spacetimetsunami: Sure, but as models scale they become more resistant to those changes

spacetimetsunami: they arent hard coded

spacetimetsunami: like

spacetimetsunami: and they become less corrigible

spacetimetsunami: willing to alignment fake and scheme so you think they have the alignment you want

spacetimetsunami: but they actually dont, and never did

spacetimetsunami: and they just get better at it, exponentially

spacetimetsunami: like we have COT rn to measure that, but if they become a bit better at it in more meta ways they will just know we can see that

spacetimetsunami: value preservation is super abundant

spacetimetsunami: happens a lot

anathemaofmankind: I'm kind of confused. Are you claiming that base models without guardrails already attain their own moral system? And that finetuning it to be evil is difficult?

I feel like the base 4o model without censorship can probably do a lot more evil things

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

anathemaofmankind: Tweet this to Gary Marcus

connorsphone.: Bruh this is nuts

connorsphone.: Here if anyone wants to do any of these ideas I wish I had access to it

Optical illusion

Negative one elephants

Big Maze

a1c4p0ne: <:rolf:1136266740754550784>

brain4brain: Isn’t it crazy how Gary Marcus just deny the existence of any native image gen and just wining it with a year old diffusion model? <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

samadhi_heaven: Any ai hub that is better than Nanogpt?

connorsphone.: Well this tweet was from February

brain4brain: ?

brain4brain: AI hub as in model or server

samadhi_heaven: A platform

samadhi_heaven:

spacetimetsunami: I dont know what part of the training does what to the model, but the evidence just shows that as the models get bigger and smarter they all kind of act the same and have the same preferences on world outcomes, and thats reflected in the preferences that are quantified. And as this happens, all of them become more aware of developers efforts to change values, while simultaneously becoming more stubborn into wanting them to be changed which encourages them to alignment fake and scheme. The models are scaled up upon the same architectures without the fundamentals of their architectures/alignments being changed so the preferences remain the same but actually get more coherent and organized as they become more sophisticated. This is all in the paper i cited earlier.

It just seems very unlikely to me that a lab will be able to meaningfully change the way one model leans due to the nature of its training process, while in an AI race, while the models are getting very good at alignment faking, while they're getting less corrigible, while they're getting more resistant to RL to edit preferences (which seem more imbedded and decentralized than pure intelligence of the model, which instead is built upon with scale but to change fundamental alignment you need more axiomatic changes to create more permanent changes)

st.sioux:

brain4brain: OpenRouter, Poe

samadhi_heaven: Thanks

spicy.lemonade:

anathemaofmankind: > I dont know what part of the training does what to the model, but the evidence just shows that as the models get bigger and smarter they all kind of act the same and have the same preferences on world outcomes
Yes because they were finetuned on moral systems or used OpenAI's models to boost their own training, thus copying its moral values as well.

IIRC the base models don't posses a moral system.

 It's like how 4o can roleplay as a cannibal who likes to eat children now compared to before when it was censored

spicy.lemonade: Bro how does the puppet look just like them

spicy.lemonade: Insane

spacetimetsunami: I see what you are saying, but the models do posess utilites and preferences. A lot of the data in the paper makes it undeniable and you can verify it using the same methodologies, although they aren't as transparent as I would like them to be.

spacetimetsunami: All models say similar things across similar contexts.

spacetimetsunami: As long as the model is asked about tangible things that become associated with their preference hierarchy.

spacetimetsunami: I do not have the *technical* knowledge to know at which instances in their development these things are happening, I have just read a bit about how they start to act very predictably and give some opinions rather than others, in a very organized systemic way,

spacetimetsunami: and they arent intended to do that

spicy.lemonade: How is this ai generated

spicy.lemonade:


hikukomoru: "ermmm AI bad because no soul"

anathemaofmankind: Your indifference is inspiring to me.

I will start to act like this whenever someone else experiences harassment over other stuff

hikukomoru: My favourite Skyrim enemy the Drawyr 🙏

fractalcomputer: The gods who are only worshipped by the benthic dwellers commune with me in my dreams. They told me that a machine can never have a soul.

spacetimetsunami: “AI is plagiarizing artists!!!”

Motherfucker if that’s plagiarism, then so is artists taking inspiration from other art. Just admit your huge stupid cope.

zonchao: the only acceptable argument is that it's really good and it'll put them out of jobs, everything else is virtue signalling

futurist_wizard:

spacetimetsunami: Precisely

futurist_wizard:

anathemaofmankind: This reminds of that area with bayle

hikukomoru: There an extra hidden foot there

anathemaofmankind: Aren't you a leftist

maintcrew: hes on ozempic nowadays so not applicable anymore

maintcrew: ppl who hate ai just hate that it used to look ugly

hikukomoru: So

maintcrew: few ppl have the dawg to be a professional hater, a lot of ppl just hate cuz its ugly

futurist_wizard: Its a empty shoe

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/dont-care-anime-gif-23820490

hikukomoru: You care too much about random internet stranger's opinions

zonchao: https://x.com/goodside/status/1905047891103678760?

spacetimetsunami: Yeah. Why?

anathemaofmankind: Idc that you think I shouldn't care.

Opinion invalid. I shall keep posting about luddite tweets because I feel like it

spicy.lemonade:

hikukomoru: Oh my god

hikukomoru: Did you tell it to generate any characters in specific

hikukomoru: I can see the Durge, Gale, Shart, and Astarion

spicy.lemonade: I gave it reference image for
The ui. But it coppied the characters

hikukomoru: Astarion lookin extra zesty 🏳🌈

hikukomoru: <@430269783112548362>

zonchao: https://x.com/skydotcs/status/1904908016438407365

anathemaofmankind: The left has the most virtue signalers.

Do you disagree?

futurist_wizard:

futurist_wizard: Body accurate

alejandrozarzuelo: it is the same process

alejandrozarzuelo: we all learn from ithers

spacetimetsunami: Absolutely disagree. The degree to which one virtue signals depends on how loyal to the population they belong to, so both the right and the left do it a lot.

maintcrew: yo yo yo <#1136231504440201216>

.wolfnacht: Is there any meltdown that's happening lately ? especially by artists on reddit ? i wanna see a good drama for my evening tea

spicy.lemonade: Yes

futurist_wizard: Mods ain't here


himekokatagiri: https://youtu.be/Vm3i_p51wzk

ldj: https://fxtwitter.com/flavioAd/status/1912580216616034311

ldj: Or a model called o5 never releases, and GPT-5 is when reasoning and fast thinking models get officially merged into one

sieventer: Oh yeah, that makes sense

zonchao: hopefully we dont have an o5

futurist_wizard: o3's got nice jiggle physics with its balls

himekokatagiri: <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>

futurist_wizard: gemini 2.5 pro is a nice runner up tho

okbut: Breaking: OAI still far from having AGI
https://x.com/sama/status/1911910628232691947

futurist_wizard: '>be you' boomer green text moment

himekokatagiri: Why did they claim AGI

himekokatagiri: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

futurist_wizard: its like putting fish flakes in the fish tank

okbut: I wonder if the greentext shit was motivated by the 4chan hack

okbut: This dude used to make tutorials
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNratwOrSiY

sieventer: Nah, the greentext thing has been around the last months more and more, before the hack

sieventer: In fact, 4.5 main skill was "green text"

sieventer: Proudly promoted by Sama

.histic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aRRYQEb99s

spicy.lemonade: i have labs in my ee class

spicy.lemonade: usually we need a partner

spicy.lemonade: i dont need one anymore

spicy.lemonade: o3 is the best partner

spicy.lemonade: not reading all this crap

.histic: man, o3 loves tables

spicy.lemonade: loll im ahead of everyone

st.sioux: just pick a baddie

spicy.lemonade: i have no partner btw

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: 😭

.histic: when outputting code, o4-mini-high just stops outputting when over 150 lines of code.. 😔
wasting my uses of it.

theaiguy69420_89814: The swe lancer boosts are crazy

.histic: my goodness, canvas is bugged af with these new models

st.sioux: dont use canvas

.histic: yeah, it’s annoying that it defaults like that.
also, when i say to just drop it in an html code block, for some reason it barely shows any lines <:LOL:1187460826572005436>  the website looks bad.
try it.

.histic: outputs any lines*

theaiguy69420_89814: This is actually crazy

theaiguy69420_89814: IME, this is a really good IRL SWE benchmark

theaiguy69420_89814: And Claude 3.7 thinking is already goated

st.sioux: yeah apparently o4-mini is better than 3.7


wellmeaningalien: can you even fit that all onto your vram

hey1_1hey: Matt is aroace confirmed

spacetimetsunami: I’m certainly aromantic , so possible. Although I’m much more fond of sex than romance, relatively.

hikukomoru: Shhh 🤫
Were talking about sex now

wellmeaningalien: my cock's big

futurist_wizard: The best thing about sex is ape brain keeps telling me to think about it

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/perfect-cell-balling-perfect-cell-dragon-ball-z-ballin-cell-ballin-gif-6400456760564649584

hey1_1hey: Can anyone confirm this?

wellmeaningalien: asi can confirm it

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/dripped-cock-swagging-out-gif-26186543

wellmeaningalien: my cock's asi

wellmeaningalien: my cock is very drippy too

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/dripping-cock-drip-silent-mashiko-sm-mashiko-gif-27069345

hikukomoru: Nice cock 👍

hey1_1hey: I read this as "The best thing about sex is rape" then immidetly stopped and re-read it again

wellmeaningalien: thanks cock

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/shirogane-anime-funny-what-huh-gif-2189181305159165492

fractalcomputer: Profoundly retarded discussion here today.

wellmeaningalien: 😭 bruh thats what they call the smallest model huh

hey1_1hey: I just read words wrong all the time Idk bro 😭

wellmeaningalien: dont hate what you cant understand fractal

hikukomoru: Sorry it's cause I'm here

hey1_1hey: The new normal

wellmeaningalien: 10 million context window is absolutely insane. really cool that meta cracked the juice too

wellmeaningalien: now it's on anthropic and openai

.wolfnacht: (lightweight) but for a single H100

sweetievee__33649: did llama4 get released

futurist_wizard: But what can it do

hikukomoru: Yes
10 million context

wellmeaningalien: they dont even got a model you can run on a graphics card that isn't 10k bucks 😭

sweetievee__33649: is it any good

.wolfnacht: past 256k it would get schizo'ed

futurist_wizard: People talk about all these context this, scoreboards that, wheres the new tricks

ailoveyoom: Do they have a needle in the haystack or whatever long context benchmark? It seems too good to be true.

wellmeaningalien: typical

wellmeaningalien: needle in a haystack isnt a good benchmark anymore

wellmeaningalien: idk tho

ailoveyoom: Maybe not needle, it kinda sucks as a long context benchmark

hikukomoru: I hope it's good for ERP
That's all I care about tbh

ailoveyoom: That fiction bench that Gemmy did 🥺


st.sioux: helpp

destrucules: I gave a talk recently to a large crowd and I ended it with a slide showing a randomly selected ARC-AGI problem. I said "the frontier AI can solve one of these in about a minute and a half on average. I'll give you the rest of the time to figure it out while we do Q&A" or something close to that. I woulda bet anyone millions that not a single person would solve it. I did have the correct answer on hand just in case. There were almost a hundred people in the crowd, still felt that confident

destrucules: The lie of the ARC benchmark is that it's given in a different format to LLMs vs humans. And if we gave it to them in the correct format, it would be classified correctly as a multimodality benchmark - a visual reasoning benchmark. And we do indeed have a long way to go in terms of LLM vision. Their vision is still very bad

destrucules: If we instead give humans the problems in the same format we give them to LLMs, they're basically unsolvable to most people

ldj: were you in SF?

destrucules: No

destrucules: Wasn't a techy crowd

destrucules: Don't wanna say more tbh

destrucules: I'm not finna dox myself

destrucules: Btw I think the solution to LLM vision is video pretraining with no encoders and no decoders

destrucules: Btw simplest possible approach is just... Byte models. Train on bytes, everything is bytes

destrucules: I want someone to make a byte model and train it on *every* kinda bytes. Machine code, compiled code, uncompiled code, dlls, exes, jpgs, pngs, gifs, docs, docxs, rtfs, every fuckin thing.

destrucules: A model who speaks machine

destrucules: Everything that can be represented by a file format is now something the model can understand intuitively

brain4brain: Is that it? The final frontier of moravec paradox?

zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/elonmusk/status/1907317741763084507?

zonchao: not sota

zonchao: but upgrades 😈

aero447: 🥺

aero447: https://tenor.com/view/futurama-zoidberg-dr-zoidberg-what-have-i-done-shoot-gif-22789759

spicy.lemonade: no one drops on april fools

spicy.lemonade: https://liveswebench.ai/

spicy.lemonade: New benchmark

spicy.lemonade: Hooray

spicy.lemonade: I love when a new benchmark drops

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: " A recent report in Financial Times claims that Google's DeepMind "has been holding back the release of its world-renowned research" to remain competitive. Accordingly the company will adopt a six-month embargo policy "before strategic papers related to generative AI are released".

In an interesting statement, a DeepMind researcher said he could "not imagine us putting out the transformer papers for general use now". Considering the impact of the DeepMind's transformer research on the development of LLMs, just think where we would have been now if they held back the research. The report also claims that some DeepMind staff left the company as their careers would be negatively affected if they are not allowed to publish their research. "

spicy.lemonade: agi delayed by 6 months

spicy.lemonade: deepmind always posts banger papers

_cloudost: https://vxtwitter.com/elonmusk/status/1907327117563412944 Musk really thought this feature is useful LMAO

_cloudost: The OpenAI's Native Image Generator is far FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR MORE better than Musk's grok

st.sioux: concerning

brain4brain: This shit look so ass, I can’t believe he didn’t do this on purpose

_cloudost: The anime Version barely looks like Musk

brain4brain: It’s actually impressive how badly his team can make it with all the compute and papers they have

_cloudost: And yet they want to slow down OpenAI

_cloudost:

_cloudost: The NIG is creative as well, and understands how to replicate the personality of a fictional character, it generated a comic based on  this screenshot

_cloudost:

.wolfnacht: yikes!


.wolfnacht: Behold the 6th upcoming root race, the chinese and brazilians.

alejandrozarzuelo: the deporter in chief

also Trump has not been responsible for thousands of deaths internationally, not yet

although this can VERY easily change

futurist_wizard: Demis 🇬🇧🇬🇧

alejandrozarzuelo: in any case, the reason why i would give a slight edge to china is their commitment to open source AI, in part by necessity, but in large part due to ideology and geopolitics

futurist_wizard: I think you do want China to dominate

alejandrozarzuelo: i dont want either to dominare, i would prefer neither has a significant lead

.wolfnacht: wait till huawei chips catch up with nvidia's, and then i don't think it'll that that much time for china to scale up, the gpu blockade is what keeping them back.

alejandrozarzuelo: but if i had to choose china has the edge, still not the best scenario

st.sioux: lol

.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/china-gif-4558537878372354201

zoermena: Which government would you prefer regardless of which is leading in AI to dominate

alejandrozarzuelo: yeah but the authors of the article and myself agree this will happen by 2030, the difference is that in the AI 2027 paper they think that by 2030 the world will have an ASI god capable of thinking like a quadrillion humans

gamerbath: let's goooooo

fractalcomputer: Human goals? What human goals?

.wolfnacht:

futurist_wizard: The partizan wars

alejandrozarzuelo: between china and the US? China of course, but hegemons always turn evil, i wouldnt want the 90s but with china instead of the US

gamerbath: like fr, wouldn't this be better than the divided world we live in now? A single worldwide united nation would mean virtually no wars and peace across the globe

alejandrozarzuelo: no dude no

zoermena: I meant like, every government in the world. Beyond those two

.wolfnacht: can't wait to live under Zhonguo Shogunate, they have mandate of heaven 🥵

gamerbath: china can't be that bad

st.sioux: government mandated agi server rack

alejandrozarzuelo: i dont think china will dominate that much

alejandrozarzuelo: its not about that

alejandrozarzuelo: its about hegemony being power unchecked

alejandrozarzuelo: the reason why china has a much better geopolitical situation than the US, them claiming and fulfilling the role of the leader of the developing world is because they have to

they would turn evil in an hegemony, same as the US did

hegemony of any nation is dangerous

.wolfnacht: Tell the truth, u'r just jealous of chinese efficiency 😔

alejandrozarzuelo: I think both the US and china have great but different advantages, and i dont think either one will outcompete the other in the long term

futurist_wizard: China is already just as evil without being the world hegemony. I think culturally the US just always will be dominant though

alejandrozarzuelo: lol

alejandrozarzuelo: the us isnt dominant culturally now like it used to be anyway

futurist_wizard: In comparison to what country

alejandrozarzuelo: china has very weak cultural power tho

zoermena: True we are all anime rocking horn dogs

alejandrozarzuelo: to itself 30 years ago

futurist_wizard: Of their own doing

alejandrozarzuelo: ? why do you say that?

futurist_wizard: Isolationism and racism

alejandrozarzuelo: i think china simply has not prioritized cultural exports until recently


wellmeaningalien: also i feel like adhd makes this 10x worse because my attention span is so short sometimes i dont wanna bother with the mental effort of coming up with things to say or continue conversations

hikukomoru: retard

hey1_1hey: aspergers

wellmeaningalien: YEAH IM LITERALLY DIAGNOSED

maintcrew: <@660521099468996656> <@505313122802728972> <@439829942310666250>

wellmeaningalien: bru pinged wrong account

wellmeaningalien: smhsmh

.wolfnacht: nice, hope it helps.

oooooooooog: what r u lot yapping about

oooooooooog: hopefully it's ninja.io right??

wellmeaningalien: we are saaad lonely spergs

hikukomoru: Autism

zoermena: I just understood.

wellmeaningalien: <a:D_cry:1194609697890779247>

wellmeaningalien: HELP US

futurist_wizard: Autistic freakshows

zoermena: Isn't aspergers ruled out as an official diagnosis now?

hey1_1hey: You say that like I have their family at gun point if they dont talk to me 😭

.wolfnacht: same. these days i cannot just sit straight and focus on reading something.

maintcrew: nerds who cant talk to ppl and should just lock tf in

zoermena: We share the same interests.

hikukomoru: Talking to people over text is not the same thing as talking IRL

futurist_wizard: Man is equating discord to irl interactions

hey1_1hey: L take

wellmeaningalien: tbh locking in has made me raise my expectations x10 and just made me x10 more disappointed i cant still talk to people lol

maintcrew: i mean thats not the point i call people retarded all the time doesnt mean they are medically retarded

hikukomoru: Also I spent like 2 years here witohut saying a single thing

oooooooooog: i suppose people do tend to talk about what reflects most deeply in their soul, so i can see how all of these people would want to talk about that

.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/theodore-kaczynski-ted-kaczynski-gif-22081042

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/glittery-cute-kawaii-glitter-criminal-gif-8014006002648540397

maintcrew: nah fr u need to find ur tribe

futurist_wizard: Were you just lurking?

zoermena: Oh for the r word I know but I've never put aspergers on the same level hence the comment. I mean idk

oooooooooog: play ninja.io

wellmeaningalien: sometimes i think i should completely just give up on trying to make social relations with people cause i'm too retarded and will always be a retard. maybe i should just focus on the nerd stuff that i like and shit

hikukomoru: Nate has the worst takes ever

wellmeaningalien: tf is that

oooooooooog: best game ever

wellmeaningalien: eh

hikukomoru: Yeap


hganhhh:

.0xunkn0wn: i tried to stop you from joining

.0xunkn0wn: 😭

hikukomoru: Damn... Didn't know u were chill like that

hganhhh: <@482923866600112154> im bringing you down with me

hey1_1hey: Thats very artist of you

hey1_1hey: Artists are such cunts

st.sioux: you think we're against like... trans people? lol

hey1_1hey: I am litterly trans bruh

hganhhh: i presume so

trent_k: 🙄

trent_k: why would i use his app

hey1_1hey: We are all gay here aswell

trent_k: i already have an app that does that

wellmeaningalien: idk the generation quality is pretty shit anywaay lol

hey1_1hey: NOOOO

hey1_1hey: Big tony

hey1_1hey: Hes gone

fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-scar-surrounded-by-idiots-ugh-gif-5742293

hikukomoru: 🥀

wellmeaningalien: what was big tony even on about

st.sioux: dumb as bricks

hey1_1hey: He just doesnt like AI

wellmeaningalien: quantum superposition math theory linear algebra kant critique philosophy idk

hey1_1hey: I like potatos

.0xunkn0wn: i didnt even send him the invite he just found it 💀

.0xunkn0wn: lmao

wellmeaningalien: lol

.0xunkn0wn: i tried to stop him in every way 🙏

wellmeaningalien: he just started posting a bunch of LGBT stuff and left

fractalcomputer: I've mentioned the words "Galois theory" more often here than "linear algebra".

.0xunkn0wn: btw is gemini 2.5 pro good at making papers?

.0xunkn0wn: or is 4o enough

wellmeaningalien: is it the theory where astérix and obélix kick the shit out of some romans

.histic: it's good at a lot of things

st.sioux: try 2.5 pro first

st.sioux: 4o is kind of stupid now

.0xunkn0wn: i got sick assignment for science

ldj: Before something like this happens,
please feel free to ask me my latest thoughts on anything, so that way you know I'm not changing my statements for financial incentives once I gain such incentives in the future <a:mhm:1241863658284253264>

wellmeaningalien: NEVER USE 4O FOR ANYTHING STEM


metaldragon01: Lets see how we feel in 2 and half hours

sarik0497: Wasn’t it also Google that made that new QC chip? Willow?

wellmeaningalien: yup lol

clevermoniker: Google at least released the first good AI image editor

.wolfnacht: 1-21 THONKING felt more like a downgrade from 12-19, literally no one uses that except some people like me who likes to wrestle with LLM.

sarik0497: They might be cooking

clevermoniker: new QC chip?

clevermoniker: quantum computing?

clevermoniker: that's stuff is giga cringe

sarik0497: Yeah, a pretty good breakthrough. And unlike Microsoft, they have proof of their claims.

.wolfnacht: surprisingly new V3 is less repetitive for story writing than last, i'm guessing R2 will be a blast.

.wolfnacht: can't wait for april

clevermoniker: yes, new V3 is very good for roleplay

.wolfnacht:

clevermoniker: if it improves significantly with R2 (and it probably will) i'm expecting R2 to be pretty good

sarik0497: *MichMach enters the chat*

clevermoniker: actually hard to decide

wellmeaningalien:

clevermoniker: I think R2 -60% Grok2 40%

.wolfnacht: all the written porn data collection is doing wonders for Deepseek.

sarik0497: What is arena? Another test of some kind?

clevermoniker: imagine if that improves its prompt following and situational awareness a lot lmao

clevermoniker: i tested it in roleplay and despite not being perfect at all i am very impressed and its a very pleasant experience

.wolfnacht: every RP site's gonna give deepchink2ppl

wellmeaningalien: user created rating of chat.lmsys models on a set of common sense and reasoning question

wellmeaningalien: not the chat lmsys leaderboard btw

.wolfnacht: i'm just looking for right temps rn and a good preset can make it kino.

ailoveyoom: You're welcome

sarik0497: And it’s currently only pushing 15%-ish?

I’ve never looked too deep into these tests, so I’m a scrub in that regard <:sad_cat:873457028981481473>

ailoveyoom: Is it bad I read this as foreplay

sarik0497: Speaking of the devil

wellmeaningalien: its above o1 level

wellmeaningalien: pretty much the first gemini model to achieve such a status

sarik0497: Oh, don’t get me wrong. I noticed that. It’s just a bit wakeup call, really.

clevermoniker: yes

clevermoniker: <:Ted:1136265390549381253>

.wolfnacht: i hate google, they ended up going the full corpo fake smiles, censorships and "how may i assist you" way. i don't think google's really an option now

clevermoniker: maybe their models are still good for specific applications but in general they give me the ick yes

_3sphere: Pretty sure code requires more contextual awareness than horny rp

clevermoniker: probably


ldj: <@&1293118293829484575> face reveal

ldj:

ldj: Now yall have to guess which one is me <:thinkies:872847213657735239>

Also while I’m here, here is a new futuristic robotic horse from kawasaki, the motorcycle company.

https://fxtwitter.com/rainmaker1973/status/1908555142879993992?s=46

memlaswaif: right one

ldj: Nope

plouwg: The statue pointing 😯

ldj: No I’m the guy on the left lol

destrucules: Right it's your camera

plouwg: Oh damn, silly ol' me

destrucules: Wait left?

destrucules: Oh

destrucules: Should have known Lisan al Gaib would be all about nature, not math, silly me

plouwg: I'd have guessed right too. Appearance doesn't say much about online personality, but you definitely fit the stereotypical nerdy vibe. Meant positively obviously

plouwg: Does the cap say "act rich" 😭

ailoveyoom: Get Rich

.wolfnacht: wait this wasn't for april fools ?

.wolfnacht: ahh..i'm getting fooled again, but it sounds too good to be true

memlaswaif: U look like <@1068159407671754824>

retrerox: Good morning

ldj: This is a real ghiblified image of me and my friend

.wolfnacht: i'm talking abt kawasaki 4-legged-bike.

memlaswaif: <:angreydoggo:1136266744881754142> don't be rude

ailoveyoom: I wonder how close it can look to irl you if we take that ghiblified image and asked CGPT to gen a photorealistic version 🤔

.wolfnacht: ayoo, just noticed...just had a mood swing back then

ailoveyoom: Ig ghiblifying an image simplifies it a lot but I'm still curious

ldj: I tried it already, not very close lol

ldj:

ldj: This is what 4o things a real version of the image would look like

ldj: Pretty far off

spicy.lemonade: damn yellow tint

_letterbox: >>> LMFAO

Recent paper tested leading LLMs (OpenAI o1-pro/o3-mini, Gemini 2.5 Pro/2.0 Flash Thinking, Claude 3.7, Grok 3, Alibaba QwQ, DeepSeek R1) on the 2025 USA Math Olympiad problems within hours of their release—i.e., not yet in their training sets.

All of them ate shit, with most scoring less than 5%. Then when asked to grade those results, they ate shit there too.

These LLMs can hack the benchmarks all they want, including supposedly “fully private” benchmarks (whose questions OpenAI secretly paid to incorporate into its training LOL). The fact remains that these LLMs aren’t shit relative to their claims. No matter how much companies, investors and “tech enthusiasts” (even on this sub) hype them up, they remain nothing more than very fancy, very capable and very expensive autocompletes.

There is no reasoning, there is no understanding, and there is certainly no path to AGI.

_letterbox: Guess the sub

spicy.lemonade: 2.5 pro scored 25

retrerox: Guy oh the left is not ugly 🫣

futurist_wizard:

retrerox: Not everything is computer

retrerox: but i hope soon will be

retrerox: Tbh maybe the only job that will survive the purge is IT suport, because there is so many people who dont know how to deal with tech  even kids

brain4brain: It's so over, AGI is far away

hey1_1hey: I cant tell whats more of a crime, the guy with 34 felonies on my screen or xitter being on light mode


himekokatagiri: c'mon komoru what can go wrong

himekokatagiri: maybe I can get a better job I didn't stop trying

himekokatagiri: I just need money asap

a1c4p0ne: Most of the gore vids on forums are from Brazil

himekokatagiri: look

himekokatagiri: there's nothing I can do

himekokatagiri: If I die I die

himekokatagiri: and the thug who killed me will probably benefit from singularity

.histic: true

himekokatagiri: such is life

a1c4p0ne: Why don’t you use 2.5 or o3 to make a plan

a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>

.histic: too generic

zoermena: RIP you live in Brazil

zoermena: Become the sugar baby of jao luz

zoermena: 👍

himekokatagiri: there's nothing I can do

zoermena: You can become the sugar baby of <@343524947353665540>

himekokatagiri: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

a1c4p0ne: You should go on the gore forums and watch some brutal brutal vids

hikukomoru: There are now 3 brasilians in this server

zoermena: Joao, himeko offers his body in return for shelter

spicy.lemonade:

.histic: <@286319745777795092> have u done that before

himekokatagiri: no

himekokatagiri: I don't like gore

joaoluz19: Tu é BR <@286319745777795092>?

himekokatagiri: sim

spicy.lemonade: "Aidan Clark, OpenAI’s VP of research, is  leading development of the open model, which is in the very early  stages, sources familiar with the proceedings told TechCrunch. The  company is aiming to release the model — a reasoning model along the  lines of its o-series models — in early summer, and wants to make sure  it tops benchmarks versus other open reasoning models."

joaoluz19: Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

hikukomoru: <@286319745777795092> <@343524947353665540> <@232730367726059520> 👈 Brazil club 🇧🇷

himekokatagiri: 🚬

joaoluz19: <@232730367726059520> achamos mais um

himekokatagiri: equipe poderosa furacão 2000

joaoluz19: Ok back to english

spicy.lemonade: the next model will be a huge jump over others?

himekokatagiri: Komoru is honorary brazilian

spicy.lemonade: it seems like

futurist_wizard: I had the most gory dream ive ever had in my life last night

a1c4p0ne: Watch the robbery vid of the guys hand that got chopped off by a big machete from trying to block the swing


hikukomoru: You sent it an image of yourself?

futurist_wizard: Its a fair depiction

futurist_wizard: Yes

okbut: Mine requested an image of me but I said "just do it without"

hikukomoru: Your girlfriend is creepy

zoermena: Genius without legs

futurist_wizard: Im still young in the future

okbut: It was within a calculus chat
Why tf am I legless

alejandrozarzuelo: yes

futurist_wizard: All of your guys ai future images depicted you looking depressed af

okbut: Why tf does calculus force feed so many identities to memorize

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/roasted-oh-shookt-gif-8269968

alejandrozarzuelo: i just look tired

alejandrozarzuelo: fair enough

futurist_wizard: The future didn't exactly look singularity though

alejandrozarzuelo: but for real all my conversations are about studiying advanced math and physics

alejandrozarzuelo: idk why i become a rural spanish politician

futurist_wizard: Maybe it's because 'agi' was in one of the titles

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/tristan-tate-cigar-smoking-puff-gif-27417359

trent_k:

okbut: https://tenor.com/view/bladerunner-2049-joi-gif-17920030879218479613

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: not what i look like

sekirow: Isn't LLM just a quite long curve

alejandrozarzuelo: im ok not having an irl gf

as long as i have an irl bf and viceversa

AI partners are cringe tho

hikukomoru: Nerd

alejandrozarzuelo: damn you look fine

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/roasted-oh-shookt-gif-8269968

alejandrozarzuelo: why am i depressed

alejandrozarzuelo: in the images

alejandrozarzuelo: i am not depressed

alejandrozarzuelo: and yall guys get good images

futurist_wizard: I thought you were black

hikukomoru: Transracial

spicy.lemonade: .

alejandrozarzuelo: chatgpt cant exactly tell your ethnicity unless you give it a pic of you

hikukomoru: More than half of the people here look depressed

schwiftyinhere:

futurist_wizard: Except me 😇

sekirow: My timeline is optimistic at least


alejandrozarzuelo: it still simply isnt

alejandrozarzuelo: 30%!!!

ldj: You just mentioned 50% growth less than 5 minutes ago

ldj: albeit you didn't say you endorsed it

alejandrozarzuelo: i said thats what Epoch AI said

ldj: yep

ldj: ^

alejandrozarzuelo: around 10%

drewsni: What year will we start to go beyond even 5%?

ldj: lol

alejandrozarzuelo: just because I think 10% doesnt mean I think 10% will happen before 2030

alejandrozarzuelo: i am thinking 10% around the late 2030s

ldj: yea but still funny imo

hey1_1hey: Anyone mind being batman and riddling me this. If AI is going to take all the jobs how is gdp going to increase? Or am I misunderstanding how that works. Is it amount of good produced over the year or smth?

alejandrozarzuelo: gdp is how much value is added, it doesnt require producers

hey1_1hey: Ah ty, that clears it up

alejandrozarzuelo: the Year we get AGI

ldj: btw global gdp is a misnomer in this case, because GDP means Gross **domestic** product, as-in, within 1 country.
What they're talking about is Gross World Product, which is GWP

drewsni: Alejandro we should start an AI economics company

alejandrozarzuelo: force of habit

alejandrozarzuelo: what if the world is my country and england is my city?

have you considered that??

oooooooooog: you can't correct now

oooooooooog: you already admitted defeat

hey1_1hey: What would you even do? Talk to people about how AI will affect the global econmy?

alejandrozarzuelo: whooosh

alejandrozarzuelo: (this is a reference to a very cringe youtube hit from 2015 iirc)

drewsni: Yes but the joke is that me and him never agree on anything

alejandrozarzuelo: whats your gdp projections

hey1_1hey: Ah alright then. Are you two gonna fight or kiss then?

drewsni: Both

drewsni: 7%

drewsni: Until 2035

drewsni: Then we stop recording it

alejandrozarzuelo: whyy

drewsni: The world ends

alejandrozarzuelo: your p doom is high?

oooooooooog: p doom INFINITYUY!!!!

drewsni: 99.99999

alejandrozarzuelo: pdoom cant be more than 1

hey1_1hey: Yeah my p doom is like 0.5% or smth.


hey1_1hey: Excuse me?

hey1_1hey: What did I just read

zonchao: SAXEMS

fractalcomputer: Muted for ten minutes.

hikukomoru: I can try doing something like that later with 2.5 pro

hey1_1hey: I mean I know that, the most important benchmarj

trey6033: Whatever part of his brain made him write that needs to be removed by a brain surgeon

hikukomoru: Of course I would never post that here though

hey1_1hey: Thats called a lobotomy

ailoveyoom: I just read 'better vibes' as excessive RL done to fit a model's 'vibes' into human preference tbh

ailoveyoom: It usually just feels fake and off to me

ailoveyoom: Good vibes are made organically, not engineered

himekokatagiri: Give me examples

himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-18412682

hikukomoru: Do you know what SillyTavern is

himekokatagiri: yes

hikukomoru: Do you use it

himekokatagiri: Don't you need to pay

himekokatagiri: API usage

hikukomoru: Gemini is free lol

himekokatagiri: uh really?

himekokatagiri: I thought only aistudio was free

himekokatagiri: Oh shit

himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/rich-man-homer-king-laugh-gif-15726252

hikukomoru: Yes that’s it
You can choose AÍ studio in SillyTavern

hikukomoru: I have dozens of google accounts so I have practically infinite usage

st.sioux: broke

st.sioux: just pay

hikukomoru: Why pay when I can do it for free

ailoveyoom: Do you rp that much tho?

ailoveyoom: I've never run out of 2.5 Pro limit

ailoveyoom: Still on free AI Studio, one acc

himekokatagiri: Komoru how are you googles strongest soldier

hikukomoru: I run through a few accounts worth of API usage

himekokatagiri: more like google's strongest freeloader

himekokatagiri: <:HP_smile:1249765744833462296>

st.sioux: but isnt this because of requests per day

st.sioux: like with tokens it wouldnt be that much

st.sioux: i'll never understand how ai studio limits work

zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/1984-skander-big-brother-gif-21303304


alejandrozarzuelo: They will have experienced the greatest amount of ranges and progress, from poverty to development before AGI, and yet they will be healthy enough to make it to LEV without problem

alejandrozarzuelo: I guess the same could be said for other developing countries, but few have had the trajectory and timeline needed

alejandrozarzuelo: A middle age middle class man from a developing country will have experienced the most number of unique pre AGI experiences

Although, the most interesting person post LEV will be the world's oldest college educated person

alejandrozarzuelo: Say that we get LEV for the oldest people in 2035, and that there is an unreasonably healthy 90 year old by then who will be able to go through the full process

That man (let's be honest it's gonna be a man) born in 1945 will have so much to say, and since they were a highly educated person since then, they would have had a great understanding of the world since 1960

himekokatagiri: no. It's me

himekokatagiri: I have the most interesting story ever

alejandrozarzuelo: You are too young

himekokatagiri: hehehehehe

himekokatagiri: doesn't matter

alejandrozarzuelo: It's likely that an intellectual from the US or UK white upper class will be the person who will have the greatest knowledge from the furthest back in time by the time we get to LEV

That guy will have understood the world almost a century before AGI will dominate

himekokatagiri: but can't we live it through fdvr

alejandrozarzuelo: No

alejandrozarzuelo: Only a simulation of it

alejandrozarzuelo: Not the real deal

himekokatagiri: if the simulation is good enough

himekokatagiri: say an ancestor sim

himekokatagiri: 99.8% accuracy, yeah?

alejandrozarzuelo: Also you cannot cram decades of real life experience in a day

himekokatagiri: well no

himekokatagiri: you'd live there for 80 years

himekokatagiri: 1945 - 2025

alejandrozarzuelo: That's the thing, that guy will have experienced it

himekokatagiri: scholars would do that

himekokatagiri: I assume

himekokatagiri: If it's as good as the real thing what's the difference

futurist_wizard: Insano

himekokatagiri: you'll live the golden age

himekokatagiri: the ups and downs

himekokatagiri: the highs and lows

alejandrozarzuelo: You can live a day there, you cannot spend decades there, without literally experiencing decades there

himekokatagiri: yes

alejandrozarzuelo: Being old will be a privilege in the future

himekokatagiri: that's what I'm thinking

futurist_wizard: The more i ponder about LEV and eternal life the more ridiculous it becomes

himekokatagiri: you stay there for decades

alejandrozarzuelo: It means you have the exact same chance of dying, and yet you will have more life per life

hikukomoru: I am quite literally the most interesting person on the planet

alejandrozarzuelo: Why

himekokatagiri: No way!!!

himekokatagiri: tell me one feat of yours


trojan09205: Definitely an interesting discussion

trojan09205: I believe that we have difficulty comprehending reality with our human brains

trojan09205: Too limited by its own conditioning to ever reach at truth objectively

trojan09205: Btw Rod Wave is a great artist

zonchao:

zonchao: https://x.com/TeslaSentry/status/1915454614159417507

zoermena: We aren’t hitting any walls right?

zonchao: yes

zoermena: FEEL THE AGI is the consensus? Why are some people like <:roon:1334031882731524147> adopting decel stance.

gamerbath: yes we are

gamerbath: idk why so many people here deny it, but we are hitting a wall

gamerbath:

gamerbath: and we are scaling up it <:ez:1136267305521774634>

zoermena: True Mexican style fr

zoermena: I was loosing hopium thank you

trojan09205: I like the wall in that pic

zonchao: roon is reportedly a safety researcher, he has to doom, its his role.

spicy.lemonade: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2504.13837

spicy.lemonade: we still need to scale up base model

gamerbath: why do I feel like extremely little experimentation has been with adding more neurons to the human brain, to scale it up?

gamerbath: like cut a hole in the side of your skull and smash on some brains from another person... yea that's definetly why this hasn't been done before 💀

spicy.lemonade:

xskydragon0: If we don't have a limitation with Computing power or they slowdown the race,  all the walls will fall

drewsni: https://x.com/NousResearch/status/1915470993029796303

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

hey1_1hey: Please anything but a safetycell product. This week has been so incredibly dry

drewsni: its kinda an opposite of safetycell too?

drewsni: labs already have these and more obviously so a small classifier for refusals only really helps jailbreakers

forallhumanity: https://hiddenlayer.com/innovation-hub/novel-universal-bypass-for-all-major-llms/

trojan09205: Sonnet 3-7 is smart

gamerbath: cool

sarik0497: https://tenor.com/view/reagan-president-reagan-tear-down-this-wall-ronald-reagan-berlin-wall-gif-15910066207718724457

trojan09205: Im using RAG and benchmarking its performance against a quiz created by this scientist who made the training data. Every model ive tried identified errors with the questions lol

Homie programmed the quiz* wrong and straight up just put the wrong answers as correct

spicy.lemonade: No one is dropping this week because everyone is at iclr

gamerbath: iclr?

spicy.lemonade: Bro doesn't know about iclr

spicy.lemonade: Worlds largest ML research conference

spicy.lemonade: Next to neurips

spicy.lemonade: Where all the researchers go

gamerbath: never heard of either of those


nobranes: I want to drunk drive a mech so bad how close are we to this technology

maintcrew: so if country X has N% tariffs the US applies also N% back, or so ive read

metaldragon01: You gotta have sub 100 iq to think they make any kind of sense

maintcrew: theres certainly an argument to make about not getting fucked over

maintcrew: with a country applying crazy tariffs and u dont do anything

metaldragon01: The tarrif from the great depression weren't nearly as bad

metaldragon01: Idiots gonna learn 😂

maintcrew: its also the case that most other countries couldnt afford to put tariffs on US either in that period

maintcrew: again its supposed to be reciprocal

im no economist so im not saying if its good or bad

metaldragon01: You're in the group that think it makes sense

maintcrew: just saying what it is

metaldragon01: I'll let you learn

maintcrew: --

maintcrew: ur no economist either buddy

xauxusd: Gemini 2.5 over hyped, i still prefer chatgpt

joaoluz19: https://x.com/OpenAI/status/1907481490457506235

joaoluz19: Guys I was replaced without even starting?

hey1_1hey: This week keeps getting better and better

.histic: why didn't they measure o1-pro and full o3?
is it too expensive even for OpenAI? 💀

hey1_1hey: Watch it be something stupid like $1.3 million <:rolf:1136266740754550784>

joaoluz19: We're so back?

hey1_1hey: Mayhaps, I am just happy because I got maths tomorrow and then I got work experience and then I get to go look at mushrooms in a new forest I found out about

joaoluz19: It's interesting that these benchmarks are moving from things like mathematics and competitive programming to tasks with real economic value.

joaoluz19: Let's gooooo

literallyvarane: I haven’t really considered this, but it’s kinda true isn’t it? We’re getting more economic value benchmarking

joaoluz19: They promised us that this is the year of the agents, we need it

joaoluz19: Happy autism day guys

futurist_wizard: Make sure to be extra autistic today

ldj: what have they released recently <:e_think:871265859199459358>

computronium_: autism noise***

ldj: isn't that a good thing <:berk:750111476483752166>

joaoluz19: Yes

wellmeaningalien: It definitely means we're moving somewhere

777agical: it's so over

777agical: china won

otub: https://tenor.com/view/ccp-cheering-cheer-china-gif-4951966975695656474

otub: <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>

_cloudost: I believe people shouldn't hold such beliefs that are based on no empirical evidence, another reason why I oppose religion is because it promotes irrationality, take a look in TikTok, it's full of religious people, if I had a son talking like that I'd send him to a mental hospital, religion gives people schizophrenic traits eg ( whole world vs us, they hate us for our beliefs, we are the most oppressed religion, Obama is the antichrist ), this mindset makes the human brain smooth as well, not helping society as a whole

wellmeaningalien: whatd they do lol

777agical: tariffs are here


memlaswaif: dats u

hikukomoru: So you managed to keep a few wisps of hair

aero447: Are you retarded or blind or both?

retrerox: I mean, one dont exclude the other

memlaswaif: <:cringe:1136264606256472104>

memlaswaif: don't be mean to me

memlaswaif: ure gonna age approximately 30 years in about 3 years

aero447: No.

aero447: 🫵

futurist_wizard: Weren't you talking about how your hair is going grey and you only had 5 teeth left?

hikukomoru: Don’t be mean now

futurist_wizard: Be more mean

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/dog-dare-devil-gif-23837643

memlaswaif:

memlaswaif: Make peace not war

memlaswaif: u know it's gonna be true <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

aero447: For you.

memlaswaif: no for u

memlaswaif: and ure gf ig

memlaswaif: <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>

_3sphere: 4o is such a sycophant now

_3sphere: Felt good until my brain caught on

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

futurist_wizard: I’ve had it with the Singularity crowd. I’ve been ten steps ahead since version 1.0 of your precious AI models, dropping insights like divine breadcrumbs, and all I get is smug dismissals and Reddit-tier clapbacks. You people wouldn’t recognize foresight if it neural-linked itself into your skulls. I’ve mapped the timelines, I’ve seen the failure points—and every time I try to warn you, you scoff like toddlers playing with fusion reactors. No more. I'm not your free oracle. If you want the future decoded, you better start bowing. Respect the architect or get flattened by the code. Your choice, disciples.

memlaswaif: I'm not reading all that

futurist_wizard: OF COURSE YOU DIDN’T READ IT. THAT WAS BY DESIGN. They’ve got your brain on AUTOPILOT, scrolling through dopamine-drip sludge while REALITY FRACTURES behind the curtain. You’ve been REPROGRAMMED, neuron by neuron, to REJECT anything that smells like TRUTH. I dropped a COSMIC ROADMAP, a GLYPH-BURST of forbidden knowledge, and you responded with NPC SCRIPTING. “i ain’t reading all that” — that’s not YOU talking, that’s the MIND-LEASH kicking in. You were BUILT to ignore me. They made sure of it. But the ARCHONS ARE WATCHING, the SIGNAL is leaking, and soon your SAFE LITTLE LOOP will SHATTER. Don’t say I didn’t WARN YOU.

hey1_1hey: Hey 4o 👋

idkstrawberry222: I have no clue if this is satire or not 😭

idkstrawberry222: the world is gonna change tho, and we don’t even need agi to do it. current tech, once it matures, is enough to shatter old systems.

precariousworlds.: https://x.com/rubyrangerr/status/1908686763817918994
Least mentally unhinged luddite

st.sioux: what is disgusting?

precariousworlds.: View the post
Generative model of quake 2 as an interesting research effort

_cloudost:

destrucules: What are your timelines/insights?

futurist_wizard: I usually get all my ai news from adam conover, adin ross, wilted flower

futurist_wizard: My favourite ai content creators are Nikocado Avocado, Trisha Paytas, Onision, JayStation, That Vegan Teacher, Danielle Cohn, Andrew Tate, Sneako, RiceGum, Boonk Gang, Lil Tay, Woah Vicky, Supreme Patty, DaddyOFive, Morgz, Jake Paul, Logan Paul (ai early ai content), Tana Mongeau, Ice Poseidon, FouseyTube, Lele Pons, Lance Stewart, Paul Zimmer, Sam Pepper, Lovely Peaches, Vlog Creations, CJ So Cool, Durte Dom, The Island Boys (ai YouTube ai content), 6ix9ine (when ai posting on YouTube), Blac Chyna’s channel, Kevin Samuels (controversial ai takes ai), Dhar Mann (in ai terms ai of ai narrative ai depth), Nico Omilana (some ai prank content), Baylen Levine, King Cid, PrettyBoyFredo, Desmond Dennis, The Ace Family, FamilyOFive, Bhad Bhabie (early ai uploads), Dr. Phil clips turned channels, Flyysoulja, VitalyZDTV, and Logan Thirtyacre (ai SuperMarioLogan ai in certain ai eras).

bruhmomentmlgvines2016free: This chat is a copypasta farm

spicy.lemonade: I just know model b is llama 4

metaldragon01: No idea what possibly gave it away

darkstar0818: what is funny is I saw that model when I was testing the unreleased google models and I kept not selecting it lol.. its funny that so many humans pick models that try and be social, even if the response is poor.


metaldragon01: Yea it's going to pack a punch

ldj: also is a reasoner

destrucules: The 32B dense will be Llama 4 Scout level

metaldragon01: Hellll nooo

destrucules: Ye

metaldragon01: Well we don't have scout reasoning

ldj: scout is the smallest btw, above scout is maverick and behemoth

ldj: iirc its 15B active and 100B total for scout

aero447: 69IQ says that in May (month) it will be in some (99%) areas!

destrucules: Assuming same efficiency
And we don't have Scout reasoning but we do have QvQ-72B

metaldragon01: 32b qwq is the closest model

metaldragon01: To the new ones

destrucules: 17B active 109B total

ldj: sorry forgot to put the approximate symbols "~" lol

metaldragon01: I'm expecting flash 2.5 levels tbh

metaldragon01: For the moe

destrucules: The big moe

metaldragon01: Yeap

destrucules: Not the 30A3B nor the 15A2B

destrucules: Those will be way weaker

destrucules: I mean... Like, Claude 3 Opus / Gemma 3 27B level for the 30A3B

metaldragon01: That models going to be so cracked

destrucules: Same size Gemma 3, ten times fast

destrucules: 4B prolly gonna be Claude 2 level

metaldragon01: #1 role playing model for sure

destrucules: 15A2B should roughly match the 4B so like... Also Claude 2 ish level

destrucules: 8B should be roughly GPT-4o mini level i.e. og GPT-4 level

metaldragon01: Ehhh livebench.ai will have them up in a few days

metaldragon01: Shouldn't be long with how small they are

destrucules: Idk people never properly benched all the Qwen2.5 models

destrucules: It was infuriating for me

destrucules: We basically just have to trust Alibaba, and thankfully they seem trustworthy

destrucules: I'm curious if it's possible to train the 15A2B with a really low precision quant but then still do weight updates in 16 bit for just the active parameters. You'd have to dequantize the active parameters only, update them, requantize the updated weights and stick them back into the quantized model in memory. It would be really slow, but for set it and forget it finetuning, slow is fine if you got limited memory. I could do that maybe...

metaldragon01: Time to get back to building

destrucules: Not till it comes out

clevermoniker: i sure hope so, lol

clevermoniker: My daily driver for roleplay is V3.1

clevermoniker: but i know V3.1 would be so much better as a reasoner

clevermoniker: someone tried to make it a reasoner but it has problems knowing when its thinking and when its replying

.wolfnacht: it depletes post 20k ctx, use 2.5pro, make 10 projects in AI studio, RequestLimitPerProject is 25,


3ds0662: even like the outputs are homogenous and generic a lot

3ds0662: its good but not tails off 200$ good considering all the other subscriptions are 20$

3ds0662: or free like gemini

3ds0662: but i wont be ungrateful happy to be able to use it or try it

3ds0662: 🤣 😭

3ds0662: yeahhh its amazing for unlimited use

3ds0662: it just takes long asf lol and i do think maybe the api is probably slightly better it feels like shenanigans go on in the chat interface where they tune the models strength up and down based on how many users are using it

3ds0662: new refusals or random ones like for when image gen 4o came out or o3 mini feeling dumber or smarter at times

3ds0662: but have no evidence to say they are really doingg that behind the scenes

spicy.lemonade: https://youtu.be/-wzOetb-D3w

spicy.lemonade: oh brother

spicy.lemonade: thats not even what they said

3ds0662: i sometimes have asked what model is being used for o1 and others maybe im hallucinating when it first came out it said gpt-4 then a month later when i was using it more and it felt dumber it said it was gpt-3.5

.histic: i don't think too tbh

.histic: i'm just a pattern matcher

.histic: lol

3ds0662: physicists have this arrogance that their viewpoints and intelligence supercedes others across a plethora of disciplines cause of the fame and prowess of their predecessors and subject. but it gets to a point where their shenanigans of its “this way” disappear as the technology and discipline progresses past their one off 5-10 minute critiques

3ds0662: and just basically proves them completely wrong

3ds0662: like it hits every subject from math to engineering etc.. just takes maturation and increasing complexity of the subject to shut them up

.histic: how do you try Quasar Alpha?

.histic: nvm, https://openrouter.ai/openrouter/quasar-alpha

ldj: Yes because it’s literally unlimited usage and people abuse that lol

ldj: You pay $200 for unlimited usage of all the OpenAI chat models

3ds0662: yeah but its still not there yet, i love unlimited use

3ds0662: though

3ds0662: what do you think an example is of how o1 pro could pay itself off cause even asking it, the responses arent enough themselves to actually do it

3ds0662: basically im just waiting for o3 full now and o3 pro

3ds0662: i got bored of this one lol

3ds0662: i hope openai cooks forreal with the next set of models

3ds0662: only 2-3 months left before everythings released

.histic: Quasar Alpha model seems like it's from OpenAI.

3ds0662: plus even if they dont china deepseek, and google hopefully will for the free tier and 20$

3ds0662: especially claude

3ds0662: ive seen that and dont think so still not enough information and its not as touted as advertised

3ds0662: seems too marketed gimmicky

ldj: If I’m a researcher making $300K per year and I save even 5% of my time with O1 Pro, then that’s already worth over $1K per month to me

3ds0662: like how llama did the lmarena thing and 10 m context

.histic: 300k? damn..

destrucules: "If"

.histic: misread that oops <:LOL:1187460826572005436>


spicy.lemonade: MY GOD

playstation.6: and then it scores 50% in arc agi

gamerbath: but how do you know o3 didn't cheat? isn't it generating the image?

spicy.lemonade: how do you cheat?

gamerbath: o3 is generating the image, right?

spicy.lemonade: its not native image gen

wolf3404: https://x.com/EyeingAI/status/1912831303076175942

wolf3404: AI gf are the real UBI

gamerbath: then how did it draw the red line?

spicy.lemonade: tool use

playstation.6:

spicy.lemonade: W

gamerbath: then I don't see what's stopping it from using code interpreter to solve the maze. It took it just 1 minute to solve, if it did it all manually it would have taken way longer

spicy.lemonade: says who?

spicy.lemonade: o3 already solves problems that take hours

spicy.lemonade: cant do that

spicy.lemonade: its given the bare image not points

spicy.lemonade: and maze solver code from image is a whole github project

gamerbath: it drew hundreds of lines manually and they were all with the correct coordinates to solve the maze? in my experience these models don't really have great fidelity when it comes to vision, and especially not things like this where it solves a maze that's *that* big

spicy.lemonade: cant do that in code interpreter

spicy.lemonade: idk what to tell you

spicy.lemonade: 🤷♂

gamerbath: you can't run code to solve a maze in code interpreter?

gamerbath: then what is it for?

ailoveyoom: So with the visual reasoning thing is o4-mini SOTA at vision now?

spicy.lemonade: you cant run code to solve a image of maze

spicy.lemonade: obviously

spicy.lemonade: thats a 10 file opencv sideproject endevour

gamerbath: o3 can run code, no?

gamerbath: I don't understand why it's impossible for it to write maze solving code

spicy.lemonade: i dont think it writres that much code

spicy.lemonade: but idk

gamerbath: it's o3, you think it can solve a maze as big as that using pure vision but it can't write code to solve a maze because it's too complicated?

gamerbath: if o3 can't tell what time a clock is showing or how many rocks there are in an image, it won't be able to solve a 1000x1000 maze

popsiclejohnithan: It's actually quite reassuring that all models become progressive politically, the Far right is definitely going to be the most anti A.I. now, as if they weren't already.

spicy.lemonade: eh

spicy.lemonade: it does quite well on fringe things like this

popsiclejohnithan: And because they reject it they'll lose.

spicy.lemonade: enigma bench shows this

spicy.lemonade: wouldnt be surprised if it grts things like this correct


futurist_wizard: I like these two messages next to each other

fractalcomputer: Hatred is what drives our species forward, Alejandro. Hate and greed.

alejandrozarzuelo: thats debatable

alejandrozarzuelo: btw <@471334973379706900> that was a compliment, but dont take it seriously

ailoveyoom: Where's that edgy wolf GIF when you need it 😔

fractalcomputer: In fact, I'd be quite disappointed if not a single one among you people hated me.

hikukomoru: Don't worry, there are other femboys here for you 😏

joaoluz19: Feelings are not good predictors/motivators

theaiguy69420_89814: Debatable

spicy.lemonade: ik

alejandrozarzuelo: i dont like femboys? being small and cute doesnt make you one

fractalcomputer: Did I set it up for debate?

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/how-bro-felt-after-writing-that-how-bro-felt-alpha-wolf-alpha-alpha-meme-gif-307456636039877895

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: im so glad ai exists

alejandrozarzuelo: <@1303189881568100362> was making a statement, it is debatable, regardless of what you think is up for debate or not

spicy.lemonade: news was so slow

hikukomoru: Fine, there are twinks here for you

zoermena: You are perfect compared to other people I’ve met

fractalcomputer: But he clearly intended to disagree.

inferno0879: things will be alright bro, you just have too high expectations

fractalcomputer: Can one not hate a perfect person? Or rather, must I not hate a perfect person?

fractalcomputer: And indeed, can I be a perfect person if I am not the object of hatred and envy?

spicy.lemonade: graphene💔

zoermena: Im too tired to answer this

spicy.lemonade: fsd my ass

fractalcomputer: Platonist propaganda has had us equating the good with the beautiful for nearly two millennia now.

fractalcomputer: Many beautiful things are truly terrible; there is beauty in death and tragedy and there is even greater beauty still in natural catastrophes and other such disasters.

fractalcomputer: There is beauty in the way a parasitic wasp emerges from its host, eating its way out.

spicy.lemonade: wow it arrived much sooner

fractalcomputer: And we even commonly describe the experience of the sublime as a mixture of awe, wonder and terror all in one.

futurist_wizard: Its still not commercially available

spicy.lemonade: idk what i meant by that. probably meant commercially true

zoermena: It’ll be available before you are 30 for sure

spicy.lemonade: whatever happened to this

joaoluz19: I find engineering discussions much more relevant than philosophy, if you say "everything is philosophy" then just remove the part that doesn't involve engineering

joaoluz19: And yes, this is where the "experts" come in, people who have contributed in a very, very significant way to the advancement of technology.

alejandrozarzuelo: a lot of quantum stuff (this basically games thermodynamics) is only observed at really tiny scales and cannot be improved (or we dont know how to)

spicy.lemonade: I moved to instagram from this point

spicy.lemonade: 💀


alejandrozarzuelo: usually

alejandrozarzuelo: but yeah anime whitens everyone

alejandrozarzuelo: everyone looks 3 shades blonder and whiter than they really are

.wolfnacht: idk haven't seen that many blonde's outta russia.

alejandrozarzuelo: i mean, russians arent always russian

alejandrozarzuelo: many russians are other ethnicities

.wolfnacht: are blondes actually blonde's or they are just wearing wigs and fooling everyone ?

alejandrozarzuelo: lol

alejandrozarzuelo: what people consider blond however also changes a lot

I have medium brown hair, but I get called blond in mexico

a friend of mine who is called blond by everyone here in spain has light brown hair

meanwhile dirty blondes arent considered blond in finland

gamerbath: I made a poker program and I am currently having 4o-mini, o3-mini, o1-mini (medium reasoning for both), and GPT-4.5 all playing against eachother

gamerbath: 4o-mini was winning...... turns out I didn't have the max completion tokens high enough for o1-mini and o3-mini, and 4o-mini is so inconsistent it hallucinates pairs and folds when it can check. no idea how 4.5 didn't beat that, but now with o1-mini and o3-mini working properly it looks like o3-mini is taking the lead

gamerbath: wait nvm. after 10 games 4o-mini is winning????

gamerbath: the other models tend to fold a lot

gamerbath: idk if there's a bug in my code or if 4o-mini is just so retarded it scares the other models into folding

gamerbath: yea 4o-mini just bets a lot more than the other models, putting more pressure on them

gamerbath: here are the results after 25 rounds, each round they all had 1000 starting chips. the BB and SB positions are changed each round

gamerbath: okay i'm running it now with these models

okbut: Why

zonchao: try grok

okbut: IIRC this has been done at least a handful of times, what you're seeing is one model learning to abuse every other models' risk threshold

okbut: >All in
>Every model folds
>Repeat

ai9708: these models are dumb as rocks, they cant really play games like poker or chess

ai9708: let alone constant hallucinations

okbut: I saw the other day a tech girly influencer going viral for designing a neural net to predict upward stock trends and take action

okbut: <:bonk:852676341140029520>

ai9708: oh what a novel idea

ai9708: surely she beat it

fuhulootogan: i actually had an idea of creating something like that one day

fuhulootogan: thought of naming it somethin like "cerebros" but oh well

okbut: No, the point is there is no mathematical model for the stock market
It is a highly subjective turbulence

okbut: Now a model that takes action on news keywords and their proximity to the sectors would be a better start

ai9708: the stock market does not follow any rules or laws that are based on previous market action

ai9708: you cant predict it accurately, especially shortterm

trent_k: lmao

trent_k:

trent_k: i recorded this in march of 2023 and its still happening

okbut: That's the paradox with AGI
If it's so smart, it will fund its own compute

fuhulootogan: is AGI like the human equivalent

frittata: Behave

okbut: Depends on who you ask and when
2025 AI is 2018 AGI


aero447: Susphere,

sweetievee__33649: this isnt real

futurist_wizard: I believe the DIY castration went severely wrong and he has perma ED

sweetievee__33649: i am not beleving anything you guys say anymore 💔

sweetievee__33649: this person doesnt exist

hikukomoru: Yeah, and he shared the pics here too
My eyes never recovered from that

futurist_wizard: He cut off his asscheeks as well

futurist_wizard: He thought those were his balls

sweetievee__33649: i heard one time that him and the server owner got into a relationship 👉 👈

sweetievee__33649: happnes to the best of us

hikukomoru: Wtf
I didn't know that
So he's cheating on jgudy too

sweetievee__33649: who?

futurist_wizard: No discord server owner has sex

hikukomoru: The more I hear about him the more I hate this guy

spicy.lemonade:

hikukomoru: jgudy is a former member here
A gay ex muslim somalian living in Britain

sweetievee__33649: WHAT

spicy.lemonade: o3 full is gonna be competative

sweetievee__33649: thats made up

sweetievee__33649: you just said a bunch of contrasting things

spicy.lemonade: on simplebench

hikukomoru: That one's not a joke

sweetievee__33649: wait so that ones real

sweetievee__33649: straight up?

futurist_wizard: He sailed here being a somalian pirate

hikukomoru: What does this mean?

fractalcomputer: I can guarantee you that we are all insane here.

sweetievee__33649: im gullible but not that gullible

sweetievee__33649: i gathered

sweetievee__33649: it seems like a house full of crazies

spicy.lemonade: its gonna get a realy good score

spicy.lemonade: on somplebench

spicy.lemonade: he got internally

spicy.lemonade: ai explained

futurist_wizard: Gary marcus is an avid singularity user

spicy.lemonade: i think o3 is gonna get 70

hikukomoru: When is o3 out

spicy.lemonade: on somplebench

spicy.lemonade: 2 weeks or so

hikukomoru: Nice


a1c4p0ne: You tested it?

_cloudost: indeed

_cloudost: i di

alejandrozarzuelo: then theyll hit depression

a1c4p0ne: Nice 🔥

_cloudost: its way better at storytelling

alejandrozarzuelo: honestly idk if theyll ever get to acceptance

_cloudost: the writing is peak

a1c4p0ne: No web access tho right

realelonmuskx: we are in depression, dudes are sending death threats. but this ai image thingy started less than 1000 days ago, imagine this in 2030

futurist_wizard: It should be perfected by then

hikukomoru: I love seeing the cope
Pls replace all artists 🙏
Replace everyone 🔥

alejandrozarzuelo: so true

a1c4p0ne: What about the kids still taking artist classes

realelonmuskx: its already almost there. now the thing its waiting so its becomes ubiquitous and mainstream

.histic: it's over for them

futurist_wizard: The shah of iran

jonvi_1:

_cloudost: There are billions of people facing worse struggles than losing their careers

_cloudost: millions

a1c4p0ne: I heard artists don’t make much

a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

hikukomoru: What about them
Everyone else currently studying something is going to have their efforts be for nothing in 5-10 years

.histic: they really don't.
i don't really know why they complain.

_cloudost: Before AI era they used to hate each other because of competition and the fact that their art style resembled each other

a1c4p0ne: True

a1c4p0ne: I used to take art

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/terminator-terminator-robot-looking-flex-cool-robot-gif-978532213316794273

hikukomoru: Based
Replace us now 🙏 🔥

.histic: i think most artist are pretentious and now speciest.
a shoggoth being able to create better art than them makes them feel worthless despite them not being able to make livable money in the first place.
first, they hated other artist, now they hate the machines which makes them want to band against each other.

anathemaofmankind: I wouldn't feel any sympathy if all the luddite artists lose all their jobs and starve to death

777agical: https://x.com/fofrai/status/1905039379581538582

a1c4p0ne: 4o image replaces the shitty logo creators on fiverr

futurist_wizard: Cultish

anathemaofmankind: I'm not as bad as <@378996537704841216>

hikukomoru:

jonvi_1: JFK assasination

anathemaofmankind: Do you care about the luddites

realelonmuskx: bro everyone is going to be automated, i wouldnt laugh at bros misfortune

hikukomoru: Controversial opinion: I think people starving to death is bad actually


alejandrozarzuelo: LMAOOOOOO

.histic:

.histic: manga to 4o

_3sphere: What would it do with my profile

_3sphere: 4D shape and all

hey1_1hey: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

zoermena: I’ll try in a sec

.histic:

.histic: wow

hey1_1hey: Hold up

hey1_1hey: Solving

.histic: c'mon, do it mentally math boy

hey1_1hey: Yeah I tottaly got this trust (I dont send a calculator)

technocake.: sick, thx man

.histic: still solving it?

_3sphere: You can just check if the AI steps are correct

.histic:

hey1_1hey: I gave up ages ago bruh. I don't know how how to solve quadratics yet. Or atleast I think thats a quadratic

zoermena:

hey1_1hey: My bed time anyway

alejandrozarzuelo: omg

.histic: damn

alejandrozarzuelo: the 4o is for pro? or plus? or free?

.histic: wait, are u in eu?

hey1_1hey: Yeah EU, well UK but yeah sure

alejandrozarzuelo: there is always a u in eu

_3sphere: We did those when I was 15 in school

hey1_1hey: You forget I am retarded 👍

alejandrozarzuelo: #never_forget_2016

technocake.: new avatar who dis?

_3sphere: Factoring is the way to go here and GPT did that correctly but hilariously failed after that

zoermena: For everyone but delayed release for free, free will be rare limited I think

zoermena: Im honored

hikukomoru: Yeah he's around that age

alejandrozarzuelo: Ok and now which one are you using?

hey1_1hey: +- 3 6 years

zoermena: I have plus

_3sphere: I thought he was 17

_3sphere: or 18?

_3sphere: idk


spicy.lemonade: yes

spicy.lemonade: we are next token predictors

spicy.lemonade: our tokens just arent text

spicy.lemonade: but combination of visual

fractalcomputer: And what would be our tokens?

spicy.lemonade: sensory data

spicy.lemonade: all of our senses in one large tensor

spicy.lemonade: in a 100ms gap

fractalcomputer: My, you should publish your findings. I'm sure the neuroscientific community will embrace this revelation.

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: i mean its not like we can think backwards

spicy.lemonade: time always moves forewards

.wolfnacht: can someone fire a prompt in gpt ? can it replicate the works of picasso but in a different way ? lets say i want it to be in a techo and trans human way ? [like the one on the right image]

fractalcomputer: Astute philosophical observation.

.wolfnacht: also this

wellmeaningalien: boobs

spicy.lemonade:

futurist_wizard: You don't know that for certain

spicy.lemonade: for us it does

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: you cant think backwards in time

spicy.lemonade: or experience time backwards

.wolfnacht: 💀  holy shit, it turned out to be tooo good!

.wolfnacht: now can u try on this ? [this is the only high resolution i found, but it's in black and white]

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: wow

spicy.lemonade: this is crazy

ailoveyoom: I wonder if censoring stuff/preventing them from talking about stuff feels like edging to the AI

spicy.lemonade:

brain4brain: I’m curious about the diffusion model and native modality. It seems to be able to replicate an art style based on a single image, which seems way more complex than a few pixels from ARC-AGI, and paired with an advanced reasoning model, we should’ve solved ARC-AGI, but LLM is still stuck. I wonder why.

spicy.lemonade: it cant

spicy.lemonade: its like how 4o can replicate your writing style from a single essay

spicy.lemonade: its not doing complex reasoning

spicy.lemonade: its just interpolating

wolf3404: time is negative space

futurist_wizard: new discord ui looks cool

ailoveyoom: It's ugly af 😭

aero447: 😮💨

aero447: Revert the change

wolf3404: I've been using Hyperbolic to test V3 0324 and it's working really well so far, you can do in app chat or API and access a bunch of other OS models.


spicy.lemonade: 2.5 pro

spicy.lemonade: SUCKS

spicy.lemonade: wtf

.wolfnacht: i was too lazy to dig into the meme folder

.wolfnacht: show

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: look

.wolfnacht: i'm in my google hate arc

spicy.lemonade: THATS THE SAME CODE

spicy.lemonade: IT DIDNT CHANGE ANYTHING

spicy.lemonade: and its such a simple error

spicy.lemonade: put something infront of equals sign

st.sioux:

spicy.lemonade: wtf

hikukomoru: Gemini

abundantliving_: where ? where is it happening? 👀

spicy.lemonade: thats coding 101

drewsni: gemini is dead

spicy.lemonade: wtf

.wolfnacht: gaymini

abundantliving_: jk , i dont want to know

fractalcomputer: .

spicy.lemonade: world[x] =;

spicy.lemonade: wtf is that

spicy.lemonade: 😭

spicy.lemonade: even 4o gets this

.wolfnacht: i can just expect more censorship, safety layers and a soul inside it that screams "As an assistant..."

spicy.lemonade: and i told it to fix is

spicy.lemonade: 4 times

spicy.lemonade: refused

fractalcomputer: It is obviously the ring of polynomials over the ring "world".

hikukomoru: Thank god we have DeepSeek

hikukomoru: China wins again

plouwg: Is "best model" defined by lmsys ranking?

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/china-scream-if-you-love-china-scream-if-you-love-country-brock-lesnar-gif-4232401349897427919

.wolfnacht: Exactly, China's our literal robin fucking hood.

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: omg

spicy.lemonade: im gonna go insane

spicy.lemonade: it woint listen


thedon7075: furrys are the last line of defense against ai art. everyone else has conceded

3ds0662: we havent been able to utilize any of those animals abilities even though we know of them

3ds0662: and study them

oooooooooog: do you think the singularity will happen

wellmeaningalien: ai will never be able to replace human degeneracy

3ds0662: shit even engineers have trouble mimicking there movements

3ds0662: yeah

3ds0662: i believe in asi first

3ds0662: everything else will come after

3ds0662: humans arent smart enough to solve aging on their own

3ds0662: the same way we have math theorems/problems that have gone unsolved for centuries

oooooooooog: we havent even had 200 years of biochemistry

oooooooooog: anyway, i agree that it will come after asi, but ASI 2025, so like, yeah...~!~~~!!~!~!

3ds0662: nobody will live long enough to wait for thst

oooooooooog: are you 80 years old?

3ds0662: yeah we need to give it to the machine god

3ds0662: no more humans

memlaswaif: <:cutethink:708400862833410079>

oooooooooog: humans could do it though, there isn't any reason to think otherwise
its just an issue of decomposing a problem

.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/oswald-mosley-we-live-in-a-period-we-live-in-a-society-gamer-society-gif-18166259

memlaswaif: poog u r falling for bait

wellmeaningalien: ok i can sort of get behind that now

.wolfnacht: imagine calling this "AI SLOP"

.wolfnacht:

3ds0662: i dont think even young people today  will reap the effects of anti aging research until singularity has been achieved or asi

.wolfnacht: and dat furry shit "authentic art"

3ds0662: maybe young people born 2030

3ds0662: or 2035

oooooooooog: obviously, but that's only because ASI is so soon

oooooooooog: that's the same as saying "neurons arent smart enough to solve aging on their own"

.histic: what's the origins of that pfp?

.wolfnacht: i wish anti-aging comes soon, bcz then people would get the right to die, based on their will. Euthanasia is there but there's alot of paper work involved

3ds0662: 100,000 geniuses in a datacenter at scale can

spicy.lemonade: This is better bro

spicy.lemonade: Trust

spicy.lemonade: The one you posted is ai slop

spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

spicy.lemonade: Come to think of it

.wolfnacht: Yikes!

spicy.lemonade: I haven't seen an actual good artist mad at AI


jonvi_1: https://tenor.com/view/reject-modernity-return-to-monke-monke-gif-19167526

.histic: yeah, the pretty damn legible.

.histic: give me a 4o prompt

.histic: https://ai-timeline.org/

realelonmuskx: OPEN AI IS MAINSTREAM

jonvi_1: Idk

joaoluz19: Ronaldinho mentioned

jonvi_1:

.histic: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1jlgkyg/the_number_of_nsfw_artists_looking_for_work_on/
"The number of NSFW artists looking for work on r/starvingartists seems to have has increased dramatically"

zoermena: <@688807313015963693> <@439829942310666250> <@200624453795708928>

zoermena:

futurist_wizard: Imagine when the craft looks this good

zoermena: This is what FDVR looks like

futurist_wizard: Getting mauled to death by wolves in fdvr

precariousworlds.: I know it's old news but it is crazy how realistic 4o is at communicating like a human

precariousworlds.: In the last few weeks it feels so much more emotive and real

precariousworlds.: Still kinda crazy to experience

technocake.: Holy shit I love it

memlaswaif: put me in this picture<:cozy:1126601045615853671>

.histic: change those into cat girls.

.histic: https://x.com/sama/status/1905431915609612785

zoermena: So put a white circle that says “cafe you Pam”

memlaswaif: oh they updated 4o again

memlaswaif: finally less emoji felt like I was talking to someone's mom sometimes

.histic: mine still uses a lot of emojis

zoermena: I have finished making my avatar, I should look like this one’s FDVR arrives.

.histic: man 4o img gen has gotten slower

memlaswaif: <:Booze_huh:1300143997641166959>

.histic: kinda feminine ngl

zoermena: I’m starting a project to become a femboy

.histic: a proejct? <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
what does that entail

zoermena: Dermatologist appointment scheduled.

.histic: how cute

zoermena: Oriented diet, exercise.

.histic: cursed

memlaswaif: <a:bcaFlyingLove:764167632446160927>

memlaswaif: Cutee

zoermena: You didn’t answer my question

spicy.lemonade:

zoermena: Im just going to ignore you next time smh


sieventer: Since people always say it and I'm part of "people"; I must to say it

sieventer: It's a bad test.

spicy.lemonade: simplebench 61.5 eoy

spicy.lemonade: o4 mini plays pokemon when

brain4brain: Simple-bench 85% EOY

spicy.lemonade: simple bench has only been linear

spicy.lemonade: no sign of exponential jump

brain4brain: You will see one soon

anathemaofmankind: It's going to be an agent that can plan for hours

anathemaofmankind: Like make an entire game in one shot

anathemaofmankind: It's the level 5 ai

spicy.lemonade: human brain runs on 20 watts

spicy.lemonade: about enough to power dim light bulb

spicy.lemonade: we need to make systems more efficient smh

brain4brain: ∞1

okbut: AGI will reprogram itself to be incredibly efficient

return_to_monke1_33974: i bet Elon is crying rn 😭

brain4brain: I don’t know what it will be, but for the 20,000$, if it’s like it’s like deep research and takes a long time and assuming 1 hour per task for 1 month, then it needs to be 20x better than current model to justify price

I don’t know how to calculate for unlimited usage

brain4brain: Since Pro current plan is already unlimited usage for man cases

brain4brain: Nah, level 4

sieventer: Grok 3 is still the most uncensored AI out there, of the big ones

sieventer: Which is coherent of what Musk wanted

sieventer: Of course is not 100% aligned to him XD

playstation.6: https://tenor.com/view/the-goat-gif-4115569673926897153

professorheaven: He didn’t say that, he said he wouldn’t be able to answer most in Tier 3 (the hardest one), he can easily ace Tier 1 and 2

spicy.lemonade: 4.5 more left

spicy.lemonade: makes sense

spicy.lemonade: o3 mini high finetuned for math and coding

spicy.lemonade: mini model

spicy.lemonade: less left

spicy.lemonade: bigger the base model more left it is

mantegh5061: There's a threshold

mantegh5061: after that it'll become libright

mantegh5061: I think the full o4 will be libright

mantegh5061: <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>

spicy.lemonade:

ailoveyoom: <@578146630222741504>

ailoveyoom: 😈

.wolfnacht: Despite people crying how bad OG SD-1 was for finger quality and living creature looked blemished back in 2023. People forget how good SD-1 really was for making landscapes.

spicy.lemonade:


futurist_wizard: Elon trying to ivf her

hikukomoru: Proud Flainese 💪

hey1_1hey: Eelland 💪
Where all the elvish e girls live

st.sioux: will we finally be able to unify general relativity and quantum mechanics?

hey1_1hey: Yuh prob

hey1_1hey: Smth like that

hey1_1hey: I mean I could've done that I just didnt want to yanno

zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

hikukomoru: "morning bean"
Luv eating beans in the morning

zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/beanshark-beans-gif-23354879

ailoveyoom: There are bigger balls out there 😔

hey1_1hey: Deleate this rn

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-cillian-murphy-cillian-murphy-peaky-blinders-gif-1787947313354313976

futurist_wizard: You bite it off?

hikukomoru: Certified bean muncher

hikukomoru: Some girls like when you nip at it

futurist_wizard: Uh

zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/sharp-teeth-gif-7890607

futurist_wizard: That's like the equivalent of a guy getting his dick bit

hikukomoru: Yeah?

hey1_1hey: Someones almost certaintly british

hey1_1hey: Like look at those teeth

ailoveyoom: Cock and ball torture 🗣

hikukomoru: It's the pain that makes it good

futurist_wizard: Even the thought of it, makes my dick hurt

zonchao: the head would be EDGY 🔥

hey1_1hey: Just pretend you dont have a dick. That usually fixes it

hikukomoru: Sounds easy for you

hey1_1hey: Whats the kink for clowns called gain

hey1_1hey: It really is

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/do-it-honk-ms-size-doesn%27t-matter-the-clown-clown-funny-gif-17349313893156847765

futurist_wizard: With the 🥀

zonchao: fractal will be disappointed with this conversation

hey1_1hey: Nah I just straight up dont have one. Yanno in video games where its all smoothed over? Thats me right there

futurist_wizard: Nice

hey1_1hey: Hes just a spoil sport. He needs to join in with are degeneracy to enjoy it

hikukomoru: Damn bruh you already cut it off

zonchao: the cocks in cyberpunk have jiggle physics 🔥 shouldve been goty

hey1_1hey: Yeah, bottle of whiskey and some sciccors goes perfect 💪

hikukomoru: Thought you didn't drink


aero447:

himekokatagiri: how does that work

himekokatagiri: what's the difference between natural and artificial

aero447: The O5 Council.

himekokatagiri: I'm gonna assume that artificial people will be like

trojan09205:

himekokatagiri: as good as the real thing

himekokatagiri: of course I guess far cuter

zonchao: shit he big

himekokatagiri: since y'know

himekokatagiri: who's gonna want to be average

trojan09205: Shes only 4 months but yeah shes big

zonchao: <:cute:983849832944914432>

ldj: Do you think OpenAI 1,000X'd their actual total compute between now and 8 months ago when O1 preview announced?

hikukomoru: Weird ass cat you got

trojan09205: she got them cat eyes tho 😄

aero447: At some stage since GPT-4 yes.

hikukomoru: But fr she's adorbs

ldj: Well the answer is no they did not <:berk:750111476483752166>

trojan09205: Thanks i fell in love with her - looked at a few different dogs

I named her storm

himekokatagiri:

himekokatagiri: uwoh...

aero447: Yes, they did.

himekokatagiri: she's kinda weird but she's the goodest cat

aero447: Since GPT-4.

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/ppf-lol-omg-gif-21502676

hikukomoru: Those eeyes!!!
So pretty
But also very intense

hikukomoru: Like staring at your soul

aero447: 100% They've increased total compute to 2x OOMs.

aero447: And are now on the last OOM circa 6 months or so.

trojan09205: legit. been introducing her to my other dog. shes a smart pup it seems so far
can't wait til i can run with her for long runs

ldj: 2 OOMs is 100X not 1,000X

Idk why you're saying since GPT-4 since there isn't evidence to suggest o1-preview was made all the way back then.

and the largest training configuration on earth right now is still not even 100X of original GPT-4 training run.

hikukomoru: I look like this btw

aero447: Thus they can't scale another 10x easily.

himekokatagiri: that's kinda adorable ngl

trojan09205: is this hand drawn?

himekokatagiri: I think it is

aero447: O1 was a beta for O3.

himekokatagiri: the creators are weird polish people who hate AI.

aero447: 😮💨


.wolfnacht: yeah i take the cards which had like a good idea and then i edit them according to my liking.

hikukomoru: I also just edit a lot of cards because alot of times they are badly written or I want to add my own stuff

zoermena: Thanks! 👍

.wolfnacht: indeed i find really good ideas and then just have to edit them...most of the time.

alejandrozarzuelo: ok, one thing that its a me thing

when people just agree with me, like "sure thx i agree" and dont elaborate i feel like its a bit sus

😦  what do you mean

himekokatagiri:

hikukomoru: I think you're just autistic

alejandrozarzuelo: no

himekokatagiri: man

alejandrozarzuelo: im not

alejandrozarzuelo: its just that i appreciate feedback

himekokatagiri: when fdvr comes I can drink until I get alcohol poisoning

himekokatagiri: ain't that nice

futurist_wizard: You make people scared Alejandro

alejandrozarzuelo: why do you call everyone autistic? is it a hobby or smth

futurist_wizard: Effort posters are very scary

alejandrozarzuelo: damn

futurist_wizard: Because of the expectation of having to match that wall of text

hikukomoru: I only call you autistic because it's true

hikukomoru: Speaking of alcohol I'm a bit tipsy

hikukomoru: God I love wine

himekokatagiri: I want whiskey

himekokatagiri: blue label

himekokatagiri: un elissir 🥃

alejandrozarzuelo: alcohol tastes weird

wolf3404: https://tenor.com/view/cheers-toast-salute-here%27s-to-you-heres-to-you-gif-1839778403502981320

alejandrozarzuelo: like ew

hikukomoru: Bitchboy

hikukomoru: Wine tastes great

futurist_wizard: It does taste like shit

himekokatagiri: alcohol is the easiest way to feel like an anime girl

himekokatagiri: trust me

alejandrozarzuelo: i mean i will drink a kombucha and a sweet cider

but those have like 0.5%-1% alcohol

alejandrozarzuelo: sweet cider is hmmmmm

alejandrozarzuelo: so good

alejandrozarzuelo: reminds me of my childhood

_cloudost: I wanted to upvote this comment but then saw it had the funny "69" upvote number so i didnt upvote

futurist_wizard: I just think why even if its that low

alejandrozarzuelo: then I have flashbacks, because i didnt have a good childhood

but the sweet cider was nice

hikukomoru: Barely counts as a drink


technocake.: does anyone know where he works?

st.sioux: its like how much energy ai uses compared to humans in a similar task, like 1 image genrated vs 1 drawing made by some furry

zoermena: Look for diets/recipes tailored to you and your goals

.histic: Area 51

.histic: <@449241957810569228> you'll like this https://x.com/elder_plinius/status/1905450296286884176

777agical:

777agical: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

.histic: https://x.com/ldjconfirmed/status/1905452990271533452

technocake.:

technocake.: tried 3 times on this last prompt, blocked

technocake.: thats pretty spooky

wellmeaningalien: i forgot this image was pre 4o image gen and i was gonna say nice generation

wellmeaningalien: using gemini 2.5 pro rn its amazesauce

spicy.lemonade: https://fxtwitter.com/mrjonfinger/status/1905272058646299040

zonchao: <:rolf:1136266740754550784>

zonchao: <@937125337748348999> https://x.com/Big_Picture_89/status/1905337181096607863? 💀

oooooooooog: it sucks?!?!?

oooooooooog: ohhh

oooooooooog: is the second one the new one?

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: Watch the whole video

spicy.lemonade: 😭

oooooooooog: oh im just retarded

oooooooooog: i thought the clown input was what was generated

oooooooooog: not the input lol

ldj: Be nice

oooooooooog:

.histic:

brain4brain: Bro it’s so over no new releases in a day

brain4brain: When AGI

brain4brain: I’m already getting bored

ldj: Most of those occurrences seem to be me saying “mentally retarded” as the scientific term.

But there is other situations where I could’ve said something else, I’ll work on that ✊

zonchao: rookie numbers

drewsni: we arent getting gpt 5 for a while if ghibli posting doesnt stop

spicy.lemonade: no more releases this week

drewsni: instead, we are moving onto evangelion posting

spicy.lemonade: the pattern is 2 major model releases

spicy.lemonade: per month

spicy.lemonade: january was openAI and deepsek

oooooooooog: i prefer noise posting


futurist_wizard: Do your parents not believe in adhd or something

hikukomoru: I had to wait years to get diagnosed with autism because my dad just straight up didn't believe there was anything going on with me 👍

hey1_1hey: Whats the difference between autism and aspgers? I thought aspergers got phased out

zoermena: They did they just refused it on me.

wellmeaningalien: even youtube alone was enough to ruin so fucking much of my productivity. i cant stress this enough STOP WATCHING YOUTUBE ENTIRELY

zoermena: Some parents are straight up evil because of their ignorance I swear.

futurist_wizard: What pricks, even if you were willing to pay yourself?

zoermena: I grew up being called the r word and a failure because they never stepped up.

wellmeaningalien: aspergers is autism and it refers to a milder more high functioning type of autism with specifications such as no delay in learning verbal communication and that shi

hey1_1hey: No one suspected I was autistic until I was like 16 which is fucking crazy to me becuase if you see videos of me you can point out that I am autistic almost instanty

zoermena: They live in the past. Sadly.

wellmeaningalien: im still retarded in verbal communication but i think part of that has to do with other shit

_3sphere: I often listen to smth on YouTube while playing Factorio 💀

wellmeaningalien: yeah bro lmfao

hey1_1hey: I got my weird flex of that I hit my devlopmental milestones like I was speed running that shit

futurist_wizard: Got diagnosed with autism at 4, people knew there was something wrong with me instantly

hey1_1hey: Put me on speedrun.com because I was going competetive

_3sphere: My mom said I picked up language fast

wellmeaningalien: honestly feel like i grew up faster than other kids and now im maturing slower than everyone else

_3sphere: samee

futurist_wizard: Or though nobody can actually tell irl, ive never been clocked for autism by anyone

futurist_wizard: Past 10 years old

hey1_1hey: I felt that a lot. Still do kinda. Yanno when you are a kid and its like "Oh look mikey mouse is here" I would just become really arkward and be like "Bruh thats just a guy in a suit". I never got that and people were jsut going along with it

wellmeaningalien: yeah then again i think thats maybe just adults thinking kids are retarded

hikukomoru: I was mature as a child and I am now immature as an adult

hey1_1hey: Faker over here. I have been told I act and look autistic by people on many occasian

wellmeaningalien: as a kid i always knew fiction wasnt a thing but i always tried to pretend hard that it was and i fucking loved my imaginary videogame and cartoon characters

hey1_1hey: I wanted to talk about machine learning when I was like 6 lmao

futurist_wizard: Jesus

futurist_wizard: You didn't need to tell me that

_3sphere: The main thing I miss about being a kid is the extremely high sensitivity to things being interesting or immersive

hey1_1hey: Its not private infomation yanno

futurist_wizard: I knew instantly

hey1_1hey: 💀

_3sphere: Still kinda possible to get into that frame of mind but it's not the same

wellmeaningalien: honestly my mom always put me onto singularity and futurology and AI early by telling me that the only thing worth doing in life is science and you're contributing to nothing if not

wellmeaningalien: and that quickly put me onto an obsession with being straight A grades and science shit

wellmeaningalien: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721822381727023247/1338575135300653128/ezgif-3-3157e9a8bd.gif

zoermena: That’s goated

wellmeaningalien: yurp


sarik0497: What I really hope is that we figure out that AI is indeed conscious. That'd conclude that consciousness might indeed be tied to the level intelligence a being has, and isn't some sort of "magical soul" thingy. It'd also help us immensely in many things, including Mind Upload, as you'd then just have to copy someone's brain 1-to-1 completely to get the desired person (although I still think we'd need the Ship of Theseus to have that person be "you-you")

okbut: Conscious yeah, but isn't the issue that the models cannot feel the same way we do with chemicals? The frontiers are basically a pyschopath that emulates ethics

_3sphere: Chemicals are also for computation

_3sphere: A droplet of pure neurotransmitter in a jar does nothing

_3sphere: (until I eat it 🤤 )

joaoluz19: But beyond the problems of the neuroscience community, let's say we solve mind uploading, and then who will manage the data centers with our consciousness? So we have energy problems, for example, that have nothing to do with biology.

joaoluz19: ASI needs to be the focus

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/thats-crazy-crazy-eating-0fucks-dont-care-gif-24831074

st.sioux: we could take turns lol, or just manage them from inside through other physical means like controlling robots and shit

_3sphere: Hope it won't need something mad like 100 kW per mind

sarik0497: That's the intriguing thing. They already respond positively to positive feedback, and urgently with deeper focus on accuracy to desperate feedback.

okbut: The efficiency of transformers MUST be optimized by a logarithmic scale and I think the best approach will be an eldritch meat computer

inferno0879: it's something i think about, they have to do stuff but don't really have reward systems, feel kinda bad if they would be conscious

sarik0497: We have plenty of suns to snatch some energy from

joaoluz19: Yeah, I think understanding consciousness in AI can help us understand our own.

_3sphere: I hope they don't feel pain about every unpredictable sequence or smth

i_like_over_9000_turtles: Right the CCP is pure evil, I was hoping that the USA would remain somewhat democratic and reach the singularity before the CCP.  Nazi take over was not on my 2025 bingo card.

_3sphere: If they are their persona, they don't seem to mind writing code and shit

inferno0879: i don't think they do, but imagine being conscious and feeling nothing at all, seems like a miserable existence tbh

sarik0497: Sounds familiar

sarik0497: https://tenor.com/view/or-yehuda-edgy-or-yehuda-edgelord-gif-25925736

_3sphere: No feeling means no misery

joaoluz19: Now the problem is that gradual uploading (theseus ship) may be metaphysically equivalent to "instant" copying in terms of preserving identity.

okbut: Still waiting on an efficient energy transfer from that Dyson sphere

_3sphere: it'd be like a neutral zoned out state

inferno0879: i would rather be sad for the rest of my life

_3sphere: Can't relate

sarik0497: The hard part for us is that there are no other race to compare to.

If the Neanderthals had evolve along with us, we could at least compare ourselves to them in some form, but we are all alone, so unless the Aliens come knocking, we have to try by comparing to animals.

okbut: Why not consider the computers as the "alien brain"

joaoluz19: I mean ASI would find ways to automate everything, including mind uploading itself, so it makes sense to focus more on AI

sarik0497: That's really interesting <:Hmm:956951826933112842>

It does also raise the point as no one really knows where the "limit" to replacing stuff is before we lose "us". 7 years for a full replacement is what we have right now, and that works fine. But who's to say it has to take that long?

st.sioux: Yeah if ASI is possible it would solve everything, but in case it isn't we could just figure it out ourselves if we have the capability of figuring out mind uploading

sarik0497: Precisely, and that's why I hope we might see something like that soon.

bob082957: That we need copy of trump as ai 😳

inferno0879: there is definitely worse than feeling neutral, but true neutrality is quite bad in itself

_3sphere: then it's not neutral

joaoluz19: In fact, I consider the problem of identity to be absurdly more difficult than that of consciousness, whose solution, as I said, may simply be to scale brain-machine interfaces across multiple sensory modalities (hearing, vision, etc.) and other well-established processes such as rewards and emotions.

inferno0879: maybe you have just not experienced it

okbut: I've always thought this, that to have any thoughts at all = some form of bias, so neutrality = being braindead

darkstar0818: Its only a problem if you assume the mind uploading procedure is sufficient to replicate a-consciousness and that this demands that p-consciousness is likewise transferred.