okbut: I can only see that moving forward by putting the individual experts all together

joaoluz19: It won't happen because, as I said, there are no ambitious interests and AI is evolving much faster.

st.sioux: jack of all trades master of none

okbut: I think there's lots of interest, it's just lost when considering everything involved as one

okbut: Neuralink gamers already showing an advantage over us think > decide > click plebs

joaoluz19: There are no multi-million dollar projects focusing on mind uploading for example

st.sioux: don't you think its  a bit early for that?

fractalcomputer: Or one just has to be a somewhat bright individual.

okbut: Yeah the approach to ethics is too messy for anyone to try lmao

joaoluz19: I know some researchers from large universities like Tokyo and even projects like Randal Koene's Carbon Copies but they don't receive even a fraction of the funding of other lines of neuroscience research.

fractalcomputer: All ethicists should be thrown off a cliff.

okbut: I wonder how much weight that bs ethics holds on slowing progress on humanoids

joaoluz19: As far as I know, for example, Greg from OpenAI said that scaling hypothesis was a consequence of trial and error in AI research and now we are seeing everything that is happening

wolf3404: https://tenor.com/view/big-lebowski-the-dude-your-opinion-gif-4476328

st.sioux: i think its more about learning how to connect everything rather than being a polymath, like being a bridge between disciplines

joaoluz19: Even in a country that is poor in research like mine, it is trivial for my professor to get millions for a certain project.

fractalcomputer: Opinions can be acted upon.

okbut: I recently thought that the first useful humanoid household robots will just be a "robot" being controlled by some offshore worker, like that "Whole Foods was actually processing grocery carts with Indian techs" conspiracy

fractalcomputer: Every bridge builder is a polymath.

okbut: Last thing before I lock tf in
Is this portugese? Or spanish? the language might be fucking up their response

joaoluz19: Ah, it's Brazilian Portuguese.

joaoluz19: Lock in Bro

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/brasil-mentioned-brasil-mentioned-brahma-anime-gif-15357834161136461942

_3sphere: If that works, sure

_3sphere: the worry is that a brain modified this way wouldn't actually feel good anymore

okbut: Did this ping you? <@1190031399080710195>

okbut: Unrelated but I'm wondering if adding a mention to an edit works

okbut: Someone test it on me he's gawn

sarik0497: So…are we expecting something cool this year besides GPT-5 and the new Anthrotopic model, or is Squid Game S3 the only thing worth noting for 2025?

_3sphere: unsure, I tabbed back here without looking

_3sphere: it's orange though

okbut: Fuck

okbut: Did this ping you? <@806143139894525962>

sarik0497: Nope.

sarik0497: It doesn’t work if you edit it

okbut: Unreal. One chat I'm helping someone in has a 1-hour timer so they gotta wait

i_like_over_9000_turtles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China

bob082957: I was typing on iPhone and was seeing this what’s grand llama ?

_3sphere: over 500B parameters :3

i_like_over_9000_turtles: https://tenor.com/view/llama-sorry-for-being-so-fabulous-sassy-animals-gif-11170151


zoermena: That’s cool, how do you find this practice problems (for AI) are you in some kind of digital university course?

okbut: But that's odd, because this is the format I received for some past homework, vanilla conversation instructions
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_aa00d280-282e-4ff0-9c56-e4ecfdf2d78e

joaoluz19: Gemini also sent it to me in ASCII lol

hey1_1hey: Oh I am terrible at maths atm so I am working my way through algebra 1, then 2, trig, statistics, geom, pre calc, calc 1 and 2 etc etc. Luckily for me I got autism and ADHD on my side so I can do 4 hours of maths a day no sweat

okbut: What app is this? browser etc

zoermena: Based

joaoluz19: In the case of GPT it doesn't seem to be a problem.

joaoluz19: Gemini in the browser

zoermena: I should probably work on my math too I’ve forgotten most of what I’ve seen in college 🫠

zoermena: Something im also drawn too is the Trachtenberg method for quick mental math

hey1_1hey: I failed math in highschool then forget it all so now I am having to relearn most of it.

okbut: Oh weird, I tested it just now and it did the same, maybe they dropped Latex

joaoluz19: Hmm, it's really strange, sometimes I saw Gemini rendering in Latex but it sends in ASCII by default

zoermena: Untreated ADHD sucks ass I can relate

hey1_1hey: Not sure what that is, I just round the numbers I need to add in my head and then take away or add the approriate amount. Not sure if thats the way you're supposed to do it but it works

hey1_1hey: Indeed, didn't know I had ADHD or Autism through all of high school pretty much and then I got diagnosed and then things started to click

okbut: If it's a high preference, I guess you could throw in the convo instructions to always use Latex for math, but it's more my preference that it focuses on accuracy

zoermena: Are you on treatment atm?

hey1_1hey: Nah, parents think ADHD drugs are like coke <:LOL:1187460826572005436>. I got my own method though

joaoluz19: Btw Gemini is light years better for viewing files, o3 confuses the letters all the time, I have to make gpt 4o pass the questions to latex so that o3 can solve them

hey1_1hey: I sit myself in my room, turn on pink noise, put on a pomodoro timer and just work. Pink noise has to be loud to block out my thinking though

hey1_1hey: Helps that I actually enjoy doing maths

okbut: Are there any convo instructions? Grok always gives me Latex embeds

ailoveyoom: Pink noise??

hey1_1hey: Yuh, its like white noise but better

zoermena: No coffee no stimulants? Kudos to you.

ailoveyoom: How is it different from white noise

_3sphere: Different frequency intensities

_3sphere: sounds like white noise but through shit headphones with no bass

hey1_1hey: Oh wait yeah I forgot about that <:LOL:1187460826572005436>. I take these 200mg of caffine in a pill and I take lion mane tablets every day

joaoluz19: It worked lol, gemini

_3sphere: brown noise sounds like a waterfall, with more lower frequencies than high

zoermena: Oh I see

hey1_1hey: I tried all the noises, brown noise is a close second but pink is what I landed on

_3sphere: there's also "green noise" which is only mid-range frequencies and it kinda sounds like 1000 voices talking over each other

okbut: Brown noise for shittin'

hey1_1hey: ADHD in a nutshell right there

hey1_1hey: I think I missed something

ailoveyoom: This one sounds like hell

hey1_1hey: Let me go nosey on over to green noise to give it a listen


trojan09205: CODE is actually not bad and Linux Mag is cool they usually include a free distro in many publications

trojan09205: I am actually running opensuse leap from a cd rom i got there

hikukomoru: That's not an answer
Tell me if you like Dead Dove or not

anathemaofmankind: If I speak, I am in big trouble

ailoveyoom: I was more talking about the disappointingly common beastiality and children stuff on there 😔

hikukomoru: I put omegaverse in the same category as those

trojan09205: My dog is getting absurdedly dirty from a cow rib i got her

futurist_wizard:

trojan09205: I learned how to keep my thoughts to myself about anything remotely political working in corporate for half a decade

futurist_wizard: I'm a gender abolitionist, so i don't care what's considered a real what

anathemaofmankind: I tried reading some RWBY noncon and got flashbanged by dog fucking

ailoveyoom: I usually just filter by non-con

ailoveyoom: Dead dove is too vague

trojan09205: What do you think about the third gender in native american culture (some)

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/i-know-what-you-are-cat-sus-suspicious-cat-side-eye-cat-meme-gif-11842087146493734807

trojan09205: Meta rayban POV of doge going ham

ailoveyoom: That's you irl?

futurist_wizard: I would be against strict categories as it's just destructive  to society

trojan09205: Ye

trojan09205: From my glasses

trojan09205: I mean its fair perspective if youre consistent

hikukomoru: What's a gender abolitionist

zonchao: is that her name...i thought it was storm or something

trojan09205: Yeah its storm great memory homie G

trojan09205: I was just calling her a doge being non funny haha

zonchao: never forget 🦅

hikukomoru: Cutie
I'm currently cuddling with my cats in bed

trojan09205: Appreciate you

trojan09205: Cuddles with fur friends is legit something you can thank the universe for being alive to enjoy

fractalcomputer: Most animals are spooked by my presence. I wonder why that is.

hikukomoru: Yesss
There is no better feeling in the world for me than waking up with my two babies sleeping on top of my chest

trojan09205: Do you ever just get down low and wait for them to approach you and kind of be standoffish til they make contact

trojan09205: Love that. Ive been sleeping with my two dogs as well its super cute

fractalcomputer: No, I enter their presence and I immediately get bad eye.

ailoveyoom: I'm not 😇

futurist_wizard: There's different forms of it, but I'm in favour of removing gender norms and roles from society e.g (men & women behave like this, wear this or that, **should** be doing such and such) but im still in favour of keeping the sex categories

trojan09205: But do you actually like animals my bro

anathemaofmankind: I'm a sex absolutist.  I don't care about ppl gender, I will refer to you by DNA and your biological makeup. The exception is if they're hot and I can't tell any difference.

Of course if gene editing becomes a thing then the distinction becomes irrelevant

artemisfowl887394: Lol. That's probably because you forget to blink.

trojan09205: I went to get a piercing like a few weeks ago and i told her i wanted something more masculine and she gave me a short but polite speech about masculinity being relative lol


ldj: ah ok fair

drewsni: i dont like hate the guy

ldj: was it a particular part of the episode, or just the conclusion you ended up on after finishing it.

drewsni: i just wish he'd dedicate more to doing actual science is all since he has the means to do it

drewsni: im still gonna buy his multivitamins tho

ldj: I think it would be best to change certain things in the protocol, but they're keeping it within certain cost constraints as well as vegan constraints, so I guess I don't blame em. Still probably the single best overall mix you can get online though.

drewsni: Yeah, and i fully get that im being comparatively harsher on him than i would most people, but i do expect him to go that extra mile if he can

drewsni: i do appreciate him championing health + ai tho

ldj: <:lookup:1127463050874728538>

metaldragon01: I think it takes untill next year to sat tbh. Hope im wrong though

drewsni: oh, it was the conclusion, derek pressed him on why he didnt do more with studies and why he was so focused on the bio clock which is not a great indicator, and more just like a whoop category imo.

ldj: Was derek talking about studies as-in, with multiple people? or did he just mean like creating better written case-studies of his bryans self-experiments.

drewsni: Studies both with bryan himself with multiple instances of changing medications or protocols during the side effect period. Derek also was on the opinion that bryan should drop the bio clock altogether, which i agree with, and instead push blueprint members to opt strictly for blood tests instead.

drewsni: And also im not a fan of the "large study" he ran last year with the hundreds of blueprint subs

ldj: I haven't watched the interview yet, but I think a good counter-argument which Bryan maybe used is that the mimetics of having the bio clock become a popularized thing is arguably something that is much easier for people to latch on to and serve as a gateway for people to get pulled into the movement, and is more likely to form a cultural competitive dynamic of bioclocks against eachother. As opposed to people being convinced by something more complex like blood results.

ldj: and I have a hard time seeing people becoming competitive as much about particular blood work results, it's a much more multi-faceted and cumbersome thing to compete with eachother against, (even though it migth be objectively a better measure of health).

drewsni: That was his argument for sure. But derek countered with saying that bryan is trying to somewhat advertise blueprint as a way to measure and improve actual health markers, and that bio clock isnt a health market in anyway, just a competition like you said.

drewsni: I just think that like 6 months ago bryan had the opportunity to pivot to more science, and instead he doubled down on whoop/bioclocks

drewsni: which is fine, its just im disappointed is all

ldj: I see, I'll watch the full thing <a:mhm:1241863658284253264>
i'm only at the 15 min mark rn

drewsni: The parts I’m talking about are the middle half I think and lasts for 30-45

drewsni: Although I do think a lot of Derek’s arguments are hypocritical. But he does have enough separation between Merek health(I think it’s spelled that) and gorilla mind that I’ll give him a pass

ldj: <@88481490228228096> if you're curious about what Id change/add about the protocol:
last I checked they were using ALA form of Omega-3 in the blueprint stack.
It's the common vegan form of omega-3 derived from flaxseed and algae, but the main important Omega-3 actually shown to give the most significant benefits in studies is EPA and DHA.

*technically* ALA is capable of converting to EPA and DHA in the body, but the conversion rates are so low, especially with the dosage of ALA that exists, that you wouldn't really get anywhere the clinically significant amounts of EPA and DHA that are optimal.

drewsni: Yeah I think Derek questions that and questions the efficacy of the omega 3 the blueprint stack uses, but I could be hallucinating it. It is for sure a very info dense podcast at times and I was listening during a road trip so a lot went over my head

ldj: Here is the one I take that I'd recommend if you want a good omega-3 source https://a.co/d/aQe8Ndx, you should take ideally atleast 2 per day for the clinically relevant levels, I take 4, past 4 or 5 and there is not really much extra benefit.

drewsni: I’ll be sure to do that, I went vegetarian a little while ago so there’s a lot of stuff I’m missing and just haven’t had the time to research

metaldragon01: these are in my daily stack. good stuff

metaldragon01: d3+k2 also solid

drewsni: Yeah I gotta take d3 k2 year round or I’ll get depressed lmao

ldj: Maybe the main one other thing I take which I've noticed big benefit from but isn't included in Bryans stack, is Sulforaphane, sourced from broccoli sprouts.

Bryan maybe didn't include it in the stack though for cost reasons, and also because it has allergy risk to some people, (and maybe in-part due to the newness of it) was ~$80 per month for a while and only available in stable form from just 1 or 2 companies. But the price has dropped a bit now

ldj: this is the only company I trust with sulforaphane rn, they were the first to come to market with the shelf-stable form iirc: https://www.broq.life/products/broq?variant=39552225607753

drewsni: What’s the benefit you get from it?

ldj: Mechanistically, it's a strong activator of the NRF2 transcription factor, which in-turn modulates a ton of genes responsible for a lot of the bodies main anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory mechanisms.

Main benefits that I can say I significantly felt within a few weeks, is things like significantly reduced joint pain (I've had some minor juvenile arthritis for a long time) overall clearer mind, better working memory, better muscle recovery, and overall similar benefits to what I get from hgih dose Omega-3, but a slightly different dimension of improvement that is a bit more cognitive, and stacks on top of the joint pain and mind clarity benefits that I already have from Omega-3.

ldj: and I think I have a decent feel for whats placebo or not, since I have eightsleep and other biometrics, and have trialed myself through many different kinds of supplements in the past, most of which never had any long term significant effects on me, so I always go into each one pretty skeptical.

drewsni: youve convinced me lol

ldj: First benefits I notice are after roughly 10 days, and the full benefits seem to come after around 3-6 months of consistently taking it, actually similar to the saturation time of omega-3.

drewsni: do you have a code i can use?

ldj: sorry no lol

drewsni: i meant more for you, i know some of these brands will give a free month if you refer someone

drewsni: https://www.broq.life/pages/refer-a-friend


fractalcomputer: Two gajillion years added to the prediction.

zonchao:

wryyth: don't trust expert's timelines

wryyth: they know next to nothing

destrucules: LEV, by construction, is hard to pin down in prospect. Even in retrospect, it's a bit sensitive to your numerical setup. But a cure for aging should be achieved by 2028 ish, ±2 years. ASI will be achieved this year, but a significant group of people will probably continue to say it hasn't been achieved until ~2029.

sarik0497: https://80000hours.org/2025/03/when-do-experts-expect-agi-to-arrive/

fractalcomputer: How much money are you willing to bet that ASI will not be achieved this year?

destrucules: My main concern is what the resolution criteria are

sarik0497: The issue is that most of the timelines made by the experts are "old" (pre chatgpt old)

destrucules: I explicitly said I expect ASI to be achieved and then for a lot of people to argue it isn't ASI

metaldragon01: I can only a see narrow spot for super intelligence. I don't think we get asi In close to a meaningful way

metaldragon01: At best math and code reach super intelligence

wryyth: <@749514473303179358> i bet billion dollars and my life

fractalcomputer: You already consigned your soul to the deepest pits of Hell by joining this server.

gamerbath: wait so AI won't be able to read text until next year?

wryyth: i believe AGI would happen at some point but it would be decades away from now

destrucules: Math and code will undoubtedly reach superintelligence. And we are already in the superintelligent regime for general intelligence as measured by GPQA, BBH, MMLU, MMLU-Pro, etc. Matched domain experts achieve ~70±5 on GPQA. We're past that now. Matched domain experts achieve ~90 on MMLU. We're past that now. Similar for BBH, and we're past that too. We've been in the superintelligent regime for medical since 2023. There isn't much left.

gamerbath: and AI won't beat humans at go before 2032? are these experts in stupidity or am I reading the graph wrong?

fractalcomputer: After same number of games.

gamerbath: which means?

ldj: Is there accomplishments you expect to happen within say, a year of your idea of ASI being achieved.
For example solving 1 or more millennium problems?
or a reconciliation of gravity and quantum mechanics that the scientific community agrees does not have flaws within?

gamerbath: they play the game the game for the same amount? like what does that mean. if you play 2 games then you play 2 games, you both play the same number of games

sarik0497: If you take an average Joe and let's him play it 10 times, and then let's an AI do the same 10 times, then the AI should be able to beat the human every time

fractalcomputer: You may think of it as experience.

fractalcomputer: It is interesting to note that people see the Millennium Problems as *the* math problems.

destrucules: No, but that's due to my uncertainty about how hard those problems are

ldj: Well atleast one of the millenium problems was solved by a human <:shrug:1083221317945413777>
but tbf the difficulty of that particular problem perhaps was just far easier than any of the others

destrucules: I do think we will achieve O(10^6) Nature level novel scientific works generated end to end by AIs with, besides peer review, no human oversight, by the end of 2025

fractalcomputer: We have no general way of determining how hard these problems are; apart from many failed attempts.

drumguy0677: would ASI this year now mean that LEV, FDVR, and all the jazz are only 2-3 years away?

destrucules: Btw MMLU-Pro domain matched human expert level performance is 78. Modern models score in the mid 80s

destrucules: Not necessarily, as some of these depend on infrastructure and adoption

fractalcomputer: For all we know, the proof of the Riemann hypothesis could be incredibly simple; at least once the right framework has been found. (Compare with the proofs of analogues of the RH.)

drumguy0677: but it will be able to tell exactly how to do it?

ldj:

gamerbath: that's oddly specific

ailoveyoom: Yes, but not if you give me a cut 😈

zoermena: Congratulations

gamerbath: I don't see why it would change anything, it would just make ur predictions more accurate to me. it's not like only saying positive things towards those companies will have a non-negligible amount of advertisement to them

zoermena: There’s no point in advertising to us we are brokies with no power to change public opinion 🤷🏻♂ I’ll trust the messiah


ldj: what did your post contain?

spicy.lemonade: Lemme send

ldj: ok dm me

ldj: GPT scaling hypothesis

ldj: <:shrug:1083221317945413777>

ldj: or just something with RL

wolf3404: https://x.com/grok/status/1912318583532872166

spicy.lemonade: My r/singularity posts always average like 80k views and 500 upvotes lol

.histic: here's my flex 😎

spicy.lemonade: I think this means my posts are hella controversial

spicy.lemonade: We have same amount of comments

spicy.lemonade: Which is odd conscidering people are more likeley to vote than comment

.histic: i farm karma meaninglessly.
just engagement farming

spicy.lemonade: What’s that

spicy.lemonade: Like with respect to singularity

spicy.lemonade: How would you farm

.histic: anything interesting or insightful ig

spicy.lemonade: Not farming then

spicy.lemonade: Kind of the point of the sub

.histic: wait, whats ur user on reddit

spicy.lemonade: gbomb13

.histic: yeah, you post lots of replies to things

.histic: i usually just post

spicy.lemonade: Ah

himekokatagiri: <@505313122802728972> I got veo

himekokatagiri: and I can't generate things with it

himekokatagiri: lol

himekokatagiri: safety reasons

himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/nigeria-dance-dance-move-gif-15588883

otub: veo 2 doesnt like anything humanoid

himekokatagiri: jesus

otub: in my experience

himekokatagiri: then what is it for

himekokatagiri: now I can't generate exceeded quota lmao

himekokatagiri: didnt even make anything

himekokatagiri: see this is why I hate censored AI

himekokatagiri: brain the size of the world and you use it for peanuts

hikukomoru: I have it too now

hikukomoru: I made a cat

hikukomoru:


trojan09205: Fair if it works for you homie G

st.sioux: its so hard to structure the data right for embedding tho

trojan09205: Yeah agree especially when its large volumes of data*

drewsni: what kinda app are you building anyway?

trojan09205: someone shared a link with me today of something called puppygraph. Makes relational databases more suitable to LLM queries

drewsni: i think HyDE is the best solution for RAG, but nobody uses it

trojan09205: Its a chatbot to augment scientific training data. They have a lot of ppts and videos teaching scientists about running pesticide field trials and we want to RAG that data so people can interact with the chatbot to augment their training

trojan09205: Thank you i will check it out

trojan09205: https://www.puppygraph.com

a1c4p0ne: Did you win the debate

drewsni: the tldr of HyDE is you generate a hypothetical document of what the document you want *should* look like, so your top semantic matches are much more relevant

trojan09205: Love that. Checking out a medium article about it

trojan09205: Tho medium is funny how its sometimes very useful stuff and other times hype/ads

drewsni: i used it for a kagi clone back in like 2023 for a project and it worked really well with just gpt 3.5 turbo

trojan09205: Beautiful i really appreciate you pointing me in that direction. Important to learn everything even if you dont use it

drewsni: its probably overkill, but rag feels so caveman like without it. Heres a good visualization of it btw

trojan09205: <@88481490228228096> have you noticed an improvement in performance when you use context windows vs rag

Like lets say you just wanted to chat about a specific website. Just one page of docs

trojan09205: Saving this img tyvm

drewsni: i guess it depends on context size itself. I've found pro 2.5 gives much better actual solutions if you give it less than 200k context, while 1 million context would be better suited for a "find the issue" or "which functions can be refactored?" type questions

drewsni: and then you can go into a new chat with much smaller/better context to actually write the solution

trojan09205: What about extrapolation type questions

Like “based on this docs, how would you apply a similar concept elsewhere”

drewsni: Yeah or another exampld would be you can take a github repo, replace the g with u so "uihub.com/whatever" and ask it which files are most relevant to a question

trojan09205: Doesnt that use a reranker

trojan09205: I was asking conceptually. Like lets take non coding even. If you wanted to ask about a certain philosophy (and in RAG case lets say you ingested a book) and ask to extrapolate that or apply in an analogous but totally* different scenario

spicy.lemonade: The class seemed to think I did

spicy.lemonade: Got the generic “what you said was pretty cool”

spicy.lemonade: And made a new friend

spicy.lemonade: But I think its mostly cause people wanted to feel good about ai generating their essays

spicy.lemonade: The basilisk will remember this 🙏

drewsni: I guess in this case I’d choose Hyde embedding retrieval

trojan09205: Ive noticed that context windows work much better for extrapolating vs RAG but i havent* tried hyde

In RAG is just likes to say “i didnt find anything about that in the context” and block up

But chatting a chatbot it seems to be very very flexible at applying the conversation to anything else

trojan09205: Oh snap the NfL draft is tomorrow lfg

drewsni: Yeah pretty much. Although I remember when RAG seemed like its primary use was to stop hallucinations. Guess we’ve come full circle

drewsni: <@312370916820779040> do you use gpt task scheduler

ldj: Yes

ldj: Well I haven't actively made a new scheduling thingy in a while, but I have ones I've set in the past that still run every week

spicy.lemonade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4s_O6qnF78&pp=0gcJCYQJAYcqIYzv

spicy.lemonade: why is she making a video on an old model

spicy.lemonade: we moved on

drewsni: Does it have tool use and/or search?


fuhulootogan: eunuch geeks usually wear weird af costumes

technocake.: https://tenor.com/view/red-dwarf-rimmer-arnold-rimmer-hammer-time-gif-18045152327086425796

wellmeaningalien: bro called u an eunuch

zonchao:

wellmeaningalien: would be an awesome ass fight if it was in dbz

fractalcomputer: Jesus Christ. Why am I always under attack by weird fucking trolls?

zonchao: people that throw insults around are retarded

zonchao: <:ez:1136267305521774634>

wellmeaningalien: r/singularity

wellmeaningalien: eunuch's such a funny insult tho

zonchao: yes its a new one

fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-lotr-what-can-men-do-against-such-reckless-hate-gif-15957551

okbut: It's the year 1963+62 and we're still bitching over justified true belief theory

okbut: Unreal

fractalcomputer: Epistemology is always pertinent.

wellmeaningalien: can make me owner

retrerox: tf with the eagle eye

fractalcomputer: And have a Frank in control? Dear Heavens, no.

zonchao: AI

retrerox: I know

retrerox: 😂

wellmeaningalien: no i'll take this server for algeria

fractalcomputer: Even worse.

wellmeaningalien: ☝

retrerox: everything here is AI

retrerox: even you 🫵🏿

wellmeaningalien: 🫢

fuhulootogan: how do you discern weird?

zonchao: i cannot get 5% on frontier math 😨

fractalcomputer: Where is our server Sufi mystic when we need him the most?

fuhulootogan: not normal but what behavior is normal

wellmeaningalien: is he actually  <a:capDanimated:1173154707355738202>

alejandrozarzuelo: If you think about it, it's true

Our intelligence is artificial, without the social structures that we have engineered for ourselves, we couldn't get the intellectual formation required to comprehend what we do

People in the past WERE much stupider than we are, nor because they were genetically any different but by virtue of not having received an education that allowed their brains to develop

fractalcomputer: He went by the username of Bob, he hasn't been active for the better part of a year now.

wellmeaningalien: hmm

wellmeaningalien: yk i recall a mystic being active not so long ago

fractalcomputer: He was from Algeria as well, I believe. Dubious French connections.

wellmeaningalien: well the whole of ex french africa has french connections lol

alejandrozarzuelo: This reminds me of thr Conde Duque de Olivares, the first person in a position of power in the world, as the right hand man of the Spanish emperor, to propose and almost pass legislation creating universal male compulsory basic education

In the 17th century

That man unfortunately was too enlightened for his time

fractalcomputer: I know. I am rather involved in the Francophone culture of Finland.


himekokatagiri: the one chatgpt uses

himekokatagiri: idk if it's o3

literallyvarane: I don’t think it’s better than 4o’s

.histic: i think it's just routing to 4o img gen

literallyvarane: For me honestly a really compelling demo of o3 is just asking it to write alternative history tbh.

himekokatagiri: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-7u3C-y0Mo

himekokatagiri: has to be good as this

drewsni: probably, but its also a non reasoning model without search which is kinda what makes it impressive to me

.histic: yeah, just routing.

trent_k: https://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2025/04/17/Sperm-Racing-Los-Angeles-Hollywood-Palladium/1181744921463/

brain4brain: Competitive gooning

spicy.lemonade: neurosymbolic when

zonchao: 👀

trent_k: you can gamble on it apparently

trent_k: adding "competitive sperm racer" to my list of post-AGI jobs that will still exist

zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

zonchao: How do you train for this

ldj: The fact that it gets perspective wrong or the image looks wonky is not relevant to the impressiveness being talked about here, not saying that the image quality is impressive or anything like that, simply talking about the fact that it's so close in the properties of that location compared to the real world

ldj: That's exactly what we're saying is crazy impressive, the fact that it's even able to remember well enough what streets are at such coordinates, and then further know/remember how that neighborhood roughly looks like, and the fact that there is shrubbery and a cross walk and a certain house style etc..

The fact that it knows all of those details in association with those coordinates is impressive.

zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/scaling01/status/1913338982877851718?

aero447: Holy shit.

aero447: https://tenor.com/view/wrestlemania28-john-cena-rock-cena-rock-cena-rock-wrestlemania-gif-27519679

aero447: <@430269783112548362> vs <@1190031399080710195>

trent_k: there's a bunch of nut-maxxing supplements you can take. but idk if they actually make ur swimmers faster

spicy.lemonade: wtf

spicy.lemonade: O3 reset for everyone

aero447: Lies.

aero447: Mine still has 23rd.

st.sioux: wdym reset

spicy.lemonade: no

spicy.lemonade: i used up all of mine yesterday

spicy.lemonade: and now i can use

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: .

himekokatagiri: I haven't been using gpt

himekokatagiri: ran out of images to make

himekokatagiri: limitations too sad

a1c4p0ne: You have 2.5 pro

a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

zoermena: Are you sure it was for everyone?


himekokatagiri: the program is finally usable now

himekokatagiri: but you need windows 11 😠

_cloudost: 1:58

neon01197: https://x.com/ananyaku/status/1912523195175039398

neon01197: o4 mini aswell

neon01197: maybe

hey1_1hey: Would be hype

hey1_1hey: o3 full (3 strawberries) o4-mini (4 small strawberries)

hey1_1hey: I will now take my 100k job as a detective thank you very much

futurist_wizard: Entering my grinch era

metaldragon01: Called it

futurist_wizard: I do not care about thr upcumming releases

a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/thexeophon/status/1912523048411951223?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg

zoermena: If true the magnitude of improvement could’ve slowed down? I would argue that due to its rushed dev it wasn’t as big of a jump

thedon7075: ai explained in his newest video claims he has tested o3 briefly

.wolfnacht: fake, it's not exponential

thedon7075: slight diminishing returns

thedon7075: with the upcoming models it will be begin to flatten more, probably around o6

.wolfnacht: anyways i'm gonna sleep....either i'm gonna be waking up disappointed or in AGI timeline.

steven_the_frog: Why should I bother doing a tricky deep refactor now when I could wait 3 hours and do it with o3.

This is not good for my productivity

_cloudost: o4 could be AGI?

_cloudost:

a1c4p0ne: Yes

_cloudost: That means OpenAI has already internal AGI

_cloudost: No wonder they're always leading but releasing a degraded version of their models so it doesn't cause social chaos

gamerbath: so are they releasing the old o3 which they announced earlier or are they releasing an updated version? with 4o we got an updated version

abundantliving_:

gamerbath: hell yeah

abundantliving_: o4 mini is coming

literallyvarane: Not sure this is a good poll? Even GPT3.5 wasn’t  a narrow AI, so *most any model so far* is a protoAGI since it’s clearly not AGI.

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/hyper-cucumberrr-dancing-cucumber-gif-23898576

hey1_1hey: I am exceptionally hyped for this live stream

_cloudost: GPT 3.5 had to be trained by humans, and human data, are we sure it's not narrow AI

hey1_1hey: Thats a lotta fucking people

hey1_1hey: No twink tho

mtj8920: I mean it does seem we getting o4-mini as well, but the fact that they're just vaguely mentioning, does mean that it is likely to be definitively beaten by o3, while 2.5-pro might cost approximately the same, when accounting for the likely longer thinking time of o4-mini.

But true would be cool to see how much they improved it. I still think it's gonna better for many of the more technical things, it is just gonna be really slow and expensive, and 2.5-pro will likely win in user-preference at least in LMArena, but o3 will still be better for many of the tasks. The thing is just that it will not have nearly as good contextual understanding of 2.5-pro and horrible visual-understanding, so I mean will it even make sense using for fx. coding at that? I also feel like 2.5-pro will be more resistant to bad prompting and just more controllable, but idk.

hey1_1hey: "models" plural. Its defo both of them

mtj8920: We will see

zoermena: Panic

hey1_1hey: I still have high hopes


hikukomoru: I watch anime every day

.histic: 2028

wellmeaningalien: debatable whether they will release it, unless a competitor comes out with something like this

wellmeaningalien: can tell

futurist_wizard: I have only watched one anime in my entire life and it was okay

hikukomoru: Is that a good thing

zoermena: Likewise

trent_k: It'll be cool once they get the price down

futurist_wizard: What was it

zoermena: One punch man

futurist_wizard: Mine was hellsing

.histic: what do you watch?

futurist_wizard: Some vampire shit

wellmeaningalien: hellsing as your only anime...

wellmeaningalien: 2001 or 2009 something?

futurist_wizard: Think it was an updated version

wellmeaningalien: yeah then ultimate

hikukomoru: Mostly Slice-of-Life and cgdct (Cute Girls Doing Cute Things)
But seinen sometimes
I'm currently watching Psycho-Pass and Monster

wellmeaningalien: monster is goated

wellmeaningalien: need to read 20th century boys

futurist_wizard: I hate anime stereotypes

futurist_wizard: Like how all the boys are dweeby little neeks

.histic: https://tenor.com/view/gendo-stare-neon-genesis-evangelion-gendo-gif-9367805630101002790

wellmeaningalien: thats mostly because japanese men are dweeby little neeks

hikukomoru: Like the vast majority of the men here

futurist_wizard: And all the girls like take up some masculine parental role or something idek whats going on

wellmeaningalien: you sound like someone who does not watch anime

hikukomoru: No
All the girls are there jsut for eye candy

wellmeaningalien:

wellmeaningalien: yup

hikukomoru: What anime is this

futurist_wizard: I do not and shall never

wellmeaningalien:

.histic: i believe the main reason i don't enjoy watching anime is that the plot or characters can end up ruining it for me.
i'm quite picky. the creators love doing some weird shit or not living to expectations..

wellmeaningalien: some animes are pretty great. a lot of them are retarded like you say but there are some that are quite worth watching

hikukomoru: When the most peak anime you've ever watched gets ruined by some harem or loli fanservice bullshit 💔 🥀

wellmeaningalien: meh usually those sort of animes are mid

futurist_wizard: Name the anime where the weakest lankiest boy whos shy gets unlimited pussy without naming every single anime

futurist_wizard: Challenge impossible

wellmeaningalien: spongebob


a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

okbut: What happened? I thought it's still the best Deep Research

a1c4p0ne: It’s actually trash

a1c4p0ne: Someone on their server said recently it only gave 20 sources

okbut: Really? What are the betters? My PI still preferring it as of a few days ago

.histic:

.histic: 1 man 1 jar

drewsni: NO

drewsni: oai

okbut: Interesting, sad to see that it's today years old and can't figure out citations though

a1c4p0ne: <@161616827703754753> try groks “deeper search”

a1c4p0ne: It’s on the web only tho

okbut: Yeah I've tried a few of them because my PI was curious for the best

okbut: This is about a week old

okbut: (Augment = the results with a prompt augmented with the questions that ChatGPT asks before running its search)

a1c4p0ne: More sources the better

otub:

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: 😭

okbut: Grok didn't actually "Cite" that number in text, but it stated in its search workflow a number of sources and then prefaces its response with a number of sources used

.histic: people love pandering to the majority.

.histic: if it gets them internet points

okbut: No he's scared too as a musician

st.sioux: ai music still sucks a bit

st.sioux: plus isnt he like rich already

st.sioux: lol

.histic:

okbut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJcnrcnQjNY

.histic: there's lots of people that are rich af yet still want internet points.
*cough* elon

okbut: >Britney Spears used to have a Gulf Stream 4. Now she has to downgrade because of people like you

.histic: dumb af
https://x.com/ArchieMcW/status/1905893572093579598

mihrcelium: But only a bit. What Suno is capable of right now is... phenomenal.

mihrcelium: Most of Suno's problems aren't even Suno's problems but user/skill issues. The audio quality needs a few bumps, but gosh they've come far.

spicy.lemonade:

mihrcelium:

.histic: honestly, it being a kid makes sense.

st.sioux: aren't datacenters like some of the most secure places on earth

okbut: Is this a breaking bad reference

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-laptop-magnet-yeah-walter-white-gif-8541127463622598697

.histic: twitter and redditors won't do shit anyways.
i've seen luddites advocating violence or destruction against AI data centers and people for a long while with tens to hundreds of thousands of engagements, yet they never follow through in the real world.
this generation is soft. we won't get another ted anytime soon.


sieventer: Oh welp, good to know that :|

st.sioux: elon musk sued advertisers for not advertising on x

zoermena: Yes

drewsni: Ya, not happy with the amount of hallucinations so I couldn’t squeeze out the real real end goal but it worked much better than I thought it would

gamerbath: i'm only 80% sure this isn't real

777agical: he sued Global Alliance for Responsible Media, wonder what the status is for that

sieventer: The amount of ads of fake Elon coins that are in Twitter it's crazy, at least with my geolocation, maybe in the USA is not that bad

sieventer: I'm having them everyday, they're obviously scam

sieventer: I don't understand why they can't filter their ads, is that difficult?

st.sioux: they don't care

drewsni: Tbh I’d rather have fake Elon coin ads than the dumbass ai newsletter ads I get

sieventer: Yeah, maybe as long they earn money...

sieventer:

sieventer: Sometimes there are good ads tho :·)

_3sphere: How much context does free AI studio have

_3sphere: still 2M?

sieventer: Depends of the model

sieventer: 2.5 Pro has 1M and 65k tokens output (crazy)

drewsni: Btw is AI studio actually free? Or just the 25 messages a day?

sieventer: The tier is free by default, with pretty good limits ·~·

sieventer:

sieventer: [2.5 Pro]

sieventer: I use it everyday and I never get the rate limit of 2.5 Pro tbh

himekokatagiri: goddamn they still didn't open Veo 2 up

st.sioux: i hit it everyday :/ it's getting expensive

777agical: does that model lead with the most output tokens?

sieventer: Really? I don't understand, I yapp a lot with it but... I don't reach the limit.

sieventer: I assume so, the settings of 2.5 Pro is by default 65k output lenght tokens

sieventer: If I choose 2.0 Flash it says 8k output

drewsni: So it is paid after the 25 uses on Ai studio?

st.sioux: i have no clue really, there is also no way to tell because cloud console doesn't tell you

drewsni: O1 is 100k

st.sioux: it only shows billing and after 1 day

st.sioux: but i also have other apis running

st.sioux: and no way of knowing which is which

sieventer:

sieventer: Well, that's for Flash

drewsni: Yeah it’s really fucking annoying lol I use like $2-3 a day in api but I don’t know how much of that is from just ai studio usage or my normal flash scrips

sieventer: https://aistudio.google.com/app/plan_information -> you can check here for other models

(it doesn't appear 2.5 Pro, wtf)

abundantliving_: https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/1912172587452350708


aero447:

aero447:

aero447: Etc.

aero447: Trump is trying to save coal from the free market lol.

aero447:

aero447: China mostly lead though.

aero447:

destrucules: Joke

destrucules: It was a joke

spacetimetsunami: I was unable to tell, I dont see you being satirical too often

spacetimetsunami: at least not lately

.wolfnacht: Okay that wasn't a dark humor. He's real

.wolfnacht: https://www.reddit.com/r/aiArt/s/0gu1I3udqr

brain4brain: We must save all of the evidence so they can all be publicly shame after the post-singularity society

.wolfnacht: Exactly

_cloudost: Mass report to reddit via emIl

_cloudost: Email

_cloudost: I just reported him

_cloudost: The more people report the better

_cloudost: You can save lives by reporting this

_letterbox: https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/27/tech/apple-ai-artificial-intelligence/index.html

_letterbox: Lol

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: Apple cope

spicy.lemonade: We will have agi and apple will make their first llm

_cloudost: Apple intelligence subscription will be unnecessarily expensive

_cloudost: 1 token will cost $1

.wolfnacht: Done, but also, i'm gonna set the reminder for september 2025 to see, if actually does something or he's just another neckbeard foomer. probably the latter.

.wolfnacht: literally the O1 pro, cost

brain4brain: I’ve never seen a news article more retarded and a report more bias

_cloudost: Last year there were two Reddit activists who burned themselves alive for virtue signals and their beliefs, they had a mentally ill reddit history too but this guy has a reddit history that's much worse than their

maintcrew: claude i wasnt familiar with your negotiations game

spicy.lemonade: I took a shirtless pic of me in the mirror.

spicy.lemonade: I stopped overeating 😭 🙏

spicy.lemonade: My metabolism goes crazy

spicy.lemonade:

_letterbox: https://youtu.be/hz6oys4Eem4?si=8N1rOdwMKV8ZAcKT

anathemaofmankind: I called it

anathemaofmankind:

anathemaofmankind: You're actually black?


hey1_1hey: The acceleartion recently has been crazy, 3 new OAI models, gemini 2.5, RSI glimsies

hey1_1hey: O3 full and o4 mini coming out this week

metaldragon01: The chip improvement should have really caught your eye

metaldragon01: But yes things are really rolling now

hey1_1hey: Really should of. I usually tend to downplay new hardware in my head because I mostly thinks its just algorithms but hardware (TPUs and GPUs) obv play a role in AI

hey1_1hey: If you think this is crazy wait until this next year

zonchao: 2026??? imagine 2027

zonchao: <:shockedd:1080470202564739092>

hey1_1hey: 2027? Wait until 2028

hey1_1hey: I wonder what I will be doing when I am 20 (2 years from now~)

st.sioux: we're hitting the physical limits of gpu design so future bottlenecks may start coming from software rather than hardware very soon

st.sioux: or at least performance increases will slow down drastically with each new generation

st.sioux: which is what we saw with 4000 series -> 5000 series

hey1_1hey: I mean physical limits? Physicial limits to what? The GPU size, the way we make them, the transistor size? I remmeber reading a story about an AI that desgined a new chip for itself that was so crazy and nonsensical that no human would've thought about it because it goes against all desgine principlies but it was on par or even better than some human made chip desgines.

I'd have to double check the validity to that though

st.sioux: transistors cant get much smaller without running into quantum tunneling

hey1_1hey: We gotta get AI to solve physics then <:Ted:1136265390549381253>

st.sioux: yessir

hikukomoru: I'll be gooning like always either way

hikukomoru: Nothing changes

_3sphere: Komoru goon cave exceeding the age of the Lascaux cave paintings after life extension

hey1_1hey: I am getting awareness edged by chatgpt bruh

hey1_1hey: So you can go to any planet in the universe and you'd rather sit in your goon cave... I gotta start believing miracles for your sake

hikukomoru: Exploring the galaxy is temporary, gooning is forever

hey1_1hey: Tell that to your doamine receptors

futurist_wizard: Probably not much different

_3sphere: Komoru your gooning is wasting energy and water, god-ASI recommends you switch to a pleasure cube

hey1_1hey: Are we on are nothing ever happnes arc cock fool?

hey1_1hey: Honestly sounds prefrebly

futurist_wizard: Bruv what you think you gon be doing differently in 2 years?

futurist_wizard: You gone be right here boy

futurist_wizard: In this discord

futurist_wizard: In 2 years!

_3sphere: Nah some stupid drama will probably make the server irrelevant

futurist_wizard: Facts

_3sphere: the singularity server cluster will survive though

hey1_1hey: I mean my course ends in around a month and a bit so I'll prob then get a job, solve quantam physics on the weekend, unify phyiscs for funsies and then make fun of doomers if I have time

hey1_1hey: What kind of drama would make the server dead?

hey1_1hey: AI hit a wall or smth?

_3sphere: I wasn't around for it, but wasn't there like some fight over server ownership

_3sphere: And someone making what is now the Siev server


hey1_1hey: Hope so 🤞

hey1_1hey: Whats the gender?

futurist_wizard: So you be stalking them

.wolfnacht: dat was back in 2022 😔

hey1_1hey: Did they die or smth

hikukomoru: What's their/it/he/her pronourns

hey1_1hey: You did the same thing to me bro 😭

hey1_1hey: I am NOTHING like that

.wolfnacht: maybe gorl.........AHH IDK

fractalcomputer: Why are you discussing such topics in <#1136230110891081821> ?

hey1_1hey: We keep criss corssing between unrelated things and singularity it seems

otub:

hey1_1hey: This guy and Elon would be really good parents 😊

zonchao: truly

hikukomoru: <@749514473303179358> Can u be the godfather to Zon and Elon's baby 🙏

fractalcomputer: You grace us with your presence.

.wolfnacht: yea, i mean back to ~~neonazi bashing~~ i mean Digi artists bashing

fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/godfather-cat-petting-pet-gif-22666459

fractalcomputer: On another note, Dvorák is quite good as a composer.

zonchao: Why are you discussing such topics in <#1136230110891081821> ?

hey1_1hey: This would be a really good Femtanyl plug. Everyone has to listen to them atleast once

hey1_1hey: Mods ban this guy

zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

hikukomoru: Yeah this is mainly your fault

fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/godfather-michael-corleone-al-pacino-suspicious-sus-gif-21778503

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/funny-team-hahaha-gif-18072160

zonchao: he is kinda hot

hey1_1hey: WEE WOO WEE WOO

hey1_1hey: So we gonna talk about that or?

hikukomoru: You keep derailing high IQ singularity conversations with your trans and gay sex nonsense

hey1_1hey: Is that just a normal thing

hey1_1hey: Did zon come out while I was away

hikukomoru: Bro he posted a screenshot showing grindr on his phone
This is just normal Zon stuff

zonchao: it is normal for men to admire other men 🥺

hey1_1hey: You have been indoctronating me into your trans gay homosexual ideology

futurist_wizard: I was shocked when zon came out as asian

.wolfnacht: took me 6-7 minutes to dig my hardrive

hey1_1hey: That was a joke aperntly///

zonchao: <:LookUp:1151260447283097681>

hikukomoru: <@439829942310666250>


fuhulootogan:

alejandrozarzuelo: and AIs create new ideas not present in what they gather from their senses

alejandrozarzuelo: yeah?

alejandrozarzuelo: AI has that

fuhulootogan: what is the sense of an AI?

fuhulootogan: how?

frittata: Text

fuhulootogan: how does AI even have stimulus

fuhulootogan: that

fuhulootogan: by definition

fuhulootogan: does not apply

frittata: Also, some degree of vision (it just doesn’t work like ours)

alejandrozarzuelo: wtf?

alejandrozarzuelo: recieving an image is a stimulus an AI can have

fuhulootogan:

alejandrozarzuelo: this applies to an AI

fuhulootogan: how

frittata: Nah you’re limiting senses too much to direct physical experience. But *everything* is indirect - you literally don’t see objects directly, your retinas encode the input received by the rods and cones of your eye into an electrical signal, which is sent to the relevant region of the brain, which re-encodes it in the back end based on deep data training in this exact modality

alejandrozarzuelo: they have organs that are changed by the response to an event

alejandrozarzuelo: they are not biological organs

alejandrozarzuelo: but they are organs

fuhulootogan: define organs

frittata: One might argue this is similar to how text, audio, and visual digital representations convey the physical reality to an LMM which then interprets the representation to get a sense of the original <:smirk:1303825263208955904>

ailoveyoom: Just say colors are fake 😈

alejandrozarzuelo: <@723564215574462474> idk if you realize this but this conversation has been

Art requires creativity

AI has creativity

this is the definition of creativity, it requires senses

AI has senses

this is the definition of senses, it requires organs

AI has organs

this is the definition of organs

etc etc

unless you anchor any of these definitions to EXCLUSIVELY mean biological systems, AI fits in all of them

alejandrozarzuelo: sorry wrong ping

alejandrozarzuelo: <@1212375743863066645>

archon.e: Human made art will still have value

st.sioux: pulling up the dictionary like that is wild

st.sioux: define wild

alejandrozarzuelo: unless you require biology in your definition, we could continue to go down this rabbithole

archon.e: Can human made art have some fingerprint that ai can’t reproduce?

retrerox: AI just do what you ask him to do

archon.e: Else artists are cooked

retrerox: Is not really creativity

ailoveyoom: Define define

retrerox: Bad artist are cooked*

alejandrozarzuelo: him?

retrerox: Sorry

retrerox: They


fractalcomputer: I just generally disagree with how people receive these news.

futurist_wizard: Will be on par with Gemini 2.5

callmepyro: What are your thoughts on this news?

spicy.lemonade: this guy is always hating

gamerbath: a million tokens is most definetly not nothing, it's quite a lot

anathemaofmankind: That actually sucks if it was only equivalent

spicy.lemonade: we are just having fun

literallyvarane: They said plz help train your replacement lolol

gamerbath: pricing

fractalcomputer: I have no thoughts. My attention is primarily focused on a book about algebraic geometry.

hey1_1hey: Beat me too it again

futurist_wizard: Yeah

harryisgamer: cheaper than 4o!

callmepyro: Got it - so you just generally disagree? Very contrarian! I like it 🙂

theaiguy69420_89814: very good

precariousworlds.:

fractalcomputer: Yes, I get paid for being a contrarian by numerous American intelligence agencies.

gamerbath: so why is it better, faster, and cheaper than 4o but they won't release it to chatgpt?

hey1_1hey: Uh oh fun police

fractalcomputer: And why do you think this is my reaction?

futurist_wizard: Hype, dead. AGI, over. Schizophrenia, increased.

hey1_1hey: BRUH

gamerbath: LOL

hey1_1hey: 4.5 deprecated in the next months

hikukomoru: HAHAHAHAA

precariousworlds.: shits and giggles

hey1_1hey: THATS SAD

hikukomoru: Embarassing

st.sioux: lmao

literallyvarane: Lololol they said 4.5 ain’t going to live

callmepyro: Very cool! I imagine that those agencies mostly pay you for your in-depth analysis, vs just a personality hire 🙂 That's why I'd love to hear your thoughts!

hey1_1hey: I'D BE CRYING IF I WORKED ON THAT MODEL

literallyvarane: FUN POLICE

hey1_1hey: One more supprise

gamerbath: 4.5 hasn't even been out for a month and it's already being depreceated 💀

spicy.lemonade: windsurf

hey1_1hey: Heya mr man

fractalcomputer: Right. I hope you like schemes.

hey1_1hey: Oh boring

hey1_1hey: Just a fake interfview


realelonmuskx: i have a very smooth sexy brain who wanna repopulate

technocake.: though the definition of kill gets pretty smeared in this universe

technocake.: hard agree, it's the killing of the spare that gives me pause

fractalcomputer: One should be able to distinguish between ethical and metaphysical issues.

okbut:

okbut: Amazing

technocake.: in the case that the equivalence is proven between the original and the upload, this is not a problem - there would be some time and plenty of space for atrocity to prove this

fractalcomputer: To quote a racist troll on Twitter, "[i]n logic, there are no morals."

fractalcomputer: And apparently Carnap as well. Hah.

technocake.: I have done this

realelonmuskx: he moved to argentina 3 months

technocake.: metaphysics is systematized bullshit

fractalcomputer: Many things are systematised bullshit, I would argue.

professorheaven: Do you believe it’s better to presume something can feel pain and then evidence shows that it cannot, or presume something cannot feel pain and then evidence shows that it can?

fractalcomputer: What makes modern physics any more truthful than the beliefs of Plato?

fractalcomputer: Is it because mathematical descriptions of so-called reality can in some sense work or predict its future states of affairs?

technocake.: Evidence of the accuracy of its models

fractalcomputer: But what does that really mean?

fractalcomputer: Suppose I say that the sky is blue; hooray, have I told you the truth? Accuracy is not by itself a fixed metric; for if we could say how accurate a description of reality is in comparison with reality, we would already know reality.

technocake.: you would have to define your terms, physics does this to a somewhat rigorous extent

fractalcomputer: But it certainly does not.

fractalcomputer: Mathematics is the only rigorous science out there; and it does not talk about reality.

technocake.: But it does to the extent that models in the mind of the modeller flow from at least internally well defined terms

technocake.: language is the faliure point

fractalcomputer: The problem with the use of mathematics in physics is precisely the fact that physics does not seem to be about mathematics.

technocake.: physics isn't about mathematics, it is about models

fractalcomputer: We may wax on about models and mathematical descriptions of physical reality and so on, but all that is saying is that we have managed to fit the curve for the time being, so to say.

fractalcomputer: Until another revolution comes along and shows that our understanding of physical reality was merely a specialised case of a wider theory.

fractalcomputer: And what are models then, you reckon?

technocake.: anyone who argues to the contary hasn't understood the basis of their thought

fractalcomputer: Then you can surely cognise that physics isn't even remotely about reality.

fractalcomputer: Anyway, that's all for today.

technocake.: It is about doing the best we can to systematize and make predictions about reality - I would say this is my definition of a model

fractalcomputer: That is not much.

technocake.: Nope, but can you do better?

fractalcomputer: I don't try. Nor do I think it particularly meaningful to do so.

technocake.: Meaning is always self defined, many do find this meaningful, and it is at least useful

fractalcomputer: Usefulness is always self-defined as well.

fractalcomputer: It seems we have come to an impasse.

technocake.: to which I mean that the vector of predictions of physical models, when used as an input to the vector of "meaning cost functions" minimizes the sum of the latter when the difference between the output of the models and ground truth are minimised


sweetievee__33649: i wouldnt want to go into business where i have to file 1000 forms to do an experiment

hikukomoru: Wdym he's got Elon on speed dial

zonchao: yes

wellmeaningalien: hes also got him on peen dial

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/elon-musk-elon-musk-elonmusk-fun-elon-gif-221168847442836365

sweetievee__33649: the special K is taking its toll 🥀

fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/the-office-kill-joy-meanie-thief-of-joy-gif-17139895

zonchao: so based

fractalcomputer: Very well then, a fun exercise for the chat: show that if (xy) divides (x^2 + y^2 + 1) then (x^2 + y^2 + 1)/(xy) = 3 when x, y are positive integers.

zonchao: 5

wellmeaningalien: 100000

sweetievee__33649: didnt know i entered the math channel

_3sphere: I'd try some shit with prime factors idfk

sweetievee__33649: im dumb asf so ill just say 5 aswell 👍

fractalcomputer: Wrong approach.

_3sphere: hm

darkstar0818: Ai says: Therefore, if x, y are positive integers such that xy divides x^2 + y^2 + 1, then the value of the quotient (x^2 + y^2 + 1) / (xy) must be 3.

_3sphere: erm,,

_3sphere: The "solution" is a whole reasoning chain, not a single result

fractalcomputer: Hint: remember distributivity.

zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/iamneubert/status/1906719031018582048? big

ailoveyoom: Is it good?

ailoveyoom: Better than Veo?

spicy.lemonade: it looks better than veo in some

spicy.lemonade: the fact it is

sweetievee__33649: its been a good for ai recently hasnt it

spicy.lemonade: means we are close to next frontier

spicy.lemonade: when other small labs like runway start saturating the space

sweetievee__33649: is that true or just vibes

spicy.lemonade: usually the case isnt it

spicy.lemonade: when dalle 2 dropped

spicy.lemonade: other labs sgtarted to make that better

spicy.lemonade: then 3

spicy.lemonade: then midjourney idiogram

spicy.lemonade: etc

spicy.lemonade: then 4o image came out

sweetievee__33649: hey you got a good point

spicy.lemonade: same with sora

spicy.lemonade: and runway and others

sweetievee__33649: ive only been into ai recently so i probably havent seen that trend


alejandrozarzuelo: The differences are important, even if small

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/super-buu-dragon-ball-majin-buu-dragonball-dbz-gif-9025226788066338823

st.sioux: 😡

hikukomoru: Is this fuschia

technocake.: read the number

alejandrozarzuelo: The name you use doeanr matter as much as the meaning behind it

At least you need to get to tertiary level

alejandrozarzuelo: AT LEAST

alejandrozarzuelo: Like, imagine if I ask you for something green and you give me something jade

Wtf dude

alejandrozarzuelo: I can excuse quaternary

st.sioux: youre trolling

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldopsgalnassr-gif-27425976

hikukomoru: I don't see anything

hikukomoru: It's just abunch of balls

alejandrozarzuelo: I am dead serious, I will not understand you if you call the sky blue and i refuse to acknowledge anyone who calls a jade thing green

hikukomoru: Rondo

hikukomoru: Roneldo

alejandrozarzuelo: Quaternary, as I said, I can excuse it, unless you want to specify, it's often not that relevant

zoermena: That’s subjective it’s not like we are designing any promotional content aligned to a brands identity

zoermena: Unless we are under investigation 👀

technocake.: if you aren't trolling you are red green colorblind, and have XY chromosones

alejandrozarzuelo: Tertiary colors are orange and purple

That's the minimum granularity we need

wellmeaningalien: oh dman

alejandrozarzuelo: For some reason, orange and purple are commonly used but rose and jade and azure aren't

a1c4p0ne: Do the Siu now

st.sioux: because not everyone is autistic

alejandrozarzuelo: Well, I REFUSE to stand by this chromatic crime

alejandrozarzuelo: We need to treat all colors fairly

hikukomoru: Is that the down syndrome chromosome

technocake.: no just male at birth

alejandrozarzuelo: Don't be chromatophobic

wellmeaningalien: corrected! still dark pink

alejandrozarzuelo: Also I am not autistic

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/cristiano-ronaldo-ronaldo-ronaldo-siuuu-ronaldo-the-goat-sewy-gif-17616218981871012597

hikukomoru: Rondoldo

a1c4p0ne: Let’s goooo

zoermena: I might make an overreach here but maybe the latter colors where harder to make in the past making everyone accustomed to purple orange etc. idk

a1c4p0ne: <:based:1136264604788473946>

alejandrozarzuelo: True

alejandrozarzuelo: That's the reason why we don't use those words commonly

alejandrozarzuelo: But that's no excuse for TODAY


.wolfnacht: having nervous damage is required.....

zonchao: yea

zoermena: Last 2 way to many people could fit

zoermena: No way, if real this + cursor = 🙏🏼

technocake.: I can check this box, what prize do i win

zoermena: Elon in your head

technocake.: do i have to be american?

technocake.: oh shit i'm gonna apply

.histic: wild that they've that much money invested into them..
most of the valuation is the popularity, not necessarily the products, research, or profitability. 🤔

.histic: maybe popularity + vision.
they got whales to invest into them.

zonchao: outdated

zonchao: spacex is at 350B

.histic: oh wow

zonchao: yea, they updated xai's valuation but forgot spacex <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

alejandrozarzuelo: Dude, of course

alejandrozarzuelo: That's so basic

fractalcomputer: It's an amicable question. Not a challenge.

alejandrozarzuelo: Ah ok

alejandrozarzuelo: It's still trivial tho

fractalcomputer: Should one ever try to prove something that is less than obvious?

alejandrozarzuelo: I mean, sure, as an exercise it's ok

fractalcomputer: Yes, I don't think anyone here would be posing research questions in chat, hm?

.wolfnacht: elon would make u do his emotes

.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/elonmusk-elon-musk-tesla-elon-dance-gif-5137077446926799942

technocake.: i wonder it it takes a screenshot if you hit the sieg heil

.wolfnacht: brainshot*

alejandrozarzuelo: true, but it is weird to ask about such easy questions when it doesnt really concern the channel

like, why did you ask this? what was the point? in what shape or form was it related to the lively conversation that was taking place?

alejandrozarzuelo: btw, i love this answer

alejandrozarzuelo: its not rigurous

alejandrozarzuelo: but it is very visual

fractalcomputer: But it is wrong. The group structure of the n-th roots of unity has (almost) nothing to do with the actual sum of those roots.

.wolfnacht: Artists + front end dev + UI/UX designers are on suicide watch 🪢

okbut: 0 front end dev and I made this bitch in a few weeks

okbut: tailsadoption.org

st.sioux: weeks??? (its too much)

.wolfnacht: >tailsadoption

are u running a cat and dog adoption thing ?

fractalcomputer: The group of rotations of the polygon generated by the n-th rooths of unity on the complex plane is trivially isomorphic to the structure of the cyclic group C_n.

okbut: Nonprofit yeah

fractalcomputer: Actually, I rescind my statement.

alejandrozarzuelo: actually it does, since it eliminates 3/4ths of the cases

leaving you only with 1/4th of the cases to deal with

if you argue it well, of course

why?

well, it is known that every regular polygon, when resting at its base or vertex is symmetric by the y axis

this instantly proves that every element either has a complex component of zero OR that it has its own conjugate as one of the roots, eliminating entirely the proof for the valye of the average complex value

moreover, this is also proof that you can perform the same trick for the real axis as long as n is even


metaldragon01: No I wouldn't consider those marketing

st.sioux: and do you think there's no space for more automation in social media management at least?

st.sioux: or is that not marketing

st.sioux: idk

metaldragon01: Always more room for automation

rayanquitplayin: They taught me that in college, my professor said it’s a big thing people learn in marketing

metaldragon01: What matters is not blowing through budget without results

rayanquitplayin: What’s media buying?

metaldragon01: Most products as long as it's not crazy unique the algo will optimize given enough time, money and creatives to work through

rayanquitplayin: Do you think consistency is important in mkting?

metaldragon01: Um....depends?

metaldragon01: Lots of different types of marketing

Email marketing yes.

Banner ads no. You want unique creatives often

rayanquitplayin: How important is the unique creative?

metaldragon01: Very...

metaldragon01: People will just get ad blind over time if it never changes

rayanquitplayin: I see

metaldragon01: The best ads ever eventually get stale but also you could have a Rockstar ad you never tested

metaldragon01: Some ads I thought would be terrible ended up being amazing

rayanquitplayin: Are there any YouTubers that are really good at ads?

rayanquitplayin: Like MrBeast?

metaldragon01: ???

rayanquitplayin: In your opinion

metaldragon01: I don't follow the space on YouTube

metaldragon01: Every successful YouTuber has a solid marketing strat

rayanquitplayin: YouTube’s really hard to make it in

metaldragon01: Nothing is hard after you understand how the algorithms work

spicy.lemonade: surely she'll rspond back right

spicy.lemonade: 4.5 failed me

spicy.lemonade: 3 days

spicy.lemonade: if she doesnt respond

spacetimetsunami: https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/1908409328568021122?s=46&t=TgS9kjumgIA0UCb4wN2WXw

I will be riding on steel-horseback post singularity 😎

spicy.lemonade: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

spicy.lemonade: noooo

spicy.lemonade: i genuinely do

spicy.lemonade: 💀

spicy.lemonade: ive gone on various dates and what not shes the only one who made me feel anything lol

nondescriptfaith: Actually need to add value. So many copycat YouTubers with pro thumbnails / editing / sound / titles; but they are just lifeless boring idiots spamming the same milquetoast opinions as the next guy

nondescriptfaith: You can be successful just being interesting alone

spicy.lemonade: like i genuinely dont care about ok ik it sound bad but i lowkey didnt care about the other situationships

spicy.lemonade: i was just on autopilot fr


_3sphere: yes

spicy.lemonade: Can't decide

futurist_wizard: We don't care about digital art

alejandrozarzuelo: I know this is not a good representative sample, but in my university there are a lot of posters about everything

courses in japanese, learning vegan indigenous cuisine, internships in quantum computing....

and about 5-10% of them are already AI images, and the crappy ones from 1 year ago

i expect this number o jump with the new im gen

_3sphere: You can have a new one every other day :3

spicy.lemonade: Nah

_3sphere: Keeping it constant is fun though, I'm upside down Niko to everyone now

futurist_wizard: Most people look in awe of real paintings as we reflect back on the human labour in order to make it, for movies we dont care as much we just want to see the movie

alejandrozarzuelo: the vast majority of art is done for commercial purposes

futurist_wizard: Yes

hikukomoru: My pfp changes every day
Just like my mood

brain4brain: >Human works hard labor
>It sucks
>They automate it
>Human rest
>Its boring
>Human starts to works hard labor again
>It sucks
>Repeat?/ Drugs?

alejandrozarzuelo: the argument that "this will be like chess people will still want human-made art" is a valid argument

for the tiny minority of art that is not directly commercial

brain4brain: I’m scared for how society will turn out

brain4brain: If we find this boring

brain4brain: Hopefully we will make drugs

futurist_wizard: Thats the art im talking about, devoid of commercial purposes

brain4brain: To combat this

_3sphere: We can survive on stupid internet drama and video games and hiking for a while :3

alejandrozarzuelo: we will join the hivemind

brain4brain: I won’t

alejandrozarzuelo: cringe

futurist_wizard: Being mind uploaded eventually is just unavoidable

_3sphere: Sure but please don't compress me beyond recognition

hikukomoru: Sharing a hivemind with you?
No thanks

futurist_wizard: Like staying as a human you'd be wasting so much of the resources

alejandrozarzuelo: fun fact you already are

its called society

brain4brain: No

futurist_wizard: If you could condense your consciousness into a computer you'd have whatever you want and you'd use magnitudes less energy

futurist_wizard: Yes

_3sphere: The tiny minority that is the most valuable in the "human fulfillment" sense

brain4brain: The flesh shall be a relic preserved

_3sphere: Current neural net computers use absurd amounts of energy

_3sphere: Would need a new substrate

hikukomoru: I don't participate in society

brain4brain: Something I’m even more worried about: ship of Theseus and what’s “real”

Wow, philosopher might be the best job for the next thousands years

_3sphere: The flesh will be modeled with the best jiggle physics ASI can engineer

brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/touch-grass-touch-grass-gif-21734295

jonvi_1: The spice must flow

alejandrozarzuelo: sure, but the hate artists have is because they will be unemployed, which they will since again 99+% of art is commercial

we donr really realize but everything that isnt natural was designed by someone, the artistic industry is HUUUUGE with a tiiiiiiiny minority of "celebrity art"


hey1_1hey: Bargin

literallyvarane: This doesn’t do it for me imo. For me at least, getting the model to identify and ask the right questions is critical for being level 4

literallyvarane: There’s some level of leading the horse to water there.

3ds0662: the 200$ one doesn't even pay itself off how tf am i supposed to pay 2k??

3ds0662: operator shit, sora shit,  wtf yeah

3ds0662: only good thing about it is o1 pro lol

3ds0662: where do brokies get 2k?

st.sioux: if it can do apps or webapps you could probably just use it to shit out apps to the app store or android store and see what sticks

.histic: $20,000 i mean

st.sioux: or maybe a saas a day or whatever

literallyvarane: Wait can 2.5 no longer access YouTube in app?

3ds0662: fuck

3ds0662: 20k

3ds0662: wtf

literallyvarane: Or in the studio?

.histic: yeah

literallyvarane:

hey1_1hey: Any sugar daddies in here willing to splash 20k for yours turly

3ds0662: at that point its completely pay to win which is the worst

literallyvarane:

3ds0662: the rich always win

3ds0662: smh

hey1_1hey: Its for orgs, I mean I dont know why a random person would need to invent some new shit

3ds0662: LOL

.histic: not even small business can afford that shit, only the elites or big businesses can <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

3ds0662: thats how you become rich or solve your own problems

st.sioux: you could invest the $20k and start like 500 different businesses ina  month

_3sphere: This could be seen from a lightyear away

3ds0662: shit soo many usecases lol

hey1_1hey: Infinite money glitch

_3sphere: that AI turns capital into any labor

hey1_1hey: One of them is an AI company to compete with AI and the level 4 Innovator is the CEO

3ds0662: you can afford it if you treat it like a car and take out a loan

3ds0662: 1% chance it pays itself off

3ds0662: lol

st.sioux: 1% chance is quite low

literallyvarane: I guess I’m much more interested in a model where you just give it every academic paper published in 2025, and it, by itself, identifies clearly novel paths of inquiry to pursue and work on.

3ds0662: you'll have used up all the capital on the subscription for one time use

st.sioux: with current models i would say it pays for itself at least in the API, i budget like $10 everyday and save like 4-5 hours which is nothing

literallyvarane: It needs to be able to identify which questions are worth asking.


retrerox: Aaah the benefits of being young

retrerox: Not care about sleeping schedule

zoermena: It matters, it’s kicking my butt rn

zoermena: I essentially have to be productive 13 hours a day every week it’s exhausting

retrerox: i'm glad i work from home i can be productive while doing nothing

retrerox: I kinda wanna make an app

retrerox: or a website

retrerox: idk what to do 🧐

retrerox: Should i ask AI to make an AI for me?

zoermena: Yes

retrerox: <:pepethink:1136282436242788482>

zoermena: The best thing you can do in the face of indecisiveness is just starting, don’t get stuck on decision paralysis

retrerox: id like to make somthing like uber

retrerox: but for what kind of service to offer?

retrerox: How profitable could it be to offer uber washing machines like you rent your own washing machines by uber like app?

retrerox: and on top of that they can do the laundry for u if u dont feel like it

retrerox: Apparently alredy exist

zoermena: I’d discuss it with GPT but since you want to code I’d suggest you to start by building the infrastructure and moving on from there

himekokatagiri: https://youtu.be/n0at25O2zK4

himekokatagiri: <:the_horror:1136585527173337118>

ldj: Looks like o4-mini is likely releasing today.
O4-mini just appeared in chatgpt code this morning, and sama is tweeting about how he is excited about today

himekokatagiri: will it have an image model

himekokatagiri: new & improved

ldj: Prob not since o3-mini doesn’t

zoermena: <:idk:1136264106937171999>

theaiguy69420_89814: Lol just made a killer app idea

theaiguy69420_89814: Time to execute

otub: gimme o4-mini sama

zoermena: Godspeed friend <:startrek:1334027709541777460>

otub: <:redemption:1136265386984222771>

st.sioux: thats what they said about quasar

wellmeaningalien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvNtVPT3EbE

wellmeaningalien: SomeOrdinaryGamers "debunks" dire wolves by pointing out that it's still mostly Gray Wolf DNA, without pointing out that Gray Wolf DNA is mostly just Dire Wolf DNA and that the same is true of Human and Chimps, you could change a few key genes and you can turn a monkey into a human lol

zoermena: So yes and no?

wellmeaningalien: So yes they brought back a dire wolf from extinction

wellmeaningalien: Cant wait to see how expensive o3 is

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: What the hell

wellmeaningalien: Apparently o4 mini is going to be like incredible

zoermena: And they say we are in a winter


christiskingrapturenxtmonth: It makes the baseline assumption that "fast AI is dangerous AI"

nondescriptfaith: Is haste normally coincident with safety in your experience?

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: if there's no reason to believe it's dangerous you can't claim it is

nondescriptfaith: You believe there is no reason to think AI might be dangerous?

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: no I'm talking about AI 2027

nondescriptfaith: So your issue is the rapidity of the timeline they suggest, not the claims they make?

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: I didn't read it

nondescriptfaith: What does Nietzsche say of this?

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: David read it for me
https://fixupx.com/DaveShapi/status/1908301328951959887

memlaswaif: <:concernedpoliwhirl:1313314818907832421>

memlaswaif: I don't trust one word that comes out of David shapiro

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: post-ayahuasca David is alright

memlaswaif: <:hmmmm:869656993999249508>

nondescriptfaith: David seems a little motivated to dislike this. I think doomer pointer crowd has knee jerk reactions to anyone who dares utter the phrase ‘ex-risk’.

nondescriptfaith: <@299696315653423104> You should read it and make your own mind up. Don’t just repeat what other have said

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: <:bingus:1136264105800515644>

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: the David analysis is good enough for me

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: I saw that

czdct:

czdct: 🤣

nondescriptfaith: <@299696315653423104> Honestly a lot of his critique doesn’t even make sense, the story has two different endings. I’d recommend you read it yourself

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-jim-carrey-dumb-and-dumber-jim-carrey-i-don%27t-hear-you-gif-9558280472791987858

nondescriptfaith: Alright man, just believe whatever makes you feel good I guess?

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1242801811027398658/1351057716017106962/nod-cat-hyper.gif

popsiclejohnithan:

brain4brain: They took the based acceleration path of the essay for this video <:based:1136264604788473946>

popsiclejohnithan: You think we'll actually be at that point by those years?

brain4brain: No

popsiclejohnithan: The economic crash will probs slow things down.

brain4brain: We’ll reach it sooner

popsiclejohnithan: God i hope so.

brain4brain: It doesn’t effect anything

brain4brain: AI lab have infinite money glitch

brain4brain: Chip isn’t effected by tariff

popsiclejohnithan: Really?

brain4brain: Economic collapse make government bail out company, more money funnel to AI lab

futurist_wizard:

popsiclejohnithan: It could also force them to make the models cheeper and more power effecient like deepseek as well.

popsiclejohnithan: To be fair it's literally the most important thing ever so they will try to keep them afloat, they are still going to struggle though definitely we are all going to need to tighten our belts.

retrerox: Because base their perception on movies that said Computers are evil


.wolfnacht: u should have come 1-2 months ago when everyone was hating on google and bullying the ones who had hope on google.

zonchao: who is the guy that tracks new models on lmarena?

futurist_wizard: My timelines have not budged

futurist_wizard: 2029 at the absolute latest

gamerbath: indeed

777agical: https://fxtwitter.com/ns123abc/status/1912876350911754676

gamerbath: why does OpenAI want to buy cursor or windsurf? I'm usre they can just develop their own thing

777agical: Data and users I assume

777agical: https://x.com/advaitonline/status/1912852199446548510?s=46

st.sioux: way easier to just buy

mantegh5061: I thought they were backing devin

realelonmuskx: is `o4-mini-high` good or bs? i just use gemini thinking its sweet af

777agical: Offline test

trojan09205: Damn i didnt even know o4 mini dropped

gamerbath: it's time to get the wisdom notification role <#1215724928104398958>

trojan09205: I still use gpt 4o mini by default then just scale up when I need a little more. It does process images rather well surprisingly

Cause im a free chatgpt user - i have a tiny api balance and just use different wrappers which let me upload images to 4o mini. Aichat is great imo

st.sioux: 4o mini kinda sucks bro

trojan09205: O3 mini is my go to for art analysis tho

anathemaofmankind: I think I'm feeling the agi

trojan09205: Yeah i dont use it for coding or anything. Mostly just to ingest an image and then scale up to a different model for something else. At least it can ingest the base64 images and i think that step is pretty straightforward

trojan09205: I like the gemini models…the only thing is that i feel like openAI really does substantially better at making their chat models much more personable

Gemini is good for raw coding, in many ways ive seen it be a beast. But i like to ask the llms to summarize like a bro- and gpt models feel more natural

trojan09205: Idk if you guys have used the free gemini embeddings model. Its great for free RAG usagr

st.sioux: i have only used openai's embeddings

st.sioux: i didn't know gemini had an embeddings model lol

st.sioux: might try it out

trojan09205: Same lol. It was auto detected by the rag suite i use when i plugged in my gemini api key

trojan09205: I use it to just RAG entire books for free lol

trojan09205: I use nomic locally sometimes when needed

trojan09205: Im kind of ranting here - but as far as openai embeddings. I have found that its way worth using the larger model vs the small. Quality boost in my experience is massive

himekokatagiri: So what's the consensus now

himekokatagiri: What's to come

trojan09205: Imo just more agentic suites

_cloudost: DW

gamerbath: that's crazy

anathemaofmankind: 2.5 pro can't solve it

_cloudost: It's gonna be better than Gemini 2.5 pro

anathemaofmankind: Its losing its mind in the COT

trojan09205: I havent been on discord in like 9 weeks. Been going through a lot of shit but its nice to be back a bit. This server is great

anathemaofmankind: Also it gave me the wrong answer

trojan09205: I hate COT. I always ignore it because honestly i havent really learned much from reading them at all. Kind of nauseating


perish0801: You die and go to heaven

perish0801: Heaven being a place where you’ll live forever without a physical body

perish0801: Cant wait

popsiclejohnithan: FDVR heaven.

perish0801: No clue what that stands for

ailoveyoom: My story was petty tho, I was a kid and Jesus didn't help me with something kid me thought important at the time. So I just, idk, renounced my faith and started hating?? 💀 I criticized my fair share, but I think kid me was bitter/upset at 'god' too (or at least I needed someone else to blame besides myself). So I was def edgy 😔

The whole religion thing never worked on me either tbf, so maybe I was always going to leave that behind 🤷♂

popsiclejohnithan: Full Dive Virtual Reality.

perish0801: Oh yes

hikukomoru: There is plenty of space in our solar system

popsiclejohnithan: This as well.

perish0801: Well yeah

perish0801: I mean yeah

perish0801: Just sleep until you get to a planet

perish0801: The problem for me is will average people allow this shit to happen

perish0801: Will they not have revolutions

perish0801: Will they ruin everything with their childish politics

zonchao: https://x.com/hyhieu226/status/1914333155290763586?

popsiclejohnithan: There are going to be a lot of Luddites against this, no doubt we will see violent terrorist attacks, they will lose because they will have inferior technology compared to those that embrace A.I. it's like when the Ottomans refused the printing press, you either move forward with everyone else like a rational person or you stagnate and die like a fool.

perish0801: Hopefully that happens

futurist_wizard: All roads lead to hivemind giant computer planet

futurist_wizard: **all roads**

sarik0497: We can sort of already see it now.

When life and society itself changes, so too do we. In my great-grandmother’s youth, having 4+ children was the norm due to children dying early. When that changed, people started having fewer children.

When life started to go from “get married and own a house by 25” to “fuck around until your late 30s”, people started having children and getting married later.

If we manage to stay youthful for 100 years, then I doubt most people will have children until their 80s-90s. And if we stay youthful forever, then even later.

It’s like that old fantasy trope where you hear people call some 500 year old elf for “child” due to their young age.

perish0801: Interesting perspective

perish0801: I agree

perish0801: Still if people stopped dying of old age tomorrow, population will keep increasing exponentially for a couple decades

himekokatagiri: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdONLv3qJw

sarik0497: For sure, but also keep in mind that we’ll still be killable for a while. Maybe a system similar to China will be set up for a few decades to figure out things.

perish0801: Oh yeah true that makes sense

memlaswaif: space

himekokatagiri: what do you think of transmetropolitan

memlaswaif: how long

st.sioux: 26.55 years

memlaswaif: most people literally can't afford to have children

3ds0662: yet to be seen

3ds0662: lev just seems impossible tbh

3ds0662: death is an insurmountable problem

perish0801: Just upload my consciousness to the internet

perish0801: That’s the thing right what if you upload a carbon copy of me to some cloud but it’s just a copy and not actually me

perish0801: It’s just an AI

3ds0662: but thats a copy of your mind, there is no true transfer of consciousness


_cloudost:

drewsni: LMAO

oooooooooog: the effective resolution is actually even lower than that due to the noise added in

ailoveyoom: Oh yeah I def noticed this when putting videos in

ailoveyoom: Surely it works in some effect with images too

spicy.lemonade: Loll

spicy.lemonade: wtf

spicy.lemonade: When was the poll made

spicy.lemonade: Closed right on time

.histic: https://x.com/sama/status/1905000759336620238

.histic: damn

spicy.lemonade: Over shot for sora

spicy.lemonade: Undershot Image gen

oooooooooog: as expected

zoermena: Cooked

zoermena: Im so blessed

oooooooooog: anyone else noticing that 99% of comments on reddit are deleted for some reason

_cloudost: free tier will probably have watermark

oooooooooog: these ones already do, right...?

oooooooooog: the noise looks so obvious that i can't imagine it's anything by a watermark

zoermena: I’ve never seen a watermark

oooooooooog: then why are the images so noisy?!?!?!!?!

zoermena: Idk

alejandrozarzuelo: btw

st.sioux: its a stylistic choice

st.sioux: you can tell it to remove it

oooooooooog: no way bro

.histic:

alejandrozarzuelo: the gemini 2.5 image generator really screams "we are living in the future"

alejandrozarzuelo: its SO GOOD

oooooooooog: there is a gemini 2.5 image generator?

alejandrozarzuelo: wait whats this program again

alejandrozarzuelo: i am out of the loop

alejandrozarzuelo: the 4o?

oooooooooog: yes

alejandrozarzuelo: okok

alejandrozarzuelo: srry

oooooooooog: 2.0 flash gemini has one as well (it's quite a bit worse though)

alejandrozarzuelo: i have been VERY BUSY lately

spicy.lemonade: Indeed


futurist_wizard: Lots of curly hair people here

wellmeaningalien: Yooo wassup is me bob

sweetievee__33649: i want to see mushroom man since you said he likes mushroom in *that* way and i want to see what someone with *that* looks like

hikukomoru: He looks like a femboy

sweetievee__33649: real?

hikukomoru: <@439829942310666250>

hikukomoru: posted himself in a skirt

hikukomoru: gay ass bitch

futurist_wizard: And kneesocks

wellmeaningalien: Mushroom posted his face he's just like a twinkish white dude

futurist_wizard: Twink ish?

sweetievee__33649: so hes just a femboy twink then

futurist_wizard: Femboy is beyond twink

hikukomoru: Femboy is superior to twink

sweetievee__33649: true

wellmeaningalien: White people here if only yall knew the singularity was UZBEK

sweetievee__33649: femboys are way better than twinks

hikukomoru: We should turn all men into femboys

futurist_wizard:

hikukomoru: Don't call me white

hikukomoru: I'm a real latina baddie

sweetievee__33649: id support this if a politician put this in their plan

_3sphere: Is risky

wellmeaningalien: Wtf my phone is racist it hates AAVE it autocorrects yall to tall

sweetievee__33649: in what way are there some creepers in here or something

wellmeaningalien: Ahahahahahhaha you just as mentally ill as Alejandro if you think you Latina

futurist_wizard: Risky?

futurist_wizard: Its not risky, its just they want to be anonymous

hikukomoru: I'm not as mentally ill as Alejandro

hikukomoru: I'm more

futurist_wizard: My pfp used to be my face

hikukomoru:

sweetievee__33649: mich mach they look like 12 years old 🥀

wellmeaningalien: Tbh I don't think if you post ur face here anything bad is gonna happens. Nobody calling the cyber opps on this nerd ass bitch server. We just too shy

hikukomoru: Don't hot face react that pic

aero447: Guys.

futurist_wizard: All anime characters look 12

technocake.: everyone in here is a creeper, except maybe fractal

sweetievee__33649: straight pedo defense

aero447: Keep the fetish posting to an absolute maximum thank you.


spicy.lemonade: like most integrals

trojan09205: Okay but you are introducing pi due to your knowledge of radians and the sin/cos relationships to a circle no?

spicy.lemonade: most integrals are done assuming youre in radians. the answer just happens to contain pi.

trojan09205: Tbh its a little beyond my skills

I studied stats in college but its been a good many years since ive done computations by hand

trojan09205: Like i got a degree in stats and worked as a junior statistician for a year out of college before moving to software

In any case most of the material was not proofs - a lot of just practical programming and coming up with solutions to use in practice

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: finally

spicy.lemonade: an official pokemon benchmark

spicy.lemonade: https://www.vgbench.com/

trojan09205: Very cool

trojan09205: Would be cool to see AI bots take unconventional paths through osrs not just prioritizing levels but just the whole gameplay- fashionscape, bossing, pking all that

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: new frontier math scores

trey6033: https://x.com/bongrandp/status/1913040244963766432

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: 😔

st.sioux: holy canoli

spicy.lemonade: we need a huge jump this summer

spicy.lemonade: if we wanna get 50%+ this year

destrucules: It looks like Google could own the entire frontier if they made sure Gemini 2.5 Flash in standard mode gets ≥72 GPQA Diamond. However, this graph is wrong because it doesn't include Grok 3 mini Reasoning. Which is an o4 level model, scoring 80 in GPQA Diamond, at just $0.3/$0.5 per million tokens. At a 3:1 ratio, that's (0.9+0.5)/4 = $0.35/Mt. That removes Gemini 2.5 Flash *and* o4 mini from the Pareto frontier. And also V3 0324 and R1. So it's actually just Gemini 2.0 Flash Lite, Gemini 2.0 Flash, and then Grok 3 mini Reasoning, and then Gemini 2.5 Pro. So Google, Google, xAI, Google, and zero OpenAI, and also zero DeepSeek on the frontier.

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: <:redemption:1136265386984222771>

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/man-praying-black-man-praying-black-man-praying-and-crying-man-praying-and-crying-gif-23376408540985609

ldj: https://tenor.com/view/praying-angel-emoji-emoticon-smiley-gif-15640677

trey6033: They use cons@64 with extended thinking.  Versus a single pass through for 2.5 flash

professorheaven: It’s funny because the FrontierMath developers themselves (EpochAI) predicted a median score of 75% by the end of the year. Their lower bound was 50%

trey6033: Your price values aren't the price value of how they benched it anyway

spicy.lemonade: o4 might kill it

spicy.lemonade: if its multiplicative jump

spicy.lemonade: also a breakthrough that can increase performance by 40 points is proof verification

professorheaven: How though? o1 gets 9% while o4 mini high gets 18%, that’s a 2x jump

spicy.lemonade: o3 mini high gets 32% with tools

trey6033: Grok 3 Reasoning Beta and Grok 3 mini Reasoning’s scores for AIME 2025 at “@1” — meaning the first score the models got on the benchmark — fall below o3-mini-high’s score. Grok 3 Reasoning Beta also trails ever so slightly behind OpenAI’s o1 model set to “medium” computing.

https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/22/did-xai-lie-about-grok-3s-benchmarks/

spicy.lemonade: ?

trojan09205: Grok is ass

spicy.lemonade: https://beta.lmarena.ai/

spicy.lemonade: new lmarena

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: this is nice

trojan09205: