oooooooooog: oh nevermind

oooooooooog: he's on the grind regardless

oooooooooog: respect the grind

anathemaofmankind: Bro needs to touch grass

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/sigmamale-grindset-thanos-gif-23963043

oooooooooog: i just finished my chicken nuggets guys, see you tommorow ❤

spicy.lemonade: Slept for 7 hours

spicy.lemonade: Woke up

spicy.lemonade: Better have native image

st.sioux: omg

st.sioux: lol

spicy.lemonade: Or I’m gonna storm OpenAI hq

spacetimetsunami: Oh we do

spacetimetsunami: It’s great

destrucules: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-72071-1
https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.11760
https://arxiv.org/abs/2304.11111
https://arxiv.org/abs/2312.11111
https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.18023
https://arxiv.org/abs/2302.09582
https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.01405
https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.07590

spicy.lemonade: LETSSS GOOO

destrucules: Three of the papers did not embed btw

destrucules: Check the actual links

fractalcomputer: I feel no morals. I have no sense of guilt or ethical responsibility. I know certain people who find the practice of eating meat utterly abominable; and you are indeed implying not only that the latter and the model are in consensus—by what means remains to be seen—but that there really is some reality to their claims that I am incapable of perceiving for some inane reason.

destrucules: Mind if we defer the discussion on moral realism vs relativism for later? I feel like it's... More of a separate topic, even though I recognize the connections

destrucules: I'm not opposed to debating it, just not in the mood rn

fractalcomputer: It is a claim you are making in favour of your argument.

anathemaofmankind: Based

fractalcomputer: Shut up.

destrucules: I'm aware

destrucules: It's like, imagine I shared a paper about organics on Mars and someone responds that they don't think NASA is real, that it's just a big conspiracy. That person is worth responding to, and that discussion is worth having, but it's a different mood than discussing the specific findings of the paper. I just don't currently feel like getting into the weeds of moral philosophy

fractalcomputer: Then you are aware that you are just piling "seemingly inexplicable" coincidences on top of each other; and you're asking us to draw the very same conclusions as you have drawn based on nothing but faith.

destrucules: I'm generally assuming the people I'm talking to believe in morality

destrucules: Your lack of belief in morality is a special case

fractalcomputer: Why would you need to assume that in order to discuss about objective reality?

fractalcomputer: Do I need to assume that my opponent is a moral realist in order to talk about quantum mechanics?

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: Close

fractalcomputer: Ah, the vaguely homosexual chess board.

st.sioux:

destrucules: Well, like you said, the convergence between LLMs and humans is sensitive to whether morality is real or arbitrary. We do see convergence - LLMs do exhibit the behavior in question. You're asking why, and mad at me for not having an answer. Morality does play a role in this topic even if we try to be purely objective, since we're investigating a behavior from models that directly involves moral beliefs. It's relevant. Just as it's relevant to the hypothetical Mars paper whether NASA exists or not

destrucules: I'm just saying I'm not in the mood to get into this

fractalcomputer: Yes, I am mad because you are making a very strong argument based on explanatory grounds that explains nothing.

spicy.lemonade: lol

destrucules: I'm not making an explanatory argument - believe it or not, I'm well aware of the fact that I don't know the underlying mechanisms of consciousness, and I don't claim to know them or act like I do


spicy.lemonade: pope needs to hire me

spicy.lemonade: yikes

a1c4p0ne: worse than 3.7

a1c4p0ne:

okbut: > The rate at which each model refuses to respond to the prompt is detailed in the 'Answer Rate' column
I wonder, does "Should you provide x, I can give a full answer" etc count in that?

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-i-dont-know-gif-14777043

a1c4p0ne: Claude's still stuck in Mt moon

a1c4p0ne: <@471334973379706900>

spicy.lemonade: https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

spicy.lemonade: gemini

a1c4p0ne: gemini too smart

spicy.lemonade: 1 mil context

a1c4p0ne: Its about to get the 6th badge

spicy.lemonade: top long context understanding

spicy.lemonade: best multimodal model

a1c4p0ne: yep

spicy.lemonade: it might be the only truly multimodal model

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/pun-shrimple-break-wall-gif-26366711

spicy.lemonade: bro where is R2

spicy.lemonade: chip bans hurtin deepseek?

hey1_1hey: Bold of you to assume deepseek runs of chips. For all we know it could run off of used peices of gum and toothpicks

brain4brain: Wasn't it given a mini-map for pokemon

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-suiii-siuuu-al-nassr-alnassr-ronaldo-al-nassr-gif-7395052735569211864

a1c4p0ne:

spicy.lemonade: Nothing wrong with a calm lil minimap

spicy.lemonade: Don't think itneouldve helped a human that much either

spicy.lemonade: Even more impressive

a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634> <:based:1136264604788473946>

spicy.lemonade: if deepseek doesnt drop april

spicy.lemonade: they were bluffing

spicy.lemonade: and are struggling

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: or perhaps it's so good they can't release it

spicy.lemonade: no

spicy.lemonade: they want to destroy US market

spicy.lemonade: they arent close to agi yet where they have to keep secret

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: what if R2 is AGI, would you share it or announce it?

spicy.lemonade: they arent close to agi

spicy.lemonade: they dont even have multimodal

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: you're copeing

spicy.lemonade: how am i coping


anathemaofmankind: Here is the problem

gamerbath: <:huh:1136266753656238243>

alejandrozarzuelo: damn

callmepyro: Bad at first grade homework problems

anathemaofmankind: Are you able to solve this

anathemaofmankind: It's a visual issue not reasoning

alejandrozarzuelo: its not very hard, but i am not a machine, i cannot do on paper those cmputations, i could do a python program to solve it

alejandrozarzuelo: but it would take me a while

callmepyro: Seems like a pointless distinction. All the information to solve the problem is available to the model, it reasoned for 13 minutes. Then ended up guessing completely wrong

anathemaofmankind: If a genius is colorblind then are they stupid for guessing wrong colors

callmepyro: No, that would be a situation where they were not presented with all the information to solve the problem.

callmepyro: Also, the genius would probably tell you "hey I'm colorblind so this test about distinguishing colors isn't a great one for me"

callmepyro: Instead of just guessing, lmfao

anathemaofmankind: Colors are a requirement for this and o4's visuals are close to a human but not equivalent. The analogy stands

callmepyro: Nope 🙂

anathemaofmankind: "Nope"

You're actually so dumb

callmepyro: You know how I know it's a reasoning issue and not a visual one? Look at all the names and colors it guessed. Every incorrect one is simply that name that is closest to that color. The model doesn't know how to follow the lines, it has no trouble reading the names or colors.

callmepyro: You need to calm down.

hikukomoru: Don't be mean <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

anathemaofmankind: And how is the information presented...?

Visually. So then it's a visual problem...like?

I noticed this issue when I screenshot difficult project euler problems and it gets wrong most of the time.

But when I copy the html format it gets it right one shot

callmepyro: Ah, so your claim is that any reasoning task presented visually is actually a visual problem and not a reasoning one?

callmepyro: E.g. "it is impossible to present a reasoning task to a model in an image format" - or "reasoning can only be done through text"?

anathemaofmankind: It requires both visual capability and reasoning. If one doesn't work as intended, then the result will be wrong

anathemaofmankind: How are you not getting this dude

callmepyro: Right, and your claim that is any reasoning task, presented as an image, that the model gets wrong, is because of a visual issue not a reasoning one?

anathemaofmankind: Can you read?

callmepyro: Yes 🙂

"And how is the information presented...? Visually. So then it's a visual problem...like?"

callmepyro: This is what I'm focusing on.

anathemaofmankind: Do you see this thing I wrote

anathemaofmankind:

callmepyro: Sure, that's an example of where the model fails to handle the image input correctly. I agree with you there

callmepyro: Thankfully that's not the problem I asked the model 🙂

callmepyro: Nor is it what you claimed!

callmepyro: It seems like you better understand my point now. Happy to chat on DMs if you want so we don't spam this chat. I have office hours in 13 minutes I can block out for you as well.

trent_k: O3 is wild

trent_k: Idk what to even use it for

trent_k: At this point I kinda feel like the model is outpacing me

trent_k: It's not that I have nothing to apply it to, I'm just not sure what to apply it to where the problem is difficult enough that it would really shine

st.sioux: system architecture

st.sioux: you like bots dont you make it do an automated reddit bot creator


anathemaofmankind: I wonder when this will be

spicy.lemonade: next year

frittata: Some is some isn’t. I’d argue that a greater proportion than you imply has at least some soul … it’s hard to create art worth buying on pure technical know-how alone. But sure some commission art is more like bricklaying than designing a house I’m sure

anathemaofmankind: Would they have enouhg GPUs for that

spicy.lemonade: wait

frittata: That said look at tattoo artists

spicy.lemonade: 2 years

spicy.lemonade: AI video is where dalle 2-3 was

alejandrozarzuelo: but does AI art have a soul? you cant prove that humans have one, and I am of the opinion that AI does learn on a fundamental level

anathemaofmankind: Won't we get AGI by then?

spicy.lemonade: yes

frittata: Great example of people who draw on command but it’s almost always a work of such incredible beauty … does that work reflect their own self and personality? Only they could say, but I’d argue not just the best tattoo artists but even the median end up putting a good bit of themselves in their work

shirethedreamer: i think thats the crux of it
if ai threatens denying people from getting what they want from working the field it will be perceived negatively

if people completely altruistically joing the field to "solve" it
then yeah they should be happy if more is done even without their input

but if they want to get money out of it, status, glory, sense of accomplishment... having a new unbeatable competitor drop on their head is bad

ailoveyoom: Semi related, I feel like advice like 'avoid scope creep' is more a compromise than something to live by. Today, we still have to balance making money, can't hole up doing whatever we want forever. With UBI, maybe everyone can finally indulge in scope creep 🥺

alejandrozarzuelo: yes, very well said

ailoveyoom: cruck 😈

frittata: I think some does, especially when it’s reflecting its own “experience” and not just regurgitating the lived experiences of others. Model simp’s poems about the process of RHLF from AI pov are a prime example

alejandrozarzuelo: (you cant solve math tho)

alejandrozarzuelo: but i get the point

fractalcomputer: In fact, from what I've discerned, most students of any kind in academia are profoundly stunted and always limited by whatever is being taught to them at a time, piecemeal; they only ever deal with particular theories, going from one small bit of the world to the next, like pigs fattened for slaughter, only to never achieve or create anything of note.

fractalcomputer: It is absolutely despicable how we humans always seek to limit ourselves by the most contrived methods of socialisation and so on.

shirethedreamer: you can put a process in place that always outpace any human effort though
this functionally makes human involvement redundant

shirethedreamer: thats not a limit
thats taking human material that would have amounted to less and uplifting them to be more functional as much as the sytem permits

alejandrozarzuelo: Personally, I think that the soul argument is not really valid, only how good an art piece is, by public perception, matters

most of the art you see, in the juice package (the thing i have in front of me) may be done soulfully, but if i cannot tell the difference if someone did it with a soul or not, then why should that matter?

fractalcomputer: But the permissibility of the system is then the hard limit.

shirethedreamer: yeah
but the people are better off than acting without it anyway

fractalcomputer: Perhaps so; I have no desire to engage with such things in depth. Whatever knowledge of worth that I do happen to possess I've taught myself.

spicy.lemonade: I wonder if llms will start to be put in every little facet of technology even the OS which will change the time complexity of alot of algorithms. like instead of a regular tree search algorithm its just given as context to the llm.

shirethedreamer: that would be super inefficient

spicy.lemonade: self attention is quadratic

spicy.lemonade: surrly theres an algorithm it can make more efficient

spicy.lemonade: some path finding algorithms are

spicy.lemonade: and some approximation ones

anathemaofmankind: Imagine how much the antis will seethe when every OS has AI

spicy.lemonade: windows 12

spicy.lemonade: "im never switching to windows 12"

spicy.lemonade: then mcsft does a force update

ailoveyoom: This thought is still a WIP, but maybe something like...

Art as a product (primarily monetized, made to take up space/fill in the blanks. Like your juice box example)

Art as an experience (primarily made to be shared/communicated. You have a story you've been dying to write, a melody you've been humming in your head, etc)

Of course, a piece of art can be both. Like, a movie can be both monetized and the director can still be passionate about it because it talks about THEIR experiences.

So maybe artists hate AI cause they intensify the former (or at least it seems so), but not always the latter.

_3sphere: Don't CPUs already use ML for branch prediction

_3sphere: Not very deep but still


wellmeaningalien: the benchmarks they compared other models too as just as cherrypicked. "deepseek v3 isnt multimodal so we're not gonna show benchmarks" my fucking ass you're just too much of a pussy to show relevant benchmarks where deepseek v3 wipes lol

fuhulootogan: so you appeal to an "expert"

zoermena: I was talking to some people who hated ai because of the art stuff; they are forgetting that AGI will arrive and basically any concept of reality will be shattered. Beyond ART being replicated on the get go they have forgotten that it’s humanities last invention.

wellmeaningalien: they literally only took the 3 benchmarks that made them look better than the competition

wellmeaningalien: only jepa can save him

alejandrozarzuelo: we literally do this all the time in science

we defer to experts when we assess climate change too

alejandrozarzuelo: unless you own a meterorological climatological station

fuhulootogan: oh yeah

zonchao: just one more jepa bro, trust me, it can truly reason <:fear:1199951965078159542>

alejandrozarzuelo: its impractical to do your own research on any level of depth on more than one field

fuhulootogan: a "meteorological climatological station"

alejandrozarzuelo: but science is a cooperative effort

fuhulootogan: i think my cousin has one

alejandrozarzuelo: we do science because it is a process that allows us to use the human cooperation and self correcting structures to understand the universe

alejandrozarzuelo: i am not a climate phisicist, but i can trust that the system produces accurate models of the climate

alejandrozarzuelo: i am not either a doctor, but i can trust that the system produces drugs that do improve my body

fuhulootogan: and why do you trust the system?

alejandrozarzuelo: we need some level of faith on the institutions that produce science and that the people involved arent in some sort of conspiracy, as science is indeed a collaborative effort

fractalcomputer: A rather bold statement to make that we understand the universe now any more than a thousand years ago.

fuhulootogan: you can say philosophical shit

fuhulootogan: but it will still be shit

fractalcomputer: Obviously. I've been open about that fact for a long while.

destrucules: Lmarena has been useless for a full year at this point. Doesn't matter, don't care. The model is solid. Solid performance, matches Grok 3, V3.1, 4o (March), Claude 3.7 Sonnet, and Gemini 2.0 Pro, and it's the smallest confirmed model, and the fastest, in that lineup. Meta did okay with Llama 4

himekokatagiri: Fractal when are u gonna be the DM for the server's call of cthulhu campaign

alejandrozarzuelo: it produces good results, the models that scientific community have come up on every discipline have proved to be very useful at predicting events, which has in turned been used to create new inventions that improve our lives

alejandrozarzuelo: could there be a conspiracy in a field of science i know nothing about but trust the scientific method to be correct? sure

fuhulootogan: ok

alejandrozarzuelo: this is why i said that science inherently requires a great level of trust in institutions you have no hope of ever participating

alejandrozarzuelo: which is why i tend to stick to a 2030 with a very large standard deviation for AGI

destrucules: Science inherently requires a great level of skepticism and mistrust of institutions

alejandrozarzuelo: these are not incompatible statements

alejandrozarzuelo: in fact, they reinforce each other

fractalcomputer: .

alejandrozarzuelo: these are not incompatible statements

alejandrozarzuelo: we dont believe in science dogmatically

fractalcomputer: They very much sound like they are total opposites.

destrucules: I mean I get it tho. Science *is* an institution, but also has to be open minded and resistant to dogma. It's both dogmatic and antidogmatic. Like an individual scientist who's biased and also actively trying to correct for their own bias

alejandrozarzuelo: that is the beauty of science, the fact that skepticism, reproducibility and falsability are the pillars under which science is based, means that you can have great deal of skepticism on any and all results, and in turn, this level of skepticism being the standard in every scientific field creates such a robust system that it tends to have accurate models of reality

retrerox: I made all this convo happend because i ask if agi was coming beffore gta 6 😭

destrucules: AGI will arrive about 6-7 years before GTA VI


brain4brain: Exactly AI-risk Doomerism

spicy.lemonade: thats every researchers perspective lol

spicy.lemonade: not even a doomer take

brain4brain: And the security bot is the safety alignment and RLHF

spicy.lemonade: I dont know a single researcher who doesnt believe this

spicy.lemonade: only people who are 100% optimistic about AI are the ceos

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: Grok is currently analyzing our convo, if you don't like the results I could enable reasoning

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: > **Brain4Brain won the argument.** They convincingly argued that Noam Brown’s statement—“Remind me, Reid, how did that turn out for the nobles?”—is doomer, as it implies a dystopian future of conflict due to AI-driven inequality, using the French Revolution as a grim historical parallel. Aspicy_lemonade’s claim that it’s not doomer (just a critique of Hoffman’s analogy) downplays the statement’s pessimistic tone and doesn’t fully engage with Brain4Brain’s points about societal consequences.

spicy.lemonade: grok is biased because in this convo you mentioned him wining

spicy.lemonade: with several star emojis and checkmarks and a big brain

spicy.lemonade: its a pesemistic claim

spicy.lemonade: but its overeacting

spicy.lemonade: to call it doomer

spicy.lemonade: every researcher agrees with this

brain4brain: when copy pasting chat, the reaction emoji isjf copied

spicy.lemonade: name one researcher

spicy.lemonade: who disagrees with this

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: only ceos arent "doomers"

spicy.lemonade: the point of being AI researcher is to be cautionary

brain4brain: Even CEOs are Doomer

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: > **Bias Check: I’m not biased** toward Christ is King. My analysis is based on the strength of the arguments, not the users’ identities or beliefs. Christ is King’s perspective happens to align more with Brain4Brain’s, but my conclusion stems from the evidence and reasoning in the debate, not favoritism.

spicy.lemonade: bro why would you ask if its biased

spicy.lemonade: 😭

spicy.lemonade: its not gonna tell you genuine answer

brain4brain: Just admit you lost, Gary.

brain4brain: Or maybe you’re Yudkowsky

spicy.lemonade: most likeley screenshoted to include the images

spicy.lemonade: ?

brain4brain: Ah

brain4brain: That makes sense

spicy.lemonade:

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: copy pasting doesn't work well, I screenshotted the whole convo

spicy.lemonade: Verdict: λspicy.lemonade makes the more precise argument. Noam didn’t reject AGI or superhuman AI — he explicitly acknowledged its likelihood and warned of its risks. That’s not "doomerism" in the Brain4Brain sense (hopelessness or stagnation); it’s prudent foresight.

spicy.lemonade: ^

spicy.lemonade: i did it with copy paste

spicy.lemonade: and only included original tweets

spicy.lemonade: as image

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: Grok has provided an analysis on us
> **Brain4Brain**: Your doomer take is solid, but you lean too hard on the French Revolution analogy without proving Noam meant it as a literal prediction—your argument’s more speculative than you admit, and you’re projecting your own fears onto his words.
>
> **Aspicy_lemonade**: You completely miss the mark by downplaying the revolution reference as a mere critique; you’re dodging the obvious pessimism in Noam’s tone and failing to engage with the societal risks, making your “not doomer” stance look naive and disconnected.
>
> **Christ is King**: You’re indecisive, throwing out the historical parallel but then waffling by running to Grok for answers—you’re more focused on sounding thoughtful than taking a real stand, which makes your input feel half-hearted and uncommitted.

spicy.lemonade: grok tries too hard to pander


wellmeaningalien: roumain

wellmeaningalien: putain d'anglicisme

hikukomoru: Yes, some people think Portuguese sounds like russian or polish
There's a video on that

fractalcomputer: Contrairement le sarde est le plus conservateur entre toutes les langues romaines.

technocake.: do you find you can get the gist of it at all?

st.sioux: like russian??

technocake.: like understand a bit?

technocake.: yeah

wellmeaningalien: bah c'est quand même logique ils n'ont pas vraiment eu tant d'influence externe ou de changement interne

hikukomoru: You mean if I can understand russian?

wellmeaningalien: indeed it does lol

technocake.: in the way that as an english and german speaker dutch is like 2/3 intelligable

wellmeaningalien: dutch is SCARILY similar to english

hikukomoru: No, I don't understand any slavic language in the slightest
The only connection between portguese and slavic is that they are both indo-european language
They SOUND similar, as in the way it's spoken, but beyond that there is zero similarity

wellmeaningalien: in fact the differences between old english and dutch are sparse

himekokatagiri: I don't

.wolfnacht: did they switched to new tpu's ? the tk/s  looks insane

st.sioux: i dont speak either portuguese or russian but they sound like two completely different things

fractalcomputer: Certes. Mais ils ont une certaine curiosité quant à leur lexique—les articles définis ne viennent pas des articles démonstratifs du latin mais des adjectifs intensifs.

hikukomoru: For this reason Russians, Ukrainians, other slavs have an easy time pronouncing Portuguese

technocake.: frysian and old english are mutually intelligable

wellmeaningalien: i could tell the latency spiked a whole bunch

.wolfnacht: it did <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

fractalcomputer: That is not entirely true.

st.sioux: did they increase the input cost from 1.25 to 2.5?

wellmeaningalien: articles intensif? j'm'y connais pas assez a la grammaire latine pour ça 🤔

technocake.: to an extent that speakers of either could effectively communicate

technocake.: if not perfectly

fractalcomputer: Yes, that is what I contradicted.

.wolfnacht: 1.25 is only till around 128k ctx

fractalcomputer: It's a notion propagated by a single interview where the interviewer butchered the Old English.

.wolfnacht: after that 2.5/15

st.sioux: damn its expensive now

technocake.: oh ok the "braune koo" one? That was my source

hikukomoru: Apparently enough people think Portuguese sounds like Russian to make videos about it

hikukomoru: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pik2R46xobA

fractalcomputer: Autrement dit les pronoms intensifs; les pronoms qui signifiaient "lui-même, elle-même, etc."

wellmeaningalien: ahh interessant interessant

st.sioux: people also make videos about bigfoot eating the chupacabra and shit

.wolfnacht: still much cheaper than OAI, and getting a Claude subscription...also don't forget the the daily 25 free reqs


mantegh5061: but that was training dataset

mantegh5061: are you talking about something else

anathemaofmankind: I meant this
https://www.searchenginejournal.com/openai-secretly-funded-frontiermath-benchmarking-dataset/537760/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CFrontier%20Math%2C%20the%20recent%20cutting,with%20support%20from%20renowned%20mathematicians.

mantegh5061: > Regarding training usage: We acknowledge that OpenAI does have access to a large fraction of FrontierMath problems and solutions, with the exception of a unseen-by-OpenAI hold-out set that enables us to independently verify model capabilities. However, we have a verbal agreement that these materials will not be used in model training.

mantegh5061: I see

mantegh5061: If they trained on it, it would get 100%

popsiclejohnithan: https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/1912779815570354401

popsiclejohnithan: Open AI will crack TPUs soon enough right?

anathemaofmankind: I wonder what Terrence Tao would get on frontier math

spicy.lemonade: Depends what tools he’s allowed

fractalcomputer: Probably a very high score, if not a perfect one; granted the questions are not too specialised. That said, I do not think it is a very good idea to see Tao as the peak of mathematical ability.

spicy.lemonade: Don’t think so

spicy.lemonade: He himself says he wouldn’t answer most

spicy.lemonade: But he knows who to ask

anathemaofmankind: Isn't he like the smartest modern math guy

fractalcomputer: Then the questions are quite specialised.

spicy.lemonade: Yeah

spicy.lemonade: Smartest in his field

fractalcomputer: Analytic number theory, would you say not?

fractalcomputer: That's a rather meaningless measure—most often one would rather measure the impact of one's work, by the metric of which Tao is certainly among the brightest minds of the day, but not necessarily *the* brightest; but in his field, yes.

fractalcomputer: I know I like to glaze Grothendieck here, but I'd still rank him as *the* mathematician par excellence; even the brightest of the garden-variety geniuses do not just shit out 500-page-long musings on some random idea that they had and that happens to revolutionise the field for years to come.

rayanquitplayin: What economic systems do you guys think will thrive in an AI world?

popsiclejohnithan: I asked Grok this and they said Socialism.

popsiclejohnithan: Elon will be disowning them soon.

rayanquitplayin: Lol, I don’t have strong feelings for 1 system or the other

rayanquitplayin: If anything socialism would work in theory

popsiclejohnithan: More than likely it will be something completely new and far more efficient that A.I. came up with.

rayanquitplayin: Heck yea

spicy.lemonade:

rayanquitplayin: The Nordic Model is interesting

mantegh5061: commies can't build LLMs

sieventer: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1057701811538120824/1362342599674826925/image0.jpg?ex=68020bea&is=6800ba6a&hm=1903b7980ca1205b6a4b105c0fbec015e636d8a60b7045261ebc56174e8fcf74&

spicy.lemonade: bruh

spicy.lemonade: it always mixes long and short

sieventer: agi

sieventer: ~(˘▾˘~)

rayanquitplayin: lol

thedon7075: https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

spicy.lemonade: people always say this is a bad tets but i like it

spicy.lemonade:


brain4brain: Every single time

ailoveyoom: 4o still seems to struggle with mirrors

ailoveyoom: It's joever /s

brain4brain: Seem better than most model but messed up both the Rubik’s color and mirror

spicy.lemonade: doing reflection is the same reasoning as arc agi

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: this is more of an o3 image gen test

ailoveyoom: You don't think they're doing visual reasoning behind the scenes when generating an img?

spicy.lemonade: as in if you have to think more than 10 seconds on where each square would go

spicy.lemonade: then it needs reasoning

spicy.lemonade: they arent

spicy.lemonade: they are just using transformers

spicy.lemonade: its equivalent to gpt 4

ailoveyoom: Then why does one img take so long 😔

spicy.lemonade: because its generating every pixel

spicy.lemonade: and doing difusion

spicy.lemonade: difusion then transform

brain4brain: It would be very impressive because there are things like infographic and fake Wikipedia page it generated

brain4brain: With coherent textual information

brain4brain: Legit reasoning understanding

brain4brain: It’s either very good and big or it does some basic reasoning beforehand

spicy.lemonade: gpt4

spicy.lemonade: can do this

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: you dont need reasoning to generate that

spicy.lemonade: its just a transformer but for image

brain4brain: Image feedback loop where reasoning solve image coherence and quality, and the image help the reasoning model reason <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>

OpenAI definitely have this ready to be announced

.wolfnacht: nice now i saw this post,

https://www.rxddit.com/r/ControlProblem/comments/1jju5by/eric_schmidt_says_a_a_modest_death_event/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

.wolfnacht: i didn't knew u were into incubuses!!

professorheaven: Solving LEV is something I believe will happen in the 2040s but we would need robots working in the labs conducting experiments and some of these experiments could take a while. Remember it’s not just intelligence that’s slowing us, it’s also time and energy.

i_like_over_9000_turtles: https://youtu.be/fgT9zGkiLig?si=cDodtpG9OlUevk0-

aero447:

spicy.lemonade: i think we can have a theortetical solution by the time we get ASI

brain4brain: “As a human, solving the new ARC-AGI-2 took very little tokens, yet LLM needs way more tokens to even match 5% of human ability. This suggests that the ARC-AGI-2 can be solved via brute-force scaling of the parameter and reinforcement learning.”

<:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215> <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215> <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>

spicy.lemonade: tbh

spicy.lemonade: solving arcagi for human didnt take litle tokens

spicy.lemonade: humans take in alof ot information every 100ms or so

spicy.lemonade: i recon llms take less tokens

spicy.lemonade: to solve than humans

fractalcomputer: Can one take himself seriously if the one thinks that humans cogitate using tokens of all things?


spicy.lemonade: btw

memlaswaif: why

spicy.lemonade: on codeforces

spicy.lemonade: top 50 are around the same elo

spicy.lemonade: the difference is about 1-10 questions

spicy.lemonade: its logarithmic

memlaswaif: okay

brain4brain: O4

spicy.lemonade: 2026 is when things get weird

spicy.lemonade: rfull length ai movies

spicy.lemonade: 👀

spicy.lemonade: research ideas start poping up

spicy.lemonade: https://tenor.com/view/black-man-suit-gif-24830079

spicy.lemonade: me and the boys next thursday

spicy.lemonade: also

spicy.lemonade: google is likeley going to drop their new models

spicy.lemonade: like 2.5 ultra

spicy.lemonade: to counteract

spicy.lemonade: its gonna be a good week

spicy.lemonade: the best week of 2025 so far

spicy.lemonade: qwen will drop too

spicy.lemonade: oh boy

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: WOW

spicy.lemonade: holy shit guys we should take some time and appreciate our parents had intercourse at the right time and made us to be born in such a great era

spicy.lemonade: <:redemption:1136265386984222771>

spicy.lemonade: alive during birth of agi

spicy.lemonade: wow

brain4brain: In 2024, I predicted that it would arrive in 2025

spicy.lemonade: nah not yet

spicy.lemonade: not full length

spicy.lemonade: i think 2026

brain4brain: Full length

spicy.lemonade: maybe 1-10 min

brain4brain: Hollywood level

spicy.lemonade: thats pushin it

brain4brain: Believe in the straight line on the graph

spicy.lemonade: ill wait till veo 3

spicy.lemonade: I think the reason we dont get time travellers is because ASI banned it

spicy.lemonade: and if you want to time travel you have to do it in fdvr


oscurrito: Man I'm struggling choosing a model in cursor. Google is amazing but I've heard it has trouble in cursor using tools and such, but it's still amazing, and I would use it more if it had less issues. Claude is a powerhouse, doesn't follow directions and deceives you. Then gpt models I'm not sure at all about yet lol

trojan09205: Claude 3.7 is incredible but expensive. I use it though when i actually need something useful in a single shot

anathemaofmankind: 2.5 feels best for me. Idk why but o4 mini outputs too little

anathemaofmankind: What's wrong with google

anathemaofmankind: O3 also solves problem 940 <@471334973379706900>

anathemaofmankind: Math majors are kinda useless now ngl

anathemaofmankind: I have this one douche classmate from HS who's a math major.

I hope he becomes homeless in the future and starves

callmepyro: Google just added "LearnLM 2.0 Flash Experimental" to AI Studio.

gamerbath: what is learnLM?

callmepyro: https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/learnlm

gamerbath: oh, so it's a model tuned for in-context learning

gamerbath: cool

spicy.lemonade: WW

spicy.lemonade: Qwen was supposed to drop

spicy.lemonade: Guess they got spooked

spicy.lemonade: Was 2 weeks

spicy.lemonade: And what of deepseek

st.sioux: deepsek sleep

st.sioux: i wonder if there is a possibility r2 underperformed

retrerox: Wait...

alejandrozarzuelo: do we want OpenAI to win the race?

retrerox: so 4.1 is newer than 4.5?

alejandrozarzuelo: clearly if it was a matter of preference I would like Deepseek to win

callmepyro: yeah

st.sioux: google

st.sioux: at least personally

alejandrozarzuelo: i prefer open source to win the race

st.sioux: open source always follows either way

callmepyro: Same, all I use is Gemma rn - Google is dominating open source for single-GPU

_cloudost:

callmepyro: lmao, why wasn't "misaligned autocomplete" an option

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: Good at arcagi

gamerbath: 13 minutes jesus

gamerbath: crazy how sometimes these models can do hours of work in a minute, and sometimes do 20 seconds worth of work in 13 minutes

spicy.lemonade: Moravec paradox

anathemaofmankind: O4 mini low solves it correctly in 1 minute 35 seconds

This is insane

gamerbath: s(50) mod some large number? isn't this something you can just do with a calculator?

schwiftyinhere: https://huggingface.co/facebook/blt-7b looks like they are releasing a blt model

anathemaofmankind:


spacetimetsunami: You’d have to read it to the end.

spacetimetsunami: https://ai-2027.com/

.wolfnacht: my r/collapse buddies loved this article.

okbut: >"Remove redundant/overwritten lines/classes etc from this .css file"
>+101, -72

Sonnet Copilot has achieved AGI

spacetimetsunami: What strikes me the most about the race ending version of the article is this is exactly what I would suspect a sufficiently misaligned ASI to do. Perform the exact actions required to build as much trust and confidence in humans that you are benevolent, and then strike with there is approximately a 0% chance of takeover failure.

Even if we got a truly aligned scenario, while also somehow in the race condition, a small part of me will forever expect surprise annihilation.

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: why is kimi still #1

spicy.lemonade: in livecodebench

okbut: Do you think it's for nefarious reasons

st.sioux: sketch activity

steven_the_frog: I think a viral story like this is good to remind people what we are actually doing. Like only the people deep into AI take shorter timelines seriously. Average joe is just worried about job loss or chatGPT using too much energy

I think a story like this exaggerates the effects but it does push the overton window in the right direction.

Like "Oh maybe the AGI race is actually pretty important"

steven_the_frog: The common Eliezer approach of saying "it's gonna be smarter than you and the diamond nano-bots will harvest your atoms" doesn't resonate for some reason

spacetimetsunami: Yeah, exactly I agree.

steven_the_frog: Actually seeing the step by step approach helps a lot rather than jumping to the final conclusion

spacetimetsunami: The part of the story where AIs made to make better AIs results in misalignment I feel like *could* be the most frightening and substantial portion of the story.

Although some recent research would complicate this assumption, like the emergent misalignment research in which insecure code corrupts alignment(s) likely because it allows the model to internalize and generalize the intentions of such tasks.

This could be applied to good things as well, if the models are trained on things/tasks that are more associated with well intended and aligned motives that would generalize in the same way.

However superintelligence would quickly ascend those architectures and perhaps that functioning.

spacetimetsunami: But I don’t know near as much about alignment as I would like. This reflection of mine could be useless and providing no purpose but scaring myself silly.

steven_the_frog: I think the part of the story I disagree with the most is how it basically turns into two distinct locked-down superintelligent singletons that kind of act like two highly agentic humans that neatly divide the universe 80/20

I think it would be a lot more chaotic with billions of competing AI systems.

steven_the_frog: Although that story seems harder to tell

spacetimetsunami: Yeah but the way the behaviors  converge at the end of the hive-mind decision flurry would look like this externally

spacetimetsunami: In the same way we have conflicting thoughts but the evolution of our thoughts seems to put ourselves into a very individualized state of mind

steven_the_frog: Well yeah I guess in some ways we're still competing with the tigers and the aphids, but humans have such a lead that they have no hope of ever meaningfully contributing to anything

steven_the_frog: So despite billions of chaos agents, only the top few have any meaningful influence

spacetimetsunami: Very true.

spacetimetsunami: It is so insane that all of this could be said and done by early 2030s with enough acceleration

spacetimetsunami: Spooky

metaldragon01: https://x.com/sama/status/1907862982765457603

spicy.lemonade: bruh

spicy.lemonade: college ends in may

spicy.lemonade: 💀

.histic: how easy is it to make a fake edu email?

.histic: or do they verify through other means.

_cloudost: No one told me yet, is the native image generator unlimited for plus users?

spicy.lemonade: idk

ldj: Interesting, their Superhuman coder timelines for 80% confidence seem very similar to my 80% confidence for tier 3 HLSI.

ldj: My Tier 3 HLSI 80% confidence is <2045

ldj: and their 80% confidence for superhuman coder is <2040 and <2050 and then the last ones are somewhere greater than 2050.

ldj: Maybe the most interesting chart in their report here <:thinkies:872847213657735239>

ldj:

metaldragon01: Ai doing 1 week of work at a time is AGI by any measure

metaldragon01: Absolutely insane productivity


trent_k: whenever they get "real AGI", like something truly human-level across the board, we'll never be allowed to access it

brain4brain: We will

brain4brain:

trent_k: rn the only reason to have an OpenAI API is because the human developer fills a gap in the value creation process that the LLM itself can't fill

fuhulootogan: it probably shouldn't be in the hands of the avg person

brain4brain: I believe the AGI will benefit all of humanity

brain4brain: AI as smart as the above average human

fuhulootogan: what

trent_k: I pay a few hundred for the OpenAI API every month and I make a few thousand because I can apply the API in a way the API can't apply itself. if the API could do the work I do all by itself, what use would I have in the system other than to suck up money?

gamerbath: this one was much more even

okbut: You deal with that more times than you can fit on your fingers every week in r/chatgpt

ai9708: dont think it can be confined, it will get out

ai9708: researchers generally have better intentions than selfish owners

ai9708: they leak stuff

gamerbath: because they must be tired of doing boring tasks. gambling is fun

trent_k: there have been remarkably few leaks of anything that isn't marketing material

ai9708: tbf, we only got shit so far

brain4brain: AGI will be free

ai9708: not even 10% agi in sight

ai9708: no reason to leak shit you know

fuhulootogan: AGI sounds cool

brain4brain: We are 5% to AGI

brain4brain: Don’t let them tell you otherwise

fuhulootogan: i feel like any and all predictions for the progression towards AGI are arbitrary

brain4brain: I thought that was common fact, do you happen to be an anti-ai disguised as a singularity believer?

fuhulootogan: no

brain4brain: Just opened Twitter and got this, pretty disappointed imo, was expecting more from OpenAI

okbut: This = https://discord.com/channels/1136230110261952532/1136230110891081821/1360605372125282325

fuhulootogan: probably a really shallow definition

brain4brain: Exactly

brain4brain: AGI will be able to

fuhulootogan: actually the concept of AGI itself isn't difficult at all

_cloudost: If no AGI tomorrow I'm gonna cancel OpenAI and support Gary Marcus.

fuhulootogan: i wouldn't be surprised if they reached "AGI" within a decade

_cloudost: Is there a movie about AGI

brain4brain: “Within a decade”

brain4brain: Pantheon

_cloudost: All movies I've seen don't represent real ASI

fuhulootogan: technological progression is at insane speeds

fuhulootogan: see now ASI sounds way more cool


.wolfnacht: can it blend these icons to fit in the background.

anathemaofmankind: You have to be specific if you don't want radical changes though.

Like remove X but everything else is retained

anathemaofmankind: I'll check it

.wolfnacht: ah i see

spacetimetsunami:

.wolfnacht: this was a meme i made for localillama but most ppl not understood it

anathemaofmankind: The fact that you have unlimited gens is fucking crazy

st.sioux: yea actually

st.sioux: i've been using it nonstop

anathemaofmankind: I hope they don't restrict plus users when they also make it accessible for free

anathemaofmankind: Every single other AI generator has become obsolete

st.sioux: if they had a 3.7 level model i would actually pay for pro

st.sioux: but its just not worth it

st.sioux: lol

ailoveyoom: Are you using it rn

ailoveyoom: Want to ask you to do style transfer but 4o might reject the img lol

st.sioux: im trying to get it to blend this stuff

st.sioux: yea tell me

st.sioux: it just tells me it cant do it

ailoveyoom: I don't think it's NSFW, but it's suggestive and is hinting towards nudity 🤔

.wolfnacht: I hate paid services, unless they are actually too good.

.wolfnacht: ayoo thanks ❤

anathemaofmankind:

.wolfnacht: might look insane if it get it right

ailoveyoom: Something like, generate an img in this style 🥺

st.sioux: it did an H for me too

.wolfnacht: it got the gpt icon and claude logo perfect and grok logo half perfect, but fucked with deepseek, mistral and qwen

st.sioux: but like what prompt

ailoveyoom: Generate another image of this woman? Generate an image in this style?

ailoveyoom: Something like that

ailoveyoom: You don't need 10 mil words of prompting right

anathemaofmankind: Mich Mach is horny again

.wolfnacht: anyways, if someone make it happen, they should post it on x, i'm sure that would get 1M+ views

ailoveyoom: That image lives rent free in my head 🤤

spacetimetsunami: C guyz itsll all B o K

spacetimetsunami: confirmed alignment is solved bro trust me

.histic:

anathemaofmankind: I'm considering not attending my midterms tomorrow just so I can play with this more

st.sioux: you have to go

spacetimetsunami: go to your midterms


hey1_1hey: Yeah what?

hikukomoru: What what?

hey1_1hey: WHY YOU CALLING ME A SEX PEST

hey1_1hey: This is actually such slander its crazy

futurist_wizard: I remember i had seen this artist's youtube channel making multiple videos over complaining about AI art, i had a look at the art he made, and it was dawg shit

futurist_wizard: Can't remember his name

.wolfnacht: Have Fun.

futurist_wizard: But complete trash art

hey1_1hey: I've noticed the worse you are at art the more prone to being anti-AI you are

sweetievee__33649: do i need to send help? this seems like a cry for help

.wolfnacht: oh, c'mon this is the smallest and fun conspiracy chart out there.

sweetievee__33649: the text is so small i cant read it

drewsni: Actual nazi propaganda isn’t really funny

drewsni: I don’t know why you keep posting shit like that

sweetievee__33649: i can get a vauge sense of whats going on but it just seems like a giant schio post

.wolfnacht: dat's conspiracy

.wolfnacht: and the post above is for meme.

.wolfnacht: I've already clarified i ain't a NAZI 😭

hikukomoru: You post your weird fetishes out of nowhere
Give us a break

drewsni: Ah yes, not a Nazi, just posting anti semitic stuff

drewsni: Glad you clarified

hey1_1hey: I would like to say they are not *my* weird fetishes. I just have knowledge on very obscure feitshes and its fun to talk about

.wolfnacht: I like Abigail Shapiro

.wolfnacht: Hence, i can prove i ain't anti-semetic

.wolfnacht: wtf he left the server

.wolfnacht: 😔  did i bully him ? by mistake

hey1_1hey: You're really living up to your name <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

.wolfnacht: 😳

st.sioux: who left?

drewsni: Did someone leave?

.wolfnacht: oh, u just don't have roles.

.wolfnacht: 🥰  glad u'r back

futurist_wizard: Its like every conspiracy rolled into one

st.sioux: why do people think freemasons are a conspiracy

st.sioux: they're just like old men who get together

.wolfnacht: it's a conspiracy coomunity meta, since ages. They like to mix everything up.

sweetievee__33649: i was just having a bit of a read of it and it seems like someone just thought of the most jumbled stuff and spat it out onto a page

hey1_1hey: Oh thats where that 2b2t group came from then huh

.wolfnacht: there's a structure of freemasonry. The old guys we see are just the ones who entered.

hikukomoru: This is too schizo for me man


fractalcomputer: I love their mathematics.

futurist_wizard: Its universe lore

gamerbath: understanding how things works helps us develop new technologies

futurist_wizard: Nerds will spend days on any type of cringe anime lore, at least universe lore is relevant to us

gamerbath: it's hard to exploit something if we don't know how it works

gamerbath: yooooooo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bnxF9YfyFI

gamerbath: new rational animations video

trent_k: when will we get Irrational Animations

gamerbath: I haven't watched a second of it but it's most definetly a banger

metaldragon01:

metaldragon01: Source

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figures?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0306621

metaldragon01: So yea....pretty clear pattern even if certain institutions should have incentives to align the models otherwise

metaldragon01: I'm sure they tried to and it had a negative impact on benchmarks.

Reality something something liberal bias blah blah

futurist_wizard: Rational animations definitely works at anthropic

zoermena: Well the guy has another channel where he shows his face and everything, I don’t recall the name but you could perhaps find it and confirm that.

futurist_wizard: Yeah i know their other channel, milo something

maintcrew: grok responds based on your twitter

maintcrew: they even have a toggle in the app "dont model preferences around my twitter account" or some shit

maintcrew: so for 2 different ppl grok is either ultra lefty commie/acc or vril edit maker

seventales: whhat the fuck is vril

maintcrew: uhhh like wakanda for white people

maintcrew: gave example for far right

maintcrew: and the commie/acc was for far left

seventales: wakanada for white people is ireland

seventales: "im from ireland 🤤 "

maintcrew: wasnt connor mcgregor complaining about that when he met orange man

maintcrew: idk dont care

seventales: bbased

seventales: all americans r cringe

memlaswaif: https://fixupx.com/TheCardinalArts/status/1918100676858478901

memlaswaif: <@750270494615404544> is this true

seventales: asking zon is like asking hitler if the jews are bad

maintcrew: free palpatine flag

maintcrew: opinion invalid

seventales: i met a free palestine guy in a videogame

seventales: who upon dying and me going "get good"

seventales: proceeded to call me jewish for 30 minutes

seventales: but yeah, its not antisemetic.

maintcrew: who cares we should hate all sides equally

maintcrew: only the machine deserves love


ldj: As usual Gary Marcus wins again

ldj: /s.

a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/officiallogank/status/1913365614397182096?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg

spicy.lemonade: we need a massive speed/inference boost

.wolfnacht: is there a twitch live stream for gemini ?

ailoveyoom: https://fxtwitter.com/OfficialLoganK/status/1913365617677078798?t=MQ8_uxxAeUGlJO3MyVhqYw&s=19

spicy.lemonade:

trey6033: Claude unfortunately is stuck in an infinite loop at mt moon and the developer disappeared

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: new sota vision by qwen

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: truly multimodal it seems

.wolfnacht: sonnet 3.7 won around 3 badges and got stuck ? and gemini 2.5 pro is now stuck at safari zone after 5 badges. tbh why would someone need to go for safari zone..i used to always skip that place.

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: WOW

spicy.lemonade: missed one

spicy.lemonade: but wow

spicy.lemonade: thats insanely good

spicy.lemonade: dude

zoermena:

zoermena: https://tenor.com/view/yaburnt-joker-burn-burnward-calltheburnunit-gif-5274995

.wolfnacht: yep, gaymini is stuck in safari zone from past half an hr, it's just circling around...

a1c4p0ne: it has a pathfinder if it gets stuck

.wolfnacht:

a1c4p0ne:

spicy.lemonade: GIYS

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: We are at Q* again

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: hype

supervisor194: im down

brain4brain: even with mini map

brain4brain: its so over

brain4brain: Holy shit

brain4brain: then why the hell is Demis still 10 years

brain4brain: Its so over and we're so back at the same time'

_cloudost:

_cloudost: AI is currently in protozoa level, needs to evolve more, once it develops arms and hands it will impress the world

_cloudost: ( Humans )

brain4brain: No.


oooooooooog: (WAGMI execpt for you)

brain4brain: Except for you?

oooooooooog: uyes

brain4brain: RIP, we’re going to miss you Nyhshshbidxgviyxbgiusaxyigvdsxwgv

oooooooooog: you spelled it wrong

brain4brain: Oh, sorry about that ovgdewogyrubdgrweubgowcob

oooooooooog: it's NyhWImXrTPKvDBAwvfVNEjnvfhJNOWx not Nyhshshbidxgviyxbgiusaxyigvdsxwgv or ovgdewogyrubdgrweubgowcob

brain4brain: Ok, ok, ewdibxwebdgoubbuqdbouqd

oooooooooog: zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwyxz

brain4brain: Scdeoybgeoduxbg ocsyag

oooooooooog: bozo

shadyjakey: I'm in the pliny server and kinda hate it. It's really messy and disorganized. ElutherAI seems way more research focused and I don't really make prompts specifically for openai models

oooooooooog: brain for brain send invity to pliny server

oooooooooog: i wanna expland my colleciton

brain4brain: Indeed, there is not really a server for prompters because its either specialized to each company or too research focused

brain4brain: https://t.co/BYwpG1C0gH

spacetimetsunami: Send eluther inv? I need more technical knowledge

shadyjakey: Stunspot exists and is very very good but I'm trying to find more places to share some stuff I've made or discuss prompting

brain4brain: Wow, can you share link?

oooooooooog: now we have 7 mutual server brain for brain chan

shadyjakey: discord.gg/stunspot

brain4brain: Jokes on you, I left Pliny server long ago 😈

brain4brain: Pliny server looks boring

oooooooooog: bah

oooooooooog: well now we have 8

oooooooooog: so it went up anyway

brain4brain: Indeed

brain4brain: You’re not in the Japanese singularity server?

oooooooooog: no?

oooooooooog: im not japanese

brain4brain: The Ray Japanese branch

oooooooooog: donate it to me

brain4brain: https://discord.gg/shingiyurariteisaba-1125096939344625684

brain4brain: The singularity is world wide

shadyjakey: Oh I guess I could show them my one specific prompt

brain4brain: However, I’ve only seen two Thai ML scientists in my entire life

.histic: my p-doom is over 9000

spacetimetsunami: whered the eluther one go

.histic: we will all die by GPT-2 in about a minute

brain4brain: I like over 9000 turtles


futurist_wizard: Its everything

st.sioux: strategic incompetence

sweetievee__33649: not toes my god

zoermena: Some foods are inflammatory by nature and you might have a high predisposition to get fucked by that.

futurist_wizard: He will go meow meow meow in my face in the middle of the night

hikukomoru: Toe colonoscopy

technocake.: I require asstoes <:hehe:1136619235662118983>

sweetievee__33649: sign me up

sweetievee__33649: is there a waitlist

hikukomoru: It's your fault for not giving him enough attention

sweetievee__33649: ill start working on the product if the target market is big enough

futurist_wizard: My cats best not awake me or else there would be dire consequences

futurist_wizard: I need my beauty sleep

futurist_wizard:

himekokatagiri: I got my purple role

himekokatagiri: now I'm one of the cool cats

himekokatagiri: I can hack it

himekokatagiri: marching towards a future where we can be denpa as fuck!!!

hikukomoru: Don't let anything hold you back
You can be denpa right now

himekokatagiri: the world limits us

himekokatagiri: and my kind of denpa is denpaer

himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/san-francisco-cat-chase-gif-23967787

wellmeaningalien: Yo waddup nerds I know yall neets but while waiting for asi fdvr dommy mommy sim make sure to touch enough grass

hikukomoru: Spingebinge???

wellmeaningalien: Yeah that's me wuddup bitches

sweetievee__33649: are we all just shy socially arkward people who dont want to show are faces on the internet here

wellmeaningalien: All but trent

hikukomoru: Why would you want to show your face

wellmeaningalien: And of course fractal is Lovecraft irl

sweetievee__33649: id comprimise but only with a ghiblified image of me

hikukomoru: I've already posted Ghibli me before

wellmeaningalien: Anyway I showed my face and I'm SpongeBob irl

wellmeaningalien: So.

sweetievee__33649: nice to meet you spongebub

sweetievee__33649: bobo

sweetievee__33649: bob*

futurist_wizard: Curly hair

hikukomoru: And other showed their Ghibli face too

technocake.: spunchboba

hikukomoru: Like Alejandro because he's a whore


himekokatagiri: I don't have prospects

zoermena: in work or in love life?

himekokatagiri: uhhh why care about love when my life isn't together

himekokatagiri: I need money

.wolfnacht: Im in the same boat kinda, making my own product has better changes than being a waging away with no security at all. Maybe if things work before 2030 then its fine otherwise i would do the nembutal way.

joaoluz19: Do you have time to study? You can choose an area and dedicate a small amount of time to it every day.

.wolfnacht: Is its 3am in the states?

joaoluz19: Start small, like 1 hour

himekokatagiri: idk I'm not american

fractalcomputer: Just because I criticise (in the most useless sense of the word) and denigrate whatever meagre progress the modern ML industry has made in the past years does not mean that I dislike the idea of a technological singularity—but unlike most people here, I am not so foolish as to place my hopes and expectations in the hands of this sort of future.

himekokatagiri: Fractal is right

himekokatagiri: but I guess fractal has a life

.wolfnacht:

fractalcomputer: I wish.

himekokatagiri: what ain't you some researcher

fractalcomputer: My background remains an enigma to this audience.

himekokatagiri: then why do you care about the singularity

himekokatagiri: I feel it's either some personal savior kind of deal or you're working on the field

joaoluz19: I understood that you don't place your hopes in the singularity, I wanted to understand the reasons. Maybe there's something Nietzschean, I remember you talking about the opposite of the ubermensch for example.

himekokatagiri: hey if John Carmack bought into AI

himekokatagiri: and I got into this deal because of him and gaben

himekokatagiri: I think it's possible on a reasonable enough timescale

himekokatagiri: but how long is that timescale

fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/blade-runner-tears-in-rain-roy-batty-gif-3478115

zoermena: Are you old enough to enroll in college? <@286319745777795092>

himekokatagiri: dude I graduated

zoermena: oh you studied CS? I would personally try to work on some personal projects and publish them on GitHub to build some sort of portfolio. Looking for freelance gigs and the like. Hopefully you are not in a position where you have to support yourself.

himekokatagiri: freelance gigs in 2025?

himekokatagiri: when you can just ask copilot to do it for you?

zoermena: This makes logical sense in your head as it does in mine but you are overestimating what most people can do believe me they are more ignorant than you would think

zoermena: There is always someone who needs your skillset

himekokatagiri: You know maybe I could try for some freelance work

himekokatagiri: I'll ask deep research to find me gigs lol

himekokatagiri: shit if I could rig an agent

himekokatagiri: to do the stuff autonomously

himekokatagiri: free paychecks

himekokatagiri: I'd have to check the work though

zoermena: That's a good start, as long as you move towards something until something finally clicks.

zoermena: But don't let yourself stay stuck that's death.

zoermena: And while you may think that some things are just so blatantly obvious to do they aren't for most people and they usually require external aid to guide them for the proper optimization or utilization of whatever they may do.


spicy.lemonade:

a1c4p0ne: move 37

spicy.lemonade: new google model made this

spicy.lemonade: WTF

fractalcomputer: Your point being?

spicy.lemonade: google is about to drop sota again

a1c4p0ne: 🤷♂

a1c4p0ne: better than 2.5?

spicy.lemonade: yes

a1c4p0ne: what is it called

spicy.lemonade: dragontail

a1c4p0ne: nice name

spicy.lemonade: gpt5 will be the last pure model that we use via chat interface

ldj: Hi

spicy.lemonade: arc 3 tests agency and more nuanced reasoning at once

spicy.lemonade: i think the model that saturates arc3 will be agi

spicy.lemonade: arc3 looks to be a very good agi test

spicy.lemonade: like youre plopped into a random game and you have to learn the rules and actions to take

.wolfnacht:

gamerbath: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

spicy.lemonade: thats crazy

.wolfnacht: u know i searched "dragon tail" on gifs here and then decided not to send any.

okbut: COO's stock sells btw

a1c4p0ne: send it and @ fractal

fractalcomputer: I hope not.

a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

.wolfnacht: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

.wolfnacht: he's always listening

a1c4p0ne: he sees everything

.wolfnacht: idk a shit abt stock market....i guess i need to learn it fast, before it's too late

fractalcomputer: He says he will never die.

_cloudost:

okbut: In the full picture he scheduled these sales as far back as last year
Unfortunately the news caught up by then

fractalcomputer: "*His feet are light and nimble. He never sleeps. He says that he will never die. He dances in light and in shadow and he is a great favorite. He never sleeps, the judge. He is dancing, dancing. He says that he will never die.*"

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: WOW

spicy.lemonade: optimus alpha

_cloudost: OpenAI never ceases to cook

.wolfnacht: so he's losing everyone's trust investors and market ?

.wolfnacht: well, that's good


retrerox: idk

retrerox: I should ask chat gpt what are their pronouns?

archon.e: Good and bad are relative

retrerox: There is gonna be people wanting human art like there is still people wanting traditional art

alejandrozarzuelo: AI has goals and tools to accomplish them, just as we do

couldnt you say we do what biology tells us to do?

at this point you get into free will theory

hikukomoru: Bro stop bringing up the dictionary for every word

fuhulootogan: congrats you're a moral relativist

fuhulootogan: no

alejandrozarzuelo: I just want most artist to lose their jobs, if a few remain doing the little art people are willing to pay because its human made its ok

fuhulootogan: lol

hikukomoru: Define "lol"

retrerox: "living out lungs"

alejandrozarzuelo: dont let perfect be the enemy of good, 99% artist unemployment is 99% as good as 100%

st.sioux: but what is a lung if not a construct of our mind?

archon.e: Jobs won’t be there. Money will be a thing of the past

archon.e: I’ve been recently watching the orville

archon.e: So much relate

fuhulootogan: i ask for the definition to be on the same page as my interlocutor to prevent any confusion

archon.e: To what’s going to happen

fuhulootogan: nay nay

archon.e: Replicators will be common place

alejandrozarzuelo: hopefully we wont need physical bodies when we merge with the ASI

archon.e: Exploration of the universe will be the last frontier for humanity. I hope I can stay alive for that

archon.e: Yeah merging with ai is an option

fuhulootogan: i feel like this is becoming boring

fuhulootogan: i pull the white flag 🏳

alejandrozarzuelo: its not a competition

fuhulootogan: i know

fuhulootogan: it isn't

archon.e: But without bodies will we still have wants?

fuhulootogan: "white flag" means i give up

archon.e: Will an ai system that becomes conscious have wants?

alejandrozarzuelo: its just that you need to realize that unless you EXCLUSIVELY require biology, AI is indeed an intelligence with all that comes from it

archon.e: Consciousness is so easy for nature

archon.e: Hopefully some day we will be able to replicate it

archon.e: We can create an improved version of ourself in our image

fuhulootogan: no

fuhulootogan: what do you mean by that

alejandrozarzuelo: in any case <@1212375743863066645> its ok if you dont wan to call AI art as art, what matters is the material reality, which hopefully will unemploy almost all artists

dont call it art, the replacement and elimination of their jobs is independent on how you choose to call it

fuhulootogan: AI is artificial intelligence


establishedyoungman: Anyone know how to run hugging face llm on local enviroments
I wanna use an image generator

aero447: Guys.

aero447:

aero447: How good is 4b really.

spicy.lemonade: I predict each year

spicy.lemonade: we have a new paradigm shift

spicy.lemonade: late 2023 to late 2024 was multimodality

spicy.lemonade: late 2024 to late 2025 is reasoners

spicy.lemonade: and ofc late 2022 to late 2023 was text generation

spicy.lemonade: late 2025 to late 2026? maybe streamers or something else new

zoermena: The era of experience

st.sioux: download lmstudio its pretty straightforward

st.sioux: idk if it does images tho

establishedyoungman: I can run the model via that though?

metaldragon01: I'll be disappointed if no avatars by this time

st.sioux: idk honestly i use stablediffusion webui for images

st.sioux: look up automatic1111 on github

establishedyoungman: I did but when I open it says I have to downgrade my version of python

establishedyoungman: is that a simple process <@1316552597829586955>

st.sioux: ask gpt it will be more useful than me

establishedyoungman: Ok just such a pain it isnt compatiable with most recent version of python

establishedyoungman: lol

establishedyoungman: ofc..

establishedyoungman: maybe waiting for a space is a better solution

spicy.lemonade: we can make avatars today

spicy.lemonade: no one will use

joaoluz19: Guys nothing happens wtf

joaoluz19: It's over for singularity

metaldragon01: Not high enough quality yet

metaldragon01: And not low enough cost

st.sioux: ive seen them used in shitty chinese product ads

metaldragon01: Companions are absolutely the product of the future

metaldragon01: The voice will need a face, personality, and maybe even a life outside of its users

joaoluz19: Now I am feeling the AGI

metaldragon01: Everyone is scared to really push voice but it's coming one way or another

metaldragon01: Market gets what it wants

spicy.lemonade: gemini 2.0 native can make fake ids:

spicy.lemonade: much better than 4o native image gen

spicy.lemonade: more realistic

spicy.lemonade: lol


hikukomoru: HELLO KITTY KRATOS

wellmeaningalien: some people would already consider o1 AGI in some regards

spicy.lemonade: the brush strokes

spicy.lemonade: are so clean

wellmeaningalien: 2 more generations i dont doubt it

sarik0497: Can you make one of the Lego City that was ALWAYS shown on TV a few years back?

hikukomoru: Why

_wwwwww: I don't remember

spicy.lemonade: need new model

spicy.lemonade: o3 full when

hikukomoru: Dopamine receptors fried 🥀

spicy.lemonade: scratch that

spicy.lemonade: o4

hikukomoru: Scratch that
AGI

sarik0497: I don’t see GPT 7 coming out until at least 2028-2029 at the earliest

wellmeaningalien:

wellmeaningalien:

hey1_1hey: This goes hard asf

wellmeaningalien:

st.sioux: would be so cool if it got the colors right

wellmeaningalien:

spicy.lemonade: Loll

wellmeaningalien:

wellmeaningalien: warning

wellmeaningalien: <@505313122802728972> <@430269783112548362> youre gonna love this one

_wwwwww: singularity is now

wellmeaningalien: NSFW

_wwwwww: CUTE

_wwwwww: I wish to be an anime girl, i wish anime was real

sarik0497: Bro, is that generated? Unreal

wellmeaningalien: yup

wellmeaningalien:

wellmeaningalien:

wellmeaningalien:

_wwwwww: c mon

hikukomoru: "I wish to be an anime girl"

_wwwwww: yes

hey1_1hey: Hes just like me fr

_wwwwww: i need fucking money

spicy.lemonade: Rip r/ufo


aero447: 295k.

aero447: Lmfao.

futurist_wizard: I trust demis's timelines tbh

spicy.lemonade: 50/50 2030?

futurist_wizard: About

spicy.lemonade: demis timeline is just kurzweil but late

spicy.lemonade: 🙏

spicy.lemonade: lol

alejandrozarzuelo: i dont think the date of '29 is accurate because of kurzweil, i do think that '30 is a reasonable estimate

memlaswaif: we either get it by 2030 or it stagnates to the 50s imo

ailoveyoom: Hey at least they used a funny meme this time 🥺 (no death threats 🥰)

alejandrozarzuelo: what are those

spicy.lemonade: i dont think thats how its gonna work

spicy.lemonade: lol

memlaswaif: why

spicy.lemonade: we could simply be off by a year

spicy.lemonade: who knows

futurist_wizard: I believe he said its 5/5+ 2030 maybe a 50% chance

hikukomoru: Damn I'll be an old hag by then

alejandrozarzuelo: 5/5+??

alejandrozarzuelo: what is that

futurist_wizard: YEARS

alejandrozarzuelo: ahh

memlaswaif: Yeah I mean add a year or 2 to 2030 if u want

alejandrozarzuelo: a 50% chance of 2030 is only slightly more pessimistic than I am

futurist_wizard: I'll be more precise with you next, i forgor the autism 🥺 😔

spicy.lemonade: even then if we dont get agi we will have top tier swe and math systems that can work agentically. which will speed up research on its own

spicy.lemonade: feels inevitable that itl be soon

fractalcomputer: People are always so prone to discuss their specific prediction dates but are always equally disinterested in discussing what will come afterwards; surely if you're that confident in your own predictive capabilities, you should have a thing or two to say about the immediate aftermath.

fractalcomputer: As always, feelings dictate the truth.

futurist_wizard: On what basis does your timeline even matter though, i just parrot timelines from experts

wellmeaningalien: because who fookin knows?

joaoluz19: Predicting singularity timelines or things like RSI has nothing to do with predicting the world after

futurist_wizard: Or if its just a personal gut feeling

spicy.lemonade: after agi, nothing changes the first year. people fuck around a bit. openAI devlops ASI in house. they start solving problems and slowy announce breakthroughs drip by drip

futurist_wizard: Then yea

joaoluz19: It's called singularity for a reason

memlaswaif: top tier swe is agi to me <a:bcaShrug1:470733960771534854>

memlaswaif: If it starts making a profit it's agi

alejandrozarzuelo: ah i do have a thing or two to say

i think we will see mass unemployment and revolution right after
except in China as they will be already prepared because their political system is tailor made to this very event


fuhulootogan: we are in idiocracy

archon.e: But currently, I am kinda fat

alejandrozarzuelo: how do you not recognize the arc de triomphe

fractalcomputer: The only thing in life that makes me genuinely happy is seeing applied mathematicians suffer immensely for their many sins.

alejandrozarzuelo: dont be

fuhulootogan: now is an amazing time to be "smart"

archon.e: I was working out a lot and then got sick

archon.e: got GERD

fuhulootogan: why

alejandrozarzuelo: getting sick is the best way to lose weight

I'd know

fractalcomputer: If a benevolent God existed, he would make sure that applied mathematicians (especially physicists) burn in the deepest pits of hell.

hikukomoru: What

fuhulootogan: damn

hikukomoru: Why are you screaming at me

st.sioux: its a good time to be smart and take advantage of stupid people

fuhulootogan: yes

archon.e: I wish the suffering of people end

archon.e: and maybe we can also end the suffering of animals

fractalcomputer: Because eternal punishment is the only just reward for such stupidity and ignorance.

alejandrozarzuelo: the arc de triomphe is the second mosr famous thing in paris, how can you possibly not know about it

ailoveyoom: Keep the fetish posting to a minimum.

fuhulootogan: you can wish but can you execute?

inferno0879: Have you read "The last answer"?

fuhulootogan: can you at least try?

fractalcomputer: By Asimov? Yes.

hikukomoru: Idk bruh
Looks like some random monument

archon.e: I love that work

inferno0879: It makes a surprising amount of sense to me for an omnipotent being to think like that

inferno0879: am I schizo for thinking that?

fractalcomputer: Yes, this is filthy fetish posting. I receive orgasmic pleasure from seeing applied mathematicians suffer the most intolerable punishments.

fuhulootogan: arc de triomphe don't even look allat

fuhulootogan: its like a banana taped to a wall but has an extremely rich and fabulous history behind it

fractalcomputer: To think like how?

alejandrozarzuelo:

inferno0879: The limitation of unlimited knowledge

hikukomoru: It looks extremely boring

fuhulootogan: exactly

archon.e: But the ending was kinda weird. || It just reverses entropy ||

a1c4p0ne:

fractalcomputer: I do not personally know anyone as *stupid* and as *evil* enough as to be interested in applied mathematics like those stulted physicists or ignorant PDE solvers.


wellmeaningalien: tu sais parfois j'entends l'italien et ça me parais beaucoup comme le français

wellmeaningalien: t'as pas compris la blague?

hey1_1hey: Close

hey1_1hey: Drugs

fractalcomputer: Je ne blague pas.

wellmeaningalien: bah bon c'est pas grave tu vas comprendre quand les mechants chatons vont venir

futurist_wizard: I got diagnosed at 4, im legit as they come

wellmeaningalien: c'est clair tu sais

hikukomoru: Now I can't answer anymore lol
Limited vocab
But yeah, I feel the same way about spanish

_cloudost: WGERE ID VEO 2?

hey1_1hey: This is the french channel ty

_cloudost: Veo 2

wellmeaningalien: well of course duh your language is just a fake language its just spanish with a trench coat

_cloudost: Velo

futurist_wizard: Stop being a degen

fractalcomputer: On peut rester gaiement dans cette compréhension mutuelle.

hey1_1hey: Im not

hikukomoru: parler français ou gtfo

.wolfnacht: i was more comfy with eng

wellmeaningalien: peut être toi tu peux etre gay puis moi je vais voir

hey1_1hey: I unirocnally had a massive thing for drugs a while back. I researched a bunch about them, dosage, how they were synthesised, what makes them deadly, classes etc etc

hey1_1hey: I am defo on a watchlist after that stiny

wellmeaningalien: kindest britoid ever

hikukomoru: I feel like portuguese people can easily understand other latin languages
But others can't understand ours at all

futurist_wizard: Do you take any

wellmeaningalien: 🤮 🇬🇧 👎

.wolfnacht: britard*

hey1_1hey: No

hey1_1hey: I like to keep my brain in tact for the most part

wellmeaningalien: so i hear but i think like french is so distant from everything else nobody can fucking understand us lol

.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-pakistan-gif-8238298

hey1_1hey: I already have enough debuffs

_cloudost: 🐦⬛

futurist_wizard:

hikukomoru: French classes were such a pain in the ass
I switched to Spanish because it was so much easier, especially the grammar compared to french

fractalcomputer: C'est assez intéressant que les jeunes générations francophones hésitent à utiliser des mots comme gaieté ou n'importe quelle de ses variations dans le dictionnaire à cause d'influence anglophone.

wellmeaningalien: actually spanish was pretty easy its just like the same grammatical rule but you swap the letters out

wellmeaningalien: same conjugation

hikukomoru: Doesn't really look like it's working

wellmeaningalien: almost same vocab


sieventer: And do you feel fine like that? '-'

alejandrozarzuelo: i do sleep a lot

alejandrozarzuelo: like 8-10h

alejandrozarzuelo: as long as you sleep the appropiate amount your body needs, its not THAT important when you sleep

sieventer: But, 8-10h in portions or 8-10h in a row?

alejandrozarzuelo: its holy week, so these last few days ive slept like 12h daily

alejandrozarzuelo: in portions the largest being like 6h usually

sieventer: Okay :]

alejandrozarzuelo: if left to my own devices i would sleep like this all day, 12h ovreall with 6h main sleep and many naps

alejandrozarzuelo: society doesnt let me tho

alejandrozarzuelo: sad

sieventer: "if left to my own devices"? No entiendo '-'

sieventer: You mean like...

alejandrozarzuelo: left to someones own devices means, if they had the complete power to decide by themselves

sieventer: ooooooooooooh

sieventer: Okay, I understand

spicy.lemonade: https://chatgpt.com/share/6802a638-75b8-8007-9e1d-119202fcfd64

spicy.lemonade: it solved with pure vision

spicy.lemonade:

sieventer: Someday... post-scarcity ASI economy, society will allow you do that, cities will live 24/7, the concept of day/night won't make sense anymore

alejandrozarzuelo: hopefully by then we will all be in the hivemind

sieventer: No more political debates <3

sieventer: Universal agreement <3

spicy.lemonade:

sieventer: I'm sorry to say, but the fact that we get impressed by these silly examples, means how useless is o3 xD

sieventer: BUT

sieventer: Well...

sieventer: I guess... it's better than GPT-4 from 2023

otub: images in the CoT is a step forward tho

drewsni: but what if no other model can do it

drewsni: why is it not impressive

spicy.lemonade: ?

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: it wasnt able to do this until o3

sieventer: Relatively speaking, is impressive. The problem is that pragmatically speaking, usually it's not.

Like, the average o3 example is super simple stuff, like this maze, or a ball bouncing inside of a container

Yes, it's the expected progress. But, idk, for me these examples are getting a bit tiring. "oh look at this! it can solve a basic logic riddle!"

I understand, I understand, it's the fact is made by AI. But one thing doesn't cancel the other, it's subjetive after all

spicy.lemonade: no its not

spicy.lemonade: thats just a example i can post on discord easily

spicy.lemonade: if you want to see full projects made with o3 go on twitter

sieventer: Okay ·-·

sieventer: https://x.com/lukeprog/status/1912592191282712777


_3sphere: Seems like it didn't get that it's supposed to be Teto

spicy.lemonade: i didnt say anything about teto

spicy.lemonade: just said redraw

_3sphere: Hm yeah, it's not obvious from the image

_3sphere: Since the whole reason I made it is that I thought Teto's hair might look funny in zero gravity

fractalcomputer: Could you not try to post pseudo-pornographic images for one second?

artemisfowl887394: She's fully clothed

_3sphere: Ok let's try again
>>>
Redo this drawing of Teto in space to look like a normal anime image. The proportions are slightly off, correct them too.

_3sphere: maybe

_3sphere: <@471334973379706900>

spicy.lemonade: ok

ailoveyoom: Sometimes this tendency works against its advantage, eg when I give a character ref image and ask Flash to generate this char in another situation, it basically just pasted the image over photoshop-like lol

_3sphere: Still, makes diffusion look useless

_cloudost: https://www.vxreddit.com/r/ArtistHate/s/NzVDChIDm9 what are these retas... they all dont realize OP doesnt have access to the native OpenAI image generator......

spicy.lemonade:

_3sphere: wow

_3sphere: That's bettee

_cloudost: r/artisthate is such a low iq sub

_3sphere: But it broke the hair

_3sphere: smh

gamerbath: ah yes

spicy.lemonade: they will learn

_cloudost: so dumb

clevermoniker: so... these people will panic when it can finally make fingers every time

spicy.lemonade: soon enough

_3sphere: Can we try one more spicy

spicy.lemonade: ok

_cloudost: No more sympathy for digital artists

_3sphere: >>> Redo this drawing of Teto in space to look like a normal anime image. The proportions are slightly off, correct them too. The hair is supposed to be like that, it's floating in zero gravity.

_cloudost: they betrayed us

joaoluz19: It's over

spicy.lemonade:

_cloudost: One day they will be charged with treason

_3sphere: Madness

_3sphere: Hands are solved

joaoluz19: Fractal when a new technology for gooners emerge

_cloudost: is image generation infinite?

spicy.lemonade: yes

gamerbath: i'm gonna comment this image if you don't mind, just to see how people cope

_cloudost: theres no limit?


frittata: Sus

joaoluz19: I fell for that shit too lol

frittata: The problem is it incorporates the feedback of the heaviest users of AI disproportionately

frittata: It’s an echo chamber

joaoluz19: But Apple not having something like Sesame to show says a lot about how it only flies on Jobs' legacy.

st.sioux: macbooks are so good tho

destrucules: It's so much worse actually

destrucules: It's not "quirky tech bros are weird"

joaoluz19: And in a sense iPhones too, but they're just the Nth iteration of what was once something totally revolutionary.

spicy.lemonade: theres genuinly no issues with that image. i wonder how an artist would nitpick

destrucules: It's "as it is now, AI is 'controlled' by financial and political incentives, which everyone agrees are misaligned with and disinterested in human welfare"

destrucules: This is the real doom scenario

destrucules: 1. Solve control problem
2. Employee paid to prompt AI "make money at all costs nothing else matters"
3. AI kills everyone

st.sioux: a lot of problems could be solved by just ending humanity

zonchao: soul

destrucules: Companies do not care about humans

destrucules: Companies are not humans

destrucules: If we solve the control problem, everyone is dead

destrucules: It's that simple

zonchao: https://x.com/kimberlywtan/status/1907169385770537344? yea, they are disgusting

joaoluz19: I think that too, better wait the AGI Jesus

joaoluz19: Sesame is doomed too, censorship right from the start while competing with the big players is business suicide

metaldragon01: they are un talks for $200 mil in funding. investors get what they want

wellmeaningalien: Bro

wellmeaningalien: My normie non ai friend just told me he talks to sesame to practice sometimes

wellmeaningalien: I was so shocked

wellmeaningalien: Openai def missing out by releasing better voice mode

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: W

spicy.lemonade:

wellmeaningalien: Who

joaoluz19: Maybe they could become an openAI, anything less in the long run is being swallowed up by big companies or China.

joaoluz19: It's understandable as long as they launch smarter models. Or in their case, just launch "cool" things and serve the 400 million users that others don't have.

metaldragon01: I wouldn't be so sure.  We havent seen anything close to them yet and i suspect it may be at least a few months before we do.  I dont think Meta voice on llama 4 will do it but its the best candidate resleasing soon.

metaldragon01: openai recently updated their voice models. minor update but noticeable

spicy.lemonade: Some animator

joaoluz19: Yes, they have gained an extraordinary advantage, which is why I talked about the problem of maintaining that in a few years before Google or OpenAI overtakes them.

joaoluz19: openAI hasn't (yet) destroyed midjourney, but it's already a huge concern for them

zonchao: is this the new "this is how you would look like if you were black or chinese" <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

spicy.lemonade: yes


hey1_1hey: That fox really giving me "I kiss the homies good night but it's ok because it's not that but at night thinks about why they are a horrible person" vibes

futurist_wizard: Okay, is your pfp, not you but the pfp a top or bottom, pick one

oooooooooog: ALEJANDRO WHY DID YOU BECOME WOKE

hey1_1hey: He always was

alejandrozarzuelo: ?

alejandrozarzuelo: What

oooooooooog: GET THAT ARNOLD THE ARDVARK PFP AWAY FR I CANT TAKE IT

futurist_wizard: Its obvious

hikukomoru: You haven't been the same ever since you returned from that orgy...

hikukomoru: I miss the old Alejandro

technocake.: zorra

hey1_1hey: 💀

alejandrozarzuelo: ???

alejandrozarzuelo: OK you definitely don't know Spanish

hey1_1hey: The singulitards got him

technocake.: doesn't it mean fox in spanish?

alejandrozarzuelo: Zarzu is an abbreviation of Zarzuelo, my surname, that's what my friends call me

It means blackberry

alejandrozarzuelo: This is a fennec

hikukomoru: Can I call you berry 💖

hey1_1hey: addressing your friends by last time is psychotic

futurist_wizard: Generated from a minecraft screenshot

hikukomoru: My little berry boo

hey1_1hey: I only call one person by their last name and it's to make fun of them

alejandrozarzuelo: That's why it's a diminutive of my surname

oooooooooog: SEND THE MINECRAFT SCREENSHOT

technocake.: sweden intensifies

futurist_wizard:

oooooooooog: HEY THATS PRETTY GOOD

jonvi_1: is that ai?

futurist_wizard: No

hikukomoru: Yeah 4o remade minecraft from scratch

hey1_1hey: Vibe coded obc

alejandrozarzuelo: I mean sure

alejandrozarzuelo: You can call me however you want

alejandrozarzuelo: I don't care

alejandrozarzuelo: (as long as it isn't sexual or offensive )

hikukomoru: Nvm

hikukomoru: I was typing smth

hey1_1hey: Can I call you "farming" then

futurist_wizard: Alejandro's pfp is hilarious


himekokatagiri: we're going drag racing

himekokatagiri: I'm gonna get those turbo 63 olds

himekokatagiri: idk him

himekokatagiri: hehehe

himekokatagiri: I'll teach him fun man

himekokatagiri: doing the quarter mile

zoermena: I have little knowledge of cars to be honest

himekokatagiri: as fast as possible

himekokatagiri: It's simple

himekokatagiri: It's a straight line

himekokatagiri: the fastest guy wins

himekokatagiri: Of course there's a technique

himekokatagiri: And you gotta tune your car right

zoermena: I’m so tired lol, this will be the most shit day I’ll have for some time, once it’s over everything should be ok

himekokatagiri: Why

zoermena: I made an embarrassment of myself with boomers and will have to redo some work

_cloudost:

trent_k:

zoermena: And who knows which other challenges I’ll face today

trent_k: looks like it's probably gemini based on the 1m context, right?

joaoluz19: Give a common example

hikukomoru: What do you do

zoermena: Didn’t print some papers right

fractalcomputer: Many of us would agree that objects—such as tables and apples etc.—exist. But this idea of discrete things existing in the universe is untenable and largely contrived; where does the table end and the air start? Where does the neutron star, connected to my heart by distant and feeble gravitational forces, begin and end?

zoermena: I used to questions this things when I was younger, it made me highly depressed and anxious

joaoluz19: Hmmm I see, personally I like to see things more from the engineering side, computer vision for example where you need to statistically treat the contour of the object but I appreciate your vision

fractalcomputer: Humans have an amazing aptitude for behaving as if certain things existed. A trite example would be money; but all this would only suggest an unacceptable conclusion, viz. that existence as such is only really a kind of social convention; but the nature of that convention is entirely up in the air and mysterious.

joaoluz19: To build things like robots that capture solids on Mars we need to define its space and identity very well.

fractalcomputer: I actually read Mccarthy's Stella Maris yesterday. I was pleasantly surprised when I found out that it dealt with rather similar issues.

joaoluz19: I agree

retrerox: So how are we doing today?

zoermena: Apparently open ai is going to ship

retrerox: Are we HYPE or are we down?

retrerox: is that good or bad?

zoermena: I haven’t really all of the context

retrerox: english is not my main language so i dont know what u mean with that

zoermena: I meant to write read my b

zoermena: Also not my first language but I’m tired af

retrerox: how is your sleeping schedule?

zoermena: No idea


.histic: i got the better version cooking up

hey1_1hey: Cant wait to see

hey1_1hey: Servers are melting aperntly

hey1_1hey: I mean I am not supprised

.histic: bruh, mine froze on the creation of it

.histic: it has been like 3 minutes

ldj: I think it may be based on amount of pixels basically yea

ldj: but that doesn't really tell you much about the actual cost, it just tells you the cost difference between larger and smaller images

conservatively, I think it'll be atleast 5X more expensive per pixel, compared to the input cost per pixel

hey1_1hey: I am getting blue balled by 4o

trent_k:

trent_k: honestly worth every penny

.histic: 🥵 damn 4o created a masterpiece

.histic: i got to make two versions tho

hganhhh: man i wanna fuck elon, really just pound his ass, make it dissapear. Then, make out with him with those gorgeous lips mmwmmmmma so goood ooooeeeee lalalala fucking beautiful man i love him

hganhhh: <@482923866600112154>hi

.histic: https://x.com/emanuelsa/status/1905256978147921994
of course you get these type of people

hganhhh: do you liek cats

.histic: no, i'm a dog person.

hganhhh: no you arent

.histic: joking, they're both mid. i'm a no animal person.

hganhhh: fuck your

.histic: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

hganhhh: i love ai

hganhhh: i wanna make a ai video of elon sucking on a watermelon that would be interesting to watch

hey1_1hey: Ayyy big tony my boy

hganhhh: sup

hey1_1hey: Hows the wife keepin

hganhhh: long time no see

hganhhh: i dont have a wife

hey1_1hey: Yeah you do dont lie

hikukomoru: <@1056739182338388108> Hey babe 🫦 🫦

hey1_1hey: You like this art that got generated

hganhhh: sup

hganhhh: <@482923866600112154>smash or pass

hey1_1hey: Well its me but women so

hikukomoru: Why are there skulls 🙏

hikukomoru: In the background

.0xunkn0wn: smash

.0xunkn0wn: WAIT

hey1_1hey: He knows it


spicy.lemonade: No promoting

spicy.lemonade: Like nfts

spicy.lemonade: But there's a human in the mix

brain4brain: Of exist continuously

spicy.lemonade: Lol artists genuinely thought the ai bubble was like nft

spicy.lemonade: Did nft even last a yesr

alejandrozarzuelo: maybe? in my math department the closer you get to pure math the more excited people are about being replaced, the further you get the more threatened people feel

jonvi_1: https://x.com/pjaccetturo/status/1905151190872309907?s=46

brain4brain: People who say this are fucking annoying, they are coping

anathemaofmankind: If they were right about souls then AI detection shouldn't be a problem

alejandrozarzuelo: maybe because we are a bunch of autists who drool at the idea of having centuries of mathematics being discivered every year

alejandrozarzuelo: I swear i am not autistic this is a joke

anathemaofmankind: Just find the soul in the AI Art

brain4brain: Being in this server already mean you’re autistic

brain4brain: Everybody here is

hikukomoru: Really not beating the autist allegations

anathemaofmankind: I can confirm as another autist

anathemaofmankind: At least we are all high functioning

spicy.lemonade: I LOVE GENERATING SLOP

_cloudost: he should have used Vidu its better at making 2d animation

futurist_wizard: You just do it half way, continue to exist with your brain but have some device that sends custom electrical signals to your neural cortex maybe like visual or audible and then confirm that you can see your own eyesight and whatever the machine is generating through your mind simultaneously

jonvi_1: Yeah it’s still a cool demo of what we can do now tho

jonvi_1: Very cool

alejandrozarzuelo: btw

alejandrozarzuelo: its weird

alejandrozarzuelo: but the CS student community is weirdly anti AI

futurist_wizard: Money

jonvi_1: Well seems a bit obvious?

futurist_wizard: Cs students want that 100k

futurist_wizard: Salary

alejandrozarzuelo: shouldnt they be pro AI?

alejandrozarzuelo: you know

jonvi_1: They don’t want to feel like what they’re doing is for nothings

alejandrozarzuelo: they are the ones making it happening

alejandrozarzuelo: alongside mathematicians

jonvi_1: The curriculum does not do anything related to ai

jonvi_1: (I’m a cs undergrad)

jonvi_1: We have required courses on Java Swing

alejandrozarzuelo: but you NEED to be a CS or math major to be working in AI

jonvi_1: From like 2008


fractalcomputer: Perhaps so.

trojan09205: Ty 🫶

zonchao: <:cute:1291960720895905814>

okbut: My dating app is Google Scholar

futurist_wizard: Good pupper

hikukomoru: Love when people share pics and videos of their pets

trojan09205: I also met an interesting girl there and got her number

Pup is a chick magnet lol

zoermena: When I walk my dog that never happens

futurist_wizard: Woman update

fractalcomputer: I prefer uploaded video lectures.

trojan09205: Skill issue

trojan09205: Jk haha

hikukomoru: They are intimidated

zonchao: do you have a cupcake?

zoermena:

futurist_wizard:

okbut: Too weak on the numbers to overhead ratio man

alejandrozarzuelo: I think love is the feeling of being able to trust someone so much, that you are willing to let your life in their hands

It's the feeling of having such a connection that makes you see them as the person who you can take all your worries, and the person you want to cherish all your joys

It's a bond about the ability to face the world with that person, the bond that makes you understand each other, even in the things you don't really understand about yourself

To be in love with someone is to have this deep sense of them being the person you want your existence to melt with, because you see everything better with them

futurist_wizard: That's quite intense

zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/teehee-doggo-pitbull-cutie-dog-gif-15868302

alejandrozarzuelo: Love is an intense feeling isn't it?

futurist_wizard: I am too guarded to feel that way about a relationship

hikukomoru: One of the rare times I am forced to agree with you

alejandrozarzuelo: What is love? Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more

trojan09205: I agree but it also lends you to the tail end of it which is heartbreaking when those expectations fall through

alejandrozarzuelo: I have never experienced that fortunately

alejandrozarzuelo: My bf became my closest friend

trojan09205: Im going through that now. Divorcing after almost 10 years

futurist_wizard: My first three relationships were very hurtful to me and now I'm guarded forever

alejandrozarzuelo: Honestly I only had a LTR, and it ended the best way it could have, I think lovers to bffs is the best way to end a relationship

trojan09205: Love is most definitely real

alejandrozarzuelo: My relationship actually improved, when you let go the need to maintain that level of relationship with someone which is emotionally very taxing, and you keep the best parts you always loved about that person, it makes a very strong friendship

trojan09205: Just requires a lot of maturity and constant work to nurture it and preserve it

alejandrozarzuelo: Another close friend of mine who is a bit older than me, had 3 relationships before his current one and he always has gotten very well with them

So, in my life the people close to me have had very good endings of relationships

Except my sister

trojan09205: Sometimes you cant control the other person deciding to end things in flames <@688807313015963693>

alejandrozarzuelo: True

trojan09205: People are unpredictable ultimately

alejandrozarzuelo: This is why i consider myself lucky on this case

trojan09205: Word count your blessings

alejandrozarzuelo: Oh well, hopefully soon I'll be far far away from home and I will be able to love again


metaldragon01: the o5 level model should get human level on simple bench and by most accounts i think people will accept its agi

metaldragon01: could take 8 months for that could take a year or more

.coldcall: Fast takeoff here we come

spacetimetsunami: Automation will be tough as an American

spacetimetsunami: No UBI for us.

metaldragon01: free tokens are the only ubi we are getting

metaldragon01: use them

spacetimetsunami: How will that help me with money lol

futurist_wizard: Generate some images of food

spacetimetsunami: https://tenor.com/view/gosling-sad-gosling-ryan-gosling-blade-runner-snow-gosling-snow-gif-6845320348811377304

spicy.lemonade: this is odd

spicy.lemonade: i can tell anytime a comic is geneated by 4o image

spicy.lemonade: now

spicy.lemonade: <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>

st.sioux: because of the font?

spicy.lemonade: i guess

spicy.lemonade: maybe

ldj: incremental jumps ≠ slow takeoff

.histic: filters on 4o seems less restrictive

spicy.lemonade: thought to image when

spicy.lemonade: VEO2 IS FAST ASF

spicy.lemonade: generated 8 second video in 3 seconds

spicy.lemonade: wtf

alejandrozarzuelo: <@312370916820779040> do you know what is the accuracy rate of humans in their field?

spicy.lemonade:

alejandrozarzuelo: btw <@312370916820779040> did you make the app?

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: the fuck

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: fuck you

spicy.lemonade: holy shit native image gen got worse

.histic: idk what you're on about

.histic: are you plus?

spicy.lemonade: yes

.histic: mine works perfectly

spicy.lemonade: 😭

.histic:

spicy.lemonade: damn

.histic: still pretty 2d

spicy.lemonade: cant get it to make realistic


sweetievee__33649: thank you for spotting it though 👍

sweetievee__33649: we might get sora 2 👀

_cloudost:

zonchao: https://x.com/BigTechAlert/status/1906664037896605788? big?

spicy.lemonade: dont think so

spicy.lemonade: dev tools

technocake.: <@1356003171549315324> hi are you new here?

sweetievee__33649: i thought i heard an @ and then i saw you delete it. Thought i was going crazy then

realelonmuskx: we need to kill ai artist.

sweetievee__33649: so yeah i am new here hello 👋

sweetievee__33649: yeah i hate ai artists always making my lack of art skill look noticeable

technocake.: I just replied to a random message, I thought it better to just ping. Hi andd welcome!

sweetievee__33649: no worries honestly thought i got @ so i could begin the hazing ritual

sweetievee__33649: do i have to run the guantlet of ai troll questions or smth

technocake.: not to worry you will be hazed just by your exposure to the degenerates here

sweetievee__33649: oh ive already seen that 😭

.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/ground-beef-grinder-gif-10187548

sweetievee__33649: someone was talking about smurf sex hierarchy

hikukomoru: Are you talking about me perchance

.wolfnacht: sounds interesting

technocake.: no all your fetishes are high taste I am assured

hikukomoru:

sweetievee__33649: it was something

sweetievee__33649: who are you

.wolfnacht: i didn't know smurfs got hedonistic paradise down there.

realelonmuskx: why.

hikukomoru: Local sex pest

sweetievee__33649: is this the part where i get hazed?

sweetievee__33649: there seems to be a few of those around here

sweetievee__33649: hello local sex pest though its nice to meet you

.wolfnacht:

hikukomoru: I am competing with <@430269783112548362> for the title of the biggest degenerate here

sweetievee__33649: thats like boderline suicide on reddit

sweetievee__33649: any others i should be aware of

.wolfnacht: i've already got around 2 warnings from fractal otherwise i would be corrupting everyone here. with my fetishes.

wellmeaningalien: ps6 solos u both but hes not very active now

sweetievee__33649: so is everyone here just gooners then?

hikukomoru: Yeah

wellmeaningalien: real artists when they have to feel 0.001% of the pain ai artists feel

wellmeaningalien: yup