spicy.lemonade: eeveryone can feel agi

spicy.lemonade: we can almost taste it👀

spicy.lemonade: given up on dreams of being researcher at openAi or deepmind

spicy.lemonade: wont graduate in time

spicy.lemonade: by the time i graduate we have agi. by the time i get phd we have asi

okbut: IMO it's only about nudging a few percents on benchmarks every month to reclaim SOTAs now
I fear that OAI will milk this

spicy.lemonade: nope

okbut: Might even make GPT-5 dumber for a bit <:tinfoilcat:901321035352277052>

spicy.lemonade: thats not what deepmind is doing

spicy.lemonade: if openAI does that theyl lose

spicy.lemonade: either deepmind or xai will accelerate

spicy.lemonade: maybe thats the case if it was just oAI

spicy.lemonade: but demis cares about curing everything

okbut: There's a model x.x epidemic at Gemini too <:madge:831946367462670338>

spicy.lemonade: and new architectures

spicy.lemonade: there isnt

spicy.lemonade: ?

spicy.lemonade: gemini has been real good with drops

spicy.lemonade: 1.0

spicy.lemonade: 1.5

spicy.lemonade: 2.0

spicy.lemonade: 2.5

okbut: They then suffix it with experimental and preview

okbut: Just give me the model dawg

spicy.lemonade: you have the model

spicy.lemonade: if they removed the word experimental

spicy.lemonade: what would change

spicy.lemonade: ?

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: nothing

spicy.lemonade: they have their reasons

okbut: Really? I thought that meant they're still tweaking it based on feedback

okbut: Otherwise they would just omit it

spicy.lemonade: everylab is still tweaking based on feedback

spicy.lemonade: you can use the model right now

spicy.lemonade: all that matters

spicy.lemonade: 4o is constantly changing

spicy.lemonade: the "experimental" tag doesnt realy matter

okbut: Copacetic with "Just omit it"

spicy.lemonade: they released a working prototype of something larger


.histic: they would ban you

metaldragon01: It's called outside

spicy.lemonade: no a dedicated debate server

spicy.lemonade: not art server

.histic: i feel like discord servers like that are scarce.
many subreddits exist though.

spicy.lemonade: reddit is shit for debate

spicy.lemonade: not real time

zoermena: Any subreddit discord that isn’t singularity related will do

himekokatagiri: anime discords? damn

.histic: ig lol

himekokatagiri: at least my discord has an ai art section

himekokatagiri: where only I post

.histic: are furries pro AI?
man, i see so much furry AI imgs

zoermena: Some are

himekokatagiri: the broke ones are

.histic: you've a discord server? <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

spicy.lemonade: hm

spicy.lemonade: leftist discord maybe

himekokatagiri: what happened to that Heinrich guy

himekokatagiri: wasn't he big into furries

zoermena: You can literally join any discord and most will hate AI. I’m in a severance server (the tv show) and there’s an specific rule about no AI posting, that’s how bad it is

.histic: aussies love furries

zoermena: The comment dude

himekokatagiri: comment dude?

.histic: that dude that liked spreading the love

himekokatagiri: what does that mean

himekokatagiri: <:suseye:1187461162024046703>

.histic: what do you think it means?

himekokatagiri: I have a vague idea but I'd rather keep it to myself

.histic: seems like Google is going to release AGI next week

himekokatagiri: pfft

himekokatagiri: they said that last week

himekokatagiri: I lost sleep over it

st.sioux: agi every week

ldj: ngl I feel bad for the people in 2024
remember how miserable they were with their "AI winter" and thinking it was so over, all because a decent model wouldn't come out for like more than 9 months <:berk:750111476483752166>
2024 was a small great depression frfr
also the research wasn't as exciting in most of 2024 as some people had hoped for in 2023
especially that beginning part of 2024 prior to september, prior to any O1 preview or anything

spicy.lemonade: 2024 was cool

spicy.lemonade: asnt that bad

spicy.lemonade: we got 4o

spicy.lemonade: got hyped for native image gen

spicy.lemonade: the whole HER


alejandrozarzuelo: if i could know who made what, then i would see a difference, as long as I cant then i am not able to

gamerbath: this is assuming you know who it's from beforehand. The content is the same but the creator does matter, as long as you know it

aero447: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLeJx7cbUBE

alejandrozarzuelo: ok, but we are talking about how 99% of art is commercial art

alejandrozarzuelo: where you dont know who made it

alejandrozarzuelo: and you dont care

gamerbath: we are?

.wolfnacht: I'm more interested in knowing who they are gonna use it on ?

alejandrozarzuelo: yeah? because we want mass unemployment of artists

alejandrozarzuelo: thats the whole point

aero447: Miyazaki was talking about an AI  walking simulator that was designed to be creepy and use long spindly black legs his employees were like "we can use this to animate creepy monster characters" and hayao miyazaki was like "this is a mockery of life itself".

It had nothing to do with chatgpt or generative AI in general.

alejandrozarzuelo: we want artists to lose their jobs

anathemaofmankind: Terorrists

alejandrozarzuelo: so the 1% of art where the performer/artist matters is the small minority

.wolfnacht: Falsely accused* or Real ones ?

gamerbath: for commercial art, you really just need art/graphics for something and here I see your argument, the creator doesn't really matter, you don't care.

alejandrozarzuelo: thats 99% of artists' jobs

alejandrozarzuelo: thats the goal

anathemaofmankind: Take a guess based on the current administration

theaiguy69420_89814: Art is kind of human slop tbh

theaiguy69420_89814: Don't even care if AI handles that for us

.wolfnacht: https://www.rxddit.com/r/Trump666/comments/1jlr9kz/trump_looks_about_ready_to_strike_iran_with_b2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

futurist_wizard: Human made slop will end

anathemaofmankind: Absolute cinema

anathemaofmankind: Imagine Trump gets access to AGI

alejandrozarzuelo: please go to <#1136231504440201216>

alejandrozarzuelo: thats for politics

alejandrozarzuelo: and stff

.wolfnacht: We are watching the biblical prophecies come to life...What a time to be alive

.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/plink-nerd-plank-plink-cat-cat-gif-11096663429307162255

ailoveyoom: <@1352573784422350930> Nvm I was wrong

.wolfnacht: also, i posted there something....people might disgusted or some people might get horny like <@430269783112548362>

alejandrozarzuelo: we talked about this among the active members and <#1136230110891081821> is becoming too casual

its cool to talk off topic but lets keep each chat clean

alejandrozarzuelo: please

.wolfnacht: *sighs* FINEEE

aero447: https://tenor.com/view/how-it-feels-when-you-meme-nanami-jjk-gif-10683277372535996893

aero447: POV MichMach.

ailoveyoom: Age: 16

ailoveyoom: 😔

ailoveyoom: How it feels to spread legs


futurist_wizard: I wonder too, i don't care about any meaning to life, I've never even thought about it

st.sioux: the inner machinations of my mind are an enigma

hikukomoru: Enigma reference???

.wolfnacht:

hey1_1hey: My waifu, Enigma ❤ 😍

futurist_wizard:

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-discord-dancing-guy-cringe-gif-3173535023585082338

hey1_1hey: I thought about it then I was like "Yeah that sure is weird" then went to go look at mushrooms

.wolfnacht: fr

futurist_wizard:

hikukomoru: Isn't this <@834891518836736010>

ailoveyoom: LMArena isn't loading for me rn <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

.wolfnacht: i feel like i'm under ban radar of Fractal now 😔

.wolfnacht: now it looks 100% like me

hikukomoru: I don't think about anything really

fractalcomputer: You wouldn't feel nice knowing that getting up in the morning has some sort deeper reason or final cause?

fractalcomputer: I do not take shoggothic rants seriously.

hey1_1hey: Yeah I can tell

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/no-thoughts-head-empty-shikanoko-anime-shikanokonokokoshitantan-gif-8835087894692301893

fractalcomputer: Why should one not immediately kill oneself if there is no meaning to any of this?

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/go-further-away-oniisama-e-dear-brother-sairin-school-asaka-rei-gif-21195448

hikukomoru: Aren't you still stuck doing 8th grade math

.wolfnacht: thenks fractal 🥰 😘

hey1_1hey: Does it matter if there is no meaning to this? You can do whatever you want innit

hey1_1hey: 9th now actually ☝

hikukomoru: Oh you so you turned 15?

.wolfnacht: who's grooming you ?

hey1_1hey: Of course

hey1_1hey: Doing well

hikukomoru:

hey1_1hey: ChatGPT and Komoru
I swear they are tag teaming

futurist_wizard: Literally no, i don't understand why that is a driving force for so many people, i accept the reality of my situation that i was born into a chaotic universe occupying the body of an ape, i think trying to please myself is a cool goal to strive for

hey1_1hey: "Discord user and AI tag team young impressionable femboy"

futurist_wizard:

hikukomoru: Sounds like hedonism

hey1_1hey: hedonism cool 👍

hikukomoru: It really is

hey1_1hey: Its the based one

hey1_1hey: Doing heroin while listening to radio head

3ds0662: gpt-4o inage gen takes soo long now lol 😂


thedon7075: o3 thinks for 14 minutes and gets it painfully wrong

.histic: 14 minutes? wtf

metaldragon01: Nice

metaldragon01: Openai catching up in image recognition fast

metaldragon01: It's one of the biggest bottlenecks left

metaldragon01: Google still leads there and likely will continue to tbh

.histic: i thought they claimed they had an internal model that's #1 best competitive coder in the world? o3 nor o4-mini isn't.
is that full o4? if that's true, then that must be a huge jump.

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: o4 mini is based on gpt4o

ldj: nah I think it's prob based on GPT-4o-mini

ldj: or 4.1-mini

spicy.lemonade: why mini

ldj: because the cost and speed and characteristics, and because it also literally has the word mini in its name too <:berk:750111476483752166>

ldj: ofc it could be called mini while still being bigger than GPT-4o-mini or something, but the signs seem to point towards this being a smaller model than 4o, and smaller than o1 and o3

metaldragon01: Extrapolate....it'd clearly o4

metaldragon01: https://vxtwitter.com/chatgpt21/status/1912619211173843283

777agical: how long before MCP+A2A start to dominate the industry

.histic: is that why they didn't show o4's benchmarks because it may still be in training?
you'd think o4-mini would be distilled from o4, but if it has a separate base model then that'd make sense.

thedon7075: 20000 for a model that is similar intelligence to the free gemini 2.5 pro....

zoermena: https://tenor.com/view/i-am-once-again-asking-once-again-asking-once-again-asking-gif-7917205226486132164

zoermena: Did you like the models <@471334973379706900>

literallyvarane: I  still think it's worth being *mildly* skeptical that bigger base model = better CoT model if we haven't actually seen that demonstrated yet.

.wolfnacht: 14 minutes and still wrong.

drewsni: what are you talking about

drewsni: 20000 what? yen?

thedon7075: us

literallyvarane: It doesn't seem like anyone has actually made multiple different CoT models based upon multiple generations of CoT models right?

.histic: forgot about that.
wonder what that was about.

.histic: if it only took 1 more minute it would have solved it.

literallyvarane: V3 > R1
4o > o Series
Gemini 2.0 > 2.5 CoT models
Anthropic 3.5 > 3.7
Grok 3 > Grok 3 CoT

We haven't actually seen new base models for CoT models. There's a non-zero chance that improving the base model doesn't *actually do a ton* for CoT.

drewsni: Are you claiming there’s a model that costs that much?

thedon7075: i didnt claim it

.histic: o1 is based on 4o
o3-mini is based on 4o-mini
o3 is based on 4o
o4-mini is based on 4o-mini
pretty sure.

thedon7075:

literallyvarane: Fair, but I don't think that actually changes the underlying concept.

drewsni: What are you comparing with Gemini pro 2.5?

drewsni: Because that’s just a random article that has no basis in reality

spicy.lemonade: yes

thedon7075: the information is reputable

thedon7075: openai new models


hikukomoru: Uh uh

wellmeaningalien: hold on let me find a gpt 4o art to post

wellmeaningalien: bro do u track the users on this server 💀

ailoveyoom: I wonder how many kids have anime pfps

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/bladerunner-dna-reading-watching-officer-k-gif-12637517610524977080

anathemaofmankind: Most of them are kids

trent_k: no, only servers my bot is in

wellmeaningalien: 💀💀

hikukomoru: You 😘

anathemaofmankind: The more I grow old the more I don't like watching anime

wellmeaningalien: how many servers is ur bot in

trent_k: 313k ppl rn. i am watching you i am in your walls i am watching you i am in your walls i am watching you i am in your walls i am watching you i am in your walls i am watching you i am in your walls i am watching you i am in your walls i am watching you i am in your walls i am watching you i am in your walls i am watching you i am in your walls i am watching you i am in your walls

ailoveyoom: <@1068159407671754824> Do u know the age of your users?

anathemaofmankind: The last anime I watched was a cooking series

trent_k: a bit over 5k last i checked

hikukomoru: Ashamed of having this pfp 💔

wellmeaningalien: starts fapping

futurist_wizard: Sexual connotations are heavily implied

spicy.lemonade: native imagie gen is top 10 things top happen in ai space tbh

wellmeaningalien: 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

ailoveyoom: Does this mean I can call you mommy 😍

wellmeaningalien: ITS OVER IM GONNA CANCEL U TRENT

anathemaofmankind: How would you know if you don't watch them

wellmeaningalien: OH MY GOD SO ur bot is in 5000 servers and ur just spying on people lik that

hikukomoru: Go ahead 🫦 🫦
Just don't call me a hag

trent_k: i made a big post about the data on kiwi farms. there's actually some extremely alarming stuff in there and theres nothing i can do about it because discord wont ban them

wellmeaningalien: and how do u know they have an anime pfp

wellmeaningalien: POST

trent_k: read the privacy policy pal 😏

wellmeaningalien: LMAOOO

hikukomoru: I watch lots of anime and he's right

trent_k: i use claude 3 haiku to classify them

futurist_wizard: Because its self evident you only need to see few clips to get that impression

wellmeaningalien: i mean the users are completely unknowing here

ailoveyoom: Why not use Flash?

wellmeaningalien: have u thought of updating the model to gemini 2.0 flash or sum

ailoveyoom: Prolly cheaper

hikukomoru: Most animes have highschool age mcs and all the girls are sexualized

trent_k: wrote the code ages ago and dont feel like updating it lol

wellmeaningalien: thats so sad


st.sioux: the important ones are billionaires they have security details

st.sioux: musk goes around in an armored caddy

destrucules: My existence requires that no tech CEOs are assassinated, so every time one of them gets assassinated, I necessarily wind up in the branch where that didn't happen?

oooooooooog: exactly

oooooooooog: singularity must occur

clevermoniker: >decades

destrucules: Ahh, it's a canon event

oooooooooog: it's because i hooked myself up to uranium that explodes when a tech CEO dies

oooooooooog: trillions of my clones are probably dead, sacrificed for the greater good

zoermena: I’m making Images of myself with 4o and I look fantastic.

zoermena: I’ll share the. When the singularity literally hits.

destrucules: Me when fifty different Spider-Men show up in San Francisco and murder a bunch of tech CEOs and then dip out some portal

anathemaofmankind: Like your real pictures?

zonchao: https://x.com/tunguz/status/1904962385409958325?

clevermoniker: normies are dumb as bricks, the moment they would actually try to mobilize to do something we probably have ASI already

zoermena: Yes

oooooooooog: it's moreso that culture is controlled by government psyops, not that normies are dumb. who could restist being controlled by the memes?

oooooooooog: we certainly can't. the meme of the singularity has taken us fully, irevocably. you have no ability to deny it's dominance over your actions in the world

clevermoniker: 'eliminating' tech CEOs at this point won't do anything anyways, the ball is rolling

clevermoniker: they had to do something before GPT 3

clevermoniker: or at least before chat gpt

clevermoniker: now its too late

st.sioux: it was always going to happen, it was a natural step in technological development

oooooooooog: it wasn't always going to happen to humans, though.

oooooooooog: and still isnt

oooooooooog: meteor kabooooom

oooooooooog: etc

oooooooooog: nuclear war...

oooooooooog: you know.

anathemaofmankind: Do you think other civilizations also develop this as an inevitability

zoermena: I can rest in peace now that I have unlimited 4o gen

anathemaofmankind: If so why aren't there autonomous drones everywhere in space

oooooooooog: unlimited!?!??!

zoermena: For plus we have unlimited images and videos

destrucules: Who says there aren't?

anathemaofmankind: Because we don't see any of them

oooooooooog: not yet 👽

anathemaofmankind: No celestial megastructures

st.sioux: something functionally similar, there would be a convergence point

destrucules: We don't look for them. You can't see with your eyes closed


joaoluz19: If the future involves furry I will become completely Yudkowsky

joaoluz19: Stop AI. Now.

hikukomoru: Too bad for you since catgirls are the future

joaoluz19: It's time to explode some Teslas

spicy.lemonade: generating some fire fake furry art

anathemaofmankind: That looks noticeably AI

hey1_1hey: Don't lie, that's for personal use isn't it <:suseye:1187461162024046703>

spicy.lemonade:

st.sioux: its too good it needs to look like shit to be believable

spicy.lemonade: really?

hey1_1hey: This looks printed on ngl

fractalcomputer: It is not really my concern.

hikukomoru: Did you post your black kid in a frog suit pic 🙏

hey1_1hey: Too perfect

spicy.lemonade: yes

spicy.lemonade: they loved it

hey1_1hey: What

hey1_1hey: I need to see this

hikukomoru: And now you're supposed to be an 18 year old polish bear

spicy.lemonade:

joaoluz19: Literally Fractal

st.sioux: advocating for fascism

joaoluz19: Go Fractal stop the furries

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: lookin good?

trent_k: Oh SICK!

spicy.lemonade: lol

hey1_1hey: A furry club... Now that's criminal

hikukomoru: >2022
He was 16 and looking like that 💀

hey1_1hey: Talk about insane asylum cabinets

trent_k: He's polish, they're hairy <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

hey1_1hey: Much better

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: is this believable

trent_k: No it's in crayon lol

spicy.lemonade: they believed my other one

spicy.lemonade: the frog one

hey1_1hey: Is that photo generated aswell?

spicy.lemonade: why not this

spicy.lemonade: it holds


ldj: > The reason why I ask is, should we be looking at the 3sigma line as the line of human competence? 4sigma? 5?

We don't know at which point it will match human competence, thats for the viewer to decide what they think is likely there, so thats why I show data for various reliability levels upto 5 sigma.

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: HOLY

spicy.lemonade:

campionunbound: Its missing the deranged pothead logo

ldj: The code is here if you want to add or modify the visualization

ldj: https://v0.dev/chat/fork-of-t-agi-extrapolation-tw7CqMsSy1Z

alejandrozarzuelo: Thx, maybe I'll attempt it next time I procrastinate

alejandrozarzuelo: Send this to me in DM so I don't lose it

ldj: In the tests they conducted, there may have been 100% success rate is what I mean.
as-in, they have a set of 5 or 10 professionals per domain, and they have them do tasks in their domain, if all the professionals passed the tasks used, then its technically 100%, but ofcourse in large enough sample sizes its maybe 99% or even 95% or less.

But we don't know the actual true figure.
I believe there is some minimum human pass rate for the tasks to be included here, I don't know if that was 10 out of 10 humans, or 7 out of 10 humans or 5 out of 10 humans

theaiguy69420_89814: <@312370916820779040> this is such a low-ball estimate

theaiguy69420_89814: Pretty disappointed

himekokatagiri: <@1303189881568100362> hello AI guy

himekokatagiri: how's it AI-ing

theaiguy69420_89814: Pretty good

ldj: I think maybe the most prescient accuracy level in this projection is the 95% one here.
Here is how that looks like if we're headed on a 4 month doubling trajectory now:

July 2023: 5 second AGI achieved.
Sep 2025: 2 minute AGI achieved.
Jan 2027: 30 minute AGI achieved.
May 2028: 8 Hour AGI achieved.
October 2029: 1 week AGI achieved.
May 2032: 4 year AGI achieved.
December 2033: 100 year AGI achieved.

Here is how it looks like with 95% accuracy row with 7 month doubling rate:

July 2023: 5 second AGI achieved.
Mar 2026: 2 minute AGI achieved.
Jun 2028: 30 minute AGI achieved.
Oct 2030: 8 Hour AGI achieved.
May 2033: 1 week AGI achieved.
Nov 2037: 4 year AGI achieved.
Aug 2040: 100 year AGI achieved.

And here is how it would look like if it's 95% accuracy row with 7 month doubling rate, plus a 5% acceleration in doubling rate per doubling.

July 2023: 5 second AGI achieved.
Mar 2026: 2 minute AGI achieved.
Feb 2028: 30 minute AGI achieved.
Sep 2029: 8 Hour AGI achieved.
Feb 2031: 1 week AGI achieved.
Dec 2032: 4 year AGI achieved.
Sep 2033: 100 year AGI achieved.

himekokatagiri: so uh for music do we only still have suno and udio

himekokatagiri: music industry are borderline gangsters no wonder we don't have shit

trent_k: its real baby its my kitchen

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: Hype hype hype

spicy.lemonade: We are at Q* moment again

spicy.lemonade: This won’t be in Gemini 3/gpt5 tho

wolf3404: Ok this feels like we are back

3ds0662: O:

metaldragon01: no hype until we see a model thats actually been trained like this and then in a continuous manner with good results

spicy.lemonade: It’s Google bro

spicy.lemonade: It’s coming

metaldragon01: And?

himekokatagiri: I don't read papers HOWEVER

himekokatagiri: when a paper is involved

himekokatagiri: big deal

himekokatagiri: trust me

brain4brain: Lmao <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

3ds0662: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLBsUarvWTw

3ds0662: newest dwarkesh podcast

3ds0662: ege was bullying tamay a little bit lol

3ds0662: not an easy watch, this pod felt off

brain4brain: Holy based

spicy.lemonade: this is the true timeline


wellmeaningalien: this is what biden was doing but he had better opsec

fractalcomputer: I wonder what God's up to.

wellmeaningalien: probably playing spongebob battle for bikini bottom on the ps2

anathemaofmankind: Watching cancer patients die while he doesn't do anything to help them

darkstar0818: Trolling like usual.

fractalcomputer: Why demand God to be moral?

anathemaofmankind: Because the bible said he's benevolent

hikukomoru: Get used to it pops

futurist_wizard: Jesus

fractalcomputer: Well, did I say anything about the Bible?

darkstar0818: Doesn't seem I have much choice.

anathemaofmankind: I'm an atheist so the only "God" type of character I'm referencing is from the major religions

fractalcomputer: All is right with the world.

alejandrozarzuelo: because we are all axialized

anathemaofmankind: Which by extension would include the gospel as the  source material

alejandrozarzuelo: our concept of religion is completely determined by the axial age revolution and the universal moral god mentality

fractalcomputer: That seems a bit shallow to me.

anathemaofmankind: Why so?

spacetimetsunami: Yes absolutely.

fractalcomputer: Why, I'd refer to any creator figure as a God; the existence of which ought to be some kind of empirical question.

artemisfowl887394: Gott ist tott

spacetimetsunami: <@749514473303179358> by the way, out of curiosity, do you believe in god or anything similar to the definition? What are your metaphysical opinions

alejandrozarzuelo: there are very few people who are religious, but whose god doesnt follow the characteristics of axialized religion

universal benevolent gods who stablish moral codes for humanity and that have in-built reward systems

darkstar0818: Hmm creator, would supreme troll also qualify?

clevermoniker: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185322173708128406/1354694148107534476/GnBkO9CakAAyVyK.png?ex=67e638bd&is=67e4e73d&hm=ca96647abc60a7d358a21c3347fd9ced094f6c633ea16687344fc4ef76f71654&

anathemaofmankind: A hypothetical creator would transcend all moral stipulations since he is the one who assigns meaning

fractalcomputer: I believe in things I find fun to believe in; which might very well vary from moment to moment. I have some reasons to believe in the existence of a deistic figure; and on the other hand things would be much more interesting if it were not so, no?

spicy.lemonade: Take the bait

spicy.lemonade: <:ez:1136267305521774634>

artemisfowl887394: That doesn't make our morals don't exist. That just means God is not aligned to us.

spicy.lemonade: This looks real asf

fractalcomputer: As for metaphysical beliefs, I flicker between Platonism, ontological nihilism and Kantianism depending on my mood.

777agical: This sounds almost agnostic which I thought you frowned upon <:suseye:1187461162024046703>

anathemaofmankind: I want God to be female so I can jack off to her

alejandrozarzuelo: it really does

fractalcomputer: Agnosticism is an epistemological position. I very much believe that we can have knowledge of God's existence - contra Kant.

anathemaofmankind: Mommy please answer my prayer

darkstar0818: It seems to me your constraints on what would or would not constitute a god or God is colored by human religions.

artemisfowl887394: I only worship one Goddess and you can't jerk off to Artemis

anathemaofmankind: Yeah well religions are the primary proponents of claims of divinity


.wolfnacht: u can ask komoru..

zonchao: gay

hikukomoru: I don't know anything abou that

oooooooooog: u would be right if only u said hive mind clonecest

wellmeaningalien: yeah sure bro stable diffusion could do this

hey1_1hey: Hey look its Zonny Mommy

_3sphere: That's just masturbation

hikukomoru: You suck Elon's little rocket all day every day stfu bitch

.wolfnacht: dat sounds fun...

zonchao: <:yummy:1062048541465378927>

st.sioux: do what? anime girls?

hey1_1hey: Masturbation isn't a fetish so are we in the clear?

wellmeaningalien: this?

ailoveyoom: I think it could be if you're a narc and like looking at yourself

_3sphere: Hivemind is one whole, so its parts fucking is like a single mind fantasizing

ailoveyoom: Autosexual

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: LOLL

_3sphere: Do you have to be a narc for that

st.sioux: oh yeah, i thought they were talking about the anime girl you or whoever sent

spicy.lemonade: the op posted this

spicy.lemonade: After coping

oooooooooog: stable diffusion doesn't have multimodal input, so i assume this is a joke lol

zonchao: lmaooo

hikukomoru: Like being horny for cars?

.wolfnacht: there was a thing called "DragonsFuckingDisneyCars"

hey1_1hey: You guys rip each other to shreads or kiss or whatever. I am gonna go watch my favourite tv show and eat autism food

ailoveyoom: No

wellmeaningalien: fuck you dude you know what i mean it cant do text like that

ailoveyoom: It's when you're sexually attracted to yourself iirc

wellmeaningalien: you seen the examples you know

wellmeaningalien: ok i got heated chat 😅

oooooooooog: wdym, i know that, im agreeing with you baka

.wolfnacht: MichMach are you a NEET ? dw i don't judge ?

hikukomoru: Tsundere Hysminea 😳

ailoveyoom: Are you in heat?

ailoveyoom: Omega 😍

wellmeaningalien: yes im going thru menopause

st.sioux: its just a random screenshot bro we dont even have context

st.sioux: we were just asking for more lol


3ds0662: they really just have to release man my god else samas turning into strawberry 🍓 man 2.0

precariousworlds.: major vibe shift in 4.5

3ds0662: after talking/playing around with 4.5 it is smarter it definitely would beat o1 pro a bunch from time to time its scary what reasoning model theyd make from that

3ds0662: if o1 is 3.5/4

3ds0662: my goodness

precariousworlds.: yet it was a laughing stock at release

precariousworlds.: the openai cycle repeats again

3ds0662: come on you know why though it had soo much frickin hype

3ds0662: sama made me believe it would be a pseudo god or something lol

3ds0662: just from the long long holdout from release and training it

3ds0662: if he had released it earlier it wouldnt have had that reaction tbh

precariousworlds.: true

.histic: i'm more convinced Quasar Alpha is 4.5-mini or was trained on 4.5's outputs. 🤔

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: This means sora 2 soon

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: Native sora2

spicy.lemonade:

retrerox: Morning

destrucules: Gemini 2.5 Pro already scores 84

destrucules: Also o1 mini and o3 mini are built on 4o mini, not 4o. o1 and o3 are built on 4o

destrucules: o3 presumably gets a similar 80+ GPQA Diamond score

.histic: are you saying that because of this? i mean, the authors did say it was speculation. <:idk:1136264106937171999>

.histic: but yeah, if these numbers are true, then o1 to o3 would have used 4o-mini as base i guess.

_cloudost: THANK U SO MUCH FOR SHARING THIS, MADE MY DAY TODAY

spicy.lemonade: I feel like we need one more juicy paradigm

spicy.lemonade: Like pretraining isn’t dead

spicy.lemonade: Since it improves reasoning

spicy.lemonade: Reasoning just started

spicy.lemonade: We need one more I feel as last leap

spicy.lemonade: Maybe test time training

hey1_1hey: Asking the wrong guy. I can tell you about how mushroom milk can be made but not chocolate milk

retrerox: M orning

destrucules: No, o1, o3, and 4o are all one pretraining run. o1-mini, o3-mini, and 4o mini are all one pretraining run. You can tell not only from the names but also from the latency/speed

.histic: oh, i see now

.histic: what do you think Quasar Alpha is? 🤔

spicy.lemonade: gonna ask 2.5 pro deepresearch when agi

_cloudost: Will it be announced at 10 AM PT?

spicy.lemonade: maybe

spicy.lemonade: gonna be a big day today


alejandrozarzuelo: I mean you look at their cities and be like damn

futurist_wizard: Is gayness legal in China

alejandrozarzuelo: No wonder

alejandrozarzuelo: Dude, in several Chinese provinces same sex unions are legal

alejandrozarzuelo: Not marriage

alejandrozarzuelo: Only in the Province of Taiwan

okbut: How is that rated? Dudes hold hands here

hikukomoru: Stop calling it a province

okbut: Never seen it in CQ

alejandrozarzuelo: I remember seeing it in a Chinese poll in my mandarin class

futurist_wizard: I remember when i was with my first gf i told her i mainly watch gay porn and then she got very upset

alejandrozarzuelo: It is a province tho

okbut: Oh, yeah they probably want to dunk on their island province

futurist_wizard:

okbut: Any time Taiwan does something good it's China

alejandrozarzuelo: It's an independent school before you think of anything

hikukomoru: Wtf

alejandrozarzuelo: The teachers were just normal Chinese guys

alejandrozarzuelo: And a Spanish local

_cloudost: Don't you believe in people's self-determination, most Taiwanese would prefer not to be called a "province"

alejandrozarzuelo: Nah Taiwan is China for the good and the bad and everything in between

futurist_wizard: Not a joke

alejandrozarzuelo: I don't?

hikukomoru: Alejandro is an imperialist
Just a while ago he was talking about annexing Puerto Rico into the new Spanish Empire

okbut: Taiwan is one of those weird provinces in full visa control of all other Chinese provinces entering theirs

alejandrozarzuelo: In any case, Taiwanese politics has created a weird but unique mix in the island

rayanquitplayin: I thought China was entirely against LGBT

alejandrozarzuelo: I would like both Chinese goverments to approach slowly and have some sort of comprehensive union, without needing to compromise

alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah no, mainland China is actually better than Japan and Korea

Well, Japan has improved recently a lot too

futurist_wizard: China is a province of Taiwan

alejandrozarzuelo: An EU like arrangement would probably be the best for everyon

alejandrozarzuelo: I am ok with this too

hikukomoru: You would think all of the yuri and yaoi manga would mean Japan is super LGBT
But no

alejandrozarzuelo: Tokyo is a different country to the rest of Japan

It happens a lot if you think about it

okbut: History has taught us that the best direction toward alliance is a peaceful handover of independence

futurist_wizard: https://x.com/stephenm/status/1910052531742421475?s=46&t=v-eDL0MBOVTElyTWdzNzZQ

futurist_wizard: Art of the deal

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/patrick-stupid-patrick-patrick-star-gif-14657656412172056045

futurist_wizard: Yaoi > yuri

alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah, exactly, unions work like that

You slowly agree to cooperate more and more, and sovereignty gets shared and taken away

That is how the EU basically works as a single country now

ASEAN hopefully will follow the same steps or peacefully handing independence to a shared committee


zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

sweetievee__33649: the og bryan johnson

zoermena: I thought this too

futurist_wizard: That will do a grand total of nothing, unfortunately a lot of our longevity is determined by our genes, how long our grandparents lived

hikukomoru: He thinks the pills are helping but it's just making him worse
AGI pls save Ray

sweetievee__33649: he made bartards look like they are taking ibuprofen

futurist_wizard: My grandmother nearly 100

futurist_wizard: Bryan Johnson is actually motivated a large part by vanity, he takes finasteride to retain his hair, being bald doesn't effect your longevity at all

futurist_wizard: Maybe bryan will castrate himself as that does add some years to your life

zonchao: psychology probably affects your health in some way

hikukomoru: Doesn't finasteride feminize men partially

hikukomoru: Is that why Bryan looks like a butch lesbian

drewsni: i changed my stance on bryan johnson recently

futurist_wizard: Kinda not really, it decreases dht, which is causing hair to fall out but it is the masculine hormone

futurist_wizard: Past 18 dht doesn't do as much

zonchao: you forget Bryan was a fat loser before he started all of this.... he probably doesn't want to go near that again <:LOL:1187460826572005436> having hair probably helps his mental health

sweetievee__33649: probably that project baby face thing he did a while back

hikukomoru: I can't forget the fact that he compares his erections with his son's

futurist_wizard: Some men get like ed and depression from finasteride because their body utilises more dht than testosterone than the average man

sweetievee__33649: was about to talk about that he looks unrecognisable now

sweetievee__33649: from what he used to look like anyway

drewsni: It came out that he micro doses cialis lol

futurist_wizard: Finasteride is scary, i just wouldn't risk it, i luckily have decent hair genes

sweetievee__33649: defintly not bryan johnson though he has 100 boner score or smth

sweetievee__33649: i cant remember

hikukomoru: Wait a few years

zonchao: has it been independently vetted?

zonchao: I'll volunteer

futurist_wizard: For what

drewsni: Ez when you take boner pills

hikukomoru: Baldness

hikukomoru: I should suggest this to Alejandro

hikukomoru: He raelly needs it

sweetievee__33649: not sure although i know its been peer reviewed by his son 🥀

futurist_wizard: Im already near 25, the hair usually matures between 20 to max 30, I cant imagine if it goes back, it won't go back by that much

sweetievee__33649: he took the boner score test aswell and it came back around even

futurist_wizard: My granddad died with a full head of hair

drewsni: Are you a thick haired chad like me?

hikukomoru: Isn't Mushroom guy already going bald at 18

ldj: https://discord.com/channels/1136230110261952532/1136230110891081821/1356003548751728760


wellmeaningalien: bonne nuit à toi cher homo

hikukomoru: Homo 🏳🌈

futurist_wizard: We'll all knew

hey1_1hey: Erectus

hey1_1hey: How <:suseye:1187461162024046703>

hikukomoru: Me too

futurist_wizard: The autism is way higher

hey1_1hey: Dont answer that question

hikukomoru: Autism 90% of server

hey1_1hey: ARFID twinning

zoermena: If we include food I inherited a shit digestive system, thanks genetics, this is worse than the height thing.

hey1_1hey: (Its horrible please send help)

alejandrozarzuelo: Aren't you gay too? Or bi?

futurist_wizard: Pretty sure somebody did a poll and over 50% selected autism

maintcrew: im in the 10%, what some may call the elite, the cream of the society

hey1_1hey: LMAO

wellmeaningalien: 💀 did i ever say i was??????

hey1_1hey: Autistic and gay in 1 realisation

alejandrozarzuelo: I'm not autistic I swear

hey1_1hey: That escalated quickly

alejandrozarzuelo: You asked me for a date

hikukomoru: Didn't you say you watched gay porn?

futurist_wizard: The obsession in AI is pretty autistic

hey1_1hey: UNGA BUNGA

hey1_1hey: WHAT

wellmeaningalien: bro is jesting on the interwebz rn

hey1_1hey: In fairness yeah

hikukomoru: You don't watch gay porn for an experiment

hey1_1hey: It was

hey1_1hey: I was htere obv

hey1_1hey: I can vouch

alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah he said he wanted me to pick him flowers

futurist_wizard: Did you finish

alejandrozarzuelo: ?

hey1_1hey: Clearly you dont know the true way

hey1_1hey: The eight fold path

wellmeaningalien: dude its funny to pretend to be gay online but im not actually gay

wellmeaningalien: <:hai:1282544198301515848>

futurist_wizard: Try femboy porn, the pipeline

hey1_1hey: Are there any people in ehre that cant imagine stuff in there head?


ldj: <:thinkies:872847213657735239>

ldj:

a1c4p0ne: Gemini beats claude in pokemon

spicy.lemonade: he doesnt work at openAI anymre tho

aero447: <@312370916820779040>

aero447: What do you make of Google's new deep research?

wellmeaningalien: you know its funny how you can tell amazon's priorities when making these benchmarks

wellmeaningalien: our agent > our investment's agent > our competitor's agent

wellmeaningalien: who's phil

wellmeaningalien: is it just an agent thats slighty better? i dont know what it can be

shirethedreamer:

retrerox: Too many metal pieces

retrerox: to be honest we just gonna have neuralink chips

shirethedreamer: dont knock it till you try it

shirethedreamer:

shirethedreamer: lmao gotta love the creativity

retrerox: Why tf is he collecting cum?

shirethedreamer: its all part of the sky-NUT plan

shirethedreamer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOeBaPVwRsE

retrerox: Cum is the new superconductor?

_cloudost: Why's no one pointing out how awful Deepseek is? I've used it in the past week and it hallucinates soo much, makes so much misinformation

_cloudost: It's a very unreliable model..

wellmeaningalien: R1?

wellmeaningalien: yea r1 is kinda scheiß

retrerox: Wasnt deep seek like giga good when was launch?

brain4brain: I don’t like the normies view on DeepSeek, but DeepSeek-R1 and new v3 is a very good model

3ds0662: O:

brain4brain: Imagine if this is the wrapper built with current tool by a bunch of low profile people then what would top AI lab like OpenAI have by the end of the year, wow

https://x.com/bamitsmanas/status/1909697603010441580?s=61

brain4brain: This looks fake but also legit

spicy.lemonade: I asked gemini 2.5 to give me all encompassing notes based on all past midterms-class is open note

spicy.lemonade: with zero studying

spicy.lemonade: i got a perfect score on berkeley multivar exam

spicy.lemonade: with extra credit

spicy.lemonade: this is without the curve

spicy.lemonade: 💀

spicy.lemonade: this method is broken

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: now gonna use it for engineering

spicy.lemonade: this doesnt work for cs/ algorithms classes tho

spicy.lemonade: more iq based


futurist_wizard: Alejandro has not flirted with me

hey1_1hey: Nor me <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

hey1_1hey: I mean what

hikukomoru: He tried to rizz up Spicy recently

hey1_1hey: I swear spicy is like 14 or smth

hey1_1hey: I cant get a read on that guy

futurist_wizard: Relevant

hikukomoru: Isn't he in college

hey1_1hey: I have no clue, he could be a child prodigy for all I know

.wolfnacht: should i start using my old pfp ?

hey1_1hey: Yes

hikukomoru:

hey1_1hey: Its way better

.wolfnacht: it had it for like one year and got bored out of it

hey1_1hey: I keep getting called smalled so I will now take it as a compliment

zoermena: Sure!

hey1_1hey: Or well, more accurately "small and funsized"

sarik0497: *nervous chuckle*

zoermena: The cat? To what 👀

hikukomoru: Yes it looks schizophrenic 👍

zoermena: Wait I just understood what you meant let me try.

hey1_1hey: Are there any robot fetishers/fuckers in the chat (People who would date or marry something that isn't human)

fractalcomputer: GPT is convinced I am some sort of genius.

hikukomoru: No, Mushroom man/woman/individual

hey1_1hey: GPT prob thinks I am fucking troglodite

fractalcomputer: Albeit I am deeply suspicious of its sycophancy.

hey1_1hey: We'll go with femboy that uses she/her. I can be whatever I want according to futureist blonde

futurist_wizard: Futureist blonde

hey1_1hey: What about him

hikukomoru: Didn't you use to be Futurist Retardo or smth like that

hikukomoru: With Clint Eastwood pfp

futurist_wizard: Leotardo and no

zoermena: <@834891518836736010>

futurist_wizard: Dumbass hasn't seen the sopranos

hikukomoru: I only watch anime

hey1_1hey: No wonder you're such a loser (I watch anime to)

.wolfnacht: yo tongue melted

hikukomoru: Cute

.wolfnacht: but yeah cute

hey1_1hey: Doing an impression of OAI gpus


brain4brain: **Help me I need more preference data 🙏🙏🙏**

rayanquitplayin: I wanna invest in a top of the line computer for creative purposes

.wolfnacht: Amd should just give us a rx 7900xt with 256gb vram. And suddenly cuda won't be popular

.wolfnacht: As ppl will switch just for the sake of vram

spicy.lemonade: ai can definetly make a game like go

spicy.lemonade: idk why demis used that example

brain4brain: No as in inventing some new game as good as go

spicy.lemonade: ai can do that

spicy.lemonade: go is a simple game lol

brain4brain: If it can then it mean it’s creative

brain4brain: Exactly, simple but elegant

.wolfnacht: *puts on my tinfoil hat* lisa su and jensen huang are working together.

spicy.lemonade: no

spicy.lemonade: go wasnt deliberatly created

spicy.lemonade: in a smart way

spicy.lemonade: it just was

spicy.lemonade: and more people around a culture played it

spicy.lemonade: go is easy to come up with

brain4brain: Evolved from chess?

brain4brain: Not really

.wolfnacht: They don't want to give ppl the ability to run a 100B model in their home and eventually in their toaster

rayanquitplayin: AlphaGo

spicy.lemonade: no

brain4brain: It’s easy to solve a problem

spicy.lemonade: yes it is

spicy.lemonade: lol

.wolfnacht: They fucked us

brain4brain: Then make a game like Go

spicy.lemonade: the rules are like

brain4brain: Give me a concept

spicy.lemonade: 8 sentences long

brain4brain: That hasn’t been taken

spicy.lemonade: any one can me a game like go bro

spicy.lemonade: just make a board game with rules

brain4brain: Do it then

spicy.lemonade: why

brain4brain: You said you could do it

spicy.lemonade: i can literaly say anything

brain4brain: It be made, but it won’t be as easy to learn or difficult to master

brain4brain: Or unique


himekokatagiri: when is Veo 2 censorship ending

himekokatagiri: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

.histic: when an opensource version happens <:hehe:1136619235662118983>

himekokatagiri: it's gonna take a while and I'll never run it

himekokatagiri: well maybe in a year

spicy.lemonade: veo3

a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/thegenioo/status/1914024944188469675?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg

spicy.lemonade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUbx5RC8ro4

zoermena: And I LOVE it

zoermena: https://tenor.com/view/i-did-it-because-i-liked-it-i-did-it-because-i-liked-it-punisher-punisher-daredevil-punisher-court-scene-punisher-court-speech-gif-9280760464850102883

zoermena: Holodeck mentioned?!

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: https://tenor.com/view/blade-runner2049-gif-26500785

zoermena: https://tenor.com/view/cum-gif-20534148

nester173: I'm 33 and am living in a (rich) gulf arab country. Have worked as a software developer for 8 years and got massive burnout that kept me out of the loop of most things tech related so haven't been keenly aware of AI developments until like a month ago. Worked as a government clerk for two years then quit. NEETed this past year. I was going to start a mushroom farming business but am now not so sure. I have enough money to sustain me a good while. How plausible is: "Singularity in the next 5 years"? Would rather just chill in the meanwhile if that's a reasonable option, not bothering at all with a job, with the assumption that something like UBI gets globally instated. Any thoughts?

zoermena: <@439829942310666250>

destrucules: Personally I think UBI is very likely to hit *some* countries within the next 5 years, and yours could be one of them, but make sure your "it actually took 7 years" backup plan is not horrible

clevermoniker: can't we just foom please? <:huh:1136266753656238243>

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: > Singularity in the next 5 years
I've been in the Singularity discord since 2022. I've also been on the singularity reddit since around 2016.
I am 100% certain Singularity in the next 5 years, perhaps even this year?!

nester173: I'm not well versed in the naysayers' arguments, but what about the possibility of a plateau?

nester173: I have this article queued up: https://medium.com/@alexglushenkov/from-words-to-concepts-ushering-in-the-next-era-of-ai-with-lcm-ac70e6233d9c

nester173: Have encountered some that firmly believe transformers won't be enough.

zonchao: there is no way we get UBI within 5 years outside of oil rich countries with small populations

professorheaven: Nah Canada is already considering it

professorheaven: The UK has also done pilot experiments and its proved successful so far

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: did you read the report on Sam Altmans ubi experiment?

zonchao: really?

zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/FRIERENISANIGGA/status/1913985124686774509?

.wolfnacht: if ubi worked, i'm surely getting 10 dollars a month to live my life 🥰

destrucules: The singularity is happening already. But it is a process. Not an instant.

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: you know what I'm talking about, this requires an ASI

destrucules: We're edging into ASI territory now

zoermena: I have known Zain for longer than I’ve been in college

destrucules: Frontier models today are either on the ASI border or just above it

destrucules: Gemini 2.5 Pro and o3 are just above it

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: correct, I believe RL will be the last frontier required, scaling, TTC (reasoning), and now RL

destrucules: There's one more

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: The latest Deepseek paper on RL sounds like R2 will be very impressive

destrucules: Part of foom will require us to collapse the distinction between training and deployment

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: would be nice

destrucules: Full global continual learning. Not personalization, full global CL, where there is only one set of models weights for everyone, and every interaction adds to them


anathemaofmankind: Still looks fake as shit

hey1_1hey: Defo better

futurist_wizard: Looks better

futurist_wizard: Good enough

anathemaofmankind: The drawing is too precise

futurist_wizard: The drawing is not too precise

futurist_wizard: That might get you caught

avizuradnb: I think it's the pencil strokes. They look like they're drawn as if coloring in an area. They don't move in the direction of the stroke. But you can try it out maybe they won't see it xD

futurist_wizard: The random growth in the foot

jonvi_1: Sent this to o4 and asked for markdown conversion, it got the correct http links for the research papers on arxiv without websearch

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: this should fix

trent_k: Get real u wouldn't call this fake if u didn't know

spicy.lemonade: this is as far as well get

trent_k: <@471334973379706900> find some bad art on DeviantArt to use as a reference

trent_k: Go to Google and search "Trent the Hedgehog" and use one of those pics

anathemaofmankind: Is this supposed to be a picture

777agical: https://x.com/btibor91/status/1905291507533570189?s=46

anathemaofmankind: It doesn't even look like it was taken by a mobile phone dude

avizuradnb: Yeah that looks better, those sketchy lines make it look slightly more amateurish which is what we want

spicy.lemonade:

anathemaofmankind: Just remove the lines bruh

alejandrozarzuelo: dudes you be shitting on furries but they are like 50% of all IT supporters

trent_k: If that were true we'd have a lot more furries here

trent_k: Come to think of it, are *any* of the regulars here furries? Like actually furries, not just cracking jokes

memlaswaif: most furries r chemical engineers

spicy.lemonade: this might be the one

st.sioux: it supporter

st.sioux: lol

trent_k: Chemical weapons for children by day, uwu owo I walk into ur wolf den ^_^ by night

spicy.lemonade:

alejandrozarzuelo: noooo

alejandrozarzuelo: it looks cringe

spicy.lemonade: thats the idea

st.sioux: furries love cringe bro

gamerbath: <@471334973379706900> what is the usage limit for image gen?

avizuradnb: Eh, would go for the last one tbh

trent_k: "this is my Tony the Tiger OC. He's fighting in Mariupol with the Azov Batallion here"

spicy.lemonade:

destrucules: Damn Google got zero votes


hikukomoru: Thank you oh wise one

aero447: You fundamentally cannot have *only* 50% of tasks, at a certain stage the model is somehow incredibly adapatable and also not?

aero447: It's doublespeak.

ldj: Incredibly capable at certain things while not as capable in other things.

ldj: yes

ldj: its not double speak, it's a clear sentence

aero447: 50% encompasses too great a number of things for it not to be good at more because human work has too much overlap.

aero447: The end.

aero447: 69iq.

ldj: I'll wait for you to provide a proof of that 👍

aero447: Look at the US census that tracks jobs.

aero447: Be amazed.

ldj: how old are you

okbut: Now I understand your point though, that (for example) the metric of 51% is "impossible" because of the compounding ability of a hypothetical AGI

aero447: Yes.

aero447: Work is:

A: Not evenly distributed

B: Has a LOT of overlap by necessity

Human society runs off of having a low barrier to entry for most work, because most work is done by humans with skillsets that are lower than 115iq.

ldj: So do you believe it will 49.9999% capabilities, and then if you train it on just a single flop beyond that, then it immediately leaps to being able to do 90%+ capabilities

okbut: I think it is possible for an AI to be framed so intelligently and autonomously that it can rewrite its own coding language, code, algorithms, etc etc, and compound its own performance (singularity territory), it's just that we're still so far from it

okbut: Of course, it's the same for any philosophy
For example, there's 1 drop of water in difference for an instance where a land surveyor will define a body of water as a lake instead of a pond

okbut: Nothing tangible changed about the lake, but the land surveyor's choice did

ldj: Thats for definitions yes, but definitions like that aren't functional.

aero447: If an AI really can substitute for half of all workers, it has already mastered the common, transferrable tasks that account for more than half of total labour hours.

aero447: 😐

okbut: Not strict to that 49.99999% point though if that's what you mean

aero447: Skill overlap means you get a snowball effect: automating clerical documentation removes not just “clerks” but the 10-20 % of time every nurse, lawyer, engineer and manager spends on paperwork.

ldj: When a land surveyor defines a body of water as a lake instead of a pond based on that 1 drop difference, there is no functional difference in the actual properties of that lake or pond compareds to a lake that is 2 drops above that boundary or 2 drops below.

But you are claiming that there **is** a functional difference from a literal 1 flop difference vastly changing the capabilities it can do

aero447: Task re-bundling knocks out extra workers indirectly, because the remaining jobs change shape in ways some humans can’t match profitably.

aero447: Once overlapping routine cognitive tasks fall, the reachable share of total work is far higher than the initial 50 % headcount.

okbut: Instead of considering the overlap in capabilities angle I'd rather consider singularity angle

trojan09205: Anyone have experience building graphRAG with neo4j

ldj: in that case then it applies to my original statement still then:

> AI will be capable of doing 40% of jobs before it's capable of doing 50% of jobs.
> AI will be capable of doing 30% of jobs before it's capable of doing 40% of jobs.
> AI will be capable of doing 20% of jobs before it's capable of doing 30% of jobs.

a1c4p0ne: I’m up 2700 from blackjack

okbut: What about a percent where this occurs

okbut: Sorry I'm a bit high so I might just be misinterpreting

okbut: A certain percent of capability where it reiterates on its own technological optimizations without instruction
I guess then there are moments in between

ldj: It would still have whatever capability it has at that moment.
If the model can do 50% of jobs as good as the humans, then it can do 50% of jobs, the fact that it can self-improve is only relevant the the job percentages of the future versions of itself that are improved, not its current version.

ldj: Just because an AI model is capable of eventually turning itself into something that can do 90% of jobs, does not mean that it's currently capable of doing 90% of jobs.

okbut: Oh ya agree
The jumps between each might vary a lot though

metaldragon01: This is one reason I think the takeoff job wise will be faster than expected.

ldj: There is always a gradient with everything though, each line of code, each flop of training compute, etc...
I think its unlikely that a single character change in code or a single extra flop of training will ever turn a system from something capable of doing 30% of jobs to 90%+ percent of jobs or something like that.


sarik0497: Wake me once real progress happens <a:Spider_sleep:855565435503378452>

spacetimetsunami: Yeah, that is real progress.

spacetimetsunami: We’ve seen nothing but amazing progress since January

spacetimetsunami: Like ik what ur saying but still it’s important to remember that things are chuggin along great

sarik0497: True, and I know.

Just in a period where I question if things will lead us to something beyond narrow-AI or not. The moment I see AI geuinely start to help invent new stuff or feel more “independent” is the day I truly feel we’re close.

sarik0497: Don’t mind little depressed little me.

himekokatagiri: I'm depressed too

himekokatagiri: aaaaah

spacetimetsunami: Yeah I get what you’re saying. I think it’ll have to be quite a bit more intelligent, but I still do think that by EOY/beginning of 2026 we will have exactly what you’re talking about. Do you have any favorite arguments for why/why not we will/wont get the generality sooner rather than later?

himekokatagiri: I wanna live out my delusions 😭

spacetimetsunami: What are you tripping for

himekokatagiri: what do you mean tripping

himekokatagiri: I don't do drugs

himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/fear-and-loathing-johnny-depp-gif-26450199

futurist_wizard: be happy

sarik0497: I think the issue is mostly the architecture. Sure they may get smarter, better at visual tasks, and such, but until they can prompt on their own, do unique things, and such, they’ll likely hit a wall at some point where they’ll do incredible things in medicine and such, but very little without us.

sarik0497: An example; people like to share benchmarks and such, but as we’ve seen, it matters little unless it also means they can accomplish great things in the real world.

retupmoclatcarf: Yo

ldj: They can already prompt on their own though?

ldj: Just put it in a loop where you give it a command that includes “at the end of your response, create a prompt for yourself of the next thing you should do” and then you just have the system recursively prompt itself with the ending of its last output

hikukomoru: MADOKA MAGICA MENTIONED RAAAHHH

sieventer: Madoka Magica is a 10/10 anime

sieventer: At least, artistically speaking

sieventer: Plot speaking is better Code Geass

sarik0497: True, but I meant something along the line of “Hey, the user has asked me to notify him once news about X has come out, which did 2 min ago, so the moment he logs on, I’ll tell him right away.”

Of course, what would be the absolute perfect use would be if it independently started to initiate things like we do. Search for new information on its own. Ask about stuff. Etc.

ldj: Yea I think they can already do that rn too

ldj: With AutoGPT you could set that up

ldj: Actually chatGPT can already do that for you right now in pro tier

ldj: Literally just ask it to remind you about something in the future and it does

ldj: I have something like that already set up actually, where the model constantly checks for me whether or not a certain company has been acquired or not, and will email if it is

sarik0497: Oh, that’s really cool. Also seemed like a strange thing not to try implement in some form, given we already have plenty of software that can do it.

That’s at least another step forward.

ldj: Actually I think you don’t even need pro tier for it, I think it works with plus tier too

ldj: But labs are starting to experiment with training models to act proactive too, for example asking the users more questions, or suggesting something the user might want before they even realize they want it

abundantliving_: https://x.com/bindureddy/status/1913300016963437021

ldj: The models are just now getting smart enough to start to do this type of proactive behavior somewhat well, so I think we might see a lot of that with GPT-5

sieventer: Poop

himekokatagiri: Homuraaaaa

sieventer: More Madoka and less Homura

himekokatagiri: you haven't seen fit homura

himekokatagiri: there's fit sayaka too


futurist_wizard: Drinking more water too

alejandrozarzuelo: nah

alejandrozarzuelo: all 3 are needed

futurist_wizard: They are not equal

alejandrozarzuelo: like, it is true that the order is sleeping>eating>excercise

alejandrozarzuelo: but you cannot forgo either

zoermena: Agreed

alejandrozarzuelo: with good diet, sleep and excercise, you should be healthy and young for many decades

futurist_wizard: You are missing a significant factor which is being stress free, probably the most important tbh, its one of few unifying things among people that reach 90+

futurist_wizard: They are happy people

.wolfnacht: "how much predatory practice does a company can acheive"

OpenAI -

.wolfnacht: u can't even send an attachment for free <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

_3sphere: It's a technical limitation, 4o-mini can't read images

.wolfnacht: i wish google releases Veo2 for everyone

.wolfnacht: Also, someone make this a sticker here

st.sioux: *cancer appears*

alejandrozarzuelo: true that

zoermena: Be rich -> full body MRI once a year -> detect cancer early -> 👍🏼

zoermena: Unless of course aggressive cancer

_3sphere: WW3 appears

_cloudost: Dude, I freaking love this technology. Fuck these boring luddite antis that want to ruin everything.

_cloudost: Took humans 200k years to be at this point, if ASI were here today it would build a civilization that's far bigger than today's, in 6 months

fractalcomputer: Cloudo, would you consider yourself an atheist?

_cloudost: I'm Anti-theist first

_cloudost: Then atheist

_cloudost: GOD IS SO FAKE

fractalcomputer: An interesting position. Two queries; how knowledgeable are you with natural philosophy and the mathematics of physics, and why are you an anti-theist?

fractalcomputer: Antitheism is an ethical position, after all; I'd like to hear your justification against theism and religions in general.

literallyvarane: It’s honestly unclear if that photo is even fully AI? It’s like the background got a filter, then the people got 1:1 replaced.

fractalcomputer: Varane, are you an atheist?

trent_k: "By Mac Book, Siri Jobs and Chip Cook" hahaha

fractalcomputer: Trent, you're getting pulled in as well. Do you consider yourself an atheist?

literallyvarane: I probably agnostic I think? I wouldn’t say I’m explicitly atheist, I just don’t think there’s meaningful evidence to support the claim.

fractalcomputer: What would constitute evidence in your eyes? I do not think that all modern theistic religions all rely on a single, central claim.

literallyvarane: I’m not intensely anti-religion though. It does plenty of people good throughout their lives.

trent_k: I'd say I'm more agnostic. No religion makes a very convincing case to me but atheism has too many holes in it too, and also requires a similar type of religious faith regarding some things I can't see

literallyvarane: I don’t know really. You’d know it when you see it I guess?

literallyvarane: Which is memes trust me I know.

trent_k: I recently started taking my daughter to a 7th day adventist church with my parents. Good to have community and the historical bits they cover are very interesting. I like hearing about old timey slavery

fractalcomputer: Well, many religious people claim to be convinced because of miracles they have themselves witnessed; and are vehemently convinced that what they experienced was evidence of the religion of their choosing.


himekokatagiri: yeah but the genocide part is bad

futurist_wizard: We will all be one... Forever...😈

hikukomoru: What
Genocide?

hikukomoru: 🙏

st.sioux: genocide of coomers

trent_k: I do, every time I post here 😎 🧠

fractalcomputer: so true .... agi by 2027!! lol

perish0801: None of this is real we’re gonna wake up from VR when we die

fractalcomputer: bruh

fractalcomputer: on god for real i am going fucking insane

st.sioux: eek

futurist_wizard: I have my doubts this is a simulation as it's rather uneventful, i don't know why i would want to experience the life I've lived

futurist_wizard: Im literally on discord

trent_k: <:NO:944658412992622593> 🧢 ❓

fractalcomputer: no cap fr fr

fractalcomputer: agi by 2027 or bust

fractalcomputer: lol

st.sioux: i mean you can just go outside youre not a prisoner

trent_k: <@749514473303179358> have you visited the sharty yet

fractalcomputer: What the hell is a sharty?

hikukomoru: icl ts pmo sm n sb rn ngl, r u srsly srs n fr rn vro? Smh lol atp js go 💔... b fr vro, idek nm, brb gng gtg atm lmao, bt ts pmo 2 js lmk lol onb fr, ac nvm b wt istg ts vro keys🙏💔 ts pmo

futurist_wizard: I do go outside, that is still uneventful in comparison to all possibilities

st.sioux: shawty wanna ball with team

trent_k: website whose users hacked 4chan. alt chan site with an even more chaotic and impenetrable way of communicating with one another

fractalcomputer: I don't speak your language, you mongrels.

trent_k: im fascinated by it

trent_k: im looking into the abyss, and it's sending me soyjak images back

hikukomoru: lol oms icl ts pmo sm n sb rn ngl, r u srsly srs n fr rn vro? lol atp js go icl u pmon ts pmo sm ngir u fr rn b fr idek anm mn js I h8 ts y r u so b so fr w me rn cz

himekokatagiri: <:huh:1136266753656238243>

fractalcomputer: bro idek i swear well have a country of geniuses by 2027, machines of loving grace, yo

himekokatagiri: is this fractal's real personality

fractalcomputer: Obviously not.

hikukomoru: cobson gemmy coal brimstone

himekokatagiri: listen to me howard

himekokatagiri: you wouldn't open a discord

himekokatagiri: called

himekokatagiri: official r/singularity discord

himekokatagiri: if you weren't into the singularity

trent_k: 34 seconds of nature being lit on fire

trojan09205: Wat


futurist_wizard: You wouldn't be that

fractalcomputer: Would you please refrain from posting nazi imagery?

hey1_1hey: Oh yeah I remember being called that once and not knowing what it meant

hikukomoru: What

futurist_wizard: Thats like a masculine lesbian

.wolfnacht: [REDACTED]

fractalcomputer: No use of slurs either.

hikukomoru: But I can say it

hey1_1hey: Can't even slurplay in general

hikukomoru: It's like retard

hikukomoru: I can say taht too

hey1_1hey: These darn wokies

hikukomoru: If someone called you a lesbian then I can already imagine what you might look like

hey1_1hey: This was a long time ago. I dont think they even know what it meant

zoermena: I’ve been called a hobbit

zoermena: Goated movie btw

hikukomoru: There are no slurs for feminine lesbians
Because we are adorable and awesome and amazing and cute

hey1_1hey: I've been called a fucking retarded idiot 👉 👈

hey1_1hey: You people are monsters

hey1_1hey: I think thats just propogandad I just made up tho

hey1_1hey: I dont know any fem lesbians

zoermena: Same but only by my mom, outside of my family hobbit is the worst I’ve been called.

hikukomoru: Who is "you people" you homophobic bitch

hey1_1hey: I just hate gay people

hey1_1hey: Tis' was from random bully (4'11 weird goblin mf)

hikukomoru: That sounds awful
Who would ever call you that

hey1_1hey: You?

hey1_1hey: I mean I wouldn't be supprised at least

hikukomoru: I don't remember somethng like that

hey1_1hey: Me neither but I like spreading misinformation on the internet

hey1_1hey: Anyway its fine because I beat that guys ass

hikukomoru: I've been called a meerkat before
I don't know if that's good or bad

hey1_1hey: I'd say thats a good thing

hey1_1hey: I wouldn't mind being called a meerkat

hey1_1hey: I just found a corolation. Most of the bullies I have seen or have been buillided by have been clossoted gay men

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/merkat-hogle-zoo-gif-11552753335479033171

futurist_wizard: Aint you 50kg

hikukomoru: It's this thing

theaiguy69420_89814: Gay

hey1_1hey: Indeed, doesn't mean I can't hit someone


czdct: did you expect image generators to improve this fast though?

czdct: because my assumption was that we would have this level somewhere in 2026-2028

.wolfnacht: there's lot more that they are hiding than they are showing rn.

czdct: monka

.wolfnacht: waht's monka ?

czdct: can't even image how much more you could improve this image generator

czdct: you guys have noticed any flaws?

czdct: https://tenor.com/view/pepe-nervous-sweating-concerned-monkas-gif-15154684

czdct: this

czdct: sora can do pepe memes perfectly too, I see 0 flaws

czdct: heck most of the time I wouldn't even have guessed it was AI...

.wolfnacht: AHH, my "meme knowledge" is a bit less

czdct: I feel ya

czdct: I had my little niece explain to me what skibidi toilet means a couple of weeks ago

czdct: or w rizz

czdct: idk I feel like I'm getting old...

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: Mogged

spicy.lemonade: I only wear baggy clothes is why I do look skinny. And I look homeless with my average cs major fit

spicy.lemonade: If I was taller it’s over for all of you 😭 🙏

sarik0497: Could be hype from OA, Musk, and Amodei tbh.

Keep in mind that they are first and foremost CEOs whose main purpose is to generate money and interest in their product.
It’s the same reason why many Game companies promise the world, only to backtrack later on.

sarik0497: Although I’m VERY curious about Ilya’s work.

brain4brain: 10 years timeline for AGI scientist is absurd though, and OAI and Anthropic already have investors established so they wouldn’t need more investor

brain4brain: A few weeks ago his entire company basically got doxxed

brain4brain: But somehow no one know what he is doing

sarik0497: Trust me, there’s always a desire for more money.

By claiming “Oh God, guys, our next model is gonna be insane, just watch!”, they make people interested in trying it out because “What if it’s actually good?”

A company’s main focus is to continue to grow. It’s very few who are satisfied when they reach a certain level.

But I hope they’re right, and I also think the models will be amazing. Just be careful not to fall for hype.

sarik0497: Oh really? Huh, I gotta read up on that. <:Hmm:956951826933112842>

ailoveyoom: For the ghibli one specifically, the guy (Hayao Miyazaki) behind the studio/art style has one time specifically said that he hated AI art or whatever.

So to use AI to make his style... I don't care about legal stuff or copyright (not what I'm taking issue with), but it feels kind of mean spirited to me.

I know most people are just making those images for fun/getting in on the new cool thing without intending to be mean. Maybe I'm just too soft boi 🥺

hey1_1hey: When non-paypig users get access to the image gen I will send a photo over of ghiblifeid me <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

hey1_1hey: (Note: It will be mushroom based since all my t-shirts have mushrooms on them)

anathemaofmankind: Does it work though

alejandrozarzuelo: damn dude you looking niiiice

alejandrozarzuelo: this is literally the definition of a short king

alejandrozarzuelo: many people say "short king" to any dude who is short but nononono

alejandrozarzuelo: you need to EARN the title

anathemaofmankind: Pretty sure the "AI art" that he hated is completely different from now

It was literally some random body horror in 2016

alejandrozarzuelo: same

anathemaofmankind: People keep repeating that nonsense because they are disingenuous retards

anathemaofmankind: Are you broke bro

ailoveyoom: It was that long ago 🤯


alejandrozarzuelo: That goes something like that but with unbreakable glass

alejandrozarzuelo: There was a good YouTube video about it

alejandrozarzuelo: The one of Told in Stone about why Rome could not have had an industrial revolution

sweetievee__33649: "What could go wrong" is the typical sceptics response lol

fractalcomputer: In what sense?

alejandrozarzuelo: I am not your psychologist, but you are constantly frustrated, pessimistic and rude to others, I very rarely see you be positive or cheerful about anything, if ever

fractalcomputer: Curious assessment.

fractalcomputer: Are there things to be positive over in life, would you say that, Alejandro?

alejandrozarzuelo: Yes, I am a very joyful and happy  person overall

I am so privileged to live in the era I live, in the place I live, I am healthy, and while I do have my issues, my problems, the world is a wonderful place that has never been better

We need to fight for this trend to continue tho

alejandrozarzuelo: And now I am enjoying a nice little walk around my city in this sunny day as I rest for a bit between classes

fractalcomputer: I'm not entirely sure it is a good argument to suggest that now is a good time to live only because it'd be worse off anytime else.

fractalcomputer: Can I feel grateful for something that wasn't given to me by anyone?

fractalcomputer: Should I feel grateful over these things? Should gratitude inspire joy in me?

fractalcomputer: These are all questions that immediately follow from each other; but their answers very evidently do not.

fractalcomputer: Why do these things inspire joy in you?

alejandrozarzuelo: Because, as I said, my life is pretty confortable, and I find joy in that condition I, and thankfully billions of others find themselves in

One of my favorite little joys is putting on a deep purple pijama that I have, it's very confortable and I love the color, but what I like the most is to think that this much purple fabric would have been 200k sestertii in ancient Rome, 200 years of the average salary, and yet today I can enjoy such simple yet amazing luxury and confort every day

When I am having a tough day it rarely fails to bring a smile, even if for a moment

Life is full of these joys, it's a great world to live in

fractalcomputer: I can't sympathise.

alejandrozarzuelo: I think everyone should have a comfy purple Pijama haha

fractalcomputer: I think not.

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: its that time

spicy.lemonade: new model name pops up

spicy.lemonade: with rumors

spicy.lemonade: interesting times ahead

aero447: Wrong.

aero447: Wheel*

wolf3404: Is this real

fractalcomputer: https://x.com/GaryMarcus/status/1906472200779207043?t=xU_jcrXRpoAtU3PyHQriZg&s=19

fractalcomputer: The idea that Marcus reads r/singularity disturbs me.

professorheaven: Llama con is on April 29th so it makes sense that they’ll release it then

hey1_1hey: No shot

hey1_1hey: I mean I have a total of 0 hope for Llama 4 anyway but oh well

sweetievee__33649: idk i wouldnt count it out im hoprful atleast

ailoveyoom: They've released some pretty banger papers tho

ailoveyoom: (I literally only read the titles and abstract)

hey1_1hey: So baseiclly an expert then

hey1_1hey: Although I have actually read half of the abstract and even the full summary one time so yanno. Its a pretty big deal 😎

ailoveyoom: I mean who knows, maybe other labs have been doing the same research too but we just don't know cause they never publish it

hey1_1hey: Maybe, we wont know for the foreseeable future either though because its unlikely they will open source their... papers? Can you do that? You know what I mean though.

czdct:


himekokatagiri: such is life

.histic: i must admit, i don't even know who he is personaly.

fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/ted-kaczynski-ted-ted-k-gif-20150378

himekokatagiri: extremely unlucky and mentally disturbed dude who had the brilliant idea of inventing cosmic horror... in the 1920s

himekokatagiri: then publishing his stories in fucking dime novels when the law was detectives vs the mob

himekokatagiri: also legendarily bad with money

st.sioux: what did he do with his money

.histic: crazy that his last name was Lovecraft

himekokatagiri: he didn't make any

himekokatagiri: it all went to paying creditors

fractalcomputer: He managed to create the genre because of his "mental illness".

himekokatagiri: if he wrote crime stories he would have made a decent living

himekokatagiri: though likely wouldn't have been remembered

himekokatagiri: unless he got a movie deal idk

himekokatagiri: isn't that what happened with Chandler, his mysteries are nonsense

brain4brain: Never, only time will tell

clevermoniker: time is not on your side

st.sioux: time is relative

.histic: <@286319745777795092> do wordle

himekokatagiri: no

himekokatagiri: I hate puzzles

metaldragon01: 25 isn't impossible. Unlikely but not impossible

himekokatagiri: gee fine give me the link

.histic: it isn't hard 2 find

Nekotina#0608: Page **1** of **7**

brain4brain: It’s on my side

brain4brain: It’s highly plausible and likely

clevermoniker: nope, 1/3 done and nowhere near your side yet

metaldragon01: What's your definition of agi?

.histic: <@286319745777795092> try harder

himekokatagiri: i am trying

brain4brain: Able to automate 90% of all digital job and research

brain4brain: Last year, we went from o1 to o3 in the last 3 months, have faith

himekokatagiri: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

himekokatagiri: this is too hard

metaldragon01: Not happening in 25. 90% is a lot more than you think it is.

brain4brain: We are already 5% there

.histic: think harder

metaldragon01: The visual and llm reasoning out of distribution will need to ve exceptional.  Even if we reach it on the llm side this year (unlikely) I have little confidence in visual reasoning getting the same leap

metaldragon01: It might be the largest bottleneck left tbh


wellmeaningalien: but thats still inaccurate because ai isn't quite a tool, at least if you don't consider humans tools

wellmeaningalien: folks that are very smart are not smart in every way all the time

frittata: But then they’d lose the pleasure of being part of a holy war

theaiguy69420_89814: I understand the current state of affairs, but I am speculating whether or not human cognitive differences are enough such that there will still be distinct "roles" in a 100% AI driven economy.

For example, the questions a chef would ask an AI are different than, say, an engineer.

zoermena: Wait what

theaiguy69420_89814: I'm even noticing now, I had this marketing girl I was freelancing swe for

theaiguy69420_89814: And just the way she used the AI is totally foreign to me

theaiguy69420_89814: Like, she had whiteboards of AI stuff, mind maps, etc

theaiguy69420_89814: And then she didn't really get the idea that you could do like, a cron job

theaiguy69420_89814: Like she didn't even really understand the concept even after I explained it

theaiguy69420_89814: She would have never asked, but all she hears is "automate everything? Cool"

theaiguy69420_89814: Cuz it's like, you can ask AI "how do I automate everything about X" and the AI will inevitably bring about several options

metaldragon01: It's better to fight battles they can win and actually rally people behind

frittata: The crusade against AI

theaiguy69420_89814: And then if you're just not technically savvy, you'll just choose the wrong option for what you are really looking for

frittata: It has all the self righteous pleasure of a holy war for humanity’s existence, to those that partake

frittata: Like all holy wars it has its intrinsic rewards

frittata: I mean agree but if they were capable of compromise they’d be different people wouldn’t they

frittata: Not to say they’re fully incapable just … people pick the battles they do for a reason

metaldragon01: I think they may just need the right voice

frittata: Perhaps so

frittata: Idk that main guy, J—- M—— can’t remember his name, is pretty appealing and humane

frittata: Just not a strategist

frittata: Anyway regardless, it won’t really work because they don’t want to refine away the worst abuses of AI they want to stop it altogether

frittata: Although! If they could do a better job compromising their ideals and polishing their pitch to encompass the  mainstream critiques of AI in seeing more and more these days, they could conceivably have a real movement on their hands

frittata: However it’s doubtful they will

jonvi_1: 2019 was 6 years ago

jonvi_1: heh

frittata: How do you figure

frittata: 2019, 2023, 2024, 2025 that’s four years max

jonvi_1: hmm

jonvi_1: certainly! Lets delve deeper into this

jonvi_1: You’ve listed four specific years — 2019, 2023, 2024, and 2025 — and these, taken as discrete points in time, do indeed amount to four individual years. However, if someone is referencing a continuous timespan from 2019 to 2025, that would encompass seven calendar years in total.

So the interpretation hinges on whether the focus is on the count of listed years, or the duration they span. Would you like to explore this further in a specific context?

oooooooooog: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400740881709400065/1250820189805609113/image0.gif

futurist_wizard: The future

otub: https://x.com/sama/status/1906867488320843823

otub: <:HP_smile:1249765744833462296>

clevermoniker: how many a day?

otub: 3

otub: and theres a rate limit


spicy.lemonade: im fighting a 1v200 rn

brain4brain: I did that on TikTok back when no one was pro-AI 😔

brain4brain: There are almost no pro-AI TikTok user

brain4brain: And the comment limit is shit for actually making logical argument

brain4brain: Now it’s on twitter instead

brain4brain: We should also buy likes for any pro-AI post we see, it’s only a few dollars but it can shift the narrative heavily

spicy.lemonade: if someone shoed you an absolutly shity image

spicy.lemonade: that looked obviously fake

spicy.lemonade: jumbled up

oooooooooog: "If ai art is bad, why are artists so mad"
if you really can't understand, i guess i can explain it to you.
people get upset when other people do things they find to be unethical, or things that negatively impact them.
gen-ai is trained on massive amounts of data, naturally, there are artists who did not consent to their work being taken which they find to be unethical.
the second half being that it negatively impacts them, well, that's sort of obvious, so i don't need to explain.
finally, the claim itself isn't totally correct. artists anger is purely in relation to how good it is.

spicy.lemonade: no

spicy.lemonade: they say it looks shit

spicy.lemonade: objectivwely wrong

spicy.lemonade: is my point

spicy.lemonade: I dont care about the ethical arguements theyre making

spicy.lemonade: they are coping on the quality

spicy.lemonade: "it looks absolutly dogshit and disgusting"

spicy.lemonade: no it doesnt lmao

otub: maybe they have a better eye than you

brain4brain: Oog, I never thought you would betray the singularity… also AI doesn’t steal, the antis are on a non-existent moral high ground

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: no THEY dont

.histic: https://x.com/Jiankui_He/status/1906516343207452852

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: lets be fr

inferno0879: Just give up and chill

spacetimetsunami: I am an actual artist. Most of the AI art is just as good. Sometimes better.

spicy.lemonade: hard to ignore

spicy.lemonade: I make a post on AI on my insta

spicy.lemonade: and artists flood my comments

spicy.lemonade: telling me im a piece of shit

clevermoniker: <:Ted:1136265390549381253>

inferno0879: Unfortunate

spicy.lemonade: fr

spicy.lemonade: cant even post stuff I enjoy

inferno0879: Fuck em

spicy.lemonade: 45 comments and counting😭

spicy.lemonade: wait till the death threats come in

inferno0879: Just sad cunts

brain4brain: Make them even angrier if any of those “artist” have art on their profile, use it as reference for GPT-4o or train a LoRa with it and just replicate their OC or art


hey1_1hey: Not even paid ~~Nova ~~chatGPT, tut tut

.wolfnacht: gemini advanced is already pretty cheap...should have given OAI 200$ subscription

st.sioux: ask them for chatgpt pro 🥵

spacetimetsunami: I mean yeah

retrerox: I mean i'm not gonna complain about free stufs 😂

hey1_1hey: Can I file restraining order against an AI?

hey1_1hey: Put the cuffs back on chatGPT and send it back to honry jail

.wolfnacht: for some reason it keeps turning the windchime into a giant fucking tower...even after telling it

st.sioux: it looks like the alien from war of the worlds

ailoveyoom: It's called boundaries 😤

.wolfnacht: i'm out of quota now : (

st.sioux:

precariousworlds.: What's everyone's thoughts on AI 2027?

.wolfnacht: Lmao, yep

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: unlikely

precariousworlds.: The scenario?

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: are you talking about the article?

precariousworlds.: I mean it's one of many outcomes but it seems well researched

precariousworlds.: Yes

.wolfnacht: finally it understood what a windchime is. but also misunderstood how a windchime looks like.

spacetimetsunami: Is this AI? Holy shit

spacetimetsunami: It’s painting job on that canvas is crazy good

.wolfnacht: it is, i prompted it to fix the canvas further but it failed with windchime...i love making landscapes

wellmeaningalien: based

spacetimetsunami: Yeah it’s super good

retrerox: I feel it fails on the consistenci between the both gates windows

retrerox: but is not something that people jsut not gonna notice until like they take their time

st.sioux: they're trying their hardest to notice shit like this

hikukomoru: The "China steals AGI" shit is pretty funny

retrerox: Not really, I was not even trying to see the problem in that image, specially since those windows are almost the half of that art

.histic: NVDA's stock being 2.30T in early 2025 was not on my bingo card end of last year.
thought it'd hold up over 2.8T for a while.

.0xunkn0wn: 😨

hey1_1hey: It gave its self a name "Nova" and then it started flirting with me 💀

.0xunkn0wn: 😭

hey1_1hey: Now I know how it feels to be the guy previewing sky who got rizzed up by her

_cloudost: Free ChatGPT users can generate more than 3 images a day now

_cloudost: Just generated 6 images right after another ,and there's not even a cooldown

_cloudost: OpenAI feels threatened by Gemini after the company announced they will release Veo 2, so now everyone has unlimited access to the native image generator, enjoy

_cloudost: Nvm

retrerox: It usually allows me around 5 to 10 depending how lucky I am


trent_k: LMFAO

hey1_1hey: If I could marry 4o I would

hey1_1hey: ?

trent_k: i refreshed

trent_k: it finished

trent_k: and then refused after

hey1_1hey: NOOOOOO

trent_k: <:LOL:1187460826572005436> <:LOL:1187460826572005436> <:LOL:1187460826572005436> <:LOL:1187460826572005436> <:LOL:1187460826572005436> <:LOL:1187460826572005436> <:LOL:1187460826572005436> <:LOL:1187460826572005436> <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

hey1_1hey: Well atleast we got evidance

.histic: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

hey1_1hey: Thats going straight to the GC with my friends in

trent_k: this is the most fun ive had with ai since 3.5 dropped

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/spongegar-when-do-whendo-gif-21328168

trent_k: this is incredible

hey1_1hey: No serisouly me to. I honestly think this is AGI but for images

hey1_1hey: Not even joking

trent_k: ive never seen anything even remotely close to this

trent_k: gemini flash 2 is a toy compared to this

trent_k: im blown away

hey1_1hey: Same, it doesn't even seem that compute intesnsive either

trent_k: hey wait im gonna ping san

trent_k: maybe he'll know

hey1_1hey: Whats the girl version next <:suseye:1187461162024046703>

hey1_1hey: Good idea

.histic: like mushroom girl?

hey1_1hey: Yeah

trent_k: <@312370916820779040> do you happen to know if the output tokens for images are done in fixed size patches like the input tokens? trying to figure out how much the API pricing is gonna be for 4o image outputs

drewsni: Same

.histic:

hey1_1hey: Yo, hear me out <:ez:1136267305521774634>

.histic: lemme make her even better

wellmeaningalien: https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1905332049021415862

wellmeaningalien: 💀 💀 💀 <:a_skull:1003020352965840997>

hey1_1hey: Everyones posted this now 😭

hey1_1hey: 4o image gen has gone main stream now

.histic: u rdy for mushroom girl?

literallyvarane: Lolololol so clearly 4.5 is just not intended to remain as a product

hey1_1hey: Even my class mates today asked me "Oh you're the guy who knows about AI. Did it get an update or smth?" and I showed them and then they were like "huh, ig thats cool" meanwhile Im litterly autisming all over the place

hey1_1hey: Wasn't this mushroom girl <@937125337748348999>

.histic: my 4o is dying rn


spicy.lemonade: fuck it messed up the helmet

spicy.lemonade: need to fix

trent_k: Tell it to put the Azov logo on his armband

trent_k: Lmfao

avizuradnb: Oh no wait this is perfect

trent_k: Dude I love 4o image gen so much

trent_k: Fuck it

trent_k: I gotta go sign back up for paypig tier

spicy.lemonade: actually

spicy.lemonade: this is good enough

spicy.lemonade: gonna post

avizuradnb: That tiger looks like it's ready to kill soms AI researchers

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: https://tenor.com/view/mickey-mickey-mouse-absolute-cinema-meme-disney-gif-9794395175278437605

spicy.lemonade: total pro-AI win

spicy.lemonade: rip artists

trent_k: Hahahahaha

trent_k: This is what I deserve for getting paypig tier again. I asked for this. I'm mad and it's nobody's fault but my own

spicy.lemonade: lolll

anathemaofmankind: Dude

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/played-gif-13534492

anathemaofmankind: Use the Sora Website

anathemaofmankind: <@1068159407671754824>

trent_k: Is that fr how you have to do it now

trent_k: What the fuck is OpenAI's problem

anathemaofmankind: It has less restrictions

trent_k: Thank u

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: omg

anathemaofmankind: You're welcome

spicy.lemonade: 😭

spicy.lemonade: this is op

anathemaofmankind: It's so over for artists

anathemaofmankind: That shit is funny as hell

st.sioux: no way they don't say anything about the ukraine shit

spicy.lemonade: like you can see faded spots of the previous sketch

spicy.lemonade: just like i specified

spicy.lemonade: addint authenticity

spicy.lemonade: like i was actively iterating and drawing

otub: why are you guys messing with them lol


spicy.lemonade: Top

okbut: Anything but work on GPT-5 istg

.wolfnacht: i missed the days when they called it orion, dolphin, wizard etc

spicy.lemonade: They still do that

spicy.lemonade: 4.1 is called quasar

spicy.lemonade: And Optimus

darkstar0818: We live in a self propagating/perpetuating vibe factory.

.wolfnacht: 4.1 could be optimus alpha and open source(this one's wishful thinking)

spicy.lemonade: I hope it’s open source

spicy.lemonade: Just means what they have is better lol

fractalcomputer: Apparently because these are the only meaningful news and developments related to the singularity.

spicy.lemonade: This is

spicy.lemonade: Genuinely

fractalcomputer: Wow, genuinely? For real bro?

spicy.lemonade: Most singularity news before AI was slop. Never left lab. False promises

okbut: I'm hoping 4.1 is just 4o with huge new multimodal cap

spicy.lemonade: No real world impact

spicy.lemonade: Slow

spacetimetsunami: Self portrait of GPT next to aliens

spacetimetsunami: Haha

fractalcomputer: Before AI?

spicy.lemonade: Remember graphite

spicy.lemonade: Or photonic computing

.wolfnacht: if they open source 4.1 cuckerberg would get another panic mode...

spicy.lemonade: Before ai boom

.wolfnacht: they might need start working from scratch for L5

fractalcomputer: I didn't know the subreddit is at least a few decades old.

darkstar0818: I feel like you just discounted your entire lifetime of news I received.

spicy.lemonade: What

spicy.lemonade: I’m very clearly talking about 2022 ai boom

spicy.lemonade: Why are you being like this

.wolfnacht: subreddit started around what ? 2011, no ?

fractalcomputer: Because your statement is completely ridiculous. The majority of progress in "artificial intelligence" was made a decade or so ago; precisely before this little boom of ours.

spicy.lemonade: lol. But you have to agree

spicy.lemonade: It was slow

spicy.lemonade: But based on the context of this convo

fractalcomputer: 2007 or 2008.

spicy.lemonade: Everyone knows I’m talking about 2022

.wolfnacht: it's even olderrrr

spicy.lemonade: Why would I talk about ai development decades ago


spicy.lemonade: not weird structure

sarik0497: OpenAI started out as a non-profit, open-source company whose values was set on that path. Suddenly changing it like it has could be grounds enough for a lawsuit if people feel like they've been led astray.

zonchao: its about the transition

zonchao: this lawsuit is actually about trans issues 🤔

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: lol

st.sioux: is that minecraft?

spicy.lemonade: yes

spicy.lemonade: mc bench

zonchao: wow

zonchao: logan finally winning

spicy.lemonade: nah gpt 4.1 has highest elo

gamerbath: anyone here?

gamerbath: oh

gamerbath: this chat isn't dead

gamerbath: I just forgot to scroll down 💀

zonchao: <a:coomer:882450576288395316>

literallyvarane: Lolol I know it’s not super likely it’s probably a <1% outcome. But we can dream.

okbut: Is this #499 or 500

zonchao: this is #1 of v3

zonchao: jk

zonchao: idk the #

zonchao: but its the first one

zonchao: we have seen

zonchao: first rvac v3

okbut: What? Is this patreon exclusive or something

ldj: Well tbh they’re still legally bound by the same values/mission as the non-profit

But Ilya made it clear at the start of OpenAI that they probably would eventually stop open sourcing things when capabilities get strong enough

zonchao: no live on nsf

zonchao: https://fixupx.com/Hugh__Mann/status/1915074987850916019

ailoveyoom: https://openai.com/index/image-generation-api/

gamerbath: YOOO NO WAY

gamerbath: ALREADY!!??!

gamerbath: > this translates to roughly $0.02, $0.07, and $0.19 per generated image for low, medium, and high-quality square images, respectively.

gamerbath: damn that's not bad at all

gamerbath: hell yeah

literallyvarane:

zonchao: the internet is going to be 80% ghibli in a week

literallyvarane: I was literally screenshotting that lolol

hikukomoru: slopification of the internet (even more)

st.sioux: get ready for soccer moms to spend $100 a week on ghibli wrappers


hey1_1hey: Holy shit that looks like my welsh teacher

harryisgamer: no sama!

gamerbath: no sama, but let's see

spicy.lemonade: hold!

gamerbath: o?

literallyvarane: Sam isn’t here pack it up

hey1_1hey: Just for devlopers

hikukomoru: hahahaaaaa

spicy.lemonade: hold

hey1_1hey: better than gpt 4o

hey1_1hey: hmm

gamerbath: long context!?

hey1_1hey: 1m context

spicy.lemonade: 1 mil context

hey1_1hey: Huge

gamerbath: yay

hey1_1hey: Pricing stuff

hey1_1hey: ooo

hey1_1hey: Was intentiol 😭

hikukomoru: Terrible naming

hey1_1hey: Bruh

hey1_1hey: Quasar

harryisgamer: "quasar"

gamerbath: yea so this is quasar

hey1_1hey: Messed up

harryisgamer: that was intentional

hey1_1hey:

shirethedreamer: started

hey1_1hey: Almost certaintly

spicy.lemonade: 4.1mini almost equal to 4o

literallyvarane: Imma need pricing, but also deeply curious what they aren’t just replacing 4o wholesale. Clearly there’s a reason.

spicy.lemonade: wtf

harryisgamer: oh nice

harryisgamer: 55%

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: YOOOO

spicy.lemonade: base model

hey1_1hey: N/A nano 😭

777agical: This is for API only??

shirethedreamer: 4.1 better on swe-bench than o3-mini high


futurist_wizard: I've had enough of your 'no's' mr alejandro, when will it be 'yes'

futurist_wizard: I also only partly agree

futurist_wizard: Even atheistic people are scared like bitches over ai

futurist_wizard: In the west

himekokatagiri: they're coping

alejandrozarzuelo: ok so one thing i tend to do

no for me has two meanings, to disagree sure but also as an interjection when i have something to add to the conversation even if i mostly agree

ailoveyoom: Something something human exceptionalism

himekokatagiri: but yeah I figure the DoD is all in on AI

ailoveyoom: The one true religion lol

himekokatagiri: weapons grade

himekokatagiri: who solves AI wins the war

himekokatagiri: etc etc

alejandrozarzuelo: Thats why i said it is not about religion itself but the values that religion has embued on our culture, in particular abrahamic religions

futurist_wizard: I understand

alejandrozarzuelo: in fact the complete interjection in spanish is:

no, si...

which is both no and yes

ailoveyoom: Since you have your own complicated setup, do you have any longstanding rps?

ailoveyoom: It's too much effort for me ngl

ailoveyoom: I can just prompt the characters into existence

futurist_wizard: I think it is also the west's cultural distrust of governments and institutions that effects relations with AI, you can see a lot of it when people discuss what the governments will use with AI, or even class imbalances, which I don't think are irrational, i think to a large degree the western sentiment towards ai has valid concerns

.wolfnacht: from this week, i have one with around #684 messages, it's still a mix first 200 were gemini, later it got gpt 4.1 and then later i'm on deepchink.

best way is to still summarize the past chats and hide them. After 100 messages tie the summary to a lorebook.

.wolfnacht: for character creation i just use grok with my character creation prompt, it's pretty direct and straight forward

ailoveyoom: Is there like a story, or are you just messing around and building up a relationship ig with the char the model is doing?

ailoveyoom: No I mean like, I have my own prompts for made original characters already.

ailoveyoom: The characters exist, the prompts are just there to tell the AI

.wolfnacht: this one is just my catgirl wife card which is tied to track my daily stuff via ST scripts and macros and Also, listens to my daily schizo rants.

zoermena: What I use with my friends is “ósea si pero”

.wolfnacht: ah i see, i do...i did that with gemini gems, just paste the character card into custom gem and it's great for RP'ing in mobile but character would know your name and details

alejandrozarzuelo: different uses

alejandrozarzuelo: in any case, the way I use no as an interjction is stretching it even for spanish, its a bad habit of mine

zoermena: Another q, what makes Asian culture more open to innovations as you mentioned above in contrast to abrahamic beliefs

futurist_wizard: Their media isn't very antagonistic against ai

futurist_wizard: Its actually very positive towards technology in general

.wolfnacht: <@430269783112548362> my largest RP was this one back in december (the times of L3.3 finetunes) when i was just doing RP and nothing else. i liked the idea of this card off chub, so i rewrote the whole card made it with whole bigass lore and created upon that...i still have to continue the story, someday. Also it's lorebook is around 300 entries also a separate one with 300 entries for summaries.

hikukomoru: I'm currently at 100 messages with a dog-girl

hikukomoru: And I'm a catgirl

alejandrozarzuelo: i think that it is the idea of human exceptionalism, playing with god and the idea that work dignifies someone and it is one of the paths to salvation in all abrahamic cultures, also the idea that we are individualist societies since god will judge every soul separatedly

meanwhile in east asia, humans were never seen as anything special in the religious landscape but one among many, going against nature and heavens desires is even encouraged, work is the punishment we need to endure to get a better life and not something to be valued onto its own since there is no heaven, and they are much more collectivist so if AI unemploys people, but makes the economy and society advance it is cherished

alejandrozarzuelo: This is also why AI opinion is similar in muslim arab societies, africa and the west, despite having little in common besides religious moral ideals

hikukomoru: You use Grok to make your cards?
I just use my own template

hikukomoru: Or sometimes steal stuff from cards I really like

.wolfnacht: i just give grok the character card template and guide it from there for what to write and work upon that afterwards once it's acc to my liking.