hikukomoru: Fire Punch

wellmeaningalien: oh god he is WHITE

hikukomoru:

wellmeaningalien:

wellmeaningalien: <@505313122802728972> what the fuck actually is up with fire punch

wellmeaningalien: the first two chapters are like

wellmeaningalien: would have you believe it was written by jeffrey epstein

hikukomoru: Fire Punch is so fucked

hikukomoru: It felt like a fever dream

.histic:

wellmeaningalien: i dont like = fascism

.histic: 150k NPCs liked this.

gamerbath: SyntaxError: invalid syntax

gamerbath: line1

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: ironic they're still using twitter

zoermena: This whole artist vs ai turmoil is just sad for everyone involved, truly unfortunate

hikukomoru: Artists are the ones at fault though

otub: bluesky is too much of a safe space so they cant argue with anyone

hikukomoru: Damn 4o image gen takes so long

drewsni: I think servers are fucked rn

joaoluz19: The goths are worth the wait

_cloudost: AI haters are using it in masses so we can't use it, they don't have a life

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: but it's paid only?

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: I think it's just really popular. Once the Chinese version comes out it's over

maintcrew: no its 3 gens frew now i think

_cloudost: I hope so

_cloudost: No one will care if the Chinese version violates Copyright laws

.histic: wtf, 4o generated an image in like 5 seconds for me lol

.histic: a GPU burp.

.histic: holy shit.. it's blazing fast for me rn

.histic: fuck i got rate limited

.histic:

drewsni: speaking of that

drewsni:

drewsni: holy fuck

drewsni: never ran into this kinda thing

hikukomoru: I know you posted AI but which image

drewsni:

drewsni: wait are you in the nascar server? lol

gamerbath: it's correct. that's impressive


hikukomoru: Alejandro you horndog

alejandrozarzuelo: nah the ones i tend to read on exam season are usually very mild in the lewd aspect haha

trojan09205: absolutely bro. ive watched the series twice cause its really amazing. basically determinism vs. multi-worlds hypothesis in a captivating story

trojan09205: have you ever read the Sandman

zoermena: I hate college fucking dog shit forcing me to learn piss and poop

alejandrozarzuelo: nope

trojan09205: my fav comic book of all time

alejandrozarzuelo: ill check it out

trojan09205: https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Sandman-1989/Issue-1?id=14226&s=&readType=1

trojan09205: It's much better in actual print version but theyre kind of expensive

alejandrozarzuelo: i mean i am cheap lol

hikukomoru: What are you studying

zoermena: Dog shit administration poop fart

hikukomoru: What're you reading

trojan09205: so that link or others will do haha. this is the repo i follow to snag free content online

https://fmhy.net/videopiracyguide#live-tv-sports

sidebar has the category types

zoermena: Based

alejandrozarzuelo: if i tell you you'll endlessly tease me about it no matter what I say so i wont

try being nicer

hikukomoru: You know I'm always nice 🥰
Just tell me

alejandrozarzuelo: and give you more ammunition for next time even if you are nice this one?

alejandrozarzuelo: nah

alejandrozarzuelo: in any case i think i already mentioned one of the ones i like the most and consider a great piece of literature a while back, but you probably werent here

hikukomoru: Pwease 🥺
I'll behave 😊

alejandrozarzuelo: one of the ones i read a long time ago that i think is pretty good is Adastra

Roman empire sci-fi gay furry alien romcom interplanetary geopolitical drama mystery with existentialism and philosophical themes and a really original worldbuilding

whats there not to love? (also, while it is true that the main lead is gay, this is not a gay story, well, not anymore than any story with a opposite sex couple as a romantic subplot is a "hetero story")

it is very good, and the main criticism about it is that it doesnt have a very strong vice-lead but thats because its supposed to be a self-insert character, and considering how many times the average man thinks about the roman empire, its a pretty effective one at that

its not everyones cup of tea but it is very beloved, it is also quite quite long... which is despite the fact that Visual Novels tend to be read faster per word than normal ones

alejandrozarzuelo: i hope you do behave <:suseye:1187461162024046703>

joaoluz19: What in the actual fuck

hey1_1hey: YO WHAT THE

hey1_1hey: I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT GILLY GALLING IN HERE AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT FURRY ALIEAN ROMCOM

precariousworlds.: It's not too late to find Christ

hey1_1hey: I'm not religious but I support this message now

futurist_wizard: my goodness

futurist_wizard: is this appropriate alejandro? i don't think so

futurist_wizard: you will spend the next 500 years in matrix hell

hey1_1hey: Being lenient now aren't we?

gamerbath: <:ez:1136267305521774634>

hey1_1hey: This is just another strawberry guy sadly

hey1_1hey: If only it was true 🙏

oimrqs: yeah exactly

oimrqs: i love this group so much but unfortunately I barely use discord 😦 would love a version of this on telegram

popsiclejohnithan: I call bullshit honestly, i'll believe it when i see it.

popsiclejohnithan: I would absoloutly love it to be true though.


.histic:

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/evangelion-shinji-shinji-ikari-ikari-neon-genesis-evangelion-gif-21115075

hey1_1hey: "What you doing step-tank, oh don't load your APDS into me 🥵 "

hikukomoru: wrong gif

.histic: damn she got abs.

hikukomoru: I meant to post the jorking one

.histic:

.wolfnacht: this one hits hard

wellmeaningalien: mark zuckerberg dog

.wolfnacht: wait, isn't her hair should be a bit blonde ?

hey1_1hey: Thats fuck up bro 😭

hey1_1hey: Sundar is really feelin it

st.sioux: Idk

wellmeaningalien: blonde hair genes are recessive and black hair genes are dominant

st.sioux: There's so many women, wow

wellmeaningalien: my mom is ginger and me n my brothers have black hair cause of my dad

hikukomoru: "Wow. Everything's woman."

wellmeaningalien: someone keeps making CCTV footage of people stealing things from supermarkets in the 80s/90s

spicy.lemonade: HOW IS IT GONNA WRITE RESEARCH IF IT CANT WRITE AN ESSAY

spicy.lemonade: HOW IS IT GONNA DRAW MATHEMATICSL FIGURES IF IT CANT DRAW

hikukomoru: This is true
My dad is blond and I have black hair because of my mom

hey1_1hey: True, computers and women are basically the same anyway. You can program them the same atleast

clevermoniker: lmao Mark

spicy.lemonade: AAAAAAAAA

spicy.lemonade: I’m gonna go insane

ailoveyoom: Bro don't be like Cloudo

ailoveyoom: Don't fall for ragebait lol

.wolfnacht: sad, u'r now average.

hikukomoru: I wish women were progammable

hey1_1hey: The ones I know are

fractalcomputer: Why do you people engage in this sort of banal tirading? Do you never tire of it?

wellmeaningalien: this actually looks like an ad, wtf

hey1_1hey: That makes me seem like I manipulate women. Side note: I don't

.wolfnacht: They will be, soon.

wellmeaningalien: its gives them life

ailoveyoom: Cursed Youtube ahh add I see when scrolling by

fractalcomputer: And steals mine.

_3sphere: Still better than Reddit ads

wellmeaningalien: equivalent exchange

.wolfnacht: soon, u won't need to read tons of books on dark psych


spicy.lemonade: no. a phd could read the transformers is all you need paper and reproduce with nothing but a terminal

metaldragon01: Is that how humans did it? Nothing but the terminal?

spicy.lemonade: thats bare minimum

spicy.lemonade: which o3 cant do

metaldragon01: You give them the scaffolding we use to achieve thr same goals

spicy.lemonade: im not talking about doing new research

spicy.lemonade: im talking about reproducing an experiment

spicy.lemonade: it read

spicy.lemonade: basically follow the papers instructions

metaldragon01: With the right scaffolding I'm pretty sure o3 can nail it

.wolfnacht: AI WINTER AI WINTER AI WINTER AI WINTER AI WINTER AI WINTER AI WINTER AI WINTER

metaldragon01: Scaffolding helps soooo much

metaldragon01: People really aren't pushing the limits at all on these models

metaldragon01: They've gotten good an we have gotten lazier as a result

spicy.lemonade: they would have displayed custom scafolding

spicy.lemonade: like when they did with o1

metaldragon01: ???

spicy.lemonade: o1-ioi

metaldragon01: Why would they do that?

spicy.lemonade: they always do it

metaldragon01: They aren't serving the scaffolding

spicy.lemonade: to make theyre benchmarks look cooler

metaldragon01: They serve the models

spicy.lemonade: they didnt serve o1-ioi

metaldragon01: Wrapper companies sell scaffolding

spicy.lemonade: claude tested swe bench with custom scafolding

metaldragon01: And we don't have nearly enough wrappers

metaldragon01: What's your point?

metaldragon01: You think they used the best possible?

metaldragon01: Ofc not

spicy.lemonade: i think the improvement was minimal

spicy.lemonade: and deepresearch is

spicy.lemonade: the custom scafolding

metaldragon01: Right...for a particular task...

metaldragon01: You can stack scaffoldings

metaldragon01: When I'm doing books thr models aren't great

metaldragon01: But if you have scaffolding for each task they can be pretty good

metaldragon01: Just because a model isn't 1 shoting something doesn't mean it can't do it reliably with the right scaffolding

metaldragon01: It's the whole reason these wrappers are worth billions

zoermena: Are you happy with the new models


ailoveyoom: Yeah, my problem wasn't with the graphics tho. It was like, the no tutorial thing. I'm just a Skybaby at heart 🥺 need quest markers

futurist_wizard: I shouldn't of ate before i go to the gym

anathemaofmankind: You must hate elden ring then

artemisfowl887394: A Yum Watts scenario means that a being is alive and conscious but is programmed to love its own misery.

artemisfowl887394: That's like slavery but with extra steps.

ailoveyoom: Yeah I don't do Souls likes

futurist_wizard: Elden Ring is probably one of my favourite gwamez

anathemaofmankind: I thought souls likes were painful until I tried sekiro

Best game I've ever played

spicy.lemonade: ah

futurist_wizard: Sekiro is easier than a lot of them

futurist_wizard: Once you learn the combat

anathemaofmankind: Yeah the learning curve is high but it's easy when you master it.

But that's what makes it better as your skill actually matters more than equipment and weapon upgrades for unga bunga

hikukomoru: I believe there are mods that add quest markers

hikukomoru: Same for Morrowind

artemisfowl887394: Have you guys played Dying Light 2 yet?

ailoveyoom: I got through Morrowind just fine tho fsr

futurist_wizard: I just think the combat is more fun and diverse in sekiro but its too short to be the best

futurist_wizard: So Elden Ring post dlc will be my favourite

hikukomoru: Also the Daggerfall 3D mods look way too out of place

hikukomoru: 3D skeletons right next to 2D bandits

anathemaofmankind: Elden ring dlc was mid for me

anathemaofmankind: Consort radahn ruined everything

futurist_wizard: Why

anathemaofmankind: They reused a boss from base game and animations from DS3.

I remember how controversial it was when leaks showed up

futurist_wizard: He's very hard, the hardest boss they're ever done but he's fair

hikukomoru: What do you think about a future Morrowind remaster

hikukomoru: Like what happened to Oblivion

futurist_wizard: Pontiff was also a good boss

oooooooooog: 💀

futurist_wizard: They also sadly nerfed radahn because of complaints

anathemaofmankind: Gael is a good fair boss. Radahn making afterimages and two shotting with max scadutree fragments isn't fair

anathemaofmankind: Oh well I killed him before the nerf

futurist_wizard: I don't remember any move that two shots you, but gael in comparison is easy

futurist_wizard: Basically every other souls game is easy in comparison

trojan09205: “Im not mad im exhausted”

hey1_1hey: Lock this mf up 🗣 🗣

ailoveyoom: I can't play it myself if UE5 prolly, but I'd love to see daddy Dagoth 🥵

futurist_wizard: I managed to beat the whole game and dlc 3 times before the nerf

anathemaofmankind: I beat it like once. It's not even the difficulty but it's just so long

joaoluz19: Thanks for the tip!


technocake.: the bigger a step change the better

spacetimetsunami: it would be very unlike the GOP and the presidential cabinet to advocate for ubi

spacetimetsunami: but with sufficient societal unrest it will happen

spacetimetsunami: maybe lol

technocake.: they'll do it if it's economically needed

spacetimetsunami: hopefully

technocake.: they are the party that did corona stimulus

spacetimetsunami: right, but Trump was surrounded with people who werent retarded loyalists at that time

spacetimetsunami: now things are very different

technocake.: let him get gilloutined then

spacetimetsunami: by who lol

technocake.: "antifa"

technocake.: aka america

spacetimetsunami: he would have to do things that very personally affect people in awful ways that arent too abstracted

technocake.: if it gets bad enough, americans will revolt

spacetimetsunami: because if theyre too abstracted people wont make the correlation to him

spacetimetsunami: right, bad enough may be far away

technocake.: fair

spacetimetsunami: with the economic disruption he is causing people will likely just blame AI and tech for it in a couple years when it all manifests

spacetimetsunami: theyll hate automation and revolt against that, maybe not the administration

spacetimetsunami: although he is fucking shit up pretty quick so who knows

spacetimetsunami: but im talking about things without a meaningful amount of technical knowledge in the topic

spacetimetsunami: so idrk

technocake.: I think that the coming wave will sweep past the significance of government and world gov pretty quickly

technocake.: nobody will be able to go up against superintelligence

spacetimetsunami: yeah to an extent i see that as likely, like with an intelligence explosion i think this happens

spacetimetsunami: they need to hurry up with super good agents

spacetimetsunami: ACCELERATE GO GO GO GO GO

fuhulootogan: https://tenor.com/view/wojak-brainlet-microwave-smoke-dumb-gif-3026155548321433372

technocake.:

technocake.: oh sorry you might not have seen that film, because you are a minor

fuhulootogan: i've seen the cover for inglorious bastards but not the movie

technocake.: wow, a real polymath!

fuhulootogan: how did you guess

technocake.: would your parents like it if I told them you were in a server that promoted not just trans and gay lifestyles but also furry ones?

technocake.: and even more strange things beyond that?

technocake.: you should ask them

fuhulootogan: oh wow

fuhulootogan: thats how you knew?

technocake.: no I knew because you are a textbook teenage edgelord


spicy.lemonade: this is a looks like a duck quaks like a duck scenario

spicy.lemonade: idk

spicy.lemonade: but it might aswell be

a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/1904898131235660138

fractalcomputer: And if you find a thing that quacks like a duck where you definitely should not be seeing a duck, you should conclude that that thing is just something that is really good at playing its own simulacrum of a duck and not a duck.

spicy.lemonade: I dont think id think that deep

spicy.lemonade: if i saw a duck

spicy.lemonade: lol

clevermoniker: Grok4? lmao, we don't even have Grok3 API yet

clevermoniker: Grok4 ain't happening before Llama 4

spicy.lemonade: like idk say i saw a duck type creature on mars

a1c4p0ne: <:rolf:1136266740754550784>

spicy.lemonade: "oh shit its a duck, wtf"

a1c4p0ne:

spicy.lemonade: as far as im concerened it behaves just like one

spicy.lemonade: i havent studied the internal workings

spicy.lemonade: but doesnt really mater

spicy.lemonade: at high level its a duck

spicy.lemonade: could be silicon based life form for all i know

spicy.lemonade: still at a high level

spicy.lemonade: duck

fractalcomputer: I mean, let's presume that their capabilities were trained on tons of pictures or paintings; presumably taken or painted by humans of the real world with the intentions of depicting it more or less faithfully and so on—would it now "understand" (how I hate that word, but we shall go by your definition) only the depictions or the real world presented therein with varying degrees of accuracy and symbolism?

darkstar0818: Today  proves that intelligence stands no chance against a meme generator.

fractalcomputer: Between which things is it learning to make the connections? Between the pictures or objects in the real world or both (to what degree it can, limited by the data)?

fractalcomputer: Can we really trust neural networks to infer the same abstractions we naturally make based on our common lived consensus?

darkstar0818: Give humans a choice between a peak mathematician philosopher and degenerate cartoon photo generator and the choice is clear.

spicy.lemonade: sure itl understand what the photos depict. but if you want the models to be accurate to real world as possible then just give it constant stream of photos of real world

fractalcomputer: Take for example a picture of a man and his proportions; we naturally understand his morphology through these notions, proportions and so on, but how might we be sure that the network is thinking about proportions and measures and so on?

clevermoniker: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1136230110891081821/1354460125028421742/raw.png?ex=67e55eca&is=67e40d4a&hm=8459cd606fe06a1d403a662e28360f984a4971bfb9b4bea3e69c6611664a6410&

fractalcomputer: Or what about a video of a falling apple; has it inferred the existence of gravity or has it just understood that certain objects move in certain ways without really seeing the big picture of physics?

fractalcomputer: Neural networks are for obvious reasons extremely adept at finding patterns we might not ourselves notice; that's why we make them, for their unique perspective of sorts but we (you) don't for some reason implicitly extend this reasoning for image generation and so on. The question is then what patterns are *they* seeing that we are not; and knowing that, understanding what we understand seems to another issue.

spicy.lemonade: ghiblify everything

metaldragon01: Ok....i actually want to see this

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: holy hell

spicy.lemonade: perfect

spicy.lemonade: my god

zoermena: I’ve made my avatar (further adjustments will be done tomorrow)

professorheaven: It makes sense why they took so long to roll this out, it quite literally puts photoshop to an end

spicy.lemonade: it was worth the wait


wellmeaningalien: did komoru hijack ur account 🏳⚧

alejandrozarzuelo: But yeah, things have value outside of capitalism

Do not equate capitalism with economics, economics has existed for longer than capitalism

futurist_wizard: You spook too many people talkin bout government authoritarianism

futurist_wizard: My social credit score increased by typing that

_cloudost: does my sketch look soulless ?

st.sioux: i regret to inform you that you have no soul

_cloudost: Does this one seem more soulful to you?

futurist_wizard: The opposite

_cloudost: Btw This drawing was generated with an open source AI image generator

_cloudost: Openais native IMG gen could never

futurist_wizard: I want to give it an open source punch to the face

_cloudost:

_cloudost: For saint Sama

saph.ai: hello chatters

technocake.: oh shit long time no see

saph.ai: yeahh been a lil while

saph.ai: i sorry just been preoccupied in other chats and real life

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/shy-hi-gif-25532260

.histic: hola

saph.ai: hola que tal

saph.ai: also i saw this twitter posted on one of the servers i am in
https://x.com/Josikinz/status/1905440949054177604

trent_k: 4o is great for misinformation and propaganda

saph.ai: nade me sad

hikukomoru: I know where this character is from
That anime is so sus

hikukomoru: I feel like you've been becoming a conspiracytard lately
More than usual

trent_k: About the pizzagate stuff for sure yes. But goofy schizo conspiracy art is a lot of fun even if the majority of the ideas in it are stupid af

trent_k: David Dees on top 📈

wellmeaningalien: i can already see dudes making conspiracy podcasts using the shit out of this

_cloudost: I dont watch anime so idk about it

wellmeaningalien: its porn isnt it

futurist_wizard: Lab grown meat is based

.histic: https://oniichan-wa-oshimai.fandom.com/wiki/Mahiro_Oyama

hikukomoru: It's an ecchi
The plot is a little boy gets turned into a little girl by his older sister

.histic: i havent watched anime in the last 3 years

.histic: nor a movie in the last 2

wellmeaningalien: michiko to hatchin is the best anime because it takes place in brazil

wellmeaningalien: i wanna watch 2001 a space odyssey

_cloudost: Btw 4o full had native image generator, but it can also generate 3D models, when will Sama release the next 4o model?

wellmeaningalien: havent watched it yet

zoermena: Next year


trey6033: Per benchmarks o3 mini is slightly stronger than grok 3 mini.  Likewise o1 medium is stronger than grok 3.

.0xunkn0wn: yeah

.0xunkn0wn: i asked it to come up with new ways

destrucules: Actual metrics

destrucules: Grok 3 mini > o3 mini

trey6033: Blurry ah pic

destrucules: Click the thing it'll unblur

zonchao: <@749514473303179358> https://fxtwitter.com/anduriltech/status/1917226909609722103

trey6033: No it's blurred when clicked

okbut: Nobody is talking about Meta <:Hmm:804642320195780619>

joaoluz19: Yes, clearly gpt has a tiny creative potential. It can make references to literature but not articulate different knowledge to produce something new (on a mind uploading scale).

destrucules: Click "open in browser"

joaoluz19: Because it's a nothingburger

st.sioux: it cant

okbut: Many such cases

destrucules: Can you blame us?

destrucules: I'm an advocate of the Llama 4 models and even I don't care

joaoluz19: How is it that the chief scientist there is totally anti-LLM and we only see Llama? Where is Lecun with the new paradigms?

okbut: I cannot

destrucules: He's a Turing Award winner, but also the laughing stock of ML

st.sioux: working on them probably

destrucules: <@426634483689848843> do you see the numbers now? I wasn't whiffing your point, I was trying to show you that across metrics, unless you're exclusively looking at LiveCodeBench or HLE, Grok 3 mini is actually stronger than o3 mini

trey6033:

joaoluz19: I mean being top 8 in world citations is big

trey6033: o3 mini high is strongest model on AIM 2025 @pass1

destrucules: Okay so on AIME'25 Grok 3 mini (no reasoning effort specified) is close second place to o3 mini (high) - that's *one* benchmark

destrucules: Yup. Was on a lot of teams that did great work in the 2010s and now it's revealed that he had no sauce at all

st.sioux: so much disrespect

destrucules: He deserves it

destrucules: So does Marcus

destrucules: So does Mitchell

destrucules: This is the New York Times saying we would have flying machines a million years from now the day before humans actually invented the first powered human flight vehicles, except Marcus and Mitchell and LeCun are still pretending we can't build airplanes when they're flying around in the sky carrying people from city to city every day

destrucules: Laugh at them. They've earned it

destrucules: They're moon landing deniers, not respectable scientists

joaoluz19: There are some things that are hard to swallow, like LeCun saying that GPT was less than "cat level" in intelligence.

joaoluz19: But some skepticism of LLM and looking for new architectures I don't see a problem with that

joaoluz19: The problem is that he hasn't shown how his architecture is superior so far.

destrucules: I agree

destrucules: I didn't say Connor Leahy was a laughing stock. He spent a lot of work on new architectures too

fractalcomputer: Is that a problem? Does one need to provide alternatives?


brain4brain: Yes, it will need to be 1:1 and eventually less

spicy.lemonade: true ig

spicy.lemonade: ngl we need more competition on the hardware side

spicy.lemonade: nvidia is slacking

brain4brain: Also does the METR paper only measure computer science task?

brain4brain: Or did they also measure other task

ldj: They have a set of general reasoning tasks in there too

ldj: along with AI research specific tasks

brain4brain: Oh wow

ldj: I think like 30% of it is part of the "general reasoning" bucket

ldj: and then roughly 40% is mostly software engineering

ldj: and then I think the last 30% of it is AI research tasks

clevermoniker: same

clevermoniker: that's why my AGI definition is based on it being capable of automating jobs, and jobs have time limits

drewsni: slacking? they moved the release cycle from 2 yrs to 1yr and the leaps are even bigger between generations

drewsni: plus theyre producing triple the gpus that they did two years ago

brain4brain: What’s your AGI timeline

drewsni: literally redlining lmao

clevermoniker: i think earliest for AGI is late 2026 as of now, but much more probable on 2027-28

clevermoniker: AGI for me is capable of automating 50% of digital jobs

spicy.lemonade: FASTER

spicy.lemonade: MORE

drewsni: tell tsmc to hurry up

clevermoniker: <@848793071579693107> what's your AGI timeline?

brain4brain: 2025.

brain4brain: AGI for me is capable of automating 90% of digital jobs

clevermoniker: <:shockedpikachu:1187466564551852175>

clevermoniker: so they will solve long term memory and resilience this year?

clevermoniker: <:doubt:1241973773683654719>

brain4brain: Yes

zoermena: You made a mistake, CM will bully you in perpetuity now

brain4brain: 2026 is also probably for me, some variation of my math says 2026, while the other say 2025 (we don’t talk about 2027)

brain4brain: It will happen

brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/100percent-happening-wes-bentley-jamie-dutton-yellowstone-accurate-gif-18587905

clevermoniker: <@848793071579693107> ok, so, let's say you are right and it happens this year, how long for ASI?

brain4brain: How many % do you think current system is capable of automating?

clevermoniker: without long term memory? not much that's for sure

brain4brain: 2026 - 2028

brain4brain: Give a vibe guesstimate

clevermoniker: why so big of a range?


himekokatagiri: he's PR

.histic: for who?

spicy.lemonade:

.histic: he isn't an OpenAI absolutist
he has shilled for other labs too

spicy.lemonade: idk why but lately

spicy.lemonade: ive been feeling the agi

spicy.lemonade: so hard

spicy.lemonade: anyone else relate?

spicy.lemonade: for the past week ive been very bulish

.histic: actually, Noam's answer gives me pessimism.
"like yeah we can topple ARC-AGI 2 by scaling inference but that doesn't mean it's AGI" basically.

metaldragon01: Yea o3 makes it feel much more real.

spicy.lemonade: nah

spicy.lemonade: i like this answer

spicy.lemonade: its his job as a researcher to not make claims hes not certain about

spicy.lemonade: also we knew this

spicy.lemonade: i think arc 3 will be the true agi test

spicy.lemonade: bc is also tests agency and learning new actions

spicy.lemonade: arc1 and 2 are incontext learning

spicy.lemonade: reason

fractalcomputer: I love agency. I'm feeling so agentic rn.

.histic: we need to RLHF you.

st.sioux: it was kind of a weird mood shift for me, models keep getting better but improvements in coding don't really feel substantial enough, personally

himekokatagiri: where's your manifesto, howard

fractalcomputer: I'm agentic all the time; in fact, in my favourite movie, they said "it's agenting time" and "agencied" all over the place.

himekokatagiri: I want to read it

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/morbius-im-about-to-morb-its-morbin-time-morbius-sweep-marvel-gif-25782014

himekokatagiri: I have to learn about my future overlords

himekokatagiri: so I can prepare

.histic: better at benchmarks but not real-world tasks ig.

st.sioux: yeah exactly

fractalcomputer: Never. Death to humans.

zoermena: I’ve started to feel AGI ever since I tested deep research for the first time, even with full o3 released I don’t have a lot of STEM tasks to test it on <:idk:1136264106937171999>

himekokatagiri: but I don't wanna die

himekokatagiri: why are like half of you

himekokatagiri: 'everyone must die'

spicy.lemonade: is there a server where i can debate anti ai people

himekokatagiri: what is this is your name not important

himekokatagiri: that's called trolling

spicy.lemonade: alot of their arguements arent based on fact and id like to debate

himekokatagiri: now they call it ragebait


precariousworlds.: China has insane infrastructure and their rapid development in the past few decades is one of the most tremendous feats in human history.
China is also an authoritarian oppressive police state, that is significantly poorer than the US in almost every metric

.wolfnacht: it's year 2064 and we are living under the one world govt of Chinese Shogunate

.wolfnacht: Also russians can't even make LLM's, Yandex's still making finetunes of L3. for their browser use case

precariousworlds.: China is nationalist in outlook, they don't want global domination, just a world order centered around them and Chinese hegemony, similar to how global trade revolved around China from ~500 BC to ~ 1600 AD

.histic: honestly, it's kind of weird to praise countries you don't live in or especially never visited.
 i noticed a lot of people really glazing/praising China when r1 happened, not only praising DeepSeek, but the actual country where DeepSeek came from. and the majority of these people have never lived in China nor plan to.
 it's pretty funny...
i can glaze the US because at least i actually live there and understand it.

st.sioux: why does it look like that

.histic: China probably loves those type of people.

wellmeaningalien: cuz i like it like that

hikukomoru: China loves me? 😍

.histic: Yes. They want you to visit there. : )

.histic: free round trip

precariousworlds.: Exactly
A lot of china looks flashy and futuristic, like Chongqing and Shenzhen, but when you look behind the central areas the real China appears
Tofu bricks, poverty, crackdown on dissent, pollution

.wolfnacht: Power always end up getting corrupted so. Even US was build on promises of freewill and idea of utopia. Maybe today they are not what they say, but that's not a guarantee.

precariousworlds.: But still China is a really impressive place and how they've lifted themselves out of poverty to being a superpower is again one of the most impressive feats in all of history

clevermoniker: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1136230110891081821/1354169149294772294/ccp-cheering.gif?ex=67eae74c&is=67e995cc&hm=6c8af51d08d87f2e0cc459478b5ff1918f32de26bb24ca8c0eed4c360863c3dc&

precariousworlds.: The USA follows a universal ideology, china doesn't really unless you count marxism, which has very little influence in modern Chinese society

.wolfnacht: Also, cheap labour is far important

hikukomoru: I'm going to ask Mr. Xi Jinping for a kiss 🥺

.histic: poverty can make people work hard..
especially when you've 1 billion+ people at your disposal.
newer generations in China are "lying-flat".

precariousworlds.: This is the no. 1 biggest obstacle for China, the entire country is dying
One of the most rapidly aging societies in the world
Hence why i think they'll make a big bet on automating the secondary sector

precariousworlds.: Still 1.4 billion people of mostly homogeneous language and culture is fucking insane

.histic: i think you'll like Xi Mingze.

.histic: are you in the US by any chance?

precariousworlds.: No UK

precariousworlds.: Well partly South Africa too

clevermoniker: just sing this first to have a chance:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EPuy59xHHFE

.histic: either way, our best strategy for the west is to offer visas to talented Chinese. i don't want an authoritarian nation to win the race to AGI. many may disagree, but it is what it is. i'm not in favor of banning Chinese products; the west relies heavily on china for manufacturing, but we must stay ahead by attracting skilled, hardworking Chinese. we can lose in all other technological accounts in the long-term if China does become the next world superpower, but in AI we must stay ahead.

.histic: have you watched serpentz by any chance? 😆
he's south african too.

wellmeaningalien: absolutely retarded idea to restrict visas for chinese machine learning experts

.histic: <@458069236825194506> damn

precariousworlds.: The West should minimize low skilled immigration and massively increase at all costs high skilled. The way we win (lee kuan yew recognized this) is by opening the floodgates to the best and brightest of the entire world. That includes a lot of Chinese, who are extremely talented. No one else can do this really

precariousworlds.: No actually

wellmeaningalien: damn i almost thought this was real for a sec

wellmeaningalien: that would be a damn good toy

precariousworlds.: Ngl I really love traditional Chinese culture and I'd love to see it have a bigger presence in western society
My dream for the US is to be a combination of the best from all cultures of humanity, United in one dream for the future
China can't do thar

st.sioux: they used ai for the magazine (they will be canceled)

st.sioux: oh wait im stupid

st.sioux: is it all ai? i cant tell 😔

precariousworlds.: Looks interesting

alejandrozarzuelo: your profile screams panhumanist globalist cosmopolitan


st.sioux: a llama that is of grand stature and authority

joaoluz19: If this were to happen, it would be a design problem. If we are talking about mind-uploading, I think it is perfectly possible to freely map and manipulate internal states with cost functions extracted from neural circuits.

Now, in the biological body, it is all about controlling processes at different scales, histological/cellular/subcellular and perhaps beyond. Nanorobots could probably be a solution. Since the literature on this is scarce, we could think of new architectures for neurophysiological stimulation.

But I think the focus should be solely on mind-uploading.

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/kuzco-emperor-emperors-new-groove-groove-react-gif-17845300621535099014

_3sphere: It's a mess because it's a philosophical problem, not a technical one

bob082957: I think the keyboard somehow sometimes leaks other people typing some quantum entanglement or some shit

_3sphere: you know, the common argument that the system needs to have suffering as a reference to be happy relative to

st.sioux: i don't think anyone has ever typed grand llama before

st.sioux: we might be the first

_3sphere: Some shitposter somewhere def did

okbut: Idk much about the field, but aside from ethics, I wonder if there are cost-effective proposals for gathering mind data yet

okbut: Preferentially one without surgery etc

_3sphere: Beta-uploading?

okbut: I'll read it <:PeepoHappy:402867832175460363>

joaoluz19: Ideally this should be answered with computational models of qualia.

_3sphere: If only those existed

joaoluz19: To do this, we first need to scale a series of intracellular neurophysiological recordings in the individual over time.

hikukomoru: Didn't happen
And if it did the Falun Gong deserved it

joaoluz19: My criticism is precisely that there is very little research dedicated to, for example, measuring the nerve impulses of the 86 billion neurons, not just one part

i_like_over_9000_turtles: Jesus Christ...

bob082957: Im wasn’t typing it. It was suggested from lm model im iPhone keyboard

_3sphere: Probably needs too many probes?

_3sphere: The stentrodes that recently got past some trials might help

hikukomoru:

_3sphere: https://www.fiercebiotech.com/medtech/synchrons-brain-computer-interface-clears-year-long-safety-study

joaoluz19: There are already many successful cases like Neuralink and I think that since 2022 it will be possible to do semantic and syntactic extraction, that is, the meaning of what you are thinking and what words you are thinking.

_3sphere: idk, for mind uploading this would have to run for years and years

_3sphere: so it catches everything about your mind

okbut: But oh man the billions that Neuralink had to throw at beauracracy alone for Neuralink

sarik0497: I think that's mostly due to
A) People don't really think or know about the Singularity.
And B) The Singularity can still be far, far away for all we know.

_3sphere: A diary and social media data export are still the leading mind upload tech

joaoluz19: Current electrodes are not scalable, nanorobots are a possibility and I have already seen a work by a researcher from Portugal on, don't know of any others.

okbut: Primates are so costly for pre-clinicals, I think the first cost-effective mind uploads will use external devices

joaoluz19: I'm talking about the group of people who really believe in singularity and are still like that.

_3sphere: The first "mind uploads" will be AIs made to model human psychology and fitted to an individual based on various records, with lots of debate about whether that counts as a mind upload

bob082957: Like zuk

okbut: Hmm yeah I see that being dubbed a biography upload

_3sphere: https://gwern.net/difference

sarik0497: Trust me when I say this: The moment there is a tiny hint that it's possible, the money will come pouring. Look at AI not too long ago and now as an example, and at gene therapies before and after CRISPR became well known.

joaoluz19: There are a few possibilities I was starting to explore before I abandoned neuroscience. Some of them might be that you can extract "identity" or "consciousness" which are different things from overlapping vector subspaces. I mean, you wouldn't need to measure "everything" of the brain

okbut: Is the idea to upload the "words" being fathomed by the mind or to encode/decode it as words?


wellmeaningalien: but at the same time not i guess

wellmeaningalien: nobody can tell

wellmeaningalien: after all all the recent developments have been so unexpected

sarik0497: Exactly, and that's the "scary" part for me. Imagine if we all get excited for nothing. I kind of doubt it given the vast amounts of money and of resources being poured into it right now, but you never know.

wellmeaningalien: indeed

wellmeaningalien: i guess thats why my best life advice for you right now probably is dont make any bold predictions about anything and dont live as if the economic system is gonna collapse or everyone is gonna die soon or

wellmeaningalien: because after all what can a peon like you can do if ASI does come to be

wellmeaningalien: great time to realise our time here is limited too and get out of your shell

sarik0497: Agreed. I give the same advice to everyone who comes asking "Should I do X and Y if AGI is just around the corner?"

If anything, even if AGI doesn't show up, these types of AI will change the world a bit.

wellmeaningalien: lol

hikukomoru: The quality of discussion has plummeted ever since I became active again

wellmeaningalien: people thinking they'll have an advantage or be more prepared than others because they invest in the S&P500 or the mag 7

hey1_1hey: Thats actually really solid advice

wellmeaningalien: yeah go away

hey1_1hey: I second this

st.sioux: i figure even if AGI doesn't come, current LLMs have already changed the way we work at my company at least

wellmeaningalien: true

wellmeaningalien: honestly

st.sioux: anyone who doesn't do it will just fall behind

wellmeaningalien: it's already clear ai that is capable of replacing economically valuable labor is around the corner

hey1_1hey: I dont think I will ever be writing emails at the very least

wellmeaningalien: so

sarik0497: But wow. Imagine if it actually plateaued. I wonder how much money these companies would have lost then.

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/ant-sad-stick-disappear-leaving-gif-3212333050776233083

st.sioux: it happens all the time

hey1_1hey: I weep a little for the private investors

hey1_1hey: How many hundreds of billions flushed own the toilet

wellmeaningalien: then id be excited because thatd mean there are new frontiers to explore in ai

st.sioux: we usually have to bail them out with our taxes if it gets too bad

st.sioux: lol

hey1_1hey: Yeah go and deatomise yourself in the back please

wellmeaningalien: a lot of people would be very very happy tho

sarik0497: Not with these types of money being thrown around. China is (I imagine) especially happy at throwing money at it.

hey1_1hey: Sounds fun. Would that actually be worth it in your eyes? Tax dollars going towards to devlop AGI. Atm its just private investors after all

st.sioux: meta is losing like 20 billion a year on VR alone

hey1_1hey: Why do you think they are more open to throw money at it? To get ahead of the west or smth?

hey1_1hey: Thats some adventure capatalist type money

wellmeaningalien: but they make great cheap headsets

sarik0497: Aye, but they were mostly alone in going that path. It's rare to see almost all the top tech companies throw so much money at something unless it's revolutionary.

wellmeaningalien: theyre betting on the future but i bet theyre gonna get outsold by some apple type company with the correct aura for consumers


alejandrozarzuelo: Probably the AI will also need to dumb down the results so anyone will understand it lol

spicy.lemonade: It will draw figures with native image and comic strips

spicy.lemonade: And write 3blue1brown animations

fractalcomputer: That's what literally every researcher has to do.

spicy.lemonade: We might actually get 75% frontier math this year

spicy.lemonade: Wow

alejandrozarzuelo: Yes but I meant dumb down from God like to human, not from human who has spent years doing research to educated human

fractalcomputer: And prithee, Alejandro, what do you think godlike mathematics looks like?

i_like_over_9000_turtles: The new how is Amazon nova

i_like_over_9000_turtles: Haven't seen much about it yet

alejandrozarzuelo: Probably it will involve chaining so many results together, so many proofs one after the other that no human could ever come up with that, on the extreme case, so much that no human could ever learn all the results involved due to the sheer amount, let alone chaining them

st.sioux: if it discovers stuff that fast what is the point of even learning it

fractalcomputer: You're presenting mathematics from a very computationalist narrative.

st.sioux: like it will just keep going

spicy.lemonade: NO WALL

spicy.lemonade: GOOGLE DEEPMIND

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: Google deepmind a new
Paper on their road to agi

spicy.lemonade: LFG

fractalcomputer: Why, a thousand monkeys with enough time and enough typewriters could produce such mathematics.

alejandrozarzuelo: The brain can only store so much information

There could be proofs that require more information than the brain could allocate completely, which would mena mo human would ever understand it

It's less computational angle, and more information theory angle, although I suppose that is a branch of computation

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: wtf

spicy.lemonade: 2030

spicy.lemonade: Bruh

zonchao: https://x.com/midjourney/status/1907448337047208281? big

spicy.lemonade: This is the first time a research lab has written in a paper the exact date

alejandrozarzuelo: If you think this is what I was referring to, then you didn't understand my comment

fractalcomputer: Very evidently you think that mathematics is a case of stringing together maximally coherent statements.

spicy.lemonade: Oh shit

spicy.lemonade: 2029

spicy.lemonade: True agi by Demi’s definition 2030

fractalcomputer: Watch as absolutely nothing happens.

spicy.lemonade: https://storage.googleapis.com/deepmind-media/DeepMind.com/Blog/evaluating-potential-cybersecurity-threats-of-advanced-ai/An_Approach_to_Technical_AGI_Safety_Apr_2025.pdf

spicy.lemonade: Deepmind is more trustworthy in terms of research than openAI

spicy.lemonade: I believe them

alejandrozarzuelo: Mathematics does in fact require linking proofs one after the other

We start with some axioms, and we work from there

That's what mathematics is all about, coherent statements backed by previous ones

zonchao: if google can do it by 2030,openai agi 2028 confirmed

.wolfnacht: !remind me 1826 days.

Carl-bot#1536: Time is either in an inappropriate location, which must be either at the end or beginning of your input, or I just flat out did not understand what you meant. Sorry.


alejandrozarzuelo: I love Paris

alejandrozarzuelo: Hmmmm

futurist_wizard: I remember taking that gif in paris it really is paris

wellmeaningalien: facts

wellmeaningalien: i was born there

wellmeaningalien: <a:droid_cry_squish:1229586954518007869>

alejandrozarzuelo: Damn the downgrade

alejandrozarzuelo: Paris is the best

wellmeaningalien: mèh

alejandrozarzuelo: People hate paris because they are envious

futurist_wizard: London is a bit better

futurist_wizard: But only a tad

alejandrozarzuelo: No lol, London is very chaotic, Paris is much more orderly

alejandrozarzuelo: Also, paris is now more pedestrian friendly

futurist_wizard: Brother you ain't got no clue dawg

futurist_wizard:

alejandrozarzuelo: How? I've recently been to both

rayanquitplayin: I fw Paris

alejandrozarzuelo: Paris is improving so much

futurist_wizard:

alejandrozarzuelo: It was great, now it's amazing

rayanquitplayin: London was cool too, I like overseas

alejandrozarzuelo: I don't, I have proof

alejandrozarzuelo: You are a continental yuro too?

futurist_wizard: Don't send your balls again

futurist_wizard: You did that last time

alejandrozarzuelo: ?

alejandrozarzuelo: What

rayanquitplayin: I’m American

alejandrozarzuelo: Ah

rayanquitplayin: Ohio

futurist_wizard: If i could move to any country it would be Switzerland

rayanquitplayin: I went there in middle school, it was beauutiful

futurist_wizard: Its basically the best country in da world

alejandrozarzuelo: Booooooooring

futurist_wizard: Most scenic country ever, high living standards, no crime

alejandrozarzuelo: No big cities anywhere

rayanquitplayin: Clean air, clean water, financial capital

hikukomoru: That's a plus

alejandrozarzuelo: No big cities tho


trojan09205: Whole foods stopped selling sage. How lame

.wolfnacht: Why these secret model names sound like pokemon moves?

Whats the next gonna be?
Leafblade? Solarbeam? Gigadrain? PhantomForce? Aquatail? Ironhead?

bob082957: https://vxtwitter.com/kritarthmittal/status/1918251714223739324#m

ai9708: did you try it yet?

ai9708: damn microsoft going off in the stock market

.wolfnacht: nope not yet.

zonchao: pamp it

gamerbath: why+

nsec: DuckDynasty

nsec: <a:CB_duckwalk:804823764004765786>

trojan09205: have u guys ever seen the bradley cooper and jlaw movie 'silver linings playbook'

trojan09205: its fire af

nsec: <:CB_stare_mike:760238008782815242>

nsec: no

nsec: its absolutely important u all vote in this serious poll

nsec: (https://discord.com/channels/1136230110261952532/1227814510429995049/1367940789849555107)

nsec: wow

nsec: 1 guy went right for it

nsec: zero hesitation

nsec: I respect it

gamerbath: easiest poll in my life

drewsni: Yeah wtf if anyone answers anything but “a worthy sacrifice” they should be banned immediately

aero447: You guys are joking right.

aero447: 💀

_3sphere: Is it guaranteed to go well

_3sphere: the poll singularity

drewsni: It’s the singularity, I’ll just get a new dick

aero447: ...

aero447: Guys you're all nuts.

gamerbath: <@201421883198013440> explain urself

_3sphere: Not after the Faustian bargain in question

aero447: I feel the *YOU* have to cut your dick off part is being ignored.

aero447: Like it doesn't fall off or magically vanish.

aero447: You, you personally have to do it.

aero447: 💀

drewsni: Ok

drewsni: I’ll do it

aero447: 💀

aero447: The pain?

gamerbath: i'm still down


hey1_1hey: Didn't know cock fool was chill like that

brain4brain: I am always Brain4Brain

brain4brain: Kungfu panda

futurist_wizard: Im gonna cut my cock off and replace it with a clock

hey1_1hey: Can confirm. I have seen you in youtube comments on a unrealted minecraft video and your xitter account

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/emoji-turning-smiling-smile-laughing-gif-25966841

hey1_1hey: Thats a great idea. Then you can check the time without looking weird

brain4brain: Real, I totally don’t have a secret second internet  identity

zonchao: https://x.com/OpenAI/status/1911782243640754634 quasar

futurist_wizard:

brain4brain: Singularity ❌
Quasar ✅

hikukomoru: Findind B4B outside of here must be crazy

hey1_1hey: Its the singualrity trust

brain4brain: Singularity ✅
Quasar ❌

zonchao: heard the google model is better than quasar though

brain4brain: I’m everywhere

hey1_1hey: B4B?

hikukomoru: Boob4Boob

zonchao: yea same

zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

hikukomoru: Balls4Balls

brain4brain: It’s a thinking model <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

Quasar rawdog

gamerbath: yoooo

gamerbath: quasar!!!

brain4brain: Band4band

hey1_1hey: Finding "boob for boob" outside here must be crzy

hey1_1hey: <:suseye:1187461162024046703>

brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/central-centralcee-centralcee-gif-central-cee-gif-central-gif-gif-17341157474231746607

hey1_1hey: Seems legit

zonchao: https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1911752776537063778

gamerbath: wait it looks like I cropped the image in a bit of an akward place. it's supposed to say supermassive black *hole*

hey1_1hey: People of the internet, I want to know. Why do people act like this?

hikukomoru: You can never find me outside of here
Only on discord I am Komoru

spicy.lemonade: HOLY CRAP

hey1_1hey: Theres no way people actually feel like this

futurist_wizard:

brain4brain: Idk

hey1_1hey: Thats a good ass clip

hikukomoru: Good ass clip 🫦

.0xunkn0wn: 😨


3ds0662: lets hope gpt-5 is not a dissappointment

3ds0662: can't wait to try o3 promode though

.histic: you're underwhelmed because you fed into the hype.
if you see how o3-mini & o1 performed, you'd realize it's a pretty noticeable gain.
benchmarks show this well.
it will continue like this, and full o4 or GPT-5 will be a delight.
unless you believe AGI will happen in 2025 or 2026, there's no reason to have high expectations.

ailoveyoom: My expectations were somewhere around 2.5 Pro

brain4brain:

brain4brain: MichMach predicted it exactly

ailoveyoom: Now 2.5 Flash Thinking when 😔

destrucules: Hopefully HLE turns out to be very g-loaded, but, so far, the scores we've seen on that benchmark don't seem to accurately capture the intelligence of the models scoring those scores, at least relative to one another. FrontierMath is just maths so it's a terrible way to gauge general intelligence.

a1c4p0ne: Who would you trust with your life to make decisions, o3 or 2.5 pro in squid games

sieventer: 2.5 Pro

destrucules: I want a new version of MMLU that isn't saturated. The best I have right now are MMLU-Pro and MMMLU. But those are nearly saturated

destrucules: MMLU-Pro is showing very strong saturation effects already. They kick in around a score of 80

destrucules: And I think GPQA Diamond may also be showing saturation effects in the 80s

a1c4p0ne: Why not o3 <:ez:1136267305521774634>

.histic: flash models are supposed to be non-reasoning models.
i wouldn't be surprised if it's somehow better than 4.5 on LiveBench & has better vibes too <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
2.0 pro was a non-reasoning model released 4 months ago and it has very close benchmarks to 4.5.

sieventer: I really have good experiences from 2.5 Pro, tbh

destrucules: MMMLU is very unlikely to saturate higher than MMLU itself, and frontier models score around 87, so we don't have much time left on that either

destrucules: Um... Where did you get that idea?

destrucules: That Flash models are supposed to be non reasoning models?

ailoveyoom: Just make a new one, MMMMLU

destrucules: So o3 mini and o4 mini aren't reasoning models?

destrucules: Grok 3 mini isn't a reasoning model?

.histic: speculation

sieventer: Mooooooo 🐮

destrucules: Gemini 2.0 Flash Thinking isn't a reasoning model?

destrucules: Fair enough. In that case I simply disagree

ailoveyoom: 🥛 😏

ailoveyoom: Afaik, 2.5 Flash will be like 2.5 Pro. It'll have reasoning, but won't be marked as a reasoning model.

a1c4p0ne: Does it give you the correct answer to most of your questions?

destrucules: Given that Gemini 2.5 Pro is just called Gemini 2.5 Pro, I suspect all of the 2.5 models are reasoning models, and none of them will be pure. Furthermore, I strongly suspect Gemini 2.5 Pro is just Gemini 2.0 Pro + RL, so I expect Gemini 2.5 Flash to be the same.

destrucules: Have you talked to it?

destrucules: It's smarter than you

a1c4p0ne: Yes

destrucules: It's smarter than me

sieventer: Yep

sieventer: I mean

destrucules: I think very few if any humans are smarter than Gemini 2.5 Pro

sieventer: It gives very interesting insights, it's not *perfect* tho but, it's the best model I've talked to yet

a1c4p0ne: It only hallucinated when I asked it to give me a 7 characters vanity plate ideas

a1c4p0ne: It gave me 6 characters for a few


brain4brain: Why are there no OpenAI release today

trey6033: They released twice this week already

spicy.lemonade: o4 mini high cant solve this

spicy.lemonade: neither can 2.5

spicy.lemonade: no model has been able to solve yet

metaldragon01: Did you try o3?

spicy.lemonade: ran out lol

spicy.lemonade: gonna ask on lmsys

.coldcall: I ran it through o3 and it was so close except it interpreted the x^2 as x^3

.coldcall: That is a fucked up 2 though, so no shade.

metaldragon01: So it's the vision model that's slightly off

spicy.lemonade: no

.coldcall:

spicy.lemonade: well i didnt try with o3 yet

.coldcall: Wat even

spicy.lemonade: but its pi^3/96

trojan09205: Did you try wolfram alpha 😏

spicy.lemonade: 3.5 gets close but doesnt get it even after multiple tries

spicy.lemonade: doesnt get it

spicy.lemonade: only calculates it computationaly

trojan09205: ??

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: it only gives me the reinman sum value

spicy.lemonade: 0.322...

spicy.lemonade: not

spicy.lemonade: pi^3/96

spicy.lemonade: it didnt solve it

trojan09205: Isnt the reimann sum a valid answer for a definite integral

spicy.lemonade: thats easy to calculate

spicy.lemonade: not the point of this

spicy.lemonade: you can calculate the hardest integrals with a python script to just add rectangles

spicy.lemonade: but you will never get the actual solution

spicy.lemonade: just approximation

trojan09205: Okay

trojan09205: Can you show your own proof or chain of thought

spicy.lemonade: of what

trojan09205: The answer

spicy.lemonade:

trojan09205: Are you thinking in terms or radians or something like that

spicy.lemonade: no solving this involves seeing the structure of the integral and recognizing what tricks to use and special functions


nsec: serious replies onlu

nsec: ty

zonchao: <a:Peepo_Wave:832187545328287774>

nobodyisugly: <a:MumeiWave:1101433307343892490>

nobodyisugly: Hello, i was just invited to this server more or less random and am too lazy to look, what is this server about?

fractalcomputer: Zon, why did you invite this person?

nsec: sacrificing pets to Jesus

nsec: machine Jesus

zonchao: <a:droid_cry_squish:1212852710999859283>

fractalcomputer: More or less right.

hikukomoru: Gooning

fractalcomputer: Keep the fetish posting to a minimum.

fractalcomputer:

nobodyisugly: First impression of this server: <a:BatemanNice:1009821403245191228>

gamerbath: this server is about discussion and praising related to the upcoming machine god

nobodyisugly: Second impression is even better

fractalcomputer: I need more whiskey.

gamerbath: <@899357725161578567> do you know what AGI is?

hikukomoru:

fractalcomputer: People goon on meth? Dear God. I didn't know we were that depraved.

nobodyisugly: I have gooned wrong my entire life, brb

hikukomoru: <@439829942310666250> <@430269783112548362>

fractalcomputer: These two goon on meth?

hey1_1hey: Yeah, obv

himekokatagiri: My god

hey1_1hey: You don't?

himekokatagiri: Mushroom man scares me cuz he's gonna enslave us with his spores

fractalcomputer: I do not goon.

himekokatagiri: 😨

hikukomoru: They talk about that non-stop in off-topic

hey1_1hey: So you do meth

hey1_1hey: Good to know

hey1_1hey: Among other things

fractalcomputer: No, albeit I've been offered. The person in question rescinded his offer after considering the consequences; he was "afraid" of what I could accomplish under its influence.

hey1_1hey: You make it seem like he thinks its a wonder drug. "I don't think I can give you this... its too powerful! You'll be too productive you see"

fractalcomputer: Maybe the person offering and selling amphetamine aren't the smartest people, you see.

nobodyisugly: It isn't?

hey1_1hey: You had to pay aswell? Now thats a scam. I thought they were just offering it for free

hey1_1hey: Not to my knowledge, I can't speak from expereince

fractalcomputer: No, I didn't pay because I didn't purchase or take any.


alejandrozarzuelo: I am just here for the ride, FOMO is probably the second thing keeping me alive

Gratitude is probably the firsr6

hikukomoru: I for one like being an individual

alejandrozarzuelo: They are not incompatible

himekokatagiri: me toooo

alejandrozarzuelo: People need to learn graph theory ffs

fractalcomputer: Gratitude is the thing keeping you alive? Not spite?

futurist_wizard: My guy avoids conflict like the plague

perish0801: If anyone enjoys living and doesn’t wanna die the next given moment they are grateful to be alive whether they say it out loud or not

hikukomoru: How is individualism compatible with hive mind

futurist_wizard: **Literally this**

trent_k: he'll be elected for his access to children

trent_k: and his willingness to work with sex offenders

trent_k: 😱

alejandrozarzuelo: Nope, I am just feel so privileged, my life is filled with so much pleasure and joy that I cannot but feel grateful for being alive now

trent_k: hell yes brother we need more of this type of posting

trent_k: life is so good

st.sioux: so what you mean when you say "being grateful of being alive" is really "not actively wanting to die or being suicidal"

himekokatagiri: I guess I'm happy that I ain't dead but my life could be better lol

trojan09205: Yeah but you also need to find a will to live even if life sucks in a hard labor camp

futurist_wizard: Imagine asking mrbeast what to do about contentious issues like immigration or trans rights. Guy would be like 'uhh well uhh i will do the right thing'

perish0801: If you’re enjoying life as a whole you probably appreciate the fact that you were born is basically what I mean

himekokatagiri: I hope ASI uplifts us

perish0801: What’s hard to understand

trent_k: everyone tag yourself. which one is your favorite

fractalcomputer: Merged Mind.

futurist_wizard: We will literally live in discord...

fractalcomputer: So true... AGI by 2027!!

trent_k: i think i like concensus consciousness best. seems the most viable for maintaining myself in the hive

st.sioux: because you seem to be conflating not being grateful with wanting to be dead, which seems too binary

perish0801: Consensus seems good

fractalcomputer: Why would you want to maintain yourself in a hive mind? I thought the whole point was absolving man of the original sin of individuality?

trent_k: nah i just wanna chill with my boys

himekokatagiri: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

himekokatagiri: why are you guys being weird

hikukomoru: needs less capitalization

perish0801: Being grateful by action vs being grateful by observation are different

trent_k: anyway, women won't be allowed to join the hive mind

futurist_wizard: We already are in a loosely tied hivemind

hikukomoru: Where do you think we are

fractalcomputer: Why don't you want to participate in a mental orgy?


hikukomoru: It's funny

spicy.lemonade: because they were coping

avizuradnb: You have to keep the style consistent though for the next one

spicy.lemonade: shit

anathemaofmankind: I'm staring to feel empathy for these bozos

spicy.lemonade: 😭

spicy.lemonade: we should all start an AI hate rally

spicy.lemonade: gonna generate some obv AI art

spicy.lemonade: and ask if its ai

spicy.lemonade: cause I cant tell

st.sioux: if its bad then its real

st.sioux: 🤯

anathemaofmankind: Proof that AI is superior

drewsni: guys its been like 72 hours now and i havent stopped ghiblifying my whole world i need help

trent_k: Very cool

st.sioux: ghibli dale earnhardt

st.sioux: you can just keep retrying it usually works after like 10 seconds

drewsni:

drewsni:

metaldragon01: https://x.com/sama/status/1905296867145154688

trent_k: Am I tripping or what's wrong with my ChatGPT

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpsons-end-of-the-world-end-is-near-gif-16593998

anathemaofmankind: This piece of balls

anathemaofmankind: I'm gonna kick him in the legs

anathemaofmankind: If the rate limits are too high I'm going to abuse my six gmail accounts

st.sioux: tell it to make an image

anathemaofmankind: Low rate limits rather

spicy.lemonade: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

otub: i do this too with free tier

spicy.lemonade: ive generated like 100 images

realelonmuskx: is there 4o image jailbreak i want anime tiddies

anathemaofmankind: Same

st.sioux: nvm

metaldragon01: https://x.com/sama/status/1905296868495826966

anathemaofmankind: YESSSSS

anathemaofmankind: Give me interracial fascist cuckold photos

trent_k: Why the fuck is mine not working???????

anathemaofmankind: Stop using the ChatGPT app

anathemaofmankind: Bro

trent_k:


retrerox: what you want to test?

wellmeaningalien: idk test anything

wellmeaningalien: ask it what are the most promising potential ai models coming soon as of this date

futurist_wizard: Llama 5

retrerox: *A very very long text*

spicy.lemonade: No humanities last exam?

wellmeaningalien: well?

futurist_wizard: Humanities last anime pfp

retrerox: Here's a shorter summary of the most promising AI models expected soon (as of April 2025):

Key Trends: Multimodal capabilities (text, image, audio), longer context windows, efficient deployment, tool integration, and improved reasoning are central.

Top Expected Models:

GPT-4.5 ('Orion'): Enhanced knowledge, emotional intelligence, and multimodality.
Grok 3: Focus on advanced reasoning and real-time data access.
Gemini 2.0: Real-time multimodal processing and action-taking capabilities.
DeepSeek R1: Reasoning-first model for science, coding, and math, with cost-efficiency.
Claude 3.7: Safe interactions with advanced coding and transparent reasoning.
Llama 3: Powerful and free open-source model for businesses.
Overarching Developments: More accessible AI, advanced AI agents, AI-generated training environments, central role of multimodal AI, emphasis on reasoning, efficient smaller models, near-infinite memory potential, and human-AI collaboration.

These models aim for greater power, versatility, accessibility, and real-world integration.

futurist_wizard: Its low iq

futurist_wizard: Agi over

futurist_wizard: Token predictor

wellmeaningalien: oh yeah also ask it "based on all available information, weigh the possibilities and make a theory/scennario on when the coming of widespread unemployment caused by the progress in artificial intelligence could come, considering the possible difficulties that may arrive"

wellmeaningalien: yeah its stupid idk why i wasted my time on this

retrerox: which one should i click on? 😂

wellmeaningalien: <a:skullemoj:1107004725980835991>

wellmeaningalien: DEEP RESEARCH BROOOOO

futurist_wizard: Deep research 🫦

st.sioux: dont yell at himbro

st.sioux: im gonna punch u

wellmeaningalien: mr bourgeois let us get a taste

wellmeaningalien: i ought to teach some sense into that boy

wellmeaningalien: come at me man

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/cell-dragon-ball-dragon-ball-z-cell-games-arrive-gif-12626123329263234447

wellmeaningalien: look like this irl btw ↑

retrerox:

wellmeaningalien: cooool

wellmeaningalien: so this is actual deep research

wellmeaningalien: man you almost had us with that 2.0 flash fakeout this one better be worth it

retrerox: y

wellmeaningalien: cause

wellmeaningalien: this is 2.0 flash right?

retrerox: ye

darkstar0818: it doesn't yet report new in gemini app for deepresearch u sure its already rolled out

retrerox: i didnt changed b4

wellmeaningalien: lol

wellmeaningalien: ok use the other question too i still wanna like benchmark it a little

retrerox: want me to do the same qeustion again?

darkstar0818: my guess is we gotta wait a bit

wellmeaningalien: see if it actuall has a grasp of whats goin on


abundantliving_: He has some good ideas , but now it seems like most of his content is ai slop.

abundantliving_: He is fighting trolls and because of that he thinks everyone is a troll. Not able to take even light hearted comments .

seventales: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/868090714590965802/1359953441161740448/Tumblr_l_44821653196806.gif

sieventer: I won't ever empathize with furries, as much I try :·(

_cloudost:

abundantliving_: Catgirls are your favourite tho , is it?

sieventer: Not my favorite, but they're awesome. But mainly because they are anime chicks, my preference

spicy.lemonade: O4 mini is now confirmed

spicy.lemonade: The #1 competitive programmer

spicy.lemonade: Wow

memlaswaif: where

spicy.lemonade: Check Reddit you’ll see

spicy.lemonade: The cfo said it

memlaswaif: i deleted reddit

spicy.lemonade: 💀

spicy.lemonade: OpenAI has 100s of instances

spicy.lemonade: Maybe thousands

spicy.lemonade: Of the #1 competitive programmer

spicy.lemonade: Imagine what kind of algorithm research they’re doing

spicy.lemonade: And they get to check each others work

spicy.lemonade: Holy

spicy.lemonade: Insanity

memlaswaif: she said o3 mini <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>

memlaswaif: https://tenor.com/view/webdivoalex-monkey-monkey-dress-cute-monkey-macaco-gif-14810823841472820567

memlaswaif: Why not real girls

spicy.lemonade: she mispoke

spicy.lemonade: o3 mini isnt #1

spicy.lemonade: o3 mini is 175th

.wolfnacht: catgirls are overhyped

memlaswaif: she is probably lying

memlaswaif: sam said they have like the 50th best programmer around the same timeframe

memlaswaif: don't set ureself up for fake hype

spicy.lemonade: what

spicy.lemonade: no

spicy.lemonade: why would she lie

spicy.lemonade: the model comes out netx week

memlaswaif: idk

spicy.lemonade: 💀

memlaswaif: its either one or the other

spicy.lemonade: its not hard to jump from 50 to # 1


otub: [shoggoth](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1311426675149639720.webp?size=48&name=shoggoth)

aero447: <@750270494615404544>

aero447:

aero447: Come out.

ldj: But either way it's a quite arbitrary definition that doesn't define any singular point in time is what I mean.

ldj: Like the world likely won't look very different with an AI capable of doing 50% of jobs veresus 51% of jobs

ldj: the world will probably look basically identical in both scenarios don't you agree?

aero447: Finish reading the sentence.

aero447: Very important.

aero447: 🤣

okbut: It gets into trivial/political territory but I think there would also be a margin where societies have to pick up a socialist economic system because of the amount of takeover by the AI
Maybe that's a fair point to define it as such

aero447: You mean UBI.

okbut: Yes

zoermena: Scientific discovery is humanities priority for abundance. - Zor

aero447: TBH objectively there will never be such a thing as 50% automated.

aero447: It's not actually possible.

aero447: Fantasy land logic.

ldj: There was multiple sentences, and yes I read the whole thing.

aero447: I meant of your reply.

aero447: "Like the world likely won't look very different with an AI capable of doing 50% of jobs"

okbut: I don't know, it might be easy to say that all modern jobs are automated to a certain percent, the way that is gauged is a bit subjective though
For example, agriculture in the US

ldj: Do you mean like 100% socialist or communism?
Because the current US system as well as most first world countries already have socialist governance integrated, it just hasn't taken over 100% of the government.

aero447: No, you misunderstand, 50% is impossible.

okbut: I said "Socialist" as a means of assuming nobody knew what UBI is lol

aero447: Think about the types of work in an economy.

aero447: There is a HUGE skill overlap.

ldj: You can just say everybody gets large welfare paychecks, I think that communicates the point better for people that don't know what UBI is <:berk:750111476483752166>

aero447: If it can do 50% it can easily do 90%.

aero447: 50% in a modern economy covers too many areas.

okbut: I agree that there would be that exponential takeover, but it also further exacerbates my frustration with the common definition for AGI

aero447: It'd be like saying oh I can sprint but can't hop, jog or walk.

ldj: neither of those are percentages or gradients in your message

aero447: ???

aero447: Sprinting is faster jogging which itself is faster walking.

ldj: An analogy of sprinting to walking and jogging is not a comparable analogy in this conversation, since that's not represented as a gradient or percenatage like Job capabilities are here.

aero447: Hopping is incredibly similar.

aero447: It is.

aero447: Jobs have skill overlap.

ldj: So at what percent sprinting do you think hopping is achieved?

ldj: <:thinkies:872847213657735239>


fuhulootogan: Is there a limit to AI progress?

.wolfnacht: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bByzpkBN39k

alejandrozarzuelo: yes

alejandrozarzuelo: yes

alejandrozarzuelo: there is a limit to progress too

alejandrozarzuelo: the global economy was roughly 10^16 economic units (approx 1 US cent) in 2000

alejandrozarzuelo: the global economy being very conservative multiplies by 10 every century

alejandrozarzuelo: the universe has 10^180 plank length voxels

alejandrozarzuelo: this means, that at current rates, at most, we could grow at our current rates for 18000 years

alejandrozarzuelo: thats barely anything

alejandrozarzuelo: growth will soon end

ailoveyoom: https://fxtwitter.com/repligate/status/1910835003488887295?t=Fv-ZnQTpcmNV7Dsf5JYAeA&s=19

ailoveyoom: <@723564215574462474> <@378996537704841216>

ailoveyoom: 😔

ailoveyoom: Is this real 😭

fuhulootogan: Need to switch to a socialist system as the AI Revolution comes

st.sioux: youll probably just starve

fuhulootogan: Well, yeah

fuhulootogan: but it's desirable

trent_k:

fuhulootogan: Srinivasa Ramanujan;

okbut: Good point, because once "AGI" replaces all the (Software) jobs, there will be nothing left but mines and farm work

okbut:

trent_k: but sir, after the AGI revolution I was supposed to get a job as an FDVR anime waifu appraiser!

alejandrozarzuelo: wtf lol

alejandrozarzuelo: no

alejandrozarzuelo: why woud you have hoomans doing that

alejandrozarzuelo: so inefficient

okbut: I'm not a decel but every time this shit gets brought up my point is <a:talk2dawall:855515549245505536>

alejandrozarzuelo: nah unemployment will be total

alejandrozarzuelo: humans wont have the need to work

okbut: Just one more model bro
I swear bro this time it's it

.wolfnacht: i went to inzoi reviews to check and found another one

ailoveyoom: What does bro mean made mostly using AI 😭

ailoveyoom: They have pretty cool AI integrated features tbh

.wolfnacht: he even refunded bcz of that lmao

ailoveyoom: I wish other customization based games did the same thing

.wolfnacht: cod did that too which looked cool but people still got pissed off back then bcz of it

ailoveyoom: What AI features did they have?

abundantliving_: https://x.com/Dr_Singularity/status/1910694592615239833


fractalcomputer: But no, you really do not unless you have an implicit idea of what intelligence is.

brain4brain: I don’t understand why would company gatekept AGI and not announce it

spicy.lemonade: they wouldnt

spicy.lemonade: unless its ssi

spicy.lemonade: who has their explicit reasons

aero447: 2035.

aero447: https://tenor.com/view/it-is-known-game-of-thrones-it%27s-understood-everyone-knows-we-know-gif-9361879955269503159

spicy.lemonade: 2032 at latest

aero447: https://tenor.com/view/cloud9crypto-twitter-digibyte-time-decentralized-gif-17753062

agezes: ey guys maybe not really related

agezes: but i need people to share a link for a game

agezes: its ''where winds meet''

agezes: https://tenor.com/view/china-chinese-where-winds-meet-wimmerrad-gif-26554145

agezes: its like an asian mithology rpg

agezes: can i share the link here?

agezes: basically the registration for the beta

agezes: if its not allowed ill deleted myself

agezes: no problem

sieventer: <#1136231504440201216>

sieventer: <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>

sieventer: I have to do Fractals job

agezes: okey

agezes: ill send it there

fractalcomputer: I don't get paid to be mean to people. I do it out of passion.

sieventer: <:wut:1136268236346884157> <:HP_smile:1249765744833462296>

stronak: Hi guys, i am beginner in this area. How do you decide which AI model to use for a specific task? Any good leaderboards or resources?

stronak: I'm working on a project and wondering how others go about choosing the most suitable AI model for their use case. There are so many options (LLMs, vision models, foundation models, etc.), and I’m not sure what to use.

Are there any reliable leaderboards, benchmarking platforms, or comparison resources that help evaluate models based on task type (e.g., preparing academic document, deep research, coding or any specific purposes)?

brain4brain: https://x.com/_akhaliq/status/1913162382559322526?s=61

brain4brain: LMarena prompt-to-leaderboard, but you can just wing it with Gemini-2.5-pro or Claude-3.7-sonnet, there is basically no noticeable difference

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: Made this with o4 mini and 2.5

spicy.lemonade: Text is very like messy

stronak: Thx, I am currently more interested in preparing a project proposal. Is there a model that works well for this type of issues? I am also looking for a model that can help me find suitable methods. In my tests, o3 and 2.5 pro did not do a bad job, but 2.5 pro was a bit plain in its method recommendations..

brain4brain: 2.5 pro and o3 is basically the best model right now, maybe try promoting it more

stronak: Thank you

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: oh shit

spicy.lemonade:

abundantliving_:


fractalcomputer: You want to see intellectual masturbation? https://youtu.be/6HCz1tFqIcs?si=Z1A-BNqE4W9ihmQs

hey1_1hey: Thats just called a circle jerk, sir.

precariousworlds.: keep it sfw damn

st.sioux: all these fancy words mean nothing to me

hikukomoru: Extremely high iq gooning

ailoveyoom: Just think of it like foreign dirty talk

hikukomoru: Advanced gooning

ailoveyoom: You lack imagination

fractalcomputer: She étale-like on my Θ±ellNF-Hodge theater until I Frobenioid.

hey1_1hey: Of course thats the message that does it

hey1_1hey: We are all so childish

joaoluz19: <@749514473303179358>

fractalcomputer: No. The proposition has been posed previously and has been rejected each time.

precariousworlds.: singularitygonewild

joaoluz19: I mean we already have a tag

joaoluz19:

precariousworlds.: jannies took the waifus away from us

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/kitagawa-goon-off-anime-girl-no-goon-off-gif-13772684617065959009

precariousworlds.: smh

hey1_1hey: I should create a compilation of all the wild shit we say on a day to day bassis

hey1_1hey: Mich mach would win and I dont think it would be close

precariousworlds.: enough to write entire sagas

sarik0497: Btw, who is the moderators of r/Singularity? I feel like the sub is turning more and more into r/Futurology 2.0

fractalcomputer: I am.

joaoluz19: Sheesh

hey1_1hey: I got a lot of messages to sift through

sarik0497: Well, what's up with all the AI hate <:sad_cat:873457028981481473>

fractalcomputer: I dunno.

precariousworlds.: Eh it goes up and down
Occasionally annoying reddit commies invade from main page but usually doesnt last

futurist_wizard: In singularity?

hikukomoru: Ye

sarik0497: I don't mind if people call out fake hype or have their preferences, but some of the things are just downright AI hate.

hey1_1hey: The reddit is very luddie

precariousworlds.: biblical level epic

futurist_wizard: People cant dick suck ai enough in singularity idk what you are talkin bout

hikukomoru: This happens to every subreddit after it hits 100k members
And r/singularity is at 3 mil

sarik0497: The Reddit is very "If you don't live EXACTLY like us, you are a scumbag"

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/you-wouldnt-get-it-joker-smoking-gif-15952801

precariousworlds.: you can usually tell when people havent used chatgpt since 2022 when they say shit like "its a bubble" or "just fancy autocorrect lol"

hikukomoru: Are we looking at the same subreddit


ai9708: you improve your state day by day, month by month

metaldragon01: This acceleration is faster than even I expected

literallyvarane: Watch this thing be memes and get 87% on arc2

sarik0497: Are we back? What did I miss?

metaldragon01: Gemini 2.5 thinking today and likely astra announcement

clevermoniker: astra?

metaldragon01: The lymsys model this is suspected to be is sota

shirethedreamer: we already had an astra anouncment like 10 months ago

metaldragon01: Vision capabilities for gemini in real time

metaldragon01: Google wants to push pro subs

shirethedreamer: https://twitter.com/Google/status/1790433789811753460
may 2024

clevermoniker: <:shockedpikachu:1187466564551852175> <:bingus:1136264105800515644> sounds cool <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>

shirethedreamer: 💀 💀 💀

literallyvarane: Yall gotta chill it MIGHT happen today

metaldragon01: People have access already

literallyvarane: Remember when we all sat here thinking 4.5 was dropping last December?

metaldragon01: Seems like it's rolling out

literallyvarane: December 2023 lololol

literallyvarane: Not even 2024

clevermoniker: V3 2403 is 4.5 level <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>

clevermoniker: i like it pretty much

clevermoniker: so far

shirethedreamer: or when we thought gpt4 image modality would be coming out

metaldragon01: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bard/comments/1jjk4au/i_got_access_to_project_astra_on_my_pixel_7_pro/

.wolfnacht: i need sillytavern preset and temps for V3 (new)

sarik0497: Sorry to butt into the discussion like this, but I also think it’s alright to have something to hope/cope with.
Some people are just born being overly nervous and scared, and if believing in something gives them peace, then go for it, I say.

I’ve myself considered cryo sleep if I end up getting too old and no LEV is in sight, because even if I die, I can die with the hope that I may be resurrected. If it doesn’t happen, then I won’t even know.

wellmeaningalien:

wellmeaningalien: Finally i get to use this

metaldragon01: Pixel priority is usual for new google features as well

sarik0497: Hoping for something neat and not just another “model is 3.25% better” sthick

aero447: Guys.

aero447: China are cooking.

clevermoniker: i don't have those sadly

clevermoniker: i just use my custom prompt on OR

metaldragon01: It's been 3 months since 2.0

sarik0497: I know, but at the moment I feel like it’s only Deepseek, Anthrotopic, and OpenAI who are pushing the limits

sarik0497: Well, and Grok is trying

.wolfnacht: it's V3, so higher the temp = more schizo but kino it gets.

sarik0497: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1jjk4h7/introducing_natural_walking_figure_ai/

It’s…something, I guess?

wellmeaningalien: btw nebula from gemini is the state of  the art model on chat.lmsys. might or might not mean something


metaldragon01: I don't think for the average person the sub is better than openai

darkstar0818: I agree, unless you are using the phone app.

darkstar0818: google hasn't done much at all with their web app.

okbut: Maybe I'm biased for versaility because Gemini Advanced offers so much more

darkstar0818: and the average user is asking questions either model can answer without effort.

okbut: That's after being a 1-year CGPT sub

okbut: This 4.1 might change it up

darkstar0818: I called my claude, sub.  Ill keep oai for another month or so then cancel that too.

st.sioux: are u not keeping any sub?

darkstar0818: I was subbed to all 3.

metaldragon01: 4.1 upgrades it to roughly sonnet 3.5 to 3.7 level

darkstar0818: ill keep oai around if there are some things its better at.

metaldragon01: Without the rate limits

metaldragon01: It's a big deal

darkstar0818: I dont expect that to remain the case for too long though.

st.sioux: i used to have all 3 as well but claude is barely usable their usage limits are too low

darkstar0818: I used claude 100% for coding up until recently.

darkstar0818: OAI I used for general research.

.histic: t3.chat is $8 monthly and gives you access to some frontier models on different labs. like 1500/outputs per month for each model.

okbut: Restricting the use case of "the common person" to one that is picking a sub to buy, I figure their use cases will be for school work, but I can change my mind
In that case CGPT is great for Latex (lol) but Gemini is great for all its capabilities with Docs/Sheets/etc

okbut: I'm still upset Gemini cannot embed plots AFAIK

darkstar0818: my position on this will likely change within 30-60 days.  But for right now OAI is fine for most people.  I don't think most people will be using web based chat bots at all in 6 months.

zoermena: I was talking to people with Gemini advanced main advantage being that there are unlimited messages for 2.5 and 20 quieres for deep research daily

zoermena: What why 👀 on the last part

darkstar0818: phones.

metaldragon01: People still use web forums

okbut: Desktop apps > web apps

metaldragon01: Chatbot era going to be around a while

darkstar0818: or ya desktop apps.

zoermena: What do you expect to change then that we don’t have now?

.histic: 2.5 feels unlimited on aistudio
i don't think the subscripton is worth it imo
but i heard t's $9.99 for 2 months, pretty cheap.

metaldragon01: It's definitely not unlimited

darkstar0818: I don't think you and I are a good example of what 'most people' do.

darkstar0818: most people dont sit on a singularity discord or a computer all day

okbut: I have Gemini sub and I STILL use Studio more

darkstar0818: unlimited deep research queries 🙂

.histic: 2.5 pro on gemini.google.com output length is more limited i think

darkstar0818: there is a ui bug

darkstar0818: when it hits about 5000 lines it logs you out

darkstar0818: this isnt intended lol


hikukomoru: Yummy

hikukomoru: Looks tasty

a1c4p0ne: I’ll get it for your birthday

futurist_wizard: 'turn this cat Indian'

futurist_wizard: Slightly racism

campionunbound: https://x.com/FaytuksNetwork/status/1916271574006563239

inhybridmoments._: I doubt it will be good though

inhybridmoments._: Is there any news about when Deepseek R2 will be out?

clevermoniker: no

ldj: no

ldj: They're aiming for it to be better than any currently existing open source model atleast

playstation.6: https://fixvx.com/adcock_brett/status/1916169437893562672

playstation.6: <@1104101103341162496>

st.sioux: ai winter

trent_k: has deep learning hit a wall

trent_k: 🤷♂

technocake.:

himekokatagiri: oh hey

himekokatagiri: it's fractal

himekokatagiri: aka howard

himekokatagiri: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwu5K_eRN3E

playstation.6: its Norse man

technocake.: cat is called norse?

playstation.6: I remember it like that

a1c4p0ne: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/s/y3yjryNKJr

a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/doodlestein/status/1915796841712468030?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg

ldj:

spicy.lemonade: Who voting no😭

.histic: couldn't be me

spicy.lemonade: It’s yes bro

spicy.lemonade: You guys are blinded

spicy.lemonade: By 2.5 and other models like 3.7 thinking

professorheaven: Dude o3 is like an extra 20% max on stem benchmarks over o1, o1 is like an extra 50% on a bunch of stem benchmarks over original 4

professorheaven: Original 4 couldn’t even crack 10% on AIME

professorheaven: o1 got 75%

spicy.lemonade: We can look at other benchmarks as well though

spicy.lemonade: Like Long context understanding

spicy.lemonade: Arc agi

spicy.lemonade: Frontier math

spicy.lemonade: Benchmarks we couldn’t even crack


alejandrozarzuelo: university is going to very soon be automated away since in no time AIs will be able to do the entire curriculum in a day

alejandrozarzuelo: not yet

alejandrozarzuelo: but soon

alejandrozarzuelo: everyone is going to be automated

alejandrozarzuelo: so its no wonder

alejandrozarzuelo: the usefulness of university will be in the challenge you put into it

alejandrozarzuelo: like a gym

alejandrozarzuelo: you go because you want a good challenge

alejandrozarzuelo: not because you want to do anything useful

memlaswaif: People going to university r going to decrease drastically

fractalcomputer: So you cheat on a test.

alejandrozarzuelo: cheating is part of the learning experience, also as I said it doesnt really help you much

spicy.lemonade: Im prepared mentally for the world where I dont get a job

spicy.lemonade: out of uni

alejandrozarzuelo: same

memlaswaif: what r u studying?

spicy.lemonade: cs&pure maths

alejandrozarzuelo: spicy studies CS

spicy.lemonade: double major kinda useless now tho

spicy.lemonade: might just do cs

spicy.lemonade: lol

alejandrozarzuelo: ah yeah he is also a double major like me (although my program is 33% longer than his)

spicy.lemonade: im just in college to be near the cool people

spicy.lemonade: and interesting stuff

spicy.lemonade: atp

memlaswaif: my condolences

alejandrozarzuelo: honestly a very valid reason

alejandrozarzuelo: networking is very useful

memlaswaif: how many cool people did u meet <:cozy:1126601045615853671>

spicy.lemonade: francois chollet

spicy.lemonade: however you say

spicy.lemonade: arc agi dude

spicy.lemonade: lady who invented crispr

spicy.lemonade: and won nobel prize

spicy.lemonade: lmarena people

alejandrozarzuelo: to be completely honest, I think that the time between "university is useless, go there only to do networking and have a challenge" and "we all join the hivemind" will be short

alejandrozarzuelo: a decade tops

spicy.lemonade: loll

spicy.lemonade: like i was watching peoples college decisions this year

alejandrozarzuelo: as in, the time between AGI and god-like ASI


hey1_1hey: Dw ill fill you in

hikukomoru: Data entry still exists?

zoermena: I’ll still watch it I think or at least hear it

hikukomoru: I read this wrongly

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: greg brockman?

spicy.lemonade: yeah this is gonna be big

hey1_1hey: My autism food tastes better than usual

futurist_wizard: Chicken jockey

hey1_1hey: This must be AGIs doing

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-minecraft-movie-a-minecraft-movie-steve-jack-black-gif-4079785775268000209

professorheaven: i'm more excited for o3 pro

spicy.lemonade: bruh

professorheaven: o3 pro should be above o4 mini as well

hey1_1hey: 10 more mins until AGI

zoermena: 10 MINUTES <a:milchickdance:1346221947205324894>

spicy.lemonade: im not excited for synthesis

spicy.lemonade: i dont like the pro models

spicy.lemonade: feels like a bruteforce computational hack than architectural progress

professorheaven: that's a fair critique honestly

abundantliving_: its live - just not started

professorheaven: The ARC test founder considers o3 to be a prototype AGI, he said that on a podcast discussing ARC-2

spicy.lemonade: 4chan taken down before agi had the xchance to witness it<:redemption:1136265386984222771>

hikukomoru: I still can't believe "Chicken Jockey" were the last words said on 4chan before it died lol

hikukomoru:

.0xunkn0wn: LETS GIO

.0xunkn0wn: LETS GO

futurist_wizard: Chicken jockey!

.0xunkn0wn:

abundantliving_: 5 minutes

hikukomoru: Don't get your hopes up

hey1_1hey: Holy moly I thought I missed it

futurist_wizard: 5 minutes until chicken jockey

hikukomoru: AGI announced and you just missed it bruh

hey1_1hey: Are you a brain rot enjoyer these days?

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-minecraft-movie-a-minecraft-movie-steve-jack-black-gif-4079785775268000209

.0xunkn0wn: 5 minutes until skibidi jockey

spicy.lemonade: me?

.0xunkn0wn: idk i had to 😭

spicy.lemonade: agi is talking to me guys


literallyvarane: o4 mini for good measure, but I assume that's stronger.

metaldragon01: Benchmarks needed big time

literallyvarane: DESPERATELY needing benchmarks for this one.

trey6033: It might be stronger at coding than 2.5 pro

metaldragon01: It has to be o4 mini level for me to use it at those numbers

literallyvarane: Honestly for me the Google Flash models are the "what's the most intelligence/$" model.

metaldragon01: Not at 3.50 output

literallyvarane: So it raises the floor of expected performance.

metaldragon01: R2 won't be nearly that much

literallyvarane: .6 output non-thinking tho

metaldragon01: Idgaf about non thinking

literallyvarane: That's .75 1m in>out

metaldragon01: I'm mad they are charging more for thinking

literallyvarane: 4.1 is the comp most likely, not o4m

zonchao: probably not

trey6033: I'm just basing it on what is being said by testers

metaldragon01: Where you seeing feedback?

trey6033: The llm arena discord

trey6033: They're testing it rn

drewsni: i think i can be blamed for these models not being free anymore...

literallyvarane:

zonchao: i use 2.5 and grok 3 rn, i think c3.6 is better than c3.7.....could just be me hallucinating though <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

drewsni: OK

abundantliving_: https://x.com/btibor91/status/1912608982063349897

drewsni: we are fuckin cooking

literallyvarane: Honestly this is much closer to o4m than I expected.

zonchao: anthropic is actually kinda fucked if openai gets the devs

777agical: https://fxtwitter.com/NathieVR/status/1912940059600335242

zonchao: anthropic must be having an existential moment right now, with the windsurf acq <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

literallyvarane:

literallyvarane:

trey6033: I like that they are showing thinking budget explicitly

trey6033: In these graphs

zonchao: guess the 2.5 pro update is on tuesday?

drewsni: honestly id be more worried about google if i was anthropic. Coding is very quickly becoming "solved" and now models are going to have broader niches. Oai will be the "products" company, google looks like they will continue to be the "data" company. Or you can think of it as google has the backend glue models, oai has the front end and customer facing models

ailoveyoom: Why is 2.5 Flash 'expensive' 😭

ailoveyoom: Wat hap

drewsni: i would be very curious how much % of tokens that anthropic enterprise customers use are just purely cursor/lovable/etc

sieventer: Imagine not comparing it with the new models of OpenAI >:|

literallyvarane: It's kinda crazy to me that 2.5flash appears to ~Grok3?


wellmeaningalien: <:actualfaceholdingbacktears:1091350250431713402> <:actualfaceholdingbacktears:1091350250431713402> <:actualfaceholdingbacktears:1091350250431713402> <a:tears_holding_back_face:1066538528248451072>

anathemaofmankind: ~~I want a girlfriend with this deficiency ~~

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/edp445-edp445_pedo-no_fist_bump-fistbump-windsaw-gif-21323747

anathemaofmankind: "I thought she was 18"

.wolfnacht: ~~Also if she's a neet and girlfailure too~~

trent_k: ive been getting so many Alex Rosen recommendations in my yt feed lately

trent_k: ever since i had a kid the algorithm is just fucking me up

anathemaofmankind: Real meets real

hikukomoru: Dude...

hikukomoru: I knew you were that kind of guy when you started calling women hags 💔

wellmeaningalien: damn bro your algorithm is suspicious ahh hell

anathemaofmankind: Don't be ableist

smh

hikukomoru: Not you too

trent_k: as soon as i had a kid yt started pushing tons of videos to me about like teenagers who murder their parents

trent_k: the algorithm knows when u have a kid and it knows how to poke at the fears in any new parent's brain

trent_k: as much as I already hated recommendation algorithms

trent_k: having a kid made it like 100x more creepy

spicy.lemonade: posted on a large art server https://discord.gg/lightboxexpo

wellmeaningalien: dude make sure ur kid NEVER gets online

trent_k: especially because I didn't even post anywhere about having a kid - it inferred all that stuff from my wife's internet activity

futurist_wizard: Imo anime is pedophilic nonsense

trent_k: agree

spicy.lemonade: this will have more eyes

spicy.lemonade: so lets see

anathemaofmankind: This is a weird generalization

trent_k: i have data to support it (and i dont just mean the things *u* post)

futurist_wizard: Okay 50% of anime is pedophilic nonsense

wellmeaningalien: lemme see

anathemaofmankind: That's fair enough

hikukomoru: Certain folks on here make me agree with you

futurist_wizard: Well it takes nobody here i mean just look at anime

spicy.lemonade: https://discord.com/channels/751764809053110292/1215366865761607881

ailoveyoom: <@578146630222741504> You're 1% of this btw 😔

wellmeaningalien: <@471334973379706900> i hearted ur thing lmao

spicy.lemonade: lmaooo

wellmeaningalien: lets see if they hop on

futurist_wizard: How many animes are there where the centre of it is school girls or girls that look very young, like a lot

trent_k: average moderation scores for users who do/don't have anime profile pics. users with anime profile pics score lower in every category except sexual_minors, in which they score higher

anathemaofmankind: 1% of what

anathemaofmankind: That doesn't mean it's sexualized


zoermena: Oh they don’t care, if they did I would’ve been treated with adhd when I was first diagnosed which was 10 years ago.

hikukomoru: What do you think retard

futurist_wizard: Speaks personal to me, i recently got diagnosed with adhd, being without treatment is just fucked up

futurist_wizard: Like everything is a struggle

hey1_1hey: Idk thats why I was asking you pillich

wellmeaningalien: when youve got adhd everyone always assumes you got diagnosed when you were a kid and got all the therapeutic attention meanwhile me i got diagnosed damn near 18 lmao

hey1_1hey: I find it crazy that if you get good ish grades they will just let you raw dog life with ADHD

wellmeaningalien: adhds a pain in the ass

futurist_wizard: Got mediated at 24

hey1_1hey: Same, shit was annoying

wellmeaningalien: my brother managed to get to third year of college like that

wellmeaningalien: bro im still fucking waiting for my psychiatrist to renew my treatment but retarded ass public health makes appointments so far apart

wellmeaningalien: im seeing another psychiatrist but shes incompetent

_3sphere: I might maybe have ADHD but I think it's tiredness and brainrot tbh

wellmeaningalien: the other psychiatrist is better but fucking slow

hey1_1hey: I barley scrape by with passes for most of my work. In high school I straight up failed baseically everything apart from a few things like the fake classes like business

futurist_wizard: Getting ahold is adhd meds is tough

futurist_wizard: I take elvance

wellmeaningalien: i used to think my adhd was brainrot and shit but my mom is just like me i think its genetic

hey1_1hey: ADHD and short form content is a lethal combo

wellmeaningalien: and i also got my dads autism lol

wellmeaningalien: i quit youtube entirely and honestly i feel so understimulated i could die

futurist_wizard: Shouldn't even be looking at short form content period

futurist_wizard: Its poison

_3sphere: Does Discord count

wellmeaningalien: discord is slightly better

wellmeaningalien: YUP lol

futurist_wizard: I have a youtube blocker that blocks shorts

wellmeaningalien: i had to take a special university entrance exam thing

hey1_1hey: I think my entire family is autistic I am not even kidding, both my parents, both my grand parents and all of my siblings. Its actually impressive

zoermena: I was diagnosed when I was a kid but my parents are stupid and never treated me, I found out 2 years ago because my mom showed me a fucking meme about it and only then I realized why I’ve always sucked. Then when I tried to inquire more about me my mom mocked me for pretending to be one of those people who thinks they have something. I had to save up for a year to get medicated, then they believed.

wellmeaningalien: i have a youtube blocker that blocks youtube

hikukomoru: AuDHD 💪

hey1_1hey: I wouldn't count it. I would say more like youtube shorts, tiktok, instagram reels

zoermena: Concerta and yes

wellmeaningalien: yeah bro autism is 100% genetic my brother and i are mild aspergers and then my other bro is like turbo autism to the max

wellmeaningalien: my mom is not autistic at all she's like normalpilled but she's got adhd and shi

hey1_1hey: There was a study done and it came out that if you have ADHD you SHOULD NEVER use short form content

wellmeaningalien: i definitely got my adhd from her side

_3sphere: Yeah I avoid TikTok-type apps because I'm afraid I wouldn't come back <:LOL:1187460826572005436>