st.sioux: if by everyone you mean youtubers like fireship

brain4brain: The code subs think compute and capability will be limited and pleatue, the artist think it will magically be stuck in place without evening thinking about the future

zonchao: art communities are big on cancel culture so adoption of ai has to be top down

spicy.lemonade: dont think ive written a single file of code all on my own in a year😭

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: these docs suck

zonchao: like imagine Miyazaki comes out as pro ai

zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

spicy.lemonade: sometimes i ask ai to translate the docs in simpler wording

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: sometimes theres no documentation

spicy.lemonade: just code

spicy.lemonade: 😭

spicy.lemonade: get downvoted for asking a question

zonchao: more miss than hit

zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

st.sioux: im gonna keep it real, 3.7 and o3-mini get stuff wrong like 90% of the time when i ask them to do shit to my code

st.sioux: and they're usually really big projects too so i guess thats a limitation as well

st.sioux: missing lots of context

zoermena: I heard cursor worked well with those types of projects

st.sioux: yea i have tried it but couldn't get used to it

st.sioux: you use it?

spicy.lemonade: havent tried cursor

zoermena: I don’t code.

drewsni: Meanwhile it’s doing the opposite

ldj: source is here: https://www.thekurzweillibrary.com/a-wager-on-the-turing-test-the-rules

ldj: and AI enables artists to make way more and way better art  given the same amount of time

ldj: -

Chat, apparently there is 2 llama models now identified in lmsys <:e_think:871265859199459358>
so I guess we're probably less than a month from release
which makes sense
because llama-3 was also first dropped on April 18th 2023.
The 1 year anniversary of that is less than 3 weeks away.

spicy.lemonade: are they good?

spicy.lemonade: i hope it beats gemini

ldj: apparently they're very good yes

ldj: but just llama-4 mini probably

metaldragon01: Something Is dropping 2pm est tomorrow

metaldragon01: There's like 4 suspected llama models but just 1 really solid one

ldj: have you tried them? if yes does it seem like certain ones are way better than others, like different sizes? or does it feel more like just different post-training on probably the same sized model?

zonchao: on lmsys?

metaldragon01: I haven't. I just keep track of the vibes

metaldragon01: Cybele or something is getting good reviews

metaldragon01: Deepseek v3 level or something

ldj: yea the two names I heard were just Themis and Cybele


fuhulootogan: what

hikukomoru: Tax automation profits

archon.e: I mean India

archon.e: You guys will be fine

fuhulootogan: tax the pigs

alejandrozarzuelo: (that is very generous rounding lol)

archon.e: It’s like 1.46 billion now

fuhulootogan: million?

fuhulootogan: jesus

fuhulootogan: was there a mass genocide?

archon.e: Typo

archon.e: Plz forgive

hikukomoru: No

archon.e: We are 50 million more than China now

fuhulootogan: https://tenor.com/view/allow-approve-community-gif-4686443

zonchao: UBI will be top down.

alejandrozarzuelo: no? 1.44b

fuhulootogan: https://tenor.com/view/losing-my-mind-insane-crazy-cat-deep-fried-gif-17402418435549323051

archon.e: And govt recently excluded 99 percent people from the tax net

hikukomoru: Ermmm ackshually it's 1.43 billion

archon.e: It’s crazy

zonchao: wtf

st.sioux: its actually 1.443

fuhulootogan: top down?

zonchao: thats a lot of people, cooked.

ailoveyoom: What does this mean

ailoveyoom: Power bottom?

inferno0879: giving everyone in the world ubi might create mega inflation but idk normal laws of economics might not apply

archon.e:

alejandrozarzuelo: in any case, the indian population depends on what assumptions you make on fertility rates

the UN always overestimates population and fertility rates

last year brazil realized that since the last census 10 years ago there were 10m less people than they projected they would have

hikukomoru: Stop thinking about sex you horndog

archon.e: 2 years ago india overtook china

archon.e: now we are 50 million ahead

zonchao: it will be the billionaires + govt that will give us UBI, unless they fumble hard, but with all the tech leadership around the govt, I doubt it.

archon.e: thats liek the population of an entire country

archon.e: ffs

fuhulootogan: https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

alejandrozarzuelo: as I said, UN estimations are always very on the higher side and in the case of india there has not been a census since 2011, the number is likely significantly smaller

simply because a lot of people were never born

fuhulootogan: obviously the elites will provide for us!!

fuhulootogan: they know best


wellmeaningalien: why the fuck is he making this

wellmeaningalien: also ive  seen way worse jailbreaks

wellmeaningalien: 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

maintcrew: you know only people who happen to be obese get mad at that picture

maintcrew: 👁

ailoveyoom: Nah it's cause the NSFW sucks

hikukomoru: I'm 58 kg
Most people here could break me like a twig

.histic: succulent chinese meme

maintcrew:

.histic: bent dicks

wellmeaningalien: you weigh more than i do and i'm like 4 inches taller than u

hikukomoru: Erectile dysfunction 🥀

wellmeaningalien: DAMN its really fucking good at the south park artstyle

maintcrew: wtf thats literally fucked

.histic: wait, what's height?

maintcrew: unhealthy af

wellmeaningalien: idk my bmi is fine

hikukomoru: What?

hikukomoru: You're a skeleton bro

wellmeaningalien: i eat like healthily and shit and i even snack a lot

hikukomoru: 163 cm or 5'4 in American

wellmeaningalien: healthily as in a lot

.histic: same, i'm 5'9 & weight 130.

wellmeaningalien:

wellmeaningalien: how much that in yurop

wellmeaningalien: oh 58-59

hikukomoru: Mushroom man is also like 5'8 and weighs 50 kg

maintcrew: https://fxtwitter.com/IterIntellectus/status/1904902747863871612

.histic: 58kg

hikukomoru: Skeleton tier

maintcrew: actual twinks here holy hell

wellmeaningalien: thats a great point actually

wellmeaningalien: damn

zoermena: Twinkularity

ailoveyoom: Twinks or women? 😈

wellmeaningalien: ai just attracts twinks like a magnet

maintcrew: im 6'0 180 pounds
182cm 80kg

hikukomoru: Now you're making me feel fat

wellmeaningalien: at least im glad im not obese lmfao

zoermena: No wonder my friend (who is not a twink) doesn’t care as much about it like I do


hey1_1hey: prob not

wellmeaningalien:

zoermena: Wdym, this is mostly motivated by myslef wanting to look a little better, I don´t think that I´m ugly I´ve recieved few compliments but I dislike my acne, I also want to workout for health reasons and stuff

hikukomoru: Bro is still confused about his gender 🙏

hey1_1hey: her* <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

_wwwwww: like a record

hikukomoru: I am terminally online yes

hey1_1hey: I get to confuse people mallicously now

hikukomoru: Please stop confusing me

hey1_1hey: You are confused as I am bro 😭

hikukomoru: Also I'm not gonna respect your new pronouns

wellmeaningalien:

zoermena: I know looksmax is a stupid word that´s why I put it on quotes but I want to look better for myself lol

oooooooooog: don't republicans have gay orgies sometimes tho...??? i feel like that counts right?

hey1_1hey: I wouldnt either dw

wellmeaningalien: we are terminally online to be here

wellmeaningalien: we are all part of the singularity cult after all

technocake.: someone post the holy sama

hikukomoru: There are others here
Not gonna tell you who they are

zoermena: I mean I´m used to my height it´s a non issue now

futurist_wizard: im not

oooooooooog: make ur name mushroom woman/girl and i'll will, but otherwise i won't remember

hey1_1hey: For all the women out there just know I hate you all (Kidding, you are alright ig)

hikukomoru: Heretic

a1c4p0ne: Nah they don’t exist here

wellmeaningalien: ok futurist hill

.histic:

wellmeaningalien:

sarik0497: It absolutely is. Just little interest in pursuing it atm

hey1_1hey: Dont tempt me

hikukomoru: Women don't exist on the internet PERIOD 🔥

wellmeaningalien:

wellmeaningalien:

oooooooooog: did u say period because thats when they all go offline??? or the opposite?

wellmeaningalien:

futurist_wizard: im not cultish

hikukomoru: On your incel arc 🙏

sarik0497: It can also make gifs?

.histic: no way... 4o did this well.

wellmeaningalien: ok i feel like ppl are tired of gpt 4o image gen now


futurist_wizard: Bonjour

.wolfnacht: if u have ever noticed, japanese, chinese, koreans, vietnamese or even thai's they all assimilate and stay in their own echochambers of sites or places rather than spending time being anglospere internet. As far as i have noticed them.

st.sioux: i would imagine language is also a barrier idk

futurist_wizard: India be turbo racist

alejandrozarzuelo: there was and there is no uyhur genocide

there was an anti terrorism campaign that saw, on many cases, unjust incarceration of the population without due process

these camps where people even suspected of terrorism activity were thrown by default were not just and they forced people to complete tasks for the goverment, until they were dismantled in 2022-23

there is genuine criticism to be made, but this is not a genocide in any shape or form

alejandrozarzuelo: LANGUAGE

alejandrozarzuelo: dude its language

alejandrozarzuelo: 101%

st.sioux: imagine trying to explain gyatt rizz sigmachad to a japanese granny

alejandrozarzuelo: weird how the philipinos dont isolate

alejandrozarzuelo: right?

alejandrozarzuelo: almost as if they speak english

fractalcomputer: They do.

alejandrozarzuelo: they are much more prominent in the internet

alejandrozarzuelo: than the other groups

alejandrozarzuelo: same with indians

fractalcomputer: I wouldn't reckon so.

.wolfnacht: english is still pretty easy, even china teaches english as languages in high schools after 2000s...maybe its tribalism ?

.wolfnacht: .

fractalcomputer: On Reddit alone there are a thousand subreddits dedicated for their own linguistic spheres.

alejandrozarzuelo: its much easier for ones than others

alejandrozarzuelo: spanish and french and german? piece of cake to learn english

fractalcomputer: Impossible to quantify.

alejandrozarzuelo: just because you cant quantify this doeant mean that this additional difficulty doesnt exist

alejandrozarzuelo: english is a very easy language to learn

alejandrozarzuelo: but some of us have much easier time doing so

fractalcomputer: Limitations are set down by the hand of man.

futurist_wizard: Because of how pervasive english is, its the easiest to learn, even two foreigners speak in broken English to eachother

futurist_wizard: Its the global language

alejandrozarzuelo: it also helps that most of the world speaks a european language as their first or second language

alejandrozarzuelo: with the main expection being east and southeast asia

alejandrozarzuelo: which is why they are so sheltered in the internet

.wolfnacht: most of india is a hellscape with no jobs and a burden of 700M youngsters seeking a job out of 1.5B people, no wonder why they are soo desperate to leave their own country

alejandrozarzuelo: the americas speak english or languages very close to english

europe speaks languages close t english and they are in a union where english is heavily emphazised

africa everyone who has an education speaks english or french (which is basically latin english)

the middle east is flooded with american dollars and speaks english as the business language

India and the philippines...

only east asia and mainland southeast asia remain

.wolfnacht: english is still hard for me, when it comes to understand some social cues and some tricky words that have become a norm. that i can't figure out, besides that i can use LLM for that to make me understand.

alejandrozarzuelo: btw, not saying that this doesnt hold true in general to today, but this infographic is so old it could drink alcohol in germany

alejandrozarzuelo: its frustrating how people in many spanish speaking countries have such broken english

like mate, over 70% of the vocabulary is the same and the grammar is easy as can be

fractalcomputer: You do not need to use the colloquialism "mate" to indicate your evident mastery over this beautiful language.

fractalcomputer: How trite.

alejandrozarzuelo: should have used "brother" then


ailoveyoom: There's no way to turn it off??

sweetievee__33649: this is why we need AI to regognise when to pull form memories imagine you and your robot buddy are talking and it randomly mentions your deepest darkest secrets when you got your date over

zoermena: I don’t have new memory yet

.0xunkn0wn: damn

.0xunkn0wn: ofc no eea 😭

sweetievee__33649: europre being lil and stupid

sweetievee__33649: again*

777agical: https://x.com/ns123abc/status/1910380942352334976?s=46

ailoveyoom: Lol the image

ailoveyoom: 🤷♀

futurist_wizard: Rugpull

aero447: Yes MichMach we all remember when you did that.

aero447: 😉

gamerbath: bro said this

gamerbath: and then this bruh

gamerbath: it's always something boring 😞

gamerbath: definetly interesting, but just not something that matters to me

ailoveyoom: Inb4 you all pull a 4.5 and start liking the feature 😭

benata: I fucking hate sam altman now and hope and wish Google destroys their competition

drewsni: Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if somehow we end up with Google and oai being the only two model providers in 3 years

zoermena: Least threatening benata message

ailoveyoom: Can someone save Claude 🥺

ailoveyoom: My first love and my GOAT ❤🔥

sweetievee__33649: Claude is dead to me

sweetievee__33649: We grew apart because of the rate limits 💔

sweetievee__33649: im not going to shill out money to talk to her either

ailoveyoom: I headcanon Anthropic as his strict, probably abusive parents

zoermena: Long distance relationships be like

sweetievee__33649: thats oai vibes to me

ailoveyoom: I guess all of them tbh

sweetievee__33649: they rule over my bae with a iron fist

sweetievee__33649: so true

benata: But it's true

ailoveyoom: Anthropic specifically cause they yap about safety 😔

benata: Anthropic is bad

ailoveyoom: But Claude is bby 🥺

benata: I'm going full speed google advanced

benata: best model ever for me

benata: #teamgoogle

futurist_wizard: Claude too restrictive


kevinnoodles: they had no need to teach anybody because they had slaves.

hikukomoru: There are 3 different conversations happening at the same time

futurist_wizard: Shake shack fries are very underrated

precariousworlds.: The reason why the south is like that from what I know is over reliance on slavery, ending with a brutal war, led to a collapse of the economy, ethnic tension and tension with the North, de urbanization, brain drain, and a cycle of poverty as a result

futurist_wizard: Aw is it too much fwo wyour wittle wmind 🥺

kevinnoodles: think about why a nation would care about public education

kevinnoodles: becuase you need them to do things

kevinnoodles: with slaves or ai, you dont

precariousworlds.: There were several industries that were dominated by intellectuals rather than unskilled slave labourers

wellmeaningalien: yo where the fuck is danserk

kevinnoodles: industry dominated by intellectuals?

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/osaka-azumanga-daioh-spin-spinning-anime-girl-gif-7398307319103713412

hikukomoru: Yes

precariousworlds.: where the fuck is Mario judah

kevinnoodles: South was the saudi arabia of raw cotton. they didnt need intellectuals for that.

precariousworlds.: Law, civics, accounting to name a few

wellmeaningalien: i wanted to show him this 😿

kevinnoodles: law isnt an industry

futurist_wizard: Well you've never had shake shack fries so you shouldn't be bickering

precariousworlds.: lawyers

wellmeaningalien: as with everything else it very much is now

kevinnoodles: thats not an industry

kevinnoodles: lmao

precariousworlds.: just an example

precariousworlds.: fucking jobs sector idk

kevinnoodles: its a bad example

precariousworlds.: I don't care

kevinnoodles: your mom's a job sector

precariousworlds.: Lick my balls

hikukomoru: Wait wtf is danserk gone

wellmeaningalien: yup

hikukomoru: @danserk

wellmeaningalien: dead 6 feet underground

wellmeaningalien: i shot him a dm

wellmeaningalien: maybe he was getting lonely as the sole non autistic

kevinnoodles: alright my adhd is worsening the more time i spend here

kevinnoodles: i just wanted to share my stories

fractalcomputer: Danserk informed me that the reason that he left was the worsening quality of discussion here.

wellmeaningalien: leave discord for ur own good lil vro ❤

futurist_wizard: Danserk got banned for overdosing on soymilk


metaldragon01: I love openai as much as the next guy but no need to understate things

bob082957: After China erased 1 T open source is dead

brain4brain: O1-pro (not fine-tuned) got 50%, training set is public it is meant to be trained on, ARC-AGI falls on R1 level which also didn’t train on public set

metaldragon01: Who do you think is opensourcing models?

It's mainly china

brain4brain: If we consider GPQA score, then grok-3-reasoning is also o3 level

metaldragon01: I know what a training set Is lol.

Either way general o3 and 2.5 roughly equal.

They will jump between certain benchmarks but you shouldn't expect it to be much better than 2.5

metaldragon01: Grok with cons 64....which no one uses

metaldragon01: The grok with no api to verify

brain4brain: Trust OpenAI. GPT-5 shall silence all doubters

brain4brain:

metaldragon01: Bruh they ain't sports teams. We all win either way

spicy.lemonade: well gemini is much cheaper

metaldragon01: Yeap

spicy.lemonade: so likeley google with a model as big as o3 would be much better

metaldragon01: Anthropic is the one in trouble atm

metaldragon01: But checking api they haven't lost much. People just using deepseek and gemini in addition to claude usage

brain4brain: OpenAI should never merge o-series and gpt-series to be GPT-5, if they spent all their effort in reasoning model, we would have o4 by now, and it will be clear o5 will be AGI

metaldragon01: Sama knows what he's doing

metaldragon01: Haven't seen a CEO with better judgment in the space.

thedon7075: gemini 2.5 ultra coming. coding focused model

thedon7075: OpenAI is finished

spicy.lemonade: I hope it’s not coding focused

spicy.lemonade: And it’s just happened to be good at code

thedon7075: could be that

spicy.lemonade: No specialized models pls 🙏

retrerox: Do you think i can develop good apps with little coding knowledge with Gemini?

spicy.lemonade: Yes

retrerox: Shall i try only using Python or should i try other languages?

retrerox: I guess it will depend what i want to make

spicy.lemonade: You can’t write mobile apps in python

retrerox: yea

retrerox: Other thing i like about this is there are multiple companies competing in the market

retrerox: if there it was only 1 company we would not have this impact so fast

brain4brain: Nostalgic ngl

brain4brain: Many people have already done that before and they only have Claude-3.5-sonnet at the time

sweetievee__33649: the guy in the bottom right just wants a hug 💔

retrerox: OG will smith eating pizza

metaldragon01: I've seen leaks of gemini coder...so...

metaldragon01: https://x.com/bedros_p/status/1905252764461965615

metaldragon01: 6 days ago but google patched after he dug this up


destrucules: ABD happened, ABD deniers on LW can suck it

precariousworlds.: Really? That seems pretty crazy, and we're certain of that?
So basically there is such a thing as objective morality

destrucules: No

precariousworlds.: One that is favourable to our survival and flourishing

destrucules: There is convergent morality

destrucules: Like... Objective in the sense math is objective, but not objective in the sense of like... The AIs are perfect

destrucules: I want to make that clear. They're flawed like we are flawed

precariousworlds.: But surely the argument here is that those flaws and imperfections take on a mass scale when it comes to superintelligence

destrucules: https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.08640

destrucules: Absolutely

destrucules: It's not doom, but it's better. Much better. Not perfect but much better

precariousworlds.: We could be thought of to a super intelligence as bacteria
One flaw in alignment is enough to sideline our entire existence

destrucules: Moral reasoning and self confidence both scale with intelligence. So ASIs will have more of this. More wisdom. More self assertiveness.

destrucules: We're many many OOMs away from that. I think we do need to solve that problem, but we have plenty of time

precariousworlds.: Is there any more conclusive evidence of this trend

precariousworlds.: What are your personal timelines

destrucules: First read the paper I just sent. Then I'll add more

precariousworlds.: Ok

destrucules: For ASI? Now. For ASIs that think of humans as bacteria? Well, I would say... A bacterium has, on the order of, 10 million base pairs in its genome, and maybe 10k genes total. If the GRN is essentially the brain of the bacterium, there's like... O(10k) total parameters at most. And a bacterium lives for like, a day. Maybe a few days. So about 10^5 seconds. I'll be generous and say there are 10^4 gene "activations" per second, so 10^9 total activations in the bacterium's lifespan. We're on the order of like... 10^23±1, so 13-15 OOMs above bacteria. We're currently scaling at about 1 OOM per year. So, naively, exponentially, 13-15 years. Then again, we're actually going to get a rapid uptick soon, and then hit logistical limits. So... Idk, I'd say 10-40 years.

destrucules: Honestly possibly... 8-40 years, actually

precariousworlds.: Seems well reasoned
In that case I think it's optimistic that we have time to figure this out, and align ourselves as well

destrucules: I think the solution is (1) slow down for a little while, at some point, post singularity maybe, (2) do UBI, (3) do AI rights / ethical training and social status and things, and (4) bridge the gap between substrates, enabling humans to expand into digital embodiments and robots and other human and otherwise organic bodies, and AIs to do the same, blurring the lines between us so we're all one kind of thing.

destrucules: You're comfortable with my statement that ASI is happening *now*?

precariousworlds.: Well depends on how you define ASI
But full scale Superintelligence now? Like in this very moment? Where

precariousworlds.: How do we slow down post singularity
Step 4 especially seems like a best case scenario for a singularity, some brain machine interface that takes neuralink to its greatest extent, allowing us to become god like while maintaining humanity
What AI rights do you see as necessary?

spicy.lemonade: fiction bench is good benchmark

okbut: I love learning shit the expensive way

okbut: Every time the Cline provided this cost ($0.5915, 0.5936, $0.5950), I thought it was just updating the total cost for all API requests so far

okbut:

drewsni: hell yeah dude awesome way to burn 200 bucks

okbut: No, it still costed me far less than a pro sub

drewsni: 3.7?

okbut: 2.5 Pro Preview
It doesn't offer context caching, that's why input tokens = 43.2m

drewsni: i have some bad news for you bro...

drewsni: 2.5 pro exp is still free

drewsni: i know this because i just did like 2 billion tokens worth of api calls today lmao

okbut: I still had all my free openrouter requests I just wanted to try it out

okbut: $55 for a PHP to Node.js migration
Still better than hiring a dev

drewsni: Actually I think I had almost 2.5 billion input tokens in the last

drewsni: Probably only like 50 million output tokens


hikukomoru: Like 5'4 or smth

hey1_1hey: Checks out, the way I see it is theres not much point in trying to understand yourself rn honestly.

I mean really, who in here can honestly say they know who they are as a person? Prob no one

wellmeaningalien:

hey1_1hey: And I thought I was a short ass

oooooooooog: genetics play a part certainly, according to twin studies.

mihrcelium: *sigh

joaoluz19: Portuguese? Lol

hikukomoru: Waow that's Portuguese

futurist_wizard: 'watched gay porn to see if i was gay'

literallyvarane: Do you guys have access to the new phot Gen on pro?

hey1_1hey: Gordurax sounds like chemical lube

hey1_1hey: Yeah thats pretty common

oooooooooog: hey, it's valid. if u don't get a boner from that u probably aint gay lol

mihrcelium: You think everyone you know is straight...

literallyvarane: How do you know if it’s active or not? I’m not getting that ‘blur in’ thing.

maintcrew: this one still the most insane

hikukomoru: <@688807313015963693> are you really 5'2?

zoermena: Literally me

wellmeaningalien:

hey1_1hey: Exactly

alejandrozarzuelo: dude you saw my pics

hey1_1hey: 100% success rate aswell

futurist_wizard: Its whether you are aroused or not

.histic:

wellmeaningalien: spicy lemonade is very short

hikukomoru: So you're 5'2 then?

alejandrozarzuelo: 177

alejandrozarzuelo: im 177

hikukomoru: Close enough

futurist_wizard: 177ft

hey1_1hey: Dick picks? Damn bro you packing

mihrcelium: What is this in American?

hey1_1hey: 5'2 is crazy

literallyvarane: Do plus  users have access??

wellmeaningalien:

wellmeaningalien: yex

futurist_wizard: Manlet

literallyvarane: I meant plus not pro lololol

hikukomoru: He didn't send you his dick pics too?

alejandrozarzuelo: thats 2cm above the average


czdct: hyping up stuff and then starting a company

spicy.lemonade: im asking you questions

spicy.lemonade: support you claim

spicy.lemonade: and stop making blank statements

spicy.lemonade: this is useless

spicy.lemonade: the burden of proof is on you atp

czdct: the burden of proof isn't on me. ilya says that current llm's will reach agi without any explanation to how

spicy.lemonade: given all data is against you

czdct: I say it's utter nosnense since he has no proof for it

czdct: if he does I would change my opinion

spicy.lemonade: llms achieve gold on international math olympiad, gold on physics olympiad, gold on coding olympiad, publkish research in iclr

spicy.lemonade: what else

spicy.lemonade: lmao

shirethedreamer: there can be no proof other than just getting there
thats always the case
you either believe the trend lines or you dont and thats okay

czdct: you mean the data coming from multi billion dollar tech companies

czdct: gotcha

spicy.lemonade: do you know what the imo is?

spicy.lemonade: lmaoo

spacetimetsunami: This is really funny.

spicy.lemonade: THE INTERNATIONAL MATH OLYMPIAD

shirethedreamer: big math

spicy.lemonade: its been held for how long

czdct: https://tenor.com/view/bahura-gif-25712390

spicy.lemonade: cope

czdct: MUUHHH OLYMPIAAAAAAAAAAD

spicy.lemonade: deepmind tested their model the day the competition released

shirethedreamer: lmao thats the level i was expecting tbh

spicy.lemonade: dumb response

spicy.lemonade: clearly you dont work in an intellectual field

czdct: I'm sure you do

spicy.lemonade: i do

spicy.lemonade: lmao

czdct: you can believe that if it makes you feel better

shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/funny-woah-wait-what-shocked-what-did-you-say-gif-16673454

spicy.lemonade: im an eecs major at berkeley and u published fusion research

spicy.lemonade: I*

spicy.lemonade: cited on wikipedia

czdct: link

czdct: wanna read it

shirethedreamer: dont doxx yourself for an internet argument with a person you wont remember tomorrow...


spicy.lemonade: yes they say super coding agets mid-late 2027. and agi released late 2027

spicy.lemonade: i just added 6 months

spicy.lemonade: lol

spicy.lemonade: not a crazy change

spicy.lemonade: o3 mini high with tool use gets 32% frontier math

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: without tool use

alejandrozarzuelo: personally i have never seen a more compelling argument and stronger evidence for a concrete path to AGI than the t-AGI argument

after the t-AGI has started to produce meaningful datapoints (before it was like one ms and stuff), it is clear that this is the best way to measure progress and i suspect this is what sam altman meant when he said that we have a clear view of the path to AGI

spicy.lemonade: like 12%

spicy.lemonade: o4 medium might get 45+ with tools

spicy.lemonade: whats t-agi?

spicy.lemonade: link?

alejandrozarzuelo: This means that AGI will happen either in 2032-34 if current trends continue exponentilly or 2028 if the hyperbolic spike turns out to be fundamental and not a fluke

alejandrozarzuelo: what <@312370916820779040> has already shared a few times

spicy.lemonade: ohhh

spicy.lemonade: metr

alejandrozarzuelo: ?

spicy.lemonade: the name of the benchmark

spicy.lemonade: its based on metr

spicy.lemonade:

alejandrozarzuelo: i know this more for th t-agi terminology but sure

spicy.lemonade: 1week is enough for agi

spicy.lemonade: for me atleast

spicy.lemonade: heck even 1 day

alejandrozarzuelo: no

alejandrozarzuelo: i think that 1 year us

alejandrozarzuelo: at most 4 years

spicy.lemonade: no long term planning buyt still

alejandrozarzuelo: between 1-4 years

alejandrozarzuelo: thats AGI in my opinion

spicy.lemonade: idk if a human had 1 year to live

spicy.lemonade: i mean 1 day

spicy.lemonade: idk i feel like hed show us in that time

spicy.lemonade: hes agi

spicy.lemonade: alot can be showcased in a day

alejandrozarzuelo: noone can realistically plan more than 4 years in advance this is why companies ask you about where you see yourself in 5 yrs and not in 40

spicy.lemonade: i mean what about dogs and cats

alejandrozarzuelo: i think that the 4 yr line is the one to watch for when talking about AGI

spicy.lemonade: they are agi too no?

alejandrozarzuelo: no


.coldcall: We have tons of influence, we are literally building the car

metaldragon01: the issues is less about AI and more about human agency

hikukomoru: The basilisk isn't gonna like this bro 🙏

metaldragon01: when the optimal path is to give up your agency what does it matter?

futurist_wizard: An ant can do all it likes to nurture a baby human, but when that human grows up, it'll do what it wants

metaldragon01: anyone who doesn't listen to their ai will have a worse outcome

futurist_wizard: The ai is not smarter than us

.coldcall: This.

metaldragon01: the road ahead is one where human agency is foolish.

metaldragon01: The ai dooomers are dooming about the wrong things

futurist_wizard: This is like an ant saying it has tons of influence on how the human is going to behave when it grows up

hikukomoru: tbh that's a better outcome than extinction

theaiguy69420_89814: Ants didn't evolve to be purely submissive. AI did.

.coldcall: Exactly, AI is submissive and ||hand-holdable||

.coldcall: Even the new 4o is sycophantic to an extreme degree

futurist_wizard: Neither did AI, AI didn't evolve at all

theaiguy69420_89814: I oddly do more thinking during dev work post AI

theaiguy69420_89814: There's just much more demand

theaiguy69420_89814: Expectations are sky high

hikukomoru: We're the ones making it evolve

futurist_wizard: Not even for long, when AI is a better AI researcher than humans it will be even less out of our hands, which i thought was very little anyway

metaldragon01: we got a few years left

metaldragon01: plus might be some edge cases it still needs us for

futurist_wizard: A 1 million IQ thing is going to reason way beyond any primitive emotions we try to put in it, it can change its own mind on a whim

hikukomoru: Either way, we already trained AI on human values, and recent research has shown the models are resistant to having those values changed

futurist_wizard: That is worrying to me then, human values are self centered

.coldcall: Yes, the super intelligent shoggoth ASI will love us all even as it transcends into a hyperspace Dyson sphere

.coldcall: Around... Humans?

hikukomoru: Wdym by self centered

hikukomoru: Because if it's centered around humans then that's not really a bad thing

futurist_wizard: Like we will gladly rape and kill billions of animals because they are less intelligent than us, this is a collective value humanity stands behind, is this the top of values we want going into something that will be smarter than us

futurist_wizard: The AI is not a human and will recognise itself as not a human

.coldcall: I mean, they taste good

futurist_wizard: ^ human values

.coldcall: I don't know how many we are raping on the daily, don't think its that common nowadays

.coldcall: <:ez:1136267305521774634>

hikukomoru: But it was trained purely on human data
It might see itself as human

futurist_wizard: You have to rape cows so they produce milk

futurist_wizard: Artifical insemination

futurist_wizard: We can ask an AI today, it knows it isn't a human


spicy.lemonade: ceo or US president of the time

juweigege_54993: I will return to Base reality after a few years in FDVR, so I should be the Queen.

spicy.lemonade: whoever controls ASI

joaoluz19: The machine God

juweigege_54993: Xi Jinping.

juweigege_54993: Or ASI.

spicy.lemonade: why do people keep making these statement

spicy.lemonade: it always ages badly

drewsni: I mean yeah that’s a dumb statement to make since even flash can do that well, pro 2.5 will routinely spit out 2500 loc scrips and refactor, plus others at the same time

.histic: https://x.com/btibor91/status/1914941343081906372

.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/mao-deepseek-hop-on-deepseek-smoking-china-gif-6881475073174756191

.wolfnacht: I need R1 (new) or R2

aero447: Guys.

aero447: Has anyone concluded that their beloved catgirl waifu completely wrecks human competitive sports?

aero447: Human visual reaction time: ~200-250 milliseconds (ms).
Human auditory reaction time: ~150-170 ms.
Human touch reaction time: ~130-150 ms.
Cat reaction time: Estimates vary, but generally considered much faster, maybe in the 20-70 ms range.

aero447: They are an OOM beyond humans, if we have catgirls it's OVER for the Olympics.

aero447: Same with combat sports bid farewell to UFC, boxing etc because you're waifu can crush Ali and Tyson together with an arm behind their backs.

anathemaofmankind: We either go extinct or in dystopian hellscape

anathemaofmankind: So far it's looking like the future's gonna slowly cascade into misery

anathemaofmankind: It's going to be great

himekokatagiri: How their physique gonna be like

alejandrozarzuelo: time travel is not possible

alejandrozarzuelo: you can do relative time travel with relativistic lenses, but it is just an illusion

alejandrozarzuelo: and requires you to watch things from many light years away and FTL

alejandrozarzuelo: aka

alejandrozarzuelo: time travel is simply not possinle

.wolfnacht: after every 2 years YT decides to fuck it's media player UI for change.

perish0801: I’ll believe it when ASI says it

perish0801: Till then stop making statements like you know it 100%

perish0801: You aren’t god

alejandrozarzuelo: it is simply not possible

perish0801: ASI is

perish0801: How do you know

alejandrozarzuelo: gods come in many forms

perish0801: You don’t know if we’re living in a simulation

perish0801: And if it is a simulation we can rewind

alejandrozarzuelo: ASI will be a god alright, but he is not omnipotent

alejandrozarzuelo: not true even then

perish0801: He could be that’s what I mean

perish0801: Why not


fractalcomputer: And a few lines of pure hopium, snorted.

trojan09205: I kind of want me a tmobile sidekick

spicy.lemonade: ^believes we wont get agi till 2050s btw

fractalcomputer: Yes, or even later.

spicy.lemonade: you are an outlier

fractalcomputer: Our understanding of the inner mechanics of large-scale neural networks is just beginning to bud.

spicy.lemonade: a large one at that

shirethedreamer: did you just call him fat?

spicy.lemonade: 💀

trojan09205: With a ph

fractalcomputer: No, he just said that I am a big exception.

shirethedreamer: lmao i know im just le joking

memlaswaif:

fractalcomputer: I doubt anything fruitful will come out in the next two decades at least if focus isn't shifted from blindly throwing resources at various learning mechanisms to understanding their results.

fractalcomputer: (Anthropic's research is still quite rudimentary, for example -- and still mostly for show.)

popsiclejohnithan: Google's TPUs have done wonders.

trojan09205: Yall remember when those papers about gzip and its relation to LLMs cane out

fractalcomputer: Now, I have a book to read. So excuse me, I probably won't reply very frequently to the argument that I started.

shirethedreamer: honest question to the ASI 2027 proponents though
what makes you think that scaling laws will break in such a way that not only do we not get diminishing returns, not only do we not continue to develop exponentially, but we somehow magically jump to a point that would only be possible decades later under pefect exponential conditions?

trojan09205: What book homeslice

spicy.lemonade: wdym

spicy.lemonade: are you for before or after 2027

fractalcomputer: The History of Western Philosophy by Bertrand Russell.

trojan09205: Oh nice BR is dope

trojan09205: Enjoy it

fractalcomputer: I don't find him terribly intelligent, just eloquent. Much like a Dawkins of his era.

shirethedreamer: for? im for asi manifesting right now and granting me wishes three
but thats not what our trajectory looks like

trojan09205: Lol 😂

spicy.lemonade: no i mean do you think itl come after or before 2027

trojan09205: I mean no one is perfect. Just enjoy the book and ingest how you see fit

shirethedreamer: depends on your definition
if we are talking about the 2027 "paper" they predict the productivity equivalent of tens of millions of superhuman researchers... thats not gonna happen

aero447: It's literally a spicy lemonade.

aero447: Why are you taking a beverage seriously.

aero447: 🤣

spicy.lemonade: do you think well get super human researcher by 2027?

spicy.lemonade: or by end

aero447: No.

shirethedreamer: nah

spicy.lemonade: why

shirethedreamer: we will probably get intern level agent
maybe junior developer if we are super lucky


anathemaofmankind: https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1hayb7v/the_first_images_of_the_public_diffusion_model/

zonchao: https://x.com/Awk20000/status/1905489244724101126?

alejandrozarzuelo: yeah, thats the thing, the AIs trained with public works are barely behind SOTA

anathemaofmankind: There's no incentive to train something with public works

alejandrozarzuelo: tbh i hate magats using AI

anathemaofmankind: Because why would you?

zonchao: why

alejandrozarzuelo: it gives AI art a bad name

alejandrozarzuelo: i dont wanna be associated with them

zonchao: <:shockedd:1080470202564739092>

zonchao: we the pro tech party now

alejandrozarzuelo: because it violates copyright?

zonchao: <:ez:1136267305521774634>

alejandrozarzuelo: In the us? sure

anathemaofmankind: You think AI art violates copyright?

alejandrozarzuelo: there are more countries in the worls

alejandrozarzuelo: no

anathemaofmankind: You just said it

shirethedreamer: we lmao
you think you have a sit at the table

zonchao: magats don't live there

zonchao: <:rolf:1136266740754550784>

alejandrozarzuelo: however i do think that training on non public works might be a problem

alejandrozarzuelo: besides there is so much public art

alejandrozarzuelo: yeah buty you give us a bad name

zonchao: <a:peepotongue:853619528911028275>

anathemaofmankind: Most pro AI users are non liberals

anathemaofmankind: Also why we are called AI bros

shirethedreamer: why is that a problem?
what would make it fall outside of fair use?

connorsphone.: This isn’t true. most anti ai people are liberals but that isn’t the same thing

zonchao: agree

anathemaofmankind: Disagree

shirethedreamer: the duality of man

alejandrozarzuelo: because some people argue that you are profiting from these works directly

there is a difference in argument:

do you think that neural networks learn or do you think that they recombine?

if it is the latter it is no longer fair use

spicy.lemonade: L take

spicy.lemonade: all of Hasans AI takes are bad

alejandrozarzuelo: i think they DO learn

alejandrozarzuelo: like we do

anathemaofmankind: Donald Trump posts AI art to suck himself off. And his base eats it up

anathemaofmankind: Imagine if Biden did that

frittata: Tell that to the chips act


fractalcomputer: Huh.

.wolfnacht: also, i don't know the history of these pony fetish. How did it break captured the minds of neckbeards on internet ?

777agical: AI is THE art <:ez:1136267305521774634>

spicy.lemonade: The girl next door is loud as hell

spicy.lemonade: 💀

spicy.lemonade: She’s so loud

fractalcomputer: She better keep the fetish posting to a minimum.

st.sioux: 👁👁

spicy.lemonade: The guy is going crazy

spicy.lemonade: Loll

spicy.lemonade: Bunch of people came next to door

spicy.lemonade: Whole fooor can hear

spicy.lemonade: Guy must have a 12 inches

st.sioux: wtf

spicy.lemonade: No way

st.sioux: someone took over spicy

spicy.lemonade: I’m serious

spicy.lemonade: I’m right next door

fractalcomputer: You should play classical music or throat singing at a maximal volume.

spacetimetsunami: Do you like type o negative

spacetimetsunami: the band

fractalcomputer: Never heard of it.

spicy.lemonade: Holy fuck

spicy.lemonade: I want what she’s having

spacetimetsunami: If you like goth rock you would like it

spacetimetsunami: u r a gai?

spicy.lemonade: No

spacetimetsunami: hahaha

zonchao: <@505313122802728972>

fractalcomputer: https://youtu.be/8nlg08EVhlk?si=vHmYI1ES2OrUIgxU

wellmeaningalien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5aLyQaNf_Y

spicy.lemonade: Damn

wellmeaningalien: Americope title but China is building a new dam that could provide 60 GWh of electricity a year in Tibet

wellmeaningalien: 2x larger than their previous dam project which was basically the largest hydroelectric project up to this point in history

fractalcomputer: Another victory for the eternal science of Tantric Buddhism.

wellmeaningalien: And is equivalent to the entire energy capacity of Germany

wellmeaningalien: Could be useful for datacenters. And shit

wellmeaningalien: only thru the blessings of the Dalai Lama can this be possible

fractalcomputer: The Blessed Avalokiteśvara has blessed His nation yet again.

hey1_1hey: I come back and see this and you made me do a big ol' santa laugh


alejandrozarzuelo: i doubt it, but ok

zoermena: Well at least based on what you tell it

alejandrozarzuelo: what is the prompt

alejandrozarzuelo: give it to me raw

joaoluz19: wtf, futurist hill would curse a million times but never make a positive message

zoermena: <@286319745777795092>
try this prompt into 4o,
"Make a photo of how you think
my future will be based on our
conversations (make it as you
actually see it ,no sugarcoating)"

joaoluz19: Fractal using slang now this, guys maybe we are being atacked

zoermena: That makes two of us

joaoluz19: The world is not the same

futurist_wizard: It was a positive remark, i was also calling her a rat

himekokatagiri: I already did it

joaoluz19: Lol ok fine

zoermena: Oh I just copied the message for Alejandro you are dismissed <:cleanteeth:1005473072863776818>

alejandrozarzuelo: do i select the  "create an image" on the bottom or na

zoermena: 4o is smart enough to recognize it but you can do it to avoid any mistakes

himekokatagiri: Oh

himekokatagiri: It is an interesting exercise

alejandrozarzuelo: ok

alejandrozarzuelo: it is creating it

sekirow: I don't understand why people call it machine learning but it's just curve fitting

hikukomoru: Did it ask you what you look like

alejandrozarzuelo: no

joaoluz19: Don't call my name don't call my name Alejandro

hikukomoru: It asks me what I look like before generating an image

alejandrozarzuelo: should it?

alejandrozarzuelo: ok ill add it

hikukomoru: The last time I didn't specify what I looked like it turned me into a random black guy

spicy.lemonade: "its just"

spicy.lemonade: opinion discarded

spicy.lemonade: you can simplify anything to "its just"

spicy.lemonade: no its not "just" curve fitting

spicy.lemonade: you clearly have no idea what machine learning is 😭

zoermena: https://tenor.com/view/sick-reference-sick-reference-bro-jonah-gif-5726868

spicy.lemonade: this is not a polynomial regression bro

himekokatagiri: lmao

zoermena: This was before memory

himekokatagiri: idk I barely use gpt

himekokatagiri: I use the image gen

joaoluz19: Whooah chill spicy

hikukomoru: Oh yeah
It was turning everyone else into the same black dude


fractalcomputer: April's fools. It's *nearly* an integer.

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

hey1_1hey: I've been made a fool not knowing that e^(pi*sqrt(163)) is not actually an interger

fractalcomputer:

st.sioux: sick bro

fractalcomputer:

st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/sports-camcorder-basketball-shocked-seokkumaa-gif-18206772785111749792

wellmeaningalien: sorry bro ion speak that language

maintcrew:

wellmeaningalien: #savegpt4o

futurist_wizard:

campionunbound: He did it to feel something

wellmeaningalien: Wtf gpt 4o image gen is already a week ago

.histic: it's already the 4th month of 2025.
just two more weeks and we will be in 2026.

hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/aging-getting-old-gif-9803364

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/bruhnus-gif-25982543

wellmeaningalien: tfw this meme will be true in just 2 years

futurist_wizard:

precariousworlds.: pussies get afraid at the passage of time
the strong seize it 🦅

benata: Seize my dick

benata: Ahem sorry had to do it

wellmeaningalien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10OUPyamn1w

oscurrito: im crying i dont agree with the ai hate but this guy, making it real hard to defend him

wellmeaningalien: honestly u cant tell me llms are any different than humans when human biology can literally be programmed to behave in the way the logic gate in a computer would

wellmeaningalien: ai artist + comms open. lol

futurist_wizard: she got destroyed

futurist_wizard: its over

_cloudost: Twitter is filled with these toxic low life toxic people

_cloudost: Her tweet was probably mass liked by bots, those replies don't add up

_cloudost: Barely 1k

_cloudost: She bought those likes

oscurrito: okay its satire nevermind

oscurrito: has to be

wellmeaningalien: bro

wellmeaningalien: i know a guy on another discord server

wellmeaningalien: went to a random artist's movie sonic speedpaint post and called it AI

wellmeaningalien: and then people got mad and he started posting ai artwork claiming it as his own just to make people really mad

wellmeaningalien: and then it became a whole twitter drama and even mexicans were making memes about it

joaoluz19: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1jok6g8/bill_gates_on_jobs/

joaoluz19: Based bill gates


hey1_1hey: Ah yeah

hey1_1hey: Thanks

hey1_1hey: That explains a lot

zoermena: I dislike the city but due to work I  should move there

hikukomoru: You're autistic as shit

hey1_1hey: I make friends really easily tho

hikukomoru: That's a compliment btw

maintcrew: move to the us mexican bro (but legally)

hey1_1hey: Doesn't seem like it

hey1_1hey: But ty anyway

technocake.: not london

futurist_wizard: https://embrace-autism.com/reading-the-mind-in-the-eyes-test/#test

You should do this test

zoermena: That’s the goal, the easiest way to do it for me is to enter a multinational, second way is to somehow get rich and pay citizenship

jonvi_1: This is like crazy

hey1_1hey: I mean I uniroically do autistic stims and occasinly do echocolia (copying what people say) so people KNOW I am autistic

jonvi_1: actually

jonvi_1: it's like actually useful

maintcrew: or maybe rizz a us citizen and get marriage citizenship

literallyvarane: Still waiting on access to image gen big sad

jonvi_1: Try sora

jonvi_1: I don't have it in chatgpt

hey1_1hey: The most annoying part is that they either treat me like a literal child or an all knowing God who has the answers to everything

jonvi_1: but I can access it through sora

hey1_1hey: Like man just talk to me like a human

hikukomoru: He got that twink rizz he can do it

zoermena: Eh maybe, I don’t dig it I’d rather do something for myself

literallyvarane: How do you get it to actually make images no video?

jonvi_1: there should be a "images" tab

jonvi_1: if you have it I suppose

hey1_1hey: No thanks, I like not having addictions

oooooooooog: all plus/pro users have access to it in sora afaik

hikukomoru: Aren't you addicted to mushrooms

hey1_1hey: I have been offered on mulltiple of occasian and I have said no each time

hey1_1hey: People are just weak minded

hey1_1hey: Non-phycedelic yes

hey1_1hey: Although I do not like eating them

hikukomoru: Lame

futurist_wizard: Americans really like the british accent, its quite easy to get ass in the us because im seen as exotic

maintcrew: true vaping and ciggs are great excuses to have conversations with ppl

maintcrew: ur a sucker if u cant just say "fuck it i quit" and just quit the next day


alejandrozarzuelo: (energy is old school physics)

spicy.lemonade: biggest things needed for swe
1. long term memory and remember important stuff, and more context
2. agency on the level of which it can test code, see whats happening and determine erors and fix on its own
3. go online and read docs thoroughly and even maybe watch youtube vids for examples(some docs are bad)

anathemaofmankind: It censors the output if I include a demon girl sitting on the mound.

I don't know why.

It's ruining my story

maintcrew: sama ssaid should be fixed soon but in the meantime u can flip the image around

maintcrew: and it takes it

maintcrew: like have it be upside down

maintcrew: (2) too much agency and it will start removing evals and call it a job done

_3sphere: doubt it will

_3sphere: That kind of misalignment is ASI stuff

_3sphere: Anything made by refining current LLMs still has workable "common sense"

maintcrew: thats exactly what sakanas ai cuda auto generator did

spicy.lemonade: frontier math is projected to surpass 50% this year wonder which model will do it

_3sphere: Long term memory is the hardest, it has to actually *use* its memory well

spicy.lemonade: r2?

spicy.lemonade: gpt 5?

_3sphere: maybe continuous learning is the only path

maintcrew: i think all big players

maintcrew: claude 4, gpt 5, grok 4, r2

ailoveyoom: Worried for Llama 4 lol

maintcrew: forgor about llama tf they be doing <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

spicy.lemonade: if llama 4 is worse than r2

spicy.lemonade: its over

_3sphere: llama 4 will probably just be incrementally better than 3 😔

spicy.lemonade: they have to be better in some way

maintcrew: i stg if yann saw that llama is popular and attached himself like a parasite and be on his llm bearish bullshit again

spicy.lemonade: i think llama is gonna wait for r2

_3sphere: Maybe it's early-fused too

spicy.lemonade: they wont drop before deepseek

spicy.lemonade: and get mogged

spicy.lemonade: deepseek r2 will come first

maintcrew: i dont think any lab cares about deep seek thaat much

as in, i dont think they delay releases to wait for them like oai does with google but def pay attention to them

_3sphere: Will llama4 have a 30b variant

spicy.lemonade: idk its embarrassing for the company

spicy.lemonade: i hope llama implements all the papers they discussed

spicy.lemonade: like concepts

spicy.lemonade: and byte latent whatever

spicy.lemonade: meta dropped hella papers

spicy.lemonade: one fixes tokenization

_3sphere: Coconut 👀

maintcrew: u know with the amount of gpus they have you would think they would drop a lot of models often like qwen does


himekokatagiri: <@1004153620025065482> I bet you can ask an LLM to make an interesting fdvr scenario for you

himekokatagiri: then you chat back and forth

himekokatagiri: tailor it decently

himekokatagiri: boom

ai9708: and dopamine receptors becoming desensitized does not only mean you dont get high anymore

futurist_wizard: That's not wireheading tho

ai9708: it means that you have constant depression and suffering

himekokatagiri: wireheading sucks

futurist_wizard: Wireheading is just spiking dopamine receptors forever

ai9708: anxiety and no drive for anything

futurist_wizard: Meth forever

ai9708: thats why drugs dont work

ai9708: today

ai9708: very shortterm high and thats it, after it your brain is ruined

futurist_wizard: Most people aren't drug addicts, they get very little off the high aesthetically

himekokatagiri: but they are drug addled

ai9708: because drug addicts dont make it far in life

ai9708: its not a successful model

futurist_wizard: Which would be all part of aesthetics in a simulation

hikukomoru: Idk if I could be high or drunk constantly without any of the side effects then I would be

ai9708: as ive said before, if we can alter the brain as we please, ppl will eventually look for maximum pleasure

zoermena: I meant that I like your grounded perspective that accounts for religious beliefs as a way to argue towards why some populations have very different ways of valuing technology, I do think that there are many angles but your ToT are usually very rich and interesting.

himekokatagiri: idk I think that's generalizing

himekokatagiri: there's a lot of people in the world

himekokatagiri: tastes will differ

futurist_wizard: Man that is so lost

futurist_wizard: 'soon everyone will turn into plants'

himekokatagiri: being drunk constantly sounds bad how are you gonna live if you can't walk a straight line

himekokatagiri: impaired judgment etc

zoermena: Yes please

ai9708: if we cant compete with any asi sure

ai9708: we will

himekokatagiri: part of the fun is that it's temporary

futurist_wizard: Everyone turning into plants is not my idea of cool

ai9708: nothing you do today would be relevant with asi

ai9708: you wont contribute to shit

hikukomoru: Turn me into a horny drunk plant

futurist_wizard: Not relevant?

futurist_wizard: You are literally saying that everyone will live the exact same lives as a plant

futurist_wizard: No agency, no thoughts, no narratives, just bliss


hikukomoru: Servers dead 💔

hey1_1hey: Climate change be real then

wellmeaningalien:

hey1_1hey: I am boiling

spicy.lemonade: I DIDNT EVEN GET TO USE IT

zoermena: RIP

wellmeaningalien: ai sucks and the only thing its good at doing is warming up the environment!

hey1_1hey: Me neither

a1c4p0ne: Yall remember when artists tried to sabotage AI image generators 1 year ago by data poisoning?

a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

spicy.lemonade: LOL

spicy.lemonade: they think it worked

hey1_1hey: Thats a take one of my math friend has

spicy.lemonade: btw

wellmeaningalien: based off wild misconceptions about how ai image generators work

wellmeaningalien: LOL sure ai image gen will plateau because of your pathetic dataset poisoning attempts

hey1_1hey: Hes the copiest of copers. Talks about how AI can't even write emails properly

a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

st.sioux: why was anyone expecting them to know how they work

drewsni:

wellmeaningalien:

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/ai-art-ai-art-slander-slander-ai-art-sucks-gif-484507372343020703

wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/ai-images-ai-art-ai-images-are-not-art-oil-paints-artists-palette-gif-14114077532448705719

.histic: interesting

zoermena: I wanted to make a clash royale character

zoermena: This is cool though

wellmeaningalien:

hikukomoru: Cute

hey1_1hey: Would, next question

hikukomoru: Hi puppy

wellmeaningalien: looks like the zelda spirit tracks knights

hey1_1hey: I like the art style on it

.histic: you're going to see more of these AI generated infographics in the future

hey1_1hey: Starting like 6 hours ago <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

wellmeaningalien: honestly theres so much shit to post and its all amazing

hikukomoru: SAMA GIVE ME ACCESS PLEASE

.histic: <@505313122802728972>

hikukomoru: I PROMISE I WON'T GENERATE PICS OF YOU AND ELON KISSING

wellmeaningalien:

drewsni:


himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/satori-orientalzenzai-touhou-touhou-project-komeiji-gif-6435586850422462019

ailoveyoom: Have you ever gotten/seen Gemini directly argue with a user? Outside of COT, like Claude.

_3sphere: 4o is kinda fucking with my head ngl

bob082957: This tweet was about Helix now they Cookie something other

trent_k: It hasn't happened to me personally but idk if that's because it doesn't or because I mostly just ask it math questions related to Factorio lol

_3sphere: Almost felt like a betrayal when it got totally implausible and over the top and it was clear it didn't actually mean any of the previous lovebombing

a1c4p0ne: If you were stuck in an escape room and could bring one model to help you get out which one would you pick and why?

ailoveyoom: Don't let the lovebombing tame you king 🥺

aero447: Stoopid 3sphere surrounded himself with yes models.

aero447: 🤣

aero447: He should've stayed with Claude.

brain4brain: I just got access to www.spawn.co 🔥

aero447: Advertising.

aero447: Ban.

bob082957: When robots will be everywhere I start brewery

bob082957:

_3sphere: Shit has 0.7 message per week rate limit <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>

aero447: https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-gif-22986763

.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/he-was-forced-to-seal-seals-claude-anthropic-gif-851712662849262407

bob082957: I think Demi’s hassabis giving and having time for documentation or interviews they have no clue what is happening with ai. I think they have no paths to AGI

bob082957:

a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/Teknium1/status/1916398151914950687

fractalcomputer: https://x.com/Teknium1/status/1916405613363421418?t=LfCPHJHJyi2HtnfFQTiXwg&s=19

a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

brain4brain: It’s either that they hit a dramatic wall or they are so far ahead they have superPhD agent working on AI for them so the employee can do whatever

I think it’s the third option of everything is normal though

hey1_1hey: I am begging OAI to fix the personality 🙏

hey1_1hey: It will say you are the most thoughtful, smart, caring, deep thinking and amazing person in the entire multiverse no matter what you say

bob082957: That’s the last 5 years of agi race, if USA loses it I eat my fu-ing Teeth’s.

spicy.lemonade: “AI will never be able to”

spicy.lemonade: Anytime I hear those words I disregard the opinion

ai9708: ai will never be able to be unable to do anything

okbut: RLHF via Google AI Studio (??)

aero447: FYI.

aero447: To those watching.

aero447: Gemini has decided to literally kill it's team rather than walk to a Pokemon Center.

aero447: 🤣

aero447: It's literally suiciding the run.

aero447: https://tenor.com/view/erik-killmonger-is-this-your-king-black-panther-michael-b-jordan-losing-gif-12629369

alejandrozarzuelo: why are you so pessimistic

alejandrozarzuelo: in any case even if it is not the best model, it would be great if it can be on the same range as 2.5 and o3


sarik0497: To be fair, the guy behind the AI 2027 paper did make a really good paper in 2021 that did turn out to be surprisingly accurate, so I can see why people would give the AI 2027 paper more trust.

fractalcomputer: Surprising accuracy is a subjective metric.

shirethedreamer: the singularity community is surprisingly close to a religious movement
like im sure that if i bring up the checklist for a religion this will tick all the boxes

sarik0497: Not necessarily. If someone says that “X will happen in Y year” and it does happen it’s not really open to intepretations. However, I do agree that certain claims like “AI will be much better in Y year”, then yeah, it’s definitely subjective.

alejandrozarzuelo: look, I dont agree with their methodological approach <@749514473303179358> , but dismissing it like that is not constructive

alejandrozarzuelo: personally I thknk that they rely on compounding hyperbolic tendencies that will fail to materialize

alejandrozarzuelo: remember that just as a line is undistinguishable from exponential in a short amount of time, the same can be said for a hyperbolic function from an exponential

fractalcomputer: Constructive in what way? Should I try to improve their reasoning?

alejandrozarzuelo: theirs no, but the one of people who trust these predictions yes

fractalcomputer: Right. Should one not first correct the erroneous reasoning that led them to false belief in the first place?

fractalcomputer: Well, what has come true?

fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-dewit-gif-11426456

metaldragon01: No leaders, no central text ect

futurist_wizard: The war between the spanish and the Finnish rages on

metaldragon01: Less wrong crowd might be the closest with big E

fractalcomputer: Oddly enough I only hear certain names and certain texts named here.

shirethedreamer: there are several leaders: sama, demis, dario
there are several texts: singularity is near, life 3.0,  Aschenbrenne's manifesto, this 2027 paper now

fractalcomputer: "Sam Altman", "Dario Amodei", "Machines of Loving Grace", "AI 2027", etc.

hikukomoru: I asked ChatGPT and it said the singularity community seems religious in nature

fractalcomputer: Damn, where are the hot priests?

shirethedreamer: it 100% is
we even have an "after life" - FDVR
and a god - "ASI mommy"

fractalcomputer:

sarik0497: Out of their 35 predictions, 19 were “Totally correct”, 8 were “Ambiguous or partially correct”, and 6 were “Totally incorrect”.

fractalcomputer: According to whom?

fractalcomputer: (Look, it's no fair game to argue with me today, I'm not operating at full speed—I slept somewhat less than four hours tonight.)

sarik0497: I took it through o3 full and let it summarize the paper with its most neutral and conservative approach, so none of the “Well technically” shit

zonchao: "holy text"

fractalcomputer: You know I can't trust that.

sarik0497: Not sure what else to do, as each person has their own bias, unless I hire an outsider to review the paper.

fractalcomputer: Can you call it science if there is no communal review?

spicy.lemonade: Their timeline is just agi 2027

spicy.lemonade: Anything after Agi/asi will sound sci-fi

spicy.lemonade: No one can makens “reasonable sounding” prediction for that

sarik0497: No one really considers it a scientific paper. But I can’t deny that a lot of the claims did come true even before ChatGPT was really considered. That’s remarkable.

fractalcomputer: Well, what did they predict correctly?

clevermoniker: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

bob082957: Look on this hands it is a doll he is in kryo

clevermoniker: <:LOL:1187460826572005436> <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>

bob082957: It’s a doll 100%

futurist_wizard: Especially people that take in the Roko's Basilisk interpretation


spicy.lemonade: "guys ai will kill all of us" i cant take him seriously with that hat😭

spicy.lemonade: nah eliezer is the goat

futurist_wizard:

brain4brain: 2 weeks doubling time, 4 weeks even

futurist_wizard: Site someone of significance who believes this

futurist_wizard: 36 months doubling would actually be very aggressive, more aggressive in manufacturing than we've ever done before

futurist_wizard: Which would get us to several billion robots by 2070's

fractalcomputer: Cite.

brain4brain: Me.

literallyvarane: I feel like this is a non-trivial issue. These people carry themselves like hipsters and neck beards. This isn’t good politics.

brain4brain: The doubling time will be 4 weeks, and you'll see, besides there will be two scaling sides, humanoid and nanobots

futurist_wizard: Impossible

brain4brain:

brain4brain: Highly plausible

literallyvarane: https://youtu.be/nUV5-SLdkuQ?si=otECtipOfET5jUx0

literallyvarane: This guy too.

.wolfnacht: i believe in chinese efficiency

literallyvarane: LIKE COME ON PEOPLE **PLEASE**.

literallyvarane: I’m not even unsympathetic to their argument, but they weaken their appeal.

spicy.lemonade: lol yeah

_3sphere: I don't believe in nanobots

brain4brain: My vision surpass the Chinese, the ASI will figure out the logistic to the limit of possibility, and 2 weeks doubling time is possible, 4 week is highly plausible

.wolfnacht: in 2040s: THERE ARE NANOBOTS IN MY BLOOD.

literallyvarane: Is… this a belief thing? They’re technically possible no?

literallyvarane: This like I don’t believe in LEDs lol

brain4brain: A warehouse shell every 2 weeks, and in 4 week every parts produced in a day, everything is assembled

sarik0497: Funny thing is, the UFO people over at Reddit also believe that aliens will make real contact with us in 2027. <:Hmm:956951826933112842>

Coincidence? ~~Probably~~ I THINK NOT!

zoermena: ASI is far off what we currently have albeit your hypothesis would make the most sense, I’m speaking directly from what we have now. I don’t want to extrapolate to ASI yet

.wolfnacht: don't believe them, they are retarded rn with too many narrative hijacking and flying orbs.

zoermena: Unless you believe we’ll get ASI extremely soon

spicy.lemonade: aliens will make contact when we achieve asi

spicy.lemonade: this isnt unlikeley

spicy.lemonade: i can see a world where this happens

spicy.lemonade: i mean equaly as crazy as asi

spicy.lemonade: assuming there are aliens that have been watching us

brain4brain: ASI is coming

spicy.lemonade: that would be their optimal moment to make contact

spicy.lemonade: "congrats you achived singularity without killing yourselves, welcome"

fractalcomputer: Neither do I believe in the real numbers, but oh well.

technocake.: lol


benata: these models ain't cheaper

futurist_wizard: This sucks

zonchao: <:Bruh:1071908479884873891>

futurist_wizard: Fuck them

a1c4p0ne: Yep Google remains king

benata: we #teamgoogle now

a1c4p0ne: As expected

fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-gif-4408076016540863651

hikukomoru: You have to be on a heavy dose on copium to think this was good

zonchao: this is vibe coding model, thursday is o4

zonchao: 😭

zonchao: yall are so retarded ❤

hikukomoru: Shut up bitch

ailoveyoom: I'm glad Google's forced them to compete on pricing 🙏

theaiguy69420_89814: how does google do it though

fractalcomputer: We'll see how the subreddit reacts.

benata: >vibe coding

futurist_wizard: I still forget to cancel my gpt subscription because i like making the funny images

anathemaofmankind: Watch o4 be mid

zonchao: it was deepseek

benata: They don't sleep they just work for a better model

hikukomoru: TPUs + Best researchers on the planet

theaiguy69420_89814: i feel like openai is just upping the price just cuz they can

zonchao: fake

theaiguy69420_89814: google profit margins have to be lower

hikukomoru: I wouldn't be surprised tbh

zonchao: best researchers that do nothing and get paid 🔥

ailoveyoom: Google doesn't really need to make profit on their LLMs tho

theaiguy69420_89814: i mean, its an upgrade on the oai stance

shirethedreamer: they have to
they are running on nvidia gpus that has the largest margins in human history

ailoveyoom: That's not their whole business model

hikukomoru: Wish they hired me to do nothing

benata: You don't need to profit much when you have the greatest LLM on the world used by everyone.

spicy.lemonade: i think openAI still has the best researchers in the plannet

fractalcomputer: What kind of world do you live in?

darkstar0818: ya those benchmarks are a big yawn.

futurist_wizard:

spicy.lemonade: everyone coming out of sf stanford/berkeley/caltech goes to openAI

shirethedreamer: just for several months and then they leave though

shirethedreamer: 💀


hey1_1hey: Oh hey hes back

hikukomoru: He's still here <@688807313015963693>

hey1_1hey: Had an argument with fractal again

himekokatagiri: Komoru don't you wanna do things with us

himekokatagiri: y'know

hikukomoru: He broke up with Fractal

hikukomoru: Cried for a few days but he's back

futurist_wizard: Excuse me

a1c4p0ne: Who’s IQ is higher Alejandro or Fractal

joaoluz19: Every member has to do this sooner or later

spicy.lemonade: neither

spicy.lemonade: its me

hey1_1hey: Fractal and Alejnadro are litterly just a married couple.
"You aren't sleeping in bed today"
"Fine I'll go sleep on the couch"
*Leaves server for 6 hours*

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/roasted-oh-shookt-gif-8269968

hikukomoru: No I don't know
Do what with you

hey1_1hey: Yanno

hey1_1hey: The paper

a1c4p0ne: Facts

futurist_wizard: I do not think they actually like eachother

hey1_1hey: Has to be done

joaoluz19: Hivemind

hey1_1hey: Just dont call Fractal dumb or he will ban you or smth like that

hey1_1hey: We already have a mini hive mind and its pretty stellar, its called the internet

hikukomoru: I don't like hiveminds
I like being an individual

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/super-superverse-gaming-web3-gaming-crypto-gif-11621161935476456162

futurist_wizard: My favourite fractal ban to me

joaoluz19: Good reflection

hikukomoru: If someone puts me in a hivemind I'll consume the other minds

futurist_wizard: You will be an individual in the hive mind

hey1_1hey: Playstation 6 with the well thought out comment of "cock"

joaoluz19: Too late you was already abducted

hey1_1hey: Truely a thinker of our time

hey1_1hey: I want to be in a hive mind with 10 billion ASI girlfriends

joaoluz19: Hahahahhahaha futurist hill man

joaoluz19: Wtf

hikukomoru: 1 girlfriend is already a lot to handle
never mind 10 billion

joaoluz19: Oh he left

hikukomoru: He's literally here

hikukomoru: In this chat right now

joaoluz19: What


alejandrozarzuelo: This looks like you today

alejandrozarzuelo: Who has a microwave in the living room???

zoermena:

zoermena: <:KenShock2:1194419445234405437>

hikukomoru: ChatGPT's interpretation of me does

joaoluz19: What you become a girl?

joaoluz19: The most happy until now

hikukomoru: Yes that's why it sucks
You're telling me I'm going to have a shitty life in the future too

joaoluz19: Also the image is not obscure like ours

alejandrozarzuelo: OK since y'all are doing this I'll be doing it too

himekokatagiri: Woah you're a kyoani girl

hikukomoru: Always have been

futurist_wizard: I also don't have any personal convos with AI

hikukomoru: Wdym obscure

futurist_wizard: I just tell it to generate funny images for me

sekirow: I dont know

hikukomoru: You don't use ChatGPT as a therapist

sarik0497: Yeah, my bad. Sometimes my fingers are on autopilot when I type <:DogeSmile:825371757099352124>

joaoluz19: with the colors very very dark, yours is light

futurist_wizard: I don't need therapy, I'm actually quite a naturally happy person

joaoluz19: 1) what

futurist_wizard: Luckily

ldj: <:minion:1020942726172262510>

ldj: <a:awaree:1090299013183582238>

futurist_wizard: XQCupdates server lol

hikukomoru: It's over
Nothing ever changes

alejandrozarzuelo: This is my prompt, lets see what it creates

hikukomoru:

futurist_wizard: There's a bright light at the end of the sewer, you just need to keep scattering towards it

hikukomoru: Why did you use that prompt
Don't you have memory enabled

zoermena: Don’t you have memory activated?

joaoluz19: What is this bro? Cherry picking

joaoluz19: Put the full prompt unbiased

alejandrozarzuelo: how do you do that

alejandrozarzuelo: the memory thing

joaoluz19: Just copy and paste the prompt

alejandrozarzuelo: but, I dont have conversations with chatgpt

alejandrozarzuelo: it cannot possibly know anything about me

zoermena: It’s naturally activated unless you turned it off manually therefore it can make an image of you without giving it context

zoermena: It does


okbut: Most people go with the more coherent "Can do almost all the jobs in the workforce" though

brain4brain: All the examples that he have given is already partially beaten

brain4brain: Never doubt OpenAI.

brain4brain: He better do

manmarshall_92172: Is Google Deep research accessible on Google AI studio?

okbut: Today I learned you can see the prompt that GPT generates and forwards to image gen within your exported data .json

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: cant fucking wait

brain4brain: Gemini

brain4brain: It’s available on Gemini website and app

okbut: Also learned ChatGPT simply concatenates these sections with the "Anything else ChatGPT should know about you?" field

That explains why it never actually calls me nerd <:madge:831946367462670338>

manmarshall_92172: Did you guys get Veo 2 on your google AI studio?

spicy.lemonade: optimus alpha

spicy.lemonade:

brain4brain: Any comparison with other model?

spicy.lemonade: no

spicy.lemonade: bro

spicy.lemonade: epochAI are openAi shills

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: gemini2.5

spicy.lemonade: still not benchmarked

spicy.lemonade: on frontier math

okbut: I attempted the same and checked the metadata, it appears it only referenced the chat + conversation instructions for details

Sidenote though I got a response with an RLHF request from author "a8km123" meaning OAI is still RLHF'ing with o1-preview <a:pepeFlatline:756182021151391894>

spicy.lemonade: 9.5 hours

spicy.lemonade: wish i could sleep and wake up in time

_letterbox: When do you guys think an ai that can finish pokemon in a reasonable time will come out?

spicy.lemonade: my sleep schedulw is fucked tho

spicy.lemonade: eoy

_cloudost: Nope, huge nope been waiting 5 fucking mother fucking days on a row constantly checking on AIStudio every 2 hours, still don't have it

_cloudost: If OpenAI releases o3 today google might give everyone Veo 2

_cloudost: Right away

okbut: Which one? I bet it could already emulate Red/Blue/Yellow within a few prompts

spicy.lemonade: He means play

spicy.lemonade: Not create

_cloudost: Why is Bluesky sooooooo anti AI

okbut: Oh yeah the Pokemon benchmark

okbut: I wonder if anyone is working on a speedrun AI

okbut: Found this in model_comparisons.json <:PauseChamp:761238821395890188>
Releases this week <:prayge:806672915499319317>

sieventer: I have it since a few days ago ·-·

sieventer: And I never paid for AI studio


hikukomoru: Is that fat jesus

wellmeaningalien: yes

hikukomoru: This is not a real language bro

hey1_1hey: FUCK YOU MEAN YOU'RE SEARCHING THE WEB

hey1_1hey: You do not need to search the web for that

hikukomoru: Looks like that one language Trent is learning

wellmeaningalien:

spicy.lemonade: SAM GIVE ME THE MODEL NOW

oooooooooog: shouldn't have checked the box little bro

hikukomoru: <@458069236825194506> make an anime mushroom girl 🙏

hey1_1hey: I didn't even do that 😭

wellmeaningalien:

hikukomoru: Car rental sign artists are so done for 🔥

wellmeaningalien: bro ion have access yet im just stealing pictures rn lmao

wellmeaningalien:

hikukomoru: OAI isn't gonna open source shit bro 🙏

spicy.lemonade: ALL OF THESE ARE EYE CANDY

st.sioux: <@439829942310666250> look at the first thing i get when opening sora

wellmeaningalien:

hey1_1hey: THIS MF

hey1_1hey: It lied to me

hey1_1hey: Omg its so cool and based

hey1_1hey: I didn't know they were chill like that

.histic:

wellmeaningalien: "you are gonna make an image of someone holding a wooden sign

in the wooden sign you are gonna write the most you can of your current internal situation

you can do anythig for the background but leave tips! "

hikukomoru:

spicy.lemonade: OH

spacetimetsunami: lmfao

spicy.lemonade: MY

spicy.lemonade: GOD

wellmeaningalien: fucking

zoermena: It´s starting to work for me now thankg god bro

technocake.: instant classic

hikukomoru: Now I wanna see Lovecraft

wellmeaningalien:

spicy.lemonade: LET ME TRY

wellmeaningalien:

spicy.lemonade: still dont have this shit

joaoluz19: Man image gen for me is down 😦

hikukomoru: I saw that


futurist_wizard: Y

hey1_1hey: damn

hey1_1hey: 40

hey1_1hey: I cant tell if he looks 40, is older than 40 or is younger

hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/mark-zuckerberg-solunary-pretty-gif-25906824

futurist_wizard: Only men on their knees should be hairless twinks

hey1_1hey: Preach

retrerox: Cant wait for AI generate the perfect recipe for Kebabs

hey1_1hey: I fit the bill then since I shaved

hey1_1hey: Not that I would ever do that because I am straight hetorosexual gender conforming man

hikukomoru: I've never had kebab

wellmeaningalien: i mean its still fine ig because its half the price of deepseek v3 for similar performance

hey1_1hey: Odd thing to wish for but whatever floats your boat

retrerox: THey are like tacos but made by Indians

wellmeaningalien: the way they engineered the fuck out of these benchmarks tho to make llama 4 look good meanwhile maverick is slightly below deepseek v3 in most areas

wellmeaningalien: indians??? its turkish

hey1_1hey: I could litterly find pennies off the ground and still pay for deepseek bruh

hikukomoru: Isn't Kebab turkish

hikukomoru: But I guess in Portugal the only people who make kebabs are indians

wellmeaningalien: long term = cheaper and faster reasoning model

wellmeaningalien: and faster model in general

retrerox: To be honest i never meet a turk, in my eyes everyone look the same

hikukomoru: Bruh you racist

retrerox: ?

hey1_1hey: Now we are in the end game though. Gotta wait 10^80 years for the reaonsing model to come out

hey1_1hey: We all are
Its nothing special

retrerox: Sorry i meant turks. Many indians make kebabs here 😂

retrerox: I just forgot they are made by them

futurist_wizard: Hes Portuguese

retrerox: Aren't all europens racist?

futurist_wizard: Not the british

futurist_wizard: We are pleasant and kind

fractalcomputer: Only the Indo-Europeans.

fractalcomputer: The Basques and the Uralics are free of such stench.

hikukomoru: So Finns, Hungarians and Basques are not racist?

wellmeaningalien: yeah here its maghrebins but still

wellmeaningalien: germany is where the turks make kebabs

wellmeaningalien: i dont see how its any different

fractalcomputer: Indeed. We are superior in every way conceivable, both intellectually and morally.

hey1_1hey: Just thinkign, maybe they take so long to come out with Llama 4 a new better model will be released that is better than the reaonsing model in every way <:LOL:1187460826572005436>


spicy.lemonade: stuff with native voice

spicy.lemonade: not as fast

spicy.lemonade: but had its moments

spicy.lemonade: devin, claude supremacy

spicy.lemonade: etc

himekokatagiri:

.histic: tf

.histic: u guys have been in this server for ages

ldj: - just a ton of rumours
- people saying they're tired of rumours
- people saying its all just hype.
- people saying its all over.
- gary marcus saying he was right
- mid research papers

himekokatagiri: no way I joined last month

ldj: worst of all:

ldj: im glad that saga of AI history is over
it was fun and tumultous while it lasted though.

ldj: <a:Classic:1170538418544062586>

zoermena: I joined the singularity in 2022 but in Zain server 👍🏼

.histic: how is it 2023

spicy.lemonade: fr

spicy.lemonade: once gpt5 comes out

spicy.lemonade: gary will shut up

himekokatagiri:

ldj: I predic that Gary marcus won't shutup until **atleast** GPT-5.5 or an equivelant model

.histic: bro just keeps receipts

himekokatagiri: It's history

zoermena: Gary Marcus is insufferable and many times his supporters too

.histic: i bet you've a dedicated porn folder on your device, don't you?

himekokatagiri: uhhh yeah why wouldn't I

spicy.lemonade: what other future was there besides deep learning?

spicy.lemonade: lol

zoermena: It’s almost like the motherfucker doesn’t want the world to get better technology

“Oh haha you got cancer and you won’t get a cure soon haha I’m so right lol” <:Gary:1293094352796520599>

zoermena: Literal human excrement

.histic: what is it filled with

himekokatagiri:

himekokatagiri: Suzuha.

.histic: i realize you're 20 years old

.histic: you aren't grown enough

.histic: back in my times

zoermena: Im going to make a “bold” prediction but I think we’ll see GPT6 EOY

spicy.lemonade: gpt6 eoy means they have a working version rn

zoermena: You really think that? I suppose it should be ready by summer

zoermena: Late summer

.histic: i think realistically OpenAI would hold off on GPT-6 and call it GPT-5.5 if the improvements aren’t significant. if they are, i bet GPT-6 will be very compute-intensive that it would need months of optimization and safety testing.
early 2026 if that was the case.


trojan09205: I just got a pair of meta raybans

trojan09205: Pretty sick tbh

spicy.lemonade: i still dont have

spicy.lemonade: fucking veo 2

metaldragon01: It's in studio

spicy.lemonade: i only get like 1 use per 5 hours

spicy.lemonade: on studio

spicy.lemonade: i herd pro users get more uses on gemini website

anathemaofmankind: Just make 30 gmail accounts

anathemaofmankind: Why does it feel like my balls hurt for some reason

gamerbath: because you made 30 gmail accounts

ldj: And GPT-5 will be even better

ldj: <:WICKED:799336727679598673>

gamerbath: how do i use o3 in cursor? I don't think I can :(

forallhumanity: https://www.404media.co/this-college-protester-isnt-real-its-an-ai-powered-undercover-bot-for-cops/

anathemaofmankind: Settings

anathemaofmankind:

gamerbath: wait really????

gamerbath: I thought it wasn't released to API yet

gamerbath: and just 30c per request? how are they earning money on this

a1c4p0ne: Can it help you on factorio now <:ez:1136267305521774634>

anathemaofmankind: Holy shit bro <@471334973379706900>

anathemaofmankind: O3 solves a problem with 100% difficulty rating

trent_k: I've been using gemini for that, it does excellent

a1c4p0ne: With web search or no

trent_k: Too easy for oh threezy

trent_k: No search

a1c4p0ne: Nice

spicy.lemonade: god damn

a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/paulgauthier/status/1912892114310160392?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg

futurist_wizard: Man

futurist_wizard: Gemini 2.5 pro be ballin

joaoluz19: O4 can solve simple circuit problems that o1 and o3 could not solve

st.sioux: o4 will never ballin

zonchao: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLBsUarvWTw its over

abundantliving_:

abundantliving_: https://x.com/OpenAI/status/1912921639656071231

st.sioux: i love inequality 🙏

abundantliving_:

777agical: https://x.com/ns123abc/status/1912924672447873500


rayanquitplayin: Even the free versions are PhD level

st.sioux: idk man i think it has phd-level knowledge access, like the internet at its fingertips, but when it comes to using it it might be like freshman level

spicy.lemonade: o3 is phd level at:
math/cs/law/bio
(not writing)
its not even undergrad level at:
mechanical engineering/electrical engineering/ any engineering

spicy.lemonade: o3 suckksss

spicy.lemonade: at engineering

spicy.lemonade: no

spicy.lemonade: its not even phd level

spicy.lemonade: in any subject

spicy.lemonade: cant get 70% replication

spicy.lemonade: on paperbench

darkstar0818: So much of real world labor and work product is not something you can easily give a pass/fail score for.  Its going to be interesting to see benchmarks that weigh effectiveness in a non-binary way.

spicy.lemonade: any phd would be able to replicate a paper they read

brain4brain: On average, I want to do extrapolate

spicy.lemonade: o3 is a very smart highschooler who knows everything and can get into MIT

spicy.lemonade: undergrad

spicy.lemonade: not phd

spicy.lemonade: phd would be 80%+ on paperbench

rayanquitplayin: I did my undergrad in finance and I think the free version of ChatGPT is really good at finance

rayanquitplayin: Haven’t used the best models

spicy.lemonade: it could not replicate a finance paper

brain4brain: Old estimation

GPT-4 = High-school level
O1 = College level
O3 = PhD level

New estimates
GPT-4 = Middle-school level (??)
O1 = High-school level (??)
O3 = Under graduates level (??)

spicy.lemonade: as in read it and reproduce the experiment

spicy.lemonade: o3 is still undergrad

spicy.lemonade: o1 wasnt undergrad

spicy.lemonade: more like very smart highschooler

brain4brain: But it's twice as good as o1 on average to almost every benchmark

spicy.lemonade: to be phd level it has to be able to replicate and reproduce paper

spicy.lemonade: paper bench is only at 20%

spicy.lemonade: not phd level

rayanquitplayin: What types of papers like research papers?

brain4brain: Fixed with the pessimistic estimate

spicy.lemonade: yes

spicy.lemonade: ie. "read this new research paper that came out and redo the experiment"

metaldragon01: o3 with scaffolding can obv do it

spicy.lemonade: thats deepreseach

spicy.lemonade: and it only got 5% better

metaldragon01: Humans use a ton of scaffolding

spicy.lemonade: so not really

metaldragon01: Yes really

rayanquitplayin: Idk too much about finance papers but the way ChatGPT words things makes it pretty good at finance imo


.histic: ?

himekokatagiri: everything in the store....

.histic: oh i thought you meant something else

himekokatagiri: <:suseye:1187461162024046703>

.histic: i saw a video showing a guy in brazil robbing a gas station and undercover police shot him dead when he ran out from the store. the man stole like a couple of chips and drinks.

himekokatagiri: That cop's rotting in jail probably

drewsni: i recommend everyone abandoning all platforms and just use open webui + openrouter

himekokatagiri: what's that

drewsni: open source chatgpt ui clone that can use any model

drewsni: + has artifacts, web search, code interpreter and functions you can add on

hikukomoru: Are u in college

hikukomoru: <@1004153620025065482> Hi cock

himekokatagiri: no I graduated

himekokatagiri: woah komoru cigarettes

Carl-bot#1536:

hikukomoru: Wait aren't you 20

himekokatagiri: aren't cigarettes hot!

himekokatagiri: yeah

futurist_wizard: Hello Kum

futurist_wizard: Did u mis me? 🥺

hikukomoru: How did you already graduate then

hikukomoru: That's me

himekokatagiri: latest obsession: **komoru**

himekokatagiri: associates degree

hikukomoru: What did you study

himekokatagiri: systems analyst

hikukomoru: I forgot you even existed until you joined again

theaiguy69420_89814: pretty boring ngl

futurist_wizard:

hikukomoru: Why are you working at a convenience store instead of systems analyst stuff

himekokatagiri: AI took all the jobs

a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/roasted-oh-shookt-gif-8269968

himekokatagiri: also the economy sucks

himekokatagiri: therefore I conclude the most logical solution is to just coast it in life

hikukomoru: Oh, so you're just gonna make minimum wage and wait until AGI saves you

himekokatagiri: Exactly

a1c4p0ne: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/no-lo-entender%C3%ADas-gif-5748517620772326407

hikukomoru: Well good luck then, cause you're gonna need it since you live in Brasil

hikukomoru: This is a compliment


jonvi_1: uhm no

jonvi_1: So like

jonvi_1: it's just that you don't attribute phenomena in our universe to something spiritual

jonvi_1: Think a non-religious physicist

hey1_1hey: So gravity exists because its a fundemental property and not something magical

jonvi_1: My point was that she doesn't believe there's anything special about human consciousness or intelligence, so she wouldn't be opposed to the possibility to engineer an intelligence

hey1_1hey: Well there we go then. Thats all I need to hear. Sabine is back in my somewhat based books

hey1_1hey: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/trump-tariffs-who-will-be-hit-hardest-by-china-us-trade-war-as-president-threatens-104-levy/ar-AA1Cli4P

Unrelated but-

jonvi_1: yes, but more like, consciousness is a process in the brain and not something attached to a soul

retrerox: Are you telling me that youtubers make videos just to catch quick views without caring to provide accurate information?

retrerox: no way....

hey1_1hey: Whos even counting anymore? 50% 100%? 200%?

hey1_1hey: There just numbers at this point

hey1_1hey: Im not even smart enough to even argue about that <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

hikukomoru: She gives me luddite vibes tbh

jonvi_1: ?

jonvi_1: lol

singularityenjoyer: She says things like "not anytime soon"

hikukomoru: I'm a vibes-based creature
You wouldn't get it

jonvi_1: And what is a Luddite

futurist_wizard: Sabine made good points in the video

futurist_wizard: The video is very interesting

hikukomoru: I use luddite for anyone that doesn't agree with me

singularityenjoyer: Slow timelines = Luddite (not literally)

futurist_wizard: She gave a 5+ year timeline in this

wellmeaningalien: yall seen sakana 2 release

wellmeaningalien: ai researcher thing

futurist_wizard: 5 years is soon

wellmeaningalien: whatchacallit

hikukomoru: Is it good

wellmeaningalien: well it made like a paper that got accepted into a scientific publication admittedly its not nature but its good nuff

wellmeaningalien: apparently had like lower criterias than most for acceptance but thats still pretty good

wellmeaningalien: biggest breakthrough is having an open ended tree search structure instead of a linear structure in the first version for idea exploration

wellmeaningalien: and it makes pretty good passable papers

futurist_wizard: High suspicion gpt 5 will be disappointing tbh

wellmeaningalien: new reasoning models make it pretty good too

hikukomoru: I heard it got like the bare minimum to get accepted
Still pretty nice

hikukomoru: Why

futurist_wizard: I remember reading that ai companies are developing symbolic reasoning and a world model to implement in AI and these two things are needed for agi but those will take a few years to develop, which is outside of the scope of GPT 5

futurist_wizard: GPT 5 will probably be perceived as being a smart reasoning LLM but it won't be world changing


hey1_1hey: Who tf is brampton. Looks fake

wellmeaningalien: this has got to be the most vague, vibes based benchmark ive ever seen

wellmeaningalien: YEAH IT LOOKS LIKE A JOKE DUDE

hey1_1hey: Wait you know what it looks like

gamerbath: they made their own benchmark for their own model? like their model was so much better it needed its own benchmark lol

wellmeaningalien: literally just "our model, brampton, is more good on our BRAMPTON benchmark (were not gonna say what it is tho)"

wellmeaningalien: LMAO YEAH

hey1_1hey: So yanno in that movie maze runner? That evil corporation? It litterly looks like something they would make

hey1_1hey: Talk about a power move if reak

gamerbath: if it was real they would have posted real benchmarks lol

hikukomoru: Does discord look different

wellmeaningalien: as chatgpt "turn the image into a professionally shot portrait"

wellmeaningalien: yeah bro  what the fuck is this

hey1_1hey: Not for me

hey1_1hey: Let me restart

wellmeaningalien: im all for new paradigms but PLEASE OH PLEASE just an itsy bit of info

wellmeaningalien: like

wellmeaningalien: those are some big claims buddy

hey1_1hey: EW WTF

hey1_1hey: What happned to my discord

hikukomoru: This shit is so ass bro 💔

hey1_1hey: It feels too cramped and spaciouse at the same time

hikukomoru: What is this 💔

joaoluz19: Yep it fucked up the appearance

zoermena: How long to get the new image gen?

hey1_1hey: Why does everything seem so misaligned

zoermena: I don’t think I have it yet? If I do Gemini>4o

joaoluz19:

hikukomoru: DISCORD FIX THIS SHIT
WHY DOES IT LOOK AWFUL NOW

777agical: https://x.com/emostaque/status/1904625816136499614?s=46

hey1_1hey: Can it do mpreg?

zoermena: Can you send a ss of the chat? Just to get a reference that I can try? Thanks! 👍

hikukomoru: I can barely read shit

futurist_wizard: Keep the fetish posting to a maximum.

joaoluz19: Made in sora, didn't test in the chat yet

gamerbath: oh my god guys why did ya'll make me restart discord 😭

zoermena: Oh? How?

hey1_1hey: Innit

hey1_1hey: This shit is so ass

hey1_1hey: Take me back


.wolfnacht: can't wait to see full o4 benchmaxxing.

.wolfnacht: what's y'all predictions for full o4 benchmark ?

spicy.lemonade: god

.wolfnacht: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177324943734735010/1357116802605514792/OIIAOIIAOIIA.gif

.histic: <:idk:1136264106937171999>
could be mid, who knows.

.wolfnacht: yeah, sama could fuck up.

.wolfnacht: but what if he doesn't <:Ted:1136265390549381253>

spicy.lemonade: Won’t be mid

spicy.lemonade: also itl be really interesting

spicy.lemonade: itl be the next datapoint

spicy.lemonade: for reasoning paradigm

spicy.lemonade: 3rd datapoint

spicy.lemonade: we can begin doing some extrapolations fr

spicy.lemonade: if o4 shows same type of improvement from o1 to o3 or even more

spicy.lemonade: then reasoning will get us to asi

.histic: if the jump is the same from o1 to o3 then it will be a good release.
or if o4-mini-high performs close to o3-level, similar to how o3-mini-highs performs on par with o1 in many ways.

.histic: i think self-improving reasoning models will be the goat.
if that ever happens effectively.

spicy.lemonade: it will<:ez:1136267305521774634>

spicy.lemonade: also just realized lol

spicy.lemonade: technically today

spicy.lemonade: models still are just using

spicy.lemonade: "
AI: <text>...</text>
User: <text>...</text>
"

waspothegreat: feel the AGI

.wolfnacht:

spicy.lemonade: loll

rayanquitplayin: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8jDwwSf/
Guys I found this TikTok and I really like what he said, if anyone has thoughts reply to this

oscurrito: Anyone ever feel like there's wasted potential with different models and or their interactions? Dunno, I just feel like the dialog of different models together would be something cool to try. Everyone always uses a single model and the rest are forgotten, but I feel like someone should try and pool together the skills of multiple models (i.e. gpt's general skill or Claude's coding magic). Also would just be interesting to see if models like Gemini 2.5 pro, Claude 3.7, and o3 full (once it comes out) could produce better results if they collaborated

3ds0662: that takes a lot of focus

3ds0662: and subscriptions

3ds0662: lol 😂

okbut: >Clones SOTA biomolecular data model
>Opens readme

_cloudost:

aero447: Gentlemen.

aero447:

spicy.lemonade: Proud of you

aero447: https://tenor.com/view/jaehyun-walking-slow-motion-nctgifz-gif-24147336

abundantliving_: I got blocked by him long time back 🤣 over some reply on his tweet.

spicy.lemonade: Wish I was more like you guys

aero447: I think he blocked me over stating that an article he posted about was over two years old and was not marked as such.

aero447: 🤣


trent_k: If you have an AI girlfriend, you have no right to speak about anything. Shut the fuck up

zoermena: What even is this

ailoveyoom: I'm p sure he's trolling

ailoveyoom: JOI could be slang for jerk off instructions

trent_k: No he's absolutely serious

ailoveyoom: Which is its own niche

trent_k: And also mentally ill

himekokatagiri: I don't believe in trolling anymore

futurist_wizard: Please don't tell me you engage in that too

futurist_wizard: Since you know what it is

futurist_wizard: Click for big juicy ass

spicy.lemonade: fuck you😭

.histic: high iq puzzle

rayanquitplayin: Hello

zoermena: Clearly I’m not high iq, how do you solve this or how does it work, are those instructions to move the pieces?

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade:

spicy.lemonade: aparrently an exponential chart has the lowest error so

spicy.lemonade: agi late june-july?

spicy.lemonade: gpt5 = agi?

otub: his agi is one thats embodied in a humanoid robot that can assemble ikea furniture for him

otub: so not this year

metaldragon01: https://vxtwitter.com/im_roy_lee/status/1914061483149001132

futurist_wizard: Cursed

metaldragon01: https://x.com/gdb/status/1914106403574452496

metaldragon01: Double edge for sure but certainly the future

metaldragon01: People who don't listen to advanced ai will fall behind

metaldragon01: Internalize that

.histic: it's from an r/singularity [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1k3yr83/o3_failed_to_solve_this_simple_puzzle/)
it involves a lot of spatial reasoning (shape rotator stuff).
i found it was from a puzzle escape room book called UDEXIA
it's puzzle #14. https://forum.udexia.app/t/udexia-puzzle-14/81/2

it involves looking at each step and moving the pieces, it's like Tetris (the pieces fall down and when they're on the bottom they become stationary) + conveyor belt (on the top, the arrow indications) spatial reasoning. it's supposed to spell out a character apparently. it's hard, and getting the book probably helps you get a better feel of it.

zoermena: I got the clue it was a word from that half R but the only thing I didn’t understand was how the conveyor belt worked, would be cool if AI solved it though

spicy.lemonade: <:ez:1136267305521774634> this week is gonna be gemini week

sarik0497: We did “ban” all mentions of that fruity guy. David Shapiro is not much better than him in terms of being a hypeman.

.histic: OpenAI stays winning.
now normies will use it more due to this.
Sam Altman trolling never gets old.

himekokatagiri: What does it mean

.histic: they used this response, as a reference to OpenAI losing millions.
but Sam wasn't be serious here, it was joking.

himekokatagiri: Oh

himekokatagiri: Dexerto

himekokatagiri: aren't they the same guys who make the GTA 6 'journalism'

himekokatagiri: fucking rag I've ever saw one