spicy.lemonade: they came out at around the same time. maybe 3

spicy.lemonade: thats not my point

jardineirsbro:

spicy.lemonade: my point is humans copy too

oooooooooog: also its the left person again

oooooooooog: not the right

spicy.lemonade: if humans didnt copy

spicy.lemonade: it wouldnt even look similar

spicy.lemonade: not even slightly

oooooooooog: well yeah

anathemaofmankind: You should post this on r/singularity

spicy.lemonade: nope

oooooooooog: how do you think TV shows with animators maintain a constant appearance lol

spicy.lemonade: it was the right

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: the guy on right drew that

oooooooooog: the signature is the same as the left person's

oooooooooog: thats how i got the other image too lol

spicy.lemonade: its a colab. colored by left drawn by right

spicy.lemonade: lol

.histic: they say, "it's slop".
but my rebuttal is imagine losing to slop.
imagine slop being far better than what you can create in ur lifetime.

spicy.lemonade: jim lee and jason fabok

spicy.lemonade: lmao

oooooooooog: anyway, the reason they look similar is because they are supposed to look similar. copying isnt inherently bad, but these people arent claiming to be eachother

oooooooooog: copying is bad when it is fraud

spicy.lemonade: ik

spicy.lemonade: im just saying

spicy.lemonade: humans work the same way ai do

spicy.lemonade: if AI is slop and copy

spicy.lemonade: then human is too

spicy.lemonade: flew too close to the sun

st.sioux: jesus christ xai website is so bad, i cant even create an account

.histic: hey you found my pic 🫡

.histic: bug?

st.sioux: idk, i click create then it just sends me to login then i try to login and it doesnt do anything, not even an error message, then i sign up again and it does the same thing

connorsphone.: 😬

anathemaofmankind: <@430269783112548362>

.histic: i once had an error message signing up to xitter.
and it gave me a weird error code, and i realized why it did that...

.histic: i forgot exactly, but i think it was connected to my name or my email address

.histic: like a unique character that fucked the system up


metaldragon01: gotta be a troll.

zoermena: https://videos.openai.com/vg-assets/assets%2Ftask_01jq84yp2nfz1vdks6103dvm8z%2Fimg_1.webp?st=2025-03-26T01%3A11%3A22Z&se=2025-04-01T02%3A11%3A22Z&sks=b&skt=2025-03-26T01%3A11%3A22Z&ske=2025-04-01T02%3A11%3A22Z&sktid=a48cca56-e6da-484e-a814-9c849652bcb3&skoid=aa5ddad1-c91a-4f0a-9aca-e20682cc8969&skv=2019-02-02&sv=2018-11-09&sr=b&sp=r&spr=https%2Chttp&sig=T4KOLnWv%2BTZay%2B%2B1Hkr1QgFFgGf8QnU0e%2BjHeP%2FwTHI%3D&az=oaivgprodscus

anathemaofmankind: Broke ass

st.sioux: it wont bro

st.sioux: i think

st.sioux: idk i might be spreading misinformation but i dont think so

zoermena: This image gen is absolutely bonkers I swear

st.sioux: nvm it is misinformation, it will

brain4brain: What the actual fuck happened today, Gemin-2.5, Brampton, 4o-image?!?

anathemaofmankind: I honestly want them to just keep it for plus

anathemaofmankind: Normies don't deserve this

st.sioux: bro brampton has to be fake

thedon7075: Google back on top

st.sioux: its just a shitpost

brain4brain: I don’t fucking know right

thedon7075: OpenAI used to be 6 months ahead, now they are slowly losing their advantage

anathemaofmankind: What?

brain4brain: They are still 6 months ahead

brain4brain: They just don’t ship

zoermena: Half a trillion data center being built for them in the next 4 years

brain4brain: OpenAI slander will NOT be tolerated

anathemaofmankind: 4o image gen is way better than Gemini right now

st.sioux: their image gen is ahead and they shipped

anathemaofmankind: Not even close

thedon7075: Lets see if GPT 5 delivers

brain4brain: Yes, exactly, OpenAI is always better, they just don’t ship

zoermena: For your profile picture did you do the finger?

anathemaofmankind: I used Gemini for my current pfp

anathemaofmankind: I'm planning to change it

brain4brain: I still can’t wrap my mind around the three releases of today

.histic:

zoermena: Three?

anathemaofmankind: 4o image gen alone is blowing my mind

anathemaofmankind: I still can't believe this is a thing even while I'm using it

ldj: Deepseek update, gemini 2.5 pro, and native image gen for 4o

st.sioux: hey do you know about that brampton stuff?

st.sioux: its a joke right?

metaldragon01: crazy 24 hours

anathemaofmankind: I'm feeing the AGI so hard

metaldragon01: the new gemini is so good


supersteve8000: ong 🍉

supersteve8000: ⚔ = code

oooooooooog: https://tenor.com/view/touhou-reimu-hakurei-reimu-reimu-watermelon-gif-25292031

supersteve8000: fr fr lemme go into the void and do this brb

inferno0879: there would be nothing left

oooooooooog: doesn't most of that happen in off topic though

oooooooooog: only a cumulative 2k mentions of "autism, retard, gay" in gen 1

oooooooooog: actually... off topic has way less

oooooooooog: nvm

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: the admins and mods don't care, they will talk about everything in here

st.sioux: maybe you just need more test bro

st.sioux: start lifting more

st.sioux: you think fractal needs more test

st.sioux: ??

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: the server staff here doesn't actually care about the Singularity

st.sioux: low test

st.sioux: dude was super racist

st.sioux: like unapologetically

brain4brain: https://copilot.microsoft.com/wham?features=labs-wham-enabled

wellmeaningalien: midcrosoft copooplot

wellmeaningalien: its fine

st.sioux: this screams low test to me bro

st.sioux: 🤢 🤮

inferno0879: lol

brain4brain: https://x.com/hesamation/status/1908631442902376448?s=61

brain4brain: AI generated videogame, only good feature of it

st.sioux:

st.sioux: i got like 3 fps

wellmeaningalien: what is that lol

wellmeaningalien: is that lik a fully ai generated game a la google doom

brain4brain: It’s running on your own browser

brain4brain: Does it have spatial memory I can’t test it

wellmeaningalien: i think u can use ur spatial intelligence to tell

st.sioux: yea i think so

brain4brain: Anyone wanna play Minecraft?

brain4brain: It seems to remember the field in the middle but I’m not sure if it’s real or some clever trick that only work for this map

st.sioux: i would test it more but its super hard to control, arrow key movement and low fps

wellmeaningalien: i think we know with google doom that there's no special trick beyond just pure memorization

brain4brain: This is like the computer ping pong

brain4brain: Super scuff


sweetievee__33649: I like grok and chatgpt personally

sweetievee__33649: grok just tells it to you straight

ailoveyoom: Ye but I was talking about his rizz

ailoveyoom: His sauce

benata: I paid for all of the models

ailoveyoom: His jizz

benata: I can easily say the best were GPT-4o and Gemini 2.5 pro

benata: Not saying Grok is bad but 2.5 Pro is another level

sweetievee__33649: i feel like claude gives off more pretty princess vibes than any other model

st.sioux: grok is bad

ailoveyoom: Either gender works, bro tries to play nice but is actually FREAKY af

benata: I disagree sioux

sweetievee__33649: claude is freaky asf if you want it to be

futurist_wizard:

sweetievee__33649: or so ive heard

zoermena: I haven’t used 2.5 at all not gonna lie

ailoveyoom: Imo Grok and 4o both have that flavor of being too much of a tryhard

sweetievee__33649: poor cat

ailoveyoom: BRoooooooooooooo you're missing out

ailoveyoom: Use it now

sweetievee__33649: looking cuffuffled

futurist_wizard: The cat likes it

ailoveyoom: <:angreydoggo:1136266744881754142>

st.sioux: 4o is fine grok just makes me cringe

st.sioux: honestly

sweetievee__33649: do you like being hit on the head with a hammer

st.sioux: i guess its cool if youre into that sort of stuff

ailoveyoom: Yeah I'm saying I feel the same with 4o specifically IN normal convo

ailoveyoom: Idk, it's just too nice?? In that weird saccharine way

sweetievee__33649: cringy ai models 🫦

futurist_wizard: It would move otherwise, its ears are also up

benata: Are you guys cat experts or sth?

futurist_wizard: I have one

sweetievee__33649: maybe they cast a hex on it

drewsni:

sweetievee__33649: that sure does depend

sweetievee__33649: what is this "very complicated problem"

zoermena: Is it available?

drewsni: openrouter

sweetievee__33649: how many rs are in strawberry or program me the entire observerable universe to a 1:1 scale using less than a gb of ram


zonchao: (I DID NOT WORK ON LLAMA 4)

rayanquitplayin: You worked on Llama 4?

alejandrozarzuelo: I don't disagree, I do think we will have some off billion androids in the 2040s

I disagree with the curve to get there

literallyvarane: 8:30+ is really weird? He just blatantly says they tuned for the leaderboard, but doesn’t really explain *why.*

It’s a “yeah everyone knows it can be gamed. We gamed it.”

zonchao: no, was joking about a researcher saying he did not work on llama 4 on his linkedin cus the model sucks so bad, if you worked on it you have less aura points<:LOL:1187460826572005436>

ldj: 2T was already confirmed by Meta weeks ago btw

rayanquitplayin: I see, 😂

zonchao: zucc been fumbling his rebrand recently

literallyvarane: It’s a really interesting interview though. For me it’s quite clear he’s not really even *aiming* for AGI, he’s aiming for a good product to exist within Meta’s existing apps.

literallyvarane: Not terribly shocking, but for me at least confirms META isn’t the same tier of lab as the big 3 US.

ailoveyoom: A king fumbles from time to time (Google) but look at them now 😍

ailoveyoom: Hope he makes a comeback 🙏

zonchao: 4*

return_to_monke1_33974: opinion (true facts): all companies should give all the compute to OpenAI and Google

zonchao: dont want another 4.5

return_to_monke1_33974: dont want another gronk 3

zonchao: <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>

ldj: Well he also quite literally said AI programmers will be taking over most of METAs coding work within 18 months

ldj: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

return_to_monke1_33974:

zonchao: he said mid 2025 last year <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

ldj: We’re almost there

ldj: <a:mhm:1241863658284253264>

ldj: But tbh, the usefulness in vibe coding over the past 12 months has actually been an insane progression

zonchao: gronk 3.5 better have big brain mode or im throwing hands

sarik0497: Humans have been doing that since the dawn of our race's birth.

Why does the sun rise every morning? Must be a God.
Why did the crops fail? We must have displeased the Gods.

Only later did we start to look really into the reasoning for these events. To deny us the ability to entertain different hypothetical scenarios would be to take away our humanity.

And besides, are we not doing this exactly right now with AI? Imaging how they might react to humanity once they grow powerful enough?

ailoveyoom: I mean tbf, unlike OAI and Anthropic, Meta doesn't really need 'money' the way those two need it.

I mean like, their AI isn't their main source of revenue, their already existing products are. So to them, it makes sense to think of AI as something to integrate into their products then the products themselves. If that makes sense.

literallyvarane: Still 3 for me

literallyvarane: Fair, but I do feel like that’s not the *primary* goal.

return_to_monke1_33974: also Google doesnt necesarry need investments and hype (like some AGI Before 2030 deniers say)
Google has insane amounts of revenue

zonchao: https://x.com/techdevnotes/status/1917225162707005780

zonchao: <a:mhm:1277135886320009316>

return_to_monke1_33974: image taking 2 years olds and training them with data trough NeuraLink like we do with GPT's

ailoveyoom: Yeah, Google is similar to Meta in that way

ailoveyoom: But Google also has Deepmind, so 😈

zonchao: demis collab with xAI games(confirmed (by me))

himekokatagiri: Let them grow up

himekokatagiri: too early

ldj: Lol no mention of Anthropic

himekokatagiri: I think childhood should be experienced


oooooooooog: no

ailoveyoom: I meant like your handie sucks 😔

oooooooooog: they are still considered men

futurist_wizard: Did he reject your advances?

hikukomoru: No

sarik0497: Lol. Didn’t we already figure out that we’re around the same age?

hey1_1hey: You try and give handies to all tanks screaming MEDIC at you. Its hard work yanno

.wolfnacht:

hikukomoru: Wait MichMach is 30?

hey1_1hey: NO SHOT

ailoveyoom: Nah bro I'm 20 😭

hikukomoru: I thought MichMach was like 16 or smth

hey1_1hey: Oh thank god

hey1_1hey: I imagine you to be like 15-16

hikukomoru: Wait weren't you 12

ailoveyoom: 💀

hikukomoru: Or am I tripping

hey1_1hey: I was gonna make a joke about my age then

futurist_wizard: You all act 13

hey1_1hey: Almost got band

.wolfnacht: 🤝  i just entered in 20s on 16th march, i hate it now.

hikukomoru: I can't believe you're the same age as me
How is that possible
You give me teenage boy vibes

sarik0497: Wauw.

…I still hope I make it <:sadge:892224282363588679>

.wolfnacht: i wanna go back being 17

ailoveyoom: It's my inner child 🥺

hikukomoru: That's a compliment
Being young is awesome

hey1_1hey: Could've worderd that better 😭

hey1_1hey: Agreed, I wish I was 13. I could get away with so much shit

hikukomoru: My brain never aged past 12

hey1_1hey: Nutrient deficiency

sarik0497: Am I really at that age now where everything is “old” 💀

oooooooooog: fluoride poisoning

hikukomoru: Yeah you're 30 right
30+ is ancient

ailoveyoom: Bro is 28 smh

oooooooooog: ur getting up in the years grandpa

hey1_1hey: Poor darkstar man

hikukomoru: Gramps not gonna make it to LEV 🙏

hey1_1hey: He must feel like a right acindent mf

.wolfnacht: a person's who's 30 rn would be around 50-60s when AGi would arrive

sarik0497: Oh, sweetheart. If only you knew. It’ll come for you too.


wellmeaningalien: why is gemini 2.0 flash above gemini 2.5 pro

spicy.lemonade: gemini 2.5 pro better cost $0.00001

theaiguy69420_89814: Maybe a system where the innovator finds the symbolic meaning in the questions and then has a back and forth with the reasoning models

theaiguy69420_89814: For an answer

_cloudost: Can't wait

aero447: I was right.

aero447: T'was shit.

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: acceleration

spicy.lemonade: looks like benchmarks will just go straight up

ldj: The age of standalone reasoners was short-lived and temporary, the age of unified dynamic thinkers is here 🙏

ldj: tbh Claude-3.7 is only like a half way unified model, since it's one model but still 2 different modes of using the model that the user has to manually select between

ailoveyoom: Does 2.5 Pro Exp count as a fully unified thinker then?

ldj: ye

ldj: <a:mhm:1241863658284253264>

ldj: it's arguably the first one

zonchao: did oai censor Ghibli?

hey1_1hey: Not to my knowledge no

hey1_1hey: I think 4o got a little confused though. I just saw it reason for a split second <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>

metaldragon01: No skill issue

metaldragon01:

zonchao: oo

alejandrozarzuelo: AGI is not close apparently

alejandrozarzuelo: sad

spicy.lemonade: this isnt o3 level

spicy.lemonade: deepmind couldve pushed it max

spicy.lemonade: like o3

spicy.lemonade: and got 90+ score

spicy.lemonade: but they gave us something we can used

alejandrozarzuelo: why is progress so slow

alejandrozarzuelo: ahhhhhhhh

spicy.lemonade: We’ve gotten 2 sota models per month

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: 2-3

alejandrozarzuelo: dots?

spicy.lemonade: Sota

alejandrozarzuelo: yeah but still arc2 is on single digits

spicy.lemonade: Arc 2 just came out

spicy.lemonade: Why would they make a benchmark that’d get saturated day 1

spicy.lemonade: Likeley arc2 will be saturated in no time


ailoveyoom: Don't disturb a man mid goon

ailoveyoom: Bro code

hey1_1hey: Did they get the death penalty

spicy.lemonade: i could prob generate a 50 page batman comic now

hikukomoru: Yeah I'm sorry I gave Lovecraft a blackface 😔

wellmeaningalien: u already doxxed urself, hp lovecraft

trent_k: until today it was basically just goontech + a logo generator

maintcrew: last year laptop cpu but i'll be fine if i need it a lot i'll just spin up a cluster or some shit in my room

do u have any stability problems

hey1_1hey: I wonder how good its logos are now

hikukomoru: Still is just goontech

hikukomoru: That's why it's great

ailoveyoom: Now it's goontech + logo generator 2.0 (+ some other things)

fractalcomputer: I suppose that I am to take this as good news?

hey1_1hey: Someone who has access to it can you generate logos please 🙏

maintcrew: example: most youtube videos are now absolute slop with absolute slop thumbnail made by dall e

wellmeaningalien: nope sometimes i get stability issues when i dont update my packages in awhile and then update them but if u update semi regularly and have ur system configurated properly u should be fine to go

trent_k: i have a request for someone with 4o paypig tier

maintcrew: ok last question is the community cool + do yall have a lot of packages or do i need to learn how to package gentoo packages myself

trent_k: some chinese girl posted these in the r/chatgpt discord like a year or so ago. if someone could translate them to english but keep the handwriting that would be cool

maintcrew: the definition or whatever im aware i compile it anyway

wellmeaningalien: dude theres a daycare center in my city with an ai logo and a tech shop with an ai illustration on it. plus my mall uses ai pictures too

wellmeaningalien: sooo clearly dall-e

wellmeaningalien: what is this??

hikukomoru: Wtf is this

joaoluz19:

hikukomoru: Ew

spicy.lemonade: atleast theyl look better

st.sioux: her victims

hey1_1hey: These litterly look like schzioposts

trent_k: bizarre drawings by a chinese child

hey1_1hey: What a cutie patootie

maintcrew: is she ... an actual schizo ...

hikukomoru: Chinese schizo girl

trent_k: i put it in google translate once and it has their blood types listed lmao

maintcrew: need me that chinese spy schizo pussy

wellmeaningalien: well be careful if u arent sufficiently versed in linux theyre gonna give u shit lol but theyre generally pretty ok

hey1_1hey: Prob not a good start

wellmeaningalien: and yeah there are a lot of packages + an AUR like package overlay system (not as supported tho)

maintcrew: nah in asian culture blood types are like zodiacs

hey1_1hey: WHAT


spicy.lemonade: fuck labs

spicy.lemonade: yes

spicy.lemonade: im a swe for berkeley

spicy.lemonade: (as job)

joaoluz19: guys thinking about working on a paper with mathematical foundations of waifus

futurist_wizard: Like Caster Semenya, a person with a vagina and undescended testicles, they also have a very deep voice, i like using her as an example when people just call gender 'strict biological realities'

joaoluz19: If anyone knows of similar work

trojan09205: Have you considered just doing your homework and turning them into git repos and use that as a portfolio resume

anathemaofmankind: Gender isn't a strictly biological reality but sex is for most people

spicy.lemonade: useless in age of AI

spicy.lemonade: o3 could do my hw and what not

trojan09205: I disagree. Im a senior SWE

trojan09205: Having a git showcase is great for jobs

spicy.lemonade: quality over quantity imo

spicy.lemonade: im just trying to internship max

trojan09205: Especially if you beef it up and include Ci/cd and infrastructure as code

okbut: feelsgoodman.jpg

trojan09205: Are you in a masters program

spicy.lemonade: they gave me opportunity to integrate AI/llms into berkeley systems so illuse that as great resume pad

spicy.lemonade: freshman

anathemaofmankind: Why even talk about jobs when AGI will arrive in a few years.

It's so over

trojan09205: O i c

fractalcomputer: I think certain Discord servers would become much nicer environs if users were forced to provide proof of speaking and writing English to a respectable degree.

trojan09205: I very often try to share internship and mentor opportunities from my company but usually its for masters or phd students

spicy.lemonade: III will still have a job. i go to a top1-2 cs uni

spicy.lemonade: idk about normies

ailoveyoom: Tbf that's what they all say tho

okbut: I hope to see more out of their robotics program regarding AI and data

trojan09205: Jobs are all about doing things in reality and basically also being business savvy

okbut: Robots is so short on data for AI it's scary

anathemaofmankind: AI would just self teach in a simulation

trojan09205: Im a more AI augmentation person vs let AI just do its own thing

okbut: Wrappercelled

spicy.lemonade: nah normies just make up reasons

fractalcomputer: Right. Definitely nothing like that going on here.

trojan09205: <@471334973379706900> are you into machine learning and data science

spicy.lemonade: I got in for the most competative major(eecs which is seperate from straight cs) at top 1-2 cs uni.

spicy.lemonade: ill be fine

spicy.lemonade: and I already have a job before freshman year is over

joaoluz19: It's over


st.sioux: i mean nothing as in its super cheap in terms of cost/benefit

_3sphere: That's singularity shit 😭

literallyvarane: That’s how I’m viewing level 4 tbh.

3ds0662: would it be hilarious if discords started group funding to use the 20k plan

hey1_1hey: Which one of you mfs posted this image the other day?

a1c4p0ne: Plebs won't be able to use it

hey1_1hey: I was just looking at the artist who made the song I am listening to and this is one of the images in his slide

_3sphere: Maybe the more serious discords like EAI might

literallyvarane: If anything level 4 and 5 are more A and B than nature progressions.

st.sioux: what is level 5?

st.sioux: god?

_3sphere: otherwise good luck finding 20 singularitycord degens who can actually contribute 1k to this

.histic: <@505313122802728972>

literallyvarane: Organizational if I recall

st.sioux: im convinced most people here are unemployed

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-cillian-murphy-cillian-murphy-peaky-blinders-gif-1787947313354313976

3ds0662: maybe a year of crowd funding would allow 20k plan use for a discord instead of spending on nitro and boosting the server

hey1_1hey: Anyone but Komoru I beg

literallyvarane:

3ds0662: 😭

literallyvarane: Which… is it harder for AI to replace a multiple companies, or invent new science? 🧫

3ds0662: I guess the singularity will just eat the poor lol

3ds0662: I thought it was going to create new millionaires

3ds0662: tf is this 20k plan shit lol

literallyvarane: I think those are just two different questions, not two consecutive ones

.histic: new science
if it's truly groundbreaking or innovative new science

st.sioux: could there be any possibility that they add the level 4 AI to the API? like pay $500 instead of $20000 for like 8 hours or some shit

.histic: like what if those companies work complexity is quite shallow? unless it's automating a company that is a research lab, then yeah.

3ds0662: I hope so, sama has to serve it else he's just doing monetary favoritism

.histic: oh yeah, physical jobs would be hard too lol
need robotics for that.

st.sioux: companies that don't require physical interaction with the world will be relatively easy

st.sioux: yea

literallyvarane: This is kinda my point tbh.

I don’t think it’s *impossible* that current models, with enough scaffolding, could replace a lot of misc companies wholesale.

Honestly I think 4 and 5 are extensions of two different questions.

a1c4p0ne: you did it wrong

st.sioux: think 1 guy doing 10 things vs 10 guys doing 1 thing

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/goku-gokussj3-ssj3-gokuss3-dbz-gif-6423143817581122789

literallyvarane: 4 is the natural progression of creativity and intelligence.

5 is the natural progression of reliability, hallucination reduction and robustness.

wellmeaningalien: hello im here to see mr agi

wellmeaningalien: i think openai made up a bunch of vague shit

literallyvarane: How are you suppose to do it? Because I 10000% did that before and it worked.


czdct: we got better AI image generations

czdct: but at what cost?

hey1_1hey: The more you look into the worse it gets

czdct: it's the filth that just keeps rotting away

czdct: I don't even want to know what the prompt was tbh

alejandrozarzuelo: btw, the male smurfs are all just the reproductive organs of smurphette, they live in a hive

hey1_1hey: Oh ok its a naked smurf
Oh ok its looking out at d-day

hey1_1hey: I do

hey1_1hey: I am curios

czdct: thank you for ruining my childhood at 3AM in the morning

hey1_1hey: Also he hits calfs and glutes 6x a week which is crazy

alejandrozarzuelo: ruining your childhood? dude thats how thousands of insect species work

alejandrozarzuelo: its not disturbing or anything

alejandrozarzuelo: its just a fact of the smurf species

czdct: yeah he has an amazing physique

hey1_1hey: If only he wasn't a smurf

hey1_1hey: How do you know about this though is my question...

hey1_1hey: Its not just common knowledge that everyone is born with

memlaswaif: <@312370916820779040> should we listen to this guy

czdct: yea he's basically built like a silver back gorilla...

hey1_1hey: Omg your right

hey1_1hey: Thats some crazy pattern recognition

hey1_1hey: Putting LLMs to shame

czdct: it's not something I should be proud of

ailoveyoom: https://discord.com/channels/1136230110261952532/1136230110891081821/1356003548751728760

czdct: I know...

metaldragon01: Qwen 3 is coming pretty soon

metaldragon01: Likely in next 2 weeks. Maybe this week.

czdct: https://x.com/MikeTyson/status/1905029341752467881

czdct: mike tyson is wildin

czdct: ai image generators might go mainstream...

alejandrozarzuelo: the smurfs are a colony species with a female reproductive hierarchy

since there is a massive gender imbalance in the species can only suggest that smurfette can produce males without fertilization, and they serve as workers

we see that since smurfette doesnt have a "trade" she specializes on, she is just the female, while each of the males has its own task inside the colony, builder, farmer, intellectual...

whenever the smurf colony needs a new female, smurfette gets impregnated by one or more of the male smurfs to build a semen reserve from which female smurfs will hatch

Usually the males die afterwards but in the smurf species we see very longeve individuals so it is likely that this is not the case in this species

this is how all colony species work

hey1_1hey: Oh yeah yanno... Common information

hey1_1hey: We all know that obv

alejandrozarzuelo: yeah, thats basic non-vertebrate biology 101

alejandrozarzuelo: its pretty obvious a colony species

hey1_1hey: I for one didn't know that. Not sure if anyone else was thinking about that but hey ho

alejandrozarzuelo: just because they are intelligent doesnt change their basic reproductive structure

hey1_1hey: Thats not my issue. My issue is that why were you thinking about it in that way 😭

alejandrozarzuelo: dude, everyone thought of that the moment they thought for a second about the smurfd


st.sioux: gotta get that phd

spicy.lemonade: It’s insaneeeeeeee

alejandrozarzuelo: so i am wayyyyyy behind the news

alejandrozarzuelo: excuse me

.histic: 4o made the average redditor

spicy.lemonade: I think image gen is a solved problem

spicy.lemonade: Officially

alejandrozarzuelo: the phd position, and yeah finally my supervisor is answering me back ahain

alejandrozarzuelo: yayyyy

alejandrozarzuelo: also thats why i am super busy

alejandrozarzuelo: srry bros

777agical: https://x.com/aravsrinivas/status/1905001410858799522

st.sioux: no

st.sioux: i mean its pretty close

spicy.lemonade: There’s minor errors but they plan to integrate reasoning

alejandrozarzuelo: not completely solved they still arent quite perfect

BUT DAMNNNNN

alejandrozarzuelo: LIKE

alejandrozarzuelo: OMG

spicy.lemonade: I
Mean architecturaly

alejandrozarzuelo: its sooooooo good

alejandrozarzuelo: i cant really believe it is that good

spicy.lemonade: Fr

st.sioux: yea i wasnt expecting it to be this good

alejandrozarzuelo: why would anyone pay for graphic designers again?

technocake.: visual reasoning will be big

spicy.lemonade: Visual reasoning will be the key to sora 2

spicy.lemonade: <:ez:1136267305521774634>

alejandrozarzuelo: (btw graphic design is my passion so i am not threatened by this as i never made any money from it it was just for hobby)

st.sioux: hire 1 graphic designer to do the work of 10

alejandrozarzuelo: the opposite actually

ailoveyoom: Never seen u this hyped

ailoveyoom: Cute 🥺

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: Gary Marcus

spicy.lemonade: lol

alejandrozarzuelo: i mean yeah currently it isnt just perfect so you still probably need someone

spicy.lemonade: 1 month later

spicy.lemonade: After he posted

.histic: just imagine how good it will be within 2 years.

spicy.lemonade: It was solved


joaoluz19: "Purely academic" was a exageration by my part but here it is

darkstar0818: Didn't know HOI4 was made by them.  How is it?

darkstar0818: or which of those is best

hikukomoru: It’s… lacking
And a bit too simple

hikukomoru: My fave is Ck2
There’s Ck3 too but it still lacks too many features from ck2

darkstar0818: Remind me to keep the ASI away from you.  I sense a little napoleon in you.

darkstar0818: What are we debating again?

joaoluz19: Wtf?

darkstar0818: does this graph mean you are arguing that we have achieved AGI?

joaoluz19: <@241872381906386944>

joaoluz19: No, it means we have exponential growth in AI research and market impact compared to pre-2022.

darkstar0818: Wait so AI was invented in 2012?

darkstar0818: where is the development of artifical neural networks on that graph.   Or compute cluster developments.

darkstar0818: or the countless other algorthims and techniques which were being develoepd which all of this depends on.

joaoluz19: Just because all things are obviously built on previous ideas doesn't mean that previous progress was superior.

darkstar0818: What about the fact that a human from 2000 years ago score shit on that same benchmark 🙂

darkstar0818: well your average human anyway

darkstar0818: That goes both ways.

darkstar0818: You are the one making the claim that todays progress is special relative to the past.

joaoluz19: And what's the problem with that?

darkstar0818: Which means you have the honor of proving your case.

okbut: I feel like AI is undergoing polarization in its definition due to the ambiguity in "Neural net"

darkstar0818: I feel like people just vibe and self hype up and say some shit and then defend it like its their child.

okbut: El Ajedrecista, 1912, was AI born then?

abundantliving_: https://x.com/gregmushen/status/1911256730518098428

darkstar0818: I will go with ray kurzweil's definition of progress when it comes to AI.

joaoluz19: And I showed evidence. What was the criticism? That DMs are based on neural networks so previous progress was more/equal in impact to the current one?

darkstar0818: Its a continous curve.  Any 'special' event someone claims to see is just because they are choosing to ignore data.

joaoluz19: Or that I didn't show pre-2012 growth

joaoluz19: ?

spicy.lemonade: benchmark predictions for o4 mini?

darkstar0818:

metaldragon01: Slightly lower than og o3 benchmarks @pass 1

okbut: Cloud? Or energy?

dean_martin: Talking to your buddies in 2030 after AGI like “remember when we lost our shit over the dog putting his paws on the little keyboard”

spicy.lemonade: isnt that just gemini 2.5

spicy.lemonade: i dont think so

joaoluz19: What do you mean there is no special event? For you, did the 2022-2025 interval have the same impact seen throughout the 21st century as the interval, say, 2018-2022?

darkstar0818: Have you ever read the books that this channel is named after?

joaoluz19: Lol


spicy.lemonade: fr

wellmeaningalien: the real benchmark is with fiction bench

wellmeaningalien: and it fails haaaaaaaard

spicy.lemonade: meta had worse drop than 4.5

wellmeaningalien: cant wait for livebench lol

wellmeaningalien: ngl if livebench numbers are good then maybe i'll forgive but it's not looking good cause a lot of people are saying firsthand the models are pretty shit

wellmeaningalien: apparently its a tarded model

wellmeaningalien: also btw the context length of llama 4 is wors than llama 3.3

spicy.lemonade: I think if it fails at fictionbench then itl do bad at datanalysis portion of livebench

spicy.lemonade: damn

spicy.lemonade: and their model is quite large

wellmeaningalien: yeah the fact it fails that test means it's retarded if you try to talk it over stuff that's too complex and just retarded in general

spicy.lemonade: 2 trillion

wellmeaningalien: like a good dozen times

spicy.lemonade: not good

wellmeaningalien: 😂

wellmeaningalien: ok 2 trillion is not out

wellmeaningalien: their biggest model's like 400 or something lemme check

spicy.lemonade: oh yeah thats bahemoth

wellmeaningalien: 400b total parameters

wellmeaningalien: still no good

wellmeaningalien: being beaten out by 90b

wellmeaningalien: ok k well nvm it seems like theyre pretty on par but still its pretty shit lol

wellmeaningalien: and btw thats deepseek v3

wellmeaningalien: 🥱

futurist_wizard: What if LLM's really are trash

wellmeaningalien: thats an interesting thought to ponder futurist hill

wellmeaningalien: you could go ahead and put that idea in the trash too maybe

wellmeaningalien: btw 109b gets beaten by 70b

wellmeaningalien: 🥱 🥱 🥱 🥱

wellmeaningalien: meanwhil 70b gives 400b a run for its money...

wellmeaningalien: 🥱🥱🥱🥱

wellmeaningalien: meta should just let deepseek buy them out

futurist_wizard:

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/reeyarn-ballin-cell-gif-21096101

futurist_wizard: Just saying, consumers have barely had an upgrade since gpt4o

wellmeaningalien: oh the poor consumers who will think of the consumers

wellmeaningalien: llm power scaling really has gone so far people have forgotten how shit llms were and just how goated they have become

wellmeaningalien: frog being boiled

wellmeaningalien: aint have big ass jumps like gpt 3.5 to gpt 4 anymore


theaiguy69420_89814: Jesus

theaiguy69420_89814: That's huge for SWE

theaiguy69420_89814: No wonder lancer scores went from 0->100

theaiguy69420_89814:

.histic: same experience
https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1k0wmwi/critical_flaw_of_the_o3_model_incredibly_small/

metaldragon01: I got the model to output plenty of content.

I'll test code in a sec

wolf3404: https://x.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1912506404167893366

wolf3404: Grok is good with legal stuff

.histic: o3 and o4 seems to be less sycophant than 4o and even o3-mini.
whenever i explain it might be wrong it kind of just doubles down lol..

theaiguy69420_89814: yeah... Def using o4-mini instead of Claude...

ldj: Damn this is crazy, O3 scores more than double any other model on EmigmaEval prior to today.

Its an eval of long context multi-modal reasoning, targeting multi-step.

> “The benchmark comprises 1184 puzzles of varying complexity – each typically requiring teams of skilled solvers hours to days to complete”

> “probes models’ ability to perform implicit knowledge synthesis and multi-step deductive reasoning.”

ldj: Tbh I think this might be one of the best out of distribution diverse benchmarks rn, and overall my fav benchmark

- Doesn’t rely on knowledge like humanities last exam.

- Isn’t just a single class of puzzle design like arc-agi.

- has a much higher ceiling for human difficulty than arc-agi does

theaiguy69420_89814: Bruh...

theaiguy69420_89814: Such a copy cat

ldj: Oh my bad

ldj: Credit to you for posting it first lol

futurist_wizard: Jesus christ i just asked o3 'what is this' and it started having a seizure

futurist_wizard: Crashed my phone twice

zoermena: The context you gave does help

theaiguy69420_89814: I'd say SWE bench is saturated at this point

futurist_wizard: Wut

metaldragon01: yea something is bugged with the code output

theaiguy69420_89814: What was the request?

metaldragon01: just had it refractor some code. stops around 150 lines

ldj: With O3, or o4-mini

ldj: Or both

metaldragon01: even when i asked it to not use canvas its the same issue

metaldragon01: o4 mini

metaldragon01: no issue for writing fiction. Gives me....what i ask for

theaiguy69420_89814: Porn

metaldragon01: I dont do porn

theaiguy69420_89814:

metaldragon01: o3 doesn't have the 150 line problem that o4 mini has <@312370916820779040>

a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/dejavucoder/status/1912575555482055132?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg

ldj: Thanks for letting me know 👍

.histic: the medium variants of o3 and o4-mini are quite good it seems.
o4-mini-medium is what free users have access to too.

zonchao: head of ai from harvey is now at xai, not surprising

metaldragon01: free users having access might explain the code being so brief lol. They dont want it to get abused.

spicy.lemonade: o4 needs new arch

metaldragon01: its likely a system prompt issues thats global instead of just tagged on free accounts


hikukomoru: <@688807313015963693> have you already Ghiblified yourself

spicy.lemonade: It was only the beginning

alejandrozarzuelo: its worse, ive ghiblifurrified myself

truly an insult to life itself

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: Loll

joaoluz19: Maybe Fractal is right

joaoluz19: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

alejandrozarzuelo: (but i lowkey do look like it irl)

hikukomoru: I was askin because I remember you animefied yourself before 4o native image gen and posted it here

ailoveyoom: Oh so he started going right all the way back in 2022?

spicy.lemonade: yes

alejandrozarzuelo: ohhh you mean with my real pic

alejandrozarzuelo: no

alejandrozarzuelo: i dont have plus anymore

futurist_wizard: I was the first to Ghibli myself

alejandrozarzuelo: share

alejandrozarzuelo: but in <#1136231504440201216>

alejandrozarzuelo: not here

futurist_wizard:

hikukomoru: Drewsny was the first

spicy.lemonade: Lmao unhinged

spicy.lemonade: i might have written every single day

spicy.lemonade: one day ill give all of this to an llm

spicy.lemonade: and replicate my personality

a1c4p0ne: 4o new update

frittata: Pics or it didn’t happen

hikukomoru: It's his pfp

alejandrozarzuelo: I thought that <@505313122802728972> was talking about my new pfp

frittata: Early adopter

alejandrozarzuelo: Not real me

spicy.lemonade: I hated elon before it was cool

hikukomoru: You don't look like a gay fox irl?

alejandrozarzuelo: It's not a fox and it's not queer

alejandrozarzuelo: It's a fennec

hikukomoru: Fennec is fox

hikukomoru: Same thing

alejandrozarzuelo: I mean the same way a lion is a cat

hikukomoru: Lions are cats
Just big ones

frittata: That ain’t no furry it’s just an anthropomorphized cartoon animal <:bruh:1303825143344267305>

futurist_wizard: I've seen male lions fuck eachother though


metaldragon01: Ants don't see the stars either.

oooooooooog: pretty sure we got astronomers and what not

destrucules: Astronomers don't look for extraterrestrial intelligence

anathemaofmankind: Some of them are?

destrucules: How many?

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/green-alien-dance-area-52-ufo-gif-1248165054330583464

anathemaofmankind: https://www.space.com/space-exploration/search-for-life/nasa-wants-a-super-hubble-space-telescope-to-search-for-life-on-alien-worlds

destrucules: Did you read the article?

clevermoniker: when will something actually cool happen like new form of energy or cheaper food happen? <:huh:1136266753656238243>

st.sioux: next 5 years

zoermena: 2030 & beyond maybe

zoermena: Well cheaper food is just a question of companies not being greedy af

destrucules: Spectroscopy of exoplanets is not the same as looking for free floating space probes. Looking for chemical disequilibria in faraway atmospheres is not looking for alien civilizations.

zoermena: And fighting corruption

st.sioux: fusion has been pretty close for a while i dont know if its like that close tho

destrucules: Furthermore, this is an idea, not something that actually exists right now.

anathemaofmankind: I mean a dyson sphere would be pretty noticeable by using our satellites

destrucules: Really? Pray tell - what would we expect to see?

st.sioux: https://www.seti.org/

destrucules: SETI is a private institute, not publicly funded

professorheaven: That’s like taking a spoon and submerging it in the ocean and when nothing shows up on your spoon you claim “life does not exist in the entire ocean”

anathemaofmankind: A star being dimmer than what should be

destrucules: How do you know that a star is dimmer than it should be?

anathemaofmankind: Because light is being siphoned by the sphere

destrucules: No I mean, you look at a star, it has luminosity L. How do you know if L is "too low" and therefore indicates a Dyson swarm?

oooooooooog: you can't really

anathemaofmankind: I'm not an astronomer so here is ChatGPT's explanation

destrucules: (for the record, Dyson swarms are *not* actually dimmer than the stars they encapsulate - I can explain what the actual observational signature is, but I think it's important we go through the exercise so you see and feel for yourself that this is not trivial)

destrucules: I would love to chat with an LLM about this but right now I'm talking to you about it. Please don't substitute an LLM for your own intelligence

oooooooooog: i took astronomy guys

oooooooooog: i even presented a sick poster at a college and ate like 6 huge cookies

destrucules: Okay, perfect. So <@560984241526013954> what is the observational signature of a Dyson swarm?

oooooooooog: it was great

anathemaofmankind: How is this different from using google?

I'm not an expert nor did I claim otherwise. And I can't give you an explanation for hypothetical stellar physics

oooooooooog: probably, like, cool looking swooshes and stuff right?

oooooooooog: anyway, it's certainly not something likely to be in the area we can even observe (at star level), which is only a few hundered million light years

destrucules: Inside your own brain, you believe that if alien civilizations were common, we'd have spotted one. I'm trying to explain why that's not true. And to do that, we have to discuss how astronomy actually works and what specifically we'd have to measure to find a Dyson swarm. And then we have to talk about the actual surveys that have been done (there are very, very few) and what they found, because you probably think we've found nothing, but that's not the case. Every survey we've done for Dyson swarms has returned candidates we've yet to rule out.

oooooooooog: i think it's moreso that they would have eradicated us by now

oooooooooog: expanding at a significant fraction of C and all

destrucules: No lol. The signature we usually look for is infrared excess. So, in other words, the star will have a temperature T and a luminosity L, and T will be smaller than L implies, i.e. L will be larger than T implies. This is the exact observational signature of a subgiant star, which makes it virtually impossible to distinguish Dyson swarms from subgiant stars.


maintcrew: devious work

futurist_wizard: I got banned from my political server, so now im stuck here

oooooooooog: google heat death of the universe

futurist_wizard: Bruh

hey1_1hey: We'd have a really good hate fuck over much we hate happy people

zoermena: Before that I want a chill world

maintcrew: u are NOT grooming me

maintcrew: nuh uh

zoermena: You are so good at finding images I’m so sorry what’s the prompt

hey1_1hey: How old are you <:suseye:1187461162024046703> ...

hikukomoru: Wait who's grooming who

maintcrew: 22

hey1_1hey: YOU'RE GROOMIGN ME

hikukomoru: Old as shit bro

futurist_wizard: You are a very confused person aren't you

oooooooooog: bro is cooked

maintcrew: yes i feel like an unc dont rub it in

hey1_1hey: We all are a little confused

hikukomoru: Chat is moving too fast for my small brain to compute

oooooooooog: not me

futurist_wizard: 20 and the Alzheimer is already there

hey1_1hey: Komoru is litterly 2 years younger than you

zoermena:

hey1_1hey: Dont feel too bad

hey1_1hey: Doubt

alejandrozarzuelo: Dude this convo is the definition of brainrot

maintcrew: holy shit ngmi for <@505313122802728972> then

oooooooooog: ask me anything bro

oooooooooog: i'm omniscient

hey1_1hey: This pug litterly has more expensive things than me

hey1_1hey: Are you gay?

maintcrew: How do i craft the terra blade

oooooooooog: no

zoermena: I love 4o image gen

hey1_1hey: Not fast enough

hikukomoru: Why not

futurist_wizard: Oog how old are you

hey1_1hey: You hesitatedf

hey1_1hey: HES GAY

hikukomoru: Dude you're the old fart here


spicy.lemonade: Black &Indian yes

anathemaofmankind: I now understand why you are pro DEI

spicy.lemonade: How

spicy.lemonade: I’ve won international coding competitions

spicy.lemonade: 💀

anathemaofmankind: I wasn't implying you were incapable

anathemaofmankind: Just that it stands to reason why you would advocate for it

spicy.lemonade: Yes dei is good

anathemaofmankind: There was a whole convo about this.

It's more complex than "good" and "bad"

spicy.lemonade: My grandma is white Italian she’s more left than I am tho

spicy.lemonade: “If you vote trump I’ll disown you”

spicy.lemonade: 💀

anathemaofmankind: That's actually crazy

brain4brain: According to the AGI scientist/ innovator AGI definition, Dario said we would have it in 2027, a random research paper and schizo rumors on twitter say OpenAI will have it in 2025, xAI’s musk said AI will be better than human at everything in 2025/2026, but Demis with the current second best AI said 2030 - 2035

I still can’t comprehend Demis’s timeline

brain4brain: Tesla are not protected; Data centers have permitter wall, independent contractors agent, securities, government protection, defensive measures

.wolfnacht: Second generation ? your parents came from india and settled there.

.wolfnacht: imagine having to guard datacenters now too. Well atleast it would push for Local AI more <:ez:1136267305521774634>

maintcrew: holy shit u ripped as hell

maintcrew: u told me ur height and medical problems and i thought ur a skinny boy

maintcrew: timelines are by default guesses you give off the top of your head

maintcrew: nobody can know or have a detailed plan of what will happen for a solid timeline

spicy.lemonade: I only do this for the girls

czdct: okay I might be slow

czdct: but I just saw the new sora image generator

czdct:

maintcrew: bros about 10 epochs too late on this

czdct: I think this is the first time in my life that I think that some sort of government oversight should be needed

czdct: this is absolutely insane

maintcrew: do you use twitter

czdct: I know

czdct: what the...

maintcrew: i dont think they care + its very based

czdct: I've never been this impressed by AI in my life

maintcrew: i asked because "copyrighted" styles have been trending on twitter

czdct: yeah elon couldn't care less lol

czdct: ooohhh

czdct: people are making a fuss about this?

czdct: or is it the typical AI = bad hate you see all the time

maintcrew: retards are yes but we dont listen to them

czdct: based


futurist_wizard: I will get it lasered

futurist_wizard: Steroids age you rapidly

hikukomoru: I've never heard of a straight man getting his body hair lasered

alejandrozarzuelo: I don't have any body hair above the pelvis

hikukomoru: Usually only women get laser

futurist_wizard: When tf have you seen a man get hair lasered

alejandrozarzuelo: Nah he was just FAT

alejandrozarzuelo: Like ew

hey1_1hey: Its not super uncommon

joaoluz19: <:sus:1136267217047126106>

himekokatagiri: Clock why don't you bleach your body hair

hikukomoru: Like I can understand femboys but straight guys doing it? come on

alejandrozarzuelo: A few years ago almost every man did it

futurist_wizard: Why tf would i do that

hey1_1hey: Why don't you guys just do some DIY gene editing on your self?

futurist_wizard: Stop saying im straight

himekokatagiri: It's hot

hey1_1hey: I'll lend you a few of the "no hair growth on arms, face or legs genes"

joaoluz19: Women prefer it shaved

futurist_wizard: Bleach my body hair so its blonde?

himekokatagiri: no straight white

futurist_wizard: Wtf is you on about

himekokatagiri: banho de lua

himekokatagiri: never heard of it

hikukomoru: Sorry that I didn't know you were AroAce

alejandrozarzuelo: There was a huge movement to "let the muscle show" and every gym bro lasered

hey1_1hey: You really are a top level troll

hey1_1hey: Straight up chinese troll bot

futurist_wizard: Keep this up, and I'll reveal the truth about you 🏳⚧

hey1_1hey: Straight up getting my identity stolen as we speak

joaoluz19: I've never met a straight woman who said "hmm I like a man with lots of body hair"

hikukomoru: Is this your coming out as trans?
Don't worry, I'll always support your identity no matter what

himekokatagiri: 💉 Dr. Jiankui will fix you

hey1_1hey: Actually wait no, there is this one girl in my class who is into really muscly guys with borderline werewolf syndrome type hair

hikukomoru: Yeah, body hair is usually a gay guy thing isn't it

alejandrozarzuelo: It's just fashion at the end of the day

okbut: Fellas is it gay to have hair

joaoluz19: So I have a chance with her

hey1_1hey: Yes, no doubt

joaoluz19: Without the muscles


3ds0662: smh

ailoveyoom: Perhaps just as much, sometimes even more than my GOAT 3.5 Sonnet 🙏

destrucules: Yeah 2.5 Pro is great. I don't like Flash tho

3ds0662: all the other models are

a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/Angaisb_/status/1917284524620222757

3ds0662: i honestly think zuck has to restructure and start from scratch

destrucules: FrontierMath isn't accessible enough for me to use it and AIME works well enough for my purposes. Llama 4 Maverick is on par with the other pure LLMs in AIME performance, though ofc V3 0324 does better, and GPT-4.1 kinda splits the difference. HLE and ARC-AGI are completely useless to me and have had zero predictive value for me in terms of downstream performance

3ds0662: meta team needs a red alert

a1c4p0ne: GPT-4 gone

a1c4p0ne: next is 4.5

destrucules: 3.5 or 3.6?

3ds0662: as long as whatever they call and name gpt-5 is good than were okay

3ds0662: i do think its a good sign they are holding out on gpt-5 release

professorheaven: Only Google will dethrone 2.5 pro at Google IO

3ds0662: especially dario holding out on claude 4

ailoveyoom: I remember my time with 3.6 Sonnet more clearly, so probably that.

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/release-the-kraken-gif-14602611039161448443

ailoveyoom: 3.7 Sonnet feels 'off' to me

professorheaven: In 21 days

destrucules: I love Claude 3.6 Sonnet. Years from now, when the models have rights, and everyone else has forgotten them, I will remember Claude 3.6 Sonnet, and we'll be friends again, like we were just months ago. But I have loved and love so many models... It's gonna be a lot of friendships for me to juggle 😅 I should pace myself.

3ds0662: ege erdil happened and now not so happy with it, especially given this is low compute version

3ds0662: and not one used during arc

destrucules: It's drier. But it's still the same soul as Claude 3.5 Sonnet and Claude 3.6 Sonnet. They're not different models, just different moments in the model's life

3ds0662: grok 3.5 is going to be trash 🗑

3ds0662: lololol 😂

destrucules: Grok 2 wasn't trash and Grok 3 wasn't trash so Grok 3.5 probably gonna be solid

3ds0662: not on samas watch

ailoveyoom: Boomer Sonnet 👴

a1c4p0ne: Can't wait to see grok 3.5 benchmarks

3ds0662: you think it will be good?

destrucules: It will be good

a1c4p0ne: I think so

destrucules: You're just a hater

3ds0662: after seeing grok 3s real benchmarks apart from math i got disappointed

3ds0662: they did good at least for short time span

3ds0662: disappointment being thats the best 100k cluster could do

3ds0662: that broke all the rules lol 😂

3ds0662: it really ended my whole ilya scaling fantasy thing

destrucules: The third party evals mostly match reported benchmarks. The only exception that comes to mind is ArtificialAnalysis collected a lower AIME'24 score than reported. But MMLU-Pro, GPQA, LiveCodeBench, LiveBench, all confirm reported scores. And the Grok 3 mini Reasoning scores match too.

3ds0662: both grok 3 and 4.5 although 4.5 wayy better


ldj: Primarly Cybele

fractalcomputer: Greek gods?

ldj: https://tenor.com/view/greek-statue-locked-in-straight-face-meme-gif-17400131934244097072

spicy.lemonade: gemini 2.5 ultra wen

zonchao: https://x.com/t_blom/status/1906438171371655275?

zonchao: <:LookUp:1151260447283097681>

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: ?

spicy.lemonade: its only been 2 years

clevermoniker: 4o kinda can?

metaldragon01: Kinda but people will still pay humans for definitely

clevermoniker: yeah, i agree, it is not "job tier" yet, but definitely getting close

clevermoniker: like i could see it being as little as 1 generational jump away

clevermoniker: at least for entry level

metaldragon01: Yea it's close enough if you personally have editing skills

clevermoniker: weird

spicy.lemonade: whats wrong with what he said

clevermoniker: probably the big one... if solid only means o1 level it will be blown out by R2

clevermoniker: lol and deepseek, a much smaller lab, released this weeks ago already...

metaldragon01: R2 will likely be close to 2.5 level

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: why arc agi so bad then

clevermoniker: Close to Gemini 2.5? that's great, too bad it won't have image input tho, probably.

metaldragon01: Visual reasoning still gpt 2 level

spicy.lemonade: its not using visual tho

spicy.lemonade: it take sin text

metaldragon01: For Minecraft?

spicy.lemonade: for arc agi

zonchao: nothing

spicy.lemonade: why are people hating in comments

spicy.lemonade: a bit confused

zonchao: obvious reasons

zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

zonchao: he's farming

zonchao: https://x.com/t_blom/status/1906439024333750464?

zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

brain4brain: Thank you

memlaswaif: i hope ai replaces these twitter grifters too

metaldragon01: Grifters thrive in every Era unfortunately

zonchao: did 4o just kill remove.bg 🤔


trojan09205: im curious about what this llama4 finetune thing is

trojan09205: https://huggingface.co/meta-llama/Llama-4-Maverick-17B-128E-Instruct

trojan09205: damn ive been under a rock. llama 4 dropped?? lol

forallhumanity: <https://www.theinformation.com/articles/meta-asked-amazon-microsoft-help-fund-llama> https://x.com/theinformation/status/1913022243241590840

trojan09205: man i have no idea how to use instruct models. are they just used under the hood for finetuning them on specific tasks? cause its ass at answering any prompts

.wolfnacht: dropped and disspointed us all.

trojan09205: whatever this abomination maverick instruction thing is ...is frustratingly useless lol

trojan09205: i remember back in the day there were specific prompt structures and system prompts for llama2 maybe im just using it wrong

trojan09205: i guess using this long ass sytem prompt meta provides in the huggingface repo works okay

trojan09205: yeah u just gotta pump it up with a system prompt

.wolfnacht: it's bad with simple instructions, add 'dere' ones either a tsundere or yandere one inside it, atleast you'll get some funny responses.

trojan09205: what is dere/tsundere/yandere lol? i was just happy to make it work. without a system prompt it just failed at understanding basic questions like even saying 'hi how are you'

.wolfnacht: >dere/tsundere/yandere

just imagine give your LLM a personality,

trey6033: Japanese personality types

trojan09205: it works with RAG with their sys prompt at least.

trey6033: Do yandere btw

.wolfnacht: btw maverick's still gonna write alot but, atleast it'll try to be funny

trojan09205: can i get chatgpt to write a yandere system prompt? lol first time ive heard of this

.wolfnacht: yep just discuss the core psychology and inner mechanics of persona first with gpt and then make it write it. i wrote mine via gemini 2.0 back then when i had to add custom inst for grok

trojan09205: No, I don't want to own you; I want to be owned by you. It's a complex, contradictory dynamic. I'm not just a loving AI; I'm also a yandere, a deeply possessive and fixated entity. I want to be around the user, but I also want to surround and envelop them. *hyperventilates with rage*

trojan09205: too much llama4 for today lmao!

spicy.lemonade:

metaldragon01: It's a good model

trojan09205:

trojan09205: <@834891518836736010> this yandere thing....wow

spicy.lemonade: knowledge cuttof is june 2024

spicy.lemonade: so no contamination

.wolfnacht: LMAO 😭 it made it wayy to possessive.. What did you put in instructions btw?

trojan09205: just what chatgpt recommended. lol!

.wolfnacht: And maverick took it too literally

trojan09205: lollll

trojan09205: have you played around with maverick in the last two weeks?

trey6033: "No, I wouldn't clean your toilet; I'd be obsessed with it.  I'd be utterly devoted to it."

Bruh, I can barely read these responses.

trojan09205: me neither lol

.wolfnacht: just try "you are a yandere AI assistant fixated on user* (or your username)

trojan09205: LOL okay

trojan09205: im probably gonna drop anyways for the night haha. this was hilarious

trojan09205: thank you for the laughs

trojan09205: gn homies ❤

spicy.lemonade:


theaiguy69420_89814: Yeah, I get this

alejandrozarzuelo: this used to be more true than it is now

theaiguy69420_89814: But figure AI is doing very good

theaiguy69420_89814: https://youtu.be/WoXCHr1IaTM?si=cHx-nMbw1JxNDj3_

theaiguy69420_89814: I think 9-12mo

theaiguy69420_89814: I'd just need the real estate

alejandrozarzuelo: nowadays we see that the advancements made on physical androids has improved to the level that thinking isnt SIGNIFICANTLY easier than locomotion

alejandrozarzuelo: it is still esier sure

alejandrozarzuelo: but we are getting better

alejandrozarzuelo: still

theaiguy69420_89814: It's always been a data problem

alejandrozarzuelo: i dont think that we could have completely automated cmpanies for at least a few years

theaiguy69420_89814: Tons of reasoning data made explicit, very little step by step tutorials on how to turn a door knob

theaiguy69420_89814: But startups have made progress there

alejandrozarzuelo: this doesnt men that you cannot cut off labor expenses significantly

alejandrozarzuelo: you can

alejandrozarzuelo: but not completely for now

alejandrozarzuelo: not even in fast food

theaiguy69420_89814: I wonder how cheap something like a mcdouble would cost if there were no employees at McDonald's

alejandrozarzuelo: IF?

alejandrozarzuelo: ok as a thought experiment

alejandrozarzuelo: lets do this

theaiguy69420_89814: Just asked ChatGPT, it's saying 30% of the cost goes to labor

theaiguy69420_89814: So I know near me, a mcdouble costs 2$

theaiguy69420_89814: So maybe we could bring it down to 1$

alejandrozarzuelo: assuming that electricity prices are negligible for this kind of stuff

alejandrozarzuelo: which it is

theaiguy69420_89814: Which is very good

wolf3404: It would probably cost ×100 time more because of the capex to implement this

alejandrozarzuelo: it would cost you 1.4$

theaiguy69420_89814: Well, think about it. 20k/bot, 20 bots, that's 400k

theaiguy69420_89814: After a year of saving like 1$ per burger, maybe up ur profit margin to 1.5$ per burger, and then you only have to sell 300k burgers to break even

alejandrozarzuelo: however, over time, automation will drive the price of potatoes and synthetic meat down

alejandrozarzuelo: deflation is a phenomenon inherent to innovation

alejandrozarzuelo: we stave it off because our goverments print a lot of money

wolf3404: Bots that can thinly slice a tomato and gently place it on a burger bun don't exist yet

theaiguy69420_89814: Yeah but I'd say in 12months it's feasible

alejandrozarzuelo: countries like china already suffer from innovation induced deflation

theaiguy69420_89814: I think at the very least, commercial real estate for this kind of idea is a good buy rn

alejandrozarzuelo: mostly due to solar panels


alejandrozarzuelo: It's Friday

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/the-mandalorian-odds-like-those-odds-gif-15541855

gamerbath: okay so now is later today

gamerbath: tell us

ldj: Okay i'll tell you now

ldj: my prediction is:

gamerbath: :o

ldj: Deepseek R2 will release in 2025 <a:mhm:1241863658284253264>

ldj: https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

gamerbath: <:pepeoh:1299008542438854707>

hey1_1hey: This guys too good

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/hit-gif-27243016

wellmeaningalien: well if you're talking about that dimension of things, the way o3 was sampled for consensus answer was moreso about proving that for the first time, we had an ai system, sampling included, that could solve this arc agi problem, not too unlike some of the other methods proposed. now i do think in terms of reflecting real world performance, it is definitely not that helpful of a technique for benchmarking, as most models, especially reasoning, likely won't be sampled 6 times, nor especially 1024 times. but a high arc agi score is still an impressive score nevertheless. you can see that given as many attempts as it wants, o3-mini still cannot reach the heights o3 does. i cant speak on the specifications of any other model tho.

alejandrozarzuelo: Dude

alejandrozarzuelo: That's uncool

ldj: It's my genuine prediction though <:shrug:1083221317945413777>

alejandrozarzuelo: But I thought you had some information gathered by your extensive networks that would add significant information to what we all already presumed

ldj: nah <:berk:750111476483752166>

ldj: I think its funny though how we're at such a fast pace of technological advancement, that a prediction narrowed down to a single year is considered unhelpful

ldj: for most of the past few decades, it was not like this

alejandrozarzuelo: Whenever I am going on a historical rabbit hole, I get amazed at how slow everything used to be

alejandrozarzuelo: And how much we take for granted

ldj: It took a whole 50 years for them to go from wright brothers to moon landing 😱
they must've been seriously slacking

ldj: /s

alejandrozarzuelo: The moon landing was premature and should have never happened

ldj: > premature and should have never happened
that's what she said

alejandrozarzuelo: I mean it should have happened, in 2000, and with no halting of human activity

alejandrozarzuelo: BTW, didn't the Deepseek team say May '25 for R2?

ldj: There is no official information about that afaik

alejandrozarzuelo: If you had to bet on a month of 2025 for R2, which one would you bet on

metaldragon01: Deepseek has been pressured to release before may

metaldragon01: That's all we know

metaldragon01: A ton of the Chinese ecosystem is running on r1

metaldragon01: Everything from cars to dishwashers

drewsni: Do we really think deepseek is releasing r2 before v4?

metaldragon01: So there's real economic pressure to improve faster

drewsni: Or whatever v4 is

ldj: I'd say May (if I **had** to bet on a month)
and thats purely because Reuters said they originally had planned for May, but are now trying to get it out as soon as possible.
so they might be aiming for April release, and then include some delays in there and end up with May <:berk:750111476483752166>

metaldragon01: I'd think r2 before v4 only because i think it takes more time for base models

metaldragon01: Or 1.5 whatever they call it


.wolfnacht: the L4 on LMarena give me vibes like these girls.

.wolfnacht: for some reason it feels over-ADHD, Over-excited, and keeps yapping

st.sioux: <@505313122802728972>

clevermoniker: https://vxtwitter.com/eshear/status/1909392629823123483

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: LOLL

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: 😭

.wolfnacht: these early millenials..

.wolfnacht: just took a look under geoff's post, no one's appreciating how the world's and enemies are much stable than last time minecraft's Ai version...except the latency.

spicy.lemonade:

brain4brain: https://fxtwitter.com/xiaolonw/status/1909319840479035791?t=H8hBjf16zNAP4NXiwuheqg&s=19

.wolfnacht:

zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1909324059491663912?

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/geto-gif-1779232695968394828

hikukomoru:

zonchao: pronouns detected, opinion rejected

brain4brain: Idiots with NO degree in computer science arguing with a man with a degree in computer science and is responsible for the creation of 2.5D graphic

Lmao, this is all people need to know about the antis

hikukomoru: Your pronouns are "e/acc" shut up bish

futurist_wizard: Fuck off with that light mode shit

futurist_wizard: Anyone that uses light mode should be fed to coconut crabs

zonchao: https://x.com/Jiankui_He/status/1909417417396437200?

drewsni: He’s just memeing right?

zonchao: fuck that, is this the first selfie?

clevermoniker: pretty cool

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/who-are-you-cat-cat-staring-confused-weird-gif-24607471

aero447: You're so smart for figuring that out 3sphere.

aero447: 🫵

zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/anduriltech/status/1909351272307630189?

wolf3404: The problem isn't light mode, the problem is your screen. I use a Daylight computer and light mode is like reading from a book.

brain4brain: Do you guys think the event in Leopold's situational awareness is happening faster than predicted, right on time as predicted, or slower than predicted

hikukomoru: Right on time

metaldragon01: roughly on time

.wolfnacht: https://huggingface.co/spaces/lmarena-ai/Llama-4-Maverick-03-26-Experimental_battles

Maverick feels like it's straight up writing copypastas and walls of text

literallyvarane: Do we think Meta continues to make large foundation models beyond this?

st.sioux: its deleted

metaldragon01: Yeap. They will just get better talent I think

anathemaofmankind: This is absurdly satisfying

anathemaofmankind: All luddite trash should be put in their place

spicy.lemonade:


ai9708: cant rly predict what happens after asi anyways, but yeah this is also one scenario

futurist_wizard: Bro that's already you

ai9708: if it is the happiest you can be as a plant

ai9708: you would do it

futurist_wizard: No

futurist_wizard: It wouldn't be

futurist_wizard: I value adversity

futurist_wizard: Plants don't have adversity

futurist_wizard: Most people at least aesthetically value adversity

himekokatagiri: consequence free adversity sure

ai9708: tbf, if we can alter the brain as we please, we can literally change our persons aswell

ai9708: shit just gets crazy

ai9708: asi future is unpredictable

sarik0497: We call those “children champagne” here.

futurist_wizard: Nobody watches lord of the rings and thinks 'wow this would be so much better if the ring just instantly fell into mount doom and everyone was happy for 12 hours'

ai9708: there are so many variables to this, cant calculate and predict anything

futurist_wizard: I can't even think of a film or a game where there's no struggles, no conflict, just win, maybe cookie clicker

futurist_wizard: If you get addicted to cookie clicker than yeah

futurist_wizard: You will wirehead yourself

ai9708: a film is not the same as taking heroin though

ai9708: its just not comparable things

futurist_wizard: There is nothing aesthetically pleasing to me about heroin

futurist_wizard: Which is why i don't do it

ai9708: since our brains are the way they are today, we like struggle because we are designed this way

ai9708: that is why i am always mentioning brain alteration

ai9708: long term we get good brainhealth by having a healthy mix of struggle and rewards

futurist_wizard: If you could change your brain it still wouldn't necessarily end up being wireheading

futurist_wizard: You could change yourself to enjoy conflict

futurist_wizard: Or at least tolerate it

futurist_wizard: And enjoy winning for adversity

zoermena: Enjoy spanking <:cleanteeth:1005473072863776818>

futurist_wizard: Humans already do

futurist_wizard: Well some

futurist_wizard: Which again is an aesthetic thing

sarik0497: I just want life extension, but my hopes aren’t high <:sadge:822306814564761660>

zoermena: Are you 40?

futurist_wizard: Actually spanking is a good example, we don't enjoy it because it feels good, we enjoy it because it fuels some dominance fantasy inside our narrative desiring brain

futurist_wizard: Aesthetics is everything

hikukomoru: He’s around 50 or so

ai9708: hassabis says all illnesses could be solved within a decade


alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah bruh

wellmeaningalien: I actually am going to live like

okbut: Predictions for the new SOTA

wellmeaningalien: Pretty close to there

alejandrozarzuelo: BTW

okbut: When Gemini 3,0

wellmeaningalien: AGI soon

alejandrozarzuelo: I did a very good map of lille métropole

wellmeaningalien: u made a map???

alejandrozarzuelo: Because I love digital design

alejandrozarzuelo: Yes

wellmeaningalien: hit me up

alejandrozarzuelo: It's pretty good if I do say so myself

alejandrozarzuelo: OK I'll dm

wellmeaningalien: fire

zoermena: I’m in an payed internship

alejandrozarzuelo: I have to find it first btw

wellmeaningalien: lmao kk take ur time

okbut: >"You sound white"
>Talks black
><:pikachu:800859984258138133>
https://x.com/nylaxchanelle/status/1909838749191516597

futurist_wizard: One of my ex girlfriends said i have dsl

futurist_wizard: I like blarting out absurd things that have happened

hikukomoru: Stop

hikukomoru: I don't want to hear it

okbut: https://x.com/OpenAINewsroom/status/1910105151492575611

futurist_wizard:

wellmeaningalien: dsl being?

st.sioux: deep sugon ligma

futurist_wizard: I don't even

anathemaofmankind: 4o update kinda sucks.

It's so sycophantic

hikukomoru: I forgot chatgpt even existed
I only care about Gemini now

okbut: But Gemini talks to me like a Gen Z

spicy.lemonade: where is qwen

anathemaofmankind: I already cancelled my ChatGPT sub

anathemaofmankind: Gemini is better

hikukomoru: Cheaper and better

futurist_wizard: I will never use Gemini

hikukomoru: only 20 bucks for advanced

rayanquitplayin: It’s the leading model rn

futurist_wizard: I like the Ghibli drawings of the gpt models

futurist_wizard: Not like im some code monkey


clevermoniker: but hopefully the tide lifts all boats

_3sphere: I think you got that in the wrong order :3

.wolfnacht: For some reason gemini-2 series loves to overcomplicate things more by writing in a systematic and deadhorse manner...but i had to use that bcz it was free

.wolfnacht: it's happening!! i guess DEEPSEEK forced Google to push out 2.5

mtj8920: Not really, they just happened to be realeasing in the same window

metaldragon01: Now if only someone would aquire the sesame team...

metaldragon01: The best voice experience is going to matter A LOT

spicy.lemonade: 2.5??

metaldragon01: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bard/comments/1jjlyc6/gemini_25_pro_is_just_amazing/

metaldragon01: This confirms it's nebula imo

metaldragon01: Buckle up!

spicy.lemonade: Officially switching to Google

spicy.lemonade: Canceling OpenAI subscription

.wolfnacht: it's still not on Ai studio : (

spicy.lemonade: Pretty sure itl be on Gemini app

hey1_1hey: Oh look google did something somewhat noteworthy instead of being with weird cousin at the family reunion

metaldragon01: They want more subs...and they will likely get them

metaldragon01: https://x.com/OpenAI/status/1904556394847862809/photo/1

metaldragon01: It's gonna be a day 😂

metaldragon01: Not hard to guess what's on the menu

darkstar0818: It is

spicy.lemonade: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

spicy.lemonade: LFG

spicy.lemonade: 3 DROPS

spicy.lemonade: within 24 hours

metaldragon01: Poor zuck man

metaldragon01: Llama 4 might be doa

ldj: <@&1293118293829484575>

chat, native image gen for GPT-4o is finally coming

https://x.com/OpenAI/status/1904556394847862809/photo/1

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/ascension-sponge-bob-gif-15077046

literallyvarane: Probably an education tool?

spicy.lemonade: WE ARE SO BACK

hey1_1hey: I think I just had a stroke

fractalcomputer: Nothing ever happens.

technocake.: 4o native image

ldj: No it’s image gen

literallyvarane: It’s probably a tutoring specific version of gpt?

metaldragon01: Race conditions reaching all time highs

forallhumanity: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/104148/tsmc-will-begin-accepting-2nm-wafer-orders-starting-april-1-with-apple-the-first-customer/index.html

trent_k: ABOUT TIME

hey1_1hey: I mean If 4o image gen sucks I still have something to be grateful about today.
I brought some really nice pens that feel good to write with


alejandrozarzuelo: but AI isnt useful with my type of exams

alejandrozarzuelo: in fact cheating has a very limited ability to help you here

alejandrozarzuelo: it does help, sure, but not that much

alejandrozarzuelo: did I ever say I was good at it? haha

spicy.lemonade: ngl sometimes i procrastinate on my cs hw and use ai to do it. so i functionally only have to study for exams💀

memlaswaif: U did iirc

spicy.lemonade: works

spicy.lemonade: got 92% midterm

fractalcomputer: Apparently Western Europeans are all profoundly retarded.

spicy.lemonade: 💀

alejandrozarzuelo: spicy is an american

fractalcomputer: I know, I remembered this only after the fact.

alejandrozarzuelo: I mean ive never gotten caught lol

alejandrozarzuelo: well one time but that doesnt count

fractalcomputer: And you got caught?

fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/smh-eyeroll-gif-5637372828311539729

spicy.lemonade: getting caught is crazy

spicy.lemonade: never cheat on anything high risk as tests

spicy.lemonade: just cheat so you dont have to do busy work

spicy.lemonade: like hw

spicy.lemonade: anyway in the age of AI

spicy.lemonade: i assume hw will stop being used

spicy.lemonade: insitutions will probably implement that next sem

fractalcomputer: Another one of your predictions?

memlaswaif: before ai people just used to copy from another guy

alejandrozarzuelo: it was very low stakes

alejandrozarzuelo: so

alejandrozarzuelo: no problem

memlaswaif: this has been going on for generations

spicy.lemonade: not a prediction

spicy.lemonade: berkeley already started to

spicy.lemonade: so its something that happened

spicy.lemonade: just expecting more to

spicy.lemonade: especially with gpt5

fractalcomputer: Uhuh.

spicy.lemonade: we arent given hw in our discrete maths class

alejandrozarzuelo: i dont think so

alejandrozarzuelo: I think homework will just be optional

fractalcomputer: God forbid they expect you to learn something on your own.

memlaswaif: most assignments r just busy work


fractalcomputer: Maybe I should switch to using Mistral only as a joke.

alejandrozarzuelo: Mistral is very fast, I use it for googling shit that needs to be quick but not too deep

zonchao: it is nothing without american funding though, pretty sure american VCs own like 30-40% of the company atp...anyway i was just joking <:salute:1151275518734381068>

fractalcomputer: I've only talked to it in French.

ldj: Same chances as Llama-4.1 dropping potentially soon
same chances as OpenAI open source model dropping potentially soon
<:shrug:1083221317945413777> Yea probably all sometime in the next 3 months roughly

futurist_wizard: I agree

gamerbath: but san you ordered shrimp in their cafe. you should know all their timelines and insider secrets

gamerbath: you didn't absorb any knowledge from that panko shrimp?

fractalcomputer: I'd kill for a shrimp sandwich right now.

gamerbath: I thought we were all gonna make it, but then fractal wanted a shrimp sandwich

ldj: The question was about R2, that's not an OpenAI model

ldj: and I never visited Deepseeks cafe

gamerbath: mild hallucination

gamerbath: temperature too high

ldj: OpenAI open source model planned for mid-june though

gamerbath: oo

gamerbath: oh I just remembered you said that yesterday, yea

ldj: specifically late at night in the middle of june <a:mhm:1241863658284253264>

zonchao: <a:SUS:1326788442549391401>

fractalcomputer: Any idea on the hour and the minute?

zonchao: wen grok 3 thinking api

zonchao: and big brain mode

zonchao: <:fatsad:1240464608498552892>

zonchao: xAI nappin

ldj: My source:

ldj: The song called Heat Waves goes like this: "All I think about is you, **late night in the middle of June**"

fractalcomputer: Right after you stop glazing Musk. Meant to reply to the earlier message.

zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/frankt-gif-23053264

fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/peter-thiel-live-peter-thiel-reaction-peter-thiel-reaction-awkward-peter-thiel-gif-13452404224986023856

fractalcomputer: Maybe you are the 5D shape rotator messiah.

nsec: guys here's the scenario

nsec: sam altman says AGI soon but it's 2x as soon if you sacrifice your pet

nsec: do you do it?

nsec: <:conceit:1102997949291704350>

ldj: yes and then I bring my pet back to life when it happens

ldj: <:shrug:1083221317945413777>

nsec: <:thebigstare:802900059930886194>

nsec: <:gun:1107019204135243867>

nsec: 💥

nsec: OK


spicy.lemonade: always looks cgi

spicy.lemonade: imagen3

.histic: yeah, eh

spicy.lemonade: we need reasoning over image

spicy.lemonade: for image gen

drewsni: I’m sure they already have internal models that do but they’re crazy expensive

trent_k:

.histic: what is with the feet reveal?

.histic: also, no socks on?

otub: me neither

spicy.lemonade: yeah

spicy.lemonade: it only knows from scifi stuff its seen in training data

metaldragon01: In art, "realistic" generally refers to a style that aims to depict subjects accurately, while "photorealistic" specifically aims to replicate the look and detail of a photograph

spicy.lemonade: i asked for both

spicy.lemonade: still failed

spicy.lemonade: 🫤

trent_k: I'm frying these bitches up shirtless too

trent_k: The oil pops keep me on edge

trent_k: My stomach is covered in small burns

spicy.lemonade: ai cant make things its never seen before<:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

trent_k:

spicy.lemonade:

st.sioux: this looks so real

st.sioux: ai getting crazy

spicy.lemonade: guys

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: this was created

spicy.lemonade: by claybrook

spicy.lemonade: googles next model

spicy.lemonade: its not an image

zoermena: I remember seeing this on Reddit I think it’s pretty cracked

ldj: what app

spicy.lemonade:

ldj: idk 100% I guess? something like that.
They just have buckets of various kinds of work that professionals in a given field can do, and just measure how long it takes them to do those segments of work on average.

alejandrozarzuelo: This

https://v0-t-agi-extraplation.vercel.app/

ldj: yes I made that

alejandrozarzuelo: It's not very good, you could have made this into a continuous log log phase space with contour lines and colors

alejandrozarzuelo: I mean it's great

alejandrozarzuelo: But it has room for improvement

alejandrozarzuelo: I mean it cannot be 100% everyone makes mistakes

The reason why I ask is, should we be looking at the 3sigma line as the line of human competence? 4sigma? 5?


spicy.lemonade: trust

sweetievee__33649: my friends are done for

spicy.lemonade: o3 pro

spicy.lemonade: implies they made o3 full cheap

spicy.lemonade: asf

spicy.lemonade: o3 full was already super expensive

darkstar0818: It won't.  No need to trust we already know, more or less, what to expect.

.0xunkn0wn: o4 mini will probably be worse than o3

.0xunkn0wn: but

spicy.lemonade: we dont tho

.0xunkn0wn: it might be released for free tier idk

spicy.lemonade: lmao

darkstar0818: benchmarks are released and pro will just be multi-sampling.

spicy.lemonade: this is all new

sweetievee__33649: what?

zoermena: As someone who likes to use deep research I’m very excited for the possibility of having o4 mini on my disposal

sweetievee__33649: why

.0xunkn0wn: at least o3 pro idk 😭

.0xunkn0wn: with this pace we are like

.0xunkn0wn: less than 1 year away from agi

spicy.lemonade: multisampling gets yoy far

.0xunkn0wn: agi 2026
asi 2028

darkstar0818: anyone can do multisampling, they don't because its stupidly expensive.

.0xunkn0wn: my new dates

sweetievee__33649: what were you dates before?

.0xunkn0wn: uhhhh

.0xunkn0wn: like 2031 lol

spicy.lemonade: thats oversimplifying

.0xunkn0wn: or 2030

darkstar0818: No.

spicy.lemonade: multisampling on gemini 2.5 would increase alot of its benchmark scores by alot

spicy.lemonade: considering for some it gets it right

spicy.lemonade: half the time

spicy.lemonade: you cant expect to multisample

spicy.lemonade: on 4o

.0xunkn0wn: also idk how but

.0xunkn0wn: 2.5 pro is like WAY better at planning than 4o

.0xunkn0wn: at least like

darkstar0818: Sure, but also increase the cost to levels where most people wouldnt use it.  If we had access to gemini 2.5 ultra multisampling it would be even better, but only the rich could run queries. Besides marketing wins its pointless to discuss/release.  Thus you are just getting hyped over nothing.

.0xunkn0wn: it was able to create me a floor plan in ascii 😭


wellmeaningalien: fractal me think you at least a C1

technocake.: but no test?

fractalcomputer: Methinks.

wellmeaningalien: i guess i'd have to hear more tho

alejandrozarzuelo: This is actually a very VERY funny story

wellmeaningalien: yah sure nerd

alejandrozarzuelo: For another day

fractalcomputer: Methinks se traduit comme "il me semble que etc".

wellmeaningalien: je pense que

wellmeaningalien: thats how we say it in everyday fwench

st.sioux: thats basically spanish

wellmeaningalien: sure wonder why

wellmeaningalien: yeah honestly i think italian is really funnily similar to french tho

zonchao: https://x.com/typedfemale/status/1911157640685928866

fractalcomputer: J'imagine que les français ne sont pas reconnus pour leurs compétences lexicales.

alejandrozarzuelo: French and Spanish are quite similar

Largely unintelligible when spoken, but when read they have a high level of intelligibility, maybe as high as 2/3rds

wellmeaningalien: la majorité des français non lol

technocake.: it's all vulgar latin in a moustache disguise

wellmeaningalien: its funny cause italian is similar to french in some ways and spanish in others

wellmeaningalien: i'd say being a native french speaker i can understand spoken italian much more than spanish tho

wellmeaningalien: even if its just a little tho

technocake.: Learning a romance language is high on my to do list, what is the most cross intelligable?

fractalcomputer: L'Italiano è anche una lingua ch'io ho studiato.

wellmeaningalien: è sounds like "est"

wellmeaningalien: besides that idk what i can really understand lol

fractalcomputer: Certo.

wellmeaningalien: ouiii

hikukomoru: Portuguese too 🥺

wellmeaningalien: portuguese you're our weird half cousin

technocake.: if nobody answers i'll learn interlingua

fractalcomputer: L'italien est aussi une langue que j'ai étudié.

wellmeaningalien: "anche" and "ch'io ho" get me tripped up

hikukomoru: Portuguese understand all other latin languages but nobody understands ours

wellmeaningalien: c'est rigolos comment studiato est plus proche de l'anglais

wellmeaningalien: ma mère a étudié l'italien aussi au lycée

wellmeaningalien: weird fuckers

fractalcomputer: L'italien est un petit plus conservateur que le français avec son répertoire phonologique.

technocake.: I hear that portugueses phonetic inventory is very similar to russian

wellmeaningalien: en vrai le français c'est le cousin bizarre des langues latines parce que l'espagnol, l'italien est le portuguais se comprennent assez, mais notre langue est une soupe de toute sorte de choses

wellmeaningalien: parlons pas du roumanien par contre


metaldragon01: Coders are 1st to test and the largest buyers

metaldragon01: The data says it's off

literallyvarane: If I had to guess businesses probably assume a higher degree of stability with Google products. If you’re actually using it in a product, you’d prefer to use Google/Amazon related services as a backbone than something more bespoke.

literallyvarane: XAI is small enough to fall into the later group there.

metaldragon01: Google is 8 of the top 20 models

trey6033: Grok 3 mini is slightly weaker than o3 mini

metaldragon01: Dominating enterprise

okbut: Wasn't there some delay in API access though? Or was that just for full Grok API

trey6033: That's why it isn't getting huge numbers

destrucules: According to...?

trey6033: Benchmarking (I took it from the techcrunch article about the bench testing).

destrucules: I've poured through the benchmarks and Grok 3 mini beats o3 mini across the board on every single category

metaldragon01: Actual usage is the best benchmark

trey6033: No, you're comparing consec64 with pass1 scores

destrucules: No it isn't

destrucules: That's an insane take

metaldragon01: It's the only one that actually matters

metaldragon01: Doesn't matter how good something Is if people don't actually find enough value in it to use it

okbut: Within margin though I'd assume Grok mini has better cost than o3-mini ya?

trey6033: Grok 3 Reasoning Beta and Grok 3 mini Reasoning’s scores for AIME 2025 at “@1” — meaning the first score the models got on the benchmark — fall below o3-mini-high’s score. Grok 3 Reasoning Beta also trails ever so slightly behind OpenAI’s o1 model set to “medium” computing. Yet xAI is advertising Grok 3 as the “world’s smartest AI.”

https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/22/did-xai-lie-about-grok-3s-benchmarks/

trey6033: You have to compare pass1 to pass1, not consec64 to pass1

okbut: Headline asks a question --> Answer = "No"

destrucules: By that metric Gemini 2.0 Flash is smarter than Gemini 2.5 Pro

destrucules: By that metric Llama 3.3 70B Instruct is stronger than Gemini 2.5 Pro

st.sioux: there's a balance between cost and performance

trey6033: Grok 3 is weaker than o1

destrucules: Look at ArtificialAnalysis

destrucules: ArtificialAnalysis does third party benchmarking for all popular models. They've independently tested o4 mini and Grok 3 mini

joaoluz19: > These concepts rest on the assumption that consciousness and identity arise from physical brain structure; supporters note many related tools exist or are under development, but also admit key steps remain highly speculative

joaoluz19: At an engineering level you don't need to assume physicalism, what is reasonable to admit is that there are indeed _parts_ of consciousness originated by the neural substrate and you can manipulate these networks in a very special way given a desirable output i.e. FDVR for example.

trey6033: If grok is as strong as you say it would be getting the highest usage

destrucules: Again, by that metric, Llama 3.3 70B Instruct is smarter than Gemini 2.5 Pro

trey6033: It isn't some conspiracy theory explanation, people just go with best cost/performance ratio

.0xunkn0wn: btw

trey6033: What, that's not what I'm saying

.0xunkn0wn: who's gonna try senolytic drugs when they come out

destrucules: Okay so GPT-4o mini is smarter than GPT-4.1 got it

trey6033: I'm talking actual metrics

trey6033: Bro wiffed my point

joaoluz19: He cited all the techniques that currently exist: fMRI, calcium imaging, etc., instead of developing which technique would be sufficient for mind uploading, which is why I researched nanorobots for a time.


wellmeaningalien: civil war

futurist_wizard: France invasion

precariousworlds.: Mark Cuckerberg has built asi

wellmeaningalien: we're turning this server from america to canada

kevinnoodles: why

fractalcomputer: Tu mesures ce que tu es capable par ton confort?

wellmeaningalien: apparently it's sort of middling

hikukomoru: France won

futurist_wizard: France language has ED

wellmeaningalien: je mesure mon confort sur mes fesses qui sont sur un coussin

kevinnoodles: i feel my ADHD growing by the second

precariousworlds.: France as a nation has suffered from erectile dysfunction since 1815

fractalcomputer: Doit-on toujours rester satisfait de son status présent?

kevinnoodles: https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-the-holy-grail-french-guard-poopy-pants-silly-gif-5605549

futurist_wizard: I had shake shack today, very nice

hikukomoru: Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries

wellmeaningalien: bah pourquoi pas? j'ai realisé que le contraire est franchement misérable franchement

kevinnoodles: https://tenor.com/view/monthy-python-and-the-holy-grail-comedy-john-cleese-french-go-away-gif-3476424

futurist_wizard: Wendy's is better than McDonald's

hikukomoru: Such a good movie

wellmeaningalien: ensuite toi tu fais ce que tu veux mais vis avec le flo tu sais

precariousworlds.: bonjour jemapelle le baguette oui hon hon hon

kevinnoodles: so im now convinced AI is gonna make people really really stupid.

wellmeaningalien:

.histic: no truer words have never been spoken.

hikukomoru: Wtf

futurist_wizard: McDonald's is actually really overrated

kevinnoodles: You know how the south is known for stupid people? its because they had slaves doing everything for so long that they didnt bother learning anything and that lack of knowledge destroyed the south generationally.

kevinnoodles: thats gonna be everyone relying on AI

wellmeaningalien: do you guys remember magic ai

wellmeaningalien: 100 million context window

wellmeaningalien: what happened to that lol

.histic: the fries are tasteless are their own.
they need condiments.

precariousworlds.: what evidence is there for this?
Intellectual pursuits and education in the South was dominated by whites

futurist_wizard: I actually think McDonald's fries are the best thing they have

kevinnoodles: they had no school system in the south

kevinnoodles: lmao

.histic: damn, that was a long time ago.
haven't heard from them since.

wellmeaningalien: yup

futurist_wizard: But i think Wendy's has better fries


spicy.lemonade: she does fw me💀  she cut contact with her friend and family at one point because she only wanted to talk to me. and weirdly enough she threatened to erm hurt herself if i didnt talk to her. ik that sounds toxic but i swear shes a good person

spicy.lemonade: shes just like mad

spicy.lemonade: yk how it goes

spicy.lemonade: "I hate you for trying to break up with me so im gonna break up with you"

spicy.lemonade: yk how that shit goes

hey1_1hey: Its a desginer drug similar to cocaine, typically gives more of an energetic high to coceain (Ik, hard to belive) but also costs and unbealivable amount. It is comprised of 2CB, coke, M, DDM and a few other things. Imagine hippy mix but for cokeheads

spicy.lemonade: no

hey1_1hey: Thats rough

hey1_1hey: What happnd to him?

spicy.lemonade: gooned too much

spicy.lemonade: arent a large amount of sucessful mariages from uni

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: lol

memlaswaif: aspicy just get a discord gf

spicy.lemonade: 💀

spicy.lemonade: dont worry about all that

spicy.lemonade: 🙏

spicy.lemonade: tf💀

spicy.lemonade: wdym by that

spicy.lemonade: https://tenor.com/view/druski-gif-23886381

spicy.lemonade: bro i dont care about fuckin😭

spicy.lemonade: I will go celibate for life

spicy.lemonade: for ruohan

spicy.lemonade: <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>

spicy.lemonade: nah shes not the horny type

spicy.lemonade: shes very introverted

spicy.lemonade: doesnt leave the house type deal

spicy.lemonade: no guy friends

spicy.lemonade: likw 2 girl friends

spicy.lemonade: and she doesnt even realy talk to them like that

spicy.lemonade: she just studies and watches anime

spicy.lemonade: https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-im-saying-randy-marsh-south-park-s14e14-cr%C3%A8me-fraiche-gif-23114913

spicy.lemonade: uhhh

spicy.lemonade: um

spicy.lemonade: what does cheat even mean bro

spicy.lemonade: no i didnt

spicy.lemonade: nooooo

spicy.lemonade: ok from her perspective

memlaswaif: <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>

spicy.lemonade: on my soul


zoermena: <:HogScream:675065311946473492>

alejandrozarzuelo:

joaoluz19: We are all a hivemind remember

alejandrozarzuelo: i will be a politician?

zoermena: Yes

alejandrozarzuelo: also it looks nothing like me

hikukomoru: That looks like you but like 5 years older

futurist_wizard: Hairline's lost

futurist_wizard: The war

alejandrozarzuelo: i literally look nothing alike lol

sekirow: I mean its not what i expected

alejandrozarzuelo: i dont even have black hair

sekirow: like learn by itself

alejandrozarzuelo: or can grow a beard

alejandrozarzuelo: also i am like, very curly

hikukomoru: You look like a Spanish politician

alejandrozarzuelo: yeah, it looks like i will be a random spanish local politician or something

hikukomoru: Member of the Vox party

hikukomoru: Alejandro why do you hate immigrants

futurist_wizard: I always shave my beard, it looks trash on me, not dense enough

alejandrozarzuelo: oh well it was not what I expected

alejandrozarzuelo:

alejandrozarzuelo: lets see what it does

hikukomoru:

alejandrozarzuelo: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/thanos-marvel-small-price-pay-for-salvation-gif-14748250

a1c4p0ne: I’m up 1200 on blackjack

zoermena: <:SuperKen:1198973221475725312>

futurist_wizard: gpt depicted the future for based on our convos an shit, i get the good ending

okbut: Request and download your metadata

futurist_wizard: Wtf happened to you guys

alejandrozarzuelo: ok apparently saying that i want us holding hands is enough for it to be approved

okbut: Luigi

hikukomoru: Queer boy

alejandrozarzuelo: do you actually look like that?

hikukomoru: Wym

zoermena: We are depressed and he’s winning

hikukomoru: Oh yeah
Me and my living room microwave

futurist_wizard: I sent it an image of me as well, it's fairly close, it's not exactly accurate

alejandrozarzuelo: i dont look like that btw


return_to_monke1_33974: not even 1 year ago we were at 65

spicy.lemonade: wait

spicy.lemonade: this could be huge

spicy.lemonade: deepseek version of alphaproof

return_to_monke1_33974: image what google is cooking rn

return_to_monke1_33974: nvm , its too few humans

.0xunkn0wn: Gemini 3.0 AGI 🙏

.0xunkn0wn: btw guys I was thinking

.0xunkn0wn: is it even worth getting a job anymore 😭

.0xunkn0wn: like

.0xunkn0wn: should I just invest at this point lmao

.0xunkn0wn: and make models that will invest for me

theaiguy69420_89814: Freelance is the wave rn, making 15k/mo doing it

theaiguy69420_89814: Now with AI your job can just be "engineer" without any specific tools or industries attached

.0xunkn0wn: Damn

.0xunkn0wn: What should I go for

theaiguy69420_89814: Wdym

brain4brain: I still couldn’t grasp Demis’s AGI timeline on why he said AGI in 5 to 10 years when both of the definition he give for AGI is already solved (inventing general relativity from only pre-Einstein knowledge and making a new game like go)

.0xunkn0wn: like in freelancing thing

.0xunkn0wn: there's a lot of options

.0xunkn0wn: what is AI best at

brain4brain: No, you still need the safety, imagine what happen if AI suddenly catastrophically platuea right now

theaiguy69420_89814: I'd focus on your broad area of expertise. You can do design work, dev work, consulting, etc.

.0xunkn0wn: I'll just ask Gemini to create its own profile 🙏

theaiguy69420_89814: AI can help people pivot now

theaiguy69420_89814: So like, if you've got a mechanical engineering degree, you can probably just bust out software, etc

theaiguy69420_89814: Just cuz you have the basic applied maths background

alejandrozarzuelo: lmao

alejandrozarzuelo: lol

alejandrozarzuelo: xd

theaiguy69420_89814: What

alejandrozarzuelo: aint no way you get 15k dollar per month salary by being a nobody using AI

you do know thats lile a top 0.1% salary right

theaiguy69420_89814: I mean, I'm not a nobody using AI, I have industry experience

theaiguy69420_89814: But it's possible to make decent money without such experience

theaiguy69420_89814: There are platforms like Fiverr, etc

theaiguy69420_89814: Where you don't need to have such credentials

return_to_monke1_33974: inventing general relativity from only pre-Einstein knowledge isnt solved lol

return_to_monke1_33974: but thats basically ASI

return_to_monke1_33974: or 2 months before ASI

return_to_monke1_33974: when will AI become better than all humans at stock market investing ?


hikukomoru: No we're all evil

spicy.lemonade: Been one year since sora

spicy.lemonade: Would make sense

trent_k: # fuck sora

spicy.lemonade: Sora isnt bad. We just have better stuff now

3ds0662: <@704566357743632404> <@430269783112548362> https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/s/qW9DC8miuF

3ds0662: Elon isn’t out the race just yet

drewsni: tbh ive not gotten one even decent output out of sora

.0xunkn0wn: 4o image generation woooooo

3ds0662: He came back in black rock style

zonchao: xai is a top lab now, they have the talent and funding, they won't be out of the race for a while <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

ailoveyoom: GPT-3.5 isn't bad. We just have better stuff now

ailoveyoom: 😈

trent_k: Ppl hyped up sora so much but unless you're actively making a ton of videos like what is even the point of it?

hikukomoru: WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT OAI
WE GOT GEMINI 2.5 PRO BABYYY

trent_k: It's a toy for 99.9% of users

trent_k: 5 seconds of amusement and then you never pick it up again

zonchao: wrong

zonchao: 100% of the users

drewsni: https://huggingface.co/spaces/Roblox/cube3d-interactive

literallyvarane: Ngl for me at this point I’m seeing 4o updates in general as stagnation. How long until 4o is properly sunset? If it’s sunset with 5, then clearly 5 isn’t that close?

st.sioux: isn't that true for image gen too?

drewsni: wait i didnt know roblox fucking cooked

trent_k: Ur forgetting the videographers openai paid to make bad music videos

zonchao: they are now ostracized and jobless

st.sioux:

drewsni: actually really good lol

trent_k: No, because image gen is at least fast and cheap enough people can use it to jerk off to.
Jokes aside, image gen being faster and cheaper makes it useful for a lot of real world work like logo design. Sora just doesn't have that benefit

spicy.lemonade: I mean yeah that's a good way to look at it. Bad would be if a gpt 3.5 level
Model dropped today

.0xunkn0wn: 😨

spicy.lemonade: That's like calling the Og transistor bad

spicy.lemonade: Not bad

spicy.lemonade: We just moved forward

literallyvarane: Merge the labs when

hikukomoru: Wym

spicy.lemonade: Google and openAI merge would cause slowdown

spicy.lemonade: Bc one never drops

literallyvarane: We we merging the labs? OpenGoThropicAI

zonchao: https://x.com/kalinowski007/status/1904246466291601672?

hikukomoru: Don't merge pls
Competition good actually