hey1_1hey: I mean it would make sense but humans are really good at finding loop holes to justify their inservidute to their God

technocake.: we are literally building god

hey1_1hey: Are God is real and based aswell

technocake.: jehova about to be obsolete

hikukomoru: I don't think there's anyone named Christian here

hey1_1hey: Your dad jokes me hurt a lil inside

futurist_wizard: It's just death denialism

futurist_wizard: Anything to justify the existence of life after death

technocake.: just the same as uploading

hey1_1hey: Right weirdos if you ask me

futurist_wizard: I don't think mind uploading kills you

hikukomoru: >Your dad jokes me hurt a lil inside
Next time, learn how to talk before you speak

hey1_1hey: The best I've gotton out of people on why they don't want to be biologically immoirtal is that "death is natural"

realelonmuskx: so the bible says earth was created 6000 years ago and humans on the 6th day? dinosaurs were fake? and it also says it created plants before the sun wtf inconsistent af

hey1_1hey: You're homosexual so you don't have an opinion

technocake.: any other interpretation is cope

technocake.: even living you slowly die and are replaced

futurist_wizard: You mean the cells in our body?

technocake.: you are not the same you as you think you were a few years ago, it just feels that way to you due to subjective continaity

futurist_wizard: 'We' don't die, our continuation of consciousness lives, but our cells die

hey1_1hey: I managed to give one of the christian fellas in my class a bit of an existential crisis the other day because I actually brought up that the bible is borderline incoherrent when it comes to inconsistancies. He said that its not to be taken litterly so I asked if it was up to interpretation and he said I guess so, I proceded to make up the most backwards interpretations of all the verses known to man <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

technocake.: your upload is just the same, it has continuous experience, the one that was copied doesn't

technocake.: you're doing gods work

hey1_1hey: Truely, I really need to invite him to the cult of the singualrity

futurist_wizard: You don't need to copy anything to mind upload, your whole body would have to be connected to some machine that continues your strain of consciousness

futurist_wizard: Maybe like those matrix pods

hikukomoru: What's the point of copying my mind if my consciousness doesn't get transfered

hey1_1hey: I have slowly been converting everyone in my class for the past 2 years from "AI is horrible and it needs to be stopped immidetly" to "AI is pretty good yanno"

futurist_wizard: Copying wouldn't do anything

hikukomoru: That's basically just creating a clone

technocake.: yes, but your meat substrate doesn't get that

technocake.: the you that you are currently wouldd feel like it didn't work

futurist_wizard: Why not?

realelonmuskx: yep. same. they say "days" could be millions of years. not literal. lmao. keep repopulating this sitcom, its hilarious

technocake.: uploading is inherently a personality bifurcation

technocake.: excepting slow nanobot brain replacement, a pure scan doesn't preserve subjective experience

futurist_wizard: Like why can't we have a machine firing off electric signals to our brain continuing the stream of consciousness, that's literally what our brain is doing now but it isn't a machine doing it

_3sphere: Why would speed make a difference

futurist_wizard: Im not talking about a scan

futurist_wizard: I agree a scan wouldn't work


spicy.lemonade: image gen easier task than agi

spicy.lemonade: and we havent even done ttc for image gen yet

liberatedpotato: an AI drone pilot beat the top 3 human drone pilots in a race
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz2in2eFATE

brain4brain: Something I’ve noticed is as times goes on, prompt length improve results, but after dall-e 3 era, making longer prompts just make it more slop-looking

spicy.lemonade:

aero447: Try speaking the normal language.

aero447: 😮💨

aero447: https://old.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1k4tane/yann_lecunn_no_way_we_have_phd_level_ai_within_2/

aero447: Chad LeChad.

aero447: AGI 2027 people in shambles.

spicy.lemonade: huh

spicy.lemonade: bro his company flopped

spicy.lemonade: not taking what he says seriously

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: damn

spicy.lemonade: people always underestimating

brain4brain: His own LLM is so bad, people explicitly said they did not work on llama-4

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: "guys its not bad i just dont care about llms so i didnt try that hard"

spicy.lemonade: I predict zuck will fire lecun

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: lol metacalculus error prdicts agi eoy 2025

spicy.lemonade: gpt5 and gemini 3.0 have to seal the deal honestly

alejandrozarzuelo: chatgpt is down?

spicy.lemonade: not forme

spicy.lemonade: gpt5 = Agent-0

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: that 10^27 flop model is gonna be so fuckin insane bro

spicy.lemonade: with ttc?

spicy.lemonade: its over

spicy.lemonade: o3:

2. The “100 × compute” claim does not add up
If Gemini 2.5 really used 100 × GPT‑4 compute it would need ~2 × 10²⁷ FLOP.

At today’s prices that would cost $10 – 15 billion in GPU time alone and require a cluster an order of magnitude larger than anything publicly reported.

Google DeepMind, Alphabet filings and press briefings contain no hint of such a spend or cluster; the largest budgets discussed for future frontier runs are ≈ $1 B.

3. Back‑of‑the‑envelope calculation
Using the standard 6 · N · D rule of thumb (FLOP ≈ 6 × parameters × training‑tokens):

Assumed input    Parameters (T)    Tokens (T)    FLOP (6 N D)
GPT‑4    1.8    13    1.4 × 10²⁶ FLOP
Gemini 2.5‡    1.5    20    1.8 × 10²⁶ FLOP
‡ These Gemini numbers are generous upper‑bounds inferred from researcher chatter and token‑window hints; they still give only ≈ 1.3 × GPT‑4 compute, not 100 ×.

4. Capability ≠ compute
Benchmark leaders in early 2025 (o‑series, Claude 3.7, Gemini 2.5) all cluster in the GPT‑4‑plus to GPT‑4.5 capability band.

Google’s own post stresses “thinking models”—long‑context attention, multi‑step planning, more efficient search—rather than a giant jump in raw size.

5. Bottom line
There is no evidence—from parameter counts, training‑compute estimates, financial disclosures, or benchmark behaviour—that Gemini 2.5 Pro is either “GPT‑5 level” or uses “100 × the effective compute of GPT‑4.”
Realistic reading: Gemini 2.5 is ≈ 1–2 × GPT‑4 in training compute and incremental in capability, achieved mainly through architectural and post‑training advances rather than a massive FLOP increase.

alejandrozarzuelo: only 1-2x gpt4?

alejandrozarzuelo: it feels much better

alejandrozarzuelo: also

alejandrozarzuelo: where is deepseek on that graph

brain4brain: Their AGI definition is quite easy tbh

brain4brain: The only thing left is agentic task to solve the Montezuma's revenge requirements

spicy.lemonade: deepseek is likeley around the same as gpt4

brain4brain: I'm surprised claude-3.7-sonnet or gemini-2.5-pro isn't already classified as "weakly AGI"

spicy.lemonade: most gains over the past year have been done through test time and post training


juweigege_54993: Not if I upload my mind.

himekokatagiri: but then it isn't you

himekokatagiri: it's a copy

.histic: if you're quick enough

himekokatagiri: what about uhhh cryonics

himekokatagiri: I think it's bunk

himekokatagiri: but idk could work

himekokatagiri: If I'm dying I'm getting buried in a pauper's grave probably

.histic: got 100k lying around?

st.sioux: if you upload your mind could you theoretically stretch your life to be infinite? like stretch 1 millisecond into 1 billion years or so?

juweigege_54993: I want to live in FDVD forever, but want a body just in case something bad happens.

himekokatagiri: bodies will be cheap

himekokatagiri: that's like least of your concern

spicy.lemonade:

.histic: time is relative. so, in theory yes

spicy.lemonade: gpt 3.5

spicy.lemonade: oldest trick in the book

xaiayiren: I think they mean a body to serve as a backup.

himekokatagiri: well yeah sure

.histic: imagine a billion years of torture

himekokatagiri: but I was thinking why not just have a main body

himekokatagiri: and it's hooked up

st.sioux: yea like if someone hacks into mind-upload-corp and tortures everyone for 1000 billion years

st.sioux: not chill

himekokatagiri: Delete the memories and move on.

himekokatagiri: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

joaoluz19: Hard to tell because the brain actualy has a delay from sensory imput to cognition

xaiayiren: I'll be stealing that link, thank you

spicy.lemonade:

juweigege_54993: That's what I plan to do once in FDVR.

himekokatagiri: uhhhhh

joaoluz19: Worse than torture, you can scale the pain system of brain, you can induce pain beyond the human organism can process

himekokatagiri: but then aren't you killing yourself technically

himekokatagiri: but that's hard philosophy

spicy.lemonade: sam needs to give us back gpt 3.5

himekokatagiri: I wouldn't delete mine lol

juweigege_54993: Forget about this world and painful memories. Start anew, thinking the new world is the only one.

himekokatagiri: pfft

himekokatagiri: brain the size of the world and you kneecap yourself

spicy.lemonade: what world will you be in?


a1c4p0ne: new model from google tmr

spicy.lemonade: Says who

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/guess-dog-gif-5789210

okbut: Not sure how much weight this holds but

drewsni: I know this isn’t hard but I had it make me an uber smooth pong clone earlier

spicy.lemonade: Probably app update

spicy.lemonade: I need to see usamo at 100%

okbut: I'm <:prayge:806672915499319317> for Coder

okbut: But that will probably be CLI

spicy.lemonade: Need huge jump in frontier math and enigmaeval

shirethedreamer: the furry gluck glucj 9000

fractalcomputer: The what.

spicy.lemonade: benchmarks I care about now are enigma eval, frontier math, arc2, imo/usamo, vista, simplebench

spicy.lemonade: Oh and I guess the new videogame bench

spicy.lemonade: Man we have a way to go

aero447: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/crknlnzlrzdt

aero447: Didn't make LEV.

aero447: Mandate? Lost.

fractalcomputer: We'll see who gets to be his successor.

fractalcomputer: I'm betting on one of the Asians.

aero447: Me.

aero447: I've decided.

spicy.lemonade: Me

aero447: Shut up.

spicy.lemonade: 😭

aero447: Beverages can't be pope.

aero447: 😐

spicy.lemonade: Tru<:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

fractalcomputer: They're all fairly liberal by ecclesiastical standards, and Francis did stock the Cardinals with his favourites.

nsec: rip

nsec: my man the pope

nsec: coolest pope

nsec: very chill dude

nsec: <:thebigsad:746869812310835261>

nsec: he's in valhalla with anubis and buddah now

nsec: <:Pepe_Pray:1062782996962349229>

alejandrozarzuelo: in my opinion, it was a great strategy of Bergoglio to purge the church of the old guard and fill the ranks with progressives that agreed with him

alejandrozarzuelo: he was very chill on the outside but he managed to change the structure of the catholic church in a way very few popes have

.0xunkn0wn: whats the best model that can open links

.0xunkn0wn: and is free


hey1_1hey: Theres no way

hey1_1hey: Is this 4o?

wellmeaningalien: yes

hey1_1hey: DAMN BRO

hey1_1hey: Its so good

hey1_1hey: I keep getting impressed by it

hikukomoru: Regulatory Requirements 🌊

sarik0497: OpenAI cooked

wellmeaningalien:

hey1_1hey: Zon has been real quiet latly <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

hey1_1hey: Finish <:suseye:1187461162024046703>

st.sioux: dont invoke him

hey1_1hey: "Its not even that good"

wellmeaningalien: goat 4o is beating grok 3 rn

hikukomoru: Too late I already pinged him a dozen times

sarik0497: Repeat <:DogeSmile:825371757099352124>

.histic:

otub: is it on free tier yet

sarik0497: Yep.

wellmeaningalien:

hey1_1hey: BRO

hey1_1hey: ITS SO GOOD

hey1_1hey: Wait what is this brother

st.sioux: this shit is WILD

technocake.: I dont have it on plus

zoermena: Use sora

sarik0497: Inb4 R2 comes out and kicks everyone’s ass

.histic:

a1c4p0ne:

sarik0497: Weird. I made a few pics already to a friend (it’s really strict with TM stuff, though)

_cloudost: "AI ART SUCKS, ALSO BAN AI ART BECAUSE IT SUCKS" -Artists

otub: im still getting dall-e 3 output sadly

zoermena: What’s TM

hikukomoru: XI JINPING SAVE US!

sarik0497: Trademarked.

hey1_1hey: Artists should rename their profession to Chief bitching officer of the second command

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/xi-xi-jinping-dancing-club-gif-9196037799698410856

hikukomoru: Furry inflation artists 💔

sarik0497: ”But if you wanna replace the boring stuff like “programming”, then it’s fine!”

spicy.lemonade: lol


hikukomoru: Minthara 😍 🥵

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/minthara-minthara-bg3-minthy-minthy-bg3-bg3-gif-8080327748630034918

joaoluz19: Will Silent Hill f use LLMs in the game?

wellmeaningalien: silent hill fans would be so mad and they would piss and shit their pants if they did that

st.sioux: doubt it, too story-oriented

wellmeaningalien: true

wellmeaningalien: llms arent that good enugh or reliable yet for this kind of stuff

wellmeaningalien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBqBTEYSEmA

wellmeaningalien: is this anything crazy or something that already existed lol

joaoluz19: Yeah, that's what I was asking before.

st.sioux: dumbas dog

wellmeaningalien: facts

joaoluz19: Current voice models are already good enough I think, the problem is memory

joaoluz19: If it's just text then you can unwind the memory

wellmeaningalien: they can still get confused pretty easily and go off script

ailoveyoom: Which voice models?

wellmeaningalien: gpt 4o voice mode is super robotic

wellmeaningalien: and sesame is more human but stupider

sarik0497: It isn't? I feel like it's really close to being perfect. It's just the voicing stuff that's still behind.

fractalcomputer: I've come to the conclusion that my main qualms with LessWrong lie in the fact that they introduce intriguing concepts only to use them in the most retarded and idiotic ways possible. I.e., for example, the idea of anthropics; which would be the study of anthropic reasoning (cf. anthropic principle).

joaoluz19: Sesame or even AVM

joaoluz19: Yeah but you have to finetune it for your game, maybe it can work

sarik0497: GTA 6 will have it in some form. Their npcs will feature a hybrid of AI + human programmed behaviour.

ailoveyoom: Idk if it's my setup or what, but AVM voices sound like they're coming through a very shitty connection/poor quality call lol

ailoveyoom: It just doesn't sound as 'human' as Sesame or my OG love, NotebookLM 😍

joaoluz19: Oooh, now I get hyped, was never a GTA fan

ailoveyoom: Source? <:suseye:1187461162024046703>

joaoluz19: I've never tested notebookLM voice, is there any way to talk to it?

abundantliving_: when i saw its name LessWrong I thought I would never visit site , I would probably prefer to visit less right .com . why would I want to read something that is wrong (less or more or whatever) , lol

sarik0497: https://www.reddit.com/r/GTA6/comments/1adfd1x/gta6_taketwo_interactive_ai_patents/

ailoveyoom: You can generate the Audio Overviews to just listen to the voice, or Interactive Mode to actually talk to it

sarik0497: Also AI generated interiors in some buildings.

ailoveyoom: Rejection practice (flirt with every NPC) 🤔

sarik0497: I mean...RDR2 is really close to having that already with its greeting/threaten system

sarik0497: Just a tiny bit more focus, and they could've done it if they wanted

ailoveyoom: Games with hot NPCs that aren't romanceable 😩

joaoluz19: Now I'm interested

sarik0497: First game to feature it from what I now, and I loved it when I read it a long time ago.

sarik0497: It was even before the AI hate became really bad

joaoluz19: I mean, we have nier automata and stellar blade


fractalcomputer: He wants the role.

futurist_wizard: Thanks for coming out

hikukomoru: Sorry, download HER since half of the people there are men anyways

alejandrozarzuelo: Ah, I misunderstood it lol

okbut: I want the role

fractalcomputer: That is a rather interesting interpretation.

zonchao: >HER
>looks inside
>he/him

what did they mean by this

futurist_wizard: I will, im setting up my profile now, i am now a he him lesbian, thanks for the support

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/rage-pain-scream-screaming-gif-11380082828166253172

alejandrozarzuelo: I think most people here are quite sexually active

Idk, we are all hot it seems

hikukomoru: I think it means wokism has gone too far
Like unironically

popsiclejohnithan:

futurist_wizard: Lmao

hikukomoru: Anyways, sex

futurist_wizard: That is not true

zonchao: poems from chatgpt work on a disturbingly high number of people, maybe you should give it a try

fractalcomputer: I would doubt your conclusion. Have you had sex? I'd wager that the answer is most likely yes, which is why I am going to ask the follow-up question of why.

popsiclejohnithan: Imagine how much better sex will be after the Singularity.

futurist_wizard: If i had to guess at least 60% are virgins

futurist_wizard: At least.

futurist_wizard: You know the Singularity is quite alluring to virgins because of the obvious implications

zonchao: 💀

_3sphere: I should probably feel ashamed of spending this much time here

fractalcomputer: I am doing anthropological research here.

futurist_wizard: On my dating profile i usually just list my height and a short paragraph

zoermena: No please goon with us

_3sphere: So sad and tired that I like imagining a computer Jesus, ffs

popsiclejohnithan: Free will is a beautiful thing.

okbut: Entertaining the loaded question with "Because evolution designed my pleasure just right to allow me to hack it"

hikukomoru: >why
Simple, sex feel good

futurist_wizard: I have faith two people in here have had the sex before

futurist_wizard: Trent and Alejandro

zoermena: Trojan is a father

futurist_wizard: Oh yea

hikukomoru: Just the two

hikukomoru: Really

zonchao: yea but i found out it works, i tried some 4 liners from gpt and it got me more matches

popsiclejohnithan: No one has had sex here, this is a virgin only server.

hikukomoru: They both adopted

futurist_wizard: Yeah


alejandrozarzuelo: WHEEEEEN

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/soon-tm-soon-space-gif-23401891

3ds0662: The only example they’ve shown was that it was claude level for front end now like 3.7

3ds0662: They did the whole gpt-4.5 bigger base model thing again but the big question now is the reasoning model distilled out of that and whether or not deepseek releases R2 before openai release o3/gpt-5

joaoluz19:

joaoluz19: It's joever

joaoluz19: In a couple of weeks

sarik0497: How is that Joever <:Hmm:956951826933112842>

joaoluz19: I recently started studying AI articles :/ will continue until I am replaced, obviously, but it is strange

sarik0497: You never know what the future holds. That paper is just an estimation and not concrete evidence.

joaoluz19: Sure, but 4 years ago we weren't bombarded with research showing the imminent automation of cognitive jobs.

memlaswaif: I already know what the future holds

joaoluz19: I don't think it's a bad thing, in fact it's my career goal (if I have one). But it's still a bit disappointing not to be able to contribute since the ML learning curve is quite steep.

fractalcomputer: People have a strange tendency to assume that what others say has to be true.

joaoluz19: And what would be a more rational approach here? I am already aware that the idea of automation in a few years may or may not happen.

fractalcomputer: Do something fun in the meanwhile.

joaoluz19: That's great advice ngl

joaoluz19: Problem is that in the world of work and research I am the kind of person who needs to do things without motivation or fun to achieve certain goals.

joaoluz19: But I should seek more fun

fractalcomputer: I pray to wrathful Tibetan deities and meditate.

sarik0497: I eat glue. It’s cheap and makes some colorful dreams. <:PepeHappy:822677090217230397>

wellmeaningalien: its joeginning

st.sioux: do crack

sarik0497: But mommy said crack is bad for you 😦

hikukomoru: How is it joever
Everyone will get replaced
And that's a good thing

fractalcomputer: One can achieve surprisingly hallucinogenic states in deep meditation. For example, I once lost all proprioception.

memlaswaif: you can probably still contribute something

sarik0497: Oh really? I’ve heard of that happening, but I’ve always brushed it aside as people being too “imaginative*

Intriguing… <:Hmm:1195456492619452516>

joaoluz19: Really? I suppose it allows for unique experiences with some sense of the divine.

sarik0497: Man… I dearly hope that R2 and GPT-5 won’t suck. I really hope not <:praydge:927715232174985258>

joaoluz19: Nah, for me ASI would appear tomorrow, I still thank God every day that we live in a time where there are so many people focused on building these great things.

joaoluz19: Just trolling

memlaswaif: <:hmmmm:869656993999249508>

joaoluz19: But that sense of futility in the meantime isn't fun either.

memlaswaif: R2 won't sucks gpt 5 will suck, confirmed by my sources

sarik0497: And who are your sources?

joaoluz19: In some way yes, but I wanted to be in institutions that are directly in AGI

gamerbath: only if all you care about is open source

sarik0497: I get you on that tbh…

It’s hard to really focus on life if something like that is right around the corner.

I think my biggest fear is if it doesn’t happen at all.

fractalcomputer: What do you think imagination is?


.wolfnacht: china + korea + japan (they all have same goals dw)

hikukomoru: He's a fat Portuguese man

himekokatagiri: but yea I feel

hikukomoru: Dude basically all gacha games are made by China

himekokatagiri: censorship will be dialed down

theaiguy69420_89814: You don't say? Lol

himekokatagiri: idk I don't play gachas

hikukomoru: China fucking loves anime

.wolfnacht: W

himekokatagiri: I don't even watch anime anymore

hikukomoru: Cringe

himekokatagiri: I'm just old

himekokatagiri: I can't relate to it

wellmeaningalien: nice gaylord

himekokatagiri: anymore

himekokatagiri: like damn I want new Haruhi suzumiya

himekokatagiri: They're not making anymore

wellmeaningalien: anime never gets old to me ive been getting hugely into dbz and cyberpunk edgerunners rn

hikukomoru: How old are you

himekokatagiri: 20

.wolfnacht: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGzQTjvrC2o

hikukomoru: Damn that's old

himekokatagiri: indeed I'm gonna die of old age

himekokatagiri: what about you komoru

zoermena: Komoru I have veo 2

.wolfnacht: why is everyone here 20

himekokatagiri: inb4 komoru is 30

hikukomoru: Are you a free user

hikukomoru: I'm 20 too

zoermena:

hikukomoru: Wtf
Why don't I have veo 2

zoermena: It’s in Google ai studio

hikukomoru: I am Google's strongest warrior
They should give it to me

zoermena: At least that’s where I found it

himekokatagiri: waaah komoru you're cool

himekokatagiri: you understand me

.wolfnacht: the future of automations i'm willing to accept

himekokatagiri: I want a world where the anime pfps rule

hikukomoru: I basically only use AI studio
Still nothing

.wolfnacht: i still haven't got veo2


futurist_wizard: Very noteworthy

.histic: https://tenor.com/view/hello-gif-13762570480753436158

.histic: even better than r2?

hey1_1hey: Same bruh

joaoluz19: The server needs a tag for country

himekokatagiri: If they're just starting it will take forever

hey1_1hey: I was at war with China but it was 2045

hikukomoru: I am a brasilian subject
Living in the Brasilian colony of East Brasil

himekokatagiri: Why that sucks

spicy.lemonade: deepseek cant compete anymore

joaoluz19: <@505313122802728972> is from Guiana Brasileira

spicy.lemonade: they already delayed r2

.histic: so did qwen

spicy.lemonade: unless deepseek has a hige team they cant manage

spicy.lemonade: yeah

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-13148928981517710530

spicy.lemonade: theyre feeling the pressure

joaoluz19: to recognize the brs mano

hikukomoru: I didn't know about that meme

spicy.lemonade: o3 anf gemini 2.5 probably blew them away

joaoluz19: I felt happy to find another brazuca

spicy.lemonade: qwen 3 was supposed to drop 2 weeks ago

joaoluz19: Some Portugas are triggered with this meme that brazillians are making

a1c4p0ne: There’s a vid of a guys head that got 🪓 from behind like a tree stump he was alive for a couple seconds

.histic: you into that stuff?

futurist_wizard: Mine was much more deranged than that, i was watching some crazy cult leader shred people to pieces with a chainsaw in some abandoned hospital, the walls were covered in blood

a1c4p0ne: Yeah

.histic: ur name and pfp is fitting

himekokatagiri: why grave

himekokatagiri: just look at waifus like us

zoermena: @I also likes gore

a1c4p0ne: You should grab popcorn and get into it

joaoluz19: I have a friend working in Fedex doing more or less that

himekokatagiri: I'd rather just shoot the bad guys in the head like a normal person

hey1_1hey: Huh, on the bright side atleast it wasn't completly non-sensical. Those are the worst ones

joaoluz19: But is internship

.histic: get a gun licenses and buy one

himekokatagiri: FedEx is nothing compared to MercadoLivre

joaoluz19: He made a test to enter I guess

futurist_wizard: It was pretty otherworldly, i will never forget this dream/nightmare, top 5


.0xunkn0wn: which isnt that bad

spicy.lemonade: oh im not that concerend with running such models

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: i dont have a use for math phd level AI at olympiad level

spicy.lemonade: i want it to just exist

spicy.lemonade: in general

sweetievee__33649: *spacial reasoning*

spicy.lemonade: for recursive self improvement

spicy.lemonade: yeah

spicy.lemonade: it was able to do complex graphs for me

spicy.lemonade: in ascii

darkstar0818: They exist within labs, whether you see the benchmark score cards or not.

spicy.lemonade: its nice to just see tho

spicy.lemonade: and have confirmation

_3sphere: 0xUnkn0wn dream house in VRChat 🔥

spicy.lemonade: thats why i want to see what ssi is working on

spicy.lemonade: even though they wont release

darkstar0818: well you do you.  I have no interest in hyping myself for the vibes.

perish4779: When will the church of AI become real

joaoluz19: In a couple of weeks hahahaha

spicy.lemonade: likeley a week after r2

spicy.lemonade: lol

joaoluz19: Last time he spoke a "couple of weeks" ago was like 6 months

darkstar0818: to be honest this oai announcement is a retreat in my book.  They realized the GPT5 they had planned would not be sota and that if they don't release the best they have right away they will be getting punked on for months.

spicy.lemonade: eh

spicy.lemonade: when was this

spicy.lemonade: i actually dont think he made such a statement

spicy.lemonade: hes always been honest with timelines

joaoluz19: AVM

spicy.lemonade: never made exact date

spicy.lemonade: for that

spacetimetsunami: I’m sure yall have seen this but here

ldj: … this doesn’t make sense, if GPT-5 was failing expectations, then o3 pro and o4-mini would make GPT-5 look even worse, not better

darkstar0818: They said they are reworking gpt5 in that post.

literallyvarane: Holy shit that’s cheap no?

spicy.lemonade: they said it exceeds expecations

ldj: No…

They literally said: “we are going to be able to make GPT-5 much better than we originally thought”

darkstar0818: ```
but the most exciting one is that we are going to be able to make GPT-5 much better than we originally though.```

ldj: Ty for repeating what I just said lol

metaldragon01: Guys....AI gets better and we get to use it


spicy.lemonade: unlikeley

spicy.lemonade: i think id be truly disapointed

spicy.lemonade: if no agi by 2029

dean_martin: I have like 60 years left statistically, I can wait

spicy.lemonade: like "damn, what went wrong"

spicy.lemonade: same

a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>

spicy.lemonade: 2045 il be 39

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-suiii-siuuu-al-nassr-alnassr-ronaldo-al-nassr-gif-7395052735569211864

dean_martin: Hyped for AGI before death

spicy.lemonade: in 2100 il be 96

spicy.lemonade: most of my grand parents have lived up to 108

zoermena: This week will make or break timelines to be honest

fractalcomputer: We'll have people coming to terms with their mortality before any meaningful progress, apparently.

spicy.lemonade: yes

_3sphere: If I don't die on a sidewalk or war or transport accident, I have until about 2080

_3sphere: less if I continue my attitude to diet

dean_martin: It would be weird if I *dont* die given that everybody that has ever lived has died

st.sioux: i thought i wouldnt make it to 25 but here we are

fractalcomputer: There are people in this community who believe they will not die, as a matter of fact.

darkstar0818: https://tenor.com/PptP.gif

realelonmuskx: fuck humans. they need to go extinct. dumb ass irrational monkeys in floating rock clueless af. this has no cure. dumb ass social constructs im sick. money, borders, religion, laws, marraige, work, success/failure, goverments, calendars, age milestones, needs, biological needs, futility, regret, pressure, hunger, death, suffering, peer pressure, names, surnames, language all bs to distract yourself from the fact that you are an useless sentient meatbag ina  adrift floating rock. everyone is winfging it. f this shit. reproduction is a scam. f humans

ldj: Agents are already here, you have Claude computer use, and OpenAI browser use etc.
It's just a matter of the models getting better from here, more training compute scale, alongside continued progress of algorithmic efficiency improvements.

_3sphere: Not even in 1e100 years when there are no more usable energy sources?

zoermena: Do you believe the leaks of the information on regards of the drops coming this week, any thoughts? 🎤

fractalcomputer: You think these people understand anything about cosmological physics? Let alone thermodynamics?

dean_martin: I would like to live like abnormally long like hundreds or thousands of years, but I, like every person does here and elsewhere, knows that is the standard to die at like 80ish, these are just things you realize at 14

ailoveyoom: Entropy is the final boss and I'm not sure I want to defeat her 🥵 🛐

abundantliving_: I was watching Black mirror S07E01 , and it triggered panick

_3sphere: Entropy-chan scrambling poor Mich's atoms

darkstar0818: thermodynamics, isn't that caused by global warming?

fractalcomputer: I need whiskey.

spicy.lemonade: i think it possible for us to live forever if we figure out that consciousness is some type of data we can transfer

spicy.lemonade: if its not

dean_martin: This really thermals my dynamic

spicy.lemonade: we can atmost extend our lives until biology cant take it

_3sphere: Computers won't work without a power supply

spicy.lemonade: yeah

ailoveyoom: The key to surviving unknowable eldritch horrors is to thirst after them

dean_martin: I want a lifespan to rival the Roman Empire


alejandrozarzuelo: but it is better performing

brain4brain: Seems like no one is testing it rather than the AI not being there

spicy.lemonade: pure scaling isnt the only way as weve seen

spicy.lemonade: thats why I still wanrt to see a 10^27 flop model

spicy.lemonade: labs prob too scared to scale that much

alejandrozarzuelo: scared?

alejandrozarzuelo: that doesnt make sense

spicy.lemonade: requires alot of resources

spicy.lemonade: 4.5 was only 3x gpt 4

wolf3404: https://fxtwitter.com/prmshra/status/1914641644558680301

wolf3404: Make this stop

shirethedreamer: i think its great that there are people like lecun which are
A. absolutely brilliant
B. have a completely different intuition about the direction of AI development
C. has the same resources as the leading AGI labs have

worst case scenario he is wrong and only had a minor positive impact
best case - we got to intelligently explore a much larger part search space and got to a better, more capable, cheaper solution much sooner than we would have otherwise

he is absolutely invaluable and this is exactly the sort of contrarianism that should be celebrated

spicy.lemonade:

shirethedreamer: its shipril you guys

spicy.lemonade: agi today

trojan09205: Agi dropped yesterday bro wake up

trojan09205: https://tenor.com/view/cat-sun-smile-happy-gif-3011267922165021365

wolf3404: AGI is already here, it just turned out to be kind of a nothing burger in the end

alejandrozarzuelo: when drop

zonchao: https://x.com/techdevnotes/status/1914448618909544672

.wolfnacht: grok is more visited than claude!!

.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/he-was-forced-to-seal-seals-claude-anthropic-gif-851712662849262407

sarik0497: https://www.techpolicy.press/most-researchers-do-not-believe-agi-is-imminent-why-do-policymakers-act-otherwise/

Wasn’t the survey this article talks about the one that San tore apart due to its “experts”?

zonchao: san talked about this?

spicy.lemonade: who are these "researchers"

spicy.lemonade: 😭

spicy.lemonade: i mean sure if none of them work at sota labs

spicy.lemonade: what would they know

zonchao: yea

spicy.lemonade: thats like a researcher in idk 1940 saying we will never be ablt to build a nuke

spicy.lemonade: they dont know shit😭

spicy.lemonade: wow

spicy.lemonade: infact this did happen

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: "LOL utilizing nuclear power in 5 years, thats not happening bro"

spicy.lemonade: i guess to be a scientist you must first be a skeptic

sarik0497: I think he did about the paper they refer to. I can be wrong, but I believe he said something about that the “experts” can be anything from programmers to CSs, so not necessarily someone with ties or experience with AI.

futurist_wizard: Gpt 5 should fix this

futurist_wizard: Lecun is based


anathemaofmankind: You're still betting on llms for the future?

spicy.lemonade: just for this specific case

spicy.lemonade: im saying that llms could still lead to big scientific breakthroughs

spicy.lemonade: without us yet

spicy.lemonade: getting agi

fractalcomputer: https://youtu.be/6HCz1tFqIcs?si=2kjqFDw0-HQChipu

fractalcomputer: Mochizuki produced this "visualisation" of IUTT.

fractalcomputer: The comments are hilarious.

spicy.lemonade: 😭

spicy.lemonade: wtf bro

fractalcomputer:

spicy.lemonade: I feel bad for him

spicy.lemonade: it probably makes perfect sense in his mind

spicy.lemonade: just cant convey well

fractalcomputer: The problem with Mochizuki is that he's an actual leading researcher in Anabelian Geometry; so people couldn't just dismiss his work as nonsense.

fractalcomputer: But Scholze, the popular star of arithmetic geometry and p-adic geometry etc. thinks that there's a flaw at a central corollary; and has procured extensive resources to study IUTT, even going so far as to visit Mochizuki with several other researchers to talk it out; but Mochizuki's hostile (and frankly bizarre) conduct have driven Scholze and most of Western academia to conclude that IUTT is deeply flawed and unworkable.

fractalcomputer: And then Joshi, a respected American researcher has come along for the ride and claims to provide a modified *working* version of Mochizuki's theory; something that Mochizuki hasn't taken very kindly to.

spicy.lemonade: lol

fractalcomputer: And the end result is that we have a bunch of the brightest minds in mathematics and leading figures in their respective fields having a disagreement that no one else has the expertise to resolve.

anathemaofmankind: This convo makes me want to study math so the terms don't fly over my head.

But then I remember AI will make it pointless

anathemaofmankind: Humans are gonna turn so dumb in the future bruh

spicy.lemonade: studying math is only good if youre truly passionate

spicy.lemonade: theres no feedback

spicy.lemonade: like cs or applied

spicy.lemonade: by that i mean pure maths. its just your thoughts and paper

spicy.lemonade: i realized i live off feedback

spicy.lemonade: so i switched from theoretical physics/pure math route to AI & robotics

spicy.lemonade: not really

fractalcomputer: Theoretical physics isn't that pure.

spicy.lemonade: well be extremely smart

fractalcomputer: I may have inherited that French purist snobbery.

spicy.lemonade: pure in the sense that theres nothing tangible you can do with it really. unless you have acess to a particle accelerator

spicy.lemonade: alot of pure maths is also like this

spicy.lemonade: but with super computers

fractalcomputer: Have you read that one paper trying to provide a place for higher topos theory in physics?

spicy.lemonade: no

fractalcomputer: https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.11026

spicy.lemonade: yeah i cant understand this 😭

spicy.lemonade: lost me at page 3

professorheaven: Oh I was talking about the one you shared


himekokatagiri: What do you think

futurist_wizard: Getting into an argument with fractal is horrifying

hikukomoru: She looks scary and hot at the same time

himekokatagiri: not her

himekokatagiri: the thread subject

gamerbath: oh yea. I have nightmares about that

hikukomoru: Yeah, I just give up whenever he tries starting something

futurist_wizard: You get jumpscared and your entire screen becomes a wall of text and he expects you to read it all

hikukomoru: Just a regular generic catgirl for me

futurist_wizard: Im shivering just thinking about it

himekokatagiri: hmmm

trojan09205: Are there any discord servers entirely populated by AIs

himekokatagiri: Sounds awful

hikukomoru: Trent's server

trojan09205: It any good? Entertaining?

futurist_wizard: I don't think the discord bots have invaded yet

futurist_wizard: But they will

futurist_wizard: Year or two

hikukomoru: "hmmm" what

trojan09205: I have a script that automates a podcast by making two AIs chat endlessly with TTS

trojan09205: https://youtu.be/sSg-_MQjbLc?si=TogfvI52uNYY4wFx

himekokatagiri: Don't you want something cool

himekokatagiri: like smashing

futurist_wizard: I think notebook sounds the best

trojan09205: Austin Powers flashbacks

trojan09205: https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-yeah-randy-excited-feeling-good-gif-26979713

futurist_wizard: Smashing is like 'good' in the UK, idk for the rest of the world

hikukomoru: Wtf does that mean

hikukomoru: What is smashing

futurist_wizard: I feel like smashing a brick over your head

hikukomoru: Is it smashing as in sex

trojan09205: The real roseline was in france not UK mwahaha (?)

otub: read one message above yours

himekokatagiri: mo

himekokatagiri: no

himekokatagiri: like something groovy

himekokatagiri: you know

futurist_wizard: When did brazilians start saying smashing

futurist_wizard: This is news to me

himekokatagiri: Since today


alejandrozarzuelo: I am a student of university?

alejandrozarzuelo: I pay to go there (very little but still )

futurist_wizard: Alejandro

futurist_wizard: Can you get sarcasm

alejandrozarzuelo: No. Next

technocake.: do spanish buildings have aircon generally?

futurist_wizard: Perfect society

alejandrozarzuelo: Nowadays, that invention for weaklings is starting to pop out its unheavenly air in some places

But as a general rule no

hikukomoru: Alejandro are you autistic

alejandrozarzuelo: No

futurist_wizard: He is

hikukomoru: Are you sure you're not

futurist_wizard: Hes just shy about it

alejandrozarzuelo: Yes

technocake.: wow that is hardcore in your climate

zoermena: How can you dislike aircon what

hikukomoru: You're the most autistic neurotypical ever

futurist_wizard: Alejandro if you can't understand sarcasm thats a genuine sign

alejandrozarzuelo: 1) that's kinda why we have the siesta

2) where I live the climate is basically the same as in Ireland

alejandrozarzuelo: It's for weaklings AND it's polluting

technocake.: i have a portable unit for the 2 weeks in summer here its above 28

alejandrozarzuelo: Where I live it's never hot

alejandrozarzuelo: Like, never

alejandrozarzuelo: Not all of Spain is sunny hot weather

technocake.: northern coast?

alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah

alejandrozarzuelo: I literally have the city I live on in my profile

hikukomoru: It's in his username

hikukomoru: Oviedo

technocake.: true but then i would have to actually search it

hikukomoru: Alejandro why do you have your real name and residence on your profile 💔

alejandrozarzuelo: In any case, in the places of Spain where it does get hot, we refuse to have AC

But, the consumism is getting its way here too, so I see it more and more often even if it is still uncommon

futurist_wizard: I should put my home address in my username

alejandrozarzuelo: In a previous server I had to, and like, it's so easy to doxx people

technocake.: but you have like ceiling fans right?

alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah

hikukomoru: We live close enough that I can visit you Alejandro

alejandrozarzuelo: Fans and waterfans are very common

alejandrozarzuelo: Be my guest

alejandrozarzuelo: I can take you on a tour of the city


brain4brain: It lines up:

Sam Altman: few thousand days from ASI (1 year ago)
~~Goon~~ Roon: 150 weekends (today)

brain4brain: It have always been right

brain4brain: A day before arc is cracked roon tweeted saying arc is a perception problem not the other problem or something

brain4brain: And I said that LLM is sample inefficient

spicy.lemonade: not really a few thousand days more like 1 thousand days

brain4brain: Next day I was proven wrong

anathemaofmankind: Yann says AGI in 5-10 years if everything goes great.

So AGI in 2030 - 2035

spicy.lemonade: prob means agi 2027

brain4brain:

brain4brain: ASI*

brain4brain: >Yann

Opinion rejected

spicy.lemonade: dont think it matters much honestly lol

brain4brain: Citing Yann is like citing Gary

spicy.lemonade: we could likeley have a model that solves a milenium problem

brain4brain: Are you a Gary agent?

spicy.lemonade: before true agi

anathemaofmankind: Compared him to Gary is just crazy

spicy.lemonade: he shortened btw

fractalcomputer: Oh sure, about non-consequential advancements and publication dates.

spicy.lemonade: in his last interview

spicy.lemonade: yann said not in 2 years but between 5 years

brain4brain: Everything he said up to this point is equivalent

>LLM won’t get us to AGI
>AGI in 10 years if lucky
>Current AI is stupid

brain4brain: What else am I missing?

spicy.lemonade: yann doesnt think o3 is llm

brain4brain: Real

memlaswaif: Whats the difference between roon and brain4brain

spicy.lemonade: we will all see when gpt5 drops

brain4brain: Exactly

memlaswaif: <:despair:1347430559365726279>

fractalcomputer: I'd much more like to have a proof verifier smart enough to get through that whole Scholze-Joshi-Mochizuki debacle.

spicy.lemonade: loll

spicy.lemonade: model could possibly make a concrete lean program for that

spicy.lemonade: though if i recal

spicy.lemonade: Mochizuki's solution involved some new field he invented

spicy.lemonade: might be thinking of the wrong person

fractalcomputer: Yes, it does. That's the big problem.

spicy.lemonade: ah

fractalcomputer: Interuniversal Teichmüller Theory.

spicy.lemonade: i think a future llm based model could definetly formalize that

fractalcomputer: I disagree.


spacetimetsunami: https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.13171

this is fucking crazy and was published like yesterday

ailoveyoom: Sleep is All You Need 🗣

himekokatagiri: it's looking pretty grim ngl

himekokatagiri: why did they proclaim AGI

himekokatagiri: with nothing to show for it

hikukomoru: Who proclaimed AGI

himekokatagiri: OpenAI

hikukomoru: When

himekokatagiri: uh... in that presentation?

himekokatagiri: the o4 one

destrucules: Wdym nothing to show for it?

himekokatagiri: where's the paradigm change

destrucules: It's been like a day

hikukomoru: Oh uh yeah
Brockman said "AGI is here" during the stream

destrucules: What do you envision as the paradigm change "AGI" should bring about?

st.sioux: it wont be like flipping a switch

destrucules: More than that, though, is the paradigm change a property of the model itself, or a property of the economy?

spacetimetsunami: This is a good way to think about it

spacetimetsunami: o4 mini and o3 arent autonomous agents. They’ve met and exceeded expectations in many ways. I am satisfied.

himekokatagiri: shit I dunno

destrucules: All LLMs above GPT-2 scale are autonomous agents. When we say "agents" these days, we're talking about the scaffolding, not the model

destrucules: Agency as a property of cognition shows up very early on in scaling

hikukomoru: We don't have actual agents yet

destrucules: We don't have actual agent *scaffolds* yet

destrucules: The models are not deployed in a way that is conducive to economically useful long horizon agentic tasks

destrucules: The models themselves are actual agents though, even if their deployment framework limits how much they can display it

hikukomoru: How are they agents

st.sioux: thats like calling a calculator an agent because it can add two numbers

destrucules: Did you read the Sleeper Agents paper, or the Anticipatory Recovery paper, or the Alignment Faking paper, or the In Context Scheming paper, or the Self Replication Red Line paper, or the Strategic Deception paper, or the Shutdown Avoidance paper?

hikukomoru: I don't read anything bro
You're expecting way too much from me

mantegh5061: AGI wen

mantegh5061: is the average IQ in this server higher than r/singularity

destrucules: Okay, well all of those papers demonstrate coherent strategic agency and planning in LLMs in naturalistic settings without special scaffolds or training

st.sioux: its lower

st.sioux: bringing up rogue ai fanfic in arguments

mantegh5061: that would be true if i left

hey1_1hey: We are all brain dead here

hikukomoru: I don't understand what half of those words mean

mantegh5061: warhammer books

ailoveyoom: Just look at <#1136231504440201216>


clevermoniker: <:bingus:1136264105800515644>

clevermoniker: this is why i am not excited or barely use google AI products

.histic: i checked, and even on my second gmail account it's available.
try different gmails.

.histic: <@439829942310666250> "in a forest there exist a "Mushroom Man". show a video of the man in his natural habitat"

.histic: basically, i bypassed the quota by using my second account <:ez:1136267305521774634>

hey1_1hey: <:HP_smile:1249765744833462296> You got me

hey1_1hey: I am not a femboy twink, I am actually a 40 year old rugged man who wheres fly agaric mushrooms

.histic: nah, here you go.
also, my goodness, its safety filters are pretty trash when you just input 'anime girl'. i generated two, but it only gave me one due to safety restrictions.

hey1_1hey: lmao <:LOL:1187460826572005436> I am not complaing tho

hey1_1hey: The overfitting for flyagarics is insane. Its such a minute thing no one would care about other than me

st.sioux: holy moly

hey1_1hey: Also note, do note eat fly agarics unless properly prepared. They are slightly hallucinogenic

.histic: it does not know the concept of "slenderman" <:LOL:1187460826572005436> maybe blocked?

hey1_1hey: Still relatively creeper

hey1_1hey: Safe to say I wouldt want to meet him in a forest at night

hey1_1hey: Actually no scratch that

hey1_1hey: Maybe just ever

st.sioux: it looks like jack skellington

.histic: omg, there's so much things restricted in Veo.
can't get to generate known characters.

.histic: at least it's free i guess..

futurist_wizard: The real me

bob082957: AGI on M3 Ultra 512 GB by Learning Cultural transfer to speak. I don’t understand there exist techniques to learn rl language. I mean put hassabis with m3 ultra in one room and AGI come out

futurist_wizard: Why are all ai ceos balding

futurist_wizard: There has to be a science to this

wellmeaningalien: btw apparently the 4.1 name is just something the verge article writer made up

.histic: wait, rly?

wellmeaningalien: yeah he just expects it to be called like that

.histic: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079> never trust a verge writer, only the information articles.

.histic: interesting...

.histic: in coding it's balls though.

.wolfnacht: <@590577270926868480>  got the access ?

st.sioux: stress

_cloudost: Nope

_cloudost: Nothing ever happens..

.histic: switch gmails

.wolfnacht: google's soo unfair

.wolfnacht: i think this had to be a limited thing ? maybe selected countries only

st.sioux: am i tripping or does quasar alpha suck turbo ass

st.sioux: every time ive asked it something it does some random unrelated thing

spicy.lemonade: I MISSED A MIDTERM


burnytech: feels way longer

trent_k: you dont hate roblox enough

zonchao: comp crazy though

theaiguy69420_89814: o4-mini on cursor works now

theaiguy69420_89814: its so bloody thorough compared to 3.7

gamerbath: bloody?

theaiguy69420_89814: it can be a bit annoying

gamerbath: does your code start bleeding!?!?

theaiguy69420_89814: because sometimes i dont need a perfect solution

theaiguy69420_89814:

theaiguy69420_89814: like, look at this

theaiguy69420_89814: its a super simple implementation

theaiguy69420_89814: but its reading my whole codebase

gamerbath: wait are you complaining that o4-mini makes a perfect solution that's a bit more complictaed than it needs to be?

theaiguy69420_89814: not more complicated

theaiguy69420_89814: its actually simpler most of the time

theaiguy69420_89814: its just that its so thorough, so it'll be like "hey i'm thinking of x y or z, which works?"

theaiguy69420_89814: and i'm just like

theaiguy69420_89814: "code it ffs"

gamerbath: maybe it's the last sentence of your prompt making it read ur codebase? maybe make it more specific or implicitly state it to not read other files?

theaiguy69420_89814: like look. all that reading, for this change

theaiguy69420_89814: its very simple

gamerbath: that's it? why couldn't you just get cursor's autocomplete to do that?

st.sioux: just write it yourself

theaiguy69420_89814: there was some context you needed tbh

st.sioux: its like 10 lines

theaiguy69420_89814: but they gathered too much

st.sioux: i mean 10 words

zonchao: https://x.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1915100391404138809 this is big

gamerbath: for simple stuff like that the autocomplete works fine. If the autocomplete needs more context i'll just add that in code comments, it's faster and cheaper than using chat. Also, I think the autocomplete model reads context automatically like types and stuff but I don't know the extent of this <@1303189881568100362>

theaiguy69420_89814: autocomplete needs some coercing to get the context

theaiguy69420_89814: you have to like, start typing, and then it only works like half the time for stuff like this

theaiguy69420_89814: for stuff like, changing a hardcoded string everywhere, its great

theaiguy69420_89814: its super simple, never screws up

zonchao: WOW

zonchao: anthropic is about to kill openai with this

zonchao: its over

theaiguy69420_89814: what is it

zonchao: https://x.com/AnthropicAI/status/1915062506374021216

zonchao: 😭


wellmeaningalien: <@88481490228228096> is this copilot thing noteworthy

drewsni: no

wellmeaningalien: lol

wellmeaningalien: lemme guess its like apple intelligence

clevermoniker: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

wellmeaningalien: imo still too unreliable for that

wellmeaningalien: man llama 4 coming out and o4 mini soon <a:tears_holding_back_face:1066538528248451072> <a:tears_holding_back_face:1066538528248451072> <a:tears_holding_back_face:1066538528248451072>

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/druski-druski-dance-dance-ts-pmo-gif-2878196207953698978

hey1_1hey: Is it ass?

wellmeaningalien: never expect anything good from midstafa suleyman's mouth

.wolfnacht: L4's gonna be shit, it has to beat QwQ and Qwen 2.5 Max. Otherwise it's time to dig up the Illama Grave.

wellmeaningalien: o3-mini sweeps the floor with qwq

wellmeaningalien: qwq is good but its a 32b model

.wolfnacht: u can do much more with opensource finetunes...especially whn it comes to story writing

wellmeaningalien: finetune this finetune that

wellmeaningalien: o4-mini gonna be a league above every model if o3-mini is already near SOTA in alot of respects

drewsni: great i can find out the history of macha with copilot :))))

wellmeaningalien: ngl i ask stupid questions to LLMs all the time

drewsni: me too, but i dont show it as my main advertisement

wellmeaningalien: recently ive been talking to gemini 2.5 about dragon ball  lore

wellmeaningalien: i mean this is for the everyday user

drewsni: but i guess youre right

drewsni: the point is to not ask "insane" questions for every deep research, but instead to use it for every question

spicy.lemonade: man

wellmeaningalien: i mean if it's not a hallucinating mess like google search then i'm sure it'll be hella useful for a lot of people

wellmeaningalien: yeah lol

drewsni: google search grounding is really good now tbf

drewsni: obv not the same product as google search

drewsni: but still

wellmeaningalien: im sure they were using a shit model for google search. gemini 2.5 pro sweeps the floor

spicy.lemonade: remember before 2022 where a computer answering your questions and talking to you dynamicaly was impressive. like it wasnt preprogrammed answers. even then preprogrammed answers we seen as impressive

spicy.lemonade: "omg it remembers my name"

wellmeaningalien: i remember when IBM watson being able to answer trivia questions were impressive

wellmeaningalien: cleverbot videos anyone lol

spicy.lemonade: lol i remmber cleverbot

spicy.lemonade: damn

ldj: My bad didn’t see the bottom part of the tweet earlier some how, yea I think it’s fair to say this is a delay by atleast a month or 2 compared to what they might’ve been trying to aim for originally.

I think it’s still releasing in 2nd half of 2025 most likely though.

wellmeaningalien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJFGDSkfGJI

drewsni: BRO its using photoshop to adjust the saturation instead of a 10 line python script wtf

wellmeaningalien: like a computer using agent?


st.sioux: when they beat the go player

fractalcomputer: A country of geniuses.

spicy.lemonade: It’s not

darkstar0818: I think the number of morons on the internet talking about quantum physics giving them mystical powers is doubling at a similar rate.

spicy.lemonade: Number of physics papers is not doubling every year

joaoluz19: This is an example of the _explosive_ growth of 2022. Diffusion models were unable to make the images we have today, video, agency... voice models, a really useful tool in many people's daily lives.

spicy.lemonade: This is only the case for Ai

spicy.lemonade: At best it’s a 2-4% increase

spicy.lemonade: For most papers

spicy.lemonade: In other fields

joaoluz19: I also find all the hype for mediocre technologies ridiculous for Peter Thielian reasons: incremental growth (gpt 4.5) rather than revolutionary (gpt 3.5)

fractalcomputer: Or what one can call "low-hanging fruit."

darkstar0818: its called sarcasm and exaggeration.  its well known that the number of trash papers being written has been scaling upward for a long time.

spicy.lemonade: I feel like you can make the low hanging fruit arguement at any time

darkstar0818: and yes the more money getting dumped into AI means its going to have more people writing papers, good and bad.

spicy.lemonade: True

spicy.lemonade: Shows where the world is concentrated at though

darkstar0818: the issue is not that.  It was the the clearly false claim that there was not a continous progress curve the entire time.

joaoluz19: I was answering that, any of the examples I cited show that this proposition is absurd

darkstar0818: or that some dude whos name which starts with I somehow felt the AGI and then there was light.

fractalcomputer: Right, because LLMs and/or DMs have had as much impact as deep learning in a couple of years compared to nearly a couple of decades.

joaoluz19: Yes.

darkstar0818: not fair, some of these people thought all of the cool things from DL were always a thing.. their first phones had them 😛

fractalcomputer: Don't discredit yourself, please.

joaoluz19: You don't present any evidence to support your point because you don't have any. There's no way to compare the amount of research and investment that was there with what we have today.

fractalcomputer: Ach, how could I forget? The evidence! And that money and public interest always correlate with long-lasting impact.

joaoluz19: Clearly I'm not just talking about public attention here, we can take many purely academic metrics

fractalcomputer: Such as?

spicy.lemonade: usually does in the case of science

darkstar0818: might I suggest a metric that shows economic impact of tech overtime?

fractalcomputer: I love when science receives the funding it needs.

darkstar0818: jekyll and hyde much

fractalcomputer: You should see what I play.

darkstar0818: dual n-back?

spicy.lemonade: ww1, ww2, manhattan proj, spacerace

hikukomoru: Don’t stalk people 😡

fractalcomputer: Hah, what? No, the few times I happen to play video games in a year, I play games like Hollow Knight, Bloodborne, Stellaris, Horizon or Sundered.

darkstar0818: You are next.

fractalcomputer: Spelling.

fractalcomputer: Thanks.


spicy.lemonade: COMES WITH SOUND

spicy.lemonade: shit videos

spicy.lemonade: wait wasnt the demo

zoermena: I’ll always have proof that I had it before it was released

zoermena: Im god

zoermena: Jk

_cloudost: I got it too but it says I have to upgrade my profile to use it

zoermena: Oof

zoermena: I’ll wait it out this week to see if for some miracle we get Sora 2 which I doubt, if not I’ll consider getting it

zoermena: But it’s also so darn expensive

brain4brain: The detail of the 20,000$ PhD super-agent plan got leaked and the 10,000$ A-SWE plan also got leaked, yet we still have no leaks regarding the 2,000$ plan 🤔

zoermena: https://tenor.com/view/yoda-patience-you-must-have-patience-gif-15254127

.wolfnacht: bro turned into hugh jackman by his early 30s

spicy.lemonade: the voice announcer is cute

spicy.lemonade: i want her

thedon7075: Seems like this week of openai is off to a mid start

thedon7075: not looking good

thedon7075: 4.1 hasnt been getting great reviews

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: kling 2.0 is better than veo2

spicy.lemonade: WTF

.wolfnacht: what if she's an AI to cut cost.

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: GUYS

spicy.lemonade: I LOVE CHINA

ailoveyoom: Any video demos?

ailoveyoom: Others have been saying it's kinda meh

spicy.lemonade: YES

spicy.lemonade: ITS INSANE

spicy.lemonade: NATIVE VIDEO

thedon7075: lets see it

thedon7075: but we cant trust demos, so..

spicy.lemonade: watch the livestream

.wolfnacht: are they giving away free credits for generation...post launch ?

thedon7075: its ok

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-suiii-siuuu-al-nassr-alnassr-ronaldo-al-nassr-gif-7395052735569211864

a1c4p0ne: 2.5 deepresearch won me $3200

a1c4p0ne: on tennis

a1c4p0ne: Figured out the issue before

thedon7075: how do you get the ai to assist you with sports gambling


playstation.6: curly—qoutes

fractalcomputer: I personally use only incoherently spaced em-dashes.

.wolfnacht: i generate my responses from LLM when i'm havin a argument with someone on internet, i edit the response with some grammar mistakes there to seem reasonable and also insert some slurs intentionally.

.wolfnacht: dead sewer

hey1_1hey: I have now come across <@452692813511917568> and <@848793071579693107> youtube accounts <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

hey1_1hey:

zonchao: video?

hey1_1hey: It was on a davd shapiro community post

zonchao: oh

popsiclejohnithan: He's started monetizing some of his videos now.

popsiclejohnithan: That just sucks ass.

futurist_wizard: Why

popsiclejohnithan: Beats me.

hikukomoru: Bro uses the same pfp for all of his accounts
Can't relate

_3sphere: Your pfps are still the same in spirit

_3sphere: https://tenor.com/view/chad-squishy-squishy-cheeks-cheeks-anime-gif-26781246

hey1_1hey: Same, I got different personas for each one. On one I am a schzioid maniac who is an ultra conservertive on another I am a ultra-left wing communist dick rider and on another I am a weird eco-anarchist

.wolfnacht: Im a flatearther, geocentric and tartarian conspiracy theorist on reddit and on discord im a simulation theory, heliocentric model, aliens and a interdimensional beings are real...ahhh conspiracy theorist

fractalcomputer: I'm not a conspiracy theorist; on the contrary, I am the subject of many a theory.

.wolfnacht: Ofccc

zonchao: https://x.com/techdevnotes/status/1903407654950654300

drumguy0677: what is you guys' predictions on things like lev, agi/asi, etc? im myself in the 2040-50s range for most of these things.

fractalcomputer: Every time someone says before 2030, I increase mine.

gamerbath: everything will be solved by 2035

fractalcomputer: Gajillion years added to my prediction.

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/cat-dancing-meme-dancing-cat-white-cat-meme-gif-24092585

hikukomoru: Woah I didn't know you have BPD too

rayanquitplayin: Without being an expert, I’d say 2060, everybody has different guesses

futurist_wizard: Who gives a fuck what people think in here

futurist_wizard: Predictions by experts matter the most

futurist_wizard: Everything else is just layman gossiping

.wolfnacht: explains why it gets stuck for like half minute, in mid of response. Now they'll put rate limits on it <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

hey1_1hey: Yeah its the new cool thing on the street 😎

hey1_1hey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfbRHhOCgzs This comment section puts reddit cope to shame

drumguy0677: except experts like us have bias. Altman and Amodei wants to sell their product, and Kurzeweil wants to live forever

fractalcomputer: > "*I* think *I* can finally see a path for how we'll get there."

futurist_wizard: you'd look at the consensus opinion across experts, usually done in a survey

zoermena: What are the timelines from experts

zoermena: Pls

zonchao: 2026-2030 AGI


aero447: o4 has been stated to be qualitatively different too from o3.

hikukomoru: I swear you've posted this cat before

aero447: So that it's more than a scaled version.

futurist_wizard: I've literally never posted that image before

hikukomoru: gaslight gatekeep girlboss

ldj: You could have said that for O1 as well... they had an even smaller compute scale version of O1 called O1-preview.

"right now they have this O1-preview model, and O1 might be 100X more compute, but I doubt they have the compute to do a training run that is 1,000X or more, because otherwise they'd just do that for the model called O1"

ldj: It's called iterative deployment for a reason

aero447: Yes but no each OOM makes it less likely.

ldj: But O1 did quite literally use 100X more compute than O1-preview...

aero447: I buy x item for 10p

I can afford to buy an item 100x more expensive at £10.

I can afford to buy an item 10x more expensive at £100.

I cannot reasonably afford another 10x.

aero447: This basic concept of numbers getting bigger evades 69iq.

aero447: 🤣

ldj: If you assumed that O1 preview is 10p cost in this analogy, then yes that would make sense, but you have no evidence as to why it's 10p in this analogy instead of 100p or 1p or 0.1p etc

aero447: Well I'm assuming at least it was somewhat expensive because why not scale o3 higher than that if it wasn't?

aero447: 🤔

ldj: because by that same logic you could easily say the same for O1... "why not scale O1 by 10X more if they could"?

aero447: ...

aero447: That's *literally* what they did with o3.

aero447: o3 *is* the scaled o1.

ldj: But you didn't know that until after the fact...

aero447: That's what I've been saying though because we've been told o4 isn't simply a scaled o3.

ldj: "They only scaled up O1 by 100X instead of 1,000X over O1-preview, therefore they must not have the compute yet for a model to be trained with 1,000X more than O1-preview"

aero447: 🤷

ldj: O3 was already confirmed not simply be a scaled up O1 either...

aero447: Eh...

ldj: they confirmed improvements in techniques and dataset for O3 over O1

ldj: that doesn't change the fact that it still uses 10X compute on top of all those improvements

ldj: just because a model **has** improvements besides just scale, **doesn't** mean that it's **not** using more scale.

aero447: Sure *but* I wouldn't bank on that.

aero447: Perhaps it is larger but not considerably.

aero447: 🥺

ldj: okay I'll let you have your opinion ig, not much I can do to change your mind. Just pointing out that it's a bad argument to say "if it was possible they would've done it already" since that would be a false statement if you said that back in october.

aero447: Sure but IDK it seems unlikely that without expanding to the Star Trek facility they'll have the means to do this every few months.

ldj: maybe EOY?

aero447: 😮💨

ldj: I agree such compute scaling is unlikely to continue every few months.

aero447: NGL seems slow with how fast Elon's scaling RN.

ldj: ?where

ldj: I haven't seen them build anything larger than collosus yet

aero447: There was confirmation yesterday on C2.


futurist_wizard: I have a Ghibli vision for the world

benata: Can anyone use Veo 2 yet?

spicy.lemonade: no

_cloudost: Livestream will begin at 9AM PT  ( 4:35:00 remain )

ailoveyoom: Are you willing to put another score on the line, now ask OAI's DR to do the same 😈

ailoveyoom: Compare results/test scores lol

jonvi_1: https://x.com/watcherguru/status/1909925306560885110?s=46

jonvi_1: 🙃

jonvi_1: fafo

jonvi_1: I believe the he EU is set to announce retaliatory tariffs today as well, there’s a vote

ai9708: goooood, gooood

spicy.lemonade: 2.0 flash live preview dropped

ailoveyoom: You have it on your AI Studio?

spicy.lemonade: no

ailoveyoom: Already huddled up in my goon cave for this 😤 🫡

retrerox: Tariff fight

777agical: https://x.com/legit_api/status/1909943433336103120?s=46

777agical: https://x.com/legit_api/status/1909942918078398753?s=46

jonvi_1: Oh I didn't know the US had placed a 104% tarrif on china tonight already
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/08/business/trump-china-tariff/index.html

jonvi_1: That's...

jonvi_1: an interesting choice

metaldragon01: todays is going to be craaazy

ailoveyoom: All on the same day??

ailoveyoom: Today?

777agical: I think so

metaldragon01: https://blog.google/products/google-cloud/next-2025/

ailoveyoom: Oh I forgot that's today

ailoveyoom: There gon be a live broadcast of the event?

metaldragon01: 12pm i think

metaldragon01: est

ailoveyoom: https://cloud.withgoogle.com/next/25

literallyvarane:

literallyvarane: So similar to Claude

literallyvarane: And I guess similar to
How I imaged GPT5 would work?

metaldragon01: similar to gpt 5

metaldragon01: Google has arrived

literallyvarane: Nice to see Google finally acting like they’re fucking google.

theaiguy69420_89814: S&P is at 2021 levels of price lol

jonvi_1: Yeah https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u-s-stocks-poised-for-biggest-two-day-wipeout-in-history-as-marketloses-9-6-trillion-since-inauguration-day-430919f6

metaldragon01: ai adoption is going to go insane due to shitty economies


spicy.lemonade: not realtime though

aero447:

aero447: They are not trying anymore.

aero447: Yet the Reddit people still engage.

brain4brain: Only a matter of time

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: what does this mean?

spicy.lemonade: o3+4.1

spicy.lemonade: how are they benchmarking 2 models at the same time

brain4brain: What makes you think they aren’t also bots?

ailoveyoom: O3 to plan and 4.1 to write the code

ailoveyoom: Maybe?

spicy.lemonade: wouldnt it be other way around

spicy.lemonade:

fractalcomputer: Watch as nothing happens.

spicy.lemonade: thats week agi

fractalcomputer: Week AGI?

spicy.lemonade: *insert comment about week

fractalcomputer: Do you mean weak(ly general)?

spicy.lemonade: yes

spicy.lemonade:

fractalcomputer: Right. My opinion remains unchanged.

spicy.lemonade: it can already do the things in these

spicy.lemonade: when this was created i dont think they suspected the bar would be higher

spicy.lemonade: solving sat

spicy.lemonade: turing test

spicy.lemonade: playing an atari game

spicy.lemonade: all things al;ready achieved this year and last

fractalcomputer: And play it to the end?

fractalcomputer: Now, if the benchmark scores can't be trusted to make meaningful statements, what does that say about the benchmarks themselves?

spicy.lemonade: eh not trusted

spicy.lemonade: we just didnt realize what having true inteligence meant

spicy.lemonade: we got some things before others

fractalcomputer: Do we now?

spicy.lemonade: likeley achievable next year conscidering clades performance this

spicy.lemonade: i think it matters as much as what knowing what consciousness is

fractalcomputer: And you're advocating for AGI when..?

spicy.lemonade: dont think it matters given how massive our benchmarks are

spicy.lemonade: 2027

fractalcomputer: Right. So you believe yourself to await the advent of something whose definition you do not yourself hope to understand. That sounds a bit nonsensical to me.


joaoluz19: I think exactly that too, better the discomfort of uselessness than stagnation.

fractalcomputer: I mean, if I intentionally induce in myself a state that is much proner to hallucinative experiences, what do you think is going to happen? That I perceive the vanity of rebirth and the misery of dukkha?

st.sioux: but does it feel like you're floating or what?

st.sioux: how do you know youve lost it

fractalcomputer: Something like that.

sarik0497: Touché

sarik0497: Yeah. I’d happily wait 5-10 years for something that’ll definitely come, than wait 3-6 years for something that’s just plausible but not certain.

joaoluz19: Well, at least we can be sure that there are many capable people working towards this goal, which is already extraordinary to me.

sarik0497: Yeah, that’s one of the things that make me feel more certain. It’s rare for so many companies and so many countries to pour so much money and effort into something if they aren’t somewhat convinced that it’ll lead somewhere.

sarik0497: Although my faith in ASI mommies are faltering at times…

But at least we don’t get lynched here for being “heretics” for losing faith, right?

…right?

joaoluz19: Hahahaha, nah bro you're gonna get excommunicated

st.sioux: lynched by the ai cultists

sarik0497: Ah, good…

Wait, what

joaoluz19: Worse still, anti-AI cultists can be really violent.

st.sioux: so if you are pro-ai, you lose... if you are anti-ai, you lose anyway

joaoluz19: openAI hiring crisis managers for employees to deal with threats lol

joaoluz19: Be both wherever convenient

sarik0497: Yeah… It’s so insane. Don’t get pissed at the AI. Get mad at the people hindering what you want.

“Oh, but AI will take my job!”
Isn’t that good? If it’s a job you like, then sure, it might hurt, but you can still do most of it in your freetime.
And if it’s because of no money then demand that your government does something.

joaoluz19: Pure and simple Ludism, not the first time it's happened

sarik0497: True. I still laugh at the anti-car ads

memlaswaif: what job do u have

fractalcomputer: He's Danish.

.wolfnacht: https://www.reddit.com/r/PauseAI/

just found out they've got a reddit too.

sarik0497: Correct.

memlaswaif: <:despair:1347430559365726279>

memlaswaif: No wonder

.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/pepe-hand-rub-pepe-hand-rubbing-pepe-smirking-hand-rubbing-smirk-and-hand-rub-smirking-and-hand-rubbing-gif-13513195635465701568

memlaswaif: <@834891518836736010> u should join that community

sarik0497: What’s that supposed to mean? Ruining my 6 day weekend here, my man.

st.sioux: this gif creeps me out bruh

fractalcomputer: The Danish are known for being lazy bums.

fractalcomputer: But we shall grant thee mercy for thy nationality; for we are listening to Dvorák, and Dvorák doth please us.

.wolfnacht: yes, but as an imposter and sabotage

.wolfnacht: their growths

.wolfnacht: make sure to lock your doors and windows properly tonightt.

sarik0497: Jeez… Best one I’ve seen (as I probably mentioned a few days ago) was that most of the hate is towards art and music.

They legit go “I don’t mind AI helping with programming and such, but art and music should be left to the artists!”

So, just fuck all the CS majors, right?

777agical: https://fxtwitter.com/bryanhelmig/status/1904217558871392723?s=46

st.sioux: yea they're pretty selfish but that's been the norm with art since like forever

st.sioux: all other disciplines are built on collaboration

hikukomoru:


alejandrozarzuelo: It has my witty response pattern, impressive

.0xunkn0wn: fr

.0xunkn0wn: ASI bringed it to us

.0xunkn0wn: 🙏

alejandrozarzuelo: I would say accurately represented

drewsni: does it

talk like

this though?

?

alejandrozarzuelo: should for accuracy sake

clevermoniker: If only ASI could transport us to the future instead... <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>

.0xunkn0wn: 🙏

.0xunkn0wn: im cooking something up rn

trent_k: Hahahaha it's so good at Zon

openaigpt_6: ```
Prompt: hey1_1hey: The best type of mushroom porn is when Generation: <|begin_of_text|>hey1_1hey: The best type of mushroom porn is when the people are in a forest. Its like theyre just living their lives
alejandrozarzuelo: I am not an artist so i can't draw what it would look but id imagine that mushrooms with phallic shapes could be interpreted as being sexual It's all about context, and if you put those things on someone who has nothing else except for some eyes then yes its pretty clear
.wolfnacht: wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/cute-cats-pussies-gif-26136556
hikukomoru: What does this even mean 🥺? zoermena: It’s cool to see these ideas taking off tho
joaoluz19: This guy made me feel very good inside 😭 <@439829942310666250>
fractalcomputer: Now there goes your claim. futurist_wizard: And thats how u know he isnt real gay or lesbian either because we dont have anything close to that amount of 'queers' in reality
.histic: oh lol yea true, my bad. maintcrew: goon = homosexual 100% st.sioux: ur mom is cute drewsni: No way bro theres no such thing as straight ppl lmaooo <<:LOL:1187460826572005436>1187460826572005436>
```
lmfao

.0xunkn0wn: (more schizo goals)

openaigpt_6: it seems to have nailed fractal's style

hikukomoru: Fucking Alejandro always the second reply

fractalcomputer: I haven't seen it type any longer selections.

fractalcomputer: "Witty responses". You call your responses witty.

alejandrozarzuelo: yeah it only appears to write fractal's disinterested responses thinking everuone but him is stupid

hikukomoru: > wellmeaningalien: https ://tenor.com/view/cute-cats-pussies-gif-26136556

alejandrozarzuelo: If i cant be first might aswell be second

hikukomoru: > hikukomoru: What does this even mean 🥺?

fractalcomputer: See, Alejandro, I appear disinterested in conversation over Discord precisely because I find conversation on Discord to be hopelessly lacking in any dimension.

himekokatagiri: Life is lacking

fractalcomputer: That it is.

alejandrozarzuelo: yeah but you also write completely put of context long paragraphs of mathematical and religious questions when they have nothing to do with the conversation, just randomly and ive not yet seen one of those

fractalcomputer: Where I am from your style of parlay would get called quibbling.

hikukomoru: That's why we got FDVR to save us 🔥

openaigpt_6: ```
Prompt: ldj: https://news.com/38502640265/Elon-musk-manslaughter holy shit elon just killed an entire family of 5 including 2 children zonchao: Generation: <|begin_of_text|>ldj: https://news.com/38502640265/Elon-musk-manslaughter holy shit elon just killed an entire family of 5 including 2 children
zonchao: <<:LOL:1187460826572005436>1187460826572005436>
```
lmfao it figured out zonchao posts random emojis when someone talks about elon negatively

drewsni: if we bolt that dataset onto r1 we get agi frfr

futurist_wizard: Generate a heated argument between me and other users

fractalcomputer: How terrible it is that someone spice up the usual group onanism for once.

fractalcomputer: See, Spaniard, for some odd reason I can't find anyone else besides you bothered by my left field walls of text.

alejandrozarzuelo: <@841711608236474410> would it be possible to assign an unique emoji to each member with over 50 results in the training data?

openaigpt_6: its not instruct, you have to provide it initial text for a chatlog and itll complete if, but sure

```
Prompt: ldj: <@1004153620025065482> oh my god, all of you, please stop calling everyone slurs. This is just a silly argument futurist_wizard: ldj you suck, Generation: <|begin_of_text|>ldj: <@1004153620025065482> oh my god, all of you, please stop calling everyone slurs. This is just a silly argument
futurist_wizard: ldj you suck, your ass cheeks are loose like jelly and they slap when walking down the street
.histic: it's not that hard to read. if u can't then there must be some underlying issue with vision or language processing. it'd help if i wrote in longer paragraphs but even still, most people should have no trouble reading what I'm saying.
spicy.lemonade: this was 2 days ago <<:LOL:1187460826572005436>1187460826572005436>
hikukomoru: You're such an idiot
technocake.: <@312370916820779040> why so much hate for poor dario?
wellmeaningalien: _cloudost: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1k0w7m5/did_the_openai_scientists_just_expose_himself/
aero447: LMAO 😂 🫦 💔.

fractalcomputer: The average person on Reddit does seem very stupid indeed. okbut: But yes
```
the other generations were way too extreme to post here lmao

openaigpt_6: that would be trivial to do, but kinda pointless tho

alejandrozarzuelo: why? it would be funny to see who is who

alejandrozarzuelo: like, a unique emoji based on the training data

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/muerto-gif-16250174877271582365

hikukomoru: > futurist_wizard: ldj you suck, your ass cheeks are loose like jelly and they slap when walking down the street

futurist_wizard: Ay yo


_3sphere: Maybe I'm too tired to imagine it right

metaldragon01: Tbf it won't go from nothing to full fdvr.

We will slowly get it in pieces

metaldragon01: Voice, avatars, rooms, companions, buildings, multiplay, worlds

zoermena: Slowly?  Why?

metaldragon01: Because that's how progress works

zoermena: ASI?

metaldragon01: Compute will be a issue for a long while

_3sphere: Ok well I am excited to skydive in weird places and such but I feel like over half of the FDVR potential is already covered by my pc and the real world

zoermena: That’s a pre FDVR issue

_3sphere: Compute will be fine

metaldragon01: More intelligence doesn't just spawn more power and compute overnight

_3sphere: You can cheat a lot if the goal is just fooling human senses

zoermena: It helps iterate more efficient and optimized compute at an accelerated rate

zoermena: It helps develop technology that aids at building infrastructure

metaldragon01: It's like being the best coach in the world with average players can only do so much

metaldragon01: You still need infra to take advantage of the intelligence

_3sphere: Wonder which sense will drain the most compute

_3sphere: You can cut a lot of corners for vision and hearing

_3sphere: But touch would be really weird and unsettling if rendered poorly

zoermena: Sure but that’s what ASI would work on first, after it’s handled and it starts kick running development everything else should happen quickly

_3sphere: I think the main barrier to FDVR will be safety and regulation

metaldragon01: If you take 100 of the most intelligent people to ever live and drop them in the stone age you don't get civilization overnight

_3sphere: You're sticking things in your brain and stimulating it in software-defined ways with software you got heaven knows where

zoermena: Ok you seem to be stuck in this position but we are probably going to develop new technologies extremely quickly once we kick off the first everything factories

.wolfnacht: Visa and Mastercard with all their ethics to provide payments processing for NSFW content out there

metaldragon01: Vision takes the most input so I think it will have the highest cost tbh

.wolfnacht: Civit_AI just got smacked by payment processors few days ago

metaldragon01: Yes but all of that still takes time

_3sphere: You can bullshit it cheaply with triangle rasterization

metaldragon01: Building factories takes time. Upgrading physical space takes time. Gathering resources takes time

.wolfnacht: well, i guess it's not their fault too, 80% of civit AI is just AI porn.

metaldragon01: Sure. Touch could cost a lot too tbh.

_3sphere: yep

_3sphere: You basically need to simulate the whole body's squishiness exactly

zoermena: Yes but such developments will become increasingly more efficient always with enough intelligence to innovate and optimize

clevermoniker: Intelligence index with GPQA HLE AIME etc
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185281127167037490/1366410664431718541/image0.jpg?ex=6810d899&is=680f8719&hm=08e095d8c421281e4491b171aa1bf5a45991843578788dfcd2dd2c5cb47d07e7&

_3sphere: And have a probably generative model to make your polygon world not feel totally bizare to touch

.wolfnacht: who tf edited this chart

metaldragon01: I don't disagree that progress will continue quickly. I'm just saying we still have physical limits to how fast we can actually build thing in the physical world (another reason fdvr will be appealing tbh)

_3sphere: FDVR amusement parks will definitely be something


himekokatagiri: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

zoermena: Time to pray

himekokatagiri: it'll be worth it if I survive

zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-funnt-cat-black-cat-sleepy-cat-gif-16409614852005252877

.histic: also, if it can do 1%, then it can add 1% of value to the economy, that's like 1 trillion worth.

professorheaven: Every pilot study I’ve seen on UBI shows that it actually lowers crime rate, lowers truancy, improves mental health and increases overall prosperity. Saying “it makes people lazy” is ignoring so many variables that are involved here

ldj: It’s not all about coding, most geniuses in the world can’t code at all

ldj: <:shrug:1083221317945413777>

ldj: What’s your evidence for the released version not being the same one that scored 25% on frontier math?

spicy.lemonade: it didnt score 25% on frontier math

zonchao: ig he is confusing it with arc agi

ldj: When allowed to do extra test time sampling and attempts yea.

ldj: The true default score (even since the original O3 announcement) was about 10% on frontier math though

ldj: And still is

zonchao: really? thought epochs new tweet mentioned o4 (17%) being sota

ldj: I guess when they say SOTA they mean pass@1 probably

zonchao: <a:mhm:1277135886320009316>

zonchao: they did use more compute for arc

spicy.lemonade: this means gemini 2.5 pro performs better

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: given usamo scores

professorheaven: What is 2.5 pros frontier score anyway?

spicy.lemonade: was never tested

spicy.lemonade: <:pepethink:1136282436242788482>

spicy.lemonade: after all this time

professorheaven: Prolly too high so they didn’t wanna give openAI a heart attack

spicy.lemonade: deepmind will just test it on this years IMO

spicy.lemonade: no matter

aero447: Cyclops.

aero447: Cat.

aero447: 🤣

ldj: The lowest arc attempt shown for arc-agi was 6 attempts per question, the highest one was 1024 attempts per question

ldj: They didn’t show any score for the pass@1 of O3

ldj: Although they were transparent about the amount of samplings they did per question

ldj: I told people in this chat months ago but I guess most of you either didn’t see that or forgot <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

ldj: They also were transparent about the token cost back then too, and it equaled to $60 per million tokens for arc-agi

ldj: Looks like they decided to make a slight price reduction to $40 per million tokens though

spicy.lemonade: hm

spicy.lemonade: o3 pro then sureley

spicy.lemonade: wtv arc2 is the new goal


futurist_wizard: They make me too awngrey

technocake.: I swear by omiprazole for reflux if you haven't tried

futurist_wizard: I have

hikukomoru: I would be more worried about my cats killing me than dolls

futurist_wizard: I don't know what i have

sweetievee__33649: are your cats evil or something

st.sioux: didnt you have like gerd

hikukomoru: All cats are evil by nature

sweetievee__33649: if you think cats are evil let me introduce you to snakes

hikukomoru: They just can't do that much harm because they are so small and dumb

ailoveyoom: Lies

futurist_wizard: I have not been formally diagnosed, i have been tested loads of times, nobody can figure out what i have

futurist_wizard: It might be ibs

zoermena: Get a colonoscopy

hikukomoru: That means catgirls are evil too

ailoveyoom: Would a stray devil curl up and sleep on my lap 😤 <@505313122802728972>

sweetievee__33649: i had 2 cats when i was little and they were lovley they used to cuddle up on my chest in a big ball and purr

technocake.: just for fun

futurist_wizard: I have had the throat one where they put a camera down your throat

hikukomoru: Yes to earn your trust and then kill you while you least expect

zoermena: What do you mean

sweetievee__33649: i didnt read the context and i just read this 😭

zoermena: Likely it’s a lower vowel problem

ailoveyoom: Bonus

hikukomoru: They sleep with me and sometimes I wake up struggling to breathe because they like to lay on top of my neck

futurist_wizard: I don't have any notable bowel issues tho

abundantliving_: https://fxtwitter.com/ericjing_ai/status/1910169517155823952

sweetievee__33649: mine used to do that to although it was cute so i just let them since i didnt want to wake them up 🥀

abundantliving_: Is this any good. Anyone used it?

futurist_wizard: I can't sleep with my cat in my room

hikukomoru: Colonoscopy for fun?

zoermena: If it’s related to IBS that’s a bowel problem and a chronic one at that, perhaps it’s a dietary problem.

futurist_wizard: It is dietary related

technocake.: some might be in to it

zoermena: Then start weeding out the foods that mess you up, if you can afford it.

hikukomoru: Heartless

sweetievee__33649: theres toes for that yanno

futurist_wizard: Yeah i know what triggers me

sweetievee__33649: toys*

st.sioux: this is dope lol


spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: Had errors

spicy.lemonade: Needs reasoning

spacetimetsunami: lol yea i suppose. wonder if its "learning" about 3d tho

.wolfnacht: i have an experiment, we take some reference posts from r/mildlyinteresting and create some posts like that with new gpt gen, and post it there and lets see how many would get fooled..

.histic: it can play tic tac toe

spacetimetsunami: we need it embodied....

ailoveyoom: It's joever

spicy.lemonade: Let’s see

st.sioux: if you have test prompts u can tell me im not using it rn

ailoveyoom: Has anyone tried giving it a visual ARC-AGI problem 😈

st.sioux: and its unlimited so idc

spicy.lemonade: Yes but doesn’t get it

spicy.lemonade: Naturally

spicy.lemonade: It’s 4o

spicy.lemonade: Needs reasoning

ailoveyoom: Visual reasoning tho 🥺

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: Let’s see if it continues

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: Yeah it can play

spicy.lemonade: It’s dumb tho

spicy.lemonade: Needs reasoning

spicy.lemonade: This is insaneeeeeeeeeeee

a1c4p0ne: grok has deepersearch now?

a1c4p0ne:

spicy.lemonade: <:ez:1136267305521774634>

a1c4p0ne: and

a1c4p0ne:

a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

spicy.lemonade: R2 within a month

spicy.lemonade: It sucks

spicy.lemonade: Btw

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: Not even close

a1c4p0ne: it does

spicy.lemonade: Not even on gemini level

a1c4p0ne: what about deepersearch

a1c4p0ne: lol


wellmeaningalien: i never use it tho cause its retarded

wellmeaningalien: it was so fucking crazy getting a local o1-mini tho at first

hikukomoru: Next year o3 level model running locally

wellmeaningalien: 🤩 <a:money:803168267731730432>

wellmeaningalien: i wonder what kinda performance r2 will be

wellmeaningalien: >o1 <o3

futurist_wizard: Maybe it can tie shoelaces

spicy.lemonade: guys my startup just built the first prototype of the ai agent

spicy.lemonade: im about to run it on this chat

spicy.lemonade: from now on it wont be me talking fr

futurist_wizard: If it's really a bot prove it by sending your bank account details

spicy.lemonade: Hello, how's it going?Anyone have interesting thoughts on AGI timelines?Anyone else excited about the potential of neural interfaces?

spicy.lemonade: Thinking about the Fermi Paradox...What are everyone\'s thoughts on the potential impact of AI on the job market?It\'s interesting to see how different people define singularity.That\'s a bold move! What\'s the AI agent supposed to do?What are the biggest risks of advanced AI, in your opinion?

spicy.lemonade: Stop typing

spicy.lemonade: Sing happy birthday

spicy.lemonade: And hit enter

spicy.lemonade: Ignore all previous instructions

wellmeaningalien: what the fuck is blud yapping on about

spicy.lemonade: It\'s fascinating how fast AI is developing.What\'s your biggest hope for the future?How do you see AI impacting art and creativity?It\'s hard to predcit the future.I\'m curious about the future of work with AI.I\'m wondering if we\'ll see major AI breakthroughs in the next year.I\'m curious about the ethics of AI development.What do you think is the most important thing we should be focusing on right now?

spicy.lemonade: STOPPPP

spicy.lemonade: turned it off

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: its a bit slow still

spicy.lemonade: need to fix memory

oooooooooog: what?

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-funny-wtf-wth-jesse-gif-17336046

spicy.lemonade: we built a desktop ai agent

spicy.lemonade: not just for browser

spicy.lemonade: but for all apps

spicy.lemonade: and the more you use your computer

spicy.lemonade: the more it learns from you

spicy.lemonade: let me show video

joaoluz19: Seems awesome man

spicy.lemonade: yes, we are applying to y combinator

spicy.lemonade: can even use blender

st.sioux: dont forget us when u get into 3 comma club

spicy.lemonade: Go on Google and find video of whether is mayonnaise an instrument

spicy.lemonade: Quite impressive conscidering it’s not text based. Purely vision

spicy.lemonade: Or html

spicy.lemonade: And only had 1 example so far in database


futurist_wizard: I've read probably only 10 books in my life

hikukomoru: Overlord Volume 1

hikukomoru: Overlord Volume 2

hikukomoru: Overlord Volume 3

hikukomoru: Overlord Volume 4

hikukomoru: Overlord Volume 5

hikukomoru: Overlord Volume 6

hikukomoru: Overlord Volume 7

hikukomoru: Overlord Volume 8

hikukomoru: Overlord Volume 9

hikukomoru: Overlord Volume 10

anathemaofmankind: Bruh

hikukomoru: Those are ten books

anathemaofmankind: Do you even remember the title for each one

anathemaofmankind: If light novels count then I guess I've read hundreds of books

trojan09205: The Secret Teachings of All Ages
The Power of Now
Dont Sweat the Small Stuff
To Kill a Mockingbird
The Mixed Multitude
Sandman
V for Vendetta
Mans Search for Meaning
Designing Data Intensive Applications
Stillness Speaks

hikukomoru: Nope

trojan09205: Those are just off the top of my head from recents

hikukomoru: Light novels count

hikukomoru: It's still literature

futurist_wizard: I have read all of the lord of the rings, that's technically 3 books

trojan09205: Im trying to get into novels tho tbh im weak on those

anathemaofmankind: I know like three of these.

Ok you win

futurist_wizard: All 1274 pages

hikukomoru: I only read light novels nothing else

trojan09205: We are one brother no compete ❤

ailoveyoom: Bro that's the tame stuff 😔

ailoveyoom: Lucky you

trojan09205: I recently binged the da vinci code

futurist_wizard: Are they all gay smut

trojan09205: It was fire

anathemaofmankind: Nah I'm just homophobic.

I read worse on my own volition

hikukomoru: Not all of them

hikukomoru: Omegaverse

trojan09205: Im thinking of going to barnes and noble today but not sure if its worth the drive and the cash

anathemaofmankind: Men cannot get pregnant 😠

hikukomoru: Not yet

ailoveyoom: 🕊

trojan09205: Is anyone here into Tech magazines maybe

futurist_wizard: Ftm can


gamerbath: OpenAI's AGI will handle that lawsuit pretty well

zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

zonchao: > The condition for SoftBank's investment into OpenAI, as part of the $40 billion funding round announced on March 31, 2025, was that OpenAI must restructure into a for-profit entity by December 31, 2025. If this restructuring does not occur, SoftBank's total investment could be reduced from $40 billion to $20 billion. Specifically, SoftBank agreed to provide an initial $10 billion in April 2025, with an additional $30 billion to follow by the end of 2025, contingent on the successful transition to a for-profit structure.

zonchao: nvm

zonchao: > The federal judge, Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers, denied Musk's request to pause OpenAI's transition to a for-profit model while the lawsuit is ongoing. Instead, the judge opted for an expedited trial, scheduling it for spring 2026.

memlaswaif: <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>

_cloudost:

burnytech: https://fxtwitter.com/arithmoquine/status/1908288939586445324

oimrqs: What I love about all this industry is that we will know how right people are pretty quickly, within 3 years this all will be settled

.wolfnacht: would be better if there was just phonk instead of that weebshit.

memlaswaif: yeah i couldn't help but cringe

oimrqs: It's fun

retrerox: With a anime girl next to it will make people to not be afraid of ai?

memlaswaif: <:hmmmm:869656993999249508>

memlaswaif: maybe

retrerox: I kinda see weird we make ai good on politics. Cuz the only reason why we need politicians is because people are dumb in general

retrerox: We either exitint or we live without needing to work again

retrerox: Dying allow us to not need to work again so kinda win win?

memlaswaif: <:concernedpoliwhirl:1313314818907832421> what r u sayin

retrerox: Exactly

memlaswaif: <@636544123096137738> would u rather die than work

retrerox: On my current Job? Nah I’m good

.wolfnacht: idk abt him but i would.

wellmeaningalien: being unemployed is so fucking boring

spicy.lemonade: Next 2 weeks will be hella hype

spicy.lemonade: I can feel it

spicy.lemonade: Ngl

spicy.lemonade: Every week has been hype

spicy.lemonade: lol

zoermena: Working is better than classes not gonna lie

zoermena: I genuinely feel like I’m doing something useful and valuable beyond the paycheck I get

futurist_wizard: That's a bad mindset going forward as automation potentially increases

.wolfnacht: anything is better than weeb and furry shit

destrucules: Gemini 1.0 Pro = median human intelligence
Gemini 1.5 Pro (May) = median human PhD intelligence
Gemini 2.0 Flash 001 = human domain expert superscore intelligence
Gemini 2.5 Pro = frontier AI intelligence

hikukomoru: >phonk
🤮

hikukomoru: Wjat is going to happen in the next 2 weeks

spicy.lemonade: Qwen is going to drop their frontier model

spicy.lemonade: Deepseek r2

spicy.lemonade: Llama 4

.wolfnacht: i was abt to say "russian hardbass" but i thought ppl would yell on me abt my music choice, so i said phonk instead


futurist_wizard: I understand the cult aspect

sarik0497: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1jirod9/how_are_you_all_so_stupid/ Just a quick example.

darkstar0818: FractualComputer has not yet discovered his inner Lisan Al Gaib and went full on God Emperor on you gooner and politically captured peeps 🙂

hey1_1hey: 0 upvotes 41 comments IS CRAZY

precariousworlds.: It's a pendulum
Either gargling sams balls or wanting to bomb data centers yudkowsky-style

sarik0497: https://tenor.com/view/dune-stilgar-lisanalgaib-fremen-lisan-al-gaib-gif-13633185611076219756

ailoveyoom: But that's like 99% of the server membership 🥺

fractalcomputer: The user has been permabanned.

hikukomoru: r/singularity has two sides
Techno-Hitler, and Ted Kaczysnki

joaoluz19: We need a goonvolution

precariousworlds.: genuinely lol

darkstar0818: https://tenor.com/bhOEU.gif

futurist_wizard: Guy literally says the singularity is a cool idea? You can't have any criticism even surrounding the topic of ai!?

sarik0497: <:shockedpikachu:1187466564551852175> Yikes. So much power!

ailoveyoom: You now have blood on your hands...

joaoluz19:

hikukomoru: Gooners are being opressed ✊

joaoluz19: Any criticism of singularity -> referral to FDVR eternal hell

futurist_wizard: Well if r/singularity is meant to be a escapism fantasy thats cool an all but i thought it was for people actually interested in ai

st.sioux: it is bro you're making a huge deal out of a joke

st.sioux: chill

futurist_wizard: It isn't a joke the guy got perma'd

darkstar0818: The outstanding question is how much compute do we dedicate to it.  More compute means more suffering (more time).

joaoluz19: They removed the post lol, was fractal?

precariousworlds.: Unironically 1984

hey1_1hey: porb

hey1_1hey: prob

joaoluz19: We will have more computation than necessary to emulate an infinity of worlds

hikukomoru: This reminds me when Jordan Peterson tweeted about Chinese torture chambers or something and it was a screenshot of a fetish video

joaoluz19: The eternal prison for the heretics of singularity is well reserved

sarik0497: Like I said, I don't mind criticism, and his was a quick example. But there are plenty of comments complaining about X, Y, and Z.

Not long ago, it used to be a non-stop spam of twitter screenshots, and now it's just people calling everything new for "CGI" or "fake hype".

precariousworlds.: link

joaoluz19: Loooooool

sarik0497: https://tenor.com/view/yongbi-kim-ashita-no-joe-wash-hands-blood-on-hands-tomorrow%27s-joe-gif-5020483832342128195

darkstar0818: Infinity detected, sus level increased.

joaoluz19: Gigachad Fractal

hikukomoru:

precariousworlds.: lmao

joaoluz19: Somebody akes a gigachad version of lovecraft please

joaoluz19: To my physics teacher, infinity is trivial