, but when I stop, Ms. Menninger can -- I'll tag her and she can come into the ring.
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+THE COURT: That's fine.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, I'm addressing the CVRA litigation motion, 669. I have to start with first, your Honor, one of my apparently pet peeves in this litigation is the point of all of the pleadings that are being referenced in this particular motion are drafted and filed by the lawyers that are sitting in this room, and it is troubling to me, because when we're arguing about the admissibility of this and what goes to the jury, it seemed inescapable to me that we are then in the position of, whether it's by document or from the
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 witness a jury, arguing drafted by Mr. stand or from the podium, having lawyers offer facts to statements to a jury, that they are going to be then are credible, and so we have this joinder motion, and Mr. Cassell, that they would like to introduce into evidence, whole cloth into evidence, that contains the legal arguments and the statements of lawyers, these lawyers, in a motion in another courtroom, of which they will then be arguing to a jury that's all true. And so I don't see how that's any different than a lawyer testifying in court, and so that's, to me, part of the backdrop to this.
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I also submit, your Honor, that the vast majority - well, frankly, all of these pleadings are not relevant to this action, and I say that because the plaintiffs continue to turn the issue of what's at issue in this case around. They have the burden of proving that what Ms. Maxwell said was false. That's what is at issue. We have to look at Ms. Maxwell's statement issued by Barden and Gow and then go backwards from there. And the burden on the plaintiff is proving falsity of that statement. It is not the situation where -- which is what they're trying to do is to say we have to prove what we said was true, what we the lawyers said was true, and therefore, we get to prove whatever we want to in connection with this litigation. And so it seems to me that we have turned all of this on its head, because instead of saying, the issue is, can the plaintiff meet its burden to prove the statement issued by
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+Gow and Barden on Maxwell's behalf was false, they are now saying, we want to prove whatever we want to prove is true and that needs to be the focus of this litigation.
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+So with that as the context and the backdrop, your Honor, I simply don't understand or see how any of these pleadings are (A) relevant to this case, and (B) I don't see it or understand how they're simply not self-serving lawyer-vouchered statements, and I haven't heard any reason from the plaintiff, either orally or in writing, as to exactly how the introduction of these documents would be relevant to prove that Ms. Maxwell's statement was false.
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+THE COURT: But look, the problem obviously is that this is the document to which the defendant was responding, or at least portions of it.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Can I respond to that, your Honor?
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+THE COURT: Yes.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: I think that that's what they would like everyone to believe, but indeed, what the plaintiff was responding to were communications from the media about a document, these documents, that she had never seen, and so the factual backdrop here is that -- I mean, this doesn't get dropped on Ms. Maxwell's doorstep in December of 2014. She's getting calls from the media about, What do you have to say about this thing that these lawyers filed in this case in Florida? She is I think in England at the time. I don't
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+4 5 6 7 recall, frankly, but I believe she was in England; or her agents certainly are in England who are issuing this release. And so it's not that Ms. Maxwell reads this and then the lawyers issue their statement. So what she's responding to are press reports and calls from the media. I think that's pretty clear by Mr. Barden's declaration in the summary judgment paperwork as well as Mr. Gow's deposition.
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+8 9 10 11 12 The other thing that I have been pondering, your Honor, because this is a large problem for this case, is, assume for a moment, your Honor, what you just said is absolutely true, that she's responding to this pleading. Well --
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+13 14 THE COURT: But she refers to statement, or allegations.
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+15 MR. PAGLIUCA: Right.
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+16 17 THE COURT: And so it's those allegations that she's responding to.
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+18 19 20 MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, the difficulty I have, your Honor, and I think it's going to be a difficulty we're living with here --
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+21 THE COURT: But that's what the statement is. And --
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+22 23 24 25 MR. PAGLIUCA: You asked a question during the summary judgment hearing, and it's a great question: What are the allegations? And I think that's at the heart of dealing with the difficulty in a lot of these issues because as I stand here today, a year plus into this case, I don't know what they were. And --
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+THE COURT: But we do know in this instance. We know exactly what they are.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, but let me push back on this for a second, your Honor, because what we're talking about is not a statement by the plaintiff. If that's what we're talking about. If we're talking about this joinder motion, the Jane Doe 102 joinder motion is a legal pleading filed by these two lawyers. And there are no quotation marks in this thing --
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+THE COURT: Of course. That's what an allegation is.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Yes, but there are no quotation marks in this. There are no direct quotes. There is a lot of legal hyperbole and conjecture throughout the entire pleading. There are statements by counsel contained in the pleading. And so I asked a question rhetorically: What's she responding to? Is she defaming Mr. or Mr. Cassell, or is she defaming the plaintiff? When you parse through this pleading, you could be defaming all of these people, if that's what the allegation is. So I think it's problematic to say this is the pleading that is the allegation, because what happens is, this pleading gets filed --
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+THE COURT: But this is an allegation of hers.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Of who?
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+THE COURT: Of the plaintiff's.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, filed on her behalf by her lawyers.
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+4 5 6 MR. PAGLIUCA: And she is Jane Doe 102 and it is filed by her lawyers, and that's what they are saying on her behalf. That's what I can say about that, your Honor.
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+7 8 THE COURT: I do understand how these documents are prepared.
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+9 MR. PAGLIUCA: I know you do.
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+10 11 THE COURT: This much I got. I've got that. But it's her statement. Come on.
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+12 13 14 15 16 Similarly, Ms. Maxwell's statement is her statement, regardless of how it was prepared. So I know the motive issue and all that. Now whether it should be in some form, but your client does not say, "The allegations with respect to me are false."
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+17 18 MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, I disagree with that, your Honor. I mean, I believe
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+19 THE COURT: They're all false.
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. PAGLIUCA: But I believe a fair reading of that document, the press release by Barden and Gow, is that she's talking about the allegations against her, Maxwell, and she includes Dershowitz, and that's essentially it. I mean, she's not parsing through the 102 pleading and saying, you know, this is wrong and that is wrong. And the fundamental reason for it
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+THE COURT: Come on. It's hers. It's her allegation.
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+is, she's never read the document prior to Barden and Gow issuing the statement, and what she is reacting to are people calling her and saying, you know --
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+THE COURT: Well, whatever she knew. Well, okay. All right.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: That's it.
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+THE COURT: I guess we're as far as we can go on that.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: It is whatever she knew. But what is in the document is way broader, much broader, than her base of knowledge, or Barden's or Gow's, at the time this press release issued. So I think that's point number one.
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+Point number two is, they apparently want to introduce a lot more information from the Jane Doe 102 CVRA litigation than this simple document, and we can address those as we go along. If the Court were to deem portions of this relating to Ms. Maxwell and Mr. Dershowitz relevant to this matter, we had proposed, as part of our pleadings, a redacted version of this, which is also to your point just now, your Honor.
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+And my colleague points me directly to the statement, your Honor -- the first line, second sentence. "The allegations made by," and then it says Victoria , which is inaccurate by the drafter, "against Ghislaine Maxwell are untrue." And then it follows. But that is the backdrop to this. And she's responding to things about herself, not about anybody else that are contained in this pleading.
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+MR. CASSELL: And we have a point of agreement here, your Honor, now. We agree with the last point. The allegations that made against Maxwell are what's at issue in this case, not allegations against, you know, third Maxwell and of course Epstein, those kinds of things, but not other irrelevant players. But I think your Honor was exactly right.
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+THE COURT: Well, so you would have no objection to the introduction of the motion to intervene, the portions that describe Maxwell or talk about Maxwell.
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+MR. CASSELL: And Epstein, of course.
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+MS. MENNINGER: No.
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+MR. CASSELL: And Epstein. Because Maxwell isn't running around recruiting girls just for herself; she's running around recruiting girls for Epstein. So the allegation is against Maxwell and Epstein. The allegation that made was that Maxwell was recruiting girls to give to her boyfriend Epstein, so the allegations against Maxwell
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+THE COURT: So you would not object to the redaction of everything else in that motion.
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+MR. CASSELL: The principle is correct. The devil, of course, is in the details, because when you look at what they've redacted, here's one of the things they want to redact. Maxwell -- they want to redact this: "was a primary co-conspirator in Epstein's sexual abuse and sex trafficking
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+scheme." They want to redact, She recruited in a manner - this is what they want to redact, "in a fashion very similar to the manner in which Epstein and his co-conspirators coerced dozens of other children." So they want to redact everything that provides the context for what the allegations are.
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+wasn't saying, hey, on one Tuesday I happened to bump into Maxwell and something happened. She was alleging a broader pattern of activity, that she was recruited into, as your Honor well knows, sex trafficking by Maxwell and Epstein. And so what I think --
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+THE COURT: Well, her allegation is that Maxwell was a co-conspirator.
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+MR. CASSELL: Correct.
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+THE COURT: We're not talking about --
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+MR. CASSELL: Yes, we are talking --
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+THE COURT: In our case, in our case, there's no crime charged. I mean, I understand the underlying --
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+MR. CASSELL: Sure.
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+THE COURT: -- facts. So it would be anything, in the motion to intervene, that dealt with obviously Maxwell directly or a co-conspirator.
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+MR. CASSELL: That's right. And the main co-conspirator here would be Epstein, of course. These girls were not being recruited, you know, just for Maxwell's personal consumption but for, obviously, Epstein, to satisfy Epstein's
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+sexual desires. When you look at what they're trying to redact, I think they're trying to make a mismatch out of the original allegations so it will be difficult for us to explain to the jury, well, why was this woman running around recruiting young girls if we can't mention, well, she was recruiting the young girls to take the sexual pressure off her and to satisfy the sexual desires of Mr. Epstein. That's why there was this vast --
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+THE COURT: Anything else you want to tell me?
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+MR. CASSELL: Yes, your Honor. I mean, it's critical to use the context here. As your Honor is pointing out -- and I think you're even getting pushback from them on this basic point. This is the core of the case. These were the original allegations that made, and they say this wasn't what she was responding to. If you look at, for example, their pleading on June 6 of last year, there was only one public statement that existed on January 2 nd to which Ms. Maxwell was responding. The document is the joinder motion filed in the Crime Victims' Rights Act case on behalf of plaintiff. That's what they said. That's what we said. We want to show to the jury the one document that set off this whole defamatory backlash, and what they want to do then is to redact it and essentially take out things like references to Maxwell being a co-conspirator, which means we won't be able to explain to the jury the appropriate context here.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 Also, the other point that's I think important to remember is we're going to be seeking not just compensatory damages but punitive damages, and when we get to that point, which will be part of the initial phase -- I know the financial issues may be different, but we're going to be arguing our punitive damages case in the initial portion of the trial -- we have to prove that she acted with actual malice. Her state of mind is obviously a critical issue. And so the jury's going to be wondering, well, why would she do this? One of the points that we need to make is, why was trying to get into this case in Florida? It was a Crime Victims' Rights Act case. It was designed to rip up a plea agreement, a nonprosecution agreement. And that agreement said all of Epstein's co-conspirators get a free pass from criminal prosecution in Florida. Which directly goes to Ms. Maxwell's motivation for all this.
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+17 THE COURT: How do we know that?
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+18 19 MR. CASSELL: Well, because we're going to be arguing that. We have --
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+20 21 THE COURT: No. Arguing. How do we know that the nonprosecution agreement gave immunity to Ms. Maxwell?
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+22 23 24 25 MR. CASSELL: Because it says it extends immunity to any of the "potential co-conspirators of Epstein." And we will introduce ample evidence at trial from which a reasonable jury could conclude that one of the potential co-conspirators of
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+Epstein was Maxwell. likely co-conspirator girl. His right-hand In fact, she was the number two, the most that benefited from that; his right-hand woman. I'm sorry. Ms. Maxwell. And so who got the benefit of that immunity provision? We're going to present to the jury it's Maxwell who got the benefit of the immunity provision. So why was it that she came out all guns blazing when filed a motion to join, to rip up the nonprosecution agreement? Because she had a horse in that race. She was trying to protect immunity for herself.
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+And so again, we bear the burden acted with actual malice, that is, from a of proving that she vindictive motive rather than for benign reasons. And of course trying to keep yourself immune from crimes you've committed is a classic example of acting with actual malice. And that again is just one of the arguments, and we're going to be able to connect all those links in the chain through cross-examining Maxwell, through cross-examining Epstein, and by also introducing ample documents, presenting evidence of her direct involvement in criminal offenses. And I realize crimes haven't been charged, but we're going to show that there are going to be ample crimes that could have been charged, which is why she needed the immunity that was extended by the nonprosecution agreement. And which is why she attacked , in an effort to try to make her allegations seem noncredible.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 sort of just saying, well, we're not really sure whether she's a victim or not. That's going to have to be proven to the jury. Fair point. We have no objection saying, look, these documents are coming in because they show the initial allegations that made. It's up to the plaintiffs to introduce evidence and to prove that's all true. We're going to shoulder that burden at trial. But what this motion seems to be designed to do, in our point of view, is to take out things like the allegation that was a co-conspirator of Epstein. They don't want the jury to hear that, and of course that is a pivotal part of our case.
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+12 13 MR. PAGLIUCA: They used the term "actual malice." I use the term "actual nonsense," your Honor.
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+14 15 16 17 18 You know, I first have to say, unless we're going to close the courtroom or I get to respond in kind, half of what this argument is is in violation of the protective order right here. And it's lawyer argument. And there are no facts to back it up.
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+19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Let's talk about the nonprosecution agreement. It is absolutely factual, Ms. Maxwell was never, not once, ever, contacted by the Palm Beach Police in reference to this investigation. She was never, not once, contacted by the FBI or the U.S. Attorney's Office in reference to this investigation. She testified in her deposition that she didn't hire a lawyer because she wasn't at risk in any of this. She
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+4 5 6 7 8 didn't even know about any of this, your Honor. That's the evidence in this case. There is zero evidence that will be produced at trial to put Ms. Maxwell in any of this, in any of the investigation. The lead detective, Recarey, never spoke to her, never tried to call her. And when I asked him questions about, you know, what did you know about Ms. Maxwell when you were doing this investigation, his answer was, "Nothing." So that's the backdrop to this.
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 There are in fact certain individuals named directly as co-conspirators of Epstein's in the nonprosecution agreement. Maxwell is not one of them. She had absolutely no hand in crafting that agreement; none whatsoever. She never talked to anybody; she never had a lawyer talk to anybody on her behalf. So to start with the proposition that she then has to eat this nonprosecution agreement in this case is absolute nonsense. You want to take the backdrop to this in terms of what the investigation was, there were a number of individuals that were presented to the Florida State grand jury as a result of the state investigation. Maxwell was not one of them. Not at all. Never on anybody's radar about any of this. She didn't need to participate in this and she didn't know anything about it. That makes this nonprosecution agreement wholly irrelevant as it relates to Ms. Maxwell.
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+There is no evidence -- and in fact direct testimony is contrary to this -- that Ms. Maxwell knew about a nonprosecution agreement, knew about Epstein's plea agreement, knew about any of these things. So the idea that somehow this goes to actual malice is, again, actual nonsense. Because in order for it to be malice, in some fashion you have to know about it. And they have no evidence, they can present no evidence that she knew about any of these things. There will be no witness who gets on the witness stand who says Maxwell knew about the nonprosecution agreement, Maxwell knew about Epstein's immunity, Maxwell knew about Epstein's deal. Not one. So the notion that they can then say, II, you know, this has something to do with her motive, well, all of the case law, all of the case law on this issue, on introducing these kinds of things to prove knowledge, requires that the person you're introducing against actually knew about it. There is not one case that they can cite, and they haven't cited, that says, I'm going to introduce it for notice or knowledge. Well, you have to know about it. The person has to know about it for it to be introduced as notice or knowledge.
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+Again, I have to go back to the statement, your Honor. What they're trying to do is very selectively say, we like this evidence so, II, yeah, that's something that is part of what
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 we're going after; we don't like this evidence so of course that's not what was at issue here. The statement doesn't say Epstein in this statement. Not one mention of Epstein in this statement. And I vigorously dispute the notion that because lawyers put in a pleading, called someone a co-conspirator, these two lawyers put in their pleading identifying somebody as a co-conspirator when there's no evidence of that, that they then, these two same lawyers, get to come into a courtroom and give that to a jury and say, see, that was in this pleading here. Well, there's no evidence of that. And they're not going to produce any evidence of that.
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 And, by the way, your Honor, what we have to talk about here are factual assertions, in a defamation case. We're not talking about opinions. And what is the determination of whether someone is a co-conspirator or not, your Honor? First of all, it's a legal decision that certainly a layperson is not qualified to make. You have conducted 801(d)(2)(E) hearings for, you know, as long as I've been alive, I think, and you're the one who's making those determinations after the consideration of evidence. So to say that somebody can say someone is a co-conspirator and then you issue a press release that doesn't say, "I deny being a co-conspirator," that doesn't talk about that document at all other than to say Jane Doe 3 is , to then say we get to introduce a bunch of evidence because we said she was a co-conspirator against her
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+stands this case right on its head. That is not a factual 4 5 6 7 assertion by that my client is a co-conspirator; that's opinion. And what we are concerned about here, I think as you pointed out in the very beginning of this case, is that we're not dealing with opinions, we're dealing with facts and factual assertions, which are at the heart of the defamation claim, not lawyer opinions in a pleading.
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+9 MR. CASSELL: May I just briefly respond, your Honor?
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+10 11 MR. PAGLIUCA: You know, this is my motion, and I don't think he gets that.
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+12 THE COURT: Yes.
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+13 MR. CASSELL: All right. Thank you, your Honor.
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+14 15 16 THE COURT: I take it that that concludes everything anybody wants to say about the Epstein plea and his registration.
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+17 18 19 20 MR. : No, your Honor. I was going to address that separately. I don't know if there's an additional argument from counsel. It was their motion, so if it is, then --
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+21 THE COURT: Yes. Okay.
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+22 23 MR. : And by the way, this is Brad on behalf of , but I believe it's their up.
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+24 25 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, a couple more points. They are related to what was just articulated for your Honor.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 With respect to the plea agreement, what we're talking about here is Mr. Epstein entered a plea agreement with the state of Florida, the district attorney's office. Again, as my co-counsel just articulated, there's no evidence that Ms. Maxwell had any participation in, knowledge of, etc., with regard to that plea agreement. The same is true with respect to the nonprosecution agreement, which was the federal side. And then finally, he also moved to exclude any references to Mr. Epstein's sex offender registration. All of these are out-of-court statements. These documents are out-of-court statements that they would like to introduce, they say in their papers, for the "effect on the hearer," which, again, your Honor, requires that the hearer actually have heard of them or have seen them, and they have no evidence whatsoever that Ms. Maxwell ever had possession of those documents. In fact, when they asked her about this at deposition, she said that she had not actually ever seen those documents.
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+4 notion that this somehow goes to Ms. Maxwell's state of mind. And that reflects right back, your Honor, on counsel's argument that we just had, which is, you can't have an effect on a state of mind if you've never actually seen the document.
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+5 6 7 I had a couple more comments on the notification, the victim notification letter, your Honor. While I'm here, I'll just add those to it.
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, the victim notification letter, if you will, as it's been called in this litigation, was purportedly sent to plaintiff in 2008, which is three years before that FBI interview we were just talking about a minute ago, in 2011. So at the time this so-called victim notification letter says it was sent, plaintiff had never even spoken to law enforcement. So it is entirely unclear on what basis anybody reached a legal conclusion that plaintiff was the victim of a federal crime. Even looking at the document itself, your Honor, the document doesn't say on what grounds anyone determined her to have been a victim. It doesn't say who decided that. It doesn't say what evidence they looked at. Doesn't say when they reached that conclusion. And more importantly, it says she was identified as a victim of crimes by Mr. Epstein. You can scour that document in vain trying to find any reference to Ms. Maxwell. It's not in there.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 was supposedly sent to plaintiff, the US attorney at the time, Mr. Acosta, also sent a letter saying that he believed it was preferable to have engaged in that kind of plea bargaining with Mr. Epstein because they had a risk of not winning at trial. In other words, your Honor, he didn't believe he had sufficient evidence for a conviction against Mr. Epstein, thereby undermining anybody's suggestion that that victim notification letter actually was any type of adjudication or determination that was in fact a victim. There is no grounds within the letter or outside the circumstances of the letter to explain who reached a conclusion, why or when. It is, your Honor, inadmissible hearsay. It does not meet the trustworthiness requirement for an 803(8) public record. Even if, for example, a person could come in and authenticate the record and explain its provenance, no such witness has been identified by plaintiff to do that. And I submit, your Honor, they cannot.
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+18 19 20 21 22 THE COURT: The problem that I see is that, I understand the argument about the truth of the notification, whether or not she's a victim. I get that. But it is an explanation of her standing or her view of her standing in the CVRA litigation.
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+23 24 25 MS. MENNINGER: Well, your Honor, that's an interesting point. The letter does itself talk about, there's been a challenge to the way in which victims have been
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 notified, and if you want any more information about that, here's a lawyer you can get in touch with. So supposedly she got this letter in 2008, right? When, your Honor -- pop quiz here -- did she file a joinder motion trying to join that CVRA litigation? December 30, 2014. So we have in excess of a six-year gap between being notified that there is some kind of CVRA litigation and her effort to join that litigation. And in the interim, your Honor, she had counsel. Not these two counsel. She did get them in 2011. But in 2009 she had her own lawyer, who is identified in that letter. And so what we have is a letter, we don't know the provenance of it, but it does give her some notice about her rights in the CVRA litigation, telling her who to contact. She doesn't do that for six years.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I think, your Honor, we are looking at having an entire -- I don't even want to call it a sideshow, just an entire CVRA litigation in this courtroom, because if that letter comes in, then we are necessarily going to have to explain a whole lot of law, a whole lot of facts to this jury that are not pertinent to the statement issued by Ms. Maxwell's counsel and press agent. We are going to have jury instructions about what the Crime Victims' Rights Act means, we're going to have Judge Marra's order explaining why did someone wait six years and put in all these allegations about nonparties like Ms. Maxwell, Mr. Dershowitz, and striking them.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 And I mean striking them. You can't go on Pacer right now and get that joinder motion because he struck them. So we're talking about then taking all of that information, that legal discussion and factual discussion -- there's other Jane Does, we're talking about 404(b) there, some other things we'd move to redact, there was a Jane Doe 4 who also wasn't allowed to join who has completely different allegations. We're talking about things that are in those documents and law and rulings that are frankly, you know -- Ms. Maxwell certainly wasn't a part of the CVRA litigation so we haven't had an opportunity to even get all this information. We've had to subpoena these counsel for information, and they've moved to quash all of those subpoenas, your Honor. Even when we're asking, what is it that you even have from that litigation that relates to our litigation? They don't even want to provide that. But they want to come in here and bring in letters and plea agreements and all this other stuff that they've been litigating against Epstein but Ms. Maxwell has had no part of because she was not one of the people accused, by anybody else, except this plaintiff.
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+21 22 THE COURT: The difficulty, obviously, is the -- and we're back to where we were some moments ago, of allegations.
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+23 24 25 MS. MENNINGER: It's not really that difficult because we've had depositions of people like Ms. Maxwell. We've had depositions of Mr. Gow. You know, they've had an opportunity
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 to develop this factual record. And guess what? No facts have supported that anybody gave a copy of that CVRA joinder motion to Ms. Maxwell. They didn't send it to her. They sent it to the press. They called the press and told the press, cover this motion. But they didn't send it to Ms. Maxwell. So they don't have any evidence that she actually had the document. What they have evidence of, Mr. Gow testified to, is she was getting calls and he was getting calls from the press asking for a response and, frankly, suggesting that there was a new person out there who was making allegations against Ms. Maxwell, when it turned out no other person has made allegations against Ms. Maxwell, only plaintiff has done that. And so the very first line of the statement, your Honor, is, this is not a new person, this is the same person from 2011 that I already issued a statement about, and it talks directly about, the allegations against Ghislaine Maxwell are untrue. It doesn't say the allegations against Jeffrey Epstein are untrue. It doesn't say the allegation about being a co-conspirator, that part's untrue. It just talks about the allegations against Ms. Maxwell.
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+21 22 23 THE COURT: But correct me if I'm wrong. There were no allegations prior to this time of misbehavior by Ms. Maxwell.
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+24 25 MS. MENNINGER: That's untrue, your Honor. Plaintiff sold her story to Sharon Churcher. When she sold her story to Sharon Churcher, she made some allegations against Ms. Maxwell then.
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+THE COURT: So there were statements in the initial story about Ms. Maxwell.
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+MS. MENNINGER: They were different. I mean, that was part of this point is that over time the statements from 2011 were more minimal, and then by 2014, they had grown. That's one of the points that was actually made in the --
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+THE COURT: What were they?
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+MS. MENNINGER: At first she says she was the one, that Ms. Maxwell was the one who introduced her to Epstein but it was a different woman who led her upstairs to engage in sexual contact with Mr. Epstein and that that other person is the one who actually showed her and trained her how to be a masseuse. That's what she said in the Sharon Churcher published articles.
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+MR. : Your Honor, Brad on behalf of I prepared notebooks for a separate hearing, but this hearing has evolved into a need for these notebooks, so may I approach, your Honor? I believe it will help all of us to focus on the issues.
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+And your Honor, I took the liberty to highlight portions of it, and if by any means somebody believes, in reading more of what is in this notebook, that other portions may be helpful, then that's okay. But just to kind of focus what this case is about. And for me, the parameters of this case are defined by the statements and by the law governing defamation. And if we start with, under Tab 1, Ms. Maxwell's statement, line 1 is, "The allegations made against Ms. Maxwell are untrue." So we are in agreement -- it's the allegations made against Ms. Maxwell. Sentence two: "The original allegations are not new and have been fully responded to and shown to be untrue." So we have to first find the allegations against Ms. Maxwell that she's responded to, and then for the second sentence, what were the original allegations, and that she fully responded to and shown to be untrue, and that's where
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 we go to -- Tab 2 is the CVRA motion, and within that motion there are allegations about Ms. Maxwell. There are also allegations about others. We agree; the allegations that are exclusively about others and are not related to Ms. Maxwell or do not provide context for the allegations against Ms. Maxwell are not relevant to this action. We go to the second sentence of Ms. Maxwell's statement, which refers to the original allegation, and we find the original allegations -- your Honor just asked the question, were there previous allegations, and there were. And under Tab 3, Jane Doe 102 v. Epstein, which has been referred to today in this hearing, that was an action that was filed by in 2009. Those were the first allegations about Ms. Maxwell. And again, they're --
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+THE COURT: But there's no evidence, or is there, of Maxwell's knowledge of that case or those allegations.
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+MR. : There is, and I will explain. Beginning in paragraph 17 of the Jane Doe 102 complaint through paragraph 19, there are -- yeah, 17 through 19 -- there are allegations about Ms. Maxwell.
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+In 2011, which is Tab 4 and 5, two articles come out. If we start with Tab 4, that is one of the articles that was being referred to by Ms. Maxwell, and the first line, the title of the article is, "Prince Andrew and the 17-year-old girl his sex offender friend flew to Britain." The next line down says, reveals she is Jane Doe 102 in the Epstein
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 And there are more allegations within these articles paraphrasing what was in Jane Doe 102 as well as elaborating upon them through an interview that had, and it results in a second article, a few days later, issued March 7, 2011, that is entitled, "Epstein's Girl Friday fixer," and the article is about Ms. Maxwell. And after that article, a few days later, Ms. Maxwell issues a statement saying, "The allegations against me are abhorrent and entirely untrue," which she adopts in the first statement.
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+13 14 15 16 THE COURT: Yes, I understand that obviously she was responding to this Churcher article, but there's nothing to me that indicates that she was responding to the Epstein complaint.
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+17 18 19 20 MR. : Well, she's responding to what she says are the original allegations. The original allegations were in Jane Doe 102 that's referred to in the Churcher articles. So for certain, by 2011, she's looking at Jane Doe 102 to learn
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+21 THE COURT: Well, that's a leap.
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+22 23 24 MR. : Well, it may be, and she can get on the stand and say, I saw that, that it said Jane Doe 102. This was my boss who had gone to jail, who had been sued.
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+25 And so let me go into the second part of this, which
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 deals with the admissibility of things like the nonprosecution agreement, Jeffrey Epstein's plea, his sex offender registration, because if it relates to Ms. Maxwell's statement or the statement that Ms. Maxwell refers to, then it's relevant. Or it goes to an element of defamation. If it does not, then it cannot. And so the thing that I will tell you about those documents is, Ms. Maxwell has admitted she was employed by Mr. Epstein from a time period well before he went to jail until 2009, until he's out of jail. She's on flight logs with him. She's his number one employee. In fact, when we took, in a separate case, Mr. Dershowitz' deposition on specifically the topic of what did Jeffrey Epstein tell you about Virginia's allegations, or what did Ms. Maxwell tell you --
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+15 THE COURT: Give me a break. This I don't need, do I?
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+16 17 18 19 20 MR. : Well, I'm only bringing it up for the last point, which is, he says: There was a joint defense agreement in place during the 2005-2006 allegations between Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. Therefore I can't give you the answers. So we're talking about --
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+21 22 THE COURT: As far as I know, there's no evidence available to me of a joint defense agreement.
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+23 24 MR. : Okay. I only know what was testified to in sworn testimony, so I presume --
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+25 THE COURT: But it's not in this case. 4 5 6 7 MR. : I understand. I understand, your Honor. So at a time when Jeffrey Epstein is investigated, Ghislaine Maxwell is flying on his plane, she's vacationing with him. We have flight logs, we have photographs that were taken during that time.
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+8 THE COURT: So what --
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+9 MR. : So she knows --
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+10 THE COURT: -- relative to what we're dealing with?
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+11 MR. : So she knows that he's pleading guilty.
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+12 13 THE COURT: You mean because she was on the plane I can say she knows that he pled guilty?
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+14 15 MR. : She knows her employer went to jail while --
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+16 17 THE COURT: Okay. She knows the employer went to jail. So?
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+18 MR. : It's a public record that --
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+19 THE COURT: Okay. So?
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+20 21 MR. : -- that he's on the sex offender registration.
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+22 THE COURT: Okay. Agreed.
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+23 MR. : So at the time --
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+24 THE COURT: So?
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+25 MR. : So at the time she issues her statement
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+THE COURT: But that's not -- okay. All right.
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+THE COURT: It doesn't wash. You know it doesn't wash. You must know it doesn't wash.
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+MR. : I'm not saying she can't get on the stand and say she doesn't know. I get that. But for her to be the main employee and not know what's going on in his life when everybody knows --
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+THE COURT: Well, okay. All right. What's next?
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: I'd like to respond to this joint defense agreement issue just raised by Mr.
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+You're going to see a pleading later today that is going to have the actual Dershowitz transcript testimony in this, and this is now, again, I say lawyer testimony here, unsupported by the facts. There is no joint defense agreement between Maxwell and Dershowitz. I've told these lawyers that ten times now. When you go back to the Dershowitz transcript, which I have appended the portions of the pages they're now talking about, Dershowitz is asked a question by -- not Mr. , who's the defendant in that case, your Honor, and
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+the plaintiff and counterclaimant are the defendant in that 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 case. Who's in the room. Dershowitz is asked a question: Did you talk to Maxwell? And Dershowitz says: Gee, I think that may be privileged and I'm not going to answer. And I'm paraphrasing, but you will have this testimony. There's then an objection by the lawyer who's representing Mr. about: Is this a legitimate assertion of joint defense privilege? Dershowitz then says: Well, you know, I know that I talked to people who were alleged as co-conspirators, and I think that comes under Epstein's privilege. Mr. in the transcript, who is a party litigant, says: She wasn't a co-conspirator. That's what he says in this transcript, which you will see. He makes that affirmative representation to the special and Dershowitz. Then Dershowitz says: Gee, this was a long time ago. I may be wrong about that, but I'm going to err on the side of invoking the privilege. And the special says: Well, we can figure all this out later. If there is a joint defense agreement, you know, produce it and they can complain about it. They've taken that and disingenuously represented in pleadings and now again in court that there is some joint defense agreement with my client, which is emblematic of the problem of having lawyers as witnesses in this case, your Honor.
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+4 5 6 7 Your Honor, you have the briefing in front of you so you have our reasons why this should be admissible at trial. I would just like to add to that we have a witness who can authenticate this letter as well. It's Jeffrey Epstein. He can authenticate what went into this letter, who it went to, and why it did when he testifies.
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+8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 I would also add that the chronology of events here is really relevant and this victim notification letter comes into play. You can see received this in 2008. Several months later, she filed suit against Jeffrey Epstein pursuant to this letter in the Jane Doe 102 complaint. Paragraph 29 of that complaint references this specific letter, and of course that complaint is referenced in the Churcher articles, which is referenced by Ms. Maxwell's first public statement about in 2011. So almost like a Russian nesting doll, all this information is contained in the next document and the next document and the next document.
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+19 20 This letter actually should also come in under 803(8) as a public record.
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+21 22 THE COURT: Forgive me. What does Churcher say about the Jane Doe complaint?
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+23 24 25 : She says that is the Jane Doe of that complaint, and that complaint says that Maxwell was a recruiter and abuser, and that complaint also
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+4 5 6 Okay. It says: In her civil writ against him, under a pseudonym, Jane Doe 102, she alleged that her duties included being sexually exploited by Epstein's adult male peers, and it says what her real name is, and of course these articles to which defendant responded mention defendant as well.
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+7 8 9 THE COURT: Yes. Ms. Maxwell is not saying that the article was false with respect to the filing of that complaint, right?
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+10 11 12 13 : I'm sorry. I apologize, your Honor. I don't think I follow your question. I think that Ms. Maxwell knew about the Churcher article, which told her about the litigation against Epstein.
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+14 THE COURT: It told her there was a complaint.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 : Your Honor, this is also a public record that should come in under 803(8). This came from a public office, the United States Department of Justice. It contains findings of a legally authorized investigation into the sex crimes of Epstein. Defendant cannot make a showing that it lacks trustworthiness. She does not cite to any cases in which a victim notification letter has been excluded. Defendant has in her briefing tried to recharacterize this as a witness notification letter, but that's not what this is. It says right at the top, Jeffrey Epstein, Notification of Identified Victims, not identified witness.
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+4 5 The Seventh Circuit case cited by defendant can be distinguished because in that case someone was trying to show that he wasn't a criminal and that he was a victim instead. That's not the situation here. So this has all the components to warrant admission under 803(8).
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+14 15 THE COURT: Tell me again why you think this is relevant.
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+23 24 THE COURT: She knew that a case had been brought by against Epstein, right?
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+THE COURT: More than that?
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+MS. McCAWLEY: Thank you, your Honor.
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+MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, in the binder behind Tab 6 is the statement issued by Ms. Maxwell in 2011, which says, "Ghislaine Maxwell denies the various allegations about her that have appeared recently in the media." It doesn't reference Jane Doe 102. There's no evidence that she even had a copy of the complaint or knew anything about the complaint that had filed as an anonymous person back in 2011. That's a statement she issued in response to the articles behind Tabs 4 and 5.
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+THE COURT: Much as I'd like to move on, I do have one other question. Is there going to be evidence of settlement of Jane Doe, from the defense?
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+THE COURT: Well, and I thought that the information that I have about that came from the defense.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: It may be. I think we filed a motion in limine to preclude the plaintiff from introducing it in their case in chief. I think that's why you have that information.
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+Okay. Where are we? Yes. Evidence of Maxwell's involvement.
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+MR. CASSELL: Is this 686?
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+MR. CASSELL: Yes, your Honor. Paul Cassell for
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+As you know, the motion was an affirmative motion to avoid disputes arising in the middle of trial, and so we set out at the beginning of the pleading -- and I won't recount all of it here, but - going to produce. that goes directly illustrative types of evidence that we were And this, of course, is going to be evidence to proving the allegations that we've been talking about today. For example, we're going to produce Tony , who's going to say that Epstein's assistants
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, this is all subject to the protective order, and I guess I don't know -- if we're throwing it out the window, we're throwing it out the window and I will respond in kind, but, you know, I just put it out there so that there can be a fair response. This is a defamation case. I think I'm entitled to a fair response to these comments, but I don't want to be hamstrung by the protective order in responding to these claims.
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+THE COURT: Well, look, and this goes to all counsel. This would be part of the trial --
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+MR. CASSELL: Yes.
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+THE COURT: -- except that you chose to bring it now, and I'm not critical of that. That's perfectly all right by me. But this is really part of the trial. And so I think the defense comment is an appropriate one -- I mean, noting the fact that the order is no longer in effect.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: That's all fine with me, your Honor.
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+THE COURT: Well, I understand, but just so we all know where we are. I mean, as I understood it, you all had agreed -- now maybe I'm wrong -- that anything that was introduced or anything that, absent a particular application,
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+anything that occurred in the trial is open. And this is part of the trial. It isn't, but it is. And so what I'm saying is, I think it is part of the trial, even though it's in the in limine motion. It would be made during the trial. Now of course it would not be made in front of a jury, but it would be public.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: The only reason I'm raising this issue, your Honor, is twofold.
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+THE COURT: No. I think it's useful.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: I don't want to be in violation of your order.
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+THE COURT: No, no. Understood.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: But the other is, we have these arguments, and then after the fact plaintiff's counsel moves to redact things that they don't like from the transcripts when, you know -- it's like either it is or it isn't part of the record.
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+THE COURT: Well, that we don't have today. I mean, that issue we don't have today. But I've already said what I think about it. And, I mean, it's not written in obviously. I'd be pleased to have any authority that anybody wants to give me on it. But that's my reaction, that this is part of the open record, just so we all know where we are.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Great.
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+MR. CASSELL: If I could just make a note about two
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+4 5 6 7 THE COURT: Well, now, you can't have it both ways. Okay? If there's somebody you want to talk about whose identity you want concealed, I thought we had understood that that was fine. Make an application, we'll deal with that. We'll deal with that. Absent that --
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+8 9 10 11 MR. CASSELL: It's going to be my practice to refer to under-age victims of sexual assault by initials rather than their full names, and I would hope defense counsel would agree to follow the same approach.
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+12 MR. PAGLIUCA: No.
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+13 14 15 MR. CASSELL: Then we would make an oral application that the names of minor victims of sexual assault be referred to by their initials, because it's not like --
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+16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 THE COURT: Well, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. One of the problems I have at the moment is trying to bring order out of chaos, and I think we had agreed that if there's going to be an application for that kind of relief, it should be made and we'll deal with it. I don't want to do it on the fly, suddenly, without any notice to anybody about anything, and so if you want to do that, I'm not prejudging it at all. That's fine with me. But I think where we are at the moment is that anything that's referenced now is open. That's the way I look at it. Okay.
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+points. One would be, there are minor victims of sexual assaults who are not parties to this case.
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+4 5 6 7 8 MR. CASSELL: Thank you, your Honor. For example, I'm going to refer, in the next bit of evidence, which is in our reply brief, to a woman who I will identify by the initials SR. She described defendant as "the main right-hand woman of Epstein" in connection with recruiting girls. She described a rotation. She said the rotation was organized by defendant. Every single day defendant would go to another girl and say, "It's your turn."
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 THE COURT: Well, wait, wait, wait. Maybe I'm wrong -- which, parenthetically, I have been wrong on a number of occasions, which I regretfully report -- but this is the kind of an argument that somebody gets on the stand and they begin to testify and somebody makes an objection. And isn't that the case here? I mean, I don't know. I guess I'm saying, is this a proper in limine motion? I mean, we can't try the case twice.
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+17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. CASSELL: Right. But your Honor, the reason we brought this to your Honor's attention early is, this is going to permeate a number of the significant witnesses in the case. And rather than doing it on the fly in the middle of the trial with the jury here, since the issue can be clearly framed for your Honor at this point, there's no dispute as to what kind of evidence we're going to try to produce at trial, and I think there's obviously no dispute the defendant is going to oppose it, we wanted to surface the issue --
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 THE COURT: Yes, but what you just said, you see, it will be a question of what time frame are we talking about, of what was the witness' access. I mean, there are a lot of foundational questions that will come up, it seems to me. I mean, what I'm hoping is, as we proceed, we'll have an idea of who's going to testify and a rough idea of what their testimony is going to be, and at that point I'm perfectly prepared to sit with counsel and deal with it, but I'm not sure that we can go through witness by witness now. Does that make sense?
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+10 11 12 13 14 MR. CASSELL: It does very much, your Honor. I was simply offering in our brief -- as you know, our papers offered illustrative examples of an issue that your Honor is certain to face at trial so that we could get your guidance pretrial as to how --
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+15 16 17 THE COURT: If you have a witness who's going to testify that Ms. Maxwell did in fact do the things that she says said she did, that --
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+18 MR. CASSELL: That's all we're looking for.
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+19 THE COURT: Well, that's the case, isn't it?
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+20 21 MR. CASSELL: As you know, it seems like in this case, what's being --
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+22 23 THE COURT: Well, let me ask the defense: What's your view of all this?
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+24 MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, your Honor --
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+25 THE COURT: There's a propriety of trying to deal with this now.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 MR. PAGLIUCA: We pointed this out in the papers, which is precisely this problem you're struggling with. In the response that we filed, we pointed out that they haven't complied with Rule 404(b) and they haven't complied with Rule 415 because, you know, the allusion to this testimony are things like these bullet points on page 3 of their application: TT will introduce testimony from a female," unidentified. " intends to introduce testimony of another witness." There is no time frame, there's no identity. We have a bullet point that is literally three sentences long for each of these. So there's no context for the Court to rule on any of this.
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+14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 So I agree with you, your Honor. I think, though, it is going to be an issue that is going to be struggled with during the course of this trial, in my view. And there are competing 404(b) motions here, in essence, your Honor. They have filed a 404(b) motion to introduce evidence and we have filed a 404(b) motion to exclude evidence. Frankly, we don't know what the evidence is that they're talking about in this application to introduce the evidence, and we don't believe that they have complied with the rules, and so as a matter of pretrial ruling, it should just be denied and, you know, if there is some evidence then that we need to discuss, we need to discuss it.
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+But for example, there are specific requirements under Rule 404(b) that has to be offered for a specific purpose. You know, we have to be able to separate out the impermissible inference from the appropriate purpose. There has to be a finding by the Court under Huddleston, and so on and so forth. And unless the plaintiffs can provide you with sufficient information that can then be challenged, we're just spinning our wheels here, because we're talking about things that we don't know about.
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+Similarly, Rule 415 has specific requirements that have to be complied with for the proponent of the evidence. None of those have been complied with here.
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+So my suggestion is that this motion at this point be denied, and if there's a specific evidentiary foundation that the Court can have that would allow the Court to make a ruling after argument, that's fine, but right now we just have counsel's representations in papers and in court and no actual evidence before your Honor.
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+MR. CASSELL: Your Honor, may I approach briefly, because with regard to compliance with the rules, it requires notice of the specific testimony at issue, and we included an appendix, I believe it's approximately a 25-page-long document, so --
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+MS. MENNINGER: Is that in your reply?
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+MR. CASSELL: Appendix A?
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+4 5 MR. CASSELL: Your Honor, I'm happy to argue, but I don't believe counsel should be interjecting in the middle of my argument. I'd like to just provide this document to your Honor at this time.
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+6 7 MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, the point of what Ms. Menninger is saying, your Honor --
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+8 9 10 MR. CASSELL: Your Honor, is it my turn to speak? I would request that I be given an opportunity to make my case now.
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+11 THE COURT: Well, wait a minute. I'm trying to --
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+12 MS. MENNINGER: Can you give us a copy.
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+13 14 THE COURT: I'm trying to figure out whether I'm going to hear any of this now.
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+15 16 Well, there we are. I take it under 415 there are certain requirements.
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+17 18 MR. CASSELL: Yes, your Honor. And that's what Appendix A is.
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+19 20 THE COURT: Witness' statements or summary of the expected testimony.
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+21 22 23 24 25 MR. CASSELL: Yes, your Honor. That's what Appendix A is designed to do. It's a 20-page summary of approximately I believe ten different witnesses. We've asked in our pleading to have Appendix A construed as the appropriate notice under Rule 415(b). If your Honor were to rule today that that notice
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+MS. MENNINGER: You provided the notice in the reply?
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+THE COURT: Yes.
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+MR. CASSELL: So today, one of the things I'm trying to make certain isn't overlooked is that we provided fair notice to the other side.
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+THE COURT: That's fine. You say Appendix A.
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+MR. CASSELL: I believe your law clerk has it right in front of you.
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+THE COURT: Ah, okay.
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+On the question of whether this is ripe, let me ask the defense, what do you think about Appendix A?
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: The first thing I would point out, your Honor, is that it wasn't proffered as part of their motion; it was proffered as part of the reply, and very recently, and we haven't had the time to respond to it. That's point one.
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+Point two is, the cited transcript testimony, frankly, is the subject of a number of other objections and motions that are pending for a lot of these witnesses. And so the testimony that's being proffered is also -- I know, because I wrote some of the objections -- being objected to for other reasons. So if we're going to talk about this testimony as the proffer, I'd like an opportunity to respond to it. But it also makes some sense to me that this would be put in abeyance until after we
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+4 5 6 THE COURT: Okay. Now what else do we have? I think I know what we're doing tomorrow. Ah. II, so with this, we're going to deal with that. Right?
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+7 MS. MENNINGER: Correct.
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+8 THE COURT: So that makes some kind of sense to me.
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 15 I understand that you believe some of the designated testimony is inadmissible for various reasons, and that we'll deal with on the 5 th , and I think maybe it would be appropriate -- and tell me if you agree or disagree -- that on the 5th, if you have any other objections to the notice element in the rules, raise them then and then we'll decide whether we want to pursue this now or hold it for trial.
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+16 17 MR. PAGLIUCA: That makes perfect sense to me, your Honor.
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+18 THE COURT: How does that sound to the plaintiffs?
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+19 20 21 MR. CASSELL: I think that's satisfactory, your Honor. I would just point out that the notice is not due until 15 days before trial.
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+22 THE COURT: No. I understand that.
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+23 24 25 MR. CASSELL: But we are planning to supplement this notice, particularly in light of, we continue to hear objections today that this isn't sufficient, so I'm planning to
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+rule on some of the other motions, including issues specifically related to the questions and answers in the deposition, because that may impact the Court's ruling on this. 4 THE COURT: Well, when will your notice be complete? And of course you're entitled to say not until 15 days before trial.
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+5 6 7 8 MR. CASSELL: I'm the one who will be preparing the notice. I'm out of town until I get back in my office next Tuesday, and so I can have it ready for you by Wednesday night, of next week.
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+9 THE COURT: But you heard what I said, that --
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+10 MR. CASSELL: Right.
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+11 THE COURT: -- that's it?
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+12 13 MR. CASSELL: We would then have what we think is a sufficient notice by next Wednesday night.
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+14 15 THE COURT: No, no, no. But that's not quite what I'm saying.
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+16 MR. CASSELL: I'm sorry.
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+17 18 THE COURT: What I'm saying is, do you want to use the entire period that is available to you --
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+19 MR. CASSELL: No.
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+20 21 THE COURT: All right. Well, then you tell us. What date will you make your final --
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+22 23 MR. CASSELL: Next Wednesday night. Because I think we're here next Wednesday, and Thursday it could be argued.
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+24 25 THE COURT: All right. So then obviously we won't be able to deal with this question of the notice until the
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+MR. CASSELL: Are we here next Wednesday and Thursday
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+4 5 THE COURT: I don't know. II, yes. Well, but you're also going to be here on the 10th.
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+6 7 MR. PAGLIUCA: We're here next Wednesday, not next Thursday.
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+8 MR. CASSELL: II, I'm sorry.
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+9 THE COURT: I don't know. Wednesday, Thursday?
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+10 11 12 MR. PAGLIUCA: We're here next Wednesday, not next Thursday. And just to this point, I'd rather not get a notice either Tuesday night or Wednesday --
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+13 THE COURT: II, no. Of course I understand that.
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+14 MR. PAGLIUCA: Thank you.
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+15 16 17 18 THE COURT: II, yes. Okay. So next Wednesday is the drop dead date for the notice under 415. And we will consider it, and defense will let us know if they have any objections to the notice qua notice.
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+19 MR. CASSELL: Right.
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+20 21 22 THE COURT: And then at that point we'll determine whether we want to hear it in advance of trial or save it for the trial. Okay?
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+23 24 25 MR. CASSELL: The only thing that we would request is, if the defense says, your notice is defective on point A or B, since we don't have to finally file it until 15 days before, we would then request leave to have a chance to fix it. We want to --
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+4 5 6 THE COURT: Well, that's just exactly what I was trying to avoid. So look, okay, you want to take your full time, go ahead, take it. Obviously we will not be able to deal with this until 15 days before the trial. Which is okay.
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+7 MR. CASSELL: All right. Thank you, your Honor.
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+8 9 THE COURT: Okay. All right. So where are we now? What's the plaintiff's plan?
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+10 11 12 13 MS. McCAWLEY: I think you said the next motion that you wanted to hear was defendant's motion prohibiting questioning regarding defendant's sexual activities, which s --
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+14 THE COURT: 675? No.
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+15 MS. McCAWLEY: 665.
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+16 17 MS. MENNINGER: I have 675, as your Honor had indicated.
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+18 THE COURT: Yes.
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+19 20 Forgive me. Maybe you all know where we are on the 415 problem, timingwise, but I don't.
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+21 MS. MENNINGER: I don't.
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+22 23 24 MS. McCAWLEY: You mean what you were just discussing, your Honor, for our notice? We'll provide the notice within 15 days prior to trial. Is that what you're asking?
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+25 THE COURT: Okay. MS. McCAWLEY: That's how we'll do that.
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+THE COURT: So you won't do anything before then. Okay.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 MS. McCAWLEY: So I'm sorry. I confused you. I thought you were asking about -- when you gave the list at the beginning of the hearing, I think what you said, one of the ones you wanted to hear was DE 665, which is defendant's motion in limine to prohibit questions regarding defendant's adult sexual activities.
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+10 THE COURT: The only ones --
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+11 MS. McCAWLEY: That's fully briefed.
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+12 THE COURT: Yes. Okay. It's Maxwell's motion.
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+13 MS. McCAWLEY: Yes, your Honor.
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+14 MS. MENNINGER: Are you talking about 665 or 675?
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+15 THE COURT: I think 675?
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+16 17 , do I have the number wrong? I'm sorry.
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+19 20 21 II. MENNINGER: I have 675, which is our motion in limine to permit questioning regarding plaintiff's sexual history and reputation.
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+22 THE COURT: Yes.
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+23 24 25 But you also have a motion in limine to prohibit questions regarding defendant's adult sexual activity. That's 665. That's defendant's motion in limine.
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+THE COURT: Well, you want to do that? It's the same problem. Well, no, it isn't. No, it isn't.
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+MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I will say that it is my reading of Rule 412 that any hearing that is based upon in part Rule 412 is supposed to be conducted in a in camera setting.
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+MS. MENNINGER: It's our position that the materials are not barred by 412, but I am trying to be cautious here, your Honor.
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+THE COURT: Well, let me ask you a dumb question. This is not a sex offense case.
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+MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, in fact, the notes, the committee notes in regard to Rule 412 specifically exclude defamation actions involving statements concerning sexual misconduct, which is pretty directly on point, I think.
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+THE COURT: II, yes. Okay. All right. Okay. Is there anybody in the courtroom that is not part of the litigation team? Okay.
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+MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, there is counsel for a witness who happens to be present who is covered by the protective order, but I believe there are other people who are not related to the trial team.
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+THE COURT: Will the lawyers get this sorted out.
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+MR. CASSELL: It's a --
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+MR. : I think it's the press objecting to the court proceedings. She wants to put something on the record for the press. That's what I understand.
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+UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Yes. Exactly.
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+THE COURT: Thanks very much but no thanks. The courtroom will be closed.
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+MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I hope I'm being clear, but I'm going to say it one more time. I do not believe that Rule 412 bars the evidence that we seek to admit by virtue of this motion. However, we filed this motion in an abundance of caution. I was directing your Honor to the advisory committee notes that actually say that 412 does not bar this kind of evidence in a defamation action involving statements concerning sexual misconduct, which this case clearly is.
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+Your Honor, there are four categories of evidence that we would like to introduce and we believe are not precluded by Rule 412 or any of the other rules of evidence, and so that's
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 what the point of my motion is. The first one relates to plaintiff's allegations that prior to ever meeting Mr. Epstein or Ms. Maxwell, she was the victim of sex trafficking by an individual named Ronald Eppinger. Mr. Eppinger apparently was indicted in Florida for some sex crimes, and plaintiff's counsel took Mr. Eppinger's sex crimes information, his indictment, his arrest, neither of which mentioned plaintiff, by the way, but they took those materials and gave them to their psychiatric expert, Dr. Kliman, who made the video we talked about earlier. Dr. Kliman also administered a number of tests to plaintiffs to figure out whether she had any preexisting mental health conditions, in particular posttraumatic stress disorder. In response to plaintiff's claims that she had posttraumatic stress disorder, she described a period of time when she says she was victimized by Mr. Eppinger, and she attributed her PTSD to that time period. Then, in Dr. Kliman's report, he describes both Mr. Eppinger's criminal charges and also -- and this is very important, your Honor -- plaintiff claims that when she first met Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell, she told them about Ron Eppinger, that she said she had previously been the victim of sex crimes by this Ron Eppinger, and she said she told them that so they knew that she was a vulnerable victim. And she attributes that conversation to the very first time she met Ms. Maxwell and Mr. Epstein. She not only has put that into her book
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 manuscript but she told that to her psychiatrist, who was the expert endorsed by her in this case. So Dr. Kliman, at his deposition, was asked about any preexisting conditions that has, and he found that she already had PTSD from this Eppinger event prior to ever meeting Mr. Epstein or Ms. Maxwell. And he also said that she needs treatment for the fact that she had already been trafficked; she needs psychiatric treatment going forward for that prior event, even without any alleged defamatory statement. In other words, he said that even if this statement had never been made, he would also have recommended that she continue to have treatment going forward. And then, as you know, from reading all of the 702 motions, he has treatment going said she needed a certain dollar value of forward.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 So for us, now she's got a claim for PTSD from the alleged defamatory statement, or at least she's claiming her prior PTSD was exacerbated by the defamatory statement. There's no way to talk about her preexisting condition without talking about the fact that she says she was sexually trafficked before meeting Epstein and Maxwell, and also she says she told them about it in their first meeting. There's simply no way to cross-examine her about either her condition or her story as it relates to Epstein and Maxwell without getting into this alleged prior sex trafficking. Plaintiff in their response said they want to keep it out.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 It also was a part of her story in those Sharon Churcher articles, your Honor now has in a book in front of you, that we talked about a little bit earlier, so it is plaintiff who publicized to the entire world the fact that she says she was sexually trafficked prior to Epstein and Maxwell. She put that into her Sharon Churcher story. She got paid for that story. And so one of the issues in our case are her damages to her reputation. And if she's the one who was affirmatively selling that story to the press, publicizing it to the world, it is impossible for us to cross-examine her with regard to what her reputation was like in advance of any supposed statement that she claims is defamatory. So in other words, Rule 412 excludes -- even if your Honor were to find that it applies for some reason, it explicitly excludes evidence offered to show the defamatory statement did not damage her reputation, if the victim puts her reputation in issue. That's in the plain language of the rule.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The second category of evidence we seek to introduce at trial, your Honor, relates to testimony by her fiancé Michael Ostrich and her boyfriend Tony . The facts on this, your Honor, are that met Mr. Ostrich, he was the brother of someone she was in rehab with, she was in drug rehab from the ages of 14 to 15, and she made a friend there and it turned out to be Mr. Ostrich's sister, so when she got out of drug rehab in 1999, she moved in with Mr. Ostrich's
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 family, met him and became engaged to him. While she was engaged to him, she and he -- and he described at the deposition, he got down on one knee and proposed to her and gave her a ring. They then moved back in with plaintiff's parents for a while. And again, your Honor, this all predates when she says that she met Ms. Maxwell or Mr. Epstein. She moved back in with her parents with her fiancé. Both of her parents talked about her having this fiancé and living in the trailer outside of their home. And then ultimately she -- I'm sorry. There was a period of time she and this fiancé lived apart in another city, in an apartment, and then later they moved back in with plaintiff's parents, and then they got their own apartment near her parents' house, and she says that when she was living in this apartment is when she met Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell.
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+16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Your Honor, we seek -- I did not ask Mr. Ostrich questions about any particular sexual acts. I asked him questions about her being engaged to him and living with him during the period of time she claims she was a sex slave of Mr. Epstein. So Mr. Ostrich has relevant testimony regarding the time period, his observations, his conversations with her, and the fact that he was her fiancé at that period of time. I don't think any of that implicates Rule 412, the fact that she was engaged to and living with her boyfriend, but plaintiffs have taken a different view in their response, somehow claiming
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+Secondly, your Honor, she held herself out to Ms. Maxwell as being engaged to this individual, by her own account. So she told Ms. Maxwell she was engaged. One of the issues in this case is the age at which she met Ms. Maxwell, etc., but certainly if you're talking about an individual's state of mind, if they are presented as an engaged person when's living alone with their fiancé, it certainly suggests that they are 18 or older. Because it does not relate to any evidence of her sexual behavior or predisposition, I don't think Rule 412 covers it either.
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+Finally, your Honor, there are two instances -- and your Honor has heard about these obliquely during the course of litigation in this case -- where plaintiff made prior false allegations of sex assault, when she was 14 years old. And in those same committee notes, your Honor, that I just referred you to under Rule 412, is the following statement: "Evidence offered to prove allegedly false prior claims by the victim is not barred by Rule 412." So right there in the committee notes, which the Supreme Court has directed are to be given weight, controlling weight, and authority, prior false claims are not covered by the rule.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 There were two instances, your Honor. One was in 1998, when plaintiff was a runaway from home, using drugs and alcohol, and while she was living with Tony , she went out partying with two boys, and later, after she was in rehab, weeks later, after she was in rehab -- not voluntarily, by the way, her mother took her against her will and put her in rehab -- she made an allegation that that incident involved nonconsensual sexual contact. That was made in about February of 1998. There was a ten-month investigation. The boys were interviewed. And ultimately the DA in that case found that lacked credibility and they had a low likelihood of success at trial and they decided to drop the charges against the boys. And that came after they had interviewed her a number of times.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The second incident, your Honor, is a police report from November of 1997. Again, plaintiff was drinking with her friends, skipped school, according to her mother, she dropped her off, and she went drinking and hanging out with her boyfriend, who was a few years older. I think he was 17 or 18. And she was found by the police, after some complaints by neighbors, drunk in the backyard of a home. And she was on the ground in a simulated sex act with her boyfriend, the person she described as her boyfriend, and later said that she had a consensual sexual relationship with. When she was found, she was extremely intoxicated. And she made two statements that
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 are noteworthy on this topic. When the police came, she said to one of them, "If you don't tell my parents, I will," and she used an expletive, basically saying, I'll engage in sexual contact with you, Mr. Police Officer. That was one statement made in the police reports. Later, when she was in the ambulance, going to the hospital for her intoxication, she made an allegation that she had been subjected to nonconsensual penetration by her friends, or one of the boys there. It's a little unclear. And your Honor, she later was interviewed by the police and recanted that allegation. She said that she had not been subjected to any nonconsensual penetration.
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Your Honor, I understand that these are not pleasant topics, but these are two instances in which plaintiff, prior to ever meeting Ms. Maxwell or Mr. Epstein, made very serious allegations about individuals and either, in the first case, the DA found she lacked credibility or, in the second case, she changed her mind and said it didn't happen, what she had earlier said did happen. Your Honor, she did not disclose any of these to her psychiatrist, who, as I just mentioned, had found that she had preexisting PTSD, and so it is also important to note that in the findings he has made about possible sources of PTSD, it did not include this information. However, I believe that Rule 412 specifically allows for evidence of false prior claims by the victim and so I believe that's what we have here.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 It also is important for a jury to understand, because they might not, that someone who is 14 years old or 15 years old can lie about these things. Not only did she lie about this. Her boyfriend, for example, Mr. Ostrich -- or excuse me -- her fiancé, Mr. Ostrich, said that she had been lying to him at that time. She had been lying about where she was. She told him she was working, and she wasn't; she was with Tony . Tony later became her boyfriend. She broke up with Mr. Ostrich and Tony moved into her apartment. So Tony is someone plaintiff had a consensual sexual relationship with during the same time she claims that she was sexually trafficked. And so these people are percipient witnesses to what plaintiff did or didn't say or places she did or didn't go, but they are also people to whom plaintiff held herself out, in Mr. Ostrich's case, as her fiancé; in Tony case, as her boyfriend. We would ask that the evidence related to the Eppinger materials, Ostrich, and these two police incidents, be admitted at trial.
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+19 20 21 22 THE COURT: As to Ostrich, did I understand correctly that what you want to present there is statements by the plaintiff during the period that this relationship, while she was, according to her, in the employ of Epstein?
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+23 24 25 MS. MENNINGER: Exactly. He is someone who she was living with and engaged to at the time she says she met Maxwell and Epstein and she didn't tell him about being a sex slave, I
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+THE COURT: Yes. Okay.
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+: Your Honor, this is a classic Rule 412 situation here. Defendant is doing an old routine trying to blame the victim by introducing evidence of other sexual conduct. These tactics are expressly forbidden by Rule 412's rape shield law.
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+Let's take a moment to talk about the committee notes there. Defendant did not issue a statement alleging sexual misconduct here. She was denying allegations of being abused by her, so this is not a situation where someone says, "that woman is a prostitute," and then to prove the truth of that statement, you have to introduce evidence of her being paid for sex. That's not what's going on here. And none of these things that counsel for defendant seeks to introduce makes it more or less probable that defendant was telling the truth when she issued her defamatory statement, which is the claim at issue here.
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+THE COURT: Well, you're presenting Kliman.
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+: We're presenting Kliman but not his opinion with regard to Eppinger. And we're not claiming damages on that.
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+THE COURT: But it's in the report.
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+: He did a full psychiatric report of She's not claiming damages for every single psychiatric event that happened in her life. She's claiming damages for one.
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+THE COURT: Counsel said, and it was my recollection as well, that she did indicate that she had previous PTSD.
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+: Right. For which we're not claiming damages. Plaintiff could have all kinds of problems, but that's not what the case is about.
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+THE COURT: Hold on just a second. You're telling me you're not claiming PTSD?
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+: Not where Eppinger is the source of that. We're claiming damages only related to defendant's defamation.
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+THE COURT: Yes, yes, but you understand their position -- okay. That's one thing, defamation. Yes. But 4 THE COURT: No.
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+6 7 THE COURT: The value as against the prejudice, that's a different argument. I understand that.
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+8 9 10 11 12 : And also, your Honor, the PTSD that arose out of the Eppinger event was something 17 years ago. The psychological damage from defamation is something that arose two years ago. That goes to the weight of the evidence as well.
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+13 THE COURT: Well, yes. All right.
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+15 16 THE COURT: The point about Eppinger -- it's probably in the papers -- what age?
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+17 18 MS. MENNINGER: She said 1999, your Honor, which is also when she said she met Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell. 1999.
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+19 THE COURT: What?
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+20 21 22 : She was 15 years old in the police report. It says she was later identified as and she was in fact 15 years old.
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+23 THE COURT: Okay.
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+With regard to the argument that you heard from defendant's counsel regarding Churcher articles, where this is mentioned, again, the prejudicial effects of admitting this far outweigh any probative value. These are peripheral issues. I wouldn't even categorize them as that. These are so far afield of the case that's being tried that they're not relevant. They're being introduced to make her look like a bad kid.
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+Also, with regard to her romantic relationships as a young teenager with Mr. and Mr. Ostrich, you know, of course would not object to evidence showing her whereabouts, but defendant wrote an entire brief and just presented about her cheating on one of them with the other. That testimony about cheating comes squarely under 412, and any probative value is far outweighed by the prejudicial effect. Again, this is a 2015 defamation claim related to sexual abuse by defendant. The shifting affections of a teenager with her boyfriend and another boyfriend is peripheral at best. It's of no probative value here. It does not prove the truth or falsity of defendant's statement.
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+With regard to the police report, first of all, there is no exception to the hearsay rule that would allow those to be admitted into evidence at this trial. So already I think that's a nonstarter right off the bat. But most importantly is that these are not false allegations of rape. The police reports of course speak for themselves. And if your Honor were
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+to allow questioning about this at trial, could prove that she was raped here at 14. You heard defendant's 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 counsel say that she was intoxicated to the point where she needed treatment. The police report goes a little bit further. It says she could not walk. A person that intoxicated cannot give consent to sex under Florida law or, frankly, any law that I know of, any state law. Excuse me. There are also signs of, you know -- she's also 14 years old, so we have statutory rape implications there. There's evidence in the police report of forcible rape, including internal blood and external abrasions and physical injuries around areas of penetration. So here you have a person lacking the capacity to consent because of extreme intoxication and age and signs of forcible rape, and can -- I think the document speaks for herself that she could prove at trial that this is a true statement that she gave that she did not have sex according to her own volition there.
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+18 19 20 21 And that would take the trial down a very different road. It would waste time, proving that this is true, and it would be confusing to the jury, because the perpetrator is not -- police reports are not part of this case.
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+22 23 24 25 The same thing with the second one. You heard defendant say that a DA, a district attorney, found that she was not credible. That's not what the police report says. That is a conjecture by defendant's counsel. She has no idea
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+That circles back to the hearsay problems that are inherent in these two police reports. There are no exceptions under which they come in. Defendant's brief is silent on that.
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+Another thing that defendant's briefs are silent on is the fact that there are no other cases, in all these pages of briefing, where a court has allowed this type of evidence to come in. This is a classic Rule 412 case, trying to dirty up the victim of sexual assault, and it's prohibited by law. And defendant's counsel said, II, this isn't about sexual assault. I heard you question that as well. But the underlying claim here is that defendant defamed when she called her a liar about speaking out about her sexual abuse. So sexual abuse and sexual misconduct is central to this case. I don't think you can take that away.
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+So I think that the Rule 412 absolutely applies in this case, but even if it doesn't, this is a tangent, to say the least, and should be precluded under both Rule 401 and Rule 403 because it's nothing more than just trying to make her look like a bad child in front of the jury and to distract from the issues that actually go to the claim of this case.
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+MS. MENNINGER: Plaintiff brought a lawsuit based on defamation, based on a statement that her claims about being a sexual abuse victim were not true. She took Eppinger materials
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 and gave them to her expert Dr. Kliman, and Dr. Kliman included them in his report. She also included her story about Ron Eppinger in stories that she sold to the media. So your Honor, reflect for one minute. Do you remember an hour ago when plaintiff's counsel handed you a book that had the Sharon Churcher articles in and they argued to you, hey, that Jane Doe 102 is mentioned in that Sharon Churcher article and therefore, Ms. Maxwell's denial about that statement somehow related to the Jane Doe 102? Do you remember that argument? That's the same article that has Ron Eppinger in it. So what plaintiff would like to do, I guess, is, when we start talking about the Sharon Churcher article, they're just going to scratch out the part where plaintiff herself told the story about Ron Eppinger and Ms. Maxwell denied it in a pleading and then they gave that same information to their expert and we'll just ignore that part of his report that relied on it. I don't understand this kind of litigation, your Honor. If you're going to bring a lawsuit, put your reputation at issue -- and by the way, all of this stuff that's available on the internet goes to her reputation, and whether her reputation was damaged by any statement from Ms. Maxwell. You're going to put all that story on the internet, you're going to give it to your expert, and then you don't want us to be able to cross-examine about it and say well, wait a second, you already had PTSD, didn't you, and you're the one who said you already had PTSD when you talked to
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+Your Honor, secondly, saying that the Churcher articles are prejudicial, in a defamation case -- and she's the one that incited that entire media spectacle on herself by getting paid to give those stories -- just belies common sense and the rules of evidence.
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+Your Honor, the police reports -- I think I just heard say that I was inaccurately reciting what they said, so I will just read from the document itself, a certified copy, according to the sheriff of Palm Beach. It says, "I received a letter from assistant state attorney Teresa Bowman concerning the filing disposition on this case. Bowman's letter said that this case is no-filed due to the victim's lack of credibility and no substantial likelihood of success at trial." So I don't believe I have misconstrued the state attorney's letter. I'm reading from the document that is a certified copy.
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+I believe there was mention of hearsay rules, your Honor. Admissions by a party are not hearsay under the rules, your Honor, so all of statements in these police reports are admissions by a party. They are not, your Honor, hearsay by definition.
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+Another important point, your Honor, and it goes to plaintiff's reputation, the 1998 event I just talked about,
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+that was also in a news article published in February of 2015. The information was apparently obtained by a news reporter and published on the internet. And the title of the article I think was, "Friends describe a sex kitten," and it goes into the fact that was found not credible by the state's attorney's office. So again, your Honor, when plaintiff chooses to sell her story to the internet and then she publicizes her story and she gives it to her expert and she talks about her boyfriends and her fiancé and she talks about her sexual history and she's asking a jury to decide whether her reputation has been damaged, the jury has every right to hear everything else that was on the internet, including Ron Eppinger and sex kitten and police reports at which she was found to lack credibility.
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+The import of all of these rules, including 405(b), are that when someone puts their reputation at issue and they're asking for damages to their reputation, a lot more things come into evidence than otherwise might be the case. This is exactly that kind of case, your Honor. This is a case that turns on plaintiff's claim that she was a victim of sex abuse by my client, Ms. Maxwell, and here we have evidence: (1) that challenges her damages calculation by Dr. Kliman; (2) that challenges her reputation on the internet and whether there was any reputation that could be harmed by a statement by Ms. Maxwell; and (3) we're talking about whether or not she had
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+preexisting conditions. Those are the at-issue points that plaintiff chose when she brought this particular lawsuit, your Honor, and the evidence challenging those assumptions are what we are seeking to introduce.
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+THE COURT: Thank you. I look forward to seeing you tomorrow morning.
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+ALL COUNSEL: Thank you, your Honor.
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+MR. INDYKE: Your Honor? Your Honor, may I please approach. My name is Darren Indyke. I'm an attorney admitted in New York and the general business attorney for Mr. Epstein. I'm sorry I'm late and I'm sorry I came after you had gone through that beginning decision about the issue, but I only found out this morning -- and ran here from New Jersey -- that this case was going to be heard today. The lawyers had filed the motion to quash, Weinberg and Jack Goldberger. Jack Goldberger is a Florida lawyer. He's in Palm Beach right now. is in Boston. , I think he sent an email to And what he told me before I came here -- and turned off my cellphone so I haven't had further discussions with him was that he had a medical appointment tomorrow but if he absolutely had to, he could find a way to cancel it, but he was not really comfortable with doing a hearing without having any kind of prior notice of it and would prefer if we could do it at the first opportunity in April.
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+4 MR. INDYKE: As a general basis. I'm not a litigator. i don't really do this sort of thing. And I apologize if I'm stumbling. I just don't do this --
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+5 6 THE COURT: It just shows that you're a very smart lawyer not to be a litigator.
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+7 MR. INDYKE: Thank you.
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+8 9 THE COURT: On Epstein's behalf, you're asking that the motion to quash be adjourned a week, is that correct?
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+10 MR. INDYKE: Yes, your Honor.
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+11 THE COURT: Well, what do you all say?
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+12 MR. PAGLIUCA: We don't object, your Honor.
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+13 MR. : Sure, no objection, your Honor.
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+15 MR. INDYKE: Thank you, your Honor.
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+16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. : Your Honor, I'm sorry. Do you have ten seconds for me to answer a question that you asked me earlier and I wasn't able to answer? It only relates to whether or not I'm making a leap that Ghislaine Maxwell knew of the sex offender registration and the plea agreement. Both the fact that Jeffrey Epstein was a registered sex offender and the plea agreement, the fact that he pled and what he pled to and the number of charges are in the Churcher articles in 2011 to which she responded. And that's all I wanted to add to that point, that it was less of a leap. Thank you, your Honor. (Adjourned)
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+THE COURT: Do I understand you represent Epstein?
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+## IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+USA / Plaintiff(s)
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+v. Case No.: 15 Cv 7433
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+Ghislaine Maxwell
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+Defendant(s)
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+## NOTICE OF FILING OF OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT
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+proceeding type date proceeding held Notice is hereby given that an official transcript of a held on has been filed by the court reporter/transcriber in the above-captioned matter.
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+Redaction responsibilities apply to the attorneys of record or pro se parties, even if the person requesting the transcript is a judge or a member of the public or media.
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+The parties have seven (7) calendar days from the date of filing of this NOTICE to file with the court any NOTICE OF INTENT TO REQUEST REDACTION of this transcript. A copy of said NOTICE must also be served on the court reporter. If no such NOTICE is filed, the transcript may be made remotely electronically available to the public without redaction after ninety (90) calendar days.
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+I (we) certify that the foregoing is a correct transcript from the record of proceedings in the aboveentitled matter.
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+/s Khristine Sellin
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+Court Reporter/Transcriber Date
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+1 2 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK x
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+3 r
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+4 Plaintiff,
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+5 v. 15 Civ. 7433 (RWS)
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+6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL,
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+7 Defendant. Oral Argument
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+8 x
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+9 New York, N.Y. March 31, 2017 10:10 a.m.
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+10 Before:
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+11 HON. ROBERT W. SWEET,
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+12 District Judge
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+## 13 APPEARANCES
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+14 BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
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+15 Attorneys for Plaintiff
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+16 MEREDITH L. , ESQ.
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+17 S.J. QUINNEY COLLEGE OF LAW AT THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH
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+18 BY: PAUL G. CASSELL, ESQ.
+
+19 HADDON, AND P.C.
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+20 BY: JEFFREY S. PAGLIUCA, ESQ.
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+21
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+22
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+23
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+24
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+25
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+BY: SIGRID S. McCAWLEY, ESQ.
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+For Plaintiff
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+Attorneys for Defendant
+
+LAURA A. MENNINGER, ESQ.
+
+2 3 4 THE COURT: Like all of you, you woke up in the middle of the night thinking about this case. I would like to see if I can clarify my understanding.
+
+5 6 7 8 In the motion to dismiss, I concluded, I think, that what was at issue was the truth or falsity of the plaintiff's allegations concerning sexual abuse and the activities of the defendant. I think that's my sense of my own opinion.
+
+9 10 11 12 Yesterday, we were discussing the redactions of the intervention motion. I got the sense, perhaps wrongly, that the plaintiff's position was that the defamation was the truth or falsity of the statements relating to the defendant.
+
+13 Period. Am I correct?
+
+14 15 16 17 MS. McCAWLEY: You are, your Honor, in that the statements about the defendant -- to be clear, because one of the allegations is, of course, she was a madam and a coconspirator with Epstein -- do involve Epstein.
+
+18 19 THE COURT: Listen. Leave the pejorative out. Okay? Please.
+
+20 MS. McCAWLEY: Sure.
+
+21 22 23 24 THE COURT: Simply because I'm trying to come to grips, obviously, with the scope of this case, which is a real issue, obviously. So is it you are restricting your claim to the truth and falsity of the statements about Maxwell?
+
+25 MS. McCAWLEY: Yes, that is the case, your Honor. The
+
+1 2 3 statements about Maxwell and her activities, without using any description of what that is, but yes, as we've described in our pleadings.
+
+4 5 6 7 THE COURT: And whether or not the plaintiff was subject to sexual abuse as a minor is not part of it. I mean, yes, of course, whatever she was when whatever, but that issue we don't have to deal with.
+
+8 9 MS. McCAWLEY: I'm sorry, your Honor. I think I lost you there. I apologize.
+
+10 11 12 13 14 So the allegations in the complaint are that when our client came forward and said she was abused by the defendant and Epstein, the defendant came out and said she was lying about that abuse, and some of that abuse did occur when she was a minor.
+
+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 THE COURT: Yes. Well, okay. But there are other things that she sets forth in the Churcher articles, in the motion to intervene, there are a whole series of other things that are -- I mean, there are things that have been said, and my reading of the defendant's statement is, I read it to say all those things are false. But those are not at issue, as far as you're concerned.
+
+22 23 24 25 MS. McCAWLEY: Yes, your Honor. In fact, the omnibus motion we filed today -- and I think, if I'm following you correctly, this may help -- we were trying to streamline the case because there's other individuals, obviously, that my
+
+1 2 3 client made statements about. So we were trying to streamline the case to the statements about Maxwell and her involvement with Epstein.
+
+4 5 6 7 So in the omnibus motion you'll see, for example, that they have claimed she's made statements about other individuals, and we say that that's not what's at issue, what's at issue are the statements --
+
+8 9 10 THE COURT: That may be an issue of credibility. That may be an issue of credibility. I'm talking about what we're going to go to the jury on.
+
+11 12 MS. McCAWLEY: Yes. And that is the statements that Maxwell made about my client.
+
+13 THE COURT: And that's it.
+
+14 MS. McCAWLEY: Yes, your Honor.
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+15 16 THE COURT: Let me ask the defense. Does that clarify anything for you?
+
+17 MS. MENNINGER: Could I have one second, your Honor?
+
+18 THE COURT: Sure. Of course.
+
+19 20 21 22 23 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I think it's slightly more nuanced. Plaintiff has claimed our client's statement is false. Our client's statement is not just limited to the little snippets that they included in their complaint, it's the entire statement. That entire statement talks about
+
+24 25 allegations against Ms. Maxwell have been proven untrue.
+
+1 2 THE COURT: Yes. But the statement wasn't limited to those allegations.
+
+3 4 5 6 7 8 9 MS. MENNINGER: That's exactly right, your Honor, because right in the middle of that particular statement, the one that's at issue in this case, our client said, "Now her story has grown and evolved, and she's included allegations about world leaders and Alan Dershowitz, which he denies." We can't just take that part out of her statement, that's what Ms. Maxwell put in her statement.
+
+10 11 12 13 And your Honor, what we will ultimately be hearing from Ms. Maxwell about what she believed were the obvious lies that she was referring to and the allegations that she was referring to when she issued that statement.
+
+14 15 16 THE COURT: Now, one other question, and then we'll get to the business of the day. I apologize for this diversion.
+
+17 18 19 20 Let me ask you both. Suppose the plaintiff proves that she was sexually abused and that her story is substantially true but she does not prove the role that Maxwell had. Does she win?
+
+21 MS. MENNINGER: No, she loses, your Honor.
+
+22 THE COURT: I think she wins.
+
+23 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, the very first --
+
+24 THE COURT: Other than what you've just said.
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+25 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, our client can only be
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+2 THE COURT: Agreed. Agreed.
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+3 4 5 6 7 8 9 MS. MENNINGER: And so she can -- the v. Boeheim case is a perfect example of that, your Honor. She can only speak to facts about which she has personal knowledge. If plaintiff goes and proves that plaintiff went and had sex with Jeffrey Epstein at some point in time and our client wasn't there, our client's statement about that would be opinion, it would not be a fact based on personal knowledge.
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+10 11 THE COURT: I mean, okay. But that's an issue of knowledge. That's a different --
+
+12 MS. MENNINGER: You just said --
+
+13 THE COURT: That's a different --
+
+14 15 16 MS. MENNINGER: The hypothetical was if our client wasn't involved. If our client wasn't involved then it would be an opinion.
+
+17 18 THE COURT: Thanks very much. I'm glad for this clarity, which frankly, at the moment, alludes me.
+
+19 Okay, let's move on. Yes, I'll hear from the movant.
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+20 MS. McCAWLEY: Thank you, your Honor.
+
+21 22 23 24 25 The first order of business we'd like to address, if it's okay with the Court, is our filing, which was 691, which is our omnibus motion in limine. And if it's okay with the Court, we've split that up a bit. I'm going to start with respect to that motion in limine.
+
+1 2 3 4 5 what we attempted to do with our motion in limine was streamline the trial. And your Honor, based on the comments you've just made, if you want to give me guidance, I'll tell you what I'm thinking with respect to this and what we put forth in our filing.
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+6 7 8 9 10 11 But there are statements that are attributed to my client in other articles and things. For example, there are statements about Bill Clinton being on the island, and the defense wants to bring in those statements to show that -- they believe they can show evidence that he wasn't on the island, so therefore, my client is a liar or is lying about that.
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+12 13 14 15 Now, your Honor will remember, back in June we sought to depose him because we were concerned about that fact, that they were going to raise it, and we wanted to have him under oath --
+
+16 THE COURT: Let's back up a little bit.
+
+17 MS. McCAWLEY: Sure.
+
+18 THE COURT: What and where was the statement made?
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+19 20 MS. McCAWLEY: The statement was made in a March 5th article. So not the two articles we showed you yesterday --
+
+21 THE COURT: The Churcher article.
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+22 23 MS. McCAWLEY: Yes. But it was another article that came out in March of 2011.
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+24 25 And the statement was with respect to my client saying she saw him on Epstein's island. She was introduced to him
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 there. Although no allegations of trafficking or anything of that nature, just that she was there. And they are seeking to introduce evidence through Louie Freeh, who we'll discuss in a moment, they've proposed, and he's clearly an expert that was undisclosed, and through a FOIA record, and through the articles to allege that he wasn't on the island.
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+7 8 9 And so in your Honor's order in 264-1, which is one of the sealed orders, you did not allow us to depose him because you said it was irrelevant.
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+10 11 12 13 So we're now in a position where at trial they want to put forth that information against my client, and I don't have an under-oath statement from that individual saying whether or not he actually was.
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+14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Now, what we know is he flew with Jeffrey Epstein at the same time 19 different times internationally and nationally, but we don't have him with respect to this particular allegation under oath. So we would say it would be highly prejudicial for them to be able introduce evidence saying that he wasn't there or that they have some proof or some expert saying he wasn't there when, in fact, we weren't able to ask him directly, the person who is at issue, under oath, whether or not he did, in fact, go there.
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+23 24 25 So one of the streamlining of this case is that allegation has nothing to do with sexual abuse, it doesn't have to do with the statements --
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+2 3 MS. McCAWLEY: Well, your Honor, I would say, if you're inclined to think that that has --
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+4 5 6 THE COURT: Well, look. I'm no genius. I don't claim any -- but you know, that is precisely what the defense is going to say.
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+7 8 9 MS. McCAWLEY: Right. I understand, your Honor. And that's why we sought to depose him because it's inherently unfair --
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+10 THE COURT: Okay. So you would say I made a mistake.
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+11 12 13 14 15 MS. McCAWLEY: No, your Honor. I think it should be excluded, and in my view, I think it's not relevant to the issue at trial here. But they are, of course, going to argue that it is and that they want to bring that in. In fact, like I said, they've got lined up Mr.
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+16 17 THE COURT: Well, on the question of credibility, why isn't it relevant?
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+18 19 20 MS. McCAWLEY: Because the statement -- so this case is about whether or not she was sexually abused and trafficked --
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+21 22 23 24 25 THE COURT: Now, that's where I started out. Is it about that? If that is your position, that's something else. If it's a question about her sexual abuse, in addition to, then that's something else. But you just said it isn't about that, it's just about Maxwell and did she tell the truth about
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+2 3 4 5 Well, I suppose, I suppose -- I haven't heard the other side and I haven't really thought it all out -- but I suppose if she is untruthful in other instances, that may be relevant to her credibility.
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+6 7 8 9 MS. McCAWLEY: Well, your Honor, if that's the Court's position, again, we would be in a circumstance -- I mean, there's a couple reasons why the evidence itself that they want to put forth doesn't come in.
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+10 THE COURT: Well, that's a different thing.
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+11 12 MS. McCAWLEY: Sure. That's part of our motion, as well, your Honor.
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+13 THE COURT: Sure. I read that. I understand that.
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+14 15 16 17 MS. McCAWLEY: Right. So on the same note, since we're talking about this, I'll just tick off the few that fall within this category, if you don't mind. I understand, your Honor's position, so --
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+18 19 THE COURT: Well, I'm not sure what my position is right now.
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. McCAWLEY: Okay. So with respect to -- there's another category where there's been statements where my client said that she was trafficked to foreign presidents and world leaders that they want to bring into evidence. And in order to streamline the case, we've said, well, there's none of those people on the witness list, and just statements in an article
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 of that nature shouldn't be able to come in. Because when we talk about a character issue, what's at issue here is reputation, and reputation to show the truthfulness of that would not be able to be proven in that circumstance because we don't have the other individuals there to make that statement, so there's no substantive evidence on that point that would be coming in.
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+8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 And the third category is with respect to Mr. Dershowitz, who is on the defendant's witness list for trial, and we have a few points there to raise. I mean, one is obviously that if that were allowed to come in, that causes the trial to become a mini trial about whether or not he, for example, was in the places where she says he was, his calendars, his credit card receipts, his telephone records, all of that. It gets into the issue, you know, obviously we have another witness who says that they were in a similar circumstance with respect to him. So it takes the trial away from whether or not the allegations relating to Maxwell are true or false and turns it into a trial about another individual who we have not made a claim against who comes in.
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+21 22 23 24 25 There's also a problem with respect to that because he is also -- he has claimed attorney/client privilege as to his conversations and his advice with respect to Epstein which relates to the issues with Maxwell. So in other words, he would be able to testify what he says he didn't do, but then
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 any questions we wanted to ask him about Epstein or Maxwell he says he's got an attorney/client privilege. So we're hand-tied because we can't ask about the issues that we need to ask about with respect to that witness. So in my view, it's highly prejudicial to have him as a witness at trial when, again, our claims are not against him, and we have those issues.
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+7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 Now, you did have -- in your February 2nd order, you also precluded us from asking questions that we contended were non-Fifth Amendment questions of Jeffrey Epstein about Dershowitz, holding that those were not relevant. So we're in a situation where we have another witness that we are not able to elicit all of the information we need to be able to prove the truth or falsity of that, and again, it would be subject to a number of mini trials on that issue of Mr. Dershowitz.
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+15 16 17 18 So with respect to those three categories -- and it also allows them to use the attorney/client privilege as a sword and a shield in the midst of a trial, which is inherently unfair to my client, as well.
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+19 20 21 22 23 24 So in our view, it's highly prejudicial under 403. Those groupings should not come in. It should not be about, for example, Clinton and whether or not he was on an island, or Mr. Dershowitz or these other world leaders, it should be about the defendant and her statements that my client was lying when she claimed to be abused and trafficked in those statements.
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+25 THE COURT: Just a second.
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+2 3 THE COURT: What you just said, could you repeat what you just said?
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 MS. McCAWLEY: Yes. So the statements that Ms. Maxwell denied were statements that my client made that defendant and Epstein trafficked her, brought her in, had her participate in the sexual abuse of her and other females, she was in that circumstance, she lived that circumstance for a period of time, and so Maxwell came out and called my client a liar, said she was lying about those statements that she made, and said that, obviously, as you know, to the international press about my client and what her experience was with them.
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+13 14 15 So with respect to that, your Honor, those are the categories that we believe would help streamline the case, and again, that those witnesses would be highly prejudicial.
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+16 17 18 On the issue of the information that they'd like to put in with respect to Mr. Clinton, they have Louie Freeh who they've identified. This is a former FBI director.
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+19 THE COURT: I know.
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. McCAWLEY: You know, yes. So they've put him in without giving us a Rule 26 expert report. He was never disclosed during the time period. His report or what he's going to say, as we understand it, is that he's reviewed the FOIA response and that there's no evidence in his view that Clinton was on this island, again, even though he flew
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+2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 So again, we didn't get to depose him as an expert in this matter. We didn't know that he was going to be called as an expert. They're saying he's a lay opinion because he's a private investigator, your Honor. The case law says otherwise. He's been certified as an expert in these exact kind of cases. We put those in our brief. So your Honor, he is really a in sheep's clothing. They're trying to put him on as a lay opinion when he's really an expert witness in this case with sufficient and sophisticated knowledge, that the jury will recognize him as someone who has expertise in this area so, your Honor, we believe he should be precluded from testifying. He has no personal knowledge, it's simply his reliance, as we understand it, on the one FOIA response letter.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 So your Honor, with respect to the FOIA response letter that's at issue that they are going to try to get into evidence, we've put forth in our papers, again, that's a hearsay document. It's highly prejudicial under 403. They say that it meets self-authentication, but unlike the documents that we showed, for example the 302 that have the seal on it, it has none of those qualifications.
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+22 23 24 25 They cite to two cases, the Zamara case and the Gary case. Both of those involve getting into evidence underlying records that were produced by the government, not a FOIA letter. So what they're trying to produce is a letter that
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+1 2 says we've looked and we can't find these records that you've requested.
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+3 4 5 6 7 8 Now, it doesn't address the fact that the government only typically retains records for a few years when they were requesting records from 15 years ago, so it doesn't have the indicia of trustworthiness to be able to say that this is actually the fact because, of course, as we know, the government regularly has to get rid of records.
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 So to use this letter to say, 'Ah-hah, he was never on the island,' when we never got to examine him under oath and say, 'You traveled with him a bunch. Did you also go to the island? My client says she met you there.' We didn't get to ask those questions, so we're in a situation now where that letter coming in would be highly prejudicial because the jury will wonder, well, what does he have to say about this? And we haven't been in a position to be able to do that.
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+17 18 19 20 So your Honor, for all those reasons we believe that Mr. Freeh should be excluded, the FOIA letter should not come into evidence, and again, we believe that the issue of Mr. Clinton should not be an issue relevant to this trial.
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+21 22 23 24 25 Next, your Honor, they also seek to include statements, hearsay statements and newspaper articles about Prince Andrew, and it's actually not his denial, as I understand it, Buckingham Palace's denial of the allegation of my client. But again, Prince Andrew is not on the witness
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+1 2 3 4 5 list, we're not able to cross examine him, so what they want to do is introduce triple hearsay of Buckingham Palace saying what Prince Andrews said in a news article without the reporter against my client without our ability to cross examine him on that.
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+6 7 8 9 10 11 So your Honor, they've tried to argue a little bit of a securitous way, I think that it's a verbal act on behalf of Prince Andrew, it doesn't meet that criteria, there's been no statement by -- there's been no action by my client against him, and what's at issue in this case is, again, Maxwell's statements against my client.
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 The case that they cite actually, the Minemyer case, goes against them. It actually talks about how you would have to call the reporter, that that couldn't come into evidence. And so, your Honor, for those reasons, we believe that, again, that's a distraction, it's highly prejudicial to allow a triple hearsay document like that to come in without our ability to be able to cross examine that individual. So for those reasons, your Honor, we believe that that should not come in.
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 They also made an argument that it's somehow an intervening cause or that, you know, it goes to the issue of she should be seeking damages from Prince Andrew, things of that nature. But as we know, because your Honor reviewed the case law with respect to the summary judgment, each individual is responsible for their own defamation, so it doesn't come
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+1 2 3 into consideration whether she could have sued six people for it, 20 other people for it, this case is about Maxwell and her defamation against my client.
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+4 5 6 So again, your Honor, if you look at Sack on Defamation, it addresses that directly, and we believe that that should not come into evidence.
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+7 8 9 10 11 So your Honor, that's the first chunk of the omnibus motion that I was addressing. I'm not sure how you want to take it, if you want to have opposing counsel speak on those issues now and then move to the others, or if you want us to keep moving through it?
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+12 THE COURT: What's your preference?
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+13 14 MS. McCAWLEY: I think keep moving through it would be great.
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+15 THE COURT: What?
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+16 17 18 MS. McCAWLEY: To keep moving it through it, if that's all right, so we can get through argument and then have them address it?
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+19 THE COURT: Sure.
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+20 MS. McCAWLEY: Thank you, your Honor.
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+21 22 23 24 25 : Your Honor, this is Meredith for the plaintiff. The next article in the omnibus motion is to exclude testimony references to prior sexual assault. This is an issue that I spoke on yesterday related to another motion regarding the same, so I'll keep it brief.
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 But prior sexual assault, all of which occurred while was a child, it's irrelevant to this action. It doesn't come in under 401. It doesn't involve defendant. It predates even meeting defendant. And these assaults do not make it more or less probable that defendant defamed and neither does it tend to prove or disprove that defendant abused her.
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+8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 These are also classic examples of evidence that should be excluded under Rule 412. The Rape Shield Law forbids evidence concerning these unrelated events involving . This rule should be strictly enforced, particularly because these events happened when she was 14 and 15 years old. Rule 412(a) bars this evidence if it's offered to prove that she engaged in any type of sexual behavior to prove any type of disposition.
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+16 17 18 19 20 it should also be excluded under Rule 403. This is extremely prejudicial, and because it is irrelevant, it would only encourage the jury to view a married mother in her 30s, as an immoral person for having sexual contact with individuals as a child.
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+21 22 23 24 25 This should also be excluded under 608(a), which limits interaction of evidence for specific instances of conduct in order to attack the witness' character for truthfulness. Now, I spoke about this at length yesterday. Defendant tries to offer two particular things to say that, II, 1 2 3 4 5 6 she wasn't truthful about something, about being sexually assaulted, but the documents themselves describe something that's unequivocally sexual assault under Florida law, something that is unequivocally nonconsensual. So that would honestly be another mini trial and would take us far afield of what facts are relevant to this case.
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+7 8 9 And again, any minor probative value that's past sexual assault that experienced as a child is completely swallowed by the prejudicial effect on the jury.
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+10 11 12 MR. CASSELL: Your Honor, I think I'm the next one up. For purposes of clarity, we're up to point number 7 in our omnibus motion.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 This one I think is just a very simple and straightforward one. We move to exclude derogatory sexual characterizations. This is a case that your Honor has been framing this morning. It doesn't require use of a term from defense counsel, for example, describing our client as a prostitute or as a slut. We thought we would get agreement when we saw the responsive papers from the defense, but as you know, they objected in it's entirety to this motion, so we're here asking that defense counsel not refer to our client as a prostitute, not refer to her as a slut, and they also advise their witnesses that such language would be inappropriate in a federal trial dealing with a defamation issue.
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+25 On this particular point about prostitute, it's
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 interesting. Am I conjuring up something that's not going to happen? No, your Honor. The defendant's own expert report described our client as a prostitute. Your Honor has under advisement the expert report from Dr. Esplin, and so I deposed Dr. Esplin, and I said, "Are you sure that's an accurate term in the context of this case? Because we have a child who cannot consent to sexual activities." And he backed off immediately and agreed that that was an inaccurate term for him to use to describe my client, . So even the defense's own expert says the term "prostitute" is inappropriate.
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 18 Your Honor has authority, of course, under Rule 611 to manage the trial, to avoid undue harassment or embarrassment. Also Rule 403 allows you to restrict things that would be substantially prejudicial with no probative value, which is exactly what we have here. So we would ask you simply to reign in derogatory language, both from witnesses and opposing counsel.
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+19 20 21 : Your Honor, I'll be addressing the next several points in the omnibus motion, starting with number 8. I think I can narrow this issue a little bit at the outset.
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+22 23 24 25 concedes here that illegal or nonprescription use of drugs during the years that she was with defendant is admissible. However, any evidence pertaining to any use of drugs, illegal or not, and alcohol from any periods
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+1 2 3 before or after was abused by defendant is irrelevant to this action and should be excluded under Rule 401.
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+4 5 6 7 It is also, of course, highly prejudicial and should be excluded under Rule 403. Whether or not ever used drugs while not being abused by defendant does not go to any claim or defenses in this case.
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+8 9 10 11 12 13 Courts in the Southern District of New York routinely exclude evidence of prior drug use under both of these rules, as fully briefed in the papers. Defendant attempts to admit this evidence of prescription drug use related to damages, specifically whether or not the emotional distress suffered is preexisting.
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+14 15 THE COURT: And why do you have it in your expert's report?
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+16 17 18 : Well, our expert is -- I'm assuming you're referring to Dr. Kliman, who is a physician. He's a medical doctor. He took a full --
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+19 20 THE COURT: There's a whole thing about it. Are you going to withdraw the --
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+21 22 23 24 25 : No, your Honor. We're only claiming damages with respect to the emotional distress suffered from the defamation. And also, taking drugs prescribed for various mental health issues is not the same thing as emotional distress. They're two different issues. So any marginal
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+1 2 probative value is outweighed by the prejudice. Again, this is only seeking damages based on defendant's defamation.
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+3 4 5 6 I'm going to move on to point number 9. seeks to exclude any alleged criminal history from coming into this case. And the Federal Rules of Evidence bar the introduction of this evidence, full stop.
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+7 8 9 10 As the Court is aware, the only way criminal history could come into evidence is through Rule 609, but that rule itself bars this evidence because, one, there's no conviction, and two, the alleged crime does not go to truthfulness.
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+11 12 13 14 Of the two parties, your Honor, is the only one who has not been convicted of a crime here, this is merely an alleged prior bad act which is excluded under Rule 404.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 And this alleged act, which denies, does not go to truthfulness, and that's an important point here. An accusation of a crime with no conviction does not go to truthfulness, especially a crime like this, which specifically is defendant says she stole from a tip jar when she was a teenager. Knowing that this type of evidence is excluded, counsel for defendant has put forth an unsupported argument that left the United States because of allegations that she stole from a tip jar. That is, of course, false. She left the United States to get away from defendant's abuse.
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 which has been produced in discovery and submitted to this Court, shows that it was defendant who sent her to Thailand, sending her with handwritten instructions about what to do when she gets there. So if this unsupported argument that defendant left the United States because of some accusation of a tip jar is to be believed, then that makes defendant an accessory after the fact and implicates her in the wrongdoing.
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+8 9 10 11 12 13 So I don't -- basically, there's just -- this argument is also undone by the fact that later, comes back to the United States to live here. She's not fleeing accusations, she was fleeing defendant. If she were worried about criminal liability in the United States, she wouldn't come back to live here.
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+14 15 16 17 But the overall point is any marginal probative value from these allegations, which I don't think there is any, but it's far vastly outweighed by the prejudice it would cause and should be excluded under all those rules.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 Moving now to point 10. has requested that the Court exclude any evidence regarding special schooling, truancy, and juvenile delinquencies. For this argument, your Honor, I request that I approach the bench and give you a few documents upon which these arguments are based. I have four documents that I'm handing up.
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+24 25 I have to get a little bit into the weeds here, so please bear with me. In this case, -- well, school 1 2 3 4 5 records have been part of discovery. They show a history of rampant truancy and failed courses. This constitutes prior bad acts which are excluded under Rule 404, particularly since these bad acts do not go to truthfulness, so they're also excluded under Rule 608.
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+6 7 8 They should also be excluded because their prejudice that it would cause greatly outweighs any probative value and should be excluded under 403.
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 There's a huge remoteness issue here, your Honor. These truancies and juvenile delinquencies took place many years ago when she was a minor. There's a lot of case law on this that is in Mr. brief on page 22 to 23. But what you should be aware of, your Honor, is that a close examination of records, looking up what the number codes on these transcripts actually mean, it shows the opposite of the argument that defendant advances in her response brief; that she was in school, and therefore, not abused by her client.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 To the contrary, the records show that she was not in school over half the time she was supposed to be and did not complete her courses. These transcripts are not self-explanatory. Indeed, looking at the face of them, it seems like she was enrolled and attending school, but much of the information in these records are number codes used by the Palm Beach County School District. These school records could not be placed into evidence for all the reasons above, but if
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+1 2 3 4 5 you are inclined to do them, you could not place them into evidence fairly without testimony regarding what all these codes on the transcripts mean, or at a bare minimum, the introduction of evidence and instruction that makes explicit what all the codes on the transcripts mean.
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+6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Defendant either failed to do her due diligence on this and looked at what the codes are before advancing this argument, but either way, it's not a good faith argument because, as you can see in the document I handed up, these codes and their meanings were detailed at length in opposition to the motion for summary judgment, and I would ask the Court to refer to the facts at page 32 of the statement of facts.
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+14 15 16 17 18 19 So what the records actually show is rampant truancy, years of absence from school while defendant was abusing her, which show ample opportunity for abuse, and are, in fact, in accord with the flight records, which have also been produced in this case, which place on 23 flights with defendant aboard Jeffrey Epstein's private plane.
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 So as these records actually show truancy, failed grades, failure to complete courses, these should be excluded under all the rules I cited earlier, or at a bare minimum, instruction to the jury about what the codes mean and detailing how many days of school actually attended, a number that is conspicuously absent from defendant's brief.
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Turning next to plaintiff's motion in limine number 11. This is a related issue. We ask that the Court exclude characterizations of bad behavior during her childhood, including characterizations of her as a bad child or a runaway. Defendant's response to this tries to conflate two separate things; prior bad acts, an assault on her character on one hand, with a reputation for truthfulness of another.
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+8 9 10 11 Prior bad acts she may have committed as a child, like running away, is inadmissible and a defamation action where the damages relate to her reputation. That she ran away from home or was an ill-behaved child does not go to truthfulness.
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+12 13 14 These events also do not go to her reputation. Her reputation for truthfulness as an adult prior to the defamation is the only reputation that's at issue in this case.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Defendant's defamatory statements damaged reputation when she was in her 30s. This does not open the door into evidence of generalized character, particularly one from a troubled childhood. Occurrences, such as running away from her home when she was a child, are simply prior bad acts under Rule 404 that should be excluded. They should also be excluded under Rule 405 because this is introduction of evidence to try to show her character. And Rule 608(a) also limits evidence and testimony about a witness' reputation for having a character for truthfulness or untruthfulness, it doesn't come in under that rule.
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 Her reputation for truthfulness does not go to any bad acts she may have committed 20 years ago. And your Honor, even criminal convictions are generally not admissible 10 years after the fact. So presentation of this type of evidence is simply nothing more than a smear campaign, which is prescribed by multiple Federal Rules of Evidence.
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+7 8 9 And finally, any marginal probative value of these bad acts as a child is vastly outweighed by the undue prejudice it would cause before a jury.
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+10 11 12 13 14 15 16 Your Honor, now I'm turning to point number 12. We've asked the Court to exclude evidence relating to the tax compliance of not-for-profit Victims Refuse Silence. Rule 401 is the first rule under which this should be excluded. The alleged tax compliance of her not-for-profit does not go to whether or not defendant defamed and does not go to whether or not defendant abused
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+17 18 19 20 21 It should also be excluded under 403. It is highly prejudicial. It would give the wrong impression to the jury that organization is not tax compliant, which, in fact, it is a fact that defendant does not acknowledge in her briefing.
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+22 23 24 Proving whether or not not-for-profit is tax compliant would also be a mini trial and, frankly, a sideshow to this case.
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+25 Furthermore, all of defendant's conclusions about
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+1 2 3 4 not-for-profit tax compliance are based on an errant report by her purported expert, an expert who should be excluded from testifying because his report lacked methodology and he opined on topics far afield from his expertise.
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+5 6 7 8 Second, any allegations that her not-for-profit is not tax compliant is prejudicial, misleading, confusing to the jury because it has nothing to do with the claim at issue in this case.
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 Your Honor, we asked for defendant's tax returns in this case. If they go to truthfulness, as defendant argues, they also go to defendant's truthfulness. At this point, we're not going to get them until the first day of trial, so we will not be able to effectively cross examine defendant on those tax returns, and we won't be able to see until then if she's paid taxes on all Epstein that government. Unlike the money and gifts and in-kind payments from she's received or has kept that away from the tax information, defendant's tax information goes to our case in chief and is relevant evidence.
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+20 21 22 23 On point number 13, we move to exclude evidence relating to alleged tax compliance. Your Honor, this is a defamation action where reputation is at issue. Tax compliance does not go to a reputation, it is a private matter.
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+24 25 Second, there is no evidence in this case that any government, either United States or Australia, believes that
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+1 2 3 she is noncompliant with her taxes. Defendant's purported expert's evaluation of this is wholly flawed, as explained in motion in limine on the same.
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+4 5 6 7 8 Similarly, taxes are wholly irrelevant to this case. Even actions brought by the government, your Honor, where the cause of action is centered on nontax compliance exclude evidence of prior tax noncompliance when takes the case too far afield of the issue being tried. it
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+9 10 11 12 Courts also exclude this evidence under 403 if there's no substantial nexus between the alleged tax noncompliance and the matter at hand. Here, defendant fails to show any type of substantial nexus to this defamation claim. None whatsoever.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Additionally, resolving tax compliance, this is a point that's in dispute among the parties, and resolving such an issue would also involve another mini trial where would put on evidence of her tax compliance and, at the end of that mini trial, the jury would have no more information whether or not defendant defamed when she called her a liar about being sexually abused. Trying to make this an issue, this is simply a device for putting the settlement agreement and the amount between and Jeffrey Epstein into evidence.
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+23 24 25 As has been briefed extensively, such a settlement payment is tax exempt under the United States law, but that's all this is, it's a device to try to get an improper admission
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+1 2 3 4 of a settlement amount between and Jeffrey Epstein. Accordingly, this should be completely excluded because any marginal probative value this has on the claims is greatly outweighed by the prejudice to
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+5 6 I am not up for the next one, so I'm going to take a break. Thank you.
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+7 8 9 10 11 12 13 MR. CASSELL: Again, your Honor, I'm up to number 14 now, the issue of being a victim of domestic violence. This is not relevant or minimally relevant. It's burden, of course, to show the emotional distress damages that she suffered as a result of Ms. Maxwell's defamatory statement, and the jury can agree or disagree with whether she's carried her burden of proof.
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+14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 If we understand the defendant's argument correctly, they say, well, this would have been a distressing event in your life and, therefore, we should be free to introduce it in front of the jury. Of course, that argument would allow, if accepted, essentially any bad thing that's happened in any plaintiff's life to be introduced if they seek emotional distress damages because, my goodness, this event here or there had some emotionally distressing effect on you. So it has minimal to low probative value, and the prejudice is very substantial.
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+24 25 Your Honor, obviously, has a great deal of experience and are well aware of the domestic violence, blame the victim
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+2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Frequently, if there's domestic violence that's at issue, an expert witness comes in to explain to the jury, II, why didn't she leave? Why did she stay with this fellow who was beating her up? She was free to walk out of the relationship. Why didn't she do so? And there is a whole literature that I know your Honor is familiar with and that we cited in our brief, as well.
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 We don't want to get into that in front of the jury in this particular case. This is a blame the victim tactic that shouldn't be allowed. This has very marginal, if any, probative value and a very significant prejudicial effect because the jury will potentially blame the victim for staying with her abusive spouse.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Now, in addition, you'll notice from the pleading that the defendants aren't intent just on asking questions about this, but they also want to go into the whole criminal case against husband, you know, whether he appeared or what the felony charges are and a variety of things. That, obviously, has even less probative value than the information I was discussing a moment ago and should be independently excluded.
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+23 24 25 The next issue up is item 15. And here, we ask to have excluded any suggestions that sex with a 17-year-old is permissible. You will recall that there's debate about exactly
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+1 2 3 4 5 what years and what birthdays were in play and exactly what said about whether she was 15, 16, or 17. Fair enough. They can cross examine her about, 'Did you say 16 when you were, in fact, 17,' or whatever it is. We're not trying to exclude that.
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+6 7 8 The limited point that we're trying to address here is that they shouldn't say, 'Ah-hah, she was 17, therefore, she's fair game.'
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+9 10 11 12 13 Under Florida law that we've cited in our pleadings, there is no possibility of a child under the age of 18 consenting to sexual activities of the nature that are at issue here, and therefore, the defendant should be precluded from making that kind of suggestion. And so that's item 15.
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+14 15 16 17 18 19 : Turning to item 16 in the omnibus motion. has moved the Court to exclude medical records. Here, I would actually like to direct the Court's attention to defendant's response. Defendant here does not cite a single case where a court allowed admission of unrelated and irrelevant medical records into evidence at trial.
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+20 21 22 23 Defendant's brief also doesn't show how any medical records are relevant here, and there are privacy issues at stake. In fact, defendant does not cite to a single case in which a court allows any medical records into evidence.
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+24 25 In defendant's entire response she cites two cases only. Neither of them have anything to do with what documents 1 2 might be admitted at trial. Both are orders resolving discovery disputes under Rule 26.
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+3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Apart from her medical records, while defendant was abusing her, such as when defendant took her to a hospital here in New York when she was only 17, and the psychological records related to , which have been produced, which incidentally are from 2011 and name defendant as her abuser, no other medical records are relevant and should be excluded under Rule 401.
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+10 11 12 13 14 15 16 is seeking damages for emotional distress from defamation. It does not open up the flood gates to every single medical issue she's ever had in her life. has produced records, everything from treatment for a ferret bite to details of her giving birth. These are not relevant, and we can have a ruling in advance of trial that these things should be excluded.
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+17 18 19 20 Defendant only seeks to use these records to confuse the issues before the jury. Defendant offers no reason for addressing the relevance of such documents one by one at trial, and I think these can be safely excluded at this juncture.
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+21 22 23 24 MS. McCAWLEY: Your Honor, next is number 17, which we addressed in our papers, as well, about the prior settlement agreement. You've heard about it in this case, and we have said that that should not come into evidence.
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+1 2 3 4 amount has something that the jury should consider. Your Honor, the papers set forth very clearly that there's a specific rule of evidence directly on point with respect to settlement agreements, and they can't be used in that manner.
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+5 6 7 Your Honor, we cite to our papers on that with respect to any prior settlement agreement being entered into evidence at the trial.
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+8 MR. CASSELL: I believe I have the next three.
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 Item 18 then is defamation litigation. And your Honor is aware that there was a separate lawsuit that's spun out of this situation where Cassell and filed a defamation action in Florida State Court against Alan Dershowitz. Alan Dershowitz then counterclaimed. That was litigated in Florida State Court for about a year. Ultimately, the parties settled their differences in an undisclosed financial arrangements and, as part of the comprehensive settlement, Cassell and then withdraw summary judgment against Dershowitz.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 24 It was as expressly understood when the parties agreed upon this confidential settlement, there was then a statement in which it was said that reaffirms her allegations, and the withdrawal of the reference to the filings is not intended to be and should not be construed as being an acknowledgment by and Cassell that the allegations made by were mistaken.
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+"mistake", and that was indicated in the pleading withdrawing the summary judgment motion as follows: and Cassell do acknowledge that the public filing in the Crime Victims Rights Act case of the client's allegations against Defendant Dershowitz became a major distraction from the merits of the well-founded Crime Victims Rights Act case by causing delay and, as a consequence, turned out to be a tactical mistake." "Tactical mistake." "For that reason and Cassell have chosen to withdraw the referenced filing as a condition of the settlement."
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+That's all a very interesting lawsuit, but that's a lawsuit that does not have as a party. It was Cassell and versus Alan Dershowitz, with claims going back and forth. Cassell and were, of course, vindicating their own professional interests and their professional reputation responding to the attacks that had been made by Mr. Dershowitz, and they chose to settle the case, as did Mr. Dershowitz, for undisclosed financial reasons.
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+And also, from the fact I think your Honor is now aware, that there were some witnesses who were not available. has come forward in this case to say that she was a traffic to Alan Dershowitz in the same way that alleges, and that was information that has only recently become available.
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+The point is, you have enough business on your hands
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+1 2 3 without getting into the details of another separate lawsuit that did not involve as a party, and so we've moved in limine.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 And let me make clear that I emphasize the narrowness of our motion here. We seek to preclude evidence involving that litigation. Your Honor has already heard from my colleague, Ms. McCawley, who has presented our argument for why Dershowitz should not be in this case at all, and of course, if we prevail on point 1, this point becomes irrelevant.
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+10 11 12 13 14 15 16 But in addition to point 1, we don't need to be getting into the details of the separate lawsuit. It's not relevant to the case of versus Maxwell. Defendants, in their responsive brief, if I understand correctly what they say is, II, well look. Why didn't join the lawsuit or why hasn't she filed a lawsuit against Dershowitz? What's going on there?
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+17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Well, of course, your Honor is aware, there are a variety of statutes of limitation around the country, and indeed around the world. has not -- those statutes have not all run at this point. There are varying considerations that go into whether or not someone like would file a lawsuit, and these issues shouldn't be discussed in front of the jury. That's nothing to do with this particular lawsuit.
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+25 Moreover, defendant apparently argues that statements
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+1 2 3 4 that and Cassell made in this other lawsuit are somehow binding on and Cassell had separate legal counsel, Florida attorney Jack Scarola. Whatever was going on in that case isn't binding on
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+5 6 7 8 9 Under the relevant rules, an attorney's statements are binding on a client only on a matter within the scope of the relationship. And this was vindicating separate professional interests, this was not vindicating some interest of
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+10 11 12 13 So for all those reasons, we ask that the defamation litigation between Dershowitz and and Cassell be excluded. Of course, you have the separate issue of Dershowitz in front of you already.
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+14 15 16 17 18 19 20 Let me turn then to point number 19. Here again, we have a narrow issue presented to your Honor. We are asking that you exclude Judge Marra's ruling on the joinder motion. As your Honor is well aware, the triggering event in this case was when , then known as Jane Doe Number 3, filed a motion to join Jane Doe 1 and Jane Doe 2 in the Florida pro bono Crime Victims Rights action.
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+21 22 23 24 25 Now, Judge Marra denied that motion to join, but at the same time he said, "The reason I'm denying the motion to join is you can participate in the case in other ways without being a formal party." He cited, and I quote, "Of course, Jane Doe 3 can participate in this litigated effort to vindicate the
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+2 THE COURT: I'm familiar with it.
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+3 4 MR. CASSELL: Okay. Right. So that's Judge Marra's ruling.
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+5 6 7 8 And you understand that was obviously on a technical joinder issue. The joinder issue, whether that was a good joinder motion or a bad motion, has nothing to do with whether or not was defamed.
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+9 10 THE COURT: How do you propose to handle the joinder motion evidentially?
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+11 12 MR. CASSELL: Right. We think the joinder motion should simply come into evidence as the pleading to which
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+13 -- I'm sorry -- Ms. Maxwell was responding.
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+14 THE COURT: Lock, , and barrel?
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+15 16 17 MR. CASSELL: So we are obviously waiting for guidance from your Honor. For example, if you say, look, Dershowitz, let's just not get into that, that's --
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+18 THE COURT: That didn't answer my question. Please.
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+19 MR. CASSELL: I apologize.
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+20 21 THE COURT: You talk about many trials, many arguments. You want to put in the entire motion?
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+22 23 MR. CASSELL: Yes, unless your Honor -- I want to be direct here.
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+24 25 Yes. However, if you say, look, Dershowitz isn't coming into this case, there are some allegations about
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+1 2 3 Dershowitz that we would then believe, in light of your ruling, should be redacted. But until we have any rulings from your Honor restricting the case, it's our position that all --
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+4 5 THE COURT: But you don't have an edited version of the intervention motion that you would like me to consider.
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+6 7 MR. CASSELL: We would propose one once we get rulings from your Honor on the motions in limine.
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+8 9 10 11 12 13 THE COURT: By the way, just parenthetically, folks, these motions in limine are good fun, and we're all having a nice time, but they're not binding. I mean by that, I'm expressing my view, or I will, I hope, some day express my view on these issues, but the trial may turn in a different direction and, you know, who knows. Okay.
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+14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 MR. CASSELL: We understand. And one of the reasons we have not proposed a redacted joinder motion, that showed up in a reply brief from the defendant, we didn't move to file a surreply with a possible motion. We think the best way to proceed, and we're happy to get guidance from your Honor, but once we have rulings from you on what's in the case and what's out, then we might go through the joinder motion. But where we're sitting today, the joinder motion goes in in its entirety.
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+23 24 25 But what does not come in is then, all right, that's a legal pleading. Gee, I wonder what happened. Judge Marra made a ruling, we don't need to get into the details of that ruling. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Of course, we would want to explain that there were nine separate reasons why those allegations were included. Judge Marra referred to the first of the nine reasons. We have eight other additional reasons why those were included. It would essentially, again, be a mini trial about, well, what does a joinder motion mean? Did you file under Rule 15? It should have been under Rule 21. What did the judge do?
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+8 9 10 11 12 13 It has no bearing at all on the issues in the case, and it, of course, has very substantial prejudicial effect because it leads to a confusion of the jury. The jury's trying to figure out, well, what's going on in the Crime Victims Rights Act case when the issue is whether or not defamed.
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+14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Now, there is an issue in their pleadings. They say, well, this could end up being relevant because there might be some kind of a privileged setting issue. Again, I think your Honor correctly was pointing out a moment ago, if things show up in the trial, it's possible that something could change, but we don't anticipate that becoming an issue in the trial at this point. If the issue of whether this was a privileged setting somehow becomes an issue in the case, then it would be time to revisit that during the trial.
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+23 24 25 In any event, issues of whether this was a privileged setting or not aren't litigated in front of the jury, that's a legal issue for your Honor to determine whether the setting was 1 2 3 or was not privileged. We don't take jury evidence on that, you know, Judge Marra's ruling, and therefore, that should be excluded. So that is item number 19.
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+4 5 6 7 8 Let me turn then to item 20, and I'm handling that. This is essentially a hearsay exercise. We want information to be excluded regarding Rebecca Boylan. Why? Because Rebecca Boylan has not been deposed and is not going to be a witness in the case.
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+9 10 11 12 13 As we understand what the defendant is planning to do, she's planning to call Mr. Dershowitz. Mr. Dershowitz is going to say Ms. Boylan told him that told him something, and so we have the classic hearsay within a hearsay situation. The problem, of course, is that Boylan is not here.
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+14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The defendant's pleadings say, ah-hah, but this is an admission by the stand so really say that? , and it would be if Ms. Boylan were on we could ask her questions about, well, did And what did she mean? And wasn't she saying that she's been abused by Ms. Maxwell? But they want to skip over that intermediate stuff, have Dershowitz describe what Boylan describes said, and that's obviously -- and then I'm assuming Dershowitz is going to put his spin on what Ms. Boylan allegedly said to him. There are no set of circumstances in which that hearsay within hearsay could be admissible because Ms. Boylan has not been deposed, and is not here, it's rank multiple hearsay.
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+2 3 4 5 With regard to the remaining issues, you'll be happy to hear that I think things can be sped up. We believe that these issues should simply be, as your Honors I think was suggesting a moment ago, deferred to trial.
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+6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 Items 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, and 29, those were sort of just kind of protective measures. The one footnote or caveat we would add to that, your Honor. We think this gets punted to the trial, but we would simply ask your Honor to direct defense counsel before they let the cat out of the bag on any of these that there be a sidebar or hearing outside of the jury just so that, you know, our motion in limine doesn't become moot because they've already effectively put it in front of the jury.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 The one that's of particular concern is alleged bad acts by the defense team. At various points, I think your Honor, unfortunately, has seen some, you know, frankly aggressive language directed to the plaintiff's team here by the defense team. We're prepared to respond to each and every one of those allegations. We've tried not to get into the back and forth because we think it's irrelevant.
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+22 23 24 25 But if there was to be some kind of an attack launched on any of the members of the Boies Schiller Firm, of Brad , myself, we would ask that we be given leave to address that at sidebar, in-camera, or outside the presence of the jury 1 2 so that we can keep the fact that we have done something bad that should then be held against our client away from the jury.
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+3 4 5 But all these remaining things we are in agreement, I think with the suggestion you were perhaps making a moment ago, we can deal with these issues at trial.
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+6 That's our omnibus motion in limine, your Honor.
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+7 THE COURT: Thank you.
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+8 9 10 MS. MENNINGER: The omnibus motion reads like a list of everything plaintiff has lied about or anything that would undercut her claim for damages.
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+11 12 13 14 Plaintiff quoted Passim in her reply brief from a particular federal evidence treatise, and I would like to tell the Court, she left out the most important parts, and that is the ones that relate to 405(b).
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 As that treatise reads, "Character is an element of a defense in a defamation case if the defending party claims that the statements in question are true and seeks to prove that the plaintiff has the character ascribed to her or to reduce damages by showing that her reputation is so bad the statement did no harm.
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+21 22 23 "In such cases, pursuant to Rule 405, all forms of character evidence are admissible wherever relevant, including opinion, reputation, and specific instances of conduct."
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+24 25 As your Honor found in our motion to dismiss ruling of February 29th of last year, "Though defendant never called
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+1 2 3 4 plaintiff a liar, to call her claims obvious lies that have been shown to be untrue demands the same meaning. Plaintiff cannot be making claims shown to be untrue that are obvious lies without being a liar."
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+5 6 7 8 9 Ms. Maxwell has stated in her answer after that that her statement was true; that is, plaintiff is a liar. She is thus entitled by Rule 405 to introduce all forms of character evidence, including specific instances of conduct, opinion, and reputation.
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+10 11 12 What does that evidence look like? Plaintiff's mother described her as a liar, plaintiff's fiance described her as a liar, plaintiff's employer from 2002 described her as a liar.
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+13 14 15 Your Honor, I would like to start with the first one that plaintiff started with, and that is motion in limine 2, which is Bill Clinton being on the island.
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+16 17 18 19 20 21 Ms. Maxwell is going to testify at this trial, and she's going to testify regarding the obvious lies that plaintiff told her. One story that plaintiff has told is that Ms. Maxwell was on the island with Bill Clinton and herself at a dinner party. If I may approach, your Honor? I have three exhibits. Two for now.
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+22 23 THE COURT: I think in duplicate, to the extent that I think.
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+24 25 MS. MENNINGER: I'd like to first direct the Court's attention to the news article by --
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+2 MS. MENNINGER: -- Sharon Churcher.
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+3 THE COURT: Yes, I've read it.
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+4 MS. MENNINGER: Okay. It's the one in which
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+5 6 7 8 9 10 on March 5th, 2011, gave a long and lengthy interview to Sharon Churcher describing her experience on the island with Bill Clinton, with Al Gore, with Al Gore's wife, with all kinds of famous people. And the island event featured large and media coverage. If you notice the date of that article, your Honor, it's March 5th, 2011.
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 The next document I provided is a press statement issued by Ghislaine Maxwell on March 10th, 2011, so five days later, in which she writes, care of her attorneys, "Ghislaine Maxwell denies the various allegations about her that have appeared recently in the media. These allegations are all entirely false."
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+17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Your Honor, the last document I would like to direct your attention to -- by the way, after Ms. Maxwell published this press release, did not sue her, she did not claim that she had been emotionally distressed or injured by being called, essentially, a liar in this particular press release. And also, with respect to the Bill Clinton article, your Honor, the evidence at trial will show a substantial number of emails between Churcher contemporaneous with this article. In none of them does she
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+1 2 3 say, 'You got it wrong. I never saw Ghislaine Maxwell on a helicopter with Bill Clinton. I never said that to you,' she did none of that.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 So your Honor, the last document, and it really, I think, actually helps clarify the question your Honor raised when you came out to court this morning, is an email. It's an email from Ghislaine Maxwell to Alan Dershowitz, January 6, 2015, and it has a document attached called "Four Press Complaints".
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+10 11 12 13 14 15 Your Honor will notice that this document is not marked confidential, it was produced by Ms. Maxwell over a year ago, it is marked Ghislaine Maxwell 0006, and it's a communication between herself and Alan Dershowitz, someone with whom she does not have a joint defense agreement, and that's why she produced this email.
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+16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Your Honor, this email, as you can tell from the date, was sent four days after the allegedly defamatory statement at issue. It reflects Ms. Maxwell's dossier of all of the statements from the papers that have been shown to be completely untrue or show inconsistency in her story. Each article is listed so you can find that link that references the lies are inconsistencies.
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+23 24 25 Your Honor, if you look at this document that was sent just a few days after the January 2nd email, and you turn to page 3, which is actually the attached document, "Four Press
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+1 2 3 4 Complaints", because Ms. Maxwell says she's preparing a press complaint in the UK, in other words a legal action, the third page, your Honor, is the document that was attached that was produced over a year ago.
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+5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 How this document reads at the top, "Drafted by Ms. Maxwell. I have copied direct lines and quotes from articles, and my comments are in orange after the quote. The relevant article that the quotes came from is listed below the last quote. Below, I think, are some of the irrefutable contradictions and interesting additional details that can be used in the letter to the mail and in the following press complaints. In addition, this article on Rothstein you may find helpful.
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+14 15 16 17 "What is the number one lie that Ms. Maxwell points to? Number 1. Bill Clinton identified in lawsuit against his former friend and pedophile Jeffrey Epstein who had regular orgies."
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+18 19 20 And then Ms. Maxwell's commentary directly afterwards, in a quotation, "Huge problem is that Clinton never came to the island."
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+21 22 23 24 25 Your Honor, in plaintiff's response -- excuse me - reply brief, they claim Ms. Maxwell had no knowledge in early January, 2015 that Bill Clinton had never been to the island. Obviously, she had knowledge of that because she was claimed to have been there with him and claimed to have flown on a
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+1 2 helicopter with him by plaintiff in her Sharon Churcher published articles.
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+3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 And here, in January of 2015, Ms. Maxwell is saying he was never on the island. It doesn't depend on Louie Freeh or anybody else. That's obviously -- in this particular email, your Honor, she's cataloged all of the changed stories of all of the lies has told, all of the different news articles in which those lies were told, and said that this is going to be the basis of her press complaint in the UK.
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 17 Likewise, on the next page, your Honor, GM009, at the bottom, again, she specifically refutes the claims about Bill Clinton being on the island and says, "He was never there." Right after that, she says, "Virginia discussed that Al Gore and his wife Tipper were also guests on the island." And Ms. Maxwell writes, "They have also never been on the island, and I don't believe they even know Jeffrey Epstein."
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 So when the jury is asked to consider what Ms. Maxwell meant when she issued, through her attorney and her press agent, the January 2nd, 2015 statement, we have a contemporaneous document drafted by her that was produced in discovery a year ago. None of it refers to the Jane Doe 102 complaint, none of it refers to the CVRA joinder motion. None of it. It refers simply to press allegations that have been floating around about her and about her involvement with
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+2 3 4 5 Plaintiff's counsel has said statements made in the newspaper articles are hearsay. That is often true, but when it's plaintiff's statement in a news article, it's called a party admission.
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+6 7 8 9 10 11 Plaintiff complains that she didn't have the opportunity to depose President Clinton. Your Honor, plaintiff's counsel sought to depose President Clinton in their reply brief at the end of June, 2016, about a week before discovery was to close. They didn't even mention it in their opening brief, they raised it in docket number 211.
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 In that request, which I didn't have an opportunity to object to because it came in reply, she said she wanted to depose him to, "establish his close personal relationship with Epstein", she said nothing about wanting to see whether he had been on the island, whether he flew in a helicopter, or anything like that.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 With regard to Louie Freeh, your Honor, we disclosed him as a witness in our Rule 26 disclosures last March - excuse me -- February of 2016. Plaintiff made no effort to try to depose him, made no effort to find out his basis of knowledge. We produced in discovery his report in which he submitted a FOIA request.
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+24 25 Yesterday, you will recall Ms. McCawley testifying about how she, herself, issued a FOIA request and got in
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+1 2 3 4 response an FBI 302 motion -- excuse me -- statement of -- she claims is authentic, but she doesn't know how it was redacted, doesn't explain how it's redacted, but she wants to admit that into evidence.
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+5 6 7 8 We are actually offering to put on the stand the person who submitted the FOIA request to explain what was requested and what was received. That is not expert testimony, your Honor, that's chain of custody.
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 With regard to motion in limine number 5, evidence of denials by Prince Andrew and Buckingham Palace. Again, your Honor, in a defamation case -- and I'm now quoting from plaintiff's treatise that they cited throughout their response and their reply -- excuse me -- "In defamation cases, defendants can also prove that other liables and rumors about the claimant are circulating, at least if they are widespread, to demonstrate that it is not what the defendant said about the plaintiff that causes her reputation to suffer but what others said."
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+19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Plaintiff also cites Sack of Defamation. He supports our position, your Honor. Here, we have a statement by Buckingham Palace that was issued on the internet and widely circulated. There is also a videotape of Prince Andrew denying I claims. Both of those were far more circulated than anything Ms. Maxwell said, as evidenced by the fact that plaintiff can't even find Ms. Maxwell's statement on
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+2 3 4 5 6 Also, Alan Dershowitz widely circulated his denials of plaintiff's claims. He was on Good Morning America, he was on CNN's Nancy Show, he was on Fox News. All of those places he called a liar, and a serial liar, and other things.
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+7 8 9 10 11 12 We are entitled, your Honor, both through cross examination of plaintiff as well as cross examination of her experts, to challenge whether or not anything said by Ms. Maxwell caused damage to her reputation or whether other people calling her a liar on national news and international news is, in fact, the cause of any damage to her reputation.
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+13 14 15 16 17 She is the one, of course, who has put her reputation at issue. Having the of York and Buckingham Palace issue denials is not hearsay, your Honor, it is offered for the fact that the denial was widely circulated and very likely contributed to people considering plaintiff to be a liar.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Motion in limine number 6, plaintiff's sexual history and reputation. This salient point, your Honor, of course, again, under 405(b), is that once you have put your reputation for being a liar in question, then other specific instances of false claims become highly relevant and probative of your character for truthfulness, particularly with regard to sexual assault and sexual abuse.
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+25 Furthermore, your Honor, plaintiff is the one who's
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 claiming she has damages of post-traumatic stress disorder, and she is the one who is going to call to the stand her psychiatrist to talk about that patient, and she is the one that gave him evidence about these other acts to him and on which he has relied in reaching his conclusions. It is impossible for us to not be able to cross examine her expert about preexisting PTSD caused by incidents and events unrelated to Ms. Maxwell.
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Motion in limine number 7, whether or not can be called a prostitute. Your Honor, no one in this case, no counsel, nobody that I'm aware of involved with the litigation has referred to as a slut. That is something that plaintiff's counsel has brought up, and you will notice there is absolutely no cite in any record, in any document referring to her as such.
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+16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 What has come up, your Honor, are internet sites in which has been called all kinds of things that are unrelated to Ms. Maxwell, that do not cite Ms. Maxwell. For example, her friends gave interviews to the press in which they described -- and this is attached as my Exhibit L -- described as "a money hungry sex kitten who enjoyed her lavish lifestyle". We cannot talk about plaintiff's reputation on the internet without talking about what is out there on the internet. We cannot cross examine her or cross examine her experts about what her reputation is if we can't ask about
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+1 2 these other things that are circulating about her that have nothing to do with Ms. Maxwell.
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+3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Mr. Cassell referred to our expert Phillip Esplin, Dr. Esplin, and saying that he agreed not to refer to as a prostitute. Your Honor, that came up in the context of a cross examination in which he said he has no idea whether any of her claims are credible or not. He does not believe it's within the province of the psychiatrist to be making credibility determinations. So he was not in any way suggesting, in fact he testified for hours to the contrary, that he knows whether her claims of being a prostitute are true or not true, and he agreed not to talk about.
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+13 14 15 16 17 The only context in which I think this comes up, your Honor, are witnesses or people on the internet who have made disparaging remarks about the plaintiff that have to be the subject of her reputation and her request for damages that she says are related to Ms. Maxwell.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Plaintiff's drug abuse, motion in limine number 8. They have conceded, as they must, that the period of time about which is testifying is fair game for her discussion of all of her illegal drug use. And it wasn't just prescription drugs, she has testified that she was on a number of different drugs at the time, and that because of those drugs, her memory of events from 2000 are, quote/unquote, foggy. And she says that's one of the reasons she can't
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+1 2 3 remember the names of the foreign presidents that she was trafficked to, and these other famous people, because she was taking so many drugs she just can't remember.
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+4 5 6 7 Obviously, your Honor, a witness' ability to perceive and recall and relate events that happened a long time ago that were affected by drug use need to be brought to light before the jury.
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+8 9 10 11 12 13 14 The second issue, your Honor, relates to the use of prescription medication. What you heard plaintiff say is they would like to introduce evidence that she's taking prescription drugs properly, but they want to exclude us from cross examining her about that to see whether or not she was taking prescription drugs improperly. That's called cross examination, your Honor.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Her use of prescription drugs has been well-documented in her doctor's records, and she has made false statements to her doctors regarding her need for prescription drugs. She's gone from one doctor to the next, telling one that she hasn't taken any Valium for years, and then the next one -- and then we have the records showing that that's just not true. She's told doctors that she was stressed out about a big litigation in New York, she told a doctor that in the year 2014, this lawsuit wasn't filed until 2015, so she's made statements to doctors that are inaccurate.
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+25 Your Honor, her statements reflected in her medical
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+1 2 3 4 records may or may not be admissible depending on what she says on the stand, but they are her statements and they are, therefore, potentially admissible as admissions of a party opponent under 801(d)(2).
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+5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 Moreover, her doctor is the one who wants to testify about her need for medications going forward, and he has been the one who's talked about her previous use of medications. Her Colorado doctor testified that she had misled him and not fully disclosed her need for prescription medications, and there's also the question about whether or not, if she opens the door and says she's properly used medications for post-traumatic stress disorder, then we should be able to examine her, not only with respect to that, but her other use of prescription and illegal drugs.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 And your Honor, I think it is inappropriately limiting to say we can only talk about her use of drugs during the period of '99 to 2002 because any drug use that she has used in the meantime can go to establish whether or not she truly had post-traumatic stress disorder or any other mental health disorder.
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+21 22 23 24 25 She has filed a lawsuit asking for \$30 million in emotional distress, pain and suffering, and her doctor is going to testify that she needs medications as a part of managing that pain and stress and emotional distress. If she's been using drugs in the interim that may affect her memory, if she's 1 2 3 4 using drugs now that may affect her memory, or if she's inappropriately used drugs in the meantime, all of that would go to whether or not she truly has the emotional distress that she claims.
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+5 6 7 8 9 Motion in limine 9, plaintiff's criminal history. If I understand plaintiff's argument, they do not want her to be cross examined either under 608(b) or 405(b) with regard to a specific instance of dishonesty; that is, her theft from her employer.
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+10 11 12 There are legions of cases, your Honor, that find theft to be a crime of dishonesty and admissible for proof of character of dishonesty.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 Not only, your Honor, did she get charged by the authorities in Florida with this crime of theft from her employer, an arrest warrant was issued for her, that arrest warrant was outstanding at the time she, quote/unquote, fled to Thailand. That arrest warrant remained outstanding until the year, I think 2009 or 2010, when it was quashed. Plaintiff failed to come back to this country during that entire time. It got quashed because it had been such a long passage of time.
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+21 THE COURT: Who was the employer?
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+22 23 24 25 MS. MENNINGER: It was the Roadhouse Grill, your Honor. It was a burger joint. And she was working at that Roadhouse Grill in March of 2002 during the period of time she claims that she was a sex slave. She claimed that she was a
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+sex slave, that she was getting paid wads of cash, thousands of dollars by Jeffrey Epstein, and this was happening 24/7. And we asked in discovery, and we got a bunch of records, not only of her working at the Roadhouse Grill, but also of her working at a bunch of other restaurants, at a veterinarian's office, all kinds of things during the period of time that she says she was a -- what is commonly known as a sex slave, is how she described it in her papers.
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+Your Honor, she compounded the lie about the theft because she wrote a book manuscript, as you know. And in that book manuscript, she describes that it was not her who took the money from the tip jar, it was her boyfriend, Tony and that's also what she testified during her deposition.
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+She said, for example, that she didn't commit the theft, that he came in at the end of her shift, and while she wasn't looking, he's the one that took the tips.
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+Well, we deposed Tony , and Tony your Honor might be surprised to hear, is a gentleman with several felonies to his name, which he gladly recounted on the witness stand on videotape. He talked about all the thefts he has committed, thefts from a video store, he was charged with felonies, he was put on probation for ten years, he recently had gotten out, but he actually denied that he was the one who took the money from the tip jar.
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+So there's the lie, there's the tip jar theft, then
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+1 2 3 there's the lie about the tip jar theft, and then there is the arrest warrant that was issued that plaintiff left the country for over a decade while that arrest warrant was outstanding.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Your Honor, the fact of police contacts during this timeframe, including this one, go directly to other issues, including whether or not plaintiff was truly the sex slave that she describes. She had an opportunity, because she called the police on numbers of occasions during the relevant time period -- she called them to report a theft, she called them to help with a civil assist getting her out of her apartment, she called them for all kinds of reasons -- and at none of those points of time did she tell the police that she was currently then a, quote/unquote, sex slave.
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+14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 Your Honor, the Roadhouse Grill also -- the Mail On Sunday is the one who printed a story about the Roadhouse Grill and confronted her aunt who was being interviewed for one of their stories about it. The aunt was in the process of saying what a great niece she had, and then the news asked her about the Roadhouse Grill theft, and she said, "Wow, I didn't even know that she was working in a burger joint." So it goes to her internet reputation.
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+22 23 24 25 And finally, your Honor, I think if you look back to that email between our client and Mr. Dershowitz on page GM009, it's one of the lies that our client specifically referred to. She quotes statement, "Jeffrey bought me
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+2 3 4 5 6 7 He was paying me very well because I'd give him sex whenever he wanted," to which our client responded, "If he was paying her so well, why steal from her burger job in 2002?" So it's within our client's knowledge on January 6, 2015, and that is an additional reason why it should be admitted going to her state of mind or actual malice, as plaintiff likes to call it.
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+8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 Your Honor, with respect to the school records, the school records are what they are. They explain that she was in school during the entire time she claims that she was a sex slave, it gives her numbers of days of attendance, I don't understand why those records wouldn't be admitted in cross examination of her as to her whereabouts at certain occasions. Plaintiff certainly intends to introduce flight logs to show that she was or wasn't in certain places, so school records show where she was and wasn't on certain dates, and that's important, your Honor.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Moreover, plaintiff is the one who told Sharon Churcher about her own problems with school. She told Sharon Churcher, and Sharon Churcher published with her authorization that she went back to school to get her GED, and she wanted to study for massage. She talked about dropping out of school. Police records reflect the fact that she was a truant during this period of time, that her mother was concerned about her abusing drugs and alcohol. The school records intimately
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+1 2 intersect with the entire story that plaintiff has told about being a sex slave in the years 1999 to 2002.
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+3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Also, your Honor, they go to damages because plaintiff has claimed that she should be entitled to a certain amount of damages, and her own experts have talked about her being a troubled child. Again, this is something that they told their psychiatric expert, and he relied on finding that she was a troubled child, and then he's made inferences from there about why she should be entitled to certain damages, and I think the school records are a fair game for cross examination of him.
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 Motion in limine number 11, her bad childhood behavior. Again, your Honor, this is exactly -- plaintiff went in to see the psychiatrist, went in to see hers and our independent medical examiner, and in both cases she described all of her, quote/unquote, bad childhood behavior. So it goes to her damages, your Honor. They want to elicit what they want to elicit and keep us from eliciting anything that would contradict it.
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+19 20 21 22 23 But putting your reputation and your character in issue, as she has in this case, about the time when she was a child is necessarily a part of our cross examination to explain to a jury what her reputation at the time of the acts in question were.
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+24 25 She was a truant, reported to the schools as a truant, reported by her mother to the police, circulated with people in
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+1 2 3 4 5 the community out trying to find her, and she was known as such in her community. So to say somehow that we can't talk about her reputation for truth telling, her reputation for honesty at the time she was a child when she claims that she was the victim of sex abuse, is not supported by the law.
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+6 7 8 Plaintiff also cites to Sack on Defamation, and I believe the cite is 10, Section 5. And your Honor, I think this helps clarify a lot of what our position is in this case.
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 Sack believes, as we do, that it is entirely appropriate under 405(b) to question a plaintiff who has alleged defamation, whose reputation is an issue about all kinds of bad acts. They have said, just now, that there is just no reason we should be allowed to ask about all these other bad acts.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Sack cites, your Honor, to an Eleventh Circuit case, Schafer vs. Time, Inc. in that case, your Honor, Sack says the Eleventh Circuit found the district court had been correct when it ruled that the defendant, which allegedly accused the plaintiff of being a traitor, "would be permitted to question the plaintiff about a felony conviction, a possible violation of his subsequent parole, convictions for driving under the influence, an arrest for writing a bad check, failure to file tax returns, failure to pay alimony and child support, and evidence concerning plaintiff's efforts to change his name and social security number." In other words, once you put your
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+1 2 reputation at issue, all of these specific instances going to your honesty are fair game.
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+3 4 5 6 In this case, we have asked plaintiff whether she filed tax returns. She said, "No." Tax fraud is not a private matter, as plaintiff contends, it is a crime. It is a crime of dishonesty.
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+7 8 9 10 11 12 13 She likewise put into her complaint that her reputation was injured in her professional capacity as President of Victims Refuse Silence. We inquired whether Victims Refuse Silence was, indeed, a legitimate enterprise. We learned that they had not met their tax obligations and they had not been funded. That is, as your Honor knows, the subject of 702 motions, so I won't repeat it all here.
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+14 15 16 17 18 I will say, however, that both of those issues, failure to file tax returns and tax fraud, are exactly the kinds of evidence permissible under 405(b) when you are attempting to establish the truth of your statement that plaintiff is a liar.
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+19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Motion 14, evidence of being a victim of domestic violence. Your Honor, in this case, plaintiff claims \$30 million in pain, suffering, and emotional distress. Plaintiff's expert, Dr. Kliman, testified that domestic violence by her husband is likely a cause of exacerbation of her PTSD. He also testified it was a very violent episode and more likely happened more than once. He also testified that
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+1 2 3 she needs additional marital and sexual counseling based on her disinterest in sex, which she claims is caused by the defamatory statement.
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+4 5 6 7 8 Our expert, your Honor, likewise found that the far more likely cause of any dysfunction in her marriage which arose at the time of the domestic violence incident and was more likely the cause of any PTSD pain, suffering, or emotional distress that she was experiencing.
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+9 10 11 12 That domestic violence incident happened in early March, 2015, a couple of months after the allegedly defamatory statement, and seven months before plaintiff brought this lawsuit.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 19 The criminal proceedings against her husband also are relevant to her damages, apart from Dr. Kliman's testimony. Her husband was ordered to live away from their home, leaving her to care for her three children alone. He then stopped participating in the court-ordered domestic violence counseling, and he fled the country with an active arrest warrant that remains outstanding to this date from Colorado.
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+20 21 22 23 All of these alternative sources of emotional distress for plaintiff should be admitted, as her expert, Dr. Kliman, has testified, in as far as they impact supposed pain, suffering, loss of enjoyment of life.
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+24 25 Motion in limine number 15, any testimony that sex with a 17-year-old girl is, quote/unquote, lawful. Plaintiff 1 2 3 4 5 is the one who claims she had sex with various people at various places at various times, some when she was 17, some when she was 18, some when she was 19, some in Florida, some in England, some in New York, some in New Mexico. In all of those cases, except Florida, the age of consent is 17.
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+6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 I don't know what evidence plaintiff is going to introduce about what sex she had, where, with whom, and her age at that time because those sands have shifted dramatically during the course of this litigation. All I can say, your Honor, is, if she tries to introduce evidence that she had sex at a certain place and time and claimed that it was unlawful, your Honor will be duty bound to instruct a jury on what is or isn't lawful in a particular jurisdiction at a particular time in a particular place.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 Your Honor, I would submit that motion in limine 16 regarding the medical records, again, is something that depends dramatically on what plaintiff introduces during her case in chief, but there are many statements, as I mentioned earlier, to her doctors which would be admitted as nonhearsay if offered against her as party admission.
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+21 22 23 24 25 There are many statements over the last 15 years that relate to her mental condition, that relate to her medications. Do I anticipate asking about her ferret bite? I do not. Do I anticipate asking about the other things that are listed in her motion in limine? I do not. But I do believe that there are a 1 2 3 4 number of times that she saw doctors, made statements, sought treatment, got medications, all of which are reflected in her medical records and are something that about which she may be cross examined.
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+5 6 7 8 9 She claims her medical records are private. She is the one seeking S30 million in emotional distress, pain and suffering, and I think when you do that, I'm sure her lawyers advised her that her privacy rights with respect to her medical records would no longer be the same as a private individual.
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+10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 Your Honor, Motion in limine 17, again, the dollar value of the Jane Doe settlement depends entirely on what happens in terms of plaintiff's case in chief and whether any other evidence regarding the Jane Doe 102 litigation comes into evidence, because if it does, then the settlement and the settlement amount may very well become relevant, but I can't say right now how anyone intends to use that at trial, why it would be relevant, and I can't say whether or not the settlement amount would likewise be relevant.
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+19 20 21 22 Motion in limine 18, the Cassell- -Dershowitz litigation and their settlement. It's interesting to note Mr. Cassell to refer to himself in the third person when he was talking about that litigation.
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+23 24 25 Your Honor, there are a number -- I can count five reasons, at least, that that case is relevant to the facts in this case.
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+1 2 3 4 Plaintiff was a witness in that case. She was deposed in that case. She testified under oath in that case, represented by the same counsel that she has here. Her testimony in that case is admissible.
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+5 6 7 8 9 10 She participated in that case, your Honor, from March of 2015 or so until it settled in or around April of 2016, and she reported to her doctors that it was causing her a significant amount of stress. In fact, shortly before she was deposed in that case she went to a doctor and requested that she get more Valium to help her handle her upcoming deposition.
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+11 12 13 14 15 Dr. our psychiatrist, found that her participation in that lawsuit as a witness caused her significant stress and explained many of her complained of symptoms, and he said that they were exacerbated by her participation in that litigation.
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+16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Third, evidence regarding that lawsuit goes to her reputational damages. Again, your Honor, I refer to the federal evidence treatise relied on by plaintiff. In defamation cases, defendants can also prove other liables and rumors about the claimant are circulating, at least if they are widespread, to demonstrate it is not what the defendant said about the plaintiff that caused her reputation to suffer but what others said.
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+24 25 Your Honor has read the 702 pleadings. Plaintiff's experts have pulled off the internet all kinds of stories that
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 relate to plaintiff and said that those stories are evidence of her damaged reputation. When you look at the stories that actually were pulled off the internet, a substantial number of them relate to the Cassell---Dershowitz litigation; what happened in the litigation, statements made by the parties in the litigation, statements made about relevant to that litigation.
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+8 9 10 If her reputation is damaged by some other litigation that has nothing to do with Ms. Maxwell, Ms. Maxwell can't be responsible for that reputational damage.
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+11 12 THE COURT: What's your explanation of the damage caused to by the Dershowitz case?
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+13 MS. MENNINGER: I'm sorry?
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+14 15 16 THE COURT: I understand the testimony part. That's a different kind of thing. But the case itself, how does that damage her reputation?
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+17 18 MS. MENNINGER: It's the press attendant to that case, your Honor.
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+19 THE COURT: Okay. So the press attendant.
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. MENNINGER: There was a lot of press attendant to that case which was, frankly, negative to the plaintiff that had nothing do with Ms. Maxwell's denial. And their experts have relied on that press and claimed that that press somehow supports their claim for damages against Ms. Maxwell, even though she's not mentioned in the particular stories.
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+1 2 THE COURT: But how is that going to figure into damages in our case?
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+3 4 5 6 7 8 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I think the jury would be instructed here not to hold Ms. Maxwell responsible for any harm to plaintiff's reputation caused by third parties or alternate sources, including stories that were generated by statements made by her own counsel, by Alan Dershowitz, by Prince Andrew, by anyone else.
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+9 10 THE COURT: Well, yes. But what I'm trying to figure out, what about that case was damaging to
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+11 II. MENNINGER: I can't tell you that, your Honor.
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 It's actually plaintiffs who are asking for \$1.9 million in reputational cleanup costs, and when you ask them what reputational cleanup costs are you trying to clean up, they point to stories having to do with the Dershowitz litigation. They say her reputation was damaged by that litigation and by the stories related to it, and they want to push all of those stories down on the internet searches. Not stories that relate to Ms. Maxwell, stories that relate to her litigation with - her lawyer's litigation with Alan Dershowitz.
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+21 THE COURT: Okay.
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+22 23 24 MS. MENNINGER: I don't think that evidence should come in because I don't think it's based on science, but I realize that's not for today.
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+25 Likewise, your Honor, her failure to sue Alan
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+1 2 3 Dershowitz, although he's gone on all of these other shows and called her a liar after she said she had sex with him seven times, goes to her failure to mitigate any of her damages.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Finally, your Honor, there is, as you heard from Mr. Cassell, talking about Cassell lawsuit, a statement issued that that lawsuit was a mistake. Whether her attorneys have made representations, they did so while they were representing plaintiff. This was while Mr. Cassell and Mr. were both pursuing their own lawsuit and also representing plaintiff in this case. So any statements that they issued that are within the scope of their agency, your Honor, are representations, frankly, made by plaintiff.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 19 With regard to the Judge Marra order, motion in limine 19, your Honor, plaintiff would like to make a lot of arguments now. She's already litigated those points. She lost. She's collaterally estopped from reraising them. And it would be seriously misleading, your Honor, to admit the joinder motion and not inform the jury that a judge found that the allegations contained in that joinder motion were impertinent.
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 Motion in limine 20, Rebecca Boylan. They said she's not been deposed. She was a disclosed witness. They said she's not going to be a witness. Well, we'll see. Your Honor, I don't think this is the appropriate time to raise this issue. It's not an appropriate motion in limine. I know what the rules of evidence are with regard to hearsay and double
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+2 3 4 5 6 That's also true, your Honor, largely with respect to the rest of the motions. They are asking for an advisory opinion from this Court about things that may or may not happen. Your Honor, I just don't see the need to waste more time on it.
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+7 8 9 10 11 There is only one issue, the one raised in 28 where we have presented the possibility that as the party that bears the burden of proof, we would be allowed during closing arguments, for example, to comment on the lack of proof, which is a common closing argument.
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+12 13 14 15 16 If they have control over a party and that party doesn't come and testify, we may, under the appropriate circumstances and with the right foundation, ask for a missing witness instruction, your Honor, but these are all advisory questions at this point.
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+17 18 19 20 MS. McCAWLEY: Your Honor, Sigrid McCawley on behalf of the plaintiff. Would the Court like to take a break at this point? I know we've gone for a couple hours. I'm not sure how you'd like to proceed. We're happy to address
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+21 THE COURT: Let's finish.
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+22 MS. McCAWLEY: Let's finish. Okay, great. Thank you.
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+23 MR. CASSELL: Paul Cassell, your Honor, for
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+25 The defense started with an overview of Rule 405(b),
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+2 3 They reference Mueller and Kirkpatrick, a treatise that we think is very instructive on this particular point.
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+4 5 6 7 8 Mueller and Kirkpatrick says, "It is true that in a defamation case there is more latitude to introducing reputational types of evidence. However, it's important to remember, say Mueller and Kirkpatrick, that actual character is not so much the question as reputation."
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+9 10 11 And it follows that "specific instances of misconduct cannot be proved if they were not generally known because then they would not affect reputation."
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 They go on to say that, "When a defendant's proof goes to specific instances under 405(b), caution from the judge is in order. Proving misbehavior can, in effect, become a game of character assassination that adds insult to injury which courts can block by carefully considering relevancy issues and the rule against unfair prejudice found in Rule 403." And so it is against that backdrop that the Court should be considering these 405 issues.
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+20 21 22 What I would like to do is offer three illustrations of what I think is going to be a pervasive flaw in many of the arguments advanced by the defense.
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+23 24 25 So we heard that, "Your Honor, look under 405(b). The fact that the mother -- plaintiff's mother described her as a liar about using drugs and running away from home, that comes
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+1 2 3 in to show reputation." Let me explain why I believe that argument is fundamentally flawed, and that will, of course, carry over to other illustrations, as well.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 The statement to which defense counsel was referring was a statement that mother made during a deposition as a witness in this case where the only people in the room were the court reporter and the attorneys. The fact that when asked, "What did you think of your daughter 17 years ago? Well, I thought at the time that she was a liar," wasn't something that goes to no evidence anybody knew about it other than, you know, the reputation because there's mother who is now being deposed in 2016.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 19 Moreover, the question was, "What did you think about the fact that your then 17-year-old child was running away from school? Well, I thought she was lying to me about that." That would go, I guess, to her reputation back in, what, 1999, 2000, 2001, that time period, but of course the damages that are at issue in this case are damages around 2016 and thereabouts when the defamatory statement is released.
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 So it's hard to see even an argument for the statement of the mom in a deposition going to reputation. I don't know, maybe I'm missing something, maybe there's some marginal relevance that can be distilled out of all of that. But of course then your Honor has to weigh whatever marginal value that has as to reputational issues against the very significant
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+2 3 Obviously, this is going to be considered by the jury to think she's a bad kid. They're not going to like
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+4 5 6 7 and they're going to hold it against her, not because it has some technical reputational aspect to it, but because it is something that shows she's a bad person. Under 403, the evidence should be excluded.
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+8 9 10 11 12 Let me give you a second illustration of reputational points. They say, "Ah-ha, look. went to Dr. Kliman," and I believe your Honor referred to that as well. And your Honor asked, I think, a very good question, and let me see if I can answer that question.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 You said, "Well, why did she disclose all this stuff to Dr. Kliman?" Well, the answer is obvious, she was under instructions from the doctor to tell everything that happened, and of course she told, to the best of her ability, everything that happened. Some of the stuff is going to turn out in a court of law to be relevant, some of this stuff in a court of law is going to turn out to be irrelevant. But that's not the psychiatrist's job to say, 'No, no, no, don't talk about illegal drug use because the prejudicial effect outweighs the probative value,' he just gets a full medical history. And having collected all that information, you know, through Dr. Kliman, or they also have Dr. who did a similar sort of thing. Now once you have all of this vast array of
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+1 2 3 4 5 information, then the lawyers present arguments to your Honor and say, 'Wait a minute. Some of the things that are in the report aren't relevant to the case and, in fact, are going to be highly prejudicial for the jury.' That's why we're here this morning asking for some of those things to be excluded.
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+6 7 8 9 10 11 12 For example, there are some references -- I won't belabor the point -- but the references that we're making to some of the illegal drug usage and so forth, that's not something we're trying to deploy affirmatively. The good doctor simply listed all of the information that had been recited as part of his report so that the lawyers and the judge can now make a determination.
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+13 14 15 16 And the fact that told Dr. Kliman in a confidential psychiatric examination certain things about drug use can't possibly go to her reputation because no one was there who was assessing what kinds of things might be going on.
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+17 18 19 20 21 A similar point can be made about tax fraud. We're told, "Well, your Honor, tax fraud goes to her reputation." I suppose that goes to her reputation with some IRS agent who is looking at a return, but it can't possibly go to a general reputation that is at issue in this case.
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+22 23 24 25 And once again, the cases that we cite in our briefs I think make this point clear, there is a vast risk of prejudicial effect to because the jury is going to think, II, she's a tax cheat, and they're going to hold that
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+1 2 against her because they don't like her actions in that particular circumstance as opposed to the merits of the case.
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+3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 And by the way, we are going to strongly contest that she's a tax cheat, so your Honor is going to have, I guess, competing tax information, and jury instructions on whether personal injury returns have to be reported on your return, all of which is going to deflect the jury's time and attention, not to mention the Court's and counsel's, away from the fundamental issue of did Ms. Maxwell defame So that's our response to the initial overview regarding 405, and I'm going to turn the time over to my colleague now to dive into some specifics.
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+13 14 15 MS. McCAWLEY: Thank you, your Honor. I'm going try to keep this very brief and just touch on some of the highlights quickly.
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+16 17 18 19 20 21 So we were talking initially at the beginning about the issue of various pieces of different witnesses, whether their information would come in, and we hit on the issue - they brought up the issue of Mr. Freeh, and actually gave you -- told you that he was going to be just somebody who was going to sit on the stand and validate the FOIA response.
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+22 23 24 25 Well, very clear from the documents they've produced in this case, if I could hand them up, your Honor, this is the pages that they produced with respect to Mr. Freeh. And you'll see on the first page, he gives his conclusion and he says,
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+1 2 3 4 5 "Based on my experience, knowledge, and duties of these protocols in the USS Protective Details of Special Agents, a company escorting Mr. Clinton" -- so he is relying on his expertise as a former FBI head in order to opine on whether or not these records are correct, your Honor.
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+6 7 8 9 10 They disclosed him as a lay witness in this case, not an as an expert witness. We went through a series -- as you know your Honor, you've seen all the expert depositions in this case that we've had. They say, "Well, you could have deposed him as a lay witness."
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 17 Your Honor, will remember, we were very limited. We were limited to ten depos. We had to beg, borrow, and steal to get a few more, and we had to be very careful in who we picked and chose with respect to establishing our claims. If we had known, of course, that Mr. Freeh was going to be put on the stand as an expert in this case, we, of course, would have sought his deposition through the expert process.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 24 So, your Honor, I think those documents speak for themselves. They're very clear, that's GM00526, where he's giving that clear opinion. The letter is sent to Mr. Dershowitz and he signs it, and then it has the relevant attachments. So, your Honor, we firmly believe that that should be kept out of evidence because he was not disclosed properly as an expert in this case.
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+25 The other thing I want to point your attention to is
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+1 2 3 another document that they gave you, and I think this document is really telling for what it doesn't say, and that's the email traffic.
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+4 5 6 Right after -- a few days after she makes the defamatory statement, she's conversing with Alan Dershowitz about this statement. And this is GM0006 through 00015.
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+7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 What's really interesting about this is nowhere in this statement does she say, 'I didn't participate in this abuse. I didn't know this person. I wasn't around. This didn't happen with JE.' Instead, she picks statements and says things like -- which sound like a jealous girlfriend -- she says, "I called Jeffrey and told him I've fallen madly in love, Virginia says. I was hoping he'd be delighted, but he said, "Have a nice life" and hung up on me." And she puts in parens to Mr. Dershowitz, "Did she want Jeffrey to say no, don't do it, I want to marry you?"
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+17 18 19 Clearly, she knows -- while during her deposition she claimed to not recollect my client whatsoever, she clearly knows her and this shows that they were together.
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 It's also interesting, if you look on page 0008, because she's putting in parens individuals, other people that my client was lent out to that they forgot to mention in the list that they give. I mean, what's really telling about this document is what it doesn't say, but it clearly shows she knew my client, she knew what was occurring, and she's simply trying 1 2 3 to pick apart nuances in the statement. So, your Honor, I submit that to you for what it doesn't say from Ms. Maxwell since they've provided that to you today.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 There are a few more things that I just want to touch on that I think need to be clarified, and that is, with respect to -- there was this mention about newspaper articles, and as you know we've submitted an expert who analyzed through his web analytics, he's the same expert that was in the Anders case who followed that video of the Fox reporter over the internet and tracked that he uses a well-accepted methodology. We've set that forth all in our papers.
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 But he tracked the specific quoted statements, your Honor. And if they have an issue, if they want to say, they're proposing today that these articles related to the Dershowitz matter, that's subject for cross examination of him if they want, but he has a very clear methodology, and those articles that he tracked were in that manner, your Honor, so I just want to make that point since they raised it. I know we're not discussing the experts in detail today, but I did ask that question.
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+21 22 23 24 25 So your Honor, in just summarizing on those points, I think we made clear in our opening argument why we believe that this shouldn't be subject to a number of mini trials on a variety of these issues, we're hoping to streamline this matter, and that's why we proposed this motion in limine to you
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+2 3 I'm just going to let my counsel address any final issues.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 : Your Honor, I don't have anything further to say on motion in limine number 6. The defendant has not given any valid reason or justification for introducing any evidence of prior sexual assault that should be excluded for all the reasons in the brief and the oral argument over these two days.
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+10 11 12 13 14 With regard to drugs, there are voluminous medical records presented here. Defendant's counsel has stood up and said there are false statements to doctors and have suggested that is doctor shopping. I'll submit that the records do not reflect that.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 Defendant apparently seeks to introduce a jotted down note here or there from medical records, but these are plainly hearsay, and a sentence fragment in the middle of a medical chart is not admissible evidence, it's hearsay. And then, they're certainly not a party admission, they don't even reflect the totality of what the conversation is between patient and doctor.
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+22 23 24 25 Also, I would also submit that the prescription records show that they are not doctor shopping to a mass amounts of pills or medication. The prescription records speak for themselves. You can count the number of pills that were
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 prescribed over a period of time, and you'll understand that this is not a situation of someone being a drugee and doctor shopping, something that's in the news a lot these days. So trying to submit it that way is not only irrelevant to this case, but the prejudice greatly outweighs whatever probative value it might be. would not, of course, object to testifying with regard to what current medication she takes, but that's a different subject altogether.
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 15 With regard to criminal history, as I mentioned, denied that she stole the money. She said her boyfriend took the money while he was there with her. And defense counsel reminded Court that this victim is a thief. Again, none of this information comes in under the Federal Rules of Evidence. Even the charging document and the warrant are classic hearsay and should be excluded.
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+16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 With regard to the next one, I'm going to skip ahead to school records. The records don't show that she was in school, as much as defendant seems to think she is. They don't have also what days she attended and what days she doesn't. It doesn't say that she was there on, for example, May 23rd, 2000. What they do show is that there are no courses taken between 1999 and the 2000 school year, and no courses taken during the 2000 to 2001 school years.
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+24 25 Ms. Giuffer's attempt to work and resume school at another school as as a tenth grader in the 2001 to 2002 school
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+1 2 3 4 5 year was limited to a portion of the school year starting October 20th, 2001, ending only in March 7th, 2002, which only further substantiates testimony that at one point she attempted to get away from defendant's abuse, along with - and Mr. testified to the same.
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+6 7 8 9 So again, I would also reiterate that her reputation as a child for being a truant or a runaway is not what is at issue in this case. She is a 30-something-year-old woman and did not have a reputation related to her school attendance.
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+10 11 12 There is also in this case zero evidence of her not-for-profit being a tax fraud. It's not funded and it's in compliance with United States tax rules.
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+13 14 15 16 17 Additionally, has produced volumes of papers of tax returns filed with the Australian government, the country where she has predominantly resided since she was 19 years old. And that's all I'm going to say for that, to keep it brief.
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+18 19 20 MR. CASSELL: Your Honor, I'm just going to address all of the points that -- I'll just take very few minutes here, with your permission.
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+21 22 23 So on point number 7 that I addressed, the issue of slut, it seems like we're in agreement that that should be a term that's not used.
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+24 25 The debate was over the term "prostitute". Again, Dr. Esplin, their own expert, you can see in the 702 motions, he
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+2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 The only -- let me be clear. If there's some document that has the word "prostitute" in it, we're not suggesting that then it would be -- if that document is in evidence and the use of that word is appropriate and admissible and relevant, we're not saying that that has to be redacted. But the only example they gave is there's some comments in some internet chat room somewhere, we're not sure exactly how they're going to authenticate those, there's no evidence has heard of those, so as you say, we can take that up at the time. But we would ask that defense counsel be instructed, and their witnesses be instructed, not to use that term unless it appears in a particular document.
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+14 15 16 With regard to item 14, this is the domestic violence issue. And they say, look, it has relevance because it shows an alternative cause of emotional distress damages.
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+17 18 19 20 21 22 Our position is primarily based on Rule 403. We conceded, I think, that there's some arguable chain of relevance that perhaps could be teased out here, but let's understand, this domestic violence incident took place in March, 2015, and the statement at issue that caused the worldwide reputational damages was launched in January of 2015.
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+23 24 25 So the relevance here is marginal, and ultimately the question your Honor has to, of course, sort out is the prejudicial effect. There wasn't any response that I heard
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 from defense counsel about a blame the victim mindset that the jury would very well adopt once they heard that staying with her husband is a victim of domestic violence. So your Honor has in front of it, I think, essentially uncontested evidence, or at least uncontested argument of substantial prejudicial effect that will exist that tips decisively in favor of excluding this, particularly when they get to subjects like criminal proceedings. We're going to then get into what is the scope of the protective order if they live in Australia and things like that. That's far afield from any effect on emotional distress damages.
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Item 15 has to do the 17-year-old, 16-year-old, 15-year-old. I think we have agreement from both sides that sex with a 17-year-old is unlawful under the age of consent statute that exists in Florida, and we'll be asking either to cover that through an expert witness or through a jury instruction. But they say, II, what if she's flown to New Mexico? The age of consent there might be different. And this is where I believe your Honor can take a close look at the expert witness on sex trafficking, the 702 motion is currently pending in front of you, Professor Terry Conan, who is at the Florida State Trafficking Institute, and we've offered him as an expert witness.
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+24 25 If you take a 17-year-old from Florida, fly her to New Mexico for sexual purposes, it makes no difference what the age 1 2 of consent is at that point because you have a federal sex trafficking crime that has been committed.
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+3 4 5 6 7 8 9 The same thing is true if you fly a 17-year-old into London, or if you fly her into New York. All of those are sex trafficking crimes, and Professor Conan is prepared to explain both that particular aspect, I would describe it as a mixed question of fact and law, and also some of the psychological techniques that are used to create the -- I think he refers to them as the invisible chains of sex traffickers.
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+10 11 12 13 So we either have a crime in Florida, because she's under the age of consent, or we have a federal or, in all likelihood, state trafficking offense if she's flown to another state.
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+14 15 16 Which regard to item 18, the Cassell and litigation, I think your Honor asked some excellent questions on that.
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+17 18 19 20 21 22 We were told that there are five reasons why connection to that case has some relevance. The first argument, I guess, is their strongest argument, was that, well, she was a witness in that case. But, of course, that was a confidential deposition, so it couldn't have anything to do with reputational damages or something else.
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+23 24 25 Let me be clear. made statements when she was deposed, and if they say, ah-hah, you've said X from the witness stand, but last year when you were deposed you said not
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+1 2 X, fair enough, cross examine her about it, inconsistent statement. We're not objecting to that aspect of that.
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+3 4 5 6 7 What we don't want is the lawsuit itself and the circumstances surrounding the lawsuit to be paraded in front of jury. If they simply want to put in a deposition statement to stay it's inconsistent, and that's properly done, of course, that would be appropriate.
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+8 9 10 11 Their second point is, she participated for a period of time. I guess she participated if you're subpoenaed as a witness and testified, but that wasn't -- you know, she wasn't a party to the case.
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 Their third point was that the reputational damages somehow link into what Dershowitz was saying. Again, your Honor already knows our point one is to keep out Mr. Dershowitz from the case, and you'll make a ruling one way or the other on it. If he's kept out of the case then this becomes a moot point. But even if you decide he's in the case, well, okay, fine. Have him testify and do whatever else you think is appropriate. We don't need to hear all about this unrelated lawsuit.
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+21 22 23 24 25 Their fourth point had to do with, I believe, you know, damages suffered by . Your question was, if I'm -- I don't have the transcript in front of me -- I think you said, well, how does the case itself go to damages? And I believe this is a direct quote from Ms. Menninger. "I can't
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+1 2 3 tell you that." So even the defense counsel when given an opportunity to articulate the relevance failed to do so, in our view.
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+4 5 6 7 8 She says -- then her next argument is, well, the plaintiff's experts are using Dershowitz's statements. As you know from the 702 pleadings, no, we're using Maxwell's statements. We're only going to be proving a case about what Maxwell's defamation did to
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 And then the last argument was that there was a failure to mitigate damages by suing Dershowitz. Well, your Honor knows, if a person A commits a defamation, you sue A and you get your damages. Then if person B does something, you sort that out in a separate proceeding in a separate way. Sacks and others are very instructive on that.
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+15 16 17 18 The last point they made was that, well, look, these statements were going on while Cassell and were representing her. They've shown simultaneity in time, but not simultaneity in the scope.
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+19 20 21 22 23 24 It is true that the lawsuit was settled, and I won't refer to myself in the third person. Mr. and I settled the lawsuit and made certain statements in connection with that, but that was to take care of our own professional reputation and the lawsuit associated with that, it had nothing to do with representing
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+25 I believe I have two left, your Honor, and you've been
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+1 2 extremely patient. Let me just take two more minutes to cover point 19. This is Judge Marra's ruling.
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+3 4 5 6 They say we want to put it in that she lost. Well, in our view, actually, that was a victory. Our goal was to try to get her into the case, and Judge Marra ruled that she could participate by being a witness.
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+7 8 9 10 11 12 Now, are we really going to try the implications of Judge Marra's ruling in a pro bono Crime Victims Rights Act organization ruling? He ruled on this, but allowed this other thing. It's highly, first, irrelevant, and obviously, highly prejudicial in the sense that it's going to divert the jury's attention away from the facts at hand here.
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+13 14 15 16 And again, Judge Marra only ruled on the first of nine reasons that we offered for putting those allegations in. He said point 1 doesn't work, the others we'll see how things play out.
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+17 18 19 20 The litigation is moving forward. I can tell you the government will be responding to our summary judgment motion, I believe on May 15th. we'll be replying on July 15th, so the litigation continues.
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+21 22 23 24 The last point that I'll make is Boylan. This is item 20. Remember, Dershowitz is going to say that Boylan says that said certain things. And we were told that, well, maybe she will be a witness.
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+25 It's my understanding that Boylan is not on the final
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+1 2 3 pretrial witness list. Maybe during a break I can confirm that. But if she's not on the witness list, we've got double hearsay and it can't come in.
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+4 5 6 7 8 The last point I would leave you with, your Honor, is many of these issues are going to come down to balancing. They're of minimal relevance for the reasons we've explained, very significant prejudice, and we would ask that each of the motions in limine we've asked today be granted.
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+9 10 11 THE COURT: Thank you. We'll resume at 1:30, and I guess, unless you all think it's been covered, the Maxwell motions. What do you think?
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+12 MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, I would --
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+13 THE COURT: Would you rather catch your plane?
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+14 15 16 17 MR. PAGLIUCA: No. I'm prepared to stay until tomorrow, your Honor. I'm not leaving until tomorrow morning, just in case you need me this afternoon. I'm sure you're thrilled about that.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 24 I think, your Honor, when I went through these, it seems to me that we have dealt with number 679, 716, in connection with 683, 742, and 774. That deals with the Rodriguez, we call it the unauthenticated hearsay document from a suspect source. They call it the black book. I think the Court heard argument about all of that and, in my view, this does not all need to be repeated today.
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+25 Yesterday, we talked about the -- I can't remember the
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+1 2 name of it, but it was the plaintiff's motion, sort of omnibus related to different acts either under 404(b) or 415.
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+3 4 5 6 7 8 The plaintiff wanted until 15 days before trial to make whatever showing they wanted. It would make sense - well, in defendant's 404(b) motion, there are some of those issues, as well. We certainly could argue part of that. The Court may want to defer that to the entirety of when we have whatever the supplement is to that motion yesterday.
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+9 10 11 12 13 Then we also, I believe, dealt with yesterday the issue related to the Jane Doe 102 complaint. We have a competing motion on that. That's 663. It seems to me that was argued yesterday, and we don't need to repeat those arguments, which is the same argument we had yesterday.
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+14 15 16 17 So in my view, your Honor, that leaves the bifurcated trial motion, which has been fully briefed, the and issue, and the police report issue. So by my count, we have those three.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 I also have on my calendar that our motion to preclude -- or the plaintiff's motion to preclude calling attorneys as witnesses, which is 685 and 772, and by my calendaring the reply was due yesterday. I think Ms. McCawley has a different version of that, and so frankly, I don't care whether we hear that today or some other time.
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+24 25 So that's my accounting of what we have ripe for argument today, or shouldn't have argument today, as the case
+
+ (Discussion held off the record)
+
+ THE COURT: We'll resume at 1:30.
+
+ (Luncheon recess)
+
+ (Continued on next page)
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+1:30 p.m.
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+THE COURT: Who's up? I think the defense?
+
+MR. PAGLIUCA: Yes, your Honor. I think requested that we take up No. 666 at this point, which we're happy to do.
+
+THE COURT:
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+II. MENNINGER: Your Honor, this motion relates to our request that we exclude evidence barred as a consequence of plaintiff's summary judgment concessions. We asked in argument 4 of our summary judgment motion for partial summary judgment with respect to the oral statement on January 4th to a reporter.
+
+THE COURT: Hold the phone.
+
+MS. MENNINGER: Sure.
+
+THE COURT: Sorry. Needless to say, I'm drowning.
+
+Ah, okay. Okay. Sorry. Yes.
+
+MS. MENNINGER: We asked for partial summary judgment with respect to our client's statement on a New York street that, "I am referring to the statement that we made." As we set forth in our summary judgment brief, this Court's ruling in Adelson v. Harris is directly on point, that a mere reference to another writing that contains defamatory statements does not constitute an actionable repetition or republication. In that case, in Adelson, there was, first, an allegedly defamatory
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 statement and later a press release which said, we stand by everything we said. It's directly on point. Your Honor there held that such republication is not actionable. We set forth that clearly in our argument 4 of the summary judgment motion, and plaintiff, in her response to summary judgment, made absolutely no reference, no response, nothing with respect to that argument. We, therefore, believe that she has conceded the point and we would ask that no evidence regarding that statement be entered in the trial.
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+10 11 12 13 14 15 We predicted, and we were correct, that having not argued it in response to our summary judgment motion, they would try to use the opportunity of their response to this motion in limine to make substantive arguments. They should not be permitted to do so, your Honor. In any event, their arguments that they have set forth in response --
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+16 17 18 THE COURT: I'm a little lost. Perhaps totally lost. But the partial summary judgment, that's not been dealt with, or has it?
+
+19 20 MS. MENNINGER: It was not part of your Honor's ruling, no.
+
+21 22 THE COURT: Tell me the context of the summary judgment.
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+23 24 25 MS. MENNINGER: Certainly, your Honor. There were a number of things that we believed plaintiff had conceded because they failed to respond to our requests in our summary 1 2 3 judgment motion. Your Honor ruled against us on a couple of points, but your Honor was silent with respect to this particular argument, argument No. 4 --
+
+4 THE COURT: Ah.
+
+5 MS. MENNINGER: -- in your ruling.
+
+6 THE COURT: And that was?
+
+7 8 MS. MENNINGER: Our plaintiff's statement two days after the --
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+9 THE COURT: The one on the street.
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+10 11 12 MS. MENNINGER: Exactly. That in that statement, our client said, we stand by the statement, or, I am referring to the statement that we made.
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+13 14 15 THE COURT: Yes, yes, yes. Okay. I'm just trying to figure it out. So in a very nice, polite way, you're telling me I failed to deal with that motion of yours.
+
+16 MS. MENNINGER: That's correct, your Honor.
+
+17 THE COURT: So it's still out there.
+
+18 19 20 21 MS. MENNINGER: Still out there. There was no response by plaintiff to that argument is our point; that in their response to summary judgment, they didn't mention it at all.
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+22 THE COURT: Well, that's probably where I missed it.
+
+23 24 25 MS. MENNINGER: Exactly. So I think the fact that they failed to respond to it then, as your Honor has held in other cases, has consequences; namely, it's a conceded point.
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+2 3 THE COURT: What was the point, that that was not another defamation?
+
+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 MS. MENNINGER: Exactly In the case of Adelson v. Harris, just like in this case, there was one allegedly defamatory statement afterwards. There was a press release issued that stated, we stand by everything we said. Those facts are very similar to ours, where there was a written statement issued and then our client, did she or did she not republish that, is that a separate defamatory event.
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+11 12 13 THE COURT: Okay. Thank you very much. Now, at least in this little small part of this dispute, I know where I am. Okay. Thanks.
+
+14 15 16 17 18 19 20 MS. MENNINGER: And the Adelson case, your Honor, controls and says that referring back to a statement, such as a previous press release, is not actionable, and summary judgment has been granted on such alleged republications. So now, in this motion in limine, is not the time to be dealing with the substantive point that plaintiff basically conceded during summary judgment.
+
+21 Thank you.
+
+22 23 Hi, your Honor. Meredith
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+24 25 This motion in limine has already been decided by this Court's summary judgment order, thereby rendering it moot in
+
+1 2 its entirety. Accordingly it should be summarily denied as moot.
+
+3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 This motion should also be denied because it advances the exact same arguments defendant advanced in her summary judgment motion. She is seeking rehearing on her summary judgment motion, dressed up as a motion in limine. Many courts in this district have summarily denied motions in limine that seek to relitigate arguments from summary judgment, and I have listed six such cases on pages 7 and 8 of our response in opposition. You ordered nine defendant's motions for summary judgment. This Court rejects the argument that she should have partial summary judgment on the January 4th statement. The last sentence of that order states, "Because of the existence of triable issues of material fact rather than opinion and because the prelitigation privilege is inapplicable, the motion for summary judgment is denied." Defendant's reiteration of her defamatory press release confirming it two days later is something that this Court did not rule that that is not actionable. So she's seeking rehearing.
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 Also importantly, your Honor, opposed summary judgment on defendant's defamation in its entirety. She opposed the motion for summary judgment in its entirety, and this statement, as part and parcel of defendant's defamation and part and parcel of defendant's motion for summary judgment.
+
+1 2 THE COURT: Well, what do you say about the case that's been cited?
+
+3 4 5 6 : Well, about Adelson? I would say that it's factually distinguished because here she is two days later reiterating her defamatory statement. And I would also direct you to the case in my brief, Wheelings v. Iacuone.
+
+7 THE COURT: Let me just get the time frame right.
+
+8 : Sure.
+
+9 10 THE COURT: The initial statement is January, and when is this?
+
+11 12 13 14 : So, your Honor, the email that went to the media, it was first issued on January 2, 2015; it was published on January 3, 2015; and the statement took place the next day, on January 4, 2015.
+
+15 THE COURT: Okay.
+
+16 17 18 19 : A recent opinion in this district, the Wheelings case, makes it clear that you can't reargue summary judgment on a motion in limine and also makes it clear that you can't say, II, because one person --
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+20 21 THE COURT: The issue is, was the second statement defamatory?
+
+22 23 24 : I think that was an issue at summary judgment that opposed in its entirety, and I think that's already been resolved.
+
+25 THE COURT: How?
+
+2 THE COURT: The motion was -- well, okay.
+
+3 4 5 6 : Your Honor, even assuming, arguendo, that this is not cause of action, it should still be admitted as evidence. This is a motion in limine to exclude it as evidence.
+
+7 8 9 THE COURT: All right. Assume for the moment that the case that counsel has given me is accurate, and then why would it get in? What does it add?
+
+10 11 : It adds state of mind, defendant's state of mind in issuing --
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+12 13 THE COURT: The state of mind didn't change in two days.
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+14 15 : Right. It says that she stood by her statement and did not retract it.
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+16 17 THE COURT: Well, she certainly is standing by it today.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 24 And your Honor, it shows one other thing. Throughout this litigation defendant has tried to argue that defendant had nothing to do with the defamatory statements. In fact, just yesterday defendant's counsel was saying that it was issued by her lawyer and by her press agent. It's her statement, and in this video she is personally owning it, and she can't hide behind her lawyer or her press agent.
+
+25 THE COURT: II, okay, okay, okay.
+
+1 2 : So it goes to a material argument that defendants have advanced.
+
+3 4 5 THE COURT: So to the extent that becomes an issue, and that's a whole other thing, as to whether she intended the statement, I can see that.
+
+6 Okay. All right. Anything else?
+
+7 8 9 10 11 : Yes. I'm just going to say that this is a motion in limine and there are no evidentiary problems with this piece of evidence. This is the defendant herself on camera, this is not hearsay, and there's no Federal Rule of Evidence that should exclude this.
+
+12 THE COURT: Okay. Do you want to add anything?
+
+13 MS. MENNINGER: No, thank you, your Honor.
+
+14 THE COURT: Okay. Thank you.
+
+15 What else?
+
+16 17 18 MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, we can take up the bifurcation issue that's presented in 662 and 766, and then there was a reply filed last evening.
+
+19 THE COURT: Yes.
+
+20 21 22 MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, I think -- well, I don't think. The law is very clear on this issue in this circuit. There is a --
+
+23 THE COURT: Well, I think we can shorthand this.
+
+24 MR. PAGLIUCA: Yes.
+
+25 THE COURT: Yes, yes. Maxwell's money doesn't come in
+
+2 MR. PAGLIUCA: That is my position, your Honor.
+
+3 4 THE COURT: I think that's correct. Tell me why that's wrong.
+
+5 MR. CASSELL: All right. Thank you, your Honor.
+
+6 7 8 9 The problem, as usual, is, yeah, her net worth doesn't come in at the liability stage, but I think the defendant is trying to get the camel's nose under the tent and say, II, if financial issues don't come in, then you can't --
+
+10 11 12 13 THE COURT: Well, I don't know what financial issues you mean. He's saying no introduction of her finances -- that is, how much money she's got or where it comes from or anything like that comes in.
+
+14 15 MR. CASSELL: As I understand the motion, it's with reference to her "financial status."
+
+16 17 THE COURT: Well, I just told you what I think that means.
+
+18 19 20 MR. CASSELL: Right. And I think, with the construction that you were just giving, I'm not sure that we're concerned about this, but let me be clear.
+
+21 THE COURT: What would you like to present?
+
+22 23 24 25 MR. CASSELL: There were three or so things we would like to present. If your Honor rules that tax compliance can go to her credibility, then we would like to be able to reciprocally say, all right, then Ms. Maxwell's tax
+
+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 compliance, if there is questions about that, could be introduced. We think that there shouldn't be tax compliance issues coming in with regard to . They've said, well, that goes to her credibility. What's good for should be good for the defendant. But again, to be clear, we don't want to turn this into a tax trial; we want it to be a defamation trial. But they've made an argument, tax issues are relevant to . Then we would like to have a parallel opportunity then with respect to Ms. Maxwell.
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+10 11 12 13 14 The other thing we have, for example, we're alleging there's a organization that is paying girls to give sex to Epstein. And who's making the payments? Well, Ms. Maxwell, among others. We have her on bank records, at the Epstein mansion, where she's in charge of the --
+
+15 THE COURT: Well, that's different.
+
+16 MR. CASSELL: Yes, and that's exactly --
+
+17 THE COURT: That's not her financial status.
+
+18 19 20 21 22 23 MR. CASSELL: Right. So that's not her financial status. For example, we want to show those kinds of payments. We also want to show more broadly that and the other girls were not coming into a bungalow in the middle of Hoboken or whatever. They were coming into a mansion in one of the most --
+
+24 25 THE COURT: Well, that's got nothing to do with her financial status.
+
+1 2 3 4 MR. CASSELL: All right. Well, we thought, when we filed our response, they continued to oppose it. If they had just stipulated, you know, I wouldn't be taking your Honor's time.
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+5 6 7 8 But this is where I think they're taking a narrow uncontested principle, that her net worth doesn't come in, and are going to try to use it to exclude evidence that Ms. Maxwell is making payments to the girls, that this mansion is a very --
+
+9 THE COURT: Well, okay. I don't think so.
+
+10 11 MR. CASSELL: Let me just make sure that I have on the table the things that we want to introduce.
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+12 13 14 15 For example, Mr. Epstein purchased a helicopter for Ms. Maxwell, and they might say, II, well, that shows financial status or something. We think that shows a very close connection.
+
+16 17 18 Well, the last one and perhaps the most controversial one in connection with this case is the townhouse. It is our belief that a --
+
+19 20 THE COURT: Well, wait a minute. What's the basis of your belief?
+
+21 22 23 MR. CASSELL: The basis for our belief is, I believe they've conceded that there was a sale of a \$17 million townhouse in 2016.
+
+24 THE COURT: Okay. Is it the defendant's townhouse?
+
+25 MR. CASSELL: Yes. So the question is --
+
+1 2 3 THE COURT: So that's part of her net worth. I mean, that's part of the financial part. I don't see how that gets into the liability case.
+
+4 5 MR. CASSELL: Right. So Epstein was the one who provided the loan to get that --
+
+6 THE COURT: Says who?
+
+7 8 9 MR. CASSELL: Ms. McCawley, who took Maxwell's deposition, is advising me that during Maxwell's deposition, she conceded that.
+
+10 11 12 THE COURT: Well, all right. Okay. But that isn't financial information. That's the relationship between Maxwell and Epstein.
+
+13 14 15 MR. CASSELL: Right. I think you and I are on the same page. My concern is that we may, as on other issues, may not be on the same page with the defendant.
+
+16 THE COURT: I don't think so, but maybe I'm wrong.
+
+17 18 19 20 21 MR. CASSELL: There's one other point, if I can just be heard on the townhouse. The townhouse was sold at a time shortly after Ms. Maxwell is discussing with her advisers, hey, I could get sued for libel. We believe that transferring \$17 million outside the jurisdiction of your Honor --
+
+22 23 THE COURT: Tell me about that after you've got a verdict.
+
+24 25 MR. CASSELL: All right. But we want to introduce it during the trial to show consciousness of guilt, that she is
+
+|
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+1 2 transferring assets away from the jurisdiction of the court because --
+
+3 THE COURT: She sold the house.
+
+4 5 MR. CASSELL: Right. After she wrote an email that said, hey, I could get --
+
+6 7 THE COURT: You can't argue, I don't think, that that's an admission.
+
+8 9 MR. CASSELL: We believe it goes to consciousness of guilt, and we've cited a case in our brief to that effect.
+
+10 11 12 But I think if you have a difficulty with that small piece of our argument, I mean, I think the rest of it is really, you know, the meat and potatoes here, so --
+
+13 THE COURT: Okay. Yes.
+
+14 15 16 MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, I'm going to not try to belabor this, but I have to respond to some of the points, just so that the record is clear.
+
+17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The language that we proposed to the Court about the financial status comes from the very cases that are in the Second Circuit, and that's the words that the Second Circuit and district courts in the Southern District use. And I quote from Tillery: No evidence as to defendant's financial status may be presented to the jury during the first phase of the trial by either of the parties to this action. And the Second Circuit says that that's the preferred method. Mr. Cassell, I think, knowing that he's losing this battle, then tries to
+
+2 3 4 5 But first of all, let's talk about this consciousness of guilt issue. And not only the supposed facts behind this but the law that they cite. There are references to a New York Post article that is the --
+
+6 THE COURT: Well, that's no good, obviously.
+
+7 8 9 10 11 MR. PAGLIUCA: Of course. And then there's a reference to Radar Online. That's their entire evidentiary basis for the proffer that they just made to you, your Honor, about this townhome. It doesn't fly. And I don't need to spend --
+
+12 13 14 THE COURT: Well, wait a minute. There was a little bit more. There was Maxwell saying she got a loan, they say, from Epstein to buy the house.
+
+15 16 17 MR. PAGLIUCA: What she said, your Honor -- and I wrote it down because I looked at the deposition transcript last night.
+
+18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 First of all, I think it's important for this discussion, we allowed questions relating to anything financial with Mr. Epstein. So the one instruction that I gave to Ms. Maxwell during this deposition was, anything they ask you about Epstein is fine. I'm not going to let you talk about your own personal financial information because it's not discoverable at this point. And so they had fair opportunity to ask her questions. They asked her questions about the
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+1 2 3 4 townhome, and she said part of it was a loan from Mr. Epstein that had been paid back, and that's going to be years ago, before any of the defamatory allegations arose in this case. That's my understanding of the factual basis here.
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+5 6 7 8 9 10 11 So we can I think deal with that particular issue, you know, if and when it comes up, but what I'm saying to the Court -- I mean, the Court and I are on the same page -- the sale of the townhome, the amount of the sale of the townhome, you know, what did or didn't happen to the money from the sale of the townhome, those are all off limits during the liability phase of the trial.
+
+12 13 14 THE COURT: Well, correct me if I'm wrong. We don't have any evidence as to what happened to the proceeds of the sale.
+
+15 MR. PAGLIUCA: We don't.
+
+16 THE COURT: II, okay.
+
+17 MR. PAGLIUCA: There is none.
+
+18 THE COURT: Okay.
+
+19 20 21 22 23 MR. PAGLIUCA: And the notion that this money went outside of the jurisdiction of the court is pure fiction. Frankly, unless it went to some country that I'm unfamiliar with, I think the jurisdiction of this court extends pretty far.
+
+24 THE COURT: I think that's for another day.
+
+25 MR. PAGLIUCA: Right.
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 The last point I want to make, your Honor, on this issue of consciousness of guilt relates to the one case that they cite for the proposition that there is some ability to have a consciousness of guilt theory in a civil case. They cite a Second Circuit criminal case in which the defendant was a man named Amuso. This is at 21 F.3d 1251, and it's a 1994 case. Mr. Amuso was a leader in the Lucchese crime family who, over a course of time, ordered 14 murders and then absconded from the jurisdiction during the trial of a number of co-defendants. And it was called "The Windows" case here in New York, and you may remember it, your Honor, because it was the Lucchese crime family that was controlling the replacement window unions in the city of New York. So Mr. Amuso goes to trial, and the government requested and received an instruction to the jury that said not only his flight was consciousness of guilt but the length of the absence of his flight was consciousness of guilt. And in fact, the Second Circuit reversed that instruction and disapproved it in that criminal case but didn't reverse his conviction because the evidence of guilt was overwhelming. So the one case that they cite for this proposition in fact is inapposite to the position that they're taking here today.
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+23 24 25 So I think your Honor and I are indeed on the same page here, and I'd ask that the Court simply apply the law in Tillery.
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 . Menninger reminds me, your Honor -- and I think the Court and I are on the same page on this as well - the tax argument made by Mr. Cassell. Indeed, Ms. Maxwell and the plaintiff are not on the same footing in this case with regard to who put their reputation at issue, who is claiming emotional distress damages, and plaintiffs are in a much different position than defendants when it comes to cross-examinations about these issues, particularly in defamation cases, because as Ms. Menninger pointed out earlier, under Rule 405, everything that impacts the plaintiff's reputation in the community, including the failure to follow laws, is the subject of cross-examination. So the argument that what is good for the goose is good for the gander in a defamation case simply doesn't apply when you're talking about damage issues and reputational issues.
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+MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, we could next take up the issue relating to the police reports which I have as defendant's motion in limine to exclude police reports and other inadmissible hearsay at 677, response at 747, and then
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+2 THE COURT: Okay. Yes.
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+3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, these reports, that are loosely described as police reports, encompass a one-year purported investigation by the Palm Beach Police Department into the affairs of Mr. Epstein roughly beginning I think in 2005 and going through 2006. The detective initially assigned to the case was a woman named Pagan, and then Detective Recarey took over the investigation from Ms. Pagan. There were a number of things, according to the reports - although we don't really have any actual witness testimony, with current knowledge. The police did a number of things. They surveiled Epstein's house, they did trash pulls, and ultimately they executed a search warrant at Mr. Epstein's house. And that's sort of the totality of the investigation.
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+16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I give you that as the backdrop, your Honor, because then next what seems to happen is very curious, in my experience, and was testified to by Detective Recarey. The police get crossways with the state attorney's office in Florida, and there is a complete distrust between the two agencies. As a result of that -- and there's a bunch of in-fighting that goes on between these two agencies. The police make the decision to, in some fashion, turn over everything that they have to the FBI. And as best I can figure it out, the FBI issued a grand jury subpoena, or the U.S.
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 Attorney's Office, in the Southern District of Florida, issued a grand jury subpoena for the entirety of the Palm Beach Police Department's evidence relating to the Epstein investigation. So as we sit here today and indeed for the last ten years since 2006, the Palm Beach Police Department has not been the custodian of any of this evidence.
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+7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 And so that's the factual backdrop to then what becomes continuing problems with the types of evidence that I anticipate the plaintiffs are going to try to introduce in this case. The first is these police reports themselves. And that is about 87 or 88 pages of documents, depending on which iteration of these police reports someone is looking at. That essentially runs through the course of the investigation. And I'm sure things that your Honor's seen before, you know, police officer does something, they put it down on a piece of paper, somebody puts it into a system, and then that's where it goes. But the problem here, fundamentally, with these police reports --
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+19 THE COURT: Let me back up just a moment.
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+20 MR. PAGLIUCA: Yes, sir.
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+21 22 THE COURT: How are these going to be entered into evidence? They're not self authenticating.
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+23 MR. PAGLIUCA: They're not.
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+24 THE COURT: So how are they going to be presented?
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+25 MR. PAGLIUCA: Good question, your Honor.
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+1 2 3 MS. McCAWLEY: Do you want me to address that, your Honor? I mean, it's our evidence that we're trying to get in. Or do you want me to wait?
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+4 5 THE COURT: Well, you don't know. The defense doesn't know.
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+6 7 MR. PAGLIUCA: There is no way. There is no way to present these documents, your Honor.
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+8 9 THE COURT: Yes. Okay. All right. Because there's no DOJ witness listed.
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+10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. PAGLIUCA: There is no record custodian at all for these documents. Detective Recarey in his deposition -- and you have this, the relevant answers to these questions - acknowledged that they don't have any of this evidence. And so that's going to be, you know -- you have seen, in multiple filings from the plaintiffs, they attach excerpted documents containing what they say are phone messages secured from the trash pulls. So that would be an example of evidence for which there is no record custodian. Frankly, I don't know who the source of any of that information is. This is yet another piece of information that has appeared, I'm presuming through Mr. getting it somehow, you know, in relation to some other case and then it appears in discovery in this case. And what it looks like is, you know, a number of, you know, what they say are photocopies of message pads from Epstein's trash. But there is no person who will say, this particular piece of
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 paper came from Epstein's trash in the first instance. There is no person that will say, we kept these documents and we have the originals and you can come look at them and you can test them and feel them. There is no person that will say any of that because it went to the grand jury and presumably, under Rule 60, it's never coming out of the grand jury again.
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+7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 So the other point about these message pads is, I don't to this day know whether that's just hand-picked portions of whatever plaintiff's counsel got years ago or it's the entirety of what, you know, Palm Beach did or didn't do, but when I asked Detective Recarey those questions in his deposition, he said, I can't tell you if that's everything. just got handed this stuff by plaintiff's counsel, you know, in the course of this deposition, and that's all I can tell you about it. So that's another piece of this that's problematic for the plaintiffs.
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+17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 There's another issue that relates to a transcript of a witness, , and the plaintiffs, I think, want to try to introduce that transcript or, alternately, what they say is an audio recording of an interview with her, and I'm not sure which they are trying to introduce, but there are problems either way. The transcript, what I will call the transcript, was in fact not prepared by the Palm Beach Police Department. According to Detective Recarey, he had never seen it before, during his deposition, and he surmised that it had
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 been prepared by the state's attorney's office but he didn't know. So what happens then with this transcript is, there is an attempt at a deposition of in Miami, this summer, and comes in and she sits down, and she doesn't want to answer any questions about anything, and she says, I don't remember anything about any of this. Her lawyer says, she doesn't remember anything about any of this and she spent the last ten years forgetting about all of this and she's not going to remember anything about this. Mr. then puts the transcript in front of her and she doesn't look at it. She doesn't even look at the transcript. She doesn't turn the page. She doesn't read any of it. There's a question asked at some point later: Isn't it true that everything you said in the police department was true? And then shortly after that, the deposition ends. And they're trying to say that that is a sufficient factual basis and an evidentiary basis for the admission of this transcript, which is, you know, unsponsored hearsay.
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+19 20 21 22 23 There's a similar problem with this recording because never listened to the recording, never authenticated the recording. And so there's no evidence whatsoever that it's statement or that it was subject to any cross-examination.
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+24 25 So to try to get around all of these evidentiary problems, now what's being advanced by the plaintiffs is, well,
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 we're not offering any of this for the truth of the matter asserted. So 87 pages of police reports, a hundred pages or however many there are of trash, you know, witness transcripts, no, no, no, no, none of that is being offered for the truth of the matter asserted, we want to offer it to show Ms. Maxwell's state of mind when she issued her statement through Mr. Barden and Mr. Gow. So the huge problem with that, your Honor, which we've already dealt with, is, Ms. Maxwell has no knowledge of what's in these police reports, the trash pulls, any of these things, and so as a matter of law, this can't be part of her state of mind.
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 What is instructive on this point, your Honor, I went and read every single case that plaintiff's counsel cited for this proposition that it is state of mind, and what's great about these cases, frankly, every single one of them, whoever the statement is being introduced on behalf of, or against, knows about the statement. So when you look at their papers, they cite United States v. Gotti for the proposition that it goes to state of mind. Well, you know who Mr. Gotti is, and Mr. Gotti was charged with witness tampering. Mr. Gotti wanted to introduce some wiretapped statements that the FBI had, where he was talking to an informant and telling the informant things that Gotti said went to his state of mind. Well, the Second Circuit said, yes, you can do that, Mr. Gotti, first of all, because the government's introducing part of these transcripts, 1 2 3 4 and second of all -- so that's a rule of completeness, and second of all, you were there and you heard it and therefore, it would go to your state of mind and not for the truth of the matter asserted.
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+5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 The next case is United States v. Dupree. That's another criminal case in this circuit, where a bank fraud defendant was the subject of a temporary restraining order issued to that defendant, okay? So, you know, he has a temporary restraining order, you can't take any money out of this bank unless you do X, Y, and Z. Well, he took the money out of the bank without doing X, Y, and Z, and when he came to trial in his criminal case, the government was allowed to introduce that restraining order because it was his restraining order, he knew about it, and it showed his willful intent to defraud as part of the bank fraud. So that's that case.
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+16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Arista Records, LLC v. Lime Group, LLC was another case they rely on. Again, these are emails that are being talked about that were written by the defendant's employees and then the responses to those emails. So clearly the defendants LLC had corporate knowledge of those things. Screenshots of software programs, statements made by an agent of the defendant, those are all the things that we're talking about in that case, and so there's actual knowledge of the entity of those statements, which then can go for state of mind.
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+1 2 3 4 and the case says, it's undisputed the defendant had actual prior knowledge of the issues, of the at-issue statements that were offered by the defendant. Again, the statements were made to Crescenz.
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+5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 And then the last case is a 1983 case, Tierney v. Davidson. That involved civil rights violations and objective reasonableness by the officers who conducted a search of a building. I think the Court knows from doing this kind of work that pretty much anything in an officer's head is allowed in a qualified immunity case, because whether the officer did something that was objectively reasonable or not depends on what's in the officer's head, and so there is (A) an exception in these kinds of cases, but (B), in fact, the evidence that was being discussed in the qualified immunity situation related to statements that the officers had heard, which formed the basis of why they went into a building.
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+17 18 19 20 21 So in each and every one of these cases and all cases that deal with state of mind, the person who it is being introduced either for or against, not for the truth of the matter asserted but for their state of mind, has to know about it.
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+22 23 24 25 You have attached to our reply an affidavit from Ms. Maxwell who says she's never read any of these police reports prior to January 2015. And there is good reason for that, your Honor. It's not easy to get these police reports.
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 As you've heard, the chain of custody behind these things after 2006 is a little sketchy. And, you know, it requires some effort. And so, you know, ordinary folks I don't believe are going to be, you know, rooting around trying to ferret out police reports from South Florida. Even if you get them, they are heavily redacted, and so when one looks at them, it's virtually impossible to tell who's at issue, who's saying what about whom, because there are lots of blackouts through these police reports. We managed somehow -- and frankly, I don't even know how -- to get an unredacted copy, and Detective Recarey was surprised when he saw the unredacted copy because he said, we always redact these things. And so I'm unclear as to how ours is unredacted, but in any event, there is one out there. But I don't know how we got it.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The other point on this, your Honor, is, again, there is some liberty taken in the plaintiff's papers about what Ms. Maxwell said or didn't say in her deposition about these police reports, and they try to make III over, she knew about the police reports by the selective presentation of that deposition testimony. And I've cited the actual quote for you in the reply brief, but what is notable, in my view, is that when Ms. Maxwell is presented with these police reports, it is for the first time at her deposition by Ms. McCawley, and there is an exchange in the transcript where Ms. McCawley and Ms. Maxwell are going back and forth and Ms. Maxwell says, you
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 know -- she's holding these police reports and she says, I know there is a police report. We go on 300 pages or so in the deposition, and it is clear from the transcript that when we get back to the police report issue again, Ms. Maxwell is being asked questions by Ms. McCawley. Ms. McCawley says -- and this is at page 169, lines 4 through 8 -- "Now that you have the police report that I showed you this morning that you had an opportunity to look at it," and Ms. Maxwell responds, "You gave it to me. I did not look at it." And there was no really other questioning at the deposition about Ms. Maxwell's knowledge of these police reports.
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 So the record on this issue, your Honor, which is going to continue to be the record, is that Ms. Maxwell has no knowledge of this police report, the investigation, anything that's going on with Mr. Epstein substantively during this investigation by the Palm Beach Police Department. So that's why it's not admissible. They try to cobble together what they view as sort of indicia of she should have known about what's in these police reports, and they first of all say -- we get back to this Dershowitz joint defense agreement issue, which I touched on yesterday, but you're going to hear it again today, so I think it's worth mentioning again. And here are the quotes exactly from Mr. Dershowitz' deposition. Mr. Dershowitz -- somebody objects during this deposition, and then there's a colloquy. There's an assertion of privilege.
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 There's a little bit more colloquy, and then Mr. Dershowitz says: "This is a long time ago. My recollection is that very early on there was a joint defense agreement between several of the people who were of interest to the district attorney and to the federal government. That's my recollection. And I would only want to resolve doubts in favor of privilege." Then Mr. Dershowitz says: "We can check further. I would be happy to answer the question if it's not privileged." That's the testimony that they say supports their assertion of this joint defense agreement with Alan Dershowitz.
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 But there's more, your Honor. Mr. -- again, who is a party in this deposition and not a lawyer -- chimes in to the special and Mr. Dershowitz: "Q. Ghislaine Maxwell was never the target of the investigation, was she?" Confirming and arguing that Dershowitz is wrong about this joint defense agreement at the time. And Dershowitz is admitting that he doesn't really know and we should check and we'll get back and people can ask these questions if I'm wrong about this agreement.
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+20 21 22 23 24 25 They also take liberty with Ms. Maxwell's discussion in her deposition about her knowledge about what happened to Mr. Epstein and what he pled guilty to. When you look at those pages of the transcript, you know, she says, I know he went to jail, and then there's a back-and-forth between Ms. McCawley and Ms. Maxwell about what did he go to jail for, and
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 eventually Ms. Maxwell says, you know, I'm not really sure what he went to jail for. It had something to do with, she thinks -- Ms. Maxwell -- teenage prostitution or under-age prostitution or something like that. That certainly doesn't give you the ability then to ram in 400 pages of uncorroborated hearsay under the idea that somehow this is notice to somebody.
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+7 8 9 10 And I think there is one other factual claim that they make about, you know, what Ms. Maxwell should have known, which is not the standard. It is not incumbent upon an individual defendant to go investigate things. That's not the standard.
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+11 12 13 14 It seems to me that they have conceded that these documents are hearsay because they're saying, we're not offering them for the truth of the matter asserted; we want to offer it for this knowledge theory that we have.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 So I've briefed the issue about business records, which they are not. I've briefed the issue about government police records, which they are police records, but essentially the same tests for business records applies to police records, which is, you have to be under a business duty to record the information, and court after court after court after court, across the country, has said, people in police reports, like witnesses, are not under a business duty as part of the police department. So all of those statements, the second- and thirdhand hearsay statements, are inadmissible, either as government records or police records or whatever you want to
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+1 2 3 4 5 call them. They're just simply inadmissible for the truth of the matter asserted. You know, there may be a few things in these police reports that someone could, if they had a record custodian available, try to offer into evidence, but we don't have that here.
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+6 7 8 And so I think for all of those reasons, your Honor, this is a very strong motion that should be granted by the Court.
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+9 MS. McCAWLEY: Good afternoon, your Honor. Thank you.
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+10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The reason why they're battling so hard on this document is because it's so critical to the case. This is a police report that records numerous, over 20, under-age minors saying virtually the exact same story that my client gave about her abuse, over and over and over again. What they didn't say to you -- they skirt around Detective Recarey. You have his entire deposition transcript, which we've noted for next week, with all of his testimony. He took these statements. We went through the business records exception with him. He walked through, yes, I recorded this in the course of my work. We've got it in our papers. I did this under my duty. I interviewed these witnesses. I recorded it, etc., etc., etc., all in this document. I mean, with every document that's come up, they claim, particularly government documents, this is something that we've found out of thin air and that it has no value to it or trustworthiness. He sat in his deposition as the detective
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+1 2 3 4 5 who handled this entire investigation and walked through each of those people, your Honor, and walked through how he recorded it in this document. So this is authenticated through Detective Recarey, who is a witness in this trial, on our trial exhibit list.
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+6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 To be very clear, this document is so critical because it mentions Maxwell in it. It talks about Maxwell's stationery being at the house, it talks about other issues with respect to Maxwell. When I asked her at her deposition and I gave her this document -- and you can look at the testimony, your Honor, we want you to look at the testimony -- she says: I've seen it. Later in that deposition, they talk about her battling me over she wouldn't look at certain things I gave her, in front of her, right? So there was an attitude issue during that deposition that I had to manage. And that was what was coming up in that section. It wasn't that she didn't say she had seen it. But your Honor, we are allowed to put that in front of her, in front of the jury, and say: Did you know about this at the time in 2005 when you were photographed kissing Epstein on the day the investigation started? You were working for him. You've admitted that. You didn't know about all these little girls coming to the Palm Beach house that you were working at, that you claim you were the house manager for? We should be entitled to get this in
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+25 THE COURT: That is for the truth of the matter.
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 MS. McCAWLEY: Whether she knew about it. That's not for the truth of the matter, your Honor. That's what she knew at the time, right, she made the statement, did she know about all these individuals in the police report, did she know about this. So that can be offered not for the truth but to show whether she knew about it. Whether she knew that at the time she was making that statement, it was false, because not only did my client get abused there but so many other girls as well.
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+9 10 So, your Honor, that's part of it. And in your order, in your June 20th order, you said --
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+11 THE COURT: Excuse me.
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+12 MS. McCAWLEY: Sure.
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+13 14 15 16 THE COURT: You say the detective authenticated these documents. He didn't authenticate them in the sense of saying that these are part of the file. I mean, it's not that kind of an authentication.
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+17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. McCAWLEY: It is, your Honor. There are two different things, and I'm jumping around a little bit, so that's my fault. I'm sorry. But there are a series of questions -- and I believe it's in our brief but it's also in our designations -- where we walked through with him how he conducted the investigation, how he recorded the information of these witnesses, the interviews of the witnesses, the fact that they were reported in this document, etc., in his testimony. So that's one piece. And that's why this could come in under
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 the business records exception. But even if it weren't to come in under the business records exception, it can come in not for the truth of the matter asserted but to show for knowledge. And you say in your June 20th order, "Notwithstanding the questions are directed to reveal relevant answers regarding defendant's knowledge of plaintiff's allegations, that knowledge goes directly to the truth or falsity of the defamation, a key element of plaintiff's claims." In other words, what Maxwell knew at the time she's making the statement goes to the truth of the falsity of those statements, and that includes this police report, your Honor, so we believe that it's critical evidence to show that. And you'll see that, again, she was working for the defendant at the time that this investigation happened. She has testified to that. She was on the flights with him at the time this was going on over 300 times during that period.
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+17 THE COURT: You know, spare me the flights, okay?
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+18 MS. McCAWLEY: Sure. Okay.
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+19 THE COURT: I've heard that before.
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+20 21 MS. McCAWLEY: Sure. I'm sorry, your Honor. I'll try to cut to the chase here.
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+22 23 24 25 So certainly, you know, it's interesting, because you heard defense counsel here not too long ago saying that they wanted to get in police reports of an under-aged minor, from when she was 14, being raped by two
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 other boys, right? But now police reports are not allowed in at all, right? A police report where I've got the detective coming to testify about the police report that he took in his investigation, II, but that can't come in. And what's interesting is, they went through all of our cases but they failed to look at their own cases, because , which is a case that they cite in their brief on trying to get the police reports in, a Southern District of New York case, says that this can come in. It says, "Statements in a police report are not inadmissible hearsay where, as here, they are not offered for the truth of the matter asserted but for purposes of showing whether the arresting officer had the information giving them probable cause in that instance." So what we are doing here, your Honor, is putting forth this police report to show whether or not Maxwell had the knowledge of that, which we are entitled to ask her those questions at trial, your Honor, and to utilize this police report in that regard.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 So, your Honor, it comes in for two reasons. One, under the hearsay exception, which is the business records exception through Mr. Recarey's testimony, which is detailed in our briefs. He was deposed for a full day. He walked through all of these documents in his investigation, and we laid out that, the standard in there. He testified that it was a record kept in the regular course of his work. He testified that it was something he had to do in accordance with that work. He
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 testified that he was the primary author of that and that it had -- and of course it had the trustworthiness, your Honor. So we were very careful, because we knew how important this document was, to walk him through that when we had him at his deposition. And again, your Honor, those deposition designations are set forth for next Wednesday.
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+7 8 THE COURT: How do we know that this is the total record? Or is it the total record? We don't know.
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+9 10 11 12 MS. McCAWLEY: Well, Recarey testified -- we showed him this document as an exhibit in his deposition, and he testified regarding this being something that he recorded in the course of his own work.
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+13 14 THE COURT: But it's part of the record. Is it all of the record?
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+15 16 17 18 19 MS. McCAWLEY: Meaning all of the record of the entire investigation? We have produced that in discovery, your Honor, through the -- we have a FOIA response, which is how we got the videotapes of them walking through the Palm Beach house, all of the other materials related to the investigation.
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+20 THE COURT: I see. Okay.
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+21 22 23 MS. McCAWLEY: So then, your Honor, we deposed the detective to try, of course, to establish that this was the record to get into evidence.
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+24 25 Your Honor, they also mentioned -- and this is actually in the in toto motion, but they jumped to it so I need
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 to address it, and that is one of the witnesses in here, AH, who was a minor at the time, also gave a recorded statement as part of that. We took her deposition, and they're, you know, in my view, vastly misrepresenting the deposition. And you can look at the quotes themselves, but she testified in great detail about the activity at the house, verifying that what she said in her recording and in the police report was in fact correct. And she is a witness on our trial list. She is a minor who was abused in the same manner that my client was. She was exposed to him on a number of occasions. And we have her testimony, and we have sought to enter that as a witness in this case. And again, that's in the in toto motion which I think is being heard next Wednesday, but just to address it, since they raised it.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The other issue they raised are the message pads. These have come up from time to time in this case and come up through different witnesses. Now the message pads come in in a number of ways. One is Juan Alessi, who is one of the house butlers. He testified that those were the messages for which they recorded -- we showed him the messages. Yes, that's my signature. Yes, this is how we recorded our messages. He worked at the house. That was his duty to do those things. Maxwell's on those messages as well, so we intend to ask her about those, you know, were you having three girls come on this particular day, etc., etc.? So those are documents that should
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+1 2 3 4 5 come into evidence because they have been validated by an employee who works at the home and are things that should be able to be utilized at trial, and Maxwell should be able to be shown those and explain whether or not there is some issue with respect to those statements.
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+6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 So your Honor, that's all evidence that we do want to enter at the trial, and certainly we have done our diligence with respect to the police report to make sure that we do have Detective Recarey's testimony on it. I submit if you review that, you will see the reason why that it should come into evidence. But regardless of the hearsay issue and the business records exception, again, as you said in your June 20th order, the point of defendant's knowledge at the time she made a defamatory statement is very significant in this case, so if she knew -- even if she didn't believe my client, if she knew that there had been a number of other under-age minors that were abused in this circumstance, to call my client a liar in the face of all that knowledge is something the jury should be able to consider. So that is a piece that is important and relevant to this case. And you can always give a cautionary instruction. If you're concerned at any level, as you know, you could add a cautionary instruction with respect to the police report. But we should be entitled to ask her questions on the stand when she's under oath about what she knew with respect to this very significant document.
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+2 MR. PAGLIUCA: Briefly, your Honor.
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+3 4 5 So first, we're doing a mix and match here of different things, which I like the rules of evidence because they're rules and I can read them and they say what they say.
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+6 7 8 9 10 11 Even if, even if, you had a gold-plated record custodian from the Palm Beach Police Department come in here and make all of the findings that you needed to find as a business record exception or a government record exception, the case law is absolutely clear that second- and thirdhand hearsay is inadmissible through police reports.
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I use this example because it's a good one, I think. As part of my practice, I represent people accused of crimes, and so we get discovery as part of my practice. Guess what? That goes into my files and I keep it as a matter of course, and it is a business record of mine because i keep it in due course. Now that doesn't mean that it simply would get admitted into a trial whole cloth for the truth of the matter asserted, just because it's a business record of mine. And why? What's the answer? Because the statements that are included in the police report, or the discovery that I get, that I put in my file and I keep very carefully as a business record, don't magically become nonhearsay, because the people who are making those statements are not under any business duty to report to me. And that's what the business record exception
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 is all about. There is trustworthiness when someone, you know -- if it was a billing record of mine, that's a different story. But the business record exception, 803(6), everyone in the chain of the hearsay link has to be under a business duty to report. So there are cases where officers are allowed to testify about things that they wrote in their report because they observed them or another officer told them or it was a test that maybe happened within the police department. But what they're not allowed to talk about, under a business record exception, are witness statements. And that's what Ms. McCawley wants to try to introduce to the jury in this case -- 87 pages of witness statements from people who we don't know who they are and there's no evidence that they had any association with Ms. Maxwell.
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+15 Let me finish with this state of mind issue.
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+16 17 THE COURT: But before you do, why isn't it an 803(6) exception?
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+18 MR. PAGLIUCA: It could be, your Honor. So 803(6) --
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+19 20 THE COURT: Okay. So what you're saying is, yes, the reports could get in, but not the hearsay part.
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+21 MR. PAGLIUCA: Exactly. That's exactly right.
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+22 23 THE COURT: Well, okay. Of course what the plaintiff would say to that is, okay, fine.
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+24 25 MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, then you're redacting 90 percent --
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+1 2 3 THE COURT: I didn't say redaction. It's hearsay, it's not being offered, but of course it is being offered for the truth of the matter.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 MR. PAGLIUCA: Exactly. You know, this is a smokescreen about it goes to Maxwell's state of mind. And when you carefully go through these police reports, there is not one of these alleged victims who identifies Ms. Maxwell as having anything to do with any of this. Which is another important point.
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+10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 What I find curious, again, Ms. McCawley usually says there are 30 victims identified in these police reports, which isn't true. And when I asked Detective Recarey to go through them with me and identify how many people he said were victims, there were 17. And so now today she said there were 20. So she's working her way my way. But, you know, that's the problem here, your Honor. This is being offered for the truth of the matter asserted. All they want to do is get in front of a jury that there was a police department investigation in which Epstein was the target and Epstein is alleged to have done all of these bad things; therefore, you should punish Maxwell because then they're going to say, she was his girlfriend, she had to have known, yada, yada, yada, yada, he's a bad person, she's a bad person, find her liable, and whack her with a big damage award. That's what's going on here.
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+2 3 MR. CASSELL: The motion on and , our motion to get in adverse inference.
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+4 THE COURT: Yes.
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+5 MR. CASSELL: If I can be heard on that, your Honor.
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+6 7 THE COURT: Excuse me. Let me go back to where we were.
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+8 9 Those statements, the statements of the "victims," are being offered for the truth, are they not?
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+10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 MS. McCAWLEY: Your Honor, I do not believe they're being offered for the truth because what we're saying -- we're not saying whether or not what those victims said was necessarily true. We're saying was she aware that there were a number -- and they take issue with the number. I don't see a difference between 17 and 30. But was she aware that there were a number of other individuals making reports at the time she said my client must have been lying about being abused as a minor. So whether or not those are true or not, the reports, was she aware that there were a number of reports out there from other little girls saying that they were also brought to the massage room. And that goes to her state of mind at the time she made that statement where she defames my client internationally.
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+24 25 THE COURT: Yes. But aware of the reports. How could she be aware of the reports? Aware of the girls and the
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+2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 MS. McCAWLEY: Yes, your Honor, and the reason why she could be aware of the reports is because she'll -- remember, her testimony is that she worked for Epstein from the early '90s until 2009. This investigation took place in 2006, your Honor, during the course of the time she was allegedly managing the Palm Beach home and his active employee, his right-hand person. So yes, of course, we should be able to ask her those questions, show her the report: Were you aware of this, of these reports? Were you aware that these reports were made, you know, as part of this investigation? And then she can answer that.
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+13 14 15 THE COURT: Well, that's fine. You could do that. You could show her the reports and say, were you aware of them, but that would not get the hearsay part in.
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+16 17 18 19 MS. McCAWLEY: Well, your Honor, and of course we have two other of the exceptions, the business record exception, which we talked about, and we also noticed this as one of the residual hearsay --
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+20 21 22 23 24 THE COURT: Yes, but even as a business record, I think counsel is correct -- under the business records exception, the activities of the cops and what they did, all of that can go in, yes, because they're under a duty, etc., but not the statements.
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+25 MS. McCAWLEY: So for example, one of the witnesses on
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+1 2 our witness list is AH, who is in the report and she testified in this case.
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+3 4 THE COURT: Well, that's a different issue. And you said you're going to present her.
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+5 MS. McCAWLEY: Yes.
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+6 7 8 9 THE COURT: Well, all right. That's a different question. But in other words, you could show her the report and ask her if she's aware of these reports. I assume what her answer is going to be. And that's the end of it.
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+10 11 12 MS. McCAWLEY: Well, your Honor, I mean, obviously we'd like to enter the reports under the business record exception through Recarey and through the residual hearsay --
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+13 14 THE COURT: But even if you do that, I don't see how you avoid eliminating the hearsay.
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+16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MR. PAGLIUCA: Your Honor, could I have one final comment on this. If they're not being offered for the truth of the matter asserted, they're really not relevant to this case is my final point, because if they're not being offered for the truth of the matter asserted, at best it's a neutral as to whether these things did or didn't happen. If they didn't happen, they would certainly be supportive of Ms. Maxwell's state of mind if she knew about them. If they're not being offered for the truth of the matter --
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+25 THE COURT: Well, it might be material that she knew
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+2 3 4 5 6 MR. PAGLIUCA: You know, she could be asked that question: Did you know there was an investigation? I think she's going to say no. I gave you her affidavit in which she said prior to making her statement, she had never seen these police reports. So we all know --
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+7 THE COURT: That's a different question.
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+8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 MR. PAGLIUCA: I understand. But we all know the answer is, that's in these police reports, and I'm pretty sure she testified at her deposition that she wasn't really aware of this investigation. All she knew -- I think is what she testified to -- was that Epstein went to jail and she knew at some point he was a registered sex offender. Those are the two things I think she knew at the end of the day at this deposition. Anyway, I agree with you that the question, did you know there was an investigation, you know, I suppose you can ask that question and the answer will be yes or no, whatever it is.
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+19 THE COURT: Okay.
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+20 MR. PAGLIUCA: All right. Thank you.
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+21 22 THE COURT: Okay. I'm sorry. Forgive me for interrupting.
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+23 24 MR. CASSELL: No. Your patience has been appreciated today, your Honor.
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+1 2 3 4 5 adverse inference motions. We're a moving party. There are reciprocal motions both ways on this. I have the numbers available, if that would be useful. I believe 673 is the defendant's motion and 689 is our motion. So those would be the two motions going, obviously, in different directions.
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+6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Your Honor is familiar with these issues because of the Epstein adverse inference motion that was argued I think two weeks ago by me, and at that time -- I know you have not yet formally ruled on the motion, but there was extensive discussion about could we just kick this down the road to the trial and see, you know, what Epstein says at that time and, you know, after he testifies, sort out whether there's an adverse inference. Again, you haven't ruled on that, but I think I indicated at the time that certainly from point of view, we would have no objection to handling Mr. Epstein in that way. I want to make clear that we would also have no objection to handling the and issue in that way as well. You can put them on via deposition, and then we could sort out in the context of the case with a full record whether an adverse inference is appropriate. But we surface the issue for you now so it wouldn't be something you'd have to do on the fly in the middle of trial. And all the allegations, of course, that have been made here, I think it's important to put and on the conspiracy scheme, if you will. The top of the conspiracy is Mr. Epstein, 1 2 3 4 his right-hand player then is Ms. Maxwell, and in the conspiracy, again, in our view -- we understand the defense will take a differing point of view on this, but in our view, the conspiracy's next echelon is and
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+5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 And so for example, has made allegations about certain things. Ms. Maxwell can't remember or denies them, so of course then looks to corroborate her allegations of a conspiracy, and the first person she goes to is Epstein, and you're familiar with that. The second and third people that she goes to are and because they report immediately to Ms. Maxwell in the conspiracy. And is going to be talking about that during the course of the trial, and immediately the jury is going to wonder, well, gosh, I wonder what says about that? I wonder what says about that? And your Honor will recall that we went to great lengths to get them to testify. They were evading service, in our view. We ultimately had to come to your Honor to get alternative service, and it was only at that point that we were able to have them sit for their depositions. They sat for their depositions now, and what we hear from the defense, if I understand it, is that we don't have a good-faith basis for asking and , gee, weren't you a part of this sex trafficking and sex abuse conspiracy? I think the way they put it in their brief is, all of this evidence shows nothing
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 other than Ms. Maxwell might have been at the same place at the witnesses and, you know, the flight logs. I know other things is on some of these flight logs, and what's up? Those are the
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+14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 remember specifics. They weren't talking about girls. I can't Leslie Groff, and Ghislaine Maxwell. Ghislaine was the main lady. So again, we have an allegation by our client that
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 the central issues, of course, in the case. One of the things that was called an obvious lie. And so we want to bring in the co-conspirators and ask them, says you were in a conspiracy and what's your side of the story on that? And they take the Fifth. So there we are. The question is, are we going to conceal that from the jury or are we going to present it to them? Well, the Second Circuit case that your Honor is well familiar with, LiButti, sets out the factors that have determined that issue, and one of the things we hear from the defendant is, II, it's never been applied in a case like this. I would just direct your attention, as I did during the Epstein argument, to the case of FDIC v. Fidelity & Deposit Co. of Maryland. That's a Fifth Circuit case from 1995, in which a bank officer was accused of dishonest and fraudulent acts and kind of bogus loans, and the Fifth Circuit allowed Fifth Amendment invocations from the loan recipients to be used against him, reasoning that, well, in this kind of a case, the collusion then is shown by the Fifth Amendment invocation of the participants in the conspiracy there. Fifth Amendment invocations can be held against someone who's accused to be a part of that conspiracy, which of course is exactly what we have going on here in a civil context.
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+23 24 25 LiButti, by the way, the Second Circuit case, which is controlling in this jurisdiction, favorably cites the Fifth Circuit case in FDIC v. Fidelity & Deposit Co., explaining that 1 2 3 that is one of the reasons why in the Second Circuit they think this is a good rule of law, because they approve of the result that the Fifth Circuit reached in that co-conspirator case.
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 And LiButti then goes on, as your Honor is well familiar, with laying out four different factors. The first is the nature of the relationship involved. The relationship here is co-conspirators. They're in the immediate next echelon of the conspiracy. They are direct reports in the business sense, although this is a criminal enterprise, but and
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+10 11 12 13 14 are direct reports to Ms. Maxwell. Of course the conspiracy continues. This is not just at the time of those events. The conspiracy continues to today, and your Honor is familiar with that from the fact that they were evading service while we were trying to obtain their testimony last year.
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+15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Eventually they show up with lawyers, a Bruce Reinhart I think is an Epstein lawyer; I think at some point had Mr. Goldberger, who's an attorney for Mr. Epstein now. They've both made significant efforts to evade service. Why? Because in our view the conspiracy continues to this day. The conspiracy is trying to conceal what was done to girls in Florida over an extended period of time. The concealment continues through the efforts not only of the defendant but also through the efforts of and
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+24 25 But there's more that binds them together even today. Your Honor is of course familiar with the nonprosecution
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 agreement that's at the heart of this case. Remember the issue that we were talking about yesterday. The nonprosecution agreement says to Mr. Epstein, we will not prosecute you, or any potential co-conspirators, or, and then there were four named individuals. Two of those named individuals are and . So they're bound together and have a common interest in trying to preserve that nonprosecution agreement, which means, of course, attacking people who are attacking the nonprosecution agreement, such as Jane Doe 3, that is, my client,
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+11 12 And that is the first factor, the nature of the relationship there. Very tightly bound.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 The second one is the degree of control in which the party has vested the nonparty witness in regard to key facts and the general subject matter of the litigation. That's a direct quote from LiButti. And the evidence here -- and again, I won't belabor all of the flight logs and specific evidence, but it's recited, you know, in a ten-page chart in our brief.
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+19 20 21 22 23 and are very tightly bound with the defendants. They are direct reports. They are working closely together. I just quoted saying, you know, that that was the person that they were talking to, and so you have a very significant degree of control.
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+24 25 The third factor from LiButti is compatibility of interests. Perfect compatibility of interests here.
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+1 2 has said there was a conspiracy involving all of these individuals. They're all going to say no, there wasn't.
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+3 4 We'll have a trial on that and hear the evidence. But the compatibility of interests is, that team is against
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+5 6 7 8 9 10 11 . Those co-conspirators are all working together to try to undercut the credibility of . And of course they're all hoping that she will lose this trial, which they will then celebrate as a victory. Of course if wins the trial, they will all suffer a defeat because her credibility in making these allegations will have been established.
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The final factor LiButti directs you to consider is the role in the underlying aspects of the litigation, and again, it's hard to imagine. I won't say they are the most important members of the conspiracy. Epstein is the most important member of the conspiracy, but the next most important, after Maxwell, who's the number two position, the next most important conspirator is and . I've used the expression before, it's kind of playing Hamlet without the ghost. We're going to be talking about a conspiracy without the conspirators in the case. We are trying to bring the conspirators here in front of the jury so that they can hear what the conspirators have to say when asked questions about what they were doing to and what they were doing to similarly situated young girls.
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+1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 The final point that the LiButti case directs you to consider is whether admitting the evidence will advance the search for truth. And here we have a conspiracy, and I'm using that term not as a lawyer but as a layperson for this purpose. Webster's defines to conspire means to join together in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or an act which becomes unlawful as a result of a secret agreement. And so we want to present the conspirator. Now we think that makes the case that this is highly relevant and also appropriate for an adverse inference. Again, your Honor could wait to rule on this at trial, but we think it's clear-cut now.
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+12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Of course once you determine that something's relevant, you then have to consider possible prejudicial effect. Obviously this is a case in which sex allegations are going to be at their heart. It's not like we have a business dispute where somebody wants to throw in sex abuse. We want to prove, in a case involving a sex conspiracy, what the conspirators have to say. And there's no prejudice then to Maxwell in the sense of unfair prejudice. He can ask whatever questions they deem appropriate as well. But the absence of the co-conspirators is of course highly prejudicial to . Naturally the jury is going to wonder, you said was reporting to Maxwell. Where is ? That's going to be the first thing they'll say when they go back into the jury room. Where are these people? And that's what
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+3 4 5 The Court will recall the extraordinary lengths to which had to go to procure their testimony. They finally were able to secure it, and they should be presented.
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+6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Also -- I think you'll be hearing these issues next week -- we used some leading questions during the deposition. We tried to also use some nonleading. Leading questions can be used when? When you have a witness who's associated with the party on the other side. Well, we said they're in a conspiracy. I can't imagine a case where there would be a clearer example of when leading questions would be appropriate.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 The final argument they made, I think last night in their late replies was that we somehow missed the deadline in taking their deposition. What they don't disclose I think in their papers is, your Honor will recall that we had to come to you, obtain an application for alternative service, and then, as a result of that, they came in. We did all these things with the Court's blessing and approval of taking depositions. Those schedules were discussed with opposing counsel. And as soon as we'd taken the deposition, within approximately a week, we provided the designations. That was back in February of this year. There's no prejudice.
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+24 25 So for all these reasons, we would ask that we be allowed to present two of the co-conspirators in the witness
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+2 3 4 5 MR. PAGLIUCA: I thought I was back to my old days as a public defender when I started the practice of law, your Honor. Now I'm arguing an 801(d)(2)(E) motion instead of a defamation case.
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+6 7 8 9 10 11 12 I think we have to start with the notion that is true, that this is a defamation case in which Ms. Maxwell is alleged to have made a defamatory statement in 2015. In that defamatory statement Ms. Maxwell does not mention any of these individuals and doesn't mention Mr. Epstein, and so the starting point for this is, this is an entirely different issue than Mr. Cassell and his fantastical conspiracy argument here.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 If we want to stick to the legal issues in this case, I think we first need to understand that there is actually a specific rule of evidence that relates to co-conspirator hearsay exception, and that is Rule 801(d)(2)(E) of the Federal Rules of Evidence, and significantly, under that rule -- and this is why the cases using Rule 801(d)(2)(E) find indicia of trustworthiness in co-conspirator hearsay statements -- they are made at or during the course or in furtherance of a conspiracy. And absent that finding, statements of co-conspirators are deemed to be hearsay.
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+23 24 25 So what we're talking about here are not statements purportedly made by any of these individuals in 2000 or 2001. We're talking about statements that they are seeking to (A)
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+7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 And when we talk about the LiButti factors, you know, there is really zero evidence that's been presented to your Honor. First of all, the relationship now, in 2017, between these individuals -- because that is what the controlling relationship is, not some relationship that happened or didn't happen in 2000 or 2001. It is the relationship during the course of this litigation, not some other litigation. And indeed, there is no relationship between these folks. At best, for a brief period of time, a brief period of time, these folks worked in different capacities for Mr. Epstein, at best, and that brief period of time is more than ten years ago.
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+18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The other part of this that Mr. Cassell overlooks or doesn't want to talk about is what really is at issue -- and this relates to this close present relationship -- does this witness have some reason to protect Ms. Maxwell. I mean, that's really the inquiry here. Is the witness invoking her, in this case, privilege against self-incrimination because it's going to have some benefit to Ms. Maxwell? Well, there is no benefit to Ms. Maxwell for the invocation of the Fifth
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+4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 If you ever get the opportunity to watch the video of these two witnesses, your Honor, it's remarkable because there's a lot of eye rolling and facial expressions in response to the leading questions by plaintiff's lawyers that, in my analysis -- I may be testifying, your Honor, I must admit. But in my observation, it was basically a nonverbal "that's not true" and then the invocation of the Fifth Amendment privilege, and if that gets played for the jury, the jury can see that or you can see it. At one point Ms. McCawley chided one of these witnesses and said something like, you know, if you keep doing what you're doing, we're going to have to do something else, because she didn't like the facial expressions or the words that the witness was using to invoke the Fifth Amendment privilege. That's how much these folks could help Ms. Maxwell but can't, and they can't because they're protecting their own interests. They're not protecting Ms. Maxwell's interests. They're worried that if the plaintiff's lawyers succeed in Florida, they have some threat of prosecution, so they're not going to testify. But again -- and this is, again, a point that seems to be overlooked by plaintiff's counsel -- these two individuals are indeed named in this nonprosecution agreement by name. Ms. Maxwell is not, and Ms. Maxwell didn't choose to
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+1 2 3 4 5 invoke her Fifth Amendment privilege. She shouldn't be penalized because the people who are concerned and are named in this nonprosecution agreement can't testify because the plaintiff's lawyers are trying to undo their agreement with the government.
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+6 7 8 9 10 Ms. Maxwell has no ability to control these folks. You know, we certainly weren't going to stand in the way of plaintiff's trying to take their depositions, but we have no control over them, in securing their testimony or requiring them to cooperate in any sense.
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 I cite to the Court the case of Coquina Investments v. Rothstein, which I didn't realize until I was reading this last night is ironic because the defendant in the Rothstein case is Mr. ' former partner, who's doing 55 years in a federal penitentiary right now. But in that case, which is very similar here, the court wouldn't impose an adverse inference against an employer for an employee, even though the employer was paying for the representation of the employee. And that case is I think significant because the court again focused on the relationship at the time of the deposition and not some prior relationship.
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+22 23 24 25 I talked about the co-conspirator issue. You know, that's just attorney argument asserted as fact here, your Honor. No one has ever found that these folks are co-conspirators. It's Mr. Cassell's and Mr. ' theory,
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+1 2 but it certainly is not anything that there is going to be any real evidence about in this case.
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+11 12 There's just really nothing that would allow any adverse inference in this case one way or the other.
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+13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Finally, your Honor -- well, two final points. The questioning, you know, the kind of questions that were posed to these witnesses were precisely the kind of questions that have been disapproved in the Second Circuit. And that's Brink's Inc. v. City of New York, which is in the papers; WorldCom Security Litigation, also in the papers; and LiButti itself. These are not technical objections. It serves no legitimate evidentiary purpose for a lawyer to come in and simply ask a very bunch of highly charged, leading questions to which they know the witness is going to say, "I take the Fifth." There is no evidentiary ball advanced with those questions, because it's just lawyer argument that doesn't do anything for anybody. So both sides could ask a hundred questions, they could both be
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+1 2 3 4 5 MR. PAGLIUCA: (continued) I don't care about that, but, you know, I mean, we're going to deal with these issues, and we'll deal with them so the timing is of no consequence to me, but I'm not complaining about it, I'm just responding to it.
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+6 7 8 But for those reasons, your Honor, you shouldn't allow anybody to present any adverse inference from these witnesses. They should not just be part of this trial. Thank you.
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+9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 MR. CASSELL: In reply, your Honor, I think you can just see from the upset there what's going to be happening at this trial. This is the direct quote from Mr. Pagliuca. "Fantastical conspiracy". That's going to be the argument from the other side. They're obviously entitled to advance that argument. But that's what is going to need to respond to at the trial. And, of course, the jury will think this is a fantastical conspiracy if doesn't even bring in some of the alleged conspirators such as Epstein, and
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+19 20 21 22 23 Now, we'll hear that this is somehow a hearsay issue under 801(d)(2). This is not a hearsay. There are going to be witnesses in the case, questioned and cross examined. So this isn't a question of inadmissible hearsay, this is a question of presenting a witness to the jury.
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+24 25 THE COURT: How do you think this evidence is it's going to go in by way of either deposition or the depositions
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+2 MR. CASSELL: Yes.
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+3 4 5 THE COURT: -- or by the witnesses being compelled to come and invoke and so on? I think we know how that's going to work out.
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+6 7 MR. CASSELL: Right. I think in this case it's going to be through the deposition that's been recorded.
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+8 9 10 11 With Mr. Epstein, we're going to bring him here live because we've been able to reach him by subpoena, but these two have been difficult to reach by subpoena, that's why we've taken their deposition.
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+12 13 14 And so Mr. Epstein will testify live, he would invoke, and , the deposition has already been taken. And in our --
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+15 16 THE COURT: What do you do about the statement that counsel just made about the impropriety of the questions?
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+17 18 19 20 MR. CASSELL: Right. So you can't just say, hey, is the moon made of cheese and they take the Fifth. You can't put that in, and Booty recognizes that. There has to be independent evidence that supports each question that's asked.
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+21 22 And so what we've done in our brief, if you look at page 17 of our initial paper -- if I can just illustrate one.
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+23 24 THE COURT: No, that's all right. That's fine. I get the point.
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+25 MR. CASSELL: Right. But I think this is a fair point
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+3 4 THE COURT: Don't worry about educating them. It's me you've got to educate.
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+5 6 7 MR. CASSELL: So I would just direct you to our - we've tried to show, this is not a moon made of cheese, we have very specific support for each --
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+8 THE COURT: I hear you. I hear you.
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+9 MR. CASSELL: -- of the questions.
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+10 THE COURT: You've got it in the brief. I understand.
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+11 MR. CASSELL: Right.
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+12 13 14 15 16 So with regard to their interest in the case, obviously, they have an interest in this woman who is accusing them of being involved in a sex trafficking and sex abuse conspiracy having her lose this case. They would be popping champagne corks. They clearly have an interest in the case.
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+17 18 19 20 The other problem, remember, under Booty, the question is well, are these witnesses that the plaintiff had some control over? Is this somebody that the defendant has vested control over these facts?
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+21 22 23 24 25 These were direct reports. I don't think I heard any response to that from the other side. These were direct reports to Maxwell, and so these are the people who, you know, when alleged that she's involved -- Ms. Maxwell is involved in doing these things, these are the women who are
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+1 2 executing the orders for Ms. Maxwell, and it's not part of a fantastical conspiracy.
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+3 4 5 6 7 All we want to do is have the jury hear this information. We've provided in our brief very specific support for each of the questions that we want to ask. We think it's entirely appropriate that the jury hear what these two have to say.
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+8 THE COURT: Thank you.
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+9 Where are we now? Yes.
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+10 11 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, by my estimation, we have one motion left, which is 665 with the opening brief.
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+12 THE COURT: And what's that?
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+13 14 15 MS. MENNINGER: It was our motion to prohibit questioning of our client regarding her consensual adult sexual activities.
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+16 THE COURT: Yes.
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+17 18 MS. MENNINGER: Do I take that as a go ahead and talk or --
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+19 THE COURT: No.
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+20 MS. MENNINGER: Okay. I wasn't sure.
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+21 THE COURT: Yes, well, I can understand.
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+22 23 How can you possibly know what we're going to do when I don't know what we're going to do?
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+24 25 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I'm happy to defer this issue. I believe it is somewhat --
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+2 3 4 5 MS. MENNINGER: -- enmeshed with some of the other motions that, based on plaintiff's representation, they want to put off until another day, so -- until the 15 days before, in particular, so I'm happy to wait.
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+6 7 THE COURT: How does that figure -- I'm sorry. Explain to me how that figures into the --
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+8 MS. MENNINGER: Into this motion?
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+9 10 THE COURT: Well, these are the things about which they have to give notice.
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 17 MS. MENNINGER: Exactly, your Honor. The issue in this motion, and I'll try to be slightly circumspect, but in this motion, we have agreed that our client can be cross examined with respect to plaintiff, any of plaintiff's allegations, with respect to any other minor victim. Our client has absolutely denied having been involved sexually with plaintiff or with the minor victim.
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+18 19 20 21 They would like to introduce evidence of some kind every other acts with other people. They have not yet specified, apparently, completely, what other acts and what other people they're talking about.
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+22 THE COURT: So I think we should --
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+23 MS. MENNINGER: Right.
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+24 25 THE COURT: So I think we should wait until we get it all. Okay. So that takes care of that.
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+1 2 3 MS. McCAWLEY: Your Honor, there's just one more thing procedurally, if I could indulge the Court while I have your attention before we all leave. That would be helpful.
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+4 THE COURT: Don't count on it.
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+5 MS. McCAWLEY: Sorry.
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+6 THE COURT: Yes.
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+7 8 9 10 11 12 MS. McCAWLEY: It's just, in your order about the ESI and the issue with the non-production, you said that we should suggest hearing dates. i see that your Honor has moved the hearing dates to Wednesdays, so we were hoping to, since there's only a few Wednesdays left before our trial, reserve one of those to handle that hearing?
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+13 THE COURT: Well, I'm not sure.
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+14 MS. McCAWLEY: Or whatever day would work.
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+15 16 17 THE COURT: No. Okay. Now, it seems to me, correct me if I'm wrong, on the 5th we're going to do Epstein's motion, the deposition designations, the biforcation --
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+18 MR. CASSELL: I'm sorry, we just did that.
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+19 20 THE COURT: By the way, maybe we could do the biforcation issue very quickly. What is it you want to --
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+21 22 MR. CASSELL: I think we just did that a few moments ago, your Honor.
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+23 24 MS. McCAWLEY: That was the one about the financial records.
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+25 THE COURT: By what?
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+1 2 3 MS. McCAWLEY: We just did that about the financial records, and you gave us some direction on that, so that one's been --
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+4 5 THE COURT: II, okay. So that's done. Okay. So that's the 5th.
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+6 7 8 MS. McCAWLEY: Yes. So then there's April 12th, which I believe is the following Wednesday, and then I think the one after that is the 19th.
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+9 10 11 THE COURT: Well, are we going to do a hearing -- I take it we're going to do a hearing on the reconsideration of the --
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+12 13 14 15 16 MS. McCAWLEY: That's what I'm talking about, your Honor. I'm sorry. Yes. So that's the evidentiary issue of - you said they could present a forensic, based on your order of reconsideration of the November 2nd. So that's the date I'm looking for. I'm sorry, I should have been clearer about that.
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+17 THE COURT: When are we going to do that?
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+18 MS. McCAWLEY: Maybe the 12th or the 19th possibly?
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+19 THE COURT: How about the 10th.
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+20 MS. McCAWLEY: Okay.
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+21 THE COURT: Does that work for you all?
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+22 23 MR. PAGLIUCA: I can't do the 10th, your Honor, I'm in a deposition all day in Colorado. I'm sorry.
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+24 THE COURT: How could you possibly take another case?
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+25 MR. PAGLIUCA: Well, believe me, I have a lot of
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+1 2 clients that are saying that exact same thing right now, your Honor.
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+3 4 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, could we do the 13th, the Thursday of that week?
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+5 6 THE COURT: Yes. I don't see any reason not to. Okay.
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+7 8 MS. McCAWLEY: That's all I had, your Honor. Thank you. And thank you for your patience, everyone, today.
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+9 10 THE COURT: Have we completed the briefing and everything everybody wants to submit on the black book issue?
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+11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 MS. McCAWLEY: Well, yes, your Honor. So now, as of last night, it was fully briefed. So there are three briefs on it, essentially. We had a motion in limine to allow it in, they had a motion in limine to exclude it, and it came up previously -- I forget, we argued it a couple weeks ago in the context of another motion -- II, I'm sorry, because, your Honor, you requested that with respect to Diane Flores. So we didn't reargue it today, it is fully briefed for you.
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+19 20 THE COURT: Okay. In other words, I've got everything on that.
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+21 MS. McCAWLEY: You do, your Honor, yes.
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+22 THE COURT: Okay. Anything else?
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+23 MS. McCAWLEY: Not that I'm aware of.
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+24 25 MR. PAGLIUCA: I think we're concluded today, your Honor. Thank you.
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+## IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+USA / Plaintiff(s)
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+v. Case No.: 15 Cv 7433
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+Ghislaine Maxwell
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+Defendant(s)
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+## NOTICE OF FILING OF OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT
+
+proceeding type date proceeding held Notice is hereby given that an official transcript of a held on has been filed by the court reporter/transcriber in the above-captioned matter.
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+Redaction responsibilities apply to the attorneys of record or pro se parties, even if the person requesting the transcript is a judge or a member of the public or media.
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+The parties have seven (7) calendar days from the date of filing of this NOTICE to file with the court any NOTICE OF INTENT TO REQUEST REDACTION of this transcript. A copy of said NOTICE must also be served on the court reporter. If no such NOTICE is filed, the transcript may be made remotely electronically available to the public without redaction after ninety (90) calendar days.
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+This process may only be used to redact the following personal data identifiers: Social Security numbers; dates of birth; minors' names; and financial account numbers. See Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 5.2, and Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 49.1. Parties wishing to request redaction of other information may proceed by motion.
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+I (we) certify that the foregoing is a correct transcript from the record of proceedings in the aboveentitled matter.
+
+/s Ellen
+
+Court Reporter/Transcriber Date
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+UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK USDC SDNY
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+rEt.EC1 .- A ux DOCUMENT
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+51
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+X L\_ LIALIE
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+- against -
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+GHISLAINE MAXWELL,
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+Plaintiff,
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+Defendant.
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+Snot, D.J.
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+X
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+15 Civ. 7433 (RWS)
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+ORDER
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+The Defendant's motion for reconsideration, ECF No. 844, is denied. The sealed opinion dated August 30, 2016 resolving ECF No. 230 also resolved ECF No. 231. ECF No. 231, the Defendant's motion for sanctions, was denied.
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+It is so ordered.
+
+New York, NY
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+April /21- 2017 BERT W. ET U.S.D.J.
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+## United States District Court Southern District of New York
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+Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+v.
+
+Ghislaine Maxwell,
+
+Defendant.
+
+/
+
+## NOTICE OF FILING UNDER SEAL THE DECLARATI N F EXPERTS K. GUS DIMITRELOS AND STEVEN A.
+
+Plaintiff, hereby submits this Notice of filing under seal the Declaration of K. Gus Dimitrelos and Steven A. in support of Plaintiff's Briefing on an Adverse Inference Instruction Regarding Defendant's Failure to Comply with This Court's Orders to Produce Her Electronic Documents and Communications (DE 838) filed on April 7, 2017.
+
+Dated: April 14, 2017
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+Respectfully Submitted,
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+By: /s Sigrid McCawley Boies Schiller Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+By: /s Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCaS (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) Meredith (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) Boles Schiller Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+David Boles Boles Schiller & Flexner LLP 333 Main Street Armonk, NY 10504
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+J. (Admitted Pro Hac Vice)
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+M TAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 (954) 524-2820
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+Paul G. Cassell (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) S.J. Quinney College of Law University of Utah 383 University St. Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-5202i
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+This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
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+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on the 14th day of April, 2017, I served the attached document via CM/ECF and e-mail to the following counsel of record.
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+Laura A. Menninger, Esq.
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+Jeffrey PagIffils
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+HADDON, & , P.C.
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+150 East 10 Avenue
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+Denver, Colorado 80203
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+Tel: (303) 831-7364
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+Fax: (303) 832-2628
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+Email: Imenninger@hmflaw.com
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+ipagliuca@hmflaw.com
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+tgee@hmflaw.com
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+By: /s Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCawley (Admitted Pro Hoc Vice) Boies Schiller Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+## VIA CM/ECF
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+Honorable Judge Robert W. Sweet District Court Judge United States District Court 500 Pearl Street New York, NY 10007
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+> Re: v. Maxwell, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+Dear Judge Sweet:
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+The February 23, 2017 Scheduling Order provides that Final Exhibit List shall be exchanged by April 15, 2017 and the Revised Joint Pre-Trial Order shall be submitted by April 15, 2017. The parties request aone (1) day extension of time on the schedule for completing these tasks. The parties have conferred on the matter and are in agreement with the slight modification to the schedule.
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+Accordingly, we request permission to be permitted to exchange the Exhibit Lists and submit the Revised Pre-Trial Order by Tuesday, April 18, 2017.
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+cc: Counsel of Record
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+Respectfully submitted,
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+s/ Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCawley, Esq. BOLES SCHILLER FLEXNER Counsel for Plaintiff
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+s/ Jeff Pagliuca Jeff Pagliuca E . HADDON, & a, P.C. Counsel for Defendant
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+## United States District Court Southern District of New York
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+Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+v.
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+Ghislaine Maxwell,
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+Defendant.
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+PLAINTIFF MOTION TO RESPONSE IN OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANT'S
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+Sigrid McCawley BOLES SCHILLER FLEXNER LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+Plaintiff, [REDACTED], respectfully submits this memorandum of law in response and opposition to Defendant's Motion to [REDACTED]
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+**BACKGROUND**
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+For all of the foregoing reasons, [REDACTED] respectfully requests that the Court deny Defendant's motion for [REDACTED] also respectfully requests that the Court [REDACTED]
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+Dated: April 18, 2017
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+Respectfully Submitted,
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+BOLES SCHILLER FLEXNER LLP
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+By: /s/ Sigrid McCawley
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+Sigrid McCawley (Pro Hac Vice) Boles Schiller Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+David Boles Boles Schiller Flexner LLP 333 Main Street Armonk, NY 10504
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+a t (Pro Hac Vice) JAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 (954) 524-2820
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+Paul G. Cassell (Pro Hac Vice) S.J. Quinney College of Law University of Utah 383 University St. Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-5202'
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+I This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
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+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on the 18th day of April, 2017, I electronically filed the foregoing document with the Clerk of Court by using the CM/ECF system. I also certify that the foregoing document is being served this day on the individuals identified below via transmission of Notices of Electronic Filing generated by CM/ECF.
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+Laura A. Menninger, Esq. Jeffrey Pal. HADDON, P.C. 150 East 10 Avenue Denver, Colorado 80203 Tel: (303) 831-7364 Fax: (303) 832-2628 Email: Imenninsterelunflaw.com jpagliuca@hmflaw.com
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+> /s/ Sigrid S. McCawley Sigrid S. McCawley
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+## VIA CM/ECF
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+Honorable Judge Robert W. Sweet District Court Judge United States District Court 500 Pearl Street New York, NY 10007
+
+> Re: v. Maxwell, Case No.: 15-ev-07433-RWS
+
+April 17, 2017
+
+Dear Judge Sweet:
+
+Sigrid S. McCawley, Esq. E-mail: smccawley4tisffici.com
+
+
+
+
+
+The February 23, 2017 Scheduling Order provides that Final Exhibit List shall be exchanged by April15, 2017 and the Revised Joint Pre-Trial Order shall be submitted by April 15, 2017. The parties request a one (1) day extension of time on the schedule for completing these tasks. The parties have conferred on the matter and are in agreement with the slight modification to the schedule.
+
+Accordingly, we request permission to be permitted to exchange the Exhibit Lists and submit the Revised Pre-Trial Order by Tuesday, April 18, 2017.
+
+cc: Counsel of Record
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+Respectfully submitted,
+
+s/ Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCawley, Esq. BOLES SCHILLER FLEXNER ...4o for Plaintiff
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+a filo in , Counsel for Defendant 4 .(5--.77
+
+§/ Jeff Paaliuca Pagliuca 3-1.-.)j HADDON, & P.C.
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+## United States District Court Southern District of New York
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+Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+v.
+
+Ghislaine Maxwell,
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+Defendant.
+
+## NOTICE OF FILING RESPONSE TO PROPOSED INTERVENER MICHAEL CERNOVICH D/B/A CERNOVICH EDIA'S OPPOSITION TO NOTICE OF PLAINTIFF'S PROPOSED It EDACTIONS TO THIS COURT'S ORDER DENYING SUMMARY JUDGMENT IDE 8331
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+hereby responds and requests that this Court exclude Proposed Intervener Michael Cemovich D/B.A Cernovich Media's Opposition to Notice of Plaintiff's Proposed Redactions to this Court's Order Denying Summary Judgment [DE 833], and hereby states as follows.
+
+On January 19, 2017, Mr. Cemovich moved the Court to be allowed to intervene in this case for the purported purpose of publishing confidential materials [DE 550]. This Court has not granted Mr. Cernovich intervention under Rule 24(b).
+
+Accordingly, he is not a party of this litigation, and has no standing to bring the instant opposition. See Esther Sadowsky Testamentary Trust v. Federal Housing Finance Agency, 412 Fed.Appx. 361, 363, 2011 WL 744962, at \*1 (2d Cir. March 4, 2011) (third party lacked standing to appeal district court's ruling where the third party's motion to intervene was not granted).
+
+Accordingly, for the reasons stated above, respectfully requests that this Court exclude Proposed Intervener Michael Cemovich D/B.A Cemovich Media's Opposition to Notice of Plaintiff's Proposed Redactions to this Court's Order Denying Summary Judgment [DE 833].
+
+Dated: April 18, 2017
+
+Respectfully Submitted,
+
+BOLES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
+
+By: Is/ Meredith Meredith (Pro Hac Vice) Sigrid McCawley (Pro Hac Vice) Boles Schiller & Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+> David Boies Boles Schiller & Flexner LLP 333 Main Street Armonk, NY 10504
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+a J.t (Pro Hac Vice) JAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 (954) 524-2820
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+Paul G. Cassell (Pro Hac Vice) S.J. Quinney College of Law University of Utah 383 University St. Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-5202'
+
+This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
+
+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
+
+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on the 18th day of April, 2017, I electronically filed the foregoing document with the Clerk of Court by using the CM/ECF system. I also certify that the foregoing document is being served this day on the individuals identified below via transmission of Notices of Electronic Filing generated by CM/ECF.
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+Laura A. Menninger, Esq. Jeffrey Pagliucoli HADDON, & 150 East 10 Avenue Denver, Colorado 80203 Tel: (303) 831-7364 Fax: (303) 832-2628 Email: Imenninger@hmflaw.com jpagliuca®hmflaw.com , P.C.
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+/s/ Meredith Meredith Esq.
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+### United States District Court Southern District of New York
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+Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS v.
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+Ghislaine Maxwell,
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+Defendant
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+### JOINT PRETRIAL STATEMENT
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+Pursuant to this Court's individual practice rules, the parties hereby submit the following Joint Pretrial Statement as follows:
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+## i. Full Caption of the Action
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+, Plaintiff v. Ghislaine Maxwell, Defendant, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS.
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+## ii. The Names and Addresses and Telephone and Fax Numbers of Trial Counsel:
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+### Plaintiff's Trial Counsel:
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+David Boies: Boles Schiller & Flexner 333 Main Street Armonk, NY 10504 Tel: 914-749-8200 Fax: 914-749-8300 dboies@bsfllp.com
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+Sigrid McCawley: Boies Schiller & Flexner 401 E. Las Olas Boulevard, Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 Tel: 954-356-0011 Fax: 954-356-0022 smccawley@bsfllp.com
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+Meredith Boles Schiller & Flexner 401 E. Las Olas Boulevard, Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 Tel: 954-356-0011 Fax: 954-356-0022 mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+Paul Cassel: University of Utah 383 University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112 Tel: 801-585-5202 Fax: 801-585-2750 cassellp@law.utah.edu
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+J. Stan Pottinger: 49 Twin Lakes Road South Salem, NY 10590 Tel: 914-763-8333 stanDottinizeaaol.com
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+, Jaffe, Weissing, Fistos & Lehrman 425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 Tel: 954-524-2820 Fax: 954-524-2822 brad@pathtojustice.com
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+# Defendant's Trial Counsel:
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+Laura Menninger: Haddon, and P.C. 150 East 10th Avenue Denver, CO 80203 Tel: 303-831-7364 Fax: 303-832-2628 Imenninger@hmflaw.com
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+Jeffrey Pagliuca: Haddon and P.C. 150 East 10th Avenue Denver, CO 80203 Tel: 303-831-7364 Fax: 303-832-2628 inagliucaahmflaw.com
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+## United States District Court Southern District of New York
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+Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+v.
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+Ghislaine Maxwell,
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+Defendant.
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+## NOTICE OF PLAINTIFF'S PROPOSED REDACTIONS TO THIS COURT'S APRIL 4, 2017 ORDER DENYING MOTIONT. I A H
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+Plaintiff, hereby files this proposed redactions of the April 4, 2017
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+Order Denying hereto as Sealed Exhibit I. Motion to Quash. See Plaintiffs proposed redactions attached
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+Dated: April 18, 2017
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+Respectfully Submitted,
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+By: /s Sigrid McCawlev Boies Schiller Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+By: /s Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCa.1 (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) Meredith (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) Boles Schiller Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+David Boles Boles Schiller & Flexner LLP 333 Main Street Armonk, NY 10504
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+J. (Admitted Pro Hac Vice)
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+M IAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 (954) 524-2820
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+Paul G. Cassell (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) S.J. Quinney College of Law University of Utah 383 University St. Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-5202i
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+This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
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+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on the 18th day of April, 2017, I served the attached document via CM/ECF and e-mail to the following counsel of record.
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+Laura A. Menninger, Esq.
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+Jeffrey Paglho,
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+HADDON, &a, P.C.
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+150 East 10 Avenue
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+Denver, Colorado 80203
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+Tel: (303) 831-7364
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+Fax: (303) 832-2628
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+Email: Imenninger@hmflaw.com
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+jpagliuca@hmflaw.com
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+igee@hmflaw.com
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+By: /s Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCawley (Admitted Pro Hac Vice) Boles Schiller Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+**UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
+FOR THE
+SECOND CIRCUIT**
+
+At a Stated Term of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, held at the Thurgood Marshall United States Courthouse, 40 Foley Square, in the City of New York, on the 18th day of April, two thousand and seventeen,
+
+\_\_\_\_\_
+
+[REDACTED],
+
+Plaintiff - Appellee,
+
+v.
+
+Ghislaine Maxwell,
+
+Defendant,
+
+v.
+
+Sharon Churcher, Jeffrey Epstein,
+
+Respondents,
+
+Alan M. Dershowitz,
+
+Intervenor - Appellant.
+
+The parties in the above-referenced case have filed a stipulation withdrawing this appeal pursuant to Local Rule 42.1.
+
+The stipulation is hereby "So Ordered".
+
+For The Court:
+Catherine O'Hagan Wolfe,
+Clerk of Court
+
+![]()A True Copy
+
+Catherine O'Hagan Wolfe, Clerk
+
+![]()
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+#### UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
+
+X
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+Plaintiff. v.
+
+GHISLAINE MAXWELL.
+
+Defendant.
+
+X
+
+15-cv-07433-RWS
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+Reply in Support of Motion to Appoint Special to Preside Over Third Deposition of Defendant
+
+> Laura A. Menninger Jeffrey S. Pagliuca Ty Gee HADDON, AND 150 East 101 Avenue Denver, CO 80203 303.831.7364 P.C.
+
+Defendant Ghislaine Maxwell ("Ms. Maxwell"), pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 53, files this Reply in Support of Motion to Appoint a Special to Preside over the Third Deposition of Defendant Ghislaine Maxwell, and states as follows:
+
+### INTRODUCTION
+
+Plaintiff apparently intends to make Ms. Maxwell's third deposition yet another round of repetitious and duplicative questions regarding subjects already twice covered. In response to a request for a special , Plaintiff argues she is entitled to four hours of questioning (two hours on the 4 subjects outlined on page 7 of the Court's November 2, 2016 Order and an additional two hours on two emails consisting of a total of 4 pages). Plaintiff clearly intends to harass Ms. Maxwell and subject her to hours of repetitive questions that will force defense counsel no option but to object and end the deposition to seek a protective order.
+
+To avoid this outcome, which likely would result in further motions practice and the delay of a trial scheduled to begin in less than 25 days, Ms. Maxwell simply requests a neutral arbiter to preside over the deposition. Plaintiffs unfounded objection simply confirms that she would rather have free reign to ask inappropriate and duplicative questions outside the scope of permitted topics. Without immediate determinations on the propriety of the questions, Ms. Maxwell's counsel will be in the Catch 22 positon of either letting improper examination continue or facing a request for a fourth deposition. Appointment of a Special can stop this madness.
+
+## I. TIME LIMITS FOR THE DEPOSITION
+
+The parties obviously disagree as to the permitted length of the deposition. We believe this Court's November 2, 2016 Order and its oral ruling on November 10, 2016 permit the same
+
+'Ms. Maxwell would have no objection to the reference to a magistrate judge to oversee the deposition, which would alleviate any concerns about additional costs.
+
+two hours of deposition, with the November 10 Order (issued orally at a hearing mere days after the order permitting the third deposition issued) simply expanding the permitted topics to include the two emails inadvertently produced late by defense counsel. This reading makes sense as it seems impossible for examination on the contents of 2 emails, totaling 4 pages, to take two hours. Regardless of the determination on the appointment of a Special , both parties would benefit from clarification of the time allotted: either I I two hours of total deposition time for nonduplicative questioning on the topics of (a) (b) , (c) women brought by Tony (d) other women who gave massages to Jeffrey Epstein ("Epstein"), and any evidence, circumstances, or records relating to the massages, and (e) the two emails produced August 16, 20162 or 2) two hours on the 4 topics identified in the Nov. 2, 2016 Order and two hours on the two emails produced in August 2016.
+
+# H. THE SPECIAL WILL NOT REQUIRE EXCESSIVE PREPARATION
+
+The function of the special is limited — rule on objections raised at the deposition concerning the scope of the examination, including repetitive questioning outside the scope of the order, or claims of harassment and oppression. It is this type of questioning that may require counsel to either terminate the deposition, instruct the witness not to answer, to enforce the limitations of the Court's orders, or seek a protective order, all of which are permitted by Fed. R. Civ. P. 30(c)(2). The is not being asked to rule on evidentiary objections, which will continue to be preserved for the record in the standard format — i.e. objection to form and foundation, followed by response from witness (unless privileged information is requested).
+
+The will be asked to read party-designated sections of the prior two depositions that have already covered the topics at issue to avoid repetitive questioning consistent with the
+
+2 Plaintiff does not contest, and both parties agree, that non-duplicative questioning on these 5 topics is the full scope of permitted questioning.
+
+Court's Order. While the may choose to read the entire deposition, it will not be required. There is no need for reviewing over 800 pleadings, motions, or Orders, or a deep familiarity with any proceeding other than the prior two depositions. By reviewing the Orders at issue and the prior deposition questions on these same subjects, and with knowledge of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure relating to depositions, the will be fully prepared to preside over the deposition.
+
+The Court can determine for itself if it is harassing for a lawyer to refuse a restroom break requested by the deponent when there was no question pending. It will come as no surprise to this Court that the tone and demeanor of Plaintiff's counsel in Ms. Maxwell's prior depositions has been sharp, often sarcastic, and most would say insolent. While we have not previously halted the depositions for this behavior in an effort to avoid the necessity of more motions and yet another deposition, it would have been justified. No attorney should be heard to complain that having a third party neutral present to ensure proper, ethical, and non-harassing conduct is oppressive or burdensome. If one does not intend to use such improper tactics, there is no reason to protest.
+
+The request for a Special is not a stalling tactic. It is an attempt to avoid a repeat performance of improper duplicative questions that will lead to halting the deposition to enforce the limits of the Court's Order, followed by a motion for protective order and almost inevitably a cross motion for a fourth deposition. This would, of course, delay the trial in this matter that is scheduled to start on May 15, 2017. The simple procedural mechanism is far less costly to both parties than the costs of the motions practice, a hearing in New York, and delay of trial that will inevitably result from the lack of a Special if history is any indication. The two hours of
+
+deposition time and an estimated 10 or less hours of preparation time that would be required by the is a far better employment of resources than further briefing on these issues.
+
+### CONCLUSION
+
+WHEREFORE, Defendant requests the appointment of a special under Fed. R. Civ. P. 53 to oversee this third and final two-hour deposition of Ms. Maxwell with the power as identified in the Motion.
+
+Dated: April 20, 2017.
+
+Respectfully submitted,
+
+Is/ Laura A. Menninger
+
+Laura A. Menninger (LM-1374)
+
+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca (pro hac vice)
+
+Ty Gee (pro hac vice)
+
+HADDON, AND P.C.
+
+150 East 10 Avenue
+
+Denver, CO 80203
+
+Phone: 303.831.7364
+
+Fax: 303.832.2628
+
+lmenninger@hmflaw.com
+
+Attorneys for Ghislaine Maxwell
+
+#### CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
+
+I certify that on April 20, 2017, 1 electronically served this Reply in Support of Motion to Appoint Special to Preside Over Third Deposition of Defendant via ECF on the following:
+
+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith Bows, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
+
+J. JAFFE, WEISSING, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Ave., Ste. 2 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 brad@pathtojustice.com
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+Paul G. Cassell 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112 cassellp@law.utah.edu
+
+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
+
+/s/ Holly Rogers
+
+Holly Rogers
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+**UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
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+-----X
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+**Declaration of Laura A. Menninger in Support of Defendant's Renewed
+Motion to Produce Documents and Respond to Deposition Questions
+and to Complete Search of ESI**
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+I, Laura A. Menninger, declare as follows:
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+1. I am an attorney at law duly licensed in the State of New York and admitted to practice in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. I am a member of the law firm Haddon, [REDACTED] & [REDACTED], P.C., counsel of record for Defendant Ghislaine Maxwell in this action. I respectfully submit this Declaration in support of Ms. Maxwell's Renewed Motion to Compel Non-Party Witness to Produce Documents and to Respond to Deposition Questions and Complete Search of ESI.
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+2. Attached as Exhibit A is a true and correct copy of [REDACTED]
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+[REDACTED]
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+3. Attached as Exhibit B is a true and correct copy of [REDACTED]
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+[REDACTED]
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+4. Attached as Exhibit C are true and correct copies of [REDACTED]
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+[REDACTED]
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+5. Attached as Exhibit D is a true and correct copy of [REDACTED]
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+[REDACTED]
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+[REDACTED]
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+6. Attached as Exhibit E is a true and correct copy of [REDACTED]
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+[REDACTED]
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+7. Attached as Exhibit F are a list of additional proposed search terms for purposes of a search of [REDACTED] ESI.
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+I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
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+Executed on April 20, 2017.
+
+*s/ Laura A. Menninger*
+Laura A. Menninger
+
+## CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on April 20, 2017, I electronically served this Declaration of Laura A. Menninger in Support of Defendant's Renewed Motion to Compel Non-Party Witness to Respond to Deposition Questions and Complete Search of ESI via ECF on the following:
+
+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith &HES, \$CHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsflIp.com
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+
+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
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+/s/ Holly Rogers
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+Holly Rogers
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+### UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+X
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+Plaintiff, v.
+
+GHISLAINE MAXWELL. Defendant.
+
+X
+
+15-cv-07433-RWS
+
+## Renewed Motion to Compel Non-Party Witness to Produce Documents and Respond to Deposition Questions and to Complete Search of ESI
+
+Laura A. Menninger Jeffrey S. Pagliuca Ty Gee HADDON, AND 150 East 10' Avenue Denver, CO 80203 303.831.7364 P.C.
+
+## TABLE OF CONTENTS
+
+| INTRODUCTION | 1 |
+|-------------------------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------|
+| ARGUMENT | 2 |
+| Standard for Re-Opening Deposition | 2 |
+| REOPENING THE DEPOSITION | 3 |
+| A. The newly produced documents require that the deposition be reopened | 3 |
+| B. The documents confirm that | refusal to respond to questioning concerning |
+| her alleged representation by Dershowitz was improper | 9 |
+| DOCUMENTS | 11 |
+| documents | 11 |
+| documents withheld | 13 |
+| A Privilege Log should be required | 14 |
+
+# PAGES 1-17 (FILED UNDER SEAL)
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+Respectfully submitted,
+
+Is/ Laura A. Menninger
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+Laura A. Menninger (LM-1374)
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+Jeffrey S. Pagliuca (pro hac vice)
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+Ty Gee (pro hac vice) HADDON, 'WAND P.C.
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+150 East 10 Avenue
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+Denver, CO 80203
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+Phone: 303.831.7364
+
+Fax: 303.832.2628
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+lmenninger@hmflaw.com
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+Attorneys for Ghislaine Maxwell
+
+#### CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I certify that on April 20, 2017, I electronically served this Defendant's Renewed Motion to Compel Non-Party Witness to Respond to Deposition Questions and Complete Search of ER via ECF on the following:
+
+Sigrid S. McCawley Meredith Bows, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Ste. 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 smccawley@bsfllp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+Paul G. Cassell 383 S. University Street Salt Lake City, UT 84112 cassellp@law.utah.edu
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+J. Stanley Pottinger 49 Twin Lakes Rd. South Salem, NY 10590 StanPottinger@aol.com
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+/s/ Holly Rogers
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+Holly Rogers
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+Sigrid S. McCawley, Esq. E-mail: smccawlevrabsflIchcorg
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+April 24, 2017
+
+## VIA CM/ECF
+
+Honorable Judge Robert W. Sweet District Court Judge United States District Court 500 Pearl Street New York, NY 10007
+
+> Re: v. Maxwell, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
+
+Dear Judge Sweet:
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+The February 23, 2017 Scheduling Order provides that the proposed agreed upon/disputed Jury Instruction and Verdict forms be submitted by April 24, 2017. The parties request a four (4) business day extension of time on the schedule for completing these tasks. The parties have conferred on the matter and are in agreement with the slight modification to the schedule.
+
+Accordingly, the parties request permission to be permitted to submit the proposed Jury Instruction and Verdict forms by Friday, April 28, 2017.
+
+cc: Counsel of Record
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+Respectfully submitted,
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+s/ Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCawley, Esq. BOLES SCHILLER FLEXNER Counsel for Plaintiff
+
+s/ Jeff Paul uea Jeff Pagliu HADDON11.8c P.C. Counsel for Defendant
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+
+April 24, 2017
+
+Sigrid S. McCawley, Esq. ----E-makkaanccawley@bsillo.corn
+
+
+
+Honorable Judge Robert W. Sweet District Court Judge United States District Court 500 Pearl Street ii uSDC SDNY
+
+
+
+Re: v. Maxwell, • DOC #:
+
+Dear Judge Sweet:
+
+The February 23, 2017 Scheduling Order provides that the proposed agreed upon/disputed Jury Instruction and Verdict forms be submitted by April 24, 2017. The parties request a four (4) business day extension of time on the schedule for completing these tasks. The parties have conferred on the matter and are in agreement with the slight modification to the schedule.
+
+Accordingly, the parties request permission to be permitted to submit the proposed Jury Instruction and Verdict forms by Friday, April 28, 2017.
+
+6-7 Lci-ecTs u s 74- • z c -C7
+
+cc: Counsel of Record
+
+Respectfully submitted,
+
+s/ Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCawley, Esq. BOLES SCHILLER FLEXNER Counsel for Plaintiff
+
+51 Jeff Pauli ue a Jeff Pagliuca ES HADDON, & Counsel for Defendant , P.C.
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+UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
+SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+-----X
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+[REDACTED],
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+Plaintiff,
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+15 Civ. 7433 (RWS)
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+- against -
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+O R D E R
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+GHISLAINE MAXWELL,
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+Defendant.
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+-----X
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+
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+Sweet, D.J.
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+The defendant Ghislaine Maxwell ("Maxwell" or the "Defendant") has moved for the appointment of a special [REDACTED] to preside over her final deposition. The motion is denied.
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+The final deposition of Maxwell will be limited to three (3) hours and will be held in Courtroom 18C at 500 Pearl Street, on a date and time on which the parties and the Court agree. The deposition will be supervised by the Court.
+
+It is so ordered.
+
+New York, NY
+April 24, 2017
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+![]()
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+UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+X
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+Plaintiff,
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+15 Civ. 7433 (RWS)
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+- against -
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+GHISLAINE MAXWELL,
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+Defendant.
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+Sweet, D.J.
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+ORDER
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+p======r sc • 7. 1,-;DNY -r:;: EN!' X
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+The motion to compel filed April 20, 2017 shall be heard on Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 11:00 AM in Courtroom 18C, United States Courthouse, 500 Pearl Street. All papers shall be served in accordance with Local Civil Rule 6.1.
+
+It is so ordered.
+
+New York, NY
+
+April , 2017 ROBE r. SWEE
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+## United States District Court Southern District of New York
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+Plaintiff,
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+v.
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+Ghislaine Maxwell,
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+Defendant.
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+/
+
+Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+## RESPONSE IN OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANT'S RENEWED MOTION TO COMPEL NON-PARTY WITNESS TO PRODUCE DOCUMENTS AND RESPOND TO DEPOSITION OUESTIONS AND TO COMPLETE SEARCH OF ESI
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+## TABLE OF CONTENTS
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+Non-party, [REDACTED], by and through her undersigned counsel, hereby files this reply in Opposition to Defendant’s Renewed Motion to Compel Non-Party Witness to Produce Documents and Respond to Deposition Questions and to Complete Search of ESI (DE 864)1.
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+**BACKGROUND**
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+Despite the way the instant motion is styled by Defendant, it is little more than an improper Motion for Reconsideration, as Defendant attempts to re-litigate her previous motion to compel [REDACTED] documents -- a motion upon which this Court has already ruled. This is Defendant’s second such effort in as many weeks. As the Court will recall, Defendant recently filed another Motion for Reconsideration (DE 844) on April 11, 2016. This Court summarily denied that motion the day after it was filed. *See* DE 853, April 12, 2017 Order Denying Motion for Reconsideration (“The Defendant’s motion for reconsideration, ECF No. 844, is denied.”). And now, a mere eight days later, on April 20, 2017, Defendant filed yet another Motion for Reconsideration of this Court’s Order regarding discovery of non-party witness, [REDACTED] but styled it as a “Motion to Compel.” This motion requires the same treatment.
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+[REDACTED] *See Smartix International LLC v. Garrubbo, Romankow & Capese*, No. 06 CIV 1501 (JGK), 2007 WL 41666035 at \*2 (S.D.N.Y Nov. 20, 2007) (court protecting deponent from annoyance, embarrassment and harassment by denying party’s attempt to obtain personnel records relating to non-party).
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+Courts are more vigilant with these protections when the discovery is being sought from a non-party. “[T]he fact of non-party status may be considered by the Court in weighing the burdens imposed in the circumstances.” *Katz v. Batavia Marine & Sporting Supplies, Inc.*, 984 F.2d 422, 424 (Fed.Cir.1993); *accord Amini Innovation Corp. v. McFerran Home Furnishings, Inc.*, 300 F.R.D. 406, 409 (C.D. Cal. 2014); *see also Dart Industries Co., Inc. v. Westwood Chemical Co.*, 649 F.2d 646 (9th Cir. 1980) (“While discovery is a valuable right and should not be unnecessarily restricted, the ‘necessary’ restriction may be broader when a non-party is the target of discovery.”).
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+Courts have routinely denied the discovery of non-parties when it is clear that the purpose is to obtain personal information for intimidating or harassing the witness. *See DaCosta v. City of Danbury*, 298 F.R.D. 37 (D. Conn. 2014). [REDACTED]
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+F.R.D. 85, 92 (D. Conn. 2012) (finding request for production on non-party - including creation of privilege log - too burdensome). "Within this [Second] Circuit, courts have held nonparty status to be a 'significant' factor in determining whether discovery is unduly burdensome."
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+Tucker, 281 F.R.D. at 92 (citing Solarex Corp. v. Arco Solar. Inc., 121 F.R.D. 163, 179 (E.D.N.Y. 1988) (status as non-party "significant" factor in denying defendant's discovery demand
+
+## CONCLUSION
+
+Dated: April 26, 2017
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+Respectfully Submitted,
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+By: /s/ J. Stanley Pottinger
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+J. Stanley Pottin er Pro Hac Vice) Counsel for
+
+### CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
+
+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on the 26th of April, 2017, I electronically filed the foregoing document with the Clerk of Court by using the CM/ECF system. I also certify that the foregoing document is being served this day on the individuals identified below via transmission of Notices of Electronic Filing generated by CM/ECF.
+
+Laura A. Menninger, Esq. Jeffrey Paglio, HADDON, & 150 East 10 Avenue Denver, Colorado 80203 Tel: (303) 831-7364 Fax: (303) 832-2628 Email: Imenninger@hmflaw.com jnagliuca@hinflaw.com , P.C.
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+Sigrid Mc vley, Esq. Meredith Esq. BOLES SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 401 E. Las Olas Boulevard Suite 1200 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 Tel: (954) 356-0011 Fax: (954) 956-0022 smccawley@bsflIp.com mschultz@bsfllp.com
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+David Boies BOLES SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP 333 Main Street Armonk, NY 10504 dboies@bsflIp.com
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+(Pro Hac Vice) JAFFE, WEISSING, , FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 (954) 524-2820 brad@pathtojustice.com
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+Paul G. Cassell (Pro Hac Vice) S.J. Quinney College of Law University of Utah 383 University St. Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-52023 cassellpelaw.utah.edu
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+Peter Guirguis, Esq. MINTZ & GOLD, LLP 600 Third Avenue New York, NY 10016 (212) 696-4848 guirguis®mintzandgold.com
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+/s/ J. Stanley Pottinger
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+J. Stanley Pottinger
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+3 This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
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+| USDC SDNY DOCUMENT ELECTRONICALLY FILED DOC #: X DATE FILED: | 4/27/17 |
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+GHISLAINE MAXWELL,
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+Maxwell.
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+### APPEARANCE S:
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+Counsel for
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+X
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+15 Civ. 7433
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+BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP 401 East Las Olas Boulevard, Suite 1200 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 By: Sigrid S. McCawley, Esq. Meredith L. , Esq.
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+Counsel for Maxwell
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+HADDON, AND , P.C. 150 East Tenth Avenue Denver, CO 80203 By: Laura A. Menninger, Esq. Jeffrey S. Pagliuca, Esq.
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+OPINION
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+Sweet, D.J.
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+The defendant Ghislaine Maxwell ("Maxwell" or the "Maxwell") has moved pursuant to Rule 56, Fed. R. Civ. P., for summary judgment dismissing the complaint of plaintiff (S" or the 1IIIIIII") alleging defamation. Upon the facts and conclusions set forth below, the motion is denied.
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+The contested facts derived from discovery subject to the Protective Order of March 17, 2016 have been redacted.
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+### I. Prior Proceedings
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+Since the filing of the complaint on September 21, 2015, setting forth claim of defamation by Maxwell, this action has been vigorously litigated, as demonstrated by the 704 docket entries as of March 8, 2017. At issue is the truth or falsity of a January 2015 statement issued by Maxwell. Discovery has proceeded, a joint pretrial order has been filed, and the action is set for trial on May 15, 2017. The instant motion was heard and marked fully submitted on February 16, 2017.
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+**II. The Facts**
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+The facts have been set forth in Maxwell's Memorandum of Law in Support of Maxwell's Motion for Summary Judgment, Southern District of New York, Local Rule 56.1; [REDACTED] Statement of Contested Facts and [REDACTED] Undisputed Facts; and Maxwell's Reply to [REDACTED] Statement of Contested Facts and [REDACTED] Undisputed Facts pursuant to Local Civil Rule 56.1. They are not in dispute except as noted below.
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+Summary judgment is appropriate only where "there is no genuine issue as to any material fact and . . . the moving party is entitled to a judgment as a matter of law." Fed. R. Civ. P. 56(c). "[T]he substantive law will identify which facts are material." [REDACTED] v. Liberty Lobby, Inc., 477 U.S. 242, 248 (1986).
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+A dispute is "genuine" if "the evidence is such that a reasonable jury could return a verdict for the nonmoving party."
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+Id. The relevant inquiry on application for summary judgment is "whether the evidence presents a sufficient disagreement to require submission to a jury or whether it is so one-sided that one party must prevail as a matter of law." Id. at 251-52. A court is not charged with weighing the evidence and determining its truth, but with determining whether there is a genuine issue for trial. Westinghouse Elec. Corp. v. N.Y. City Transit Ruth., 735 F. Supp. 1205, 1212 (S.D.N.Y. 1990) (quoting , 477 U.S. at 249). "[T]he mere existence of some alleged factual dispute between the parties will not defeat an otherwise properly supported motion for summary judgment; the requirement is that there be no genuine issue of material fact." 477 U.S. at 247-48 (emphasis in original).
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+While the moving party bears the initial burden of showing that no genuine issue of material fact exists, Atl. Mut. Ins. Co. v. CSX Lines, L.L.C., 432 F.3d 428, 433 (2d Cir. 2005), in cases where the non-moving party bears the burden of persuasion at trial, "the burden on the moving party may be discharged by `showing'—that is, pointing out to the district court—that there is an absence of evidence to support the nonmoving party's case." Celotex Corp. v. Catrett, 477 U.S. 317, 325 (1986). "It is ordinarily sufficient for the movant to point
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+to a lack of evidence . . . on an essential element of the nonmovant's claim . . . . (Tjhe nonmoving party must (then) come forward with admissible evidence sufficient to raise a genuine issue cf fact for trial . . . ." Jaramillo v. Weyerhaeuser Co., 536 F.3d 140, 145 (2d Cir. 2008) (internal citations omitted); see also Goenaga v. March of Dimes Birth Defects Found., 51 F.3d 14, 18 (2d Cir. 1995) ("Once the moving party has made a properly supported showing sufficient to suggest the absence of any genuine issue as to a material fact, the nonmoving party ... must come forward with evidence that would be sufficient to support a jury verdict in his favor").
+
+# IV. The Motion for Summary Judgment on Republication Grounds is Denied
+
+Maxwell has moved for summary judgment dismissing complaint on the grounds that Maxwell is not liable for the republication of her Press Release by the media. Because as a matter of law the issuer of a press release is responsible for its publication, the motion is denied.
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+In New York, liability for a republication "must be based on real authority to influence the final product."
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+v. Costa-Gavras, 580 F. Supp. 1082, 1096 (S.D.N.Y. 1984); see also Hoffman v. Landers, 146 A.D.2d 744, 747 (N.Y. App. Div. 2d Dep't 1989) ("One who makes a defamatory statement is not responsible for its recommunication without his authority or request by another over whom he has no control."). Where a defendant "had no actual part in composing or publishing," he cannot be held liable "without disregarding the settled rule of law that no man is bound for the tortious act of another over whom he has not a power of control." , 580 F. Supp. at 1096 (internal quotation marks and citation omitted). The New York Court of Appeals summarized New York's republication liability standard in Geraci v. Probst, 938 N.E.2d 917 (N.Y. 2010), stating that
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+> one who . . . prints and publishes a libel[] is not responsible for its voluntary and unjustifiable repetition, without his authority or request, by others over whom he has no control and who thereby make themselves liable to the person injured, and that such repetition cannot be considered in law a necessary, natural and probable consequence of the original slander or libel.
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+938 N.E.2d at 921 (internal quotation marks and citation omitted). Thus, "conclusive evidence of lack of actual authority [is) sufficiently dispositive that the [court] `hats) no option but to dismiss the case . . . .'" , 580 F. Supp. at 1096
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+(quoting Rinaldi v. Viking Penguin, Inc., 420 N.E.2d 377, 382 (N.Y. 1981)).
+
+However, New York law assigns liability to individuals for the media's publication of press releases. New York appellate courts have held that an individual is liable for the media publishing that individual's defamatory press release. See Levy v. , 132 A.D.3d 961, 962-63 (N.Y. App. Div. 2d Dep't 2015) ("Generally, [o)ne who makes a defamatory statement is not responsible for its recommunication without his authority or request by another over whom he has no control . . . . Here, however, . . . the appellant intended and authorized the republication of the allegedly defamatory content of the press releases in the news articles."); see also RESTATEMENT (SECOND) OF TORTS § 576 (1977) ("The publication of a libel or slander is a legal cause of any special harm resulting from its repetition by a third person if . . . the repetition was authorized or intended by the original defamer, or . . . the repetition was reasonably to be expected.")
+
+The facts as set forth above establish that Maxwell approved the Press Release. The Press Release was sent to between six and 30 media representatives by Gow as an employee
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+of Acuity Reputation, the public relations firm hired by Maxwell. The initial sentence of the Press Release - "Please find attached a quotable statement on behalf of Maxwell" communicates Maxwell's authorization for the media recipients of the Press Release to publish it. See Nat'l Puerto Rican Day Parade, Inc. v. Casa Pubs., Inc., 79 A.D.3d 592, 595 (N.Y. App. Div. 1st Dep't 2010) (affirming the refusal to dismiss defamation counts against a defendant who "submitted an open letter that was published in [a] newspaper, and that [the defendant] paid to have the open letter published," finding that the defendant "authorized [the newspaper] to recommunicate his statements.").
+
+Maxwell has cited Geraci v. Probst in support of her position, but Geraci is distinguishable from the instant action. In Geraci, the defendant sent a letter to the Board of Fire Commissioners, and, more than three years later, a newspaper published the letter. The court held that the defendant was not liable for that belated publication, "made years later without his knowledge or participation." 938 N.E.2d at 919. Here, unlike in Geraci, the Press Release was not published "without [her] authority or request," but rather with Maxwell's authority and
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+by her express request. Gow's testimony establishes Maxwell's authority and control over the Press Release:
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+- Q. When you sent that email were you acting pursuant to Ms. Maxwell's retention of your services?
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+- A. Yes, I was
+
+\*\*\*
+
+- Q. The subject line does have "FW" which to me indicates it's a forward. Do you know where the rest of this email chain is?
+
+- A. My understanding of this is: It was a holiday in the UK, but Mr. Barden was not necessarily accessible at some point in time, so this had been sent to him originally by Ms. Maxwell, and because he was unavailable, she forwarded it to me for immediate action. I therefore respond, "Okay, Ghislaine, I'll go with this."
+
+It is my understanding that this is the agreed statement because the subject of the second one is "Urgent, this is the statement" so I take that as an instruction to send it out, as a positive command: "This is the statement."
+
+Maxwell also cites v. Costa-Gavras, involving a libel claim against an author who wrote a book about a military coup in Chile. 580 F. Supp. at 1085. Years after the author published the book, a third-party publishing house republished the book in paperback form and a third-party filmmaker released a movie based on the book. The book author did not actually participate in the republications, though he was aware of the
+
+projects. The court held that the author of the book could not be held liable for the republications, explaining that a "party who is `innocent of all complicity' in the publication of a libel cannot be held accountable." 580 F. Supp. at 1094 (internal citations omitted). The court further noted that "active participation in implementing the republication resurrects the liability." Id. Likewise, in Karaduman v. Newsday, Inc., 416 N.E.2d 557 (1980), also cited by Maxwell, the court held that reporters of a series of articles on narcotics trade "cannot be held personally liable for injuries arising from (the) subsequent republication in book form absent a showing that they approved or participated in some other manner in the activities of the third-party republisher." Id. at 559- 560. However, the court explicitly noted that this result was required because "the record (wags barren of any concrete evidence of the reporters' involvement in the republication of the newspaper series." Id. at 540.
+
+Here, there is evidence in the record that Maxwell "actively participated" in influencing the media to publish the Press Release, , 580 F. Supp. at 1094, and "approved" of and sought the publication of the press release, Karaduman, 416 N.E.2d at 560. Maxwell retained a public relations media
+
+specialist. The Press Release was sent by Maxwell's express request. Gow's testimony about the process leading up to the dissemination of the Press Release indicates that Maxwell did, indeed, "authorize or intend" for the media recipients to publish the statement. Because there are sufficient facts to demonstrate Maxwell's authority and control over the publication of the Press Release, Maxwell's liability for the Press Release's publication survives the motion for summary judgment.
+
+Maxwell has additionally asserted that subjecting her to liability for republication is "particularly unfair" because excerpts of the Press Release, rather than the whole statement, were published. Def.'s Reply at 9. Maxwell cites to Rand v. New York Times Co., 75 A.D.2d 417 (N.Y. App. Div. 1st Dep't 1980), in which a newspaper paraphrased the defendant's opinion, essentially "excis(ing] the opinion from the context in which it was given." Id. at 424. No similar alteration, sanitizaticn, hyperbolizing, or paraphrasing of Maxwell's statements has been established here. Nor does the record establish that any statements of Maxwell's were taken out of context; rather, they were directly quoted, accurately and unchanged. The publication of Maxwell's statement that claims are "obvious lies"
+
+does not distort or misrepresent the message Maxwell intended to convey to the public with the Press Release.
+
+Because the purpose of the issuance of the Press Release was publication, Maxwell is liable for its content and the motion for summary judgment on the grounds of non-liability for republication is denied.
+
+## V. The Motion for Summary Judgment to Dismiss the Defamation Claim on the Ground of Substantial Truth is Denied
+
+Maxwell has asserted that the Press Release is substantially true and that the defamation claim should therefore be dismissed. See Def.'s Br. at 39. Whether or not lied about Maxwell's involvement in the events that has alleged tcok place is the intensely contested factual issue that is the foundation of this action. Accordingly, summary judgment is not appropriate. See Mitre Sports Intern. Ltd. v. Homo Box Office, Inc., 22 F. Supp. 3d 240, 255 (S.D.N.Y. 2014) (denying summary judgment because it would require the Court to decide disputed facts to determine whether the statement at issue was substantially true); Da Silva v. Time Inc., 908 F. Supp. 184, 187 (S.D.N.Y. 1995) (denying motion for summary judgment because there was a genuine issue of material fact as to whether defamatory photo and caption were true).
+
+Under New York law, "truth is an absolute, unqualified defense to a civil defamation action" and "'substantial truth' suffices to defeat a charge of libel." Jewell v. NYP Holdings, Inc., 23 F. Supp. 2d 348, 366 (S.D.N.Y. 1998) (internal quotation marks and citations omitted). A statement is substantially true if the statement would not "have a different effect on the mind of the reader from that which the pleaded truth would have produced." Id. (quoting Fleckenstein v.
+
+, 193 N.E. 537, 538 (N.Y. 1934)). Thus, "it is not necessary to demonstrate complete accuracy to defeat a charge of libel. It is only necessary that the gist or substance of the challenged statements be true." Printers II, Inc. v. Professionals Publishing, Inc., 784 F.2d 141, 146 (2d Cir. 1986); see also Korkala v. W.W. Norton & Co., 618 F.Supp. 152, 155 (S.D.N.Y. 1985) ("Slight inaccuracies of expression are immaterial provided that the defamatory charge is true in substance.") (internal quotation marks and citation omitted); Sharon v. Time, Inc., 609 F.Supp. 1291, 1294 (S.D.N.Y. 1984) ("Defendant is permitted to prove the substantial truth of this statement by establishing any other proposition that has the
+
+same `gist' or `sting' as the original libel, that is, the same effect on the mind of the reader.").
+
+The Honorable Loretta A. Preska has noted that cases addressing whether a statement is substantially true "fall along a broad spectrum." Jewell, 23 F. Supp. at 367. There are cases in which a statement is non-actionable because it is completely true. See, e.g., Carter, 233 A.D.2d 473, 474 (N.Y. App. Div. 2d Dep't 1996) (claim that defendant committed libel by informing the authorities that plaintiff was endorsing checks made payable to the defendant and depositing them in plaintiff's account held non-actionable where plaintiff had in fact endorsed checks made payable to the defendant). There are cases where "one struggles to identify any area of ambiguity as to truth." Jewell, 23 F. Supp. at 368; see, e.g., v. Journal-News, 211 A.D.2d 626, 627 (N.Y. App. Div. 2d Dep't 1995) (statement that plaintiff was "suspended" substantially true where plaintiff was placed on "administrative leave"). There are cases where the line between the statement and the admitted truth is more tenuous, but the overall "gist" cannot be said to be substantially different. See, e.g., Guccione v. Hustler Magazine, Inc., 800 F.2d 298, 302-03 (2d Cir. 1986) (holding that statement which implied that. plaintiff was then currently an adulterer was substantially true
+
+where plaintiff had ceased being an adulterer but had "unabashedly committed adultery" for thirteen of seventeen years). Finally, there are "those cases in which a defendant simply asks too much in asserting that a statement is substantially true because the difference between the two is plainly substantial." *Jewell*, 23 F. Supp. at 368. For example, the court in *Da Silva*, 908 F. Supp. at 186-87, held that a photograph of plaintiff which identified her as a prostitute was not substantially true where the plaintiff had been a prostitute for some six years but was not at the time of publication.
+
+After reviewing this spectrum of cases, the facts upon which Maxwell bases her argument are insufficient to allow this Court to find substantial truth as a matter of law. A material dispute of fact exists as to the "admitted truth" or the "reality" in this case. [REDACTED]
+
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+
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+
+[REDACTED] The details and significance of the facts offered are highly contested, and therefore cannot establish the "substantial truth" of the Press Release. "[R]easonable jurors could conclude that the statements
+
+. . are not substantially true." Boehner v. Heise, 734 F. Supp. 2d 389, 399 (S.D.N.Y. 2010).
+
+The motion for summary judgment to dismiss the defamation on the ground of substantial truth is denied as not having been established by undisputed material facts.
+
+# VI. The Defamation Claim is Not Barred by New York Law
+
+Maxwell has moved to dismiss the complaint on the ground that the Press Release is opinion and protected by the pre-litigation privilege under New York law. Because New York law does not support Maxwell's position, the motion for summary judgment based on the characterization of the Press Release as opinion and as protected by a pre-litigation privilege is denied.
+
+# 1. The Press Release is Not Opinion.
+
+As previously held, Maxwell's statement that • claims of sexual assault are lies is not an expression of opinion:
+
+First, statements that claims `against [Maxwell] are untrue,' have been `shown to be untrue,' and are `obvious lies' have a specific and readily understood factual meaning: that is not telling the truth about her history of sexual abuse and [Maxwell)'s role, and that some verifiable investigation has occurred and come to a definitive conclusion proving that fact. Second, these statements (as they themselves allege), are capable of being proven true or false, and therefore constitute actionable fact and not opinion. Third, in their full context, while [Maxwell]'s statements have the effect of generally denying story, they also clearly constitute fact to the reader.
+
+v. Maxwell, 165 F. Supp. 3d 147, 152 ;S.D.N.Y. 2016).
+
+This Court further concluded that
+
+Id.
+
+] cannot be making claims shown to be untrue that are obvious lies without being a liar. Furthermore, to suggest an individual is not telling the truth about her history of having been sexually assaulted as a minor constitutes more than a general denial, it alleges something deeply disturbing about the character of an individual willing to be publicly dishonest about such a reprehensible crime. [Maxwell)'s statements clearly imply that the denials are based on facts separate and contradictory to those that [ ] has alleged.
+
+Maxwell argues that the "context" of the entire statement "tested against the understanding of the average reader" should be that of a press release as a whole being read only by journalists. Def.'s Br. at 22 (quoting Aronson v. Wiersma, 483 N.E.2d 1138, 1139 (1985)). However, the ultimate
+
+audience for a press release is the public. The motion to dismiss opinion clearly addressed this issue:
+
+> Sexual assault of a minor is a clear-cut issue; either transgression occurred or it did not. Either Maxwell was involved or she was not. The issue is not a matter of opinion, and there cannot be differing understandings of the same facts that justify diametrically opposed opinion as to whether Maxwell was involved in abuse as has claimed. Either is telling the truth about her story and Maxwell's involvement, or Maxwell is telling the truth and she was not involved in the trafficking and ultimate abuse of
+
+, 165 F. Supp. at 152.
+
+Maxwell has urged that these conclusions at the motion to dismiss stage should be revisited and revised when considering the summary judgment motion since the standard for deciding a Rule 12(b)(6) motion is different from the standard for deciding a Rule 56 motion. In deciding a 12(b)(6) motion, the court must accept as true the factual allegations and draw all inferences in the plaintiff's favor; a plaintiff need only state a claim that is "plausible on its face." Id. at 149 (internal quotation narks and citation omitted). In contrast, for a Rule 56 motion, the plaintiff defending the motion may not "rest on (the] allegations" in her complaint. , 477 U.S. at 249.
+
+In deciding its motion to dismiss opinion, the Court relied on v. Boeheim, 22 N.E.3d 999 (2014), and held that the three allegedly defamatory statements in the Press Release have a specific and readily understood factual meaning, are capable of being proven true or false, and "clearly constitute fact to the reader." 165 F. Supp. at 152. The Court determined that "[t]he dispositive inquiry" for purposes of deciding whether an allegedly defamatory statement is fact or nonactionable opinion is whether "a reasonable reader could have concluded that the statements were conveying facts about the plaintiff." Id. at 151 (internal quotation marks and citation omitted). To answer that inquiry, three factors enumerated in were applied. See id. These three factors are the same as the four factors in Immuno AG v. Moor-Jankowski, 567 N.E.2d 1270 (N.Y. 1991); the difference is that the court collapsed the Immuno AG's third and fourth factors into one. See , 22 N.E.3d at 1005. "[Title critical aspect of the inquiry, as articulated in the third factor set forth above, is to view the statements in context." Jewell, 23 F. Supp. 2d at 377. This contextual analysis "proceeds on two levels, the `broader social setting' of the statements, as well as their `immediate
+
+Maxwell acknowledges that the Court properly applied at the motion to dismiss stage, but argues that the third factor, especially, benefits from the evidence presented in the motion for summary judgment. See Def.'s Br. at 32. In other words, Maxwell argues that "the Court did not have the `full context'" of the Press Release or the "broader social context and surrounding circumstances of the statement." Id. At the motion to dismiss stage, the text of the Press Release had not yet been produced, nor had there been production of emails or deposition testimony regarding the Press Release.
+
+The developed record necessitates the same conclusion as at the motion to dismiss stage. The context and surrounding circumstances remain the same. The publication was intended by Maxwell to reach the average reader, not simply the reporters, Barden's intent, a factual issue in contest, notwithstanding. The issue of truth or falsity is a factual determination, not a matter of opinion. See , 165 F. Supp. 3d at 152 ("(S)tatements that claims `against (Maxwell) are untrue,' have been `shown to be untrue,' and are `obvious lies' have a specific and readily understood factual meaning.").
+
+# 2. The Pre-Litigation Privilege is Inapplicable.
+
+Maxwell has contended that the pre-litigation privilege as enunciated in Front, Inc. v. Khalil, 28 N.E.3d 15, 16 (N.Y. 2015), applies. See Def.'s Br. at 33.
+
+"A privileged communication is one which, but for the occasion on which it is uttered, would be defamatory and actionable." Park Knoll Assocs. v. , 451 N.E.2d 182, .84 (N.Y. 1983). "[I]t is well-settled that statements made in the course of litigation are entitled to absolute privilege." Front, 28 N.E.3d at 18. The privilege that protects statements made in the course of litigation "can extend to preliminary or investigative stages of the process, particularly where compelling public interests are at stake." v. MetLife, Inc., 866 N.E.3d 439, 443 (N.Y. 2C07). In Front, the New York Court of Appeals ruled that the privilege for "statements made by attorneys prior to the commencement of litigation" is qualified rather than absolute. Id. at :6. Specifically, the Court held that an attorney's statements made before litigation has commenced are privileged if (1) the attorney has "a good faith basis to anticipate litigation" and (2) the statements are "pertinent to that anticipated litigation." Id. at 20.
+
+The anticipated litigation, according to the Press Release, was "redress at the repetition of such old defamatory claims." See Press Release. According to Barden, Maxwell's lawyer, he participated in the preparation of the Fress Release, the purpose of the Press Release was to dissuade the media from publishing allegations, and the implication of the Press Release was that any redress sought by Maxwell would be against the media. has disputed Barden's claim that the Press Release was his own statement.
+
+Certain of the cases cited by Maxwell in support of the privilege can be distinguished, according to in that they involve communications to or from parties to the ultimate litigation. See, e.g., Kirk v. Heppt, 532 F. Supp. 2d 586, 593 (S.D.N.Y. 2008) (the communication at issue was made by an attorney's client to the attorney's malpractice carrier concerning the client's justiciable controversy against the attorney over which the clients actually sued); Black v. Harbour Homeowners' Ass'n, Inc., 19 A.D.3d 962, 963 (N.Y. App. Div. 3d Dep't 2005) (privilege app lied to a letter sent by a home owner's association board of directors to the association's members informing them of the status of litigation to which the
+
+association was a party). contends that "there was no statement made by anyone before the commencement of litigation because litigation never commenced." See Pl.'s Opp'n at 42.
+
+Here, the communication at issue was sent to members of the media, and no litigation took place between. Maxwell and the media recipients of the Press Release.
+
+However, the pre-litigation privilege is not limited to statements between parties and their lawyers. "While the communications at issue in Front were among lawyers and potential parties, the New York Court of Appeals did not explicitly require the recipient of the challenged statements to be a lawyer or potential party." Feist v. Paxfire, Inc., No. 11 CIV. 5436 (LGS), 2C17 WL 177652, at \*5 (S.D.N.Y. Jan. 17, 2017); see Front, 28 N.E.3d at 16-17. The Second Circuit "summarily rejected this interpretation when it applied Front to an attorney's communications to the press." See Tacopina v. O'Keeffe, 645 F. App'x 7, 8 (2d Cir. 2016) ("Even crediting (the plaintiff]'s allegation that (the attorney] shared the affidavit with the Daily News before filing it in court, Tacopina has still not sustained his burden of showing that the statements were not pertinent to a good faith anticipated litigation.").
+
+Though a statement made to a non-party may be privileged, the pre-litigation privilege does not apply here because the Press Release cannot be considered a "statement[] made by [an] attorney." Front, 28 N.E.3d at 16. Whether Maxwell's attorney, Barden, had a hand in drafting the Press Release, and the extent to which he may have been involved, is a disputed issue of fact. The record evidence establishes that, regardless, the Press Release is properly attributable to Maxwell. Maxwell retained a public relations firm and sent her representative there, Gow, a forwarded email with the statements that were to be used in the Press Release. Maxwell instructed Gow to send it, as he testified in his depositicn. While Maxwell herself did not disseminate the email to the media recipients, neither did Barden. The statement was sent out by Gow.
+
+Additionally, the alleged defamatory statements in the Press Release were attributed te Maxwell, and not to her attorney or his agents. The email stated that the Press Release was a "statement on behalf of" Maxwell and notified the media recipients that "[n]o further communication will be provided by her [Maxwell] on this matter." There is no evidence in the email
+
+that the Press Release was anything near an attorney's statement; Barden was not even copied on the email.
+
+The pre-litigation privilege is intended to protect attorneys from defamations claims "so that those discharging a public function may speak freely to zealously represent their clients without fear of reprisal or financial hazard." Id. at 18. Where the statement cannot be attributed to an attorney, there is no justification for protecting it by privilege.
+
+In addition, as this Court concluded in denying Maxwell's motion to dismiss, "[t]here is no qualified privilege under New York law when such statements are spoken with malice, knowledge of their falsity, or reckless disregard for their truth." , 165 F. Supp. 3d at 155 (internal quotation marks and citation omitted). It is contention that Maxwell knew the statements were false because she engaged in and facilitated the sexual abuse of . Therefore, according to , they were not made in good faith anticipation of litigation, and instead were made for the inappropriate purpose of "bully[ing]," "harass]ment]," and nintimidfation]." See Front, 28 N.E.3d at 19 (2015). According to , there is ample record evidence that Maxwell acted
+
+with malice in issuing the Press Release, thereby making the pre-litigation privilege inapplicable.
+
+Because of the existence of triable issues of material fact rather than opinion and because the pre-litigation privilege is inapplicable, the motion for summary judgment is denied.
+
+#### VII. Conclusion
+
+For the reasons set forth above, the motion for summary judgment is denied.
+
+The parties are directed to jointly file a proposed redacted version of this Opinion consistent with the Protective Order or notify the Court that none are necessary within one week of the date of receipt of this Opinion.
+
+It is so ordered.
+
+New York, NY Nerch,Lpe 2017
+
+OBERT W. SWEET U.S.D.J.
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+**NOTICE OF ERRATA AND MOTION TO CORRECT DEPOSITION TRANSCRIPT**
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+SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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+[REDACTED],
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+Plaintiff
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+Case No. 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+GHISLAINE MAXWELL,
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+\_\_\_\_\_/
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+**DECLARATION OF JACK ALAN GOLDBERGER IN SUPPORT**
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+I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
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+/s/ Jack Alan Goldberger
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+Jack Alan Goldberger
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+**CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE**
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+I hereby certify that on April 28, 2017, I electronically filed a redacted version of the foregoing document with the Clerk of Court by using the CM/ECF system. I also certify that instant unredacted version of the foregoing document is being served on April 28, 2017 to all parties of record.
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+Respectfully submitted,
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+/s/ Jack Alan Goldberger
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+Jack Alan Goldberger
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+Atterbury, Goldberger & Weiss, P.A.
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+250 Australian Avenue South, #1400
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+West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
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+[REDACTED] G. Weinberg
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+20 Park Plaza, Suite 1000
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+Boston, Massachusetts 02116
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+# United States District Court Southern District of New York
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+Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS
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+Ghislaine Maxwell,
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+# PLAINTIFF NOTICE PURSUANT TO RULE 415 OF SIMILAR ACTS EVIDENCE
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+Sigrid McCawley BOLES SCHILLER FLEXNER LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011
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+#### TABLE OF AUTHORITIES
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+#### Cases Tab
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+United States v. Barnason,
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+852 F. Supp. 2d 367 (S.D.N.Y. 2012) 1, 2
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+### Rules
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+Fed. R. Evid. 413(dX5) 1
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+137 Cong. Rec. S4925(daily ed. Apr. 24, 1991) 2
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+Plaintiff, respectfully submits this notice of her intent to present evidence of Defendant Maxwell's similar acts, pursuant to Fed. R. Evid. 415.
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+#### BACKGROUND
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+The Court will recall that during the March 30, 2017, hearing regarding Motion in Limine to Present All Evidence of Defendant's Involvement in Epstein Sexual Abuse and Sex Trafficking (DE 686), counsel discussed with the Court an opportunity to provide additional notice of the similar acts evidence that was seeking to admit under Fed. R. Evid. 415. position is that all of this evidence is admissible without resort to Rule 415, either as simply substantive evidence of the truth of allegations that Defendant was involved in Epstein's sex abuse and sex trafficking or as prior bad acts evidence admissible under 404(b). But because the Court has not yet ruled on those arguments, out of an abundance of caution, wishes to ensure that she has complied with all of the procedural requirements for admissibility of the evidence under Rule 415.
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+Fed. R. Evid. 415 broadly admit evidence that a "party committed any other sexual assault or child molestation." The rule extends to acts ofconspiracy to commit sexual assault. See Fed. R. Evid. 413(dX5) (defining "sexual assault" as specifically extends to "conspiracy" to engage in sexual assault). This Court has previously dealt with the application of Rule 415 in United States v. Barnason, 852 F. Supp. 2d 367 (S.D.N.Y. 2012) (Sweet, J.). The Court explained the basis for Rule 415 in words that have a very direct application to the circumstances of this case The Court acknowledged that while mere "propensity" evidence is generally inadmissible, "an exception exists for cases involving sexual abuse and child molestation." Id. at 371. This Court explained that Rule 415 rests on "probability" grounds — i.c., that if a Defendant has been involved in a sexual assault on one occasion, that makes a victim's allegation of sexual assault on another occasion more likely:
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+Another ground for consideration is probability. For example, consider a rape case in which the defense attacks the victim's assertion that she did not consent, or represents that the whole incident was made up by the victim. If them is conclusive evidence that the defendant had previously engaged in similar acts — such as a prior conviction of the defendant for rape — then the defense's claim of consent or fabrication would normally amount to a contention that the victim made up a false charge of rape against a person who just happened to be a rapist. The inherent improbability of such a coincidence gives similar crimes evidence a high degree of probative value and support for its admission in such cases.
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+852 F. Supp. 2d at 376 (Sweet, J.) (quoting 137 Cong. Rec. S4925, 4928 (daily ed. Apr. 24, 1991));
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+Rule 415(b) provides that "[i]f a party intends to offer [similar acts] evidence, the party must disclose it to the party against whom it will be offered, including witnesses' statements or a summary of the expected testimony. The party must do so at least 15 days before trial or at a later time that the court allows for good cause." This notice will serve to provide the required disclosure of evidence of other acts of sexual assault, including conspiracy to commit sexual assault. This notice is in addition to the notice previously provided by via her Motion in Limine to Present All Evidence of Defendant's Involvement in Epstein Sexual Abuse and Sex Trafficking (DE 686) and her reply in support of that motion (DE 781).
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+# SUMMARIES OF EXPECTED TESTIMONY
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+What follows is a list of the witnesses (and their expected testimony) that will use to establish the similar acts evidence under Rule 415, as well as a summary of the expected testimony and/or a source from which expected testimony can be readily ascertained (e.g., a deposition). This list is offered only with regard to Rule 415. Obviously will offer other evidence at trial apart from the testimony described here.
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+Dated: April 28, 2017
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+Respectfully Submitted,
+BOIES SCHILLER FLEXNER LLP
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+By: /s/ Sigrid McCawley
+Sigrid McCawley (Pro Hac Vice)
+Boies Schiller Flexner LLP
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+Paul G. Cassell (Pro Hac Vice) S.J. Quinney College of Law University of Utah 383 University St. Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-5202'
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+This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation.
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+#### CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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+I HEREBY CERTIFY that on April 28, 2017, I electronically filed the foregoing document with the Clerk of Court by using the CM/ECF system. I also certify that the foregoing document is being served this day on the individuals identified below via transmission of Notices of Electronic Filing generated by CM/ECF.
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+Laura A. Menninger, Esq. Jeffrey Paglioa l HADDON, & 150 East 10 Avenue Denver, Colorado 80203 Tel: (303) 831-7364 Fax: (303) 832-2628 Email: Imenningerahmflaw.com jpagliuca@hmflaw.com , P.C.
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