theaiguy69420_89814: I'd say 3yrs max tbh
alejandrozarzuelo: it is very fast progress
alejandrozarzuelo: this is why i say 5 years not 50
theaiguy69420_89814: Very good
alejandrozarzuelo: i agree
alejandrozarzuelo: good progress sure
theaiguy69420_89814: And RN commerical real estate is so cheap cuz COVID
theaiguy69420_89814: https://youtu.be/Z3yQHYNXPws?si=TwYrIclxVL8e4_OM
theaiguy69420_89814: They're making very good progress
theaiguy69420_89814: I've been keeping up with the space
theaiguy69420_89814: Watch the figure AI videos
theaiguy69420_89814: Idk
alejandrozarzuelo: too soon
alejandrozarzuelo: 5 years maybe
theaiguy69420_89814: Why not
alejandrozarzuelo: no
alejandrozarzuelo: no
theaiguy69420_89814: Robot spas, robot restaurant, etc
alejandrozarzuelo: but that can happen at a wider scale
theaiguy69420_89814: Come 12-24mo there will be places like this
alejandrozarzuelo: mostly due to solar panels
theaiguy69420_89814: I think at the very least, commercial real estate for this kind of idea is a good buy rn
alejandrozarzuelo: countries like china already suffer from innovation induced deflation
theaiguy69420_89814: Yeah but I'd say in 12months it's feasible
wolf3404: Bots that can thinly slice a tomato and gently place it on a burger bun don't exist yet
alejandrozarzuelo: we stave it off because our goverments print a lot of money
alejandrozarzuelo: deflation is a phenomenon inherent to innovation
alejandrozarzuelo: however, over time, automation will drive the price of potatoes and synthetic meat down
theaiguy69420_89814: After a year of saving like 1$ per burger, maybe up ur profit margin to 1.5$ per burger, and then you only have to sell 300k burgers to break even
theaiguy69420_89814: Well, think about it. 20k/bot, 20 bots, that's 400k
alejandrozarzuelo: it would cost you 1.4$
wolf3404: It would probably cost ×100 time more because of the capex to implement this
theaiguy69420_89814: Which is very good
alejandrozarzuelo: which it is
alejandrozarzuelo: assuming that electricity prices are negligible for this kind of stuff
theaiguy69420_89814: So maybe we could bring it down to 1$
theaiguy69420_89814: So I know near me, a mcdouble costs 2$
theaiguy69420_89814: Just asked ChatGPT, it's saying 30% of the cost goes to labor
alejandrozarzuelo: lets do this
alejandrozarzuelo: ok as a thought experiment


spicy.lemonade: Agi and singularity being 15 years apart makes sense
spicy.lemonade: Actually
spicy.lemonade: And comes sooner
spicy.lemonade: I hope that his singularity prediction is wrong
spicy.lemonade: Kurzweil is a prophet
spicy.lemonade: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
clevermoniker: and long term memory could be solved
clevermoniker: then just spend a bit more time to search/remember the thing
clevermoniker: like if only they could make an LLM or derived system that can store memories in slower hardware like SSD and not need to have it on RAM/VRAM
clevermoniker: funny since computers are supposed to be good at memory
clevermoniker: the 24hour memory stuff could be harder
clevermoniker: at least since its just a bit more resilience that part could happen sooner than later
clevermoniker: who knows how long it will take for them to get this long term memory and more resilience tho
brain4brain: Ah I see
clevermoniker: i mean, i said less than 10% to say something, that could mean 0.1% for all we know
clevermoniker: i think if the current AIs had long term memory and a bit more resilience they could do this already
brain4brain: Wow, that’s higher than my guesstimate
brain4brain: I’m not good with calculating computer FLOP, it have all the compute needed to be smarter than all of humanity, but I’m not sure it can access it if it’s aligned
ldj: Okay chat, sooo.
remember kurzweil had his prediction for 2029?
His specific prediction was that, in 2029, an AI will be able to pass a very hard long horizon turing test where each expert judge gets to interact with the AI for 8 hours, and overall the test lasts 24 hours.

So I decided to check the METR time horizons paper to see what year does it predict 99% accuracy would be achieved for ~24 hour time horizon with the standard long term trend?
The answer is 2032 <:WICKED:934132365851246692> surprisingly close to Kurzweils 2029 prediction.

But... then I remember there is also the new 4.5 month doubling rate that might be forming due to reasoning models,
so using that doubling rate over the next few years, you end up achieving 8 hour time horizons in 2029 and 24 hour time horizon in 2030
clevermoniker: less than 10%
clevermoniker: why so big of a range?
brain4brain: Give a vibe guesstimate
brain4brain: 2026 - 2028
clevermoniker: without long term memory? not much that's for sure
brain4brain: How many % do you think current system is capable of automating?
clevermoniker: <@848793071579693107> ok, so, let's say you are right and it happens this year, how long for ASI?
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/100percent-happening-wes-bentley-jamie-dutton-yellowstone-accurate-gif-18587905
brain4brain: It will happen
brain4brain: 2026 is also probably for me, some variation of my math says 2026, while the other say 2025 (we don’t talk about 2027)
zoermena: You made a mistake, CM will bully you in perpetuity now
brain4brain: Yes
clevermoniker: <:doubt:1241973773683654719>
clevermoniker: so they will solve long term memory and resilience this year?
clevermoniker: <:shockedpikachu:1187466564551852175>
brain4brain: AGI for me is capable of automating 90% of digital jobs
brain4brain: 2025.
clevermoniker: <@848793071579693107> what's your AGI timeline?
drewsni: tell tsmc to hurry up
spicy.lemonade: MORE
spicy.lemonade: FASTER


metaldragon01: my hunch is openai new open source model \
clevermoniker: if its a OAI model, might it be o4 mini?
clevermoniker: i wonder what quasar is
clevermoniker: when i don't get refusal quasar is pretty good
ldj: Where are you using it though? Lmarena is a different model than the official release
futurist_wizard: Accurate
futurist_wizard:
spicy.lemonade: Loll
spicy.lemonade: Creative writing
spicy.lemonade: Instructions
spicy.lemonade: Memory
spicy.lemonade: Just bad as a model
spicy.lemonade: Also I don’t mean it’s bad at coding or knowledge or wtv
spicy.lemonade: These are bare minimum
metaldragon01: not even trending a day after release
metaldragon01:
ldj: O
ldj:
metaldragon01: the biggest problem is it not even trending on openrouter and quasar is killing it
spicy.lemonade: Everything I see is bad
spicy.lemonade: Idk
spicy.lemonade: Loll
agezes: So then. In you personal opinions in which % of agi are we currently?
metaldragon01: https://vxtwitter.com/abacaj/status/1908992852027494515
ldj: What did they use it through? Because if you’re talking about lmsys tests, that one is actually not the same post training as the official released version
ldj: Link?
spicy.lemonade: Just seen other peoples used and creative writing
ldj: If someone believes that nothing ever happens, then wouldn’t they just not vote at all <:thinkies:872847213657735239>
ldj: Did you try it?
spicy.lemonade: Huge L
_cloudost: Mark Suckerberg
spicy.lemonade: Meta should drop
spicy.lemonade: Llama sucks
ldj:
ldj: ?
L4-Maverick seems ro be competing with the newer Deepseek V3.1 while having half the active params and even less total parameters than Deepseek V3.1.

And Deepseek doesn’t have image input capabilities either while L4 has both image and video understanding
hikukomoru: Because he's about as qualified when it comes to AI as the average person here
agezes: really? why you think that?
okbut: Cool capability with Gemini: Among other commands defined in a framework within "Saved info," one is:
```/i - Search images related to the query, embed a gallery, then describe.```

ChatGPT won't give descriptions for each image. Gemini will
.wolfnacht: and released back in dec
.wolfnacht: Scout and maverick should be the L3.3


professorheaven: Show the prompt comparisons and I’ll believe
professorheaven: Bullshit
spicy.lemonade: many people will call agi by eoy
spicy.lemonade: and recruiting
spicy.lemonade: because theyve been hiring robotics people
spicy.lemonade: i think openAI will also do a robotics showcase
spicy.lemonade: i think ill call gpt5 agi
spicy.lemonade: yeah same
hey1_1hey: AGI in my books (I am predicitng thats what I will say)
shirethedreamer: coming on 2 years now lmao
hey1_1hey: So hey
hey1_1hey: I mean my hopes for gpt 5 were sky high and they said it would be even better
shirethedreamer:
spicy.lemonade: frontier math
spicy.lemonade: 75%
spicy.lemonade: arc 2
spicy.lemonade: 70%
spicy.lemonade: im predicting
spicy.lemonade: i have a feeling many people will call gpt5 agi
drewsni: This is my face when I just finished up my project that would have used $6600 in API fees but it was free
spicy.lemonade: his predictins have nthing to do with his actual scale moving fr
.0xunkn0wn: like in the `` thingies
.0xunkn0wn: it didnt know how to format code n shit
.0xunkn0wn: like
.0xunkn0wn: o3 mini was worse in coding than 4o 😭
spicy.lemonade: mini models are only ever good for specific math and coding problems
.0xunkn0wn: yeah
spicy.lemonade: mini models suck
shirethedreamer: he said "agi is months away"
more than a year ago...
spicy.lemonade: im sure they improved
.0xunkn0wn: and o3 full is 😭
.0xunkn0wn: but 2.5 pro is free
.0xunkn0wn: yeah probably
spicy.lemonade: technically he isnt wrong
spicy.lemonade: he hasn put it at 100% yet
spicy.lemonade: how
spicy.lemonade: i bet o3 full is better than 2.5 pro
hey1_1hey: "Hey babe what you up to 🫦 "
shirethedreamer: i mean
he is already wrong
i dont think there is much vindication after the dead line
.0xunkn0wn: and if o5 will be agi 🙏


3ds0662: 😭
literallyvarane:
hey1_1hey: Anyone but Komoru I beg
3ds0662: maybe a year of crowd funding would allow 20k plan use for a discord instead of spending on nitro and boosting the server
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-cillian-murphy-cillian-murphy-peaky-blinders-gif-1787947313354313976
st.sioux: im convinced most people here are unemployed
literallyvarane: Organizational if I recall
.histic: <@505313122802728972>
_3sphere: otherwise good luck finding 20 singularitycord degens who can actually contribute 1k to this
st.sioux: god?
st.sioux: what is level 5?
literallyvarane: If anything level 4 and 5 are more A and B than nature progressions.
_3sphere: Maybe the more serious discords like EAI might
hey1_1hey: I was just looking at the artist who made the song I am listening to and this is one of the images in his slide
a1c4p0ne: Plebs won't be able to use it
hey1_1hey: Which one of you mfs posted this image the other day?
3ds0662: would it be hilarious if discords started group funding to use the 20k plan
literallyvarane: That’s how I’m viewing level 4 tbh.
_3sphere: That's singularity shit 😭
st.sioux: i mean nothing as in its super cheap in terms of cost/benefit
literallyvarane: It needs to be able to identify which questions are worth asking.
st.sioux: with current models i would say it pays for itself at least in the API, i budget like $10 everyday and save like 4-5 hours which is nothing
3ds0662: you'll have used up all the capital on the subscription for one time use
literallyvarane: I guess I’m much more interested in a model where you just give it every academic paper published in 2025, and it, by itself, identifies clearly novel paths of inquiry to pursue and work on.
st.sioux: 1% chance is quite low
3ds0662: lol
3ds0662: 1% chance it pays itself off
3ds0662: you can afford it if you treat it like a car and take out a loan
hey1_1hey: One of them is an AI company to compete with AI and the level 4 Innovator is the CEO
_3sphere: that AI turns capital into any labor
hey1_1hey: Infinite money glitch
3ds0662: shit soo many usecases lol
_3sphere: This could be seen from a lightyear away
st.sioux: you could invest the $20k and start like 500 different businesses ina  month
3ds0662: thats how you become rich or solve your own problems
.histic: not even small business can afford that shit, only the elites or big businesses can <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
3ds0662: LOL
hey1_1hey: Its for orgs, I mean I dont know why a random person would need to invent some new shit
3ds0662: smh
3ds0662: the rich always win


literallyvarane: I think we'll have 03/04m by May.
wellmeaningalien: could be o3/o4-mini too now that i think about it
wellmeaningalien: you can never know dragon
metaldragon01: Openai or that new google model....maybe llama 4 are my candidates and I don't think any are dropping in a week.
literallyvarane: O1/O3m >>> Grok3/03m >>> 2.5Pro?
darkstar0818: technically google is already testing better models 🙂
literallyvarane: What do we think the frontier progression is this year?
wellmeaningalien: i give it a week
wellmeaningalien: is this like a psyop of yours
metaldragon01: Absolutely insane timeline this year
metaldragon01: And it won't be the best model 30 days from now
literallyvarane: It's a very good model.
hikukomoru: 2.5 is a fucking godsent
st.sioux: is this post scarcity
st.sioux: i used  2.5 to do like 80% of my job today using openrouter and it cost me nothing
drewsni: i think it was a ui bug i was running into
waspothegreat: no I meant that as in I'm in disbelief of what you said
drewsni: how so
waspothegreat: no way the pro preview model is worse
drewsni: also in theory a limit of 500 grounding searches free per day, so gonna test that too i suppose
drewsni: and the rate limits page says the rpd limit is 150 but im at 400 now and counting
drewsni: looks like rate liimit is still at 20rpm for the free model
drewsni: it would be really funny if theyre training on my api calls and everything about the subject the youtuber is in is just dominated by him now because of it when AI is asked questions
metaldragon01: Google giving us the closest thing to ubi
metaldragon01: It's incredible value
drewsni: im finding out right now if theyre enforcing stricter limits on the free model
drewsni: at roughly 700k tokens per video, and needing to double up api calls i think it would be roughly 8500 lol
drewsni: going through 2200 youtube videos from a youtuber and making structured output about them, then doing grounding search
metaldragon01: Nope. What's this new one?
drewsni: are you that orion inference account?
brain4brain:
drewsni: Also did i tell you about the project im working on that i just finished using 2.5 pro exp that would have cost around $8500 with the production model lol
drewsni: that was literally the problem it was fucking with the code windows because it wouldnt escape the curly brackets
metaldragon01: 😂
drewsni: it was the curly bracket issue it was having on day 1 when it came out
drewsni: LMAO
drewsni: production model was fine, as was gemini 2 flash
metaldragon01: Tested both in studio?
metaldragon01: Is the production model having the same issue?
drewsni: actually there were significant UI lag issues in the last two weeks that disappeared today, i bet it has to do with that


zoermena: I meant like, every government in the world. Beyond those two
alejandrozarzuelo: no dude no
gamerbath: like fr, wouldn't this be better than the divided world we live in now? A single worldwide united nation would mean virtually no wars and peace across the globe
alejandrozarzuelo: between china and the US? China of course, but hegemons always turn evil, i wouldnt want the 90s but with china instead of the US
futurist_wizard: The partizan wars
.wolfnacht:
fractalcomputer: Human goals? What human goals?
gamerbath: let's goooooo
alejandrozarzuelo: yeah but the authors of the article and myself agree this will happen by 2030, the difference is that in the AI 2027 paper they think that by 2030 the world will have an ASI god capable of thinking like a quadrillion humans
zoermena: Which government would you prefer regardless of which is leading in AI to dominate
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/china-gif-4558537878372354201
st.sioux: lol
alejandrozarzuelo: but if i had to choose china has the edge, still not the best scenario
.wolfnacht: wait till huawei chips catch up with nvidia's, and then i don't think it'll that that much time for china to scale up, the gpu blockade is what keeping them back.
alejandrozarzuelo: i dont want either to dominare, i would prefer neither has a significant lead
futurist_wizard: I think you do want China to dominate
alejandrozarzuelo: in any case, the reason why i would give a slight edge to china is their commitment to open source AI, in part by necessity, but in large part due to ideology and geopolitics
futurist_wizard: Demis 🇬🇧🇬🇧
alejandrozarzuelo: the deporter in chief

also Trump has not been responsible for thousands of deaths internationally, not yet

although this can VERY easily change
.wolfnacht: Behold the 6th upcoming root race, the chinese and brazilians.
alejandrozarzuelo: Trump is just what the US has always been but mask off, Obama was crueler than trump has so far
alejandrozarzuelo: the US goverment is more misaligned with human goals than the CCP
alejandrozarzuelo: nono, this was true before trump
.wolfnacht: 2027 mentioned, summon brain4brain
sarik0497: That's arguable, even with the current political climate in the U.S. right now.

Our best hope is that Demis' team gets it first <a:Pepe_Pray:854905383142555689>
futurist_wizard:
alejandrozarzuelo: the main reason why i think that the AI futures have a significant underestimation of china is that china has advantages that they dont take into account

also as they said the chip gap closes by 2030, and i dont think its reasonable that an agi turn ASI comes before thn
zoermena: By AI2027 project you mean that hyped paper with timelines?
777agical: He gathers info from data mining
alejandrozarzuelo: but i wouldnt want either to dominate
literallyvarane: Imma need MUCH more than a tweet lololol
alejandrozarzuelo: china is better for AGI than the US in the fundamentals
sarik0497: Ngl, would laugh my ass off if China proceed to win.

...And then get very nervous about what they intend to do with AGI.
alejandrozarzuelo: And people were saying that the AI2027 project wasnt an american nationalist mouthpiece

regardless of the merits of the webpage, its true they have a very biased geopolitical perpective
metaldragon01: It's 2.5 but a larger model than pro
metaldragon01: Flash, pro, ultra are the tiers of models
st.sioux: is gemini ultra gemini 3.0?
st.sioux: ai winter
metaldragon01: Time to accelerate
trey6033: Ayo


anathemaofmankind: This physics formula is soulless
anathemaofmankind: Mathematicians in shambles
spicy.lemonade: this means AI couldve come up with stuff newton and friends came up with
spicy.lemonade: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2504.02822v1
spicy.lemonade: MASS was trained on observational data from various physical systems (like pendulums or oscillators) without being explicitly told the underlying physical laws beforehand. The research found that the theories MASS developed often strongly resembled the known Hamiltonian or Lagrangian formulations of classical mechanics, depending on the complexity of the system it was analyzing. It converged on these well-established physics principles simply by trying to explain the data.
zoermena: I should really start looking in getting a good credit card I’ve been lacking not gonna lie
fractalcomputer: Finally some meaningful news.
spicy.lemonade: if same methods can be applied
sieventer: It's not a *perfect cheat code* XD
spicy.lemonade: not llm its a Lagrangian neural network. but yes big for AI in general
st.sioux: ok bro i just gave you a literal cheat code and you didnt take it, nothing i can do anymore
sieventer: I get your point
sieventer: Like you said, if you are very competent financially, maybe makes sense. But for the average person... can be dangerous
zoermena: I trust you since I know you are smart, this is big news I suppose right?
a1c4p0ne: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/s/7OSMOmGtjY
spicy.lemonade: yes
spicy.lemonade: just given data of world
zoermena: Did you watch it
anathemaofmankind: Luddites will say "AI is just predicting the next word"
spicy.lemonade: completely on its own
spicy.lemonade: https://youtu.be/wrkiMZ3SKH4
new MIT paper. AI discovered Hamiltonian physics without anty prior knowledge
st.sioux: use this advice wisely
sieventer: Yes, if you can't just save money, then a credit card of emergency it's fine
st.sioux: if you can get 0% interest and pay $120 month on your $1200 pc you keep $1080 liquid upfront which you can invest in something like an index fund, potentially earning returns while making fixed payments, its basically a discount
futurist_wizard: You are misunderstanding the use cases of credit cards, you use them to buy things you know you have the money to pay off, so you build credit and potentially receive rewards
anathemaofmankind: Well some people earn paycheck to paycheck and have no savings
ailoveyoom: Some people are really into physical goods
himekokatagiri: interest is a bitch
sieventer: Correct, that's why I said before in urgency situations. (ideally, you should have saved money for yourself to these situations, but yes)
ailoveyoom: It's a collector's thing
himekokatagiri: but yeah I wouldn't borrow unless I was certain I could pay it back
himekokatagiri: and this is a real concern okay
anathemaofmankind: Sometimes salaries can be delayed

Credit card helps with unexpected money problems
himekokatagiri: because Nvidia decided to focus 95% of their production to AI chips
sieventer: Teach me daddy, I'm open minded. I'm just using my logic, nothing offensive about it
zoermena: I understand that physical books are very cool but it’s not as practical as a digital file that could perhaps open along another tab to make sure that what you are reading makes sense if yk what I mean, moreover reading physical books usually invites bad neck posture.
himekokatagiri: uhhh the computer parts could get more expensive
himekokatagiri: I didn't even use credit
himekokatagiri: but now it's over so I cancelled it
retrerox: Arent CC the root of evil?


hey1_1hey: You are the one to do that
.histic: that's true.
sometimes if i think about remembering my dreams it helps.
also, when i'm sick or my body is recovering from damage for some reason i start remembering my dreams.
hey1_1hey: Do you just go through it like a movie?
hikukomoru: Someone could psychoanalyze this
joaoluz19:
hey1_1hey: Dream land is goated, you can just do the most ridiculouse shit. I can imagine in my head while in my dream that I want there to be a robbery but I already know theres going to be a robbery because I thought it so I preperare for it instantly and I just win and save the day.
zoermena: I always dream but lucid dreaming is another level
futurist_wizard: Dream dream
a1c4p0ne:
hikukomoru: Are you a little chibi mushroom
hikukomoru: That's called FDVR, and it's not here yet
futurist_wizard: It's very interesting there
futurist_wizard: Why can't i just stay in dream land
hey1_1hey: Weakos, just get a better dream memory or smth
futurist_wizard: It's crazy hanging out with the homies who don't exist
hikukomoru: Everyone dreams every night
Most people just don't remember it
hey1_1hey: Thats just a bit odd to me yanno, some times dreams feel like they last an hour but sometimes only 15 mins
hey1_1hey: I'm always how I see myself in real life
.histic: yup
hey1_1hey: Close your eyes and open them again
hey1_1hey: Really am, I find it weird people dont dream every night because yanno... what do you do?
joaoluz19: Yeah I was answering that still exists some entry-level administrative jobs here
hey1_1hey: Conscious is litterly a word I can't spell.
futurist_wizard: In almost all of my dreams im a young child
zoermena: Lucky rascal
metaldragon01: No reason not to tbh
hey1_1hey: I also have concurrent dreams where if I think "I want to dream about this" I will and it will continue on from before. I've had this one dream that I've had for years and its just a tv series pretty much
hikukomoru: conscious*
Channel a bit of that brainpower for spelling won't you
futurist_wizard: I can't lucid dream, some of my dreams are very vivid so i guess it doesn't matter
zoermena: Ah it’s because himeku is a delivery driver
hey1_1hey: Yeah I do, every night some how. I always have done
hey1_1hey: Yeah I am not too sure whats up with it. Its like I channel all my imagination power for when I am not conciose
futurist_wizard: Sounds like you lucid dream
hey1_1hey: Mine are either hanging out with the bros, flying, doing some cool shit, AI or mushrooms
.histic: i can imagine things vividly in my head but rarely remember my dreams
hikukomoru: I wouldn't even harm a single fly
joaoluz19: Komoru with his maid
joaoluz19: Wgmi bros that's it
.histic: wait, that's actually a weird combo
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/hug-monsterinc-cute-boo-kitty-gif-4663332


spicy.lemonade: in terms of price
spicy.lemonade: it beat the benchmarks limits
spicy.lemonade: thats why they didnt include o3 high scor
spicy.lemonade: the benchmark had set limits lol
callmepyro: Would you declare asi "beaten" if that happened?
spicy.lemonade: but still meats criteria
spicy.lemonade: not efficient yes
spicy.lemonade: would it still not be asi
spicy.lemonade: i mean if we get ASI and it costs 1 billion dollars per question
spicy.lemonade: yes
callmepyro: not for the whole benchmark
callmepyro: $200 per question
spicy.lemonade: relatively its not that expensive for its score 200 dollars 75% low
spicy.lemonade: my point was that saying arc 1 wasnt beat bc its expensive doesnt sound correct
callmepyro: How about ARC-v3 where there is almost zero compute scaling
callmepyro: So what's your strategy for ARG-AGI-V2? What happens when 500x compute only moves your score from 4% to 15%?
ldj: They said they're already working on Arc-AGI v3.
So apparently not even V2 is the real deal yet lol
thedon7075: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/machine-learning-street-talk-mlst/id1510472996?i=1000700656218 last few minutes is interesting
spicy.lemonade: good hardware can let you generate lots of tokens for cheap like groq or npus etc
callmepyro: In order to generate 33 million tokens in the same time as 64k tokens today, that's 500x scaling
ldj: no they said there is uber drivers and single moms included in the humans
spicy.lemonade: I dont think token generation is as big of an issue
thedon7075: looks like chollet underestimated the models with arc-1. this is the real deal now
callmepyro: Yes really
spicy.lemonade: not really
thedon7075: and o3 only scores 4%
callmepyro: If your strat to 'kill' ARG-AGI is to wait 20 years... I dunno what to tell you
callmepyro: In order to reach the level of compute I'm talking about to 'solve' ARC-AGI-1, you would have to scale inference by 500x, lol. At moores law rate thats like 20 years
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: actual score is 60%
spicy.lemonade: human panel are from top universities btw lol
spicy.lemonade: theres 2 axis here
thedon7075: we are so back
spicy.lemonade: or much a model limit
spicy.lemonade: i dont think thats a conscern
spicy.lemonade: thats what i mean
callmepyro: so simple 🙂
spicy.lemonade: on gpu
callmepyro: Because otherwise it's not a system I can use
spicy.lemonade: simply just improve inference


zoermena: Praise fractal?
fractalcomputer: Sigh.
fractalcomputer: See, this is what I mean by a cult of personality.
darkstar0818: I have seen the future of singularitarianism and this is it.
zoermena: I would have to sacrifice sleep to study and eventually catch up to fractal
fractalcomputer: That will be in about 25 years.
drewsni: One day an AI will release that actually lives up to your expectations and we will never hear from you again
hikukomoru: I care about AI very much
I'm just not smart enough to actually talk about it
fractalcomputer: https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/motivic+cohomology
hikukomoru: He's like 60 give him a break
memlaswaif: We just here for the drama and vibes fr
zoermena: Im stupid what is that
memlaswaif: I feel like half the people that talk here don't even care about ai that much
zonchao: no homo in <#1136230110891081821> please
fractalcomputer: We all should just be discussing motivic cohomology theory.
zoermena: Dalle profile picture why no 4o
darkstar0818: I blame AI for programming humans to be better automatons.
hey1_1hey: I am not openly racist so I think I am doing really well thank you very much
hey1_1hey: I wouldn't go that far
hikukomoru: Single-handedly ruining the server smh
hey1_1hey: I was gonna say thats a complete lie but I gotta agree with you
hikukomoru: What a shame
hikukomoru: Ever since Mushroom man joined the quality of discussion has dropped drastically
hey1_1hey: Thats just off topic
hey1_1hey: I think its your fault hey ho
zonchao: <#1136231504440201216>
futurist_wizard: You need to add a #lowiq channel for all low iq discussions
darkstar0818: Okay, let me prepare an internet survey.
hikukomoru: Probably that Mushroom dude's fault
hey1_1hey: Talk about social suicide
hey1_1hey: I was gonna show ghiblified picture of me in skirt and thighs and now everyone thinks I like asmongold
hikukomoru: <@241872381906386944> Hey 🫦
fractalcomputer: I feel like the intellectual discussion here has degenerated.
hey1_1hey: It actually is
hey1_1hey: I've been sentenced to the hybolic star chamber
hikukomoru: You do these things to yourself btw
zonchao: it's over for u
hey1_1hey: NOOO
futurist_wizard: Seriously?
hikukomoru: Zamn you freaky like that huh


hikukomoru: I look like this btw
literallyvarane: *im not saying it reminds me of the paper I linked earlier but….”
spicy.lemonade: sora
drewsni: still Dalle for me
hikukomoru: It's over
joaoluz19: Where
gamerbath: <@312370916820779040> any idea why it seems to generate from top to bottom? is this just an effect they are adding? because diffusion doesn't look like that. Grok also has this same animation
maintcrew: any model that does this instead of just answering you deserves to go to the trash bin
joaoluz19: It's joever?
hey1_1hey: SAXEMS confirmed!
ailoveyoom: So fast goon or accurate goon to images
maintcrew: im fearing gemini 2.5 is retarded
literallyvarane: It’s actually just one H100 running at 99.999c
hikukomoru: Not feeling the vibes on this one ngl
joaoluz19: Meme generation is shit
spicy.lemonade: bigger and better
hey1_1hey: It litterly just added the "feel the AGI" text 😭
ailoveyoom: Keep in mind OAI's image takes thrice as long to generate lol
spicy.lemonade: yes
hikukomoru: Small startup company pls be understanding
gamerbath: and another attempt with gemini. it just doesn't compare
hey1_1hey: theme*
drewsni: its gonna make a greentext rn isnt it
hey1_1hey: SamA would have a killer anime intro music theem
ailoveyoom: Bigger model than Flash?
ailoveyoom: Why is it so slow?
hikukomoru: Main Character of the Singularity
hey1_1hey: Sshhhhh
joaoluz19: hahahahaha
_3sphere: anime sama <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hey1_1hey: I thought it made the black guy white then and I almost died
joaoluz19: Lol gpt is so much better
gamerbath: FREE USERS???
hikukomoru: Bro only knows 2 people on earth
st.sioux: 4o is racist
st.sioux: lol the eyes
spicy.lemonade: then refines
spicy.lemonade: it looks like it makes a blury version first
gamerbath: and here's 4o
gamerbath: here's gemini image gen


spicy.lemonade: freshman
spicy.lemonade: they gave me opportunity to integrate AI/llms into berkeley systems so illuse that as great resume pad
trojan09205: Are you in a masters program
okbut: feelsgoodman.jpg
trojan09205: Especially if you beef it up and include Ci/cd and infrastructure as code
spicy.lemonade: im just trying to internship max
spicy.lemonade: quality over quantity imo
trojan09205: Having a git showcase is great for jobs
trojan09205: I disagree. Im a senior SWE
spicy.lemonade: o3 could do my hw and what not
spicy.lemonade: useless in age of AI
anathemaofmankind: Gender isn't a strictly biological reality but sex is for most people
trojan09205: Have you considered just doing your homework and turning them into git repos and use that as a portfolio resume
joaoluz19: If anyone knows of similar work
futurist_wizard: Like Caster Semenya, a person with a vagina and undescended testicles, they also have a very deep voice, i like using her as an example when people just call gender 'strict biological realities'
joaoluz19: guys thinking about working on a paper with mathematical foundations of waifus
spicy.lemonade: (as job)
spicy.lemonade: im a swe for berkeley
spicy.lemonade: yes
spicy.lemonade: fuck labs
trojan09205: Spicy do you program?
spicy.lemonade: fuck hw, fuck projects
spicy.lemonade: thatd be amazing
spicy.lemonade: if uni was no hw just assesments holy shit
trojan09205: Bro maybe i found a new book to read haha
anathemaofmankind: You mean intersex people?

Whatever gender they identify as. Because ordinary categorization is difficult due to inherent physiological reasons
fractalcomputer: Minus points for your ignominious ignorance.
spicy.lemonade: but i cant make myself do the hw
spicy.lemonade: and my professors are realy wonderfull people, nobel prize winners at that. one of them one of heads of deepmind and other who was cofounder of openAI
trojan09205: Oh snap nice
futurist_wizard: What do you view them as though
fractalcomputer: It's the first line from the Call of Cthulhu, it's not GPT.
anathemaofmankind: No you misunderstand.

I make an exception for intersex because their body is fundamentally different.

I don't believe in mind body duality.

This is really the reason why I prefer sex over gender
futurist_wizard: Gender roles usually just punish men, in today's world there's actually much more ways to express as a woman, there aren't any clothes you couldn't wear that are too masculine
trojan09205: This is nice but is it GPT haha
spicy.lemonade: i dont want to do that shit
spicy.lemonade: bro when i have to self teach myself shit i learn way more but the second its put in class in assignment form
hikukomoru: Aren't trans people like 2% of the population too
The way a certain group of people talks about them you'd think they were 30% of the population
trojan09205: My tattoo guy was very cool. I wanted to use my brother’s guy but he was busy so i got the other guy in the studio. Cuban guy tatted literally on every inch
fractalcomputer: The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.


spicy.lemonade: still at a high level
spicy.lemonade: could be silicon based life form for all i know
spicy.lemonade: at high level its a duck
spicy.lemonade: but doesnt really mater
spicy.lemonade: i havent studied the internal workings
spicy.lemonade: as far as im concerened it behaves just like one
a1c4p0ne:
spicy.lemonade: "oh shit its a duck, wtf"
a1c4p0ne: <:rolf:1136266740754550784>
spicy.lemonade: like idk say i saw a duck type creature on mars
clevermoniker: Grok4 ain't happening before Llama 4
clevermoniker: Grok4? lmao, we don't even have Grok3 API yet
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: if i saw a duck
spicy.lemonade: I dont think id think that deep
fractalcomputer: And if you find a thing that quacks like a duck where you definitely should not be seeing a duck, you should conclude that that thing is just something that is really good at playing its own simulacrum of a duck and not a duck.
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/1904898131235660138
spicy.lemonade: but it might aswell be
spicy.lemonade: idk
spicy.lemonade: this is a looks like a duck quaks like a duck scenario
fractalcomputer: Is it the same as our understanding?
spicy.lemonade: it understands how a jacket would look when changed to tomodachi style. how glasses would change. how the pose would change and keep proportions and anatomy correct
fractalcomputer: In relation to other pictures, yes?
oooooooooog: which would make it a continious sort of situation, as models can always be improved... (sometimes...??)
its understanding is better than the last generation, for sure.
oooooooooog: probably a sufficiently good model of whatever is being "understood" as to predict it accurately in a diverse set of scenarios
spicy.lemonade: how it can be changed
spicy.lemonade: how it should look
spicy.lemonade: where it can be
spicy.lemonade: where it should be
spicy.lemonade: understanding each component in the image and what it is in relation to others
fractalcomputer: What do you think understanding is?
fractalcomputer: On what grounds?
spicy.lemonade: requires true understanding of what its seeing
spicy.lemonade: to replicate style on this level and grab from the source image
fractalcomputer: Astounding rhetoric.
spicy.lemonade: yes it does
spicy.lemonade: "it doesnt truly understand..."
spicy.lemonade: this kills all the arguements on
spicy.lemonade: when is vibe composing and directing
spicy.lemonade: vibecoding now vibe drawing


ailoveyoom: Try saying "cat standing on its two/hind legs dancing like a human" or something lol
spicy.lemonade: unless its done by some dude in his basement
hikukomoru: I don't have xitter either because it's just dudes with hitler pfps talking about crazy shit
spicy.lemonade: all research is profit incentive
spicy.lemonade: whats your point
spicy.lemonade: quite literaly everything done is a profit incentive
.histic: it just can't do surreal things. like the prompt here was a cat dancing like a human, it defaults to doing realistic visuals & movements.
cmtclx: im not up to date with all this stuff since i dont have xitter
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: the goal is agi
spicy.lemonade: everything on earth is a profit incentiv dude
cmtclx: i think its possible that twitter people themselves hacked it
cmtclx: some kind of ideological battle
hikukomoru: If 4chan goes down fr they'll just go to twitter lol
It's already 4chan 2.0
spicy.lemonade: is what youre saying
spicy.lemonade: so you believe you are more qualified than all researchers at deepmind?
cmtclx: seems like a personal feud or something
cmtclx: its crazy it got taken down site was pretty irrelevant already
st.sioux: they got hacked
cmtclx: btw is 4chan down im reading some people saying that it got taken down and when i tried entering it just doesnt load
spicy.lemonade: 4 days ago
spicy.lemonade: because this was said in their paper
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: ?
spicy.lemonade: do you believe you are more qualified than all of researchers at deepmind
spicy.lemonade: waity
spicy.lemonade: i jst told you things llms can do
spicy.lemonade: how is this cope
spicy.lemonade: ?
hikukomoru: I made a cat
_cloudost: Now you can replace all Pixar animators
_cloudost: Congratulations
hikukomoru: I switched through dozens of google accounts to find one that had it
hikukomoru: <@465177408073498634> <@590577270926868480> turns out I actually do have veo 2
cmtclx: hi fellow visionaries
hikukomoru: That's not really an answer
spicy.lemonade: "coding is not possible with llm"
"agent is not possible with llm"
"mathematical reasoning is not possible with llm"
"accurate image generation is not possible with llm"
hikukomoru: Is the new Kling here yet?
.histic: they need to fix controllability in Veo 3. sems inflexible.
the quality & physics understanding is good though, but it can't fill a wine glass to the brim yet.
zoermena: Yeah I just saw that on the bard discord


otub: <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
hikukomoru: Even when you go to bed and then wake up, it's still the same consciousness because your brain is still active even while you sleep
technocake.: if you believe the copenhagen interpretation, making a decision is cloning
hikukomoru: Not really
Your consciousness continues
_3sphere: Continuing to exist for one more Planck time is cloning
technocake.: uploading *is* cloning
_3sphere: Clones are a difficult ethical issue, yeah
technocake.: an upload should be a bifurcation
realelonmuskx: lmao
technocake.: in fact i think it's unethical to do so
technocake.: it's not mandatory to kill the spare
technocake.: in that case, there are 2 yous post teleport, one for which it worked and one for which it didn't
futurist_wizard: I am in the belief we can transfer our own consciousness into a machine that is emulating some sort of reality like our brain was doing, i do not have facts to back this up
_3sphere: The system continues, just elsewhere
technocake.: I posit that conciousness is an emergent property of a dynamically coherent complex system
realelonmuskx: "on the seventh day god finished his work that he has done, and he rested"? was bro, an omnipotent god, burnt out?
technocake.: I am still unsure what conciousness is, and I don't think anyone couldd decide one way or another
_3sphere: For a teleporter to kill you, you need some extra-physical soul thing that would fail to transfer
_3sphere: Why does the nature of consciousness follow what intuitively looks like "the same object over time"
technocake.: yes, but an emulated upload happens on a different substrate
futurist_wizard: I agree a scan wouldn't work
futurist_wizard: Im not talking about a scan
_3sphere: Why would speed make a difference
futurist_wizard: Like why can't we have a machine firing off electric signals to our brain continuing the stream of consciousness, that's literally what our brain is doing now but it isn't a machine doing it
technocake.: excepting slow nanobot brain replacement, a pure scan doesn't preserve subjective experience
technocake.: uploading is inherently a personality bifurcation
realelonmuskx: yep. same. they say "days" could be millions of years. not literal. lmao. keep repopulating this sitcom, its hilarious
futurist_wizard: Why not?
technocake.: the you that you are currently wouldd feel like it didn't work
technocake.: yes, but your meat substrate doesn't get that
hikukomoru: That's basically just creating a clone
futurist_wizard: Copying wouldn't do anything
hey1_1hey: I have slowly been converting everyone in my class for the past 2 years from "AI is horrible and it needs to be stopped immidetly" to "AI is pretty good yanno"
hikukomoru: What's the point of copying my mind if my consciousness doesn't get transfered
futurist_wizard: Maybe like those matrix pods
futurist_wizard: You don't need to copy anything to mind upload, your whole body would have to be connected to some machine that continues your strain of consciousness
hey1_1hey: Truely, I really need to invite him to the cult of the singualrity
technocake.: you're doing gods work
technocake.: your upload is just the same, it has continuous experience, the one that was copied doesn't
hey1_1hey: I managed to give one of the christian fellas in my class a bit of an existential crisis the other day because I actually brought up that the bible is borderline incoherrent when it comes to inconsistancies. He said that its not to be taken litterly so I asked if it was up to interpretation and he said I guess so, I proceded to make up the most backwards interpretations of all the verses known to man <:LOL:1187460826572005436>


maintcrew: i dont think i know 50 people in total ur coping
futurist_wizard: 1 one was trans the other was cis, they liked and did different things
hey1_1hey: Actually more like 50
alejandrozarzuelo: That's literally impossible
drewsni: how
hey1_1hey: prob more
hey1_1hey: I know litterly 20
hey1_1hey: How?
maintcrew: "patriachy" 💔
gay af
hikukomoru: Yeah and it shows
alejandrozarzuelo: The idea of being gay is tho

People just used to do gay stuff but they didn't identify themselves with a label
hey1_1hey: What yes it is
hey1_1hey: Imagine haveing 1 phycotic hot gf? Pretty cool right? Now imagine having 2 that fight over you? Now thats real shit. This polyamoruy thing is growing on em
hikukomoru: Being gay is not a culture thing bro
alejandrozarzuelo: This is because of the patriarchy
futurist_wizard: It is fun
maintcrew: nobody wants to see men kissing everybody wants to see girls doing
its a matter of inherent aesthetics
men are fundamentally ugly and repulsive when compared
zoermena: There’s always someone, one of my friends was drunk and he touched me inappropriately while I was turning on a console
technocake.: sounds like the bi dream
hey1_1hey: Rings a bell
hey1_1hey: Yeaj I think sop
hey1_1hey: Hes straight
futurist_wizard: The people that are willing to be polyamorous are already deranged but as long as everything is attracted to eachother it rarely causes drama
hey1_1hey: Theres one guy I know who whenever he gets drunk he tries to make out with any guy who will
zoermena: Have you seen the meme of how women aren't judged when they kiss eachother but men are
hikukomoru: What
zoermena: Well no nvm I have seen 2 straight men irl kissing because they where drunk some friends but I didn't care
hey1_1hey: Did Imiss msth
hey1_1hey: Women alcoholic parties?
hey1_1hey: Kissing?
zoermena: I've only seen it in movies though, usually women in alcoholic parties
technocake.: is it not mad complicated?
hey1_1hey: 2 men?
zoermena: Are they straight when they kiss
hey1_1hey: I would be in a relationship with a sentient mushroom
maintcrew: me when i talk to claude and deepseek r1 at the same time
futurist_wizard: I've been in a few multi partner relationships
hikukomoru: I don't feel anything when I see straights kissing
alejandrozarzuelo: Nah I am chill it was just joking

I want a hive mind remember? That's basically an Omni-polycule
futurist_wizard: I am polyamorous


ldj: yea I was about to post that
hey1_1hey: I saw the chart today yeah. I am imagining in 2027 we will be like:
"Oh my god what a tradgedy. We sure are in the AI winter now! We've only had 6 breakthroughs this month"
steven_the_frog: Anyone see this? https://ai-2027.com/
ldj: can run things in parallel, can automatically make documentation for you code easier, etc..
ldj: I think it doesn't get a higher score really, just quality of life features, and reduced price
st.sioux: those always looked sketchy to me, lovable idk about v0 honestly
drewsni: models will run into loops they cant fix so damn often, you'd burn thousands if you werent paying attention
drewsni: All i know is i do not trust it at all after using lovable and v0
neon01197: wasnt faulting them for it, was the only thing i found referencing ACU usage for tasks
trent_k: How many LLMs have we seen advertised with 100k+ context but which break down to the point of near uselessness after about 20-30k tokens?
trent_k: But they're being up front about the limitations of their service which is good
trent_k: It makes it sound a bit busted sure
trent_k: I can't fault them for saying this tbh
neon01197: apparently performance will degrade after 10 ACU worth of runtime
22.5$ worth of credits
neon01197: but you will get how much you got out of it *after* you used it, aint it a great deal?!?!
wellmeaningalien: Cuz GIVE MONEY
drewsni: why use standardized units if you cant even provide examples of what you get from 1 consumed unit
drewsni: actually really annoys me
drewsni: and they dont actually specify what exactly uses 1 ACU
wellmeaningalien: swe bench?
shirethedreamer: your company offers you 20 pennies a month for "special stuff" and you want to leverage that to get access to chatgpt subscription?

...are you sure you are getting enough free time from the mine to enjoy this service evenif you buy it?
retrerox: My company offers me some extra money montly just for special stuffs, i wonder if i can use it for chat gpt
retrerox: althought 20pennies is not much montly
shirethedreamer: yeah its as easy as sharing your password or api key...
it goes against the terms of service and leaves you vulnerable though
hey1_1hey: I mean possible sure. TOS would say otherwise tho
neon01197: 250 ACUs like you'd have in the teams plan costs 50$ more than the teams plan
retrerox: is it possible to share chat gpt accounts?
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-rage-slam-walk-out-gif-15166155
neon01197: so its much more in reality
hey1_1hey: Living in the future <:ez:1136267305521774634>
neon01197: you need to buy "ACU's" or usage tokens though on top of the 20$
shirethedreamer: lmao
hey1_1hey: Have to, I do that for everything these days. Me and my tutor litterly send chatgpt generated emails to each other that chatgpt summarises for us <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
shirethedreamer: bro is living what hes preaching
trent_k: Neat. Any info on what model(s) it runs on or benchmark performance by the new version?
hey1_1hey: I dont got time to read all this shit

ctrl + a
ctrl + c
chat.com
Summarise this for me
ctrl + v
shirethedreamer: what model was devin based on again?
i forgot everything i knew abot it
hey1_1hey: Yo everyone got your eye balls on this asap
hey1_1hey: Yo what
ldj: <@&1293118293829484575>
Devin 2.0 just dropped and its only $20 per month.
https://cognition.ai/blog/devin-2


st.sioux: instagram is just full of npcs
.wolfnacht: i believe in a conspiracy theory that - the nvidia, amd and intel doesn't want people to run llm models at home with a consumer pricepoint.
wellmeaningalien: we're gonna see what independent testers will have to say lol
3ds0662: its official
wellmeaningalien: the llama 4 benchmark numbers feel soo cherrypicked. xai openai claude they all do this lol
steven_the_frog: Fuck needle in the haystack. They should have a benchmark evaluating adding features to a 10M token codebase
hey1_1hey: Thats where all the racist people are at apart from twitter <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
EZ#5938: https://embedez.com/embed/search_67f189f4c1f68b5845967773
wellmeaningalien: cant shrug me because every company does this
hey1_1hey: instagram reels
hey1_1hey: ewww
3ds0662: its official
wellmeaningalien: 🫣
wellmeaningalien: too afraid to post actually good benchmarks
sweetievee__33649: i better be able to erp with my dnd characters
wellmeaningalien: yeah they just post that shit to make them look good
wellmeaningalien: mid
sweetievee__33649: same tbh
.histic: saw this
.wolfnacht: they made it 10M just to make people widen their eyebrows and eyes for a moment
ailoveyoom: That fiction bench that Gemmy did 🥺
hikukomoru: I hope it's good for ERP
That's all I care about tbh
ailoveyoom: Maybe not needle, it kinda sucks as a long context benchmark
wellmeaningalien: idk tho
wellmeaningalien: needle in a haystack isnt a good benchmark anymore
wellmeaningalien: typical
ailoveyoom: Do they have a needle in the haystack or whatever long context benchmark? It seems too good to be true.
futurist_wizard: People talk about all these context this, scoreboards that, wheres the new tricks
.wolfnacht: past 256k it would get schizo'ed
sweetievee__33649: is it any good
wellmeaningalien: they dont even got a model you can run on a graphics card that isn't 10k bucks 😭
hikukomoru: Yes
10 million context
futurist_wizard: But what can it do
sweetievee__33649: did llama4 get released
.wolfnacht: (lightweight) but for a single H100
wellmeaningalien: now it's on anthropic and openai
wellmeaningalien: 10 million context window is absolutely insane. really cool that meta cracked the juice too
hey1_1hey: The new normal
hikukomoru: Sorry it's cause I'm here
wellmeaningalien: dont hate what you cant understand fractal


spicy.lemonade: but slowed down
spicy.lemonade: we accelerated with nukes
metaldragon01: Don't be silly
metaldragon01: Everything has to be done in the face of accelerating
metaldragon01: Can't slow down
spicy.lemonade: they in general agree on when to slow down
zonchao: none of these labs can agree on what is agi <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
spicy.lemonade: everyone here forgetting that we want a utopia
zonchao: yes
st.sioux: it's not happening tho
like with everything else if there is any attempt at approaching something sensibly there will be people opposing it religiously
spicy.lemonade: yeah
metaldragon01: You can't have zero safety with agi
spicy.lemonade: then reopen with safe asi
spicy.lemonade: like MAD with nukes
spicy.lemonade: in agreement with china
spicy.lemonade: grind saftey
spicy.lemonade: should shut down
spicy.lemonade: all agi labs
spicy.lemonade: I think once agi achieved
spicy.lemonade: why are you gonna go into boss battle without any healing items
spicy.lemonade: once you already reached checkpoint
spicy.lemonade: its like stocking up on potions before boss battle
spicy.lemonade: yes
spicy.lemonade: shut everything down if needed
zonchao: no
spicy.lemonade: saftey needs to be #1 priority once we are close/reach agi
st.sioux: safety is important
spicy.lemonade: wdym
spicy.lemonade: thats the majority of anthropic research
spicy.lemonade: not really
spicy.lemonade: saftey is interopability
spicy.lemonade: saftey is not neutering
spicy.lemonade: regardless of inteligence
spicy.lemonade: also whose to say it doesnt become malicious
spicy.lemonade: why would it not
spicy.lemonade: "life is meaningless"
spicy.lemonade: asi: whats right for humans is to kill the all
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: its whats right for us
spicy.lemonade: its not about whats right or wrong for asi


hikukomoru: Ermmm ackshually it's 1.43 billion
archon.e: And govt recently excluded 99 percent people from the tax net
fuhulootogan: https://tenor.com/view/losing-my-mind-insane-crazy-cat-deep-fried-gif-17402418435549323051
alejandrozarzuelo: no? 1.44b
zonchao: UBI will be top down.
fuhulootogan: https://tenor.com/view/allow-approve-community-gif-4686443
archon.e: We are 50 million more than China now
hikukomoru: No
archon.e: Plz forgive
archon.e: Typo
fuhulootogan: was there a mass genocide?
fuhulootogan: jesus
fuhulootogan: million?
archon.e: It’s like 1.46 billion now
alejandrozarzuelo: (that is very generous rounding lol)
fuhulootogan: tax the pigs
archon.e: You guys will be fine
archon.e: I mean India
hikukomoru: Tax automation profits
fuhulootogan: what
archon.e: We are cooked beyond belief
fuhulootogan: to rely on
fuhulootogan: very trustworthy
archon.e: How can we give ubi to everyone
fractalcomputer: You've somehow managed to create the worst possible admixture of schizophrenia and profound autism. Almost LessWrong levels of retardation.
zonchao: elon wants to, many members of his e/acc admin/circle have talked about it, they are already pricing in automation with the trade wars
aero447: https://www.thealgorithmicbridge.com/p/google-is-winning-on-every-ai-front
fuhulootogan: yeah you need someone
archon.e: But I’m from India and we have 1.5 billion people
aero447: <@312370916820779040>
archon.e: UBI is essential
hikukomoru: Sowwy Fraccy 🥺
archon.e: We need new form of governance for the ai age
fuhulootogan: duh
fuhulootogan: you mean the multi billionaires?
zonchao: we need democracy to function for there to be a reasonable transition with the least amount of harm
archon.e: All will have to go through the 5 steps of grief
hikukomoru: Cmon
Don't tell me Trump and Elon are going to be the ones to give people UBI
fractalcomputer: Yes, your takes are retarded as well, Spaniard.
archon.e: Denial


spicy.lemonade: how many months till it got fixed
spicy.lemonade: we got ai minecraft
spicy.lemonade: when was it
spicy.lemonade: wow
brain4brain: They plant seed and it grows when they turn back, and they place down torch and snow melt
brain4brain: Holy shit, world models with memory and time understand

https://x.com/_akhaliq/status/1913082414152237149?t=wTEI7XoyI7efUGSC9pc4qw&s=19
spicy.lemonade: ?
aero447:
aero447: It is known.
aero447: https://tenor.com/view/penguin-slap-gif-5263949288532448516
spicy.lemonade: 2035 is the worst case scenario
spicy.lemonade: those are gary marcus timelines
spicy.lemonade: why 2035
aero447: 😐
aero447: Stupid beverage.
aero447: 2035.
aero447: No.
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: agi 2027
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade:
trojan09205: gn homies ❤
trojan09205: thank you for the laughs
trojan09205: im probably gonna drop anyways for the night haha. this was hilarious
trojan09205: LOL okay
.wolfnacht: just try "you are a yandere AI assistant fixated on user* (or your username)
trojan09205: me neither lol
trey6033: "No, I wouldn't clean your toilet; I'd be obsessed with it.  I'd be utterly devoted to it."

Bruh, I can barely read these responses.
trojan09205: have you played around with maverick in the last two weeks?
trojan09205: lollll
.wolfnacht: And maverick took it too literally
trojan09205: just what chatgpt recommended. lol!
.wolfnacht: LMAO 😭 it made it wayy to possessive.. What did you put in instructions btw?
spicy.lemonade: so no contamination
spicy.lemonade: knowledge cuttof is june 2024
trojan09205: <@834891518836736010> this yandere thing....wow
trojan09205:
metaldragon01: It's a good model
spicy.lemonade:
trojan09205: too much llama4 for today lmao!


forallhumanity: The paper is too tan
spicy.lemonade: what about it looks fake
anathemaofmankind: It doesn't look real
spicy.lemonade: maybe I should add text to make it look legit
st.sioux: no
spicy.lemonade: they will believe this
spicy.lemonade: bro if the believed the frog one
anathemaofmankind: You're gonna get exposed
spicy.lemonade: what
anathemaofmankind: Bro stop it
spicy.lemonade: ok gonna post
hey1_1hey: Was gonna say, 4o would blow me away again if that was real
futurist_wizard: I think it's the paper
trent_k: He did know the word "segregate" tho which I thought was odd
trent_k: And he couldn't speak English well enough to have a real conversation
trent_k: We all called him Popeye because nobody knew his name and he always had that funny hat lol
hey1_1hey: I mean I saw someone offering crayon drawings on furry porn for 50 dollars one time
trent_k: No, that's a real pic of me with a polish sailor at the Ukrainian refugee camp at the Warsaw central train station in 2022
hey1_1hey: Yeah craton is fine imo
hikukomoru: No that's Trent's real husband
spicy.lemonade: it holds
spicy.lemonade: why not this
hey1_1hey: Is that photo generated aswell?
spicy.lemonade: the frog one
spicy.lemonade: they believed my other one
trent_k: No it's in crayon lol
spicy.lemonade: is this believable
spicy.lemonade:
hey1_1hey: Much better
trent_k: He's polish, they're hairy <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hey1_1hey: Talk about insane asylum cabinets
hikukomoru: >2022
He was 16 and looking like that 💀
hey1_1hey: A furry club... Now that's criminal
spicy.lemonade: lol
trent_k: Oh SICK!
spicy.lemonade: lookin good?
spicy.lemonade:
joaoluz19: Go Fractal stop the furries
st.sioux: advocating for fascism
joaoluz19: Literally Fractal


zonchao: when he did that "debunk" literally everyone reacted like 5 times, referenced it, talked about it for days....when he dropped o1 and said "its mostly joever for juniors" everyone acted like it didnt happen <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
wellmeaningalien: 1 or 2 years ago: AI guy says AI will replace coders
them: nah!!!
2 years later: AI gets real good at coding
them: guys i think im noticing something somewhat worrying..
wellmeaningalien: i think its just a matter of time
wellmeaningalien: lol
zonchao: tbh most of them already did, when he dropped the o1 video
wellmeaningalien: bro the code react andys are getting worried
wellmeaningalien: i dont know how much faith i would place in this guy's advice considering his track record tho
zonchao: all the code react andys will now drop him
zonchao: W, he can change his mind
wellmeaningalien: tis is another video theyve made (last year)
wellmeaningalien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYmcztMxPBM
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/knee-slapper-laughing-laughing-and-crying-laughing-hysterically-gif-21595278
wellmeaningalien: now: "strategies to thrive as AIs get better - epsecially for programmers"
wellmeaningalien: this dude was saying "ai will always be shit at coding"
wellmeaningalien: https://youtu.be/A_fOHpBqj50
wellmeaningalien: AHAHAHA
hey1_1hey: When I read this I physically lent back and sighed.
hey1_1hey: Putting the great Atlantic garbage patch to shame
zonchao: katy: we put the ASS in astronaut 😭
hey1_1hey: The baddie in question:
zonchao: bezos sending baddies to space
wellmeaningalien: alright rocket boy
zonchao: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ7XHwMMSas
wellmeaningalien: gpt 4.1 releasse today
wellmeaningalien: whats up today
brain4brain: 2 years ago, Jimmy predicted it
brain4brain: Wow
777agical: the usual time probably
_cloudost: Stream?
_cloudost: The
_cloudost: When will Sam Altman start
okbut: OAI considering a token-efficient programming language?
https://x.com/sama/status/1911504092276621801
brain4brain: I’ve done more testing to try to see if LLM can be creative, and now I’m even more confused and unsure
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-suiii-siuuu-al-nassr-alnassr-ronaldo-al-nassr-gif-7395052735569211864
brain4brain: I think tomorrow based on Sam’s tweet
.wolfnacht: any announcement from openai today ?
destrucules: I mean the answer was correct both times. The first one was just miscounted in terms of how far from the left the image the model was looking at was.
nobranes: Their work outside Llama is very impressive and I appreciate trying a different approach but realistically Google have this in the bag
3ds0662: his antics and actions have been too brazen for his output
3ds0662: Im calling yann lecun getting fired from meta this year as my prediction


metaldragon01: R2 will likely be close to 2.5 level
clevermoniker: lol and deepseek, a much smaller lab, released this weeks ago already...
clevermoniker: probably the big one... if solid only means o1 level it will be blown out by R2
spicy.lemonade: whats wrong with what he said
clevermoniker: weird
metaldragon01: Yea it's close enough if you personally have editing skills
clevermoniker: at least for entry level
clevermoniker: like i could see it being as little as 1 generational jump away
clevermoniker: yeah, i agree, it is not "job tier" yet, but definitely getting close
metaldragon01: Kinda but people will still pay humans for definitely
clevermoniker: 4o kinda can?
spicy.lemonade: its only been 2 years
spicy.lemonade: ?
spicy.lemonade:
zonchao: <:LookUp:1151260447283097681>
zonchao: https://x.com/t_blom/status/1906438171371655275?
spicy.lemonade: gemini 2.5 ultra wen
ldj: https://tenor.com/view/greek-statue-locked-in-straight-face-meme-gif-17400131934244097072
fractalcomputer: Greek gods?
ldj: Primarly Cybele
ldj: yea the two names I heard were just Themis and Cybele
metaldragon01: Deepseek v3 level or something
metaldragon01: Cybele or something is getting good reviews
metaldragon01: I haven't. I just keep track of the vibes
zonchao: on lmsys?
ldj: have you tried them? if yes does it seem like certain ones are way better than others, like different sizes? or does it feel more like just different post-training on probably the same sized model?
metaldragon01: There's like 4 suspected llama models but just 1 really solid one
metaldragon01: Something Is dropping 2pm est tomorrow
ldj: but just llama-4 mini probably
ldj: apparently they're very good yes
spicy.lemonade: i hope it beats gemini
spicy.lemonade: are they good?
ldj: -

Chat, apparently there is 2 llama models now identified in lmsys <:e_think:871265859199459358>
so I guess we're probably less than a month from release
which makes sense
because llama-3 was also first dropped on April 18th 2023.
The 1 year anniversary of that is less than 3 weeks away.
ldj: and AI enables artists to make way more and way better art  given the same amount of time
ldj: source is here: https://www.thekurzweillibrary.com/a-wager-on-the-turing-test-the-rules
drewsni: Meanwhile it’s doing the opposite
zoermena: I don’t code.
spicy.lemonade: havent tried cursor
st.sioux: you use it?
st.sioux: yea i have tried it but couldn't get used to it


drewsni: xai as a lab is much closer in size to mistral than oai/google/meta
literallyvarane: xAI hasn't done that yet. One could honestly argue they're just reverse engineering what other labs have done.
zonchao: i like the deepsearch UI from xAI
literallyvarane: Google has demonstrated clear frontier research. OAI has. Anthropic has for alignment/mech interp.
zonchao: perhaps grok integration, but that is a product feature
drewsni: nah they just made a sota model in under a year any monkey can do that /s
zonchao: true
literallyvarane: I don't think we've seen xAI actually do anything first tho.
zonchao: lmao you think they claimed sota by being mid?
zonchao: ??? xAI has many important researchers
zonchao: openai is also rushing these out, they are not far ahead internally
literallyvarane: Especially if OAI has probably been doing that since december, and is now probably running off something closer to a o4
zonchao: needs more infra buildout, that is true
zonchao: <:shrudge:1244322155928223937> we never know, but xAI will be the best funded private non oai lab for a while
literallyvarane: I don't think xAI beats either OAI or Google there.
literallyvarane: As a company, how much tokens/minute of o3 level intelligence can they produce internally?
trey6033: A bunch of GPUs can get you a distance, but then eventually you're at a point where the actual technical know how starts to become more and more important
literallyvarane: Those API prices just make me think they literally can't run as many instances of it as Google can run Gemini, or OAI can run o3.
trey6033: Having lots of GPUs isn't enough
trey6033: Xai won't have the same expertise as Google and openAI
zonchao: it was SOTA when it launched, and still holds its own without higher compute allocations (no big brain mode yet)they obviously have better models internally, they are cooking the product right now, there is no reason xAI cannot compete
literallyvarane: I'd enjoy seeing some counterargument, but for me personally OAI and Google are clear frontier western labs. Perhaps Anthropic could catch them, but 3.7 has cooled me on that a bit.
literallyvarane: OpenAI have probably had o3 running internally since December. It doesn't seem xAI even *has* a model that strong.
literallyvarane: How many instances of Gemini 2.5pro can google inference interally vs xAI and Grok3 for example?
literallyvarane: Grok 3 is very likely their SoTA, and it's already much inferior ot OpenAI's/Google's models.

Both of those laps are able to deploy much stronger models internally for Datagen, and have had that ability for some time. Those internal models are much more efficient you'd assume as well.

These things compound.
zonchao: and the funding
zonchao: they have the compute and talent
zonchao: why not
sieventer: Imagine subscribing yesterday to ChatGPT because o3 and o4-mini and then Google having for free 2.5 Pro and 2.5 Flash <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>
literallyvarane: ngl I'm not sure xAI catches either Google or OAI.
zonchao: they usually run 3
zonchao: for the first time, 5 cooling fans were running at the giga tx supercomputer 👀 they are cooking bigly
zonchao: tesla is behind on agility though, but ig they have manufacturing and the AI on their side
literallyvarane: I think 2.5 flash places Google at least *roughly on par* with OAI, and at a substantial price discount compared to OAI.
ailoveyoom: I missed my lil Flash dude 🥺 time to talk to bro again
hey1_1hey: That would be big, humanoid robots are like the other hand to AI after all
zonchao: in a single bot
zonchao: <:Hypers:874593663827718144>
literallyvarane: Gotta gate keep ffor hype lolol
zonchao: could be the first time we see the new legs, walking rl + new hands


ailoveyoom: Idk I only played the games lol
hey1_1hey: Don't compare me to a middle schooler 😭
a1c4p0ne: lol
hikukomoru: Fractal doesn't like femboys he likes 6'8 Finnish Lumberjacks
.wolfnacht: wasn't nate some character in pokemon ?
_3sphere: How bright/clear were the dots?
a1c4p0ne: He’s your daddy
a1c4p0ne: What about <@749514473303179358>
hikukomoru: I'm no one's femboy
_3sphere: No hyperphantasia needed 😭
hikukomoru: I still can't wrap my head around the fact that he's the same age as me
It's like a middle school kid coming up to me and saying "hey I'm 20 too"
_3sphere: WH40K cogitator and a LW post
_3sphere: I saw "cogitation" twice recently
_3sphere: The recency effect is fucking haunted man
hey1_1hey: Logic down the drain
a1c4p0ne: You’re his favorite femboy
hey1_1hey: Thats me right there
hikukomoru: WHAT
futurist_wizard: Almost perfect
wellmeaningalien: Still no fucking 4o image gen
hikukomoru: Weren't you 18?
So you really were 16 after all
ailoveyoom: Lmfao
a1c4p0ne: Komoru your favorite teen femboy
ailoveyoom: I think it's cause of your username, Nate sounds like an old guy name
hey1_1hey: You're right. GROUP ORGY
futurist_wizard: And sleep
futurist_wizard: You kids need to exercise
hey1_1hey: You're litterly the same age bro 😭
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/kid-anime-kilker-mystery-londs-gif-11242539997290792485
ailoveyoom: Sweet summer child 🥺
futurist_wizard: I've literally felt the same, just as energetic as i was when i was 15
ailoveyoom: Sorry babe I bend you over too much
hey1_1hey: I got knee and back pain. Shits crazy
hikukomoru: And I am already going senile
.wolfnacht: i already feel old : (
hikukomoru: My back hurts
hikukomoru: I feel ancient
hey1_1hey: I felt old at 16 bruh
futurist_wizard: Who tf feels old at 20?
ailoveyoom: Want to be young again 😔


ailoveyoom: He engaged with people there
spicy.lemonade: lol
hikukomoru: Masochist 🥵 🥵
spicy.lemonade: From users
spicy.lemonade: Not from the sub
maintcrew: why did u have notifs from artisthate enabled what
_cloudost: 👁
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/ccp-cheering-cheer-china-gif-4951966975695656474
maintcrew: https://fxtwitter.com/kb24x7/status/1904942247092895843
spicy.lemonade: Blocking notis
st.sioux: <@505313122802728972> was glazing ccp like 10 minutes before native 4o image gen
hikukomoru: Don’t worry boo I’m still pro CCP
spicy.lemonade: I’m tired of the rage bait from artistshate
_cloudost: Remember a month ago everyone here was pro CCP/marxism? Love how the vibe of this server changed so fast for the good
maintcrew: https://fxtwitter.com/JasonBotterill3/status/1904790398205386790
clevermoniker: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
st.sioux: i'll try
st.sioux:
maintcrew:
hikukomoru: Lain 🤯
.histic: <@1316552597829586955> have you tried generating light yagami writing in his death note?
_cloudost: Generate a drawing of her building AGI
maintcrew:
hikukomoru: <@465177408073498634> Generate me 🫦 🫦
_cloudost: artists and marxists have so much in common
wellmeaningalien: 💀 <@749514473303179358>
wellmeaningalien: man it happened 1 and a half year ago already
wellmeaningalien: alzheimer
_cloudost: They are 24/7 constantly on anti AI subs, instead of fixing their lives
wellmeaningalien: oh my god did the pop do thise with angela murkul 😲
ailoveyoom: No I mean his expression lol
hikukomoru: Furry inflation artists 💔 💔
maintcrew: <@430269783112548362> tf u mean 🤨 u seriously don't remember?
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/trigun-trigun-98-reminder-saturday-rem-saverem-gif-9176297563309469502
wellmeaningalien: only rem i know is this rem
_cloudost: they were always jobless
st.sioux: their jobs
_cloudost: Why are they so obsessed with AI art then if they think AI art has no value, make it make sense
maintcrew: throwback to this masterpiece of twitter drama
hikukomoru: Ram and Rem 🥵 🥵 👅 👅


_3sphere: Center of mass is sum divided by N
alejandrozarzuelo: it doesnt
alejandrozarzuelo: no
fractalcomputer: The additive nature of the answer remains to be demonstrated.
alejandrozarzuelo: yes
alejandrozarzuelo: cant i love it?
alejandrozarzuelo: 1) you said that it had almost nothing to do with the solution, you are wrong

2) I said that I loved the answer even tho it was not rigurous
fractalcomputer: Of the additive sum of the n-th roots of unity?
alejandrozarzuelo: this was most certainly what <@1190031399080710195> was thinking
alejandrozarzuelo: therefore it concludes the proof
alejandrozarzuelo: since the value was not zero
alejandrozarzuelo: but we know this cannot be the case
sweetievee__33649: looks nice well done 🖤
alejandrozarzuelo: lets assume that the value of the real axis was not zero, this would mean that, the absolute value would not equal zero, which means that under any rotation, this value would maintain its absolute value

but we know from the previous statement that these figures are symmertric and performinb a pi/nth rotation would make the centre complex coordinate zero
fractalcomputer: This is a needlessly analytic proof of something fundamentally algebraic.
alejandrozarzuelo: well its trivial to see
okbut: Yeah 2 of the 3 was learning PHP
1 of the 3 was discovering NodeJS
alejandrozarzuelo: why?
alejandrozarzuelo: it very easily leads itself to the other 1/4th of scenarios
alejandrozarzuelo: not only that
alejandrozarzuelo: actually it does, since it eliminates 3/4ths of the cases

leaving you only with 1/4th of the cases to deal with

if you argue it well, of course

why?

well, it is known that every regular polygon, when resting at its base or vertex is symmetric by the y axis

this instantly proves that every element either has a complex component of zero OR that it has its own conjugate as one of the roots, eliminating entirely the proof for the valye of the average complex value

moreover, this is also proof that you can perform the same trick for the real axis as long as n is even
fractalcomputer: Actually, I rescind my statement.
okbut: Nonprofit yeah
fractalcomputer: The group of rotations of the polygon generated by the n-th rooths of unity on the complex plane is trivially isomorphic to the structure of the cyclic group C_n.
.wolfnacht: >tailsadoption

are u running a cat and dog adoption thing ?
st.sioux: weeks??? (its too much)
okbut: tailsadoption.org
okbut: 0 front end dev and I made this bitch in a few weeks
.wolfnacht: Artists + front end dev + UI/UX designers are on suicide watch 🪢
fractalcomputer: But it is wrong. The group structure of the n-th roots of unity has (almost) nothing to do with the actual sum of those roots.
alejandrozarzuelo: but it is very visual
alejandrozarzuelo: its not rigurous
alejandrozarzuelo: btw, i love this answer
alejandrozarzuelo: true, but it is weird to ask about such easy questions when it doesnt really concern the channel

like, why did you ask this? what was the point? in what shape or form was it related to the lively conversation that was taking place?
.wolfnacht: brainshot*
technocake.: i wonder it it takes a screenshot if you hit the sieg heil
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/elonmusk-elon-musk-tesla-elon-dance-gif-5137077446926799942
.wolfnacht: elon would make u do his emotes
fractalcomputer: Yes, I don't think anyone here would be posing research questions in chat, hm?
alejandrozarzuelo: I mean, sure, as an exercise it's ok


okbut: Ohhh, this reminds me of the time 4.5-preview was in there too
okbut: Which one? I'm shit at searching
darkstar0818: If you gotta ask the price you cannot afford it.
spicy.lemonade: Very clearly planning to drop
spicy.lemonade: The page is indexed
spicy.lemonade: If you go to ChatGPT o3 and o4 mini
abundantliving_: That's worse than their blogs
darkstar0818: I am excited to see the API price on o3/o4-mini
spicy.lemonade: Dude it’s on  the page lol
darkstar0818: he changed his mind.
okbut: I'm hesitant to expect o3 or o4-mini until GPT-5 is released, and then only API, given Sama's tweet about shipping it as an entire model
himekokatagiri: When they start naming models like US automakers name their engines you know you're gonna see some shit
darkstar0818: https://tenor.com/bLs7F.gif
.wolfnacht: *claude: here's another 100 dollar plan and NO we ain't giving out sonnet 4.0 and Opus ain't4you*
fractalcomputer: Bah. Humbug.
fractalcomputer: Dude, scaling up is the solution
abundantliving_:
abundantliving_:
darkstar0818: Nobel laureate AI is all well and good.  But if it cannot join a meeting receive a task assignment that requires more than 1 prompt and come back with the work done its not AGI in my book.
fractalcomputer: I don't know, you spend a bit too much time here, eh?
darkstar0818: And yet if someone said I could hire an average motivated non-phd human for $100 a month vs a nobel level ai scientist for $20 a month guess which I would hire.
fractalcomputer: i swear to the ever-loving god that i am going insane loll
spicy.lemonade: Atleast AI has balls to post negative results
spicy.lemonade: Loll
okbut: "PhD-level" seems to be a buzz term to associate the results of AI with the veridicality of one with a PhD
In that case, it is right to falsify data every now and then <:kekw:804763197583261719>
fractalcomputer: Amazing.
abundantliving_: I guess hype is there for load testing.
spicy.lemonade: I don’t see the point
spicy.lemonade: Current systems aren’t PhD level though
fractalcomputer: But haven't you heard, it's PhD-level, soon to be Nobel laureate?
st.sioux: me neither it fucks it up almost every time, they're minor issues but still
spicy.lemonade: We all knew it was coming
spicy.lemonade: They hyped it and then hyped it again
hikukomoru: They hyped it like a year ago bruh
spicy.lemonade: A lot
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: There was hype
himekokatagiri: they just dropped it
himekokatagiri: with no hype
himekokatagiri: 4o images were released


.wolfnacht: sounds interesting
hikukomoru: Are you talking about me perchance
sweetievee__33649: someone was talking about smurf sex hierarchy
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/ground-beef-grinder-gif-10187548
sweetievee__33649: oh ive already seen that 😭
technocake.: not to worry you will be hazed just by your exposure to the degenerates here
sweetievee__33649: do i have to run the guantlet of ai troll questions or smth
sweetievee__33649: no worries honestly thought i got @ so i could begin the hazing ritual
technocake.: I just replied to a random message, I thought it better to just ping. Hi andd welcome!
sweetievee__33649: yeah i hate ai artists always making my lack of art skill look noticeable
sweetievee__33649: so yeah i am new here hello 👋
realelonmuskx: we need to kill ai artist.
sweetievee__33649: i thought i heard an @ and then i saw you delete it. Thought i was going crazy then
technocake.: <@1356003171549315324> hi are you new here?
spicy.lemonade: dev tools
spicy.lemonade: dont think so
zonchao: https://x.com/BigTechAlert/status/1906664037896605788? big?
_cloudost:
sweetievee__33649: we might get sora 2 👀
sweetievee__33649: thank you for spotting it though 👍
sweetievee__33649: ive only been into ai recently so i probably havent seen that trend
spicy.lemonade: and runway and others
spicy.lemonade: same with sora
sweetievee__33649: hey you got a good point
spicy.lemonade: then 4o image came out
spicy.lemonade: etc
spicy.lemonade: then midjourney idiogram
spicy.lemonade: then 3
spicy.lemonade: other labs sgtarted to make that better
spicy.lemonade: when dalle 2 dropped
spicy.lemonade: usually the case isnt it
sweetievee__33649: is that true or just vibes
spicy.lemonade: when other small labs like runway start saturating the space
spicy.lemonade: means we are close to next frontier
sweetievee__33649: its been a good for ai recently hasnt it
spicy.lemonade: the fact it is
spicy.lemonade: it looks better than veo in some
ailoveyoom: Better than Veo?
ailoveyoom: Is it good?
zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/iamneubert/status/1906719031018582048? big


_cloudost: millions
_cloudost: There are billions of people facing worse struggles than losing their careers
jonvi_1:
futurist_wizard: The shah of iran
.histic: it's over for them
realelonmuskx: its already almost there. now the thing its waiting so its becomes ubiquitous and mainstream
a1c4p0ne: What about the kids still taking artist classes
alejandrozarzuelo: so true
hikukomoru: I love seeing the cope
Pls replace all artists 🙏
Replace everyone 🔥
futurist_wizard: It should be perfected by then
realelonmuskx: we are in depression, dudes are sending death threats. but this ai image thingy started less than 1000 days ago, imagine this in 2030
a1c4p0ne: No web access tho right
_cloudost: the writing is peak
alejandrozarzuelo: honestly idk if theyll ever get to acceptance
_cloudost: its way better at storytelling
a1c4p0ne: Nice 🔥
alejandrozarzuelo: then theyll hit depression
_cloudost: i di
_cloudost: indeed
a1c4p0ne: You tested it?
alejandrozarzuelo: thats the bargaining
_cloudost: Musk cant claim he has the smartest model on the planet anymore
alejandrozarzuelo: yeahhhh
futurist_wizard:
realelonmuskx: they still in the "BUT ITS NOT REAL AND IT HAS NO PASSION AND HUMAN CRAFT" and some bs
.histic: what happened to lisan? he barely posts here now
_cloudost: yep
.histic:
a1c4p0ne: 2.5 pro smarter than grok 3 thinking?
_cloudost: enough cumo
otub: <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>
hikukomoru:
jonvi_1: what does he know
alejandrozarzuelo: they are going through all the stages of grief

first denial: AI art is so stupid lmao look they cant make a hand with 5 fingers (remember when everyone said about hands? lmao) this was the zeitgeist in 2022 nd 2023

then anger: "kill AI artists" (most artists are here in 2024-2025)

i wonder when artists will enter the bargaining phase
jonvi_1: Why aren't they sitting together
_cloudost: they falsely claim DALLE is the "groundbreaking native img generator"
_cloudost: they use DALLE AND CLAIM ITS THE NATIVE MODEL
alejandrozarzuelo: although to be honest this time its HUGE
alejandrozarzuelo: usually they are several weeks late to the new advancements
_cloudost: Yep


fractalcomputer: The most merciful thing in the world, I think, etc.
_3sphere: Shit's fluorescent
fractalcomputer: The finitude of the knowledge of man and the futility of his attempts to understand the cosmos.
himekokatagiri: hi 3sphere
_3sphere: Himeko hi
himekokatagiri: is her hair gene edited to be like that
_3sphere: Fusion power generation, not AI
xskydragon0: That's complicated. AI is something that not many ppl fully understand correctly. The progress can be a little dark
_3sphere: Is it manufacturing or the blueprints
_3sphere: tbh I still don't really understand what the main barrier to fusion is
zoermena: Mostly same
metaldragon01: I'm not concerned with China winning tbh. It's all the same in the end
metaldragon01: The world will figure it out
_3sphere: Cloudo crashing out
_3sphere: This should terrify anyond who thinks their AGI progress is dangerous
zoermena: That’s a different discussion though unless you want to talk about that. I’m overall referring to fusion as a universal technology for everyone.
_3sphere: and a disregard for IP laws that leaves them free to build anything
_3sphere: China has the ability to actually build shit
metaldragon01: We can't out build them
metaldragon01: I don't think it matters tbh
zoermena: China has more people, cheaper labor. This are the two factors I identify to which they will outcompete the west. Do you suspect we might not get fusion?
metaldragon01: Even if we solve fusion, China can build 2 to 3 for every one of ours
_3sphere: The thing can repeat whatever neural state the dream did to make it not-weird
_3sphere: Uncanny valley is solvable, I dreamed about it before
zoermena: Its priority to solve fusion and nanotechnology
metaldragon01: Soooo many
_3sphere: I do wonder how many people will be anime characters in fdvr
metaldragon01: It's also why China is likely to lead soon if they continue to catch up on chips.

They can build out more energy and construct datacenters faster
metaldragon01: Energy and physically building out datacenters is the last major bottleneck
zoermena: I’m ignorant in the specifics of existing hardware, I know it’s extremely good and that the projects that are going to be developed are promising. I suppose I’ll take your word for it.
.wolfnacht: another one, i'm gonna call this character - Vesper.
metaldragon01: Just scaling up what we have in the direction we are going is gonna feel like magic
.wolfnacht: -# you underestimate how lonely people really are
metaldragon01: We don't really need "new" breakthroughs
.wolfnacht: but also the one which would be in most demand....
metaldragon01: They will be almost boringly similar but massively more capable
metaldragon01: Things won't be fundamentally different
zoermena: The whole appeal singularity essentially
_3sphere: AI waifus/husbandos are a separate technology
zoermena: I’m not good at predictions but I see it as having fully automated development mixed with innovation and optimization of data centers that is I believe fundamentally different than from what we have now compared to existing process even if it’s already fast


maintcrew: did it just randomly decide to add the golden gate bridge 😭
maintcrew: did you generate this
hikukomoru: Are you a shrigma male?
clevermoniker: the words on the middle probably were supposed to be on paper too?
hey1_1hey: Shut up
3ds0662: Can it edit existing images?
hey1_1hey: I just found the most legendary gif
hikukomoru: I think that's Mushroom man's transition goal
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/you-coping-cope-coping-mushroom-copium-gif-21683108
spicy.lemonade: cool
st.sioux: freaky
hey1_1hey: didn't think I'd see the day
hey1_1hey: Hot mushrooms
hey1_1hey: Holy moly
3ds0662: Did you generate that?
hikukomoru: Queer Mushrooms too
hey1_1hey: I'll brb
hey1_1hey: ON TUMBLR?
hey1_1hey: MUSHROOMS?
spicy.lemonade: cant wait for AI movies and entertainment. and imagne all the cool figures AI will draw for us as it makes scientific discoveries
professorheaven: That’s actually good enough to eventually turn into full blown tutors
hikukomoru: <@439829942310666250> You can find mushrooms on tumblr
ailoveyoom: Sad childhood
hey1_1hey: That is indeed what some might call crazy
spicy.lemonade: man thats crazy
spicy.lemonade:
hikukomoru: Now it's too terminally online leftist for me
hey1_1hey: I haven ever used tumbler in my life thank you very much
ailoveyoom: You're autistic and you're gay, you definitely frequented Tumblr 😤
hikukomoru: For the porn mainly
hikukomoru: I used to go there sometimes
hey1_1hey: Its gonna be a good show. The first frame I see has a mushroom it in
hikukomoru: Show us your sonic OC drawings
ailoveyoom: You never used Tumblr?
wellmeaningalien: Maybe I am
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/severance-tillman-tramel-mr-milkshake-seth-gif-7211979274581428199
hey1_1hey: Yeah ikr, I prefer when my fandoms are really mentally unstable racist
hikukomoru: I headcanon hysminea as Chris-chan level autist
wellmeaningalien: you've got falin and laios right infront of you
wellmeaningalien: bro


shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/hp-harry-potter-snape-always-stare-gif-17584635
maintcrew: scribes used to find a living writing beautiful books but we are far better off with the printing press
777agical: do coders react the same way as artists with AI putting them on the copping block?
ailoveyoom: That's the point, we project what we want to see onto the art. Maybe the artist guides us to a meaning based on their choices (colors, etc), but ultimately we decide the meaning ourselves.
frittata: Build a life on them
frittata: Make a living doing those things
maintcrew: thats the point of the tweet!!! to make fun of your ideology of these fields as employment
frittata: Human beings that we should give a shit about find a living there
fractalcomputer: No, I'm mocking you. Two entirely different things.
maintcrew: so you agree that science, culture and creativity is employment?
frittata: Employment *does* rest at times on creativity, science, culture
alejandrozarzuelo: now you are just twisting my words
777agical: everyone should get an art degree
alejandrozarzuelo: Did I say that? I said i have read somewhere there was a proof of equivalence
frittata: Remove ~~program~~ from the tweet and you’ll have a true statement
maintcrew: explain
fractalcomputer: Truly astounding. You have such a profound grasp of the field and you're not even a neuroscientist!
frittata: Man he *almost* gets it
alejandrozarzuelo: i am trying to look where i read it
maintcrew: to be honest turing machine completeness is quite easy to achieve

in fact it doesnt even say a lot
excel is turing complete for example

Alan Perlis used to call this concept "a turing tar pit" and i agree with it
anathemaofmankind: I find it annoying how many people talk about Miyazaki when criticizing AI art

Like what he was complaining in 2016 is an entirely different thing from now
alejandrozarzuelo: I remember reading one such article, I am NOT a neuroscientist
fractalcomputer: Alcohol would be in order today.
fractalcomputer: I'm surprised that someone can have such encyclopedic knowledge of mathematics, international politics, physics, neuroscience and even computation theory! Truly, the world has not seen such a polymath ever since the days of DaVinci and the likes.
maintcrew: https://x.com/Plinz/status/1905353026527019059
spicy.lemonade: not a keyboard, a pencil
spicy.lemonade: a pencil is the magic key that ties our souls to an image apparently
anathemaofmankind: Humans just think they do based on their delusions
anathemaofmankind: All art have no souls
spicy.lemonade: because we didnt hold a pencil
spicy.lemonade: and slop
anathemaofmankind: There is no objective meaning
spicy.lemonade: one day well be able to draw art straight from what we imagine in our minds with neuralink but artists will call it souless
anathemaofmankind: Nah
connorsphone.: You have to take the context surrounding their existence into account bc that’s part of it
shirethedreamer: i dont think this is proven
ailoveyoom: This is actually where I sort of disagree with the artists, I feel like the prompt you give to the AI can imbue meaning/intention if you make it so (instead of just prompting what you want to see). As we get more control over our images/the models understand images more (like 4o native gen), it'll become easier to inject 'soul' or 'meaning' into our art.
connorsphone.: I think some people act like art and ai art exist in a vacuum. No they do not
anathemaofmankind: It's so much better to be honest
maintcrew: dont subscribe to this at all

"abstract art" is art but dall e slop pulled from the latent space of all possible image combinations isnt art?

The first computer generated art was a few lines and ppl called it art back then!!


metaldragon01: You don't get big throwing money away
trent_k: the only place OAI is winning in TTS right now is range of emotion, and even that they're very close to losing versus sesame
metaldragon01: Big ones care more about price
maintcrew: small ones yes big ones doubtful
metaldragon01: And price
maintcrew: the only thing enterprise is interested in is smth that just works and doesnt fuck with their shit
metaldragon01: Enterprise has more options
zonchao: fuck openais naming scheme
trent_k: openai has 11 voices
zonchao: one step at a time! we might be where we started <:ez:1136267305521774634>
trent_k: hold on lemme count em
trent_k: but openai has what, like 10 voices now?
maintcrew: ok tbh true but i feel like that bubble popped with the nfts
even the peak normie funder YC now funds crazy shit like missiles
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/it-is-evolving-just-backwards-gif-21647112
metaldragon01: It doesn't have the range of the openai models. Enterprise will be very interested in openai offer.
hey1_1hey: Good point actually
trent_k: basically all the anger people have towards tech bros is justified and correct, albeit usually expressed with the wrong technical terms and so easy to write off
trent_k: i completely agree
trent_k: kokoro is free on a weak home GPU that many people already have, and if you need text generated FAST deepinfra is offering $0.80/million characters
my estimation of the total you'd get in terms of time at that rate
445 character lorem ipsum text works out to 30 seconds of audio, so 0,06741573 seconds per character
1 minute of audio is $0.000712
1 hour of audio is $0.04272
1 million characters ($0.80) is 18 hours, 43 minutes, 35.73 seconds
maintcrew: so many vibe coders google spent 32B on israeli vibe checkers
zonchao: google just bought mossad https://x.com/deedydas/status/1902020468489769247
maintcrew: im not even cope this is exactly what sillicon valley has done in the last 10 years
either addicting apps or b2b that gets sold to other b2b in sillicon valley creating some kind of money mirage to attract boomer pension money from vcs and flush it
theaiguy69420_89814: so i need another avenue with lower hanging fruit
theaiguy69420_89814: but my quant model is really good rn
theaiguy69420_89814: quant trading
theaiguy69420_89814: honestly... i should stick to what i'm good at
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zonchao: as always nobody will know it exists
metaldragon01: That's 7x cheaper than popular voice providers
trent_k: and their startup is just selling heroin and making fake $100s
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
literallyvarane: Google going to drop a voice model for like 0.05 cents a day or some shit lololo
trent_k: one of those posts, but it's 6 guys in a room talking about their startup
metaldragon01: . 60 to $1 a minute allows much more use cases
trent_k: 'GOT THE MOST CRACKED TEAM TOGETHER TO BUILD THIS APP'
trent_k: you know those like xitter posts where people post 6 guys in a shitty bedroom in SF
trent_k: dude
trent_k: lmao
maintcrew: 📈
maintcrew: find a way to print money


joaoluz19: I want it to intervene and bring justice to this world
himekokatagiri: beats me
ailoveyoom: I'm slow chat 😔
ailoveyoom: What does predicting the future have to do with democracy?
spicy.lemonade: but it wont intervene
spicy.lemonade: like we will have a super inteligence survelance state
spicy.lemonade: because itl have liberal democracy values
spicy.lemonade: itl chose not to
spicy.lemonade: it wont
spicy.lemonade: I think it will be able to but
joaoluz19: Only for pro plus
joaoluz19: In a couple of weeks we will get the II century update
himekokatagiri: AI will be able to predict the future
himekokatagiri: Oh shit
spicy.lemonade: fdvr better not be subscription based
joaoluz19: Basic FDVR: access to the 22nd century. Plus: access up to the 30th century
joaoluz19: Just for people who has pro
spicy.lemonade: I hope the me that does travel back in time to fdvr sim gifts sim me nitro
himekokatagiri: talk to it for a while it'll figure things out
himekokatagiri: It's called chatgpt
himekokatagiri: We already have the solution
joaoluz19: We could be just one of many simulations with the aim of making the best simulation for a person.
st.sioux: imagine
himekokatagiri: already wrote it down
himekokatagiri: April 23rd 2025 3:34AM
spicy.lemonade: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
himekokatagiri: Stephen hawkings
spicy.lemonade: AGI 2027 march 13th 10am pst
himekokatagiri: damn
himekokatagiri: forgot his name
himekokatagiri: like that wheelchair guy time travel conference
himekokatagiri: and fuck with you all
himekokatagiri: in the sim
himekokatagiri: come back here
spicy.lemonade: YOOO
himekokatagiri: gotta make a mental note
spicy.lemonade: if we are simulated
spicy.lemonade: and the sim versions of us will be wondering
st.sioux: if i was in charge tof the simulation i woulndt make myself so universally hated
spicy.lemonade: this will actually be in a sim


futurist_wizard: People don't want to pay 4,000 dollars for a new iphone
futurist_wizard: Manufacturing will not return to America in anyway
gamerbath: they serve no other purpose?
futurist_wizard: The tariffs are for trying to bully others countries into taking trade agreements
gamerbath: but then what happens? it can't just keep increasing exponentially can it?
himekokatagiri: This debt is unpayable
gamerbath: aren't trump's tariffs for paying off their national debt? 30 trillion in debt is a lot. do ya'll think this will work?
fractalcomputer: Neo-China arrives from the future..
futurist_wizard: Hardest ccp edit
futurist_wizard:
trojan09205: AI is too good
trojan09205: ChatGPT was such a bro just helping me connect to the spirit of the design and message i chose
trojan09205: Im about to get a tattoo
abundantliving_: https://x.com/GeminiApp/status/1913287714096681013
zonchao: cathy is a thiel plant
zonchao: thiel got him
zonchao: https://x.com/Jiankui_He/status/1913258107196825797
himekokatagiri: truly elevated choice
himekokatagiri: Yandex
aero447: 🫵
aero447: Duckduckgo.
aero447: Simp behaviour.
aero447: Himeko wants Google.
himekokatagiri: I need you so baaaad it's driving me mad
himekokatagiri: but I need you
himekokatagiri: and that your video platform is awful
himekokatagiri: I think your search algorithm sucks and was bastardized
himekokatagiri: Google save me
aero447: 😂
zoermena: The cum calendar
zoermena: Wait what lol
aero447: (I'm of course referring to MichMach and 3sphere)
aero447: It ain't the only thing.
himekokatagiri: June - August
zoermena: June to August
abundantliving_: which months are summer ?
zoermena: It’s coming in summer
zoermena: It looks very cool
zoermena: I quickly skimmed the sleeper paper
Echo Chess Daily#4400:


wellmeaningalien: thats actually crazy how does it nail the style so well
spicy.lemonade: also do you live on east or west coast?
drewsni: yes
wellmeaningalien: yo is this 4o?
spicy.lemonade: test with chess
drewsni: the quality is so insane
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/feel-the-agi-asi-agi-ai-openai-gif-14149800253325173950
maintcrew: like physically impossible
maintcrew: but have the top half half full
maintcrew: can you make it gen a half full one
spicy.lemonade: arc agi native would be a good ass test
drewsni: wow
hey1_1hey: Hmm...
drewsni: only one way to find out
spicy.lemonade: 🤔
spicy.lemonade: native
spicy.lemonade: or do arc agi
spicy.lemonade: i wonder if it can play chess
spicy.lemonade: wait
hey1_1hey: Amoung other things
joaoluz19: Mushrooms mushrooms mushrooms
hey1_1hey: I am begging to get image gen. I have so many ideas
spicy.lemonade: Given an m x n board of characters and a list of strings words, return all words on the board.

Each word must be constructed from letters of sequentially adjacent cells, where adjacent cells are horizontally or vertically neighboring. The same letter cell may not be used more than once in a word.
spicy.lemonade: scramble string
hey1_1hey: Finally it can make the wine nearly overfilled
hey1_1hey: AGI confirmed
hey1_1hey: WHAT HAPPNED TO SAM BRO
spicy.lemonade: the name?
drewsni: agi?
joaoluz19: <@505313122802728972> <@439829942310666250> <@430269783112548362>
st.sioux: thats all you need
st.sioux: you can at least remember 1. the name, 2. the difficulty, 3. the algorithm
maintcrew: i think it's just different perspectives here since lemonade is a competitive programmer
spicy.lemonade: youre not memorizing
joaoluz19: LOLOLOLOL made with 4o
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: realistically
spicy.lemonade: at that point
spicy.lemonade: if you do then you remember the process
spicy.lemonade: no