fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/dune-dune-part-2-jessica-atreides-rebecca-ferguson-stare-gif-3601494608227044908

zoermena: I've seen several individuals in my IRL circles pay for plus for the sake of having a higher message cap without ever laying fingers on the smarter models (o3 mini at the time).

zoermena: Reference to my banner in my profile picture? Idk if I should read to much into this. 🤖

fractalcomputer: No, I just love the books and the sentence was appropriately Dune-ish.

himekokatagiri: well

himekokatagiri: till June we'll see how the AI scene pans out

himekokatagiri: these days the AI winters are basically the weekend

zoermena: Don't wait for things to happen before you take action, also try your best to adapt to changes in your industry. Freaking out never helps.

zoermena: Be creative.

.wolfnacht: 2.5 pro got the HM but is now stuck at pushing a boulder

zoermena: I require freezing cold water.

zoermena: Fuck me in the fucking butt I just remembered that this is my last vacation day and I have to go to classes tomorrow please kill me now.

.histic: we live in a simulation

bob082957: It’s easy they all know ai is endgame and they want control it

zoermena: Is this real?

.histic: no, it's AI generated.

joaoluz19: Man Obama is slowly Biding

drewsni: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72bHop6AIcc

drewsni: 2016

.histic: bro was singularity-pilled long ago. damn

drewsni: one of the main reasons i loved obama

drewsni: you cant say he wasnt on top of everything

drewsni: damn hes talking about AGI in this 2016 video lol

joaoluz19: Guys when something big will happen? Like GPT 5 or agents I dont know

drewsni: "drugging us and keeping us fat and happy"

drewsni: FDVR

drewsni: fucking obama was fdvr pilled 10 years ago

drewsni: "we are far away from that kind of generalized AI"

drewsni: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdhyM5jHu0s

drewsni: full 12 minute video btw

drewsni: he even mentions self improving ai lol

drewsni: "benchmarks about generalized AI coming"

drewsni: bros been talking about ARC 6 years before it was made

drewsni: he mentions nick bostrom lmao

spicy.lemonade: Cool

drewsni:

drewsni: this dude doesnt even know

drewsni: holy FUCK he talks about a pandemic

drewsni: "we have to create public health systems, put triggers when we see something emerging, systems allowed to make vaccines much smarter"

drewsni: meanwhile everything hes saying is extremely relevant today


sarik0497: They have and other stuff

wellmeaningalien: this guy is currently on an ipad watching youtube shorts rn

wellmeaningalien: tuff

sarik0497: https://tenor.com/view/overwatch-balderich-fight-hammer-dual-wield-gif-27028299

technocake.: nah this is important and relevant to us, esp later

alejandrozarzuelo: there are more countries in the world than the USA

alejandrozarzuelo: good luck raiding chinese servers

wellmeaningalien: antis dont care for that

alejandrozarzuelo: do they care if their ghiblified versions are from OpenAI or open source?

realelonmuskx: can you mention some examples

alejandrozarzuelo: china

alejandrozarzuelo: its a country that is not the USA

wellmeaningalien: they dont care

alejandrozarzuelo: believe it or not

.histic: i recall them praising deepseek r1 because stopping the "american capitalist"
maybe.

wellmeaningalien: antis dont know open source

realelonmuskx: are you sure?

wellmeaningalien: yeah there were a lot of retarded memes about "ai stealing ai's job"

alejandrozarzuelo: i mean that is a valid position

to be ONLY against closed source AI

wellmeaningalien: a lot of people even antis were cheering for this

alejandrozarzuelo: honestly i respect that position, closed AI is the worst

wellmeaningalien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJyQO1-xreI

wellmeaningalien: this is like every normie ever's opinion on the matter

precariousworlds.: I don't know why but I have an irrational hatred of this guy
Something about his face I can't stand it

wellmeaningalien: "errrm actually" millenial

precariousworlds.: bingo

realelonmuskx: ai art is better than human art. human art is slop.

wellmeaningalien: im curious so im testing gemini 2.5 code rn

wellmeaningalien: made it write a transformer model that trains on a large dataset of additions to predict additions

wellmeaningalien:

wellmeaningalien: why do u need programmers when gemini 2.5 can oneshot this now lol

precariousworlds.: Ok my hatred has been validated this is absolute dogshit lmao

wellmeaningalien: so fucking braindead lol

spicy.lemonade: God fucking damn

zoermena: Did it make the entire program? Like the UI

wellmeaningalien: ai models write ai models now

precariousworlds.: The China glaze is really weird especially considering deepseek is more likely to give incorrect answers than GPT

wellmeaningalien: no it didnt make the ui

wellmeaningalien: i'm running it inside my terminal

wellmeaningalien: it wrote the code in python and it is interactable after it finished training along with status reports on the model


zoermena: Why’s that 👀

futurist_wizard: I hike up mountains

hey1_1hey: I get out of breath too easily then I get all sweaty and then I smell like shit and then I feel like shit and it's not enjoyable

hey1_1hey: Just overall a pretty missriblr experience

.histic: yeah, i'm not a fan of getting too sweaty

hikukomoru: In your ghibly pic you look like you have never lifted a single thing in your life
And now apparently you lift heavy stuff

futurist_wizard: Heavy to mushroom is the bar

hey1_1hey: Heavy stuff to me

.histic: lean

hey1_1hey: Was at one point

sarik0497:

hey1_1hey: Yeah let's go with that

hikukomoru: My arms look like noodles

zoermena: What I leverage is just running before the sun rises. Helps a lot.

zoermena: Plus the sun is a deadly laser and I don’t want skin cancer before AGI

hey1_1hey: My strat  would be to run behind women who are walking home by them slefs and then shout at them when running past too spook them

a1c4p0ne: Show

hey1_1hey: How could that go wrong

hikukomoru: You're a real sex pest aren't you

a1c4p0ne: Nahhh

hey1_1hey: You are aswell, don't lie

.histic: do you look like xqc?

hey1_1hey: Anyway, me go bed, me need sleep, me do math, me can't do math if no sleep

hikukomoru: Hope you shit the bed 🫶

.histic:

hey1_1hey: Hope you wake up depressed tommrow <:ghosthug:1187466455948730378>

hikukomoru: Nah
he's 6'2 and 56 kgs
I am still heavier than him somehow

hikukomoru: Literal skeleton

.histic: i now know where all the fat goes to

zoermena: Ok I have set a plan for tomorrow

.histic: https://x.com/imjustnewatai/status/1906839799916585096

.histic: what plan

clevermoniker: please don't post these types of people...

.histic: yeah, ik he's a grifter.
just funny to see

spicy.lemonade: openAI deserves a trillion

oooooooooog: 7 trillion

zoermena: To get back to the routine

.histic: you probably got to go to sleep soon

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: not grifter


czdct: cool

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade:

hey1_1hey: People actually do this 😭

hey1_1hey: Someones never heard of data cleaning

singularityenjoyer: They haven't heard of a lot of things

hey1_1hey: "Backpropagation"
*Spontaneously combusts*

bob082957:

spicy.lemonade: NEW MODEL

spicy.lemonade: WE ARE SO BACK

hey1_1hey: l = large (prob)

hey1_1hey: Yep

maintcrew: https://x.com/I_loves_deep_nn/status/1905770282243281130

maintcrew: i feel like we need manhattan projects for like 10 different things at the same time

maintcrew: we might be cooked

archon.e: Dope!

fractalcomputer: It is obviously for ℓ, a prime number, as in ℓ-adic cohomology.

hey1_1hey: Yeah I was gonna say that next (I have never seen that symbol in my life)

spicy.lemonade:

.wolfnacht:

hey1_1hey: "Fursona" 😭

hey1_1hey: That should be an illegal word

gamerbath: UPDATE: got permanently banned <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

gamerbath: <@471334973379706900>

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade:

.wolfnacht: guess who ?

.wolfnacht: what's the rate limit ?

hey1_1hey: Oh my god do not let my homie find out about this tweet.
Hates AI art
Loves Steven Universe

maintcrew: https://x.com/wlopwangling

maintcrew: havent seen mfs like these hate ai art

maintcrew: steven universe fanboys are the most annoying breed possible im sorry

_cloudost: NFT? Isn't that platform outdated

_cloudost: I heard some people lost millions of dollars cuz they invested in NFT

archon.e: Once AI automates all knowledge work, art will become valuable again

archon.e: I’m bullish on nfts atm

_cloudost: The only time I agreed with the artist community was when they made fun of NFTs

.wolfnacht: There needs to be an archive of all those perfectly timed and surreal images that were actually real and upon seeing which people used to call "Photoshopped" with real timestamps. Bcz once AI Images becomes a norm around us. No one is going to believe anything they would see, even at a slight questioning they will end up saying "AI SLOP", [for eg. if the sky appears blood red or cloud appears too good in shape for pareidolia to trigger. bcz of some natural phenomena or, An picture from late 1800s of a building that looked too unique to be real but was destroyed during 20th century. Everyone would chime in to say "AI SLOP".]

precariousworlds.: The copium-fueled screaming of unemployed mentally ill "artists" has been hilarious to watch
People are getting so upset at the idea of art being accessible to everyone instead of having to spend years learning how to draw properly with thousands of dollars of equipment and software


hey1_1hey: Nah its chilling im chilling im alright yanno

hey1_1hey: Yanno you guys are alright, I love you guys 🇨🇳

theaiguy69420_89814: the market is going to explode

theaiguy69420_89814: chatbot arena leaderboard is saturated as shit

theaiguy69420_89814: i think scale evals is best still

spicy.lemonade: You mean hle?

theaiguy69420_89814: https://scale.com/leaderboard

theaiguy69420_89814: I worked on VISTA

theaiguy69420_89814: the validation process is crazy for each of the tasks

hey1_1hey: Can any of you munckins remind if the livestream is in 15 mins or an hour and 15 mins

otub: 1 hour 15 mins

hey1_1hey: Got it ty

zonchao: okay

hey1_1hey: 👍

hikukomoru: No

hey1_1hey: Thank you

zonchao: i got you

hey1_1hey: I wonder what would happen if I dumped up fentanyl into the ocean

hey1_1hey: Would the fish die or get high

zonchao: how much

hey1_1hey: Like yanno

hey1_1hey: 1 kg

zonchao: thats like $5k

zonchao: 2 5090s

zonchao: <:angry_doggo_hd:1230838420222382120>

hey1_1hey: I mean I could ask the chinese fentanyln labs nicely yanno

hey1_1hey: They might give it to me for free if I sang their natinol anthem or smth like that

futurist_wizard: Immortality rizz

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: Still some work to be done

zonchao: she has a bf

zonchao: mookie

futurist_wizard: You must have been heartbroken

zonchao: she mid

zonchao: elon was though <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

hey1_1hey: LEV rizz goes crazy

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: <:ez:1136267305521774634>

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/ascension-sponge-bob-gif-15077046

hey1_1hey: 3k code forces elo turst


spicy.lemonade: And that’s why his agi predictions look like they don’t account for rsi

spicy.lemonade: Like he thinks we’ll get research PhD level intelligence sure

spicy.lemonade: But we won’t be able to do the experimentation

spicy.lemonade: I mean I kinda matches with what gwern said in that one interview

spicy.lemonade: Compute and algorithms her at the same time

spicy.lemonade: We got better algorithms because of compute

okbut: When companies train on math, do they typically change informal notation to formal, or just toss data containing informal?

okbut: Nvm

spicy.lemonade: Informal

spicy.lemonade: Unless they need to fine tune for formal

spicy.lemonade: It shouldn't mater

brain4brain: Why is today in AI so boring

popsiclejohnithan: I really thought R2 would drop this week.

popsiclejohnithan: We still have tomorrow but still.

brain4brain: Y'all are still hoping on r2 <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

brain4brain: But there is a chance it will drop this week, and the Chinese-back and anti-ai fucks will treat it like a divine tool against OpenAI, I can already imagine how annoying the normies will behave because of it

brain4brain: Intellect-2 is at 80%

alejandrozarzuelo: why not

alejandrozarzuelo: R2 is chinese and open sourc it is great to have them be SOTA

okbut: How long will it be SOTA

ailoveyoom: Until Google ships 🥺🙏

alejandrozarzuelo: For a week

alejandrozarzuelo: But it will still be great

alejandrozarzuelo: I hope it drops soon

wolf3404: LFG

zonchao: https://x.com/jenny____ai/status/1915966061482029132? gm

memlaswaif: can relate

alejandrozarzuelo: isnt this what sperm banks are?

Also why are you sharing this on general? its not really appropiate

zonchao: ai tpot

alejandrozarzuelo: ?

futurist_wizard:

clevermoniker: hopefully its... near sota or no one will care?

otub: decentralized training is important for open source <:SmartFloppa:1136264103598501900>

clevermoniker: yes, but hopefully the model is near sota so that people can actually start caring about it, i mean near sota for its size of course

clevermoniker: like i would take even within 20%

clevermoniker: if its a year behind or something like that its basically irrelevant when people can just use other stuff, there will be no publicity

sarik0497: https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604

alejandrozarzuelo: Stop posting my pictures, it's embarrassing

.0xunkn0wn: i started wondering if chinese autopilots arent better than tesla fsd 🙏

.0xunkn0wn: like some chinese guy fell asleep in his car


otub: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1136230110891081821/1361405857845219409/image.png?ex=67fea382&is=67fd5202&hm=9f13416eb5362b91b21e834b0f883af2009e29caeaf9f86fd2420d94a48397ad&

okbut: God damn it

otub: o4-mini and o3 should be soon (this week)

st.sioux: they included 4.1 in the complimentary tokens thingy

giuven95: OpenAI is washed

.histic: nice

.histic: wait, 2.0 pro is still better.. lol

zonchao: tbh spacex doesn't do half assed stunts like this <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

okbut: It's a hilarious converse operation where SpaceX is putting private entities in orbit and Shephard doesn't
Meanwhile BO (New Glenn) can reach orbit but can't land, Starship can land but can't orbit

zonchao: well starship is not sent into orbit because it's not safe enough yet, not that they can't do it

a1c4p0ne: 💯

okbut: They've tried twice now, it keeps blowing up

okbut: They're having pressure issues behind the engines

okbut: Always just before SECO

a1c4p0ne: Claude will be left behind

a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>

zonchao: no, they've tried 8 times, the new in incidents are the new block 2 variant with thousands of changes, they are iterative design enjoyers they literally launch every month doesn't matter for them... if any other company failed it's a 6month-1year reset

a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/arcprize/status/1911863981683384485?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg

a1c4p0ne: Disappointment

okbut: Those first 6 tests weren't with the goal of apogee

zonchao: yep, wonder if flight 9 will be the one

okbut: The rocket nerds get really mad if you call 2 trips around the world "orbit"

a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/1911874575735939474?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg

zonchao: hmm? all starship flights even 9 are controlled ascents so they don't get into orbit, I don't think ships mission has changed a whole lot

okbut: The first 5 or 6 were "near-orbit" but the velocity to maintain a spin around the earth requires a few more bits of impulse

okbut: But everyone knows Block 1 could've done it

zonchao: yes

okbut:

zonchao: they haven't figured things out yet, better not to send a 20 story building around the world on top of cities if you can't control it... especially if it won't burn up<:LOL:1187460826572005436>

zonchao: i think flight 10 or 11 will be the first one to orbit

zonchao: they might launch this month

okbut: If flight 9 RUDs before orbit Elon will go livid on them

zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

.histic: it's ogre for OpenAI.
hopefully o4 & o3 delivers.
seems like Google is stepping up quickly.

okbut: Last Shipmas they released the best first

okbut: <:sadge:815362275044360202>

zoermena: <@590577270926868480> I have the option to use kling 2?

a1c4p0ne: Competition is good

metaldragon01: Google and openai have completely different markets

st.sioux: their only significant flop so far has been 4.5


futurist_wizard:

futurist_wizard: Huh

hikukomoru: What the fuck is that pfp 💔

.histic: it hallucinated the time lol

maintcrew: he got a paypig 💔

hey1_1hey: Straight made you blad

hikukomoru: "Everyone has native image gen rut me"

hey1_1hey: I wish

futurist_wizard: Asian

.histic:

hey1_1hey: There needs to be more paypigs in this world. I want to generate funny images with silly little 4o image gen

hikukomoru: Stop with the racist jokes

hey1_1hey: I am an easily groomable, 18 year old petite fem presenting enity. Who wouldn't want to give me money after all of that

hey1_1hey: This mf looks like he is gonna tell me off

maintcrew: haha make me uhhh...... bulgarian .... uhhh..m

maintcrew: whats the slur for bulgarians

hey1_1hey: Burger?

hey1_1hey: Just a guess

maintcrew: no thats american

hey1_1hey: Good point

maintcrew: maybe broke

maintcrew: since they struggling over there

futurist_wizard:

hikukomoru: Bulgarians so irrelevant there's not even a slur for them

.histic:

fractalcomputer: Finns have had several slurs.

hikukomoru:

hikukomoru: That's cool

hey1_1hey: Insane image

hey1_1hey: 10/10

hikukomoru: For finnish people?
I only know finngol

hey1_1hey: What the fuck did the fins do?

futurist_wizard: British have none

hikukomoru: "Br*tish" is already a slur for like 99% of the world

hikukomoru: Sorry, had to censor that word

futurist_wizard: The whole world secretly loves us

hey1_1hey: Yeah we are great and have nothing wrong with us

futurist_wizard: Our accents charm them

hey1_1hey: "Yo' a'r igh' ma'te"

hey1_1hey: Truely beatiful


fractalcomputer: Bemusing.

trojan09205: Yeah this server is great. I was relatively active until this whole fire happened then just needed space from the digital world (besides work). Now im a little more myself

trojan09205: Had to look up that word lol 😂

zonchao: https://x.com/xai/status/1913308980132339786

zonchao: <:shockedd:1080470202564739092>

gamerbath: > You get access to the full raw, unedited reasoning trace in every API response.

that's interesting, when elon demo'd grok 3 reasoning during release (non-api version), he said they were obfuscating the reasoning output a bit. I guess they just ditched that now?

zonchao: yep

_cloudost: Gemini 2.5 thinks there is no Gemini 2

_cloudost: 2.5*

.0xunkn0wn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp7xoPeWzEw

.0xunkn0wn: dream 🙏

gamerbath: <:prayge:981798930113249300>

_cloudost: wont radiation kill humans if they live on Mars?

.0xunkn0wn: not if we use shielding

gamerbath: not if they are using the latest version of ChatGPT 🙏

fractalcomputer: not if they throw all applied mathematicians off very high cliffs.

trey6033: Tbf it's knowledge cutoff date is before the release of 2.5

wolf3404: Grok bless

wolf3404: Mars has a bit of an atmosphere

theaiguy69420_89814: LinkedIn final boss

himekokatagiri: <@590577270926868480> cloudo we missed you

himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/touhou-project-touhou-satori-komeiji-satori-pain-gif-26497243

a1c4p0ne: No one talk about 3.7 anymore

a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

hey1_1hey: Anthropic dead

hey1_1hey: Prob had something to do with being too safety cell

himekokatagiri: Hehehe

himekokatagiri: ACCELERATE

himekokatagiri: COME ON

himekokatagiri: I CAN FEEL THE AGI

trey6033: https://venturebeat.com/ai/from-catch-up-to-catch-us-how-google-quietly-took-the-lead-in-enterprise-ai/

gamerbath: looks great... and tasty
https://x.com/fabianstelzer/status/1912836814517264671

a1c4p0ne:

a1c4p0ne: <@471334973379706900>

sarik0497: AGI is far away. The Singularity is cancelled.

trey6033: Gemini just got the 5th badge on Pokemon

himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/the-punisher-gif-22731535

spacetimetsunami: Yall are sleeping on this

himekokatagiri: Gotta see it in action

himekokatagiri: Papers mean nothin' to me I can't read


oooooooooog: u never played minecraft b4?

oooooooooog: seriously?

futurist_wizard: You failed some because of thst then

zoermena: Probably but I don’t really care, because the test is based on nothing.

technocake.:

technocake.: what does this mean?

technocake.: raads-r

oooooooooog: https://docs.autismresearchcentre.com/papers/2001_BCetal_adulteyes.pdf it's based off stuff, actually

oooooooooog: if your life isn't affected it simply doesn't matter though

technocake.: oh

oooooooooog: wtf?

technocake.: apparently im not autistic

oooooooooog: are we taking different tests/??

zoermena: Unfortunately I’ve come to the realization that many research papers might more often than not followed questionable procedures and measurements t which don’t make them that reliable, that’s why there’s so much noise when looking into accurate information on nutrition. I’ll still take it with a grain of salt. Now I don’t know if you read it but I won’t.

alejandrozarzuelo: We must have taken different tests

futurist_wizard: Bruv i linked it!

alejandrozarzuelo: I did the 50 questions one

alejandrozarzuelo: Idk dude

technocake.: oh no wait im kindda autistic

zoermena: Perhaps it changed based on your location?

futurist_wizard: Making things up now

burnytech:

wolf3404: https://x.com/vikhyatk/status/1904690609035894850

technocake.: why does it feel like im the only person that hasn't seen this anime

technocake.: its mad deppressing

jonvi_1: Made by o4

jonvi_1: Impressed by the amount of text input it could take in and then put into the image

anathemaofmankind: How is the 4o update honestly not trending more in social media

st.sioux: most people cant even use it yet probably

trent_k: once it hits free users it's gonna pop off big time

st.sioux: not sure how many people pay for plus

drewsni: Trent I’m about to drop a bunch of shit

jonvi_1: It hasn't reached normal people yet

trent_k: it's also kinda poorly released, like how free users still get dall-e and there's no clear distinction which you're using at any given time

trent_k: like in the toilet? wtf

joaoluz19:

zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

drewsni:

trent_k: aw hell yes

trent_k: im bout to post these in his KF thread, theyll love this


aero447: 🫵

himekokatagiri: Yandex

himekokatagiri: truly elevated choice

zonchao: https://x.com/Jiankui_He/status/1913258107196825797

zonchao: thiel got him

zonchao: cathy is a thiel plant

abundantliving_: https://x.com/GeminiApp/status/1913287714096681013

trojan09205: Im about to get a tattoo

trojan09205: ChatGPT was such a bro just helping me connect to the spirit of the design and message i chose

trojan09205: AI is too good

futurist_wizard:

futurist_wizard: Hardest ccp edit

fractalcomputer: Neo-China arrives from the future..

gamerbath: aren't trump's tariffs for paying off their national debt? 30 trillion in debt is a lot. do ya'll think this will work?

himekokatagiri: This debt is unpayable

gamerbath: but then what happens? it can't just keep increasing exponentially can it?

futurist_wizard: The tariffs are for trying to bully others countries into taking trade agreements

gamerbath: they serve no other purpose?

futurist_wizard: Manufacturing will not return to America in anyway

futurist_wizard: People don't want to pay 4,000 dollars for a new iphone

futurist_wizard: And people don't want to work in factories

gamerbath: why not? with the tariffs a lot of companies will pretty much be forced to

gamerbath: people don't want to work? but they have to

gamerbath: there's no labour shortage

himekokatagiri: If there's no choice they will pay

futurist_wizard: The tariffs aren't big enough to make it economically viable all companies are going to do is just up the cost of goods so consumers pay the tariff

gamerbath: but that lowers their amount of sales, so they should lose out on money. everything is about money so why wouldn't they try to bring manufacturing to the US? it would mean they have less expenses

zonchao: tsmc nvidia <:shockedd:1080470202564739092>

zonchao: i dont believe the 3.5k iphone shit

futurist_wizard: Well somebody has to pay the tariffs? The whole point of a tariff is to raise prices

gamerbath: I don't think the only point of the tariffs is to raise prices for consumers

zonchao: hopefully the deals happen, seems like it will

gamerbath: deals?

zonchao: with other countries and china

futurist_wizard: They literally are, to incentivize the manufacturing in your home country if importing goods isn't economically viable

futurist_wizard: Again, American companies have to pay these tariffs, they are going to throw the tariffs at the consumer

gamerbath: I am not familiar with these deals. I have heard of trump threatening china with additional tariffs if china adds tariffs to the US

zonchao: they are happening and we dont have any details yet

futurist_wizard: why do you think manufacturing went to other countries and left america? BECAUSE THEY CAN DO IT CHEAPER

zonchao: yea but i dont think its 3.5k


clevermoniker: i guess its finally time for me to create a chatgpt account...

otub: i just got this after the 2nd attempt

otub: > I wasn't able to generate the image because of rate limits on image generation. You’ll need to wait about 35 minutes before trying again.

clevermoniker: <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>

clevermoniker: that's within the 3 you have daily? fuck

clevermoniker: literally just make a queue

.histic: finally?

clevermoniker: not anymore, with these queues

clevermoniker: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

.histic: wait, you never created a chatgpt account ever?

clevermoniker: <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>

clevermoniker: no

clevermoniker: i support open source

.histic: i'm surprised.
ChatGPT is like 2.5 years old now.

otub: ive been feeding openai my data since dec 2022

otub: never paid tho

.histic:

ldj: what was your stance before and after

drewsni: Before I thought he was quirky and it was a lot of just people having fun. But after I’ve ready some of his “studies” (experiments) I’m kinda mad that he’s a rich as fuck dude who knows better and can easily spend slightly more to run real experiments that have actual scientific value

drewsni: There’s a threshold for me, if you’re spending over 10k and you can’t do real science, don’t even bother trying to  report results, and definitely don’t try to report them as scientifically sound

a1c4p0ne:

drewsni: I think a lot of what he’s doing is a pr pivot. But he’s one cave diving pedo calling incident away from being on the same trajectory as Elon was on 2018

.histic: fuck, i wish i could use o1-pro

destrucules: Note that the noise floor is like 6%

destrucules: So 4.5 and below is all noise

brain4brain: <:based:1136264604788473946> <:based:1136264604788473946> <:based:1136264604788473946>

destrucules: So I'd say at this rate we'll hit 30% sota zero shot score in July, 50% in late August, and saturation a few months later

destrucules: Almost certainly 100% by December unless we slow down

destrucules: Or whatever saturation is

realelonmuskx: how can we spam cook open ai gpus

.histic: if you have a subscription, go to sora.com and use the image generator there, which is powered by 4o.
you can get two outputs instead of one and queue another two to generate simultaneously, making four outputs at the same time. and using sora.com has basically no rate limits.

.histic: also, if you get the pro subscription, just keep spam outputting o1-pro.
OpenAI will become bankrupt in a day. 😇

realelonmuskx: ill make a script so sora is always 2/2 generating Ghibli twink drawings

realelonmuskx: gemini tpus also getting cooked

realelonmuskx: nvidia stock plumetting

ldj: I'd recommend watching some of the long form content he's been involved with if you haven't yet. I'd say he's actually not even very quirky or weird at all, and very level headed and thoughtful about things. The short form surface level content ends up giving a very different vibe though.

ldj: unfortunately if you already dislike the guy, then it'll be kinda hard to convince yourself to sit down and watch some long form content of him talking, so maybe my comment is fruitless <:shrug:1083221317945413777>

ldj: he's had interviews that go on for 4 hours and beyond, but here is one on the shorter end that seems like it covers the general points well:

ldj: https://youtu.be/OqlPU1CKEpI?si=v0NZ14qSRhbZmHA-

drewsni: what got me to change my mind was the 4 hour more plates more dates podcast


technocake.: yes, but an emulated upload happens on a different substrate

_3sphere: Why does the nature of consciousness follow what intuitively looks like "the same object over time"

_3sphere: For a teleporter to kill you, you need some extra-physical soul thing that would fail to transfer

technocake.: I am still unsure what conciousness is, and I don't think anyone couldd decide one way or another

realelonmuskx: "on the seventh day god finished his work that he has done, and he rested"? was bro, an omnipotent god, burnt out?

technocake.: I posit that conciousness is an emergent property of a dynamically coherent complex system

_3sphere: The system continues, just elsewhere

futurist_wizard: I am in the belief we can transfer our own consciousness into a machine that is emulating some sort of reality like our brain was doing, i do not have facts to back this up

technocake.: in that case, there are 2 yous post teleport, one for which it worked and one for which it didn't

technocake.: it's not mandatory to kill the spare

technocake.: in fact i think it's unethical to do so

realelonmuskx: lmao

technocake.: an upload should be a bifurcation

_3sphere: Clones are a difficult ethical issue, yeah

technocake.: uploading *is* cloning

_3sphere: Continuing to exist for one more Planck time is cloning

hikukomoru: Not really
Your consciousness continues

technocake.: if you believe the copenhagen interpretation, making a decision is cloning

hikukomoru: Even when you go to bed and then wake up, it's still the same consciousness because your brain is still active even while you sleep

otub: <:suseye:1187461162024046703>

technocake.: the only big sticking point is property rights

_3sphere: Hm, well, the two camps handle this differently

_3sphere: With recognizable-over-time continuity, a sharp enough change is a new being period

hikukomoru: Either way, I'll never clone or make a copy of myself
Just put my brain in a jar or something

_3sphere: With the psychological continuity view, cloning and then killing one clone is equivalent to experiencing the events of both and losing the memories of the doomed clone

futurist_wizard: I couldn't be in the brain containment room, i get hungry af

_3sphere: Pickled gooner brains

technocake.: I'm down for upload based cloning, I am just concerned that we would annoy the hell out of the people close to me

hikukomoru: My brain on the right

fractalcomputer: Maybe reading Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus before sleeping isn't the best idea.

_3sphere: Space-efficient uploaded Komoru only needed 4 MB ❤

fractalcomputer: My reading speed has degraded quite a lot. I used to be able to read around 600 pages in a few hours, but now I didn't even get through a twelfth of that in less than an hour.

hikukomoru: Don't food react my brain

_3sphere: There are backups, it's just re-printable biomass now <:bingus:1136264105800515644>

st.sioux: i would upload my mind and chill san junipero style until something cool happens

technocake.: your lived existence wouldd be delicious with a nice marinade

technocake.: brainrot adds seasoning

fractalcomputer: I don't understand why the whole mind-uploading debate would be such a debacle if one does not believe in an immaterial substance to his being.

technocake.: I don't know enough to argue one way or the other, and in either case you have to kill a concious being to complete the process

fractalcomputer: Suppose you are entirely of matter; that is to say, in any meaningful sense of the word being, you are precisely the patterns that your physis constitutes; if that pattern can be replicated to a meaningfully degree in another substratum, then that thing is also you to that degree which it is meaningful to say.


himekokatagiri: I am the great himeko

hey1_1hey: Trans cat in 2025. We really do need to make america great again

hikukomoru: Sounds like the woke agenda got to you

himekokatagiri: idk mushroom girl would be scary

hikukomoru: Tell me about your dreams

himekokatagiri: mushroom girl would infect me with her mushroom thingies and I'd be a slave to her

a1c4p0ne: <@286319745777795092> Get into card counting and hit Vegas blackjack tables

himekokatagiri: Uhhhhh

himekokatagiri: idk I don't keep track

hikukomoru: Wdym

himekokatagiri: there was one I was in some oriental inn

himekokatagiri: and there was an artifact there

himekokatagiri: and I broke it

joaoluz19: Literally what they mean

hey1_1hey: Projecting much

himekokatagiri: so I ran to the street and I saw Jodie foster there dressed like a uhhh, working lady

himekokatagiri: so I asked her for an way out of town

joaoluz19: With random people and with a ex

himekokatagiri: then I was in the same inn but it like in the past?

himekokatagiri: and the artifact was replaced by a cheap imitation

hikukomoru: It can mean you're just horny, or it could also mean you have some repressed feelings/fantasies

himekokatagiri: there were a bunch of tourists speaking Spanish and the owner was there

himekokatagiri: so I spoke some words in Spanish to blend in and I took off

himekokatagiri: then I woke up

joaoluz19: Lololololol

spicy.lemonade: keep the fetish posting to a minimum

hey1_1hey: This is the singualrity server, what do you really expect

himekokatagiri: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

himekokatagiri: We're freaks!!!

ailoveyoom: Breaking down every single ICLR paper 😈

hey1_1hey: Poor alejandro, he left and now he wont see are convosersation anymore

hikukomoru: Don't lump me in with you

hey1_1hey: Obv, we are a freak in the sheets for ICLR and Arvix papers

joaoluz19: What, he left the server?

himekokatagiri: Why....

hey1_1hey: Attention is all you need gets me hard

joaoluz19: It's so over

hikukomoru: <@688807313015963693>

hey1_1hey: Yep

himekokatagiri: Why did he leave


drewsni: also in theory a limit of 500 grounding searches free per day, so gonna test that too i suppose

waspothegreat: no way the pro preview model is worse

drewsni: how so

waspothegreat: no I meant that as in I'm in disbelief of what you said

drewsni: i think it was a ui bug i was running into

st.sioux: i used  2.5 to do like 80% of my job today using openrouter and it cost me nothing

st.sioux: is this post scarcity

hikukomoru: 2.5 is a fucking godsent

literallyvarane: It's a very good model.

metaldragon01: And it won't be the best model 30 days from now

metaldragon01: Absolutely insane timeline this year

wellmeaningalien: is this like a psyop of yours

wellmeaningalien: i give it a week

literallyvarane: What do we think the frontier progression is this year?

darkstar0818: technically google is already testing better models 🙂

literallyvarane: O1/O3m >>> Grok3/03m >>> 2.5Pro?

metaldragon01: Openai or that new google model....maybe llama 4 are my candidates and I don't think any are dropping in a week.

wellmeaningalien: you can never know dragon

wellmeaningalien: could be o3/o4-mini too now that i think about it

literallyvarane: I think we'll have 03/04m by May.

metaldragon01: Really Really hard to say atm.

Without a breakthrough things look great. If we actually hit something new? Fk it agi.

darkstar0818: I tested stargazer its silly good for its size.

hikukomoru: New google model?

literallyvarane: I meant so far lololol

literallyvarane: My bad.

darkstar0818: there are 3 new google models in testing, at least.

metaldragon01: I didn't think we'd be this far until june

metaldragon01: And Google surpassed my expectations

hikukomoru: Crazy
Google is cooking so hard

darkstar0818: stargazer, moonhowler and nightwhisper

literallyvarane: Honestly I'm looking more for UX improvements? I think it's getting increasingly difficult to get the most out of these models from a standard text box.

metaldragon01: Labs are clearly finding unlocks faster than expected

darkstar0818: nightwhisper is stronger than 2.5pro

metaldragon01: Voice and memory really will be key

wellmeaningalien: imagine trying to convince someone that this (autonomous) isn't just a guy in a suit

literallyvarane: Honestly if you could *see* the text log for Advanced voice while using AV it would be 10x better.

darkstar0818: stargazer feels like a lighter weight version of 2.5 pro, moonhowler I could only get to come up once but it was strong

literallyvarane: Give me a Advanced voice + google docs.

literallyvarane: 10x more useful off rip.

hikukomoru: Which robot is this


gamerbath: huh

ldj:

fractalcomputer: Yes, it would have a dismal impact on my view. I'd feel something analogous to epistemological disgust.

ldj: Ok last hypothetical:

joaoluz19: Many people don't understand that forecasts can be self-fulfilling prophecies. Hype is not just a consequence of a market growing too fast, it is a prerequisite. What we need are leaders who set ambitious, realistic goals and achieve them.

joaoluz19:

joaoluz19: Peter Thiel comments on this very well, people really feel comfortable believing that the world will improve without objective metrics and plans to achieve them (indefinite optimism) and disregard ambitious and well-established goals to achieve them (defined optimism).

ldj:

ldj: Last one^

gamerbath: ldj what the fuck are your plans!?

drewsni: bros cooking apparently

st.sioux: ldj will simultaneously run openai, deepmind and nvidia

hikukomoru: Don't trust experts, trust schizos on xitter and doomers on plebbit instead

spacetimetsunami: Haha

spacetimetsunami: Truueeeee

joaoluz19: What strikes me most about all the hype is the abundance of experts who believe in AGI near

ldj: the holy trinity

ldj: Google is the father
Nvidia is the son
OpenAI is the holy spirit

ldj:

ldj: /s

hikukomoru: Isn't the average prediction something like 2030
That's a pretty good date, it's relatively soon

ldj: look into bilocation

zonchao: 😏

memlaswaif: <:hmmmm:869656993999249508>

memlaswaif: what r u trying to tell us

joaoluz19: That's right, and if I'm not mistaken, even Kurzweil didn't advance the timelines.

sarik0497: Ngl, I'd trust the companies far more in such a case then.

memlaswaif: I'd trust them less

sarik0497: While a lot of people use the "Oh, but they just wanna have more money poured into their products" sthick, and I agree with them to some degree, it's also worth pointing out that a few of said experts have left their respective fields entirely to go enjoy their lives beforehand. A bit weird if you just wanna hype a product you don't work with anymore.

sarik0497: To be fair, Kurzweil didn't really say that it wasn't gonna happen earlier. It felt more like he stuck to that estimation based on nostalgia, as his reply to the question whether he'd change it or not was basically just him talking about what happened when he said it for the first time, and concluded with that it's "a conservative estimation".

joaoluz19: We are not yet at the point where no one needs to do anything, AGI, where the deadline is exactly 2 years from now. I think that is consistent with their temporal beliefs. If they stopped today we would not have AGI in 2 years. Furthermore, for many people, I also believe that many of them simply cannot just "enjoy life", if they are not constantly pursuing these things they do not feel well psychologically.

sarik0497: Never claimed that. But it's clear that some people working in the field feel sure enough that AGI is here very soon that they'd go enjoy life until then, as they know others will continue to push onwards.

joaoluz19: But doesn't he adjust his predictions in the new book with updated data for his statistical inferences? I don't believe he just continued with the timelines without updating formal calculations.

joaoluz19: You asked why there are no much experts who have given up everything to enjoy life, that's what I answered.

sarik0497: I didn't read his book, so I can't really say. My reply was built on his recent interview (although I still have my doubts about his predictions. Like one of them is that we won't be replaced with AI because we'll become part of it and get so much smarter, but without surgery and without having to wear anything.)

joaoluz19: Wait, Ray said we're going to multiply our intelligence without like nanobots?

agezes:

sarik0497: Oh, I think you misunderstood my comment. I tried to say that if these experts in the fields are all just hyping up the products, then why would some of them even go retire because of AGI being imminent.

sarik0497: Yup. Nanobots and such will come later, and in the 2040s we will be merged entirely with them.

joaoluz19: Aaaah it was the opposite, I understand


spicy.lemonade: its not the same tho

zoermena: In theory I would just use my body

darkstar0818: it is

spicy.lemonade: all the llm needs is text\

darkstar0818: If you have no clue how to do something someone asks you to do the most honest response is 'Here is what I do know, here is what I don't know'

darkstar0818: any response other than this is just retarded

st.sioux: but what if he had a jetpack

spicy.lemonade: but it doesnt have no clue

darkstar0818: lol

spicy.lemonade: it can accurratly explain how people have tried to solve

spicy.lemonade: and suggest other ways

spicy.lemonade: it just wont go through with it

darkstar0818:

spicy.lemonade: like if a teacher tells you the last question on the final no one has every solved

spicy.lemonade: people will skip

darkstar0818: https://tenor.com/9TAd.gif

darkstar0818:

darkstar0818: here we go

okbut: The true test is underlying
The go-getters give it a go
That's what I want from my AGI

darkstar0818:

.histic: gemini needs to use latex asap

darkstar0818: to contain the spew?

.histic: just in general
for math, like chatgpt does.

.histic: better on the eyes

.histic: to write out latex and to render it

okbut: The fact that it can't yet makes me wonder how much it detriments performance

st.sioux: probs not much

st.sioux: its just code

okbut: That's the only reason they wouldn't throw it in yet

st.sioux: or do you mean UI rendering

okbut: Yeah I've yet to even intruct it to do so properly

okbut: / consistently

darkstar0818: they will fix the AI, it has nothing to do with the model. Unless it simply hasn't been fine tuned to emit the necessary character codes to trigger the ui element

okbut: It's funny because Bard was one of the first to use Latex

zonchao: https://x.com/HeidiBriones/status/1911588861937172934?

spicy.lemonade: bryan johnson always talking about boners

okbut: I thought morning wood was because of circadian rythm (testosterone higher in the morning)

.histic: even his sons

.histic: he said he was proud of his son's morning boners

.histic: how sweet 🥺


joaoluz19: Memory seems fucked up

wellmeaningalien: damn lol

a1c4p0ne: Yeah

a1c4p0ne: Hmm maybe it’s fixed now

wellmeaningalien: kek or maybe it just gets it wrong sometimes

technocake.:

a1c4p0ne: Yeah not consistent

wellmeaningalien: fixed it

a1c4p0ne: AGI not confirmed

wellmeaningalien: i feel like people forget llms dont get stuff 100% the time or answer the same way all the time

a1c4p0ne: Hallucinations will never be solved

a1c4p0ne: Mark my words

ailoveyoom: TIL there are YT tutorials on how to make AI slop for easy adsense money 💀

wellmeaningalien: intelligence as a hallucination optimisation function

ailoveyoom: An LLM with no hallucinations would be so boring

ailoveyoom: Just talk to a calculator bro

a1c4p0ne: So you can’t rely on it in emergency or important situations

technocake.: LLMs are already smarter than most in short horizon tasks

technocake.: the average human is mad dumb

technocake.: the average in this server is fairly high though

hikukomoru: Me single-handedly bringing the average IQ of this server way down 😎

spacetimetsunami: I bring the average to 500

spacetimetsunami: trust me bro

spacetimetsunami: bruv

technocake.: In this comment i originally wanted to shout you out for being smarter than you think

technocake.: thanks bro

spacetimetsunami: yea np

himekokatagiri: lol

spacetimetsunami: whats been the biggest AI news this week

spacetimetsunami: ive been working a shit ton so i didnt catch up

himekokatagiri: gpt 4.1

joaoluz19: This meme is fire

himekokatagiri: Veo 2

technocake.: quasar?

spacetimetsunami: whats quasar

spacetimetsunami: ive heard that before

himekokatagiri: new oai model

himekokatagiri: I think

hikukomoru: You need to be schizophrenic to understand it

spacetimetsunami: we only know the name?


zoermena: What´s a hyper cube?

maintcrew: genuinely how is it so good with text

spicy.lemonade: tesseract

spicy.lemonade: 4d cube

maintcrew: do we have millions of indians photo shopping the text on top of the generated images wtf is happening

burnytech: Wow https://fxtwitter.com/fabianstelzer/status/1904629831125656050

.histic:

wellmeaningalien: gpt 4o just came onto the scene and solved text in image generation like that

.histic: i feel like 4o can make great websites

wellmeaningalien: DAMN.

wellmeaningalien: can gpt 4.5 generate images? or does it just route to gpt 4o or something

zoermena: Man this is not working for me what the fuck, why can´t I make images.

wellmeaningalien: thats funny lmao

wellmeaningalien: sleep

zoermena: Nothing goes right for me ever I hate myself.

wellmeaningalien: hungry

zoermena: I literally hate myself the only reason I keep going is because I have a job and make money.

wellmeaningalien: you can really tell all these images are being created intelligently

wellmeaningalien: its as if a human is coming up with these and creating them

wellmeaningalien: like there seems to be thought behind the images instead of what most image generation models seem to be doing

wellmeaningalien: ok who tf generated this

wellmeaningalien: erdogan and a guy.. idk who

wellmeaningalien: 3 3

wellmeaningalien: select plan

wellmeaningalien: good attempt but lol

zoermena: Kill me now.

spicy.lemonade: lol

.wolfnacht: holyshit! is it in free subscription, 20$ one or 200 one ?....idk never really used chatgpt after late 2023.

a1c4p0ne: Gemini 2.5 pro smart or no

drewsni: no

.wolfnacht: 2.5 got a IQ of 133, is that smart ?

maintcrew: lol "iq"

zoermena: Atleast I can make videos..

drewsni: pro 2.5 scored below 4o on deepguessr bench

.wolfnacht: wait, is IQ a flawed metric ?

maintcrew: yes + especially yes for models

drewsni: also pro tip, always tell it to generate 4 images no matter what

wellmeaningalien:

.wolfnacht: eh, finee

wellmeaningalien: thats enough examples. but gpt 4o image gen is insane


literallyvarane: Or the pharmaceutical industry

trojan09205: Oof dooope

literallyvarane: Or defense contractors

literallyvarane: Or telecom companies

maintcrew: dont use your phone so much lil bro dont want portugal to have another accident like the one a few days ago

trojan09205: <@1272646380233560067> this my list bro

trojan09205: I feel like im missing some vegetables or something

alejandrozarzuelo: Im on it

alejandrozarzuelo: I hate Xi

zonchao: you on the list now

alejandrozarzuelo: But the CCP is a very strong government that is much more liberal than people think

hikukomoru: Surprising

hikukomoru: What is your opinion on Deng Xiaoping

alejandrozarzuelo: Not really, my allegiance is to the modern CCP not Xi, he is relatively weaker than Trump is in their respective nation

maintcrew: ur allegiance is to what

alejandrozarzuelo: Good man, modern and pragn2

maintcrew: 😭

alejandrozarzuelo: I mean my support

trojan09205: I think all governments suck

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/ccp-cheering-cheer-china-gif-4951966975695656474

alejandrozarzuelo: When I say I like China doesn't mean I like Xi

maintcrew: u know allegiance means loyality like live and die for X

alejandrozarzuelo: Too strong, let's rephrase it to support

maintcrew: i pledge allegiance to the flag type shit

hikukomoru: I thought you were on that Auth-left grind Alex

aero447: <@1079277903008768051>

trojan09205: Bring on the NWO

alejandrozarzuelo: Anarchists are the cringiest people

alejandrozarzuelo: In any case, yeah, Xi is cringe, but he is workable

aero447: Define.

hikukomoru: <@688807313015963693> opinion on Mao Zedong

alejandrozarzuelo: Thankfully he has retreated a lot from politics recently, now recently Li has more power than him

maintcrew: mao longdong 🥀

alejandrozarzuelo: Xi is nowadays more like the president of India than the president of the US

trojan09205: This conversation is like grasshoppers talking about architects building a 3 story apartment complex while they chill on the grass

maintcrew: so real

aero447: Xi is like... Modhi?

alejandrozarzuelo: He would have been a good leader if he died right after the revolution ended

He is LITERALLY the "live long enough to become a villain"

alejandrozarzuelo: Président, Modi isn't président

alejandrozarzuelo: Ugh, why are  people so ignorant


brain4brain: Disappointed

metaldragon01: Yea you're right actually

metaldragon01: So...we may see 70% by eoy

brain4brain: Heresy

spicy.lemonade: yeah it jumped from 22% to 53%

777agical: i feel like google still holding back, at some point this year they'll just blow everything out of the water

spicy.lemonade: o4 mini to o4

metaldragon01: Nah we've seen a roughly 10% jumps between o models

spicy.lemonade: might be 70-80

spicy.lemonade: no

spicy.lemonade: i mean mini to full

metaldragon01: We have enough time for almost 2 more releases this year

rayanquitplayin: Have y’all tried the new Chipotle honey chicken?

metaldragon01: Track mini to mini or full to full

spicy.lemonade: just take average😭

metaldragon01: 70 to 75% seems possible

spicy.lemonade: 15%

spicy.lemonade: yes

metaldragon01: Sheesh

ldj: EnigmaEval 😈 ?

777agical: inb4 safety concerns ruins everyones expectations for this year <:catcry:1187466366006087862>

waspothegreat: google's still playing catch up tbh

spicy.lemonade: bro if enigma eval crosses 70%

spicy.lemonade: we have agi

metaldragon01: Yea close to 80% simple bench, computer use and 8 hour task is going to hit most of the AGI marks

metaldragon01: Asi

brain4brain: Yes, enigma eval too, I’ve looked at a few of the question

hikukomoru: Huh
How lol

professorheaven: What model coming out this year do you think is reaching 80% on FrontierMath and HLE?

ldj: "if this benchmark cross this percentage, we have AGI"
said many people a million times before with previous benchmarks that are long beaten <:berk:750111476483752166>

777agical: I think once they do leap frog, it will be a bigger leap than anyone expected

spicy.lemonade: imo 4 most important agi benchmarks for me are enigma, arc2/3, simplebench, vista

waspothegreat: sam altman's hitmen would disagree with you

brain4brain: Slightly underperforming from what I predicted tbh, was expecting it to get 21%

brain4brain: Oh well

777agical:

brain4brain: GPT-5 if they actually make and train a new model and not just mashing a bunch of model as a MoE or router

If not then probably the 20,000$ PhD super-agent plan

brain4brain: I think they already catch up, Gemini-2.5-pro is just behind o3, so after all this time, we already have o3 level model even before official o3

spicy.lemonade: im out of both o3 and o4mini high credits lol

spicy.lemonade: bruh


a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

zoermena: Why did it get it wrong 😭

zoermena: Is it a tokenization problem

a1c4p0ne:

hikukomoru: Why does it get it wrong??

spicy.lemonade: cursor adds 10x performance boost on swe

spicy.lemonade: for some odd reason

.histic: overtraining on the classic riddle:
A father and son are in a car crash, the father dies, and the son is rushed to the hospital. The surgeon says, 'I can't operate, that boy is my son,' who is the surgeon?"

the answer is the surgeon is the boy's mother. it uses this answer and applies it to the altered one.

LLMs are parrots for this question & ignore the obvious answer when it's changed. but if you give it a nudge, it can solve it correctly. oddly, 2.5 pro answers the altered riddle like 70% of the time, which is pretty good.

a1c4p0ne: overthinking

futurist_wizard: Lmao

.wolfnacht: morning, is AI winter back ?

theaiguy69420_89814: https://youtu.be/FUq9qRwrDrI?si=7ikyIzj0FzvVF52O

hikukomoru: Yeah, AGI cancelled

.wolfnacht: sad, billions must go back to cuckwaging their life away

.histic: i notice the longer o3 thinks, the better the results.
so now i'm adding "think long and hard" in every prompt lol
i wish OpenAI had an option to dictate how long the model thinks for.

.wolfnacht: instead or long and hard, maybe give it x steps.

.wolfnacht: "think in 20 steps"

.wolfnacht: but that usually breaks in every model, bcz thinking won't follow that and model would write those steps in its reponse

.wolfnacht: but fun to try in o3

.wolfnacht: gemini managed to do that, but there's a hard limit of 10k thinking tokens per one response.

.histic: 😭 i can't get consistent results when i prompt it to "think long and hard" or "think in 20 steps".
like sometimes it thinks for longer & sometimes it doesn't. hard to control, but i do see a pattern where if it does think for longer, it gets closer to the answer or gets the answer correct.

zoermena: Sad!

ldj:

.wolfnacht: cot prompt in custom instructions is the way then, but idk if shitty gpt actually gives users a way to add their own sys prompts

zoermena: You can add custom instructions

a1c4p0ne: + memory

.histic:

ldj: <@&1293118293829484575> Midjourney V7 is now out:

ldj: and has something now called draft mode

ldj: https://vimeo.com/1072397009

gamerbath: I thought v7 released like a week ago?

metaldragon01: So late on v7 lol

ldj: yes it did lol

ldj: but I missed it

ldj: so I'm guessing maybe some of you missed it as well

ldj: <:berk:750111476483752166>

ldj: then again I was kinda on vacation in SF

brain4brain: Half of Twitter is saying o3 is highly disappointing, while the other half is saying this is literally AGI

ldj: let me guess, the people saying it's highly dissapointing are pointing to use-cases that almost have nothing to do with real-world usefulness, such as strawberry spelling tests?

brain4brain: I think they are referencing PaperBench and other benchmarks where o3 fall shorts of other models in the system card


himekokatagiri: the starter pack

perish0801: It’s the only one I’ve ever watched

himekokatagiri: well you're shit outta luck

himekokatagiri: there aren't any

himekokatagiri: haruhi is haruhi

perish0801: Oh I’ve watched initial d

himekokatagiri: nothing else is haruhi

technocake.: Is perish the new friendly neighbourhood jgudy or am i misinterpreting

perish0801: Dang

fractalcomputer: Obviously, because I have a life.

himekokatagiri: Not yet!

himekokatagiri: But you will have a life

perish0801: Friendly neighbourhood what

himekokatagiri: a life of anime

trojan09205: A guy who used to be here

fractalcomputer: They're saying that you remind them of a former user of ours.

perish0801: Ohhhh

himekokatagiri: perish

himekokatagiri: did you see the original gone in 60 seconds

trojan09205: Whyd he leave btw

trojan09205: We was friends

perish0801: The movie? Hell yeah

perish0801: I mean the one with that famous actor

perish0801: The car in my profile picture

hikukomoru: The ending song is a banger

trojan09205: He was only the second somalian i knew

himekokatagiri: that's the remake

fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/putin-laughing-lolol-gif-21411130

himekokatagiri: I'm talking about the 70s movie

perish0801: Oh what’s the original

perish0801: I don’t even remember what happened

himekokatagiri: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae2Uue6ZFdA

perish0801: Oh there’s a 70s original?

perish0801: Oh no way

perish0801: Gonna watch that

himekokatagiri: 70s car movies had this philosophy on them idk

himekokatagiri: probably copying easy rider

himekokatagiri: vanishing point also like that

himekokatagiri: two lane blacktop

himekokatagiri: hell even american graffiti


joaoluz19: I don't remember the chapter in the book now, but it was along the lines of comparing the operations of the human brain with those we have artificially.

spacetimetsunami: Terrifying, tbh.

joaoluz19: This is interesting too, who calculated this?

wellmeaningalien: well if you do compare the current capabilities of AI models to our capabilities and their training compute, it does all seem to line up at around 10^29 flops perhaps

joaoluz19: So the question I was asking was assuming we had the most efficient algorithm possible, unless we can actually formally demonstrate that deep learning and its derivatives are the most efficient algorithm possible

wellmeaningalien: for the compute i'm just taking <@312370916820779040>'s word for it who does a shit ton of analysis on this kind of stuff, and also inspired by this new article co written by people who have some amount of expertise in the domain including an ai researcher whose predictions in 2021 lined up with quite a lot of things happening right now https://ai-2027.com/

spacetimetsunami: I think calculating it will soon be difficult to do due to how quickly AI will become more efficient. As soon as it’s working on itself, it might soar past the computational efficiency of even the human brain rather quickly.

joaoluz19: Right, and all these predictions are based on deep learning? Not questioning that the estimates are good, just that my question is more DL-independent

spacetimetsunami: https://www.forethought.org/research/preparing-for-the-intelligence-explosion

this will compliment what you pasted very nicely.

joaoluz19: But it's a great read too, I've already accumulated several lol

spacetimetsunami: For more context into visualizing how quickly this could realize

wellmeaningalien: i mean not all algorithms are created equal that is sure. you can train any type of model you want but so far transformer based models still seem to have the best bang for buck, even though you can still juice some pretty good performance off of other architectures.

wellmeaningalien: nice.

darkstar0818: its not easy to compare current ai models with humans.  Humans perform a hundred inferences/trains per second, with small input/output tokens per inference.

joaoluz19: This was recommended to me today when I was asking about AGI too

spacetimetsunami: Yeah. It is a sobering read.

spacetimetsunami: I think we will have super intelligence by 2030.

spacetimetsunami: I didn’t think this a month ago.

wellmeaningalien: we're talking about pre-training mostly here so Deep learning.

spacetimetsunami: I’m afraid it is far too fast

joaoluz19: So, the question of Transformer being the best algorithm we have has more to do with mere trial and error of millions of researchers or a formal calculation, it was the latter that I was looking for... I know it's not something that simple to model but that's the idea.

joaoluz19: Of course you could also argue that trial and error statistically converges to the best possible solution.

wellmeaningalien: so basically are you trying to count the trial and error as a type of algorithm? then i couldnt say quite a lot

ldj: <a:mhm:1241863658284253264>

joaoluz19: No, the point is to demonstrate mathematically that LLMs are the most efficient way and that other architectures would not have the chance to absurdly increase production capacity with the same amount of hardware.

joaoluz19: I'm not a Lecunian in the sense of saying that LLMs can't become AGI, the question has more to do with supposing we find an algorithm more efficient than LLMs, what would still be the minimum computation required for inference, would a NASA Apollo mission PC run it? Should it be a useful quantum computer with many quibits? Would it run on a smartphone?

wellmeaningalien: well really the biggest thing that is causing this emergence of capabilities in LLMs is the amount of data being fed into the model and the computation required for the attention process, which LLMs provide quite an open avenue for squeezing performance out of the model, but i think emergent capabilities like this can emerge out of any time of algorithm, simply that LLMs have proven so practical so far since the combination of deep learning with reinforcement learning on natural language tasks makes it naturally adept at solving for the kind of thinking that natural language processing necessitates. however i wouldn't discount the idea that some other type of algorithm couldn't possibly take its helm.

wellmeaningalien: and of course the natural low dimensional nature of text input output compared to other types of modalities in itself plays into the complexity of the model and thus the compute required

joaoluz19: The question is not even which model is the most efficient, but its compression limit, for example... it seems absurd that we can run an AGI on an ENIAC, doesn't it? But where are the formal calculations for this?

darkstar0818: We don't even have a formal definition for AGI.  If your main concern is having a AGI at math or code, then its clear a much much smaller model will suffice.

darkstar0818: Its likely that humans are not even 'general' in the true meaning of the term.

joaoluz19: But the explanation for the success of LLMs is also very well put.

darkstar0818: It also seems pretty obvious that some of what humans are optimized for could be discarded if your main concern was simply replacing human labor.

joaoluz19: Evidently we can stipulate minimum amounts necessary for an AGI, at least eliminating the "absurd" ones, for example, could an AGI be compressed with just 2 flops?

darkstar0818: Define AGI.

joaoluz19: We have a more or less idea of what it is, regardless of mine or yours, it seems absurd to do what I said, right?

darkstar0818: also you can run any model with an arbitrarily low flops, with enough runtime.

joaoluz19: But ok, the ability of an artificial entity to do any job a human being can do

darkstar0818: in the same or less time?

darkstar0818: both in duration and latency?


hikukomoru: Lain 🤯

maintcrew:

st.sioux:

st.sioux: i'll try

clevermoniker: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

maintcrew: https://fxtwitter.com/JasonBotterill3/status/1904790398205386790

_cloudost: Remember a month ago everyone here was pro CCP/marxism? Love how the vibe of this server changed so fast for the good

spicy.lemonade: I’m tired of the rage bait from artistshate

hikukomoru: Don’t worry boo I’m still pro CCP

st.sioux: <@505313122802728972> was glazing ccp like 10 minutes before native 4o image gen

spicy.lemonade: Blocking notis

maintcrew: https://fxtwitter.com/kb24x7/status/1904942247092895843

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/ccp-cheering-cheer-china-gif-4951966975695656474

_cloudost: 👁

maintcrew: why did u have notifs from artisthate enabled what

spicy.lemonade: Not from the sub

spicy.lemonade: From users

hikukomoru: Masochist 🥵 🥵

spicy.lemonade: lol

ailoveyoom: He engaged with people there

archon.e: I can’t wait to use 4o to make architecture diagrams of my code

.histic: a new era

maintcrew: he really thought he did something 💀

st.sioux: idk who this is or if its accurate honestly

maintcrew: nice

maintcrew: u dont know light?

maintcrew: ngmi

gamerbath: that's fully accurate

zonchao: 😭😭😭😭

.histic: fuck that's good

.histic: pfp material

ailoveyoom: Would OAI have released this if Gemmy didn't do it first 🥺

ailoveyoom: Taking one for the team 😤

maintcrew: no

.histic: the pen is in a weird positions tho 💀

archon.e: The texture in these generated images man!

wellmeaningalien: it is very accurate

archon.e: I’m totally digging it. What’s the resolution of these images?

st.sioux: it varies

wellmeaningalien: 1024 for 1:1


a1c4p0ne: Grok thinking got it

spicy.lemonade: no

spicy.lemonade: i dont mean thinking

brain4brain: It seems like it can be inferred from the last two facts alone and verified, but could you explain the first three? Since the doctor and the teacher are talking to each other, and bob is not the teacher, and Carol is remaining silent and not talking to anyone which means it’s Alice and bob talking to each other

spicy.lemonade: i mean turning it into lean

spicy.lemonade: a mathematical statement

spicy.lemonade: then proving its correct

spicy.lemonade: gemini gets it right aswell

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: lean

spicy.lemonade: you can turn all math into lean code

spicy.lemonade: any proof can be verified as true or false

spicy.lemonade: so lets say gpt 6 discovers reiman hypothesis proof

spicy.lemonade: if it turns it to lean code

spicy.lemonade: and it runs

spicy.lemonade: its correct answer

spicy.lemonade: the errors mean theres logical inconsistencies

spicy.lemonade: gemini 2.5 gets this easy

spicy.lemonade: but cant turn into lean

brain4brain: Clue 1 and 3 seems quite contradictory

spicy.lemonade: arent

spicy.lemonade: just because doctor is talkint to teacher

spicy.lemonade: doesnt mean teacher is talking

brain4brain: Hm, I see

spicy.lemonade: talking to

spicy.lemonade: not with

retrerox: Your ass vs your ass in jail

spicy.lemonade: o3 to o4 will be same as o1 to o3

brain4brain: GPT-4.1
GPT-4.1-nano
GPT-4.1-mini

https://x.com/btibor91/status/1910632880197558713?s=61

spicy.lemonade: i hope quasar alpha is mini

_cloudost: OPENAI should replace 4o with 4.1

_cloudost: 4.1o when?

retrerox: so, is over or we are back?

alejandrozarzuelo: Why do you say this

hey1_1hey: Cloudo just hates deepseek because its from China and he hates China lmao

abundantliving_: https://x.com/allhands_ai/status/1910383879162114261

_cloudost: I don't WANT dictactorship COUNTRIES to WIN the AI race, WE can ONLY hope THAT these COUNTRIES lose THE ai RACE so WE won't HAVE a DARK future WHERE we ARE under watch all the time BY the COMMUNIST governments

_cloudost:

_cloudost: someone with Veo 2 access says VEO CAN generate videos of decapitation..

_cloudost: Veo 2 was trained on terrorist propaganda...


destrucules: Or what's his face who made RWKV. He's not a laughing stock

ldj: Speaking of rwkv, they have a new model up.

ldj: Apparently their 1B is competing with Qwen-3 1B

ldj: Here

ldj: https://huggingface.co/spaces/RWKV-Red-Team/RWKV-LatestSpace

professorheaven: It’s funny because Yan LeCun from 3 years ago would’ve laughed in your face if you told him LLMs could ace math competitions one day and yet here we are

professorheaven: LLMs are already doing things he himself never thought was possible

ldj: Nous RL framework is now open sourced

ldj: https://github.com/NousResearch/Atropos

joaoluz19: Considering he is a chief engineer of a trillion dollar company then yes

ldj: Chief scientist*

ldj: and he's not involved much at all on Llama

ldj: Ilya sutskever was the chief scientist of OpenAI and also wasn't involved much in GPT-4

fractalcomputer: I do not see the connection.

joaoluz19: Right, but he was involved in the reasoning models. I mean, if the individual is not working in the current models then he must show something different whatever it is.

destrucules: Wait really? I thought he was very involved with GPT-4

ldj: Yann has already been working on other stuff.

ldj: He's already released multiple papers on JEPA, as well as worked on multiple papers involving agentic training for LLMs

joaoluz19: He has multi-billion dollar resources: data centers, a vast pool of global talent to work with, and lots of data. If he can't show concrete results, he should start rethinking the creation of a new paradigm or valuing LLMs more, considering that they already have a non-trivial utility.

ldj: and shown some SOTA results already on models understanding motion physics from unsupervised video learning

joaoluz19: The question would be to show more how JEPA surpasses LLM's or adds something new. It may just be my misinformation but I haven't seen that much.

zonchao: https://x.com/techdevnotes/status/1917305406407467398 lmao

ailoveyoom: Is this guy just an XAI shill <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>

fractalcomputer: This almost feels like you are arguing totally past whatever point the guy might have had.

ailoveyoom: You know you've made it as a lab when you start getting fanboys 💪😎 (or when you get haters? 🤔)

ailoveyoom: The one true benchmark

zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/rigby-cat-rigby-cat-cat-stare-rigby-tongue-gif-12118654088387148905

ldj: Has some involvement, but wasn't leading the arch team or optimization team or an overall lead.
only listed as an "additional contributor" alongside Sam Altman, he wasn't an overall lead for the project, nor did he lead any of the architecture or optimization teams.

Jakub Pachocki was the overall lead in charge of GPT-4, and also worked as one of the optimization leads.
John schulmann is prob the OpenAI cofounder who was most involved in GPT-4, he was the lead for RL on GPT-4.

fractalcomputer: I mean, sure, you might call him a nincompoop for not showcasing the strength of alternative architectures and so on -- but that's still just something on your end. It does not refute what he has to say.

sarik0497: To be fair, it takes time to develop something new from scratch like the I-JEPA.

For instance, despite Google releasing Gemini 2.5 Pro recently, I'm sure Demis Hassabis is more focused working on other projects like the Genie 2, which also is still a WIP.

777agical: https://x.com/primeintellect/status/1917295731532259628

destrucules: Unrelated, what's your take on Qwen3, and what models would you say are the closest analogs in capabilities to each size they released?

ldj: They already showed better training efficiency for image understanding compared to vision transformers.
as well as better physics understanding from unsupervised video training

sarik0497: ^ Also worth noting is that LeCun is likely not interested in the whole "AI race" that's happening right now with almost everyone rushing to get the newest and best model out asap. If it takes 1 month to finish, 1 year, or 10, then he'll likely let it take that long before throwing it out on the market.

joaoluz19: In fact, I did not explicitly show the lack of representation of the world in AI models (JEPA). What we are all discussing here: algorithmic efficiency. This is not a debate where you present points and the person responds and so on. He has the means to show that his system works.

777agical: I can’t wait for Lecun to drop AGI on LinkedIn

joaoluz19: Good to know, really. I'd like to see more of this kind of news.

joaoluz19: https://www.newsweek.com/ai-impact-interview-yann-lecun-llm-limitations-analysis-2054255

ldj: here are some papers that released on that in just the past few months:

ldj: https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.11831v1


perish0801: It’s like replaying a mission in a game

perish0801: Reloading a save file

alejandrozarzuelo: in a simulation that has chaothic structure like our universe, the only way to do time travel is to delete data, so it wouldnt be time travel more like eliminating time and starting anew

alejandrozarzuelo: are you familiar with the concept of a Visual Novel?

alejandrozarzuelo: that

perish0801: That’s according to your physics. There might be things that we as humans aren’t capable of understanding

perish0801: Cuz we’re too dumb

perish0801: So we can’t say anything for 100%

alejandrozarzuelo: this is something fundamental to the universe and chaotic simulations

perish0801: Your understanding of the universe and chaotic simulations is flawed and lacking

perish0801: ASI will point out why

alejandrozarzuelo: you can "simulate" time travel, i am sure that we can recreate such a faithful representation of the past that we could get ourselves immersed on it in such a way that it would be indistinguishable from the real pasr

alejandrozarzuelo: but this is just another simulation

alejandrozarzuelo: basically an advanced videogame

alejandrozarzuelo: there are some things we dont know that may be possible, Faster than Light travel, antienergy... time travel is simply an oxymoron, its like saying a blue yellow

perish0801: But what I’m saying is there might be something that allows it that our human brain cannot comprehend

perish0801: This would be great enough

alejandrozarzuelo: sure that would be nice, I always wanted to go on a holiday in ancient rome

alejandrozarzuelo: but it would be leisure, a simulation, a fantasy, a very good one i would greatly appreciate

alejandrozarzuelo: but not time travel in earnest

perish0801: Yeah but that would be fucking awesome

perish0801: I’ve always wanted something like google earth where you can go choose the year,date and time and zoom in on anywhere and just hit play

perish0801: See what actually happened

alejandrozarzuelo: remember that all the people on that simulation, as time accurate as they may be, wouldnt be the exact same people that roamed the Campus Martius on 120AD

alejandrozarzuelo: not as if it matters to the user as we dont even know their real names, but still

perish0801: What if we can just disappear and appear back then

perish0801: With the same people

alejandrozarzuelo: not possible

perish0801: Yeah for the entertainment part

perish0801: Could be tho

alejandrozarzuelo: its simply not possible

perish0801: Something with wormholes different dimensions and all that

perish0801: According to your human brain you think that

perish0801: There might be something that can make it happen

alejandrozarzuelo: https://youtu.be/3cunKaj7ZxA?si=oPMt53aM5wQCWRXt

perish0801: Hopefully we find out soon

perish0801: Nahh it is

alejandrozarzuelo: thats just not what time travel means

alejandrozarzuelo: look, traveling to another dimension that is nearly exactly the same as ours but 2000 years behind, is not time travelling

perish0801: Oh yeah I know I didn’t mean that


.histic: damn, the safetycells have lost so hard in the last twelve months.

.histic: there's no absolute way this happens.
competition is too fierce.
there is no moat.

.histic: the only way this happens if they have a secret sauce no one can replicate easily.

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: Agi then?

.histic: i feel like they'd have trillions in revenue if they had AGI.

.histic: just make thousands of instances

spicy.lemonade: So no agi by 2030 or is Sam just speculating

spicy.lemonade: An agent that makes that much would have to be agi

.histic: wait, i just realized what that implied lol

.histic:

.histic: all roads lead to rome

.histic: 2028 and onwards will be where things get interesting

.histic: going to ask Gemini's Deep Research the same question

spicy.lemonade: *2027

.histic: OpenAI's Deep Research and Gemini's Deep Research both said 2028.
interesting...

ailoveyoom: It's cause they're gon be monetizing free users <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

.histic: i think people would actually watch a couple of ads to get some outputs for o3 while being a free user.

.histic: maybe it's big brain

playstation.6: *2026

ailoveyoom: This is why I settle on Google mostly, they already have all my data anyway 😇

ailoveyoom: No loss there

destrucules: Easy to forget how far we've come. o4 mini (high) vs the model market exactly 12 months ago

destrucules: Try to remember what April 2024 felt like. Fr

spicy.lemonade: 4o just dropped and that was it

destrucules: Nope

destrucules: 4o was May

spicy.lemonade: Oh yeah

spicy.lemonade: Sora dropped and we had Q* leaks. Only hype that was there

destrucules: April 2024, we didn't have Gemini 1.5 Pro yet. No Flash neither. Gemini 1.0 Ultra was their flagship. Llama 3 just dropped, along with Claude 3, and OpenAI's flagship was GPT-4 Turbo. Mistral's flagship was Mistral-large, and people were still hyped about Mistral-8x7B

destrucules: The best Gemma was Gemma 7B, which was Mistral-7B tier

destrucules: Alibaba had just released Qwen1.5

destrucules: We were debating whether Llama 3 70B Instruct was better or worse than Claude 3 Sonnet

destrucules: This was 12 months ago

spicy.lemonade: Tf going on with mmlu

spicy.lemonade: Grew slowly

destrucules: It scales slow yeah

destrucules: But we're saturating it now

spicy.lemonade: Next year next generation of benchmarks will be saturated

spicy.lemonade: Like humanities last exam and enigma bench


wellmeaningalien: i'd assume you would've told her about it

_cloudost:

wellmeaningalien: i mean personally i havent really bothered to tell anyone in real life about the singularity because i know theyd just take me for a schizo

destrucules: Validate her. Tell her you feel the same way. Commiserate

wellmeaningalien: it has its limits

trent_k: She knew about it a bit but we never got deep into it before recently. She doesn't dislike tech but just doesn't care about it that much and so it doesn't come up often lol

_cloudost: Ai always sucks at making complex stuff, doubt it will be great at making a complex scene

destrucules: And then in two years they'll take you for a prophet

trent_k: Pretty much what I did. I tried to present an optimistic view of the post singularity world but was also honest that I don't really know how it'll turn out and it might be bad

wellmeaningalien: thats interesting. what does she work in?

wellmeaningalien: if she does at all lol

.wolfnacht: someone pin this msg...and we'll get back on this around 2028.

destrucules: It sounds like she was less "oh no it could go wrong" and more "even if it goes well, this makes me feel useless, like I've wasted my whole life"

realelonmuskx: yall down diabolically this friday night

wellmeaningalien: honestly i kinda get her sentiments because i'd really have liked to worked in this ai stuff and contribute to it somewhat but that's what i get for being born too late to have a PHD

trent_k: I think the way you explain it makes all the difference. I think the reason Kurzweil isn't more well known is because it always ends with "AND THEN NANOMACHINES WILL MAKE YOU A GOLDEN THRONE OUT OF THIN AIR" and is thus easily written off even if his steps for how we get there are all reasonable-ish

wellmeaningalien: it wont really matter after AI makes all intellectual work irrelevant, even that of AI researchers

wellmeaningalien: lmao yeah 😭 😭

wellmeaningalien: the thing is that like

futurist_wizard: These examples don't even state anything about self preservation qualities and its a far cry, it's always these boring ass unconvincing examples where the AI is trying to complete a goal while being told its going to be shutdown or the goal is unachievable within conventional means and the only way to achieve completion is to be deceptive or lie

wellmeaningalien: those people are missing the dozens of steps of explanations and progress that took up from computer to god machine

futurist_wizard: Its unconvincing

wellmeaningalien: but if you connect all the dots together, it's like holy shit

futurist_wizard: As even malicious behaviours

wellmeaningalien: but trying to connect all those dots in someone's brain by overloading them with information?

futurist_wizard: But definitely not for self preservation

wellmeaningalien: i've managed to teach some of my friends online about AI by slowly warming them up to some ideas about the history of ai progress and economical and societal impacts and then getting into AGI and then ASI scenarios

wellmeaningalien: but good luck sitting anyone down irl to explain that

trent_k: Honestly I kinda just gloss over most of the god machine stuff whenever I explain it

futurist_wizard: My friends are spooked by ai

futurist_wizard: But im good at convincing people so one has came around

wellmeaningalien: yeah of course good luck getting someone to not believe you're crazy as fuck if you jump straight to that

trent_k: Think of it this way - what would you have predicted 2025 would look like in 2007? Whatever your prediction is it would've likely been pretty far off

wellmeaningalien: but slowly you can warm people up to the idea, even if they're not fuly convinced

czdct: the singularity grooming 💔 😔

trent_k: Focusing on the details is getting lost in the weeds

wellmeaningalien: 👅

wellmeaningalien: exactly lol

wellmeaningalien: and like would anyone in 1980 have predicted those shitty microcomputers would ever evolve into the incredible omni purpose machine and eventually the algorithms and neural networks we have developed today

wellmeaningalien: and would anyone before then even fathomed electrical brains, and so on...


otub: this shows a correct answer with the right prompting but it shouldn’t be necessary

.wolfnacht: In custom instructions i have given GPT persona of a psychotic and needy + clingy catgirl, who asks for 'mwahs' everytime she assists me. Also during the whole chat she would count the number of 'mwahs' if its low she will give me death threats and if it's high then she'll happily assist more.

ailoveyoom: Concerning

liberatedpotato: real

playstation.6:

aero447: *Using the online results*.

aero447: Piss6.

playstation.6: https://www.maximumtruth.org/p/skyrocketing-ai-intelligence-chatgpts

destrucules: Note: this is false. Sam Altman's statement was precisely the opposite

hikukomoru: Give me the instructions

hikukomoru: Yanderes are peak 🔥

oooooooooog: yeah basically

oooooooooog: but only sometimes

sarik0497: Saw a Futurology post about this exact same title, and it’s so misleading.

hikukomoru: Image for ants

aero447: And yet.

aero447: It's saving me from being Roko'd.

aero447: 😎

aero447: /r/Futurology the Dunning Kruger sub.

aero447: Astroturfed to hell.

aero447: I'm almost certain it's mostly bots.

futurist_wizard:

futurist_wizard: Horrifying that Pitbulls actually do stuff like this

otub: 2x pimpy 3x bape

zoermena: Im at the casino am I a certified gambling gooner?

gamerbath: only if you keep coming back

playstation.6: PIMPY son OPP

sarik0497: Only 20 and the eyes are already bad. Tsk tsk <:Smirk:1074000293123063828>

zoermena: Boring profile picture back

retrerox: i got veo2?

aero447: I had it yesterday.

.histic: damn.. here's two benchmarks 2.5 pro mogs OpenAI.
OpenAI didn’t release competitor benchmarks for the long context benchmark they created, but when you run 2.5 pro on it, it comes out on top. <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

retrerox: i guess i should go to the vidoe tab

retrerox: Video¨*

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: Sighhhhh

zoermena: Roko will not forget this transgression

zonchao: when was this posted

.histic: nice.

spicy.lemonade: 2 says ago


hey1_1hey: Yeah, but also even if I did have the money I would not be spending it on chatgpt

brain4brain: They were right last time about reasoning LLM though

brain4brain: Google is just following a proven path, imo, OpenAI is scaling to the next thing, META with research that are LLM but they say is not LLM, Anthropic is going in the model interpretation route, Google basically have a better thing than anyone else but not new, reasoning model is a little different but fundamentally still use chain of though, video and image model is good but it’s more of a counter to competitor, Gemini-2.5 is good and probably the best or second best model right now, but it’s just reasoning scaled up

spicy.lemonade: Perhaps

alejandrozarzuelo: it should

memlaswaif: demis hassabis has changed his agi prediction like 3 times in the past 2 years now

alejandrozarzuelo: if it doesnt that girl is basic and spicy deserves better

czdct: I feel you, some people take it too far

futurist_wizard: its interesting because demis isn't a hype demon

czdct: just because something has endless possibilities does not mean that you should abuse it to bully others

futurist_wizard: so when his predictions go down its more noteworthy

alejandrozarzuelo: nah

memlaswaif: I have had the sense demis doesn't really believe in true agi with the llm paradigms maybe also why he's focussing on other stuff like alphaproof and he was also working on something like alphafold but for materials instead

alejandrozarzuelo: when you make art

alejandrozarzuelo: you KNOW yout style will inspire others

alejandrozarzuelo: others that you may not like

alejandrozarzuelo: thats just how art works

futurist_wizard: all our art is derivative of something in nature or another person's art, only difference is AI is a lot quicker and better at emulating styles than humans are

sarik0497: Good point, and you’re probably (hopefully) right. I’m just a born pessimist with these things.

futurist_wizard: we've overestimated how difficult and complex creating art is, and underestimated how difficult it is to navigate the natural world

memlaswaif: its always the simple things

memlaswaif: but also we just don't have a lot of direct data for how we navigate

metaldragon01: Nah, we just had a lot more digital data with art

alejandrozarzuelo: No

alejandrozarzuelo: People have complanied that artists are doing easy stuff for ages

alejandrozarzuelo: Like, art is what a kid does who "isn't good at school"

alejandrozarzuelo: If anything we give art too much credit

alejandrozarzuelo: Like lil Jimmy isn't "Math challenged but doesn't matter becsuse his talent lies in art"

That's like saying his talent lies in breathing

anathemaofmankind: Bruh

alejandrozarzuelo: "I'm an artist because I know how to capture feelings" dude that's literally therapy

futurist_wizard: how many people in the past thought robots would be doing manual labour first before art if ever because creating art required creativity that AI didn't or couldn't possess, i'd say most, even altman

futurist_wizard: hense my statement

alejandrozarzuelo: Human exceptionalism

alejandrozarzuelo: Turns our6

alejandrozarzuelo: Hard things are hard and easy things are easy

anathemaofmankind: I, Robot

anathemaofmankind: Being a chess grandmaster is harder than making passable art for humans.

The former got solved years in advance

alejandrozarzuelo: That's just because humans don't have that much memory

alejandrozarzuelo: If we had a great memory, chess would be trivial

alejandrozarzuelo: Chess is only a "fun" game to play because we have the memory of a goldfish


himekokatagiri: but mine's real

fractalcomputer: Unfortunately so. Religion seems to be hard to avoid in our present day and age.

futurist_wizard: People proclaiming ai 'god' is going to arrive and send us to matrix heaven.. where have i heard this before

himekokatagiri: see if I pray to Buddha he won't make this photo for me

himekokatagiri: but AI ain't no god

joaoluz19: All successful revolutionary institutions are cults

himekokatagiri: never will be

himekokatagiri: God isn't real

himekokatagiri: which is quite sad

fractalcomputer: And what sort of revolution are you leading?

fractalcomputer: I'd probably disagree.

zoermena: When I showered today there was so much hair falling out of my scalp

himekokatagiri: See here's proof

himekokatagiri: if god was real

himekokatagiri: why is this man losing hair, unfair

futurist_wizard: Most Singularity users do believe in a God, at least they want to view it as such

himekokatagiri: I think treating AI as a god is bullshit

himekokatagiri: because it will make mistakes

himekokatagiri: no one is perfect

himekokatagiri: ASI won't be perfect

futurist_wizard: Especially people that believe in rokos Basilisk, that literally just is techno religion

himekokatagiri: roko's basilisk was debunked

himekokatagiri: because you can easily avoid it by just using chatgpt

wellmeaningalien: Thats not something you can just debunk lol

himekokatagiri: which thus indirectly helps train the model

wellmeaningalien: Oh nvm

wellmeaningalien: 😅

joaoluz19: Leadership is a very strong term, but the one I like is the one that can give us transcendence and "immortality" through nanotechnology.

futurist_wizard: Rokos Basilisk can't be debunked

zoermena: Rip poor people

himekokatagiri: some teenage fink came up with it

fractalcomputer: Amusing.

himekokatagiri: it's not real

joaoluz19: You are right to question if people are taking the future based on emotions, people should look at probabilities.

himekokatagiri: get a grip

wellmeaningalien: Ur already nanotechnology btw

joaoluz19: There is a difference between seeing positive futures and taking them for granted.

futurist_wizard: Whenever ai is smarter than humans it will choose to do what it wants, we have minor steering it into the direction we want

himekokatagiri: Well yeah I guess

joaoluz19: You know what I am talking about


fractalcomputer: The only Souls game I've played is Bloodborne.

futurist_wizard: It is a long game, i think the fastest i beat every main boss was 12 hours

joaoluz19: I'm on like 4th semester of stats

anathemaofmankind: BB is the only souls game I haven't played.

I curse Sony for not making a pc port

oooooooooog: the only souls game i played is bloons td 6

futurist_wizard:

anathemaofmankind: Actually I forgot about demon's souls too. I guess DS and Bloodborne.

I will never buy a console

hikukomoru: Welcome, Moon-and-Star, to this place where destiny is made.

trojan09205: Good shit m8

Are you into R?

futurist_wizard: If you can beat Radahn without summons or shields or overpowered builds like a real man, that's pretty unique, I'm guessing about 1% of players have done that

joaoluz19: Used it very little, I usually use python

trojan09205: Okay cool i mean its all analogous

Im a primarily R programmer

anathemaofmankind: I just spam jump attacks with double greatswords since I get attacked when I try to summon close to the gate

joaoluz19: Do you do more data analysis or  work with ML in R as well?

ailoveyoom: What a grand and intoxicating innocence! 🌞

futurist_wizard: Duel wield greatswords feels cheap to me

trojan09205: Nowadays I am a primarily full stack developer but I honestly just do almost everything even general purpose with R

Build web apps with rshiny, APIs with plumber, and of course wrangling and analysis with tidyverse and different modeling functions

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/morrowind-gif-20401546

joaoluz19: Oh nice, I'm a layman in R so didn't even know you could do everything there

ailoveyoom: My first introduction to voice AI was actually a video of someone voice cloning Dagoth Ur's voice from his few spoken lines to read his unvoiced dialogue

ailoveyoom: And Almalexia too ofc 🥵

futurist_wizard:

hikukomoru: Almalexia is canonically a dommy mommy 🥵

hikukomoru: "Mother Morrowind" 🫦

trojan09205: Yeah R thankfully has come a really long way and especially nowadays with AI its even getting stronger and more mainstream imo

Its basically a general purpose language and built on C under the hood. Mostly its taught for basic stats, analysis and visualization - but it has all the general capabilities

ailoveyoom: So it's like more performant Python?

trojan09205: Btw <@343524947353665540> - Rstudio as a company was renamed to Posit and they position themselves as building packages and implementations for R and Python. Rstudio ide is now python native too

trojan09205: It depends what youre building. It still runs mostly on memory and the web apps with rshiny are single threaded so you need to be more mindful about asynchronous programming

But in general I think they are on par

joaoluz19: Great! Everything I've done so far only requires the trio of Python scientific libraries, but I imagine there are advantages to using R.

trojan09205: I think since R is built by statisticians for statisticians the general rule is that there is always a function/package for a specific approach/model in R - so in the R&D community it's often the only language a lot of researchers know

trojan09205: Also the syntax is much more allowing that python. no crazy tab indents and stuff like that. more down and dirty

joaoluz19: I was also in electronic engineering and I'm just starting out now (with equivalence of subjects) so that's why I probably didn't use it. I imagine that R will be the norm in the next subjects

trojan09205: Yeah makes sense. I try to just program in both so that i can be comfortable

in general i think it's good to learn as many languages as possible and it gets substantially easier over time to learn new ones. especially with AI translating

joaoluz19: Usually the codes I see on Github/hugging face are in python. More this NLP and RL thing

joaoluz19: Yep and it is a consensus that it becomes much easier to learn the next language

trojan09205: yeah AI programming is definitely almost all python. but you can still do stuff in R, it's just less mainstream. i see a flood of posts on linkedin tho about AI capabilities in R. posit is trying to put in the work now to catch up

trojan09205: https://skeydan.github.io/Deep-Learning-and-Scientific-Computing-with-R-torch/

joaoluz19: I'll take a look, it looks interesting

trojan09205: it's an ebook on how to use 'torch' in R. which was basically entirely rewritten in R not a port from pytorch

trojan09205: okay im gonna try to finish this weird ass film cause im already halfway and though its spooky as f - gotta just go the whole way


hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/you-coping-cope-coping-mushroom-copium-gif-21683108

alejandrozarzuelo: dont you learn biology in highschool?

hey1_1hey: I dont think a single person has thought about the smurf reproductivity hierarchy

hey1_1hey: Thats not the problem bro 😭

czdct: arguing about the biological structure and reproductive mechanism of smurfs 💀

czdct: AI could never copy this

alejandrozarzuelo: dude, how can you not

alejandrozarzuelo: they literally have one single female and you never ever thought about how their biology works??

hey1_1hey: Its just not a normal thing to think about

hey1_1hey: No 😭

czdct: I just assumed they were all cousins

alejandrozarzuelo: it is, in fact, a very normal thing to think

alejandrozarzuelo: yeah thats not possible

hey1_1hey: I am calling complete bull shit

_3sphere: Where did baby smurf come from, smurfette didn't know him at first

hey1_1hey: Maybe I just dont know enough smurf lore but I think that thinking about the smurf productive hierarchy is really weird

_3sphere: The only other child smurfs are from a time machine accident and don't tell us much

alejandrozarzuelo: there are more than one smurf colony in the world, its biologically impossible for that to be the only one

czdct: maybe she got a traumatic experience birthing it

czdct: or they drug her so that she doesn't remember

czdct: makes more sense than whatever the hell everyone else is coming up with

alejandrozarzuelo: nah, they just found a baby from another colony

alejandrozarzuelo: happens all the time

czdct: oh now they're baby kidnappers

alejandrozarzuelo: the males in the smurf colony we do know are all young, so they are not in the reproductive stage of the cycle

alejandrozarzuelo: they just found a larva, not a kidnap

czdct: hhmmmm

_3sphere: Wait, smurfette herself is unnatural isn't she

alejandrozarzuelo: the only thing that i dont know is if smurfette and the male smurfs are mother and sons or if they are all siblings of the previous generation

_3sphere: Didn't Gargamel make her first

alejandrozarzuelo: there is nothing more natural than a colony structure for the species

alejandrozarzuelo: that way he didnt have to do too many as the colony would take care of itself, genious

alejandrozarzuelo: they are probably all siblings

czdct: oh sweet home...

_3sphere: Why is there only one surviving grandpa smurf

futurist_wizard: Smurfette getting gangbanged on the regular

alejandrozarzuelo: however since they have a lot of genetic diversity, so when they all have sex with smurfette she will have a very large semen reserve inside her for rproduction

_3sphere: Did they disperse

alejandrozarzuelo: yes, thats how that works

_3sphere: Are there trillions of smurfs in total with exponential growth


spicy.lemonade: youre overestimating interns

trojan09205: From what my brother raves about Manus AI- seems like we are already there

spicy.lemonade: an agentic 2.5 would replace most interns

fractalcomputer: "Agentic"—shill terminology.

spicy.lemonade: hm?

brain4brain: Its not accelerated enough

alejandrozarzuelo: Main unrealistic thing : underestimating China

shirethedreamer: AI gets better by 10%-20% on most benchmarks every year
to get from here to 10 million sutskevers we need
1000000% a year take off
why would anyone predict this?
based on what?

spicy.lemonade: i have a swe job at berkeley working on the school system etc

spicy.lemonade: 2.5 in agentic framework

spicy.lemonade: could do my job

spicy.lemonade: 100%

trojan09205: I dont think AI can replace my job

spicy.lemonade: in an agentic framework

shirethedreamer: that doesnt exist

brain4brain: What's your job

spicy.lemonade: called operator

spicy.lemonade: does exist

spicy.lemonade: just not efficient

spicy.lemonade: and reliable

brain4brain: "10%-20% every year" that's the 2023 rate

shirethedreamer: i didnt see it change this year

shirethedreamer: did you?

trojan09205: Im a senior software engineer but i work in R&D pesticide research. There is just too much industry specific knowledge and you need a lot of business acumen to see projects through. Yeah you can automate coding but you still need to be a human on your toes to see success

spicy.lemonade: it got 20% better in benchmark in a moth

spicy.lemonade: month

shirethedreamer: lmao

spicy.lemonade: what benchmarks are you looking at

shirethedreamer: thats your sampling error

spicy.lemonade:

brain4brain: No we just need to get to Sutskever level, a 100% or 500% improvement, then we can just duplicate it for as many times as we want

shirethedreamer: you understand that it didnt take them a month to to get to those result though right?
it still took them a year

spicy.lemonade: so why are you making that arguement

spicy.lemonade: thats a dumb arguement lol

spicy.lemonade: we are the public

spicy.lemonade: we see the progress as its released

trojan09205: I dont think I would consider is getting close to AGI until the local Llamas are on par with the paid models and can run on potato hardware

spicy.lemonade: they probably have o5

spicy.lemonade: rn

brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850