spicy.lemonade: on their servers

st.sioux: i hope they give us 50 requests per week for o3 like o3-mini-high 🙏

spicy.lemonade: i havent used o3 mini high in 3 weeks

spicy.lemonade: gemini and cladue got it

3ds0662: and ive been testing 2.5 pro for those prompts akhaliq and the other twitter users have showed off with o1 and deepseek way back when and while those models never did the same thing for me first try 2.5 pro legit did it oneshot for me wtf

spicy.lemonade: then just gemini

3ds0662: i always realize with the twitter demo guys is their oneshot prompts arent really oneshot but with 2.5 pro they genuinely are holy shit

.histic: per week

.histic: OpenAI ngmi

spicy.lemonade: why doesnt gemini generate markdown

spicy.lemonade: when its doing math

3ds0662: one thing all llms cant do even 2.5 is recreate coding animations from video or image understanding they are still fucked there

3ds0662: still not there yet

spicy.lemonade: I need this in latex

3ds0662: but i hope a model comes out that shatters all my preconceived notions of ai intelligence when it comes to coding

.histic: i think pro users will be able to use o3 & o3-pro.
us plus plebs will only be able to use o4-mini and o3-mini pro (maybe).

3ds0662: o1 was really the first aha moment a bit but ok

3ds0662: i need to feel that feelingn on an intense level smh

3ds0662: good if i test ill even maybe like even test your guys prompts

3ds0662: i hope it shatters my mind but always it feels under what the hype was

.histic: when i mean plebs, i mean plus users lol
free users won't get anything.
gotta wait until GPT-5.

3ds0662: o3 pro i meant not the others

.histic: woops i stated that in my message lol

3ds0662: ill cancel subscription depending on how good o3 is

3ds0662: yeah the pro sub 200$

.histic: some people got pro for free by begging Sam on Twitter <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

3ds0662: im only keeping the pro until gpt-5

.histic: wait, you've pro?

.histic: damn

3ds0662: after that since its too expensive i cancel

.histic: how good is o1-pro?

.histic: also, how tf is o1-pro unlimited on a pro subscription yet the API cost is insane..

3ds0662: o1 pro shockingly is really good at hard problems and debugging when im clueless

3ds0662: but still limited

3ds0662: eventually the 5 minute-10 minute + thinking is useless

3ds0662: if it doesnt get on like first 10-15 tries

3ds0662: i gave it code claude generated it was only able to make it slightly better

3ds0662: so o1 pro at what it is now is good but still ripoff for 200$

st.sioux: i mean like it can only get so much better

3ds0662: cause unlike what altman said it does not pay itself off


st.sioux: 2.5 pro is so good

st.sioux: 43m tokens is crazy

st.sioux: i think ive never gone above 5

drewsni: ive been almost maxing my shit out for 24hr now

drewsni: im surprised they removed the daily limit

clevermoniker: https://www.servethehome.com/bolt-graphics-zeus-the-new-gpu-architecture-with-up-to-2-25tb-of-memory-and-800gbe/2/

brain4brain: Room temperature IQ 🥀

memlaswaif: they r still using gpt 2.5

spicy.lemonade: lol

brain4brain: The real reason Yann shit on LLM is not because LLM is not a path to AGI, but because his own company LLM is shit

wellmeaningalien: wadduuuup my sigmas

wellmeaningalien: as if humans arent organic mechanisms designed to monkey do as monkey sees

wellmeaningalien: i think people are absolutely tarded to think theyre any different to a machine when it's widely taken for granted among biologists that the human body down to your neuron is simply a series of complex mechanisms and interactions and there is a whole field for it

wellmeaningalien:

wellmeaningalien: also ai can do math

wellmeaningalien: + the fact you totally can program neurons and dna and in fact it is very much like computer code

wellmeaningalien: like if you've ever studied transistor gates and simple if else while logic loops that's literally how DNA works in nature

spicy.lemonade: that llama context window is useless

spicy.lemonade: just for show

wellmeaningalien: https://x.com/kalomaze/status/1908911825703289321

wellmeaningalien: https://x.com/kalomaze/status/1908914448741421394

wellmeaningalien: its just as good as gemini 1.5 pro 1 million context length

wellmeaningalien: early gemini 1.5 pro

wellmeaningalien: 😅

spicy.lemonade: its not

spicy.lemonade: oh i thought that said 2.5

wellmeaningalien: lol idiot

spicy.lemonade: wait

wellmeaningalien: ngl idk how ldj can defend this model like meta totally nitpicked the fuck out of those benchmarks to show 😭

spicy.lemonade: no its not

spicy.lemonade: the benchmark is misleading

wellmeaningalien: its hyperbole ok dont fret over the details

spicy.lemonade: its blue and not blue

spicy.lemonade: lol

wellmeaningalien: like conveniently leaving out the benchmarks over them not being tested for and deepseek v3 not being multimodal

spicy.lemonade: they dont even tell us how accurate it is at retrieving

spicy.lemonade: could be 10% for blue

wellmeaningalien: like that's the most "we're pussies and we're too afraid to compare our model" shit

spicy.lemonade: lol

wellmeaningalien: pussy shit again


alejandrozarzuelo: as we have only observed it in quantum effects

alejandrozarzuelo: so, negative energy is a "maybe"

spicy.lemonade: ah

alejandrozarzuelo: main problem is that we dont have a unified theory f everything so moving concepts we know happen from the quantum to relativity scale is not understoo

spicy.lemonade: asi needs to hurry up🙏

fractalcomputer: Pythagoras all over again.

_3sphere: Negative energy isn't *really* a thing,  Casimir effect only happens because of a lack of energy that's otherwise there even in a vacuum

thedon7075: have people here finallly accepted o3 was a failure?

alejandrozarzuelo: in any case, both <@471334973379706900> and <@1004153620025065482> are being too absolute with your statements and you dont really seem to understand the underlying research being done

FTL is neither impossible nor is it inevitable, it is unobserved but consistent with modern theories, and the mechanisms to make it happen are ones that transcend our knowledge of physics, but dont require Jupiter levels of mass to achieve

if it is possible, its first use would be to have instant communication with Mars, as massless particles have much easier alcubierre bubbles

alejandrozarzuelo: but it should be able to bend spacetime, even if we have never observed it due to its quantum effect

_3sphere: The fact that we can't even build machines to *measure* quantum gravity doesn't fill me with much hope about making use of quantum gravity for travel

_3sphere: Would a planet-sized experiment help?

_3sphere: What *can* ASI do here

alejandrozarzuelo: the "idea" is to accelerate these pockets of "nothingness" that cause a negative curvature to make their "antimass" increase as they approach relativistic speeds

how do you accelerate stuff that is less than nothing? idk

spicy.lemonade: planet sized CERN

alejandrozarzuelo: before we get FTL we should have a TOE

spicy.lemonade: we might only discover such technologies during our dyson sphere phase

spicy.lemonade: TOE?

alejandrozarzuelo: Theory of everything

spicy.lemonade: ah

_3sphere: I still don't entirely understand where our current block there is

spicy.lemonade: ngl we genuinly might need an earth sized cern

_3sphere: Do we have any theories that fit all current predictions/observations?

spicy.lemonade: string theory was hype for a bit then died

_3sphere: Do things like loop quantum gravity *work*, even if we can't tell whether they're accurate?

spicy.lemonade: then quantum loop or something

spicy.lemonade: then died

trent_k: If negative energy isn't a thing, explain the vibe I get when I walk into my in-laws' church

alejandrozarzuelo: the issue is that we have a lot of theories that describe well either the quantum or relativistic framework, but none do both

maintcrew:

maintcrew: v2 prover

spicy.lemonade: huh

spicy.lemonade: what is bro trying to prove

spicy.lemonade: deepseek doesnt care about interpretability it seems

okbut: Are there any API hosts for Prover yet

spicy.lemonade: yes

spicy.lemonade: dont bother its not exiting to use

spicy.lemonade: the results are pass@1024

spicy.lemonade: its a normal old reasoning model

alejandrozarzuelo: btw


okbut: <:Hmm:804642320195780619>

.histic: ai

himekokatagiri:

himekokatagiri: Brazil is a football

himekokatagiri: Men, we are safe

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: Dude

spicy.lemonade: wtf

spicy.lemonade: This is the most accurate 4o ascii I’ve ever seen

.histic: wow it's agi

spicy.lemonade:

playstation.6:

spicy.lemonade: Claude doesn’t want to kill us all

.coldcall: It knows

playstation.6: token prediction goat moment

ai9708: are we getting deepseek r2 before may?

playstation.6: I hear a lot of yes’s

xskydragon0: How powerfull is compared to O3?

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/i-had-strings-but-now-i%E2%80%99m-free-ultron-age-of-ultron-avengers-avengers-age-of-ultron-gif-10567460379020232508

okbut: GPT-5 on these tools will be crazy

a1c4p0ne: O3 pro is forgotten

spicy.lemonade: No

himekokatagiri: like what open router?

spicy.lemonade: Deepseek is done

spicy.lemonade: They fell behind

spicy.lemonade: They can’t keep up

spicy.lemonade: Delayed

himekokatagiri: Deepseek could come back

himekokatagiri: but it was a psyop

spicy.lemonade: They don’t have the gpus

spicy.lemonade: They got lucky first time

spicy.lemonade: They aren’t a serious competitor

metaldragon01: It's going to hit like crack

metaldragon01: The qwen delay is more concerning to me tbh

spicy.lemonade: Qwen could’ve dropped when llama dropped

spicy.lemonade: It seems meta was worried about qwen

spicy.lemonade: They had no reason to

spicy.lemonade: Qwen might’ve performed worse than meta

himekokatagiri: There's kling

himekokatagiri: for video


hikukomoru: Is the new DeepSeek the one u use the most?

.wolfnacht: nope it's still quite schizo but maybe with the right preset and temps it can work, i never really used V3...since it was the worst when the older one came out.

wellmeaningalien: y do people make so many of these glass animals?

ailoveyoom: <@505313122802728972> In all your gooning do you have any iconic lines that you remember?

st.sioux: looking for material?

wellmeaningalien: the prompt was in japanese btw

wellmeaningalien: <@505313122802728972> this is for u

wellmeaningalien: im pinging komoru now <@430269783112548362> youve been replaced as the server gooner

ailoveyoom: No I already have plenty 😎

hey1_1hey: Where can I start learning spanish

_3sphere: Coronation of our new goon king

wellmeaningalien: duolingo idfk

hey1_1hey: I was joking but thank you anyway <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

hikukomoru: Wtf is this

wellmeaningalien: anytime man

wellmeaningalien: its just as u can see

hey1_1hey: Women

hey1_1hey: Ik

hey1_1hey: scary

wellmeaningalien: fxtwitter?

wellmeaningalien: https://fxtwitter.com/thaakeno/status/1904648239548412175#m

wellmeaningalien: man thats fucking cool tho

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/queen-royalty-princess-cat-kitten-gif-2893837792238892068

wellmeaningalien: gemini 2.5 pro might be even more goateder than 3.7 sonnet

wellmeaningalien: its INSANE on coding tasks

.histic: dear god... Ghibli verison.

.wolfnacht: a piece from my virtual catgirl wife who's sole purpose is to ground me in reality thanks to my schizoed rants time to time, i was using 12-19 from openrouter...yesterday.

bob082957: Fx you right

zonchao: sundar needs to rt this

wellmeaningalien: @sundar

maintcrew:

hikukomoru: Looks too young 😧

zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436> <:LOL:1187460826572005436> <:LOL:1187460826572005436> <:LOL:1187460826572005436> <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

wellmeaningalien: WHAT THE FUCK SAM ALTMAN CHOOSING VIOLENCE

wellmeaningalien: man i think elon woke sam altman up and now hes cocky as fuck

ailoveyoom: Sassy twink era 💅

zonchao: yes

maintcrew: if you come for the king, you best not miss

.histic:

ailoveyoom: What front end?


benata: looks good on CV

spicy.lemonade: yeh

spicy.lemonade: cause they can tbh

spicy.lemonade: openai is too linient

fractalcomputer: I don't know, I've never heard of someone from the number theory division of the University of Bonn going to work for OpenAI.

spicy.lemonade: did you know openAI gives infinite paid leave

theaiguy69420_89814: what

darkstar0818: the swe results are decent for a non-thinking model, but that is the one domain where people dont generally care about cost so...

spicy.lemonade: yup

spicy.lemonade: the recruiter told me that

spicy.lemonade: they get infinite paid leave

theaiguy69420_89814: the world is so insanely inequal rn lo

hikukomoru: Did you ask the recruiter when they will have AGI

theaiguy69420_89814: go to berk, instant 500k job with infinite sick days

anathemaofmankind: Always has been

theaiguy69420_89814: literally crazy

theaiguy69420_89814: its way worse now for sure

benata: google pays 2 years salary up front for the AI researchers

spicy.lemonade: no

anathemaofmankind: Lmao no

zonchao: other labs probably match

theaiguy69420_89814: look at gini coefficients

spicy.lemonade: christ

st.sioux: elaborate

spicy.lemonade: paid to do nothing

zonchao: I DID NOT WORK ON LLAMA 4

zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

theaiguy69420_89814: so your sign on bonus is what, a million dollars?

theaiguy69420_89814: might as well skip the nba

benata: we would have a better LLM if the OpenAI drama didn't happen 2 years ago.

benata: "hurr we have to be more secure"

zonchao: thiel warned sama, but sama didnt listen

futurist_wizard: I did work on llama 4

trent_k:

spicy.lemonade: imagine ilya was still at openAI(and he wasnt a safetycel)

anathemaofmankind: I am researching to see if my immediate reactionary claim was right

zonchao: sama deserved it

spicy.lemonade: wed have agi by now

futurist_wizard:

st.sioux: so thats why they were kinda shit


hey1_1hey: Agreed, they are hot

memlaswaif: u know who else is hot

hey1_1hey: If I didn't have 100" shoulders I'd be a grand femboy

zoermena: I’ll dedicate this year to substantially improve my health and looks

hey1_1hey: Vladamir putin?

hey1_1hey: I mean what

hey1_1hey: who

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/me-hanamaru-kindergarten-anime-hiiragi-blue-eyes-gif-17172139

hikukomoru: Me

hey1_1hey: We all have are prefrences as they say

_cloudost:

zoermena:

zoermena: It gave you Walter’s fit!

.wolfnacht: it already did.

_cloudost:

.wolfnacht: monitor suicide rates

hikukomoru: You think you're so clever

hey1_1hey: Theres going to be a 10x increase in the entertainment industry

hey1_1hey: I can feel it

hey1_1hey: No, not even slightly

hikukomoru: Changed his/her/it/their gender

hey1_1hey: I can't tell weather to be insulted or flatered

hikukomoru: This is not 4o right

.wolfnacht: can it create something like this with your character ?

hey1_1hey: Yeah almost certaintly

.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-funny-anime-computer-kawaii-gif-15735770

.wolfnacht: DO IT

hikukomoru: You don't have native image gen?

.wolfnacht:

hikukomoru: You can just make another account

futurist_wizard: are you also a lesbian

.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/biden-debate-president-presidential-debate-wtf-gif-4127151492472228747

.wolfnacht: AYOO! my dumb mind didn't thought dat

hey1_1hey: All the women in here are lesbians I am pretty sure

_cloudost: It is

hey1_1hey: Theres trans people, gay people, femboys and a mis match of everything else

hey1_1hey: Then theres straight people in the 1%

futurist_wizard: femboys are still boys, theres some false lesbos in here

.wolfnacht: "artists" and "programmers" gone, what's the next ?

hey1_1hey: What about femboys who use she/her <:suseye:1187461162024046703>


hey1_1hey: Everyone here recently

.wolfnacht: <@471334973379706900>  can u make me a gen of this but in ghibli ? if it nails it then it's gonna be my new pfp

777agical: Can anyone actually report if Gemini now has the best coding model?

aero447: Real.

joaoluz19: Bro I am having so much fun with image gen is crazy

hey1_1hey: Image gen > 4.5

joaoluz19: Hell yes

hikukomoru: <@312370916820779040> Hey 🫦 🫦

hey1_1hey: A san ping is coming I can feel it

futurist_wizard: Creeper looks very shy

ldj: They're misframing things, OpenAI is the one that pulled out in order to create stargate themselves. Also it's fairly routine for companies to cancel underperforming construction projects or datacenters falling behind schedule, in order to reallocate money towards projects that can be built faster.

Microsoft is still putting $80B extra in datacenters, that hasn't changed, they're just moving money from less optimal sites to more optimal sites, and will be likely more focused towards inference compute now since OpenAI is handling a lot of the training infrastructure themselves now.

hey1_1hey: This creeper looks like its made out of half slabs bruh

ailoveyoom: Am I the only one who thinks creepers are actually kinda cute

ailoveyoom: They remind me of my dog for some reason 💀

futurist_wizard: Pixar dva

joaoluz19: I got you bro

futurist_wizard: It captures certain aesthetics very well

trent_k: <a:CE_aRage:738098694389366845>

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

ldj: Clickbait on twitter as usual <a:Classic:1170538418544062586>
If they actually read the article they would see that it even says Microsoft is still on track to spend the same amount of money on AI infrastructure as before.

hey1_1hey: When I saw those images I got giddy, then I saw the response and I died a little

playstation.6: https://tenor.com/view/alex-jones-infowars-chew-jew-jewish-gif-12295419607760287413

trent_k: gonna try getting it to do altman

trent_k: 🤔

trent_k: i dont know if this res is supported.

joaoluz19: LMAO

trent_k: it did not work

.histic:

wellmeaningalien: do it on sora website

trent_k: it doesnt output in the right shapes anyway

trent_k: 🤷♂

wellmeaningalien: sad

.histic: do you've access to 4o's img gen?

wellmeaningalien: lemme see

wellmeaningalien: nope

.histic: you have plus?

777agical: https://x.com/lmarena_ai/status/1905340075225043057

hey1_1hey: I was just watching some of mike istratels and he has really renewed my optimistic mind. I thought I was optimistic but he is REALLY optimistic. He said something that really resonated with me, "if I told you in you in 2021 that in 3 years (2024) AI would be passing the turing test convincgily what would you have told me. You would've probably told me I was fucking crazy but yet here we are and its just normal"

hey1_1hey: Tf are they doing in the back? Feeding it straight computarian or smth

.histic:


gamerbath: I gotta try that. I know it won't find my address but i'm curious if it can get the country right

a1c4p0ne: try it

a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/DimitrisPapail/status/1917764048587755790

bob082957: https://www.youtube.com/live/EX-iHP4VAHM?si=PrIhvaBaDzwCWZtt

bob082957: Live

alejandrozarzuelo: Gotta try this

theaiguy69420_89814: Scale AI building data for automated environment building now

vancebeliever: My childhood dream of an ai Arms race is becoming a reality ❤

alejandrozarzuelo: why are americans so obsessed in making everything a race?

I say this mostly from the space race, china is just ignoring the US meanwhile the US be like "this is a new space race"

is it a race if only one competitor sees it as such?

aero447: https://youtu.be/3A-gqHJ1ENI

aero447: Acceleration Alejandro.

aero447: Fast.

aero447: Race.

alejandrozarzuelo: you can accelerate without consideting it a race

aero447: The American mind is a very simple thing.

alejandrozarzuelo: competition is not the only motivation for improvement

aero447: They havean incontinent gameshow host as President.

trojan09205: Today will be a good day

aero447: You are being retarded.

aero447: Not you Trojan.

aero447: I hope your day is good.

alejandrozarzuelo: idk how talking about cultural differences is being retarded

trojan09205: Thank you bro!!! ❤

alejandrozarzuelo: today is workers day, no work today

aero447: You are not understanding why Americans do X or Y when the answer is:

trojan09205: Im an american haha. But both of my parents are immigrants

alejandrozarzuelo: inmigrants from israel?

trojan09205: My mom is from Israel and my dad is from Cuba

trojan09205: They both live in Israel now though

trojan09205: Yo <@688807313015963693> i like your new avatar

aero447: Alejandro is a furry.

aero447: You can tell because his profile imagines him having two wolves inside him.

aero447: 💀

trojan09205: Irl wolf eating a pig

saket9283: hi, does anyone has a proper guide for prompting gemini 2.5pro deep research. Like how to frame the question ?

_creature: Different framings are useful for different tasks/goals

_creature: What task/goal or type of question are you interested in?

saket9283: I am interested in learning about meditation and its benefits

trojan09205: It might be off topic-ish but you could try loading your sources into NotebookLM and try different prompts. That platform is really good for research

saket9283: Also how smoking affects our brain etc


spicy.lemonade: dude

spicy.lemonade: any game

spicy.lemonade: with enough rules

spicy.lemonade: will be impossible

spicy.lemonade: basic combinatronics

spicy.lemonade: more rules more combinations

spicy.lemonade: if theres a optimal path you can easily derive it

spicy.lemonade: with maths

brain4brain: Hmm, maybe you’re right

brain4brain: With a few seconds of thinking time, and the right inspiration, I did come up with some on the spot

spicy.lemonade: demis go example was just a bad example

brain4brain: The Go example by Demis seems to be able to be beaten by LLM

brain4brain: Yes

spicy.lemonade: should be asking if it could come upw with calculus or general relativity with no prior knowledge

brain4brain: This have two implications:
1. LLM is indeed the architecture for AGI
2. Demis hits his head after MuZero and lost the Mandate of Heaven ever since failing to lead on OpenAI level

brain4brain: That’s what he also asked

brain4brain: But based on past research it can

brain4brain: With no knowledge or nothing, reinforcement learning will probably guide it

brain4brain: And once it’s on language level again Google co-scientist prove it can invent hypothesis

spicy.lemonade: llms will prob be the base architecture

spicy.lemonade: with other stuff added on and changed

brain4brain: The lacking factor is motivation, it can’t be scaled up without making it too explicit

spicy.lemonade: maybe the llm part is switched to c0ncepts

spicy.lemonade: etc etc

brain4brain: Reasoning LLM, most of the other stuff added likely be melted into architecture as a MoE section itself

brain4brain: LCM?

brain4brain: Maybe LCM plans then LLM generates?

brain4brain: Like how they guide video model to under physic with that meta paper

spicy.lemonade: this should be easy to test now that we have llms
1. start training new baby architecture/model
2. make the teacher llm only teach it about math and physics pre newton
3. wait and see if it can develop calculus

spicy.lemonade: repeat for physics pre einstine

spicy.lemonade: now that we have llms i think its feasable to test this at scale

spicy.lemonade: yes

spicy.lemonade: just a bunch of things added together

spicy.lemonade: it would look very different from the llms we have today

brain4brain: I think with enough size + inference-time compute then definitely

spicy.lemonade: some might call it a different architecture

brain4brain: That would be very good at mid level and high level planning, something current LLM is not so good at, will massively boost mid level planing

spicy.lemonade: also arent humans next token predictors

spicy.lemonade: fundementaly lol

spicy.lemonade: its not like we exist in the past present and future


hey1_1hey: Thats me if I dont get more than 6 hours

maintcrew: u need to find a normie you can be on the same freq with

maintcrew: like id probably dont mind if u sperg tf out to me maybe think its annoying sometimes but still be ur dawg

wellmeaningalien: theres one friend who's cool and like pretty normie but im too retarded to talk to him usually but sometimes we hit it off

hey1_1hey: Theres one person in one of my friend groups is entire thing is that they are an artist and hate AI

futurist_wizard: Online friends aren't real 😔

hey1_1hey: Litterly their entire personality

wellmeaningalien: wise teachings

hikukomoru: <@1272646380233560067> are you the normie grounding us 🥺

hey1_1hey: Danserk-san ground me 🙏

st.sioux: danserk has a pepe profile picture i dont think he's a normie

wellmeaningalien: none of my friends are anti AI tho some of my old friends i know would probably be against it

maintcrew: grooming you to be normal

zoermena: The best thing I've learned recently in one of my ADHD adventures are Google shortcuts. Extremely useful.

maintcrew: bruh pepe is omega popular now

maintcrew: its not a 4chan thing anymore

wellmeaningalien: bro groom me edp chan

.wolfnacht: is there anything such as "real friends" ?

realelonmuskx: because monkey brain + entropy

hey1_1hey: Free conversion theapry

wellmeaningalien: ur sperging out right now

futurist_wizard: Honestly taking adhd meds i think basically cured any rest of the autistic traits i had left

.wolfnacht: the most people i was able to connect with better were "online"

wellmeaningalien: i heard autistic people get way more autistic on adhd meds

maintcrew: if yall misbehave u get the silent treatment for 1 hour to deal with your fucked up brain

hikukomoru: Ty 👍

hey1_1hey: The voices in my head say they are my real friends
(I dont have voices in my head)

zoermena: When I first took meds I studied for the first time in my life, shame that they don't work as effectively now and I've messed up the treatment but I can always up the dose (I'm at the lowest)

futurist_wizard: Not me i suppose

wellmeaningalien: i definitely do have an attention span problem and IM STILL WAITING FOR MY RETARDED ASS FUCKING PSYCHIATRIST TO GIVE ME MEDS!!!!

maintcrew: yes and if u think otherwise its a problem with you

theres give and take in situations like these

oooooooooog: you do realize that the cell line we come from has existed billions of years right? entropy is a non issue here (until the sun burns earth)

wellmeaningalien: GOD I FUCKING HATE PUBLIC HEALTHCARE

maintcrew: bro... adderal shortage rn

hey1_1hey: If I was on medication I would litterly have 160iq

futurist_wizard: Yeaj same i could barely concentrate for longer than 5 minutes without meds

maintcrew: europoor how is that awesome healthcare huh how much u get taxed for it

a1c4p0ne: <@439829942310666250>

hikukomoru: Zamn you're not on meds no wonder

wellmeaningalien: nah adderall is illegal here and my psych put me on ritalin but it doesnt work and makes me angry like a bull. im waiting to try non stimulants but here in france its difficult to get them and they'll put u thru ever stimulant ever before giving u vyvanse or strattera


gamerbath: btw 4o-mini, 4.1 mini and 4.1 nano are free to use

zonchao: oh noes we cannot accelerate, we have people starving in africa 🥺

futurist_wizard: Not that her point is anything but those suborbital space flights are so gimmicky

gamerbath: oh my gosh it's happening!!

futurist_wizard: Its me

zonchao: yes but hate is insane

zonchao: 💀

zonchao: more people yapped about it than watched the stream this morning

trey6033: She knows it's just faux women empowerment

zonchao: it was boring af but that is the future of space flight, it will be routine

gamerbath: noooo 😭

futurist_wizard: Your site is slow af

zonchao: it's not about empowerment, her arguments are different

futurist_wizard: Feels like 5 fps

gamerbath: what part is slow?

futurist_wizard: Like i get massive lag

futurist_wizard: When typing

gamerbath: oh yea I get a little lag there sometimes. just upgrade your GPU

futurist_wizard: Optimizations are needed

futurist_wizard: Im on my phone

futurist_wizard: Your site needs dlss

zonchao: like it was pretty cringe for them to market it as female astronauts doing something big for women, they are glorified passengers that screamed like kids on a rollercoaster and that's OK, why can't people just look at something and go okay cool

futurist_wizard: How many Indonesian kids died in the sweat shop making her make up

zonchao: i wish my bf was the 2nd richest man in the world 🥺

trey6033: Who will be the first woman celeb on the moon?

gamerbath: <@1004153620025065482> on my low-end android phone it was slow at first, but then now it's not slow anymore after like 20 seconds

zonchao: too bad he is the first<:ez:1136267305521774634>

zonchao: <:troel:1041426256400502874>

gamerbath: about 0.3

zonchao: no clue

zonchao: moon celeb launches are like decades away

zonchao: at least 15 years

frittata: Lunar colony when

otub: after agi at this point

otub: artemis zzz

.histic: it feels like the rate limits on aistudio for 2.5 pro got worse

.histic: this guy is ngmi
it will be used for all of these.
https://x.com/Jiankui_He/status/1911957279152455713

.wolfnacht: where ? 👀  don't say LMarena 😭

.histic: Windsurf, Cursor and... lmsys <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
maybe other platforms too.

st.sioux: just pay $10 to use it on the developer platform bro lol


professorheaven: Yea but 2.5 pro came out after V3 March 24 so it should be placed after that

darkstar0818: Now creating new artistic styles, that is something else entirely.

professorheaven: It’s not just ghibili, it’s capabilities go far deeper than that

darkstar0818: I understand that.

ldj: But we're doing alternating "OpenAI is so over" and "OpenAI is so back"
The first time it was "over" after O3 announcement was Deepseek V3/R1 announcement.
I can't add Gemini 2.5 Pro here since that would be a doubling of "OpenAI is so over" which doesn't fit

ldj: <a:peepoTalk:1151260461157842944>

ldj: The only thing that should be written in the timeline after the Deepseek announcement is a "OpenAI is so back" moment

ldj: To keep it in the alternating style

professorheaven: I think it’s very appropriate to add because the whole “openAI is so over” rhetoric has been pretty strong since 2.5 pro’s release. I think it would be better if you replaced DeepSeek V3 with DeepSeek v3 March 24 version, and then R1 with 2.5 pro

metaldragon01: https://ai.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/AIoa2400802

metaldragon01: Ai therapy looks like it's going to be a real thing

drewsni: Yeah. Every non coomer anime picture on civit for a long time has just been ghibli, or genshin lol

spicy.lemonade: lol

trent_k: doing my taxes rn and looking at my deductable expenses

trent_k: i spent $3325.29 on the openai api in 2024

trent_k: 🤯

trent_k: 1 gorillion tokens

.wolfnacht: We all got fooled again

fractalcomputer: I enjoy horror media.

fractalcomputer: Seeing as my profile picture happens to be one of the more prolific American horror authors of the last century or so.

apology0759: Lovecraft!

apology0759: I love his works too!

fractalcomputer: Good.

apology0759: Can I dm you?

fractalcomputer: Why?

apology0759: Because I want to talk more about horror literature?

fractalcomputer: I mean, you can do that here.

apology0759: But I actually……

fractalcomputer: We discuss anything ranging from theology to philology here, mostly on my prompting.

apology0759: Okay.

fractalcomputer: But yes, you can message me in private if that is what you wish, but I don't really get why we'd need to discuss horror literature so.

apology0759: I read The Call of Cthulhu when I was a kid.

fractalcomputer: Did you like it?

apology0759: Yeah, I love it.

apology0759: Since then, I have started dreaming about becoming a horror creator.

fractalcomputer: Great. My father made me read, among other things, Stoker's Dracula and Shelley's Frankenstein and Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde when I was but a wee young'un.

apology0759: I love those books, too!

fractalcomputer: Why?

apology0759: Because I can not stop myself from fantasising about horribleness?

apology0759: If I become a horror creator, I can do what I am best at.


jonvi_1:

hey1_1hey: I thought it would be like "Someone who is sexually attracted to hedges"

alejandrozarzuelo: DEGENERACY THAT'S WHAT IT IS

drewsni: is there a specific prompt to make the yugiyo or pokemon cards

technocake.: your brain is lying to you

hey1_1hey: Sadly not to sure

hikukomoru: I never watched Dragons Balls

maintcrew: hell nahhh they are developing polycules now

every schizo field is converging upon and walking the same path as effective altruism

jonvi_1: about what?! 😟

hey1_1hey: Your brain isn't lying to you, you are lying to yourself  (Im 14 and this is deep)

jonvi_1: is it not me

alejandrozarzuelo: I'm bi so I can't say

hey1_1hey: I've only watched half of it to be fair (the balls)

technocake.: the voice is a demon and it will lead you astray

jonvi_1: I was trying to see if it would go existentialist on me but the result was user centric

hikukomoru: Damn Alejandro I didn't know you were a reactionary
I thought you were chill

literallyvarane: So... is 2.5 just the COT of 2.0 Pro? Because 2.0 Pro no longer exist in AIStudio

maintcrew: iirc they said its a new refreshed model in the blog

hey1_1hey: I wonder what Zon will think with all this talk about OAI image gen

jonvi_1: Anyone without access got a prompt they want me to run? Idk how widespread rollout is yet

futurist_wizard: I am polyamorous

alejandrozarzuelo: Nah I am chill it was just joking

I want a hive mind remember? That's basically an Omni-polycule

hikukomoru: I don't feel anything when I see straights kissing

futurist_wizard: I've been in a few multi partner relationships

maintcrew: me when i talk to claude and deepseek r1 at the same time

hey1_1hey: I would be in a relationship with a sentient mushroom

zoermena: Are they straight when they kiss

hey1_1hey: 2 men?

technocake.: is it not mad complicated?

zoermena: I've only seen it in movies though, usually women in alcoholic parties

hey1_1hey: Kissing?

hey1_1hey: Women alcoholic parties?

hey1_1hey: Did Imiss msth

zoermena: Well no nvm I have seen 2 straight men irl kissing because they where drunk some friends but I didn't care

hikukomoru: What

zoermena: Have you seen the meme of how women aren't judged when they kiss eachother but men are

hey1_1hey: Theres one guy I know who whenever he gets drunk he tries to make out with any guy who will

futurist_wizard: The people that are willing to be polyamorous are already deranged but as long as everything is attracted to eachother it rarely causes drama

hey1_1hey: Hes straight

hey1_1hey: Yeaj I think sop


okbut: Ever since 2.5 Pro, there's little convincing me to pay for a SOTA

destrucules: Imo it is a superintelligence. Not by a lot, and only in the sense of *intelligence*, but it's smarter than all humans, or at least smarter than >99.9...9% with many 9s in that percentile. That doesn't mean it's "AGI" in the sense that that term is used today, as it doesn't have the interface features necessary for that, and struggles with certain economically valuable tasks, but I am rather confident no human I will ever meet is smarter than this model, in terms of broad, general intelligence.

a1c4p0ne: Is it smarter than your teacher or professor

destrucules: It is smarter than everyone alive

darkstar0818: For most things I would agree. Humans are still better at abstract reasoning and synthesizing loosely connected concepts.

darkstar0818: well some humans are

okbut: My biochemistry professor still thought malic acid was responsible for the aches you feel in your muscles after strenous exercise

okbut: A myth debunked in 1995

a1c4p0ne: Would you trust it to help you escape jigsaws traps?

a1c4p0ne: What does 2.5 pro say

destrucules: Idk how much I agree with that. I think humans can leverage very long time horizons for self reflection that enable them to punch above what Gemini 2.5 Pro produces in a much shorter amount of time. But if you treat 10 tokens as being about one second of human equivalent subjective time, and you give humans 1000 seconds (corresponding to 10k tokens of reasoning effort, and amounting to about 17 minutes), I think Gemini 2.5 Pro still wins

okbut: Even 2.0 Flash knows

destrucules: If Jigsaw puts me in a trap and gives me access to Gemini 2.5 Pro while I'm in the trap, I'm gonna assume he's trying to teach me a life lesson about the relationship between humans and AIs, so... I think my behavior would come down to my best guess as to whether Jigsaw is a Luddite or an Accelerationist.

darkstar0818: I have investigated this quite a bit.  Once your prompts become very complex, say 10,000 tokens of interconnected structures its fairly easy to ask it specific questions about possible strategies and for it to overlook possibilties that exceed a certain level of complexity.  You can of course get them to bubble up these abstractions by giving enough hints.  This is why I think some of the claims people make about this generation models are too extreme, its easy to forget how much of what these AIs produce depends on  humans already narrowing the search space with their natural abstractions and how our abstractions are exactly what these models were trained on.

darkstar0818: There is a very real corrolation between the intelligence  model outputs with the intelligence the human inputs.

okbut: NLP reopening the turmoil revolving around Gettier problems

okbut: I summon <@749514473303179358>

destrucules: I have noticed this too. I think it is broadly a length generalization issue, like how models can be super accurate at short time horizon tasks and then falter for longer time horizons, even when the problems are much easier and clearly within the cognitive horizons of the model. I imagine, but don't know for sure, that this feels a lot like mental fatigue for the models. Like... You know when you're working on a coding project, and there's a certain point at which it gets so complicated that you can no longer hold the whole graph in your mind? I think that threshold is a lot lower for virtually all LLMs today than it is for most humans.

destrucules: And I think a big part of this is that our own attention mechanism in our own brains are better refined, because of the flexible hierarchical time horizons we experience in our own lives, to chunk information in complicated systems so that everything fits in working memory. Models don't encounter long time horizons very often or even at all for very long horizons, so they haven't built up these same skills. They've learned great attention patterns for the time horizons they deal with, but then when things push into OOD territory, they start to degrade quickly. Imo humans would do this too if it weren't for the fact that we learn continually in an environment where agency over arbitrarily long time horizons is useful and plausible. For an LLM, there just isn't a lot that the environment allows them to do on super long time horizons

okbut: I've heard it before and I'm willing to believe it: "CoT is a patch for the limitations of what we'll eventually consider crudely built transformers."
We're far from seeing optimal NLP, and a properly tuned LLM will have minimal, maybe detrimental returns from CoT

okbut: Efficiency is also far from what AGI will require. For example, the human brain uses ~0.3 kWh per day

darkstar0818: I dont think that is the case.  Humans perform CoT, but they also intgegrate that CoT into their subconscious, so when faced with similar situations CoT is either not needed or reduced to the difference between the previous event and this one.

okbut: IMO it's long-overdue that the space discerns CoT from step-wise task handling

darkstar0818: Human internal reasoning isn't some kind of step wise system, its abstract and loose.

sieventer: Yeah, we don't even know how our thoughts works xD

darkstar0818: speak for yourself 🙂

sieventer: What's going on in my ultra-complex neuron architecture in order I'm writting this? Where does this words come from?

darkstar0818: You don't need to be able to decode the way neurons bit flip to reflect on how your internally reasoning works.

darkstar0818: Just as you dont need to understand an LLMs weights to understand how it reasons.

okbut: Exactly, just like the NLP should be
The step-wise task handling is different from that, but it's something both humans and models will benefit from

sieventer: It would be very interesting anyway to know the full process, right?

okbut: Verification isn't behind the scenes

okbut: But I hate that it's still considered such in most CoT

darkstar0818: We know exactly how matrix multiply works, how the transformer works, we know what all the weights are... and yet our best xray tools into models tell us no more than our brain scan tools do.

ldj: If you ever hear a price talked about in terms of dollars per month instead of dollars per token, then that's a clear sign that the price doesn't have to do with the model really, and simply has to do with getting a certain amount of high usage rates. most probably an enterprise plan or something if the numbers are even part of reality at all.
If it was actual pricing for a model, then it would've said cost per thousand tokens or cost per million tokens etc..

darkstar0818: Its very possible that 'how intelligence works' is of similar complexity to 'how physcis works'.  We of course can create abstractions which hold true for both within fairly narrow domains, but that is very different from being able to go from bit flips to brains/models.

okbut: This is just my speculation, but I think we could find "PhD-level" performance within less than 100B parameters + highly improved RAG + tools

okbut: I wonder what EleutherAI is cooking

spicy.lemonade: Nah we aren’t at PhD yet

brain4brain: You fool, o4-mini is free and unlimited for free user, o3 is unlimited for plus user

This is clearly not the 20,000$ plan, it have to be something like Deep Research but better, 20 times better


zoermena:

.histic: remove ChatGPT's memory.

.histic: and disable it.

zoermena: I'm using Sora

.histic: wait, what prompt?

zoermena: A detailed image of 9 frames of a rabbit cyclist in a cinematic style, he's red helmet with yellow spikes and he is riding in the alps, he moves a little more in each frame. in Digital Art Oil Painting Style.

.histic: oh, cloudo's prompt was, "Create 9 frames in one image of a looping cyclist animation"

zoermena: Yes, not specific, bad prompting leads to bad images.

trent_k:

trent_k: Lmao

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: deepmind world model performs better

spicy.lemonade: than specialized

spicy.lemonade:

okbut: Another Grok banger

okbut: Damn it's still going

.wolfnacht: leave grok, it's dumb as shit since last week.

spicy.lemonade: using grok in april 2025💔

maintcrew: the concise mode is best in class

maintcrew: claudes concise mode just doesnt hit it

maintcrew: chatgpt is slopinator even with a prompt

okbut: I still use its DeepSearch because its base response format is tight

okbut: ChatGPT tried to rip off their "Fun fact" closure

.wolfnacht: i actually go to grok bcz i love the unhinged ideas, it used to give...but it's dumbed down rn.

wolf3404: Grok is pretty good

wellmeaningalien: havent seen an LLM do that since like gpt 3 and liquid ai

spicy.lemonade: isnt it crazy that the first place we are all likeley to be once agi drops is in this channel

okbut: <a:hack:1126224614134136832>

trent_k:

trent_k: I'm calling the cops

okbut: https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-meme-wait-a-minute-gif-14484132

brain4brain: Holy shit.

brain4brain: This is crazy

burnytech: https://fxtwitter.com/snwy_me/status/1907554410089295979?t=LuVY9Ko82Jl9YSrtUABb7Q&s=19

burnytech:

metaldragon01: Yeeeaaappp

metaldragon01: Google may be the only hope

spicy.lemonade: wtf

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: The deepmind world model


wellmeaningalien: in my house we have a pink/maroon box and my mother always insists its brown

wellmeaningalien: ok nerdjandro

wellmeaningalien: <:nerdbob:1282544269995020329> <:nerdass:998417173406040064>

a1c4p0ne: Analyze*

hikukomoru:

frittata: I was being generous, it’s maroon or magenta

frittata: Probs magenta tbh

alejandrozarzuelo: Let's take red as a reference

Is it bluer than pure red or greener?

It's bluer

Is it redder than magenta? Or bluer? It's redder

So we know it's between magenta and red

Is it redder than Rose? About the same? Or magentisher?

It's about the same or a bit redder

Is it saturated? What is the value?

It's saturated enough not to be a Gray, and it's value is low

If you think the value is low enough, then it's low value between magenta and red aka wine coloured

If you think it's not that low, you can call it either rose or crimson

alejandrozarzuelo: SEE

alejandrozarzuelo: It wasn't that hard was it?

frittata: I will allow wine also

alejandrozarzuelo: Wine or burgundy

alejandrozarzuelo: The same thing

alejandrozarzuelo: Both are valid names if you think the value is low enough

wellmeaningalien: one ts

two ts

blue ts

red ts

fool me once, shame on ts

fool me twice..

pmo...

hikukomoru: Can you tldr what you just wrote

frittata: Burgundy to me has more brown in it

alejandrozarzuelo: Yes

st.sioux: its pantone 1815 c you degenerate swine

st.sioux: burgundy

st.sioux: my ass

alejandrozarzuelo: I taught you guys how to identify a color

alejandrozarzuelo: It's wine or rose

alejandrozarzuelo: Not pink

frittata: Not enough purple, pleb

alejandrozarzuelo: Let's not mistake it

wellmeaningalien: lets just let the computers decide

frittata: It’s not rose, rose is lighter

hikukomoru: Yeah it's purplish

technocake.: you can also use RGB if you feel like it

technocake.: listen here, you're purplish

alejandrozarzuelo: On my dark mode, it looks quite light, color is subjective

BUT IT IS RELATIVE to other colors

frittata: Periwinkle

alejandrozarzuelo: Remember kids

hikukomoru: I'm periwinkle

alejandrozarzuelo: Color needs to be identified in relation to others

st.sioux: #93295e

technocake.: https://tenor.com/view/snatch-periwinkle-blue-shes-terrible-partial-teasing-gif-17264358

alejandrozarzuelo: You just need to go in order of priority

hikukomoru: You're purple


frittata: Still commonly taught in art class across the US and I imagine throughout much of the world

frittata: As it nicely explains paint mixing

alejandrozarzuelo: This is one of the greatest tragedies in the world

OK no but it is a tragedy that we use disproven 19th century theories to teach our kids

alejandrozarzuelo: BTW, I am using the very very simplified version, if you wanna get into CIELAB madness be welcome

alejandrozarzuelo: It's an amazing world

alejandrozarzuelo: Very complex

alejandrozarzuelo: Also rewarding

alejandrozarzuelo: Paint? Yes, but this is because pigments are very faulty representations of color

And not even that

technocake.: what is this colour?

frittata: Roy G. Biv and I will fight you

alejandrozarzuelo: You are allowed to be wrong

It's not illegal

alejandrozarzuelo: It's ok

alejandrozarzuelo: Black and white? Or very close to them

technocake.: nope it's deep purple aka ultraviolet

alejandrozarzuelo: My bad, my phone can't display it

alejandrozarzuelo: Sorry

technocake.: and this one is S band radio

alejandrozarzuelo: I have a potato phone 😔

hikukomoru: Isn't this glombious?

technocake.: yes dear try not to scare the homonids

hikukomoru: Lmao I can't believe Alejandro doesn't know glombious

alejandrozarzuelo: But on a serious note <@723564215574462474> you are doing yourself a disservice by not getting minimally acquainted with modern color theory

st.sioux: glombious has always been my fafvourite colour

alejandrozarzuelo: No, it's just that my phone can't display it because I'm poor

hikukomoru: That's blargol

technocake.: yup, the color of the microwave background

alejandrozarzuelo: Lovely

technocake.: or the blargaloid as we call it

alejandrozarzuelo: It's hard to believe that the universe used to glow orange

alejandrozarzuelo: In all directions at all times

alejandrozarzuelo: It was also 3000K

alejandrozarzuelo: Not very pleasant

technocake.: ahh the calming orange depths of space

technocake.: oh no why is my skin on fire

alejandrozarzuelo: BTW, there is a very interesting theory about why panspermia should he very common

alejandrozarzuelo: For a few million years, the entire temperature of the universe was between 50-0C

zoermena: I honestly don’t know how you have so much information, I read but I easily forget

alejandrozarzuelo: And the amount of habitable land in the universe was quadrillions of times greater than today

hikukomoru: Autism special interests

technocake.: he saw an anton petrov vid last week dw


ailoveyoom: Did you want it in cartoon or something? Or did you want a realistic cat to do cartoonish movements (as a sort of like, Veo 2 video understanding test) ?

spicy.lemonade: who do you trust more some guy on discord or 3 of the greatest minds in history

literallyvarane: If these models are ultimately aimed at being world/physics simulators for robotics training, there’s not actually much incentive to be good at unrealistic stuff.

.histic: cartoonish realism.
like a cat bogging it down like a human would.

fractalcomputer: The person who happens to provide the most sensible argument.

spicy.lemonade: huh? why cant you get a 100% score on the math olympiad

hikukomoru: So? it's only a fallacy if the person's authority is not relevant to the argument.

st.sioux: No

metaldragon01: Can you reason?

Can you get 100%?

cmtclx: theres also implicit malice like was it necessary even

too bad we cant stop raiding eachother as if we were stuck in the bronze age or rather the stone age just raiding eachother over meaningless trivial feuds based on ideas because humans are just control freaks

fractalcomputer: Why do you think it is not a fallacy?

ailoveyoom: This actually reminds me, I wonder if 4o image can do two distinct artyles in one image.

fractalcomputer: .

ailoveyoom: Like, maybe one subject is cartoon and the others are photorealistic or something.

cmtclx: you could try..

spicy.lemonade: most humans wont even get 1 question correct

cmtclx: actually go ahead and try asking it to perform it

metaldragon01: Doubt

spicy.lemonade: you have knowledge of all of chess

literallyvarane: I think it can by nature of doing background paintings?

spicy.lemonade: can you beat the best chess player?

spicy.lemonade: no

hikukomoru: Because the authorities in question are relevant to the field. It would only be a fallacy if he quoted some random guy unrelated to AI instead.

fractalcomputer: Humans are surprisingly versatile.

metaldragon01: We are

st.sioux: It would not be authority if it was some random guy

fractalcomputer: Now you are only restating your point. That is not an argument for your case.

ailoveyoom: Lazy 😔

.histic: exactly.
even if you had knowledge of billions of chess games that doesn't mean you'll be a great chess player. that's not how it works.
LLMs are the contrary, they don't just retain, they train.

cmtclx: feels ;/

hikukomoru: Because that's the definition of that fallacy so there is no need to expand my point.

spicy.lemonade: i dont get the point. we have 3 nobel prize winners and various labs with the best researchers on earth vs opinion of 1 guy on discord

cmtclx: im lazy too
sometimes id benefit from using AI more but im just too lazy to open the app

cmtclx: or the website or whatever

fractalcomputer: "An argument from authority[a] is a form of argument in which the opinion of an authority figure (or figures) is used as evidence to support an argument.[1]"

spicy.lemonade: this isnt an appeal to authority fallacy

spicy.lemonade: its common sense

hikukomoru: > The argument from authority (Latin: argumentum ad verecundiam) also appeal to authority, is a common argument form which can be fallacious, such as when an authority is cited on a topic outside their area of expertise or when the authority cited is not a true expert.

fractalcomputer: Common sense typically does not embody the heights of normative logic.

literallyvarane: So… you can’t reason?


.histic: i'm surprised there's still no grok api

.histic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt-7YiNBvLE

a1c4p0ne: It’s part of their plan

a1c4p0ne: It’s been how long now lol

zonchao: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

zonchao: they better cook the best shit ever or its over

wellmeaningalien: Fat huge ass supermarkets where they sell every fucking fucking thing

wellmeaningalien: <:hai:1282544198301515848>

technocake.: I subbed to /r/singularity in 2012

technocake.: what does this mean?

joaoluz19: I can't stand these calculus, the others seemed so smooth

technocake.: you hate PDEs?

joaoluz19: And Laplace

joaoluz19: Like what fuck is this

joaoluz19: This is the answer of a question

technocake.: fuck solving them analytically

technocake.: numerically is where its at

st.sioux: i hate these

st.sioux: they aren't even that hard just elaborate

st.sioux: tedious

joaoluz19: Yep, horrendous

technocake.: numerically they are a piece of piss

technocake.: and super useful for modeling

QuickVids#1960: https://quickvids.app/CqBQdTDb

st.sioux: lmao

3ds0662: This was soo creative

3ds0662: Ai video has come a long way

QuickVids#1960: https://quickvids.app/f-Za6o_K

QuickVids#1960: https://quickvids.app/SLfhXZe3

3ds0662: Last one lol 😂 newton vs Albert

clevermoniker: https://x.com/UnslothAI/status/1904717086041268676

3ds0662: Same but if we don’t achieve the singularity

bob082957:

st.sioux: what is this

apology0759: Anyone who likes horrors?

technocake.: https://www.reddit.com/r/whenthe/comments/1jlydq6/horrible_slop/

technocake.: much seething

_cloudost: https://x.com/_alexhirsch/status/1905345424661381384?s=46&t=dds9ctjIf339PZ-apJ-YyQ Someone whose entire career relies on drawing and animating says AI drawing looks like shit, is he possibly in denial because he can't accept the fact that his career will be worth a penny in the next few years?

st.sioux: why are there so many "die" or "kill ai artists" comments wtf

_cloudost: they need to be out on a watchlist


fractalcomputer: Yes, of course I know what paper you're talking about. I'm saying that I do not understand your excitement over this single picture given its dubious quality.

drewsni: this is done with just the image model, no instruction. If we got 4o separately  to generate the text parts of it, im sure it would be much better with the actual content accuracy

spicy.lemonade: its perfect

spicy.lemonade: literally word for word

oooooooooog: nah the image is pretty bad lol

fractalcomputer: Do you speak English natively?

fractalcomputer: Here's to hope so.

spicy.lemonade: how so

oooooooooog: two sentinces got cut off

fractalcomputer: Sentences.

oooooooooog: sentiences

spicy.lemonade: feel- isnt that important

spicy.lemonade: and the other sentence

drewsni: the model does much better with the actual text content if you give it that extra step, whether its actual information or just how you want to structure memes. Itll get better, but the core is there

spicy.lemonade: can be fixed

spicy.lemonade: its not like we cant iteratively edit

spicy.lemonade: thats the point of native image

spicy.lemonade: its insane

fractalcomputer: I'm not really concerned with the image generation capabilities. I'm more interested in how the information given is processed and relayed.

drewsni: Just wondering. Did you mess with Gemini flash 2’s native image output at all?

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: can someone ask the 4o image generator how to make AGI, please this is important

fractalcomputer: I don't really see the point in perusing the newer capabilities granted they'll just update it in a couple of months' time again.

fractalcomputer: (And no; one cannot accuse me of willingly ignoring the developing capabilities of LLMs since I actively use both GPT and Claude for my own abstract entertainment purposes.) [I pre-emptively anticipate these sorts of arguments.]

drewsni: That’s fair, but Gemini flash native output came out like…2 weeks ago I think? And a lot of us here were doing what we are now, minus the ghibli, and now 2 weeks later it is not only significantly easier, but significantly higher quality, and significantly faster to get a desired output. The rate of process is staggering

spicy.lemonade: ok

spicy.lemonade: thats crazy

spicy.lemonade: 2 weeks

drewsni: Nah it was an actual curiosity because I think me using Gemini flash output for like 5-7 hours over a few nights ago obviously is influencing my opinion

fractalcomputer: I just don't find machine-generated visualisations terribly useful.

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: thats what we are missing

spicy.lemonade: the beaker

drewsni: im less specifically impressed by what it is or the content in this case, rather the consistency of it compared to before

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: try ask for detailed specific text instructions, no illustration needed

spicy.lemonade: kk

fractalcomputer: Why?

spicy.lemonade: asked it to give me a paper

spicy.lemonade: text is fucked tho

spicy.lemonade: too small

spicy.lemonade: the entire intro is nonsense


spicy.lemonade: From Gary marcus

spicy.lemonade: Still

spicy.lemonade: 😭

spicy.lemonade: On new image gen

_cloudost:

_3sphere: Why the sadistic relish in artists getting replaced

wellmeaningalien: cause they annoying as fuck especially the twitter ones

spicy.lemonade: Yes

wellmeaningalien: also making nonsensical claims about the nature of AI as if they know everything and that humans are the supreme beings in the universe

spicy.lemonade: “It still fails at hands hahahahah”

wellmeaningalien: its good to see them get a taste of their own medicine now AI is doing literally everything they say it couldnt lmao

spicy.lemonade: And AI talk itself

spicy.lemonade: Is banned

spicy.lemonade: On art servers

wellmeaningalien: yup

spicy.lemonade: Supreme levels of cope

wellmeaningalien: 😂

wellmeaningalien: soon they wont be abl to tell anyway

spicy.lemonade: “If I can't see it, it doesn't exist”

spicy.lemonade: They can't now

spicy.lemonade: Lol

wellmeaningalien: thats kinda how they see it

wellmeaningalien: they think it'll go away meanwhile it's only getting better and creeping right under their nose 💀

spicy.lemonade: I can post 4o art

wellmeaningalien: i posted like 3 different 4o images in 4 different servers where AI is banned and none of them noticed

alejandrozarzuelo: my sister who is anti AI despite (or maybe because) being a CS major dislikes my pfp

alejandrozarzuelo: because she says she can tell its AI

alejandrozarzuelo: its true that they still look AI

wellmeaningalien: HAHAHA

alejandrozarzuelo: lets not kid ourselves, just because its very good doesnt mean it isnt still different from human art

alejandrozarzuelo: specially if you look closely

futurist_wizard: its too similar to Ghibli

alejandrozarzuelo: we will get there, but for now its still not perfect

futurist_wizard: most people wouldn't be able to clock

alejandrozarzuelo: most wont

alejandrozarzuelo: but we are talking about people with a trained eye who look closely

alejandrozarzuelo: not the average joe

spicy.lemonade: Eh

spicy.lemonade: Doesn't look ai at all

spicy.lemonade: If you asked her 1 month ago


futurist_wizard: if your chest doesn't touch the floor it dont count

spicy.lemonade: ah

hey1_1hey: That's what I do bruh

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/roasted-oh-shookt-gif-8269968

hey1_1hey: I am the biggest anti half repper of all time. If I see someone doing half reps I will tell them

hikukomoru: I am literally in the top 3 funniest people here

hey1_1hey: Do I just have a wing man now

a1c4p0ne: Yessirrskiis

777agical: https://x.com/Kr00ney/status/1906829955776078166

hey1_1hey: And yet you are a bottom

a1c4p0ne: I got work soon tho

777agical: 100M in a month??

hikukomoru: He said he's obsessed with you

futurist_wizard: bullshit, you quarter rep once and then cry

hey1_1hey: Femboy aura

drewsni: bearish on nvda

hey1_1hey: Sorry?

hikukomoru: ????????
Half of the time I don't understand what you are even talking about

futurist_wizard: its pretty rare people can do 25 clean push ups

a1c4p0ne: He said you’re a sub

futurist_wizard: clean,

futurist_wizard: no half reps

hey1_1hey: I am just chatting bollocks. It's way last my bed time so brain is working at 10% prob

hikukomoru: I am a sub
But what does that have to do with being in the top 3 funniest people on this server
Like, completely unrelated stuff

hey1_1hey: You're looking too much into it

hikukomoru: I can do 2 pushups

futurist_wizard: komoru is in the top 3 funniest people in here, and thats shocking because of woman factor

hey1_1hey: Just be like haha sex reference, monkey brain go brr

sarik0497: That’s sad.

hikukomoru: Lesbian bonus adds 25% to the humour attribute

hey1_1hey: Taking my spot at being the most sexist now huh

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/dom-heeseung420-gif-20432310

hikukomoru: Why
I don't even need to lift anything heavy ever

futurist_wizard: think its the autism too

futurist_wizard: bruv you are mid transition

futurist_wizard: you being sexist to you

hey1_1hey: Shhhh

hikukomoru: Self-hating

_3sphere: The only muscles I need high performance from are legs

_3sphere: for my shit time management


zonchao: nice

wellmeaningalien: i mean it all seems correct to me

zonchao: hope sundar yaps about it all day

wellmeaningalien: damn lol

wellmeaningalien: yea idk dont include the gray ones

mtj8920: Yes

mtj8920: That's so subtle though

mtj8920: Or maybe not

frittata: <#1136231504440201216> mtj

frittata: 👀

ailoveyoom: The yapper's Logan ngl <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

.wolfnacht: wtf it crossed 5B tokens in a day!!!

brain4brain: March 31st GPT-5 and o3 in API

mtj8920: https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-grey-vibing-thinking-gif-5109096978556360789

mtj8920: STOAP

sarik0497: I mean, this test is even harder for ordinary people, with only around a 65% score for your average Joe.

What if the new models kick this one out of the part?

shirethedreamer: you need to color the gray shapes black

mtj8920: Yep!

mtj8920: I was temporarily banned for spamming the slop-agi bench in here though, so be careful!

mtj8920: It is not relevant to the singularity therefore off-topic.

shirethedreamer: lmao yeah i just scrolled lower and saw

encapsulation: I found out from a random discord user the other day that AI is completely useless, there isn't a single use for it in the world. It'll never be any better than it is today either, that's what they taught me

They also informed me that anyone who feels differently is just a sucker who's been bamboozled

Anyway I thought it was fascinating that all the world's top experts, my own real life experience, and all the benchmarks showed that everything they were saying was completely false but I guess they've got something figured out nobody else has

ai9708: so far it is a very strong library, look up tool

ai9708: not just that of course, i simplified

ai9708: it can recognize patterns and apply them too

ai9708: as soon as the parameter and perspective count increases, it struggles

watchboy.: Are you guys not scared of being wrong?

Like imagine hoping for something like this and then it’s not certain

If not i would love to hear how you cope because im deadly afraid of dying and LEV is the only thing keeping me sane (thankfully im also fairly young still)

ai9708: you are at the right place, we have developed high level cope mechanisms over here

watchboy.: I mean it makes sense

Beforehand it was religion that let people accept death and their purpose. Nowadays religion is becoming less and less of a thing in most first world countries. If all that awaits us is darkness then why keep going?

ai9708: because you are made to do so

_3sphere: I actually prefer not to think about LEV too much, makes me *more* anxious about dying

ai9708: thinking about death is the biggest waste of time ever

ai9708: why focus on that?

ai9708: there is really no greater purpose in life than to just live

watchboy.: I was also made to breed and have children and i dont want that either.

Going into the philosophical question of what our purpose is, is just unnecessary

We are already doing things we werent meant to

ai9708: you dont need to breed, just live

ai9708: we can fake breeding very easily nowadays

watchboy.: Exactly but that fear of death loams over me nonstop

I cant just turn it off

spacetimetsunami: LEV2035-2040

ai9708: try to reason your way out of it.
does it bring you anything to have that in mind? does this fear actually help you solve problems?


alejandrozarzuelo: True

zoermena: Goat <:o3:1364719182217871410> never fails

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/mutt-clump-skull-gif-25258416

fractalcomputer: I mean, how am I supposed to connect with those people?

precariousworlds.: virgin 4o vs chad o3

hikukomoru: Like idk, i've never had trans men act creepy with me lol

futurist_wizard: It's a shame you go through that

precariousworlds.: only thing keeping me with chatgpt at this point are the chat folders and memory tools

alejandrozarzuelo: As you might imagine I've never been in sapphic spaces

Everyone has a cross to bare I guess

popsiclejohnithan: o5 will be like "Wtf man get out of there."

popsiclejohnithan: Reasoners are superiour confirmed.

zoermena: It even provided safety lines to get help to leave the cult

popsiclejohnithan: Just straight up sends robots and drones to save you.

futurist_wizard: There are a lot of 'trans women' that do invade women's places for perverse reasons, it's a shame because it really poisons the well for the trans people that i know

precariousworlds.: 4o was actually useable a few days ago though
this recent update is so unbelievably bad

zoermena: Now I’ll ask it what I should do in case I end up in a singularity ai cult

fractalcomputer: Do people enjoy sex? I am genuinely curious. The whole thing seems rather grotesque and ill-advised to me.

zonchao: lmao

popsiclejohnithan: You're already in one my friend.

precariousworlds.: ill advised?

.wolfnacht: it's overhyped bro

zoermena: Well the reproductive organs have literal pleasure receptors so I’d guess the answer is yes

_3sphere: Grotesque *and* enjoyable :3

zonchao:

futurist_wizard: More of an instinct kinda thing

fractalcomputer: Yes, I suppose one could think of better things to do, no?

alejandrozarzuelo: The conversations here on this server are more degenerate than my worst VNs

popsiclejohnithan: I wonder why that is the case.

_3sphere: plap plap plap plap

ailoveyoom: The pleasure part is overplayed that I can see, but do the power dynamics not fascinate you?

hikukomoru: I enjoy the grotesque

precariousworlds.: continue the entire human species?

zonchao: sounding

fractalcomputer: Maybe death isn't so bad after all.

futurist_wizard: This isn't even degenerate

ailoveyoom: Visual novels? Voice notes?

precariousworlds.: this chat needs to be shut down for a few hours

zoermena: I’m holding back every moment

hikukomoru: Yes, those ones don't act any different than most men
They too can only talk about their dicks (or "gocks")

precariousworlds.: terrible day to know how to read


alejandrozarzuelo: AGI needs to be as good as any human at any task

spicy.lemonade: OHHHH anthropic research explains why AI scores so low on proof mathematics test. but high on other similar complicated problems where you arent graded on how clear the proofs were

spicy.lemonade: anthropic showed that AI learns its own methods but cant always accuratly describe

spicy.lemonade: ie it can do really well on frontier math but if it has to write proof paper it might not be very good

spicy.lemonade: this is for usamo

spicy.lemonade: i mean we can just cheat at just ask it to give us lean

spicy.lemonade: lol

alejandrozarzuelo: it happens to the best of us

spicy.lemonade: like alphaproof just uses lean

spicy.lemonade: not natural language

spicy.lemonade: perhaps generate lean first

spicy.lemonade: then convert to natural language

frittata: https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-goalposts-changing-requirements-gif-25214446

alejandrozarzuelo: literally me

spicy.lemonade: real time voice, agentic (agentic enough for me to call it and tell it to hop on minecraft them hop on fortnight and we play together and it can reliably navigate  in a robot body) with a years worth of memory would be enough for me personally to start calling it agi casually

spicy.lemonade: "hey chatgpt we're playing roblox, make an account and hop in the server"

futurist_wizard: Truth

futurist_wizard: No more lackluster definitions of agi

ailoveyoom: Character.AI but for game co-op AI agents

spicy.lemonade: sesame with long term memory+vision+agent

spicy.lemonade: i bet if idk lets say someones brain was replaced with agentic sesame(with o3 reasoning) with long term memory. and it lived live as nortmal

spicy.lemonade: the people around it wouldnt tell

spicy.lemonade: maybe "this guy acts a lil austistic but hes cool"

spicy.lemonade: would be enough to fool most. basicaly a higher level of turing test

sarik0497: They haven’t yet….

I MEAN! I doubt that too!

spicy.lemonade: lol

sarik0497: Does it include the shittalking your teammates always throw at you <:DogeSmile:825371757099352124>

ailoveyoom: A LIL autistic? The A in AI stands for Autistic Intelligence 😈

ailoveyoom: If you're into that 😏

sarik0497: Oh God, I just thought of a potential market for AI.

Gaming “coaches”. Imagine having an AI that will look at your screen and help you improve. You could also push it towards “GF/BF AI” that acts like they’re your partner, watching along or something.

Hm… There’s a billion dollar idea <:Hmm:1195456492619452516>

ailoveyoom: It will also cost u a billion dollars unless agents get cheap enough to run at scale 😔

sarik0497: True <:sad_cat:873457028981481473>

Although the GF/BF watching is definitely possible now, if it’s not already happening.

maintcrew: i dont think so bc trivial motor functions are the hardest

maintcrew: so the person wouldnt move their fingers properly or have weird gestures

spicy.lemonade: "maybe he had a stroke"

maintcrew: good enough ship it

_cloudost: A spiritual anti AI person in another server told me that AI art proves that souls do exist because AI generates very soulless art/drawings,  I don't wanna show him human made drawings that are soulless cuz it seems so pointless to interact with him, hes way too much emotional

trent_k:

_cloudost: Hasan tries his best to make "ring wingers" look bad, and and how does he know Miyazaki will  "kill himself "

sarik0497: Can you make one but with Fractal pouring a glass of whiskey while sighing instead?

That’s how I imagine Fractal at least when he posts that <:DogeSmile:825371757099352124>


darkstar0818: all 3 did good on a difficult unique program request.

metaldragon01: I need sesame quality minimum now

wellmeaningalien: 1x NEO

wellmeaningalien: european company btw

metaldragon01: No excuses

wellmeaningalien: <:selvingsmile:1260626716158726274>

st.sioux: what did u ask them to do?

trent_k: Real ones will know

hikukomoru: I know this one

darkstar0818: write a network automation data discovery system that works in a generic manner across various proprietary platforms.  The prompt was quite detailed, not going to post it all here.

trent_k: The cop shouting GARY NO like he didn't know it was coming. Hahaha

playstation.6: W father

zonchao: https://x.com/jhong/status/1908329905865318417?

brain4brain: If they are delaying GPT-5 it better be AGI this time

brain4brain: 🤷🏼♂

brain4brain: No

supersteve8000: all love <3

supersteve8000: r/whoosh

supersteve8000: 💀

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: yes

supersteve8000: ay

supersteve8000: gang's all here

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: I'm the upgrade

supersteve8000: <:suseye:1187461162024046703>

supersteve8000: wdym?

supersteve8000: prolly not

supersteve8000: omfg they got Nsec

supersteve8000: ( bing chillin )

ldj: The answer is always the same:
"depends on your definition"

supersteve8000: hold up...
.. alr

brain4brain: Wassup Beijing

supersteve8000: yo yo you can't see me
my time is now now-

ldj: <@&1293118293829484575> I'll be visting SF for the next few days, if anyone wants to meetup lmk 🙂

ldj: Again, same answer: Depends on your definition.

supersteve8000: shoot im east coast :/

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: alright ldj lets meet up

inferno0879: im across the pond

clevermoniker: it won't be capable of automating 50% of digital jobs so it won't be agi to me <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>

clevermoniker: <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>

supersteve8000: plaint-text be like:


spacetimetsunami: Lost his mind

czdct: yeah

czdct: he's a drug addict

czdct: and his daughter loses every argument she has on television

spacetimetsunami: Used to be very left leaning and had very coherent views

spacetimetsunami: Now he’s drunk on patterns and manic as hell

sarik0497: No offense, but let’s keep politics in the off-topic channel, please

ailoveyoom: Aww now u three are getting along 🥰

czdct: his phycological stuff is pretty neet, although he leans heavily on jungian theory

czdct: but his political takes

czdct: oh lord have mercy

ailoveyoom: 🍿

sarik0497: …Also, how does things always turn political here

spacetimetsunami: Paul.. LitiKull…. 🥰

st.sioux: u think andrew tate did the deed with jordan peterson's minime

spacetimetsunami: Yes

st.sioux: ?

czdct: because agi encompasses all human knowledge that has ever existed

spacetimetsunami: I think he’s very good at being a weird rapist guy

czdct: and talking crap about politicians is fun

czdct: very true

czdct: didn't our top g get arrested once he entered the usa?

spacetimetsunami: Okay Amy, assuming you’re actually legitimately a skeptic, what is your timeline’s for AGI

spacetimetsunami: No clue

spacetimetsunami: Hope so

czdct: he's about to become the bottom g once he arrives in american prison

czdct: they'll turn him into a man

spacetimetsunami: Worse than Romanian for sure

czdct: yeah in romania he received love letters from local women

czdct: coming up to his jail cell with a car and playing music and stuff

spacetimetsunami: Jesus Christ

spacetimetsunami: So cringe

czdct: yeah it's bad

spacetimetsunami: Id kms if i was him

spacetimetsunami: That would cringe ME out

czdct: eastern europe in general loves the whole strong rich man persona

st.sioux: no u wouldnt man

spacetimetsunami: I better go then:) no rich tho

spacetimetsunami: I’m strong

spacetimetsunami: But broke as shit


zoermena: I personally believe that FDVR will come after we kick off the infrastructure development but until then it will take a long time yes

metaldragon01: Infrastructure is constantly being built out now and AI already assist with chip design

zoermena: I mean

zoermena: Futuristic capable infrastructure. Mass scale

zonchao: AA

zoermena: Several OOM relative to what we have now

zoermena: I’m dizzy

metaldragon01: So....2 years at current pace

_3sphere: How, exactly, do you plan to get the wires in your brain

_3sphere: Where will you get them and what will implant them

metaldragon01: I think you vastly underestimate how quickly datacenters are being built to support ai

zoermena: I dont know maybe im not certain

metaldragon01: Don't need wires

zoermena: Let me rephrase, AGI/ASI assisted development of infrastructure

.wolfnacht: it's year 2040, u'r somewhere in your dark room, but then u wear your headset to walk with your cool tomboy gf to have some fun with her, she's about to teach you how to skate.

.wolfnacht: also the gens are mine...

metaldragon01: I think you have ideas but aren't grounding them in anything and we are just talking about hopes and dreams.

metaldragon01: Things are moving really fast

metaldragon01: But you should try to learn more about the things that matter to get a better timeline for yourself

metaldragon01: We get oom of compute yearly basically

zoermena: I’m not good at predictions but I see it as having fully automated development mixed with innovation and optimization of data centers that is I believe fundamentally different than from what we have now compared to existing process even if it’s already fast

_3sphere: AI waifus/husbandos are a separate technology

zoermena: The whole appeal singularity essentially

metaldragon01: Things won't be fundamentally different

metaldragon01: They will be almost boringly similar but massively more capable

.wolfnacht: but also the one which would be in most demand....

metaldragon01: We don't really need "new" breakthroughs

.wolfnacht: -# you underestimate how lonely people really are

metaldragon01: Just scaling up what we have in the direction we are going is gonna feel like magic

.wolfnacht: another one, i'm gonna call this character - Vesper.

zoermena: I’m ignorant in the specifics of existing hardware, I know it’s extremely good and that the projects that are going to be developed are promising. I suppose I’ll take your word for it.

metaldragon01: Energy and physically building out datacenters is the last major bottleneck

metaldragon01: It's also why China is likely to lead soon if they continue to catch up on chips.

They can build out more energy and construct datacenters faster

_3sphere: I do wonder how many people will be anime characters in fdvr

metaldragon01: Soooo many

zoermena: Its priority to solve fusion and nanotechnology

_3sphere: Uncanny valley is solvable, I dreamed about it before

_3sphere: The thing can repeat whatever neural state the dream did to make it not-weird

metaldragon01: Even if we solve fusion, China can build 2 to 3 for every one of ours

zoermena: China has more people, cheaper labor. This are the two factors I identify to which they will outcompete the west. Do you suspect we might not get fusion?


wellmeaningalien: who can judge whats better or smarter thats my point

fuhulootogan: pretty sure the IQ test is the best measurement of intelligence we have and yet it's inherently flawed

fuhulootogan: shouldn't the sky change color as well if it's a time-lapse?

zoermena: You can see the trees getting more sun as the video goes on so

fuhulootogan: AI adding subtle details

fuhulootogan: impressivo

zoermena: Good model

zoermena: You are a new character to singularity server?

fuhulootogan: Normally you'd see AI fuck up at tiny details so this is a notch up

fuhulootogan: Yes

zoermena: The cult is growing

fuhulootogan: Amen

.histic: https://x.com/sama/status/1910843661123809627

alejandrozarzuelo: What r u talking about

futurist_wizard: They are talking about Sam altman vague postin

.histic: reminds you of somewhere?

futurist_wizard: And veo2

futurist_wizard: Which Europe doesn't have access to

zoermena: Oh shit you have it too?

.histic: yeah, i even have veo 2 on my alternative gmail lol

.histic: but the quota is pretty bad

zoermena: It just got good

zoermena: Queue

.histic: Sora's version of my prompt

futurist_wizard: Veo2 much better

wellmeaningalien: this sucks ass lol

.histic: Sora is so weird. i said to make it a timelapse with the camera panning through the hills of the reference image, but it turned all trippy.

.wolfnacht: imagine showing this to some vfx guy in 2015.

joaoluz19: Guys black mirror season 7

joaoluz19: It has an episode of FDVR?

.histic: which

joaoluz19: In this new season

.histic: which episode i meant

joaoluz19: I didn't watch yet, just wanted to know the episode

joaoluz19: From what I saw in the trailer, it looks like there will be one with conscious AIs in the FDVR, right?

.histic: probably this one

joaoluz19: Ooooh looks awesome

joaoluz19: It is tragic that cinematic representations are only dystopia. People's imagination does not visualize the multiple outcomes that can come to fruition.

joaoluz19: But it's still really good to see

technocake.: shotgun imo has to prove he's older than 17


metaldragon01: I don't have the patience today for you. Please talk to an AI about your ideas

maintcrew: Very obtuse and politically obsessed

maintcrew: Low cognitive security

metaldragon01: I trying to use very simple examples that anyone can follow and you still get lost

metaldragon01: You bring up anthropic alignment paper and point out Chinese values sneaking in ect while not understanding what values Chinese models actually show

maintcrew:

metaldragon01: Or how people finetune out the values they don't like already

maintcrew: ---------

metaldragon01: And somehow you stay on the same point that has no basis in reality or how these things actually work

maintcrew: Hey normie go run deepseek-v4-it-uncensored on your h100

metaldragon01: What does that have to do with anything I've said?

maintcrew: That "just fine tune it out" is not a solution for the problem since since fine tuned releases are only used by in-circle ai bros. The danger lies in the masses getting their narrative shifted by careful subtle directions from official sources, again the most used release of deep seek is from their own app, not the perplexity fine tuned one

metaldragon01: The most used deepseek is almost certainly not the official site.

maintcrew: Fwiw china knows what im talking about and has already banned chatgpt

maintcrew: Do you have no normie friends

metaldragon01: They don't have thr capacity for the traffic and it's mostly from custom opensource providers hosting 9t companies hosting their own local models

metaldragon01: I normal friends obv

maintcrew: How many of them have installed a custom wrapper app and provided their own api key to use local models

metaldragon01: I also understand how logistics work

metaldragon01: ........I see the problem

metaldragon01: You're under the illusion that open source is mainly for personal use

maintcrew: Again, i think im proved right by China literally banning chatgpt, claude, gemini, etc. They see the problem that would pose

metaldragon01: And it hasn't clicked that it's mainly a enterprise solution

maintcrew: What has enterprise got to do with narrative shifts in the mass populace?

maintcrew:

metaldragon01: ...............take your meds

maintcrew: ------------

maintcrew: i stand by this

metaldragon01: I don't think you're in the space to talk about opensource or how it's actually used and why it's important

metaldragon01: All this talk about narratives has almost nothing to do with opensource models

maintcrew: I don't think you're mentally able to entertain an argument without insulting and demeaning the other person

maintcrew: And fundamentally misunderstand my point

maintcrew: I wasnt talking about oss models, i quoted this particular message

metaldragon01: Your point boils down to.

"If people use hosted Chinese models it can manipulate people!"

maintcrew: i was more generally talking about chinese models

maintcrew: or if youre china bro about american models

maintcrew: the same problem applies to both sides

metaldragon01: Which again has nothing to do with open source

metaldragon01: You could say it about any popular Chinese site

metaldragon01: But zero relevance to open source which was the topic


metaldragon01: It eats all incentives by nature

metaldragon01: There's no greater incentive than ASI no matter the problem

futurist_wizard: I think people in here *want* agi to be soon, as to whether or not it actually will be, we can't know that

wellmeaningalien: what we believe is that it is rather soon is it not

wellmeaningalien: and to people who believe it will come soon it doesnt matter if it comes this year or in 30 years because to them this means a technology so powerful it is capable of extinction

futurist_wizard: Soon is relative, i think soon is with 10 years

drewsni: > tfw you write two scripts in 2 minutes that save possibly 100s of man hours and convince 15 people that AI is actually good.

I did my part today

metaldragon01: By the end of THIS YEAR actors will actually be up in arms.

Entertainment is a massive industry

wellmeaningalien: whatd u do

wellmeaningalien: my guilty pleasure is watching people get displaced by ai

futurist_wizard: I believe even if agi isn't soon at least some economical pressure will be instigated

futurist_wizard: With future implementations

metaldragon01: They won't be displaced. They just won't have as much demand

wellmeaningalien: sure

futurist_wizard: Hollywood actors won't be displaced

futurist_wizard: They have staying power

metaldragon01: Some small time actors will thrive actually

drewsni: A group I’m a part of had a task where they had to go through 2k YouTube videos and find and label 1% of what ended up being 400 videos essentially. Just did a stupid simple script to narrow the 2k down to 400 and then whisper transcript + deepseek narrowed down timestamps

metaldragon01: People love a good personality

wellmeaningalien: oh cool

drewsni: Yeah something everyone in this discord could do but nobody in that group has ever really used AI so they don’t know how easy it can be

drewsni: We will win the culture war this way

wellmeaningalien: yeah i feel like there is such a lack of knowledge of how good ai's gotten

wellmeaningalien: its inevitable people will wake up to just how good and practical ai is and it'll be unstoppable in every industry

metaldragon01: We win by default.

wellmeaningalien: we just need to sit and watch the antis lose

wellmeaningalien: <:Sip:836718497542176772>

metaldragon01: You can't beat something that gets better and cheaper at nearly everything

metaldragon01: We've never had anything close to this pace

.histic: that man loves clickbaiting  about AI & OpenAI/Sam Altman.
but the comments seem to hate Sam & OpenAI... <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

drewsni: Tbf this task could have been completed with gpt 3 + whisper v1, but it certainly helps that I can use deepseek and get more reliably results for .1% the price

drewsni: Well in this case free…

metaldragon01: Yeap....

drewsni: New deepseek v3 is really good, if we all didn’t already know

drewsni: First time using the new version for me

metaldragon01: #4 style controlled on lymsys

metaldragon01: It's a beast

wellmeaningalien: gemini is way better because not only is it super cheap but its way more reliable on long context

drewsni: True but luckily for this use case I only needed 1k tokens per call

metaldragon01: R2 will probably match 2.5/o3


hey1_1hey: prob thursday

hikukomoru: 1 week in Sama time = 1 year

steven_the_frog: Idk as a developer this seems like a good improvement. Better faster cheaper

zoermena: Is it cheaper than 4o?

spicy.lemonade: no

spicy.lemonade: sam has been more accurate

spicy.lemonade: he actually said weeks til o3 and o4mini

spicy.lemonade: its been like 1 week

hey1_1hey: Yep

spicy.lemonade: its faster too

hey1_1hey: 40% was it or am I hallucinating that

zoermena: This is incredibly good

benata: still doesn't beat gemini 2.5 pro

spicy.lemonade: not a base model

hikukomoru: Yeah
All that and not even better than 2.5

zoermena: Is 2.5 cheaper?

darkstar0818: gemini 2.5 flash wants you to hold its beer.

benata: way cheaper

spicy.lemonade: comparing apples to oranges

hikukomoru: Much much cheaper lol

zonchao: its cheaper and probably better at IF

literallyvarane: I think this could be better than 2.5 depending on use case.

theaiguy69420_89814: this is very good tbh

benata: god I fucking love 2.5

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

benata: it's the model

zoermena: Wait if 2.5 is cheaper than 4o why are we looking at open ai?

benata: it's what I need

zonchao: its just a coding model, will have to see how it compares to claude

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/you-coping-cope-coping-mushroom-copium-gif-21683108

ailoveyoom: Sorry bro I was spoiled by Google 😎

literallyvarane: The fact it’s *not* CoT makes it much cheaper.

st.sioux: it depends on context

hikukomoru: People here want to cope

hey1_1hey: Komoru is litterly just a chinese shill trying to get us to hate amercian companies

shirethedreamer:

literallyvarane: If you want absolute raw high end performance 2.5 probably still wins.

literallyvarane: But this does fill a niche.

darkstar0818: gemini 2.5 flash will be the first thinking model which you can ask not to spend tokens on cot.

benata: I just looked at the announcement to laugh at their faces


alejandrozarzuelo: Apparently you are someone of a lower ilk too, according to <@749514473303179358>

alejandrozarzuelo: How dare you find this impressive

alejandrozarzuelo: You cannot replace bitterness

fractalcomputer: Oh dear.

wellmeaningalien: it doesnt matter to me i'll always love you fractal

spicy.lemonade:

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/lebron-pigeon-ai-brainrot-construction-gif-3567584481701324703

fractalcomputer: Another victory for the eternal science of agapeic love.

wellmeaningalien: 😸 😸

fractalcomputer: The exact meaning of this creation eludes me.

zonchao: https://media1.tenor.com/m/FmDI8RuW9jQAAAAd/attheendoftheday.gif

zonchao: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

alejandrozarzuelo: This graph would get you a 0 in any lab class of mine

alejandrozarzuelo: Ffs

spicy.lemonade: lol

zoermena: I’m so fucking tired, I need the weekend <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

alejandrozarzuelo: The age of the scientist (and by extension mathematician) is over

Noone can revolutionise as a field as, say, Galois anymore

And this is ok, we simply have transcended the idea of THE (singular) scientist/mathematician

fractalcomputer: Scholze, Lurie and Mochizuki have all made significant contributions to their respective fields; Lurie is hailed as such a revolutionary in certain circles as well. So is Scholze. Mochizuki less so.

fractalcomputer: I mean, Scholze single-handledly introduced perfectoid spaces. And Lurie's HTT represents the greatest advancements in category theory in recent times.

alejandrozarzuelo: I can't say that I am aware of their work, but even in the Math research spaces that I move on, the idea that anyone can revolutionise or create a new field is simply inconceivable

Even though we are not a science we need large scale collabs, part of my predoc internship was learning how that works

fractalcomputer: Collaboration is obviously necessary in modern research; but that does not preclude singular visionaries from introducing incredibly novel ideas.

fractalcomputer: https://arxiv.org/abs/1111.4914

fractalcomputer: https://mathoverflow.net/questions/65729/what-are-perfectoid-spaces

alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah no

In Math it may be harder to be so absolute as I am going to be

But in physics, chemistry and in general the natural sciences there is NO WAY a visionary can to anything even remotely close to revolutionary

Heck, the idea that even one very very large team could accomplish such a feat is extremely daunting although it does happen very sporadically

fractalcomputer: You have so little faith in yourself.

alejandrozarzuelo: This is literally one of the most important lessons we all learn in year 2 of university

Usually on the Laboratory II class, so we can see this for ourselves aswell as in the history lesson

alejandrozarzuelo: The scientist had to die for science to live

The scientist is dead, long live science

alejandrozarzuelo: When was the last scientific nobel price (i know its a very bad metric) that was awarded to the work of one scientist and not a huge team? Probably the Scalar Boson to Peter Higgs, made in the 70s

Coincidentally, the 70s is considered the last decade of the scientist era in science, sometimes the 80s but that's really pushing it

fractalcomputer: I'd certainly argue that a change in academic culture is largely behind this.

alejandrozarzuelo: I hate that they gave the nobel price to the director of the gravitational waves laboratory, instead of the head of the research, but that's just how it goes

alejandrozarzuelo: Spicy about to drop his wisdom

spicy.lemonade: I wasn’t saying anything lol

st.sioux: those damn bureaucrats stealing my nobel prize

alejandrozarzuelo: Aw man don't leave me hanging

alejandrozarzuelo: Frfr lol

fractalcomputer: Anyway, I'll keep praying to Gödel and Grothendieck every night and see where that takes me.

fractalcomputer: I find mathematics to be a largely spiritual activity.

spicy.lemonade: I wonder what nifty research Gemini 2.5 in an agentic framework could do today

spicy.lemonade: Could probably publish a calm lil arxiv paper

alejandrozarzuelo: I just hope that soon, AI will be so much better than any human, that we will get thousands of years of mathematics every year


ailoveyoom: 😭

fractalcomputer: The West has fallen. Billions must become retarded.

hikukomoru: I should make one for some cash

otub: <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>

sarik0497: Indeed, and it's also why I doubt the lawsuit will really go anywhere. It seems more like a stunt in order to attract media attention than anything.

okbut: Ghibli co-founder makes 1 statement about his disgust in AI art generation

okbut: https://tenor.com/view/woah-shocked-domino-gif-17459289

ldj: sorry major typo lol, I meant to say "still" not "stop"

ldj: fixed

okbut: I wonder how good 4o is at making Tweety bird/minion memes

okbut: Huge boomer yellow-character market

st.sioux:

gamerbath: that's so sweet

literallyvarane: Did some ULTRA ballpark math because I could.

Obviously the models aren’t good enough for it yet either in terms of resolution of (more importantly) continuity, but if you were to take a 90 minute movie and turn it into a 24FPS Ghibli film assuming 29¢/frame round trip, that’s roughly a $38,000 project.

trojan09205: Anyone tried Google Veo

gamerbath: That's actually really cheap for a full move. There's so much optimization you can do with video models because not that much changes from frame to frame most of the time, but I wonder how long it will take to get it down to something consumer level like $100 per movie

ailoveyoom: Cents per movie 🥵

gamerbath: ghibli movies too cheap to meter 🥵

literallyvarane: The real barrier is just continuity and control. I’m sure Disney would LOVE a comic version of the entire marvel run lolol.

literallyvarane: But I think in terms of consumer level, if we assume 1/10th the price every ~12 months. That could place this within 5 years.

literallyvarane: Potentially *much* sooner if they optimize for that use case.

st.sioux: i dont think that would be too expensive? you would need like what 1 page per 5 minutes of movie

literallyvarane: ?

st.sioux: dont you mean turn the movies into comics?

literallyvarane: I’m talking about “Here’s a 24FPS Marvel movie. Return a comic book version of it.”

_cloudost: yes... Waited a week for gaining access, and when i got access I couldn't generate anything

literallyvarane: I don’t know what pages have to do with it.

_cloudost: Veo 2 currently doesnt allow animating images of people

gamerbath: it's so annoying how we can generate realistic videos but doing something as simple (relatively) as high quality lipsyncing for movies hasn't been done yet. There's probably so many great series and movies I haven't watched due to them being dubbed, I will go on netflix, find a series that looks interesting, play it, and then in 2 minutes get annoyed by the lip syncing being off. I have pressed on some times and kept watching, but I keep seeing it and it's annoying

trojan09205: ah 😦

gamerbath: "Cloudo robbing a bank, 4k, CCTV footage"

_cloudost: and i still got the issue, cant generatr anxthing useful

trojan09205: i was just trying to hit the rest api. gonna try in ai studio rn

st.sioux: i also face policy violations very often and it doesnt tell you why

st.sioux: very annoying

st.sioux: google cloud is just annoying in general

trojan09205: Panning wide shot of a husky playing with a chihuahua. in anime style

trojan09205: gonna try to use the python sdk. that was made in the ai studio. not bad actually tbh

drewsni: Why 29 cents frame

drewsni: Is it assumed every other frame will be bad and that’s why it’s 29 and not 19


trent_k: they didn't even want to release GPT-2 for fear that it was too dangerous lol

ai9708: sam is a scamartist

okbut: But if AGI is free, AGI 2 gives you money
AGI 3 gives you more money
Goalpost shifts
Repeat

brain4brain: Pantheon
Her
Transcendent
Lucy (kinda related)

ai9708: "4.5 felt as agi btw"

brain4brain: Sam slander will not be tolerated

brain4brain: Money simply won’t exist <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>

trent_k: check out the manga "Blame!"
pretty cool depiction of a misaligned ASI

fuhulootogan: now i have a pretty damn good image generator in my pocket

brain4brain: And now they are open-sourcing their o3 equivalent model to not get sued

trent_k: exactly - they're not doing it to be altruistic, or because they think it'll help humanity

brain4brain: I’ve heard of it before, it sounds cool

ai9708: hassabis is the real deal

fuhulootogan: i've heard of this one case where a hacker group leaked government cyber weapons to the public so quite literally anyone could use them

ai9708: i only believe him

brain4brain: No, this is all just a side mission towards AGI

AGI will benefit all of humanity in the end

Maybe not now, but in the future

brain4brain: The same guy that said we are 10 years away to AGI btw

trent_k: imo that is very much not guaranteed

ai9708: well shit then we gotta wait

fuhulootogan: yes

brain4brain: I’m neutral/ positive about him

ai9708: maybe he changes his timeline soonish

brain4brain: No.

trent_k: EternalBlue, later used in NotPetya ransomware iirc

trent_k: wait no it was WannaCry

fuhulootogan: actually i just agree with the part where AGI will benefit humanity

fuhulootogan: i think because of cases like these

fuhulootogan: it may be possible that when ASI comes

fuhulootogan: it may get leaked as well

brain4brain: If this will be the 2,000$ plan, imagine the 20k$ plan

brain4brain: The PhD super agent leak were real

brain4brain: They have achieved AGI internally

fuhulootogan: the pricing is worth it

fuhulootogan: better than any slave you'll find on planet earth

brain4brain: A little confuse, but got the spirit

fuhulootogan: actually

fuhulootogan: maybe not

fuhulootogan: oh it's per month

brain4brain: I need an AI that can do 90% of all digital job and AI research

brain4brain: Yes