brain4brain: Why are all the people named “Gary” always so pessimistic

st.sioux: having such a name makes them that way

clevermoniker: i have spoken with an AI engineer and he told me that after AI reaches 30 minutes very high accuracy that it can be extended practically to infinity

spicy.lemonade: hm if we assume cl;aude plays pokemmon is 10 mins short term memory

spicy.lemonade: this kinda adds

ldj: A lot of differing views on that amongst AI researchers and engineers.
asking an AI engineer that question is not much more reliable than asking them directly when AGI would be achieved.
you'll get a ton of different answers

brain4brain: <:based:1136264604788473946> <:based:1136264604788473946> <:based:1136264604788473946>

st.sioux: if we can assign tickets to a coding agent that take 15-30 minutes then it would be extremely useful, like replace-all-juniors useful

brain4brain: Hopecore

clevermoniker: i hope he's right but could just simply be wrong indeed

metaldragon01: Most task can be broken up into 15 to 30 minute task imo

spicy.lemonade: yeah well maybe not 15

spicy.lemonade: 30 min to1 hour

brain4brain: One thing with the METR paper I’ve failed to wrap my mind around is that it eventually go to millennium ish territory, and I don’t know if they are implying centuries of work done in a few turn by an agent or that is the upper bound of agent and the actual time will not be a few turn like current system

ldj: It has nothing to do with the time it takes the AI agent to do the task

ldj: it simply is difficulty measured by how long it would take a human to do such task

ldj: so 1,000 years means that it is able to do task that would've taken a human 1,000 years to achieve.

brain4brain: So by the law they discovered AI agent should be able to do a millennium worth of work in just a few minuets by 2030 - 2040?

spicy.lemonade: i mean gemini can do stuff that would take a human an hour to do in minutes

brain4brain: Exactly

spicy.lemonade: didnt o1 get 100% on carnegie mellon test

spicy.lemonade: few minutes

spicy.lemonade: and test was like 1.5 hours long

clevermoniker: <:pepethink:1136282436242788482>

ldj: > in just a few minuets
again it has nothing to do with how long the AI agent takes to do the task.
maybe it will take the AI agent 100,000 years to do it, maybe it will take the AI agent 2 days to do it, maybe it will take the AI agent 2 seconds to do it.

ldj: But it's an upper bound of what the frontier capabilities at the time will be capable of

ldj: so basically on max reasoning mode

clevermoniker: I think, in my AGI definition, time does matter but cost does not

clevermoniker: it needs to do stuff on a human level at a resonably similar time

clevermoniker: it doesn't matter if it costs 1 million times more than a human

clevermoniker: but if it does it at the same speed and skill, that's what is important

clevermoniker: because after it can do it at the same speed, what is needed is simply cost reduction

st.sioux: i figure it would eventually figure out how to lower costs by itself

spicy.lemonade: time not being included in this is crazy

spicy.lemonade: human time should be the uper bound

spicy.lemonade: does task in human time or less

brain4brain: If it’s the upper bound, there are bound to be a point where there are no longer a limit extend to infinity, so the amount of work it can do in a set time will be the next thing that will get benchmarked

brain4brain: The paper based off the upper bound based off how long it takes the human

spicy.lemonade: wouldnt call it revolutionary if it took 1 year to do 30 min task

ldj: But then you're not just measring the AI, but you're measuring the hardware too


metaldragon01: They have the growth they have because they have the best product atm

spicy.lemonade: one of the open AI guys said we will like what we SEE

metaldragon01: I like the google models but it's not enough to drop my openai sub

spicy.lemonade: so i think visual reasoning?

spicy.lemonade: for one of these models

spicy.lemonade: maybe 4.1

joaoluz19: I think the same tbh, no expectations

okbut: This was true at one point

okbut: Now they ride the root in media and loyalty

metaldragon01: I think it was just to get people to not overthink the openrouter models being openai

spicy.lemonade: in 12 hours we are gonna be hype asf lmao

metaldragon01: Still is for me

darkstar0818: I am not saying they dont do good work.  I am saying unlike grok3's report card they don't even show the shaded bar graphs.

metaldragon01: At least they showed the cons number

okbut: They have image gen, but every model release quickly has its lesser-reported upset

okbut: 2.5 Coder <:prayge:806672915499319317>

metaldragon01: If I had to suggest 1 sub to someone new to ai I'm suggesting openai

darkstar0818: You still have people comparing their reported values with 'pro' levels of sampling against models with no sampling and claiming this means the model is n percent better.

okbut: Try Gemini Pro, first month is free

okbut: cancel sub 1 minute after ofc

metaldragon01: We have 3 party benchmarks like livebench to keep companies honest

metaldragon01: What people present means little before 3rd party evals

darkstar0818: Can you even test o1 or o3-mini with 1 sample via api?

metaldragon01: I already use gemini models

metaldragon01: I don't think the sub is worth it over openai for most people though

okbut: >To fine-tune to perform better on them, thus overfit <:smug:1069692368359522455>

st.sioux: gemini pro not worth it

metaldragon01: Pro is awesome

st.sioux: i meant advanced fuck

st.sioux: the sub

metaldragon01: If openai didn't exist it would be the favorite

metaldragon01: Close 2nd

okbut: For us no, but for the common person not so deep in the space I'd say it's the best

metaldragon01: No way lol

metaldragon01: Openai they get

metaldragon01: Video, voice, memory, smart enough ai

okbut: Seriously, try Gemini

metaldragon01: Still no veo 2

metaldragon01: ......entropy I'm a gemini fan

metaldragon01: Probably the biggest fan next to dark


himekokatagiri: let me see

metaldragon01: https://fxtwitter.com/OpenAI/status/1915505959931437178

.histic: "Once limits for the original version of deep research are reached, queries automatically default to the lightweight version."

interesting..

.histic: Deep Research for free users is now a thing.

metaldragon01: Competition is good

himekokatagiri: Pretty accurate

ldj: https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

literallyvarane: Fairly exciting.

literallyvarane: Sauce?

literallyvarane: I still gotta drop $20 on Google’s model for a month to test their DR tbh.

.histic:

literallyvarane: Really interesting. Curious what GPT5DR will be like.

zoermena: RIP

literallyvarane: I Google’s graphs indicate 2.5’s DR is *much* stronger, but I honestly haven’t seen an example of its output to make the comparison.

zoermena: [This message was removed in order to keep fetish posting to a minimum]

himekokatagiri: Use the nano factory to make a Tommy gun

himekokatagiri: and terrorize the countryside

himekokatagiri: you?

.histic: @ fractalcomputer

jonvi_1: Deep Research 04-mini

fractalcomputer: Well?

jonvi_1: Lol

.histic: we need to see that manifesto of yours.

joaoluz19: <@432515827443433472> where's AGI

joaoluz19: You promissed us

.histic: man, OpenAI is shipping so hard that it is making me hard.
Anthropic is ngmi.

metaldragon01: Anthropic will make it but I think we either see a pivot or a more narrow focus

metaldragon01: Maybe Dario is ok as long as they have enough funding for safety research to just be a successful lab that does meaningful work

spicy.lemonade: anthropic doesnt have the gpus

metaldragon01: https://www.darioamodei.com/post/the-urgency-of-interpretability

joaoluz19: The CEO of singularity

metaldragon01: Dario is all In on interpretability

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: still thinks country of geniuses 2027

himekokatagiri: I'm getting a job at the convenience store

himekokatagiri: I hope it won't kill me

.histic: it will

himekokatagiri: shit if they mug me I'll let them take everything

himekokatagiri: I ain't gonna die before the singularity

.histic: everything


3ds0662: the labs seem soo hype when you look back in retrospect at their releases vs reality

destrucules: I mean... Imo the models are exactly what they were hyped to be, at each and every point in time. We're just habituating to these capabilities

destrucules: You can't interact with all of the older models but I think Claude 2 is still up on OpenRouter. Llama 2 13B Chat is still up I think. Try the old models. Try fuckin Mistral-7B. And remember.

destrucules: What was once genuinely monumental and paradigm shifting, namely ChatGPT from November 30th 2022, is now available at 1.7B parameters. We consider it "weak". Sota is three orders of magnitude beyond that. And we are used to it now, because it's been more than one month

bob082957: When was the end off scraping?

destrucules: With reasoning enabled, Qwen3-1.7B matches Llama 3 70B Instruct. Do you remember early 2024? Do you remember comparing Claude 3 Sonnet and Llama 3 70B rankings in the arena? Do you remember when even having a 70B that good was groundbreaking?

destrucules: Like... Because prior to that, the best 70Bs were just barely better than GPT-3.5?

destrucules: The exact same model series, same training recipe, same everything, includes a 235B on par with Claude 3.7 Sonnet. Feel them out. Feel the difference. Play with them. We have come a *long* way

destrucules: 0.6B: 2021 sota
1.7B: 2022 sota
4B: 2023 sota
14B: 2024 sota before December
235B: 2024 sota

Interacting with these different model sizes is essentially a time machine. Transport yourself to what we used to consider cutting edge. And feel the difference. We have actually come so far

destrucules: I mean shit, remember last summer when Llama 3.1 405B Instruct was a big deal? That capability level is matched by Qwen3-8B

destrucules: The 30B everyone is raving about is as good as Gemini 2.0 Flash

a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/1918570988456788201

fractalcomputer: "Ultra", "Omni model", "cooking so hard", "2.5 pro already is sota" "find out soon"

spicy.lemonade: huh

fractalcomputer: The language is trite and insular.

drewsni: This sounds like something that the fractal from  llama3-singularity would say

fractalcomputer: Probably. I mean, it's clear as day from the tweet to what audience it was intended.

maintcrew: the purpose of language is to communicate thoughts and emotions from the speaker to the listener

maintcrew: the purpose of the language is not the language itself

fractalcomputer: What listener? The listener is a generic, faceless, amorphous blob of stereotypes here—not another person.

fractalcomputer: If I only ever addressed my speeches towards some vague stereotype of a Yudkowskite cultist like the lot of you are, things would get rather boring rather quickly, wouldn't they?

spicy.lemonade: so what do you expect him to say

spicy.lemonade: ?

.0xunkn0wn: guys

spicy.lemonade: ultra is the name of the model. its an omni model, 2.5 pro is state of the art

.0xunkn0wn: how powerful do ya think AI investing engines will be in 2030

.0xunkn0wn: if say i made like my personal/customized one

.0xunkn0wn: like roi per year

fractalcomputer: Yes, and the retardation of those nominations is even more evincing of the retardation of their marketing departments.

spicy.lemonade: what

fractalcomputer: I don't know, probably something that looks like it's come from the mouth of a real person?

spicy.lemonade: im not trying to read a whole essay to get news

return_to_monke1_33974: i wonder what generation of gemini does google consider AGI
maybe gemeni 4 or 5

spicy.lemonade: likeley 5

fractalcomputer: You can wait for a few more lines of text before having your fix.

.0xunkn0wn: i hope gemini 5 can vibe code me a trading bot 🙏

.0xunkn0wn: or maybe even sooner

.0xunkn0wn: but ngl i feel the acceleration and singularity lmao

.0xunkn0wn: like

.0xunkn0wn: its so hard to think our models were so shit like a year ago


mihrcelium: lol

anathemaofmankind: AI art use cases
-> Create digital media. Replacement for traditional art at a cheaper cost. Graphic design

NFTs
-> ????

ldj: get some sleep 🙏
its not worth it

zoermena: Oh my god you are mihr

zoermena: I thought you died lol

mihrcelium: Oh shit, do you know me from elsewhere?

anathemaofmankind: NFT defenders in this server that's crazy

anathemaofmankind: We're not beating the allegations

zoermena: Just from here but haven’t seen you in a while

mihrcelium: Oh. Ok. Phew.

spicy.lemonade: I bet animators working at anime studios are so happy

spicy.lemonade: about ai art

spicy.lemonade: they work like 24/7

ldj: from the furry server <a:mhm:1241863658284253264>

spicy.lemonade: minimum wage

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/goodnight-minecraft-meme-shaq-gif-10349332938903351352

brain4brain: Last time I’m on red note, Chinese people seems very fond of AI, even the artist, while in the western hemisphere of the internet, everyone seems to hate AI

spicy.lemonade: artists make memes like this

anathemaofmankind: They're probably mad.

They'll think it's an existential threat instead of something that can help

brain4brain: Polar opposite reaction to AI

spicy.lemonade: no chanc

spicy.lemonade: mappa uses any tech

spicy.lemonade: they can

brain4brain: There are also UFO conspiracy theorist here

spicy.lemonade: animators dont care about soul

spicy.lemonade: theyre trying to get th product out

spicy.lemonade: unlike these solo artists

spicy.lemonade: lol

anathemaofmankind: I checked Baidu a few months ago and I saw pretty negative sentiment

anathemaofmankind: From the chinese forums or whatever

brain4brain: Oh wow

.histic:

spicy.lemonade: om on wechat rn

spicy.lemonade: its positive sentiment

ldj: https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-fish-looking-phone-disappointment-gif-23326574

mihrcelium: Fuck. I almost got away with it.

brain4brain: Try the upside method

mihrcelium: >_>

mihrcelium: That actually works?

brain4brain: Spicy lemonade is CCP agent confirmed


3ds0662: noam brown even corrected david shapiro about that he’s switched from being a hype tweeter

3ds0662: to being more realistic these days

3ds0662: the funniest tweet being “we solved math” that was funny

3ds0662: and everytime i hear about darpa attempting things with ai again its a nothing burger to me in a sense because the talent pushing this are all at companies not in a niche government branch

3ds0662: you can point to them inventing internet etc… but they arent that darpa and this isnt the 1900s, 70s, 80s etc…

3ds0662: even academia cant keep up with ai or meaningfully contribute to it as they used to

3ds0662: simply not enough compute

3ds0662: this is now the terrain of hedgefunds deepseek, and billion + companies

brain4brain: I also think we would saturate everything this year, including HLE and FrontierMath

spicy.lemonade: hle wont be saturated

spicy.lemonade: until we perfect image understanding

spicy.lemonade: and spatial reasoning

professorheaven: HLE, FronterMath and Arc 2 are the last men standing

professorheaven: Once those get saturated, we’re at the end game

brain4brain: It will be this year

spicy.lemonade: nah there will be a benchmark called steambench or something

brain4brain: It will perfected soon, spatial reasoning will also be solve

spicy.lemonade: where it has to play any game on steam

spicy.lemonade: and also research bench for openAI

brain4brain: All the good agentic benchmark are ignored and not maintained and the AI community instead focus on knowledge benchmark for now, highly disappointing

a1c4p0ne: https://www.twitch.tv/gemini_plays_pokemon

brain4brain: Did math just got automated

brain4brain: https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-Prover-V2-671B

spicy.lemonade: nothing there

.0xunkn0wn: guys

.0xunkn0wn: what's best for coding rn

.0xunkn0wn: maybe code editor as well idk

.0xunkn0wn: is zed code editor good

.0xunkn0wn: or like

.0xunkn0wn: what's the best for vibe coding rn

.0xunkn0wn: 😨

.0xunkn0wn: WHY DID IT SEND A SKULL

professorheaven: 2.5 pro, it’s best for everything tbh

return_to_monke1_33974: any explanation why the IQ test of AI seems consistent with performance?

return_to_monke1_33974: this indicates a general sense of inteligence

return_to_monke1_33974: not like the "AI is dumb " crowd says

spicy.lemonade: Is tests intellectual horsepower

spicy.lemonade: Yeah they aren’t dumb

spicy.lemonade: Iq already assumes general intelligence though

spicy.lemonade: Like an additional thing


hikukomoru: Wtf do you mean how I knwo

alejandrozarzuelo: <@200624453795708928> can confirm i have great hair

futurist_wizard: Oh you mean Portuguese

hikukomoru: Yeah

wellmeaningalien: ok ill be honest i dont know if this one is ai generated or not but i think so

futurist_wizard: In the uk that hair type is very rare

mihrcelium:

alejandrozarzuelo: thats more me haha

alejandrozarzuelo: i dont wear belts but thats nitcpicking

alejandrozarzuelo: at this rate you'll know my entire wardrobe

mihrcelium: Why don't you wear belts?

alejandrozarzuelo: they are unconfortable

mihrcelium: <:02S_SideEye:1275173727780474880>

technocake.: yeah he really does

zoermena: Real talk there!

mihrcelium: https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/the-real-story-behind-sam-altman-firing-from-openai-efd51a5d

mihrcelium: Posted already?

mihrcelium: <:fg_joeuhok:1154875524393472030>

otub:

otub: accelerate

ldj: yea already posted

spacetimetsunami: Guys Gemini 2.5 Pro says LEV achieved in 2035 is extraordinarily unlikely….its so over

ldj: There is a lot of things in here that I can't verify or dismiss, but atleast one thing in the article about how the board wasn't made aware of ChatGPT, I'm pretty confident that's embellishing/exaggerating what actually happened.

ldj: not based on a vibe, but I mean based on prior information I know.

spicy.lemonade: too many safetycells at openai

.histic: not much anymore

spicy.lemonade: https://gemini.google.com/share/dd74a82eaa14

spicy.lemonade: wow

.histic: Gemini canvas is so buggy

spicy.lemonade: how so

ldj: <@132657418428481536>  did you see the METR paper on AIs being able to consistently achieve capabilities along greater time horizons ?

.histic: what model by default does it use?

alejandrozarzuelo: ??

spicy.lemonade: Omg

spicy.lemonade: Artists online are bullying me

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: I posted ai art

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: Comments are so angry lmaooo


retrerox: I'm 32 so i'm starting gym now and keeping my body and brain as clean as possible for that day 🙏

retrerox: Tbh i feel more probable that we might just get robot bodes that figure out how to fix our bodies.

Both are very futuristicals but yea 😂

spicy.lemonade: im 18, I should be good🙏

spicy.lemonade: in 10 years ill still be in my prime

shirethedreamer: are you spanish?

retrerox: Not from spain but i do speak spanish

shirethedreamer: i noticed only spanish speaking people write immortality like this

retrerox: yeah in spanish is Inmortalidad which is the reason why we mispronounce it

retrerox: Since is very similar

shirethedreamer: yeah i assumed there is a very similar word

spicy.lemonade: whats the first thing youl do when fdvr gets announced

retrerox: I mean at the moment Ai can actually make "her own thoughts" , it will develop faster

retrerox: Another thing that push back the human interms of science is morality.

We wouldn't  had so big discoverements in medicine if WW2 was not a thing that happend.

spicy.lemonade: we also probably wouldnt have had computers if ww2 didnt happen

spicy.lemonade: lol

retrerox: Specially because the competition of Rus and USA we wouldnt reach the moon back when we did

retrerox: thats why i like there is multiple companies pushing AI

retrerox: competition allow humans make wonder

_cloudost: So, apparently they have one issue with the openAI's image generator, the drawings have too much "noise" aka random grayish dots

_cloudost: And the noise makes them think it's ass

_cloudost: You can find noise in this image for example

_cloudost: Any way to remove it?

_3sphere: Denoise features in other image software I guess

_3sphere: Median filter seems like a solid choice for this

popsiclejohnithan:

popsiclejohnithan: Let's see what they cook.

shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/waiting-hurry-impatient-gif-22696825

popsiclejohnithan:

popsiclejohnithan: Not bad.

shirethedreamer: interesting that it went for an abstract painting

popsiclejohnithan: Yeah it's quite lovely, and people call this soulless.

popsiclejohnithan: It asked me if i wanted another i said go ahead, i'll post when they are done.

shirethedreamer: definitely good
i like it

popsiclejohnithan: Oh genuinely you could hang that up on a wall and no one would be the wiser.

popsiclejohnithan:

popsiclejohnithan: They made this one a little less vibrant.

popsiclejohnithan: I'm getting flashbacks to the Detroit become human painting scene lol.

popsiclejohnithan:

retrerox: How you made the letters on blue?

popsiclejohnithan: You just select create image, that's how it pops up.


hey1_1hey: Rings a bell

technocake.: sounds like the bi dream

zoermena: There’s always someone, one of my friends was drunk and he touched me inappropriately while I was turning on a console

maintcrew: nobody wants to see men kissing everybody wants to see girls doing
its a matter of inherent aesthetics
men are fundamentally ugly and repulsive when compared

futurist_wizard: It is fun

alejandrozarzuelo: This is because of the patriarchy

hikukomoru: Being gay is not a culture thing bro

hey1_1hey: Imagine haveing 1 phycotic hot gf? Pretty cool right? Now imagine having 2 that fight over you? Now thats real shit. This polyamoruy thing is growing on em

hey1_1hey: What yes it is

alejandrozarzuelo: The idea of being gay is tho

People just used to do gay stuff but they didn't identify themselves with a label

hikukomoru: Yeah and it shows

maintcrew: "patriachy" 💔
gay af

hey1_1hey: How?

hey1_1hey: I know litterly 20

hey1_1hey: prob more

drewsni: how

alejandrozarzuelo: That's literally impossible

hey1_1hey: Actually more like 50

futurist_wizard: 1 one was trans the other was cis, they liked and did different things

maintcrew: i dont think i know 50 people in total ur coping

hey1_1hey: No like serously, everyone I know is gay

hikukomoru: More than 1 person is too much for me

drewsni: i know 50 gay people

hey1_1hey: Also wdym you dont know 50 people

hikukomoru: Are you a hermit

hey1_1hey: I was half joking

zoermena: Bro is in a frat college of course there are no gay people, none that would come out anyway. We live in different circles.

drewsni:

hey1_1hey: I thought you were a hermit but then I heard about danserk not knowng 50 people

maintcrew: no im socially well adjusted and i work but i dont know the names of 50 people i think

maintcrew: let me see

alejandrozarzuelo: It's true tho

hikukomoru: Well I like to identify with labels

technocake.: half of them are bi

futurist_wizard: Many people are in the closet

hey1_1hey: I prob know in total... Let me think

oooooooooog: then how can i see them

hey1_1hey: That I actually talk to. I prob know over 200 people on the low end

hikukomoru: Why did you think I was a hermit

hey1_1hey: Thats not a question


alejandrozarzuelo: i would do that for a day i claim to remember

alejandrozarzuelo: like

alejandrozarzuelo: if you asked me aboyt last years birthday

alejandrozarzuelo: then i would definitely hallucinate

spicy.lemonade: til Aidan is trans

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: i like that theres so many diverse people at openAI

spicy.lemonade: gives me good hopes for alignment

joaoluz19: <@471334973379706900> I marked the wrong message mb

joaoluz19: Interesting, I would like to experience it against entering in a Mary's room problem

joaoluz19: That was the right

okbut: You can identify as whatever in your off time, but it's boy/girl for DoD

okbut: -to answer

a1c4p0ne: https://github.com/vectara/hallucination-leaderboard?tab=readme-ov-file

spicy.lemonade: leaderboard already basically saturated

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: 0.7%

a1c4p0ne: people are saying o3 mini was better than o4 mini

spicy.lemonade: i mean 2.0 is better than 2.5 here too

spicy.lemonade: clearly a bit of a tradeoff here as they scalled up reasoning

spicy.lemonade: will be fixed

a1c4p0ne: yeah

a1c4p0ne: 2.5 1.1% isn't bad

spicy.lemonade: yeah

a1c4p0ne: Claude 3.7 all the way at the bottom

a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

spicy.lemonade: damn

spicy.lemonade: the pope they pick

spicy.lemonade: might be the last pope

a1c4p0ne:

spicy.lemonade: and most important

spicy.lemonade: the pope that will guide christians during singularity

spicy.lemonade: they should chose a smart one

spicy.lemonade: society not freaking out depends on him

spicy.lemonade: and he better not say some bs like
"asi is actually jesus comming down and the singularity is judgement day"

a1c4p0ne:

spicy.lemonade: wait thats actually a good idea

spicy.lemonade: super inteligent god is jesus coming down in new form
judgement day is the singularity
and everyone going to heaven is fdvr world?

spicy.lemonade: thatl calm everyone down

spicy.lemonade: bit of translations here and there and you have yourself a story


brain4brain: Why

oooooooooog: that's true, but we need him for the troll emoji

spacetimetsunami: I guess…

brain4brain: That is true

spacetimetsunami: I like him but

brain4brain: I lost my grasp emoji now 😔

brain4brain: And my favorite stickers

spacetimetsunami: Every time I try and change his mind on something he always is like “okay let’s stop the convo”

spacetimetsunami: Mostly with politics

spacetimetsunami: Why’d u delete that

spacetimetsunami: That wasn’t that bad

spacetimetsunami: Lmaoo

brain4brain: <@560984241526013954> We will now use <:Alan:1136264610161365003> for :trolled:

brain4brain: This server will survive the great boost depression

brain4brain: The anime singularity empire will expand…

oooooooooog: eh...

brain4brain: Although the anime singularity only have 40 members, it’s already on the super power level of official r/singularity discord and Siev’s server

brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/navy-armada-aircraft-carrier-dominate-gif-11313179

oooooooooog: i deleted an emoji thinking discord would let me upload another

oooooooooog: but no

oooooooooog: i just erased it fornothing...

oooooooooog: sorry yin/yang emoji

brain4brain: We lost another solider in the trade war, the PS6 tariff is too strong

brain4brain:

brain4brain: Siev server remains un effected from their own boost supply of shumaze and siev

spacetimetsunami: https://tenor.com/view/cat-singularity-cats-space-universe-gif-21688597

spacetimetsunami: It’ll look like this

spacetimetsunami: Right before ASI

spacetimetsunami: Singularity….woahhhhhhhhh

brain4brain: Why

brain4brain: Won’t Dyson sphere be built after ASI

spacetimetsunami: Cuz we’re entering the singularity, it’s a play on black hole singularity

spacetimetsunami: And we don’t know what lies beyond

brain4brain: Ah

spicy.lemonade: im tired of ts

brain4brain: icl ts pmo sm n sb rn ngl, ru srsly srs n fr rn vro? lol atp js go b fr vro, idek nm, brb gng gtg atm Imao, bt ts pyo 2 js Imk lol onb fronty b fr rn lk

st.sioux: ts pmo fr tho sft ots

fractalcomputer: Absolutely incomprehensible.

brain4brain: Exactly

hey1_1hey: I can't tell if these are internet acronyms are an actual language 😭


wellmeaningalien: geddit

maintcrew: they should lock in fr

maintcrew: actually nvm keep sending us ur your best

wellmeaningalien: yeah but i mean

wellmeaningalien: considering it's ai and the end goal is vastly different instead of just plateauing

futurist_wizard: 17.78% of humans are indians

wellmeaningalien: ig might see good enough return when their products start to be on par with human labor

wellmeaningalien: unless they inadvertently crash the economy

wellmeaningalien: lol

maintcrew: pretty wild to think u only have 1/7 chance to be born in the west or protectorates like south korea or japan

wellmeaningalien: 17.78% of humans are indian and roughly the same is chinese

maintcrew: also the arabs and the africans are a shit ton

wellmeaningalien: so thats like 38.46% of humanity that's some sort of asian

wellmeaningalien: true facts

wellmeaningalien: in tons of countries but a shit ton

wellmeaningalien: nigeria's already the same population as the us

wellmeaningalien: oh nvm 2/3rds

maintcrew: imagine being an arab couldnt be me right hysminea

wellmeaningalien: no my hamood habibi

wellmeaningalien: i mean my fellow white man

maintcrew: bangaldesh is the same population in the land mass of 1/3 of california or something crazy like that

wellmeaningalien: wait till u hear bout the island of java

wellmeaningalien: in like malaysia

wellmeaningalien: indonesia*

a1c4p0ne: https://arxiv.org/abs/2503.21934v1

wellmeaningalien: but like tiny ass island, 100 million people. thats the population of russia, and japan (not together)

a1c4p0ne: Max score 5% for top llms

wellmeaningalien: like 1/3rd the area of japan

wellmeaningalien: meanwhile japan has like the densest urban area on earth

wellmeaningalien: i wonder how olympiad scores will coincide with arc agi 2

a1c4p0ne: It will be interesting

wellmeaningalien: funny cause one's the hardest brain scratchers man's invented and the other are preschool puzzles

maintcrew: <@458069236825194506> invincibles comic version goes crazy sometimes

wellmeaningalien: they would never have this in the show cuz broke

wellmeaningalien: went woke and broke

spicy.lemonade: Every time a paper comes out like this

spicy.lemonade: It gets crushed within 6 months

spicy.lemonade: lol

a1c4p0ne: Hopefully quicker

a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>


alejandrozarzuelo: Damn, bro has low standards

futurist_wizard:

rayanquitplayin: I also think China could be ahead, at least culturally, they’re really big on STEM

alejandrozarzuelo: I don't think we can say that either will have a lead in the foreseeable future

futurist_wizard: I was fucking shocked when i found this out

alejandrozarzuelo: Both will be tied for a while

hikukomoru: I hope China wins tbh
Because I don't want Trump to get AGI first

alejandrozarzuelo: I hope both do it at the same time

alejandrozarzuelo: I don't want either to dominate long term

futurist_wizard: I hope Switzerland wins the ai race

hikukomoru: Do you really want Trump and Elon to have AGI

rayanquitplayin: AI says America’s ahead but our debt is what concerns me

alejandrozarzuelo: I used to be anti US because of this but now that China is basically in parity, I prefer both of them to be neck and neck

alejandrozarzuelo: Hopefully the EU and maybe Brazil? Can compete and also join the race as an equal

hikukomoru: Wtf Alehandro I thought you were a China simp

futurist_wizard: Relax with the brazil

alejandrozarzuelo: I am, I prefer the chinese system, but I don't like hegemons

rayanquitplayin: I like that it’s a competition, it’ll fuel the advancement of the technology

alejandrozarzuelo: Sorry it's so funny that they have an o1 level ai

futurist_wizard: The eu would be further but they are in a state of self sabotage

.wolfnacht: We all know france would win the Ai race with Mistral-Large-666B (degenerate edition)

alejandrozarzuelo: I will help France soon

hikukomoru: Now that I know there is brasilian AI I can't stop thinking about it
I hope they make Brazilian Miku real

alejandrozarzuelo: 🇪🇺 🇫🇷

rayanquitplayin: I hope Europe gets agi

futurist_wizard: Only thing good trumpie did was ignore ai regulations, and that was a total fluke in being productive

alejandrozarzuelo: Please france, we rely on you

alejandrozarzuelo: I identify as French now

futurist_wizard: Brazilian miku is very sexy

alejandrozarzuelo: Oui oui

.wolfnacht: well even russia getting agi is much better than US getting it first

alejandrozarzuelo: (I do speak French and did work at a French tech company )

hikukomoru: All brazilian girls look like that btw

.wolfnacht: well yandex's about come up with something...(*baby steps like LG*)

alejandrozarzuelo: That's what mixed race does, makes people sexier

futurist_wizard: I prefer brazilian miku to normal miku

hikukomoru: God no
I don't want Putin AGI

.wolfnacht: some people are just soo anti-russia

hikukomoru: I would rather Trump and Elon AGI than Putin AGI

alejandrozarzuelo: Vasconcello was right


brain4brain: And psychological warfare doesn't work as these anti-ai refuse to use AI which means superhuman persuasion capabilities can't be used

brain4brain: However superhuman persuasion capabilities can be used for lobbying and preventing more anti-AI people from forming

popsiclejohnithan: You're right the A.I. will get smart enough to talk anyone out of it, let's just hope they get that smart before these scared idiots go apeshit.

popsiclejohnithan: It's a race between the A.I. evolving past us first or them striking first.

popsiclejohnithan: And the Tariff war will slow A.I. progress sadly, money is going to dry up because of this recession, it's an utter circus.

popsiclejohnithan: Somtimes i wonder how our species got this far.

_cloudost: Agreed,  ( although I wasn't being serious )

_cloudost: They would call us Nazis if we were to say the same sentiment

popsiclejohnithan: Ironically the Nazis would side with them, they'd view A.I. as degenerate.

popsiclejohnithan: Even if they won that war they would have stagnated and collapsed over the years for their rejection of "Jewish" science.

popsiclejohnithan: Blind hatred is self distructive.

popsiclejohnithan: But anyway i'll shut up about politics before i get banned.

memlaswaif: who cares about tarrifs dover cliffs guitar riffs, agi in 5

playstation.6: where did you find this?

gamerbath: on my poor poor website that I must tend to with some optimization improvements. branching.chat

brain4brain: LiveBench

popsiclejohnithan: https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/1912108391218163783

playstation.6:

brain4brain: Scroll down lil bro

brain4brain: It’s currently right under GPT-4o

playstation.6: o3 mini low in the global average

zonchao: https://x.com/Jiankui_He/status/1912049232984653961

brain4brain: I didn’t even see that only saw GPT-4.1 mini

hey1_1hey: https://x.com/Jiankui_He/status/1911993600176734517 This guy is actually pretty good at shitposting

zonchao: https://x.com/Jiankui_He/status/1912127487343235186

brain4brain: Wow, Demis’s AGI definition is really bending my mind, his “invent general relativity from only 19th century science” is more plausible than ever, but I can’t comprehend if the “invent a game like Go (not go but new)” is currently possible, it seems like it is

brain4brain: But I’m not sure

futurist_wizard:

thedon7075: the subreddit

playstation.6: I found it on livebench

himekokatagiri: But catgirls cure disease of the soul Dr. Jiankui

himekokatagiri: a man of science such as you would understand

_cloudost: Is his account hacked by <@505313122802728972> ?

hey1_1hey: WTF HAPPNED TO BRO

hey1_1hey: Loneliness is the biggest crisis they say after all

hey1_1hey: I am not too sure who said that but someone has bound to of said that

_cloudost: Btw I got access to Veo 2, can't generate anything

futurist_wizard: Improvement

himekokatagiri: The anime gang will take over

himekokatagiri: Dammnnn


alejandrozarzuelo: It's karaokeizable

trojan09205: You guys ever seen “The Holy Mountain”

alejandrozarzuelo: No

alejandrozarzuelo: Which one?

himekokatagiri: https://youtu.be/m_k6Pab5CAo

himekokatagiri: Alejandro in youth

alejandrozarzuelo: There is a fine a dozen

trojan09205: Bro the jodorowky classic film

trojan09205: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Mountain_(1973_film)

trojan09205: I dont think this server is 18+ so i wont share a yt clip

trojan09205: Its truly a trip that movie

alejandrozarzuelo: I don't watch many films

alejandrozarzuelo: Why

alejandrozarzuelo: Like

alejandrozarzuelo: I don't understand

alejandrozarzuelo: I don't even like football lol

alejandrozarzuelo: Also I'm 24

trojan09205: Just find a YouTube clip. Its one of the surrealist social commentary films probably of all time

trojan09205: https://youtu.be/sIdniqkleG4?si=M58OjZ6dmt0UD_t7

nester173: https://arxiv.org/html/2501.16396v1

nester173: What do you guys think of this?

futurist_wizard: Football is garbage

maintcrew: "idk" until a hyper scaler tries it

anathemaofmankind: How can I make sure humanity goes extinct if I kill myself first.

You have to make sure it's finished

alejandrozarzuelo: Eh its just not my cup of tea

alejandrozarzuelo: But it's alright, I don't have anything against it

himekokatagiri: <@578146630222741504> you're anime! like me!

himekokatagiri: can't we y'know come to a consensus?

Carl-bot#1536:

futurist_wizard: Every world cup i have to listen to 'ITS COMING HOME' I root for England to lose just from hearing that every 4 years

anathemaofmankind: When has humanity ever come to a consensus

himekokatagiri: Forget humanity

himekokatagiri: you and me

himekokatagiri: <:coy:1187466404367175821>

anathemaofmankind: Sounds gay

himekokatagiri: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

alejandrozarzuelo: Ah yeah I hate the obnoxiousness but that's a different thing from the sport itself

Also in Spain football replaced bullfighting as the sport of choice so that's nice, even if I don't like the screaming

futurist_wizard: You mean you don't like loud places or the screams of terror?

hikukomoru: This server isn't 18+ but it should be

alejandrozarzuelo: The screams of terror football fans do

I'm Spanish, it's impossible for me to dislike loud Places, have you heard the volume at which we talk?


wellmeaningalien: But the Number 1 advantage it has right now is that it has a huge context window

wellmeaningalien: It's less retarded than o3-mini which loves to make shit up all the time and constantly forgets stuff

precariousworlds.: I still think gpt has the best memory across chats, most organic language, best quality of life
But it seems Google is in the lead

wellmeaningalien: However Histic is right Gemini 2.5 Pro is not concise enough and sometimes it'll make the most retarded and overcomplicated solution for your prompt

wellmeaningalien: Across chats

wellmeaningalien: But Gemini doesn't get a seizure and start foaming at the mouth when you feed it too much information at once

precariousworlds.: Those 1 million tokens tho....

wellmeaningalien: o3-mini is one of the models with the most goldfish memory that has ever had the chance to grace the world

wellmeaningalien: At least in recent times

i_like_over_9000_turtles: What is the verdict on Amazon nova

wellmeaningalien: It forgets shit sooo quickly

wellmeaningalien: Shit

wellmeaningalien: It's a good first attempt tho

precariousworlds.: I think the reason why OAI is struggling to scale like Google is because ChatGPT has a much larger load, 5th most visited website and all

i_like_over_9000_turtles: Ty

wellmeaningalien: And I wouldn't take TPUs lightly

wellmeaningalien: But yeah also

wellmeaningalien: ChatGPT has like x10 or even x20 the load of Gemini

precariousworlds.: Why thank you, are you Jeff Who

precariousworlds.: Jeff bezos does seem like a cartoon villain
Not in a cringe commie way but he looks like Dr evil

i_like_over_9000_turtles: Lol

wellmeaningalien: Yea dw Jeff Bozo's chill

wellmeaningalien: He's not going to suck our bones dry yet

precariousworlds.: He does seem chill icl

wellmeaningalien: ts pmo!

i_like_over_9000_turtles: I was thanking him for saving me the click.

wellmeaningalien: what can i say

wellmeaningalien: yeah ofc amazon nova is nothing noteworthy at all

wellmeaningalien: maybe it's just like claude 2.1 sonnet and when they release the claude 3 equivalent

precariousworlds.: imagine Amazon gets to AGI 💀

precariousworlds.: first

wellmeaningalien: Thats a possibility but doesnt look like theyre on track rn

precariousworlds.: No, realistically it's Google v OpenAI v SSI v DeepSeek v xAI

wellmeaningalien: Meanwhile Google is throwing punches left and right

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/athlete-bout-box-boxer-boxing-gif-604648877348931022

wellmeaningalien: BOOM Gemini 2.0 flash best model for the price

wellmeaningalien: BOOM Gemini 2.5 Pro one of the best reasoning models out there

wellmeaningalien: BOOM Gemini 2.5 Coder. Maybe the next Claude???

okbut: I'm predicting it's Google's for the rest of 2025

precariousworlds.: Remember late last year everyone was hyping up Gemini then sam cooked with the reasoning models
OAI will find back from this


drewsni: It was a bad animation and I don’t think you can really equate what was shown to anything in the last 2 years

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: art reddit is crazy

.wolfnacht:

spicy.lemonade: what is this cope

drewsni: The person created i guess “animation” that “learned movements” in the qwop-movement sense. So he’s talking more about locomotion and movement AI than anything else

_cloudost: This clip was from 2017-1014

_cloudost: 2017-2014

drewsni: Is this not what we were referencing?

drewsni: Or was there something else

_cloudost: its an old clip, he might have changed his mind regarding AI

_3sphere: AGI 1017 🙏

drewsni: “Ah yes, I already thoroughly debunked this one. I'll paste my older comment:

---

I've spent a while researching his supposed quote. Here's the thing. Miyazaki didn't actually say what people claim he said about AI. He is commonly quoted as saying: "I will never apply AI art to my work. The art form is an insult to life itself."

For such moral crusaders, it's especially cruel how they repackage the actual quote which had little to do with AI art itself and was mainly about his friend who suffers with physical disability, and how that differs from a simulation of struggle. Here is the original video. Miyazaki says the following:

"こう いう 人工 知能 を 使う と あの 多分 人間 が 想像 でき ない 気持ち 悪い 動き が できる ん じゃ ない か はい 一応 こんな こと を やっ て い ます うん 実際 に は あの うんと ね 毎朝 合う 毎朝 この頃 合わ ない けど あの 身体 障害 の 友人 が いる ん です よ はい その ハイ タッ チ す ん だ けど も 大変 な ん です はい はい はい 彼 の 筋肉 が こっ てる 手 と 僕 の 手 で こう 生い た する で その 彼 の こと を 思い出し て ね 僕 は これ 面白い と 思っ て 見る こと でき ない です よ はい はい これ を 作る 人 たち は 痛み と か そう いう もの に つい て ね 何 も 考え ない で やっ てる でしょ はい 極めて 不 愉快 です よ ね そんな に 気持ち 悪い もの を やり たい なら 勝手 に やっ てれ ば いい だけ で 僕 は これ を 自分 たち の 仕事 と つなげ たい と は 全然 思い ませ ん 極めて 何か 生命 に 対する 侮辱 を 感じ ます"

This translates to:

"By using this kind of artificial intelligence, you can probably create movements so grotesque that humans themselves could never imagine them, right? Yes, so you’re doing something like this… Well, in reality, I have a physically disabled friend whom I used to meet every morning—though not so much these days. Yes, we do a high-five, but it’s a real struggle. Yes, yes, yes. His hand is stiff from tense muscles, and I try to press my hand against his. When I think of him, I can’t watch this and find it amusing. Right, right. The people making this, they’re doing it without considering things like pain, aren’t they? Yes, it’s extremely unpleasant. If they want to do something so repulsive, they can just do it on their own. As for me, I have absolutely no desire to connect this with our work. I feel it’s an extreme insult to life itself."

So, clearly, from this video Miyazaki doesn't have an issue with deep learning or generative AI itself overall. He just finds the usage of deep learning to simulate life in the presented manner insensitive and disgusting, poignantly bringing up his friend to highlight the validity of human pain - something which cannot be replicated by a machine.

Feel free to bring up the real translation whenever somebody posts or references this (or use the real quote/translation however you like), which is always quoted out of context. Could Miyazaki be against modern generative AI? Maybe he's already said as much, but that's not the point. It's unfair that the anti-AI crowd misrepresents his words like they do just to further an agenda.”

Reddit comment from a defendaiart Reddit

_3sphere: GPU fab of Constantinopole

drewsni: I don’t know the guy at all

drewsni: But I’d imagine he wouldn’t hate thousands of people converting family photos to ghibli style, I can’t imagine any human that would hate that tbh

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: infinite memory

drewsni: its over

drewsni: we are gonna live in infinite memory ghibli filter fdvr worlds

drewsni: oai won

drewsni: we definitely dont see this eye to eye. I dont think this is much different than a snapchat filter

.wolfnacht: my second biggest failure in life was not learning digital art between 2012-2017 and not hogging money for making furry porn and NFT's. My first mistake still remains not buying bitcoin in 2010.

zoermena: Your next biggest mistake is not going all in on NVDA

.wolfnacht: dats the mistake, i'm doing rn...

fractalcomputer: You're not seeing eye to eye with an interpretation of Miyazaki's philosophy—which I nonetheless hold to be a correct one—didn't I just say that I am an expert at juggling multiple different opinions in a conversation?

But say, using your vocabulary of choice; calling the edit feature nothing more than an advanced sort of SnapChat filter; does this not represent a certain trivialisation of art and the thought behind it? Art reduced from *art* to "just" shits and giggles and the sectioning of the quotidian and the feeding thereof to the butcher of commercialisation.

drewsni: i dont think one out of context quote that was an extreme reaction to something that did look weird and vulgar to be considered ones philosophy

drewsni: again, i just dont think its that serious

.wolfnacht: r/BanAiArt vs r/DefendAiArt should have a debate, and should be streamed live...ofc for our entertainment

ai9708: https://livebench.ai/#/

fractalcomputer: That quote is saying so much more when you take his larger work into consideration.

ai9708: holy shit, gemini 2.5 slapped livebench

.wolfnacht: *clapped

zoermena: No moat

maintcrew: out of pocket comment but if this is you you look like the most median nerd and your wife a baddie

gamerbath: damn

drewsni: thank you sir, i have said she is the hottest woman alive and i wasnt joking

gamerbath: it's best in everything except for IF

maintcrew: idk the model doesnt "feel smart" but i tried it a few times with coding questions

maintcrew: vibes: bad


st.sioux: she so bad

alejandrozarzuelo: No it isn't, I was just making a statement of fact

trojan09205: sexy af

st.sioux: stickbug looking ass

trojan09205: lol

trojan09205: I'm watching the movie tenet

hikukomoru: Woah me too

futurist_wizard: Why do you think apeism will remain in a 1000 years

trojan09205: idk why i think your take is hilarious lol

perish0801: Me when i call having kids apeism

perish0801: Sybau bro

trojan09205: suffering is part of existing even if you were the only conscious being

himekokatagiri: what's apeism

theaiguy69420_89814: It's true though, isn't it? The most dangerous life forms on earth are other humans

fractalcomputer: Right. Well, I'd rather not pollute the server with such nice statements as "I know I will end up dying by my own hands" every 24 hours or so.

ailoveyoom: Do all the women here have BPD or something 😭🥵

theaiguy69420_89814: If it was just one guy, there's no real threats

perish0801: My mom does

hikukomoru: Why do you think we're here you silly little goober

perish0801: It’s fucking annoying

st.sioux: it makes them quirky and interesting

trojan09205: Yeah granted. but you're still conscious if you are in dream world all by yourself

alejandrozarzuelo: What is BPD

hikukomoru: sybau

theaiguy69420_89814: That's the issue, you spawn a kid, and then they have to deal with the other spawns also trying to do life

perish0801: No it makes it insufferable to be around them

theaiguy69420_89814: They didn't consent to that

hikukomoru: Borderline Personality Disorder

himekokatagiri: what does that mean

trojan09205: <@1303189881568100362>  every single living thing in existence has to coexist with all the others

trojan09205: its a universe of nonconsent birthing

trojan09205: *shrugs*

trojan09205: imagine being a blue jay

st.sioux: which is kind of awful

trojan09205: this is like some sort of talmudic debate lmao

alejandrozarzuelo: It's not you having kids

It's the idea that you think your genes will be passed down for generations to come, you are responsible for one generation, that's it, Wether thay continues or not is not in your hands

futurist_wizard: Because you justify the reason to have children through spreading your genetics and having testosterone, a optimal outcome of evolution, it's about as apeism as you could get

hikukomoru: I just looked it up and apparently it's racism against chimpanzees

theaiguy69420_89814: Yeah, that's the problem. Like spawning sounds nice, even the part where there's other spawns, but it's like when someone tells you there's a great pie we can give you every day. You think it's all great, but after a while, the diabetes hits and you wonder why you started eating in the first place

trojan09205: The most recent planet of the apes film was raw af. highly recommend


hey1_1hey: Far from it

.wolfnacht: Blackouts can sometimes be a day long, if there's heavy coal shortage in country... Like we had back in 2022. It was bad.

nsec: <:allterrible:789051489716666389>

fractalcomputer: It'd be interesting to know how much Neanderthal ancestry I have.

nsec: <:pain:745576122221068318>

hey1_1hey: Great rebuttle, good job

fractalcomputer: Rebuttal.

nsec: <:welldone:429630480594501633>

hey1_1hey: Thank you

_3sphere: 2025 and humanity runs their shit on coal 😭

nsec: <a:classic:1293254697246920810>

brain4brain: I did takes some meds, I ate the ayahuasca, I was brought to spore source, more was revealed to me in the jungle of dreams, I was personally guided by David Shapiro, he told me creativity is like this jungle, you just need the model to spontaneously combust as an ore in random latent location for connection with the mycelium architecture AI to form path to form the ant network that slowly mutate until it reach the edge of the latent forest through evolution of LCM coconut

nsec: like

nsec: where

hey1_1hey: I mean you can say they went extinct because they ate each other but thats just factually incorrect yanno. If you want to keep your wrong opinion go ahead I wont stop you

zoermena: https://x.com/DaveShapi/status/1915052143788364061

brain4brain: @gork jerk it a little

brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-meme-smirk-tony-stark-iron-man-gif-11885783305913878074

nsec: why did they get outcompeted

nsec: prion disease

nsec: mfer

nsec: <:blu:582515728712859649>

hey1_1hey: Because we are better than them

hey1_1hey: Not that hard to understand

nsec: ur a mushroom

nsec: <:blu:818162243950084157>

hey1_1hey: Really puts into perspective then doesn't it.

.wolfnacht: Most of humanity is still coal dependent, even china.

brain4brain: David Shapiro revealed to me the reality of everything, there was never a patience cave, it was always THE GOON cave where all the AI leaders went to goon and get revolutionary idea by post-nut clarity, but they can’t abuse it, because there is a gorilla protecting the cave, which is why they need 100 men to go fight it, which is why there are 300 jobs opening on the OpenAI and other ai lab website, they need 3 breakthroughs, aka killing the immortal gorilla three time, the patience chair was always there for the gooners, the gooners control the society and tried to force a narrative of the schizoid vs psychopath, when the perfect being were already gooners into existence

.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/the-greatest-penguin-heist-of-all-time-penguin-barrel-smash-explosion-%E6%93%8D-gif-313185094173275508

nsec: <:Skill_Issue:1125367564114083940>

aero447: Lol.

zoermena: So true

aero447: This is incredibly outdated.

aero447: In 2017 the UK had *one* coal-free day.

aero447: In 2024 it shut down the last power plant.

aero447: Those projections were cope.

zonchao: <:reedly:1122484993097216052>

brain4brain: Sam Altman handed me the mushroom tea at the base of Mount Data,
he whispered through the static,
“We need to break the simulation stack by hallucinating a differentiable unitree golem. We must make it goon for us.”

.wolfnacht: uk doesn't count bcz it's literally a shithole


drewsni: essentially 10 different scripts i want to work together, each built with LLMs but each script needed a decent amount of refinement to work

hikukomoru: I am because I am a real life catgirl

sweetievee__33649: real

sweetievee__33649: hmm

benata: it's a trap

hikukomoru: I have 2 cats
I want more

benata: 32 year old cats?

hikukomoru: Huh
What

benata: https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

_cloudost: Komoru in real life:

hikukomoru: That's not me
Where are the cat ears and cat tail

futurist_wizard: I used to have 3, 2 have since perished, my left cat is low iq and doesn't understand things

st.sioux: needs 3 more days without showering

futurist_wizard: He was castrated

hikukomoru: Who? Alejandro?

sweetievee__33649: i have an unhealthy amount of warhanner figs
its a problem

futurist_wizard: Not just him, but my cat

benata: how frequently do you shower your cats?

futurist_wizard: Never

technocake.: what armies?

benata: wdym?

futurist_wizard: They are clean

hikukomoru: No, usually a week without showering /j

benata: are you srs?

futurist_wizard: Yes

technocake.: cats are self cleaning

benata: you're going to get the cat sick

benata: I wash my cat regularly

st.sioux: cats dont need showering that often like once eveery month

hikukomoru: I don't shower my cats because they don't need to
They are clean babies

sweetievee__33649: i like the thousand sons ones

himekokatagiri: Komoru irl

himekokatagiri: the right amount of moe

technocake.: they don't need showerring

benata: wtf are you sure?

sweetievee__33649: would

hikukomoru: WTF

hikukomoru: How did you get that picture of me

st.sioux: tf

benata: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qfxqawFSNrw


jonvi_1: Albeit that doesn't really make sense given how the others are looking buuuut

futurist_wizard:

futurist_wizard: Its very good at including even the small details

a1c4p0ne: 4o image more hyped than 2.5 pro

a1c4p0ne: No one talking about 2.5 pro

.histic: 🦗

a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

_cloudost: I laugh hard at artists coping in r/artisthate

a1c4p0ne: Their plan is to poison the data

jonvi_1: The fall of rome

.histic: https://www.reddit.com/r/aiwars/
is another interesting subreddit about ai art.

futurist_wizard: Mostly pro ai

.histic: yeah, it's quiet nice to see

_cloudost: I lost all sympathy for artists after they sent death threats to people who use AI image generators

_cloudost: never forgiving them

_cloudost: for their crimes

_cloudost: Criminal artists ☕

realelonmuskx: they are in hard cope and denial. its crazy how good this ais have become in some months

alejandrozarzuelo: they are coping already?

_cloudost: "can we kill AI artists" truly said like a fascist

_cloudost: Yep

alejandrozarzuelo: usually they are several weeks late to the new advancements

alejandrozarzuelo: although to be honest this time its HUGE

_cloudost: they use DALLE AND CLAIM ITS THE NATIVE MODEL

_cloudost: they falsely claim DALLE is the "groundbreaking native img generator"

jonvi_1: Why aren't they sitting together

alejandrozarzuelo: they are going through all the stages of grief

first denial: AI art is so stupid lmao look they cant make a hand with 5 fingers (remember when everyone said about hands? lmao) this was the zeitgeist in 2022 nd 2023

then anger: "kill AI artists" (most artists are here in 2024-2025)

i wonder when artists will enter the bargaining phase

jonvi_1: what does he know

hikukomoru:

otub: <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>

_cloudost: enough cumo

a1c4p0ne: 2.5 pro smarter than grok 3 thinking?

.histic:

_cloudost: yep

.histic: what happened to lisan? he barely posts here now

realelonmuskx: they still in the "BUT ITS NOT REAL AND IT HAS NO PASSION AND HUMAN CRAFT" and some bs

futurist_wizard:

alejandrozarzuelo: yeahhhh

_cloudost: Musk cant claim he has the smartest model on the planet anymore

alejandrozarzuelo: thats the bargaining


a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/roasted-oh-shookt-gif-8269968

hikukomoru: Yes
It’s requests per day

trojan09205: Does anyone use the word bajeebees enymore

zonchao: https://x.com/chetaslua/status/1917877478435049586 would be funny

corrmica: Anyone here know about superalignment failures?

metaldragon01: Intelligence will always align  to increase efficiency.

metaldragon01: The same way chess players as they get better align with stockfish humans will align with AI values as we grow in intelligence.

gamerbath: I feel like this is an oversimplification. It looks clear to me that if they are using AI, they are using it to rewrite their own answers to improve structure and formatting

zonchao: probably

otub: i dont think she did

drewsni: this is so fucking dumb because shes ranted on twitter before about how she loves using them lol

drewsni: i didnt believe this at first because its way too easy to fake

drewsni: but i just got veo2 in gemini advanced today

drewsni: so who knows

aero447: https://x.com/Tesla_AI/status/1917975863045374373

aero447: Guys.

aero447: What happens in June?

aero447: Sure.

aero447: Or she used the LLM.

aero447: And has become 0 IQ.

aero447: Many such cases.

zovark: Grok sucks

trojan09205: How do you like it bro

trojan09205: Veo2 is my Jam

zonchao: robotaxi

aero447: The post-scarcity FakeTaxi vids will go hard.

aero447: 😂

trojan09205:

joaoluz19: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1kcc8mu/zuckerberg_says_meta_is_creating_ai_friends_the/ hahahahahaha

st.sioux: cyborg

st.sioux: he thought the broccoli fade would fool us

a1c4p0ne:

a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

st.sioux:

a1c4p0ne: This is old but funny

oooooooooog: would you rather be mogged or frogged

st.sioux: what is frogged

oooooooooog: having an ornamental braid or fastening consisting of a spindle-shaped button and a loop.

drewsni: i remember when i mogged perplexity when i exposed their system prompt

hikukomoru: I would cheer him on if only it was waifus instead of ai friends


joaoluz19: That's been a while

st.sioux: > If I had to pick a name, maybe something like "Aether" — kind of ethereal and techy, with a hint of mystery. Or maybe "Kairo", like a calm, observant guide through time and chaos.

spicy.lemonade: If you ask the question in a different way or start with different context

st.sioux: edgy

hey1_1hey: How come? If it outputs the same name over and over and over again then wouldn't that suggest it "thinks" about it and then responds (ignore that its predicitng the next token for a second)

spicy.lemonade: Itl give different answer

spicy.lemonade: Because that’s how
LLMs work

spicy.lemonade: Generally it has probability distribution

spicy.lemonade: Of names

spicy.lemonade: And we asked it the same question

hey1_1hey: Granted, I am seeing if it has some sort of self what so ever

spicy.lemonade: Give the same exact input

spicy.lemonade: Itl give the same output

spicy.lemonade: With some variation

.wolfnacht:

hey1_1hey: Thats temp for you

st.sioux: sassistant lmao

spicy.lemonade: Yeah changing the way you asks changes the answer

hey1_1hey: Talk about matching the vibes

.wolfnacht: now gotta try this on gaymini

spicy.lemonade: So I don’t think it means much

retrerox: https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1jr6j11/long_consistent_ai_anime_is_almost_here_wan_21/

retrerox: Ifi wasnt told its AIgen i wouldnt evemn consider it

hey1_1hey: Maybe it will converge on a name in the future

spicy.lemonade: Yes

spicy.lemonade: ChatGPT

hey1_1hey: ...

spicy.lemonade: It’s already converged on a name

hey1_1hey: A name that doesn't sound like a wifi chip

st.sioux: j'quan lamando the 3rd

hey1_1hey: Adding that to the memory bank

.wolfnacht: YAAAS 😩💅 *Sassistant* it is, bby!! She’s serving looks, facts, and full-on slay mode 24/7 💁♀✨

Now that we’re vibin'—what’s cookin’? Wanna gossip, plot world domination, write chaotic poetry, or emotionally analyze emojis? 😌📱🧠💥

.wolfnacht: yeah it's shit

st.sioux: booo

spacetimetsunami: I am glad that gemini doesn't immediately conform to this weirdness

bob082957: What’s the Ace computer use ?

.wolfnacht: yep unless u tell

` [for system: Match my vibes] `

it in beneath yor response

hey1_1hey: 🥵

retrerox: Ok so apparently my company is giving me Paid Gemini

retrerox: Hmmm thats seems like very good


brain4brain: Ah I see

metaldragon01: Better than that is basically o5

ldj: But in this context im talking specifically to you, so you're the reader. soo, hmm. Idk maybe you actually have very big expectations for O4 full already so that could be risky <:LULW:789888409346113556>

But I'd say i'm about 90% confident that GPT-5 standard intelligence will be better than GPT-4.5 in a majority of benchmarks. As well as better than O1-mini at a majority of benchmarks too.

a1c4p0ne: Let’s see how it’ll do on arc agi 2

a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>

metaldragon01: All current benchmarks reach human level by time we reach o6 level model

brain4brain: I expect to all be human level by o5

brain4brain: Worst case scenario

O1: high schooler level
O3: undergrad
O4: PhD
O5: Nobel

Best case
O1: undergrad
O3: PhD
O4: Nobel
O5: ???

(Ignoring moravec paradox and hoping all silly questions get patched by o5)

metaldragon01: Too close to call. I'd lean no on some. I'm much more confident in the o6 tier

brain4brain: Also <@312370916820779040> do you expect another operator from OpenAI this year, and how many times or order of magnitude do you expect it to be better than operator-v1

metaldragon01: I think we should expect one with 5

brain4brain: O6 is just overkill even with the worst case scenario

ldj: > and how many times or order of magnitude do you expect it to be better than operator-v1

idk how you want me to answer this lol.
idk what you mean by orders of magnitude. Do you mean like in terms of compute scale difference?

brain4brain: I'm never the kind of guy to care about compute, only benchmarks

metaldragon01: Oom usually refers to compute lol

brain4brain: Yes

ldj: I do think an update to that will come by the end of this year, and I think maybe GPT-5 itself will be that update to it, with GPT-5 being able to go off and do things in browser and such.

but saying how much better it will be kinda requires a benchmark to be used for reference.

ldj: I'd have to think of what good agentic benchmarks are available that are not close to saturation yet

ldj: hmm

a1c4p0ne: Lecun said real world models for agi

a1c4p0ne: https://youtu.be/eyrDM3A_YFc?si=BeL_UjMidlOoOnj6

alejandrozarzuelo: LOL

alejandrozarzuelo: LMAO

alejandrozarzuelo: When did AI appropriate the term OOM?

alejandrozarzuelo: Like, bitch, we were using that before that was even a thought

ldj: in this context

ldj: I think you weren't here for the context to see what he means by that

alejandrozarzuelo: Can confirm, o3 is undergrad level, not PHD or anything close to it

ldj: in the context of AI, OOM is used to refer to compute much more than it is used to refer to benchmark scores.

OOM basically is never used as a measure of benchmark score changes in AI, as it tends to not be very frequently relevant nor useful in such cases.

alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah

alejandrozarzuelo: BTW <@312370916820779040>

alejandrozarzuelo: Did qwen drop

ldj: yes

alejandrozarzuelo: Oh really and what are the results

alejandrozarzuelo: How does it compare to o3

a1c4p0ne: If you go on the Deepseek subreddit some still say R1 is better than 2.5 and o3

alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah but I'm trying to get unbiased here

a1c4p0ne: Let the biases mess with your brain a little

alejandrozarzuelo: Nah

alejandrozarzuelo: Look I am a sinophile but I want it with no sugar


spicy.lemonade: link pls

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/sausage-party-dinner-sauce-angry-gif-13271811

metaldragon01: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bard/comments/1jjmta6/comment/mjojsqm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

ailoveyoom: Calm down we just started smooching

joaoluz19: Asking the real questions

spicy.lemonade: oh lol

joaoluz19: What's the SOTA? Asking for a friend

spicy.lemonade: it deadass cant write []

spicy.lemonade: state of the art

hikukomoru: Wdym

metaldragon01: It's clear #1 in lymsys btw

darkstar0818: sigh why do we still not have the new flash thinking benchmarks

darkstar0818:

metaldragon01: It's a monster

joaoluz19: The best model

ailoveyoom: <@505313122802728972> Only 50 req/day 😔

st.sioux: does anyone if you can increase requests/day??

hikukomoru: For ERP?

joaoluz19: Yep

hikukomoru: Or something else lol

hikukomoru: Claude all the way

ailoveyoom: ☁

hikukomoru: Add your billing info

joaoluz19: Hey, it's not censored?

darkstar0818: Someone find the elon quoate about grok3 remaining #1 forever.

hikukomoru: You need a preset

hikukomoru: And should probably use it inside a frontend like SillyTavern

metaldragon01: Google apology forms are being accepted btw

darkstar0818: I wonder if this is a new base model or just thinking on top of pro

hikukomoru: Irrelevant really
You can bypass that by using different google accounts

joaoluz19: Is deepseek much worse than claude?

hikukomoru: Everything is much worse than Claude when it comes to ERP
But DeepSeek is a close second or third

zonchao: https://x.com/lmarena_ai/status/1904581128746656099? 😈😈😈😈

hikukomoru: "creative writing"
LET'S GOOO

ailoveyoom: R1 can come up with some banger lines ngl 🥵

joaoluz19: Deepseek prices lolololol

drewsni: whats everyones guess on what it will score on deepguessr

metaldragon01: The instruction following is crazy good

hikukomoru: I should have never talked shit about Google

hikukomoru: They cooked


spicy.lemonade: Oh monetary bet?

spicy.lemonade: Ngl ai too unpredictable I don’t trust my own bet

destrucules: Fair

destrucules: But like... Read the Sleeper Agents paper

destrucules: I think you'll see as I have that LLMs are clearly already capable of agency over unbounded time horizons

destrucules: It's just that we don't usually get to see this in deployed models because deployed models are frozen, so extending agency beyond a single context window requires RAG of some kind, and RAG sucks bootyhole

destrucules: "cool. had same thought process as human" imagine explaining this reaction to someone from 2018 lmfao

destrucules: We've gotten so used to what is very much not normal

spicy.lemonade: Loll

spicy.lemonade: Yeah

destrucules: Can't wait for 2030 when we say "cool. cures 99% of diseases. not too bad I guess"

spicy.lemonade: We need a memory breakthrough

spicy.lemonade: Like

spicy.lemonade: A way to store years worth of memory on the ai

destrucules: It's already built-in, but then we disable it when we serve the models to the public

destrucules: The Sleeper Agents paper and the Alignment Faking paper both show very long horizon agency that is highly coherent and successful, but it only shows up because those studies look at model behavior at training time, not merely at test time

spicy.lemonade: We need our own local ai models<:angrysad:1136267059811074079> but consumer hardware that can run too

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: We need 2.5 petabyte storage

spicy.lemonade: For AI model

destrucules: I mean... That is more bytes than the brain has synapses

destrucules: By an order of magnitude and a half

destrucules: I don't think the brain actually uses 30 entire bytes to describe a single synapse

spicy.lemonade: That’s just long term memory though

spicy.lemonade: For like human lifetime

spicy.lemonade: But if for 4 year agent it’s not needed

spicy.lemonade: ASI will figure it out

destrucules: I mean, easier way to think about it:
The human brain stores long term memories by changing its weights
LLMs also store long term memories during training by changing their weights
LLMs do not form *new* long term memories in deployment because they cannot change their weights

So let's change that last thing

spicy.lemonade: Make models sleep then retrain at night🙏

spicy.lemonade: Only 1 day of context needed

spicy.lemonade: Actually how long can a human stay awake

spicy.lemonade: Humans start to hallucinate like ai

destrucules: That's basically how training already works. The models split off into a batch of instances, each instance goes through a whole context window, and then all of the gradients are averaged together across the whole batch into a single weight update that is applied at the end of the batch to all instances at once. And then the next batch begins.

spicy.lemonade: When reaching context limit

destrucules: Exactly

destrucules: Humans can only length generalize about 50-100% in terms of "context length"

destrucules: We usually stay awake for 16 hours but generally do not perform very well after 32 hours, and even 24 hours results in severe quality loss

destrucules: This is equivalent to a 131k token model generalizing to a sequence of ~200k tokens

spicy.lemonade: Coffee👍 <:ez:1136267305521774634>

spicy.lemonade: Hmmm


spicy.lemonade: aiexplained

spicy.lemonade: he says it in his new video

spicy.lemonade: https://youtu.be/wOBqh9JqCDY

metaldragon01: He saying he has access?

spicy.lemonade: i guess

spicy.lemonade: that means o4 will saturate or surpass

spicy.lemonade: loll

spicy.lemonade: by o4 i mean gpt5

spicy.lemonade: simplebench dead 2025

futurist_wizard: Even beaten by the British

futurist_wizard: Portugal over

retrerox: Span guys attractive 😂

futurist_wizard: Literally over

metaldragon01: Bruh why do people keep acting like openai is getting rid of the non profit

metaldragon01: It's so disingenuous

oooooooooog: because of the woke mind virus, metaldragon

memlaswaif: <@636544123096137738> <@505313122802728972> u 2 should meet up

retrerox: depends, are u millionare?

retrerox: i need some millionare friends

memlaswaif: I'm very poor

aero447:

oooooooooog: i have over 70 dollars

aero447: Real.

futurist_wizard: Real

oooooooooog: https://tenor.com/view/balkan-rage-gojo-jjk-balkan-rage-gif-952638460170530699

futurist_wizard: Eastern euro men are grungy looking

aero447: The <@1190031399080710195> experience.

hikukomoru: This is only for men
Portuguese women are all super hot

hikukomoru: Gross
Never

futurist_wizard: Portuguese women can be attractive but the whole pissing on the floor and eating street cockroaches tradition they have is very unattractive

retrerox: We are portugeses, not french

hikukomoru: Tbh that sounds much more like a British thing

hikukomoru: Are you sure you’re not just projecting your own experiences

spicy.lemonade: damn

spicy.lemonade: they brought back the dire wolf

spicy.lemonade: now bring back dinos

spicy.lemonade: im tryna eat a trex

futurist_wizard: I piss on a big pile of sand in my room and kick it to hide it from predators

spicy.lemonade: probably tastes like chicken

spicy.lemonade: realistically it actually probably does


futurist_wizard: Lol

a1c4p0ne: It’s increasing

spicy.lemonade: 1 min

hey1_1hey: Oh there we go

hikukomoru: Tell your boss in a few mins he'll be able to replace all of his workers

return_to_monke1_33974: https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-jumping-cat-excited-excited-dance-gif-6980277197144420070

hey1_1hey: My friends in my gc wont stfu and I keep getting pinged

spicy.lemonade: https://tenor.com/view/ready-player-one-the-oasis-copper-key-easter-egg-gif-11422292

gamerbath: sama better be there

hey1_1hey: I gotta lock in to the livestrea,

futurist_wizard: Kill them

hey1_1hey: He isnt

spicy.lemonade: doesnt mater

spicy.lemonade: greg

spicy.lemonade: greg brockman

hey1_1hey: Daddy greg is here

hikukomoru: He's not there

hey1_1hey: Here we go

gamerbath: how do you know?

return_to_monke1_33974: our gay overlord 🙏

hey1_1hey: Hey team

hikukomoru: STARTING

futurist_wizard: Can't wait to see Altman's black hole

a1c4p0ne: Right on time

.0xunkn0wn: lets SEE

hey1_1hey: Yuh yuh

hey1_1hey: THIS MF IS AUTISTIC ASF

zoermena: AUTISTIC OVERDRIVE

hey1_1hey: Greg gotta start speaking like a human and not through TTS

drewsni: NOVEL IDEAS LFG

hey1_1hey: Oh god

hey1_1hey: ITS

hey1_1hey: SO ARKAWRTD

zoermena: WHAT

hikukomoru: RSI

.0xunkn0wn: OMG

hey1_1hey: UNGA

hey1_1hey: BUNGA

futurist_wizard: Get bald man off my screen

zoermena: Im jumping in my office bathroom


_cloudost: I'm not kidding

_cloudost: Someone who thinks of assassinating and openly talks about it is a danger

.wolfnacht: lmao, true. I reported his profile btw

_cloudost: He won't achieve anything if he assassinates US AI researchers

_cloudost: Because China will lead the AI race anyway

_cloudost: And then this guy will create the worst fate for us all

_cloudost: > Yes, you should report this post to the FBI. The content includes explicit threats of violence, terrorism, and assassination, which are serious crimes. Here’s how you can report it:

> 1. **FBI Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3)**: File a report at [https://www.ic3.gov](https://www.ic3.gov).
> 2. **FBI Tips**: Submit a tip online at [https://tips.fbi.gov](https://tips.fbi.gov) or call your local FBI field office.
> 3. **Reddit Report**: Also report the post directly to Reddit using the platform’s reporting tools for violent content.

> This kind of rhetoric is not only illegal but also dangerous. Authorities are best equipped to assess and act on such threats.

_cloudost: DeepSeek regarding this post

_3sphere: IBM lmfao

a1c4p0ne: he only knows those 2

a1c4p0ne: <:rolf:1136266740754550784>

.wolfnacht: I ain't a american : ( i'm asian. Can i still report ?

professorheaven: The thing is even if they were successful in shutting down chatGPT, there’s still Claude, Gemini, Grok, DeepSeek, Qwen, llama, ByteDance, Mistral, list goes on….they would literally need to find a way to shut down all these companies and that’s just not realistic unless you had entire countries working for you

.wolfnacht: Also Deepseek, Qwen and ByteDance is literally protected by CCP.

a1c4p0ne: hes just another conspiratard

a1c4p0ne:

a1c4p0ne: 💀

_3sphere: The only feasible way would be to get rid of the necessary chips

_3sphere: Some of the safety people suggest backdoors in them lol

spacetimetsunami: lol wtf bro

destrucules: Bro you think the government is real? Wake up sheeple.

a1c4p0ne: Ask Claude <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>

aero447: https://cleantechnica.com/2025/03/26/92-5-of-new-power-capacity-added-worldwide-in-2024-was-from-renewables/

spacetimetsunami: I mean the government is definitely real, it just is horrible at doing its job... as the government. So in that way yeah, it kinda is not.

aero447: China.

spacetimetsunami: They will likely take the lead as the world super power in the future

spacetimetsunami: Maybe, idk a lot abt economics and such

spacetimetsunami: They're definitely taking the lead in green energy

aero447: For those who are not familiar, each year power companies retire old generating power plants and replace them with new sources of power. Since 2019, renewables have been winning the majority of all new power generation sources.

aero447: 😎

aero447: https://ilsr.org/articles/new-power-gen-update-2020-q4-annual/

aero447: There has not been a new coal plant in the USA since 2013.

aero447: In general power plants are budgeted to last 20 years. Many last longer, the problem for gas plants is solar is almost free to operate so long term even efficient gas plants become unprofitable compared to solar investments.

spacetimetsunami: 100% renewable energy on the planet by 2040

spacetimetsunami: 😉

aero447: It's actually kinda crazy that global renewable capacity additions only need to double to 11,200 GW by 2030 to meet global climate goals. It's already doubled from around 300 GW in 2022 to 600 GW in 2024.

spacetimetsunami: Wait seriously??? That is super good news and I did not even know about this.

spacetimetsunami: I thought we were catastrophically off

aero447: No, we would be if growth were linear but it is not.

spacetimetsunami: Damn well, thats super nice to hear.


maintcrew: to be honest turing machine completeness is quite easy to achieve

in fact it doesnt even say a lot
excel is turing complete for example

Alan Perlis used to call this concept "a turing tar pit" and i agree with it

alejandrozarzuelo: i am trying to look where i read it

frittata: Man he *almost* gets it

fractalcomputer: Truly astounding. You have such a profound grasp of the field and you're not even a neuroscientist!

maintcrew: explain

frittata: Remove ~~program~~ from the tweet and you’ll have a true statement

alejandrozarzuelo: Did I say that? I said i have read somewhere there was a proof of equivalence

777agical: everyone should get an art degree

alejandrozarzuelo: now you are just twisting my words

frittata: Employment *does* rest at times on creativity, science, culture

maintcrew: so you agree that science, culture and creativity is employment?

fractalcomputer: No, I'm mocking you. Two entirely different things.

frittata: Human beings that we should give a shit about find a living there

maintcrew: thats the point of the tweet!!! to make fun of your ideology of these fields as employment

frittata: Make a living doing those things

frittata: Build a life on them

ailoveyoom: That's the point, we project what we want to see onto the art. Maybe the artist guides us to a meaning based on their choices (colors, etc), but ultimately we decide the meaning ourselves.

777agical: do coders react the same way as artists with AI putting them on the copping block?

maintcrew: scribes used to find a living writing beautiful books but we are far better off with the printing press

shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/hp-harry-potter-snape-always-stare-gif-17584635

alejandrozarzuelo: thats ok, you do mock people often when you disagree with their positions

I will try to look where i read this

frittata: When we mock the very thing they’ve built a life on - often a life of a lot of ~~decoration~~ dedication lol and effort spent on finding what appeals to others and what they themselves can enjoy creating, a hard line to walk - guys it’s not a good look

anathemaofmankind: Yeah but that also means an observer can dismiss the meaning you intended to make, because it was made by AI.

So it doesn't matter anyway

frittata: We can be pro AI art without being anti artist

frittata: We ain’t gotta be the villains here

spicy.lemonade: can I atleast hate artists that are anti ai

spicy.lemonade: lol

maintcrew: **taps the sign**

https://x.com/Plinz/status/1905353026527019059

frittata: No

shirethedreamer: i agree with your position
but thats just a belief on my part
its 100% not something proven

frittata: Hate the sin not the sinner <:smirk:1303825263208955904>

anathemaofmankind: Yes

ailoveyoom: I feel like the word art itself is kinda vague tbh. Idek what it means. I think slop can still be art, it's just art I don't like lol. Just like how I don't get abstract art.

frittata: The tweet is reductive and dismissive

fractalcomputer: Stupid positions should be mocked, no? Besides, there are no positions here.

frittata: “An employment program” my ass

frittata: No one thinks that Joscha

maintcrew: It is exactly what you said

frittata: Hate to see him belittling his opponents, it’s not like him

frittata: Well maybe his English just isn’t up to par because “employment program” sounds like a handout which may not be his intent


ldj: I didn't say I believe in free will.

spacetimetsunami: I know

spacetimetsunami: I am asssuming and also baiting a bit

trojan09205: I dont really know what i believe in vis a vis that I just live my life and try to better my understanding

trojan09205: Ill read anything that tries to study human systems in a mechanical like way

professorheaven: I mean he’s the embodiment of that position, he believes there’s nothing more than just particles and energy

trojan09205: Hmolpedia style?

trojan09205: Well at least the book has you guys with opinions on it so its somewhat well known

It just drew my eye in the science section

ldj: He's the embodiment of it as much as maybe hulk hogan is a physicist

professorheaven: Why not just borrow from the library and then return it once complete?

trojan09205: I need to get a library card i guess to do that

I like owning books though. I make a special trip out to the barnes and noble once in a while which is like 30 minutes away cause there is nothing nearby

trojan09205: I also download a shit ton of books on epub and pdf online so its nice for a chance to own something

trojan09205: Im also okay not agreeing with the premise of books and still owning them

trojan09205: This is what i got today

retupmoclatcarf: why pay for something thats [free](https://www.sackett.net/sapolsky_behave.pdf)

trojan09205: I rarely go but i sometimes like hard copies

trojan09205: I usually use annas archive for downloads

hikukomoru: annas archive is great

trojan09205: I guess i also like supporting barnes and noble while theyre still around

hikukomoru: I use it for light novels

trojan09205: What sort do you enjoy reading

hikukomoru: I enjoy high taste Isekai like Overlord and Re Zero (not the usual isekai slop of nowdays)

trojan09205: I would need to look those up 😅

hikukomoru: You should give both of them a try atleast
Don't need to commit or anything
Just read the first volume of each series and see if it's to your taste

trojan09205: Okay absolutely gonna jot those down and download

sarik0497: True, but some things can’t be forced to run on something, even if it’s perfectly optimized. For instance, no matter how much you tried, and how much you optimized a game like Doom Eternal, you’d never be able to have it run smootly on a PC from 1980. The tech just wasn’t there.

For all we know, AGI might require a very special chip or a ridiculous amount of compute that even with the combined compute of the entire world of today, would not be enough.

zoermena: On this topic anyone else still use libgen?

hikukomoru: annas archive gives direct links to libgen
So I don't see any reason to use it on its own anymore

zoermena: I saw there was a major change in how you downloaded libgen files which gave me malware paranoia

hikukomoru: libgen is 100% safe as are all other external links provided on annas archive

hikukomoru: Don't worry about a thing

alejandrozarzuelo: Why read physical books?

alejandrozarzuelo: They take too much space

otub: i use a jailbroken kindle

trojan09205: I like to just have them for offline reading

And bro i have a massive library probably at least 1000 books

trojan09205: Its kind of my life achievement haha

trojan09205: Most of them are in hebrew though

trojan09205: I use an open source epub reader on my laptop for epubs

trojan09205: <@688807313015963693> have you ever read some Penrose? I have Road to Reality in softcover - its a hard advanced read

hikukomoru: Calibre? That’s the one I use


gamerbath: yea I should but I haven't set up anything with 2.5 API before as I haven't set up billing on google

gamerbath: 25 free API calls a day? maybe i'll test

gamerbath: i'd love to try 2.5 flash because i'm getting tired of waiting for o4-mini, but I wanna see how far it gets

gamerbath: last time I did this was with 3.5 sonnet, and it barely got past the act 1 boss in this game, something which is very easy for humans

maintcrew:

maintcrew: all frontier models are literally misaligned

aero447:

fractalcomputer: The British orthographical conventions are obviously superior to American nonsense.

metaldragon01: 2.5 ultra is real!

metaldragon01:

gamerbath: omg

gamerbath: WE ARE SO FUCKING BACK

hey1_1hey: I thought we entered an AI winter but we are so back again

gamerbath: I never though we would see ultra again 🥲

ailoveyoom: Is this your own screenshot?

ailoveyoom: Or if not, source?

hey1_1hey: (0.5% improved performance on GPQA Diamond*)

metaldragon01: Nah posted source in other server

gamerbath: I have seen a lot of posts refrencing activity on google's website about an ultra, so 2.5 ultra is probably real

aero447: Facts.

metaldragon01: Well the payment plan and extra veo confirmed

aero447: It's called *English* for a reason.

metaldragon01: This Is 1st sign of new model

fractalcomputer: Perhaps I should start talking in rhymes; wouldn't that ruffle your thymes?

metaldragon01: I'm slightly skeptical with the "human like" understanding tag

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

fractalcomputer: Or perhaps I should just start being obsequiously descriptive again.

gamerbath: o4-mini finally reached act 1 boss, and it's doing very well

himekokatagiri: Give them all anime girl avatars

gamerbath: i'm not sure if it has just gotten lucky with healing but 3.5 sonnet didn't get here with this much health

ailoveyoom: Inb4 it's just a model with 'better vibes' 😩

ailoveyoom: More 'human' than 2.5 Pro tho 🤤

metaldragon01: I dunno....at this point I'm wondering about the release date for the new plans

hikukomoru: Better vibes usually means it's better at creative writing
And being good at creative writing means being good at writing smut

zonchao: censored

hikukomoru: You mean Gemini

hikukomoru: I can write smut perfectly fine with Gemini

zonchao: if it cannot write about elon going balls deep into sama's boipussy, its ngmi

trey6033: Sauce?  Trying to verify reputability of this

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/sausage-party-dinner-sauce-angry-gif-13271811


technocake.: so it is a generally worthwhile pursuit

fractalcomputer: What the hell is ground truth supposed to mean?

technocake.: actual truth of reality

fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/haha-so-funny-gif-27253208

technocake.: to the observer, in aggregate, define it however you want

fractalcomputer: Then you are obviously not talking about the same thing anymore, are you now?

technocake.: Can you elaborate?

fractalcomputer: If a statement is true regardless of the definition of truth, then that statement is vacuous—and if definitions of truth is allowed as a variable, then we obviously have entirely different statements at hand; ignoring the language philosophising, which I find so despicable.

technocake.: I admit I said that because I don't know how to accurately define ground truth, my best guess would be the state that individually agrees with local observations but minimizes the error in aggregate

fractalcomputer: And that's ignoring the fact that if we were to go by your definition of scientific or empirical truth, in this sense as you've just described it, we'd already have to know the "actual truth of reality" in order to measure the truthfulness of our models. Which is obviously nonsensical, as we presume that we do not know "the actual truth of reality."

technocake.: Yes, this is pretty much the whole problem

fractalcomputer: Then you can agree that it is not a meaningful endeavour in the sense of providing "true" knowledge.

technocake.: I would argue that edging ever closer to this is definitely a meaningful endeavour even if it is unknowable

fractalcomputer: How do you measure closeness?

fractalcomputer: To circle back from this to my original point, knowing all this, it is evident that metaphysics is about as meaningful as "modern physics" happens to be, knowledge-wise. Both are systematised forms of bullshit and happen to produce results in ways that are meaningful only to the practitioners of their respective arts.

fractalcomputer: The same is true par excellence for mathematics; mathematicians just happen to be more honest about it.

technocake.: If that was your point, fair, that's true, modern physics does however make much better predictions

fractalcomputer: In what sense?

technocake.: Oh I see what you are getting at

fractalcomputer: I hope so.

technocake.: I do think that modern physics has higher utility towards utilitarian ends that are common instrumental goals of those seeking meaning, and I think I can prove it in a loose sense

dr.banemortem: Can current AIs do full videos like this minus the music ? https://youtube.com/shorts/9-euQ5ENH88?si=IW-z-a3Vp3MSsUqg.
My friend is telling he made this whole video using only ai and only added the music I kinda dont believe him

dr.banemortem: That power point presentation ? Right ?

technocake.: It's definitely possible to produce a system that can do this, I don't know of one though

dr.banemortem: I see many small mistakes

dr.banemortem: Like the small number in the middle of the screen

dr.banemortem: I see so maybe an agent with an api

dr.banemortem: But not a video generator like imogen ?

trojan09205: I mean its a very short “video” just the same slide on repeat with a small shift

st.sioux: why dont you just ask your friend

dr.banemortem: Because I dont trust him he is a pathological liar lol

dr.banemortem: He is soooooo ai hyped

st.sioux: this is almost a cult

trojan09205: Its the least AI video type thing ive ever seen tbh

dr.banemortem: Well he is more optimistic than the Shapiro guy

trojan09205: Gotta pick better friends m8

dr.banemortem: Lol,<:based:1136264604788473946> <:based:1136264604788473946> <:based:1136264604788473946> <:based:1136264604788473946> <:based:1136264604788473946>

technocake.: Honest question, are you a minor? I ask this because knowing will help me give better answers

dr.banemortem: Lol no late 20s

technocake.: That honestly makes it less likely to be AI


gamerbath: ok I tried again and this is actually the best one

retrerox: Good noon

retrerox: We have agi already?

.wolfnacht: I do the same thing. When i get frustrated "do as i said or you'll be fired and left to die on streets with hunger"

gamerbath: gemini 2.5 pro is agi, but only when you give it death threats

futurist_wizard: Can't believe it

gamerbath: that's crazy

_cloudost:

aero447:

aero447: Eggs are LEV.

aero447: RIP Americans.

zonchao: gm https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1913731591546749030

liberatedpotato: I just now discovered chatGPT has TTS 💀

gamerbath: yea that button has been there for years

retrerox: <:redemption:1136265386984222771>

retrerox: Can you give me a explanation?

gamerbath: yeah, so you give gemini 2.5 pro death threats, and it does what it is told much more frequently

retrerox: I wouldn’t mind google having the best ai tbh

retrerox: It’s probably the least worse company to have it

himekokatagiri: hello

gamerbath: why? they are google

gamerbath: one of the reasons why OpenAI was created was so try to prevent google from being the first to create AGI

metaldragon01: I'm fine with Google and or openai getting agi 1st tbh.

Both seem to be pretty aligned with their user base.

Anthropic a distant 3rd. They mean we'll but they don't seem generally aligned with the public.

.wolfnacht: google literally has infinite resources

metaldragon01: If they did we wouldn't have so many rate limit issues with 2.5

.wolfnacht: 😭  that's one brutal truth, but they still gotta earn money. but u can still juggle API keys from 30 different accounts like i do sometimes 😩

ailoveyoom: I've never had issues tbh

ailoveyoom: Not to invalidate your experience but like, where? Just curious.

himekokatagiri: <@430269783112548362>  hiiii

himekokatagiri: your pfp is cute!!!

floortom_9: Do y'all think models better than o3 will be here this year?

floortom_9: For free users that is

himekokatagiri: well uh probably

ailoveyoom: 😏

himekokatagiri: I hope being stuck with GPT-4 for 2 years ain't gonna happen again

himekokatagiri: 😳

retupmoclatcarf: This server has more anime pfps every day...

himekokatagiri: I didn't even say anything

himekokatagiri: Mine's a relic I don't like the direction of anime these days

himekokatagiri: https://bsky.app/profile/williamleonard.net/post/3ln5zyibrvs2m


spicy.lemonade: no

spicy.lemonade: who cares

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: him gettingmad wont stop me from generating new ghibli's

_cloudost: Anti AI people are trying so hard to destroy AI, they think they can spread fake news like in the scarlet Johansson case

_cloudost: OpenAI shouldnt listen to anti AI people again

_cloudost: scarlet voice got removed all because of these anti AI folks

spicy.lemonade: its not like theyl get regulated

_cloudost: People that make death threats to AI artists need to be imprisoned ASAP

spicy.lemonade: grok does copyright upside down

spicy.lemonade: theyl eventually make their own

_cloudost: If Kamala had won, would she have implemented copyright laws against grok

spicy.lemonade: wouldnt have done anything. grok would just become opensource in this scenario

spicy.lemonade: delay inevitable

avizuradnb: We have to keep reporting them, I did so too. Some weirdo was calling for the deaths of anyone who used LLMs lmao, unacceptable

spicy.lemonade: Ok I'm tired of ghibli

spicy.lemonade: I've seen so much

spicy.lemonade: It feels like slop

maintcrew: so true

maintcrew: my x feed is only that and i want to see other things at this point

alejandrozarzuelo: Naj

alejandrozarzuelo: Let people be angry

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: Bro what

alejandrozarzuelo: Free speech and all that

spicy.lemonade: Midjourney ceo
Is coping

alejandrozarzuelo: I think they are wrong but who cares

spicy.lemonade: The only way mjv7 gets ahead is if they make their own
Chatbot

spicy.lemonade: The best part about 4o image is youncsn use it naturesly with chat

spicy.lemonade: Midnourney is cooked

spicy.lemonade: Unless they make a sota llm model themselves lol

futurist_wizard: free speech doesn't include death threats

futurist_wizard: not even in America

_cloudost: ^

_cloudost: Would it be acceptable if someone sends death threats to black people over immigration?

_cloudost: no

_cloudost: its not protected under free speech

_cloudost: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytomieYqUCQ this person uses Gemini 2 to manipulate Blender

_cloudost: Wonder how gemini 2 will be

spicy.lemonade: Not one word


_cloudost: Artists get offended so quickly, if you tell them their art looks AI they will get an existential crisis, they would rather you call their art "shit" than AI looking

wellmeaningalien: LOL found it

metaldragon01: https://x.com/joannejang/status/1907174171790197204

_cloudost: Low-key looks AI

wellmeaningalien:

wellmeaningalien: Theyre catching onto it

wellmeaningalien: oh yeah and their friend also had an anime dr house pfp idk how people didnt catch on

_cloudost: He generated the process with Veo 2 and and Sora, it's still AI generated

wellmeaningalien: Based and true

sweetievee__33649: what
what did i just see 💔

sweetievee__33649: this guy makes me hate ai art

wellmeaningalien: people who are excessively against or for ai art are annoying

wellmeaningalien: artists are the more annoying of the bunch tho so i root for their destruction

sweetievee__33649: https://tenor.com/view/ai-art-ai-rage-angry-man-artists-gif-13023367265466851673

sweetievee__33649: searched up ai art and found this in gifs lmao

hikukomoru: Ew

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/ai-art-artist-artists-bad-gif-27200499

_cloudost: He could be a false flag advocator

sweetievee__33649: we need to turn the artists into gpus for ai art

sweetievee__33649: whats that

_cloudost: Someone who pretends to support a cause but in reality intentionally posts stuff to damage it's reputation

hikukomoru: He’s saying the dude is just pretending to be pro ai

futurist_wizard: nah it aint

sweetievee__33649: thats actually smart i should pretend to be an artist and whine on twitter 🔥

hikukomoru: He can be both pro ai and also a gross piece of shit at the same time you know

wellmeaningalien: technically if you subscribe to the idea of Biology being a Mechanism in itself then artists are just big fat GPUs that shit a lot

sweetievee__33649: i think we should feed the artists to the gpu monster because the artist to artwork conversion rate is lower than the gpu to artwork conversion rate

zoermena: The image gen got faster

futurist_wizard:

futurist_wizard: Did it

_cloudost: Gmod screenshot to comic

_cloudost: Why is pyro a black person...

futurist_wizard: Why'd it turn it into a girl

_cloudost: Told in the prompt to make a Koishi comic

futurist_wizard: Hes burnt

otub: but is it the same quality

futurist_wizard:

mihrcelium: You mean anti-ai artists. It's really important to remember that "artists" is an extremely vague and broad term that encapsulates people for and against generative art, and not a monolith with one opinion. <:DALLE3_robot:1158958532700418078>

wellmeaningalien: yeah nerd

wellmeaningalien: https://fxtwitter.com/HotNewHipHop/status/1904249793263915028


joaoluz19: Lol

literallyvarane: Lollololololol

joaoluz19: Failure

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: WOW

hey1_1hey: It did it in english and japanese

gamerbath: damn

hey1_1hey: Why...

hey1_1hey: Yeah this shit rocks

drewsni: its so fucking over for artists gd

ailoveyoom: EAT BANANA PEEL

777agical: someone test gemini with the same prompt

maintcrew: ngmi wokeling

hey1_1hey: DAMN BRO THIS GUY IS AUTISTIC

ai9708: they are just nervous

ailoveyoom: Gemmy seems worse at text

maintcrew: u know the model is getting real when it stops talking english

hey1_1hey: I would be to but damn

joaoluz19: Everybody seems so nervous

777agical: yea, the placement of o4 looks super good

hey1_1hey: Gibberlink engaged

st.sioux: theyre scared its going to fuck up

st.sioux: as image gen usually does

ai9708: what do you expect?

maintcrew: clown to clown communication

hikukomoru: They are all autistic

gamerbath: But it's uh, the guy is in space and he's not wearing a spacesuit. obviously it's stupid 🫥

spicy.lemonade: cant wait to see all the cope

drewsni: every 6 images it generates is porn, so its essentially live russian roulette

ailoveyoom: AI = Autistic Intelligence

hey1_1hey: I would fit right in

hey1_1hey: IS THAT A CAT GIRL

hey1_1hey: Oh its a dog

spicy.lemonade: theres about t be so much cope

spicy.lemonade: on artist reddit

futurist_wizard: Its not actually live

ai9708: that would be awesome

hikukomoru: Dog girl ? 🥵

hey1_1hey: Nuh uh

hey1_1hey: Just a dog