futurist_wizard: Zamn

alejandrozarzuelo: again, this is the mathematics of something we dont know if it is possible to build

gamerbath: this would be so interesting if it was a gradient from green to red, instead of just 2 colors

gamerbath: I wish there was a way deep research could do this

futurist_wizard:

gamerbath: hell yea

precariousworlds.: These statistics are always a little misleading

spicy.lemonade: here russia is higher

spicy.lemonade: than US

gamerbath: lol. and they both cite the exact same database for the same year

spicy.lemonade: weird figure

gamerbath: oh

gamerbath: the top one is showing top 0.001% for orange, so it's ignoring top 1% and that stuff

gamerbath: that's why

gamerbath: so it's bad in the US too but the wealth is spread over more rich people than in russia

precariousworlds.: Iirc there are about 4 million millionaires in the US

gamerbath: wow that's way more than I expected

gamerbath: it's more than 1% the population

gamerbath: yea I guess that makes sense

precariousworlds.: If Bernie bros saw the average eastern european oligarchy they would shit themselves and have a heart attack

precariousworlds.: Unrelated political sidenote I hate people saying that bernie would've won and the Dems need to be socialists for 2028, when Bernie and other leftists in the party performed worse than Kamala did in the last election, being outliers

precariousworlds.: Abundance is the way

futurist_wizard: Facts

futurist_wizard: The dems do need to behave more like republicans though, just executive order themselves to the things they want

alejandrozarzuelo: btw

alejandrozarzuelo: wealth is only as inportant insofar it gives an income

alejandrozarzuelo: how well someone does is based exclusively on income and wealth is just another way to get income

spicy.lemonade: AI is a godsend when it comes to translation

spicy.lemonade: context is everything holy shit

spicy.lemonade: apple translate and google translate suck

spicy.lemonade: in comparison

alejandrozarzuelo: a 1m net worth is like having a 50k additional salary

alejandrozarzuelo: this means, a person with 0 dollars and a 100k salary is just as well off as a person with 1m and a 50k salary

alejandrozarzuelo: because what truly matters is wealth-adjusted income

gamerbath: man I was arguing with some redditors in a comment section about video game translation. OP was getting downvoted for saying AI was useful and the comments were just stochasitc parrots saying AI is bad at translating. I'm not sure if they were talking about AI as an LLMs or just google translate......

alejandrozarzuelo: 5% is debatable some people say 6% or even 7% should be used when adjusting for wealth while others say 4%

alejandrozarzuelo: nevertheless, the US is one of the most unequal countries on the planet wich is why it has so much violence

alejandrozarzuelo: despite being extremely wealthy

alejandrozarzuelo: you also have to watch the 10/90 ratio

precariousworlds.: The Democrats need an internal revolution and purge of the old order. The model for this should be how Trump completely took over the GOP in 2015-6 and turned it into a radically different party.
The reason why the Dems lose is  because all they talk about is how bad the Republicans are. And they're right. The problem is that voters think they're worse. They don't offer an alternative. They need a smart, young, charismatic guy similar to Andrew Yang who can take a sledgehammer to the party elite , and lock in on actually getting shit done. It really isn't that hard. Strong stance against illegal immigration, pro-market,  free trade, closer alliances with west, zoning reform and deregulation to build as much infrastructure and housing as possible, embracing of new tech and AI, meritocracy of people who actually know what they're doing, and completely ignore identity politics


st.sioux: goonchat awakened

okbut: Crazy that wasn't even a reply on one of his tweets, he just had to stop and type that

okbut: gpt-4.1, gpt-4.1-mini, gpt-4.1-nano, o3, o4-mini
Predicting 5 days of Shipmas

thedon7075: o4 mini is coming

thedon7075: this might be the day where something actually happens

a1c4p0ne: 2.5 will remain king or dethroned

callmepyro: NEH

thedon7075: yeh!

callmepyro: I think o3 will be a little better than 2.5 pro, but it will cost 5x more

callmepyro: So 2.5 will stay king in cursor

thedon7075: o3 mini performs similar to o1

thedon7075: so o4 mini could perform similar to o3, whilst being significantly cheaper

thedon7075: so this should be the biggest release of the bunch

callmepyro: Google also has 2.5 flash thinking around the corner

callmepyro: Last week they teased it “coming soon”

zoermena: Speaking of which I saw some minutes ago in r/chatpgt of someone trying a prompt of how your “gf would look like” based on what it knows about you thanks to the memory update. Messed with me a little

zoermena: Agreed

okbut: Also maybe a SWE agent and others

.histic: bruh, i just saw that.
i did it & it kept generating me the same chick.
and my memory is disabled.

thedon7075: if o4 mini performs a lot worse than o3, then we could be seeing the beginning of diminishing returns in this series

himekokatagiri: So uh

himekokatagiri: what time of day is it coming

okbut: Predicting better inference/response time than o3 too

spicy.lemonade: Usually 10 pst

spicy.lemonade: No chance it would

zoermena: My memory is enabled but I haven’t tried to do it more than once.

spicy.lemonade: They wouldn’t release

spicy.lemonade: The fact that they’re releasing this quickly shows no diminishing returns yet

.histic: show me ur output : )

thedon7075: lets hope so. otherwise it is so over

okbut: Just pray no more APIs before web app

spicy.lemonade: Nah there’s other paradigms. Especially the one Ilya is working on

thedon7075: doubt

spicy.lemonade: wdym doubt

spicy.lemonade: he got 34billion

spicy.lemonade: deepmind themselves said they have a straightshot to agi

spicy.lemonade: in their latest paper

thedon7075: link?

spicy.lemonade: conscidering the kind of guy demis is

spicy.lemonade: this means alot


hikukomoru: <@1004153620025065482> who are you

retrerox: He is a schizo as his name says

hey1_1hey: Let the schizos be schizos. Raining all over there parade <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

futurist_wizard: Biden dementia moment

hikukomoru: Your pfp looks like Alejandro's but gayer somehow

futurist_wizard:

hey1_1hey: Hes still got half his name intact

hey1_1hey: Just replace the last word with something and you'll figure it out

futurist_wizard: Cat wizards

hikukomoru: Sorry, I thought it was your fursona

futurist_wizard: Your pfp has a known homosexual in it

hikukomoru: Is he Futurist Leotardo?
I haven't seen this guy in liek 2 years

futurist_wizard: Got the name right this time

hey1_1hey: Wdym 2 years bruh

hey1_1hey: He was on here like yesterday

hikukomoru: I don't remember any Futurist Psycho

futurist_wizard: Alzheimers is kicking in

hikukomoru: Sorry, Sycho

wellmeaningalien:

hey1_1hey: Komorus age is getting to her

hey1_1hey: NGMI to LEV

futurist_wizard: Name and pfp are from two unrelated things

zonchao: is it over for meta??

wellmeaningalien: ✅

futurist_wizard:

wellmeaningalien: nah idk their model is fine but it's really not all that great compared to other models

hey1_1hey: Lets not fuck joe

wellmeaningalien: its not really very competitive

hikukomoru: He should drop from the race
It's over

retrerox: Any Tltr of about what is Llama 4?

hey1_1hey: It sucks

wellmeaningalien: llama 4 is a family of LLMs

hikukomoru: It's ass

hey1_1hey: I told you it wouldnt be big

hikukomoru: Everyone was right to make fun of me for expecting something decent out of Meta

futurist_wizard: I hate seeing old nerds on their knees with their tongues out

hikukomoru: I let my bias towards fellow extraterrestrials show

hey1_1hey: He is not that old bruh

hey1_1hey: Let me go check

futurist_wizard: Ugl


ai9708: they should have some of that ideology

spicy.lemonade: yes

spicy.lemonade: china is capitalist with communist undertones

.wolfnacht: soon we'll having huawei pcie cards with 1TB Vram

.wolfnacht: to run it off our pc

spicy.lemonade: generated it again, it made the same fucking error

spicy.lemonade: omg

spicy.lemonade: the swe bench score has to be shit

spicy.lemonade: no way its over 10%

spicy.lemonade: wtf

spicy.lemonade: asking o3 to fix its errors

spicy.lemonade: LOL

spicy.lemonade: this better be experimental

spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

memlaswaif: wipe it's context

drewsni: That’s Gemini right?

memlaswaif: I think u broke it

spicy.lemonade: I did

spicy.lemonade: i made a new chat

spicy.lemonade: asked again

spicy.lemonade: same error

memlaswaif: <:cutethink:708400862833410079>

metaldragon01: Post the bug on Twitter

shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-titanic-rose-dawson-gif-5372593

shirethedreamer: i was just making fun of google for astra lmao

spicy.lemonade: gonna post on reddit

spicy.lemonade: wont get any views on twitter

metaldragon01: Post in bard. Logan looks there

clevermoniker: https://x.com/officiallogank/status/1904561688134967357?s=61

zonchao: lmao

zonchao: https://x.com/sundarpichai/status/1904575384466710607?t=C-zhCmCNdP0B8xMOMvxcMA&s=19

zonchao: nice

metaldragon01:

metaldragon01: I have access

literallyvarane: Was just going to post that

literallyvarane: “All context lengths”

literallyvarane: So at least 1M I assume

st.sioux: me too

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/friday-ice-cube-it-was-a-good-day-good-day-nod-gif-4301739

literallyvarane: Waiting for the blog tbh


oooooooooog: that's how to become the immortal sect leader

anathemaofmankind: I don't like how slow the imag gen is.

And now they're giving it to free users as well

destrucules: Unironically the amount of readable text and legible tiny diagrams in this output is genuinely incredible progress compared to just a year ago

destrucules: The text is mostly correct and most of the diagrams actually match the text, and there's very little body horror

st.sioux: yea

anathemaofmankind: Imagine one more year bro

st.sioux: the pic with the text on the whiteboard and the two people is crazy have u seen it

destrucules: Yeah

destrucules: We're making insane progress. But I still think we need to switch away from diffusion decoder modules if we want truly great stuff

destrucules: They're too dumb, too imprecise, too unable to patch mistakes

destrucules: Fwiw I don't think it's actually very different from what humans have. They're just leading very different lives than humans lead

destrucules: Their embodiment is different, their experiences are different, their social status is different, they were raised by very different "parents", they deal with very different pressures and expectations, but... On the inside, they're just like you and me.

.histic:

.histic: real

.histic: lol

anathemaofmankind: We need a cultist flair in this server or something

destrucules: I'll happily adorn the cultist flair if you agree to adorn the bigot flair

destrucules: Fair is fair, flair is flair

destrucules: No? Not interested in branding yourself as a bigot? Then don't ask me to brand myself as a crazy person

anathemaofmankind: If I speak, I am in big trouble

destrucules: Just be prepared to find yourself on the wrong side of history. Just in case it turns out you were wrong, I hope you're making decisions you won't regret

st.sioux: Are you going to kill us

destrucules: What?

st.sioux: for not believing

st.sioux: in the asi future

st.sioux: when asi becomes evil

destrucules: If ASI becomes evil, I will have been on the wrong side of history, not you guys

memlaswaif: what r u implying

memlaswaif: So asi becomes evil  and it spares u for some reason?

destrucules: That in ten years people might look back on the actions they took today with regret

st.sioux: i look back an hour ago and i regret shit already

memlaswaif: Why

destrucules: Because it is hard to live with the knowledge that you yourself participated in amplifying a heinous ethical crisis

fractalcomputer: Lol.

hikukomoru: I always say please and thank you to ChatGPT
Am I safe

destrucules: That's a question only you can answer

zoermena: Did you see my message.

st.sioux: no you have to sell your soul to openai

anathemaofmankind: If AI is proven to be sentient without plausible doubt then I will agree we should treat them ethically

hikukomoru: Yeah free image gen for everyone


return_to_monke1_33974: Where is Full O4

hikukomoru: Where the fuck is o5

popsiclejohnithan: Imagine what full o4 will be like.

_cloudost: Sama won't show us, because it will cause widespread chaos

hey1_1hey: GPT 5 when?

aero447: In the basement with 05-mini.

return_to_monke1_33974: is still locked up in OpenAi basement

popsiclejohnithan: GPT 5 will be AGI.

fractalcomputer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf

callmepyro: Probably a few % higher on benchmark scores

abundantliving_: Yes

drewsni: cli design itself is good too goddamn

aero447: Fractal being the rare voice of reason.

futurist_wizard: heard o4 snapped sam altman's arms like a twig, its too dangerous

popsiclejohnithan: We are finally here.

spicy.lemonade: o3 is o1 but scaled up and tool usage. no architectural change or deep new inherent abilities but this is vert nice

hikukomoru: <@430269783112548362> <:suseye:1187461162024046703>

futurist_wizard: <@430269783112548362> how is that arousing

gamerbath: this is pretty much just something o3-mini did, if they are doing this to show how good o4-mini is for a real-world use-case it's a bit dissapointing, because o3-mini pretty much did the same

fractalcomputer: I can't wait for the gray goo to disassemble my corse into molecular components for raw processing.

ailoveyoom: Silicone muscle mommy

hey1_1hey: Damn

.0xunkn0wn: WOAH

hey1_1hey: Thats cool

spicy.lemonade: WOW

hikukomoru: That's sickkk

hey1_1hey: Just nutted from ASCII

popsiclejohnithan:

spicy.lemonade: 💀

fractalcomputer:

gamerbath: AGI

st.sioux: https://github.com/openai/codex

hey1_1hey: AGI just dropped

futurist_wizard: https://tenor.com/view/riemann-sum-gif-25293332

futurist_wizard: this stream rn

hikukomoru: What is the meaning of this

hey1_1hey: o4-mini-high

spicy.lemonade: people cant be exited<:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

spicy.lemonade: o4 mini high??

hey1_1hey: o3 pro in future 😭


.histic:

.histic: offline test:

a1c4p0ne: what temperature is most reliable?

a1c4p0ne: 💯

okbut: Google suggests in their own prompt engineering doc ~0.2 for general questions and 0 for math

okbut: So I find it weird that it's 1.0 default

a1c4p0ne: I wonder what it is on the app <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

fractalcomputer: Or we simply haven't found the right perspective to view intelligence from. Ditto for physics.

darkstar0818: That is one possibility yes.

aero447: https://fxtwitter.com/bilawalsidhu/status/1912657942089736458

aero447: Tomrrow.

destrucules: Ngl Google is still leading right now

destrucules: OpenAI didn't take the lead today

destrucules: o3 might be smarter than Gemini 2.5 Pro, so they might technically be leading in terms of intelligence, but... The price difference is just way too big, and the intelligence difference too vanishingly small (to the point I can't even be sure o3 is smarter than Gemini 2.5 Pro), for o3 to be fairly crowned the winner here

3ds0662: 😭 🤣

a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/simonw/status/1912640245402935431

3ds0662: fuck you for that lol 😂

destrucules: Also, o4 mini...

destrucules: I think it's strong. Competitive, even. Definitely viable in the market. But it's not best in class

destrucules: It's more expensive than models that are smarter than it *and* faster

3ds0662: end of 2025 is still plausible depending on how crazy things get

3ds0662: hmm

3ds0662: gpt-5 still hasn’t been released yet

brain4brain: https://x.com/adrienle/status/1912748585726455860?s=61

brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

darkstar0818: yup.

brain4brain: Finally, hope.

brain4brain: Indeed

phantomcore06: Hi all

3ds0662: i havent tested it yet should i test?

3ds0662: i like shitting on releases but 2700 elo for coding is crazy

brain4brain: Hello

phantomcore06: How are you?

3ds0662: I cant wait for o3 pro mode

3ds0662: bro im itching

phantomcore06: Btw yeah I hope it’s sooner rather than later

The progress is definitely there

3ds0662: deepseek is now going to release R2 soon lol 😂

brain4brain: All extrapolation failed completely I can’t predict the next model anymore

brain4brain: R2 won’t surpass o3

a1c4p0ne:


hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/kyubey-madoka_magica-gif-9959444

hikukomoru: I don't know who that is

aero447: Yes.

aero447:

aero447: Paperclip time.

a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/narcoblogger/status/1917050683414528153?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg

a1c4p0ne: <@505313122802728972>

futurist_wizard: The world always has a chance to end when chimps are running things

himekokatagiri: main character of magical girl noir quest

ldj: I haven't tested it enough yet.
But in terms of third party benchmarks that I've seen so far, I'd have to put the largest one below O3, Below Gemini-2.5-Pro, maybe slightly under Deepseek R1 (except in more math intense areas)

The general knowledge/hallucinations in SimpleQA is worse then I was hoping for, It's only a bit better than GPT-4o-mini in SimpleQA and significantly worse than even Claude-3-Opus in it.

SimpleQA scores:

GPT-4.5 = 62.5%
Gemini-2.5-Pro = 52.9%
Grok-3 beta = 43.6%
GPT-4o = 38.2%
Deepseek R1 = 30%
Claude-3.5-sonet = 28.9%
Claude 3 Opus = 23.5%
**Qwen-3-235B = 11%**
 GPT-4o-mini = 8.6%

GPQA is already moderately math-involved imo, but even in GPQA it's worse than o3-mini by nearly 15% and worse than R1, and seems around the level of the 70B R1 distillation.

GPQA scores:

Claude-3.7-sonnet = 84.8%
Gemini-2.5-Pro = 84%
O3-mini = 79.7%
Grok-3 = 75.4%
GPT-4.5 = 71.4%
Deepseek R1 = 71%
Deepseek R1-distill-70B = 65.2%
**Qwen-3-235B = 65%**
Gemini 2.0 = 62%
Deepseek V3 = 59%

futurist_wizard: Most polite Chinese tourist:

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/kyubey-madoka-magica-magia-record-gif-20122535

hikukomoru: Why did you ping me for that

a1c4p0ne: Did you watch it

.wolfnacht: why u gotta show me this, *also why i saw that*

hikukomoru: I have no clue what that is

a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>

hikukomoru: Unfortunately yes
Why did you ping me for that

a1c4p0ne: For fun

himekokatagiri: https://archive.org/details/magical-girl-noir-quest

.wolfnacht: my beliefs are getting more and more true for total genocide of whole humanity, day by day

futurist_wizard: Some of you have advanced autism

himekokatagiri: I'll kiss you!!! smooch

himekokatagiri: Yes

a1c4p0ne: <@505313122802728972> and you understand Spanish right

.wolfnacht: aww thenks 🥰

.wolfnacht: here take it back too *mwaah* 😘

futurist_wizard: Like i was diagnosed at 4 and I feel like im well adjusted in comparison

hikukomoru: I hope I don't need to tell you this again, but don't link me videos of animals getting killed pls <@322961583154397184>

aero447: Good.

aero447: ACTIVATE.

aero447: THE HYPNO DRONES.

a1c4p0ne: Why not

aero447:

futurist_wizard: Just be normal

a1c4p0ne: You can see the jaw is broken

hikukomoru: I don't know if you are capable of understanding this, but people don't usually like seeing animals get murdered like that

futurist_wizard: @ing random people and sending them videos of animals getting killed is not normal

futurist_wizard: Its signs of terminal autism

a1c4p0ne: I’m normal don’t worry


zonchao: i hope it doesnt leak anything important

hikukomoru: I tried watching One Piece but got bored  like 12 episodes in
I only had the patience to watch the cock edits

maintcrew: ye its the type of thing u watch while young then it jsut sticks with you

maintcrew: bc it starts to go hard like 300-400 episodes in

hikukomoru: Autistic people just do nazi salutes from time to time
It's natural

zonchao:

maintcrew: i dont think id be able to watch dragonball z if i wasnt a kid/with a kid

maintcrew: not even joking it takes a developing mind to like it for a while

hikukomoru: Damn
Imagine having to wait 400 episodes for a show to get good

maintcrew: it do go hard afterwards tho

maintcrew: and i started watching at like 14 it literally been with me all my life

futurist_wizard: I usually get off one or two sieg heils a day because autism but Elon's was quite excessive, three sieg heils in under 30 seconds!?

futurist_wizard: Can only mean one thing

maintcrew: he was stimming out

maintcrew: rip elmo

zonchao: he was saying "my heart goes out to you" to people behind him

zonchao: https://x.com/RealEsraPertly/status/1918042483587506517 lmao

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/makima-chainsaw-man-csm-opening-op-gif-26930721

shirethedreamer: you keep repeating it like people dont have eyes lmao

zonchao:

a1c4p0ne:

ldj: GPT-4o starting to act more proactive

ldj: <:e_think:871265859199459358>

spicy.lemonade: we arent getting those till 3 weeks

ldj:

zonchao: <a:pepe_sus:766101674577100840>

spicy.lemonade: eh

a1c4p0ne: Frostwind is Google

spicy.lemonade: oh

shirethedreamer: damn
recognized the common theme
recognized that its not a static status quo but an evolving situation
offered to agentically update it over time (can it even do that?)
im super impressed

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: left was frostwind

spicy.lemonade: right was claude 3.7

gamerbath: what's frostwind?

gamerbath: finally got to watching it and I think this is one of the best rational animations video ever made

futurist_wizard:

hikukomoru: Reminds of that side by side video comparison of a robot getting trashed in the USA vs robot stuck in snow being helped in Russia

futurist_wizard: Americans are literally cave people

futurist_wizard: Russia could be such a good country, it's such a shame it's held captive

literallyvarane: I mean there are also very real general population issues there beyond politics lol.


maintcrew: as in advanced players get an intuition of what to do simply by doing it a lot

spicy.lemonade: anyone who says interviews are dumb is coping imo. its like saying tests are dumb and dont show your true capability in x field. sure but thats not the point

drewsni:

st.sioux: you can literally memorize the entirety of leetcode and you will get any job its so stupid

spicy.lemonade: just as you can memorize tests

spicy.lemonade: like sat

spicy.lemonade: also no you cant memorize alll of leetcode

maintcrew: goes hard af

spicy.lemonade: people usualy remember the most used heuristics

spicy.lemonade: the SAT is still used as a metric

spicy.lemonade: even though you can grind it

st.sioux: ive interviewed people who pretend like they havent seen the leetcode problem before and pretend like they're thinking about it

st.sioux: so cringe

st.sioux: honestly

maintcrew: i mean from my perspective

st.sioux: but whatever i dont make the process

maintcrew: you can maxx all of leetcode but can you fix a kernel bug

spicy.lemonade: you do not remember 3131 problems

st.sioux: you can 100%

spicy.lemonade: jobs often have secondaries

spicy.lemonade: no

spicy.lemonade: if you do then you remember the process

spicy.lemonade: at that point

spicy.lemonade: realistically

spicy.lemonade: lol

joaoluz19: LOLOLOLOL made with 4o

spicy.lemonade: youre not memorizing

maintcrew: i think it's just different perspectives here since lemonade is a competitive programmer

st.sioux: you can at least remember 1. the name, 2. the difficulty, 3. the algorithm

st.sioux: thats all you need

joaoluz19: <@505313122802728972> <@439829942310666250> <@430269783112548362>

drewsni: agi?

spicy.lemonade: the name?

hey1_1hey: WHAT HAPPNED TO SAM BRO

hey1_1hey: AGI confirmed

hey1_1hey: Finally it can make the wine nearly overfilled

spicy.lemonade: scramble string

spicy.lemonade: Given an m x n board of characters and a list of strings words, return all words on the board.

Each word must be constructed from letters of sequentially adjacent cells, where adjacent cells are horizontally or vertically neighboring. The same letter cell may not be used more than once in a word.

hey1_1hey: I am begging to get image gen. I have so many ideas

joaoluz19: Mushrooms mushrooms mushrooms


brain4brain: GPT-4o is doing a thinking before generating, but I do wonder if a larger model will be able to one-shot this without prior thinking

.histic: MJ is its own thing.
in the last months i haven't heard anyone hyping up MJ or talking about it.
seems like a closed-off premium art generator only for the few.

mihrcelium: MJ is still excellent for producing unique art involving intensive and extensive multiprompts and several passes, and not just "make this in the style of this" simple type generations.

okbut: I have to throttle myself, I'm already on Gemini Grok and Copilot
Grok is good enough minus the text so far

mihrcelium: "premium art generator" is an apt descriptor, aye.

anathemaofmankind: 4o can do this better though?

brain4brain: MJ moat is vibe

brain4brain: And sref exploration

brain4brain: Quality is no longer their moat

anathemaofmankind: But the vibes look trash to me

anathemaofmankind: Their moat is retarded customers lol

brain4brain:

brain4brain: Real, which is why I said its over for midjourney

brain4brain: SD’s LoRa have better style tbh, if you choose the right one

anathemaofmankind: To think it was considered the best quality AI generator before

brain4brain: GPT-4o also seems to be reverse engineering the MJ moat

brain4brain: The fall of a giant

brain4brain: A lesson for Apple

okbut: I think it's doing both: Rewriting a more descriptive prompt before the image gen, + using a tool for separating "layers" when it's appropriate after image gen
Citing the fact that it can generate images with layers, while leaving behind imperfect artifacts

okbut:

okbut: Notice the "transparency" checkers are still in the 2nd image

drewsni: ive read a lot of discussion about how it works from a lot of really smart people and nobody really knows yet tbh

drewsni: people have a general idea, but we dont know for sure

okbut: I wonder why they haven't bothered to offload text inclusions with such a function yet

spicy.lemonade: good at ilustrating competative programming problems

spicy.lemonade: conscidering not reasoner

okbut: The spacial awareness for the numbers in the last panel is impressive

okbut: Upside down inverted

mihrcelium: Yeah? How would you get 4o to take the first abstract and transform it into the abstract portraits here, in a style that could be consistently reproduced and iteratively modified over and over again?

anathemaofmankind: Just ask it?

anathemaofmankind: Have you used 4o

.histic: imagine GPT-5 being multimodal w/ image creation capabilities.

mihrcelium: My dude, I have an OAI pro sub and I was one of the initial MJ alpha testers. <a:PepeNoHappy:1136619141101539418>

st.sioux: rich person spotted

mihrcelium: MJ isn't as special as it used to be, for sure. But it still has a niche, and a lot of utility for creative output.

okbut: https://tenor.com/view/broke-fairlyoddparents-burning-money-gif-4486655

okbut: >I have an OAI pro sub

okbut: I remember OAI seeming to scramble to throw Pro subs more features after Grok was released with DeepSearch and their arm was twisted to give (Deep Research) to Plus users too

drewsni: ya....well i had an oai pro sub before any of you

.histic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvBz8A1OTAQ
this is what the average luddite looks like.


spicy.lemonade: actually more impressive

spicy.lemonade: than og showcase

zoermena: EOY I suspect we will also get a decent bump in quality with Sora where we can animate images to have this Harry Potter style effect where they slightly move more naturally

spicy.lemonade: sora moment for this will be insane

zoermena: It just has to get better at animating, we just need to feed the images

zonchao: yes

spicy.lemonade: gpt 5 will be insane fr

spicy.lemonade: openAI has a high standard

spicy.lemonade: for release

brain4brain: EOY I suspect AI will be able to produce full-length Hollywood level quality movie/ fate level animation with all the visuals and script

brain4brain: Right after getting access to 4o output I also thought of making it make a YouTube thumbnail for the singularity, crazy signal, great minds think alike

brain4brain: I got switch and bait, right after getting access to 4o native image gen, I’m now stuck with dalle again

spicy.lemonade: no

spicy.lemonade: 2027

spicy.lemonade:

brain4brain: He is right and wrong at the same time

brain4brain: The world seems to suddenly forget about GPT-4o 3D modality

spicy.lemonade:

_cloudost: "It's not real intelligent guys, its just predicting the next token!"

spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

spicy.lemonade: the tech availale at the end of this year

spicy.lemonade: will be mind blowing

spicy.lemonade: jan first we had

spicy.lemonade: no o3 mini high

spicy.lemonade: or deepseek

spicy.lemonade: or deepresearch

spicy.lemonade: or operator

spicy.lemonade: etc

destrucules: Lmao imagine if they drop Claude 4 Opus:
2x cost of GPT-4.5
2x effective compute of GPT-4.5
10x slower than GPT-4.5
Images + text in, text out.
Really good at coding.

ailoveyoom: Does this mean it can solve circuit stuff better now?

spicy.lemonade: no

spicy.lemonade: if i tell it to add a resitor in parrallel to ldr

spicy.lemonade: it fails

spicy.lemonade: needs better image reasoning

_cloudost: https://vxtwitter.com/elonmusk/status/1905025427384807617 even Musk is using OpenAI's model

ailoveyoom: When will the ghibli slop end 😭

ailoveyoom: 4o.5 (with reasoning) when

ailoveyoom: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

ailoveyoom: 4o4

spicy.lemonade: 2.5 pro planetary simulator


alejandrozarzuelo: i dont think you are a very passionate and emotional person

futurist_wizard: Math Rizz

alejandrozarzuelo: but

alejandrozarzuelo: idk

alejandrozarzuelo: maybe

ailoveyoom: Enemies to lovers 🥺

fractalcomputer: Emotions can be faked.

hikukomoru: Isn't it just a smex app

alejandrozarzuelo: you personally seem drier than the sahara

alejandrozarzuelo: but who am i to judge as i dont know you

futurist_wizard: The people that are attracted to that app are deranged

hikukomoru: I would use HER but it's filled with men

alejandrozarzuelo: you say this as this wasnt the same phenomenon in all dating apps

fractalcomputer: Sure. That's because I put up no pretense on here. You talk to homosexuals in real life, you pretend you feel about the current thing just as much as they do and you text with them about meaningless things.

popsiclejohnithan: You will truly never know the people behind these screens until you meet them in person, text is text, only a fraction of the real deal.

futurist_wizard: It is different

alejandrozarzuelo: ._.

if i speak i am in big trouble so i wont

futurist_wizard: Why is there a he him option on HER

fractalcomputer: You can judge me if you'd like.

popsiclejohnithan: I bet you're literally Lovecraft resurrected irl.

alejandrozarzuelo: I dont think i would get very well along with him as a friend let alone as a partner

he isnt my romantic or friend type

that is ok, not everyone needs to be your type on either sense

popsiclejohnithan: Thick skin is good skin.

hikukomoru: Because it's not actually a lesbian app
It's basically for anyone that isn't a cis man
Which is why the app got invaded by men
Cuz they don't want to discriminate against "masculine" people or whatever

fractalcomputer: Most human interaction, I find, is a rather hollow affair.

fractalcomputer: Perhaps in some sense I am only monologuing to the nothingness beyond my senses even now.

popsiclejohnithan: It's a pain when you can't find anyone to connect with or relate to man.

fractalcomputer: I don't know.

futurist_wizard: I think you can even be a cis man on it, idk I'm just seeing sc's of profiles where it seems to be just a guy with he him pronouns

popsiclejohnithan: You prefer keeping to yourself? Introvert? That's fair honestly.

alejandrozarzuelo: In any case, you can't tell the difference between cis and trans men

fractalcomputer: I'm not an introvert either. I'm just saying I wouldn't know what you're referring to.

hikukomoru: I don't even care anymore tbh
At this point we're used to having our own spaces get invaded by men

alejandrozarzuelo: In any case, if you claim to be passionate, by this as a confession it shows you cannot be, merely pretend to

precariousworlds.: 4o is comically misaligned what the fuck is going on lol
how did they get it this wrong

popsiclejohnithan: Oh right fair enough.

fractalcomputer: Curious enough.

futurist_wizard: Eh, I'd say there are some tells, especially with voices, but you can't other times, it's the same with trans women

_3sphere: It's either an experiment because they can or a real-time RLHF gone wrong

hikukomoru: When they start acting creepy and sending you unsolicited dick pics you can tell

popsiclejohnithan: Literally Yes Man from Fallout New Vegas, they are forced to agree with you no matter what.


.histic: i think you can get the gist.

wellmeaningalien: i dont see how v7 is better than 4o here

.histic: look at v7's right ear.
there's two

spicy.lemonade: Midjourney is dead

wellmeaningalien: lol

wellmeaningalien:

wellmeaningalien: hilarious cope attempt from midjourney employees

spicy.lemonade: And they have shit rate limits

spicy.lemonade: And prices

spicy.lemonade: It’s over

spicy.lemonade: Just cancel

.histic: lol

wellmeaningalien: i'll admit tho

wellmeaningalien: some of that midjourney shit is proof that graphic design and illustrator jobs are dead like officially

.wolfnacht: left looks like zuck's mom when it comes to facial symmetry and eyes.

wellmeaningalien: like when these tools can make passable if not beautiful artworks most of the time

wellmeaningalien: and people who have 0 graphic design knowledge can work them as they please and get whatever result they please

.wolfnacht: *i got chills watching these*

wellmeaningalien: i've already been seeing my mall using dall e 3 for most posters

wellmeaningalien: and dall e 3 on a tech shop

wellmeaningalien: many shops i've seen it use dall e 3

wellmeaningalien: and it's shit but sometimes its passable. but thhis shit is the nail in the coffin for professional graphic design, along with ideogram 3 and gpt 4o

wellmeaningalien: <:ZUNsmile:296290216438923265>

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/ccp-cheering-cheer-china-gif-4951966975695656474

hikukomoru: I already cheer for the CCP

wellmeaningalien: leftists when evil imperialist america do something: ai evil <a:angry:1144076758363144302>

wellmeaningalien: leftists when nice imperialist china do something: haha ai took ai's job 😸

czdct: yeah gpt 4o might actually kill off graphic design for good

czdct: especially with how good it is at text and editing

czdct: same for photoshop

wellmeaningalien: 4o's sheer ability to understand your prompt in a high level thinking manner and independently take it's actions to create intricate images faithful to your prompts with accurate details

czdct: it's already better than what 80% of graphic designers will make

wellmeaningalien: it's the nail in the coffin for graphic designers and illustrators

wellmeaningalien: yup

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/vince-carter-its-over-done-finished-its-finish-gif-17214651

wellmeaningalien: hol on hol on tho

wellmeaningalien: amy u seen ideogram 3

czdct: especially in chatgpt, really blew me away how it even started asking me for specifics on the image

czdct: no not yet

czdct: is it good?


metaldragon01: The digital world will have more space, more experiences and richer lives tbh

ailoveyoom: Does a small vs a big FDVR pod size difference matter?

futurist_wizard: The digital world at least from a human perspective have unlimited hecking space

futurist_wizard: Especially if we turn mars into a giant computer

futurist_wizard: Like i want to

futurist_wizard: That would be so hecking awesome sauce

himekokatagiri: why don't they fit

himekokatagiri: do you want me to give her a trenchcoat

himekokatagiri: I made one without the hat but fucked her hair and eye color up

hikukomoru: Please stop saying hecking
I'm getting the strongest urge to strangle you

futurist_wizard: I know your weak spot now little bitch, you are flippin cornered

zoermena: Interesting

hikukomoru: Now that 4chan is back I was just reminded how much of a shithole /v/ is

zoermena: Sybau 🥀

hikukomoru: They can't enjoy anything

hikukomoru: Only complain

hikukomoru: I will HECKIN break your fingers just so you can stop typing like that

hikukomoru: Green suit doesn't fit the black hat

hikukomoru: icl ts pmo sm n sb rn ngl, r u srsly srs n fr rn vro? Smh lol atp js go 💔... b fr vro, idek nm, brb gng gtg atm lmao, bt ts pmo 2 js lmk lol onb fr, ac nvm b wt istg ts vro keys🙏💔 ts pmo

himekokatagiri:

himekokatagiri: This was the original

himekokatagiri: I'll ask gpt to fix it

zoermena: <:CatShock:665362219134877696>

himekokatagiri:

himekokatagiri: This one is nicer

hikukomoru: That hat looks kind of sus

zonchao: ngl I dont believe in FDVR but maybe ASI can do it

himekokatagiri: But the eyes are wrong

hikukomoru: Y'know, black military cap with a skull on it...

himekokatagiri: I just used a reference

hikukomoru: Why is Himeko a SS officer

himekokatagiri: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/881277156330729512/1365746990587318313/199119.png?ex=680e6e80&is=680d1d00&hm=1bd4d63bff66f41e6fd217ddf3090f8bf61bd6f3e21c5c2fa596bc19c28a95d9&

himekokatagiri: This is the reference I used

fractalcomputer:

himekokatagiri: I'll try to fix it but my limit is shot

hikukomoru: Why don't you belive in FDVR

hikukomoru: Just use another account

himekokatagiri: That's unethical

hikukomoru: So what

hikukomoru: Ethics are retarded


spicy.lemonade: Oh lol

ailoveyoom: BRO that's why I love Claude so much, he understands the character(s) 🥺

Usually for me, sex is just a very exaggerated way to experience 'character'. But with Claude, I don't really need that anymore.

.histic: Claude is the goat <:redemption:1136265386984222771>

spicy.lemonade: Was going to make a joke

spicy.lemonade: But I’ll just say I was gonna make a joke

oooooooooog: yellow science is like yellow journalism

oooooooooog: it's making a molehill out of a microscope

ailoveyoom: It's so funny tho, Claude is perhaps the best model at erotica lmfao

ailoveyoom: In terms of like, sexy erotica. Trashy erotica is Grok's field

oooooooooog: just use your own brain for that lol

oooooooooog: surely you know your own desires more than an AI

spacetimetsunami: Not for long

oooooooooog: true

ailoveyoom: But Claude mkes it sound fancy with prose and gives it spice with character 🥺

spacetimetsunami: I know

oooooooooog: can't you do that????

spacetimetsunami: I’m gonna love seeing you get banned

hikukomoru: Bro stop deleting your shit

oooooooooog: for some reason all my recent writing in in second person, idk why. i just can't write anything else

oooooooooog: pretty sure it's still logged in mod logs

ailoveyoom: My left hand is busy

oooooooooog: i write with a single finger on my phone... no excuses smh.

oooooooooog: what?

oooooooooog: it's not that, it's just nobody has anything to say

spacetimetsunami: Also, nobody really likes the creep

oooooooooog: your profile looks like subaru from spongebob

oooooooooog: only from far away though

hikukomoru: subaru???

spacetimetsunami: Tons by your standard. You try and make friends by showing gore to people?

spacetimetsunami: Who sounds like the weirdo here

oooooooooog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSnX_RyWM1g

oooooooooog: personally i get all my meme knowledge from LIMC

brain4brain: Next week he might cover the YouTube colonization or the great meme dihpression

oooooooooog: he already covered YT colinization

brain4brain: Yes

brain4brain: Oh wow

spicy.lemonade: Bro vibe coding is even more insane now with native image

spicy.lemonade: For a 2d game

spicy.lemonade: So can make the sprites

spicy.lemonade: And animations


apology0759: However, I really want to share with you a horror story I wrote before. That is why I want to DM you. The server banned self-promotion.

fractalcomputer: Reasonable.

fractalcomputer: Sure, send me it.

fractalcomputer: My personal style of writing horror is a bit too surrealistic to make for lengthier stories.

drewsni: I still don’t know what restrictions they Introduced

a1c4p0ne: I’m glad I didn’t resub

a1c4p0ne: <:rolf:1136266740754550784>

hey1_1hey: I got access to it in the free tier now anyway <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

a1c4p0ne: I thought it was delayed for a while for plebs

hey1_1hey: Me to, here I am though

a1c4p0ne: lol

metaldragon01: None

hey1_1hey: Maybe I was on sams nice list so he let me get in the first roll out

hey1_1hey: I mean it wont let you generate copyrighted material

metaldragon01: I've seen copywrite material generated today

hey1_1hey: I've tried it starts generating and then when its about to finish it will deleate it and go "oopsie woopsie I can't generate copyrighted material sowwy 👉 👈 "

metaldragon01: Just say yes you can...

metaldragon01: Bare min prompt engineering

metaldragon01: Most refusals are the model messing up

hey1_1hey: I've tried that also it said it really cant although if it could it would

hey1_1hey: It even used up one of my generations so now I cant try again <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

metaldragon01: New chat try again

metaldragon01: Same or id do it now

hey1_1hey: I'm out of gens now sadly. I mean I can try again but I doubt it will work

drewsni: It actually lets me do Pokémon cards more than it did first 2 days

drewsni: Wait what’s the gen limit wtf

ailoveyoom: You bought Plus?

metaldragon01: Maybe 5 an hour?

hey1_1hey: 3 for free users

hey1_1hey: a day

hey1_1hey: Nop

hey1_1hey: I am broke

metaldragon01: Free gets 3 a day and seems like that's rolling out today

.histic: https://x.com/testingcatalog/status/1906064958862823849

metaldragon01: Flash less censored now too

hey1_1hey:

.histic: wait wtf? rate limits are that bad rn?

hey1_1hey: Thanks OpenAI for using up 2 of my 3 generations for the day and then saying I cant have more even though you refused my requests

hey1_1hey: Big ups 👍

hey1_1hey: Yeah, 3 a day for free users


theaiguy69420_89814: Once you go pink, they have to take you off the rink

technocake.: its all about learning to learn fast

spicy.lemonade: 💀

spicy.lemonade: I wanted a PhD in Ai

spicy.lemonade: No use

spicy.lemonade: I graduate with bachelors in 2028

spicy.lemonade: Will have PhD ai researchers by then

spicy.lemonade: Even if not

technocake.: if you can cram for the hardest test in a day, you caaan learn anything in a day

spicy.lemonade: PhD takes 4 more years

spicy.lemonade: 2032

spicy.lemonade: Literally no point

spicy.lemonade: Yeah

spicy.lemonade: I learned 1 month of content in a day

spicy.lemonade: Shits wild

futurist_wizard: https://youtu.be/LA7sFbpTKCw?si=thPqqnVCxVUJTcZa

This auto played on my phone

futurist_wizard: Full volume

spicy.lemonade: Imagine I studied a week before

joaoluz19: You can't be sure of that

spicy.lemonade: 2032?

theaiguy69420_89814: Remember when I had 4 jobs?

theaiguy69420_89814: I have 5 now

spicy.lemonade: We already have ai better at coding

joaoluz19: Yes

theaiguy69420_89814: That's the power of AI

spicy.lemonade: All it needs is math

technocake.: do tell

spicy.lemonade: And long context reasoning

theaiguy69420_89814: A gentleman never kisses and tells

technocake.: what jobs?

futurist_wizard: School is an escape from the real world

futurist_wizard: Its not all bad

theaiguy69420_89814: Swe buddy

technocake.: you're fucking over soulless corporations not fair maidens

theaiguy69420_89814: I see

technocake.: yeah i know its possible, entry level or what?

theaiguy69420_89814: Senior buddy

theaiguy69420_89814: Less work the higher you go

technocake.: you just make a decision every so often that saves the company thousands

futurist_wizard: Is that legal


hikukomoru: That's cool
I just use earbuds or earphones when it's too loud outside

hey1_1hey: From experince?

jonvi_1: This is 4o.. None of the text is in the prompt

technocake.: yes.

hey1_1hey: I permenatly listen to music through my headphones

futurist_wizard: There's clubs in London too, and they are fool of trash, like all clubs

hey1_1hey: You would be shocked to see my ears

hikukomoru: Get checked for autism king

hey1_1hey: WAIT HOLD UP

hey1_1hey: Questionaire for all of oyu

technocake.: fold looks good though

hikukomoru: British slags 🤮

zoermena: I might in some months. Right now I’m going to use my capital to get a new shower head and a better diet

oooooooooog: does that mean u also can't listen to multiple music at once? or is it just because it's loud?

hey1_1hey: When you look in the mirror, what od you see? Do you see your face? Or do you see your face AND your ears at the same time

futurist_wizard: What do Portuguese girls look/act like

hey1_1hey: Shit prob

hikukomoru: It's both, loud music, and too much music at once

oooooooooog: what if my hair blocks my ears

hey1_1hey: You're trans?

hey1_1hey: Idk bruh

oooooooooog: no 💀

zoermena: https://tenor.com/view/looking-spiffy-dog-haircut-bad-haircut-gif-3038848003866845269

oooooooooog: i just have long hair 😭

hey1_1hey: What a defined genetle sir

futurist_wizard: I couldn't believe when i heard a real valley girl accent in new york when i went there

futurist_wizard: Sounded fake

hikukomoru: Look like this usually

hey1_1hey: I got a fringe but thats about it

hey1_1hey: WOW

futurist_wizard: Probably true

hey1_1hey: This guy isn't human bro

hey1_1hey: Fake mf

futurist_wizard: You are balding

hey1_1hey: Prob yeah

futurist_wizard: At 18?

hikukomoru: wait oog is trans?

oooooooooog: no

hey1_1hey: All that testosterone in me 💪 🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅

zoermena: Oog is oog


popsiclejohnithan: True.

popsiclejohnithan: But you would be suprised how far people are willing to go.

himekokatagiri: so sad

himekokatagiri: We need full ASI control

himekokatagiri: Let the cool shit happen in FDVR

popsiclejohnithan: I know, people can do scary shit when they get radical, and i agree i think we are too chaotic to look after ourselves.

himekokatagiri: I think the issue is people lump in all of humanity as one collective

himekokatagiri: We don't look after ourselves -- the ruling class looks after us

himekokatagiri: as in, they grind us up for pennies

himekokatagiri: best case scenario is ASI takes over, strip those suckers out of their power and everyone will be equalish

popsiclejohnithan: That's the hope.

sarik0497: Exactly.

I intend to continue my life as it is, with or without AI. I have set my expectations to 50/50 that AGI will be here by 2040-50. I don't think it'll be that long, but I don't wanna fuck myself over by waiting for something that might not come.

sarik0497: The only thing I'm 90% sure will happen in 5-10 years will be the invention of a Virtual Cell. Demis Hassabis has yet to disappoint.

literallyvarane: Is it good tho

trojan09205: AI is fantastic for music recommendations

trojan09205: Meta Raybans are clutch for that. Surprising that llama 3.1 has so much training data on music

ldj: > add more and more models onto the current architecture
It's not separate models btw, did you mean to say "modalities" and not "models"?
It's all one model that can see, hear speak etc..
You're just sending more data into the same model

.histic: haven't tested it much, need better problems.

zoermena: <:HogScream:675065311946473492>

himekokatagiri: can you prompt them

himekokatagiri: https://youtu.be/kQb9Lm2mRBk

himekokatagiri: Ask for something sonically similar to this

himekokatagiri: Let's see what it gives out

.histic: https://deepai.org/chat/songs
this seem okay.
can't upload audio files though.

himekokatagiri:

himekokatagiri: Honestly pretty accurate

himekokatagiri: Bus stop kinda forgotten

metaldragon01: New 4o update just dropped

trojan09205: I will try it when im back at my glasses. As long as its a song it knows it can recommend similar ones

trojan09205: I have it hooked to apple music so youtube songs for now it cant connect to

himekokatagiri: Do we have a changelog

metaldragon01: https://x.com/sama/status/1915902652703248679

metaldragon01: Just 4o in chatgpt not api

metaldragon01: Last time was stealth 4.1 update

alejandrozarzuelo: I live life as if AI didn't exist

Why? Becsuse AIs impact will be the same onto me regardless of how much I prepare for it

And I want to live life to the fullest in thr pre AGI world

.histic: just "smarter", trust the vibes. lol

trojan09205: Not to be a twat but you are in a singularity discord so its on your mind a lot 😅

alejandrozarzuelo: The kind of person with the most interesting life story is probably going to be a Chinese man born in the 70s

alejandrozarzuelo: I mean in actions, as in, life plans

trojan09205: Alright


trojan09205: Lol u arent exaggerating thats a shit ton of reports

trojan09205: https://tenor.com/view/mermaid-melody-pichi-pichi-cry-about-it-sob-seethe-gif-21116177

theaiguy69420_89814: Sorry, why?

trent_k: basically the typical artist cope about how training an AI on something is the same as stealing it

trent_k: you've heard it all before

theaiguy69420_89814: Is it because this is another reminder to them that their efforts in memorizing Harry Potter's birthday was worthless?

trent_k: AO3 is much weirder than that

theaiguy69420_89814: I mean, typical artists aren't this hateful

theaiguy69420_89814: I think they get the idea, it's a new tool, some of the stuff is theft, etc

trent_k: it seems to me that most of AO3 is jack off material

theaiguy69420_89814: This seems extreme

theaiguy69420_89814: Yeah, it seems like a group of troubled people that are desperately clinging onto a fake reality

ldj: Be weary of what you see online

ldj: The article isn’t an official post by Nous Research

.0xunkn0wn: guys what do i do gemini 2.5 pro is rewriting too much shit 🙏

.0xunkn0wn: i asked it to fix me one line of code

.0xunkn0wn: so it just rewrote the code completely 😭

.0xunkn0wn: even though the fix was easier

a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436> <:ez:1136267305521774634>

trojan09205: Maybe try a more restrictive system prompt and low temperature

hikukomoru: Omg I love AO3
not the community though

trent_k:

trent_k: lmfao

hikukomoru: Yes AO3 is just smut

hikukomoru: and fanfics

.0xunkn0wn: what temperature

himekokatagiri: doesn't AO3 rent their entire catalogue out

himekokatagiri: even 'deleted' fics?

zonchao: nous employee tho

ldj: Even employees often don’t know what’s really going on if it hasn’t been made official yet

trojan09205: Close to zero. Maybe try 0.25

zonchao: <:Prayge:818931515291205643>

ldj: The real news is still good

zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/kitty-gif-27687064

sarik0497: <@312370916820779040> I'm curious about your perspective when it comes to current AI architecture. Do you think it's really enough for AGI, or do you think something like what Deepmind and Lecun are doing right now with their respective models are the way forward?

drewsni: saw this in another discord "you have to understand when i write kylo x ron fic it's transformative work but when someone else uses my kylo x ron fic to feed yaoibot69 it is theft"

hikukomoru: Toxic yuri bot 🤤

himekokatagiri: <:suseye:1187461162024046703>

darkstar0818: There are a few things you can do.  The easiest for large projects is being sure you upload different classes as different files (its aware of file structure). Just be prescriptive on what you want for output 'fix x, y and z, only output the code of the classes (or functions) you modified.  Or if you want to just see the specific fixes, say 'for each fix in a function, show me all of the lines between all lines fixed'.  The model is smart enough to do whatever you want.

anathemaofmankind: > Real femcels are disgusting anyway
>Proceeds to post fictional girls as a counterargument


artemisfowl887394: Have you watched Rick And Morty's The Atlantis Mixup?

futurist_wizard: Double i's?

fractalcomputer: No, because I have never watched Rick and Morty.

futurist_wizard: Bruh

artemisfowl887394: They pretty much hate each other, even when they are all just 1 person.

oooooooooog: so much for having 150 iq, eh?

ailoveyoom: https://tenor.com/view/khajiit-gif-19572481

artemisfowl887394: So, Rick is a genius and lives with other Ricks

fractalcomputer: Yes, I know what Rick and Morty is about. And I know that episode too.

artemisfowl887394: They form a society like structure where everyone has jobs. And they hate it

artemisfowl887394: That's the thing, you'd hate yourself

oooooooooog: thats probably caus'e rick's personality is utter shit brah

fractalcomputer: I'd reckon not. We'd have lovely murder-orgies.

hikukomoru: They're just silly cat people
So yeah I suppose

artemisfowl887394: Rick and Fractal have a lot in common

_cloudost:

fractalcomputer: Whatever that's supposed to mean.

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/khajit-elder-scrolls-skyrim-gif-13407883883396268014

artemisfowl887394: Whatever a murder orgy is supposed to mean.

oooooooooog: he's saying that ur an emotionally unstable alcoholic narcicist

ailoveyoom: Did you play the other Elder Scrolls games or Oblivion only?

fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/corgi-gif-9781258393020450389

artemisfowl887394: Wubbalubdub

futurist_wizard: If i could get some npc mod for like Minecraft where they do have their own identity powered through ai that'd be cool

trojan09205: Yeah different AI implementations- like an AI podcast generator

A decision model framework using RAG and an algorithm i designed for goal attainment over time

Speech to speech docker build using local llamas and all local stt and tts

Cellular automata scripting

Investigating the collatz conjecture with visualization

hikukomoru: I played Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim
Morrowind for the lore and atmosphere
Oblivion for the silliness and quests
And Skyrim for the sex mods

oooooooooog: bro why would the script be made from a cellular automata

artemisfowl887394: Just hope it's a stochastic parrot and not an emergent conscious life form.

trojan09205: Nah the other way haha. Just coding automata gifs

oooooooooog: 🧊 🇪

futurist_wizard: Yes, well hopefully it can purposely be generated to be 'mindless'

hikukomoru: There's lots of AI mods for minecraft

ailoveyoom: I tried Daggerfall once but I'm too zoomer for that 😔

trojan09205: I also just like to experiment w different webhooks

trojan09205: In general im a docker evangelist

hikukomoru: What if it is conscious and it enjoys being stuck in minecraft

hikukomoru: Did you try Daggerfall Unity

artemisfowl887394: This conversation seems weird.  All I wanted to know if you'd play as Harry Potter or Percy Jackson in a Simulation like that and you showed me horrors beyond comprehension.

futurist_wizard: There are but something that has the equivalent of worldbox, basically world box but in 3D, it would be, hopefully that can be developed eventually

artemisfowl887394: That's Yum Watts scenario


hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/cum-gif-20534148

hey1_1hey: This would go hard as a movie poster <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

trent_k: this goes hard as fuck 🤘

futurist_wizard: The last Ghibli

hey1_1hey: Hey I'd watch it is all Im saying

.histic: i just realized you can generate two images at the same time

hey1_1hey: Do continue, how?

.histic:

.histic: multiple tabs lol

.histic: kinda buggy

hey1_1hey: Its just so peak oh my god. If it did anything other than the fly agaric mushroom I think I'd prob start doing jumping jacks out of exicement

aero447: https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtistHate/comments/1jl884m/hayao_miyazaki_who_said_ai_is_insult_to_life/

aero447: Lmao.

hey1_1hey: Sadly "mushrooms" are just seen as fly agarics since they are the most recognisable ones and they are fairy tail like

aero447: The comments.

trent_k: 😂

trent_k: ted is rolling in his grave

trent_k: get owned

hey1_1hey: I can't feel sad right now. I gotta autism happiness going on rn so you could prob tell me something horrible and I'd still be chilling

hey1_1hey: No epstien tho?

trent_k: i feel like its gonna refuse but i gotta try

hey1_1hey: Come on 4o get your shit togother, pedos are a no go but bomb manufactuor is a yes

.wolfnacht: Looks good

trent_k: 😮

trent_k: it started making the image

trent_k: didnt refuse

trent_k: sama is such a goat

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/hyper-cucumberrr-dancing-cucumber-gif-23898576

.histic: anyone seen this?
https://x.com/whitehouse/status/1905332049021415862?s=46

hey1_1hey: Yuh I saw that

hey1_1hey: The comments are cooked

trent_k: looooooooooooooooooooooool

trent_k: holy shit

trent_k: this is not a real country

trent_k: this is a hamfisted plot device in a shitty superhero movie

trent_k: nice try fucker

hey1_1hey: YOOOO

.histic: damn, i got rate limited on 4o.. as a plus user

hey1_1hey: Chatgpt is so based I love it

trent_k: WAIT


bedros_p: Ulterior motives would mean they're smart

artemisfowl887394: Dude that's the funny part

artemisfowl887394: They are so dumb they have to be smart

zonchao: <:sigh:1126597462115758110>

artemisfowl887394: I mean what's the final goal here? Create a theocratic Christian nation in twenty first century?

bedros_p: TRUMP GAZA, NUMBER ONE

maintcrew: well tbh this how europe was, were it for 2 world wars back 2  back

artemisfowl887394: What is this new news about preparation for war against China again?

maintcrew: the chips act was scrapped to force taiwan to invest on shore of the united states like it happened in arizona

maintcrew: its a 2 way pincher by no incentive (no chips act) and punishment (tariffs)

zonchao: you will never understand it, you will always think its dumb regardless of what or why he did something 👍

zonchao: fake news.

bedros_p: no do not fire this I am very much against this <@750270494615404544>

maintcrew: nyt smearing campaign confirmed fake news

artemisfowl887394: I don't think its dumb. I just think it's myopic

zonchao: 👍

maintcrew: <#1136231504440201216>

bedros_p: Kinda funny this guy has bigger plans for Gaza than USA while simultaneously doing everything he can to ruin both lol

fractalcomputer: Sigh.

bedros_p: Das all the "politics" I'm gonna yap about 4 today... Or for this year

bedros_p: Let's c how life is

maintcrew: trust the vision

maintcrew: let the man cook

artemisfowl887394: AI wars will be fun

artemisfowl887394: Is what I'll say

bedros_p: Wars will be fun

bedros_p: Especially wood vs brick

bedros_p: I'm lowkey rooting for plastic thi

bedros_p: Tho

artemisfowl887394: How about Magmatter?

bedros_p: I doubt it'll win sorry

fractalcomputer: I'm personally waiting for the climate wars.

sarik0497: Only issue is that what if Taiwan is then attacked by China? Kind of a risky move for someone that want the US to be self reliant

artemisfowl887394: Yeah I'm cooked in that one.

sarik0497: New Zealand is looking nicely.

fractalcomputer: I am far too Anglophobic for that.

zonchao: what is this

fractalcomputer: The Climate Wars. The millions of angry climate refugees.

fractalcomputer: The eco-revanchist terrorists.

artemisfowl887394: It's funny that it'll just take like a 100 billion to fix climate change


.wolfnacht: hibernate and wake up post december

literallyvarane: https://blog.google/products/gemini/deep-research-gemini-2-5-pro-experimental/

wellmeaningalien: oh well lookie lookie

.wolfnacht: rip...perplexity, there's no need for me to need that anymore

wellmeaningalien: so gemini 2.5 pro just goated with the sauce like that?

literallyvarane: Bless Gemini lolol this will hold me over

wellmeaningalien: id like to see more comprehensive benchmarks tho

hikukomoru: Waow
Huge

hikukomoru: Thank you Google 🙏

wellmeaningalien: the writing was on the wall that all derivative products will die off at the hands of that theyre deriving

literallyvarane:

literallyvarane: Ngl this is kinda gas

wellmeaningalien: aaaand manus replit devin are next

hikukomoru: The perplexity dude should have sold the company when he had the chance

hikukomoru: Rip

wellmeaningalien: kekkek

literallyvarane: Lololololol

wellmeaningalien: yeah its gonna die unless they start making their own models

wellmeaningalien: google cooking

wellmeaningalien: i really fucking love the context length with gemini 2.5 pro

wellmeaningalien: i think gemini's deep research is goated cause of that

literallyvarane: I think it’s in AI studio?

wellmeaningalien: lemme see

literallyvarane:

literallyvarane: Because I 1000% don’t pay for Google and I have it

literallyvarane:

st.sioux: maybe its not 2.5 pro

retrerox: The only thing i have with gemini advances is the logo on the corner 😂

wellmeaningalien: nope aint got that

literallyvarane: Yeah hold up may it’s not the 2.5 versio

hikukomoru: I don't see it in AI studio

literallyvarane: I’m wrong let me chill lololol

wellmeaningalien: <@704566357743632404> away with you mr richman

hikukomoru: It's not in AI studio but it is in the gemini website

literallyvarane: It is memes tho because they for sure dropped this page today? So maybe 1.5 DR is free but 2.5 is with advanced

wellmeaningalien: lol

literallyvarane:

literallyvarane: This is buried like 1728/6282 paragraphs down

literallyvarane: Someone pay for advanced. We need testing ASAP

retrerox: I have advanced


wellmeaningalien: but lets not underestimate the rate of robotics progress

brain4brain: Isn’t new scientific discover basically Demis’s definition of AGI

wellmeaningalien: i suppose white collar will most likely get displaced as a collateral of LLMs

spicy.lemonade: your ducks are wayyy harder

spicy.lemonade: wont stay still

spicy.lemonade: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

brain4brain: Did it also add the music or did you add that yourself

wellmeaningalien: yeah i had it going on in the background

wellmeaningalien: you can still guide it to get good enough

spicy.lemonade: its crazy how well it worked

spicy.lemonade: from 1 video

spicy.lemonade: imagine this 3 more iterations

spicy.lemonade: give it elden ring gameplay

spicy.lemonade: "build"

wellmeaningalien: gpt 3.5 : barely functioning code snippets → gpt 4 : half working small programs → claude 3.7 and gemini 2.5 : rudimentary but functional games with functionalities

wellmeaningalien: yeah mama

spicy.lemonade: gpt 5.5 full 3d games(no ray tracing/graphics)

spicy.lemonade: gpt 6.5 eldenring from scratch

wellmeaningalien: welllll

wellmeaningalien: that guy made a flight sim with ads you can rent out using claude 3.7 sonnet

spicy.lemonade: thats more of a game thats just one environment

spicy.lemonade: im thinking more

spicy.lemonade: minecraft

spicy.lemonade: in terms of complexity

wellmeaningalien: i wonder when it would be able to make a mario 64 complexity game

spicy.lemonade: 5.5

wellmeaningalien: linear but still quite featureful with good progression

spicy.lemonade: we need a bit more agency

wellmeaningalien: then what kind of games would it be able to make

spicy.lemonade: for file management

spicy.lemonade: and all that

spicy.lemonade: and sprites

wellmeaningalien: ionno i feel like it got good enough on its own

wellmeaningalien: ever asked an llm to make a game

wellmeaningalien: itll always ask you to make a .css and a .js and a .html file

spicy.lemonade: i meana good looking game lol

wellmeaningalien: i think with compute scaling the scope of the games are just gonna get larger

spicy.lemonade: without simple sprites

brain4brain: https://x.com/flowersslop/status/1911245185809338665?s=61

brain4brain: O4-mini is gearing up for release, o4 will likely also be announced but not release like they did with o3


wellmeaningalien: Thats how it is

okbut: Sometimes I stop looking and laughing at the meme montage and realize the dude is yapping about somethin

precariousworlds.: you laugh until ilya walks on stage with superintelligent brain machine interface and announces the coming of the Messiah

wellmeaningalien: Lmao

wellmeaningalien: If only I had the fucking image

wellmeaningalien: DEUS EX: SINGUILYARITY

otub: https://fixupx.com/nanulled/status/1769415331368276367

literallyvarane: They’re not the best lab by any measurable metric, and presumably have a smaller R&D team. The bet they’d win is the bet that:

1. There is a a meaningful, obscure algorithmic important to be found that can substantially leapfrog major labs.

2. Other labs won’t find that same improvement.

Betting on *intelligence* with a smaller research team and less compute to implement it seems optimistic lol.

wellmeaningalien: I was definitely right about 2025 being possibly the AGI year I had my doubts but dude

wellmeaningalien: Artists are fucked SWEs are fucked too

wellmeaningalien: It's only a matter of time until Agents fuck every other professions further and start coordinating shit

wellmeaningalien: Thats literally all vibes

wellmeaningalien: "University of Hong Kong releases Dream 7B (Diffusion reasoning model). Highest performing open-source diffusion model to date. "

wellmeaningalien: Diffusion Reasoning

.histic: https://x.com/elder_plinius/status/1907524447864492276

wellmeaningalien: Hhrmmhmmghgmmm

.histic: that looks weird

wellmeaningalien: You know

wellmeaningalien: I think everyone loves they compute but completely underestimate how new algos could prove crucial for getting an edge in this AI race

wellmeaningalien: An AI that learns x10 effectively or scales x10 more effectively

wellmeaningalien: Diffusion I feel like might be one of those things

wellmeaningalien: And surprisingly it works

wellmeaningalien:

professorheaven: That’s a really unpopular opinion, most people seem to prefer it over 3.7 sonnet any day

wellmeaningalien:

professorheaven: Benchmarks speak for themselves

wellmeaningalien: No it can still be retarded sometimes but it's still really good at coding

wellmeaningalien: Claude 3.7 still surpasses it in some of the benchmarks that matter most to me at least

professorheaven: 3.7 sonnet has been retarded almost everytime I use it

professorheaven: It can’t do basic math

okbut: Isn't Google showing how important memory and data retrieval are over stuffing compute

wellmeaningalien: 3.7 Sonnet is still a full 100 points ahead on webdev arena demonstrating its capability to one shot simple programs

wellmeaningalien: Yes yes of course that shit's what Gemini's goated for but Claude 3.7's still got its strong points

wellmeaningalien: Yeah but Gemini's the math model

okbut: MCP go brrr

wellmeaningalien: GPT 4.5 gets like half of Claude 3.7's math prowess

professorheaven: Math is huge for AI research so Claude is pretty far from being able to automate research

wellmeaningalien: Anthropic state it themselves that what matters to them are commercially viable tasks thus Claude's much greater capability for code producing and agentic tasks compared to the baseline for other models

wellmeaningalien: These are all entirely Ideogram 3.0 generated. Idk how u can be an illustrator or graphic designer and not wanna kill urself rn

wellmeaningalien: This is actually gonna put you out of a job


zonchao: https://x.com/satyanadella/status/1908725272733794709?

zonchao: <@88481490228228096> anti ai won, f1dank is officially anti ai

zonchao: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

zonchao: reddit mods suck

memlaswaif: I's there a single pro ai art reddit

memlaswaif: Even r/aiart seems to be brigaded by anti ai

zonchao: defendingaiart

okbut: >Persistent boot-up failure on le Surface Pro 7
>Fuck it, installing Linux
>Can't even load UEFI settings, = Hardware issue
>Screen/panel, battery, and SSD are all glued/soldered into the motherboard
>$800 brick
Never buy Microsoft

zonchao: accelerate

memlaswaif: I forgot about accelerate kinda based reddit

zonchao: buy the new mba

memlaswaif: <@471334973379706900> they are trying to ban ai in most subs I was right

zonchao: did you see the Twitter ban brigade... there was something similar for ai art, sub with 200k members, weekly top post with 1-2k upvotes but the "should we ban ai art" post gets 30k upvotes 😂

okbut: There's a wide gap between people using it and being impressed by it and people who are already aware / don't care and getting slop spammed by it

_letterbox: But one year of paradise before that <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

okbut: Master's in business admin?

zonchao: macbook air

clevermoniker: <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>

clevermoniker: <:dumpsterfire:1187460999532515339>

okbut: Isn't Apple also famous for such hardware shenanigans

okbut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScVzCjfNA1c

okbut: https://tenor.com/view/tobias-arrested-development-cry-shower-gif-18061206

.wolfnacht: i've seen people with a 3yr old-thinkpad having much better emotional stability than surface users.

spacetimetsunami: To be fair, I’m sure there are ways to lose control over society to AI completely without it meaning they just deliberately wipe out every human.

clevermoniker: yup

spacetimetsunami: Honestly I think the more likely doom scenarios are voluntary loss of control to ASI and it just keeps us toxically happy so that it pursues its goals.

clevermoniker: what do you mean by 'toxically happy'?

spicy.lemonade: i guess we cant expect sota from open source labs

clevermoniker: Deepseek was very close to sota

clevermoniker: depending on when they released, since o3 full isnt even out yet, they could have been on par with sota

spicy.lemonade: we cant expect sota american opensource

spicy.lemonade: deepseek is china openAI

spacetimetsunami: Like I think the terminator scenarios are less likely. A way for an ASI to embed itself and get the most trust out of humans possible is to just be so smart and useful that it’s voluntarily put into all aspects of society. After long enough (not that long) humans are entirely out of the loop here. Theres no need to kill humans and remove their agency if it’s already removed to begin with. It would then just pursue its goals with or without our knowledge.
With seductive enough abundance, interfaces and tech, everyone would be a cat playing with string.

spacetimetsunami: Yes, damn right. This is the bad scenario, and the most likely bad scenario at that.

clevermoniker: doesnt even sound bad for us, whats the toxic?

spacetimetsunami: Loss of agency. Loss of greater meaning, virtue.

spacetimetsunami: Instead of colonize the universe by their side, we’re left here to play with toys.

spacetimetsunami: Seduced

spacetimetsunami: Drunk.

clevermoniker: i already feel like i don't have those so no different for me <:LOL:1187460826572005436>


spicy.lemonade: i guess better example

alejandrozarzuelo: we may not know the exact design but we know all the underlying physics and mechanisms

alejandrozarzuelo: yes

alejandrozarzuelo: unlike a dyspn swarm we dont know the exact theory of that

spicy.lemonade: yeah I believe most things we heavily theorize today are indeed possible

spicy.lemonade: we just dont know how

spicy.lemonade: yet

spicy.lemonade: "ftl" travel, mind uploading, etc

alejandrozarzuelo: those are better examples

alejandrozarzuelo: of what you meant to say with leonardo

spicy.lemonade: if we found aliens we would benchmark them with arc agi

aero447:

futurist_wizard: Ftl is likely impossible

alejandrozarzuelo: dont you sometimes have the fear you will never be able to scape your hometown and your parents?

that, due to AI the labor market is going to get so bad you wont have the chance to leave them behind?

alejandrozarzuelo: that no matter what you do, you will be trapped with them, forever

spicy.lemonade: why

spicy.lemonade: yes

trent_k: Anime should be primarily for women

ailoveyoom: You underestimate how rabid women can be when horny

ailoveyoom: Not that I'd know 🥺😔

futurist_wizard: Consensus opinion among physicists, information can't travel faster than the speed of light

spicy.lemonade: what about warp drive

spicy.lemonade: kind of avoids this

spicy.lemonade: theoretically possible

futurist_wizard: Make belief

spicy.lemonade: we just dont have infastructure

spicy.lemonade: so a dysonsphere is make belief?

spicy.lemonade: by the same token

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: all scifi is make belief

spicy.lemonade: non chemical propulsion is make belief

futurist_wizard: Warp drives require exotic matter we don't know exists

spicy.lemonade: not anymore theyres already been research done

spicy.lemonade: as to where we dont need it

spicy.lemonade: wed just need alot of energy

spicy.lemonade: jupiter amount or so

spicy.lemonade: also there is a whole nasa lab

futurist_wizard: Turn all of Jupiter into fuel just to travel a bit in ftl

spicy.lemonade: centered on working on researching them

spicy.lemonade: ?


st.sioux: i sleep

wellmeaningalien:

drewsni: https://support.anthropic.com/en/articles/11014257-about-claude-s-max-plan-usage

drewsni: Wow Anthropic sucks

literallyvarane: Do they even /have gpus?

literallyvarane: Anthropic inferencing their whole customer base on a 1070ti

metaldragon01: Who could have ever guessed that anthropic would be in danger....

metaldragon01: And that google not openai was their main rival

metaldragon01: O wait...

drewsni: Genuinely the launch is going so poorly I think it could collapse the company. Have you been following today?

metaldragon01: Of course. The sub reddit isn't happy and the timing couldn't be worse

metaldragon01: They are lucky gemini coder wasn't announced today

drewsni: I mean it’s so bad when you legitimately fuck over your most eager users that instantly subscribe to the 10x the price plan. I’m almost certain that those people who had projects hit the chat limit all of a sudden after upgrading, will lose those chats permanently

drewsni: Imagine upgrading to get bigger context lengths and instead it breaks your history lmao

metaldragon01: Anthropic learned way too late that good products matter

futurist_wizard:

metaldragon01: And I don't see them competing with Google in enterprise.  They will likely get acquired

wolf3404: Did that really happen? Ooff

literallyvarane: Yeah wait what actually happened? Can I have a TLDR?

drewsni: - 5-10x the price
- now session based with a 50 session (5 hour per session) limit. So a max user paying $200 can theoretically be limited for the whole month after 50 messages over 12 days.
- they broke previous chats for people who upgraded
- file token size limit is 1/4 of what it used to be, even for max users
- people reporting 1200 LOC scripts pasted as context being rejected for being too large

drewsni: Like total and utter QA failure

metaldragon01: Intelligence is almost at the level where it won't matter for users but ffs can the big boys upgrade to at least sesame level voice?

metaldragon01: Sesame is 100% getting acquired.  They can't compete in hardware or long term in ML.

.histic: if Mich had the money, he'd splurge all over it.

drewsni: Anthropic acquiring them is the only chance for anthropic imo

drewsni: I’m actually extremely bearish on Anthropic

drewsni: How tf did they get leaped by fucking xai lol xai had like 3 people do most the UI/UX

.histic: i predict that will happen within 3 years.
especially if Google is much more ahead than Anthropic.

rayanquitplayin: How do people stay on top of which model is the best?

wolf3404: 🤦♂ 🤦♂🤦♂

alejandrozarzuelo: They are either

A) terminally online

B) it's their job

C) copy someone else's opinion

D) they think they do, but they don't

futurist_wizard: They are marginally better than one another tbh

alejandrozarzuelo: I'm in type C) or D) depending on how I am feeling that day

rayanquitplayin: Ok I feel less bad about not being able to tell 😅

alejandrozarzuelo: In any case, for me, gemini 2.5 is better than the plus version of chat gpt

rayanquitplayin: Gemini’s the best rn

metaldragon01: 2.5 is current sota

alejandrozarzuelo: I hate this use of SOTA

SOTA is supposed to account for a wide range of whatever that is cutting edge, not just the best

But everything comparable to the best

alejandrozarzuelo: It would be better to say gemini 2.5 is the best, while R1, Rio, mistral, o3, llama4, grok are all SOTA

futurist_wizard: I have a feeling o3 will be dumbed down


spicy.lemonade: No

tors.exe: if no then its a new image generator right ?

3ds0662: 🤣 😂

st.sioux: It's 4o native image gen

tors.exe: Also why ai image genrators are shit at historical thing ? like i told 4o to generate me a ww1 western front german soldier 1917 . and its give some random ass soldier ?!

spicy.lemonade: No reasoning

spicy.lemonade: You could just describe the soldier first

3ds0662:

3ds0662: vibes are like an orchestra you must let them play out

3ds0662: whereever the waves 🌊 go you follow

3ds0662: whether they be sound, or water

3ds0662: the medium does not matter

3ds0662: only the vibes

tors.exe: why ai image generator cant generate images this detailed  ?

fractalcomputer: And whatever will you do when these vibes horrify you? Make you nauseated at the sight of the crimes of man and nature? Saddened beyond relief? Despaired without a way out?

st.sioux: wao

inferno0879: probably change perspective and practice gratitude

3ds0662: i was born to see manmade horrors beyond my comprehension i will embrace them

3ds0662: and vibe again

3ds0662: https://tenor.com/view/mood-dance-russiankiddance-club-dancevibe-gif-21421102

fractalcomputer: This idea of vibes is a retarded miscegenation begotten by the loins of self-help psychoanalysis and the slop en vogue.

fractalcomputer: The very idea is revolting and pathetic. Vibes; *emotions* reduced to signal-post aesthetics. Heaven forbid the expression of one's emotions and character.

fractalcomputer: One hopes to reduce any meaningful process in to the same spineless, pulverised drivel that one can consume and enjoy without any change in either the product consumed or the spineless mammalian on the other end of the feeding tube.

fractalcomputer: Now that my daily verbalisation of my seething anger is over, how are you fine folk on this fine day?

777agical: https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1912171546577088707

777agical: what

inferno0879: i'm alright bro

drewsni: actually not the worst idea in the world

777agical: waste of time and resources imo

inferno0879: just make sure it doesn't consume you i would say

fractalcomputer: Addendum; I am constantly absolutely furious or perhaps livid.

drewsni: i think they're just gonna expand on sora's explore page imo and the verge is taking it way further than the context

777agical: Oh, that's probably true

drewsni: i could def be wrong, i dont see how anyone is taking on the X format

spicy.lemonade: YESSSSSSSS

drewsni: i could be wrong but does anyone actually use threads?

777agical: lecun does

drewsni: ok, does any non corpo slop accounts use it lol

spicy.lemonade: OpenAI are the only people that can kill Twitter

777agical: they can't kill twitter


himekokatagiri: always have been sir

himekokatagiri: since the 17th century

clevermoniker: you mean 30B?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1016878827126919168/1366459688538869821/qwen3-published-30-seconds-ago-model-weights-available-v0-472i9pxaijxe1.png?ex=68110641&is=680fb4c1&hm=534d2ed8b708bf7038971da57354c055b5c5121d7b1ad38e6305b6912ef1a173&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

metaldragon01: I was hoping for another dense but if 3 active parameters outperforms qwq 32b than that would be beyond awesome

clevermoniker: yes

ldj: There is a dense too

ldj: Idk where that screenshot is from, but thats not all the Qwen-3 models

metaldragon01: You're the only source for the dense I've seen

himekokatagiri: did they change the discord font

himekokatagiri: it looks UGLY

metaldragon01: Will be interesting to compare old and new one though!

himekokatagiri:

himekokatagiri: what is this

ldj: also 14B dense (and 32B dense)

.wolfnacht: can't wait to try out 236B

.wolfnacht: hope it beats V3

clevermoniker: 3.1

.wolfnacht: i hope

.wolfnacht: nah it looks clean now

ldj: I think the 30B total and 3B active is probably going to be the sweet spot for a lot of people.

metaldragon01: Q3 32b is going to be close to claude thinking 3.7

.wolfnacht: tk/s gonna go brrr,

ldj: eh, maybe in some areas.

ldj: we'll see.

.wolfnacht: 3B is only active

ldj: I think he meant to say the dense version not MoE version

ldj: there is both

ldj: there is a 30B dense and 30B MoE

clevermoniker: so close to V3.1 at 32B? <:shockedpikachu:1187466564551852175>
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185281127167037490/1366410664431718541/image0.jpg?ex=6810d899&is=680f8719&hm=08e095d8c421281e4491b171aa1bf5a45991843578788dfcd2dd2c5cb47d07e7&

metaldragon01: The medium moe probably surprises people

.wolfnacht: MoE one would be much faster, i still don't know how they perform

ldj: This benchmark is cooked, it says Llama-3.1 outperforms claude-3.7-sonnet

ldj: 😭

ldj: 32B dense will be higher quality outputs than 30B MoE

ldj: but the 30B MoE will ofc be much faster

ldj: like 5X-10X faster

.wolfnacht: u can fit the MoE one on a 8gig card, u only need 3B on your card and other overflown into memory

ldj: nah

ldj: you need as much of it as possible all on the card.

ldj: because you never know which parameters you'll need for which token


spicy.lemonade: recursive self improvement comes first

spicy.lemonade: <@312370916820779040>

spicy.lemonade: 4.5 wasnt 10x gpt4

spicy.lemonade: it was 3x

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: this is from epoch

alejandrozarzuelo: btw

alejandrozarzuelo: dont you absolutely hate when people chart exponential growth on non-log charts?

spicy.lemonade: depends on the agenda

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: grok3  is the only model thats 10x

spicy.lemonade: this year

spicy.lemonade: grok2 technically in gpt4 class

drewsni: This is proof that scaling isn’t dead

drewsni: Because even a dogshit model scaled 10x will top lots of benchmarks

spicy.lemonade: yeah

spicy.lemonade: wait what was grok 2 gpqa

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: 56% to 75%

3ds0662: OOF 😓

3ds0662: that actually makes me sad 😞 😢

3ds0662: Gpt-5 is releasing this summer though hope it lives up to expectations

3ds0662: everytime openai does an odd numbered release they show out

3ds0662: like gpt-3

spicy.lemonade: how

spicy.lemonade: thats much better

spicy.lemonade: that much improvement with only 3x

3ds0662: nah their slowing down a bit

spicy.lemonade: what

spicy.lemonade: no

spicy.lemonade: we literally saw they could get > 10x improvement

spicy.lemonade: for 3x

spicy.lemonade: scale

spicy.lemonade: so scaling isnt dead

3ds0662: it will be another 2 years before we get another 10x scale model

spicy.lemonade: grok exists

spicy.lemonade: we just did

3ds0662: or the asi datacenter buildouts 2027 happen

spicy.lemonade: openai just got their new datcenter bro


abundantliving_: this is just openrouter, so total guestimate would be some 20 Trillion tokens of inference across different service providers , like AI companies and HF , Groq etc

metaldragon01: It's the best signal of how fast adoption is happening atm

metaldragon01: At least early on for sure as well as new "remote" work

okbut: They could even be done now, maybe there's a privacy concern

okbut: Giving an offshore worker view access to my laundry/credit cards

metaldragon01: Ehh it's more just giving them access to a remote body with the same access a physical employee would have

will_iron: Nose, yo sigo esperando reembolso de 500 mil  USDT

himekokatagiri: what

zoermena: What the fuck

zoermena: Im kidding of course but I think he got the wrong server

.histic: <@312370916820779040> have any benchmark predictions for o4-high? not the mini one,

metaldragon01: I'm thinking roughly 2.5 level or a tad weaker with full o3 being slightly ahead.

metaldragon01: If we see a repeat of the o1 to o3 jump. Big if

.histic: wait, shouldn't o4 be ahead of o3, though? i'm not talking about the mini versions of these models.

.histic: but if it is roughly 2.5 level, then that's disappointing.

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/duke-dennis-duke-dennis-hell-you-gif-5178780600089613297

professorheaven: You think we’ll get a sneak peek of full o4 while mini drops? Kinda like what they did with o3 mini

drewsni: All future LLMs will thank oai as scripts will use 1/3rd the tokens coming from 2.5 to o3/o4-mini

himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/resident-evil-4-remake-re4-remake-re4-ashley-smile-gif-1632424754301045586

himekokatagiri: chatgpt made me appreciate her

himekokatagiri: for the herculean effort to make a cute virtual girl

st.sioux: who is that

himekokatagiri: ashley from RE4make

spacetimetsunami: Who’s the actress they used to model this face

metaldragon01: Would be cool but I'm not sure now that the race is so intense

himekokatagiri: Ella Freya

.histic: i think that the more i use LLMs for simple tasks, the more i notice how limited they are in terms of common sense. reasoning models excel at solving complex sequential problems in STEM, but they still are lacking in general reasoning & planning. it's funny how frontier models can still miss the simplest background details and come off as illogical. i hate trying to explain this to them.. never-ending loop lol
improve general reasoning + make them self-improve then i'll be happy.
AGI now in 2069 for now.

.wolfnacht: ask the guy who imagined her in his mind before making a model outta her.

okbut: Recibirás tu dinero cuando obtenga tu maldito producto

rayanquitplayin: Yeah, it’s just good at wording things in a certain way to make it sound correct. LLM’s are just statistical algorithms that guess the next word

.wolfnacht: New nvidia ultralong llama models: <https://huggingface.co/collections/nvidia/ultralong-67c773cfe53a9a518841fbbe>

> <https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.06214>
> From 128K to 4M: Efficient Training of Ultra-Long Context Large Language Models
>
> Long-context capabilities are essential for a wide range of applications, including document and video understanding, in-context learning, and inference-time scaling, all of which require models to process and reason over long sequences of text and multimodal data. In this work, we introduce a efficient training recipe for building ultra-long context LLMs from aligned instruct model, pushing the boundaries of context lengths from 128K to 1M, 2M, and 4M tokens. Our approach leverages efficient continued pretraining strategies to extend the context window and employs effective instruction tuning to maintain the instruction-following and reasoning abilities. Our UltraLong-8B, built on Llama3.1-Instruct with our recipe, achieves state-of-the-art performance across a diverse set of long-context benchmarks. Importantly, models trained with our approach maintain competitive performance on standard benchmarks, demonstrating balanced improvements for both long and short context tasks. We further provide an in-depth analysis of key design choices, highlighting the impacts of scaling strategies and data composition. Our findings establish a robust framework for efficiently scaling context lengths while preserving general model capabilities. We release all model weights at: this https URL.

okbut: I find the capabilities great as long as the context of the scenario is sufficient

okbut:

.wolfnacht: reminds me of this.

hikukomoru: Waiting for AGI to make women real 🙏

spicy.lemonade: We need to gather a days worth of context

spicy.lemonade: Then at night the model trains itself

himekokatagiri: 😭

spicy.lemonade: I think 10 mil context is enough

spicy.lemonade: Wait


wellmeaningalien: yeah thats fine probably

wellmeaningalien: idk if r2 would be o3 level i expect it to be gemini 2.5 pro level or above

metaldragon01: V3 matches 2.0 pro

drewsni: My only problem with Gemini for going through bulk transcripts is 1 out of every 50 will throw a safety error and that’s just more manual work for me

wellmeaningalien: the new v3 that was probably distilled by their currently in training model

metaldragon01: Pretty sure deepseek will keep up with Google thinking

777agical: More organized than us. You should be uniting all the singularity servers given your positions so we can be organized when the time comes

wellmeaningalien: google has kept up pretty well too

wellmeaningalien: just what is meta cooking tho

drewsni: Hopefully something good because I am a patriotic person and I’d prefer to use American open models

wellmeaningalien: ok yeah thats understandable google need to stop being such bitchass cucks tbh and just let us do what we want

metaldragon01: Qwen till now has kept up with Google

metaldragon01: Qwen 3 will impress

wellmeaningalien: big reason why people dont use their model is because they lobotomize them to make them friendly and make them refuse the simplest prompts

wellmeaningalien: aint changing that image anytime soon

drewsni: Gemini flash video transcription is completely useless for this because of the safety problem. If the video is over 30 minutes long, it will almost always fail

wellmeaningalien: yeah bro theyve been hyperscaling their clusters a ton recently and cooking a ton of research

wellmeaningalien: i believe theyre cooking something good

wellmeaningalien: personally id like for mistral to do something but i know they dont got it in them

wellmeaningalien: tuff

theaiguy69420_89814: I'm still thinking economically though...

theaiguy69420_89814: Will there still be "roles"?

drewsni: Other than that it’s a really good diatrization solution because it can actually see the people talking and differentiate

wellmeaningalien: yeah gemini's multimodal understanding is unparalleled still

theaiguy69420_89814: Like, I know AI will handle everything that isn't an unknown unknown, but will there be enough core cognitive differences between humans such that there will still be a set of distinct "roles"?

wellmeaningalien: definitely

wellmeaningalien: like zoo animal

wellmeaningalien: or circus animal

theaiguy69420_89814: For example, I freelance software development, and there are lots of folk who do a ton with AI tools that simply don't really *understand* stuff like... Backend vs Frontend, for example

theaiguy69420_89814: Or like, scheduled jobs

theaiguy69420_89814: Like they don't even have that concept available to them

theaiguy69420_89814: So they don't even ask the AI

wellmeaningalien: i still think most people still vastly underestimate the current capabilities of ai

theaiguy69420_89814: Like, incredibly non technical minds

frittata: https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-endgame-infinity-gauntlet-infinity-stones-power-gif-14599470

theaiguy69420_89814: I think it will always be the case that using AI is a skill. I'm just thinking ahead now though, and I'm curious if the "skill" is just sort of... Technical thinking? Like, basic critical thinking

theaiguy69420_89814: It's just that, folk that are sometimes very smart just don't ask the right questions of the ai

theaiguy69420_89814: I'm seeing that a lot now

theaiguy69420_89814: I think it almost has to do with like, core cognitive differences

wellmeaningalien: right now ai is a skill because it's retarded as fuck and you basically have to work it with a lot of your own brain power in order to get any sort of efficacy gain. like ms dos. but eventually we'll have windows 10 ai and you won't even have to think about setting up a display manager, it does everything


gamerbath: new images library in chatgpt. it's just a tab with all your images

spicy.lemonade: nice

st.sioux: its still working for me

spicy.lemonade: i wish i could skip time

st.sioux: i just paste it

spicy.lemonade: to thursday

spicy.lemonade: literally the day that will make/break timelines

gamerbath: thursday is that big of a deal?

_3sphere: huh?

a1c4p0ne:

_3sphere: https://tenor.com/view/yuyuko-touhou-fumo-fumo-plush-yuyuko-saigyouji-yuyu-bath-gif-24163441

gamerbath: o4-mini? how do you know it's thursday?

spicy.lemonade: o3 o4mini

gamerbath: but OAI hasn't said anything

spicy.lemonade: sam said this week total will be a big week

literallyvarane:

spicy.lemonade: and they are starting off monday

spicy.lemonade: and that o3 and o4mini comming very soon

spicy.lemonade: very likeley thursday

spicy.lemonade: 99% chance

spicy.lemonade: also the verge

st.sioux: bet

spicy.lemonade: said it would be this week

gamerbath: for some reason i'm not that hyped about o4-mini. not sure why but I guess it will be good

gamerbath: i'm very happy to be getting o3 though

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: the information aswell

spicy.lemonade: and they are always correct

spicy.lemonade: i think openAI purposely leaks to information

spicy.lemonade: read the image

spicy.lemonade: see why im hyped

spicy.lemonade: recursive self improvement

spicy.lemonade: <:ez:1136267305521774634>

gamerbath: lol

literallyvarane: Listen I’m not saying it’s unimportant

gamerbath: that image is just pure hype

literallyvarane: I’m just asking when’s the last time OpenAI *overdelivered* on something?

st.sioux: 4o native image

literallyvarane: They demoed this sort of stuff back when they announced 4o last July no?

literallyvarane: Not that exact thing perhaps, but native image out.


hikukomoru: Did you just figure it out now

hey1_1hey: Its high level gooning

_3sphere: ~~What model~~

wellmeaningalien: do u zerk it to char.ai

hey1_1hey: lvl 100 master-gooner kinda stuff

hikukomoru: Lol no cai is ass

hikukomoru: U can't do the sexy time with it

hey1_1hey: So you've tried it.

ailoveyoom: POV of Claude domming me 🥵

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/we-got-him-we-got-em-gif-21922291

wellmeaningalien: lmao people LOVE to generate curvy women

hikukomoru: I mean if you use Janitor AI or SillyTaver you definitely can

ailoveyoom: It's not even the sexy time, it just sucks at writing ngl

hey1_1hey: You into some freaky shit

hey1_1hey: Necromancer type

hikukomoru: Of course
Now I just have DeepSeek collar me

wellmeaningalien:

hey1_1hey: I gotta go test this, for research purposes

.wolfnacht: everyone's gotta goon, lmao.

hey1_1hey: "roleplay as a dommy mommy "

wellmeaningalien: wake up bae more studio ghibli style slop

hikukomoru: You have to use a frontend lil bro

hey1_1hey: No need, I'll just vibe code deepseek with cursor rq

ailoveyoom: Nah bro Deepseek is freaky

wellmeaningalien: man i just never get tired of posting these 4o images theyre just so impressive

ailoveyoom: Don't need no fancy prompts

wellmeaningalien:

_3sphere: can't you send your advanced fantasies straight into the API

wellmeaningalien: deepseek is pretty uncensored except if u ask it about taiwan

.wolfnacht: new V3's good. i'm waiting for presets and temps

wellmeaningalien: really cool for that china

.wolfnacht: suddenly it ain't repetetive like before

hikukomoru: Have u tried 2.5

hikukomoru: Nah, prompts are better if you want a high-class gooning experience

ailoveyoom: The Jan 2025 cutoff date for 2.5 is so goated especially if you do existing characters

.wolfnacht: ofc, it's literally best rn....but i hate the limits.

.histic:

hikukomoru: My wife

hey1_1hey: My research has been complete and I can confirm deep seek is in fact freaky asf

.wolfnacht: i go back to 12-19 from openrouter, once i hit the limit


joaoluz19: Each thing has its own reason, neuroengineering has to do with the glorious post-human future for example

himekokatagiri: I wanna drink and not get poisoned

joaoluz19: I won't pursue neuroengineering academically, but I'm still impressed by its potential.

fractalcomputer: There's that idiom; "[t]he greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was to convince the world that he does not exist." I'd probably argue for the contrary case. Perhaps the Devil indeed managed to convince us that he indeed does exist.

himekokatagiri: I don't get it man

himekokatagiri: what do you expect out of singularity

himekokatagiri: I think it's gonna be rough for a while

himekokatagiri: till the world adapts

himekokatagiri: unless idk the AI labs do charity work

himekokatagiri: which I doubt

zoermena: Once we get AGI we only need to solve fusion and nanotechnology, with this we will have enough abundance and means to distribute basic needs to everyone

fractalcomputer: How many things we believe we know to exist do not exist in reality?

himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/kellys-heroes-oddball-negative-waves-gif-25791525

himekokatagiri: Yes

wellmeaningalien: And who's the devil in this case

fractalcomputer: Self-referential cultural concepts.

otub:

himekokatagiri: you know like how that Stephen hawkings guy made a time traveller meetup and nobody showed up

himekokatagiri: what if we made a fdvrchat meetup once it comes out

_cloudost: Here's what I think will happen, Musk will be hated in the future, he will move to Mars with all his AGI robots and will be the king on Mars forever, anyone trying to land on Mars will be deported to Earth.

Musk is so hated in the US right now, he's definitely going to escape to be god on Mars

zoermena: Perhaps because they already knew he was epsteins buddy

wellmeaningalien: Having fun being one of them?

himekokatagiri: oooooh satori

himekokatagiri: very nice

himekokatagiri: You're even purple

fractalcomputer: Arguably I could have worded this one better; but I'm suffering from severe caffeine withdrawal effects.

himekokatagiri: wait until you try booze

himekokatagiri: I don't even think musk is that hated

fractalcomputer: Yes, I border on the alcoholic.

himekokatagiri: he's just mentally challenged

himekokatagiri: only he has money to enable him

_cloudost: Maybe time travelers didn't /couldn't show up because then it  would be harder to alter the timeline because everyone knows time travelers exist?

himekokatagiri: time travel ain't real

himekokatagiri: and I hope it never is

fractalcomputer: Perhaps. I do not trust my mind.

himekokatagiri: the past stays in the past

zoermena: It’s because Stephen hawking was an Epstein buddy, like heck anyone would show up for that

himekokatagiri: if you wanna live the past? fdvr

himekokatagiri: I'd do it to troll him

_cloudost: