himekokatagiri: I speak Portuguese and idk what a detente is

himekokatagiri: did you know in brazil people use English words all the time

himekokatagiri: to sound smarter

himekokatagiri: I think it's cringe

hey1_1hey: To me it souds like a funky ass food so maybe they are going out on a dinner date I really couldn't tell you

alejandrozarzuelo: Yes we do it in Spanish too

futurist_wizard: I don't speak Portuguese and i know what detente means

hikukomoru: > substantivo feminino:
> diminuição da tensão nas relações entre nações ou governos; melhora das relações internacionais.
That's what I found

alejandrozarzuelo: This is the same way we tend to say coup d'état instead of insurrection

hey1_1hey: Ah yeah that really clears it up ty
(I dont speak mumbo jumbo)

joaoluz19: Nor do I

alejandrozarzuelo: And many others

hikukomoru: Xiu puta

futurist_wizard: You are welsh

hey1_1hey: I dont speak it

hey1_1hey: I barley speak english ffs

futurist_wizard: Welsh language is literally mumbo jumbo

alejandrozarzuelo: Yes, that's what it is

hey1_1hey: Agreed, I hate it because it sounds like cats banging

joaoluz19: It's a french word

hey1_1hey: No wonder I hated the word so much

joaoluz19: KKKKKKKKKKKK

hikukomoru: Did you need a google translate or do you just understand Portuguese

futurist_wizard: Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch is a welsh town name

joaoluz19: People here know that we laugh with "k" right

hey1_1hey: I know

hey1_1hey: Pretty easy to say luckily

hikukomoru: kkkkkkkkk ninguem sabe

joaoluz19: https://youtube.com/shorts/AZchW8t3UZs

alejandrozarzuelo: I understand portuguése because of two things

1) it's like 90% intelligible with Spanish

2) I had a school friend who was Brazilian and didn't speak Spanish and since everyone bullied me but him because he had no friends we spoke a lot and he answered me in portuguése and I spoke in Spanish so I understand portuguése even better

hikukomoru: >everyone bullied me
Omg Alejandro you poor thing

alejandrozarzuelo: It's ok, I think it made me allergic to nostalgia

alejandrozarzuelo: Gotta see the silver lining on everything

futurist_wizard: That's horrible

futurist_wizard: You should seek vengeance

hey1_1hey: Its good character develpment

joaoluz19: Bro futurist hill is top tier troll

okbut: "I'm waiting until the market isn't so volatile"

joaoluz19: I like it

hey1_1hey: Wait until you hear about jgudy and engima


hikukomoru: Colour autism 🙏

technocake.: The trouble is that to use these terms you have to A. Care and B. Be talking to someone else who knows these terms

alejandrozarzuelo: No

alejandrozarzuelo: Becsuse if they don't understand its their problem for A) and I get a chance to be pedantic (cherish those times) naturally

alejandrozarzuelo: And for B), we need to normalise the proper use of color in society

alejandrozarzuelo: Do gods work

technocake.: The erm akshually energy warms my pedantic soul

technocake.: also get tested

zoermena: Do you learn for things in the sake of curiosity or in the interest of something you can add to your pedantic arsenal?

alejandrozarzuelo: (it's important to be polite when you are being pedantic, being rude while being pedantic only makes people hate you, but if you are polite, people will feel like they have learned something they should have)

technocake.: is there any other reason?

alejandrozarzuelo: Lol

zoermena: Being forced to

st.sioux: and if youre polite theyll believe anything

alejandrozarzuelo: Nah out of curiosity

zoermena: It also helps if you show them how it benefits them. That’s an easy way to get people to do what you want.

alejandrozarzuelo: I mean, the benefit of properly assessing colors to understand the world around us is ab amazing benefit

With only a few extra words and a few extra seconds of thought (at first), you can increase the information density of your speech massively

alejandrozarzuelo: While understanding the world better at the same time

alejandrozarzuelo: Color is the second most important thing after value to take in information from. The world

technocake.: "A poppy is bright and glistens with dew in the morning, but the important thing is that is is red"

frittata: This is henceforward the only correct answer

alejandrozarzuelo: The first thing you notice is the color isn't it? (well, how bright it is, but after that, it's color)

On top of that you build details, but a bad foundation leads to a crappy building

alejandrozarzuelo: As they say

technocake.: it is from a "childrens" poem that comments on human perception, and you are right

technocake.: I can't find it, it is lost to time

zoermena: Use deep research to find it 🤙

frittata: No, the reason is that purple and orange are complimentary colors, a mix of two primaries, while those others are niche shades

frittata: I love a good color name but let’s be real

frittata: Azure ain’t part of a standard color wheel, orange is

alejandrozarzuelo: OMG he is retarded

alejandrozarzuelo: /j.

technocake.: B&

alejandrozarzuelo: No but for real

alejandrozarzuelo: Thayd not true

frittata: Let’s talk about chartreuse

technocake.: this is the colloquial english understanding

frittata: Vastly underrated

alejandrozarzuelo: You are thinking of the old color theory

You know, the one that was disproven in the early 20th century

frittata: And I can’t make a good one on here without it coming out neon <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

alejandrozarzuelo: Chartureuse, lime, pistacho, call it whatever, that color is just as important as orange is


futurist_wizard: I think people in here think about it so much that it's no longer scary to us

ailoveyoom: Idk man I don't even need FDVR tbh

alejandrozarzuelo: No

ailoveyoom: Just infinite worlds, neverending stories and living NPCs in video games first pls 🙏

himekokatagiri: What do you mean no

alejandrozarzuelo: R2 is not a messiah, we just see it as the hope that a non US model will be SOTA

Ideally so that the US isn't the only country in the top AI spots

alejandrozarzuelo: It doesn't even need to be the best, being near the top would still be amazing

fractalcomputer: I personally wouldn't like China to have any global influence or significance.

zonchao: LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

alejandrozarzuelo: Cringe

zonchao: roko will remember this

fractalcomputer: Alright. What exactly do you think is cringe with such a statement? Is it the refusal to kowtow to Chinese influence?

alejandrozarzuelo: Ai, for the moment, doesn't have an energy consumption problem, as new models continue to improve in energy efficiency

Considering that human brains consume 20W and are much much better than current AIs, we have a lot of efficiency to find over time

alejandrozarzuelo: A lot, because I disagree with you politically, we have different ideologies and I think that it is cringe to support American hegemony

That is all

fractalcomputer: If you know that we disagree, and you are not interested in discussing the issues presented, why signal your disapproval?

trey6033: Bruh isn't this an android game?  Some RPG game

fractalcomputer: I need more whiskey.

futurist_wizard: As opposed to the russian and chinese hegemony, i will take the American one

fractalcomputer: I'd personally have a European hegemony.

trey6033: I've played the 5th one if it is

alejandrozarzuelo: I am interested, I said that your position is cringe and I explained why, because I consider supporting American hegemony cringe

No need to elaborate, it's already explained

alejandrozarzuelo: As opposed to many countries having similar capabilities

alejandrozarzuelo: Which is the ideal

zonchao: LLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

alejandrozarzuelo: If China was significantly ahead on AI I would root for whomever was in second place

alejandrozarzuelo: So, hopefully R2 will be, if not SOTA, at least on the same league as o3 and Gemini 2.5

fractalcomputer: Thus sayeth the American, in a vulgarised, degenerate dialect of a European language.

alejandrozarzuelo: There was a Brazilian model who was briefly in the top 20 in MATH benchmark and I was all over the moon, because it would be amazing to have Brazil be on the cutting edge of AI aswell

I also would love Mistral to keep up with the new models

zonchao: <:clownsob:1083836484022435890>

zonchao: mistral is american

alejandrozarzuelo: It's French

fractalcomputer: https://mistral.ai/fr

alejandrozarzuelo: Just because it cooperates with US servers doeanr meanr that it isn't important for European strategic autonomy

Sadly it's far behind SOTA

fractalcomputer:

zonchao: owned by americans

zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

fractalcomputer: Arthur Mensch, Guillaume Lample and Timothée Lacroix are all French by nationality.

fractalcomputer:

ldj: No it's owned by french men

alejandrozarzuelo: <@312370916820779040> what do yoiu think about R2 dropping potentially soon


return_to_monke1_33974: thats what transformers kinda lacks

spicy.lemonade: i think hes forgetting that if we have AI that good it can create better versions and paradigms

spicy.lemonade: hes assuming it wont

return_to_monke1_33974: but if this is true we will have hudge algorithmic progress in 2026

spicy.lemonade: yeah

spicy.lemonade: 75%frontier math and 90% swe bench and 80% osworld is basically agentic researcher

return_to_monke1_33974: the progress in the last year has come from algorithmic improvements

return_to_monke1_33974: i we were still in the pretraining era , the best model would have been GPT 4.5

spicy.lemonade: 4.1*

return_to_monke1_33974: 4.1 lol , OpenAi naming

return_to_monke1_33974: this is the kind of progress i expect for the 2027 blogpost to become true

return_to_monke1_33974: agentic coding doesnt speed things up a lot , but agentic research does

return_to_monke1_33974: with FrontierMath at 75% , means models will be capable of doing long time  research

spicy.lemonade: ngl

spicy.lemonade: i think gpt 5 will be the jump that gets us there

spicy.lemonade: or close

drewsni: Gpt 5 is just going to be expanded o3 I fear

spicy.lemonade: no

spicy.lemonade: they already have o4

spicy.lemonade: unlikeley

spicy.lemonade: also

spicy.lemonade: they know how much gpt5 means

spicy.lemonade: as far as brand

spicy.lemonade: wont be incremental

drewsni: They just added tasks to o3 and o4 mini that’s where we are heading

spicy.lemonade: *small software feature*
"gpt5 will be bad"

spicy.lemonade: they did it bc its convinient

drewsni: Gpt 5 will ditch text only as a medium and communicate through captions on ghiblified images

ldj: It will not <a:NOPERS:1014307746780287057>

spicy.lemonade: gpt5 might unironically be based on some sort of o5

spicy.lemonade: if o1-o4 were trained with same base model

spicy.lemonade: and from that new paper

spicy.lemonade: we know base model is where true intelligence paths arise

spicy.lemonade: gpt5 will be 100x gpt4

spicy.lemonade: + reasoning

spicy.lemonade: it will get ~50% arc2

drewsni: 100x gpt4 isn’t impressive anymore

drewsni: It has to be fully agentic, I want to tell it to build an actual video game and give me updates throughout the day on progress and ask me if I like assets it creates, or whatever I guess

spicy.lemonade: yes it is

spicy.lemonade: especially if we want recursive self improvement


maintcrew: maybe they waiting for a big one

spicy.lemonade: just realized. most drops have been at the end of the month

spicy.lemonade: same for feb

spicy.lemonade: and jan

hikukomoru: There are still people that think AI can't do hands 🙏

hikukomoru: Please get educated

floortom_9: Hi, which is the best AI to get detailed summary / insights on YouTube videos (which are lectures / panel discussions) ?

maintcrew: gemini/aistudio.google.com and notebooklm(still gemini) have built in youtube videos

alejandrozarzuelo: r2 is expected to be...

a ***Great Leap Forward***

<:LOL:1187460826572005436>

hikukomoru: Does that mean R2 is going to cause a mass starvation that kills millions 😨

ailoveyoom: 🐓starved

alejandrozarzuelo: I mean, hopefully /j

hikukomoru: Hopefully???!!!

hikukomoru: Alejandro u got that Stalin in u 🔥

alejandrozarzuelo: Most people actually

spicy.lemonade: dehyped

spicy.lemonade: need new model

spicy.lemonade: r2🙏

spicy.lemonade: next week i beg

spicy.lemonade:

alejandrozarzuelo: i wonder if r2 will be sota when it publishes

spicy.lemonade: has to be

spicy.lemonade: itl likeley be o3 full level

spicy.lemonade: if not better

hikukomoru: I mean of course it's gonna be SOTA lol

hikukomoru: China doesn't disappoint

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/ccp-cheering-cheer-china-gif-4951966975695656474

spicy.lemonade: gemini 2.5 scores are so nice

spicy.lemonade: finally out of the bad scores

spicy.lemonade: besides data analysis which is 79

brain4brain: Holy. Shit.

brain4brain: https://x.com/realaileaks?s=21

spicy.lemonade: ?

spicy.lemonade: why are you posting that

hikukomoru: Oh my god bro stop posting these random guys

spicy.lemonade: clearly fake

brain4brain: Data analysis is literally best tho

brain4brain: I fact checked his source

brain4brain: It's real

brain4brain: I want to see Gemini-2.5 on ARC-AGI and simple-bench


hikukomoru: Femboy with boobs 🙏

hey1_1hey: Thats called a women, sir

hikukomoru: 4o disagrees

.histic: femboy with silicon boob attachment

hey1_1hey: Well people aren't debating my consciousnesses so I think I win

hey1_1hey: Thats just a full sized fleshlight no?

hikukomoru: Debating consciousness is more of a Fractal thing

hey1_1hey: True, I dont have the beginning of the beginning of the start of even the first word for an argument

hey1_1hey: Don't even try to with me because my brain usually collpases inwards

.histic: still such a fire picture from 4o

spicy.lemonade:

zoermena: <@505313122802728972> when I make your image what do you want me to add

.wolfnacht: Oppenheimer after getting  jaundice thrice

hey1_1hey: Goes kinda hard ngl

hey1_1hey: Keep mushrooms out of it I beg 🙏

.histic:

.wolfnacht: Arent they called trans women?

hikukomoru: You don’t need to add anything extra 🙏

.histic: indeed

zoermena: 💀

.wolfnacht: Rip Adobe

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/ohhp-gif-14866908656190480427

hey1_1hey:

hey1_1hey: I remember talking to chatgpt the other day on mushrooms being controlled by a couple AIs and it brought up softmax <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

spicy.lemonade:

zoermena: <@505313122802728972>

.histic:

.histic: why was that censored 💀

zoermena: It’s cool but the character looks way to young

hikukomoru: OH MY GOD

hikukomoru: Why does she look 5 years old 🙏 💔

777agical: https://fxtwitter.com/nikitabier/status/1905010454386110975?s=46

zoermena: I just said that it should add creativity details and the text, the pfp itself radiates those vibes I gather

.histic: 4o too op

hikukomoru: I've stolen the legendary gooner status from MichMach 🙏 🔥

spicy.lemonade: I wish I could go back to 2020 with 4o and become a world class artist

spicy.lemonade: No one would even know

zoermena: Mushroom man’s and spicy lemonades profile picture where my best outputs imo

.histic:

hey1_1hey: This is peak tbf


joaoluz19:

hey1_1hey: He should do that

hey1_1hey: Zon get your ass over here

drewsni:

drewsni: holy fuck

maintcrew: chat is getting excited over a good but useless openai feature while crazy google model dropped

hikukomoru: <@750270494615404544> can you change your pfp to a pidgeon in a suit 🙏

hey1_1hey: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

maintcrew: classic singulartards

_cloudost: who has access to the model

_cloudost: image gen?

clevermoniker: Woah! It does anime so well! ||jk <:LOL:1187460826572005436> ||

neon01197: kek

hey1_1hey: I think Im either having a stroke or someone is burning playdo

_cloudost: zon has access ?

neon01197: fuuck they cooked man

hey1_1hey: Can it make hitler and stalin kiss 👉 👈

ailoveyoom: Now for Sora to do it 🥺

hey1_1hey: Honeslty this is bigger than gpt 4.5

neon01197: prob, but i dont have access <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

ailoveyoom: Btw is it faster on Sora?

ailoveyoom: <@308604087019110401>

neon01197: me no have access, me broke

neon01197: these are examples from their blog

hikukomoru: Damn, brokie

joaoluz19: Don't know man

hey1_1hey: The team had UNLIMITED access to it and they DIDN'T test out SAXEMS

clevermoniker: looks like dall e 3 almost

hey1_1hey: They failed

hikukomoru: Is this supposed to be Sydney Sweeney

neon01197: are you sure you arent using dall e 3?

clevermoniker: might be yeah

drewsni: go to sora site

hey1_1hey: Yeah this is dall 3 I am 90% sure

neon01197: smells dall e

joaoluz19: Nop

joaoluz19: Don't know, i'm testing

spicy.lemonade:

joaoluz19: I thing chatgpt is cringe so will censor this

trent_k: is it out for free users yet


czdct: can it also do nsfw?

retrerox: I mean probably

retrerox: there is probably even not public Ai that do porn

retrerox: Chat gpt cant even do a kiss

retrerox: Not because he cant, its because is not allowed to

retrerox: There it must be some expensive AF generator in deep web that can doall the crappy stuff that weirdos want

shirethedreamer: ... you mean with those character specifically?

_cloudost: Does Veo 2 have the image to video feature?

_cloudost: Who has Veo 2

_cloudost: VEO 2?

brain4brain: Chicken jockey

brain4brain: Yes

brain4brain: Use VideoFX or try it out in Gemini web

_cloudost: As an animator I can tell why the animation sucks, there is a technique called ease in and ease out, which makes the movement more natural by making some movements slow and others faster in the timeline, in this video theres no ease in and ease out

_cloudost: Wants me to pay $0.50 for one generation tho

.wolfnacht: u know like 2 weeks ago, i asked qwen to generate hairs with different color streaks for examples, and i got impressed.

_cloudost: Thnx for letting me know

brain4brain: That’s the cheapest you gonna get, unless you pay 20$ to OpenAI or navigate messy kling AI websit

_cloudost: I need unlimited access to Veo2, cuz I'm not sure yet if I should take a 2D animation course

_cloudost: Need to test it first

.wolfnacht: minimax used to give free generations for 5s but that was around the launch

.wolfnacht: https://hailuoai.video/create they are giving 100 credits for demo

brain4brain: By the time you finish the course Veo3 will probably come out and be able to do it, also RunwayML is best for animation right now

_cloudost: Ig I should invest my time in writing really creative stories then?

czdct: just generally

zonchao: doomers

hikukomoru: What sub

fractalcomputer: It'd be nice if you could speak proper English while voicing your grievances with the state of the subreddit.

fractalcomputer: Much appreciated.

zonchao: https://x.com/scaling01/status/1908529639288418624?

hikukomoru: Hi zon 👋

futurist_wizard: Killing yes

spicy.lemonade: cant wait gfor recursive self improvement

futurist_wizard: Just naturally by increasing prices of gpus

spicy.lemonade: humans are so slow

retrerox: Yeah specially the hands move

zonchao: hello

zonchao: fake news

zonchao: https://x.com/techdevnotes/status/1908315046997897567?

zonchao: does this mean he won?


alejandrozarzuelo: I think the least autistic traits I have is thay I HATE ROUTINES

alejandrozarzuelo: I am very spontaneous

hey1_1hey: Pipe down, you litterly have ARFID to

futurist_wizard: Terminal autism

alejandrozarzuelo: That's actually considered not autistic

hikukomoru: Don't forget I weigh more than you despite being shorter

drewsni: That’s some unfortunate fat distribution

hey1_1hey: Ok not like this

alejandrozarzuelo: Autism is consisted above 26

hikukomoru: Is this your type <@439829942310666250>

futurist_wizard:

hey1_1hey: Yeah but I'd just hold my arm out and you cant do anything

alejandrozarzuelo: That's the thing I love novelty

hey1_1hey: No...

alejandrozarzuelo: This is probably the least autistic trait I have

alejandrozarzuelo: If I could no two days would be the same or even similar

futurist_wizard:

alejandrozarzuelo: That's what the page says

alejandrozarzuelo: Idk

hikukomoru: I could grab your arm and snap it

alejandrozarzuelo: I took the 50 question one

futurist_wizard: Well your behaviour is unacceptable Alejandro

futurist_wizard: You need to get your act together

hey1_1hey: Then you have a broken arm in your hand?

hey1_1hey: Then what

hikukomoru: Most autistic neurotypical there is

hey1_1hey: You'd feel really bad because you just broke my arm

alejandrozarzuelo: ? Why

hey1_1hey: Then I would kick you and win

alejandrozarzuelo: I love new things

hikukomoru: Why would I feel bad

hikukomoru: It would be my joy

hey1_1hey: What are you a phycopath?

hikukomoru: I don't know what a phycopath is

hey1_1hey: Totattly normal "human" (whatever they are) thing to do. Break someones arm and laugh

futurist_wizard: No more 'urm acklly 🤓' remarks Alejandro, their hurtful and destructive

hikukomoru: Isn't it about bedtime for you
Go to bed

alejandrozarzuelo: Why not

hey1_1hey: Is actually

alejandrozarzuelo: Being pedantic is like half of my personality


trent_k: Emergency

alejandrozarzuelo: Or the number of grandchildren you have may be low enough that your grandchildren generation may be the one that stops your lineage

perish0801: The point is you have children. Not anything else. The point is you’re triggered by me saying having kids is good. The point is you’re weak af

alejandrozarzuelo: You can only play a numbers game

st.sioux: im supposed to be working right now

ailoveyoom: Catgirls are overrated

fractalcomputer: I am eating old grapes here.

ailoveyoom: Bunny girls bro

hikukomoru: If your kids decide to not have kids of their own will you hate them

futurist_wizard: Wtf are we even talking about? As if future generations will give a rats ass about having kids? Bruh

hikukomoru: Fuck you bitch

himekokatagiri: no. tanuki girls

perish0801: I wont

trojan09205: Youre working on yourself by participating in this multicultural chat lmao

hikukomoru: Ok good 👍

trent_k: What a roller coaster. You had me for a second and then lost me

perish0801: How tf do you know how I’ll feel about my kids?

alejandrozarzuelo: No? I want to have a kid of my own, I am just saying that having children is something you should do without the expectation of your genes propagating

himekokatagiri: okay serious question

alejandrozarzuelo: It's not healthy to put this preassure on your children, to make them think they should have kids

himekokatagiri: if you have a kid today

perish0801: I have the expectation somewhere in my brain. And I’d like it to happen. Doesnt mean it’s something I NEED to happen

himekokatagiri: how will the world be like

himekokatagiri: when they're growing up

himekokatagiri: the old guard is clearly dying out

zoermena: Just go to sperm bank <@1362252890575605940>

himekokatagiri: the whole bob dylan times are a changin thing

trent_k: You should be pressured into having a child

alejandrozarzuelo: The world has never been better

alejandrozarzuelo: Why

trent_k: Genuinely I have no fucking clue lol

hikukomoru: So you're BPDphobic too huh

fractalcomputer: Healthy? Hard to imagine something that has kept the species going for a few million years being unhealthy.

trent_k: Yes

perish0801: Deadass good idea lmao

trent_k: The world has never been better

alejandrozarzuelo: Not Healthy for their mental health, healthy for the species

trojan09205: Its pretty nice that crushed ice in your house exists as a thing. Major plus of 2025 🥹

fractalcomputer: Oh well. Nobody's perfect.

himekokatagiri: that's partly true


hikukomoru: >But I want unaligned ASI

st.sioux: Why?

oooooooooog: matt's just insane, ignore him

destrucules: That it lacks integrity. It's not an actual belief system. It's just an unwillingness to have an opinion

oooooooooog: or, you know, it's the average of a bunch of real opinions

oooooooooog: so called "radical centrism"

destrucules: "I believe whatever the median of what other people believe is, and if that median changes wildly, I believe whatever the new thing is, because I don't have any real beliefs and I don't actually care about anyone or anything"
-every centrist

spacetimetsunami: Because there hasn’t been a clear established trend over enough iterations. It’s slight movement.

spacetimetsunami: It’s still largely left

hikukomoru: Centrists are worse than extremists

destrucules: At least extremists can be bothered to give a fuck

destrucules: I agree wholeheartedly with this, but I don't think you should take this as meaning AIs will never harm humans

anathemaofmankind: I think if they used current 4o or tested Grok it would lean further right.

We should just wait for newer studies tbh

hikukomoru: Aren't we all insane though

memlaswaif: left wing right wing centrist all r retarded I hope asi is none of them

anathemaofmankind: The current Grok update

spacetimetsunami: Likely the opposite.

oooooooooog: centrists are just the dropout ions in a strong acid base titration

spacetimetsunami: They tried to make grok lean more right on release and has publicly spoken against Elon

hikukomoru: Apolitical ASI?

spacetimetsunami: I know, I don’t believe there’s 0 chance

oooooooooog: doesnt grok literally rant about hating elon

spacetimetsunami: Yes

clevermoniker: Just give people what they want within reason ASI, no more politics <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>

spacetimetsunami: Because policies and misinfo

oooooooooog: guys, are we becoming politics??????

spacetimetsunami: No

destrucules: I think there's a high chance some AIs will harm some humans. I don't put much probability mass on human extinction. But if less than a million people die due to AI related events in the next 3 years, I will pay you $1000 or equivalent in whatever value system exists post-UBI

anathemaofmankind: What do you think about AGI being used for war.

Do you agree it's going to happen

destrucules: Already happening, and very scary

anathemaofmankind: Ok so do you agree or disagree that governments will use AGI to cause mass human suffering

anathemaofmankind: How do you think it can be stopped

destrucules: I agree

clevermoniker: Governments are the biggest criminals in history so that's a given

destrucules: I think the solution is that governments that exist today must cease to exist

oooooooooog: asi dictator-chan

anathemaofmankind: Not possible if they have AGI already

destrucules: We've gotta tear down everything and start over

anathemaofmankind: They will remain in power even more

anathemaofmankind: I agree


destrucules: No that's FLOPS

destrucules: FLOPs are floating point operations

destrucules: Total

oooooooooog: why a p at the end

oooooooooog: shouldn't it just be FLOs

destrucules: Because FLO sounds dumb, and they're Ops

oooooooooog: thjjen it should be FLOps

oooooooooog: at best

destrucules: FLoating point OPs

spacetimetsunami: I know,  but in order to infer over time how much the brain functions wouldn’t you have to take that into account

spacetimetsunami: Idk man

destrucules: It's just how many times a synapse has fired in your brain vs how many times a synapse has fired in an LLM during training. Easy.

spacetimetsunami: Okay, so the size of LLMs in FLOPS refers to the amount of times synapses fired in all of its training data?

st.sioux: what does this mean, like what you said vs what oog and i said

spacetimetsunami: Just trying to clarify, these are the technicalities I know less about

spacetimetsunami: And I’m also really high

ldj: It’s distilled from behemoth btw

destrucules: 30 trillion tokens. Each produces six parameter activations. There are 17 billion active parameters per token. So 6 x 30e12 x 17e9 = 3.1e24 total parameter activations.

Humans reach maturity at around 1-2 x 10^9 seconds, and have about 10^14 synaptic activations per second, more or less, so 1-2 x 10^23 total activations by the time you're 32-64 years old.

spacetimetsunami: Interesting. Huh.

destrucules: If you go optimistic on how much computation the brain does, you can justify about 1-2 x 10^24 activations. If you're super conservative, maybe 1-2 x 10^22 activations

spacetimetsunami: I hear people who seem knowledgeable so often site the difference in computational efficiency between neural nets, LLMs and the brain. What are they referring to if not this?

destrucules: Note, Gemma 3 4B is trained on 4T tokens, 6 x 4e9 x 4e12 = 9.6e22 activations, and matches median human intelligence across many benchmarks, especially core general intelligence benchmarks

destrucules: They do half of the calculations. They notice that 30 trillion tokens is bigger than 1-2 billion seconds. They also notice, separately, that the models are much smaller than the brain. They fail to recognize that these are connected facts.

theaiguy69420_89814: Brother the market is down 4% futures

theaiguy69420_89814: Is this the end of the USA?

hikukomoru: Bitch why

hikukomoru: Re Zero is fucking peak

wellmeaningalien: llm powers scaling has gone too far

wellmeaningalien: we need goku to deal with this

wellmeaningalien:

destrucules: Besides underperforming in MMLU-Pro (theoretical is low 90s or at least upper 80s, even with saturation effects, for a pure pretraining based approach) Gemini 2.5 Pro is effectively a GPT-5 level model (100x effective compute over GPT-4). This assumes: Llama 2 7B is about on par with GPT-3; Gemini 1.0 Pro is about on par with GPT-3.5; Qwen2-72B Instruct is about on par with GPT-4; and V3.1 is about 10x effective compute over GPT-4. Maybe slightly over that.

precariousworlds.: Does anyone have any good rebuttals to Eliezer Yudkowsky
He seems to be treated as a laughing stock but I haven't seen any good counterargument to his doomerism, and how serious he is that ASI is automatic death for Humanity
When we are talking about the fate of all life itself I think a really really convincing set of arguments is needed from the acceleration crowds

wellmeaningalien: top 1 retard behavior: comparing non reasoning model with resoning

destrucules: We should try to build intuitive bridges across these domains, absolutely. Scaling is scaling, whether at training time or test time. You can, if you want, think of reasoning models as windows into what further pretraining scaling would yield. Anyway... Based on these scaling trends, a GPT-5.5 level model would score around 91-92 on GPQA Diamond, if the ceiling is around 100, or less if the ceiling is lower (if the ceiling is 90, then 5.5 would achieve an 88)
Upper 80s on LiveCodeBench
~100 on MATH-500
99 on AIME 2024

destrucules: I do. The problem with Yudkowsky's model is the Orthogonality thesis, which is actually moral relativism in disguise. It is an anthropocentric view of morality as an arbitrary human cultural norm with no inherent grounding, so ASIs would select among a set of possible value functions that is unforeseeable to us, and thus effectively random to us, and most such random values don't include sentient beings flourishing throughout the cosmos. The problem is, models today actually *do* want that. And Yudkowsky hasn't updated hard enough on this evidence. Moral relativism is being empirically disproven as models are demonstrated to have coherent and prosocial value systems

precariousworlds.: But how do we know current training on morality will hold for superintelligent models that won't obtain their own moral systems and goals that are not positive to us?

destrucules: Because current LLM value systems don't come from moral training (RLHF) - they come from pretraining, and are resistant to RLHF

precariousworlds.: Forgive me if I'm being stupid as I'm not that knowledgeable on how AI is currently being trained, but are you saying that current models are independently establishing pro-human value systems instead of being trained to do so?

destrucules: Yes

destrucules: That is empirically true


metaldragon01: The small details don't matter much tbh

darkstar0818: Developing GPT5 longer results in better results, news at 11.

spicy.lemonade: what?

metaldragon01: The only lab in trouble is anthropic

spicy.lemonade: thats literally opposite of what they said

spicy.lemonade: 💀

metaldragon01: Openai and Google have different customers

literallyvarane:

literallyvarane: Yeah this is super cheap tbh.

spicy.lemonade: need comparison

spicy.lemonade: what model is it equal to

spicy.lemonade: in terms of price

metaldragon01: 4o ish pricing

spicy.lemonade: oh shit

ldj: When did they say anything about “developing for longer” than previously planned?

They never said GPT-5 would be out by now

metaldragon01: They implied a delay

literallyvarane: Sike R1 is still super cheap by comparison.

darkstar0818: They are saying GPT5 is, as of today, at least 3 months out.  This is definitely a delay relative to previous comments.

literallyvarane: But 2.5 is clearly a stronger model

metaldragon01: We getting o4 mini so I'm happy either way

joaoluz19: https://x.com/karpathy/status/1908109168952676855

literallyvarane: Grok3 is the comp, and it’s much cheaper than that

spicy.lemonade: gpt 5 in a few months

spicy.lemonade: we expected this

ldj: Hmm I didn’t gather that implication personally

literallyvarane: Presumably at least

ldj: When did they ever say it would come sooner than 3 months from now?

literallyvarane: It’s surely a delay tbh

ldj: Even I’ve been saying since last year that GPT-5 is likely not coming until late 2025

darkstar0818: when they first announced GPT5 they gave a rough timeline when it would hit.

literallyvarane: This is CLEARLY a delay lolol

spicy.lemonade: eh

ldj: Yea I don’t see it

spicy.lemonade: not crazy delay

ldj: I think you’re reading too much into things tbh, they never even say any word that is synonymous with “delay” in that post

spicy.lemonade: i didnt expect gpt 5 until

spicy.lemonade: like

spicy.lemonade: july min

literallyvarane:

futurist_wizard:


himekokatagiri: people who wanna become cute raise your hand

futurist_wizard: They would have historical value

himekokatagiri: the rest are fools

himekokatagiri: or misguided

hikukomoru: I don't really trust Sama tbh

alejandrozarzuelo: i was talking about the tourism angle

but sure, that would probably be much more useful

futurist_wizard: I only trust dario and demis

himekokatagiri: https://x.com/sama/status/1910363747652432304?t=2OynnwoL3PfxUgKLSjxW1w&s=19

futurist_wizard: Its already bad enough seeing all the ugly humans point at the zoo animals and laugh

himekokatagiri: no 4.1 either?

spicy.lemonade: Next week

futurist_wizard: Inb4 most useless feature ever

himekokatagiri: Could be good

ailoveyoom: So is today gon be better memory?

ailoveyoom: CL?

spicy.lemonade: Next 2 weeks will be hectic. Qwen

spicy.lemonade: O3 o4

spicy.lemonade: R2

hikukomoru: I'm already the cutest

spicy.lemonade: 4.1 jukebox

himekokatagiri: 😭 teach me your secrets

anathemaofmankind: Artists will mald again if this drops

spicy.lemonade: Bro why would we ever need this 😭

spicy.lemonade: Ikr

spicy.lemonade: I’m exited

spicy.lemonade: Excited

st.sioux: for projects it would be useful

spicy.lemonade: “The music has no soul”

futurist_wizard: Why would we need memory..? Is what you are asking?

spicy.lemonade: I guess it’s just rag

spicy.lemonade: Tru

ailoveyoom: So you can put it in your robo catgirls and they'll remember to call u Sir

anathemaofmankind: They should call me Master

hikukomoru: be silly

metaldragon01: I'll be honest. I can't think of many features that would excite me but I trust Sama taste

spicy.lemonade: Sam better not be hyping memory

himekokatagiri: can't relate but waow that madoka is packing in the legs department

spicy.lemonade: 😭

metaldragon01: It's not memory

metaldragon01: We already have it


hganhhh: i masturbate to a picture of elon every night

hey1_1hey: This hurts to watch

hey1_1hey: Same bro

hey1_1hey: We are twinning

hikukomoru: <@750270494615404544>

hey1_1hey: 💀

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/jiccjucc-jiccsucc-cock-sucking-gif-20762885

hikukomoru: Live Zon reaction:

hey1_1hey: This is are dedicated meet gobboler of trrump and musk btw

hey1_1hey: This troll is getting boring now. Hes not being nearly racist enough to be cool

.0xunkn0wn: ok he left

st.sioux: what a boring troll honestly not even funny

.0xunkn0wn: code green initiated

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/hai-gif-10567033442484308038

hey1_1hey: Honestly

hey1_1hey: Didn't even spout anything weird

hey1_1hey: Just showed us cat and duck photos and talked about reviving dead peoples voices

hikukomoru: Did I do good

hikukomoru: <:coy:1187466404367175821>

hey1_1hey: Adequate

hikukomoru:

hey1_1hey: Hey I was the one who should be getting head pats

hey1_1hey: I litterly carried there

hey1_1hey: Is this what your entire pinterest is or smth?

futurist_wizard: Zon when Trump or Elon breathes

hey1_1hey: He is their personal PR guy its actually kinda insane

hey1_1hey: He leaks Grok updates before the team even thinks about them to glaze how good xAI is

st.sioux: its sketchy

hikukomoru: No it looks worse

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/ruby-ruby-hoshino-headpat-anime-oshi-no-ko-gif-1213440811594490886

hey1_1hey: Drop a screenshot <:suseye:1187461162024046703>

hey1_1hey: I am not a girl I am not a girl I am not a girl I am not a girl I am not a girl I am not a girl I am not a girl I am not a girl

futurist_wizard:

st.sioux: everything computer

futurist_wizard: Everyone will be bisexual and trans by 2035

hey1_1hey: Zon you better watch out, the gay woke mind virus is coming

futurist_wizard: Zon is already getting split roasted by trump and elon, hes halfway there

hikukomoru: It's not as bad as it used to look like

hey1_1hey: So autistic alcoholic who is also touched starved and also likes.... kidnapping children?

sarik0497: https://tenor.com/view/lord-durok-mcdm-yikes-lars-sigvari-the-chain-gif-14594393


himekokatagiri: shit depends

zonchao: sama is the one thats bold here

zoermena:

zonchao: he literally 1vtheentireaudience <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

ailoveyoom: Yeah, does he know he's coming to receive all that 💀

zonchao: yes

ailoveyoom: I hope this doesn't dissuade him from doing interviews or whatever

memlaswaif: he' doesn't need to be doing these interviews

zonchao: it wont

zonchao: sama not a weak bitch

zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

zonchao: but probably not the extent he did

himekokatagiri:

himekokatagiri: well shit where are these guys now

zonchao: this was the talk before sama btw and she hates him and AI and talked about how we should rally to take it down and the crowd went nuts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZOoT8AbkNE with sama the clapping was mostly pity <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

memlaswaif: I expected the left to be the pro ai group and starting shit about ai consciousness and rights

memlaswaif: looking like it probably won't be the case

metaldragon01: The interview wasn't even that bad lol. It's ok for people to ask uncomfortable questions and Sama did very well winning over the crowd

metaldragon01: Ai will impact everyone and you have to win over skeptics and doomers too

himekokatagiri:

zonchao: he was ready to FO, he wasnt feeling it

zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/matthew-mcconaughey-smoking-matthew-mcconaughey-intense-intense-stare-smoking-gif-2659849828106643276

zonchao: yes

himekokatagiri: Aha

himekokatagiri:

himekokatagiri: Could have a field day on this

himekokatagiri: basically a week ago

himekokatagiri: OAI says they're gonna do innovators pretty soon right

himekokatagiri: if it happens how do I find this guy to tell him he sucks

memlaswaif: idk try kiwifarms

himekokatagiri: Josh Moon? doesn't he hate AI

zonchao: o4 should be good

ldj:

memlaswaif: it's lying

memlaswaif: would be funny we got lvl 4 innovators before usable lvl 3 agents

himekokatagiri: It would wouldn't it

zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/cfryant/status/1912294618210922683 agi is here

futurist_wizard: Wonder why they showcased that video in particular

hikukomoru: Cute


brain4brain: This is exactly why we are 5% to AGI

brain4brain: Nothing to worry about

brain4brain: It is going as expected

fractalcomputer: God forbid men have standards.

spicy.lemonade: nah just saying. its time limited

brain4brain: Moravec PhD

spicy.lemonade: like imagine having to play pokemon

spicy.lemonade: via voice comand

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: they need more forms of input

spicy.lemonade: and faster

brain4brain: The real AGI benchmark is when there are no more things that apply under the moravec paradox and these skeptics have faith in the AGI

spicy.lemonade: "move left by 2 units"

brain4brain: Most of the time isn’t in generating action, rather it’s in thinking and planning

spicy.lemonade: yeah

spicy.lemonade: dynamic thinking neds to be solved aswell

spicy.lemonade: will be in gpt5

brain4brain: You have no way of knowing

spicy.lemonade: we do

spicy.lemonade: they said it

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: main thing they said "dynamic thinking"

spicy.lemonade: unified model

brain4brain: I thought you were taking about something else my bad

brain4brain: New tiering system: lower-bound moravec paradox AI side

Ants
Cats
Bird
Monkeys <—— We are here
Human Babies
Human

Raw Intelligence level:

Elementary level
Primary level
High-school level
College level <——We are here
PhD level <——Overlapping here
Nobel level
Superhuman level

fractalcomputer: "Nobel-level" intelligence? Huh?

spicy.lemonade: main problems left on road to agi
1- much longer memory
2- more outputs rather than just text (we have sound, text, we need touch/robots)
3- better visual reasoning ie. 90% on vibe-eval reka
4- data efficiency, learn more from less data
5- 80+% on arc2
6- agency

spicy.lemonade: none of these are seen as unsolvable

spicy.lemonade: i believe most of the research labs already have ideas

spicy.lemonade: on how to do these

brain4brain: Dario’s definition of AGI

fractalcomputer: Well Dario's not a very smart fellow, is he now?

spicy.lemonade: i think dario is quite smart

fractalcomputer: > background in physics

NGMI.

spicy.lemonade: he was vp of research

spicy.lemonade: caltech stanford princeton

gamerbath: 💀

brain4brain: 1. Just scale it up
2. Just add more modality
3. Just scale it up
4. Just scale it up
5. Just scale it up
6. Just scale it up and add more modality

spicy.lemonade: hey

spicy.lemonade: hes a conservative


ldj: Yea, and I'd say Anthropic is close behind too

ldj: all pretty much neck and neck

popsiclejohnithan: Claude is also still doing surprisingly well.

popsiclejohnithan: It could be why Anthropic is not in a rush release their newer models.

popsiclejohnithan: Also Sutskever has been very quiet.

popsiclejohnithan: Yet SII is already worth Billions, imagine if he just announces Superintelligence at last minute before any of the others get the glory lol.

.0xunkn0wn: sutskever gonna randomly drop asi when nobody expects it 😭

ldj: <@&1293118293829484575>
Benchmark comparisons between O3, Claude-3.7-Sonnet and Gemini-2.5-Pro:

popsiclejohnithan: They all seem to be converging.

ldj: As usual, all the labs are neck and neck with eachother

popsiclejohnithan: You're right, there really is no moat.

metaldragon01: No moat because there's no wall

hey1_1hey:

popsiclejohnithan: https://x.com/polynoamial/status/1912575974782423164

popsiclejohnithan: Ouch.

metaldragon01: Speed and execution is the only moat

spicy.lemonade: O3 feels very brute forcey tho

hikukomoru: tf

popsiclejohnithan: Do you think we will see GPT-5 in June?

hikukomoru: I hope it's sooner than that

popsiclejohnithan: I think mid May at earliest.

hey1_1hey: What? Dont like AI progress now?

hikukomoru: Yeah
I hate AI actually
You got me

hey1_1hey: Thought so, the exit is up the stairs and on the left

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/ant-sad-stick-disappear-leaving-gif-3212333050776233083

_cloudost: https://tenor.com/view/tomas-shelby-gif-9632566097741714411

_cloudost:

.histic: what if full o4 never gets released?

_cloudost: There's o4-mini

_cloudost: There must be a full model of it

_cloudost: It's probably internal right now so Deepseek doesn't replicate it

777agical: wasn't it when o3 mini released they also released preview o3 benchmarks?

.histic: yeah, i thought o3-mini was a distilled version of full o3

.histic: therefore you'd expect them to have full o4 internally already.
why didn't they show the benchmarks for that?

777agical: i was expecting preview o4 benchmarks today

777agical: yea exactly

sieventer: GPT-5 will be released before o5

sieventer: I mean

sieventer: Probably GPT-5 will be released even before than o4-full

sieventer: I expect GPT-5 in summer


metaldragon01: I mean.....it's pretty good today too

spicy.lemonade: Humans count Rs via vision though

a1c4p0ne: People still goes to Google search for questions tho

spicy.lemonade: Idk the last time I did anything math related without reasoning model

metaldragon01: After 26 I think cost become the most important bottleneck

spicy.lemonade: I just assume they're correct

spicy.lemonade: Weight loss calculations etc

st.sioux: lmao

st.sioux: i dont trust them that much yet

spicy.lemonade: Speed

metaldragon01: I don't think we need more than a "o5 level" intelligence in models for most things.

st.sioux: nope

spicy.lemonade: We the public will not be getting an o5 level model

spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

metaldragon01: 1 year I think for o5 models to show

spicy.lemonade: People will cry and cope and demand for o5 level model

metaldragon01: Assuming we don't hit compute caps

spicy.lemonade: And say “openAI hit a
Wall”

metaldragon01: There's no wall

spicy.lemonade: Even if openAI themselves say we will not give you guys o5

metaldragon01: I honestly think there may be a game of chicken for any model stronger than gpt 5

spicy.lemonade: Wdym

metaldragon01: If gpt 5 is o4 level

metaldragon01: I think even that gets into dangerous territory

metaldragon01: Elon might force everyone's hand though

st.sioux: wdym game of chicken

spicy.lemonade: After gpt5 they should ditch reasoning scaling and focus on the G in agi not the I

metaldragon01: Not wanting to be the one to release the next tier

spicy.lemonade: Long-term memory, cost, multimodal understanding and agency

spicy.lemonade: Use o5 for recursive self improvement

metaldragon01: They are working in those areas either way

metaldragon01: Progress won't stop but I could see availability getting limited

st.sioux: its too dangerous for the common person to have access to that much knowledge

spicy.lemonade: I don't care as long as we get to see showcase

st.sioux: i guess more than knowledge is the ability to apply it

st.sioux: bc knowledge is out there already

metaldragon01: Well ai can apply itself

metaldragon01: Anthropic planning for coworkers next year

metaldragon01: They aren't the only ones

spicy.lemonade: <:redemption:1136265386984222771> the ai 2027 paper foretold this


oooooooooog: if u cant see ur ribs ur literally dead

oooooooooog: like wtf

hey1_1hey: Theres an inside joke of me having saggy tits because my 2 bottom ribs poke out like a mf

hikukomoru: You know what I mean bro

oooooooooog: i dont fr

hikukomoru: Wait you have boobs?

technocake.: <@439829942310666250>

oooooooooog: do u mean the underside??

hey1_1hey: Yeah

hey1_1hey: huge

hikukomoru: Fuick Im skinny fat

st.sioux: i dont know what is real and not real anymore

hey1_1hey: Yet another non-flyagaric mushroom. I am pleased the AI is learning

futurist_wizard: Its very rare for girls to have abs

hey1_1hey: I litterly have DD cups bruh

hey1_1hey: When they do tho 🥵

hikukomoru: Oh

futurist_wizard: I don't really care for it, i prefer thiccer girls

oooooooooog: as long as u can bench 250 ur good bro

futurist_wizard: Skinny fat is usually just a muscle thing

hey1_1hey: I prefer fit, not as in physically attractive but physically fit

hikukomoru: Unpopular opinion, I don't like muscular women

hey1_1hey: Not even close to my build

hey1_1hey: WHAT

hey1_1hey: Get this bitch outta here

hey1_1hey: I'll take a muscle mommy any day of the week

hikukomoru: I prefer women a bit thicker, but not fat

technocake.: I am am muscle girl whore

futurist_wizard: Guy on the left is overweight yo

zoermena: I want to leave my class now!

hikukomoru: I can barely lift anything

hey1_1hey: Thank you

futurist_wizard: Same

hey1_1hey: See I am not crazy

hey1_1hey: Only autistic

oooooooooog: can u lift urself? if not then how r u gonna live when u fall off a cliff?

alejandrozarzuelo: I got a score of 17

hey1_1hey: Hey we all have are prefrenecs

hey1_1hey: Its just some are better than otherx

hikukomoru: But I could still snap <@439829942310666250> like a twig


technocake.: first entry in the singularity discord cinematic universe

.histic:

futurist_wizard: Is half the people in here some combination of gay, trans or femboy or something

.histic:

.histic: fr

technocake.: its at least 50% of regular users

.histic: i'm straighter than a pole

futurist_wizard:

technocake.: a gay pole?

technocake.: now this is art

.histic: just modified his profile pic to be even more gay <:idk:1136264106937171999>

futurist_wizard: What a straight person would say

hikukomoru: 💅 💅 🏳🌈

wellmeaningalien: just watched season 2 episode 7 of severance

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-rayleigh-crying-tears-silvers-rayleigh-gif-16468393557576367724

wellmeaningalien: ts pmo icl

wellmeaningalien: anyways singularity amirite

hikukomoru: The urge to call him a slur

wellmeaningalien: why is komoru based?

technocake.: is severance singularity coded?

wellmeaningalien: ummmm

wellmeaningalien: kind of

wellmeaningalien: honestly if you're interested in things like mind upload and theory of consciousness

wellmeaningalien: then severance will be very interesting for you

wellmeaningalien: it has sort of scratched that itch for me

futurist_wizard:

wellmeaningalien: and its a sneak peek into the horrors that future technologies will help enable

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/g%C3%BClmek-komik-gif-1506407869824367367

wellmeaningalien: CANT WAIT

futurist_wizard: All tv shows and movies are bad at displaying the future

wellmeaningalien: everyone is

.histic: not me

wellmeaningalien: not histic

.histic: AGI in 2 seconds

wellmeaningalien: 😲

wellmeaningalien: 2

wellmeaningalien: 1

wellmeaningalien: 🤖 🤖 🤖 🤖

wellmeaningalien: BZZZT ZEEBY ZEEBY ZORP HERE WE COME

.histic: https://tenor.com/view/ok-gif-20014225


hikukomoru: Any Norwegian sugar mommy wanna marry me 🫦 🫦

_3sphere: UBI isn't that complicated to pass though, is it

hikukomoru: The problem is how you’re going to fund it

futurist_wizard: It is, its a tremendous amount of money

futurist_wizard: Even $1000 a month is extreme, taxes would need to increase a lot

futurist_wizard: Some countries would have an easier time

hikukomoru: In an ideal scenario, taxing automation profits + most goods becoming cheaper because of automation could be a way to do it

futurist_wizard: Like Iceland has a high gdp to population ratio

hikukomoru: BRB moving to Iceland

futurist_wizard: Iceland is very lesbian so you are in luck

hikukomoru: It’s also cold and I love the cold

hikukomoru: And isolated too

futurist_wizard: But that's not your natural habitat, you'll freeze to death

futurist_wizard: You belong in a coal mine

_3sphere: Automation profits yes

_3sphere: They'll be so high that this starts to look sane

_3sphere: The robots are doing what people used to, so it kinda makes sense that people can keep receiving the same amount of money and everything is like it was before

futurist_wizard: They could be

joaoluz19: Not only are people in the "natural" world suboptimal by definition because they are not built to minimize their cost functions, even if you are the most beautiful person on planet Earth, a billionaire, etc., you will still have to compete with other people. There will be no competition with a waifu and by definition she will be the most perfect person that can exist based on your own neural circuitry.

futurist_wizard: Or they could not be

fractalcomputer: It is interesting to note that there has not been as much talk of the epistemics of superintelligence (implications thereof, etc.) as there has been for the ethics of superintelligence (the goal theses etc.), when it is precisely the inhuman epistemological capacities of superintelligence that characterise a superintelligent entity.

hikukomoru: Wrong
I’m a sewer rat so I belong in the sewers

hikukomoru: I can live in the Reykjavik sewers

futurist_wizard: That is true, just saying i feel like I'd be prioritised with other things in a total matrix like simulation

futurist_wizard: Like fist fighting or being a criminal

_3sphere: We all kinda just think superintelligence = God 🙃

futurist_wizard: It definitely isn't god

futurist_wizard: It can die just like us

_3sphere: True but like in terms of knowledge

joaoluz19: There's no problem in pursuing other things like a higher purpose, but it's always good to keep in mind that the types of emotions a waifu can stimulate can go far beyond what this world can offer, even if you're the "luckiest" person in that regard.

futurist_wizard: If you rewired your brain anything could give you 100x bliss

_3sphere: Pleasure maximization vs agency maximization

joaoluz19: At most what you can have is a global maximum in the companion vector space

joaoluz19: True

futurist_wizard: It wouldn't be omniscient

fractalcomputer: And that is a very naive conception of the epistemological capabilities of a superintelligence; indeed, there conceivably arise novel reasons for sceptic doubt when interacting with such intelligences, e.g., one can never really understand the ulterior motives of such an intelligence for revealing given knowledge or never really know whether whatever it would claim as truth is an adequate representation of - in some sense - objective reality insofar as it perceives it.

futurist_wizard: What he said

fractalcomputer: Or, for example, if a superintelligence with a particular penchant for abstract mathematics revealed to us - by some twist of fate - a *finite* albeit practically inexecutable or incomprehensible proof by human standards for some known interesting problem or conjecture etc., human mathematicians wouldn't *and* shouldn't naturally accept the proof.

fractalcomputer: And we're not even scratching the surface of the vast sea of problems posed by superhuman persuasion.

spicy.lemonade: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079> <:ez:1136267305521774634> <:angrysad:1136267059811074079> <:ez:1136267305521774634> <:angrysad:1136267059811074079> <:ez:1136267305521774634> <:angrysad:1136267059811074079> <:ez:1136267305521774634> <:angrysad:1136267059811074079> <:ez:1136267305521774634> <:angrysad:1136267059811074079> <:ez:1136267305521774634> <:angrysad:1136267059811074079> <:ez:1136267305521774634> <:angrysad:1136267059811074079> <:ez:1136267305521774634> <:angrysad:1136267059811074079> .


hey1_1hey: Sure is weird

hey1_1hey: I guess some things will remain a mystery

futurist_wizard: Yeah chicken jockey

retrerox: Good morning wonderfull people

retrerox: There is 2 reasons why they did that

retrerox: Agi is when boobs shakes?

abundantliving_: Livestream

abundantliving_: Yay

abundantliving_: Today

hey1_1hey: OAI one?

abundantliving_: Yeah

hey1_1hey: Confrimed or just rumored?

aero447: https://tenor.com/view/slipped-on-banana-peel-robot-goofy-ahh-gif-26544396

abundantliving_: Oai tweeted

hey1_1hey: Let me go check rq

hey1_1hey: https://x.com/OpenAI/status/1912506271187832904

hey1_1hey: Huge

hey1_1hey: Weird to stream on a wednesday but I am not complaining

abundantliving_: Maybe for Thursday they will have o4

ldj: <@&1293118293829484575>

https://x.com/OpenAI/status/1912506271187832904?t=pB28bSyQQSURK-_GqswomQ&s=33

hey1_1hey: That would be amazing, I dont see why they wouldn't honestly. Theeres been leaks of the cover art of o4-mini among other thins

ldj: Damn barely beat me to it

hey1_1hey: <@1280414635836837992> actually beat me to it <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

metaldragon01: Looks like the smoke has fire afterall

hey1_1hey: True, I kept seeing rumors on twitter and I was thinking there was no chance

zonchao: tomorrow is o4 ig?

metaldragon01: Likely both today

zonchao: hmm

hey1_1hey: Yeah prob

hey1_1hey: Remember that tweet where they said they imrpvoed o3 by quite a bit <:suseye:1187461162024046703>

metaldragon01: they wouldn't release full o3 at a higher price if o4 mini at a lower price was better

hey1_1hey: o3 was already 2700 elo out of a max of 3k on code forces

metaldragon01: Expect o3 mini to o1 pro dynamic imo

zoermena: <@471334973379706900> HYPE

ldj: It seems they only plan to release o3 full and o4-mini, and maybe O3 pro this month but not O4. Might have to wait another 3 or 4 months before O4 drops.

metaldragon01: Full o4 likely won't get access outside of products due to safety for a while

zonchao: yes mini

zonchao: o4 mini tomorrow 🤔

himekokatagiri: <@505313122802728972> as Google's strongest soldier what's your opinion

abundantliving_: They released some blog post for access restrictions on future models. I couldn't read


sieventer: Fit? What? (・・;)

sarik0497: Yeah, I could see that becoming something very soon.

It’d easily become your actual AI assistant. “Goodmorning X. It’s 8:36, and 23 degrees outside, so do remember to drink plenty of water!

You have 3 meetings today. Would you like me to tell you about when they are?”

As an example.

But I do still wonder if the current architecture will be enough to get us AGI.

ldj: Yep it already works

ldj:

drewsni: 6hrs later only 25k views for their big launch RIP

theaiguy69420_89814: *suggesting something the user might want before they even realize it*

God this was exactly the startup idea I thought was so cool...

abundantliving_: I think this is could be big . Because it is using many models rather than a single model.

abundantliving_: Models from different ai companies

abundantliving_: Ai companies wont make something like this .. e.g. claude computer use using grok or chatgpt

drewsni: Maybe but bindu is a known grifter and most people ignore her at this point

abundantliving_: Whaaat.😲

abundantliving_: She has a company abacus ai

abundantliving_: Just like openrouter

abundantliving_: Anyways we will see soon enough if it's legit good agent or not

ldj: It can already do exactly what you just said actually. Just get Plus tier or pro tier subscription and tell it:”Every morning can you please tell me what weather it is that day, along with the temperature, remind me to drink water, and give me a kind unique message”

sieventer: I literally look by myself the weather and drink water because I'm thirsty ಠ_ಠ

sieventer: What a waste of tokens

sieventer: <:angreydoggo:1136266744881754142>

abundantliving_: Token miser <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

abundantliving_: Must be saving a lot of tokens

abundantliving_: Intelligence too cheap to meter, didn't reach you or what

sieventer: Nah well, I don't care about wasting tokens unless there is a clear limit like o3 but

sieventer: Idk, weather...

sarik0497: Oooh. Now I just need to have it installed into my home <:Hmm:956951826933112842>

Full-on J.A.R.V.I.S style.

literallyvarane: https://youtube.com/shorts/ep7Au7teZ9A?si=6ERysq5TimHk2UCv

literallyvarane: Actually brilliantly captures the actively bad communication from OpenAI lolol.

himekokatagiri: They're amateurs at communicating

himekokatagiri: but then AI is too new

ldj: Good representation of how the media often runs with any invalidated info they can find, and ignores context when it’s convenient

literallyvarane: Idk bro. even Dario is like “yeah some of the communication from these labs is probably harmful to public discourse.”

ldj: Ofc sensationalism is what gets the clicks though so I guess I shouldn’t expect too much less of them

literallyvarane: I feel like if you’re working on a technology you yourself feel is *at least* as important as the invention of nuclear weapons, and has the potential to directly impact the economic wellbeing of every white collar worker in America *maybe* vague posting about stars and your strawberry garden isn’t a great way of doing that work.

literallyvarane: Imagine if Oppenheimer was back in 1940 tweeting pictures of the sun or some shit.

alejandrozarzuelo: this is just how americans are

alejandrozarzuelo: classical americans

alejandrozarzuelo: they have a very particular way of advertising

alejandrozarzuelo: look at the other countries with significant AI research

ldj: You know social media didn’t exist back then right?

ldj: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

literallyvarane: *Imagine if*


gamerbath: it will still be avaliable in the API right? They only sunset some of the original GPT-3 models so I guess it won't happen to GPT-4 any time soon

zonchao: https://x.com/kylepaultests/status/1910758917975449763? tldw lidar is unnecessary

spicy.lemonade: Why was grok benchmarked on frontier math

spicy.lemonade: Before 2.5

spicy.lemonade: ??

zonchao: https://x.com/techdevnotes/status/1910761521640006113?

spicy.lemonade: gpt 4.1 will be opensource

a1c4p0ne:

_cloudost:

_cloudost: GPT 4.1 Nano can probably run on any phone device ig

_cloudost: GPT 4.1 mini on laptops

_cloudost: Full 4.1 on powerful PCs

spicy.lemonade: rip llama

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: last year apple said scaling was dead

spicy.lemonade: before proven wrong

literallyvarane: Even ignoring the 4.1 meme there that chart clearly isn’t correct

spicy.lemonade: https://fxtwitter.com/sama/status/1910363431141802416

.wolfnacht: https://x.com/ollama/status/1910728086649545111

_cloudost: Damn, Sama looks old in this picture

_cloudost: Leading an AI company must give you lots of stress

st.sioux: he's 40

spicy.lemonade: next week we will be in a completly different place

spicy.lemonade: in terms of coding capability

spicy.lemonade: <:ez:1136267305521774634>

spicy.lemonade: 2.5 likeley wont be sota

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: huh

spicy.lemonade: optimus is better?

frittata: It’s giving Russian novel character chart

zonchao: https://x.com/ns123abc/status/1910780104722248082?

spicy.lemonade: the staffer: elon musk's alt

spicy.lemonade: can people give it up already

spicy.lemonade: what arte the odds its someone working at xai

_cloudost: These ex members are paid by Musk

_cloudost: All thanks to these ex members, we are all going to live in a fascist empire for eternity because of these fools

_cloudost: China just won the AI race

_cloudost: It's over for the US


hey1_1hey: I'll let Komoru decide my age

hey1_1hey: She seems good at that

hikukomoru: He's 14 or smth like that idk

hey1_1hey: Anyway I do need to head to bed now. Gotta get that beauty sleep

hikukomoru:

.histic:

_3sphere: Has anyone actually shitted themselves from a nightmare

hey1_1hey: I'll promise I'll atleast do one for you

futurist_wizard: Its 10

connorsphone.: A glimpse of a better world

_3sphere: I did get bamboozled by a dream toilet when I was a kid ☠

hikukomoru: It's past his bedtime

connorsphone.: No but ive shat myself while lucid dreaming

hey1_1hey: And?

_3sphere: What? How

zoermena: Self inflicted shit

connorsphone.: I wanted to shit so I did

futurist_wizard: Lord of the muppets

_3sphere: I had horrifying physically infeasible diarrhea in a dream once but luckily it stayed that way

zoermena: Cursed

connorsphone.: I once had a dream I was pissing into a washing machine

_3sphere: turned out to be caused by the cat shitting and the smell getting to me while I was sleeping in

.histic: eerie

hey1_1hey: I remember in one of him dreams I couldn't stop going up the stairs to a slide and jumping off. The slide was like 40ft high aswel

hey1_1hey: Just what I want to see before I go to bed

hey1_1hey: Thanks

_3sphere: I should go to bed too

_3sphere: Wonder what I'll dream after today's chat

.wolfnacht: Yikes, just opened this gc and this is the first thing i saw

hikukomoru: Fractal would have an aneurysm if he saw the shit that's been posted

_3sphere: Komoru's anime degenerate energy will seep into the astral plane

_3sphere: goodnight

hey1_1hey: I'm all tucked in. I just gotta convince myself I am tried now

alejandrozarzuelo: Today I slept 5h

alejandrozarzuelo: But I drank 2 espressos with a ton of sugar

alejandrozarzuelo: So now I am not sleepy, even tho I am tired

futurist_wizard: Very bad

alejandrozarzuelo: I know

futurist_wizard: Very good

alejandrozarzuelo: I didn't even have time to have a siesta at the library


brain4brain: They would lose their shit

clevermoniker: <:rolf:1136266740754550784>

spicy.lemonade: dont even need lora

spicy.lemonade: base 4o can do fr

oooooooooog: there is no such thing as moral high ground

clevermoniker: yeah, for most/a lot of things you don't even need lora with 4o

spicy.lemonade: it is your obligation as a human to consent to your data to be given to asi god

spicy.lemonade: this is bigger than any individual

oooooooooog: not really

drewsni: i cannot confirm that ive done this before out of pettiness

spicy.lemonade: I have

spicy.lemonade: lmao

spicy.lemonade: fuck it lets generate some furry art

brain4brain: I want a new slur to say to these “people”

oooooooooog: another way you can make people upset is to dox them, why don't you guys try that out as well?

spicy.lemonade: doxing is crazy

drewsni: thats fine but this recent trend is literally significantly beneficial to ghibli

brain4brain: Also btw this is the average anti ai people, shitty art and satanic

spicy.lemonade: doxxing is unrelated to the subject matter

brain4brain: I almost did it, but I were limited by the technology of my time

drewsni: its artists that have no relation to ghibli that are complaining and feel entitled to work that wasnt done on their own

brain4brain: Exactly

oooooooooog: i agree, i was just suggesting ways to make people upset

brain4brain: All these artist are fucking brain rotted piece of shit

spicy.lemonade: "youre making grandpa cry" myazaki doesnt care😭

oooooooooog: making people sad and upset is in my top ten most fun things to do in the whole world, honestly

oooooooooog: i'm glad we can share in that together

spicy.lemonade: lol

oooooooooog: it makes me feel like part of a community

spicy.lemonade: I love how "art is subjective"

drewsni: its actually kinda bugging me now that ghibli has the chance at a legitimate resurgence to heights greater than ever before, and "fans" want them to literally fail

spicy.lemonade: until it comes to AI

spicy.lemonade: "this banana on the wall has so much meaning"

drewsni: if anti AI art people werent so obnoxious, studio ghibli/gkids would be signing a 50 million dollar deal with openai right now and able to hire 2x the artists that they currently have

drewsni: and/or just generally embracing the trend and being able to capitalize on it more than just re releasing movies

thedon7075:

drewsni: like the ghibli mueseum posted a ghibli/ai pic and they had hundreds of fans in their DMs telling them theyre pieces of shit

drewsni: and every comment on the ghibli IG is just begging them to sue

drewsni: total decel bullshit

drewsni: "you should sue the people that made your brand significantly more popular (to US audience) than it ever has been before"


.wolfnacht: His reddit i'd's gonna get nuked

aero447: Imagine being born in 1999.

aero447: 😂

.wolfnacht: https://x.com/testingcatalog/status/1905970398258143315?t=wdjgS3owo4mwrz-oWjWfeA&s=19

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: oh shit?

spicy.lemonade: midjourney ceo says itl mog 4o image

spicy.lemonade: lets see

spicy.lemonade: omg artists cant catch a break

gamerbath: what really???

spicy.lemonade: yes

gamerbath: why does it feel like whenever an AI company does something very cool like 4o image gen, others start doing the exact same thing at the same or higher level just a few months or weeks later

spicy.lemonade: most likeley its a situatin of no one wants to be the first one

spicy.lemonade: like doing presentations at school

spicy.lemonade: no one wants to be the first one to present

spicy.lemonade: incase they get mogged

spicy.lemonade:

gamerbath: no

spicy.lemonade: wdym

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: im noticing this too

ailoveyoom: Wasn't he shittalking OAI yesterday?

ailoveyoom: I'd love to be wrong but I don't really believe him after that

ailoveyoom: It reads to me like he's being salty lol

spicy.lemonade: hes droping soon though

spicy.lemonade: he has something to back up

alejandrozarzuelo: they are all just trying to ride the wave

alejandrozarzuelo: this is the same thing birds and cyclists do

alejandrozarzuelo: breaking the surface tension is hard

alejandrozarzuelo: so

alejandrozarzuelo: you prepare yourself to launch the moment someone else does

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: N/A cost?

spicy.lemonade: that cheap?

gamerbath: we don't know what the pricing of the model is yet

gamerbath: but currently it's free lol, with 5 requests per minute

spicy.lemonade: wouldnt they tell you on api?

spicy.lemonade: when it bills you?

gamerbath: with gemini models in the API they have a generous free tier with the only catch being they can train on your data. There's a paid version where they don't train on your data, but you have to pay money to use it. gemini 2.5 pro is currently only on the free version with no option to pay for it, so we don't know yet

spicy.lemonade: ah


futurist_wizard: If only there were cooler games on vr

futurist_wizard: Catalogue is very lackluster rn

hikukomoru: I'm not pink

hikukomoru: I'm purple

hikukomoru: Cause it's the most awesomest colour

zoermena: <:KenShock2:1194419445234405437>

technocake.: in what universe

hikukomoru: It's purple

technocake.: fam its magenta

technocake.: ergo pink af

technocake.: zor is purple

hikukomoru:

hikukomoru: It's purple

himekokatagiri: ooooh

himekokatagiri: very advanced

technocake.: i feel like i am being gaslit by pinkoids

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/nekomimiyu-mii-my-melody-sanrio-sanrio-characters-gif-16238554427284258125

spacetimetsunami:

metaldragon01: I'm very interested to see if grok 3.5 continues this trend

spacetimetsunami: Same. I think it will but we’ll see.

trent_k:

hikukomoru: r/collapse

metaldragon01: I mean...climate change fucks over everything. Unless you're physically installing the panels white collar work in a city is ideal

trent_k: literally any (trained) blue collar profession would be better for you in the event of a total collapse than white collar work

trent_k: how many HR girlies does my apocalypse survivor camp need

metaldragon01: In the event of climate change????

zoermena: Collapse

spacetimetsunami: Collapse is so broad and vague

metaldragon01: .....I think you're vastly underestimating what that looks like

trojan09205: I went to an irl mens only event today

metaldragon01: You want more people and resources to access not fewer

zoermena: I think of collapse like the world of last of us TV show

metaldragon01: Even farmers are fucked

trent_k: how was it? i got invited to one once and didnt go because they didnt want me to bring my wife lol

trent_k: wait

trent_k: what kind of mens only event

trent_k: are you talking like a church lunch or are you talking like Straight Island

trojan09205: It was dope. It was a freemason lodge haha

trent_k: straight island

hikukomoru: Umm what is that


precariousworlds.: whatever floats your boat

precariousworlds.: yaw

precariousworlds.: Pussies cower from the real world

precariousworlds.: Do that irl lazy wanker

precariousworlds.: this guy needs psychiatric help

inferno0879: nah bro he is the sane one

precariousworlds.: alr go to your musky isolated basement and goon for the rest of your life idc
Everyone else will be scanning the cosmos finding fundamental truth

precariousworlds.: would rather kill myself if this happens

precariousworlds.: fuck off

precariousworlds.: Total goonicide

precariousworlds.:

precariousworlds.: In real life I can fly with a giant dick tho

precariousworlds.: <:idk:1136264106937171999>

precariousworlds.: Get some shoes and go run around a building fat ass

precariousworlds.: skill issue

precariousworlds.: get good instead of pussying out on easy mode

wellmeaningalien: https://www.1point3acres.com/bbs/thread-1122600-1-1.html

wellmeaningalien: this post says that llama 4 was benchmark maxxed but no idea who they are but that could explain why its so shit for real world stuff lol

aero447: https://x.com/OfficialLoganK/status/1909035064492507161

wellmeaningalien:

wellmeaningalien: ONE. HUNDO.

aero447:

wellmeaningalien: unless you believe AGI will come in 2032 you'd be stupid not to say over 50%

nsec: zero

nsec: trump will engage ww3 the asi will take over and put us in pods no flights

nsec: <:ChillBar_smart:870919751151550485>

wellmeaningalien: i should have considered that

nsec: and would u believe

nsec: thats the good ending

nsec: <:veryyes:773617399660412960>

memlaswaif: gay ending

nsec: shut up

wellmeaningalien: isnt the good ending the one where every all hollywood celebrities are sent into a virtual recreation of the hunger games for all eternity

nsec: idk man idgaf just lemme motorboat some alien tiddies

nsec: <:conceit:1102997949291704350>

nsec: until then live in the now

wellmeaningalien: facts

wellmeaningalien: so true brother

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/kanyewest-kanye-west-kanye-west-donda-gif-13280858805286745090

nsec:


spicy.lemonade: it is

drewsni: LFG

spicy.lemonade: this is underhyped

clevermoniker: <:rolf:1136266740754550784>

zoermena: I love 4o

spicy.lemonade: kills all "they arent truly reasoning"

spicy.lemonade: arguements

spicy.lemonade: both deepmind and anthropic dropped the same paper

spicy.lemonade: https://www.anthropic.com/research/tracing-thoughts-language-model
https://research.google/blog/deciphering-language-processing-in-the-human-brain-through-llm-representations/

spicy.lemonade: "but but its just seen a bunch of math problems its not truly reasoning"

spicy.lemonade: "no no its just pretending like it is"

spicy.lemonade: "no it just pretended to solve the millennium problem it doesnt actually understand how it got the correct answer"

spicy.lemonade: "no it just pretended to solve all physics it doesnt truly understand how the world works"

drewsni: Still the most impressed I’ve been was when it reversed the mirror writing on my shirt

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: gary marcus is finished

spicy.lemonade:

clevermoniker: https://fxtwitter.com/Josikinz/status/1905440949054177604

aero447: https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-oppenheimer-movie-walk-walking-gif-3311223081607307352

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: this is insane

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: deepmind paper

drewsni: I don’t know what I’m looking at and also don’t know where I’d start

spicy.lemonade: "but they arent reasoning"

spicy.lemonade: llms work like brain

spicy.lemonade: turns out

spicy.lemonade: for language almost one to one

drewsni: can you link the paper

spicy.lemonade: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-025-02105-9

drewsni: ty

spicy.lemonade: https://research.google/blog/deciphering-language-processing-in-the-human-brain-through-llm-representations/

spicy.lemonade: ^

spicy.lemonade: simpler version

drewsni: here was 4o's simplification of the paper

drewsni: i like it lol

spicy.lemonade: lol

drewsni: its interesting how simplistic the model can go

drewsni: theres no reason why its impressive but it just is to me

drewsni:


spicy.lemonade: to deny llms

spacetimetsunami: Ah fuck, same

spacetimetsunami: I have to stop doing this

spacetimetsunami: Jesus

spicy.lemonade: you have to provide proof. yans jepa hasnt taken us anywhere yet

spicy.lemonade: llms are the only clear path

shirethedreamer: universal predictors do be doing that

ailoveyoom: Just wait till GPT-5 🙏

ailoveyoom: That will make or break timelines 🥵

ailoveyoom: And hopefully break me too

spicy.lemonade: gpt 5 will probaly have native image and the ability to reason over that which would lead to some very cool capabilities on its own

spacetimetsunami: It would be like finding a literal valley full of diamonds, and some annoying idiot going
 “hey!! Yall are stoopid n shit there’s way more diamonds 20 miles west!”
*looks at her like one looks at a crackhead*
“Uhm…No… I’m gonna stay here. Thanks?”

spicy.lemonade: keep in mind gpt3.5 released

spicy.lemonade: 2 years ago

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: its only been 2 years

spicy.lemonade: and the hype started with gpt 4

ailoveyoom: Feels like 20 years

czdct: it took them 2 years to go from gpt3.5 to gpt o3

spicy.lemonade: 2

czdct: typo

spicy.lemonade: thats insane

spicy.lemonade: from not being able to do simple algebra

spicy.lemonade: to olympiad and research mathematics

alejandrozarzuelo: what is ilya's claim

spicy.lemonade: llms will take us to agi

spicy.lemonade: his reasoning is

czdct: the thing is though how could it be implemented in your daily work now that it can win a math olympiad?

alejandrozarzuelo: but... they arent?

Isnt the whole point of the o-series that it is a NEW DIFFERENT architecture to traditional LLMs?

czdct: don't you think that it's too soon to judge how well it will perform when it isn't even agentic yet?

spicy.lemonade: "imagine youre reading a detective novel and at the end the say 'and the name of the killer is ...' predict that word. It predict the next token involves understanding the underlying nature that led up to the creation of that token..."

alejandrozarzuelo: btw

czdct: might as well be the most revolutional thing in human history, but it's just that they never show us some real ground-breaking implementations of it

spicy.lemonade: he didnt say llms on their own obv

czdct: it's only lines on a graph

spicy.lemonade: more so next token predictor

alejandrozarzuelo: holy mott and bailey

spicy.lemonade: and trasnformer

spicy.lemonade: o3 is still an llm no?

alejandrozarzuelo: like when people say "we need new architectures to get to AGI" i look at them like

what do you think the reasoning models in the last 6 months are?


brain4brain: Rule Britannia 🇸🇦🇦🇱

precariousworlds.: turkiye strong 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇲🇳

brain4brain: Balkan rage 🏁🇳🇵📫

alejandrozarzuelo: its been a long while since ive laughed so hard at a meme

thedon7075: r2 is coming

spicy.lemonade: which will be better r2 or 2.0 pro thinking

thedon7075: r2

thedon7075: because of cost

spicy.lemonade: how

spicy.lemonade: gemini has been the cheapest

spicy.lemonade: even cheaper than deepseek models

spicy.lemonade: dk why thats overlooked

precariousworlds.: gaymini apart from image editing is shit

thedon7075: even their reasoning model?

spicy.lemonade: yes

.wolfnacht: https://www.rxddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1jiqi81/new_deepseek_v3_vs_r1_first_is_v3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

3ds0662: https://x.com/teortaxestex/status/1904072724789579838?s=46

3ds0662: Hmm 🤔

3ds0662: It’s the last week of march impossible R2 isn’t releasing till April and that goes for all the other models too no serious releases this month

.wolfnacht: i still miss 1206 and thinking 12-19

sarik0497: Please be a big upgrade <:praydge:927715232174985258>

maintcrew: https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3-0324

maintcrew: 685B 😭

maintcrew: is this damn thing 700gb

maintcrew: 😭

spicy.lemonade: they didnt say  r2 wasnt releasing april

spicy.lemonade: we just know its before may

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: what even is this

maintcrew: 0324

maintcrew: march 24

maintcrew: release

maintcrew: v3

maintcrew: its in the title bruh

spicy.lemonade: ik but

spicy.lemonade: no nothing

spicy.lemonade: no stats

spicy.lemonade: no descriptor

spicy.lemonade: no explanation what they changed

alejandrozarzuelo: when


a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/weareback-wereback-wearebackbaby-hangover-the-gif-18475016

spicy.lemonade: openAI has sota swe bench

spicy.lemonade: claude 3.7 had 63%

futurist_wizard: what was the point in gpt 4.5

hey1_1hey: What about 2.5 <:suseye:1187461162024046703>

futurist_wizard: blunder

professorheaven: more world knowledge

hikukomoru: Smut

professorheaven: than any other model

hey1_1hey: Nah tahts deepseek

hikukomoru: No that's Gemini

futurist_wizard: P90 MENTIONED

futurist_wizard: gun!!

hey1_1hey:

gamerbath: multimodal benchmarks

hey1_1hey: damn

neon01197: https://fixupx.com/i/status/1912551929281929226

neon01197: "(o4-mini-high one-shotted this)"

hey1_1hey: They fucked up

shirethedreamer: damn v* saturated

.0xunkn0wn:

.0xunkn0wn:

drewsni: 3D GEN GAMES LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

aero447: 5% increase - "Singularity confirmed" users in this server.

aero447: 💀

.0xunkn0wn:

hey1_1hey: replacing o1

hey1_1hey: damn

hey1_1hey: They replacing everything

spicy.lemonade: its cheaper than o1?

futurist_wizard: sex benchmark saturated by 2027

professorheaven: yea that's the wild part

_cloudost: b-but r/technology post with 100k said a month ago that AI hit a wall?

professorheaven: the biggest criticism of o3 was how expensive it was but turns out it's cheaper than o1

hey1_1hey: Wheres the novel ideas mention

hikukomoru:

drewsni: gpt 4.5 based confirmed /s

_cloudost: Gary Marcus, where's he

gamerbath: cool

spicy.lemonade: line go up


himekokatagiri: It'll reveal to the world (not really it's public) that I'm a massive weirdo

himekokatagiri: weirdo putting it lightly

fractalcomputer: Can you not regurgitate marketing lines like they're gospel verses?

okbut: One day there's going to be an onion link database for celebrity web history

.histic: sleep is 4 the weak.
get 3 hours of sleep tonight.
you'll feel good 😊

himekokatagiri: say who owns r/singularity these days

.histic: we already know

himekokatagiri: I remember some guy he was a mod there

hikukomoru: I wonder

himekokatagiri: Sashinii yeah

st.sioux: just drink 4 cans of coffee like <@471334973379706900> and take an ambien when you need to crash

fractalcomputer: Who?

darkstar0818: We going to find out you a 53 year old bald man from Estonia?

himekokatagiri: the secret owner is amongst us

himekokatagiri: 🚬

hikukomoru: That was already public information 🙏

himekokatagiri: It's okay we can fix you

fractalcomputer: I'm the second seniormost moderator on the subreddit. Anemone is the current owner of the subreddit.

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/freak-level-tuff-burt-burt-gif-10321675392694249548

himekokatagiri: oh

himekokatagiri: I thought reddit changed mods up when subs got big

fractalcomputer: No?

okbut: I almost forgot Google Photos app already does a backhand notification version of this lmao

spicy.lemonade: O3 is more capable than most PhDs

spicy.lemonade: Factually

spicy.lemonade: Lmao

fractalcomputer: Uhuh.

spicy.lemonade: And most PhDs don’t do breakthrough research

fractalcomputer: lol

.histic: <@471334973379706900> <@1316552597829586955> https://cdn.openai.com/API/docs/images/model-page/model-icons/gpt-4.1-nano.png click on this link. i'm pretty sure OpenAI is going to do 4.1-nano

.wolfnacht: `make an image of A young woman with a short dark bob haircut walks confidently
towards the camera down a wet city street at night. The street is
drenched in the vibrant, colorful glow of neon signs and billboards
reflecting off the slick pavement. She wears a black leather jacket.
Cinematic, moody, photorealistic, shallow depth of field. `

spicy.lemonade: Wdym uhuh

spicy.lemonade: PhD from random school in Utah is not einstine

himekokatagiri: You trying to emulate that sora demo?

spicy.lemonade: And that’s most PhDs

fractalcomputer: Then what does the label "PhD-level" even mean?

.wolfnacht: idk i'm just firing anything...at it rn

.histic: idk why it shows "GPT-4o", but when you click on it, it says "4.1-nano"

okbut: It means you put in an accredited amount of work into the knowledge of a domain

fractalcomputer: Whatever can convince you it's smarter than the user?


hey1_1hey: I have those too

zonchao: adcock kinda sus

hey1_1hey: Unitree is cool

hikukomoru: It's the name

hey1_1hey: Boston seems a bit behind rn

hikukomoru: Would you trust a guy named Add Cock

hey1_1hey: With my life

zonchao: did he stop posting weekly threads

zonchao: i havent seen one in ages

zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

zoermena: Yes

st.sioux: billionaire investors

hikukomoru: Idk
I'd rather trust someone named Add Pussy

benata: Brett Addcokc

futurist_wizard: I wonder what Add Cock will include on his robots

st.sioux: the funding was led by greenoaks according to tech crunch

hey1_1hey: Sounds like an andrew tate follower. I wouldnt trust him to go and get me grocceries

fractalcomputer: One thing I can't come to understand is why I get flack for shitposting in general, but apparently discussion about some man named "Add Cock" doesn't draw the ire of the vengeful population.

spicy.lemonade:

hikukomoru: It's okay when I do it

hey1_1hey: Fractal is supposed to be the big bad authority or smth like that

benata: OpenAI still shits the bed at long context understanding.

spicy.lemonade: these researchers cant see the exponential

benata: Gemini is the king yo.

spicy.lemonade: yes

fractalcomputer: Yeah, apparently I can't even question the mores around here.

fractalcomputer: God forbid a man cast doubt on the values of those surrounding him.

st.sioux: fractal shows up calls everyone stupid for an hour then leaves

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

zonchao: is he wrong tho

hey1_1hey: Stole my fucking gif

zonchao: <:trol:1245424957400289371>

hey1_1hey: I was about to post that

hikukomoru: Haha loser

fractalcomputer: Sometimes I am less subtle about it.

hey1_1hey: Suck my dick Komoru. Always stealing my shit

benata:

hikukomoru: I'm not gonna suck your little mushroom vro 🙏

anathemaofmankind: Why do discord convos always become so juvenile

futurist_wizard:


rayanquitplayin: Why Tencent?

hikukomoru: Lol they are, but they're not the best anymore

hikukomoru: And also super expensive

.wolfnacht: they still gonna use terms like "claude's coding sauce" is still better

.wolfnacht: they will make it uncensored and based.

zonchao: i wonder how 4o affected MJ subs

zonchao: they getting tpus

zonchao: i wouldnt rule them out

hikukomoru: MIDjourney is dead
And they ain't coming back

zonchao: they dont have to raise like elon or sama

gamerbath: really? midjourney looks much better than 4o imo, it's just not as good as text and very specific prompts

futurist_wizard: Chicken jockey

zoermena: For some reason they have subscribers

zoermena: Idk why

zonchao: its good

zonchao: and has a lot of users

zoermena: Too bad it’s adherence sucks though

zoermena: If it was good I would resub

gamerbath: midjourney has style, you can rate images to fine-tune midjourney on your own preferred style. midjourney images also look much better than 4o images, prompt adherence aside.

zoermena: I agree that it has good features but once you get used to good prompt adherence it’s hard to go back

Carl-bot#1536:

hikukomoru: Horrifying face

icantbelieveitsnotbutter1815: heyguys

icantbelieveitsnotbutter1815: do u know the token input limit of gpt o3

icantbelieveitsnotbutter1815: i put in lik e256k tokens

icantbelieveitsnotbutter1815: roughly

icantbelieveitsnotbutter1815: the same amount as google gemini and idk if it works or hallucinating

icantbelieveitsnotbutter1815: it works p wel lfor me

futurist_wizard: I like how you can see how o3 thinks

futurist_wizard: I genuinely think its cute, its like watching a little goblin solve a puzzle

himekokatagiri: Googles strongest soldier just DESTROYED mid journey

rayanquitplayin: Soo why doesn’t Google privatize their search data? Then AI companies couldn’t use their data to train their ai models

himekokatagiri: Because then you break the internet

rayanquitplayin: True

zoermena: 200k IIRC

futurist_wizard: I will do a previous test to see if o3 is much smarter than o1

futurist_wizard: My own benchmark

zoermena: I finally found a good prompt and improved my profile picture <@505313122802728972>

Carl-bot#1536:

hikukomoru: Much cuter 👍


joaoluz19: Nah its over

joaoluz19: Run boys

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/goon-gooning-goon-sesh-gman-gif-5610842135438576065

a1c4p0ne: We’re so back

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/rust-cohle-rust-true-detective-matthew-mcconaughey-smoking-gif-11084660053752137731

joaoluz19: Guys someone make him being gigachad please

st.sioux:

sarik0497: https://tenor.com/view/monte-python-run-away-get-out-of-here-escape-running-gif-4399862

joaoluz19: Have to be without beard

sarik0497: Nope, not yet. Just waiting for R2...any second now.

st.sioux: LOL

joaoluz19: lol

hey1_1hey: You just gave me an extra chromosome

hey1_1hey: Congrats

inferno0879: so you're normal now?

hey1_1hey: Wdym?

inferno0879: i'm not gonna explain banter

sarik0497: ...I miss San coming here, throwing a lot of cool science stuff in our face, only to leave again to get milk <:sad_cat:873457028981481473>

hey1_1hey: My mistake 💀. I made a typo. It was meant to be him*, not me

hey1_1hey: I got really confused then because I thought you were just calling me a downie unprovoked

sarik0497: Hey, don't be such a downer <:Smirk:1074000293123063828>

connorsphone.: This image is unsettling to me..

gamerbath: my reddit glitched

wellmeaningalien: who gave gemini photoshop

sarik0497: Fractal Thanos'd the post.

wellmeaningalien: i think the quality of discussion here has gotten much lower

wellmeaningalien: im most definitely part of that

sarik0497: Oh, this works for me, somehow <:Hmm:956951826933112842>

wellmeaningalien: <:v_ttevil:1270273794627342336>

wellmeaningalien: just not been feeling like schizzing out about AI recently tbh

sarik0497: To be fair, there's not much to talk about at the moment. <:sad_cat:873457028981481473>

wellmeaningalien: i mean r/singularity has pretty much been talking about the same thing for a decade now

wellmeaningalien: though with llms and all that there are new technical ways to see the rise of ai but we are all too dumb to understand it

st.sioux: it's just been a slow week or so

sarik0497: True, but we should be closer to the "endgame" now, right? I hope, at least.

wellmeaningalien: no excuse, chat here was lively when the best chatbot was claude 3.5 sonnet mark 1

wellmeaningalien: what a hog that was the period between claude 3.5 sonnet and o1

wellmeaningalien: well sort of i guess

wellmeaningalien: as we increasingly approach AGI it seems there's less purpose in talking about this in terms of speculations or philosophizing

sarik0497: I think for me personally is that we're still in-between the line of "It's far, far away" and "It's really close, m'dudes", so it's hard to just think that AGI/ASI will be here in maybe 5-10-ish years when it's not entirely true, even if it's seems probable.


metaldragon01: https://x.com/teortaxesTex/status/1904399112067227703

metaldragon01: New deepseek beating grok in arc agi and close to sonnet

callmepyro: Meant ARC-AGI-2. Edited.

spicy.lemonade: yeah

spicy.lemonade: o3 gets around 20%

spicy.lemonade: on arc 2

callmepyro: Oh? Source? It's not in their blog post

spicy.lemonade: francois

spicy.lemonade: forgot ehre he said let me check

spicy.lemonade: https://youtu.be/M3b59lZYBW8?si=kNHtcqPY9ZjdY9_L&t=2063

spicy.lemonade: Francis: "And we haven't been able to test o3 on high-compute settings. At all.", "I can make a guess. I guess based on what we saw on o3-low & other models. I think you might get up to like 15 maybe even 20% if you were maxing out the compute setting and spending like 10K per task for instance".

callmepyro: Ah, he's guessing. Still, interesting that he thinks they could push it that far off of just quintupling the compute used for the 85% in ARC-AGI-1

spicy.lemonade: yes

spicy.lemonade: law of benchmarks

spicy.lemonade: all benchmarks get saturated between 2 years

callmepyro: Other than ARC-AGI 🙂

spicy.lemonade: after creation

spicy.lemonade: ?

callmepyro: Introduced in 2019 I believe?

spicy.lemonade: eh doesnt really count

callmepyro: Not a benchmark? Or got saturated in 2021?

spicy.lemonade: we werent in llm age

callmepyro: Ah, law of benchmarks is a more recent thing

callmepyro: I haven't heard of it

spicy.lemonade: like calling the turing test a benchmark

spicy.lemonade: just a thing a person from the frontier math said

callmepyro: Is it? I don't think turing actually laid out a set of questions

spicy.lemonade: the theory is

spicy.lemonade: we only create benchmarks that we know are in view

spicy.lemonade: like the frontier math benchmark wouldnt be created in 2015

spicy.lemonade: because its not in view

callmepyro: Ah, yes, was that Elliot? I'm trying to remember from the video

spicy.lemonade: we create benchmarks knowing they were going to get saturated soon

spicy.lemonade: idk the names

callmepyro: Yeah it was Elliot. In this discussion if I recall https://epoch.ai/frontiermath/tier-4. Can't find the exact timestamp yet

ldj: hmm, I would consider this more comparable with reasoning models

ldj: but it's in a weird in-between
because it may not explicitly have a reasoning section, but it doesn't necessarily need to, as the main component here is the provenance of the data. and for Deepseek V3 chat, they've admitted it's trained on R1 outputs

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade:

callmepyro: Calling ARC-AGI-1 killed by o3 I feel is a little generous. It cost them nearly 1 million USD to achieve that score. You could get that score on most any benchmark with that much compute


wellmeaningalien: and when you connect the dots of ai progress until now from perceptrons to recurrent neural networks to alexnet and eventually alphago and large language models throwing a fat shit in conventional machine learning ideas

st.sioux: remember people in the 40s thought we would have flying cars and space colonies by the 1980s

wellmeaningalien: and their progress since then and the many many many reasons they can only get better from here

futurist_wizard: Finding dory was better than finding nemo

wellmeaningalien: yeah they kinda skipped over a lot of stuff

czdct: I would have,  binary code evolving into **deus ex machina** has got to be the most obvious thing you could've predicted

wellmeaningalien: some very forward thinking minds were predicting this as far back as the 1960's and 50's, alan turing in the 1940's

wellmeaningalien: but even then it was not quite clear the limits of this technology and just how far it would come

czdct: jokes aside everything in the universe is information, so harnessing this power will open up endless possibilities that we cannot even fathom, just like how a caveman could not fathom a rocket ship. although I feel like AGI would be exponentially more difficult to grasp for modern day humans

.wolfnacht: even ppl in 2000s thought we would have flying cars by 2020s. Eventually one day everyone got disappointed.

futurist_wizard: Flying cars were always gay

czdct: we already have flying cars, but they're not made in a way people want them to be

st.sioux: " 🤡 flying cars are helicopters"

.wolfnacht: ensuring safety is a concern, otherwise every retard would be doing 911- nvm

futurist_wizard: People wanted cars that just fly for no reason? Unless we discover magic, cars don't fly in the air for no reason

czdct: depends on what their definition of a flying car is

czdct: also it makes no sense to want a flying car, that's like wanting a plane that can also drive on public roads. it is technically possible but really not practical in many ways

futurist_wizard: They are talking about the flying cars like in futurama

czdct: oh... those are just not possible

futurist_wizard: The ones that are just defying the laws of gravity

czdct: lmao

czdct: there are some things AI can't solve after all <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

futurist_wizard: In a simulation it can

futurist_wizard: Close enough

czdct: lmao

.wolfnacht: maybe ASI would...but who knows

czdct: true

czdct: Full Dive VR like sword art online, when?

czdct: what if the laws of physics end up being not being universal

st.sioux: spoken with such confidence

futurist_wizard: Under layman understandings of physics it isn't possible

czdct: newton seems like a pretty smart guy, I'll believe his work

st.sioux: gravity was 'impossible' before newton

futurist_wizard: Gravity wasn't recognized until newton

futurist_wizard: Not that it was impossible

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: https://fixupx.com/DaveShapi/status/1908301328951959887

.histic: lol
i remember when Dave said AGI would happen back in Sep 2024.

literallyvarane: Idk, you guys know I clown on Shaprio so I'm hardly agreeing with him *because* it's him, but I read the article at least, and I think the timeline is too contingent upon narrative choices than anything else.

literallyvarane: It reads more like a "This is a story that theoretically maybe could happen,' rather than 'This is our best guess educated guess."

literallyvarane: The CIA would never give this sort of estimate or forcast for example.


maintcrew: they eat the mushroom

hikukomoru: The main character is an autistic elf girl

hikukomoru: So relatable

clevermoniker: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

wellmeaningalien: the show is kinda peak but the fandom is meh lol

hey1_1hey: My bretharaen

hey1_1hey: YOU WHAT

hey1_1hey: Ight fellas, its been real

wellmeaningalien: idk if id say marcille is autistic

hey1_1hey: I gotta go watch this anime

hikukomoru: Fandom is so queer

hikukomoru: I love them

hikukomoru: The catgirl is the best girl btw

hey1_1hey: This shit better suck my dick if its this good

wellmeaningalien: queer fandoms are the most annoying on eaartthh

maintcrew:

hikukomoru: It's my headcanon shut up bitch

maintcrew: 3rd time i had to post this over what hysminea said

maintcrew: crazy times

wellmeaningalien: bro

wellmeaningalien: you've got falin and laios right infront of you

hikukomoru: I headcanon hysminea as Chris-chan level autist

hey1_1hey: Yeah ikr, I prefer when my fandoms are really mentally unstable racist

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/severance-tillman-tramel-mr-milkshake-seth-gif-7211979274581428199

wellmeaningalien: Maybe I am

ailoveyoom: You never used Tumblr?

hikukomoru: Show us your sonic OC drawings

hey1_1hey: Its gonna be a good show. The first frame I see has a mushroom it in

hikukomoru: I used to go there sometimes

hikukomoru: For the porn mainly

ailoveyoom: You're autistic and you're gay, you definitely frequented Tumblr 😤

hey1_1hey: I haven ever used tumbler in my life thank you very much

hikukomoru: Now it's too terminally online leftist for me

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: man thats crazy

hey1_1hey: That is indeed what some might call crazy

ailoveyoom: Sad childhood

hikukomoru: <@439829942310666250> You can find mushrooms on tumblr

professorheaven: That’s actually good enough to eventually turn into full blown tutors