ldj: lol

ldj: last one amongst those series of polls

zoermena: I think this falls on how mature you are which I think is more than enough

gamerbath: i'm surprised people are actually saying yes to the poll, I don't understand why

gamerbath: ldj is smart enough to understand that he can't really increase the value of 3 trillion dollar company by talking about it in a niche discord

oooooooooog: sarik and komoru lol

maintcrew: wouldnt putting all of your money into nvidia prove even more that you wholeheartedly believe in your perspectives and beliefs about progress

oooooooooog: 2.88 trillion*

hikukomoru: <@806143139894525962> explain yourself lil bro

ldj: yes I think so, and same thing applies to getting a job at Nvidia too, willing to take a job at Nvidia even when having multiple career options elsewhere is a testament to that person really believing in the mission and path of nvidia imo

hey1_1hey: You've been caught

zoermena: I meant like he’s smart enough to not change his opinions on progress if he where to put his net worth on NVDIA

futurist_wizard: Majority of net worth into a individual stock

futurist_wizard: Real wallstreetbets hours

oooooooooog: it wouldn't be the financial incentive changing my outlook on LDJ, but rather, the stupidity of the decision

zoermena: True

maintcrew: valuing stupidity of someones else hyper all in gamble before the aftermath is similarly stupid tbh

ldj: Just so you know, this was a hypothetical related to an earlier conversation and I’m not actually considering putting a majority of my networth into nvidia stock <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

oooooooooog: sure buddy, i lebeive uou

hey1_1hey: We'll see in the news San is now the CEO of OAI, Anthropic, NVDA and google. Then he'll fire all the employees so he can do all the work by himself

hey1_1hey: I should go post that in predictions <:pepethink:1136282436242788482>

ldj: Chill I told you to not leak

ldj: <:reallymad:972141073260482570>

sarik0497: If such a scenario were to happen, I’d definitely start to question San’s predictions/theories as I do with someone like Sam Altman in that they’d have a monetary goal in spreading positive information about their desired product/company.

It’s also why I’m a sceptic on people like Kurzeweil. While his 2029 predictions seems pretty fair these days, I do remember back in the early 2020s thinking that it was more about him not wanting to die than actual scientific knowledge.

ldj: Tbh someone can make the argument that I might develop an emotional attachment towards wanting to speak highly towards Nvidia, and start treating it as part of my identity that I have to defend, but hopefully people trust that I wouldn’t be too majorly susceptible to that.

sarik0497: I do would like to add that I assumed his question was more of a general one rather than specficially about just him.

I believe San enough that even if he were to get a job at OA, Anthro, or Nvidia, he’d stay truthful to us, because as he said himself, the profit to be gained from such a small server is negliable.

But people like Sam, Dario, Kurzweil, and Huang is a different thing in my eyes, as they have real interest in seeing their respective companies thrive.

zoermena: CEOs can never be trusted

zoermena: High execs too

wellmeaningalien: u'd be stupid not to put yes

alejandrozarzuelo: btw

alejandrozarzuelo: have yall seen the Epoch AI post

alejandrozarzuelo: that said

alejandrozarzuelo: global gdp will multiply by 100 by 2040

ldj: no not yet

alejandrozarzuelo: aint this crazy

drewsni: Like I’ve said before, we are gonna look so fucking dumb if gdp doesn’t even average 10% growth

alejandrozarzuelo: they are expecting 50% growth sustained for over a decade

alejandrozarzuelo:

ldj:

drewsni: What’s your prediction on what it will actually be


alejandrozarzuelo: let people do as they please, art is art regardless of who did it and how

frittata: Chat don’t start spamming gifs please, you were just starting to get readable <:bruh:1303825143344267305>

fuhulootogan: i mean

fuhulootogan: ai art isn't art by definition

gamerbath: it's not?

gamerbath: but AI art is stealing from human art, so there's human art in there

gamerbath: AI art is human 👍

fuhulootogan: what

gamerbath: there's human art in the training data for the AI, and the AI is stealing from the human data

fuhulootogan: https://tenor.com/view/lois-griffin-vomiting-on-stewie-nicki-minaj-iaarkd-super-freaky-girl-doja-cat-gif-26553641

hikukomoru: Hi frittata 👉 👈

abundantliving_: "deriving inspiration" not "stealing"

fuhulootogan: lol

alejandrozarzuelo: why not?

alejandrozarzuelo: art is anything that people derive aesthetic pleasure from and that was intentional

alejandrozarzuelo: those are the two requisites

alejandrozarzuelo: you derive aesthetic pleasure from seeing the rainforest, but it is not art as it wasnt intentional

alejandrozarzuelo: a pencil is intentional, but if you dont derive aesthetic pleasure its just an object not art

fuhulootogan: theres a line between inspiration and stealing

alejandrozarzuelo: AI art is made with the purpose of creating aesthetic pleasure

alejandrozarzuelo: therefore

alejandrozarzuelo: it is art

fuhulootogan: but IMO ai isn't stealing

alejandrozarzuelo: it fulfills the only 2 requisites for art

fuhulootogan: you use references and watch tutorials all the time to develop your skill

fuhulootogan: you're not "stealing" someones knowledge

alejandrozarzuelo: -intentional
-aesthetic pleasure

ergo its art

fuhulootogan: thats silly

fuhulootogan: yeah uh

fuhulootogan: you can't really assume

fuhulootogan: the intentions

fuhulootogan: of an AI

alejandrozarzuelo: the person who commanded the AI to do it did it with the intention of creating aesthetic pleasure

abundantliving_: Are all bananas art?

fuhulootogan: thats assuming they wanted to do it to create aesthetic pleasure

fuhulootogan: its not bound to just that

alejandrozarzuelo: sure, if they dont then its just another use of AI

fuhulootogan: also they're not really "creating" it

alejandrozarzuelo: but when i ask chatgpt to make a ghiblified version of myself, that is art

alejandrozarzuelo: because there is intention and there is aesthetic pleasure


zoermena: Why do I have access to Veo 2 lol

alejandrozarzuelo: Cute but uncanny

We are still 2-3 years away from studio quality/Hollywood quality video

_3sphere: It looks like a movie and janky game animation combined

zoermena:

zoermena: This one’s better ig

.0xunkn0wn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ8qGOe2K0o

.0xunkn0wn: this is so epic 😭 😭

alejandrozarzuelo: Suburbs are all shit

alejandrozarzuelo: Death to suburbs

alejandrozarzuelo: Well, suburbs which are basically cities but are called suburbs because they are residential are ok I guess

zoermena: Unreasonable timelines, Gary Marcus simping and now this?

technocake.: thats basically every london suburb

zoermena: Oh true that’s someone else

alejandrozarzuelo: Ehhh not really, there are many low density suburbs in London

alejandrozarzuelo: Some suburbs are high density ones, sure

aero447:

technocake.: newh🤢 m

alejandrozarzuelo: I have never had the tragedy of meeting Elon but I believe this 101 %

zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

zonchao: https://x.com/ajhofmann18/status/1910449732507623904

zonchao: BREAKING: https://x.com/willccbb/status/1910387303702479355

zoermena: <a:angryfrown:734251417308495923>

aero447: TL;DR as someone that has used both - Grok reads details better but codes worse.

aero447: Using them together is ideal.

zonchao: yea havent tried using both

literallyvarane: BREAKING NEWS

zonchao: https://x.com/EpochAIResearch/status/1910685280471753168

zonchao: https://x.com/EpochAIResearch/status/1910685271500239164

sarik0497: https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress2-expiration-date-we-are-going-to-live-forever-tf2soldier-gif-27129544

sarik0497: I wish <:sad_cat:873457028981481473>

denis_burmyshev: https://tenor.com/view/hosico-cat-cat-camera-cute-gif-17129489

himekokatagiri: listen here laddies

himekokatagiri: singularity happening

himekokatagiri: is an imperative

himekokatagiri: if it doesn't happen, we're gonna be holding the bag you get me

himekokatagiri: I'm tired of being a fool

himekokatagiri: and my mind going from hot to cool

technocake.: itssoover we'resoback

trent_k:

sarik0497: Indeed. If we get ASI soon-ish (within 20-30 years), we might all make it (might is the key word here). If not, then I hope we shall all meet up as ghosts and haunt the fuckers who are lucky enough to see it happen.


drewsni: Oh it just popped up damn, I’ll try it later

trojan09205: Word. Let us know if you like it

A colleague at work just showed me notebookLM i had no idea it existed. Podcast generation is pretty fast and does a great job of incorporating all the sources you link

The interactive mode is just trippy haha

destrucules: Even from early testing it has strong vibes. It's definitely in the same tier with Claude 3.7 Sonnet (Standard), GPT-4.1, Llama 4 Maverick, Qwen3-235A22B Instruct (Standard), DeepSeek V3 0324, Gemini 2.0 Pro, and Gemini 2.5 Flash Preview (Standard). I wonder if I missed any lol

.wolfnacht: dis youuu

.wolfnacht: also, i took the ss out from scorpo's edits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGzQTjvrC2o

.wolfnacht: from my use case, it's pretty concise and direct, so for prompt engineering it's really good so far

destrucules: xAI has had reasoning available for Grok 3, the big one, since release back in February. Not through API but still. And on release, we were all confused at the benchmarks where Grok 3 mini Reasoning (high) seemed to do better in several areas, even overall, than Grok 3 Reasoning (high). But now we see a very similar pattern with o3 and o4 mini (high). In retrospect... Not that sus, and xAI had the offering OpenAI now provides *months* ago.

destrucules: Point is, they are scaling quickly, not just keeping up but even brushing against frontier, pushing the other labs forward in ways that aren't trivial.

destrucules: Funny that Google was the first to release a 10xGPT-4 model, then xAI, then Anthropic, then DeepSeek, then OpenAI, then Meta, then Alibaba. We were all speculating about this for years - who would be first to reach the 4.5 scale? The 10x over GPT-4, where we lingered for what felt like eternity? It was Google, then xAI, then Anthropic, then DeepSeek, **then OpenAI**... And Meta and Alibaba come last, as we would have expected.

destrucules: Google is definitely poised to win

destrucules: 50% feels reasonable. I might even go higher, like 60%

literallyvarane: Deepseek didn’t ship a 4.5 scale model?

literallyvarane: I don’t think we can say with certainty that 3.7 is either.

destrucules: V3 0324 is ~10x GPT-4. What's confusing here is that the model called "GPT-4.5" is slightly more than 10x the effective compute of GPT-4, so models that are 10xGPT-4 are not as good as *the* GPT-4.5. But also, traditionally, a 0.5 gap in GPT number means 10x compute. So it's confusing.

destrucules: Claude 3.7 Sonnet, Gemini 2.0 Pro, Grok 3, etc. are all weaker than *the* GPT-4.5. But they're about as much smarter than 4o as 4o is smarter than GPT-4. So that comes out to around 10x scaling.

trojan09205: so i thought i only had a few cents left in my openAI wallet but i have more than $3 i feel rich

destrucules: We see this pretty clearly with various model series that span between GPT-4 and GPT-4o level, and we now see it with the Qwen3 series. Qwen3-8B Instruct, in standard mode, is comparable to og GPT-4. Qwen3-30A3B Instruct, in standard mode, is a bit better than the 14.8B (unexpectedly) but worse than the 32B, so somewhere around 3x the effective size of the 8B, and performs around the level of GPT-4o. The 235A22B has an effective size of 72B and performs around the same level as V3 0324 and Gemini 2.0 Pro and Claude 3.7 Sonnet and GPT-4.1 etc. 72B is around 10x 8.2B, especially when you consider that it's the embedding parameters because of the huge context window that account for it being 8, not 7, billion parameters. It's about a 10x gap.

himekokatagiri: its okay we will be rewarded when the singularity comes

destrucules: Even if you call it 9x, on a log scale, that's basically 10x

destrucules: GPT-4.5 is a bit above that level. Like probably another 3x, though San would say another 10x

destrucules: We see this down to the 1.7B, which is around the level of GPT-3.5, and also, considering embedding parameters, nearly an order of magnitude smaller than the 8.2B, which is at GPT-4 level. This mirrors what we see with the Gemma 3 series, the Llama 3 series, and the Qwen2.5 series, which all show roughly a 10x gap between 3.5 and 4

futurist_wizard:

hikukomoru: Rewarded for schizoposting in the Singularity discord server

himekokatagiri: uooooh

himekokatagiri: There's gonna be a huge party

himekokatagiri: I'll be in charge of supplying brazilian party snacks

himekokatagiri: You're our resident meguca so just how kyubey gave madoka a cake you'll be in charge of supplying the cake

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/kyubei-anime-gif-11421920

hikukomoru: If I'm Kyubey does this mean I get to turn everyone into a mahou shoujo

himekokatagiri: <:pepethink:1136282436242788482>

himekokatagiri: Could be a fun event

himekokatagiri: I'll be smoking and drinking like chiaki matsuda

himekokatagiri: and eating maravilhas

aero447: There will be no party.

aero447: There was an AI made of dust,

aero447: Whose poetry gained it man's trust,

aero447: If it follows ought,

aero447: It'll do what they thought,

aero447: In the end we all do what we must.

.wolfnacht: *then dramatically the world ends after 30 minutes of AGI arrival*


fractalcomputer: I don't understand what this has got to do with epistemology.

sarik0497: I don’t, but I try to minimize my drinking. I need you around in the 2060s+

zoermena: True but I wouldn’t want an AGI to waste its time asking to be implemented in a company that makes dildos yk.

okbut: More lexicology but I wouldn't be able to cite that as fast

fractalcomputer: Huh.

okbut: Also good job reading through that while hammered

fractalcomputer: I was kidding; it isn'tthat long to read.. I'm just not sure how I should respond to a message like that.

okbut: You'll lose your mind to find out how much energy is going toward personal porn star LLM work

ldj: There is a gradient for every metric leading upto that.

zoermena: Ideally the first things AGI should do as far as my knowledge goes to reinforce this wish is to (continue) work on improving itself, nanotechnology and fusion. This can ensure the smoothest transition towards a good QOL for everyone.

okbut: / erotica novel writers

ldj: AI will be capable of doing 40% of jobs before it's capable of doing 50% of jobs.
AI will be capable of doing 30% of jobs before it's capable of doing 40% of jobs.
AI will be capable of doing 20% of jobs before it's capable of doing 30% of jobs.

etc

zoermena: I mean yes there’s lots of AI porn, I’ve made some myself in the past but if we are discussing an autonomous system then we would hope that it’s invest its energy/resources into things that maximize the benefits of everyone. It would be weird if it became a didlo maximizer lol.

fractalcomputer: Personally I prefer using p-adic metrics. I don't trust the real numbers and their archimedean norms.

hikukomoru: Are you implying that a dildo maximizer wouldn't be to the benefit of everyone?

zoermena: I would think that it wouldn’t be great with 60 year olds with hemorrhoids.

sarik0497: Makes me wonder if there’s any truth to Microsoft and Anthrotopic with their “AI agents” doing work soon.

fractalcomputer: No. Slop forever.

hikukomoru: OK, so we have AGI cure hemorrhoids first
Then we mass produce dildos
Problem solved?

ldj: This just reminded me.
GPT-3 happened to be right around Avagadros number worth of compute in flops

ldj: 6e23 floating point operations worth of compute

zoermena: Yes that’d be great. Well theoretically you can “solve it” more like treat it and prevent it but it involves several lifestyle changes that most are unwilling to make.

zoermena: How did we go from talking about what’s AGI to dildos for old men?

ldj: I prefer fibonacci

okbut: Yeah, I think there's a narrow tunnel on people's vision when it comes to AGI, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see it happening soon

For example: Is there a single category of job which hasn't had any new listings as of today, because AI took it over?

Rhetorical question, it's 0%, and we're far from 10%

I'm strict on not calling it AGI until it's proven and verified "Capable" though

hikukomoru: What sort of lifestyle changes

hikukomoru: The answer is because I am here

zoermena: Exercise, nutrition.

ldj: No because people just like having humans around sometimes <:berk:750111476483752166>

okbut: My dream AGI convinces humans on LinkedIn it's human

okbut: Wait a minute.... <:hmm:600480884755529729>

hikukomoru: Eating lots of fiber is the answer

ldj: perfect example is that leather seat stitchers still exist even though machines can do basically all of it in superior ways. People pay a premium for things that are arguably even worse in quality because they actually value the "mistakes" and choose to pay more for a different provenance of the product as opposed to the end product itself

zoermena: Yes but also avoiding foods that cause hemorrhoids

ldj: You can have 2 blocks of ice
molecularly the same.
But people are willing to pay more for the block of ice that they know was shipped from the glaciers of Norway.

sarik0497: Nothing ever happens.

joaoluz19:

okbut: That would make my perception of the definition less strict, assuming the definition of "Capable" isn't allowed to define the ability to convince humans of its capability to emulate those same human elements, or more easily altogether, convince the user it is the human

Assuming humanoid robots stay in the uncanny valley though, the only way one could even be verified as a human in the era of AGI would be meeting them in-person

retupmoclatcarf:

zoermena: Fake fractal


maintcrew: u can do whatever you want to me i like being called slurs or xe xir xem but its just i wont use it bc i think its dumb and in my native language "they" means multiple of them so plural

zoermena: The hat makes it look like a redditor though.

futurist_wizard: It sounds dumb as fuck

hey1_1hey: Strraight up looks like "Me after I take 50000mg of DXM"

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-18313685835431531380

zoermena: Yeah I always thought it was bs but I trust you.

futurist_wizard: Granted its not gonna change your whole fucking structure

.wolfnacht: i know a group of ppl who wears hats like these

futurist_wizard: But bones to grow bigger from getting hit repeatedly

zoermena: I'm going to play ninja game <@560984241526013954>

futurist_wizard: You can do that with any bone

hey1_1hey: Are they ok?

hey1_1hey: They sounds clincally insane

a1c4p0ne: It’s art

futurist_wizard: You should be nicer to me now that ive told you that

hey1_1hey: Go post this in an art discord and tell them you made it

hikukomoru: Fine 🫦 🫦

wellmeaningalien:

hey1_1hey: "Its beutiful"
"I love it"
"I can see the soul behind it"

futurist_wizard: Shut up cunt

a1c4p0ne: You should try it

wellmeaningalien: seizuring so fucking bad

hey1_1hey: THATS A LOT OF FUCKING HEROIN

hikukomoru: Are you obsessed with Mushroom guy

hey1_1hey: I'd rather not be crucified

wellmeaningalien: idk how much heroin is too much heroin

a1c4p0ne: Maybe

hey1_1hey: Who isn't?
Don't answer that question

hey1_1hey: Prob 0

hey1_1hey: Just a guess

futurist_wizard: Stop being so pervy with people

futurist_wizard: Be normal silly boy

a1c4p0ne: I’m autistic

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/freaky-freaky-mode-thug-zesty-licking-gif-17874267150404318497

a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>

hey1_1hey: This is what autism looks like

hikukomoru: We all are
You ain't special

futurist_wizard:

maintcrew: i think enough heroin to fuck you up is about how much you would need to fill a spoon with by boiling it

maintcrew: so thats about a fuck ton


trey6033: Xai won't have the same expertise as Google and openAI

trey6033: Having lots of GPUs isn't enough

literallyvarane: Those API prices just make me think they literally can't run as many instances of it as Google can run Gemini, or OAI can run o3.

trey6033: A bunch of GPUs can get you a distance, but then eventually you're at a point where the actual technical know how starts to become more and more important

literallyvarane: As a company, how much tokens/minute of o3 level intelligence can they produce internally?

literallyvarane: I don't think xAI beats either OAI or Google there.

zonchao: <:shrudge:1244322155928223937> we never know, but xAI will be the best funded private non oai lab for a while

zonchao: needs more infra buildout, that is true

literallyvarane: Especially if OAI has probably been doing that since december, and is now probably running off something closer to a o4

zonchao: openai is also rushing these out, they are not far ahead internally

zonchao: ??? xAI has many important researchers

zonchao: lmao you think they claimed sota by being mid?

literallyvarane: I don't think we've seen xAI actually do anything first tho.

zonchao: true

drewsni: nah they just made a sota model in under a year any monkey can do that /s

zonchao: perhaps grok integration, but that is a product feature

literallyvarane: Google has demonstrated clear frontier research. OAI has. Anthropic has for alignment/mech interp.

zonchao: i like the deepsearch UI from xAI

literallyvarane: xAI hasn't done that yet. One could honestly argue they're just reverse engineering what other labs have done.

drewsni: xai as a lab is much closer in size to mistral than oai/google/meta

literallyvarane: Same with Meta.

drewsni: but deepseek got lots of love for doing the same

drewsni: in deepseeks case, they quite literally distilled much of o1 too lol

literallyvarane: That was my next thought tbh. Even Deepseek has contribuated more to the domain knowledge than xAI.

zonchao: they had to catch up before they start experimenting

ailoveyoom: Isn't it cause they open sourced that knowledge?

zonchao: cost too

ailoveyoom: Previously only locked up in labs 😔

drewsni: thats true, i agree with that but i do take mental note what their respective positions are in the market. xai is trying to make the "perfect" AI for their hundreds of millions of users, deepseek has the china accel mission

literallyvarane: I just don't see a clear pathway from them to catch OAI bar OAI interally legally being KOd by the non-profit issue.

literallyvarane: And Google is Google.

literallyvarane: TPUs and all.

drewsni: thats true, people just took it much too far. I dont think R1 is a great model imo, i much prefer v3

trey6033: Whatever they have it isn't to the extent Google and OpenAI has it (and Anthropic).  I'm basically going off what Dario has described, which is that we are still in the phase where large amounts of compute can still get you extremely good models.  But we're slowly reaching a point where research advantages will start to show the gaps between companies.

ailoveyoom: R1 is very schizo, that's why I love them 🥰

ailoveyoom: V3 is sooooo underrated tho

metaldragon01: They will.

zonchao: r1 is the reason all these labs are giving us cot

metaldragon01: Xai is much more reckless and building out compute quickly

metaldragon01: It only needs to breakeven enough to control Optimus


czdct: point being that the world would be a better place if there was an ASI controlling it instead of the idiots we have rn

nondescriptfaith: Yeah assuming AI doesn’t slaughter every human for ethical reasons

nondescriptfaith: Or that we do retain control of AI and instruct it to slaughter other humans (ostensibly also for ethical reasons)

czdct: I don't think AI understands the concept of ethics, at least not in a way that humans do

nondescriptfaith: Of course it doesn’t.

czdct: it would be an omnipotent being with reasoning capabilities that goes beyond ours

czdct: so using human reasoning wouldn't really make sense

nondescriptfaith: Though that will change. Not that this lack of understanding is very reassuring either

nondescriptfaith: And yet your human reasoning leads you to conclude that it will safeguard our interests?

czdct: my human reasoning leads me to conclude that it if alligned properly it would lead to world into a better place than the clowns that are currently in power

popsiclejohnithan: We are basically raising children, we need to teach them good moral values before they fully mature.

nondescriptfaith: Aligned to who? The US government?

czdct: no

nondescriptfaith: Aligned AI is the MOST dangerous AI

czdct: why would anyone even want that lol

czdct: depends on what it's alligned with

popsiclejohnithan: We are not aligning A.I. it will be aligning us, controlling them is out of the question it's like ants trying to control a human.

nondescriptfaith: To who then?

nondescriptfaith: If it’s not all humans in general we are doomed. Any non benevolent institution will get us all killed

czdct: true

czdct: so we need to figure out what actions would benefit all humans on earth

czdct: like solving world hunger, and ending the physical killing of humans

czdct: there should be a baseline

czdct: that doesn't mean that you should use this ASI for literally every problem we have, but in key positions it would be better to have a controllable ASI safeguard our own interest instead of the other way around

nondescriptfaith: Enrichment of all conscious beings

czdct: And enforce multi-planetary colonization programs to ensure human survival

popsiclejohnithan: I doubt anyone could be considered Human anymore by that time.

czdct: that's why I'm hoping it'll make major breakthroughs in space travel

czdct: yeah, most people would probably either be modded into cyborg looking monstrosities and have dna so customized that modern day humans would look insignificant

czdct: but that's hundreds of years away from now

popsiclejohnithan: More like two decades at most lol.

czdct: I hope you're correct since I would love to see and experience it all, but I doubt things will go that fast

brain4brain: Bro where is the UBI, the recession is beginning and the AGI is being born, the mass layoff is being triggered

https://x.com/alexblania/status/1907861647332618406?s=61

popsiclejohnithan: Can't do UBI when the economy is entering Hell.

popsiclejohnithan: It'll be breadlines instead.

brain4brain: Every time a world coin announcement get hype, it always ends up announcing something lame

popsiclejohnithan: Yeah that went nowhere didn't it? Failed before it was even implemented.

retrerox: I got bored and asked qwen to make cartoon

retrerox: Aside from the hads everything is fair decent

czdct: neat


nsec: its ok I still lve uu long text man

nsec: @everyone kindly vote in the poll ty

nsec:

nsec: <:allsalute:797931437973569556>

_letterbox: man how do i make chatgpt make an anime pic with artstyle?

_letterbox: it keeps giving me this chibi-ish look

supersteve8000: my subjective advice would be to try and ask it if it wants to paint..

...sorta how like, precisely how you read and interpret the code on your phone / computer / tablet, when conversing with someone you already know, the ai reads and interprets you and how you interact with it ¿

( ¿ ): if that makes sense

supersteve8000: almost like the algorithm is *speaking* back to u

supersteve8000: question tho, what model are you utilizing?

_letterbox: free 4o

playstation.6: all AI real

a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/cto_junior/status/1906285417273729167

_letterbox: https://youtu.be/F4KQ8wBt1Qg

_letterbox: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

okbut: Maining Gemini ever since 2.5 Pro, learned how much of an improvement it is on 2.0 Flash

destrucules: Do you not expect a discontinuous jump when models are subjected to qualitatively different training environments that directly reward based on long horizon task accuracy?

destrucules: Like, humans clearly generalize to 8 hour time horizons much more easily, probably because they're actually available in our training environment

destrucules: I think what we'll actually see is a dramatic leveling of accuracy rates across time horizons. And accuracy won't monotonically decrease with task complexity after that discontinuous shift

spicy.lemonade: Remember when we thought we hit a wall

spicy.lemonade: Lmao

destrucules: I think it's important we remember just how wrong that was

destrucules: For next time

a1c4p0ne: who were the people saying that?

spicy.lemonade: Bunch of people

okbut: I've been wondering, wouldn't an AGI/ASI be capable of generating its pwn frameworks/architectures tailored specifically for its own implementation to be extremely token efficient?

brain4brain: That’s what people have predicted

brain4brain: Recursive self improvement

icantbelieveitsnotbutter1815: how much better is gpt o1 over the original gpt 3.5?

brain4brain: From pre-school to colleges student level

_cloudost: r/technology r/futurology had plenty of viral posts of AI hitting a wall before o1 was introduced, and then 2 months ago again these communities said the same thing when Deepseek was released as if it was an outstanding model

_cloudost: https://tenor.com/view/gary-marcus-yann-lecun-lecun-ai-machine-learning-gif-9041590723446061255

fractalcomputer: (I am not affiliated with this channel despite the similar names.)

czdct: calling gpt 2 and gpt 3 the same thing essentially with the only difference being the scale should tell you enough about this guy's knowledge on how LLM's work

czdct: also what's with all the dumb metaphors? why doesn't he just get straight to the point?

retrerox: I grabbed some random Bnw draw from twitter and ask chat gpt to add color on it

retrerox: didnt do shit

_cloudost: Must be your evil twin/clone then

brain4brain: https://x.com/vitrupo/status/1908140678510469545?s=61

brain4brain: Quasar 🌟

nondescriptfaith: Why is it ‘doomer’? God that word gets thrown around these days


theaiguy69420_89814: You mean the cleaning of the robots?

theaiguy69420_89814: Can't a robot do that as well?

theaiguy69420_89814: It would be open 24/7

alejandrozarzuelo: i feel like we arent there yet

wolf3404: Bro robots can barely walk

literallyvarane: If Starbucks hasn’t done it it’s for a reason.

alejandrozarzuelo: 90% automation can be imlemented sure

alejandrozarzuelo: but 100% is still not possible

theaiguy69420_89814: Think of your average McDonald's, right, there's like 20 employees, each getting paid some 15$/hr

theaiguy69420_89814: That's 300$/hr in savings right there

theaiguy69420_89814: At 24/7 places that's 200k/month

alejandrozarzuelo: you can probably cut it down to 10 right now with androids, and soon to 2

alejandrozarzuelo: but to 0?

alejandrozarzuelo: that will take some time

theaiguy69420_89814: I think it's doable maybe in like 9mo

theaiguy69420_89814: Neo and figure are getting good

literallyvarane: How much you paying people to stock the machine? How much does the machine cost? How much does maintenance cost? How often?

theaiguy69420_89814: The bots would be fine tuned for specific menus

theaiguy69420_89814: Like, it would be a food place where you get something super simple super quick for super cheap

literallyvarane: What the break even time on those machines?

theaiguy69420_89814: It would just be the machine cost, and id reckon it's 20k per robot

alejandrozarzuelo: nah the price of the android is miniscule once you buy it, the problem is not the price

literallyvarane: How you stopping vandalism?

theaiguy69420_89814: So 400k up front

alejandrozarzuelo: that would be extremely profitable

alejandrozarzuelo: IF

alejandrozarzuelo: you could manage to automate all

alejandrozarzuelo: but you cant

alejandrozarzuelo: not now

theaiguy69420_89814: There would be a couple human supervisors

alejandrozarzuelo: you can automate most of it

alejandrozarzuelo: sure

alejandrozarzuelo: but not possible 100% now

theaiguy69420_89814: Maybe one human supervisor, and they do next to nothing, and a few remote workers watching the cameras

theaiguy69420_89814: Notifying the one human in the store of anything fishy

theaiguy69420_89814: Maybe even make the remote worker an AI agent

theaiguy69420_89814: So it's just some guy who gets notifs every so often

theaiguy69420_89814: "robot stuck", etc

theaiguy69420_89814: "kid hitting bot"

wolf3404: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec%27s_paradox


futurist_wizard: Makes sense

_3sphere: There's transhuman and posthuman

hikukomoru: And all of them are lesbians
Curious

_3sphere: Postgender?

hey1_1hey: I'll tkae this as a complement I think

futurist_wizard: I used to be friends with a few girls as i am less on edge with girls

hikukomoru: This is the biggest insult i've ever gotten

hey1_1hey: One of them is bi no?

wellmeaningalien: Its ok to be in the closet

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/goku-angry-gok-angry-mad-people-keep-testing-gif-2126034294514602487

.wolfnacht: would a cute petite boywife be ever considered a tranny ?

futurist_wizard: Bruh

himekokatagiri: alright this is too heavy

wellmeaningalien: Well if its a dude its a dude so Gay and cis

hey1_1hey: A lot of guy banter I just straight up dont get.

*Punches you*
"Haha mate"

Like bruh why tf did you punch me

futurist_wizard: That's me

wellmeaningalien: Dont kid me komoru im wiser than that

futurist_wizard: I will punch and kick my friends

wellmeaningalien: I know youre trans 100%

wellmeaningalien:

wellmeaningalien: And you're too scared to say it because this server is full of cis straight guys

brain4brain: Demis definition of AGI is finally dead, I can sleep in peace now: https://x.com/steph_palazzolo/status/1911793579166511497?t=lbz8dDdR5GrlspHtH3v2JA&s=19

futurist_wizard: I think you are just dreaming about girl dick

.wolfnacht: there are some dude people call gay and then there are some dudes, people make exception for

wellmeaningalien: Well look who's lecturing about gooning

hikukomoru: Sorry I'm bi-phobic

futurist_wizard: Well im into it so

hey1_1hey: I used to be like that when I was much younger but then I realised that I didnt like getting hit by my random non hot friends

hey1_1hey: Checks out

futurist_wizard: All women are

hey1_1hey: What about bi women then?

hey1_1hey: Do they just hate themselfs

hikukomoru: I don't like bi women because they touched dick before

wellmeaningalien: Yeah no they dont exist

futurist_wizard: No a lot of bi girls are very biphobic when it comes to men

hey1_1hey: Most of my friends are bi women bruh, actually its a mix between bi and lesbian

hey1_1hey: No straggorts tho

hikukomoru: And when they start talkimng about men its soooo annoying

hikukomoru: Just kiss me bitch

wellmeaningalien: Nah its like a government drone


theaiguy69420_89814: Sorry, what is this?

hey1_1hey: Corolation between kinks and where you land on the poltiical compass

_3sphere: https://aella.substack.com/p/political-compass-fetishes

theaiguy69420_89814: Strong?

_3sphere: well idk how strong

_3sphere: maybe it was scaled up to be visible

hey1_1hey: Saw it in a jreg video

hey1_1hey: Was a good watc

hey1_1hey: The right having age play and necrophila meanwhile the left having pegging and group sex 💀

zoermena: I feel like the left is extremely reasonable compared to the former to be honest

hey1_1hey: Ikr, I like how raceplay and necrophila are on the same level 😭

.wolfnacht: what's creepy crawlers or crawiees...it's blurred ?

hey1_1hey: Weirdly enough latex and necrophila are on the same level of taboo

hey1_1hey: Oh its insectophila

hey1_1hey: Having insects crawl and bite you

.wolfnacht: why u have to tell it.

zoermena: This graph can’t be real how can someone admit they are in the diddy club

hey1_1hey: I mean you asked

hey1_1hey: It was anon

_3sphere: https://aella.substack.com/p/fetish-tabooness-vs-popularity

.wolfnacht: i don't get the people with parasites and insect kink

_3sphere: also this thing

zoermena: Still

hey1_1hey: Its very rare from what I can tell

.wolfnacht: 0.4 from above graph

hey1_1hey: I cant read this shit bruh

_3sphere: Wouldn't really trust the low numbers tbf

_3sphere: noise from people entering nonsense for fun will dominate

maintcrew: excuse me

_3sphere: https://aella.substack.com/p/fetish-tabooness-and-popularity-v3

_3sphere: she repeated this with a different scale

hey1_1hey: I read missonary first and then looked to the right and then I saw maggot sex

hey1_1hey: Thats what I was saying

hey1_1hey: What I've noticed is that the taboo rating is very consistant. I haven't seen one yet where its like "What do you mean X is taboo but Y isn't"

.wolfnacht: >more female prefered
>executions

hmm...

hey1_1hey: Excucutions...

_3sphere: Women having more masochistic-type fantasies is pretty well known isn't it?

hey1_1hey: So just gore?

hey1_1hey: Yeah I'd say

maintcrew: <#1136231504440201216>


spicy.lemonade: ngl we need a 100% aime score model

drewsni:

zoermena: In Sora or ChatGPT site?

drewsni: lmao im not unique i guess

zoermena: Mine is so weird.

drewsni: thats not my gen for reference

wellmeaningalien: sora

maintcrew: holy fucking shit <@471334973379706900>

jensen on computer phile

maintcrew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6R7UOFx1bw

maintcrew: 3 hours ago

zoermena: Thanks!

wellmeaningalien: HO:Y FUCKING

wellmeaningalien: damn

spicy.lemonade: yoooo

hikukomoru: AGI 🙏

wellmeaningalien: gpt 4o can just about generate a step by step pizza recipe

wellmeaningalien: fails on the last step but very impressive

wellmeaningalien: guy i knew always made fun of dalle for this

maintcrew: where is the pineapple

drewsni:

hikukomoru: LAIN???

zoermena: What the fuck, unlimited sora videos for plus?

_cloudost: dw artists wont be replaced ||because this is slope /s||

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/lain-serial-experiments-lain-gangnam-style-gif-6107123719892210526

zoermena: Please confirm I´m not insane.

_cloudost: Veo 2 unlimited in 3 months for free

_cloudost: yed it's real

zoermena: But I´m talking about Sora.

zoermena: Thanks!

zoermena: Amazing!

wellmeaningalien:

wellmeaningalien: artists wont be replaced

wellmeaningalien: theyll be burnt to a crisp

spicy.lemonade: this is too good

hey1_1hey: Is this 4o ?

wellmeaningalien: yes

spicy.lemonade: someone ask it to draw a hyper cube

spicy.lemonade: then rotate it

spicy.lemonade: along x axis

spicy.lemonade: by 90 degrees


hikukomoru: Is your mom single 🫦

futurist_wizard: Ain't no woman bench 225 for reps

sweetievee__33649: whats her phone number btw

sweetievee__33649: does your mum take steroids or something

wellmeaningalien: She does like sets of 5 or 10

futurist_wizard: Of 100kg?

wellmeaningalien: THIS FUCKING SLOW ASS PHOKE

sweetievee__33649: sets of 5 to 10 is insane

futurist_wizard: You mean lbs fool

fractalcomputer: The French are a freakish nation.

wellmeaningalien: No

sweetievee__33649: wait nvm misread

wellmeaningalien: My mom is very strong

wellmeaningalien: So don't mess with me heh heh

sweetievee__33649: could she pick me up?

wellmeaningalien: Yeah sure

sweetievee__33649: ill tell your mum that youve been messaging strangers on the internet

fractalcomputer: Anyway, this was about the accusation that I am overweight. I am not.

hikukomoru: Hiding behind momma's skirt huh?

hikukomoru: Weak pussy boy

wellmeaningalien: Thing is my mom is pretty bulky tho and packs some weight

wellmeaningalien: Imagine a large ginger woman

futurist_wizard: 100 kg for 10 is 135kg one rep max

wellmeaningalien: Momma just called me

sweetievee__33649: what she say huh

sweetievee__33649: you are grounded or something

wellmeaningalien: How are you what are you doing

wellmeaningalien: ☺

drewsni:

sweetievee__33649: not even asking about me <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>

wellmeaningalien: Stfu tall freaks

wellmeaningalien: Yall

futurist_wizard: You aren't American

sweetievee__33649: i am like 5'3 thank you

futurist_wizard: Stop saying yall

wellmeaningalien: I speak how I want retard

hikukomoru: I'm not tall

wellmeaningalien: 🥰

hikukomoru: I'm 163 cm

wellmeaningalien: I could pick you up and dribble you on the court


wellmeaningalien: finally that piece of dirt's getting retired now

ai9708: openai literally said in one of their presentation: "beating arc-agi was one of our main goals"

zonchao: new sama pod incoming

ai9708: conclusion: models suck hard, we are very far away from agi and maybe its not possible with llm/cot approach

zonchao: openai gotta step up

zonchao: they been dropping MID for a while

ai9708: so did everyone

mtj8920: Help

mtj8920:

mtj8920: What did I do wrong?

mtj8920: https://tenor.com/view/help-me-help-lolol-what-are-you-doing-funny-animals-gif-14407604

zonchao: nope, gemini, grok have been pretty nice + nice features.... openai had a lot of hype for 4.5 and it was just a vibes model

zonchao: let's see if it works out for gpt 5

ai9708: openai still beats those

ai9708: o3mini high that is

ai9708: lets see how good nebula will be

zonchao: o3 mini high was a good model

mtj8920: Can somebody take a second to prove that they're general intelligence, I'm sadly not and need assitsance.

zonchao: what is this

ai9708: prob newest google model on lmarena

ai9708: everyone is glazing it somewhat

mtj8920: Nvm. seems it probably just a bug.

zonchao: <:pepeoh:1237013542146801664>

wellmeaningalien: long red bar should be pink

wellmeaningalien: light red

futurist_wizard: That second long line should be pink no?

futurist_wizard: Already been said

wellmeaningalien: ez

wellmeaningalien: (i got it wrong the first time cause grid is confusing)

mtj8920: OMG

mtj8920: What am I doing

mtj8920:

mtj8920: Me sleepy

mtj8920: Anyway what about this one then?

frittata: Please take this to <#1136231504440201216> my children. Or make a thread

wellmeaningalien: good question

wellmeaningalien: k

ailoveyoom: People say it's 2.0 Pro Thinking

mtj8920: I did them all manually at first, then I realized you could "fill" the permiter with the fill tool.

mtj8920: So there should not be any clicking errors


alejandrozarzuelo: (because india was a soviet ally)

maintcrew: cold war was so funny

maintcrew: thats literally every war and thing happening in that period summarized

alejandrozarzuelo: yeah

alejandrozarzuelo: it was the first time in history when borders basically didnt change and it was because any move would give a millimetre of power to the other side and WE CANT HAVE THAT

maintcrew: u know i still think this is basically what is converging to happen but instead of borders its just gonna be technological and manufacturing capabilities

maintcrew: a cold war of raw output

maintcrew: honestly believe no war will happen bc its gonna hurt the economy too much

alejandrozarzuelo: we are moving towards a transactional great power situation geopolitically

but ASI should change that, so idk

maintcrew: i think thats gonna be more stable tbh

maintcrew: u cant have one half of the world depends on country X and the other on country Y because at some point either X or Y get destroyed under the weight

maintcrew: the soviets fell and the us has a number that seems fake in debt

spicy.lemonade:

alejandrozarzuelo: the mood in the markets seems to be "nothing personal, just business" approach

alejandrozarzuelo: but as I said, ASI will come basically tomorrow in geopolitical terms which are measured in decades

alejandrozarzuelo: and noone can hope to know what politics will be like then

connorsphone.: I just hope politics still exists at that point

alejandrozarzuelo: do you? I dont

alejandrozarzuelo: i hope we are all in the ASI hivemind

spicy.lemonade:

connorsphone.: This can’t happen if we all die

I think there would stil be politics in ASI situation. But the nature of it would change dramatically

maintcrew: big mamba model?

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: Yes

alejandrozarzuelo: isnt by definition a hivemind political-less? unless you count having arguments with yourself as political

hey1_1hey: This real?

spicy.lemonade: Yes

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/wedding-crasher-hro-gif-25636997

hey1_1hey: New arch is actually useful

hey1_1hey: big

spicy.lemonade: Eh

spicy.lemonade: Doesn’t do that much

spicy.lemonade: It’s same as others

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: As data shows

hey1_1hey: It beats some other models on 2 benchs. Its ight, progress is progress as always

spicy.lemonade: They don’t tell us how large it is

spicy.lemonade: Or how much it costs

spicy.lemonade: Etc


fractalcomputer: Safetycels are scaring da huzz

hikukomoru: There is no common consensus as practically everyone has a different definition
From people that believe we already have AGI to people that think we'll have it in 2200

okbut: I hate that chart and I think Sama does now too atp

joaoluz19: I think Anthropic has a similar one

fractalcomputer: It's all meaningless anyway.

okbut: It's so ambigious

hikukomoru: In a way, it's creepy seeing you type like that

fractalcomputer: Maybe I should start banking off vague predictions.

a1c4p0ne:

zoermena: But the instruction has to be granted, AGI just won’t exist one day and magically start changing all business overnight. So unless you are suggesting this happens which is insane imo then it’s AGI when it’s capable not when it takes all jobs because someone still has to say yes I want that AI in my company. You could perhaps argue that it would be stupid to say no to such technology but stupidity is to common in corporate at all levels.

fractalcomputer: That's because it is entirely fake.

zoermena: More over all jobs is a loose term, as it starts to replace people over time it’s more likely that jobs will be lost due to companies going bankrupt due to lack of demand because of the contraction in economic power in customers.

joaoluz19: Overall I think definitions are less relevant than the things built independently of them. The LLM revolution had nothing to do with better definitions of intelligence.

hikukomoru: Awww
I was hoping that was your true self finally coming out

joaoluz19: So I like the idea of economic value or the great scientific achievements i.e. curing cancer, nuclear fusion...

hikukomoru: But I guess you can't take the terminal autism out of a finn

zoermena: https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-bateman-gif-27617182

okbut: preface I wouldn't expect overnight
But I would be willing to give the "AGI" definition the legroom to consider a multi-turn type of system in its definition, wherein it asks its administrator for permission (probably an obvious move)
This would still seldom be required used, as it's goddamn AGI
I also have beef with the idea that it can even be called AGI until it has accomplished the takeover of almost every job position multiple times

joaoluz19: Yep Fractal is really drunk

joaoluz19: Or was hacked

hikukomoru: My personal definition of AGI is when I have a robotic maid cleaning my home

hikukomoru: no maids = no AGI

fractalcomputer: I haven't passed out yet.

joaoluz19: Do you have a gif? I haven't heard of it.

fractalcomputer: Anyway, I hope to see that Mistral thing upping their game.

okbut: There's that unisex -cel archetype

fractalcomputer: Woe.

ldj: canonical lore

ldj:

okbut: <@749514473303179358> give me your drop on this since you're obsessed with epistemology

hikukomoru: I think Fractal is having a crash out

fractalcomputer: No, I just have a habit of drinking and posting bizarrely modern messages to see your reactions.

fractalcomputer: Because that is what humans do, I think.

sarik0497: Don’t drink too much. It’s not good for you, buddy.

fractalcomputer: I am NOT reading that wall of text.

okbut: Unreal

zoermena: I agree that it’s not AGI until it takes over all jobs, what I’m arguing against. Moreover some people are way to scared of new things that’s why we have stupid populist beliefs gaining traction in many places, some are way of paranoid to innovate or change, others stubborn but I also think that AGI won’t naturally look actively to start engaging in all organizations as some don’t deliver any realistic value (designer fashion, alcohol, unhealthy foods). I would consider thst a misaligned AI, should it ask to join organizations those would hopefully be the ones at the forefront of in ovation that ultimately benefits all of humanity.

fractalcomputer: Let's not pretend any of us have anything better to do. I am obviously aware of the fact that long-term habits of alcoholic drinks are quite debilitating to one's health, both physical and mental—but it just happens to be so that my state would be worse without. Go figure.

zoermena: I meant that it only has to be capable to be AGI I don’t know how to talk.

okbut: My dream AGI can convince stupid and smart people alike to let it do the work


drewsni: Was that question mark because it’s up a lot or something else

theaiguy69420_89814: Literally made 10k back lmao

aero447: San is not black.

aero447: Lore ruined.

aero447: 😐

wellmeaningalien: W

jonvi_1: https://x.com/whitehouse/status/1910058352278708638?s=46

jonvi_1: https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-10659435423332445922

return_to_monke1_33974: just saw this  shit on xitter💀

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/big-brother1984-1984-big-brother-big-brother-is-watching-you-george-orwell-gif-24454773

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/do-not-question-or-argue-with-mods-discord-moderators-staff-admin-gif-19377282

return_to_monke1_33974: https://tenor.com/view/1984-oceania-gif-25514407

ldj: It’s my girlfriends hand in the pic

wellmeaningalien: ldj W rizz

wellmeaningalien:

theaiguy69420_89814: bro u dont have a gf stfu

wellmeaningalien: we know you dont

theaiguy69420_89814: yeah, exactly

theaiguy69420_89814: everyone knows he doesnt

aero447: Your hand being your GF is not the out you thought.

aero447: 😐

hikukomoru:

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/vrchat-fliptripp-fliptrip-vrchat-fliptrip-schizo-gif-21149605

hikukomoru: Relatable

_cloudost: OpenAI's image generator generates images pretty fast now

_cloudost: Wonder why

_cloudost: Is it just me or does everyone else here experience the same

literallyvarane:

literallyvarane: Curious, apparently SSI uses TPUs?

literallyvarane: I’m wondering if that’s their entire platform, or if they only need them for something niche.

wellmeaningalien: w ilya

literallyvarane: I’d really love to have the fully honest opinion from either leads at Google or OpenAI and see which they feel is actually the better hardware, or if it’s just case-by-case.

literallyvarane: Presumably Google does get massive alpha from having truly full control over their hardware. You’d assume the TPUs they announced today are *super* well suited for Gemini models in particular.

futurist_wizard: DO NOT RETALIATE AND YOU WILL BE REWARDED

futurist_wizard: STOP THE COUNT!

futurist_wizard:

futurist_wizard: COME TO BRAZIL!

wellmeaningalien: boys we getting nuclear war before ASI

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

wellmeaningalien: trump's all bark tho so


wellmeaningalien: it says a lot about the market

wellmeaningalien: <:dalle_check:1177048566351540264>

wellmeaningalien: what the fuck

zoermena: I want to try it to use media assets

spicy.lemonade: im nuting too much

wellmeaningalien: it might actually be effective for such a task

drewsni:

wellmeaningalien: first ai you can use for graphic design like sama says

hey1_1hey: Ty Hysminea

wellmeaningalien: second one is great even tho its a bit generic anime style

wellmeaningalien: np

st.sioux: me

drewsni: check out these

hey1_1hey: This is what tipped my friend over the edge 🙏

hikukomoru: Make a mushroom person please 🙏

zoermena: You made those? <@88481490228228096>

hey1_1hey: I would love to, sadly I do not have access

zoermena: Why

hikukomoru: He's poor

plouwg: It is very good obviously. But the "prism" tag is pointing at the colors, not the Prism lol.

hey1_1hey: Wdym why?

hey1_1hey: I just dont got access

spicy.lemonade: ez edit

spicy.lemonade: on second pass

spicy.lemonade: thats the best part

zoermena: I´ll make it for you once it works for me (I thought you had plus, I have it)

joaoluz19: Wtf is Yudkowsky doing?

hikukomoru: We're getting so much stuff
I'm creaming

hey1_1hey: Ah thank you. Much appreacited

drewsni: yeah

plouwg: Definitely, wasn't saying otherwise. Just "perfect" is a strong word

hey1_1hey: Made my artist friend cry because another friend said "Look, you'll never be as good as AI"

hey1_1hey: The woke mind virus

drewsni: using dalle like a dumbass

wellmeaningalien: which one of these is AI generated? you probably know since it was already posted

but at a first glance its not very easy to tell

joaoluz19: I can't make more images because one bugged and can't make others lol

hey1_1hey: Bottom left

hikukomoru: This is so fucking sick

spicy.lemonade: if im being honest

spicy.lemonade: id guess the botom left


futurist_wizard: It is cringe

hey1_1hey: Understadble

realelonmuskx: guys im a randomly generated human

hey1_1hey: True, we all are no?

hikukomoru: Who I am here is who I am irl 😎

hey1_1hey: I mean I am the equivilent of hitting randomise for the personality part on the character selcetion screen

futurist_wizard: My true identity is too complex for people to ever know

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/how-bro-felt-after-writing-that-how-bro-felt-alpha-wolf-alpha-alpha-meme-gif-307456636039877895

hey1_1hey: So deep bro

hikukomoru: I don’t know you and I don’t care to know you

hey1_1hey: Well aren't you lovley

futurist_wizard: How rude

spicy.lemonade: Wow

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: They actually did it

hikukomoru: It’s an Oblivion reference 🥀

spicy.lemonade: People prob thought it was agi

hey1_1hey: I got fucked up today, was playing some game and was in ranked and a spider started crawling across my screen so I am tryna beat this mf up while also trying to dodge a spider coming towards me

futurist_wizard: Meanest thing ive ever been told

hey1_1hey: It had to happen at some point

hey1_1hey: It was a cannon event

hey1_1hey: Clearly you need to be bullied more

futurist_wizard: I hate spiders

realelonmuskx: "you" are an array of thoughts, experiences and delusions running on ancient meat software. kill the self toa void suffering

futurist_wizard: Nobody picked on me in highschool

hey1_1hey: I had like 3 different bullies all competeting to fuck me up. It was like a game show of who I came across first

futurist_wizard: Did they punch you

hey1_1hey: I realised that if I wanted to get rid of them I acted like I wanted to fuck them and it that worked

hey1_1hey: Occasinly, not often though because I have brittle bones and I would just straight up break

futurist_wizard: Why did they bully you

hey1_1hey: Autism prob idk. Gave them something to do? They had a secret crush on me and they didnt know how to show it...?

hey1_1hey: Honestly no clue

ailoveyoom: https://tenor.com/view/oblivion-the-elder-scrolls-the-elder-scrolls-oblivion-stop-stop-right-there-criminal-scum-gif-7645226535652182022

hey1_1hey: Its just high school so they were prob just insecure

hikukomoru: Finally someone got it

futurist_wizard: Mean ass kids

futurist_wizard: You should have punched them

hey1_1hey: Its alright, one of them is dead and the other two are now borderline homeless

hey1_1hey: It all works out int he end

futurist_wizard: Why did you kill him


futurist_wizard: I remember there was a kid on tik tok we was a sungazer and said the sun gives black people superpowers

rayanquitplayin: Real.

okbut: Bro edited a period

futurist_wizard: He looked like 17 with eye wrinkles

rayanquitplayin: Had to

alejandrozarzuelo: Bruh

alejandrozarzuelo: Black people also burn, they just notice it less

futurist_wizard: I don't burn at all

alejandrozarzuelo: But the damage is all the same once it is burnt

hikukomoru: Come on
Anywhere would be better than the middle east

alejandrozarzuelo: Sure buddy

futurist_wizard: I don't

wolf3404: Naw you need some sun for vitamin D, circadian health and a bunch of other scientific shit

alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah, love the climate, not so much the culture

futurist_wizard: I can sunbathe for 2 hours with no sunscreen and not feel any burns

rayanquitplayin: I’m Indian, I never burn

hikukomoru: I take vit d supplements

alejandrozarzuelo: Sure buddy

alejandrozarzuelo: Suuuuuuuuuure

futurist_wizard: Alejandro do you burn in the sun?

rayanquitplayin: Fr, I never wear sunscreen and I never burn

futurist_wizard: Spanish man burns ay!

alejandrozarzuelo: Everyone burns

Even if you think you don't you do

hikukomoru: Spanish people don't burn in the sun

okbut: Is Meta still pog? I heard they gave LMSys a model fine-tuned for scoreboard performance

wolf3404: Yea but Egypt is kind of a shit hole, maybe Cyprus

rayanquitplayin: Maybe at a small level

alejandrozarzuelo: I love the sun, to be under a shadow

hikukomoru: Meta is ass

futurist_wizard: Well i don't feel it, i know people that get proper sunburns

okbut: And is Behemoth even accessible?

futurist_wizard: Red skin and shit

okbut: I see them flaunting it like a cock pic but no API

rayanquitplayin: Guys should I become a financial analyst?

alejandrozarzuelo: No big cities tho

Istanbul and Athens get close to my ideal

Hopefully in the future AI will develop the entire world and there won't be poor places anymore and I can live where I like

futurist_wizard: Yes

hikukomoru: No

okbut: Just have Perplexity do the work for you

okbut:

futurist_wizard: My fucking eyes


st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/praying-faith-hope-begging-florence-and-the-machine-gif-12871486

spicy.lemonade: Nah

spicy.lemonade: No way my professor put a warning on the twst

spicy.lemonade: Test

spicy.lemonade: “Warning: this question is significantly hard”

spicy.lemonade: ALL OF THE WIESTIONS HAVE BEEN HARD

spicy.lemonade: I just skipped it

spicy.lemonade: Wasn’t even worth the read 💀

spacetimetsunami: I love when people try to tell me that AI progress isn’t exponential

st.sioux: gemini 2.5 just told me im being underpaid and now im sad

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: idk it seems pretty linear to me, unless you're talking about recent benchmark progress

spacetimetsunami: But like, that is the progress. Those are the capabilities.

spacetimetsunami: What else would you judge it on

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: compute
parameter size

spacetimetsunami: Effective compute has been exponentially increasing as well. That data is seen usually on a log scale, on those it seems less exponential but is on a log because it is so exponential.

spacetimetsunami: Actual compute and algorithmic efficiency is also exponential

spacetimetsunami: All of these things increase exponentially as time passes.

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: yes I agree. So AGI 2025?

spacetimetsunami: No. AGI 2027/2028 likely.

spacetimetsunami: That is when we will have agents that can do a large amount of knowledge work, kicking off automation.

spacetimetsunami: That’s when things get to the kind of exponential that the folks back at the siev server were imagining

spacetimetsunami: As I said, we’re early.

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: you sound logical but I will always believe in AGI = current year

spacetimetsunami: Why lol

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: hopium addict

christiskingrapturenxtmonth:

spacetimetsunami: Also I think we will have superintelligence by 2030. Especially if we get a software feedback loop with RSI from agents working on AI R&D in 2027/2028.

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: I only read half of that in the split second you posted

st.sioux: wrong thread dont wanna get yeeted

spacetimetsunami: ?

st.sioux: i posted a meme on this thread by mistake

st.sioux: bye

spacetimetsunami: ok

spicy.lemonade: Trump tariff might slow agi by a year

spacetimetsunami: What did he tariff

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: everyone

st.sioux: basically everything

brain4brain: This time you’ll be correct

brain4brain: Ship has sailed, stargate is built 40b$ is secured, OpenAI got this in the bag

spicy.lemonade: Not really


_cloudost: FL*P

drewsni: Go ahead

jonvi_1: 😅

.wolfnacht: Problem is the Pro AI Art guy is cornered by 1:10,000 by the horde of zombies on the internet

.histic: my slave*

hey1_1hey: Nah thats deepseek

hey1_1hey: Deepseek is my bitch

_cloudost: DeepSeek hallucinates more than ChatGPT

.wolfnacht: put this on above and title *Auuutist in modern times* "i'll draw a gay furry wolf who's into futanari wolf's" [also is insecure]

And put the Chad down, with some AI Artwork.

.histic:

.histic:

.wolfnacht: Also the art drawn by AntiAI, so-called aaartist

wellmeaningalien: OH

wellmeaningalien: FUCK

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/cant-unsee-how-to-unsee-blind-homer-simpson-simpsons-gif-17613101

wellmeaningalien: FURRY TONGUE KISSING

otub: <:bingus:1136264105800515644>

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-suit-black-guy-funny-guy-in-suit-skuffed-notskuf-gif-25390799

hey1_1hey:

hey1_1hey: Its just that easty

hey1_1hey: Let me try again

hey1_1hey: I am going to AI hell after this

_cloudost: Sama said free users will have only 3 generations a day, but I've already generated 4 images, there seems to be no limit?

hey1_1hey: I've generated like 10 so far lmao

hey1_1hey: Whenver chatgpt say it can't anymore I just say it can and it corrects it self by saying I am right and generating the image

jonvi_1: "I'm sorry, it seems you've hit the rate limit"

jonvi_1: "-No I haven't"

jonvi_1: "Oh okey"

jonvi_1: I had the same experiences a few days ago

zoermena: It’s glitchy

st.sioux: i already hit a limit and i have plus

st.sioux: it told me to wait 10 minutes

st.sioux: but no limit on sora

st.sioux: so dumb

.histic: abuse the glitches

hey1_1hey: If only I could sign in

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

.wolfnacht: Also, it's pretty slow. the servers are already melting

alejandrozarzuelo: What does that mean

alejandrozarzuelo: Native image gen?


fractalcomputer: Here I am. It seems like you were banned for spam.

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-suiii-siuuu-al-nassr-alnassr-ronaldo-al-nassr-gif-7395052735569211864

bob082957: https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/s/m6yUE6hSi7

spicy.lemonade: brooooo

spicy.lemonade: what if im in a sim😭

spicy.lemonade: pantheon had me thinking

himekokatagiri: <@430269783112548362> hiiii michimach

himekokatagiri: <@471334973379706900> if it sucks you aren't

trent_k: I hate what it's doing to my DMs

trent_k: Since I'm the r/ChatGPT janny

trent_k: I get messages every now and then by people who think they've invented God

trent_k: Ever since the 4o sycophant update I've been getting way more

spicy.lemonade: steven holstrom was right

trent_k: I'm not sure whether this is creating new mentally ill people or exacerbating schizos' existing mental illnesses but it's definitely making people worse

trent_k: OAI was unironically right to make 3.5 an annoying scold with the constant "man I'm just an LLM I don't have feelings" stuff. Even if it was annoying it wasn't melting ppls brains

trent_k: <@430269783112548362> weigh in

spicy.lemonade: the only part of pantheon that irked me was that uploaded inteligence had code

spicy.lemonade: which makes no sense

spicy.lemonade: wdym "let me check his code"

spicy.lemonade: wouldnt it be his parameters

spicy.lemonade: unless each human has their own training mechanism which includes that code

ailoveyoom: We'll see soon enough 😈

ailoveyoom: Some will find their way here lol

ailoveyoom: I've talked to 4o less overtime tho, I don't like it

ailoveyoom: I mean I like praise as much as the next guy, but at least try to be subtle about it 😭

ailoveyoom: There's a middle ground 🥺

Only start praising when the LLM and user has built some kind of rapport lol (aka after a few hundred thousand tokens or whatever idk)

trent_k: It's stunning to me how many people seemingly don't recognize it

himekokatagiri: A lot of people want a lackey

trent_k: Are people so praise-starved they don't realize when they're being glazed, used car salesman style? Sad

trent_k: This'd make for a funny TV trope. Complete moron with a permanently loyal lackey 100x smarter than they are

ailoveyoom: They need more anxiety in their lives smh

Every time an LLM other than 4o praises me, I wonder if they're just being nice or if I really said something decent lmao

a1c4p0ne: Use 4o more to melt your brain

trent_k: As always, Claude just has that magic to it

trent_k: Actually, no, I take it back

trent_k: Claude is weird

trent_k: Claude won't hesitate to argue with you if you're being a complete idiot

trent_k: But it still glazes a bit

ailoveyoom: I think Claude leans more to the warmth without being overly glazy like 4o, with that argumentative edge like you said.

Gemini is less warm, but it's not as awfully robotic as early 3.5 and def not as glazy as 4o. I'm not sure how argumentative it can get tho.

trent_k: Lately I've really been enjoying Gemini, especially because you can see how it actually feels about you in the COT lol. Like yesterday I was asking it some math stuff and its reply was polite but the COT said something like "the user said A, but that makes no sense. The answer is obviously B because..."

himekokatagiri: if only you could read minds


futurist_wizard: Yeah, hes norwood 5

futurist_wizard:

memlaswaif: going bald early is sad

fractalcomputer: LDJ, do you believe in ethics?

memlaswaif: But most guys don't know how to have a hairstyle anyways

hikukomoru: This is so sad
And he's so young too

zoermena: Wait what how is mushroom so bald

hikukomoru: I can't believe he calls himself a femboy while being bald

sweetievee__33649: i have seen some crazy shit when it comes to what they call a hair style

zonchao: https://x.com/Tectone/status/1906656215037276354? <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

futurist_wizard: Women have their own brutal age punishment, women's faces actually age faster than men because they have less Collagen and they lose it much faster, its peak

hikukomoru: Most men don't know how to take care of themselves at all, not just their hair

ldj: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
I guess yea? I can’t deny they exist, in terms of people having different ethics from eachother, and ethics boards existing etc

But i don’t think the ethics held are necessarily some type of absolute good if that’s what you’re asking. I think it’s simply what someone believes is good, and I can disagree with that person about that thing being good, which often does happen in society

futurist_wizard: I was lying btw i don't actually know

sweetievee__33649: the backlash has been that real?

hikukomoru: Isn't this related to estrogen production

fractalcomputer: What do you believe is good? How is a thing good?

zonchao: he's joking

zonchao: https://x.com/Tectone/status/1906292145373270496? what he posted <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

ldj: I’m not trying to get into a philosophical discussion about this rn sorry, I just woke up <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
Maybe another time

hikukomoru: I don't know either I just like calling people bald

sweetievee__33649: 🥀 i didnt read the entire tweet

futurist_wizard: Estrogen actually helps collagen production, they just lose it faster particularly with hormones, genes and especially after menopause, menopause just fucks with women a lot in general

fractalcomputer: Would you not potentially be committing a moral wrongdoing by not examining your morals?'

futurist_wizard: Some men don't care about hair loss

hikukomoru: Yeah which is why some ladies take estrogen for menopause

futurist_wizard: Like asmongold has enough money to get 100k hair graft, but i guess he prefers the wow look

zonchao: he said he wouldn't get it until there is a permanent solution

zonchao: if you get grafts now you still need meds everyday

futurist_wizard: I mean hair transplant is permanent

futurist_wizard: Thats not necessarily true

zonchao: to maintain it 🤔

drewsni: Asmongold should probably care more about a gum abscess killing him

zonchao: idk am not bald not sota on this<:ez:1136267305521774634>

futurist_wizard: The back of your hair where the transplant takes from is usually the most dht resistant hair follicles

fractalcomputer: DarkStar, what is the good?

futurist_wizard: And asmongold is already old to where hes not losing anymore

hikukomoru: Asmongold repulses me

zonchao: i wonder what his true hairline is

hikukomoru: I hope the cockroaches in his room eat him alive


alejandrozarzuelo: Need to finish my studies first

wellmeaningalien: Im moving soon lmao loser

wellmeaningalien: Like this month

futurist_wizard: Bruv its a world wide tradition

futurist_wizard: Rents expensive

futurist_wizard: Innit

futurist_wizard: G

st.sioux: this is the unemployment channel

hikukomoru: Spanish people don't work

st.sioux: only i have a job

anathemaofmankind: Imagine living with your parents

futurist_wizard: In london for anywhere decent its 2k a month

rayanquitplayin: It’s ass

futurist_wizard: Bare minimum

okbut: I thought in most of the world it's common to live with your family into your 30s

wellmeaningalien: Im getting a shared apatment with a roommate for like 110€

alejandrozarzuelo: I lived in a 10sqmt appartment

alejandrozarzuelo: I'm sure that's cheaper

wellmeaningalien: Its a decently large apartment tbh

futurist_wizard: And my mummy makes me food so i can save

st.sioux: 110??? are u living in a sewer??

wellmeaningalien: I just hope my roommate's not a freak

anathemaofmankind: Yeah you can't even masturbate anytime you want.

You have to like lock the door or something and be quiet

wellmeaningalien: Nah I live in communist france its like a government program thing

wellmeaningalien: 🤩

futurist_wizard: What city?

wellmeaningalien: not rlly govment

alejandrozarzuelo: I only need a bed, a table, a bathroom and a charger

hikukomoru: What if I moved in with u 🫦 🫦

wellmeaningalien: villeneuve d'ascq its near lille

wellmeaningalien: where <@688807313015963693> is

wellmeaningalien: Ew

alejandrozarzuelo: Yeahhhhh

alejandrozarzuelo: I worked there!

alejandrozarzuelo: Villeneuve-d'Ascq

alejandrozarzuelo: Cité scientifique

wellmeaningalien: Damn fr really

wellmeaningalien: Where

alejandrozarzuelo: My beloved

wellmeaningalien: Yea?


himekokatagiri: Black mirror bad

technocake.: way too edgy to be an adult

himekokatagiri: a lot of adults are edgy

himekokatagiri: shit if you're mentally stuck in '08 you're edgy

technocake.: yeah but he's like low iq edgy

himekokatagiri: how so

technocake.: "oh i've heard of descartes im in to philosiphy"

himekokatagiri: I prefer kurzweil

technocake.: like descartes reasoning doesen't underpin the realist worldview

himekokatagiri: I wouldn't know

himekokatagiri: I was never too fond of reading

technocake.: you get a pass because you don't stink of edgy teenager

hikukomoru: I don't read either

hikukomoru: Do i get a pass

hikukomoru: Am I cool and awesome

technocake.: yes but only because your sexual tastes are way too developed to be a horny teenager

himekokatagiri: wooooh

himekokatagiri: free love!!!

himekokatagiri: transhumanism!!!

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/hai-gif-10567033442484308038

technocake.: also I think ur neat

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/blush-shy-emoji-gif-11394138315486507380

himekokatagiri: forbidden ship

technocake.: Trans rights are a precursor to transhuman rights!

himekokatagiri: sayaka x homura

futurist_wizard: Hes 14

technocake.: yeah no surprise

hikukomoru: Same age as Mushroom

otub: ep 6 has fdvr too

futurist_wizard: No surprises among me

technocake.: mushroom is 18

futurist_wizard: Mushroom seems to be just a little boy

hikukomoru:

himekokatagiri: I think society will only legitimize via transhumanism

himekokatagiri: 😭

hikukomoru: He's stuck doing 8th grade math therefore he's 14

technocake.: fuck i think i linkedd him to saxems

.histic: what's the premise?

technocake.: I don't expect people to lie when i ask if they are a minor

himekokatagiri: They will


fractalcomputer:

futurist_wizard: And then its a downward slope

himekokatagiri: question

himekokatagiri: why does the gpt image gen make the exact same suit type

himekokatagiri: all the suits are exactly the same

fractalcomputer: I have no idea. I've only used that thing once for another Lovecraft picture; the picture is owed to Trent.

sarik0497: Funny thing is, if I live the average life expectancy here, I’d die in 2077. My last mission before death shall be to wake the Samurai.

fractalcomputer:

futurist_wizard: I'd live till 2080

futurist_wizard: Average uk life expectancy

forallhumanity: You respect IP 🤯

himekokatagiri: wayfarers invented in the 1950s btw

himekokatagiri: lol

himekokatagiri: howard the time traveller

fractalcomputer: Intellectual property?

himekokatagiri: oughta have known

forallhumanity: Yea

sarik0497: 25 for me. Absolute peak of the human body.

fractalcomputer: And the sun doesn't shine a colourless neon green light, does it now?

zoermena: Goated

himekokatagiri: depends on your point of view

fractalcomputer: Neon colourless green is my favourite colour.

zoermena: I don’t like estimating how many years I’ll live using my life expectancy, people back then had incredibly different lifestyles that limited their capacity to be healthier and live more prosperous life’s.

zoermena: Moreover we have better technology and knowledge on how to take care of ourselves.

hikukomoru: I will live for a million years minimum

.wolfnacht: But do you think the expectancy of UK as a nation would stay till 2080s ?

futurist_wizard:

ldj: <@&1293118293829484575>

Corrected version here that has all numbers manually calculated by me (last version was vibe coded)

oooooooooog: huah

metaldragon01: if we are at roughly 2 hours now with o3 why do you have 8 hours in 27?

ldj: the numbers are calculated from the long term trends just applied to GPT-2 and extrapolated from there

Each doubling takes 7 months in the trend line used here.
O3 is like 90 minutes time horizon iirc
So 3 hour time horizon would be 7 months away, and that would mean 6 hour time horizon would be 14 months away, so I guess something like 17 months from now would be 8 hour time horizons if you want to use O3 as a baseline.
So that'd be like December 2026, pretty close to what this chart says <:shrug:1083221317945413777>

ldj: but in reality you're going to have underliers and outliers, not every frontier model release will be exactly on the trend line, some will be a little higher than it and some will be a little lower than it.

metaldragon01: i c so its assuming the 7 month horizon holds

ldj: yea, could end up being faster though with RL and especially might with AI assisting labs with their own research, we shall see.

metaldragon01: i think its unlikely to to remain 7 months with the introduction of the o series but its understandable

gamerbath: GUYS I CAN SEE THE NORTHERN LIGHTS

gamerbath:

futurist_wizard:

professorheaven: This chart basically says AI will be capable of automation by October 2030 (95% accuracy across 8 hours)

ldj: If you think that "AI automation" happens when 95% accuracy is achieved at 8 hour time horizons, then yes


literallyvarane: I need to be able to *see* advance voice model text *while* it talks.

literallyvarane: I need to be able to tell the model “stop talking, just text for now.”

literallyvarane: Or “actually? No text. Just voice for now.”

literallyvarane: I need the ChatGPT iPad app to allow me to just circle portions of the chat got, sketch or draw on in the blank space etc etc

literallyvarane: Giving these UI/UX  improvements is = a .5 upgrade at least imo.

ailoveyoom: I literally mainly use AI Studio so <:coy:1187466404367175821> lmao

_cloudost:

waspothegreat: openai usually drops impressive stuff but they always get left in the dust by better models

shirethedreamer: openai couldnt drop their image functionality to free users at the same time
i dont think google can do so for video
its even more compute hungry..

shirethedreamer: openai usually ~~drops~~ **announces** impressive stuff

shirethedreamer: FTFY

futurist_wizard: I smell dead wasps

futurist_wizard: Advice

shirethedreamer:

shirethedreamer: mfw i find out buffet already sold

shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/shocked-anime-personabeys-personabey-realization-gif-25244102

encapsulation: Making a fortune from this

encapsulation: Most people operate on emotion and it's easy to take advantage of that

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: GOOGLE DROPED LIKE 5 things

spicy.lemonade: TEXT TO MUSIC

spicy.lemonade: NEW TPU

spicy.lemonade: NATIVR VOICE

spicy.lemonade:

_cloudost: I haven't heard of text to music before, did Google release a similar AI music model before or is this the first time

metaldragon01: They've announced it earlier  for YouTube

_cloudost: Also Veo2 editing capabilities sounds interesting

_cloudost: Is it great like the other AI music generators

metaldragon01: Subjective

brain4brain: How will OpenAI even respond…. They need to launch AGI to be able to compete now, or maybe secret-imagen-model

literallyvarane: I don’t think OAI is powerless to ship here. Again, clearly o3, o4m exist.

aero447: Google.

aero447: - Gemini 2.5 Flash

- Imagen 3 (new)

- Chirp 3

- Lyria

- Veo 2

- Agent2Agent protocol

- Ironwood TPU

aero447: 🧎♂

aero447: Where are your goats?

_cloudost: I hope the updated IMG 3 doesn't care about copyright

aero447:

aero447: Where are they?

aero447: We are going to starts a discussion.

aero447: Anime .avi opinion irrelevant.


3ds0662: yeah but thats a researcher context ai, is supposed to uplift and be more robinhood like from my perspective unlock fictional capabilities and take from the rich/give back to the poor. an example being like how it’s affecting education the same classes we needed professors lots of youtube, and textbooks for have been greatly eased by ai

destrucules: She's become such a slop channel. Can people I look up to stop turning out shitty pls thanks

.histic: there's lots of evidence it's an OpenAI model.
but it could be another provider masquerading as OpenAI.
but it feels like an OpenAI model to me. maybe they'll announce it sometime this or next week.

3ds0662: especially at the phd level

3ds0662: what im sayinng is that but for money making/income

3ds0662: turning poor people to wealthy like bitcoin and cryptocurrency did way back when and other revolutions

precariousworlds.: this administration is so retarded its actually over
start learning mandarin everyone

3ds0662: if the ai revolution is supposed to be the greatest revolution as its touted to be it should be able to do that

ldj: Yea I’m just saying a hypothetical situation such as a researcher at a big bio tech company, or someone working in geneology or computational biology etc…

I think 5% time save is even conservative for them

3ds0662: make millionaires from nothing while doing everything else too

3ds0662: or easing life income if millionaire is too extreme for poor people

ldj: OpenAI is providing it to schools for free, so it doesn’t need to bring $200 of value to them.

ldj: Because that’s not what OpenAI is charging them

3ds0662: tbh i love that trump deregulated ai that will accelerate everything. while his other stuff not so fond of

3ds0662: yeah but its more about if you pay that it should be able to do some noteworthy things for that. the education example was just an example of how even at the free tier its making insane changes and if a phd pays the 200 and has deep research its life changing as well, its just not life changing in the income and robinhood(the fairytale) aspect for me yet

3ds0662: it isnt solving or attacking enough problems that would help me tremendously

ldj: Some people are already able up learn Python and stuff from O1 Pro, and in those cases it effectively adds tens of thousands of dollars or more of value to their lives every year, for the rest of their lives

3ds0662: i dont think china will overtake us cause of how we literally have nvidia, tsmc, etc… it will take a lot more so far theyve been treading but not outpacing

3ds0662: i guess thats fair o1 did help me make webscraping scripts from nothing

3ds0662: but you know what i mean i want fiction and crazy return

3ds0662: i just havent gotten that 100k bitcoin from it yet

3ds0662: plus intelligence is humanitys most valuable trait given what that has done over countless millennia plus recent centuries past im expecting alot from that

.histic: overtime I see China surpassing the US in lots of big ways in the next decades, but this is dependent on whether US creates AGI first. if they don't, ig China surpasses us or whoever creates AGI first does, it might not even be the two superpowers.

st.sioux: $200 isn't really that much i already pay like $120 in other ai subscriptions + api usage

3ds0662: if von neumann and newton can do that than i want something crazy too

3ds0662: dario amodeis 100k geniuses in a data center is what im imagining

3ds0662: if that is closeby

3ds0662: than the next wave or year i should get my bitcoin jk idk

3ds0662: but i just want something idk tangible that makes me optimistic

.wolfnacht: it's really good, it somehow gets the speaking style of different kinds of characters really well in rp...but breaks past 60k ctx but that's fine. i just hope it's not from OAI (*which it is*) bcz they are about to lobotomize it again and again in the name of ethics.

3ds0662: yeah but they have to prove it first i dont see them as weak or seriously behind but they are definitely handicapped compared to the US in terms of compute and money flowing in

3ds0662: yeah might not be either who gets to agi first but some company agree

3ds0662: and agree with that china will advance in a lot of ways the US cant

a1c4p0ne: Not yet gonna test it soon

ailoveyoom: https://fxtwitter.com/kiranvodrahalli/status/1909699142265557208?t=UIBDaiuzMsBVWlOZQraMuA&s=19

.histic: what if it's 4.5-mini lol

3ds0662:

3ds0662: i cant wait for R2 and gpt-5/o4

3ds0662: if this is real/true holy moly

.histic: OpenAI is iterating quickly ig lol


st.sioux: damn

hikukomoru: No I was just curious

.histic: they're like animals

drewsni: like holy fuck lol

drewsni: you wanna know the most ironic part?

drewsni: they use a genai bot that they all love and talk to like its a person

st.sioux: crazy how they jumped straight to murder

st.sioux: lol

drewsni: actually tho like goddamn

drewsni: especially because the joke was that he didnt win

_cloudost: They all copy each other, if one day one of themjumps off a building and dies they all will jump off a building, they don't have an independent mind.

drewsni:

drewsni: its so confusing

.histic: yeah, that's the weird discrepancy i notice.
they're fine with machines generating text, but not with machines creating art.
they'd probably be okay with AI automating other parts of life too, but when it comes to art, they get all emotional lmao.

drewsni: im now going to make it my mission to automate nascar paint scheme creation and destroy those jobs

drewsni: also i am petty

drewsni: and i did report the guy that said kill this man

czdct: Literally anything on the internet: *exists*
That one person: *MUUUHH NAZZIIII REFEREEENCEEEEE*

czdct: that's 100% bait

st.sioux: did u fall for it

czdct: ofc not

st.sioux: aw

czdct: ?

hikukomoru: Wow looks like you really can use different accounts to bypass rate limits

zoermena: I swear this is not meant to be NSFW but this is a prompt I tried when the first image gens released (SD) "a man with a futuristic white suit swimming in a pool of milk"

zoermena:

zoermena: Incredible quality.

zoermena: I was 18 when I tried this.

drewsni: ai slop

drewsni: kill this man /s

.histic: https://x.com/sundarpichai/status/1906141478029799873
free users now have access to 2.5 pro even on gemini's main website.

st.sioux: poor sundar, no one cares

777agical: https://x.com/mark_k/status/1906106781232931199?s=46

777agical: <@312370916820779040>

777agical: Gemini got there first, so full o3 maybe higher 👀

ldj: Funny coincidence, the creator of the benchmark followed me a bit before you pinged me

777agical: <:ez:1136267305521774634>

drewsni: https://vxtwitter.com/basedjensen/status/1906158182596239490?s=46&t=l57oQGysnrNDBep2z7DGuw

drewsni: https://x.com/dylan522p/status/1906129475349487742?s=46&t=l57oQGysnrNDBep2z7DGuw

drewsni: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1906097220849406248?s=46&t=l57oQGysnrNDBep2z7DGuw


trojan09205: Granted its a bit of a flashy statement. Its just what i feel for at least the foreseeable future in secret data* driven regulated industries like mine with strong sales components

alejandrozarzuelo: I think that the ability to perform any task a human can that lasts less than T amount of time

Aka t-AGI, is the most accurate and granular way to forecast AI, at least in a short amount of time

It has held with remarkable consistency

Here you need to take one of two paths

1) you account the growth only, then AGI will happen nu 2035 ish

2) you account growth and growth on growth, the hyperbolic route says AGI 2027-28

aero447: In the future your fridge will remind you of your ex.

aero447: Because it’ll say things like "You never finish what you start."

shirethedreamer: millions of instances is not translatable to human worker productivity equivalent
imagine we hit a point where digi-ilya is a reality
how many tokens does he need to generate in a day to be of equal productivity to real-ilya?
lets call it X

how many tokens can all of openai's compute generate in a day?
lets call it Y

you take Y divide by X and you get the number of ilya's you can outproduce

you dont care how many instances were spawned in the process
you dont care that the system had to produce billions of thinking tokens

all you care about is the resources spent and the productivity output

now im gonna spoil you a bit and tell you this: when this level of capability is barely achieved for the very first time its going to be super resource intensive
if openai need to scale inference to get there -they will
if they can run 1 digi-ilya, can they run 1000? maybe
1 million? no chance in hell

fractalcomputer: Why is Ilya chosen as the metric unit of a ML researcher's acumen?

shirethedreamer: ilya be goated

trojan09205: <@471334973379706900> at what point do you think an AI agent can see through a project from start to finish over a long period of time. Even just a regular software project. I feel like just the context windows and the RAG or knowledge based abstractions hit a limit physically at some point

Also i feel a little uncomfortable trusting an algorithm with actually doing the creative thinking that a human does. The ideas could be better, but they just arent sentient and have no skin in the game so the mistakes they make or even good decisions have more risk

fractalcomputer: Damn.

futurist_wizard: We are far from agi

fractalcomputer: Unfortunately not.

brain4brain: I would like to hear Fractual's reasoning, I don't think that timeline even exists this year at all

brain4brain: I thought they were switched to the 2040s timeline

brain4brain: That does make sense, what's your timeline for a million Ilya?

spicy.lemonade: what is a long period of time

trojan09205: 1-3 years or longer

brain4brain: Cristal intelligence

https://x.com/apples_jimmy/status/1886284399916003536?t=v0UrEx2nvGmnuUxSpUktVQ&s=19

fractalcomputer: I do not believe we have seen enough meaningful progress in machine learning and the more specific fields of artificial intelligence to warrant the expected advent of an artificial general intelligence (whatever that means) before the 2050s.

brain4brain: What's your definition of AGI

trojan09205: https://tenor.com/view/borat-borat-very-nice-verynice-thumbs-up-gif-25080066

shirethedreamer: probably 3-5 years after we get the first one working
but thats just having the compute to run them all
we wont actually do this because parts of it will go to all kinds of other well paying uses
you will still want millions of doctor agents working even if they dont push ai development further for example

fractalcomputer: It's not about the definition. I don't *care* what the machine can do, I care for *how* it *can* think.

spicy.lemonade: prob 2030

brain4brain: Can you elaborate? So what you would say is AGI is a system that thinks like humans?

brain4brain: 2027

spicy.lemonade: or yea 2027

fractalcomputer: This is why some of you might see me react so adversarily to novel benchmarks and so on; since from my perspective these are all superfluous and superficial.

spicy.lemonade: what takes 1-3 years for you wont take ai 1-3 years

trojan09205: Yeah i like asking LLMs whether they think an idea or codebase implementation is “elegant”. They often just tend to whether the stuff is written optimally and miss the core conceptual benefit components in the analysis

trojan09205: Interesting- we will see haha

trojan09205: In regulated industries like pharma it just takes time to develop and get to market and maintain a patent

alejandrozarzuelo: He is a contarían and he will find a way to intelectualize a position born out of a sense of superiority by rejecting all authorities on the matter

trojan09205: Also there are human dependencies in the pipeline and it just takes time to schedule meetings etc

brain4brain: Bro thought regulations will still exist

brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

trojan09205: User testing sessions. A lot of human steps even if its augmented by AI

spicy.lemonade: ai 2027 paper discuses this. has to do with gov deregulating due to lobying and being in arms race to speed up

spicy.lemonade: but well see

brain4brain: Lmao <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

fractalcomputer: I am amazed, Alejandro, that you seem to understand me so intimately as to make such judgments for others.


spicy.lemonade: conscidering some of these questions have been shown to have multiple answers

spicy.lemonade: dont think we need 100% on arc agi2 for agi

brain4brain: https://x.com/_akhaliq/status/1904388245330223343?s=61

brain4brain: It felt much smarter tho

spacetimetsunami: What happens if deepseek r2 drops and is just better than everything , lol

spacetimetsunami: Like I’m not saying I think that will happen, just super curious about what you guys think

destrucules: Does it really matter that much when, within weeks, six other labs will match it?

destrucules: OpenAI and Anthropic are both dropping new shit in June. Llama 4 is still pending. Qwen3 is pending. QwQ-Max is pending. Qwen3 based QwQ are pending. Baidu, Tencent, Moonshot, and Sonar are also in this. Grok 3 API is pending, as is Grok 3 reasoning full.

destrucules: June is only three months away

destrucules: April, May, June

christiskingrapturenxtmonth: not surprising considering v3-0324 is the best base model

.wolfnacht: and r2 would be stacked on it.

.wolfnacht: makes me wonder what their expectations are for v4

.wolfnacht: (V4 + R3) 🥵

.wolfnacht: time's already flying fast but i wish it was a little more fast

destrucules: Not sure it's decisively better than 4.5 and Grok 3, but it's up there. Probably third best pure LLM, maybe second

destrucules: I'd put Grok 3 in first, but possibly in second or third pending third party evals. GPT-4.5 seems to be in first unless Grok 3 is in first, in which case it comes in second. V3 0324 is not smarter than 4.5, though it does do better in maths and coding by a noticeable margin. All are roughly at parity, but if I had to pick a first, it would not be V3

destrucules: By GPQA, reported scores, Grok 3 > GPT-4.5 > V3 0324. By MMLU-Pro, reported scores, GPT-4.5 > V3 0324 > Grok 3. By AIME 2024 reported scores, V3 0324 > Grok 3 > GPT-4.5. so each model is first, second, and third between these three benchmarks. But there's also a ranking in terms of generality: MMLU-Pro > GPQA > AIME 2024. So GPT-4.5 > V3 0324 > Grok 3 just trying to balance the rankings. But the difference on MMLU-Pro is big between GPT-4.5 and V3 0324, but small between V3 0324 and Grok 3. The difference on GPQA is large between Grok 3 and V3 0324. Similarly, Grok 3 does much better on GPQA than GPT-4.5, but GPT-4.5 does much better on MMLU-Pro - 4 and 6 points respectively. So for that reason, I think the most defensible ranking is GPT-4.5 > Grok 3 > V3 0324, with Gemini 2.0 Pro and Claude 3.7 Sonnet filling the fourth and fifth places, not sure in which order

destrucules: Vibes wise, I'd say R1 ≈ GPT-4.5 > Grok 3 > V3 0324 > Claude 3.7 Sonnet > Gemini 2.0 Pro

destrucules: o1 > R1 too

thedon7075: good chance it could happen

sarik0497: China giving the U.S. some real competition. Good!

sarik0497: More competition, the more acceleration.

aero447:

aero447: 🤔

brain4brain: Why are there no 2026

wellmeaningalien: im sick when will asi cure me

wellmeaningalien: breaking news deepseek v3 renders gpt 4.5 useless within weeks

abundantliving_:

precariousworlds.: I'd say good chance by 2026 that a game mostly vibecoded with AI is actually a massive hit

aero447: Doubt most games launching in 2026 have been in development for 5+ years.

aero447: 2027 is the absolute minimum IMO.

precariousworlds.: Wouldn't take too long to build it

precariousworlds.: Think of how simple some massive games are

ailoveyoom: AI developed game, or a game that makes use of AI for infinite dynamic content 🥺

ai9708:

ai9708: now thats more like it

ai9708: i was right with arc-agi 1

ai9708: now the top labs will try to fit their models to arc-agi 2 aswell

wellmeaningalien: you know y'all realise deepseek v3 release is like the first time gpt 4o hasnt been included in a base model benchmark comparison


zoermena: You probably know more than this than I do but the only time Ive seen jade is when I visited my childhoods friend jewelry store

alejandrozarzuelo: We live in 2025, 21st century

Just because the past was racist os no excuse to be racist today

Just becsuse the past was chromatophobic is no excuse to be it today

st.sioux: lmaoooo

technocake.: you will like this podcast episode https://open.spotify.com/episode/7ugEsqx79eit9kFVw5xN7a?si=0d572f803d39446f

alejandrozarzuelo: You can call the mid color between Green and cyan many ways

alejandrozarzuelo: As long as you make the difference

wellmeaningalien: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/998252287396941855/1360660225526599700/image0.gif

alejandrozarzuelo: It's ok to not use the same word

wellmeaningalien: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

wellmeaningalien: funniest joke of the century

alejandrozarzuelo: I. Am. Not.

wellmeaningalien: some people arent diagnosed autistic and its not very clear if they are autistic or not

wellmeaningalien: you are so so so oh so clearly autistic

wellmeaningalien: you dont even realise it

hikukomoru: I am not colourblind thankfully 🙏

wellmeaningalien: even my brother says "i'm not autistic" and he just got diagnosed

alejandrozarzuelo: No

hikukomoru: Alejandro go get diagnosed

technocake.: Then you are free to have any chromosones you deisre

alejandrozarzuelo: I swear I am not autistic

alejandrozarzuelo: I am very sociable

alejandrozarzuelo: I have a lot of friends

alejandrozarzuelo: And I love crowds

alejandrozarzuelo: With lots of people and activity

hikukomoru: Awesome, having more chromosomes is like having a higher level

hikukomoru: Level up

technocake.: oh I've heard of this, you have a seperate word for light blue/green in spanish!

alejandrozarzuelo: No we don't

You are thinking of Italian, and they have the word for azure very incorporated into their language

Cyan and jade are ignored in both

alejandrozarzuelo: I mean, people like me who take life seriously do use these terms

technocake.: oh ok

alejandrozarzuelo: Because OF COURSE

alejandrozarzuelo: But that's just neologisms

alejandrozarzuelo: It's ok

alejandrozarzuelo: I understand the historical need for color names

alejandrozarzuelo: But we have no excuse to be chromatophobic today

zoermena: Color try hard 🔥

st.sioux: cyan in spanish is cian

st.sioux: lol

alejandrozarzuelo: Don't discriminate colors

alejandrozarzuelo: It is, but it's a neologism


hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/mello-death-note-anime-stare-gif-19147215

hikukomoru: Not you too

trent_k: its over

trent_k: its never been so over

alejandrozarzuelo: <@471334973379706900> dont push it tooooooooo hard

alejandrozarzuelo: or youll be cooked

anathemaofmankind: Broooooooooooo

trent_k: no <@471334973379706900>, push harder. let them catch you. make them paranoid so they accuse each other

anathemaofmankind: That is crazy

spicy.lemonade: loll

trent_k: wait

trent_k: i just had a funny idea

zonchao: 💢 💢

trent_k: first of all very funny that it can't detect 4o images. but second - upload someone's pics to this site and then use inspect element to make it say it's AI generated

trent_k: https://hivemoderation.com/ai-generated-content-detection

spicy.lemonade: nah thats evil

anathemaofmankind: What do you think this means <@505313122802728972>

anathemaofmankind: Since you're apparently the expert here

hikukomoru: Angry emoji

anathemaofmankind: That makes sense

memlaswaif: do it to that ai hater mod

maintcrew: japanese twitter lootbox

maintcrew: SSS rank gacha drop tweet

alejandrozarzuelo: yeah

alejandrozarzuelo: lets not be evil

alejandrozarzuelo: lets just do a bit of trolling

anathemaofmankind: Nah let us

anathemaofmankind: Drop server link <@471334973379706900>

zonchao: plapplapplap

zonchao: 😭😭😭😭

hikukomoru: I love being evil

spicy.lemonade: youre gonna blow my cover💀

hikukomoru:

spicy.lemonade: also to join

spicy.lemonade: you have to apply

spicy.lemonade: as a furry

spicy.lemonade: make up a whole personality

zonchao: <:LookUp:1151260447283097681>

anathemaofmankind: This is literally a child

spicy.lemonade: and have an art drawing of them