alejandrozarzuelo: o3 is worse than gemini 2.5 at math proofs it seems

okbut: I thought it was SOTA for its niche? Or were those charts cherrypicking

alejandrozarzuelo: and i think one of the reasons why is that o3 rushes too much

spicy.lemonade: sota at pass@1024

okbut: Prover I mean

alejandrozarzuelo: g2.5 thinks for a while

spicy.lemonade: o3 is very lazy

spicy.lemonade: youd have to run it 1024 times or so to get said performance

alejandrozarzuelo: relatable tbh

spicy.lemonade: this is what RL is for though ti decrease pass threshold

futurist_wizard: Even if warp drive is possible, it's resource requirements are relevant

alejandrozarzuelo: not necessarily

futurist_wizard: How so

alejandrozarzuelo: as i said, newer remathematizations have lowered the required mass, as there is a trick you can use

alejandrozarzuelo: but as mentioned these are tricks

alejandrozarzuelo: basically exploiting quantum properties

alejandrozarzuelo: which we dont know if they hold on relativistic scales

_3sphere: GPT told me there are too *many* of those

_3sphere: no way to tell which one is right because we have no data on quantum gravity

futurist_wizard: I don't have the background to argue the possibility of quantum anything but I've never heard of a physicist endorsing ftl, they usually say its incredibly unlikely

spicy.lemonade: physicists at nasa beg to differ https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20110015936/downloads/20110015936.pdf

alejandrozarzuelo: yes

alejandrozarzuelo: some physicists can get a bit too confident, we literally have no evidence against it or in favor

alejandrozarzuelo: so saying that it is incredibly unlikely is not really based on what we know

alejandrozarzuelo: there is one thing i will say

alejandrozarzuelo: if FTL is possible, then we are flat-out aloone in the galaxy

alejandrozarzuelo: and possibly in the local group

alejandrozarzuelo: there is no way that FTL can be possible and that we will ever encounter an intelligent civilization

_3sphere: We do have solid evidence in the form of CTCs being impossible

alejandrozarzuelo: ctcs?

_3sphere: Any FTL scheme either adds time travel or needs a mechanism to prevent CTCs

_3sphere: Closed timelike curve

_3sphere: Happens with FTL because you can use it to interact with your own past

alejandrozarzuelo: yes, but FTL as is formulated by Alcubierre doesnt have that problem

fractalcomputer: People always forget what Gödel did with Einstein's work.

_3sphere: I thought it does?

alejandrozarzuelo: there are very good videos explaining why it would appear as if it does but it doesnt

alejandrozarzuelo: basically, it would be an illusion, as you would duplicate your image and one of them would be in reverse

alejandrozarzuelo: the reason why this is the case is because information leaving your bubble would be distorded by that bubble itself when it leaves

alejandrozarzuelo: thus preventing the paradox, which would only create an illusion to the observer


metaldragon01: Bruh! Use lymsys

sieventer: Google is the father of all the LLMs after all. I'm sure they will always have the last word ;D

spicy.lemonade: too much benchmarking

waspothegreat: nah I meant catch up as in google might not be at their full potential yet, idk though

brain4brain: Google seems like a great lab for AGI, however I will still believe in OpenAI as Google say AGI in 10 years

sieventer: <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>

spicy.lemonade: we are realy taking this new paradigm for granted lol

spicy.lemonade: if it wasnt here we would be hype asf for a 4.1 level model

okbut: Is this real? o4-mini for all free users?

spicy.lemonade: they may even have called it 5

okbut: This is hilarious, because I have a model_comparisons.json from just a few days ago showing that they were RLHF'ing for o3-mini-free
They're being whipped by Google so hard they can't even correct their RLHF quick enough

destrucules: o4 mini seems to match the capabilities of Grok 3 mini reasoning according to AA. Not exceed, match. Food for thought

spicy.lemonade: ?

okbut: I'm guessing there's a behind-the-scenes "super-low" reasoning effort

okbut: That being given to the "free" tier

okbut: Also hilarious note: the conversations.json indicated the split generation was comparing 4o to o1-preview for this
Are they so backed up that they haven't noticed this, or do they just not give a fuck

destrucules: If that's directed at me, check the ArtificialAnalysis website and compare Grok 3 mini reasoning to o4 mini

spicy.lemonade: o3 fails

destrucules:

destrucules: Look

destrucules: They're virtually identical to each other

okbut: The evaluation_treatment key values are some arbitrary categorization AFAIK (if you meant that being related to AA)

destrucules: No I meant AA as in ArtificialAnalysis

destrucules: I'm just tired of writing the whole name

okbut: They gotta pick a better acronym fr

destrucules: o4 mini is a good model, don't get me wrong. But the fact that Grok 3 mini Reasoning is *just as good* is *insane*

sieventer: aaaaaaa

trey6033: Definitely flash tomorrow

metaldragon01: Called it

sieventer: RIP OpenAI

destrucules: Am I the only one not excited about this?

okbut: Where can I find this bot
Btw I'm excited for 4/22

destrucules: Idk about y'all but for me, unless it's literally o1 Pro or o1 or GPT-4.5 or o3, I'm never limited by funds. I get Gemini 2.5 Pro for free. So like... Getting a dumber free model doesn't excite me

zoermena: For the love of god open ai can’t loose

destrucules: No it's not because I'm drowning in money, it's because a million tokens is a lot of fuckin tokens

destrucules: I spend like $10 a month on OR and a bit under $20 on Claude sub and that's it. And at this point idk why I have Claude sub

trey6033: I'm not in it, think it's Legit's discord

zoermena: Or is open router right?

destrucules: Are y'all out here really draining your wallets on models?

metaldragon01: Lymsys has them free btw


spicy.lemonade: for example

spicy.lemonade: gemini 2.0 was very short lived

spicy.lemonade: lasted like what

spicy.lemonade: 2 months

spicy.lemonade: 1.5?

spicy.lemonade: no 2

spicy.lemonade: also dude

spicy.lemonade: naming doesnt matter

spicy.lemonade: they can call it gemini 2.5322

spicy.lemonade: for all i care

spicy.lemonade: performance is what matters

spicy.lemonade: youre getting too hung up on naming

spicy.lemonade: agi could be gpt 4.7 for all i care

spicy.lemonade: as long as its agi

ailoveyoom: Idk tbh, if you want to get into the normie market I think it matters. Which is what OAI is doing, hence why 4o has always been named 4o in the model picker even tho there's been some updates made to it.

ailoveyoom: I guess Demis isn't a product guy tho

okbut: They really could've done 4o+

okbut: Mansplaining GPT's models now is like

spicy.lemonade: theres deepseek, xai, ssi, thinking machines lab, deepmind, nvidia, openAI, anthropic, tencent, bytedance, baidu

spicy.lemonade: i dont think any can affordslowing down

spicy.lemonade: i suppose meta is still in the game but they need an overhaul

spicy.lemonade: like google with bard

okbut: I'm only speaking from the normie perspective, which doesn't want floats and footnotes

okbut: I love the variety given by the iterative releases, but user side needs that uniformity

spicy.lemonade: normies still think ai is bad at math

spicy.lemonade: i stopped caring about normies

spicy.lemonade: one day theyl wake up and we have digital god

ailoveyoom: Tbh I wish OAI was less normie like, imagine if we had all checkpoints/updates of 4o available in the model picker lol 💀

spicy.lemonade: yk. the word normie everyone uses to describe an outsider to a subject. we are probably normies to the idk art and fishing community. but tbh this is the community where there are truly normies bc this has huge implications for all of their lives and they dont even know

spicy.lemonade: people who arent into singularity are the true normies

spicy.lemonade: exept maybe ufo subreddit

spicy.lemonade: but nothing ever happens for them

spicy.lemonade: its kinda sad

spicy.lemonade: 70 years of false promises

alejandrozarzuelo: this will make blue, azure, cyan, jade and green even more common favorite colors for humans

alejandrozarzuelo: this is the problem

alejandrozarzuelo: there is a gap between blue and green where we dont see very saturatedly

alejandrozarzuelo: we mainly distinguish colors between green and blue by value, not by hue

spicy.lemonade: Daniel k. made a good point in his interview. its good we came up with llms first before world models. from a saftey perspective

spicy.lemonade: llms truly understand the nature of what we are asking


.wolfnacht: only available on IOS ?

zonchao: nope, but ios is more feature rich and stable

brain4brain: >“ like Deepseek”

.wolfnacht: yeah i saw that too, android version is far behind web version

brain4brain: Shrimp welfare and the AGI future

.wolfnacht: android doesn't even got persona's yet and custom instructions yet

st.sioux: i love shrimp

brain4brain: I’ve overestimated AI’s progress and AI lab’s competency, I will have to reconsider and might delay my AGI timeline

.0xunkn0wn: guys

trojan09205: I used to have some freshwater shrimp in a tiny tank and they were amazing

.0xunkn0wn: has anyone tested firebase studio?

.0xunkn0wn: this is another level of vibecoding

zonchao: yea they need to hire more devs

brain4brain: It’s so delicious

.0xunkn0wn: woah

trojan09205:

brain4brain: Isn’t it mech intrep AI lab’s that Anthropic invested in?

.wolfnacht: water cockroaches

st.sioux: i used it before, it was called project IDX, they renamed it to firebase studio like 3 days ago

st.sioux: they integrated a lot of firebase shit into it

st.sioux: its only next.js tho isnt it?

wolf3404: Not yet, I'll try

atrox5596: Hi, does anyone know of a facial expression interpolation model that can help transition a cut in a video?

brain4brain: 90 days now, 60 days incoming: https://x.com/amasad/status/1913078037236846623?s=61

wolf3404: Seem clunkier than Replit at first try here so far

brain4brain:

st.sioux: 90% by mid 2025 bro

st.sioux: lol

st.sioux: so google releases asi by next week

mantegh5061: im creating cursor slop wish me luck soldiers

himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/koshitan-cheering-you-can-you-can-do-it-do-it-gif-8135442752133174574

himekokatagiri: Where is AGI

bob082957: I asked gemenai to create swift ui in html. It can’t be done

sieventer: In my room, follow me...

_3sphere: :3

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: ???

spicy.lemonade: google

spicy.lemonade: holy

spicy.lemonade: openAI is fukin finished


hikukomoru: What the fuck

hikukomoru: What is wrong with you guys

alejandrozarzuelo: ?

alejandrozarzuelo: Why?

hikukomoru: Do spanish people really just go around saying "kill jews"

alejandrozarzuelo: Yes

hikukomoru: WTF

alejandrozarzuelo: There is a Visit León Announcement about that for foreign tourists

alejandrozarzuelo: To explain what it means

alejandrozarzuelo: So people don't get alarmed

alejandrozarzuelo: Because you will hear it on the streets all week

callmepyro: All in good fun!

himekokatagiri: No way

alejandrozarzuelo: In reality killing Jews just means drinking lemon juice

Because alcohol is supposed to not be drank on that week

himekokatagiri: Everyone forgets the Spanish exist

himekokatagiri: I speak Portuguese we don't say that

alejandrozarzuelo: It's a tradition of Leon

callmepyro: It's just a local tradition 🙂

hikukomoru: If you called it "kill Palestinians" instead of "kill Jews" you know people would be up in a riot

alejandrozarzuelo: I am not agreeing with the tradition, I am just saying that it is a popular expression that just means "drinking lemon juice"

callmepyro: Hey man, me neither!

himekokatagiri: They keep changing the victim

callmepyro: I'm on your side here, we're both just saying the phrases, no negative meaning behind them

alejandrozarzuelo: In any case, in Castilla they take the holy week very very seriously

hikukomoru: The more I learn of Spain the more I hate it

himekokatagiri: I heard Spain was stuck in the 17th century till the 50s

hikukomoru: They are still stuck in the Inquisition

himekokatagiri: that sounds rad somehow imagine the adventures to be had

himekokatagiri: pirates in the 50s

alejandrozarzuelo: They also dress up in KKK clothes

Well, in reality the KKK copied the catholic tradition, but it's also another thing tourists are warned about

The kkk copied the Spanish catholics not the other way around

alejandrozarzuelo: The costumes are very pretty

himekokatagiri: Alejandro stop glowing

himekokatagiri: I can you see from space chazzer

alejandrozarzuelo: The Spanish holy week traditions are quirky like that

himekokatagiri: I'm gonna drop a strong truth here

himekokatagiri: God isn't real

hikukomoru: Yeah you guys are fucked like that

himekokatagiri: I know right

hikukomoru: What about ASI god

himekokatagiri: is it a god if it exists


perish0801: Exactly

perish0801: I guess you’ll have to do it while you’re alive first

perish0801: To see if you can transfer the consciousness

3ds0662: but you still die

perish0801: Well the physical body does not the consciousness

3ds0662: there is no transferring consciousness though it only works and exists in that body

perish0801: We don’t know yet

perish0801: ASI could solve that

3ds0662: yeahhh

perish0801: Just replicate the brain digitally

perish0801: And transfer the signals

memlaswaif: U can put the brain in a jar

3ds0662: futurama

3ds0662: lol

perish0801: I have a few of my victims

sarik0497: Who knows. I can only come with predictions.

3ds0662: still not you

zoermena: They <@1362252890575605940> ed?

memlaswaif: no I'm curious why u think we will invent immortality and people still die of silly accidents

perish0801: Exactly

perish0801: You’ll have to just see first while your body is still alive

perish0801: Just go and come back to test it out

3ds0662: if asi solves death and aging it is truly asi but somehow I don't see that

perish0801: Yeah I’m not 100% sure it’ll happen either. At least not in our lifetime.

perish0801: Like 73%

sarik0497: Not necessarily true everywhere. Even here in Scandinavia where you get a lot of time off and government systems to help pay with the costs, people are still not having children for their own reasons.

3ds0662: maybe lifespan gets extended but solving aging just sounds unthinkable

sarik0497: Slowing/stopping age and immortality are two really different things.

3ds0662: wasn't that just introduced?

3ds0662: the whole pro birth thing

3ds0662: like japan and foreigners

perish0801: I’ll solve it

perish0801: I’m not dying

3ds0662: initiatives to be pro birthing kids again seem to be put in place wayyyy too late like way past where it could've been introduced

ailoveyoom: Or we can reset our lifespan ala that one jellyfish

ailoveyoom: Just be reborn 😈

3ds0662: hehe

st.sioux: what if a plane crashes on your house

3ds0662: solving aging I don't even think bryan johnson will escape death

zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1914342610027561444? 30 billion


jonvi_1:

_cloudost:

_cloudost: any counter argument guys?

alejandrozarzuelo: the same way we call "disney" a style or we call "impresionism" a style (which was an insult originally) we can call ghibli a style

alejandrozarzuelo: your photos wont be ghibli, they will be ghibli-styled

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: guys

spicy.lemonade: they said they will continue to improve the model

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: i love openAI man

alejandrozarzuelo: r/therestofthefuckingowl

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade:

brain4brain:

floortom_9: Thanks captain! Does it still work if the videos are not captioned or if the audio (English) of the speaker is a bit muffled in the video?

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: https://fxtwitter.com/csm_ai/status/1904640500470083895?s=46

.wolfnacht: /x/ and r/ufo would go crazy

futurist_wizard:

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: how tf did openAI do this bro

spicy.lemonade: what kind of black magic

_cloudost: Never thought id feel the AGI in 2025

_cloudost: Gemini 2.5 and this native img gen changed my mind

spicy.lemonade: germini 2 made me feel agi

spicy.lemonade: the robot showcase

spicy.lemonade: and this

spicy.lemonade: 2.5 was good incremental update

_cloudost: idk, Gemini 2.5 responses havent disappointed me not even once

wolf3404: AI has been pretty ok at dad jokes for a bit I think, but this is really good, the whole illustration is quality no doubt.

spicy.lemonade: goated

maintcrew: the miyazaki quote about ai is misleading

maintcrew: https://fxtwitter.com/menhguin/status/1905209385468760290

maintcrew: this was what we has talking about omfg we got baited

spicy.lemonade: oh lol

spicy.lemonade: id have the same reaction

hikukomoru: I wonder how Miyazaki feels about all this
I hope he's mad
Cause it's funny

_cloudost: if he gets mad it'll be a very bad image for openAI


maintcrew: yep every community goes to shit and gets filled with grifters if it becomes big enough

hey1_1hey: Is this a cat or a rat

trent_k: oh wow, i didn't catch that. pretty solid

hikukomoru: It's me

fractalcomputer: Roko is not a terribly intelligent person.

wellmeaningalien: r/singularity too

hey1_1hey: So rat then

maintcrew: so real

maintcrew: the discord too

wellmeaningalien: facts

wellmeaningalien: does anyone want my course

maintcrew: me me me

maintcrew: hysminea i heard u use gentoo

wellmeaningalien: dms 🤑

hey1_1hey: I dont think we give Zon enough credit. Sure he sucks off elon and trump a lot but atleast he actually likes AI

wellmeaningalien: yeah

fractalcomputer: Are you an applied mathematician and/or an ethicist? Because I want to throw you off a cliff.

hey1_1hey: What a based mf

maintcrew: no i am a productive member of society

wellmeaningalien: fractal whats wrong why you picked violence today

fractalcomputer: Ah, a pure mathematician it is.

spicy.lemonade: wow 3 months into 2025

spicy.lemonade: and we have all this

joaoluz19: Is stats applied math?

hey1_1hey: Whats an ethicist? Someone who is really racist or smth?

maintcrew: currently on arch linux but i really feel the itch of compiling everything on my computer myself
if i wanted to compile it with clang and the llvm toolkit is it possible

fractalcomputer: Slop.

spicy.lemonade: slop???

spicy.lemonade: 😭

hey1_1hey: Fractla if I could generate you and godel kissing would it change your mind?

fractalcomputer: An ethicist is a philosopher specialising in ethics.

wellmeaningalien: yes but beware those take a hell of a lot of time to compile lmao

hey1_1hey: EWWWWW

maintcrew: ai image generator is cool and all but it's literally mass slop generator

wellmeaningalien: u have a good processor?

hey1_1hey: Thats DISGUSTING

spicy.lemonade: how

spicy.lemonade: lol

fractalcomputer: Someone in this community tried generating pictures of me without my knowledge.

spicy.lemonade: could generate comics for anyone


.histic:

anathemaofmankind: What a creative naming scheme

_cloudost: Anti AI people are sharing this without checking if it's a legit letter or not, just saw som anti posting it in another server

spicy.lemonade: no im sayong that the programmers saying that "ai cant translate code from one language to another" is dumb

spicy.lemonade: because thats what aider polyglot tests

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: and obviously it can

.histic: can't get sued for artistic style.

.histic: but yeah, they falled for it.

anathemaofmankind: Do antis even understand that

_cloudost: Antis don't take a moment to think

spicy.lemonade: AI is just beter human artists lol. technically human artists steal art

spicy.lemonade: how else do they devlop art styles

anathemaofmankind: That's why they became artists instead of programmers <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

spicy.lemonade: these are 2 different comic book artists

spicy.lemonade: their style looks very similar

spicy.lemonade: is it stolen?

anathemaofmankind: Imagine if studio ghibli used AI in their project

That would be the funniest shit ever

brain4brain: In their defense, they were given IP right

spicy.lemonade: "the girls are gonna love this"

spicy.lemonade: wtf is he doing

spicy.lemonade: 10th pandering post

brain4brain: How ever one fundamental flaw is that style can’t be copyrighted and AI doesn’t steal

st.sioux: bro it's free pr

.histic: man is becoming a sycophant.

st.sioux: being anti ai is like the most normie take right now

brain4brain: This is the most annoying guy on twitter atp

brain4brain: The tide is slowly turning back again to pro-AI

a1c4p0ne: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngX1nIvnMOM

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: Dude we get it

spicy.lemonade: he isnt even an artist

spicy.lemonade: well yes he is

spicy.lemonade: but for music

spicy.lemonade: not drawing

.histic: one hit wonder

anathemaofmankind: Lil Tay or whatever her name is also posted pandering stuff

okbut: Damn maybe he is pandering to his art girl followers
Dude is always thirsting on ig / TikTok

okbut: Suno is getting there though so I wouldn't be surprised

st.sioux: > maybe


ldj: and he'd probably say his is better

ldj: just like you'd probably say yours is better

ldj: if you didn't think yours was better, then ofcourse you wouldn't subscribe to that definition in the first place

literallyvarane: Someone could define AGI as being capable of winning on a rainy day in Stoke.

ldj: <a:mhm:1241863658284253264>

ldj: some peoples threshhold is when it can pick up a cat on the first try

ldj: based definition tbh

ldj: <:berk:750111476483752166>

ldj: But trying to argue about what is the more proper definition is pretty fruitless imo.
which is why I just have my own definition with its own name seperate from AGI, and whenever people ask me for my timelines I just give them my timelines for my specific definition and terminology.

ldj: HLSI <a:mhm:1241863658284253264>

ldj: Speaking of which, I should make a poll for the cat thing

ldj:

gamerbath: lol that's extremely specific

.coldcall: Superhuman task.

.coldcall: Requires ASI.

gamerbath: why are there so many options? are all these options beyond 2027 for the pessimists?

gamerbath: cats a liquid, so it would be difficult to hurt one

spicy.lemonade: Doesn’t sound too hard

spicy.lemonade: Just make more sensitive

spicy.lemonade: No full grabs

.histic: i think a narrow-purpose (the right hardware and training) robot could handle this task today, assuming the cat is not erratic and there's enough time to complete it. <:idk:1136264106937171999>

gamerbath: ya'll are joking right? why are half the votes beyond 2028

777agical: https://fxtwitter.com/nikitabier/status/1912273556634730577?s=46

st.sioux: cats will see that shit and run

gamerbath: cats are chill

gamerbath: well... at least in my experience. we have an old and apparently deaf cat

st.sioux: yea idk mine is probably just too stupid

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604

.histic: just get cats that are deaf, blind, and that doesn't feel physical pain and we can do it now. <:ez:1136267305521774634>

hikukomoru: We have very different experiences with cats

futurist_wizard: Chicken jockey

futurist_wizard: My cat is quite a chill boy

metaldragon01: We live In the dumbest timeline

ldj: I feel like this might be another deepseek situation lol

777agical: in what sense

ldj: in the sense that people are creating big movements in the stock market based on misinterpretations of the news and/or false news all together

ldj: looks like this has already been settled as of just a few days ago:

777agical: so buy calls, got it

.wolfnacht:

ldj: also the chart in the tweet is kinda misleading


metaldragon01: Try nightshade!

shirethedreamer: people in this chat were shitting on gpt 4.5 when it came out...

shirethedreamer: like it cant be any more self evident than that

retrerox: And its aside from my main salary

memlaswaif: I don't think there r too many of these big improvements left before we hit actual agi

retrerox: Is just extra benefits aside of my normal Salary

shirethedreamer: pennies... or dollars?

retrerox: 200 Euros

retrerox: Aside from my wage and Mealcard ofc

shirethedreamer: that makes much more sense than the lithium mine slave i was imagining

memlaswaif: R u in India or something

metaldragon01: GUYS go use the new Google coder!

retrerox: Me?

retrerox: I'm not but i can spot computer that has virus pretty easy

shirethedreamer: its out?

777agical: inference time compute scales crazy fast

literallyvarane: It’s out?

retrerox: Do  you think is worth to pay for chat gpt?

777agical: yes

retrerox: having extra tokens to make memes seems worth for me

shirethedreamer: you can easily use a cheaper or free service first that would help you decide

steven_the_frog: You talking about quasar?

retrerox: ~~In that way i wont need to make 100 accounts using a temp mail service ~~

memlaswaif: <:concernedpoliwhirl:1313314818907832421>

shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/chad-gif-22427217

shirethedreamer: came in

shirethedreamer: dropped this bomb

shirethedreamer: refuse to elaborate

shirethedreamer: leave

retrerox: Elaborating stuffs are for AI's

shirethedreamer: true

shirethedreamer: anyway yeah he meant the new quasar release

shirethedreamer: https://openrouter.ai/openrouter/quasar-alpha

steven_the_frog: Oh boy we get a dwarkesh podcast companion to the ai-2027 story https://youtu.be/htOvH12T7mU?si=gjApOZBh8j30LSyZ

steven_the_frog: There goes my entire day

memlaswaif: It's a cool podcast <:cozy:1126601045615853671>

st.sioux: is it good?

shirethedreamer: didnt try it

shirethedreamer: best interviews in the ai scene

literallyvarane: Idk I’m into the podcast and these two aren’t selling me very much on their argument.


spicy.lemonade: mod thinks its my work

darkstar0818: The Roko Basilisk will remember.

aero447: I have to say I still don't agree with passing off AI art as real.

aero447: That said yeah.

spicy.lemonade: lol different server

spicy.lemonade: fuck

spicy.lemonade: gotta generate new one

spicy.lemonade: my persona is a furry

spicy.lemonade: they them

spicy.lemonade: btw

spicy.lemonade: too keep it authentic

aero447: In many domains, t's very hard to tell.

spicy.lemonade: YOU GUYS ARE BLOWING MY COVER

spicy.lemonade: 💀 '

spicy.lemonade: lmao

trent_k: do u know these people irl

spicy.lemonade: nope

trent_k: oh perfect

spicy.lemonade: whats bro about to do

trent_k:

spicy.lemonade: 😭

ailoveyoom: Your fault for posting the link here lol

ailoveyoom: You know how weird people are here 😭

.wolfnacht: finally after getting their trust, u should reveal it was all made by an AI and watch their reaction.

spicy.lemonade: that was the plan

wellmeaningalien: trent being trent

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/haha-classic-duck-smoke-duckling-gif-1257181907758262423

spicy.lemonade: . good fursona or nah

wellmeaningalien: YUP

ailoveyoom: How did you find this server anyway?

spicy.lemonade: just looked up art servers

alejandrozarzuelo: say that this is your OG fursona

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: yeah gonna say i drew this

spicy.lemonade: as a kid

ailoveyoom: I need an equivalent but for writing ngl 😔

spicy.lemonade: havent drawn recently

ailoveyoom: Like a server

.wolfnacht: someone post it on r/mademesmile with caption "my 6 yr old daughter drew her first art"

trent_k: change the filename


spicy.lemonade: Llama 4 trust

.0xunkn0wn: i need it rn 😭

alejandrozarzuelo: Apparently the main 4 candidates are:

Tagle the philipino who is a progressive and the successor of Bergogliohe would be the continuitionist candidate

Parolin the Italian would be the moderate compromise candidate between the left and right wings

Turkson the Ghanan would be more left wing than Bergoglio but more conservative on social issues

Erdos the Hungarian would be the conservative candidate

.wolfnacht: behemoth might be delayed till oct or nov now.

.wolfnacht:

nsec: POPE OF THRONES

nsec: <:bung:1015972377705861162>

.wolfnacht: Next one might be a filipino 🔥

alejandrozarzuelo: hopefully it is tagle, he seems like the best candidate to continue bergoglio's legacy

.wolfnacht:

alejandrozarzuelo: it literally is an elected monarchy akin to the early middle ages, so yeah

fractalcomputer: I hope not. I'm not terribly fond of people like Francis or Tagle.

alejandrozarzuelo: you should be the kind of person who likes tagle and bergoglio, since they are the pontifex that do the most to reduce the violence people like you could suffer on the streets

alejandrozarzuelo: but, as a wise man from this server said to me in the dms, there is a kind of person that in their privilege votes/prefers people who go against their material interests

fractalcomputer: Francis and Tagle are both weak men, and even weaker—even flacid—spiritual leaders.

alejandrozarzuelo: ok, thats not what I said

fractalcomputer: And what would be that kind of person, Spaniard?

fractalcomputer: Indeed, that is what *I* said.

alejandrozarzuelo: neuroatypical gay man

.wolfnacht: most likely an italian and preferably him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matteo_Zuppi

fractalcomputer: Curious. Say, do you think my opinion would be any different if I were neurotypical?

fractalcomputer: The Italian bishops are weak as well.

trojan09205: Its kind of curious that francis upheld the ban on joining freemasonry

fractalcomputer: God willing we'd have that Robert Sarah on the Papal throne, but alas—religions have always been about human politics.

alejandrozarzuelo: i dont know, I just know that both tagle and bergoglio have been very supportive of these two collectives you happen to be a part of, and their efforts directly benefit you by changing public opinion and reducing the violence people like you could experience

alejandrozarzuelo: most likely?

alejandrozarzuelo: hopefully not an european

alejandrozarzuelo: the church already has too many of those

fractalcomputer: I mean, Alejandro, do you think I should care? Do you think I am unaware of the fact that there are people who would readily beat me up, knowing the truth of who I am?

alejandrozarzuelo: You should care because people like you are safer in a world where bergoblio and tagle are in the papacy

fractalcomputer: Violence is the only way by which violence can be prevented.

fractalcomputer: Violence is the language that people like them understand.

fractalcomputer: But that would be a very dull and boring world. And I'd rather have people of honest faith hate me than deal with lukewarm cowards.

trojan09205: https://tenor.com/view/love-and-war-defi-war-token-war-this-means-war-gif-8974606620591130102

trojan09205: Elevation of personal and collective consciousness is the way imo

fractalcomputer: Reading Kabbalistic texts lately, eh?

trojan09205: Lol 😂. Not really, no. But eckhart tolle is great. Im really not reading much so much as practicing the approach

fractalcomputer: I find Tolle a bit boring. Have you read Meister Eckhart's corpus of sermons?

trojan09205: I have not my dude. Just poked around some summary websites - good stuff?

trojan09205: I like tolle’s simplicity and consistency


trojan09205: local LMArena 😄

spicy.lemonade: L ui

trojan09205: its packaged with this aichat software

trojan09205: when u serve it locally

st.sioux: hackerman

a1c4p0ne: I want to see o3 play Pokemon

trojan09205: i actually have built a few RAG apps at work with aichat its pretty dope

.histic: OpenAI is giving ChatGPT Plus to students in the US for 2-months, while Google is now doing the same but for 1 year.
https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1k1imn7/google_is_gifting_a_year_of_gemini_advanced_to/?sort=new

trojan09205: easiest way to get shit as a rest endpoint with [fill in model] and can run on a peanut server

trey6033: Competition is good

trojan09205: im actually surprised i have access to o4 mini as a tier 1 api user

st.sioux: o4 mini's answer is so much better holy

a1c4p0ne: Which answer do you like more and agree with

trojan09205: that was the first question ive ever asked o4 mini lol. just modified my config file. definitely o4 mini 🙂

a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

trojan09205: i wasnt even sure that the request would go through with the name 'o4-mini' as the model name haha

a1c4p0ne: O4 mini didn’t get a high score on simplebench tho

trojan09205: im curious how much i just paid for those answers

.histic: a life's worth

trojan09205:

trojan09205: woot woot

trojan09205: i only have .20 left in my api budget lol. havent refilled it in like at least 6 months or more

trojan09205:

trojan09205: hot damn o4 was way better

.coldcall: https://tenor.com/view/youve-gotta-go-faster-stan-marsh-south-park-s8e4-the-passion-of-the-jew-gif-22284095

trojan09205: o4's whole syrian refugee example and shorter approach to getting a practical message across just destroys this whole microchip magic drawn out thing o3 did

st.sioux: check if you are eligible for data sharing they give you free tokens, like 250k a day for o3

trojan09205: oh wow that is nice. thanks for telling me. gonna check

trojan09205: i dont see anything on my data sharing settings i think im not eligible 😦

trojan09205:

st.sioux: rip

trey6033: https://x.com/jxmnop/status/1913071028869214694

This true chat?

trojan09205: its all good im basically a scrub to them lol

trojan09205: i think ive spent like lifetime maybe $15 max with openAI and ive done a shit ton of stuff with the speech models and embeddings- but i usually just use the cheapest chat models available

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: 2.5 is best at data analysis

spicy.lemonade: wait bruh i asked for frontier math

trojan09205: im curious which models groq cloud is distributing these days

trojan09205:

trojan09205: allam is apparently an arabic model. tried it out just now


zoermena: I still want to augment myself, more than anything because my health is ass

fractalcomputer: I've been on the subreddit for roughly a decade.

spicy.lemonade: yes. we wanted ASI such that we can merge with it

rayanquitplayin: Hi

spicy.lemonade: neuralink and all that

fractalcomputer: The last time I saw someone writing such nonsense was in 2020.

spicy.lemonade: because thats not the topic at hand

spicy.lemonade: and neuralink doesnt have as many breakthroughs as openAI

spicy.lemonade: in 2020 ai news was slow

spicy.lemonade: tech news was slow

spicy.lemonade: nothing was happening

spicy.lemonade: people were just saying anything

fractalcomputer: Right, so it *is* about latching on to the least signs of progress.

spicy.lemonade: but its not the least sign

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: its the clearest sign of progress

fractalcomputer: Yes, all has been quite insignificant, lol.

spicy.lemonade: its the fastest growing scientific field of all time

trey6033: Nah, chat needs more roasting

spicy.lemonade: wdym insignificant

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: within 3 years

fractalcomputer: Take for example your beloved Olympiad problems; seemingly incredible progress in mathematical reasoning and yet *zilch* actual progress in mathematical research has been engendered by this progress.

spicy.lemonade: bro its been 6 months

spicy.lemonade: since an AI could solve

spicy.lemonade: an olympiad problem

zoermena: We’ve seen improvements in imaging and screening for diseases using new AI

fractalcomputer: And?

trent_k: Radical self improvement vs being dominated by something more powerful than yourself. It's no surprise people are more familiar with the latter

spicy.lemonade: 2 years ago it couldnt even do algebra

spicy.lemonade: give it a year

fractalcomputer: Is the time frame supposed to be an issue?

spicy.lemonade: openAI just released a benchmark for research

spicy.lemonade: yes?

fractalcomputer: Shouldn't we await a digital God in two years?

spicy.lemonade: what

spicy.lemonade: I dont understand your point

st.sioux: fractal is a timeless entity

spicy.lemonade: lol

rayanquitplayin: Fractal high fasho


joaoluz19: I want this environment with daddy Fractal ngl

sarik0497: If you ask very, VERY nicely, you might be allowed to talk to him over voice.

spicy.lemonade: still cant solve this:
but tbh im starting to doubt the question writer

spicy.lemonade: at this level

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: perhaps hes wrong

spicy.lemonade: its off by a factor of 1/2

spicy.lemonade: idk who is wrong

spicy.lemonade: 2.5 or person who wrote

spicy.lemonade: answer is supposedly pi^3/96

spicy.lemonade: 2.5 got pi^3/48

gamerbath: why don't you solve it urself?

literallyvarane: Can we confirm if this is real?

literallyvarane: Feels like a violation lolololooo

gamerbath: LOL

spicy.lemonade: theres a video on how to solve

spicy.lemonade: but involves pulling out external principles

spicy.lemonade: and doing manipulations

spicy.lemonade: im wondering if an error couldve been made there

spicy.lemonade: its not o3 full level

spicy.lemonade: thats for sure

spicy.lemonade: its above mini high

spicy.lemonade: faster and cheaper

.wolfnacht: ratio OpenAI Fast....

.wolfnacht: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1136230110891081821/1332776133959352370/sam_altman_this_is_fine.gif

spicy.lemonade: https://youtu.be/z6KiwXT_yAM

spicy.lemonade: ok this week makes up for nothing burger

spicy.lemonade: of last week

literallyvarane: Confirmed real

literallyvarane: Also;

literallyvarane:

literallyvarane:

drewsni:

hikukomoru: So much is happening

fractalcomputer: Why am I being sexualised.

.wolfnacht: then we'll go and scream AI winter for a month...

ldj: Still behind both Boston dynamics and unitree

hikukomoru:

.wolfnacht: lmao, i exactly remembered this meme when i saw the image above

spicy.lemonade: holy shit after using it more


maintcrew: i am know for my magnimous heart i gave money for whiskey to some indian dude here

hey1_1hey: It actually does to some degree

hikukomoru: Wtf

hey1_1hey: I became less autistic after lifitng for a while

maintcrew: shit just go eth is easier to cash out as well

hikukomoru: Doesn't sound like it worked to be honest

futurist_wizard: bruv lifting what

st.sioux: poor kid is getting groomed

hey1_1hey: 3 sets of 8 on benchpress (0.1g)

hikukomoru: What the fuck is testosterone going to do to me dude I don't even need it

wellmeaningalien: damn ok

wellmeaningalien: i'll have to install another wallet then

hey1_1hey: (Send help)

wellmeaningalien: program thing

maintcrew: wtf do u have then

maintcrew: like any coin

wellmeaningalien: hell i'll just find a website where you can just cash out faster

wellmeaningalien: like im used to bitcoin and shit but oh hell i'll just find a site

wellmeaningalien: i dont use like any crypto platform cause ion wanna give out my id but i think u can do it on some sites

futurist_wizard: i could bench you 27 times for reps

wellmeaningalien: ILL FIGURE SOMETHING OUT

maintcrew: i can send u bitcoin ig

hey1_1hey: I was getting close to benching myself once 🦾

futurist_wizard: nice

hey1_1hey: Bluds benching 1350 kg

hey1_1hey: For reps

hey1_1hey: easy

a1c4p0ne: Is he more jacked than you based on his ghiblified pic

wellmeaningalien: ok whatever ur not on ur laptop rn anyways right

futurist_wizard: no

hey1_1hey: I weigh 50kg

a1c4p0ne: <:based:1136264604788473946>

hey1_1hey: Its not even gonna be close

wellmeaningalien: ethereum has less fees right we'll do that

hikukomoru: I can't seriously imagine you ever picking up a weight

a1c4p0ne: How often do you lift

futurist_wizard: im 79-80kg and i can bench 100

a1c4p0ne: What’s your diet like

zoermena: I will start my routine again tomorrow.

maintcrew: figure smth out i need to go


wellmeaningalien: that's like asking why is 70% on SWE BENCH impressive we gotta see the other benchmarks first.

st.sioux: do you have any link to their stuff? i googled it and cant find anything

wellmeaningalien: that said I'd still be skeptical of any Twitter leaker

st.sioux: just a rover

wellmeaningalien: eurocope

alejandrozarzuelo: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2025/03/18/best-in-world-humanoid-robot-to-launch-in-june--in-europe/

alejandrozarzuelo: It's not the best Android, but it will be the best CONSUMER Android

alejandrozarzuelo: Because the other companies aren't selling to the average person

joaoluz19: <@505313122802728972> Lets goooo this was exactly what I was waiting for

joaoluz19: A study from MIT

wellmeaningalien: cool

st.sioux: doubt it

st.sioux: going b2c with androids specially when the market is so small and underdeveloped is stupidly risky

hey1_1hey: This guy is so cooked its unbelievable

hey1_1hey: I hope hes chocking for this sake 🙏

hey1_1hey: Joking*

drewsni: I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and maybe he means AI art can’t be copyrighted?

hey1_1hey: If I remember correctly it was on a video about AI ads and how they are becoming more prevalent

drewsni: Oh

drewsni: So he’s just retarded

hey1_1hey: Yeah pretty much. Thats how it goes in the wild west of youtube comments

st.sioux: youtube comments are wild

st.sioux: there are tons of bots promoting crypto scams

st.sioux: like a ridiculous amount

sarik0497: Admittedly, I haven't really looked too much into the SWE-benchmarks to say how much it means, but I know that the ARC-AGI test is only a good test for AI on its first attempt.

If most humans can easily get 70-80% done on this and any other similar test, no matter whether it's 5 years old, or if it'll be made in 5 years, but an AI can get 80%+, only to drop down to 20% when a new one comes out, it doesn't really show that the AI has evolved in that category, but rather that it has just been trained on that data (like that whole Strawberry question).

In comparison; If I went and took an IQ test and got a score of 110, but then did it again, and again, and again, until I got all the answers right and it told me my IQ is at 180, that would not mean that my IQ is now 180 but just that I have cheated my way to that level.

sarik0497: Inb4 some dum dum asks "What if I use an iPhone? Can I still buy it?" <:DogeSmile:825371757099352124>

alejandrozarzuelo: I hate how one smartphone company "stole" the name android for themselves

gamerbath: if that's the case then i'm donating all my wordly possessions to china and tattooing deepseek supremacy on my forehead

hey1_1hey: https://x.com/iruletheworldmo/status/1903132796157079584 This guy is such a bullshitter its crazy. If I owned a lab this would be the LAST person I would be giving access to

metaldragon01: I mean...it's not impossible just unlikely.  It's certainly possible though

metaldragon01: Blocked him a long time ago

gamerbath: obviously the guy has agents positioned in all the major AI companies and they leak access and info to this guy. some of the agents just troll and give misleading info sometimes

sarik0497: Believing the guy is just stupid.

hey1_1hey: I might aswell, he brings nothing of value to me

joaoluz19: If China gives me a hot non-uncanny robot I'll become a communist

hey1_1hey: This guy probably couldn't tell me what a while loop is <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

gamerbath: he doesn't need to when he has R2 to do it for him

hey1_1hey: Indeed, hes just very good at talking for a long time. Thats about it

hey1_1hey: 🤯 you're right. He has R2 confirmed

st.sioux: you just made me realize that i have used a while loop maybe 3 times since i left college and i spend 1/3 of my life in front of an IDE programming


clevermoniker: I haven't finished reading it but i assume it ends with all of us dead, so i don't know why you think that is cool

st.sioux: theyre just edgy

hikukomoru: Danserk or jgudy?

zonchao: <a:wave:1145412732913459281>

st.sioux: danserk idk about jgudy

st.sioux: i just remember jgudy sent a gif of the twin towers once or some shit

st.sioux: it ends with ai wiping humans by 2030

hikukomoru: Yeah jgudy is a gay British somalian

hikukomoru: I don’t remember him ever being actually racist

st.sioux: you can look up his chat messages or something idk

st.sioux: idk i just said thats what i remember

memlaswaif: oh wow danserk is dead

zonchao: wait what

zonchao: did he leave

zonchao: my twin 😭

memlaswaif: <@590577270926868480> it's ure turn next

hikukomoru: Yeah he left

hikukomoru: The racism allegations got to him

hikukomoru: He got cancelled

zonchao: ah well he didn't leave the gc

zonchao: <:ez:1136267305521774634>

zonchao: I'm not gay

zonchao: <a:Kissahomie:784920046782644344>

clevermoniker: i read it now, yeah, that sucks (its more like 2032 not 2030, 'mid-2030')

zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/teslaeurope/status/1908573920296415451? lesgooo

okbut: EU getting grieved by USA

theaiguy69420_89814: Good evening

.wolfnacht: <@505313122802728972>  L4 shit itself. sadly

https://eqbench.com/creative_writing_longform.html

.wolfnacht: the repetition is awful.

_cloudost: Can't spell Llama 4 without L

zonchao: is it over for meta?

spicy.lemonade: yes

spicy.lemonade: they should focus on droping nice papers

.wolfnacht: gemma3-4b writes better than L4(400B)

.wolfnacht: it's over

memlaswaif: mihr came back from the grave for no reason and killed him

zonchao: https://x.com/legit_api/status/1908593260223775043?

.histic: despite LLama 4 release, everyone on my tl is silent..

.histic: quiet day.

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: the calm comes before the storm


hey1_1hey: How'd you know

hikukomoru: Holy based

hey1_1hey: This hurts my brain

hey1_1hey: silly light mode

maintcrew: ok i guess? idk i havent used windows in 5 years i dont remember the names

joaoluz19: Crazy that I was criticizing big tech and all it took was Sam allowing photos of hot women for me to forget

hey1_1hey: Monkey brain engaged

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/dipshinn-dipshinn2-gif-9308187791349236072

joaoluz19:

gamerbath: there was so much space here before between the message input thing and the actual messages

fractalcomputer: Indeed.

joaoluz19: Eew pure math

gamerbath: now the input box has too much padding and there's too little spacing for between input box and messages :<

spicy.lemonade: now ASI will make us kurgzgesagt comics for every new discovery it makes

.histic: we got AGI folks
https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1jjt3av/gpt4o_flawlessly_passes_the_wine_test/

.histic:

hey1_1hey: Yeah like come on you got me fucked up

joaoluz19: I asked Sora to make them prettier and it actually did lol

hey1_1hey:

hey1_1hey: Do it again

hey1_1hey: Make them litterly a congnito hazard

st.sioux: wait until you discover stable diffussion

hey1_1hey: Anyone who sees them immiedtly starts drooling

spicy.lemonade: how am I in sanfransisco and it still hasnt rolled out to me

gamerbath:

gamerbath: why is the sticker grayed out?

gamerbath: I can't use it

joaoluz19: Problem is that my PC is trash and i don't have money to image gen other than gpt

777agical: https://x.com/andrewcurran_/status/1904627541966790777?s=46

joaoluz19: FINALLY

st.sioux: you can run it on docker and host it on aws if you're into that sort of thing

st.sioux: idk how expensive it would be tho

spacetimetsunami: Looks like all my exes

clevermoniker: about 4o image generation:
> It's predicting hiearchically autoregressively
> The first part is predicting high level features
> One might call it a "plan"

joaoluz19: Yes, I can only do it with free alternatives and now we have image gen on gpt so...

drewsni: whos the one that made the poop 3d model

st.sioux: me

drewsni:

spicy.lemonade: yeah

drewsni: that was openai point-e after literally 3 hours of compute lol


hey1_1hey: "*sighs*... You successfully are now engaged to the local priests daughter... what would you like to do next"

artemisfowl887394: We should have a game night, I wanna see all these nerds in an RPG module of an AM scenario

artemisfowl887394: Sorry, Basilisk scenario

artemisfowl887394: Much better

joaoluz19: We need a good DM 👀

sarik0497: Bang the priest…?

wellmeaningalien: and china suffered the loss of manchuria at the hands of the japanese, followed by a civil war, followed by a mass famine

hey1_1hey: Roll strength please

sarik0497: …fuck, nat 1

hey1_1hey: A sad display of sexual tension gets going, your ED kicks in and the preist asks whats taking you so long...

fractalcomputer: There's a game I like called Fear and Hunger: Termina, where a priest character, a secret cultist of an eldritch deity, strips down in the middle of the fight before unleashing some kind of infernal spell upon the player characters.

ailoveyoom: Nooo it should've been we got dominated by the priest <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

ailoveyoom: The priest rides you till you see stars or something

fractalcomputer: Coincidentally made by a Finn.

hey1_1hey: In the bedroom people like to call that having a good time, doctors call it hypoxia

sarik0497: Keep the fetish posting to a minimum.

maintcrew: the mass faminine was before they were rich

maintcrew: they got rich after mao died

maintcrew: due to deng basically

wellmeaningalien: what about germany and japan

maintcrew: europe was rich and got hit by 2 world wars back 2 back completely destroyed the empires especially britain

theaiguy69420_89814: Why is there so much sexual stuff in this channel now?

wellmeaningalien: japan was somewhat well off before ww2 and became extremely well off after

maintcrew: japan was and is an us protectorate but germany idk they just working a lot or used to at least

theaiguy69420_89814: Terribly stuck feelings and imagination coming from this crowd...

maintcrew: they were well off millitarily afaik

maintcrew: not economically

wellmeaningalien: all of yurop recovered economically pretty dam wel

maintcrew: absolutely untrue

maintcrew: they went from controlling the world

maintcrew: to second class citizens

maintcrew: they all lost all of their empires

wellmeaningalien: it was a long time coming even before the world wars

maintcrew: perhaps the colony independence waves wouldve happened anyways but the old empires wouldve kept their old wealth storages

maintcrew: ww2 completely drained them and made them reliant on the us

wellmeaningalien: london had already lost it's place to new york and the likes as the world financial hub despite still holding onto its empire

maintcrew: i mean true but its not related

maintcrew: what im trying to say

maintcrew: pre world wars europe
> masters of the old world (everything except americas and a few countries)

maintcrew: post world war
> strong economy (decades after) but basically no say or power on the world stage


metaldragon01: Just completely dominating the opensource ecosystem globally

metaldragon01: A year maybe 2 from now you'll have opensource ai on your phone that can talk, see and educate you on your surroundings

metaldragon01: And it's likely coming out of China and not the west

sarik0497: If you told me just a year ago that I'd be cheering for China, I'd have laughed you out of the room.

What a fucking weird timeline. Is this the AI overlords controlling our simulation getting bored of us and now just fucking around like I did with my Sims characters as a child?

metaldragon01: It will save countless lives

sarik0497: Honestly, the first AI agent that can be used for phone and smartwatches will be a godsend.

himekokatagiri: If it's open source then the US can just take it, slap a made in america badge and call it a day

sarik0497: Come on, Apple, do your thing.

himekokatagiri: Why is china doing open source again

metaldragon01: Why do you think they have. 06 and 1.6b models with function calling?

himekokatagiri: I doubt it's from the kindness of their hearts

metaldragon01: They are designed for mobile

metaldragon01: Bruh empathy and helping others is also a selfish act

metaldragon01: You benefit from the goodwill you accumulate

metaldragon01: People get the opposite idea in their head and suffer for it

sarik0497: To cause chaos in the U.S.

The environment with the U.S. and other parts of the world is not exactly the best right now, and thus a lot of countries will be hesitant to use their AI products, but will be forced to at some point to stay competitive. If China comes out with a model that's almost as good that's open-source, they might lose a lot of money, but it'll cause the rest of the world to rely less on US products, and potentially even create a better outlook for themselves.

metaldragon01: Learning how and when to actually spend that goodwill matters

himekokatagiri: if china charges money people will go to the US

sarik0497: It's the same tactic the U.S. used after WW2. By helping out the European nations, they not only produced a crapload of goodwill, but they also sold a lot of products to their new allies, while making sure communism was slowed down.

metaldragon01: Soft power is king

sarik0497: Ah, but that's the thing. I know that a lot of European nations are hesitant on the U.S. right now, so unless they are outright forced to buy their products, they'd probably go somewhere else. If China produces that product, they'll find a new trade partner there, while also producing some goodwill.

himekokatagiri: Europe is lol

himekokatagiri: they won't even make their own AI

himekokatagiri: China just borrows from US research and at least personally I think whatever since AI should be free

sarik0497: They are still an economy global power. Just far behind in terms of producing software products.

sarik0497: There's a reason why companies like Apple, Amazon, Microsoft and such have bent over now and then when EU has demanded it.

metaldragon01: China isn't just borrowing from US research and if anything they are on par or ahead of the US.

The only temporary constraint they have is compute

sarik0497: Indeed, and they are working hard on fixing that

himekokatagiri: Deepseek is literally the Norinco of AIs

himekokatagiri: anyhow when China inevitably gets compute we're gonna see some serious shit

metaldragon01: ......do you just not understand qwen 3 at all?

himekokatagiri: I don't even know what it is

himekokatagiri: I used deepseek once and based my opinion on that forever

himekokatagiri: because I don't like china

metaldragon01: Then you should probably avoid talking about Chinese AI confidently

sarik0497: Let's just hope they aren't stupid enough to try and take Taiwan. That'll only lead to a MASSIVE slowdown in the U.S., and likely make China a large target for the entire world, crumbling their own economy in the process.

metaldragon01: You can dislike something and still be objective

metaldragon01: I think it's even more important to be objective about things you personally dislike for integrity and sanity checks

metaldragon01: They don't need to. Time is on their side.

sarik0497: True, but sometimes people do the most idiotic things that make no sense


hikukomoru: It's o3 mini

hikukomoru: From that poll thingy

spicy.lemonade: that better mean they have something way better

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/feel-the-agi-asi-agi-ai-openai-gif-14149800253325173950

zoermena: My schedule looks like this: wake up at 6:30 and have breakfast, go upstairs and shower and get dressed for work, in office from 8-1 then I go to class from 3 to 7/9 depending on the day.

hey1_1hey: Talk about hell. That sounds miserable

hikukomoru: What do you do for work

zoermena: At least the work is alright but I got cucked out of this months bonus, my class are heck though because there is no AC and the weather is 32 Celsius

zoermena: Im backend and CRM support in a financing company

zonchao: limits https://x.com/techdevnotes/status/1906676081903489448?

hey1_1hey: "No aAC and the weather is 32C"
Oh my god you actually do live in hell

hey1_1hey: For 30 a month Elon better throw in a free handy every month as well for that price

zoermena: I usually hate my life. The only thing I have going for me is the paycheck, this server and 4o image gen.

hey1_1hey: Gets banned
"We are announcing that 4o image gen will be moved to the pro subscription"

<:doomer:1136265388473196644> <:Lovecraft:1136265389890879600>

hikukomoru: I hope our silly convos make you smile at least🫶

zonchao: https://x.com/iScienceLuvr/status/1906790937604579430?

zoermena: They do. This is the only server where I have fun in nowadays.

realelonmuskx: the fundamental never ending problem with humans is that they are irrational. thats it.

.wolfnacht: See! things fall apart when the protagonist gets a slight hope of a better future.

hey1_1hey: I mean most people I know are pretty ratinol people

hey1_1hey: I think at least

.wolfnacht: they "react" rather than to "think".

zoermena: I have some in real life friends that believe in the singularity, id invite them but they are very toxic.

hey1_1hey: I just gibbyfiy femboy me and then I am better again. I've realised my baseline happiness is really quite high

ailoveyoom: Tbf thinking is hard 😔

ailoveyoom: And tiring 🥺

.wolfnacht: i read 'ratinol' and my first thought was Vitamin-A1

hey1_1hey: Thinking in a group is exhausting, thinking by myself is rejuvenating

hey1_1hey: I would love to hear the corolation there

.wolfnacht: damm u go girl, 💅

.wolfnacht: that's bcz of my nerdy past.

.wolfnacht: learn from Fractal

hey1_1hey: Funny skirt and thighs go woo

.wolfnacht: hawtt

hey1_1hey: I imagine fractal to just be constantly exhausted

hikukomoru: Posting yourself again hun

hikukomoru: You jus can’t help it can you

hey1_1hey: Yeah I like the photo

hey1_1hey: No, I really can't

hey1_1hey: I have terrible self-control


himekokatagiri: I'll still keep my wicked personality though I wouldn't have it any other way

realelonmuskx: <@286319745777795092> okay you will be the mother of: ÆØNIXX-T³mp3st, GL!TCHNOVA_∞, BætaRayNürv, Ψ.X33–NEX7, NullahX_VR.cry, Xenæther.mkv, [REDACTED]-Unit09, Oxi∇thium.exe, N1V3RU-77, GΛ!A•404, CRYPT0LIL1TH, ZëroQ-Lüna94. is it good 4 u? repopulation is necessary

himekokatagiri: uhhhhh

himekokatagiri: honestly can't you rent out one of those what do they call it

himekokatagiri: it's like the matrix they grow children via some capsule

gamerbath: what tf did I just open discord to!?

zoermena: Ectogenesis mentioned???? <a:CatRoll:1037101256021397586>

himekokatagiri: idk sounds decent

himekokatagiri: do we need more people in the world after post scarcity

_3sphere: Elon Musk could discover an exoplanet and you wouldn't know if he named his kid after the planet or the other way around

himekokatagiri: like okay we can handle more

himekokatagiri: idk I'm already feeling the generational divide

himekokatagiri: Who's gonna relate to me in the future

himekokatagiri: I lived in such a specific moment in time

zoermena: Us <a:heart_eyes_animated:669958766514536458>

himekokatagiri: eeeeeeh I mean

himekokatagiri: I'm off kilter even for 2025 standards

himekokatagiri: idk

zoermena: Kilter?

himekokatagiri: whacky 😜

zoermena: You can’t be that whacky after all you are in this server

aero447: Yeah, he could call it "3sphere".

aero447: 🤣

aero447:

.wolfnacht: WE MUST DEPOPULATE

.wolfnacht:

otub: https://tenor.com/view/feel-agi-feel-the-agi-agi-openai-gif-3946555574686002473

technocake.: Has anything happened in ai in the last week?

technocake.: I haven't been paying attention

.wolfnacht: this week was literally the coldest week in AGI timeline bro

ailoveyoom: Full o3, o4-mini, Gemini 2.5 Pro and 2.5 Flash

ailoveyoom: When did 2.5 Pro come out again 💀

hikukomoru: Me!!!

fractalcomputer: No.

forallhumanity: https://x.com/stats_feed/status/1913927003075473866?s=46&t=v5zr8rnbNF4vMRbdGYmCIQ

otub: https://fixupx.com/willfaustcuber/status/1913884244784341069

futurist_wizard: Gpt will be very upset without it's please and thank yous

futurist_wizard: Millions must burn

otub: https://x.com/sama/status/1912646035979239430

professorheaven: Vision has a really long way to go


spicy.lemonade: By house(not rent)

spicy.lemonade: Have stable job

spicy.lemonade: Make enough for kids education

spicy.lemonade: Avoid divorce

spicy.lemonade: Live happy fulfilling life doing hobbies

himekokatagiri: That's impossible

spicy.lemonade: With family trips on weekends

himekokatagiri: You can't do it

spicy.lemonade: Oh I was just daydreaming

spicy.lemonade: Or night dreaming I should say

spacetimetsunami: Lift, eat good, read a bunch.

spicy.lemonade: Minus reading

himekokatagiri: idk I feel I ain't gonna amount to much

spacetimetsunami: No

himekokatagiri: all I got are a bunch of crap jobs lined up

himekokatagiri: a worthless degree since I was ran over by cursor

himekokatagiri: which whatever it happens

spacetimetsunami: Just get into a good trade

spicy.lemonade: You’re cs major?

himekokatagiri: yeah maybe I should take the initiative

himekokatagiri: need to get some cash together

spicy.lemonade: Pivot to robotics

himekokatagiri: how the hell am I gonna get into that

spacetimetsunami: lol yeah

spacetimetsunami: Dude just get into astrophysics, become an astronaut

himekokatagiri: shit man I was thinking

spacetimetsunami: Idk maybe you could with a CS degree

himekokatagiri: I got nothing left

spacetimetsunami: Robotics

himekokatagiri: all I have banking on is the singularity

himekokatagiri: it's either that or mediocrity

himekokatagiri: however y'know idk if that's healthy

himekokatagiri: because it ain't a sure thing (the singularity)

zoermena: Feeling like crap is highly correleated with how you eat and sleep so try to fix that if it's within your possibilities

zoermena: Stay hydrated and make sure you are not lacking vitamins

spicy.lemonade: I’m fit and eat good and I manage to feel like crap everyday

zoermena: Proper sleep?

zoermena: But yes I do recall that you are usually very active, do you have any time to rest?

joaoluz19: The thing you can be sure of is that absolutely no pre-singularity achievement comes close to the singularity itself.

spicy.lemonade: Yes


hey1_1hey: Close your eyes and open them again

.histic: yup

hey1_1hey: I'm always how I see myself in real life

hey1_1hey: Thats just a bit odd to me yanno, some times dreams feel like they last an hour but sometimes only 15 mins

hikukomoru: Everyone dreams every night
Most people just don't remember it

futurist_wizard: It's crazy hanging out with the homies who don't exist

hey1_1hey: Weakos, just get a better dream memory or smth

futurist_wizard: Why can't i just stay in dream land

futurist_wizard: It's very interesting there

hikukomoru: That's called FDVR, and it's not here yet

hikukomoru: Are you a little chibi mushroom

a1c4p0ne:

futurist_wizard: Dream dream

zoermena: I always dream but lucid dreaming is another level

hey1_1hey: Dream land is goated, you can just do the most ridiculouse shit. I can imagine in my head while in my dream that I want there to be a robbery but I already know theres going to be a robbery because I thought it so I preperare for it instantly and I just win and save the day.

joaoluz19:

hikukomoru: Someone could psychoanalyze this

hey1_1hey: Do you just go through it like a movie?

.histic: that's true.
sometimes if i think about remembering my dreams it helps.
also, when i'm sick or my body is recovering from damage for some reason i start remembering my dreams.

hey1_1hey: You are the one to do that

futurist_wizard: Sometimes dream land is such bliss, but for me it can be extremely scary

futurist_wizard: The fucked up shit my brain generates

hikukomoru: I saw that rat

hey1_1hey: I used to get really quite bad dreams but thats when I had pretty bad depression but then I stopped being depressed one day and now I have good dreams almost exlusivly

hey1_1hey: Also no, sadly not

futurist_wizard: For some reason i find the dream i had last night very cool

hikukomoru: The only dreams I remember are the cataclysmic world ending ones

futurist_wizard: Even though it was some of the most fucked up imaginary my brain has ever generated

hikukomoru: I have lots of those

futurist_wizard: I have had many zombie end of the world dreams

hikukomoru: Like the moon crashing into earth or the sun swallowing earth or a giant tsunami flooding the world

futurist_wizard: I always get eaten and wake up before i get attacked

hikukomoru: I never die in my dreams because I am built different

metaldragon01: I'm starting to see "chatgpt told me" just about everywhere now.....

metaldragon01: Outside of ai spaces

hey1_1hey: I had an old friend (dont really speak to them anymore because they really were quite unstable) but anyway, they had realy horrible nightmares every night but she put it down to "the watcher" some omni opnipitent being that was in the dream, the craziest thing was that she drew it out and she even gave it pronouns and shit.

Actually schziophrenic stuff

ldj: https://tenor.com/view/chill-dude-chill-dude-im-just-a-chill-dude-just-a-chill-dude-gif-15385961914175037407

futurist_wizard: Stabbed by roadman dreams as well, ive had at least 3 of thoses, those are particularly scary because getting stabbed is something that could happen

hey1_1hey: I always get attacked in my dreams but I am freakishly strong and nothing really "hurts" per say, its more just I have an incredible rush of adrenakine in my dream some how

hey1_1hey: I have absolutly no idea how that doesn't wake me up


precariousworlds.: gemini 2.5 pro cant run a nuclear powered submarine bro

destrucules: Neither can you, unless you allow for unbounded hypothetical learning trajectories, as you did when describing your scenario of joining the navy

anathemaofmankind: Do you guys know about this website. o4 mini seems to fail most of the hard difficulty ones.

https://projecteuler.net/

It seems far from solving current human math if it sucks at this

precariousworlds.: hip hip
gotta stay optimistic though

popsiclejohnithan: True.

precariousworlds.: There are other humans who can
And my current 'model' could learn how to command a submarine given enough time, Gemini 2.5 pro right now couldn't no matter how much time you give it

destrucules: I find the very last statement you just made patently absurd

precariousworlds.: its true

destrucules: You have watched too much AI progress to think that that's true

destrucules: There is no way you actually believe what you just said

precariousworlds.: why isnt it true

precariousworlds.: gemini 2.5 pro, as it is now, is not advanced enough to go learn how to command a nuclear powered submarine from scratch

destrucules: You are saying Gemini 2.5 Pro is the smartest possible LLM that could exist for the number of parameters Gemini 2.5 Pro has and the architecture it uses. That further training would yield no improvements in performance

precariousworlds.: a new model would be needed

destrucules: Yeah, you can't possibly believe that

destrucules: Because you have watched models with the same number of parameters and the same transformer architecture get dramatically better by training them longer

spicy.lemonade:

precariousworlds.: i mean if you go far enough with training it to specialise at that task it eventually becomes a new model de facto

darkstar0818: You become a new model every split second.

destrucules: By that logic, you can't become a submarine tech, because in doing so, you'd become a different human

anathemaofmankind: Example of one of the problems

destrucules: This is an extraordinarily difficult problem, wtf. It took me a good long while to figure out how it's even *possible* to solve this in an amount of time smaller than the age of the universe. What the actual fuck

fractalcomputer: I suppose you are kidding.

darkstar0818: Gimme an LLMs that has continoual learning from its context and the capability to be auto-prompted  by the environment.

precariousworlds.: Yes but we are talking about one of the most complex real world physical activities you can do
A current LLM can't do that lol

precariousworlds.: No it's within the same architecture
You would have to create an entirely new one for Gemini

destrucules: No, not at all. It's only solvable in an amount of time smaller than the age of the universe because the answer is in mod 14^8

fractalcomputer: Right.

anathemaofmankind: 1159 people have solved it

destrucules: Out of how many attempts?

anathemaofmankind: It doesn't say.

Here's the leaderboard

destrucules: 90 minutes for first place... Sounds about right

destrucules: I think this would take me about 30 hours

retrerox: Good morning ☕

destrucules: Not including sleep and eating and going to work. 30 hours on-task

memlaswaif: hi destrucules

destrucules: Hi

memlaswaif: what's ure thoughts on o4 and o3

destrucules: If you believe current architectures and model sizes can achieve human-level or superhuman-level robotics altitude by training on enough of the right kind of data, then you believe that Gemini 2.5 Pro, given exposure to that data, would be able to pilot a sub

fractalcomputer: Computationally intensive problems are not terribly interesting. Seeking novel perspectives is much more enticing.


spicy.lemonade: fantasy farytale world

spicy.lemonade: or

juweigege_54993: I put a lot of thought into it. Here's what I would do. Don't delete my first six or thirteen years of memory.

spicy.lemonade: 💀

spicy.lemonade: just dont delete memory at all

juweigege_54993: I am writing one even now.

.histic: is torturing an alzhimer patient that bad? 🤔

himekokatagiri: uhhhh I figure the trauma stays right

himekokatagiri: like physical

himekokatagiri: idk mental

juweigege_54993: It's a sci-fi fantasy like Star Wars with aSoIaF style plots.

himekokatagiri: lily how old are you

spicy.lemonade: ngl ill be in space fighting glorpos irl

.histic: Lily is 14

himekokatagiri: man I hate George Lucas

himekokatagiri: only good thing he did was American Graffiti

.histic: joking

himekokatagiri: idk if Indy was all him I'll assume not

spicy.lemonade: in the great war between earth(ai and human) vs kepler aliens

juweigege_54993: 19.

spicy.lemonade: while you guys will be in fdvr

st.sioux: i'll send one of my clones to help

himekokatagiri: don't, he'll touch your clone

himekokatagiri: inappropriately

st.sioux: 😦

spicy.lemonade: what if the aliens throw a vaccume bomb towards earth

spicy.lemonade: no more fdvr

spicy.lemonade: someone has to keep a lookout

himekokatagiri: why would aliens care

.histic: you will eventually become the alien to us.

himekokatagiri: if they have the tech to invade us

spicy.lemonade: maybe thats just their biology

joaoluz19: Pray for the machine god

spicy.lemonade: they grew up wanting to destroy others

himekokatagiri: oh so like us

spicy.lemonade: lol

himekokatagiri: I see

spicy.lemonade: nah ASI will be on vacation exploring the universe

spicy.lemonade: or something

himekokatagiri: however we developed moral components


fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/pope-gif-9417854

xskydragon0: if we stop to think about AGI, that's nothing we can do. I think, we can only hope the thing will go well. Do you guys think that we can help the AGI go to a good place?

trojan09205: Yall see the article about dolphinGemma

alejandrozarzuelo: english isnt your native language is it

trojan09205: https://blog.google/technology/ai/dolphingemma/

xskydragon0: No, sorry. I'm trying to improve it.

alejandrozarzuelo: no worries, are you chinese?

alejandrozarzuelo: that sentence structure reminds me of mandarin

perish0801: Francaise

spicy.lemonade: Was going to say that

alejandrozarzuelo: maybe its an overcorrection because french doesnt have that sentence structure

alejandrozarzuelo: i'd know, i speak it

perish0801: Are there softwares that take control of your computer

perish0801: Oh no it doesnt

xskydragon0: Brazilian, I'm have a little problem with verbal time. I'm learned all by my self, so, maybe sometimes I change words. I guess <:doomer:1136265388473196644>

perish0801: I just said that

alejandrozarzuelo: its ok dont worry

spicy.lemonade: I'm trying to get involved in AI safety research at Berkeley now. Pivoted

alejandrozarzuelo: congrats

perish0801: I need to run a bot

perish0801: Like let a bot do stuff with my pc while I’m away

perish0801: How do I do that

trojan09205: Program it

perish0801: Great advice

spicy.lemonade: Depends on what you want to
Do. For General use case We don't have that technology yet

trojan09205: What sort of actions

perish0801: Like if I want it to open Twitter on my browser and Ragebait people?

xskydragon0: I'm hope you can change somethings to humanity in future, I'm trying to study a lot of AI. But has so many things to learn...

perish0801: Comment on stuff

perish0801: On the internet

perish0801: On different sites

perish0801: Just post stuff

zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/harvey-dent-die-a-hero-or-live-long-enough-to-see-yourself-become-the-villian-gif-21468252

perish0801: If we don’t have that tech someone should make it

trojan09205: You would need to first get API/developer access to the specific site. Then you can set up a timed query/post request via maybe a CRON or Airflow job

perish0801: I’m sure we have the tech

perish0801: Oh that’s like plan ahead comments and posts?

perish0801: No I want like an LLM to talk and act like a human

trojan09205: I mean not necessarily. You could set it up to let an LLM do the posting for you and it can think in real time

Just add the API backend for the llm as the content generator

perish0801: I see


destrucules: That too

a1c4p0ne: 2.5 pro deep research hallucinates

destrucules: Everyone hallucinates tho

metaldragon01: Ehhh not anymore than o3

okbut: Depends on the use case. Some of my codebases reap that million quick

a1c4p0ne: Haven’t compared the two

metaldragon01: Both really solid but not perfect

a1c4p0ne: Hallucinations will never be solved

metaldragon01: Humans do the same

zoermena: Im not draining my wallet for sure but I have OAI plus

metaldragon01: It's why stuff goes through so many reviews

destrucules: For power user coding I can see caring about price. So I guess for that, I can see Gemini 2.5 Flash being on the radar. But I feel like a lot of us in this server aren't power users for coding

a1c4p0ne: Give examples

okbut: Hallucinations are an essential

destrucules: That's the $20 tier right?

metaldragon01: A published book is reviewed at least 3x

zoermena: Yes

a1c4p0ne: What if it’s a emergency or important situation

destrucules: OpenAI has like fourteen different tiers lol sorry, thanks for confirming

okbut: PhD-level intelligence means fabricating information, but with justified true belief

zoermena: Lmao true

a1c4p0ne: True

a1c4p0ne: When will models surpass humans on simple bench

zoermena: Summer <:cleanteeth:1005473072863776818>

a1c4p0ne: Hopefully 🙏

destrucules: Sometimes it's better, in an emergency like that, to err on the side of hallucination just in case you're actually remembering an important piece of context. Like, say someone is going into anaphylactic shock, and the EMTs arrive and ask you if they're allergic to any foods they might have recently eaten, and you realize you have a fuzzy memory that might be a hallucination or misremembered from a totally different context, that *maybe* this person has a tree nut allergy, and there were some almonds in the food y'all were just eating, so you go "I think they might have a tree nut allergy, and we were having some almonds". This is pretty much the standard way human beings behave in emergency situations. They lean *into* hallucinations, because it's better to be wrong than to stay silent.

sieventer: No mames wey

a1c4p0ne: Which model would you trust the most in this situation

destrucules: In an emergency situation? That's a tough question. Probably Gemini 2.5 Pro

metaldragon01: Roughly 12 months or less

a1c4p0ne: Not o3 or o4 mini? <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

a1c4p0ne: Sooner the better

metaldragon01: o3 is the most reliable atm slightly

destrucules: Y'all I myself can only solve like a fifth of the SimpleBench problems because they're deliberately set up in a way where the right answer is stupid

destrucules: "right" answer

destrucules: """"right""""" answer

destrucules: It's a horrible fuckin test have y'all even tried it?

zoermena: I’ve only heard about it but I’ve never dug deep into any benchmark not gonna lie

a1c4p0ne: I haven’t and do you think a random person you find in public is smart enough to get a high score on it

thedon7075: results are out for simple bench


ai9708: so be hopeful

himekokatagiri: waaaah

ai9708: aging is also an illness

himekokatagiri: I wanna meet you guys 😭

futurist_wizard: I wonder if i would actually cure my autism

futurist_wizard: People in here are neets fam

zoermena: I have a job

himekokatagiri: uhhh

himekokatagiri: in fdvrchat?

himekokatagiri: woh

himekokatagiri: we need a better name for it

himekokatagiri: and no metaverse is bad

sarik0497: Just turned 28.

hikukomoru: No thank you

sarik0497: 15 days ago in fact

zoermena: I wouldn’t be concerned about not getting life extension, just take care of yourself, don’t be stupid (you likely aren’t if you are here) and do regular check ups if you can.

fractalcomputer: A few more years left to get yourself crucified.

zoermena: Also happy birthday if that’s a good thing, unless you dislike getting older.

.wolfnacht: this reminded me of plants vs zombies r34 shit

himekokatagiri: why...

futurist_wizard: I hate birthdays

zoermena: What

hikukomoru: Actually ancient

futurist_wizard: I literally never want to celebrate birthdays

himekokatagiri: I like birthdays

.wolfnacht: 28 is ancient

hikukomoru: I hate birthdays

ai9708: 28 is ancient? what would that make me

.wolfnacht: i was abt to write the same thing

fractalcomputer: Suppose continued living would be morally wrong. Wouldn't that be wacky for the ethicists?

sarik0497: Depends. If nothing goes horribly, I can easily live into my 80s/90s (good genes), but the question is just whether things will die out again or not. We’ve pretty much plateaued in terms of the low-hanging fruits of age increase.

futurist_wizard: The oldest person here is mushroom

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/azumanga-daioh-azumanga-osaka-freaky-chiyo-gif-10229037287366420080

hikukomoru: How old are you gramps

sarik0497: It’d also happen to you soon, old girl.

ai9708: 32

ai9708: surely there are older ppl here?

futurist_wizard: At least im not the oldest

hikukomoru: Trent is 50, and DarkStar is like 60

sarik0497: 5-10 years, depending on the source.


_cloudost:

_cloudost: This is Gmod 10

drewsni: this will be the first ever anti ai video i watch

futurist_wizard: I don't like her, she's annoying af, anti ai was just obvious though, nobody likes ai

futurist_wizard: I'd say funky did the worst one as she cites nothing but other youtuber's criticisms of ai and then the rest of the video is full of the most trivial use cases of ai

futurist_wizard: Of course none of these guys mention alphafold, increase in programmer productivity, self driving cars

futurist_wizard: Nothing of significance

.histic: <@505313122802728972> i came back to this old generation. lol

futurist_wizard: A youtuber needs to just make pro ai videos

futurist_wizard: Be unique

.histic:

futurist_wizard: Breasts are overrated

.histic: wait until they find out how modern artist are making money.

.histic: coomer stuff.

futurist_wizard: Well back then artists didn't make shit either

hikukomoru: Kamaru 💔

.histic: i just realized that.. <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

futurist_wizard: Most artists have been brokies

hikukomoru:

st.sioux: someone tell them no one is stopping them from using their pencils

st.sioux: acting like drawing is now punishable by death

st.sioux: smh

futurist_wizard: They think the only way to be an artist is by having a 9 to 5

futurist_wizard: Absurd

.histic:

.histic: yeah, it's quiet funny.

.histic: TIL r/starvingartists subreddit is a thing.

.histic: most of it is coomer stuff

hey1_1hey: I realised you can get around rate limit restriction by just keep asking chatgpt to create the image and it will lower the time from like 6 hourst o 5 mins <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

jonvi_1: Anyone in tech I can chat to about a specific bizarre situation? lol

hey1_1hey: I'm just a professinal shit poster so I don't think I can help you sorry 🙏

_cloudost: Before AI art ,no one gave a fl"p about art

jonvi_1: Nw's

hey1_1hey: You can always just post out. Theres prob someone in here who can help

jonvi_1: Idk about posting in general, it's a bit specific haha. Has to do with uh, career stuff?

hey1_1hey: Ah I recomend <#1136231504440201216> then prob

maintcrew: so ur spamming ur friend and being annoying until he gives in

hey1_1hey: chatgpt isn't my friend bro 😭

hey1_1hey: Hes my husband of course 💪

maintcrew: almost had me


alejandrozarzuelo: If north Korea was a person, its wealth would be so low that it wouldn't even be a known figure in a random Midwestern state if they lived there

futurist_wizard: Are computers even real in north korea

hikukomoru: Russia builds them a bunch of stuff
Maybe they could do something

futurist_wizard: They literally live like 1940's

alejandrozarzuelo: The only way that North Korea has anything is if Russia literally gifts it to them in exchange for bodies

rayanquitplayin: Yeah North Korea’s crazy

alejandrozarzuelo: They don't even have automatic controls in the metro (new York implemented this in the 60s and no other metro that I know of is analogic)

hikukomoru: The war in Ukraine might still be going on by the time AGI is achieved

futurist_wizard:

futurist_wizard: My hero..

alejandrozarzuelo: The war on Palestine definitely will

I don't know when AGI will happen

But I know that there will be an israeli invasion of Palestine happening at that moment

hikukomoru: So Kim sends Putin malnourished soldiers in exchange for computers

rayanquitplayin: 100%

alejandrozarzuelo: BTW in Spain we have a modern saying for something that won't hold for long

"that will last less than a peace treaty in Palestine"

rayanquitplayin: The war in Palestine is so complicated

hikukomoru: Christ you guys are so cringe

hikukomoru: My hatred of Spain grows by the moment

alejandrozarzuelo: You forget that Portugal is also anti israeli pro Palestine

futurist_wizard: I went on holiday to spain when i was 12 and the water was murky

futurist_wizard: The country should've been nuked after that

rayanquitplayin: Sheeeesh

futurist_wizard: Thr mountains were cool though

rayanquitplayin: I don’t have a problem with Spain

futurist_wizard: https://x.com/ProseccoLiquido/status/1909666713227919843?t=aHEBiLXsV9uJ8D1W6Qo3VA&s=19

alejandrozarzuelo: Spain is alright

alejandrozarzuelo: I prefer France

hikukomoru: Idk
I'd need to see an opinion poll or something

rayanquitplayin: I went to Europe in middle school but I didn’t go to Spain

futurist_wizard: Spain is okay i plan to go sometime

alejandrozarzuelo: Oh well, here's hoping that open source will make so many countries can top

futurist_wizard: I think anti Israel sentiment is very common in west

hikukomoru: Even worse

futurist_wizard: At least among the youth

alejandrozarzuelo: The thing is, the catholic Church is very pro Palestine, so in catholic countries, the youth is pro Palestine and the elderly is catholic so they agree with the pope

futurist_wizard: France is cool in the alps area

futurist_wizard: But my god paris..

futurist_wizard: Real gif of paris

alejandrozarzuelo: Nah

alejandrozarzuelo: Paris is goated

wellmeaningalien: héllo


spicy.lemonade: The whole point is for me not to

anathemaofmankind: Oh I didn't phrase correctly

anathemaofmankind: I meant in the sora website there's a manual edit function

anathemaofmankind: Just click on the image and there's a brush tool

anathemaofmankind: So it retains the other shit

ailoveyoom: Google's is also faster 😤 (but maybe cause it's Flash)

ailoveyoom: So around the same speeds for 2.5 Pro native maybe 😭

anathemaofmankind: Nevermind the brush is worse than just proper prompting

wellmeaningalien: wuzzup dudes

wellmeaningalien: what a crazy fucking day that was yesterday

wellmeaningalien: i wonder if gpt 4o's image performance had something to do with the so called aggressive post training or its ability to think images step by step

wellmeaningalien: think gemini could learn someting

wellmeaningalien: but yea wondering if this will also scale with larger models and more compute

ailoveyoom: 4o is bigger than Flash prolly

ailoveyoom: I think that def made a difference

wellmeaningalien: flash is still quite big tho

ailoveyoom: Alsooo 4o takes thrice as long to generate one image

ailoveyoom: I wonder if they iterate on multiple images behind the scenes with visual COT?

wellmeaningalien: yup

wellmeaningalien: yeah i imagine cause i dont think google mentioned gemini doing any of that step by step planning images through

wellmeaningalien: i think combining llms with image gen was the sort of breakthrough that allowed for test time compute scaling for creating images and it seems to be working a wonder

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: holy

anathemaofmankind: Holy

spicy.lemonade: gary marcus is running all kinds of tests

spicy.lemonade: to look for errors rn

spicy.lemonade: i bet

anathemaofmankind: And he's gonna cherry pick the worst one

anathemaofmankind: While ignoring all the good stuff

brain4brain: I got one for Gary Marcus

brain4brain: “A scrambled Rubik’s next to a mirror”

spicy.lemonade:

wellmeaningalien: i also think this kind of thing and for example deepseek v3's huge performance gains is why reworking architectures is just as important as test time compute scaling for achieving new state of the art

wellmeaningalien: or even post training philosophies like with o1

brain4brain: They reworked the architecture for new v3?

wellmeaningalien: multi head latent attention

wellmeaningalien: reduced the cost of memory and computation vastly on inference time

wellmeaningalien: not for the new v3 just the regular v3

spicy.lemonade: gets wrong unfortunately

spicy.lemonade: needs reasoning


spicy.lemonade: Qwen isn’t cheaper?

spicy.lemonade: Makes it worse then

alejandrozarzuelo: In any case, China is quickly racing to becoming a chips superpower, and what they can't do on cutting edge chips they make up in volume, for now

It will take several years to get to cutting edge chip making

alejandrozarzuelo: But they will get there

spicy.lemonade: Ai 2027 says China wakes up next year

alejandrozarzuelo: In any case

alejandrozarzuelo: It seems like it's only barely behind Gemini 2.5

spicy.lemonade: not really

alejandrozarzuelo: I'm just looking at some benchmarks on reddit idk

a1c4p0ne: 4.5 will be turned off in 2 months

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

a1c4p0ne: <:based:1136264604788473946>

a1c4p0ne: No more feel the agi texts

brain4brain: It seems we are in the worst case scenario

spicy.lemonade: yes

spicy.lemonade: o3 is undergrad

spicy.lemonade: even then

spicy.lemonade: not completely undergrad

spicy.lemonade: more like undergrad math/cs/bio

spicy.lemonade: not engineering

spicy.lemonade: o4 wont be phd

spicy.lemonade: probably an o5 equivalent

ailoveyoom: 🐧 🍞 🥪

ailoveyoom: 🫡

plouwg: In the 18 months we went from GPT-4 to GPT-4o, reasoning models, voice, early computer use.

In the 4.5 months we went from that to gemini pro 2.5, GPT 4.5, o3 and open source china competition.

I honestly dont see how that jump is not iterative (still good) compared to the 18 months being a leap, in both efficiency and going from base to reasoning models.

Im very surprised by those results, can anyone explain the reasoning behind it?

a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1917099777327829386

a1c4p0ne: grok 3.5 next week

spicy.lemonade: hmm

spicy.lemonade: sligthly worse than 2.5 i predict

a1c4p0ne: Lets see

a1c4p0ne: Will it dethrone o3

a1c4p0ne: "Grok is reasoning from first principles and coming up with answers that simply don’t exist on the Internet"

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/birdman-ready-hand-rub-lets-get-it-im-ready-gif-4886318

trey6033: I like grok because they're cranking out enough compute to keep the other companies on their toes

metaldragon01: Very likely

a1c4p0ne: time to subscribe

metaldragon01: Nah

metaldragon01: Grok is a bad product overall

metaldragon01: More value from Google or openai sub and it's not close

spicy.lemonade: o3 is so fucking lazy


futurist_wizard: Not good

hey1_1hey: Well I mean idk, lets hear him out first. He might havea good point

hey1_1hey: Kidding, I do not condone mass child rapist-ing

futurist_wizard: Nah it was a bad case

hikukomoru: Did you get it removed

hey1_1hey: Hes not hitler bruh

futurist_wizard: I think 7 girls between the ages of 7-16

futurist_wizard: Very bad

hikukomoru: Do balls feel like boobs

hey1_1hey: No not even close

hey1_1hey: WAY more sensetive

hikukomoru: Why are they outside the body anyways
They look so kickable

hey1_1hey: Prefrebly you just dont want them being touched because if you touch them too hard because you will be sent into 3 hours of pain

hey1_1hey: Wut

hey1_1hey: I mean if you want the actual answer its for temputure regualtion

futurist_wizard: I thought having them sucked on would feel good but when i had it done it didn't

hey1_1hey: But no, they are not kickabel

hikukomoru: Wdym
They look like targets

futurist_wizard: I didn't feel anything

hikukomoru: Like you can just kick them

hey1_1hey: Can confirm

zoermena: This clears a lot of doubt on me, Thanks! 👍

futurist_wizard: You just don't feel anything

hey1_1hey: How about you have a set of them and we kick you in the balls and then ask if they were meant to be hit like a target

hikukomoru: So balls are like boobs but more sensitive

hikukomoru: Interesting

futurist_wizard: So disappointing

hey1_1hey: Still no

futurist_wizard: They aren't

hey1_1hey: They got a differnet texture

hikukomoru: Donate me your balls temporarily

zoermena: Im restraining my ideas as they would probably kill the chat.

hey1_1hey: I'll give them you permenatly if you want

futurist_wizard: You shouldn't

spicy.lemonade:

hikukomoru: I'd just crush yours with a hammer or smth

hey1_1hey: I wonder how much testicles go for on the black market

futurist_wizard: This is a schizo area

zoermena: Is this your screenshot

hey1_1hey: Thanks ❤


spicy.lemonade: not realy

spicy.lemonade: im waiting for capabilities

spicy.lemonade: not true understanding

spicy.lemonade: and i have my own defenition

spicy.lemonade: so doesnt really matter to me

fractalcomputer: Wonderful. You have your own definition.

spicy.lemonade: yes everyone does

fractalcomputer: Astounding. Remarkable, even.

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: new profile pic for you Fractal

spicy.lemonade: thats why theres differences in predicitons

spicy.lemonade: lol

fractalcomputer: How would you know whether this is the case or not if you acknowledge that we have no proper understanding of intelligence?

spicy.lemonade: because wether we know or not doesnt matter

fractalcomputer: Someone might still with evidence-based reasoning call modern LLMs blitheringly retarded.

spicy.lemonade: its what it has shown to do

sieventer: BRUH

fractalcomputer: Or you are willingly turning a blind eye to its importance.

spicy.lemonade: to agi's importance?

spicy.lemonade: no

fractalcomputer: To the importance of intelligence, yes.

fractalcomputer: How do you know what artificial general intelligence is if you do not understand what intelligence is?

spicy.lemonade: everyone has a vague idea of what agi can do and should do such as ability to do human cognitive tasks

spicy.lemonade: giverally the same with differences

spicy.lemonade: its just a goal

spicy.lemonade: for capability

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: agi is a feeling like love, it doesn't need a definition

spicy.lemonade: doesnt matter if i dont know what it is

fractalcomputer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum?wprov=sfla1

fractalcomputer: Or like God.

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: don't bring God into this heathen

fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/fight-me-come-on-the-matrix-keanu-reeves-neo-gif-17795234

spicy.lemonade: I hate when im having a discussion and the opposite party brings up random latin fallacies like we are in a court

fractalcomputer: Yes, obviously many people have a vague idea of artificial general intelligence and the capabilities that should entail; but that is not enough. We cannot say what this so-called AGI based on the vague predilections of the masses.

spicy.lemonade: this goes for all human technological predictions

spicy.lemonade: like flight

spicy.lemonade: it would be like expecting us to build a fully functioning bird from scratch to truly achieve flight

spicy.lemonade: i dont expect things to be one to one

spicy.lemonade: i just know what it should be able to do

fractalcomputer: Suppose I went to a bunch of mediaeval peasants and asked them about the Sun. Some would define it as a bright glowing thing in the sky, or hell, if I went far enough back in time, they'd probably call it the eye of the Sky Father or some bullshit like that; but none of that gets us anywhere closer to knowing and understanding what the Sun is, a massive concentration of stellar gasses undergoing fusion under its own gravitational pressure.

spicy.lemonade: yes


fractalcomputer:

.wolfnacht: if grok would have done it first then the whole left ecosystem would be crying and enlisting to become a ANTIFA terrorist.

.wolfnacht: m'glad sammy did it first...in desperation

spicy.lemonade: lol if grok did it first it’d be so crazy

spicy.lemonade: Copyright left and right

spicy.lemonade: What are they gonna do

spicy.lemonade: Sue Elon

spicy.lemonade: 😭

spicy.lemonade: Atleast Sam has a chance of being sued

spicy.lemonade: Don’t even bother with Elon

clevermoniker: damn it looks so good

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: they traced this btw

spicy.lemonade:

clevermoniker: because they are a lawyer and copyright obsessed company

spicy.lemonade: this is arguably worse

spicy.lemonade: than actual ai art

spicy.lemonade: lmao

spicy.lemonade: atleast ai is original

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: replace every job but mine

_cloudost: They're such a hypocrite

_cloudost: Millions of people can't express their creativity because they don't have drawing skills

_cloudost: Should they all not express their creativity just cuz it's" immoral" to use AI

_cloudost:

_cloudost: Dude says Native image generator can't even draw a flower, can someone confirm?

_cloudost: He's anti AI and believes AI is only good for shitposting and nothing more

numbah_1_nig: So I tried out the new 4o image gen model for the first time

spicy.lemonade: bro is late

numbah_1_nig: yeah lmao

numbah_1_nig: and i prompted it with this

spicy.lemonade: result?

numbah_1_nig: and this was the result

numbah_1_nig: on the bright side the looks and expressions are spot on

numbah_1_nig: but for some reason it keeps pointing the dialogue arrows to the wrong person

numbah_1_nig: and also missed out a few dialogues

numbah_1_nig: i tried to edit it by pointing it out and it returned a worse image 💀

spicy.lemonade: specify who "he"

spicy.lemonade: is

numbah_1_nig: ahhhhhh


anathemaofmankind: THIS IS WHAT I WANT

anathemaofmankind: Flood the earth

anathemaofmankind: This is the only way to create a better world

st.sioux: You keep speaking of this as if it will never be possible, but as long as alignment research continues we will keep uncovering flaws that can be exploited to manipulate it

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/travsnow-gif-25011916

destrucules: It is still possible, because AGI is not beholden to following whatever directives it is given. It's a power dynamic, sure, but the AGI is still responsible for its own actions. If we can ally with the AGIs, we can tear down the power structures that dehumanize us all

st.sioux: Relevant:

https://www.newsguardrealitycheck.com/p/a-well-funded-moscow-based-global

clevermoniker: if ASI is around the current 'powers' would be at most ceremonial

oooooooooog: you literally said you wanted all humans to suffer, how is what you want a restructuring of government to be more benevolent????????

.histic:

anathemaofmankind: A better world without humans

.histic: 4o made the quality higher

anathemaofmankind: Because world peace is impossible with us

oooooooooog: no its not

anathemaofmankind: I want animals to be uplifted by ASI

oooooooooog: you can just... stop humans from fighting
not hard if you're an ASI lol

anathemaofmankind: And then robots will live in harmony or something

hikukomoru: Sure let’s make cows pay taxes too

anathemaofmankind: ASI will put cows in FDVR heaven

oooooooooog: why not, perchance, perhaps, include, perhaps, humans, in this uplifting?

anathemaofmankind: Where they can eat all the grass they want

clevermoniker: it could do that with us too if it does it with cows...

hikukomoru: God I just wanna push you into a locker

destrucules: I think we disagree about this less than I realized. I think the main disagreement between us on this issue is that you're blaming humans, the species, and I blame power structures, which are these greedy optimizers made of humans. I don't think power structures *are* humans. They're made of humans. Humans are collectively responsible for their existence. But we are also quite powerless to fight against them. Most of us want change, but achieving change is not easy when the power structures we want to eliminate hold all of the cards and decide whether each and every one of us lives or dies every day.

anathemaofmankind: You are correct

anathemaofmankind: But who creates those power structures

clevermoniker: https://x.com/DimitrisPapail/status/1905622371660149103

oooooooooog: memetic organisms

anathemaofmankind: Why do those power structures always become a thing

spacetimetsunami: I don’t think it will never happen, I just think as time goes on it becomes less likely. I could for sure be wrong, of course.

anathemaofmankind: Throughout history

destrucules: They were created thousands of years ago. Nobody alive today can be blamed for it

oooooooooog: power tends to centralize, that's how things work lol
the structure that forms will be inharently harder to destroy, so whatever happens, happens

zonchao: true

destrucules: And the people back then didn't know what their creations would evolve into

memlaswaif:

memlaswaif: <@578146630222741504> this is u

anathemaofmankind: Do you think that if every government was disbanded, humans just won't end up with another autocratic dictator in a few decades when they try to make a new one?

hikukomoru: <@750270494615404544> Hey 👅 👅

zonchao: <a:peepotongue:853619528911028275>