spicy.lemonade: all i have to do is get computer engineering job at apple

spicy.lemonade: move up 1-2 ranks

spicy.lemonade: not doing swe

spicy.lemonade: AI cooked it

ldj: This scaling seems pretty arbitrary. There is several different ways that you could assign compute scaling factors to these labels here and have it still make equal sense, the only grounded anchor that seems to be here is the 10X for GPT-3.5.

Everything else seems pretty arbitrarily fit to a given decided scaling factor starting from there

ldj: Also the diamond scores for the first 3 models seem heavily rounded to tens

ldj: The more consistent scaling factor based on more known data points would seem to be the ~12% GPQA D increase for every 10X in compute.

And this lines up roughly with the 100X effective compute that OpenAI is claiming for GPT-4.5 too (over GPT-4)

destrucules: Well, we know that Llama 4 Scout has half the effective parameters of Llama 4 Maverick, and thus achieves half the effective compute, and it's just above GPT-4o level, and Maverick is at GPT-4.1 level. So we know that gap is somewhat larger than 2x. 3x feels like a safe approximation because I'm just rounding to the nearest half order of magnitude. We know that Qwen2.5-72B is very close in capabilities to GPT-4o, and it is just over twice the size of Qwen2.5-32B, and around five times the size of Qwen2.5-14B. The capabilities of GPT-4 are between the capabilities of Qwen2.5-14B and Qwen2.5-32B, closer to the 14B side of that line. So it is somewhere between 2.3x and 5x. Again, rounding to nearest half order of magnitude, 4o is about 3x the effective scale of 4. It's clear that MMLU-Pro is showing strong saturation effects in the 80s, as we see a gain from 80→84 in MMLU-Pro for Claude 3.7 Sonnet Standard vs Extended Thinking, yet GPQA D jumps from 66 to 77, a full 11 points. These benchmarks normally have about the same scaling velocity during the mostly linear part of the curve, about 20 points per OOM, so this is a significant discrepancy. o1 → o3 is only a one point gain in MMLU-Pro, but an 8 point gain in GPQA D. So GPT-4.5 scoring 86 is very significant. But the score in GPQA D is much lower, only slightly better than or even on par with models that are only ~3x over 4o.

ldj: Eh, I guess that’s where the methodology starts to break down more. It’s not just half the effective params, it’s also a quarter of the total params which directly impact loss too.

And GPQA D has a significantly different trend than 20% per OOM, it’s more like 14% per OOM, or even 10% or lower if you try to really strictly decompose the algorithmic efficiencies from the data points.

ldj: Sorry I was saying 12% earlier, it’s 14%

destrucules: GPT-3.5 level models, like Gemma 3 4B, Llama 3 8B Instruct, Llama 2 70B Chat, Gemini 1.0 Pro, Mistral-small (February), Claude-Instant v1.2, etc. generally score between 39 and 43 on MMLU-Pro and between 28 and 33 on GPQA Diamond. GPT-4 scores 37 on GPQA Diamond, as does Gemini 1.5 Pro 001 and Qwen2-72B Instruct. Later GPT-4 level models like Llama 3 70B Instruct, Mistral Small 3, Claude 3 Sonnet, Claude 3.5 Haiku, GPT-4o mini, Gemma 3 27B, score generally 40-46 on GPQA D. To address your claim that I was rounding too much to the nearest 10 points

ldj: 14% per OOM would be 28% leap required for 100X leap, and GPT-4.5 reaches that and even slightly beats it, it’s 32% increase over GPT-4.

The 14% per OOM trend in GPQA D is observed as the average trend over 20+ different model releases by EpochAI, but when you decompose for raw compute alone it probably is even closer to 12% or 10% per OOM

destrucules: It's not, it only seems like that because the noise floor is 25% and models have only just barely risen above that by GPT-3.5 scale, so the first OOM produces a very small effect, and then a much smaller increase in scale produces a comparable effect (37-46 becomes 48-54), and then a roughly 2x scaling above that produces scores of 65-70

ldj: I’m talking about all data points above the noise floor

destrucules: I am accusing EpochAI of incorrectly weighting data points in the elbow around the emergence of nontrivial scores

destrucules: The scaling is steeper in the linear part of the curve

ldj: Well atleast for GPT-4.5 it seems to end up aligning closer to the reported effective compute said by OpenAI, which presumably is from the loss itself and/or comprehensive internal downstream suite they have

destrucules: Where do they say it's 100x over GPT-4?

destrucules: I remember them saying it's a 10x increase over GPT-4o but I might be confabulating

destrucules: Something like "10x the current version of GPT-4"

destrucules: And then, due to ~10x efficiency gains, this comes out to not much more raw compute than og GPT-4

ldj: In 2 separate events they confirmed that its 10X compute efficiency improvement over original GPT-4, including in the technical report itself iirc. And then in atleast one separate occasion in a university talk in tokyo Sama mentioned that the raw compute itself is 10X of GPT-4 (and also mentioned in that same talk that they plan to go a further 100X on top of that with stargate site in Texas)

destrucules: My information is mostly consistent with that except that iirc Sama was referring to 4o, not 4 og

destrucules: 10x raw over 4o, 10x efficiency over og 4

ldj: I’m pretty sure he wasn’t saying 4o, as I even said before that I believed GPT-4.5 was training on the 96K multi-building cluster, and in the announcement for GPT-4.5 they specifically mentioned that a unique thing about this training run is that they needed to use multiple buildings etc…

ldj: So it would be a clear atleast 15X-20X over GPT-4, especially with later more concrete details about them using lower precision being confirmed, along with more corroboration from various sources on training time

destrucules: I'm saying 30x effective, 3x total compute. That's what's most consistent with the scaling laws anyway

ldj: According to the scaling math with your priors yes

ldj: My scaling math points to more like 100X+

And the hardware details and official statements from OpenAI people are consistent with 100X+ effective compute

destrucules: You're saying 200x

ldj: 200X, 300X something around there yea

destrucules: So Llama 4 Behemoth is 10x more efficient than GPT-4.5?

destrucules: And V3 0324 is about 100x as efficient?

ldj: Regarding behemoth, Idk I’d have to look into it, but I think there’s probably easily a 10X on the plate post-4.5, wrt gpqa

ldj: For deepseek, Technically even original R1 is about 100X as training efficient than GPT-4.5 wrt GPQA.

(Nearly 100X lower training compute for nearly exact same GPQA Diamond score)

destrucules: Llama 4 Behemoth is trained on around 5 x 10^25 FLOPs, no reasoning, and it matches GPT-4.5, which you're speculating to be 5 x 10^26 FLOPs. V3 0324 is slightly worse than GPT-4.5, but trained on just 3.4 x 10^24 FLOPs, more than 100x less than you're saying GPT-4.5 was trained on.

ldj: Eh, we could maybe technically say no reasoning from the standpoint of it not showing up in current L4 inference, but it seems likely that it’s significantly RL’d in a way that GPT-4.5 isn’t

ldj: But either way that would all count as training efficiencies towards GPQA regardless if it comes from reasoning RL or not

ldj: But also, I don’t think we can/should say that Behemoth is 5e25

nsec:


gamerbath: they seem very similar to me

joaoluz19: Bro, it's from California Gurls 💀

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: remastered

jonvi_1:

jonvi_1:

joaoluz19: Lol

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: dude

jonvi_1: what

ldj: Still true

spicy.lemonade: its crazy

zoermena: Cool

jonvi_1: Yeah it's like, obviously practical now which is crazy

jonvi_1: (I did prompt it with images for those two though but I reckon you could prompt something similar without image input too)

spicy.lemonade: https://x.com/dreamingtulpa/status/1904821398759235988

spicy.lemonade: this is gonna be good in combination

spicy.lemonade: with oais

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: oh no

spicy.lemonade: it has a messiah complex

fractalcomputer: That's more of an angel than a messiah.

hikukomoru: Do free users have native image gen yet

jonvi_1: Yup

jonvi_1: Lol

jonvi_1: https://x.com/sama/status/1904921537884676398

joaoluz19:

hikukomoru: Where can I use it
I don't think I have it lol

jonvi_1: Well if you get dalle images in chatgpt you could try using sora

joaoluz19: Try Sora

jonvi_1: Seems to do alright with more obscure stuff too

jonvi_1:

_cloudost: Weeb Sama?

zoermena: What’s the art style

jonvi_1: "studio ghibli"

zoermena: Thanks! 👍

jonvi_1: yw

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: You guys are turning ghibli into slop

spicy.lemonade: This is funny


hikukomoru: That's what a furry is 🙏

frittata: Anyway oop furries to off topic

frittata: Lion fucking too

alejandrozarzuelo: All social species do

frittata: My sweet summer child

hikukomoru: Humans most of all

hikukomoru: Are you a furry too

memlaswaif: frittata is the originator of furrydvr

hikukomoru: Frittata is dead 🥀

futurist_wizard: Furries have confused me

futurist_wizard: Do they ignore the body hair and pretend it doesn't exist or do they actually like bodies covered in hair

otub: 🦍

frittata: Was no one there when the deep magic was written <:angrycry:1186012669023621160>

memlaswaif: Riley <:cutethink:708400862833410079>

memlaswaif: I got my lore mixed up

otub: riley and seventales

otub: <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>

seventales: have i been forgotten to the depths of time

memlaswaif: IM SORRY<:zzz_catblush:1206129985019191369>

wellmeaningalien: found this book on Ai job displacement at the hypermarket

maintcrew: were you shaking in the first pic bc they wrote "IA" instead of AI

maintcrew: id be shaking too tbh

wellmeaningalien: very thick book too but I couldn't actually he bothered to buy it to see what it says

wellmeaningalien: yes the sheer fact that french is a language frightens me

metaldragon01: https://x.com/karansharma0101/status/1905674471928951080

metaldragon01: Go ahead and claim some credits

aero447: https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

inferno0879: I was promoting this healthspan/longevity server around 2017, so I would imagine I started being interested in transhumanism around that time, maybe before

.histic:

.histic: idk why o1 and o3-mini-high fail this one

.histic: 2.5 Pro, 3.7 thinking & even Grok 3 base don't.
r1 fails though.

.histic: 4.5 also fails too.

.histic: i checked, and Grok 3 Thinking fails it yet the base doesn't. lol

ldj: hypermarket?

zonchao: that's where they sell all the ai books

zonchao: cus it's all hype

a1c4p0ne: Grok 3 thinking not as smart

a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>

technocake.: heat equation mentioned

joaoluz19:


alejandrozarzuelo: The past is a horrible place but I think after 1965 is when you have a semblance of a developed country in the US

For Western Europe and Japan I would also say late 60s early 70s

himekokatagiri: Europe was very dire in the 60s

himekokatagiri: have you seen European cars

himekokatagiri: they're cute but they're dystopian

alejandrozarzuelo: This is why i said late 60s

himekokatagiri: look at SEAT lol

spicy.lemonade: Why’s there always a fire alarm when I’m sleeping bro

spicy.lemonade: I was dreaming about hookers

spicy.lemonade: Fuck

himekokatagiri: https://youtu.be/e3a2_-TO81g

himekokatagiri: average euro car

alejandrozarzuelo: 🙄

himekokatagiri: in the 60s

alejandrozarzuelo: Kawaii

alejandrozarzuelo: Keai

himekokatagiri: https://youtu.be/9-3HSTjnpV0

spicy.lemonade: Oh shit I mean sex workers🙏

hikukomoru: 1974
when women were finally allowed to open bank accounts

maintcrew: ur on fire retard get tf out of the building

himekokatagiri: see that's why u become a criminal

himekokatagiri: If you're friends with the mob boss you can open a bank account under a fake alias

spicy.lemonade: We were evacuated <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

alejandrozarzuelo: Damn bro, you are good enough to have pussy you don't need to pay for

You should join an orgy one day you have some time

(make sure it's one with fit people and not overweight nymphomaniacs)

himekokatagiri: <:suseye:1187461162024046703>

spicy.lemonade: 💀

alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah, those decades, 60s 70s...

hikukomoru: Bro what

himekokatagiri: Alejandro what made you like this

alejandrozarzuelo: What?

himekokatagiri: What's your backstory

himekokatagiri: I thought I was weird

spicy.lemonade: No no he’s right

spicy.lemonade: He’s only human

himekokatagiri: So are you

alejandrozarzuelo: And I cry when I get down

But I'm only human...

himekokatagiri: You're clearly not Jacinto 'El Grande' here

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/spinning-rory-charles-graham-rag-n-bone-man-turning-around-the-room-is-spinning-gif-18986961

alejandrozarzuelo: No

alejandrozarzuelo: https://youtu.be/r5yaoMjaAmE?si=KBXMX2lq1tFRlL_r

hikukomoru: White girl music


darkstar0818: we need more output tokens, context is fine.

spicy.lemonade: No no

spicy.lemonade: For agi no

darkstar0818: 10 million output tokens when.

spicy.lemonade: For supreme coder yes

spicy.lemonade: Humans don’t have 10 mil output tokens at once

st.sioux: we need at least 5 million output so it can shit out entire projects

joaoluz19: Yes I'm waiting for the singularity to come and save me and I'm tired of pretending i'm not

darkstar0818: I hit my gemini 2.5 pro output token limit like 20 times today... its bullshit fix it.

spicy.lemonade: 1 million context is about the size of a 1 hour video

spicy.lemonade: So 24 hours

spicy.lemonade: At max

spicy.lemonade: Even though humans sleep for 8

spicy.lemonade: We need 24 mil context

spicy.lemonade: Window

spicy.lemonade: Min 16 mil

darkstar0818: I don't care about that.  I want 100,000 line 1 shot programs.

spicy.lemonade: I want agi

spicy.lemonade: 💀

st.sioux: why 24 hours

spicy.lemonade: 16-24

himekokatagiri: idk man

himekokatagiri: if the program has issues

himekokatagiri: how will you fix it

st.sioux: "fix" lol

darkstar0818: easy, say 'fix this

spicy.lemonade: We don’t need to one shot

spicy.lemonade: Just need agent

spicy.lemonade: Output is not needed

spicy.lemonade: Once we have agentic

spicy.lemonade: This is a non issue

darkstar0818: bro dont tell me what I need.  I need it.

himekokatagiri: I'm imagining mod potential

spicy.lemonade: You don’t tho😭

himekokatagiri: We can make infinite mods

himekokatagiri: For any game we like

darkstar0818: How many years of programming you have under your belt to tell me that 🙂

darkstar0818: Sure they will eventually get agenetic scofolding that is good enough to multi-shot it.  But 1 shot is good.

hikukomoru: Why stop at mods
Just make the game of ur dreams vro 🙏

himekokatagiri: because then I'll have to playtest


futurist_wizard: Future AI's will be very disappointed in what i type here

hikukomoru: I hope AGI remembers humble Komoru

drewsni: prompt: drewsni: im an idiot

trent_k: you're too hard on yourself

trent_k: imagine the hordes of people who can barely string a sentence together posting on facebook 24/7/365

openaigpt_6: ```
Prompt: trent_k: I'm gay and Generation: <|begin_of_text|>trent_k: I'm gay and don't want to be in a relationship right now, so no alejandrozarzuelo: you have been talking about your gf for like 3 days straight... futurist_wizard: No but she's my girlfriend i've never seen her face because we're not that kind of couple. hey1_1hay: So what kinda kinks do you got bruh? hikukomoru: You're the one always posting pics of his cat 🐱 Are u furry or something wellmeaningalien: idk who is this guy lol fractalcomputer: In any case, it doesn't matter whether someone has an opinion on their own sex life. It just seems rather...odd that you'd feel compelled enough as to ask me these questions. st.sioux: ur girl looks good tho 👍🏼 literallyvarane: There are still some people here who aren’t really familiar with how big LLMs can get today tbh. I think most models over half trillion params will probably end up being used primarily by enterprises unless they’re truly transformative consumer products. But even if they ARE useful at enterprise scale…they may only reach mass adoption through API use cases anyway (e.g., Google’s GPT-4o/DeepSeek) metaldragon01: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/10xjv0p/how_are_you_feeling_about_openai_releasing/?sort=old#comment-h8u6n2q9l5w7&share_id=vZgVQdJiHmUaFyA How are yall feeling abot openAI releasing soon? Just wanted feedback from everyone else too before jumping off into conclusions myself :peepowThinkin:
```

openaigpt_6: oh also fractal should i be posting this on another channel so i dont spam outputs here

trent_k: next message is from alejandro. lol, lmao

himekokatagiri: <#1239967453497393162>

fractalcomputer: I have no idea.

openaigpt_6: ```
Generation: <|begin_of_text|>drewsni: im an idiot okbut: And what are the 3 best, and why? alejandrozarzuelo: it is true that some countries have much more cultural heritage than others But also you can see in every city of Spain how many different architectural styles there are (each one representing a time period) It's not just about age but about diversity too. futurist_wizard: I think your brain has already made its decision on whether or not to like someone before they even start speaking. We do this for everyone we meet based off first impressions st.sioux: thats actually really sad 🙏 zoermena: The same as me then 💀 a1c4p0ne: You’re going through puberty 😭😂🔥💯 gamerbath: https://x.com/stevenmonicalr/status/1914351791995081238?t=5ZiLhKXUj2YqRnVwN7yCeg&s=19 i don't know if he was being serious here lolol _cloudost: They'll make their own decisions regardless 👍 I am still learning though so all advice will be taken into consideration! Thank u ❤ hey1_1hey: I dont talk to people anymore because everytime something bad happens I get anxiety over talking to them again which sucks cause my family would prob love hearing from me atleast once
```

fractalcomputer: > it is true that some countries have much more cultural heritage than others

hikukomoru: Why is Alejandro always the second reply

futurist_wizard: "no but she's my girlfriend I've never seen her face because we're not that kind of couple" wtf am i talking about

fractalcomputer: That's probably because he ought to be ridiculously over-represented in the training set.

drewsni: we are arch nemesis's frfr

openaigpt_6: ```
Prompt: ldj: GPT-5 just released and its score on ARC-AGI-2 is Generation: <|begin_of_text|>ldj: GPT-5 just released and its score on ARC-AGI-2 is 0.44%, so thats about the current SOTA
```
noooo its over for scaling

hikukomoru: Only 415 results for Alejandro

drewsni: its never been so fucking over

hikukomoru: <@688807313015963693>

.0xunkn0wn: what the flip

a1c4p0ne: 😭 😂 🔥 💯

hikukomoru: Mushroom talking about kinks

hikukomoru: Typical

futurist_wizard: > futurist_wizard: I think your brain has already made its decision on whether or not to like someone before they even start speaking. We do this for everyone we meet based off first impressions

Facts, my AI is a genius

himekokatagiri: I'm gonna marry ur AI then

himekokatagiri: blehhhhh

himekokatagiri: 😛

futurist_wizard: I'm pretty sure this might be paraphrasing something I've said

hikukomoru: > hikukomoru: You're the one always posting pics of his cat 🐱 Are u furry or something

hikukomoru: That's not me bruh

a1c4p0ne: That’s you

futurist_wizard: It's you

openaigpt_6: ```
Prompt: ldj: Elon musk just hit an entire family of 5 with a tesla. Holy shit zonchao: Elon musk did NOT Generation: <|begin_of_text|>ldj: Elon musk just hit an entire family of 5 with a tesla. Holy shit
zonchao: Elon musk did NOT kill those people 😭
```
agi achieved

alejandrozarzuelo: What does it do

futurist_wizard: Disturbingly accurate

clevermoniker: Holy fuck, we have GPT 6 from the future here

futurist_wizard: It knowns Zon is Elon's strongest soldier

hikukomoru: Having a bot trained on the most active people on here would go hard ngl

hikukomoru: Doge emoji instead of crying emoji and it would have been 100% Zon


spicy.lemonade: yes

ailoveyoom: Did they say that?

gamerbath: yea

gamerbath: sama did

literallyvarane: Yes

ailoveyoom: 🥵

st.sioux: software gonna cook hard with this gonna fire the entire graphic design department

ailoveyoom: Brb changing my pants

hey1_1hey: Only 10k people watching, what a diapointment for the other 8 billion people not watching

spicy.lemonade: lfg

literallyvarane: Dope now another 17262 weeks until the next major drop

literallyvarane: We cooked it’s over lads.

spicy.lemonade: dont need to hire artist for sprites anymore

hey1_1hey: Didn't like artists anyway

ai9708: it was never under <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

hey1_1hey: I am gonna go show my artists friends this to see the cope <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

hikukomoru: From OAI? Yeah
We still got DeepSeek

hey1_1hey: I love causing phycological damage

spicy.lemonade: I was banned

spicy.lemonade: from showing AI stuff

drewsni: scored worse than gemini 2 pro exp btw

drewsni: and flash

hey1_1hey: 😭 what

hey1_1hey: Getting banned for showing AI is CRAZY

hey1_1hey: Let me guess it was in the mental health server... <:suseye:1187461162024046703>

hikukomoru:

spicy.lemonade: art

ai9708: me too, im gonna show this my autist friends

hey1_1hey: Oh yeah I forgot you aren't in one to my knoweldege. I always get you and unkown confused some how

metaldragon01: So interesting tbh

hikukomoru: You're in the mental health server too?
Not surprised

hey1_1hey: The first cope has been recived

hey1_1hey: "Its not real, that looks fake asf"

drewsni: https://openai.com/index/introducing-4o-image-generation/

spicy.lemonade: lobotomy model

drewsni: these are so crazy

spicy.lemonade: HOLY

hey1_1hey: Yeah I am in all of them

drewsni: lemme check smth real quick

hey1_1hey: MentalHealthMaxxing


gamerbath: but isn't that what you use ctrl+h for?

theaiguy69420_89814: for ctrl+h, its super localized, like, for this change, it needed to know the structure of the import and import it at the top

theaiguy69420_89814: if i ctrl-h something that only needs the context of like, 20 lines of surrounding code, then its fine

literallyvarane: https://knowingless.com/2021/10/26/political-compass-fetishes/

idk why this jogged my memory, but the political alignment vs fetish concept here could be curious just given how large that race play group is. Though perhaps you’d need to break it out from that vs feminization.

Not sure how accurate the link I shared is but w/e. could be entirely fiction.

literallyvarane: I’d just be curious to see if the political alignment of that server could be inferred.

theaiguy69420_89814: o4-mini is a bit underconfident i guess

theaiguy69420_89814: Lmao I thought you meant Ctrl+k

theaiguy69420_89814: Yeah, I'd use Ctrl h for that

theaiguy69420_89814: If the replacement changes slightly (for example, if you have to change a string to use back instead of forward slashes, you want to make sure the strings with the rb prefix aren't changed)

theaiguy69420_89814: Then tab is fantastic

theaiguy69420_89814: Cuz it can do that light intelligence to be like "this is an f string, it's the same string, but doesn't need slash changes"

trent_k: it's not a server, it's data from roblox

joaoluz19: Literally us when no AI big news every 6 hours

trent_k: many of those people are still on roblox, still not banned, still interacting with children

777agical: https://x.com/testingcatalog/status/1915113780909949154?s=46

gamerbath: wow really???? it's that really competitive with ChatGPT??

literallyvarane: Wait what sort of data from Roblox? Is there a blog or paper or on this?

theaiguy69420_89814: i mean, "hey google" is gemini now

literallyvarane: I feel like this could be including Google searches or something weird. 350m feels like a lie

trent_k: basically I did some simple reverse engineering on the website and worked out how the HTTP API worked for requesting user data

trent_k: and then I scraped a few million roblox users' and groups' info

trent_k: and rendered it into that network graph

theaiguy69420_89814: <@266232329557639168> , might be helpful: https://www.cursor.com/changelog/0-49

theaiguy69420_89814: even <@1068159407671754824>

trent_k: there's not a blog post or anything, but I posted about it a number of times on kiwi farms

zonchao: https://x.com/ns123abc/status/1915119333493387753

gamerbath: 2030? more like 174 trillion <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

literallyvarane: But what info are they sharing that makes you think they’re doing race play etc etc. like what’s the identifying vector here?

fractalcomputer:

literallyvarane: What’s the API *actually* for?

trent_k: the groups' names are really not very subtle

trent_k: nor are the users' names

trent_k: roblox has some basic filtering of stuff ur not allowed to put in a group or username but they always find a way around it

trent_k: so for race play you might see users with black skinned avatars and names like "14in_BULL_WANT_SNOBUNNY"

fractalcomputer: What the fuck.

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/green-goblin-tongue-malicious-devious-gif-24541958

trent_k: you dont hate roblox enough

literallyvarane: How are you seeing the avatar via api? What does the api provide?

fractalcomputer: The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.

trent_k: the way the process worked for scraping was like this


oscurrito: oh they did? whats it called or where can i find anything about it

spicy.lemonade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyUZX-lCj4M

_cloudost:

hikukomoru: WTF
Why did she murder that innocent robot
Little guy was just having fun

_cloudost: Little guy stole all her customers though

_cloudost: If she didn't destroy it she'd starve to death

memlaswaif: https://girlcockx.com/LostMemeArchive/status/1911316925667520578?t=k15BQ5uwRigj3y1ilIjvpw&s=19

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: YESSSSSSSSSSSSS

spicy.lemonade: HYPE

_cloudost: Sora 2

_cloudost: Should force google to give everyone Veo 2

hikukomoru: Wtf is that url

_cloudost: Less obvious IP grabber URL

hikukomoru: What a psycho
She deserves to starve then

alejandrozarzuelo: Sabine is a contrarian

alejandrozarzuelo: i like her videos because she is a well researched contrarian

alejandrozarzuelo: she justifies her positions while being controversial on 99% of topics

alejandrozarzuelo: when public opinion shifts in her favor, she takes the opposite position as nuance

alejandrozarzuelo: this is not a bad thing necessarily

alejandrozarzuelo: she is great as her reasoning is solid, even tho I disagree with her often

memlaswaif: her no.1 expert source for ai stuff being gary marcus is hilarious

spicy.lemonade: yeh lol

spicy.lemonade: well not her source

spicy.lemonade: just guy she constantly sides with

spicy.lemonade: not maybe idk

spicy.lemonade: the guy who won a nobel prize

spicy.lemonade: or

spicy.lemonade: the othet guy who won a nobel prize

spicy.lemonade: 💀

spicy.lemonade: who both think agi are comming at the same time

spicy.lemonade: demis and hinton think 2030

spicy.lemonade: hinton thinks before is possible

alejandrozarzuelo: yeah

alejandrozarzuelo: most experts are in the 2030 ish range

memlaswaif: does any big lab or big reputable ai figure have agi after 2030

memlaswaif: seems like everyone converging on 2030 being the latest it can go

spicy.lemonade: no one besides gary

spicy.lemonade: 💀

spicy.lemonade: and gary himself removed the "no agi before 2030" banner on his twitter


hey1_1hey: Indeed, I have one. Very fun to beat up weird little ragdoll people in VR

wellmeaningalien: so much

st.sioux: i have a quest 3 too i use it for racing sim

st.sioux: idk honestly

st.sioux: im conflicted about it

sarik0497: That or to keep up. They have been ~~cock~~blocked from obtaining good GPUs from Nvidia, so they have to produce their own. Same with robotics, and AI. They know that this is their chance to become a dominating power in tech.

hey1_1hey: I was thinking about it and I think I have come to the conclusion of prob not. My reaonsing behind it is that if/when AGI is achieved OS will scramble to dismantle it and then it will become OS, distilled, quantized etc etc

wellmeaningalien: honestly to me the startup environment is the best environment for new paradigms in ai to get off the ground

wellmeaningalien: after all the current paradigm of ai didnt come from any established institution or legacy company

hey1_1hey: Gotta innovate in that stage to begin with so yeah I tend to agree

wellmeaningalien: but

wellmeaningalien: not saying it couldnt help

hey1_1hey: Eh, MS ig

hey1_1hey: Google aswell

wellmeaningalien: academia is one hell of a thing for research to get done but

hey1_1hey: Apple aswell

wellmeaningalien: yeah no it came from openai though

wellmeaningalien: make no mistake

hey1_1hey: Acamedia seems like a black box to me. I have no idea what they do all day

wellmeaningalien: transformers were created by google and openai were birthed in it

hey1_1hey: I mean of course, they had "first movers advantage" if you class it as that.

hey1_1hey: Granted I think google OSd the transformer arch

sarik0497: I think it's mostly because that before ChatGPT, it was a "niche". No one really expected it to be anything interesting, and thus for a large company it's just not worth the effort.

wellmeaningalien: it's not really the best reward incentive for groundbreaking stuff like LLMs, at least not all the time, stuff did and does still happen but you can see for example something like GPT 2 would never have gotten off the ground because of how resources are allocated

wellmeaningalien: along with heavy emphasis on ongoing fields of research

wellmeaningalien: perhaps so but google was still a thriving startup birthed not too long ago in the dot com era

wellmeaningalien: its no mid 20th century IBM

hey1_1hey: True, can't argue with that. I dont think anyone actually expected it to be anything groundbreaking. Clearly they were wrong tho

wellmeaningalien: additionally take into account the fact transformers are from deepmind more specifically

777agical: https://x.com/mikeknoop/status/1904269314099978344

wellmeaningalien: to be fair though i think google did understand how significant LLMs would become but they were cautious around the technology. it was openai who propelled it into the stratosphere and thus became colloquial with LLMs

wellmeaningalien: so startups win again

sarik0497: Indeed. There were the obvious people like Ilya overreacting about it, but most people found it a simple, small step towards AGI in the long-term.

hey1_1hey: Why do you think they were catiuse? Its not like they are working with high grade explosives in the literal sense

wellmeaningalien: when you're thinking of the longer term you cant say theres such thing as too much caution

gamerbath: oooo

sarik0497: Hah, knew it.

Doesn't really matter imo if an AI can beat one test, if you can easily just make a new one that it does poorly at.

hey1_1hey: I love seeing that graph where its like "Expers predictions towards AGI" and it was 2100 then 2050 then 2040 then 2035 etc etc

sarik0497: True, but Ilya legit thought GPT-2 was dangerous to our society.

wellmeaningalien: corporate bureaucracy slows down product launches, probably doubting the effectiveness and purpose it can serve in the market and if it is worth throwing money at it, and at that, if it would even be safe to release (as AI is famously known for saying funny things) while not hurting openai's brand image


joaoluz19: I just tested the AVM and the difference is huge, they just didn't bring the full model

.histic: wdym? it was a machine

st.sioux: i mean the ai from the movie is a person lol

.histic: is it voiced by an actress?
well, yeah, it’s a movie. i mean if you compare the AI voice realism in her to OpenAI's AVM, the movie’s performance is much better in realism and is what people thought AVM could be.

clevermoniker: ||give up||

joaoluz19: The problem is not the movie but the gap between the demo and after the shipping

xaiayiren: <https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-buy-chrome-executive-testifies> https://t.fixupx.com/theinformation/status/1914769712560419213

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-suiii-siuuu-al-nassr-alnassr-ronaldo-al-nassr-gif-7395052735569211864

.histic: oh god fractal is here 😨

fractalcomputer: *If* a court forced Google to sell? Is there something going on that I am unaware of with Google's legal proceedings?

drewsni: yeah us gov ssid google needs to sell chrome

drewsni: monopoly stuff

.histic: do you think it will go anywhere?

fractalcomputer: When did this happen?

drewsni: https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/google-must-divest-the-chrome-browser-doj-renews-call-for-google-to-sell-chrome-and-android-could-be-next/

drewsni: a month ago

himekokatagiri: Nothing will happen

drewsni: very preiminary tho and it wont happen

himekokatagiri: they did the same with Microsoft in the 90s

fractalcomputer: Oh dear. OpenAI would become insufferable.

himekokatagiri: Web3 already sucks

himekokatagiri: Web3+AI

.histic: idek how that would be connected to their mission of AGI.
they will twist anything.

himekokatagiri: lol

himekokatagiri: with chrome you can roll out AI to a ton of devices

himekokatagiri: since every android has one

st.sioux: harvest ungodly amounts of data

himekokatagiri: but didn't windows update do that...?

.histic: Microsoft opens a part of OpenAI.
if OpenAI in some crazy reality bought Chrome, that would be a big brain move & give Microsoft more power.

himekokatagiri: you can use copilot in mspaint

himekokatagiri: which lol

fractalcomputer: Sigh. Maybe I should just finish up with my manifesto.

himekokatagiri: Why are you writing a manifesto

himekokatagiri: what's it about

himekokatagiri: free call of cthulhu sourcebooks?

himekokatagiri: I agree chaosium charges a lot

.histic: his love for HP lovecraft.

drewsni: i think i prefer dayhush over the other webdev model, this is the closest ive gotten to my prompt out of all models

himekokatagiri: born too early

himekokatagiri: gone too soon


shirethedreamer: physics is not turing complete
its build on the substrate of quantum processes (to our best understanding today)

ailoveyoom: How do you feel about AI taking over programming then? 🤔

frittata: A monk of the first order in the new world monasteries

maintcrew: hello hilbert may i present you godel

alejandrozarzuelo: we know that our models describe reality very well because we can make predictions

maybe we will never get to a TOE because we are limited by mathematics and th universe cannot be completely captured by them

but physics assumes that to be true

fractalcomputer: Honestly, if it were up to me, humanity would entirely give up on physics and start funding monastic orders of mathematician-monks to study the purity of abstraction.

shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/roblox-workfrank-airship-assault-pilots-0-win-pilots-gif-5610798075792288208

alejandrozarzuelo: this is not relevant to this conversation

maintcrew: Based and cool

fractalcomputer: Do you know what reality is?

ailoveyoom: Okay then at least you're consistent about everyone being replaced 😎

frittata: Honestly? The self. You may put a gleam of it in code it’s true. Somebody who comes up with an entirely novel method for getting things done, like maybe builds a library from scratch or a mathematical proof, has put soul into their work. But most code to get things done … nah it’s not soul. And if you’ve never put a piece of your personality on the line in a work you’ve created, you won’t know what I mean

ailoveyoom: Claude <:coy:1187466404367175821>

alejandrozarzuelo: I have known several people with this position

Its a position i like to disagree with (i find it very interesting to talk with math absolutits who think physics is a farce)

you are by far the most annoying one of them

shirethedreamer: thats even taking it a step too far
even assuming reality is exactly what we believe it to be with current understanding of physics its still not solvable with a turing machine anyway

maintcrew: By this argument most art that people do for employment isnt soul either

frittata: It certainly *drains* the soul <:angrysad:1136267059811074079> UBI when?

maintcrew: I dont think the patreon furry inflationist puts a lot of soul into the comissions

fractalcomputer: That is because I am a very confrontational person. And I am a man of absolutes.

ailoveyoom: If we put our soul into literally everything we do, I think we'll get wrung out pretty quickly. Just like how too much empathy cn be draining 😔

alejandrozarzuelo: it is true, i misspoke, the basis is a bayesian model (and that is assuming minimal quantum interference)

i shared an article that is similar to the one i read a few months back

shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-sith-gif-7488176

alejandrozarzuelo: that is ok

frittata: Claude has got *soul* fr fr <:doot:803769141106049084>

fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-emperor-look-stare-gif-15923185

shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/cat-scared-gif-27466237

frittata: The man knows himself

frittata: Right exactly! There’s nothing wrong with not putting soul into things, most things just require rigor and exactness to be good and fulfill their purpose

alejandrozarzuelo: question: is supporting the mass unemployment of artists being a villain when you also support the mass unemployment of everyone else?

fractalcomputer: I am not an excitable person—so quite naturally heated argumentation is the only thing that brings me any sort of joy in life.

frittata: Nope as long as you go at it like that, and not in a vindictive nah nah boo boo spirit

anathemaofmankind: Have you tried drugs

frittata: In fact UBI etc would support a mass flourishing of art I’m convinced. Of all varieties, AI and digital and manual alike

shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/periodicazo-fifidonia-newspaper-gif-20050186

fractalcomputer: I suppose alcohol counts as a drug.

alejandrozarzuelo: ah yeah i have nothing against artists in particular, they are the first in the "chopping block"

mathematicians are second, and most of my professors are happy with this prospect, imagine how many centuries worth of math we could have per year

both mathematicians and artists are creative people, its weird to see the prospect of automation be felt so differently

shirethedreamer: are the students happy?

spicy.lemonade: I think when openAI drops native video the new ghibli style will be christopher nolan style

fractalcomputer: Most students are obliviously retarded.

alejandrozarzuelo: it depends

the ones with fields medals aspirations and fat salaries? no


joaoluz19: Yes

_cloudost: o

spicy.lemonade: ok

_cloudost: Midjourney is cooked

fractalcomputer: Yes, because it is the epitome of the modern "panem et circenses." I take no joy in it and I would advise you to refuse it as well.

_3sphere: https://tenor.com/view/pomni-dance-revolution-pomni-animations-anima-gif-789371396831972585

spicy.lemonade:

_3sphere: Beautiful

ailoveyoom: Does Teto have official art? Isn't she just a vocal synth?

fractalcomputer: Prithee, could you ask it to visualise Interuniversal Teichmüller Theory, please?

_3sphere: Popular enough for LLMs to know probably

gamerbath: AI obviously can't count fingers

ailoveyoom: The wine test was solved too

zoermena: Mich mach 4o gen for free today

gamerbath: yea here's that

ailoveyoom: Also it's not because 'the truth hurts', it's because you see how asshole-y that comes off as right? 😔

zoermena: The dudes wise enough to recognize improvements and his anti is certainly justified.

clevermoniker: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

gamerbath: yea just downvote the comment enough for it to be hidden, maybe then the truth stops existing

joaoluz19:

clevermoniker: https://x.com/xprunie/status/1904786623939895542

clevermoniker: https://fxtwitter.com/xprunie/status/1904786651777298692#m

joaoluz19: OpenAI was peak in that period

clevermoniker: Wasn't Mira trying to keep them from releasing stuff?

spicy.lemonade: still peak

_cloudost: If Mira was still a member she'd have opposed OpenAIs native image generator due to "safety concerns"

spicy.lemonade:

clevermoniker: Maybe Ilya too, sad to say

fractalcomputer: It is rather interesting to see so many people asking the machines to picture things in the "Ghibli style"—given that Miyazaki himself is strongly against the usage of artificial intelligence in art. For example, there's that one interview out there on the net where he calls a learning algorithm—designed to create "creepy" animations of three-dimensional humanoids—"an insult to life itself", recalling a disabled acquaintance of his.

clevermoniker: yes

fractalcomputer: The obsession with the Ghibli style is almost perverted in that sense; a "demonic" glee at the downfall of human art of sorts.

clevermoniker: <:Ted:1136265390549381253>

fractalcomputer: I think Miyazaki's views are complete rubbish; but I appreciate people who can challenge my own beliefs to any meaningful measure; and it's just sad to see the gleeful swine herds attack honest art in such a perverted manner.

clevermoniker: Can you turn this into an anime Ghibli style drawing?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1057701811538120824/1354458825674981496/Screenshot_20250326-151454.png?ex=67e55d94&is=67e40c14&hm=53161c883df1ceada03969afea445115ae55f115a5d6705a52e978d24fe8a510&

fractalcomputer: Are you an applied mathematician and/or an ethicist?

clevermoniker: no

fractalcomputer: Sigh. You shall be spared the cliff this one time.

clevermoniker: i didn't get the idea above, but someone else asked for it in another server and i thought it would be funny

spicy.lemonade:

clevermoniker: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1053469587783549018/1191460341591330836/trolle_schizo_troll_2d_fall.gif?ex=65a584e9&is=65930fe9&hm=495dbae63ee8c2265069cb92bb99abf2853b53e8536f723307ceecf212607443&


hey1_1hey: They sure do

hey1_1hey: 06'

spicy.lemonade: well no 23

spicy.lemonade: depends on month

hey1_1hey: Indeed. September for me

spicy.lemonade: you could just say youd be both 22/23 that year

aero447: BTW I hate you forinviting me to that server with lots of cute nice people in and even a bot that's polite because I can't leave.

aero447: 😮💨

spicy.lemonade: loll

aero447: I would feel bad about it.

aero447: 😫

alejandrozarzuelo: ill be 28

memlaswaif: invite me to it <:cozy:1126601045615853671>

alejandrozarzuelo: so oooooooooooooooooooold

fractalcomputer: Yes, I was asking about math.

fractalcomputer: Which area of research?

alejandrozarzuelo: portugais

alejandrozarzuelo: math is generalizeable to all branches, if you have the intelligence to go on frontier discreet math you have the intelligence to do abstract algebta or topology

futurist_wizard: 29 in 2029

alejandrozarzuelo: the thing is, human brains are limited, so we are limited to one single branch of math

alejandrozarzuelo: more like a subbranch

memlaswaif: I find it weird u old people r so in it I have been schizo since i was like 12 <:concernedpoliwhirl:1313314818907832421>

alejandrozarzuelo: but we COULD do any if we wanted

alejandrozarzuelo: so if there is a breakthrough in math then all of math should be "automatizeable"

spicy.lemonade: probably combinatorics or set theory

spicy.lemonade: AI seems good at those today

spicy.lemonade: more llm based

futurist_wizard: Its just more embarrassing to be into this when you're young

futurist_wizard: Go live life

joaoluz19: In english is PDE

memlaswaif: <:cutethink:708400862833410079>

memlaswaif: partial differential equation?

fractalcomputer: Doing arithmetic geometry requires a very different level of abstraction and conceptual machinery than say, combinatorics or graph theory.

spicy.lemonade: combinatronics would closely align with its computing olympiad abilities. so itl probably be a combinatronics problem

joaoluz19: I'll be 26

alejandrozarzuelo: yes, but we are talking about approaching an artificial GENERAL intelligence, unless im reading the conversation wrong

fractalcomputer: We're talking about near-term advances.

spicy.lemonade: like next year if frontier math is like 90%

fractalcomputer: I personally would guess mathematical physics. Not because I think mathematical physics is for silly idiots, no, but because I think there's a lot more data amenable to use.

spicy.lemonade: what would it be able to make breakthroughs in


archon.e: Mental breakdown

zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/raygun-raygunn-raygun-breakdance-raygun-breakdancing-breakdance-raygun-gif-3035521202497175510

alejandrozarzuelo: btw, china, the most technologcally integrated major economy, is already seeing the effects of the singularity on employment and prices

china has suffered from near deflation for a while, as their productivity per worker and the price of energy have dropped very fast

the chinese economy is struggling to cope with the change in employment already

this is despite 5% gdp growth, which is quite robust

this deflation china is having will be the first sign in ALL countries that the singularity is meaningfully impacing the economy

fuhulootogan: https://tenor.com/view/poseidon-fortnite-fortnite-poseidon-fortnite-evenpancake-breakdown-fortnite-gif-7175672879043212206

fuhulootogan: thats really optimistic

fractalcomputer: It's as if this server's become a breeding ground for retardation.

inferno0879: just devils advocating

zonchao: this is true

hikukomoru: Hopefully not
But given the current government you guys have they're just likely to let people starve

zonchao: L take

zonchao: <:angry_doggo_hd:1230838420222382120>

archon.e: Retards fuel the internet

fuhulootogan: yes

fuhulootogan: this is why you need to overthrow the government

fractalcomputer: Is that supposed to be a good thing?

inferno0879: yes there are no retards irl

fuhulootogan: start a rebellion

zonchao: L take

alejandrozarzuelo: we are just talking about the effects AI will have on the economy, but you do you

fuhulootogan: federal agent

archon.e: Denial

fractalcomputer: Yes, your takes are retarded as well, Spaniard.

hikukomoru: Cmon
Don't tell me Trump and Elon are going to be the ones to give people UBI

archon.e: All will have to go through the 5 steps of grief

zonchao: we need democracy to function for there to be a reasonable transition with the least amount of harm

fuhulootogan: you mean the multi billionaires?

fuhulootogan: duh

archon.e: We need new form of governance for the ai age

hikukomoru: Sowwy Fraccy 🥺

archon.e: UBI is essential

aero447: <@312370916820779040>

archon.e: But I’m from India and we have 1.5 billion people

fuhulootogan: yeah you need someone

aero447: https://www.thealgorithmicbridge.com/p/google-is-winning-on-every-ai-front

zonchao: elon wants to, many members of his e/acc admin/circle have talked about it, they are already pricing in automation with the trade wars

fractalcomputer: You've somehow managed to create the worst possible admixture of schizophrenia and profound autism. Almost LessWrong levels of retardation.

archon.e: How can we give ubi to everyone

fuhulootogan: very trustworthy

fuhulootogan: to rely on

archon.e: We are cooked beyond belief


joaoluz19: Yes, free fire

joaoluz19: And Pou

hganhhh: <@482923866600112154> are you open to the next orgy

hey1_1hey: Who the leader bruh

hikukomoru: No, he's already scheduled for the gooning session with me

hey1_1hey: Fuck off, no he hasn't.

hey1_1hey: He has not just double booked us

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/kagamine-len-goon-gooning-gooner-goon-sesh-gif-3728756366461103848

hganhhh: <@482923866600112154> is the leader

hey1_1hey: So whats wrong with you then? Autistic, adhd? gay? trans? bpd (Komorou)

hganhhh:

hganhhh: all

hganhhh:

hikukomoru: Wow! Samesies!

hey1_1hey: Fair doos

hey1_1hey: Thats a fucked up looking horse

hganhhh: no <@482923866600112154> is my steed

hikukomoru:

hey1_1hey: Tism is off the charts in this one

hikukomoru:

hganhhh: ducks

hganhhh:

hey1_1hey: I take great offense to this. My entire family was brutally massacred by a militia of ducks on the 13 of February 2014

hganhhh: dw ill revive them with agi

hganhhh: i believe it is very ethical to revive dead people's voices  with the power of ai 🥰

hikukomoru: Ducks eat mushrooms? 😧

hey1_1hey: Same

hey1_1hey: Occasionally

hey1_1hey: So do horses, fuck horses bro. I actually got beef with them

hikukomoru: Ducks get high too??
Chill as fuck

hey1_1hey: Yuh, sheep aswell

hey1_1hey: Infact sheep go looking for liberty caps

hganhhh: so guys what do you think of elon musk

hikukomoru: Honestly if they massacred your family for a high I don't blame them

hey1_1hey: Shit person innit

hikukomoru: We love Elon

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/elon-musk-embarrassing-jumping-dance-gif-5097403608965885634

hey1_1hey: O

hey1_1hey: oh my

hey1_1hey: oh my god


joaoluz19: Yep

wellmeaningalien: it's talking more specifically about creative writing and lmarena elo which i dont feel is totally fair

wellmeaningalien: cause there are way more dimensions than those and as we all know lmarena is a middling benchmark (although with style control it seems the llama 4 series still get beaten out pretty good)

.wolfnacht: >stealth model

wellmeaningalien: but keep in mind gpt 4o is the top model on the lmarena leaderboard <:CSMAngelShrug:762352063006769193>

wellmeaningalien: not gpt 4.5, not claude 3.7 or claude 3.7 thinking, not gemini 2.5 pro,

.wolfnacht: is quasar good ?

metaldragon01: https://x.com/ArtificialAnlys/status/1908890796415414430

metaldragon01: Yes

.wolfnacht: L4 was garbage, i still need to see behemoth, but that's a 2T model

joaoluz19: The 4o one is really good recently, I've been using it a lot for higher education math

metaldragon01: L4 isn't garbage

wellmeaningalien: thats not all too bad, it's competitive with the frontier models from other labs but i mean

.wolfnacht: dissapointing*

wellmeaningalien: i'd still kinda expect more

wellmeaningalien: i think the most disappointing is how fat it is for such disappointing performance lol

.wolfnacht: idk i haven't opened twitter in a while, are there any evals ?

metaldragon01: It's smaller than deepseek

joaoluz19: Inferior to deepkseek lol

wellmeaningalien: yeah it's pretty damn good but for example for math you might be better off with those reasoning models or gemini 2.0 pro or gpt 4.5 and what have you

wellmeaningalien: post update deepseek v3, like gpt 4o, is pretty damn good tho

metaldragon01: L4 is open sourced and will be finetuned

wellmeaningalien: i think this is deepseek v3.1

wellmeaningalien: whats the point anyway if you cant run it on ur computer i should ask tho

wellmeaningalien: might just be more worth it to wait for better closed models

metaldragon01: ......the point is open research and flexibility

joaoluz19: Anyway isn't Meta's chief scientist literally a disbeliever of LLMs? So that's why I want to look at the other architectures

wellmeaningalien: yeah thats true but i meaaaaaan

metaldragon01: I feel like people just forget the perks of opensource and having a western model people trust.

metaldragon01: 10 million context window as well

metaldragon01: And 1 million on maverick

.wolfnacht: i believe quasar is the new 4o

spacetimetsunami: Quasar?

joaoluz19: https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1jr35zl/mystery_model_on_openrouter_quasaralpha_is/

metaldragon01: Model was stealth dropped on openrouter.ai with 1 million context and popular

joaoluz19: And only 20B

metaldragon01: Where are you getting the 20b from?

joaoluz19: They said in the link

metaldragon01: That's just a guess. Hard to accurately guess parameters these days tbh.

.wolfnacht: https://openrouter.ai/openrouter/quasar-alpha


spicy.lemonade: theoretically atleast

fractalcomputer: No?

_3sphere: If you analytically extend some metrics, sure

_3sphere: But the actual prediction is that it's unstable or unreachable

fractalcomputer: I don't think that means anything.

_3sphere: <@471334973379706900> https://jila.colorado.edu/~ajsh/bh/schww.html

trent_k: https://www.timecube.net/

_3sphere: Embrace superior 40 kB per whole page html

spicy.lemonade: ah I was mistaken

spicy.lemonade: I see

_3sphere: Sad isn't it 😭

spicy.lemonade: how would we tell it where to go though

spicy.lemonade: sounds unreliable

_3sphere: We couldn't

_3sphere: It would only connect two previously settled points

_3sphere: Exploration is still slow

spicy.lemonade: lame

trent_k: You've heard of vibe coding but are you ready for vibe starship piloting?

_3sphere: But maaybe the formation mechanism would allow "aiming" out into free space

spicy.lemonade: hopefully ASI could discover how to calculate where to place it

_3sphere: That part is speculative so we don't know

spicy.lemonade: like minecraft nether maths or something

_3sphere: General relativity doesn't even have any way to work with the topology changes creating a wormhole would involve

spicy.lemonade: "yes 1 block in real space is 10 blocks in wormhole space"

_3sphere: tbh I think if it works it wouldn't be usable for travel

_3sphere: Only communication

fractalcomputer: That is quite wishful thinking.

_3sphere: You'd be dealing with an artificial black hole with a solid shell of wonder material inside

_3sphere: If the curvature doesn't shred you, the super dense exotic matter support probably will

_3sphere: *if* it works

spicy.lemonade: throw an apple inside and see if it survives🙏

spicy.lemonade: if it does its safe to go through

_3sphere: 🧠

fractalcomputer: And now we're back in sci-fi.

_3sphere: yes

spicy.lemonade: davinci was into sci fi

_3sphere: What even is there in space for me to see anyway

spicy.lemonade: wallpapers

fractalcomputer: Physicists ought to be a bit more transparent about the nature of their work as philosophers that just happen to have a knack for twisting mathematics into supporting their rhetoric.

spicy.lemonade: then you go back home to fdvr


spicy.lemonade: wont doxx lmao

czdct: oh ok

czdct: I published a paper on cancer therapy and the implementation of nanotechnology in fighting tumors in brain cells.

spicy.lemonade:

czdct: It was cited by wall street journal and the new york times

spicy.lemonade: Ldg only one on this server that knows

czdct: can't link it though since I don't wanna dox myself

spicy.lemonade: Uh yeah

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: That would be dumb

spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436> what technicaly feild are you in again

spicy.lemonade: anyway ilya has had alot more to back up his claims

czdct: I can't tell, don't want to doxx myself

czdct: lol

spicy.lemonade: mostly years of scale

czdct: that would be so dumb

spicy.lemonade: so youre not in one

spicy.lemonade: got it

shirethedreamer: i have no idea why you guys keep engaging

spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

st.sioux: this is so dumb

czdct: me neither

czdct: this is like fishing in an aquarium

spacetimetsunami: <@1352573784422350930> is most certainly a troll. She simply can’t be real.

spicy.lemonade: "🍀 "

spacetimetsunami: *joins server*
“I’m gonna be very cringe”
*does that*
“I’m cumming”

ailoveyoom: You play Inzoi 😍

czdct: oh no...

ailoveyoom: Literally me (the last part)

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: ilya has alot

spicy.lemonade: to support his claim

spicy.lemonade: yan currently

spicy.lemonade: doesnt

shirethedreamer: not only a troll but someone that created a new discord user just to troll here
you guys should be honored

spicy.lemonade: burden on proof is on yan types

czdct: what in the erotic fiction is this?

spacetimetsunami: Jesus Christ

st.sioux: its so late and i cant figure out if i should sleep or just stay awake

spacetimetsunami: I am honered


hikukomoru: Alejandro AI would make 1984 look like a children's fairytale

alejandrozarzuelo: EWWWW ANARCHISTS

alejandrozarzuelo: 🤮

futurist_wizard: How well do you think that would go in multi ethnic america

alejandrozarzuelo: About as well as multi ethnic Singapore?

maintcrew: the city state with less citizens than ny 💔

alejandrozarzuelo: You know, the place that pioneered the surveillance state

futurist_wizard: Do they disproportionately lobotomised one group more than the other

hikukomoru: Singapore is like a small rock

alejandrozarzuelo: Nono, I said that we should start with mass surveillance and then go from there

maintcrew: yes they lobotomized ai doomers more

himekokatagiri: Why can't you guys chill out and think positive thoughts

maintcrew: lesson for you kids dont doom all over the place

himekokatagiri: <@688807313015963693> you literally want to enslave people

alejandrozarzuelo: Positive thoughts is make the world like Singapore

alejandrozarzuelo: WTF?

hikukomoru: Anarchists 🥀

himekokatagiri: Your venn diagram is so fucked you loop back into Mao territory

alejandrozarzuelo: I won't comment on anarchists becsuse they don't merit my opinion but damn that's stupid

futurist_wizard: I think you got my point, you'd be lobotomising certain groups of people more than others, considering how Americans think about policing groups at different rates, i don't think that would go down well in America

futurist_wizard: Or Europe for that matter

himekokatagiri: The world peaked in 1962, let's all own it

maintcrew: i think its literally the opposite like
ur lobotomized state -> assume everyone is dumb
anarchy/libertarian -> assume everyone is smart

himekokatagiri: the music is reversible, but time is not!

himekokatagiri: TURN BACK!

himekokatagiri: TURN BACK!!

himekokatagiri: TURN BACK!!!

himekokatagiri: ⏰

alejandrozarzuelo: Sure, but the point is that, when crime is basically zero, you don't need to do that except on marginal cases

And you do you get crime to be zero? A surveillance state AND reducing inequality and poverty

The latter part is one Singapore should improve upon

maintcrew: music peaked in 2008 with the release of the much celebrated album Graduation by controversial figure Kanye West

himekokatagiri: well yeah pop music in 1962 was dire

himekokatagiri: especially with all the fad dances

himekokatagiri: but rock and roll was rocking

himekokatagiri: holy shit music today is just like 1962

futurist_wizard: Surveillance state

futurist_wizard: The only way we get out of this is if AI takes over

himekokatagiri: anyhow if you wanna listen to the hell that was music in 1959 - 1963 just look at what charted

himekokatagiri: not YouTube comps

himekokatagiri: because those only comp the best

alejandrozarzuelo: I don't assume everyone is stupid and dumb

I assume that people are not fit to decide on most cases, but I include myself on this

The irrationality of democracy is asking a physicist and a mathematician about which healthcare system is best and asking a nurse about climate change on the same ballot

People aren't stupid, we are ignorant simply because we cannot possibly know everything

This is why we need a technocratic system (with some democratic counterbalances)


hikukomoru: And why is it men only

trent_k: oh, so kinda halfway between the two points i mentioned haha

trojan09205: 0 vag

trojan09205: Cause masonry is only for men

trojan09205: I was just a guest

trent_k: 👏 FEMCELS 👏 STOP 👏 INVADING 👏 GAY 👏 MENS' 👏 SPACES 👏

hikukomoru: Sounds like it sucks

trent_k: going down to the lodge for a bit of cruising

hikukomoru: Why isn't there masonry for women only too

trojan09205: Lol

trojan09205: There is

hikukomoru: Awesome

trojan09205: It is basically a frat for adults

trojan09205: Had dinner. Saw the masonic temple and heard like two/three speeches

Met a bunch of people

trent_k: if you gain enough EXP within the freemasons, you get to go to the parties where hillary clinton eats babies alive

trent_k: her jaw unhinges like a snake

hikukomoru: Isn't mason lodges just a bunch of nerds doing secret handshakes

trojan09205: Yah fr fr lol

trent_k: ive been told that obama and hillary both smell like sulfur

trojan09205: I mean most of the guys were pretty dope. Some govt officials and in general they were just talking about charity events and like self betterment

They asked the guests to introduce themselves but then we and the lower rank masons had to leave

trojan09205: They invited me for drinks after they were done but i was mad tired and i had the puppy in the crate

trent_k: being told, as a man, to leave the room, by another man?

hikukomoru: Puppy is more important than mason nerds

trojan09205: Lol 😂

trent_k: I couldn't look my wife in the eyes afterwards if I were commanded out of the room like an unruly pet

trojan09205: Well luckily i replaced my wife with a husky recently so i have no master to report to anymore lol

st.sioux: what kind of evil man transforms his wife into a husky

trent_k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II-XC8-6_tY

trojan09205: A trans man

trent_k: zoomers will never produce a cultural equivalent of gg allin

trojan09205: Bruh idk why discord doesnt let me play embedded videos in the app anymore

hikukomoru: Furry

trojan09205: Im thinking of maybe trying out a picketball pickup league or something with my friend soon

st.sioux: lol

zoermena: <:Smirk:1074000293123063828>

trojan09205: <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>

trojan09205: Being with people irl outside of my circle did make me wonder how much the average normy old knows about AI

st.sioux: not much

trojan09205: Which is totally bananas

zoermena: I hope I’m not starting to sound tiring but whenever this topic comes up I have this to say, I’ve met like 3 people who are paying for GPT plus who only used 4o base model and never touched the other reasoner models. That’s how bad it is.


trojan09205: You need a PhD in ML and practical experience with modeling and transformers or similar architectures to be an AI researcher job

spicy.lemonade: not for student researcher

spicy.lemonade: more like apprentice

fractalcomputer: I think humanity would be far better off enslaving the 99,9% of the population in order to fund and supply resources to monasteries dedicated for pure mathematics.

spicy.lemonade: lead phd leads project and you do other stuff you can handle

trojan09205: Okay honestly ive been out of school for a while i dont really follow the student stuff. I work in the big boy industry haha

artemisfowl887394: Yeah, you're morally bankrupt.

trojan09205: I only have a bachelors but i know i need my phD if i want to seriously scale up

Though i do a lot of analogous work to them

spicy.lemonade: I would go into electrical engineering & robotics but holy shit i suck at it. im so bad

spicy.lemonade: no intuition

anathemaofmankind: Taken unironically, how so

futurist_wizard: How would that even work

trojan09205: What do you actually love to study

trojan09205: I got my degree in statistics

futurist_wizard: 99.9% can't even perform any advanced math

futurist_wizard: Enslaving them is pointless

artemisfowl887394: Slavery scares the fuck out of me. Also, slaves don't make great thinkers or warriors.

spicy.lemonade: AI/ML and cs

fractalcomputer: Yes, I do not believe in morals.

anathemaofmankind: 🔥

fractalcomputer: We need people to work in the mines and the fields.

trojan09205: Okay then keep at that bro. I think if you love what you do, work is a blessing

I love my job

artemisfowl887394: Mines and the fields in the Age of AI

anathemaofmankind: Humans are cheaper than optimus

artemisfowl887394: Hi Donald Trump

trojan09205: Idk why this statement reminds me of the guy from hmolpedia

fractalcomputer: Especially the children, they yearn for the mines. The brightest and most brilliant gems of the young age ripen in the mines.

anathemaofmankind: Nigerian slave costs $0.2 per day

fractalcomputer: Who said anything about AI?

spicy.lemonade: 💔 need to drop out of my ee class and retake. might get a c if i dont get A on final(im not getting an A on that final)

futurist_wizard: How will the brightest minds perform math if they are in the mines

trojan09205: GPA doesnt matter just pass the class

spicy.lemonade: it matters for clout here bro

spicy.lemonade: everyone at berkeley is so stuck up

okbut: Better yet drop this in a GPT's CI/memory etc. for a cool synonym/antonym grabber or rewriter
```If the user message begins with any of the commands in the framework below, apply its defined instructions to the command's subsequent query. /r - Rewrite with professional spelling, grammar, tone, and format, ; /syn - Provide 20 synonyms; /ant - Provide 20 antonyms```

Hey cool there's one of them

artemisfowl887394: Fractal, you scare me, if you get access to a God Simulation. I wonder what you'll do.

trojan09205: Just keep ur grades to yourself

fractalcomputer: Trust me, if they're any good, they'll start thinking about mathematics in no time.

futurist_wizard: Being a god to me would be very boring, restrictions make life interesting

anathemaofmankind: Fractal is trolling


spicy.lemonade: one shot

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: stone

spicy.lemonade: let me add inventory

spicy.lemonade: my god

spicy.lemonade: cursor like 10x's

spicy.lemonade: the performance

spicy.lemonade: wtf does cursor do

spicy.lemonade: god damn

spicy.lemonade:

st.sioux: is that obsidian

spicy.lemonade: the arm has an animation too

spicy.lemonade: idk just some red block

st.sioux: thought u were building a portal to the nether for a sec

spicy.lemonade: hmm

spicy.lemonade: lemme ask it to make nether

spicy.lemonade: and netherportal mechanics

st.sioux: hype

sieventer:

spicy.lemonade: "generating"

spicy.lemonade: moment of truth

gamerbath: this o3?

gamerbath: is that a nether portal?

spicy.lemonade: bruh game closes when i leave the page

spicy.lemonade: let me try again

spicy.lemonade: lighted and crashed

spicy.lemonade: should be easy fix

spicy.lemonade: Oh?

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: It teleported me off the map

spicy.lemonade: 💀

spicy.lemonade: Wow that actually kinda worked

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: idk where i am

st.sioux: lol thats crazy

spicy.lemonade: should also be an easy fix

drewsni: What is this?

st.sioux: youre in the nether there is just no nether

spicy.lemonade: yeah

spicy.lemonade: minecraft clone


himekokatagiri: 😭 this is what they took away from us

ailoveyoom: We def need more HP Lovecraft pfps here

himekokatagiri: idk

himekokatagiri: the only thing I know about Lovecraft is they made an rpg of his works

himekokatagiri: and it's awesome

himekokatagiri: because you can be a mafioso going insane fighting crawlies in the night while your world falls apart

himekokatagiri: https://youtu.be/piP9Atfh6Hs

aero447: Highly concerning, the inexorable encroachment of the anime avatar demographic which presents itself as both cultural inevitability and curious sociological bellwether vis-à-vis our collective online existence.

aero447: The proliferation of these stylized Japanese illustrations as personal totems reflects not merely aesthetic preference but perhaps something more profound about our desperate need for identity formation in digital spaces where corporeal presence has been replaced by carefully curated iconography.

aero447: And yet one can't help but notice how these very avatars with their impossible eye to face ratios and hair colors existing nowhere in nature's electromagnetic spectrum create a kind of visual white noise that paradoxically homogenizes while purporting to individuate.

retrerox: Soon ai will be weeb too

retrerox: Agi = anime general intelligence

hikukomoru: HEY
Get your hands away from him
He's mine

aero447: Stop claiming ownership of MichMach, he's far too much for any one user.

aero447: 😮💨

himekokatagiri: whaaaaa

himekokatagiri: c'mon komoru

himekokatagiri: I'm lonely okay

realelonmuskx: WE MUST REPOPULATE

gamerbath: elon haven't you done that enough already?

futurist_wizard: Eep

futurist_wizard:

realelonmuskx: i need to repopulate more

aero447: Not if you're going to keep calling them ever dumber names.

himekokatagiri: <@1136405168875909302> if you turn me into a cute girl

himekokatagiri: I'll let you do it

realelonmuskx: Ω-9 Cipher will be born soon

realelonmuskx: yes, ill give you attention, food and entretainment

aero447: 🤔

aero447: But anime requires very low intelligence to enjoy?

aero447: Too low for AGI.

aero447: 😉

himekokatagiri: idk I wanna be aero's wife ngl

himekokatagiri: Aeroooo

himekokatagiri: we can be happy together

himekokatagiri: our child can be called aeroplane

himekokatagiri: or aeromobile

realelonmuskx: you can. we just have to repopulate then youre free

himekokatagiri: 😭

himekokatagiri: transhumanism is gonna be so cool


spicy.lemonade: also eh

spicy.lemonade: if you have negative energy

spicy.lemonade: arguable

spicy.lemonade: if you can pull things in

spicy.lemonade: whose to say you cant push things away

spicy.lemonade: every action has an equal and opposite reaction

spicy.lemonade: 🤷♂

spicy.lemonade: asi will figure out

spicy.lemonade: prompt 7: make warp drives

spicy.lemonade: using knowledge from last 3

alejandrozarzuelo: btw

alejandrozarzuelo: sora is not very good at image gen just yet

alejandrozarzuelo: i asked for

alejandrozarzuelo: Una imagen fotográfica estilizada de la ciudad de Roma en un universo alternativo donde el Imperio Romano no cayó, sino que prosperó hasta el siglo XIX, combinando tecnología avanzada con su estética clásica.

La escena muestra una vista amplia de la ciudad al atardecer. El cielo está bañado de tonos dorados y rosados, reflejando sobre las cúpulas doradas de templos y edificios administrativos de estilo romano, pero con un toque industrial. Las calles empedradas están bordeadas por columnas corintias que ahora sirven de soporte a faroles eléctricos alimentados por tubos de vapor visibles en sus bases.

El elemento central es un gigantesco acueducto que atraviesa la ciudad de lado a lado. A diferencia de los antiguos, este no transporta agua, sino que funciona como vía para un metro elevado. Vagones de tren estilizados con ornamentación romana (relieves de laureles, efigies de emperadores, inscripciones en latín) avanzan silenciosamente por rieles sostenidos por los arcos monumentales del acueducto. Emite pequeñas nubes de vapor que se disipan entre los arcos mientras los ciudadanos, vestidos con túnicas adaptadas a la moda del siglo XIX, observan desde abajo o esperan en estaciones ubicadas junto a los arcos.

En el fondo, el Coliseo ha sido transformado en un teatro de ópera, con una marquesina de cristal y acero y anuncios de espectáculos iluminados. Aquí y allá se ven centuriones motorizados patrullando en carros impulsados por mecanismos a vapor, mientras el Foro Romano está lleno de vida, mezclando comercio, ciencia y arte en armonía.

Toda la imagen respira un aire de grandeza imperial fusionada con el entusiasmo de la revolución industrial.

alejandrozarzuelo: and

alejandrozarzuelo: it gave me this

alejandrozarzuelo:

alejandrozarzuelo: bruh, where the fuck do the domes come from?

alejandrozarzuelo: floating platforms?

alejandrozarzuelo: not very good just yet

spicy.lemonade: wdym

spicy.lemonade: the 2 domes at the back?

spicy.lemonade: but yes this is quite bad

alejandrozarzuelo: yeah

alejandrozarzuelo: sora is good when there is not much detail

alejandrozarzuelo: ask something simple with 2-3 main things on the image and it works

spicy.lemonade: by sora do you mean 4o image gen intergtation or just sora

alejandrozarzuelo: but if you ask the image to have plenty of details

alejandrozarzuelo: this

alejandrozarzuelo: idk

alejandrozarzuelo: in 2-3 years im sure i will be good

alejandrozarzuelo: but now it is kinda mid

spicy.lemonade: nah

spicy.lemonade: 1

spicy.lemonade: 2-3 is crazy

spicy.lemonade: conscidering what image gen can do now

alejandrozarzuelo: im a '35-cel tho

spicy.lemonade: google is droping their next image gen soon

spicy.lemonade: will likely be much better

spicy.lemonade: youre underestimating progress


spicy.lemonade: anything that happens

spicy.lemonade: "its ai"

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/goon-squad-forever-lowtiergod-gif-2751141700300984799

spicy.lemonade: breaking news citizen seen arrested and stolen from family
trump: its ai lol

maintcrew: both persons are incredibly annoying

maintcrew: stg dont under why ppl listen to sabine

_3sphere: Her videos used to be good 😔

ailoveyoom: Did you watch her physics videos before she turned weird 🥺

ailoveyoom: I bet you watch PBS Space Time and unironically get what the guy is talking about on first watch

spacetimetsunami: You can too you just gotta start from the beginning and do a little reading

precariousworlds.: I remember she made a video about the decline of Germany and went into a tangent on how Germany needs to be 'feared' again lmaooo

memlaswaif: She's basically the physics version of David shapiro, very opinionated person but it's the wrong opinion 90% of the time and also doesn't like to accept when she's wrong

seventales: are you fucking talking about me

memlaswaif: <:PeepoHide:825752147777814528>

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: i like this

spicy.lemonade: this should become a standard

spicy.lemonade: for research papers

_3sphere: Medieval manuscript but with anime

spicy.lemonade: im turning all my latex papers into ghibli

spicy.lemonade: throwback

spicy.lemonade: this was 2022

spicy.lemonade: good times

spicy.lemonade: gets perfect score btw

spicy.lemonade: but solved long time ago

spicy.lemonade: and by long time ago i mean 2023

spicy.lemonade: 😭

_3sphere: All this means nothing without executive function working

_3sphere: hope METR scaling continues

alejandrozarzuelo: btw

alejandrozarzuelo: i was expecting reddit to collapse under the weight of artists

alejandrozarzuelo: (they are fat so it doesnt take too many of them)

spicy.lemonade: dalle 2 throwback:

alejandrozarzuelo: but i have barely seen any existential crisis

_3sphere: I guess they already accounted for future improvements in their past existential crisis

alejandrozarzuelo: nah

_3sphere: but also I'm with Fractal in finding this artist mocking off-putting

alejandrozarzuelo: the overwhelming idea people have is that AI art is slop

alejandrozarzuelo: they havent yet realized its over

alejandrozarzuelo: and i am like


ldj: -

<@269678268670672896> interactive version here where you can modify the future doubling rate, as well as being able to modify a hyperbolic growth factor of each doubling in capability being either faster/easier or slower/harder to achieve than the last doubling.

ldj: https://v0-t-agi-extraplation.vercel.app/

ldj: ignore the misspelling in the domain name lol

memlaswaif: gay and fake timeline

ldj: This is what the most optimistic timeline looks like lol
<@269678268670672896>

metaldragon01: wtf that looks faster than 4 months which i think its the current most optmistic

futurist_wizard: The brain4brain timeline

gamerbath: omg yes!!!! and this is coming from ldj so it's going to happen! <:redemption:1136265386984222771>

.coldcall: Amazing

ldj: This is if you assume 2 month doubling rate starting Jan 2025, and then on top of that assuming that each doubling after Jan 2025 happens 30% faster than the last. So 2 months to double, and then 1.6 months to double, and then 1.12 months to double, and then 0.784 months to double etc...

gamerbath: hyperbolic my beloved

spicy.lemonade: yeah

spicy.lemonade: a work day is 8 hours

ldj: This is just the most optimistic possible timeline available to configure in the interface, I think it's at the edge of realism at best though, the default trajectory I posted originally is what I think is most likely

spicy.lemonade: then you go home and go to sleep and summarize context

ldj: This is the version that I think is maybe the most optimistic while still being somewhat in the realm of possible: (3 month doubling after Jan 2025, plus 10% acceleration per doubling)

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: oh snap

spicy.lemonade: new architecture in development

spicy.lemonade: it feels like original Q* hype

spicy.lemonade: this time from deepmind

gamerbath: I think it's going to be something like this, not agreeing with the timescale and dates, but I think it's going to be very sudded. Like with arc-agi, at the start of 2024 barely 5% and within a year up to human-level. I think it's going to be similar with the percentage of economically valuable work being done by AI, it's going to be fast.

spicy.lemonade: i feel like when gpt5 comes out people will compare it to models that came out ~1 month ago

spicy.lemonade: and not gpt4

ldj: Correct

metaldragon01: i feel like it will be closer to 3-4 months

spicy.lemonade: Wdym

metaldragon01: the doubling time for task

spicy.lemonade: Also Sam did say they wanted slow takeoff

spicy.lemonade: And incremental jumps for public

spicy.lemonade: Imagine we jumped from original gpt 4 to reasoning gpt5

spicy.lemonade: Nothing in the middle

metaldragon01: even with incremental jumps its hard to avoid a fastish takeoff

spicy.lemonade: 💀

metaldragon01: the gap between 130 iq and 140 iq in task is massive

metaldragon01: more so for 140 -150

spicy.lemonade: Our minds would be blown if we were exposed to reasoners and image gen and everything from gpt 4

metaldragon01: incremental improvements = exponentially more task that can be done

metaldragon01: we are seeing not only more task but longer horizon on task as well

metaldragon01: if gpt 5 pro is the full o4 level model people will correct thier expectations enough


st.sioux: > The Justice Department has accused the former CEO of shopping startup Nate with fraud. Albert Saniger has been indicted and is accused of using human labor, but telling investors and customers the work was done with artificial intelligence.
>
> Startup tech company Nate promised consumers easier shopping with the help of artificial intelligence. But the Justice Department says there was no miracle tech behind the checkout app's transactions. Instead, they were handled by humans in the Philippines and Romania.

aero447:

theaiguy69420_89814: This is beyond stupid

retrerox: The "Time feels faster as you age" is relative.

dean_martin: So it’ll really fade if you’re not limited or as limited

retrerox: If we reach that  point i doubt we would even notice it

retrerox: Maybe people who knew what death was but as a fewer people get born and time passes we will eventually reach a point that nobody gonna care

retrerox: Tbh idk if actual immortality can be a thing but i believe we can actually increase the max life spawn

retrerox: People dont really pass away due "Being old".

retrerox: It just the fact when we age our bodie is more on risk to one of their part to stop functioning

retrerox: *more yapping*

.histic: <@1316552597829586955> does chatgpt say this for you too now?

st.sioux: yes, it used to say my name before

.histic: every time you refresh a new message appears.
chatgpt is copying anthropic's website now lol

.histic: oh yeah

st.sioux: oh wait youre right

.histic: it doesn't seem to change every refresh, but it does change it seems.

.histic: eh nvm, seems consistent

.histic: https://x.com/arithmoquine/status/1911483301984125219

professorheaven: Intelligence isn’t a measure of speed, it’s a measure of computing power. More computing power will give you faster inference and therefore, faster responses

wellmeaningalien: bro throwing words around

_cloudost: I've seen a "tech' company website back in 2023, they claimed their AI generates 3D models fast when in reality there was no AI involved, the company used desperate 3D artists for each request, ( the artists had to make the model in less than 10 minutes and quickly send it to the customer )

wellmeaningalien: proof?

wellmeaningalien: bro just saying things

_cloudost: Don't remember the name, but I've seen them get exposed

abundantliving_: there is a similar one

abundantliving_: https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/10/fintech-founder-charged-with-fraud-after-ai-shopping-app-found-to-be-powered-by-humans-in-the-philippines/

abundantliving_:

abundantliving_: Openrouter generating 2 Trillion tokens per week

abundantliving_:

okbut: https://www.businessinsider.com/amazons-just-walk-out-actually-1-000-people-in-india-2024-4

okbut: This is the direction I predict for household humanoids too

destrucules: Continual 👏 learning 👏

destrucules: Look at all that data

destrucules: Beautiful

destrucules: 2 months of training, 20+ trillion tokens, you can just... Always be training

destrucules: The inference is the training run

abundantliving_: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-10-15/tesla-optimus-bots-were-remotely-operated-at-cybercab-event

abundantliving_: it was already happening

abundantliving_: yes , its beautiful 😌


return_to_monke1_33974: or it allready is

return_to_monke1_33974: better

alejandrozarzuelo: bah

alejandrozarzuelo: einstein only did the last 10% of the work

alejandrozarzuelo: maxwell already did like, 40% of the work to get to relativity

alejandrozarzuelo: and the other 50% was the math tools that were invented decades earlier

alejandrozarzuelo: 90% of relativity was already done before Einstein came along

alejandrozarzuelo: so this is not that impressive

return_to_monke1_33974: Einstein is not impressive ? 🙏 💀

alejandrozarzuelo: i mean sure, but like its not as if he came with relativity from nothing

return_to_monke1_33974: true

alejandrozarzuelo: if you know that relativity is a thing, then deriving it from 1900's physics is not that hard

the real key was realizing that such a theory made sense

alejandrozarzuelo: because most of the work was already done

alejandrozarzuelo: dont get me wrong its impressive, but we have the benefit of hindsight

return_to_monke1_33974: Einstein was truly an amazing genius
But i dont get why some people say that others "pale in comparaison"
like when talking about Hawking and others

alejandrozarzuelo: oh please dont compare einstein with hawkins, hawkins was the last phisicist there will ever be and that is even a bit of a stretch while einstein was a truly real physicist

return_to_monke1_33974: lol

alejandrozarzuelo: its just that he has the aura of coming up with things by himself when thats not true

alejandrozarzuelo: but einstein was a real physicist

alejandrozarzuelo: theres noone alive or will ever be that will be a physicist with majuscule again, but thats ok

brain4brain: Google co-scientist

brain4brain: ASI is smarter than all of humanity combined

return_to_monke1_33974: isnt that the Singularity ?

return_to_monke1_33974: ASI smarter than the Smartest Human

return_to_monke1_33974: Singularity : intelectual ouput as much as all humans

okbut: Booted Linux for the first time, what's that cool rm rf command everyone recommends

brain4brain: Singularity is an event, not an intelligence

brain4brain: AGI
Superhuman AGI
ASI

brain4brain: Thats there tier list

brain4brain: Demis definition falls between superhuman AGI and AGI

maintcrew: sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root / is the classic but i think an equally damaging and more sneaky is sudo rm -rf /home/username and you lie and tell that does something with your user

maintcrew: like "it clears the password" or some shit

3ds0662: hmm when is r2 release man this is getting me excited

3ds0662: april 29th today almost may

3ds0662: they've been silent for the most part

alejandrozarzuelo: the rumours said that they would release on mayday

3ds0662: ?

alejandrozarzuelo: today is april 30

alejandrozarzuelo: yeah

3ds0662: oh shit 30th even worse


.histic: he named it that to get attention?

.histic: also, that Quasar model reminds me of 4o.
the structure, personality, and format.

.histic: no other model i've tried reminds me of it.

spicy.lemonade: most liekely

spicy.lemonade: a small strartup cant serve that many people lol

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: gpt5 mini?

spicy.lemonade: wait guys

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: we are at the codename cycle again

spicy.lemonade: <:ez:1136267305521774634>

spicy.lemonade: strawberry

spicy.lemonade: orion

spicy.lemonade: quasar

spicy.lemonade: its time

ailoveyoom: Oh fml I didn't consider that lol

ailoveyoom: Was too hype 😔

ailoveyoom: Tbf I think the Quasar Alpha model was 1M context too tho right?

.histic: yeah.

okbut: OAI loves their space names, but I don't think they were "nebula"

.histic: also, that guys account is very suspect.
https://x.com/SILXLAB/status/1909007813784838397
and this claim, "We trained the 400B model at less cost than most SOTA models that goes less than $100K.
Thanks to our Token Temperature Mechanism, we improved attention over long contexts allowing us to scale context without losing accuracy."

is also.. not believable.
i'm not LLM expert, but for a small startup to do that.. you'd expect it to make the news.

.histic: (that tweet is their first tweet)

ailoveyoom: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

ailoveyoom: <@312370916820779040> Is this guy legit

.histic: and the first tweet was on April 6th, with Quasar model dropping days before that. seems like they’re just grifters trying to ride the hype.

.histic: he's too busy sipping margaritas in his waymo getaway car.
also, he might be 😴 now.

ailoveyoom: Or they could be a stealth lab 🥺

ailoveyoom: Then he'll see it when he's awake 😤

rayanquitplayin: What does the 400B and 1m context mean?

destrucules: 400 billion parameters (weights and biases - the numbers that determine the "code" of a model) and 1 million tokens of context, meaning the model can ingest just under 1 million tokens of text input and still produce meaningful output based on that input.

rayanquitplayin: Ok thank you

spicy.lemonade: nothing dropped this week

spicy.lemonade: better see multiple drops tmr

destrucules: Supposedly Qwen3 in "hours"

destrucules: So tomorrow morning presumably

spicy.lemonade: 🙏

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: sigh

spicy.lemonade: wont be sota

spicy.lemonade: i sleep


perish0801: No it’s a feeling you get when you have above femboy levels of testosterone. You wouldnt know

hikukomoru: I don't like kids either
Never gonna have em

alejandrozarzuelo: Not just that, if you have a kid that kid may decide to not have kids

trent_k: While you cope about how it's "not the right time to bring a kid into the world" there's an indentured servant immigrant woman paid $6/hr to clean cum stains out of the sheets at the local crack motel, and she's managing just fine

st.sioux: what if your kid kills themselves

alejandrozarzuelo: Dude that's not true

hikukomoru: This is some neanderthal mindest bruh

trojan09205: Life literally hangs on by a thread

perish0801: And your pronouns are boo/bee

trojan09205: we are alllucky as fuck to be alive

hikukomoru: What's wrong my pronouns Mr. Perish

trojan09205: dude my macbook spacebar just is stuck or something it sometimes makes me press space twice

futurist_wizard: You are likely a manlet, being a cave creature isn't anything to brag about

fractalcomputer: I don't know, I'd feel great not existing.

perish0801: Nothing we just have difference worldviews and that’s okay

himekokatagiri: alright lads calm down

trojan09205: you have that choice - if you're alive today you're a miracle combined with free choice

perish0801: Cope and seethe

trent_k: Pretending to be somehow above your basic biological impulses is retarded. 🤓 uhm akshually according to the rules of facts and logic 🤓

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/megamind-lol-smiley-face-funny-text-gif-15779834

futurist_wizard: I don't justify my biological impulses through some veil of masculinity

himekokatagiri: I just wanna have sex 😭

perish0801: Because you lack it

trojan09205: do it then

memlaswaif: what the incel shit going on

himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/talentless-nana-anime-nana-hiiragi-shocked-geschockt-gif-12417258017555057613

alejandrozarzuelo: You should have kids or not regardless of Wether you want your genes to be passed on or not

You may have kids and they might turn out to be trans, sterile, gay/lesbian (doesn't make impossible to have kids just harder) or simply uninterested

People who have kids to get their genes passed for eons are the kinds of fathers that get angry when their children either refuse to have sex or are an identity that rarely has children (these people tend to be very transfobic as their children being so is an affront to their genetic project)

fractalcomputer: They are politely discussing among themselves whether one would feel nice having children.

futurist_wizard: I don't care about it, you are a manlet

perish0801: Cry more

memlaswaif: noo i literally have bpd 😭 '

alejandrozarzuelo: You are then a coward or a hypocrite

trojan09205: You just used the word manlet and i just came across the word on a reddit post

hikukomoru: Least deranged r/singularity argument

theaiguy69420_89814: Honestly, consciousness is kind of dumb. The issue is the others. If it was just me in consciousness, things would be great

perish0801: I’ll have my genes present in thousands of people in millenia while you’ll have none

theaiguy69420_89814: Maybe just spawn a kid so they can FDVR

trojan09205: looked up this girl elizabeth debicki who is tall as fuck

fractalcomputer: Is it so shameful to admit to being a coward?

ailoveyoom: Alejandro be nice maybe it's depression you never know 😭🥺


retrerox: Soon we will wonder how we lived without ai as we wondered before how we lived without gps

_3sphere: I wonder what would be built if we had religions that call for it, like the ancient Egyptians

_3sphere: Pyramid level of effort but with modern construction

zonchao: https://x.com/bengrossbg/status/1908711259681210793?t=ESl1W83XAQsiCoh7-PNXhg&s=19 big

brain4brain: Should've done it with real money, it's not too late should I do it with real money

brain4brain: Shorting until it's at the lowest and taking profit to buy

zonchao: https://x.com/euaccofficial/status/1909225030354940326?

retrerox: Pirámids were made by human slaves

retrerox: Humans make wonders when you force them to do it

bob082957: https://youtu.be/QzZ97noEapA?si=aOfS0PCEaXf23Whq

bob082957: Aider as MCP in ClaudeCode to reduce costs

_3sphere: Slaves with modern tech could still do more than a few people with modern tech

_3sphere: I didn't specify ethics 🙃

retrerox: I mean we are technically slaving the technology

retrerox: They are just more efficient than humans on mostly everything

_cloudost: Grok is better at fact checking than Gemini 2.5 and Deepseek, Deepseek claimed this incident happened in Germany when in reality there is no such case involving an Egyptian couple naming their child "Adolf' Hitler", Gemini said it's a real incident and provided made up links to the "case" , Grok is a great AI against disinformation and misinformation.

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/lucky-star-konata-ls-yap-yapping-gif-8406780761891028091

hikukomoru: Tbh they weren’t actually built by slaves

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/luntry-luntryifunny-luntryy-gif-26563187

wryyth: who built it then

_cloudost: I opened TikTok and there was again a viral video posted 1 hour ago of the OPENAI whistleblower, PEOPLE STILL BELIEVE Altman murdered him even though there was an independent autopsy confirming he killed himself

wryyth: <@505313122802728972> have you seen baka and test?

hikukomoru: Paid labourers
At the time the pyramids were built currency like coins didn’t exist yet so they were paid with food and good booze

hikukomoru: No

wryyth: it's an anime

wryyth: what's your top 10 anime?

_cloudost: Some retard  just said on TikTok that DeepSeek is better than ChatGPT

hikukomoru: Madoka Magica
Re Zero
Higurashi
NHK
Made in Abyss
Evangelion
Overlord
Watamote
Bocchi
K-on

_cloudost: Btw Touhou isn't anime

hikukomoru: Shut up

_cloudost: https://tenor.com/view/anime-cringe-anime-didnt-ask-no-one-asked-who-asked-gif-19583625

memlaswaif: <:uwu:1136266737420079195> <:uwu:1136266737420079195> overlord

memlaswaif: I need to watch that

.wolfnacht: i know a guy who's parents named him "saddam hussein" he's having alot of trouble getting a job...

_cloudost: He can change his name anytime he wants...

futurist_wizard:

okbut: Is it over yet

okbut: Anyone know what model "harley" is on LMSys?

zonchao: https://x.com/ns123abc/status/1909251152459321652?

_wwwwww: Dump eeet


spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: 5% jump

spicy.lemonade: not bad

spicy.lemonade: simple bench may be saturated by eoy

joaoluz19: Join the glorious evolution

gamerbath: all of them will be <:prayge:981798930113249300>

wellmeaningalien: does it

wellmeaningalien: unless its a new incredible revolution

wellmeaningalien: i wonder what score the model to get 80% on simple bench will get on arc agi 2

wellmeaningalien: google really done cooked

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: this isnt good

spicy.lemonade: we need better in context learning

metaldragon01: They didn't train on the training set I bet

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: i guess deepmind is the most trustworthy

spicy.lemonade: led by demis after all

wellmeaningalien: yeah thats weird

wellmeaningalien: how is the model that is quite literally better at everything scoring lower than o3 mini

theaiguy69420_89814: Avg human score is 60%

theaiguy69420_89814: I think it's fine, lol

theaiguy69420_89814: They're both fluid IQ tests, really

theaiguy69420_89814: One harder than the other

spicy.lemonade: why does the human panel cost 17 dollars lol

theaiguy69420_89814: The whole "needs to see symbolism vs visual patterns" is just another way to say "V2 is bigger abstraction"

spicy.lemonade: howd they calculate that number

theaiguy69420_89814: No idea lol

spicy.lemonade: everyone will call whatever model that saturates arc 2 agi I bet

spicy.lemonade: itl be a hype moment

_cloudost: Huh didn't Gemini 2.5 get 82%

_cloudost: 92%

spicy.lemonade: no

_cloudost: When do we get o3

_cloudost: I'm tired of o3-mini

wellmeaningalien: probably never cause its way too expensive

spicy.lemonade: aparently o3 does the same think as o1 pro

spicy.lemonade: according to arc agi page

spicy.lemonade: where it generates multiple answers and filters

spicy.lemonade:

theaiguy69420_89814: Funnily enough I bet ARC-AGI 2 will be solved naturally once we get "innovators" done (after agents). Models that go beyond known facts.


hikukomoru: I just mentioned two previously

.histic: dxd maybe

.histic: i don't know if he is considered shy though
just a dork

wellmeaningalien: chainsaw man but denji is cool and badass and awesome

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/chainsaw-man-chainsaw-man-anime-anime-chainsaw-man-denji-power-gif-26903522

futurist_wizard: Toughest anime watcher

wellmeaningalien: these days anime is really popular tho

joaoluz19: One punch? Death note?

wellmeaningalien: like literally everyone around me is talking about jujutsu kaisen or one piece or demon slayer

joaoluz19: Jujutsu too

wellmeaningalien: well light yagami gets precisely 1 pussy and arguably isn't really weak and lanky but

wellmeaningalien: oh yeah speaking of recent anime

wellmeaningalien: dandadan

wellmeaningalien: dandadan is precisely one of the anime most fitting of that description

hikukomoru: I haven't watched it yet

joaoluz19: I don't remember the anime but I think there were more people who liked him

hikukomoru: But i've heard it's the anime that's saving modern anime or smth idek I saw it on twitter

wellmeaningalien: nah

wellmeaningalien: besides those who draw light kissing L

hikukomoru: Wasn't it just that crazy blonde girl

wellmeaningalien: twitter 💔

wellmeaningalien: nah

wellmeaningalien: its fine

wellmeaningalien: dungeon meshi and frieren are better

wellmeaningalien: chainsaw man solos

wellmeaningalien: denji solos the shit out of okarun

wellmeaningalien: oh yeah also speaking of tatsuki fujimoto ive been reading fire punch recently and like its kinda cool but WOW its weird as hell

wellmeaningalien: like some scenes are

wellmeaningalien:

hikukomoru: I loved fire punch

wellmeaningalien: ok

wellmeaningalien: say no more

wellmeaningalien: cause im still reading

hikukomoru: It's so fucking wierd

hikukomoru: Tell me what point you're at

wellmeaningalien: the first chapter LMFAO

hikukomoru: 🥀

wellmeaningalien: i was literally in the metro and i closed the book when i got to the scene where one of the characters was BUTT NAKED

hikukomoru: I hope you atleast recognize that meme face

hikukomoru: That the mc does