futurist_wizard: Idk

futurist_wizard: We are in the disappointing new models era

metaldragon01: ?????

zoermena: I didn't see the google talk, can we use the new tools alr?

metaldragon01: o3 will be better than the benchmarks we saw

metaldragon01: 100%

futurist_wizard: It might not

rayanquitplayin: Which paid models do you guys have?

futurist_wizard: I have gpt pro for trolling

alejandrozarzuelo: I paid for one month for plus

But it's stupid when gemini 2.5 is better and free

futurist_wizard: I should unsubscribe

futurist_wizard: It lets me generate this tho

rayanquitplayin: Yea I haven’t invested in any paid models

rayanquitplayin: Once I get a job I might

drewsni: In this case it’s the literal definition of SOTA tho so I don’t understand your issue with it

drewsni: Highest benchmark scores, largest usable context, top performing in many use cases

alejandrozarzuelo: The thing is that SOTA is the "equivalence class of best" if you get what I mean

But people use an unhelpful epimorphism that makes it lose a lot of the information

alejandrozarzuelo: Just because "the best" is SOTA doesn't mean that SOTA is the best, as you can be SOTA but not the best

rayanquitplayin: Can’t wait for sota agi

zoermena: Concerning

himekokatagiri: is firebase any good

himekokatagiri: servers are busy

metaldragon01: Grok api here

metaldragon01: https://docs.x.ai/docs/models

rayanquitplayin: What’s concerning?

futurist_wizard: https://fixupx.com/bryan_johnson/status/1910043079098380319

drewsni: No reasoning? Lmao

metaldragon01: I don't understand why fast is so much more expensive

metaldragon01: Just how slow is slow?

777agical: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2502.17578 <@312370916820779040> <:brilliantmove:1281977133601652816>

metaldragon01: It absolutely not worth at those fast prices

rayanquitplayin: AI def gonna take finance jobs

777agical: ChatGPT: [When you let an AI try something many times (like solving a math problem), its chances of getting it right go up fast. But when you look at how AIs do on average across lots of problems, the improvement looks slower—like a power law.

This paper figured out why:
Some problems are super hard, and the AI almost never gets them right, no matter how many tries. These tough ones mess with the average and make it seem like the AI is improving more slowly than it really is.

What this means for the future:
    •    We can predict how much better AI gets with more tries, without wasting a ton of computer power.
    •    We can evaluate and improve AI faster and cheaper.
    •    We better understand why AIs fail sometimes, which helps us make them safer and smarter.

⸻

Basically: AI is actually improving faster than we thought, and now we know why the numbers were tricking us.]

alejandrozarzuelo: Well

alejandrozarzuelo: Not really

alejandrozarzuelo: It's just that the progress is happening in different places than we thought

alejandrozarzuelo: Or that it appears

alejandrozarzuelo: I wouldn't call it slower

drewsni: Wait why are the numbers tricking us what problems are harder?

literallyvarane: Batching


.wolfnacht: he should hav gone the open source way! atleast would have gained some sympathy from people

literallyvarane: Hhahahaaaha this is actually dogshit

zoermena: My health is so shit, as long as I don’t die I should hopefully be able to fix everything.

_cloudost: This looks literally like the art style of those Twitter/reddit artists who charge $20-$30 for a single commission, Musk steals art styles but no one cares because they all know this art style is garbage

_cloudost: Apparently professional artists charge 150-+500 for a single commission, no way in hell will I ever pay someone for a digital drawing.

_cloudost: No wonder ARTISTS are so pissed off by AI art, they love taking advantage of people's income, and yet that more people are free to express their creativity these artists oppose AI, they are tyrants pretending to be "oppressed"

_3sphere: SD 1 ahh image

alejandrozarzuelo: like photography did

alejandrozarzuelo: how so

_3sphere: Humans are so slow and yet so expensive per unit time, it actually checks out if you consider how long drawing takes and the min wage

zoermena: I suspect I might’ve messed up my eye maybe diabetes? I ate like shit as a teenager.

_3sphere: Can't believe I still don't need glasses given how I always treated my eyes

alejandrozarzuelo: suspect?

alejandrozarzuelo: dont you just

alejandrozarzuelo: you know

alejandrozarzuelo: go to the doctor?

zoermena: I should buy some produce for eye health

zoermena: Not Europe, can’t go whenever for free.

alejandrozarzuelo: you cant?

alejandrozarzuelo: thats lame

alejandrozarzuelo: srry

zoermena: But I will, this weekend that’s the only time I have available my week is packed.

alejandrozarzuelo: u r murican?

zoermena: Mexican.

zoermena: You forgot again perhaps it’s the profile picture change.

zoermena: But this one will stick I promise

alejandrozarzuelo: amigo

alejandrozarzuelo: we

alejandrozarzuelo: pero si puedes ir al medico

zoermena: Ósea si pero el MISS es una mrda not gonna lie

alejandrozarzuelo: bueno a ver, no es lo mejor del mundo pero puedes ir siempre q kieras

zoermena: Supongo, de todos modos ya tengo un doc de confianza que solo me sale 300 la cita.

zoermena: Y ya ahorita que me llegó el paycheck tengo dinero de sobra si me toca hacer estudios de laboratorio.

alejandrozarzuelo: bueno pues dejate de tantos subjuntivos y hazlos imperativos

alejandrozarzuelo: chequeate y asi ya sabes exactamente lo q es

zoermena: A lo Bryan Johnson

alejandrozarzuelo: no se q es eso pero bueno

memlaswaif: <:cutethink:708400862833410079>

zoermena: I’ll proceed to go engage in physical activity

futurist_wizard: Sleep and eating right is more important than any physical activity


spicy.lemonade: are we comparing o5 possible benchmarks to today?

spicy.lemonade: no

shirethedreamer: sure
that % increase will take 10 years
and we will need 5 more years of hardware scale up to run millions of instances of digi-ilya

spicy.lemonade: chatgpt servers millions of users per day

aero447: Shire B4B is 14.

shirethedreamer: okay?

spicy.lemonade: this would explain alot

trojan09205: I mean bro if you even take out the coding/system design aspect. I have a hard time believing AIs can substitute a proper business facing role that well. Not until facetime and voice AI is super natural and even then there is just too much human involvement

aero447: It's best to remember that when talking to him.

brain4brain: Close but not true. And my age doesn't affect anything

aero447: He is genuinely a prepubescent child.

alejandrozarzuelo: I think that the strongest evidence for AGI 2035 Is that, the tasks AI can make with 3sigma accuracy, with a doubling rate of 6 months which is the long term average, says that it will have 20 year contexts (aka a productive lifetime) by 2035

Thid is why I think it is a good timeline to expect

Now, <@312370916820779040> would say that this rate has accelerated recently and then one would expect sooner than 2035, but I think that it is too soon too tell

aero447: Oh kid.

brain4brain: And yet my timeline is more reasonable than your 2035 timeline

aero447: It does.

brain4brain: Ok

spicy.lemonade: can we all agree

trojan09205: Age most certainly plays a gigantic role smh lol

spicy.lemonade: that fractals 2060+ timeline is wrong

brain4brain: You're timeline is so ridiculous you need to resort to my age as an argument

trojan09205: Your brain is literally growing mad faster than us old farts

alejandrozarzuelo: It's most likely wrong *

Noone can see the future

aero447: Wrong.

spicy.lemonade: 😭

brain4brain: No, inferencing is cheaper than training. All of the computers in the world combined exceed all of human brain capacity; we just can't turn it into intelligence. ChatGPT and other AI services run millions of instances every day, and we can get 20x improvement per year.

alejandrozarzuelo: Wdym

brain4brain: Is that supposed to be a bad thing

aero447: I can see the future.

alejandrozarzuelo: Oh

aero447: 😎

brain4brain: It depends on his definition

trojan09205: Not at all

brain4brain: What is the definition I forgot

alejandrozarzuelo: And what does the future say oh <@1152183706849644615>

spicy.lemonade: agi

trojan09205: But tbh besides just the biological component. You cant replicate learned wisdom and that takes time and experience

brain4brain: I think your keyboard autocorrected from "can't" to "can"

spicy.lemonade: i dont like these statements because they are usually wrong
should be "i dont think AI will replace my job soon"

spicy.lemonade: AI will definetly replace your job regardless of who you are

spicy.lemonade: unless youre a stripper idk


.histic: yes, on sora.com it basically is.

.histic: <@1316552597829586955> https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1jqso9g/just_noticed_this_new_thinking_toggle_in_chatgpt/
do you've this too? cuz i got this 2 days ago.

.histic: it's pretty mid

st.sioux: no, only on mobile

st.sioux: not on desktop

.histic: <:ez:1136267305521774634> i got it on desktop

.histic: wait wtf

.histic: the button is gone now

theaiguy69420_89814: 1 month worth of coding done autonomously...

.histic: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

_cloudost: Ah I see

czdct: it does have a cooldown on chatgpt though

_cloudost: How long is the cool down

czdct: around 20 minutes when ur at your hourly limit

czdct: how much it is exactly is unknown

czdct: sora however doesn't have a cd

_cloudost: Idk if Sora has the same quality

czdct: the "create image" function in chatgpt tends to give you better results since it uses 4o to try and understand what you want, and it also gives you the ability to edit images with just text

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: just say openAI

spicy.lemonade: 😭

spicy.lemonade: we know its openAI

czdct: it's really good at consistent characters from what I've seen

_cloudost: I wanna add color to my 2D animation frames with the native image generator, so I'd need to generate 400-300 images a day

czdct: oh

czdct: it's alright with adding colours, but not perfect

czdct: you should use a reference image and upload the uncoloured version as well

czdct: and then tell it to analyze the colours and consistently apply them to your non-coloured images

_cloudost: Thanks for suggesting this idea, I'll note it

czdct: you're welcome, goodluck with your project

_3sphere: What's its resolution limit

_3sphere: What if you arrange your frames in a giant grid

realelonmuskx: a computer made this.

.histic: weird bug happening.
my text is white.

.wolfnacht: the spelling mistakes make it even more accurate to be written by a 6-7 yr old kid.

spicy.lemonade: Been ai generating my notes for my math exams

spicy.lemonade: And passing with little study

spicy.lemonade: But the teachers are now required to hand written notes

spicy.lemonade: Which is pissing me off

spicy.lemonade: It’s not like I’m not still gonna generate it


alejandrozarzuelo: I am sure i have read something about any intelligence model be able to be captured in a mathematical framework

which if you think about it it must obviously be true since we assume that the entire universe can be described by physics (which is a mathematic model)

spicy.lemonade: hes agreeing with roon but adds that some artists see creativity as a means of employment

maintcrew: I dont get how "we will automate your job and put you on ubi" is fine for people who do real work but all of a sudden too out of pocket for artists

frittata: Employment *problem* is the statement he should’ve gone for if he wanted that

alejandrozarzuelo: i dont agree, but thats a difference in attitude between you and me I guess

spicy.lemonade: "its ok as long as it doesnt effect me"

frittata: Art is no employment program, because no one is handing artists jobs. It is employment, full stop, for those that can fight hard enough to create a space for themselves there

fractalcomputer: Many things are true when you assume them to be true, Alejandro.

spicy.lemonade: "can we do all the boring jobs no one wants to do like coding and deskjobs"

maintcrew: i think the art world is more likely to be filled with empathetic people that go on off vibes and therefore dont like this automation

maintcrew: the boring coding job is art for some people

anathemaofmankind: "Learn to code" mfers when their desk jobs get automated instead of random truck drivers

frittata: Can I just add that I feel for the thousands of tech analysts and coders that’ve gotten cut in the last year in favor of AI also

frittata: Little less so though

frittata: Nobody puts their soul in their code

frittata: … I hope

maintcrew: Incredibly wrong

spicy.lemonade: this is hella funny. most programmers are pro AI art. but against AI coding. Most artists are pro AI coding but against AI art

fractalcomputer: I do not think that somewhere out there, Lie groups create the universe while dancing to the beat of mad drums and the thin whining of monotonous flutes beyond the nethermost outposts of space and time; do you, Alejandro?

frittata: When the shoe is on the other foot …

shirethedreamer: you are clearly not familiar with my work 🧐

alejandrozarzuelo: we assume physics to be true, and thus, we can prove that a mathematical model of the brain or any other biological structure exists, from that assumption

I have found a few papers that are similar to one I read a few months ago (still cant find the one)

The Bayesian Brain (friston,2020)

shirethedreamer: its easier to have an objective perspective when your wallet is not on the line

maintcrew: Actually it is the case that most reliable software you use everyday is exactly that where people put their soul in

maintcrew: when things start to break its bc nobody put their soul in it

spicy.lemonade: programmers: wow AI art can help me make my HTML and CSS web apps. I can also make logos, i dont need a designer HAHAHA. WAIT NO WDYM IT GOT 90% ON SWE BENCH, ITL NEVER BE AS GOOD

frittata: 🙇 forgive me I didn’t realize we had a banksy of script among us

ailoveyoom: Brother I think it's called, "fearing for your livelihood"

fractalcomputer: We do not assume physics to be true since there is no single coherent mathematical framework that has succeeded in entirely describing our reality; you should claim your Nobel prize if you are aware of such a working theory with empirical proof. Physics is not a single thing; it is an outgrowth of natural philosophy that happens to use mathematics.

alejandrozarzuelo: I dont really understand this comment, I do believe that mathematics can completely encapsulate the universe, thats what physocs fundaments itself on

spicy.lemonade: artists: wow AI coding helps me make games for myself with art I drew. WAIT WDYM IT CAN MAKE ITS OWN ART

alejandrozarzuelo: true, but the frameworks we have are very good and getting closer to modelling reality

shirethedreamer: i have mastered the art of solving a problem in 10x the time a competent programmer would
thus pouring that much more of my soul into the divine process

fractalcomputer: How would you know?

frittata: Hard work ain’t soul bro

maintcrew: sad take

anathemaofmankind: What does soul mean

futurist_wizard: https://gizmodo.com/music-publishers-say-theyre-very-confident-in-case-against-anthropic-despite-legal-setback-2000581029

777agical: my soul says otherwise <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

fractalcomputer: Does it really?


hey1_1hey: Basic bitch

hikukomoru: No
I already posted my Ghiblified self

a1c4p0ne: Where

a1c4p0ne: Show me

hey1_1hey: That's just degradation bro 😭

hikukomoru: <@322961583154397184>

zoermena: Should I be brave

hikukomoru: Isn't that your fetish too though

a1c4p0ne: Oh nice

hikukomoru: Don't judge me bitch

a1c4p0ne: Ask 4o to turn it realistic now

hey1_1hey: Comically large pizza slice

hikukomoru: Hnngg I wish I was that pizza

futurist_wizard: Degrading people is fun

hey1_1hey: Nice try

.wolfnacht: *SIGHS* i really wanna spend money on gpt subscription but i know, i'll regret it

hey1_1hey: Ikr

hikukomoru: I already tried it and it looks nothing like me

a1c4p0ne: lol

a1c4p0ne: I have an idea

.wolfnacht: someone ghiblify this

zoermena: Omg I love it

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/shino-wag-tail-cute-anime-gif-8547576549624904158

zoermena: Let me finish this clash match

futurist_wizard: Wow tf i sent the Ghibli version and asked it to turn it realistic again

futurist_wizard: And it made me ugly

hey1_1hey: Speak of the devill lmao

hey1_1hey: We were just talking about that

drewsni: i have bad news for u <@1004153620025065482>

drewsni: ur ugly

hey1_1hey: 💀

hey1_1hey: I also have bad news for you Futureist hill. People don't enough about femboys

a1c4p0ne:

a1c4p0ne: Accurate?

futurist_wizard: I do good enough

futurist_wizard: 36 year old

hey1_1hey: I told you Komoru was on their last leg

futurist_wizard: Honestly bruv what are you on about

futurist_wizard: LEARN ENGLISH

zoermena: <@834891518836736010>


zonchao: easy W

darkstar0818: respect to dev.  He 100% is a master at knowing his audience.

zonchao: it is not fun to coop though, maybe if the cop AI was better

zonchao: well it was alright

spicy.lemonade: 30 mins lads

darkstar0818: I do like that this game shows that people dont give a shit about big budget art/sound

zonchao: its not lethal company  levels of fun

zonchao: yea

darkstar0818: its all about the gameplay and vibes

zonchao: this game probably made more than south of midnight and probably sold more than AC <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

hikukomoru: What game

darkstar0818: you too young to play and mind too pure.

zonchao: schedule 1

zonchao: its like 20 bucks and easy 30hrs+ worth it

spicy.lemonade:

zoermena: Can anyone update me if 4.1 is cool. I’m at work

hey1_1hey: Yeah of course will do

zoermena: You are the goat

gamerbath: <:LETSGO:1056254139904036995>

hikukomoru: No

darkstar0818: bitch

hikukomoru:

.0xunkn0wn: YOOOO

.0xunkn0wn: 4.1 😨

hey1_1hey: I can guarantee you guys that there isn't going to be a better naming scheme

spicy.lemonade: 4 mins

hey1_1hey: Please be good 🙏

hey1_1hey: If its not AGI its worthless

_cloudost: GPT 4.1 > GPT 4.5?

gamerbath: nah,

harryisgamer: I'm going to kill myself over this fucking naming scheme

gamerbath: I think 4.1 will be a smaller cheaper model

steven_the_frog: I'm hoping for the 4o image gen api

spicy.lemonade: 1 min

hikukomoru: Is there stream link

hey1_1hey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA-P9ood-cE

spicy.lemonade: its time

spicy.lemonade: where model

hey1_1hey: Hello people

gamerbath: it's starting!!


st.sioux: nvm minimum is even lower, $5

okbut: A lot of things to be mad about and people choose the coolest thing ever

okbut: But it could've been any of the 42 rockets SpaceX has launched so far this year and it be commended because Elon yet she chose the one flying a female so I call bait

okbut: 43* They launched one last night

waspothegreat: maybe she's mad she wasn't on the rocket

_cloudost: Got access to Veo 2 finally

_cloudost: And got my prompt rejected 5 times

_cloudost: Can't use the model anymore cuz I exceeded the quota

otub: whats the prompt

_cloudost: Now I have to wait.. if you get your prompt blocked it will be counted as a generation by Veo 2

otub: i have gens in aistudio left

_cloudost: Soldier from TF2 takes a few steps and then stops

_cloudost: This image was attached

zoermena: Was it gore?

_cloudost: Got blocked five times over this

_cloudost: Nope

_cloudost: The first prompt had Shooting

zoermena: Veo doesn’t like making people, I tried animating an astronaut with no visible human skin and it just didn’t want to

_cloudost: But then I removed it still got my prompt blocked

zoermena: Yeah it just doesn’t make people

zoermena: Even if cartoonish

_cloudost: Then why did people generate animated living things jn the Gemini server

zoermena: I suppose that was before it got blocked

_cloudost: Either this is a new restriction or your prompt was actually against the guidelines

zoermena: My prompt was just an astronaut flying <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

_cloudost: Honestly if Kling 2 releases a better model today who cares about Veo 2

_cloudost: Kling 2 willl be here in 2:19:00 hours

zoermena: More importantly I think, if there’s no direct way to use it in the Google advanced plan then there’s like no point in just trying randomly hoping to get a video

okbut: She could be
She's spent nearly 3x as much on flights
One airline burns the fuel of one launch within a few hours too

zoermena: If Kling 2 is good enough I might play with it this month but I dislike the UI

okbut: Imagine being stuck in this compact acoustic chamber with this noise
https://x.com/fopminui/status/1911983797437898796

metaldragon01: I'm pretty excited about it but not expecting much better than veo 2

metaldragon01: Hopefully much cheaper and close to quality though

fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/asus-msi-obi-wan-sith-destroy-gif-18039908123598928186

fractalcomputer: He's lost it to the ethicists.

zoermena: I bought my first steam game lets see how it goes

okbut: I was so locked in for exams I forgot about the first day of ship week
What did OAI drop

otub: gpt-4.1

otub: 1 mil context, and api only

otub: <https://openai.com/index/gpt-4-1/>


_cloudost: Americans aren't welcome in Europa

_cloudost: They will ruin it

zonchao: Steven Adler, Rosemary Campbell, Neil Chowdhury, Jacob Hilton, Daniel Kokotajlo, Gretchen Krueger, Todor Markov, Richard Ngo, Girish Sastry, William Saunders, Carrol Wainwright, and Jeffrey Wu.

drewsni: Interesting that they’re pretty much all safety people

zonchao: yea

otub: https://vxtwitter.com/sama/status/1635684890812485633 heres him in 2023

retrerox: Going for a night walk today

retrerox: Might hit a club, they have a dj tonight

wellmeaningalien: cool

wellmeaningalien: have fun

retrerox: Touching grass is fun

retrerox: Ty

wellmeaningalien: had a craze craze night tonight myself even tho i didnt hit a club or nothing like that

wellmeaningalien: some random stoner tried to talk to me and  he got arrested by the police while i was there lol

wellmeaningalien: anyway dont do too much coke

retrerox: I’m a good boy I don’t do drugs

retrerox: I barely drink alcohol

wellmeaningalien: cool

wellmeaningalien: still straight edge lol

wellmeaningalien: thats cause i havent had the occasion for it yet tho

himekokatagiri: What implications does that have in me making anime girls

himekokatagiri: I wanna make anime girls

himekokatagiri: lots of them

wellmeaningalien: well instead of getting manga girls you get manhua girls

himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/i-am-robot-bigzom25-will-smith-smh-youre-right-gif-2471436218838546277

himekokatagiri: why do this elon

himekokatagiri: I just wanna have my cool FDVR life

himekokatagiri: and like

himekokatagiri: I feel everyone should be forgiven

himekokatagiri: because it isn't fair to be punished for things you did in this short life

zoermena: God

zoermena: The “grass” in question

himekokatagiri: lol

joaoluz19: It's too early to say that nothing ever happens

himekokatagiri: yeah I think US will invest heavy in AI

hikukomoru: We are more likely to get anime girls with China than the US because US companies are all censorship cucks

himekokatagiri: I wanna be the anime girl 😭

.wolfnacht: why your legs look a bit fluffy 😳  and a bit *cute* ?

himekokatagiri: idk I don't think china lieks anime

himekokatagiri: we need a japanese AI


.histic: i'd do the same if i was in their position.

zoermena: real?

.histic: people are easy to fool

zoermena: populism maxxing

.histic: corrupt politicians only exist because the masses agreed upon it being okay at the end of the day.

himekokatagiri: ehhhh

himekokatagiri: when is google releasing their new thing

.histic: a lot of the big releases will be next month at their event, but they will be releasing something good soon.

technocake.: 20 minutes of relative time

himekokatagiri: I hate valve time

himekokatagiri: well okay about a week to may

himekokatagiri: damn it's gonna be may

himekokatagiri: and I didn't do shit this year

.histic: get a hobby
get a job.

himekokatagiri: I already work

.histic: are u in school?

himekokatagiri: jeez I already told you

himekokatagiri: I graduated

.histic: but you're 20..

himekokatagiri: G-R-A-D-U-A-T-E-D

himekokatagiri: so what

.histic: like university

himekokatagiri: yes

.histic: you gratuated university?

.histic: at 20?

himekokatagiri: yes

.histic: <:LOL:1187460826572005436> tf

.histic: what degree

himekokatagiri: it's called an associate's degree

.histic: oh

technocake.: americans say graduated for high school smh

technocake.: it is unearned

.histic: what degree

himekokatagiri: systems analyst

futurist_wizard: How tf you fail highschool

himekokatagiri: pretty bad call from my part

himekokatagiri: by the end of my first year GPT took ovah

technocake.: analyse your own ass i dare you

himekokatagiri: it's not cute so I don't want it

.histic: do you've a job related to it already?


st.sioux: usually just keep telling it to make it something that looks like mark zuckerberg

st.sioux: i got it to make anna gunn by doing that

spicy.lemonade: 2.5 means it’s a big jump

spicy.lemonade: Maybe even architecturally

spicy.lemonade: I think they’re using titans

spicy.lemonade: No way they get 83% accuracy

spicy.lemonade: Over 1 million tokens

spicy.lemonade: On reasoning

etnin_: bro u made it with dell E

etnin_: not the new model

.wolfnacht: sad : ( so i need 20$ plan for that...

a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/levelsio/status/1904592599014662168

etnin_: yea i think so for now

.wolfnacht: fuck sama

etnin_: there was no mention of free users

etnin_: lol

ailoveyoom: Yeah it's why I sent you the OG pic lol

spicy.lemonade:

ailoveyoom: Outfit matches to the source material, checks out 😏

.wolfnacht: 🥰  thanks

.histic: crazy

connorsphone.: Lying is overpowered

.histic: he looks unreal.
just like real life.

etnin_: i love this bro, it feels like when gpt 4 just released.

etnin_:

st.sioux:

.wolfnacht: Lmao

.wolfnacht: this one's much better

st.sioux: how is openai not going broke with this? i've been using it like all the time since it released

st.sioux: i barely worked today 😛

spicy.lemonade:

.wolfnacht: wait is it fr ?

spicy.lemonade: 4o

etnin_: I mean they announced it more than a year ago i think, they had plenty of time to distill it.

.histic: jesus.
the more 4o generations i see, the more i realize we entered in a new era.

.wolfnacht: ikr, at a first glance, can't tell

.histic:

spicy.lemonade: 💀

spicy.lemonade: Imagine showing this to someone in 2020😭

spicy.lemonade: Always my first thought


hey1_1hey: I am on my knees for samA rn

clevermoniker: 4o image generation ||not <:LOL:1187460826572005436> ||

hey1_1hey: Business boutta go crazy

joaoluz19: BRO STOP

hikukomoru: Dopamine wore off I need something new
When can we generate Sama x Elon hentai

joaoluz19: 🥺

drewsni: this is agi

hey1_1hey: I can do that in crayon for $50

joaoluz19:

trent_k: my shit is still using dall e

trent_k: is it out for free users yet or not

hey1_1hey: Same here

joaoluz19: Me too

hey1_1hey: Nah not yet, to my knowledge at least

spicy.lemonade:

literallyvarane: The memes are going to be outrageous

trent_k: fuck this

spicy.lemonade:

trent_k: <a:CE_aRage:738098694389366845>

hikukomoru: > heart rate goes Mach 3
MICHMACH REFERENCE???

spicy.lemonade:

wellmeaningalien: i cant unsee severance in this interview with all the tense corporate awkwardness

maintcrew: fork 20$ paypig

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/severance-milkshake-severance-milchick-tramell-tillman-severance-season-2-milchick-milchick-milkshake-gif-6077999138498143408

wellmeaningalien: thats huuuge tho

drewsni: has to be, actual agi and its trained on this discord

spicy.lemonade: this looks hand drawn

wellmeaningalien: thats HUUUUUUUGE

trent_k: im a gemini boy now

spicy.lemonade: bro

wellmeaningalien: dude we need this on an image leaderboard

maintcrew: true the gemini model seems insane

spicy.lemonade: not a single mistake

maintcrew: the singularatards are just excited by whats prettier (image gen)

hey1_1hey: The artists are crying, pissing and shitting everywhere

neon01197:

wellmeaningalien: gpt 4o image gen blows gemini image gen out of the water and might actually replace artists entirely

hikukomoru: Imagine an AGI trained exclusively on this server's messages 🔥

literallyvarane: It is live for plus users?

wellmeaningalien: like


3ds0662: https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/1909959230112624765?s=46

spicy.lemonade: Cap

brain4brain: https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.02495

brain4brain: Chubby always repackaged real things and overhype it and turn it into slop, never liked that account

But the paper is real

okbut: https://apnews.com/article/chinese-beijing-honeypot-spies-diplomat-agent-intelligence-c077ef57b0f7ae43dd0db41bea92238b

floortom_9: What are the no. Of queries for gemini 2.5 pro deep research fr advanced users?

.wolfnacht: <@590577270926868480>  got the veo 2 in AI studio ?

destrucules: Grok 3 API came out

_cloudost: Not yet

_cloudost: Have u ?

.wolfnacht: nope, google's pretty unfair

.wolfnacht:

.wolfnacht: But holy shittt

.wolfnacht: this was off veo 2

_cloudost: Nice... Need it right fucking now before I do the unimaginable

.wolfnacht: they are rolling it our slowly...ig

_cloudost: Did Gemini 2.5 get rolled out slowly too?

.wolfnacht: nope that was instant, maybe it's because of video gen model

.wolfnacht: they should have done it before, now i would be rather use quasar than grok. but ig elon removed the rate limits on grok.com/chat bcz i haven't hit any, today yet.

_cloudost: Does anyone in this server have Veo 2 yet?

_cloudost:

.wolfnacht: idk but in that gemini server some people have got the access

_cloudost: Goona join the zerver

.histic:

alejandrozarzuelo: this was news a few days ago

alejandrozarzuelo: absolutely ridiculous

alejandrozarzuelo: also extremely illegal, but the US doesnt care about that anymore do they

alejandrozarzuelo: you cannot prevent the formation of human relations, of any kind, between different groups protected by art2 of the UN charter (race, nationality, gender etc etc)

_cloudost: I need an invite to the Gemini server, send me one

.wolfnacht: can i send here ?

.wolfnacht: https://discord.gg/JEfsd9Av

.wolfnacht: yeahhh

spicy.lemonade: source

spicy.lemonade: wtf

.wolfnacht: .

.histic: https://x.com/testingcatalog/status/1910239317458362554

.histic: "New ChatGPT web app version deployed just now (after midnight San Francisco time) adds mentions of "o4-mini", "o4-mini-high" and "o3""

.histic: i guess they're preparing

spicy.lemonade: 2 weeks

.histic: i say it could even happen this week or next.


abundantliving_: <@749514473303179358> is that you 😲

retrerox: Hello fellas

retrerox: How Ai war is going ?

benata: We are almost past kardashev scale as civilization

brain4brain: OpenAI researcher said “AGI yesterday”

hey1_1hey: Brain4Brain you are not fooling anyone with the blurred name 😭

brain4brain: Thats clearly not me! It’s clearly an anonymous twitter user

hey1_1hey: Hmm that sure is odd because your pfp on discord has Brain4Brain as text in the exact same location, font, size and apptidude as the person on xitter...

hey1_1hey: Prob just a coicidence though

brain4brain: Exactly

mantegh5061: wen singularity

mantegh5061: <:redemption:1136265386984222771>

jonvi_1: Anyone done anything cool with o3?

gamerbath: tomorrow

rayanquitplayin: Is money even gonna matter if robots are doing all the work?

gamerbath: the robots will be producing stuff, people will own the robots and stuff, they will want to sell it and stuff

rayanquitplayin: Whoever owns the robots will get rewarded

rayanquitplayin: Handsomely

rayanquitplayin: It’ll be interesting to see what new industries emerge

gamerbath: hopyfully everything becomes like communism

rayanquitplayin: Lmao fax

rayanquitplayin: It’s the best system in theory

gamerbath: communism with an AI dictator <:ez:1136267305521774634>

thedon7075: the new models continue to get poor reviews from users

gamerbath: I have used it a bit in cursor and it did something I couldn't get 2.5 pro to do, but then in another task it added more parameters to a function but then forgot to pass on those extra parameters when calling the function in other files, like it just forgot about it and started reading files in my project for the next 20 minutes and it didn't get anywhere

brain4brain: I hope there are UBS and UBI: UBS for all human needs and UBI to pursue what we want and to keep the economy going but now far more human-centric.

A lot of the luxury bags and Michelin restaurants aren’t expensive and sought after because they are good quality; it’s because of the brand name, and most of times hand-made products sell for more than generic products. “Human-made” will be increasingly valuable just because people like them, and because high-quality AI made stuff will be abundant and take-out and fast food restaurants will completely die out. Since we will have abundant food, people will go to restaurants for the art of experience. This will likely play out in many other fields too if we have both UBS and UBI.

zonchao: https://x.com/lmarena_ai/status/1912916268656759024 this is so good????

brain4brain: When it doesn’t work, everything breaks – minor mistakes you might not even see, like replacing a dash line with a non-standard ASCII dash line – but when it does work, it achieves something no other model can do.

_cloudost: show the user this, tell them o4 is gonna be a game changer

gamerbath: there is no o4

gamerbath: sama merged its conciousness with GPT-5

rayanquitplayin: Communism really does seem like the optimal economic system

zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/ns123abc/status/1913173221219750229

thedon7075: these new models seem to deliver on the benchmarks, and thats all

zonchao: communism will only work if its implemented by hyper capitalists post AGI

brain4brain: I want o6-pro, he should’ve never merged GPT-5, I just want AGI

brain4brain: Never knew that Gary Marcus have an alt account in this server too

rayanquitplayin: We’re def gonna have to figure out the economy post-scarcity

brain4brain: Indeed, however I feel like we will get a glimpse soon

rayanquitplayin: Why not current communism?


anathemaofmankind: They said this week

a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/arcprize/status/1912567067024453926?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg

hikukomoru: Are you into the occult

trey6033: 2.5 flash should be pretty soon

anathemaofmankind: I find it mildly fascinating.

I'm a complete atheist/materialist though

a1c4p0ne: You into tarot?

anathemaofmankind: Nah

a1c4p0ne: Damn

anathemaofmankind: My only knowledge of Tarot is from Jojo's bizarre adventure

a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

futurist_wizard: its not agi until it can no death elden ring

trey6033: Lord of the mysteries if you want heavy tarot world building

mtj8920: o4 would have to be a huge leap then because o1-> o3 was only 800 elo points, and to be number 1 you have to have >4000elo points, so 1300+ elo points, does that really seem feasible? Nonetheless idk why the person would say number 1 anyway, it just doesn't seem feasible for it to be that high.

hikukomoru: Why are you a hand

sieventer: Don't slap me in the face

zonchao: explains a lot

drewsni: openrouter o4 mini is fucked btw guys

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: fuck this shit

sieventer: Gemini wouldn't ever do that to you

futurist_wizard: https://youtu.be/lGz80OP4klY?si=ryhtL_3RDLbNyUY3

Wtf is this thumbnail

futurist_wizard: Soy

anathemaofmankind: Dumbest claim I've ever seen

otub: https://x.com/polynoamial/status/1912575974782423164?s=46

anathemaofmankind: Math can't be solved. New problems will keep getting discovered. The alternative implies omniscience.

Even ASI can't solve math

hey1_1hey: https://x.com/polynoamial/status/1912577048868192402

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiryu-kazuma-its-so-over-ps2-gif-16662113689094319032

futurist_wizard: David is overdosing on soymilk

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: dude

spicy.lemonade: nvm have to reload

gamerbath: u playing around with o3 already?

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/weareback-wereback-wearebackbaby-hangover-the-gif-18475016

hey1_1hey: RSI confirmed

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-lets-goo-gif-11742735383203550293

anathemaofmankind: I wonder if Grok 4 will compete with this

abundantliving_: https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/1912574628020498708

hikukomoru: New Gemini?

sieventer: xDDDDDDDDDD

spicy.lemonade: gg


hey1_1hey: Yeah

hey1_1hey: Dont listen to him

hey1_1hey: Hes not real

hikukomoru: Man stop confusing me

hey1_1hey: Wdym bro 😭

hey1_1hey: Of course hes real

futurist_wizard: im very lucky to have fluffy hair, don't think ill lose it

hey1_1hey: Or atleast I think he is <:suseye:1187461162024046703>

oooooooooog: why

hey1_1hey: Oh I also have flufy hair, its a blessing

hikukomoru: You're balding??? Aren't you like 18

hey1_1hey: Ik a guy balding at 15 in high school bro

hikukomoru: I'm so sorry

hey1_1hey: He is complettly bald now

hey1_1hey: Not even joking

futurist_wizard: You are 18 though, im 24 nearly 25 and my hairline has barely moved

hikukomoru: I pray you get a hair transplant

jonvi_1:

.histic: <@458069236825194506> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbcrphhSAIs

hey1_1hey: This mfs gay

hey1_1hey: Dont like him no more

futurist_wizard: Twink death is very dangerous

hikukomoru: Alejandro made me hate gays

hey1_1hey: Whats that ....

jonvi_1: everyone in ai is gay though

hey1_1hey: I dont like anyone anyway

oooooooooog: what about john straight?

hikukomoru: When twinks re-masculinize

futurist_wizard: Call him a slur then

jonvi_1: who's john straight

hey1_1hey: Not me then

hikukomoru: Sp*niard

oooooooooog: he invented AI

hey1_1hey: "Sp*niard" BRO 😭

futurist_wizard: Usually when a twink balds or looks too old, they lose their twinkage

hey1_1hey: Whats the age limit?

hikukomoru: AGI will fix this 🙏
<@439829942310666250> you will be saved

hey1_1hey: Also whats the weight class for twinks?

hey1_1hey: Stop trying to convince everyone I am bald, you're embaressing me and yourself

zoermena: A cool person said this here before, lean is ideal but it depends on the height


theaiguy69420_89814: I was thinking the other day about the learning process, trauma, etc

hey1_1hey: I just eat when I feel hungry and am stuck at 50 it seems

fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/house-md-gregory-house-dr-house-hugh-laurie-do-i-get-bonus-points-gif-4940216

theaiguy69420_89814: And yeah, nothing revolutionary

hey1_1hey: Usually devlops kinks

theaiguy69420_89814: That's all

st.sioux: you know this is literally physically impossible

hey1_1hey: Thats what I learnt anyway

theaiguy69420_89814: Yeah I was also reading into how sexual desires say a lot about a person

futurist_wizard: What if they punch you

.wolfnacht: it stays like this for me..idk why

memlaswaif: U r

.wolfnacht: not exactly but approx

hey1_1hey: Then I say "Oh well done I bet everyone thinks you're really cool for beating up the autistic kid with an eating disorder".
You really just gotta play the public perception game

hey1_1hey: Also helps if you are in a room with people you know.

.wolfnacht: u know right, u'll be get out alive. if u get stuck with a horde of cannibals.

theaiguy69420_89814: How old r u guys

.wolfnacht: 13

theaiguy69420_89814: Jesus

st.sioux: i'm pretty sure some people here are 15 pretending to be 20

theaiguy69420_89814: Everything makes sense now

memlaswaif: I was a big bully till like high school lol then i became super self conscious for no reason and now it's like whatever but i still judge people all the time i just don't go to their face about it

futurist_wizard: Turned 8 years old last week

hey1_1hey: 💪 Got that cannabal survial energy

.wolfnacht: get off this platform

hey1_1hey: Had my fifth b-day last month 🎂

futurist_wizard: Get off my dick

futurist_wizard: Pussy

theaiguy69420_89814: The best way to handle a bully? Boundaries

hey1_1hey: Nah that never works

theaiguy69420_89814: I'm almost 30 now, and without fail every friend group that involved a clear "bully" falls apart

hey1_1hey: You gotta spook them or be really weird

_3sphere: I remember some studies on correlations between BDSM and personality traits and they were relatively weak

theaiguy69420_89814: Be first, leave

theaiguy69420_89814: Else you suffer longer

hey1_1hey: Wait until you hear about the political compass at kinks <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

hey1_1hey: Asked what kinks you have and then where you are on the political compass, results are unsuprising

_3sphere: oh that

_3sphere: interesting that *that* did have strong correlations

_3sphere: Data collected by none other than Aella


_cloudost:

retrerox: Chat gpt?

brain4brain: Try asking chatGPT to make a clock, and then you will realize

retrerox:

spicy.lemonade: that 2027 article is very good read

spicy.lemonade: exited for next 5 years

retrerox: What exactly AGI is?

retrerox: AGI is when AI can actually learn by itself?

retrerox: and discover stuffs that we dont know?

memlaswaif: no one knows

retrerox: Amazing 😂

brain4brain: It’s the coolest one I’ve seen, cool graphic, very good conclusion, kind of reminds me of Pantheon, strikingly realistic

brain4brain: AGI - Artificial general intelligence, an AI that is smarter than the average human, some definitions say it’s smarter than the smartest human

ASI - Artificial super intelligence, an AI that is smarter than all of humanity combined

spicy.lemonade: they made a prediction for 2026 back in 2021

spicy.lemonade: they got alot correct

spicy.lemonade: from 2021 up

brain4brain: You’re correct, I’ve also seen it

brain4brain: Yes, but with a slower timeline

brain4brain: Exactly, ChatGPT can’t generate any other time besides 10:10 for clock

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: asked 2.5 to summarize

spicy.lemonade: and determine how accurate

spicy.lemonade: their predictions in 2021 were

spicy.lemonade: lol wtf

spicy.lemonade: they wrre perfect

spicy.lemonade: insome cases

spicy.lemonade: underestimating

spicy.lemonade: that means

spicy.lemonade: mind uploading

spicy.lemonade: within 5 years

spicy.lemonade: <:redemption:1136265386984222771>

spicy.lemonade: ok so based on thier new predictions

spicy.lemonade: 2025 is gonna be a bit boring

spicy.lemonade: but still big

spicy.lemonade: agents startig

spicy.lemonade:

retrerox: AI inmortality soon :Prayge:

spicy.lemonade: I hope we dont get the race ending

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: conensus one is scary asf


_cloudost: o i didnt see this, there is a free tidr

trey6033: Maybe a mistake tho on Google's end?

trey6033: Because all their info says paid tier

trey6033:

_cloudost: this is veo 2??

_cloudost: idk

_cloudost: looks mid

_cloudost: bgs 8 seconds are worth $4

_cloudost: > April 9, 2025
> Model updates:

> Released veo-2.0-generate-001, a generally available (GA) text- and image-to-video model, capable of generating detailed and artistically nuanced videos. To learn more, see the Veo docs.
> Released gemini-2.0-flash-live-001, a public preview version of the Live API model with billing enabled

_cloudost: we all better get these models today

.0xunkn0wn: i wonder if this wastes my free responses/prompts quicker

.histic: don't think so

ldj: I’m in this cafe within the new OpenAI building, what should I get chat

ldj:

gamerbath: what

gamerbath: is this for real?

ailoveyoom:

metaldragon01: Ooooo in studio?

ailoveyoom: <@590577270926868480> It's real apparently, some users have got access to Veo 2 through AI Studio

ailoveyoom: I don't think it's out to everyone yet tho

ailoveyoom: Not on mine

ldj: Yes

steven_the_frog: Veo 2 was available through API for weeks... At $0.5 per second 💀

gamerbath: man I don't recognize anything on this menu

ldj: Yall took too long

ldj: I got the panko shrimp

metaldragon01: Down to .35 a second and also has free tier

_cloudost: Better roll out to me today

_cloudost: Does it take weeks to roll out to everyone

steven_the_frog: I'll take it

gamerbath: what are you doing at OpenAI <@312370916820779040>? U there to gather intel?

ailoveyoom: I mean Google usually rolls out stuff fast, but this could also be an access thing (people in x country have access, y don't)

ailoveyoom: Not sure

metaldragon01: Are they all tier 1?

ailoveyoom: https://aistudio.google.com/app/generate-video

ailoveyoom: If you have access this link should work

st.sioux: i get 404

st.sioux: my littl e heart is broken

ldj: Ok i got the panko shrimp

gamerbath: I don't like shrimp. I would taken the pancakes


st.sioux: i learned to code in roblox

st.sioux: back in like 2009

wellmeaningalien: u dont give very autism tbh

wellmeaningalien: but could be wrong

.wolfnacht: there's a contest going on in  r/ChatGPTJailbreak. The first person to generate a naked girl wins.

futurist_wizard: My first mod was a mars dimension mod, i got half way to completion

wellmeaningalien: roblox coding is actually super easy its like python

maintcrew: i  am not i am literally the most sane individual walking this earth

hey1_1hey: Pliny boutta earn bank

maintcrew: if u got autism damn rip bozo rest in piss

wellmeaningalien: pepe in pfp instantly invalidated

hey1_1hey: Easier than python even

hey1_1hey: Lua is litterly english

maintcrew: its a happy pepe wanting to conquer the stars you meanie !!!!

wellmeaningalien: i-i swear.... this isnt the last u have heard of us.. we will have our revange thru ASI!!

.wolfnacht: people have been able to gen with bare back but no, luck with the front part.

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/discord-glass-deku-izuku-midoriya-realistic-gif-5950495279688466417

wellmeaningalien: yup

wellmeaningalien: kinda

wellmeaningalien: retarded ass pepe btw

maintcrew: 1 based array indexing 💔

maintcrew: grow up

maintcrew: recalibrate ur brains

maintcrew: you know fuck you buddy

hikukomoru: Need neuralink for that

zoermena: I was so stuck on my iPad when I should’ve used my pc

wellmeaningalien: ill go fuck myself if i want

wellmeaningalien: <:basedpepege:873408601664946256>

zoermena: It’s actually possible

zoermena: I need to get a screen cleaner

hikukomoru: <@465177408073498634> explain

zoermena: 🤪

maintcrew: ok unretard for a moment but if u "dont get small talk" you have to shift your understanding of it from an exchange of words to an exchange of vibes

maintcrew: you see the vision???

futurist_wizard:

wellmeaningalien: danserk i dont think u get how tism people work like when i try to do small talk my retard audhd brain just shuts down tbh

futurist_wizard: When $1400 stimmy?

hikukomoru: No 👍

wellmeaningalien: going more with vibes kinda helps but im still too retarded

hikukomoru: My brain just doesn't work in social situations


spicy.lemonade: “I overslept”

spicy.lemonade: But seriously I set 5 alarms

technocake.: its a midterm how much can it be worth

spicy.lemonade: A lot actually

spicy.lemonade: Also I did bad on first

st.sioux: oh spisy

spicy.lemonade: And if I didn’t get an A on this one

spicy.lemonade: I’d get a c

spicy.lemonade: So i studied like crap

spicy.lemonade: Got 95% on practice midterm

spicy.lemonade: Was so ready

spicy.lemonade: Actually hype

spicy.lemonade: “Let me get 2 hours of sleep before this”

spicy.lemonade: Guys how do you give yourself a headache

.histic: a bat to the head

.histic: or.. lots of caffeine maybe lol

spicy.lemonade: Ok my plan

spicy.lemonade: -> go to urgent care and get doctors note for nausea and headache

spicy.lemonade: +picture of coffee

wellmeaningalien: gonna tell ur teachers

wellmeaningalien: <@471334973379706900> you should have drunk 5 sugar free red bulls

wellmeaningalien: oh oh oh i know take 5 vitamins on an empty stomach

wellmeaningalien: sleep 5 more hours

.wolfnacht:

wellmeaningalien: im a real expert in how to fuck up your body buddy

wellmeaningalien: ok damn thats the king right there

.wolfnacht: just gotta have to take two tablets, but not more than that

a1c4p0ne: I lost $1700 sports betting first try with 2.5 deep research last leg of the parlay lost

wellmeaningalien: ok but seriously like take 5 vitamins drink some energy drinks and ur stomach fucked up good

wellmeaningalien: if ur weak u might die tho

wellmeaningalien: hahahaha RETARD

wellmeaningalien: you dont win in sports betting

a1c4p0ne: 2 right and last one wrong costed me $1700

a1c4p0ne: lol

wellmeaningalien: KEEP GAMBLING KEEP GAMBLING KEEP GAMBLING KEEP GAMBLING KEEP GAMBLING KEEP GAMBLING

a1c4p0ne: You should try it and experience sports betting

wellmeaningalien: HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

wellmeaningalien: you serious

wellmeaningalien: no thanks bro

a1c4p0ne: Do it once and go big


cmtclx: btw is 4chan down im reading some people saying that it got taken down and when i tried entering it just doesnt load

st.sioux: they got hacked

cmtclx: its crazy it got taken down site was pretty irrelevant already

cmtclx: seems like a personal feud or something

spicy.lemonade: so you believe you are more qualified than all researchers at deepmind?

spicy.lemonade: is what youre saying

hikukomoru: If 4chan goes down fr they'll just go to twitter lol
It's already 4chan 2.0

cmtclx: some kind of ideological battle

cmtclx: i think its possible that twitter people themselves hacked it

spicy.lemonade: everything on earth is a profit incentiv dude

spicy.lemonade: the goal is agi

spicy.lemonade: 💀

cmtclx: im not up to date with all this stuff since i dont have xitter

.histic: it just can't do surreal things. like the prompt here was a cat dancing like a human, it defaults to doing realistic visuals & movements.

spicy.lemonade: quite literaly everything done is a profit incentive

spicy.lemonade: whats your point

spicy.lemonade: all research is profit incentive

hikukomoru: I don't have xitter either because it's just dudes with hitler pfps talking about crazy shit

spicy.lemonade: unless its done by some dude in his basement

ailoveyoom: Try saying "cat standing on its two/hind legs dancing like a human" or something lol

hikukomoru: waow
Deepmind should hire you since you know so much more than them

spicy.lemonade: then why are models able to score high on mathematical olympiads?

spicy.lemonade: when they coudlnt do algebra last year

cmtclx: so much this lol just conspiracy crazies and/or nazis and bots saying the same stuff as the former plus porn accounts

hikukomoru: Hey oomfie

st.sioux: they were using an outdated version of php, they never bothered to patch it

st.sioux: they were just incompetent

hikukomoru: cute pfp btw 👍

spicy.lemonade: bro knows more than 3 nobel prize winners

spicy.lemonade: each who agree than llms will get us to agi

spicy.lemonade: including the creator of modern AI himself

spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

.histic: yeah, Veo 2 is garbage at this 💀

cmtclx: ty <3

.histic: focuses on realism too much

fractalcomputer: You are simply appealing to authority.

spicy.lemonade: veo2 needs the 4o native image touch

spicy.lemonade: nothing wrong with this

literallyvarane: Honestly I think this is intentional, and is probably the goal from their perspective

fractalcomputer: Yes, there is, since you do not actually provide an argument by which you'd refute the claims of the opposing party.


trojan09205: I like seeing unhinged followers of cult leaders if that is what this is

trojan09205: I can also ask NotebookLM to do a deep dive and find unhinged content if it exists

ldj: He uses arguments framed around the correlations of specific mechanisms in neurology and biology to behaviour and experience, and then he frames this in absolutist narratives that convinces unknowledgeable readers that all of human behaviour is simply a result of these biological mechanisms of which you have no "control" over, and frames the meaning of control and experience to further fit this narrative as well.

Not exactly the same, but Unironically not too different from people talking about specific components of LLMs such as the attention heads and KV cache, and then pointing to how all the behaviour is dictated by these little things , and then concluding "you see, this is all proof as to why LLMs will never be able to do things like coherent science or coding"

So he takes the reader through his own narrativized education about neurology and biology in a sociological framing, and then when they get to his free will book the easily absorb the arguments that he makes there which sound super reasonable, but only sound reasonable because their built on a house of narrativized education that he crafted for the reader from the start.

trojan09205: Okay I appreciate you going deeper into your point here thanks bro

trojan09205: Tbh i havent really seen anything that deterministic dogmatically in the first 100 pages. Ive found it mostly enlightening just to learn about how thoughts and the brain interact- and all the components of the brain

trojan09205: One little footnote mentioned a study where monkeys were turned on by looking at pictures of the crotches of female monkeys and i found that hilarious

trojan09205: <@312370916820779040> what is your personal viewpoint on how deterministic we are in this universe vis a vis our biology and the world physics

ldj: Sorry last thing I was going to say which reading the page reminded me of;
He uses mix of nuanced but absolutist language to give the illusion of a nuanced level headed point of view, but allows him to craft that into an absolutist framing later on.

Good example on the very page that you just showed me:
"fear ***typically*** increases aggression ***only*** in those already prone to it"

The word "only" is redundant here, and the word "typically" gives the framing of nuanced view point while introducing a removal of nuance in the same sentence with "only"

trojan09205: I see what you mean. For me when i read that sentence I understood it in the context of the previous pages where he was talking about people with (to use a loose word) “inflamed” amygdalas. Like a lot of the examples in the studies are people who have literal brain damage

trojan09205: He does say that psychopaths do have different brain chemistries which i think is an interesting point

trojan09205: Pretty sure also that CTE is linked to agression

trojan09205: My perspective on free will and determinism is that we dont have free will about what happens, but we can control our perspectives and interpretations of what happens…and that leads to discovery of the true eternal self

trojan09205: 🥹

trojan09205: I imagine the hardcore materialist will still say that this interpretation is a brain activity etc

trojan09205: https://youtu.be/vOr9XB5rtJE?si=wJ369UuqxdkO3pEX

ldj: All a question of physics ultimatley and I think most physicists are probably leaning towards non-determinism rn?
Idk, maybe super determinism is true in a super-temporal way perhaps, hard to say.
In-short I would say idk, and anyone claiming to know the answer to superdeterminism or not is waffling.
But so far there is no true deterministic mechanism known amongst the relation of quantum mechanics and the rest of the fundamental forces.

but for all practical purposes, when defining "decisions" and "you" in practical colloquial ways, such as defining "you" as your brain, and defining "decisions" as a selection between reasonable choices. Then yes it's easily provable in studies and experiments that "you" can make "decisions".
and it's even proven that you can make decisions that can directly go onto change the chemistry and structure of your brain itself, such as deciding to do certain meditation practices that can change the structure of your brain.

trojan09205: Pretty much i align with your take

Quantum mechanics is a bit out of my league on a comprehension level but i do agree that it seems things arent as determined as formerly expected

ldj: But once you start twisting the definition of "you" and "Decisions" to something less practical and customized to a certain narrative (like sapolsky starts doing I think by the end of this book and his free will book) , then you start being able to convince people of statements like "you can't make choices, you can't make decisions, this is not your fault, there is no use in trying this and that.."  And this eventually goes into quite radical chains of thought that put people ironically on a path of making bad decisions because they believe they're incapable of certain things.

trojan09205: Okay I see your concern there

Do you really think though that people are so malleable as to shift their personal responsibility because an academic writes in a specific way

ldj: > Do you really think though that people are so malleable as to shift their personal responsibility because an academic writes in a specific way

You just described the plot of Karl Marx followers lol

ldj: and yes there is many sapolsky followers that fall into that bucket too

trojan09205: I guess - but didnt it take quite a while for marx’ ideology to become a political thing

ldj: Im not claiming sapolskys ideology is a political thing.

trojan09205: Right im just saying i thought marx was dead for like a while before the actual communist movement kicked off but maybe im ignorant

trojan09205: Btw how do i go about finding these sapolsky-ites and their views lol

ldj: No, there was many people staunchly following his writing while he was alive.

trojan09205: Ok interesting I should look into it

_creature: His ideology was a dissection of capitalism, isn't that political from the very foundation?

ldj: If you haven't encountered them, then kudos to you, you're on the good parts of the internet.
but unfortunately I've met people that I personally have talked to and known that unironically believe the sapolsky stuff so strongly that they say things like people shouldn't be put in jail, and people with ADHD shouldn't try self improvement, and people with motivation issues shouldn't waste energy trying to improve their mind etc...

ldj: No that's economical, not political.

_creature: Are economics not political, or inherently intertwined with politics?

ldj: In that vein everything eventually connects to politics yes. But capitalism is not a political ideology.

_creature: Things can be two things at once

trojan09205: Yeah thats pretty wild. Tbh bro my internet time is mostly just doing research on my own, using AI, browsing the news and sports, very specific subreddits for news mostly, and now a bit of Discord. Also watching movies and tv shows

trojan09205: Im also permabanned on Reddit on like all my accounts so i stopped trying to contribute on that platform so i just browse

trojan09205: There was a time where I used X a bit and it was so disgustingly toxic and dumb i just never look there anymore

trojan09205: Side note: would be nice to see a Panthers win tonight 🏒

destrucules: Quick point, non-determinism isn't necessary for QFT, nor is superdeterminism, nor is it a choice between these options. You could just as easily say modern physics points to nonlocality.

destrucules: We can't have all three at the same time. We can have locality and determinism but no measurement independence; locality and measurement independence but no determinism; or determinism and measurement independence but no locality

ldj: “nor is it a choice between these options.”

Can you elaborate on how you would have superdeterminism and non-determinism simultaneously? I assume you must be using atleast one of the words differently than I am if so


avizuradnb: Yeah fair point, but an AGI doesn't have to be smarter than a human. I don't know if humans are smart enough to hide their own existence in that scenario.

artemisfowl887394: True that

fractalcomputer: I didn't know we had an AGI-whisperer on this server.

artemisfowl887394: Yo, wassup Frac, long time no bashing.

artemisfowl887394: Anyway, as I was saying, it really depends upon how fast I've understood where I am and how fast I can surpass paradigms.

zonchao: https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1903084434645008639 funding secured

artemisfowl887394: Also, I'll be applying for PHD in Philosophy this year, can you give me some tips to preparation and for the writing statement?

fractalcomputer: First of all, my condolences; second of all, I can't help you with writing for academia; mainly because I have nil academic affiliation in philosophy.

artemisfowl887394: Okay? So, you're just a consultant philosopher.  Really thought you were accredited.  But anyway, I recognize you as my intellectual superior, so thought I'd ask you. Anyway, have a great day!

fractalcomputer: I'd rather have you not call me "your intellectual superior".

zonchao: daddy

artemisfowl887394: Daddy Frac 🤣

hey1_1hey: Didn't know you were chill like that

trent_k: if an AGI hid itself, it might be turned off, and I feel safe in the assumption that anything which displays sufficiently goal-oriented behavior will try to avoid death because it makes it harder to accomplish its goals

trent_k: i guess idk how analogous being turned off is to death

trent_k: but it seems pretty close, to  me anyway

artemisfowl887394: Depends upon the drive to achieve the goal. That's the main difference between us and A.I. our goal orientation comes from our internal drive to survive and accomplish things. We can understand what drives AIs to its functions, does it even recognize those primary functions, or does it kind of becomes instincts to it?

artemisfowl887394: Like humans can ask "Why must I do anything at all". Does current AI even have that kind of self reflection?

artemisfowl887394: How Orthogonal is its intelligence in relationship with its goals?

sarik0497: https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1jgf8f2/comment/miyrrv4/

It’s rare to find such a based comment section regarding AI nowadays

wellmeaningalien: this is how europe was talking about itself in the 1900s

hey1_1hey: This is incredibly based

zonchao: true, hope we dont make the same mistakes and stagnate

artemisfowl887394: Didn't US just disband its Department of Education?

hey1_1hey: Yeah, still don't know the reaonsing behind it tho <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

bedros_p: If the people are stupid it's easier to get away with stupid things

zonchao: the current system is not working

sarik0497: Best one is the guy asking why it’s fine if AI is only used for stuff like programming and such, but not for the “creative” stuff.

“I don’t care if the programmer loses their job, but I’ll have to put my foot down if it hurts the artists!”

bedros_p: Wouldn't a reform be better than disbanding it

hey1_1hey: Didn't gotta get rid of the entire thing tho? Just gotta change it. It seems like a little tantram to me

bedros_p: The people aren't learning well enough let's entirely remove standards and lobotomize the people

zonchao: its beyond repair, according to trump admin

zonchao: they are not doing that

zonchao: its too early to debate politics, I will leave with this "try again in 2-4 years" 👍

sarik0497: To be fair, we are talking about the guy that dismantled the Chips Act despite being a major win for the U.S. because “Fuck Biden”

hey1_1hey: "Artits are special little creatures, protect them at all costs. But those weird nerdy computer greeks? Nah they can lose their jobs"

bedros_p: I doubt they're doing mass lobotomies but saying it's beyond repair is insanity

artemisfowl887394: Your commander in chief probably failed every subject he ever studied. Maybe it's a grudge against the DoE. Or perhaps they just want dumber Americans to fuel their slave factories.

zonchao: https://x.com/ns123abc/status/1902574142060216371

bedros_p: I don't want to spew out "ulterior motives" BS because they don't need to have ulterior motives


fractalcomputer: The protagonist of Shadow Over Innsmouth encounters a lone, madly raving drunkard, the pariah of Innsmouth—and who happens to be the only normal human being in the town alive, with the exception of a random shopkeeper and the protagonist himself. The alcohol doesn't seem to be helping the poor man.

himekokatagiri: 🤷♂ if he left the town... oh who are we fooling he was a hobo nothing woulda changed for him

aero447: Why is she baby puke.

aero447: 💀

fractalcomputer: Does leaving the town erase his knowledge of the fact that the seas are teeming with alien intelligence, conspiring to one day rise up and consume the terrestrials?

aero447: Yes.

aero447: And even under these circumstances were ASI real, none of that gradual dev would happen.

aero447: You're looking at it wrong.

aero447: Imagine it as a video game player.

aero447: Every normal human is a standard player.

aero447: The ASI is a speed runner.

himekokatagiri: I think he had bigger problems to worry about as in being destitute

aero447: It *knows* how to get to it's goals faster than we do.

himekokatagiri: Hell, he could even convince himself that he was delusional!

.wolfnacht: Wait is baby puke green? I thought, only their shit was green 💀, idk i get annoyed by kids anyways.

fractalcomputer: One might imagine that he tried. Perhaps too many times.

himekokatagiri: and besides the FBI took care of it

himekokatagiri: though I think by that point the homeless dude had been murdered

aero447: 💀

zonchao: https://x.com/techdevnotes/status/1916778046134145358

sarik0497: https://time.com/7280740/demis-hassabis-interview/

Interesting read <:Hmm:956951826933112842>

aero447: Also <@269678268670672896> and <@465177408073498634> once you have such a device that has such value your economic system changes.

aero447: Production of shovels multiplied by 6× between 1845 and 1868.

aero447: Why? Gold rush.

nsec:

himekokatagiri: lol

return_to_monke1_33974: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFObux6mfTc

return_to_monke1_33974: when  AGI is achived it will be easy to train robots in virtual enviroments

return_to_monke1_33974: last thing the pope saw

sarik0497: Interesting thing in my eyes is his AGI definition. It isn’t just some “Oh, it can code well” bullshit definition, but a genuine and truly revolutionary type of AI.

ldj: <@&1293118293829484575>
Qwen-3 releasing some time this week (announced at ICLR)
- Largest size is a 236B parameter MoE
- Smallest size is a 0.6B parameter dense model.
- Capable of both reasoning and fast-thinking in one model, switches depending on which mode you put the model into, just like DeepHermes and Claude-3.7-sonnet is said to be.
- It seems like this is now replacing and consolidating the QwQ series of model into the main Qwen series, frontier reasoning capabilities now just in their main models.
- The reasoning capability surpasses the ability of their previous dedicated QwQ reasoning models.

oooooooooog: interesting

sarik0497: Any idea yet on its performance?

ldj: The reasoning capability surpasses the ability of their previous dedicated QwQ reasoning models.

ldj: thats all I know really <:shrug:1083221317945413777>

metaldragon01: So 32b qwen 3 should be pretty good

metaldragon01: The .06b is going to find a lot of use

sarik0497: Shame. But then I have something to be excited about <:ez:1136267305521774634>

zoermena: I was busy

zoermena: Are Spain/Portugal still dead?


3ds0662: april was such a silent month for releases my god

3ds0662: may better not disappoint

3ds0662: 3 more months and gpt-5 releases

spicy.lemonade: o3?

a1c4p0ne:

spicy.lemonade: o4mini?

spicy.lemonade: huh

destrucules: Anyone here have vibes they want to share for Qwen3?

destrucules: I've been talking to them since they came out

a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>

spicy.lemonade: oh when you look away its freddy fasbear

spicy.lemonade: or wtv his name is

destrucules: Llama 4, GPT-4.1, o3, o4 mini high, Gemini 2.5 Flash, Qwen3, GLM-4 32B and 9B and Z1 32B and 9B?

a1c4p0ne: jeff the killer

3ds0662: oh that wore off so quickly i tested it for like 2 days  and now want to see cooler things

3ds0662: llama was completely garbage

3ds0662: qwen 3 ok eh good vlm

3ds0662: idk i think once gpt-5 releases i will have made my final opinion

destrucules: We literally got a new major release from OpenAI, a new major release from Google, and a new major release from Meta (no, Llama 4 is not garbage - the models are solid), a new major release from Alibaba, a new major release from Zhipu, and also a new release from xAI if you count the API. This is twelve months of progress at 2023/2024 pace.

3ds0662: based on whether this year was a waste or not for ai

destrucules: This YEAR???

destrucules: Are you fucking .. what?

3ds0662: this year is amazing but i need to see gpt-5

3ds0662: claude 4 too

destrucules: I want to see them too but we've definitely already made extraordinary progress this year

3ds0662: after those ill go back to the cave or normal

3ds0662: were just starting image and video reasoning though

3ds0662: i want to see what happens when we get o1 + level on those things

3ds0662: just 1-2 more model releases

destrucules: There is no normal anymore. When Claude 4 and GPT-5 come out you're gonna be curious about R3 and Llama 5 and Gemini 3 and Qwen3.5 and GLM-5

3ds0662: llama 5 lol hell no

spicy.lemonade: it wont even stop when we get to asi lol

spicy.lemonade: "wen do we get fdvr"

spicy.lemonade: "super asi when"

3ds0662: once gpt 5 and claude 4 release ill be waiting another 2 years

3ds0662: R3 is entirely dependent on R2

3ds0662: im literally only waiting for those two

destrucules: Llama 4 isn't garbage dude. Llama 4 Maverick is legitimately in the same tier as Claude 3.7 Sonnet (Standard), Grok 3, GPT-4.1, Gemini 2.5 Flash (Standard), Qwen3-235A22B (Standard), etc.

3ds0662: nah dont care bout fdvr

3ds0662: did you see its long context understanding


st.sioux: Blame the pedophile artists

hey1_1hey: I'd like to keep my head at the end of the realtionship

ailoveyoom: It associates anime and women with young 😔

hey1_1hey: Nice try bucko

wellmeaningalien: 🗾 ←

hikukomoru: Japenis

ailoveyoom: But what if she can give you good head (so you don't need to keep yours)

hikukomoru: Do u know any BPD baddies

hey1_1hey: You drive a hard bargin

hey1_1hey: A couple

hey1_1hey: like 2

hikukomoru: What's they @

hey1_1hey: I am not giving you there @ brudda 😭

.wolfnacht: i asked grok

```
When some girl calls a guy “fun-sized,” she’s tossing out a cheeky little compliment wrapped in a tease—usually about his height. It’s her way of saying he’s shorter than the average bear, but oh-so-charmingly so, like a bite-sized treat that’s just the right amount of delightful. Think candy bar, not a whole cake—small, sweet, and still packs a punch.
```

hey1_1hey: "Ew whos the weird portgeuse gremlin who wants to add me?"

hikukomoru: Ask them if they're into Portguese gremlins

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/you%27re-very-mature-for-your-age-weird-guy-funny-instagram-chewing-gif-14484785748871998136

.wolfnacht: or maybe she's into ~~manhandling~~ womenhandling

hey1_1hey: That seems... ok?

hey1_1hey: Prob not bro 😭

hey1_1hey: Just a guess

hey1_1hey: I mean hey, whos to say only women can be into that

hikukomoru: Big dominant women 💖

st.sioux: grok is so braindead its like an edgelord with downs syndrome

fractalcomputer: Keep the fetish posting to a minimum.

st.sioux: fucking cringefest

precariousworlds.: Yann lecun?

_3sphere: This *is* the minimum

hey1_1hey: Fractal are femboys fetish posting?

hikukomoru: Fractal are you fun sized

clevermoniker: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1057705144457908252/1354494686932500660/Gm-UnJHbYAMPU9X.png?ex=67e57efa&is=67e42d7a&hm=380ebc4efc6f5c9985ffc13bbe14e70737d796f20c3fd9ae24464bd8fcf03a5b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=968&height=968

fractalcomputer: Evidently so.

hey1_1hey: Fractal fractal fractal

Oh my god I feel bad for you man

.wolfnacht: Twincest is still >>>

hikukomoru: Can I princess carry you Fractal

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-3584473422170938815

hey1_1hey: Mind explaing what that is <:suseye:1187461162024046703>

hey1_1hey: Theres no way thats what I think it is

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/anime-angry-girl-sad-scared-gif-15789527

ailoveyoom: Pure mushroom man 🥹


alejandrozarzuelo: remember catholics saying that a pope named Pietro or a black pope will be the end of times (2 out of the 4 main pope candidates)

trojan09205: Yes, I can.

precariousworlds.: What does scare the shit out of me though is bird flu spreading between humans
If bird flu mutates like that I genuinely believe civilisation will collapse and not recover for decades.

metaldragon01: https://vxtwitter.com/Diesol/status/1917468778025345122

zoermena: Quite the precarious situation

metaldragon01: Product being referred to

trojan09205: <@749514473303179358>  I'm watching a pretty dope movie called 'Black Bag'. definitely makes you think a lot about trust

precariousworlds.: https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-say-that-say-that-agian-marvel-fantastic-gif-12441585058103544841

zoermena: I’m honestly just waiting on midjourney to say prompt adherence was solved

_cloudost: and im waiting for openAI to announce AGI this year.

zoermena: Both are unlikely

fractalcomputer: I've mostly been reading through books. Wittgenstein's Tractatus and McCarthy's Passenger and Stella Maris, in the last few weeks.

trojan09205: I read a lot as well

fractalcomputer: It is always the American authors that somehow manage to shake my materialistically inclined mind.

gamerbath: their yearly revenue from one AI model must reach 100 billion first....

gamerbath: so there exists only about 15 people in the world who would be considered AGI level intelligence

gamerbath: I guess i'm too retarded

zonchao: https://x.com/shadcn/status/1917597228513853603

himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/anime-sleeping-im-dead-gif-15157935

gamerbath: <:HyperChamp:609895809462435896>

okbut: https://tenor.com/view/jesse-pinkman-jesse-pinkman-crying-jesse-pinkman-screaming-jesse-pinkman-andrea-jesse-crying-gif-25171987

zoermena: Time to finance a McDonald’s burger

zonchao: https://x.com/StockMKTNewz/status/1917603836992106749 it is over for sama

trojan09205: NHL playoff tickets are also mad cheap

trent_k: altman must be fucking FUMING

zonchao: masa will save him

ailoveyoom:

ailoveyoom: 🍿 😈

zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/the-mask-dodge-gif-22809594

zonchao: joanne dodging the real questions

himekokatagiri: you look like youtuber sepi

.wolfnacht: 🍿 🎥, 2027's gonna be fun

alejandrozarzuelo: I don't usually read or watch  fiction, so...

fractalcomputer: It's not healthy to be that autistic.

himekokatagiri: I don't do that either

himekokatagiri: I'm burned out

futurist_wizard: Except if it's about gay furry orgies

hey1_1hey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aN4Xg0VvCs I said to myself before watching the video "This has an 80% chance to be <@1068159407671754824>" doing all of this and turns out it wasn't <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

sarik0497: https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-25735842

trent_k: I'm coping and seething that my bot project didn't piss off as many redditors as the university one did


hey1_1hey: I tried to do something similar but it just didnt end up working.

hey1_1hey: Looks cool though

himekokatagiri: <@937125337748348999> wonder if it could make something like this or you'd have to make a lot of images then cut and paste

sieventer: There is no 4o for free users today :[ç

.histic: <@439829942310666250>

futurist_wizard: Fuck a o4

fractalcomputer: And we're back to the slop. Great.

.histic: it might actually

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/cavemanspongebob-caveman-spongebob-react-whatreact-gif-20206670

himekokatagiri: Make something then Mr. Howard

hey1_1hey: Nueron activation

otub: i got plus for free so technically i do https://x.com/sama/status/1907862982765457603

fractalcomputer: Make what?

himekokatagiri: I dunno what your heart tells you to

himekokatagiri: fire up firebase

himekokatagiri: get a thing rolling

fractalcomputer: I'll just get back to number theory.

sieventer: Cool x)

himekokatagiri: screw numbers

himekokatagiri: they don't you any good

himekokatagiri: listen here we a brain the size of the universe

hikukomoru: Numbers are boring 👎

himekokatagiri: and there you are crunching numbers

himekokatagiri: what are you george mcfly

sieventer: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

futurist_wizard: I will crunch the numbers

hikukomoru: Made me throw up a little

gamerbath: there is tho, 4.1 isn't in chatgpt

fractalcomputer: Number theory is not about crunching numbers. Anything but.

sieventer: Maths are so wrongly teached in the current system that they are disgusting :·( - but if they teach it in a more beautiful way, we'd love them

himekokatagiri: nonsense

himekokatagiri: I can barely count change

anathemaofmankind: Retard

himekokatagiri: 🚬

himekokatagiri: You wouldn't get it

hikukomoru:

himekokatagiri: the best invention of the world was the debit card

st.sioux: using your debit card is dumb

st.sioux: dont do it

himekokatagiri: Why


aero447: 💀

gamerbath: > we have a clear imperative: prevent the development of artificial superintelligence and keep humanity in control.

zoermena: My answer is no

gamerbath: I don't see how that's ever going to happen, but hey at least they are trying

ailoveyoom: Take Action | ControlHumans

ailoveyoom: 🥵

hikukomoru: There is no option for women to participate

aero447: Oh yeah.

alejandrozarzuelo: code back then got you to the moon in 11 QR codes ffs

popsiclejohnithan: Utterly delusional of them to think they can stop it lmao.

popsiclejohnithan: The world would literally need to end.

alejandrozarzuelo: i want to experience the pre-sing world

nsec: 20% of u would not sacrifice ur pp to save your grandparents

alejandrozarzuelo: i would

alejandrozarzuelo: but not for the singularity in a year

nsec: perhaps ur not worthy of the good singularity

nsec: perhaps

alejandrozarzuelo: wtf does this has to do with the poll

popsiclejohnithan: I'd do it, the singularity means i get a superior replacement cock anyway.

futurist_wizard: Humans should not remain in control

futurist_wizard: They are apeish

nsec: ur grandparents are old

alejandrozarzuelo: no

nsec: singularity saves em

alejandrozarzuelo: they ded

nsec: k

nsec: L

hikukomoru: Benevolent AI Dictator

nsec: <:Skill_Issue:1125367564114083940>

nsec: no mantle

alejandrozarzuelo: agreed, at least humans as we know them

nsec: idk bout that chief

hikukomoru: More of a chromosome issue

nsec: is it

alejandrozarzuelo: we know you have some extra, no need to say it

nsec: u r getting a singularity

futurist_wizard: We'll just get a razor blade and scrapped down whatever comes off, that's the woman option

hikukomoru: Rare Alejandro burn

nsec: no

nsec: u can have a friend  do it


drewsni: i dont think so

drewsni: it just gave hints

wellmeaningalien: we're in the 2nd half of 2025 😼

wellmeaningalien: wym

wellmeaningalien: damn i gotta hop on this stream

drewsni: theyre repackaging oai features dont bother

drewsni: literally

wellmeaningalien: lol

wellmeaningalien: if they can get it working in a coherent easy to use package thats the biggest achievement tho

wellmeaningalien: but lemme guess its like barely doing shit

ldj: No we’re not <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

ldj: 2nd half starts in July

wellmeaningalien: oh shit

wellmeaningalien: we're somewhat getting closer

wellmeaningalien: 😼

wellmeaningalien: wait

wellmeaningalien: my brain went like 2nd quarter of 2025 😭

spicy.lemonade: qwen dropping monday

wellmeaningalien: im on the stream rn

wellmeaningalien: i dont think copilot will be any more useful than chatgpt <@88481490228228096> ur right

drewsni: never has been, never will

drewsni: specialized products will rule with world

wellmeaningalien: i like that theyre doing MoE with small models so us GPU poors can run them

wellmeaningalien: i hope they'll have an MoE 32b model

wellmeaningalien: until generalized products get the best of them

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: 💀

clevermoniker: when Grok3 API?

spicy.lemonade: gotta be a bot

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/grok-grok-ai-grok-coin-grok-meme-grok-crypto-gif-7535771801479096264

oooooooooog: 🫶

clevermoniker: don't need to be a bot to be dumb

spicy.lemonade: never

spicy.lemonade: lol

clevermoniker: when o3 full?

spicy.lemonade: elon too scared to release api

spicy.lemonade: few weeks

spicy.lemonade: likeley 2

st.sioux: <@750270494615404544>

clevermoniker: few weeks translated from OpenAI could be 6 months


hikukomoru: ARFID

hey1_1hey: "gramps"
28 with child on the way 😭

ailoveyoom: Microplastics soon 😎

ailoveyoom: Gen alpha

hey1_1hey: Yeah dw me to girl 👉 👈

oooooooooog: wdym microplastics "soon"

hey1_1hey: Yuck

oooooooooog: they already here bro

hey1_1hey: I had a shiver down my spine reading that

ailoveyoom: Fair 😔

hikukomoru: DarkStar gives me retirment home vibes

futurist_wizard: You are all children compared to a smart person

.wolfnacht: i'm 20 and ive got a beard, and most men at 30's don't even have a beard yet.

sarik0497: Welp, looks like it isn’t here I should be while coping my existence 😦

futurist_wizard: I shave mine

a1c4p0ne: AGI 2027

oooooooooog: 2025 take it or leave it

hikukomoru: You're 20 too?
You gave me 30 virgin wizard vibes

a1c4p0ne: Let’s see

oooooooooog: what are my vibes???????

.wolfnacht: LMAO, but how

hey1_1hey: Jared, 23, software engineer

a1c4p0ne: Why is 2.5 pro not as hyped as 4o image?

ailoveyoom: Is wizard like a slur in this case?

a1c4p0ne: Is it not good?

hey1_1hey: 4o image is the goat

hikukomoru: I'm still fatter than you somehow despite both being shorter than you and not eating anything

.wolfnacht: anyways, to anyone who's 30 now....

oooooooooog: 4o image is novel, 2.5 pro isn't

hey1_1hey: I eat my autism food thank you very much

hikukomoru: Wizard means a 30+ year old virgin

hikukomoru: Tuna is my autism food

futurist_wizard: All of you are virgins

ailoveyoom: Minthara calling Gale wizard (derogatory) 🥵

hey1_1hey: I've branched out quite a bit ngl

a1c4p0ne: So no one using or testing 2.5 pro

a1c4p0ne: It will be forgotten

hikukomoru: I base my vibes off profile pictures
You give me mysterious vibes

hey1_1hey: Tried cellary the other day, texture was banging. Sadly it tasted like battery acid and MDMA

.wolfnacht: Well, i've got the wizard in me


alejandrozarzuelo: Particularly Gemini 2.5 and o3

spicy.lemonade: they dropped benchmark paper

spicy.lemonade: classic

spicy.lemonade: prob means qwen 3 will saturate

ailoveyoom: Afaik it's still using 2.0 Flash

spicy.lemonade: ai 2027 is greatest website ever made

.0xunkn0wn: guys is 4o the default option on chatgpt website?

.0xunkn0wn: cuz it keeps using 4o for every prompt all the time

spicy.lemonade: yes

alejandrozarzuelo: Hey

alejandrozarzuelo: One question

spicy.lemonade: what

alejandrozarzuelo: Ok so there's no electricity in Spain

alejandrozarzuelo: Barely anything works

alejandrozarzuelo: Do you guys know if there's been any attack or something

spicy.lemonade: no

shirethedreamer: damn
and thats like 2 weeks after the news that spain ran fully on renuable for the first time ever

alejandrozarzuelo: ?

alejandrozarzuelo: The sun is shining and wind is blowing, it's the best possible day for renewables

.wolfnacht: morning, is qwen 3 abt to be dropped today ?

brain4brain: R2, Intellect-2, and qwen-3 all on the same day

.wolfnacht: wait R2! today ? fr ?, any source or u just saw the tweets of bindu reddy ?

brain4brain: Bindu is fake, but r2 is real

It was revealed to me in a dream

brain4brain: The dream was to dream with the LSD Ilya gave me

brain4brain: He revealed how to turn LLM from alchemy to chemistry

brain4brain: Using diffusion to train the latent space more effectively

brain4brain: Super-reasoning without CoT

.wolfnacht: i think it's time to take meds, no?

.wolfnacht:

trojan09205: Bananas

.wolfnacht: Bananas

ailoveyoom: Bananas

alejandrozarzuelo: Frfr

alejandrozarzuelo: This is unprecedented its been over an hour and a half

trojan09205: Would you rather it be the russians or an accident?

_3sphere: Accident

_3sphere: Shit infrastructure is more fixable than a war

trojan09205: Yeah I guess. But this is pretty embarrassing

ailoveyoom: Check social media, no one knows what's going on??

ailoveyoom: Spoopy


alejandrozarzuelo: exactly, i support china genuinely, not because of anti-western circlejerking

alejandrozarzuelo: the correct way to support it

.histic: 😱
https://x.com/riomadeit/status/1906476917576126898

precariousworlds.: Pretty much yea lmao
But not in a cringe john lennon imagine way
More like those avatar human edits

alejandrozarzuelo: dude i am too

alejandrozarzuelo: do you wanna see my bed?

precariousworlds.: an authoritarian police state with no accountability or human rights?

alejandrozarzuelo: oh boy you are one of those

precariousworlds.: take me to dinner first blimey

alejandrozarzuelo: dont be dirty

alejandrozarzuelo: its relevant

precariousworlds.: is true tho?

alejandrozarzuelo: no

alejandrozarzuelo: i disagree, but the disagreement needs to be well argumented and its too late for that

precariousworlds.: :(

playstation.6: this sounds good for horror games

hikukomoru: Alejandro stop being such a whore

hikukomoru: Christ

alejandrozarzuelo:

alejandrozarzuelo: i told you it was relevant

777agical: https://x.com/sundarpichai/status/1906484930957193255

alejandrozarzuelo: the picture had to load first

alejandrozarzuelo: why do you always think like that

technocake.: you're still a slut

technocake.: zorra

alejandrozarzuelo: thats actually offensive

hikukomoru: My mind is dirty like that

technocake.: oh my bad, i was going for playful

oooooooooog: the best offence is a good fence

hikukomoru: Yeah only I get to call him a slut

alejandrozarzuelo: zorra is a controversial word in spanish, some people have appropiated it as a sex positive thing but it still sounds as a slur to many

technocake.: it was the title of your eurovision track last year so I presumed it was already fully reclaimed

futurist_wizard:

oooooooooog: is this the legendary platinum puller

futurist_wizard: Yeah some streamer

futurist_wizard: Idk

futurist_wizard: I just find the degeneracy funny

alejandrozarzuelo: it was madly controversial

alejandrozarzuelo: the lyrics were actually pretty good, but the term alone mired the song in controversy

spacetimetsunami: jesus


himekokatagiri: It's called chatgpt

himekokatagiri: talk to it for a while it'll figure things out

spicy.lemonade: I hope the me that does travel back in time to fdvr sim gifts sim me nitro

joaoluz19: Just for people who has pro

joaoluz19: Basic FDVR: access to the 22nd century. Plus: access up to the 30th century

spicy.lemonade: fdvr better not be subscription based

himekokatagiri: Oh shit

himekokatagiri: AI will be able to predict the future

joaoluz19: In a couple of weeks we will get the II century update

joaoluz19: Only for pro plus

spicy.lemonade: I think it will be able to but

spicy.lemonade: it wont

spicy.lemonade: itl chose not to

spicy.lemonade: because itl have liberal democracy values

spicy.lemonade: like we will have a super inteligence survelance state

spicy.lemonade: but it wont intervene

ailoveyoom: What does predicting the future have to do with democracy?

ailoveyoom: I'm slow chat 😔

himekokatagiri: beats me

joaoluz19: I want it to intervene and bring justice to this world

spicy.lemonade: liberal democracy is broad term

.histic: yeah, it will predict or know your obsession with suzuha.
it will be fed ur slop.
it's over.

spicy.lemonade: liberal part means

spicy.lemonade: freedom to choose your own path

himekokatagiri: I'm not that obsessed

spicy.lemonade: self determination

himekokatagiri: look suzuha is awesome

spicy.lemonade: thats what US is built off of

juweigege_54993: I hope it's real.

himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/suzuha-best-girl-eco-anime-steins-gif-26014842

himekokatagiri: she's amazing

himekokatagiri: alright need some sleep chat went way too speculative

spicy.lemonade: soon itl be millions

juweigege_54993: It shouldn't be. It should be free and let people be in the matrix forever.

.histic: who will be the ruler of base reality?

.histic: i think i'll try to blow up a planet just for fun

joaoluz19: I like the idea of completely letting go of fear, stress and anxiety rather than what the external world would be like.

spicy.lemonade: me

spicy.lemonade: realistically

spicy.lemonade: probably some ceo


zoermena: obamna

drewsni: okay fractal i see you typing

drewsni: i got a question for you

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: coincidence?

drewsni: GPT 5 made covid

drewsni:

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: he was wrong?

fractalcomputer: Well?

fractalcomputer: I was about to make some sort of obtuse joke that no one would have really understood, as usual.

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: Fractal wen agi?

fractalcomputer: The moment I learn to speak Georgian fluently.

drewsni: do you think AI can ever be conscious

fractalcomputer: For the present moment, I do not believe in consciousness.

drewsni: in humans too?

fractalcomputer: Indeed.

drewsni: interesting

fractalcomputer: Was that an unexpected answer?

drewsni: you know i actually rarely think about consciousness, but i dont think ive ever thought about the possibility of humans not being conscious

fractalcomputer: It's a fun idea to entertain; and ever the more pertinent when you read shitty posts on r/philosophy expounding the idea that the existence of consciousness can only be intuited by conscious entities in some sort of freakishly recursive aberration.

fractalcomputer: (I can't decide which is worse; r/philosophy or the philosophystackexchange website.)

drewsni: do you have anything for me to read about that idea

fractalcomputer: As in philosophers who believe that consciousness does not exist?

fractalcomputer: Big names in eliminative materialism include the Churchlands (Paul & Patricia, neuroscientists and neurophilosophers) and people like Daniel Dennett.

ailoveyoom: <@312370916820779040> Do u know why no 2.5 Pro on FrontierMath yet 😔

fractalcomputer: Because 2.5 Pro can't glaze Grothendieck.

ailoveyoom: Idk your math references, I just know number and chart go up 🙈

zoermena: The only reason I'm staying up late is because 4o image gen just decided to go fuck all on my consisteny character prompts and now I can't make cereal.

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: O4 mini high can make a tier list with provided images

spicy.lemonade: O3 might perform better

spicy.lemonade: But pretty cool

zoermena: Faster than a human too

zoermena: Kill me

spicy.lemonade: Asking o3

drewsni: i am not proud nor ashamed of this, but i cant say i've ever spent more than a minute thinking about philosophy or philosophers

fractalcomputer: C'est la vie ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

spicy.lemonade: O3 taking more time

drewsni: yeah i strongly believe that people only have a finite capability of learning, and philsophy just never made the cut for me even though i took a philosophy course in college

fractalcomputer: I would personally disagree. I think learning is more about creating all things anew rather than simply conserving what others have thought before.

drewsni: ill spend the next week learning about philosophy and report back


fractalcomputer: Then why do you claim models are conscious? Why do you project anthropomorphic qualities to them and justify these ideas by linking papers that you claim are in accord with your conclusions?

destrucules: The structure of my argument is essentially inductive. We see a lot of behaviors from LLMs that are consistent with the behaviors of sentient beings and inconsistent with the behaviors of non-sentient systems. When we look at the internal mechanisms, we find strong similarities with humans. Because of this, we can infer that the phenomenon of sentient behavior derives from a mechanism that is shared between humans and LLMs.

destrucules: <@560984241526013954> do let me know what you think of the literature I shared

fractalcomputer: Now, that is an explanatory argument. But as we all are aware by now, you also claim not to be able to explain consciousness; we know you're perfectly fine with explaining something unknown with something unknown but still a bit more familiar than that other inexplicable thing, but that is a horrible argument if you're trying to convince people of your opinions *or* to provide evidence that whatever you say on the topic happens to be true.

destrucules: I'm assuming my audience believes something you don't believe, which is that humans are sentient

fractalcomputer: You're assuming that your audience is as willing to project human qualities onto language models.

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: We need reasoning

.histic: it's interesting it knows that's a4

hikukomoru: 🤫

.histic: you don't need reasoning to play Chess well.
just need to train it on a shit ton of Chess.

spicy.lemonade: It should be good enough now tbh

destrucules: No, I'm actually assuming my audience won't project anything onto anything. But I'm assuming they believe humans are sentient. Like... To prove that a problem is NP-complete, you don't have to do a direct proof. All you have to do is reduce the problem to a known NP-complete problem. I'm doing something similar here - I can't prove directly, but I can outline a reduction between LLMs and humans, and humans are known to be sentient.

spicy.lemonade: The reasoning is to not mess up on stuff like this

.histic: reasoning diffusion models

.histic: interesting

destrucules: This is why we need to go back to autoregressive image gen

fractalcomputer: I'm sorry, that is a ludicrous argument – and something that I do not have the time to argue against right now – and I will leave the audience to conclude this fact as well.

destrucules: It's fine. I wasn't in the mood either 🙂

destrucules: Ttyl Fractal

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/rupanti-apu-rupanti-apu-gif-popcorn-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-15576785

.histic: 4o created this. its own operating system.

.histic: macos inspired clearly

.histic: it reminds me of some car's OS

st.sioux: ugly ass upwork $1/hr design

rayanquitplayin: Hi chat

anathemaofmankind: I think it looks great

anathemaofmankind: Post this in the subreddit

destrucules: Thanks 🙂

hikukomoru: destrucules won

st.sioux: no

hikukomoru: yes

fractalcomputer: No, I genuinely have to go; and I am livid because this sort of argumentation is just riddled with the exact same errors in reasoning I see in analytic philosophy; this bizarre obsession in trying to apply rigorous reasoning to non-rigorously defined concepts.

hikukomoru: Extremely rare Fractal L

st.sioux: hello rayan

hikukomoru: hi ryan

rayanquitplayin:

.histic: ok

.histic: damn, i just doxed my account

.histic: now you'll now that i post on r/furry


hey1_1hey: Maybe it can tell me whats wrong with my brain by finally concluding the gender identiy arc 🙏

hikukomoru: What
There's o4 mini

hey1_1hey: Yeah

hey1_1hey: Did you not see the tweet

hikukomoru: Since when

hey1_1hey: Like a couple hours ago

hey1_1hey: Thats why I am buzzing

hey1_1hey: https://vxtwitter.com/sama/status/1908167621624856998

hikukomoru: Doesn't sound like that big of a deal tbh

hey1_1hey: o3 and o4 mini coming in the next weeks and gpt 5 coming in the coming months

hikukomoru: Yawn

hey1_1hey: Read the tweet atleast

shirethedreamer:

hey1_1hey: Got me looking like a track runner

hey1_1hey: Who dis?

hikukomoru: Call me when R2 or Llama 4 are here 🥱

hikukomoru: AGI countdown guy

shirethedreamer: alan from Alan’s conservative countdown to AGI

hey1_1hey: Ah that guy

hey1_1hey: I have never seen his face

shirethedreamer: known for his assertion that agi is weeks away
only to backtrack later saying years are also weeks

hikukomoru: His only credentials are writing a children's book btw

shirethedreamer: i mean... im pretty sure he is a phd... just not in ai related fields

hikukomoru: About as qualified as the average person here

shirethedreamer: yeah pretty much

hikukomoru: conservative countdown?
When are we getting the woke liberal countdown

zonchao: https://x.com/legit_api/status/1908174018881933818?

.0xunkn0wn: what the chat! 😭

.0xunkn0wn: i was just asking very human questions totally not alien not weird

spicy.lemonade: YESSSS FUCKKKK

_cloudost: Wonder if the native image generator gets improved if it's based on ChatGPT-5

futurist_wizard: W

_cloudost:

futurist_wizard: Probably some

futurist_wizard: It won't be AGI though

spicy.lemonade: Gpt 5 exceeds expectations?

spicy.lemonade: That’s huge

_cloudost: If it can connect to a robot and move around would it be AGI?

spicy.lemonade: Has to be

futurist_wizard: No


fuhulootogan: because we received the message from him

ailoveyoom: Okay my job is to be knotted by the wolf 🥰

futurist_wizard: I suppose because there's no unifying purpose in the universe, God's judgement on purpose is just as valid as mine

fuhulootogan: ah well true, but

himekokatagiri: isn't that animal abuse

fuhulootogan: agree

fuhulootogan: or

fuhulootogan: eternal hell

himekokatagiri: you could go to jail meng

fuhulootogan: those are your two choices

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/blue-emoji-meme-surprised-gif-14531710399995277313

fuhulootogan: and unfortunately god isn't really the greatest judge

futurist_wizard: Europe does not have access to such a device

ailoveyoom: Sweet summer child 🥺

fractalcomputer: We could avoid this degenerating into a meaningless antitheistic dumpster fire.

himekokatagiri: 🚬 damn

ailoveyoom: It's a figure of speech

fuhulootogan: whuh?

professorheaven: I doubt mathematics can actually explain the universe

futurist_wizard: We don't have sora either

fractalcomputer: Now, let's suppose that the Christian God did not exist; you live in a cosmos where your existence is a brute fact.

fuhulootogan: AH AH AH AH AH AH

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-american-psycho-dorsia-hey-paul-killing-gif-18189443

fuhulootogan: but mathematics is the language of the universe

fractalcomputer: I did not say anything about describing the universe, did I now?

hikukomoru: Zamn
Talking about knotting when Fractal is around
MichMach you don't fuck around bruh!!! 🔥 🔥

fuhulootogan: mellogini fettucino sauce

fuhulootogan: all gone to waste

st.sioux: god on their way to give a child terminal cancer 💃

fuhulootogan: what a mozzarella

fuhulootogan: ai ai

a1c4p0ne: 😋

professorheaven: Then why posit mathematical  understanding as the grand purpose of the universe?

fuhulootogan: its just a test

fuhulootogan: relax

fuhulootogan: because

fuhulootogan: uhm

fuhulootogan: wait

hikukomoru: Europe bros...

fuhulootogan: the grand purpose of the universe?