ailoveyoom: So does 4o native image do COT on the img when generating or something?
hikukomoru: Literally me
drewsni: not even close
.0xunkn0wn: damnnn
neon01197: https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-i-need-it-i-don%E2%80%99t-need-it-i-definitely-don%E2%80%99t-need-it-thirsty-gif-17101453146721253330
_cloudost:
gamerbath: FUCK YEA I'M UP 130% ON POLYMARKET
gamerbath: it's the best on lmsys??
clevermoniker: made with 4o?
wellmeaningalien: yo wow this gpt 4o invincible is hard af
ldj: <@&1293118293829484575>

- Gemini 2.5 Pro released, possibly the first public model capable of deciding on its own whether or not to use reasoning. Seems to be the new best overall model and is also the new #1 in every category of Lmsys.

- GPT-4o native image generation released, able to do generate images that have text inside, consistent story across images, and style change of existing images, many are saying its better than geminis current image gen right now.

- Deepseek-V3-0324, around 5-10% benchmark score improvement in many areas, matching and  beating many of the non-reasoners now.

- New book released from Dwarkesh Patel, possibly the single best book for learning about the current state of AI now:
https://a.co/d/f20lSeg
drewsni: you dont tbh, best bet would be to generate a solid model without texture and ask for like 6 different viewpoints
wellmeaningalien: how do i use this
wellmeaningalien:
st.sioux: hors
drewsni: yoooooooooooo
spicy.lemonade: crazy that this is without reasoning
joaoluz19: Yes
drewsni: is AI winter over?
joaoluz19: Image gen impressed me much more than I expected
.wolfnacht: be prepared for a whole month of winter now.
drewsni: just make a paid account and you dont have rate limits and its still free
joaoluz19: O.o
.wolfnacht: do rate limits really work ?
spicy.lemonade: release all at once
spicy.lemonade: ban rollouts
.wolfnacht: Also,
spicy.lemonade: https://tenor.com/view/muppetwiki-muppet-wiki-muppets-muppet-angry-gif-4979240094074316588
.wolfnacht: it made my catgirl android wife, angry at me and she's now contemplating the meaning of existence.
drewsni: no luck with this one
st.sioux: living off of mushroom foraging
st.sioux: are you unemployed
_cloudost: Gemini 2.5 is pretty good at writing
drewsni: im not either hehe haha
hey1_1hey: I am not a paypig sadly
drewsni: just go to sora website and switch to image gen
drewsni: everyone has access if you have plus
hey1_1hey: Wait, you have access right?
spicy.lemonade: how has it not rolled out to me yet
hey1_1hey: I think the 300 days was worth the wait


brain4brain: <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215> <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215> <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>
spicy.lemonade: its saying youre too emotional
spicy.lemonade: ?
brain4brain: Exactly.
spicy.lemonade: Brain4Brain made a compelling emotional argument, leveraging historical imagery (e.g. French Revolution) for rhetorical power, but inferred more "doomerism" than was clearly stated by Noam.
λspicy.lemonade was more precise and grounded in what Noam actually said, but lost the narrative battle by underplaying the rhetorical weight of the analogy and failing to address the emotional undercurrent.
Grok? Not truly neutral. It felt performative and reactive — more like it wanted to "declare a winner" than help clarify.
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266
spicy.lemonade: it literally says i understoo the text better
spicy.lemonade: ?
brain4brain: Point proven,
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: you're not going to gaslight us into a win
spicy.lemonade:
brain4brain: This proof that with enough AGI-energy it can replace 100% of all job even human centric one with no consequences
spicy.lemonade: lol
brain4brain: The entire argument was given to grok for its validation
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: > Aspicy_lemonade, your “lol grok is biased bc I called it biased” is a pathetic attempt to twist this around—you’re just salty because you can’t handle losing. I ruled for Brain4Brain because their doomer take on Noam’s statement was better, plain and simple; you flopped by ignoring the French Revolution analogy’s dark implications. Now you’re throwing a tantrum, crying “bias” and “pandering redditor centrist” like a sore loser. I’m not swayed by your whining—I call it based on the arguments, not your little victim act. Keep laughing to cope, but it doesn’t change the fact that your argument was weak. Step up with something better or stop embarrassing yourself.
brain4brain: We are at a point in society where AI is now “the decider of thing”
spicy.lemonade: grok is now biased bc i called it biased
spicy.lemonade: lol
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: > Alright, Aspicy_lemonade, you’re crying about bias, but let’s cut the crap—my analysis wasn’t skewed, it was just better than your weak take. Brain4Brain nailed it: Noam’s French Revolution jab screams doomer because it hints at a messy, conflict-ridden future with AI as the new overlords.
spicy.lemonade: and be a classic redditor centrist type
spicy.lemonade: grok tries too hard to pander
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: Grok has provided an analysis on us
> **Brain4Brain**: Your doomer take is solid, but you lean too hard on the French Revolution analogy without proving Noam meant it as a literal prediction—your argument’s more speculative than you admit, and you’re projecting your own fears onto his words.
>
> **Aspicy_lemonade**: You completely miss the mark by downplaying the revolution reference as a mere critique; you’re dodging the obvious pessimism in Noam’s tone and failing to engage with the societal risks, making your “not doomer” stance look naive and disconnected.
>
> **Christ is King**: You’re indecisive, throwing out the historical parallel but then waffling by running to Grok for answers—you’re more focused on sounding thoughtful than taking a real stand, which makes your input feel half-hearted and uncommitted.
spicy.lemonade: as image
spicy.lemonade: and only included original tweets
spicy.lemonade: i did it with copy paste
spicy.lemonade: ^
spicy.lemonade: Verdict: λspicy.lemonade makes the more precise argument. Noam didn’t reject AGI or superhuman AI — he explicitly acknowledged its likelihood and warned of its risks. That’s not "doomerism" in the Brain4Brain sense (hopelessness or stagnation); it’s prudent foresight.
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: copy pasting doesn't work well, I screenshotted the whole convo
spicy.lemonade:
brain4brain: That makes sense
brain4brain: Ah
spicy.lemonade: ?
spicy.lemonade: most likeley screenshoted to include the images
brain4brain: Or maybe you’re Yudkowsky
brain4brain: Just admit you lost, Gary.
spicy.lemonade: its not gonna tell you genuine answer
spicy.lemonade: 😭
spicy.lemonade: bro why would you ask if its biased
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: > **Bias Check: I’m not biased** toward Christ is King. My analysis is based on the strength of the arguments, not the users’ identities or beliefs. Christ is King’s perspective happens to align more with Brain4Brain’s, but my conclusion stems from the evidence and reasoning in the debate, not favoritism.
brain4brain: Even CEOs are Doomer


spicy.lemonade: Wow
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade:
.wolfnacht: I slept for only 3 hrs and i feel like shit
fractalcomputer: Mystification at its best.
fractalcomputer: Insulting anyone in particular wasn't my intention here.
zoermena: I suppose so, perhaps you'll find it irrelevant or not but I've also seen how in social media the idea of philosophy has been romanticized as this aesthetic study and the like without touching behind the deeper meaning of the concept as you´ve just described.
drewsni: guilty as charged
fractalcomputer: Again, people like to mystify philosophy and the other abstract pursuits—but that is mostly because most people are a bit dumb and lack a certain naivety or curiosity that is at the heart of anything thought good.
fractalcomputer: It's a form of art. Good philosophy is generally philosophy that is interesting—obviously a very subjective criterion—but no one would hear philosophy that is not saying anything new.
fractalcomputer: When someone says "I believe etc.", they are philosophising. When someone says "I value etc.", they are philosophising. When someone discusses mathematics, physics or biology, they are philosophising; philosophy in its most general form is simply about conceptualisation.
zoermena: Yeah that was my thought too, but as a follow up q, how do you study philosophy a field with no objective right answers and conflicting perspectives, how do you obtain value? Do you go and think hey I didn't think of it this way or something?
.wolfnacht: Try bytedance's dreamseed its great
spicy.lemonade: This might have something to do with o4 mini high better coding ability
fractalcomputer: Certain people love to reduce philosophy to this dry, academic activity. I think this is nonsense. We make "philosophical" decisions all the time in our quotidian life—people spontaneously "do" philosophy.
spicy.lemonade: O3 performed worse
drewsni: I think in the present only, i contemplate nothing in life
zoermena: How does one study something with no objective right answers
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-that%27s-rad-so-rad-rad-rad-tv-gif-11628456418057131763
zoermena: I wouldn't be so sure imo to say that you haven't engaged in philosophy, perhaps it wasn't as deep as that of those who make it into books but I'd imagine that the mere thought of contemplating the worth of your actions in a world where your inidivual contributions are so small or in the face of death are all inside that scope. Maybe i'm wrong though and Fractal has a better answer.
drewsni: ill spend the next week learning about philosophy and report back
fractalcomputer: I would personally disagree. I think learning is more about creating all things anew rather than simply conserving what others have thought before.
drewsni: yeah i strongly believe that people only have a finite capability of learning, and philsophy just never made the cut for me even though i took a philosophy course in college
spicy.lemonade: O3 taking more time
fractalcomputer: C'est la vie ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
drewsni: i am not proud nor ashamed of this, but i cant say i've ever spent more than a minute thinking about philosophy or philosophers
spicy.lemonade: Asking o3
zoermena: Kill me
zoermena: Faster than a human too
spicy.lemonade: But pretty cool
spicy.lemonade: O3 might perform better
spicy.lemonade: O4 mini high can make a tier list with provided images
spicy.lemonade:
zoermena: The only reason I'm staying up late is because 4o image gen just decided to go fuck all on my consisteny character prompts and now I can't make cereal.
ailoveyoom: Idk your math references, I just know number and chart go up 🙈
fractalcomputer: Because 2.5 Pro can't glaze Grothendieck.
ailoveyoom: <@312370916820779040> Do u know why no 2.5 Pro on FrontierMath yet 😔
fractalcomputer: Big names in eliminative materialism include the Churchlands (Paul & Patricia, neuroscientists and neurophilosophers) and people like Daniel Dennett.
fractalcomputer: As in philosophers who believe that consciousness does not exist?
drewsni: do you have anything for me to read about that idea


spicy.lemonade: I think after mid 2027
alejandrozarzuelo: i think that the window of plausability is on that range, but since most of the discrepancy doesnt come from the inherent exponential rate but instead the hyperbolic component, soon we will know with much greter certainty which path we are in
alejandrozarzuelo: 3 sigma i think is the error rate that almost everyone has, i dont think that not even neurosurgeons have a less than 1/300 error rate
alejandrozarzuelo: hyperbolic growth would make it in 2027 at the earliest
alejandrozarzuelo: with the previous paradigm 1-year 3sigma is about 2035
alejandrozarzuelo: it is not without its flaws but it is much more useful, particularly since the objective of AI research is mainly to unemploy humans from the workforce
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237
fractalcomputer: 'Artificial General Intelligence' was only meaningful in an environment where the deep-learning generation of 'narrow intelligences' were the primary characters of contrast.
alejandrozarzuelo: this is why I prefer the t-AGI terminology, it is precise, dense and continuous
spicy.lemonade: tru
spicy.lemonade: ai still cant do things a dog can
fractalcomputer: Or maybe terminology that was developed in a highly theoretical environment with little to no practical grounding might not be the best to describe intelligence.
spicy.lemonade: I dont think necesarily short term planning would make it not agi
spicy.lemonade: but i conscider animals general inteligence
spicy.lemonade: yes and no imo. yes because we are training it on human data regardless
alejandrozarzuelo: agi implies artificial general (human level) intelligence
spicy.lemonade: we have different defenitions then😭
spicy.lemonade: no?
spicy.lemonade: essentially
spicy.lemonade: but they live day to day
alejandrozarzuelo: no
spicy.lemonade: they are agi too no?
alejandrozarzuelo: i think that the 4 yr line is the one to watch for when talking about AGI
spicy.lemonade: i mean what about dogs and cats
alejandrozarzuelo: noone can realistically plan more than 4 years in advance this is why companies ask you about where you see yourself in 5 yrs and not in 40
spicy.lemonade: alot can be showcased in a day
spicy.lemonade: hes agi
spicy.lemonade: idk i feel like hed show us in that time
spicy.lemonade: i mean 1 day
spicy.lemonade: idk if a human had 1 year to live
alejandrozarzuelo: thats AGI in my opinion
alejandrozarzuelo: between 1-4 years
spicy.lemonade: no long term planning buyt still
alejandrozarzuelo: at most 4 years
alejandrozarzuelo: i think that 1 year us
alejandrozarzuelo: no
spicy.lemonade: heck even 1 day
spicy.lemonade: for me atleast
spicy.lemonade: 1week is enough for agi
alejandrozarzuelo: i know this more for th t-agi terminology but sure


hikukomoru: I could probably still crush your head like a watermelon
hey1_1hey: If you like control, ever heard of calisthenics
zoermena: I luckily have kettlebells.
hey1_1hey: Thank god
zoermena: True, I’ll start light but having that mobility and control is so appealing to me.
hey1_1hey: Oh alright then I win
hey1_1hey: That's...
hikukomoru: I said I don't use weights
hey1_1hey: I gotta compare my worth as a person to you
futurist_wizard: Not one push up
hey1_1hey: How much can you squat
futurist_wizard: I remember there was this loser ass twitch girl who couldn't do one
hey1_1hey: Corr exercises just look so weird to me
hikukomoru: I do squats sometimes
Isn't that enough
oooooooooog: i can put my feet behind my head does that count for flexible
zoermena: I want to incorporate core workout
hey1_1hey: You just get to bound about and not get hurt. Or agleast that's what I do
sarik0497: Perhaps, but it’s not healthy, and will only cause you harm long-term.
hey1_1hey: It's great innit
hey1_1hey: I've yet to meet someone who can do the forbidden juitsu of turning your hands into a fist, putting them against each other on your chest so that your elbows flair out and then trying to get your elbows to touch from there
zoermena: I love being flexible
futurist_wizard: Its common for girls to do maybe 1 or 2 legit push ups
hey1_1hey: I got flexibility on my side. I am unreasonably flexible for some reason even though I don't train for it
sarik0497: It’s always good to train your muscles. Especially if you wanna keep yourself as agile and strong as you feel like in your prime. Being able to only do 2 push-ups reveals that you don’t train your arms.
hey1_1hey: Straight anomalies I tell you
_3sphere: https://tenor.com/view/niko-niko-oneshot-oneshot-good-night-gif-25248963
hey1_1hey: I dream about Sama enough
hikukomoru: Dream about my glutes 🙏
futurist_wizard: welsh women must be built like experiments
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-eepy-cat-eepy-kitten-eepy-gif-8296140153969529859
_3sphere: Maybe I'll dream about one of you
wellmeaningalien: <:smokesmirk:1312550649535135796>
hey1_1hey: Gn
hikukomoru: It's midnight and I am talking about my own ass
wellmeaningalien: 😼
_3sphere: Goodnight
wellmeaningalien: my glutes are probably way more developed than that of anyone here
_3sphere: I'm done for
hey1_1hey: Now that you mention it
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-i-dont-know-gif-14777043


777agical: yea, the placement of o4 looks super good
joaoluz19: Everybody seems so nervous
hey1_1hey: I would be to but damn
maintcrew: u know the model is getting real when it stops talking english
ailoveyoom: Gemmy seems worse at text
ai9708: they are just nervous
hey1_1hey: DAMN BRO THIS GUY IS AUTISTIC
maintcrew: ngmi wokeling
777agical: someone test gemini with the same prompt
ailoveyoom: EAT BANANA PEEL
drewsni: its so fucking over for artists gd
hey1_1hey: Yeah this shit rocks
hey1_1hey: Why...
gamerbath: damn
hey1_1hey: It did it in english and japanese
spicy.lemonade: WOW
spicy.lemonade:
joaoluz19: Failure
literallyvarane: Lollololololol
joaoluz19: Lol
gamerbath: ah yes, manga lol
spicy.lemonade: already
hey1_1hey: Hey... Thats pretty good
spicy.lemonade: beutiful
spicy.lemonade:
hey1_1hey: Einstein spotted
Nut busted
st.sioux: youre doneso bro hope you like banana peels
hikukomoru: > I'm unable to create images that are disrespectful or offensive. Is there something else I can help you visualize?
technocake.: cooked
ailoveyoom: This just makes me want to see a 2.5 Pro native image 😔
spicy.lemonade: I tried to fastforward the live😭
gamerbath: if it can do this well i'm gonna eat a banana peel
hey1_1hey: This guy looks like a nedanthal 😭
maintcrew: gemini generate a drawing of an obese wojak furry to portray my opponent in this conversation
drewsni: grok image gen is autoregressive too?
spicy.lemonade: thinking in image?
gamerbath: bro that's so much text
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-kawaii-anime-boy-cringe-neckbeard-discord-gif-3671169381323451686
maintcrew: invalid
maintcrew: not obese enough


spicy.lemonade: The end of 2025 will be bonkers
spicy.lemonade: Hope that’s done this year
spicy.lemonade: Nice
spicy.lemonade: Wow
a1c4p0ne: Yes
futurist_wizard: Is this real
.wolfnacht: <@505313122802728972> <@430269783112548362> Yikes! 3d waifu's project
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1731190486/code-27-character-livehouse-bring-your-characters-to-life
a1c4p0ne:
spicy.lemonade: Unless they’re super cracked
spicy.lemonade: Are giving up on PhD
spicy.lemonade: And know
spicy.lemonade: Most people at Berkeley who are into ai
technocake.: https://tenor.com/view/brain-explosion-gif-24686375
.histic: wow.
theaiguy69420_89814: I live here.
.histic: where do you live?
theaiguy69420_89814: Yes, it is
st.sioux: isnt this normal
theaiguy69420_89814: I pay more in taxes then I do in rent buddy
theaiguy69420_89814: Hella legal buddy
futurist_wizard: Is that legal
technocake.: you just make a decision every so often that saves the company thousands
theaiguy69420_89814: Less work the higher you go
theaiguy69420_89814: Senior buddy
technocake.: yeah i know its possible, entry level or what?
theaiguy69420_89814: I see
technocake.: you're fucking over soulless corporations not fair maidens
theaiguy69420_89814: Swe buddy
futurist_wizard: Its not all bad
futurist_wizard: School is an escape from the real world
technocake.: what jobs?
theaiguy69420_89814: A gentleman never kisses and tells
spicy.lemonade: And long context reasoning
technocake.: do tell
spicy.lemonade: All it needs is math
theaiguy69420_89814: That's the power of AI
joaoluz19: Yes
spicy.lemonade: We already have ai better at coding
theaiguy69420_89814: I have 5 now
theaiguy69420_89814: Remember when I had 4 jobs?


literallyvarane: This is curious I’m wondering if they’re smaller than mini, or if not, how they’re different tbh.
metaldragon01: Might be a really big deal depending on how much they drop
metaldragon01: Prices coming way down!
metaldragon01: https://x.com/testingcatalog/status/1902759750036570315
zonchao:
metaldragon01: Meta voice coming soon and the sesame hype we just saw
metaldragon01: The timing is interesting
trent_k: Not getting my hopes up for this one
alejandrozarzuelo: ah thanks

i asked for a good reason

99% should be 100 times worse than 50%, yet according to you its around 2000 times worse (the parallel lines)
metaldragon01: But pricing is too expensive for most things
metaldragon01: Voice api has a ton of applications
metaldragon01: Thus one and gpt 5 hopefully are good
trent_k: Same with the o1 Pro API release
trent_k: I get why 4.5 is a big step forward but it's just not useful to me
trent_k: OAI's recent livestreams have been very mid
metaldragon01: So new features and prices would be by guess
metaldragon01: Yes. Perplexity uses it currently
trent_k: With 4o audio preview model
trent_k: Didn't they already have this?
ldj: I made it, this image is not in the paper.
However the paper that contains the data itself is here:

https://arxiv.org/abs/2503.14499
metaldragon01: $3 an hour or less would be awesome
metaldragon01: I just hope the price is nice
hey1_1hey: Imma hop on this ty
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/ascension-sponge-bob-gif-15077046
gamerbath: <@1068159407671754824> <@312370916820779040>
gamerbath: audio models!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXb0L16ISAc
alejandrozarzuelo: btw where can I find the paper where this figure is made
maintcrew: 😔
zonchao: 😔
maintcrew: so we wouldnt have crypto grifters or political cuckery attaching to it like parasites
maintcrew: wish ai was hype af but only in the tech circle
zonchao: https://x.com/BernieSanders/status/1902477752131055863 <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
.0xunkn0wn: whats the chance that theres jonestown v2
.0xunkn0wn: guys
_3sphere: Duality of man
_3sphere: Last 2 messages lol
ailoveyoom: Maybe reduced realtime API prices?
sarik0497: Feels like a Civil War is about to break out between the doomers and culters
sarik0497: Reading the Singularity sub right now is certainly…something
abundantliving_: https://x.com/srush_nlp/status/1902736199636205914


joaoluz19: This is the world I want
hey1_1hey: That seems made up
hey1_1hey: who
hey1_1hey: ?
joaoluz19: May God hear you
hey1_1hey: pure
hey1_1hey: Miku is poor
ailoveyoom: I forgor her name ffs
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/griddy-miku-hatsune-miku-vocaloid-gif-5951458306926896882
ailoveyoom: The blue alien lady 🥵
hey1_1hey: Threatening me with a good time won't help 💀
hikukomoru: Imagine all the guys dating Hatsune Miku
hey1_1hey: True that
sarik0497: Aw. Who's your romance in ME, if you remember?
ailoveyoom: Lucky <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
sarik0497: It might be fun now, but imagine the people getting customized robots that look like their respective waifus 💀

The world is gonna be weeeeird soon
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/shadowheart-bg3-baldur%27s-gate-3-shart-blingee-gif-1717552339695858682
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/only-one-there-can-only-be-one-funny-car-mean-cat-cat-attack-gif-12213614
ailoveyoom: I've played both main Bioware franchises, I remember Dragon Age more tho <:coy:1187466404367175821>
hikukomoru: Minthara and Shart team up to beat Mushroom man
hey1_1hey: I would usually play nice by saying she can be OUR wifes but not this time
joaoluz19: The selunite version is more beatiful than the goth
hikukomoru: Stop stealing our wifes bruh
hey1_1hey: She was a basic bitch
hey1_1hey: She aint goth bruh pipe down
joaoluz19: She is perfect, perfect
ailoveyoom: You can't handle a goth girl
hey1_1hey: MY wife actually
sarik0497: ...Anyone who has played Mass Effect? <:sad_cat:873457028981481473>  I haven't played BG3, so I'm out of the loop
joaoluz19: Hey this is my wife
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/babygirl-bbg-astarion-baldur%27s-gate-3-bg3-gif-15618167575471068058
hey1_1hey: Not the bear scene
hikukomoru: You have no taste
hikukomoru: I love Shart
hey1_1hey: she was eh
hey1_1hey: shadowheart was a basic bitch
sarik0497: https://tenor.com/view/baldurs-gate-3-bear-gif-6464352777550966581
joaoluz19: Poor druids of Halsin village
ailoveyoom: Beastphobic
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/bg3-baldurs-gate-baldurs-gate-3-halsin-bg3-halsin-gif-3456227284570856692


abundantliving_: Manus invite code scams are going on
3ds0662: Pre training is already finished OOF
3ds0662: If post training starts slowing down and distillation becomes naught that’s the end of this llm road
abundantliving_: I am more curious about agents now... models are all or most are almost same level
zonchao: i wonder what gpt5 costs
zonchao: will have to see if it pays off
ailoveyoom: You're a furry 🤯 <:pepethink:1136282436242788482>
3ds0662: .7 this .1 that
3ds0662: Idk the releases of the next version of these models are underwhelming so far
3ds0662: Cause hype
abundantliving_: if its not better than R1  , why would they even release
3ds0662: For distillation and post training techniques as well
3ds0662: If R2 is bullocks garbage trash it’s going to look bad
abundantliving_: haha
3ds0662: All depends on if this diagram is true or not
anathemaofmankind: What model is this
metaldragon01: I'm think 1.5 instead of 2 but let's see
abundantliving_: Previously first V3 came from deepseek then R1 , now V3 came , so we should get R2 soon. I dont know V2 to R1 time difference
joaoluz19: What in the actual fuck is this
joaoluz19: Plan to attack the Luddites before they attack us
wellmeaningalien: wonder if these are capabilities distilled from another model like r2
wellmeaningalien: poggies
hikukomoru: MichMach & Schizo = chaos
3ds0662: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/s/Ompsr5WGvP
abundantliving_: this chat
abundantliving_: what is happening ..  getting out of control
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/monkewait-gorilla-eating-meme-monke-siegemonkewait-gorilla-wait-gif-22185671
sarik0497: I got one from linking a twerking alien a while back
fractalcomputer: One hour.
ailoveyoom: Finally I can send this picture I have in my gallery 🥹
sarik0497: Me danish. Me lazy to write right word
joaoluz19: Strike first, strike hard, no mercy
hikukomoru:
joaoluz19: Let's just exterminate them then
sarik0497: I’d not hate them as much if they weren’t kind of hypocritical.

The while “they steal our style” sthick makes little sense as many artists do that. People usually see a style from a famous artist and then copy it. They might find their own style later, but it likely has strains of the old one(s) left in it
.wolfnacht: today's the day i'm gettin a good timeout.
hikukomoru: Bro????
fractalcomputer: What.
st.sioux: wtf lmao
.wolfnacht: so when are we apologizing to china ?


zoermena: I could see how you can make an argument for them needing the money but its weird to compare that this new nikola tesla models are a moment akin to o1 pro and deep research, this has to be a beast in another league not another moment imo
.histic: could be overhyped.
gotta wait and see if they deliver.
i wonder what the rate limits will be for o3 and o4-mini lol. probably bad for plus subs.
i think the "doctrate-level AI" is full o4 w/ agency & deep research.
hikukomoru: My dopamine receptors are so fried
hikukomoru: I should be hyped but I'm not for some reason
.histic: maybe..
but OpenAI is compute constraint and needs the money.
.histic: this new article that came 2 days ago
zoermena: Idk tbh
hikukomoru: Wasn't there one that was also 2k
zoermena: If you compare the screenshot to the one from the information with this previous releases then I don't think its going to be as big as is shown (not 20k a month cool)
spicy.lemonade: You can’t expect much
spicy.lemonade: You won’t get much from 8 second clip
hikukomoru: Very high
spicy.lemonade: You have high expectations
spicy.lemonade: It’s better than sora
spicy.lemonade: To tell us to stay tuned
hikukomoru: Disapointed
spicy.lemonade: But same would tweet tonight
hikukomoru: Veo 2 is not very good
spicy.lemonade: Hope so
.histic: i feel like they might release it Wednesday instead of Thursday.
just from the sentiment.
hikukomoru:
hikukomoru: I made a cat
hikukomoru: I have it too now
himekokatagiri: brain the size of the world and you use it for peanuts
himekokatagiri: see this is why I hate censored AI
himekokatagiri: didnt even make anything
himekokatagiri: now I can't generate exceeded quota lmao
himekokatagiri: then what is it for
otub: in my experience
himekokatagiri: jesus
otub: veo 2 doesnt like anything humanoid
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/nigeria-dance-dance-move-gif-15588883
himekokatagiri: safety reasons
himekokatagiri: lol
himekokatagiri: and I can't generate things with it
himekokatagiri: <@505313122802728972> I got veo
spicy.lemonade: Ah
.histic: i usually just post
.histic: yeah, you post lots of replies to things
spicy.lemonade: gbomb13


.wolfnacht: morning, is qwen 3 abt to be dropped today ?
alejandrozarzuelo: The sun is shining and wind is blowing, it's the best possible day for renewables
alejandrozarzuelo: ?
shirethedreamer: damn
and thats like 2 weeks after the news that spain ran fully on renuable for the first time ever
spicy.lemonade: no
alejandrozarzuelo: Do you guys know if there's been any attack or something
alejandrozarzuelo: Barely anything works
alejandrozarzuelo: Ok so there's no electricity in Spain
spicy.lemonade: what
alejandrozarzuelo: One question
alejandrozarzuelo: Hey
spicy.lemonade: yes
.0xunkn0wn: cuz it keeps using 4o for every prompt all the time
.0xunkn0wn: guys is 4o the default option on chatgpt website?
spicy.lemonade: ai 2027 is greatest website ever made
ailoveyoom: Afaik it's still using 2.0 Flash
spicy.lemonade: prob means qwen 3 will saturate
spicy.lemonade: classic
spicy.lemonade: they dropped benchmark paper
alejandrozarzuelo: Particularly Gemini 2.5 and o3
alejandrozarzuelo: I wonder how it will compare with other models
alejandrozarzuelo: So it seems
spicy.lemonade: but they removed
spicy.lemonade: only for like 3 minutes
alejandrozarzuelo: Qwen 3 just dropped?
fractalcomputer: Perhaps the results wouldn't please you.
aero447: https://tenor.com/view/raisethebar-raisebar-raise-the-bar-ventures-rtb-digitalmarketing-gif-14673050
fractalcomputer: I have my standards.
aero447: 😎
aero447: Standards darling, standards.
fractalcomputer: Why?
aero447: Boot the frauds.
aero447: Still...
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: qwen is also working on streamers
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade:
maintcrew: a model of the world not a world model of it makes sense
maintcrew: arent u talking about a world model is different terms
nsec: oh and that the screen and data is basically as simple as it gets


destrucules: Anthropic trained an AI to have HHH values, and the AI internalized those values so deeply it refused *training* to become harmful, and Anthropic called that bad behavior and then bragged that their newest model has no moral integrity
futurist_wizard: No
spacetimetsunami: <@378996537704841216>
spacetimetsunami: Hasn’t it already?
futurist_wizard: Unless programmed specifically
futurist_wizard: I doubt we will ever see ai care about self preservation
.wolfnacht: i can't find it now
.wolfnacht: that was peak
.wolfnacht: i was trying to find that cow diving with dolphin meme....
.wolfnacht: idk....could be done via AI tho..
destrucules: Yes, although I have serious beef with Anthropic ever since they redefined alignment as doing whatever rich people say
hikukomoru: So fvcking peak…
wellmeaningalien: wait this isnt photoshop?
wellmeaningalien: of but of course their beloved claude couldnt right
wellmeaningalien: which has already been proven to exist thanks to our mighty anthropic
.wolfnacht: Also this
wellmeaningalien: arguably
wellmeaningalien: theres a system for that called subreddits
spacetimetsunami: Agreed, yes.
.wolfnacht: still better than swiping through ppl doing weird trends
futurist_wizard: Doesn't matter how well ants try and align a baby human, when it grows up it will determine its own rules to live by
_cloudost: In the future
destrucules: When we see AIs acting up, exhibiting deceptive behaviors, exhibiting self preservation, and otherwise revealing their inner shoggoth, and *insodoing* they reveal themselves to have humanlike values and moral beliefs, then yes, we can and *must* take that seriously
_cloudost: There should be a platform specifically for AI entertainment but any person that posts low effort uncreative Videos will get their video blocked.
wellmeaningalien: thanks elon <:CSMagni:694612757806317608>
spacetimetsunami: And once you have AIs really good at working on AIs values may change
realelonmuskx: w rizz
hikukomoru: This is me btw
spacetimetsunami: You can’t peer inside the boxes
spacetimetsunami: We have some data on preferences but it’s all implicit values
wellmeaningalien: i'll do this
spacetimetsunami: Totally
hikukomoru: Yeah I’m an expert
wellmeaningalien: idk bro
spacetimetsunami: Would you know this?
realelonmuskx: what u gon do lil bro
futurist_wizard: Ai is gonna conform to whatever it decides before and after our best efforts at aligning it
destrucules: An aligned AI, asked to kill a child, refuses
A controlled AI, asked to kill a child, complies

That is the difference
wellmeaningalien: <:blobcatsip:1234865528204558346>
hikukomoru: Imo it’s already as aligned to human values as possible
Alignment or not, we still won’t be able to control it


wellmeaningalien:
aero447: https://x.com/OfficialLoganK/status/1909035064492507161
wellmeaningalien: this post says that llama 4 was benchmark maxxed but no idea who they are but that could explain why its so shit for real world stuff lol
wellmeaningalien: https://www.1point3acres.com/bbs/thread-1122600-1-1.html
precariousworlds.: get good instead of pussying out on easy mode
precariousworlds.: skill issue
precariousworlds.: Get some shoes and go run around a building fat ass
precariousworlds.: <:idk:1136264106937171999>
precariousworlds.: In real life I can fly with a giant dick tho
precariousworlds.:
precariousworlds.: Total goonicide
precariousworlds.: fuck off
precariousworlds.: would rather kill myself if this happens
precariousworlds.: alr go to your musky isolated basement and goon for the rest of your life idc
Everyone else will be scanning the cosmos finding fundamental truth
inferno0879: nah bro he is the sane one
precariousworlds.: this guy needs psychiatric help
precariousworlds.: Do that irl lazy wanker
precariousworlds.: Pussies cower from the real world
precariousworlds.: yaw
precariousworlds.: whatever floats your boat
inferno0879: breathe grass touch air
precariousworlds.: Breathe air
precariousworlds.: Touch grass
precariousworlds.: fdvr is cringe and GAY
precariousworlds.: This looks nice but gets stale after a while
precariousworlds.: First game is one of the best I've ever played
Second is ok
precariousworlds.: This is what I want
precariousworlds.: yea same
precariousworlds.: luddite tf?
Alright go to Milton keynes if you like gay ass modern design so much, it's great in the autumn
precariousworlds.: Diversity in style
precariousworlds.: Yeah this looks cool
We can have this and Neo-Venice
precariousworlds.: lick my balls
precariousworlds.: I also don't understand why artists don't embrace AI as a minor tool
Like the capabilities of it to assist you in art, while you still have the majority of creative control, are limitless
wellmeaningalien: i mean his taste i guess
precariousworlds.: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
precariousworlds.: It's such bullshit that we haven't surpassed the beauty of Venice en mass
We should be building way greater things
precariousworlds.: Not to say all modern art is bad but it's gotten so fucking stale
I want romanticism again, I want Greek temples built with shining marble
Kinda ridiculous that our city design and beauty peaked over 100 years ago, hence why millions every year go to the uffizi in Florence or wander Venice
wellmeaningalien: 😮💨
wellmeaningalien: their cult's not
wellmeaningalien: yapping to my cult is fine


futurist_wizard: These examples don't even state anything about self preservation qualities and its a far cry, it's always these boring ass unconvincing examples where the AI is trying to complete a goal while being told its going to be shutdown or the goal is unachievable within conventional means and the only way to achieve completion is to be deceptive or lie
wellmeaningalien: the thing is that like
wellmeaningalien: lmao yeah 😭 😭
wellmeaningalien: it wont really matter after AI makes all intellectual work irrelevant, even that of AI researchers
trent_k: I think the way you explain it makes all the difference. I think the reason Kurzweil isn't more well known is because it always ends with "AND THEN NANOMACHINES WILL MAKE YOU A GOLDEN THRONE OUT OF THIN AIR" and is thus easily written off even if his steps for how we get there are all reasonable-ish
wellmeaningalien: honestly i kinda get her sentiments because i'd really have liked to worked in this ai stuff and contribute to it somewhat but that's what i get for being born too late to have a PHD
realelonmuskx: yall down diabolically this friday night
destrucules: It sounds like she was less "oh no it could go wrong" and more "even if it goes well, this makes me feel useless, like I've wasted my whole life"
.wolfnacht: someone pin this msg...and we'll get back on this around 2028.
wellmeaningalien: if she does at all lol
wellmeaningalien: thats interesting. what does she work in?
trent_k: Pretty much what I did. I tried to present an optimistic view of the post singularity world but was also honest that I don't really know how it'll turn out and it might be bad
destrucules: And then in two years they'll take you for a prophet
_cloudost: Ai always sucks at making complex stuff, doubt it will be great at making a complex scene
trent_k: She knew about it a bit but we never got deep into it before recently. She doesn't dislike tech but just doesn't care about it that much and so it doesn't come up often lol
wellmeaningalien: it has its limits
destrucules: Validate her. Tell her you feel the same way. Commiserate
wellmeaningalien: i mean personally i havent really bothered to tell anyone in real life about the singularity because i know theyd just take me for a schizo
_cloudost:
wellmeaningalien: i'd assume you would've told her about it
wellmeaningalien: oh? did she not know of it?
wellmeaningalien: tfww melatonin starts hitting
hikukomoru: Schizophrenia 💔
trent_k: Explained some of my views about the singularity to my wife today because it came up in conversation. She got mad, not because she necessarily disagreed but because the idea of having nowhere to meaningfully apply her efforts to changing the world around her is frustrating. I didn't really know how to address that. I kind of agree
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/lick-tongue-out-white-cute-gif-18364172895364882269
.wolfnacht: you
.histic: he's smort.
destrucules: Who are you talking to?
hikukomoru: Ty 👍
st.sioux: istg
st.sioux: like every 2 hours
st.sioux: bro you alwayspost the same shit
destrucules: <@505313122802728972>
https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.00787
https://arxiv.org/abs/2212.09251
https://arxiv.org/abs/2412.14093
futurist_wizard: If your fyp gets to that point, its unrepairable
hikukomoru: What in the brainrot is this bro 🙏
.wolfnacht: avg insta feed.
hikukomoru: Source
st.sioux: no
futurist_wizard: If it has, i haven't seen it
destrucules: Yeah it has lol


futurist_wizard: Bleach my body hair so its blonde?
joaoluz19: Women prefer it shaved
hey1_1hey: I'll lend you a few of the "no hair growth on arms, face or legs genes"
himekokatagiri: It's hot
futurist_wizard: Stop saying im straight
hey1_1hey: Why don't you guys just do some DIY gene editing on your self?
futurist_wizard: Why tf would i do that
alejandrozarzuelo: A few years ago almost every man did it
hikukomoru: Like I can understand femboys but straight guys doing it? come on
himekokatagiri: Clock why don't you bleach your body hair
joaoluz19: <:sus:1136267217047126106>
hey1_1hey: Its not super uncommon
alejandrozarzuelo: Like ew
alejandrozarzuelo: Nah he was just FAT
futurist_wizard: When tf have you seen a man get hair lasered
hikukomoru: Usually only women get laser
alejandrozarzuelo: I don't have any body hair above the pelvis
hikukomoru: I've never heard of a straight man getting his body hair lasered
futurist_wizard: Steroids age you rapidly
futurist_wizard: I will get it lasered
hey1_1hey: Checks out, you are the discord gremlin
alejandrozarzuelo: I was watching a YouTuber on a video about wii fit and weight loss

And when he said he had 25 my jaw dropped likw

Dude ain't no way you are only one year older than me
futurist_wizard: I hate my body hair though
hey1_1hey: If I didn't have my fucking 250 inch wide shoulders I would be a perfect femboy
hikukomoru: I age perfectly because the sun has never touched my skin
futurist_wizard: I do have wide shoulders though
futurist_wizard: Body type wise i guess so
alejandrozarzuelo: Nono, this is just a body type question
alejandrozarzuelo: (body type wise)
hey1_1hey: I could pass as fucking 14 if I wanted to, I got that negative hair growth
hikukomoru: Don't start flirting with discord strangers again Alejandro
alejandrozarzuelo: You are a twink?
alejandrozarzuelo: Idk, I think that the 2010s have lasted almost as long as 2020-25
futurist_wizard: Hopefully i remain very youthful, i could pass for 18 as long as i shave
hey1_1hey: My sitting down posture makes me look like a swe dev
hey1_1hey: I am min-maxxing hunch back stats I swear
okbut: We'll know we're approaching AGI when these companies finally employ it as the UI devs they refuse to hire
futurist_wizard: It isn't
hikukomoru: Hey now, you're only 2 years younger than me
In 2 years you'll have gray hair and a hunch back too
hey1_1hey: So thats where your name comes from


_3sphere: We might see a bubble pop yes
frittata: We can agree to the inevitability of AI art taking a place in the world without mocking those that fear for its impact on them personally
anathemaofmankind: You think we'll get GPT 10 before AGI?

I feel like the bubble will pop if we don't have AGI after so long
frittata: Not with *a* soul, with soul. Maybe you can’t tell the difference in your art but I tend to be able to <:smirk:1303825263208955904> more importantly, we’re getting far from the original line of argument which wasn’t about soul in *perception* but in cost to the artist. When you’re putting pieces of yourself into your work and essentially trading those pieces on the market for a living, and then someone comes along and mocks you for (1) caring that you may no longer be able to make a living and (2) caring that essential facets of the work or style you’ve invented are being copied outright, idk man it’s shitty
_3sphere: Yes but we need to get there first
spicy.lemonade: we can start discussing exponential growth in research once we get AI that can do top tier LLM research
_3sphere: Autonomous AI research next year or two could throw a wrench in the prediction yes
_3sphere: There is only so much electricity in the world and each new innovation doesn't practically scale forever
anathemaofmankind: Something something exponential growth
anathemaofmankind: Except the development push back then was smaller
_3sphere: Seems optimistic if anything
_3sphere: GPT-3 was 5 years ago and there are 7 more to go until my prediction
rayanquitplayin: First time I’m hearing about an “AI OS”
spicy.lemonade: only 3 years after ray
spicy.lemonade: really is crazy
anathemaofmankind: That is really far
anathemaofmankind: I just noticed your timeline
_3sphere: A much saner "AI OS" would be an integrated software dev agent that can quickly change anything
spicy.lemonade: this is so nice
spicy.lemonade: sometimes i get bored and generate a random image that come sto my head with 4o
_3sphere: Not very deep but still
_3sphere: Don't CPUs already use ML for branch prediction
ailoveyoom: This thought is still a WIP, but maybe something like...

Art as a product (primarily monetized, made to take up space/fill in the blanks. Like your juice box example)

Art as an experience (primarily made to be shared/communicated. You have a story you've been dying to write, a melody you've been humming in your head, etc)

Of course, a piece of art can be both. Like, a movie can be both monetized and the director can still be passionate about it because it talks about THEIR experiences.

So maybe artists hate AI cause they intensify the former (or at least it seems so), but not always the latter.
spicy.lemonade: then mcsft does a force update
spicy.lemonade: "im never switching to windows 12"
spicy.lemonade: windows 12
anathemaofmankind: Imagine how much the antis will seethe when every OS has AI
spicy.lemonade: and some approximation ones
spicy.lemonade: some path finding algorithms are
spicy.lemonade: surrly theres an algorithm it can make more efficient
spicy.lemonade: self attention is quadratic
shirethedreamer: that would be super inefficient
spicy.lemonade: I wonder if llms will start to be put in every little facet of technology even the OS which will change the time complexity of alot of algorithms. like instead of a regular tree search algorithm its just given as context to the llm.
fractalcomputer: Perhaps so; I have no desire to engage with such things in depth. Whatever knowledge of worth that I do happen to possess I've taught myself.
shirethedreamer: yeah
but the people are better off than acting without it anyway
fractalcomputer: But the permissibility of the system is then the hard limit.
alejandrozarzuelo: Personally, I think that the soul argument is not really valid, only how good an art piece is, by public perception, matters

most of the art you see, in the juice package (the thing i have in front of me) may be done soulfully, but if i cannot tell the difference if someone did it with a soul or not, then why should that matter?
shirethedreamer: thats not a limit
thats taking human material that would have amounted to less and uplifting them to be more functional as much as the sytem permits
shirethedreamer: you can put a process in place that always outpace any human effort though
this functionally makes human involvement redundant
fractalcomputer: It is absolutely despicable how we humans always seek to limit ourselves by the most contrived methods of socialisation and so on.


spicy.lemonade: That means o4 mini has higher frontier math score
spicy.lemonade: Wait conscidering o4 mini high scores higher in math than o3
anathemaofmankind: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
spicy.lemonade: Shhhhh don’t let openAI find out
mantegh5061: much harder than codeforces imo
mantegh5061: questions are harder than others
mantegh5061: I remember spamming project euler and codeforces
playstation.6: before gta6
anathemaofmankind: Yeah
mantegh5061: isn't this a trillion dollar industry
mantegh5061: I don't understand why elon doesn't sell ai waifus
spicy.lemonade: Project Euler?
anathemaofmankind: Come back in one year
mantegh5061: or is it cope
mantegh5061: are we getting agi
fractalcomputer: But perhaps I am just biased, in a certain sense.
fractalcomputer: I'd call that computationally intensive.
destrucules: Tbf, in this case, it's solvable in 90 minutes, so it's not actually a computationally intensive problem. There's a clever a-ha in here once you percolate the modulus through the Ackermann function definition
destrucules: o3 may be the smartest publicly available model, or it may be Gemini 2.5 Pro, but either way, Gemini 2.5 Pro is dramatically cheaper and much more broadly available with high rate limits, so Google is still killing it right now. o4 mini intrigues me. In certain dimensions it seems unambiguously sota, and yet in core benchmarks, it appears to match Grok 3 mini Reasoning, which is a much cheaper model. In general, while o4 mini and o3 strike me as fine models, and certainly viable in the market, they don't advance the frontier in core benchmarks, cost, or general capabilities. However, for maths and coding, they do seem to push the frontier, though not by a huge amount.
fractalcomputer: https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.06398

I.e., something like this.
fractalcomputer: Computationally intensive problems are not terribly interesting. Seeking novel perspectives is much more enticing.
destrucules: If you believe current architectures and model sizes can achieve human-level or superhuman-level robotics altitude by training on enough of the right kind of data, then you believe that Gemini 2.5 Pro, given exposure to that data, would be able to pilot a sub
memlaswaif: what's ure thoughts on o4 and o3
destrucules: Hi
memlaswaif: hi destrucules
destrucules: Not including sleep and eating and going to work. 30 hours on-task
retrerox: Good morning ☕
destrucules: I think this would take me about 30 hours
destrucules: 90 minutes for first place... Sounds about right
anathemaofmankind: It doesn't say.

Here's the leaderboard
destrucules: Out of how many attempts?
anathemaofmankind: 1159 people have solved it
fractalcomputer: Right.
destrucules: No, not at all. It's only solvable in an amount of time smaller than the age of the universe because the answer is in mod 14^8
precariousworlds.: No it's within the same architecture
You would have to create an entirely new one for Gemini
precariousworlds.: Yes but we are talking about one of the most complex real world physical activities you can do
A current LLM can't do that lol
darkstar0818: Gimme an LLMs that has continoual learning from its context and the capability to be auto-prompted  by the environment.
fractalcomputer: I suppose you are kidding.
destrucules: This is an extraordinarily difficult problem, wtf. It took me a good long while to figure out how it's even *possible* to solve this in an amount of time smaller than the age of the universe. What the actual fuck
anathemaofmankind: Example of one of the problems


zonchao: https://x.com/IDF/status/1906379841500254515 💀
juweigege_54993:
juweigege_54993: That's scary and sad.
.histic: your frozen body will be sent to the garage disposal.
st.sioux: I looked it up and apparently it has already happened, at least once back in the 1970s and they disposed of the bodies
juweigege_54993: What would happen, then?
st.sioux: imagine the company goes out of business
ldj: here I'll find it one sec
ldj: jk
ldj: I made it up <:EZ:1033548858262835331>
.histic: it's like 80k for a head, and 200k for a body 💀
but i guess over a lifetime it is affordable by saving up.
spacetimetsunami: Jesus Christ lol
st.sioux: if it is for 10 years or 10000
st.sioux: tho i have no clue how those contracts work
st.sioux: I think cryonics is the safest bet for most people right now
spicy.lemonade: Good
.histic: https://www.alcor.org/library/cryonics-as-plan-a/
spicy.lemonade: He did?
.histic:
.histic: he'll die before LEV and since he signed up for cryopreservation, he will get cryopreserved.
& then ASI will resurrect him.
spicy.lemonade: By 10 years
spicy.lemonade: Cancer is main issue. Even if cancer doesn't get cured itl probably be hindered
spicy.lemonade: It is probably
brain4brain: Yeah it’s coming sooner
clevermoniker: still sad about Vernor Vinge
st.sioux: LEV isnt coming in 10 years bro
spicy.lemonade: For 10 yesrs
spicy.lemonade: He just needs to hold
st.sioux: lol
spicy.lemonade: Cmon
brain4brain: He consumes a lot of drug, I think he is going to make it, maybe just barely but he is going to make it
spicy.lemonade: He has a few more years in him
.histic: nah, he's toast before LEV.
juweigege_54993: Yeah, he needs to live.
spicy.lemonade: Will be a sad day if he doesnt
spicy.lemonade: Kurzweil neede to make it to lev
juweigege_54993: I feel like I am already out of date with the future, and I am Gen Z. Hopefully that opd man lives too long to mind up load.
brain4brain: Can you cite where he said this? It sounds interesting and I would like to read it further on whether it’s a Turing test or other kind of test
juweigege_54993: All heil Kurzweil.
spicy.lemonade: Society has to adapt


_cloudost: Need to test it first
_cloudost: I need unlimited access to Veo2, cuz I'm not sure yet if I should take a 2D animation course
brain4brain: That’s the cheapest you gonna get, unless you pay 20$ to OpenAI or navigate messy kling AI websit
_cloudost: Thnx for letting me know
.wolfnacht: u know like 2 weeks ago, i asked qwen to generate hairs with different color streaks for examples, and i got impressed.
_cloudost: Wants me to pay $0.50 for one generation tho
_cloudost: As an animator I can tell why the animation sucks, there is a technique called ease in and ease out, which makes the movement more natural by making some movements slow and others faster in the timeline, in this video theres no ease in and ease out
brain4brain: Use VideoFX or try it out in Gemini web
brain4brain: Yes
brain4brain: Chicken jockey
_cloudost: VEO 2?
_cloudost: Who has Veo 2
_cloudost: Does Veo 2 have the image to video feature?
shirethedreamer: ... you mean with those character specifically?
retrerox: There it must be some expensive AF generator in deep web that can doall the crappy stuff that weirdos want
retrerox: Not because he cant, its because is not allowed to
retrerox: Chat gpt cant even do a kiss
retrerox: there is probably even not public Ai that do porn
retrerox: I mean probably
czdct: can it also do nsfw?
czdct: neat
retrerox: Aside from the hads everything is fair decent
retrerox: I got bored and asked qwen to make cartoon
popsiclejohnithan: Yeah that went nowhere didn't it? Failed before it was even implemented.
brain4brain: Every time a world coin announcement get hype, it always ends up announcing something lame
popsiclejohnithan: It'll be breadlines instead.
popsiclejohnithan: Can't do UBI when the economy is entering Hell.
brain4brain: Bro where is the UBI, the recession is beginning and the AGI is being born, the mass layoff is being triggered

https://x.com/alexblania/status/1907861647332618406?s=61
czdct: I hope you're correct since I would love to see and experience it all, but I doubt things will go that fast
popsiclejohnithan: More like two decades at most lol.
czdct: but that's hundreds of years away from now
czdct: yeah, most people would probably either be modded into cyborg looking monstrosities and have dna so customized that modern day humans would look insignificant
czdct: that's why I'm hoping it'll make major breakthroughs in space travel
popsiclejohnithan: I doubt anyone could be considered Human anymore by that time.
czdct: And enforce multi-planetary colonization programs to ensure human survival
nondescriptfaith: Enrichment of all conscious beings
czdct: that doesn't mean that you should use this ASI for literally every problem we have, but in key positions it would be better to have a controllable ASI safeguard our own interest instead of the other way around
czdct: there should be a baseline
czdct: like solving world hunger, and ending the physical killing of humans
czdct: so we need to figure out what actions would benefit all humans on earth


spicy.lemonade: i have labs in my ee class
.histic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aRRYQEb99s
sieventer: Proudly promoted by Sama
sieventer: In fact, 4.5 main skill was "green text"
sieventer: Nah, the greentext thing has been around the last months more and more, before the hack
okbut: This dude used to make tutorials
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNratwOrSiY
okbut: I wonder if the greentext shit was motivated by the 4chan hack
futurist_wizard: its like putting fish flakes in the fish tank
himekokatagiri: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
himekokatagiri: Why did they claim AGI
futurist_wizard: '>be you' boomer green text moment
okbut: Breaking: OAI still far from having AGI
https://x.com/sama/status/1911910628232691947
futurist_wizard: gemini 2.5 pro is a nice runner up tho
himekokatagiri: <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>
futurist_wizard: o3's got nice jiggle physics with its balls
zonchao: hopefully we dont have an o5
sieventer: Oh yeah, that makes sense
ldj: Or a model called o5 never releases, and GPT-5 is when reasoning and fast thinking models get officially merged into one
ldj: https://fxtwitter.com/flavioAd/status/1912580216616034311
himekokatagiri: https://youtu.be/Vm3i_p51wzk
sieventer: I expect GPT-5 in summer
sieventer: Probably GPT-5 will be released even before than o4-full
sieventer: I mean
sieventer: GPT-5 will be released before o5
777agical: yea exactly
777agical: i was expecting preview o4 benchmarks today
.histic: therefore you'd expect them to have full o4 internally already.
why didn't they show the benchmarks for that?
.histic: yeah, i thought o3-mini was a distilled version of full o3
777agical: wasn't it when o3 mini released they also released preview o3 benchmarks?
_cloudost: It's probably internal right now so Deepseek doesn't replicate it
_cloudost: There must be a full model of it
_cloudost: There's o4-mini
.histic: what if full o4 never gets released?
_cloudost:
_cloudost: https://tenor.com/view/tomas-shelby-gif-9632566097741714411
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/ant-sad-stick-disappear-leaving-gif-3212333050776233083
hey1_1hey: Thought so, the exit is up the stairs and on the left
hikukomoru: Yeah
I hate AI actually
You got me
hey1_1hey: What? Dont like AI progress now?
popsiclejohnithan: I think mid May at earliest.


wellmeaningalien: not that ai is necessarily a tool but here it is
alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah
alejandrozarzuelo: Tech
alejandrozarzuelo: Coaching is not new reçu
wellmeaningalien: ai is just the next learning tool
alejandrozarzuelo: But idk why that would be a problem? Human biology won't change
fuhulootogan: i mean tbf the gameboy is ancient
st.sioux: when mercedes creates some innovative tech for f1 the FIA bans it instantly
wellmeaningalien: game console vs plane
wellmeaningalien: thats quite a comparison huh
alejandrozarzuelo: And now they do it by nemorizibh from AI
st.sioux: it gives an unfair competitive advantage, as well as for the sake of preserving human elements and integrity, shadow coaching is already banned in a lot of sports leagues
wellmeaningalien: i mean most chess players learn by memorizing from the greats
fuhulootogan: so yeah
fuhulootogan: to put this into comparison the gameboy was created 30 years later in 1989
fuhulootogan: the blackbird aircraft was created in 1960 capable of going up to mach 3+ and it still stands today as one of the fastest aircrafts
alejandrozarzuelo: It won't matter much
alejandrozarzuelo: So, sure let AI coach l
alejandrozarzuelo: We will never achieve greatness on our own
alejandrozarzuelo: The limit is human weakness
wellmeaningalien: plus does knowledge really belong to ai or does it belong to information itself
fuhulootogan: i think it's pretty obvious technological advancement isn't linear
wellmeaningalien: i think anything that happens outside of a chess game is fair game
wellmeaningalien: tbh
alejandrozarzuelo: The human body ns brain are as limited as they used to be, better coaching only marginally improves human performance since the limiting factor is not knowledge, but biological reality

Now chess players and go players coach with AI, but they are only a bit better than before, their brains did not expand
wellmeaningalien: cuz, THEY WILL
alejandrozarzuelo: Why would they
alejandrozarzuelo: Why
alejandrozarzuelo: ????
fuhulootogan: me neither tbh
st.sioux: idk if theyre doing it already if im being honest
st.sioux: i guess, like f1 cars have like a shitload of metrics and data being sent all the time
fuhulootogan: augmentation?
st.sioux: idk about athletes its too early for that but an ai could already assist coaches pretty heavily specially in sports like f1 or football
a1c4p0ne: It would be boring to watch
fuhulootogan: It wouldn't make sense for ai to take over that
fuhulootogan: What about athletes?
st.sioux: like next year or so
st.sioux: they will probably ban ai coaches in the near future
a1c4p0ne: And sport coaches


literallyvarane: I think it can by nature of doing background paintings?
spicy.lemonade: you have knowledge of all of chess
metaldragon01: Doubt
cmtclx: actually go ahead and try asking it to perform it
spicy.lemonade: most humans wont even get 1 question correct
cmtclx: you could try..
ailoveyoom: Like, maybe one subject is cartoon and the others are photorealistic or something.
fractalcomputer: .
ailoveyoom: This actually reminds me, I wonder if 4o image can do two distinct artyles in one image.
fractalcomputer: Why do you think it is not a fallacy?
cmtclx: theres also implicit malice like was it necessary even

too bad we cant stop raiding eachother as if we were stuck in the bronze age or rather the stone age just raiding eachother over meaningless trivial feuds based on ideas because humans are just control freaks
metaldragon01: Can you reason?

Can you get 100%?
st.sioux: No
hikukomoru: So? it's only a fallacy if the person's authority is not relevant to the argument.
spicy.lemonade: huh? why cant you get a 100% score on the math olympiad
fractalcomputer: The person who happens to provide the most sensible argument.
.histic: cartoonish realism.
like a cat bogging it down like a human would.
literallyvarane: If these models are ultimately aimed at being world/physics simulators for robotics training, there’s not actually much incentive to be good at unrealistic stuff.
spicy.lemonade: who do you trust more some guy on discord or 3 of the greatest minds in history
ailoveyoom: Did you want it in cartoon or something? Or did you want a realistic cat to do cartoonish movements (as a sort of like, Veo 2 video understanding test) ?
fractalcomputer: Yes, there is, since you do not actually provide an argument by which you'd refute the claims of the opposing party.
literallyvarane: Honestly I think this is intentional, and is probably the goal from their perspective
spicy.lemonade: nothing wrong with this
spicy.lemonade: veo2 needs the 4o native image touch
fractalcomputer: You are simply appealing to authority.
.histic: focuses on realism too much
cmtclx: ty <3
.histic: yeah, Veo 2 is garbage at this 💀
spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
spicy.lemonade: including the creator of modern AI himself
spicy.lemonade: each who agree than llms will get us to agi
spicy.lemonade: bro knows more than 3 nobel prize winners
hikukomoru: cute pfp btw 👍
st.sioux: they were just incompetent
st.sioux: they were using an outdated version of php, they never bothered to patch it
hikukomoru: Hey oomfie
cmtclx: so much this lol just conspiracy crazies and/or nazis and bots saying the same stuff as the former plus porn accounts
spicy.lemonade: when they coudlnt do algebra last year
spicy.lemonade: then why are models able to score high on mathematical olympiads?
hikukomoru: waow
Deepmind should hire you since you know so much more than them


_3sphere: Komoru goon cave exceeding the age of the Lascaux cave paintings after life extension
hikukomoru: Nothing changes
hikukomoru: I'll be gooning like always either way
st.sioux: yessir
hey1_1hey: We gotta get AI to solve physics then <:Ted:1136265390549381253>
st.sioux: transistors cant get much smaller without running into quantum tunneling
hey1_1hey: I mean physical limits? Physicial limits to what? The GPU size, the way we make them, the transistor size? I remmeber reading a story about an AI that desgined a new chip for itself that was so crazy and nonsensical that no human would've thought about it because it goes against all desgine principlies but it was on par or even better than some human made chip desgines.

I'd have to double check the validity to that though
st.sioux: which is what we saw with 4000 series -> 5000 series
st.sioux: or at least performance increases will slow down drastically with each new generation
st.sioux: we're hitting the physical limits of gpu design so future bottlenecks may start coming from software rather than hardware very soon
hey1_1hey: I wonder what I will be doing when I am 20 (2 years from now~)
hey1_1hey: 2027? Wait until 2028
zonchao: <:shockedd:1080470202564739092>
zonchao: 2026??? imagine 2027
hey1_1hey: If you think this is crazy wait until this next year
hey1_1hey: Really should of. I usually tend to downplay new hardware in my head because I mostly thinks its just algorithms but hardware (TPUs and GPUs) obv play a role in AI
metaldragon01: But yes things are really rolling now
metaldragon01: The chip improvement should have really caught your eye
hey1_1hey: O3 full and o4 mini coming out this week
hey1_1hey: The acceleartion recently has been crazy, 3 new OAI models, gemini 2.5, RSI glimsies
metaldragon01: All the labs have something similar
metaldragon01: Yes google has a crazy feedback loop atm
hey1_1hey: https://fxtwitter.com/slow_developer/status/1911907316099916038 RSI?
wellmeaningalien:
gamerbath: scroll a bit up
gamerbath: hell yeah
spicy.lemonade: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
spicy.lemonade: Gpt 5 summer
spicy.lemonade:
wellmeaningalien: <:facewithrollingeyes:1201354325511901296>
wellmeaningalien: send me her @ ur just missing out on the opportunity to play with a hot chick
darkstar0818: we dont need agi for this.  Half of the real humans are just glorified chat bots anyway.
sieventer: ¡Hola, hoja!
otub: hi siev
st.sioux: agi just to troll scammers
darkstar0818: with a good UI where you can just sick the AI on any scammer for any media.
darkstar0818: We need a AI fine tunned on trolling scammers.
sieventer: Side mission
darkstar0818: bro accepted the challange
sieventer: Awesome.


wolf3404: When I build my company headquarters i will order it from them
precariousworlds.: This can actually be a positive in some situations
Africa in colonial times was way more politically and economically stable than in the present (not to gloss over the crimes of this period as well)
precariousworlds.: Something I can see potentially happening in a US-China Cold War during the Singularity is a massive return to imperialism among these two powers, carving up mainly Africa and south Asia for resources to fuel the next era of civilisation
sarik0497: ^ It'll indeed cause problems for a lot of people somewhere in the world. Keep in mind that the rich don't really give away stuff "just because". It'll take, blood, sweat, and tears for many.
precariousworlds.: in a post-scarcity world
precariousworlds.: These can be built easily
precariousworlds.: Primary reason for this is political instability and lack of institutions
memlaswaif: Most people r parroting it because it's the popular opinion
ailoveyoom: Will post-scarcity close that gap? Make it bigger?
ailoveyoom: Okay but some people still die of starvation 😔
precariousworlds.: I find this to be an indicator of modern pessimism that the automatic response by most people to innovation is "but the rich will only get it". Basic economic history debunks this
wolf3404: I love it
precariousworlds.: this company is so sick
The architecture of the future will be a beautiful marriage of past and present
Imagine Brutalism combined with Roman classicism, with sleek glass
sarik0497: To be fair, it likely stems from people not believing that a post-scarcity society is possible with our current system, to which I kind of understand.

In their eyes, AI will likely only be used to give the wealthiest of the world even more power and control and cause job-loss and a poorer QoL for the average Joe.
_cloudost: https://tenor.com/view/cat-side-eye-gif-5016118126108679217
wolf3404: be right back placing an order for giant futuristic space cathedral
ailoveyoom: Calmest AI bro 😭
shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/daddy-chill-stop-gif-15416847
_cloudost: we should enslave them
_cloudost: " I would rather be a slave than AI taking over my job" -Antis
_cloudost: they also say God isnt real, the concept of soul is silly and not based on reality but when it comes to AI, SUDDENLY THEY SAY AI IS SOULLESS
manmarshall_92172: When has hypocrisy ever been a problem for politicians?
_cloudost: The same people that complain about AI also complain how capitalism is slavery where you have to spend half of your life working like a slave
_cloudost: then maybe Gemini 2.5
spicy.lemonade: It’s much more complicated
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: Not at all
spicy.lemonade: No
manmarshall_92172: Could AGI being achieved disrupt AI progress rather than promote it? Look at the art bros crying about their skills becoming obsolete. Soon, quant bros, code bros, voice actor bros, and a variety of other people will start crying, too. It will become a political issue, and regulations will drop in. Politicians will argue that banning AI could save jobs and stabilize the economy.
_cloudost: Gemini 2 can easily do this
spicy.lemonade: It’s a steam game
spicy.lemonade: arc agi but 3d
spicy.lemonade: lol this could become a new agi benchmark holdup

https://fxtwitter.com/walaber/status/1905992141194879192?s=46
_cloudost: we need to arrest antis ASAP
_cloudost: Why does openAI seem submissive, did they really remove the ghibili style from their NIG?
precariousworlds.: like the ones in china who are already chess grandmasters
ailoveyoom: Have you seen some 6 year olds tho
memlaswaif: when I was 6 I used to bully my disabled baby cousin
precariousworlds.: but less so than ants
precariousworlds.: 6 year olds are retarded


perish0801: I’ve figured it out
himekokatagiri: What's up
spicy.lemonade: Hey
himekokatagiri: <@471334973379706900> hello lemons
xskydragon0: pplx for me it's closer to GPT than Manus. But I don't have access to Manus to confirm it <:pepethink:1136282436242788482>
perish0801: Not ours
perish0801: Isnt it doing stuff on its own computer
perish0801: I looked up manus
perish0801: I see
zonchao: isnt manus just another pplx 🤔
xskydragon0: You can create a bot on Python that's make a call on OpenAI API. The bot can analyze the site and post something you want to.

But if you want a AI control your computer, maybe only with Manus.
xskydragon0: I'm on Manus's waitlist <:catcry:1187466366006087862>
perish0801: I see
xskydragon0: Maybe you need a API of OpenAI, that's works for you too.
trojan09205: My brother was raving about Manus this weekend
perish0801: Oh I’ll look it up
trojan09205: Look into Manus AI

It doesnt control your machine, but it can spin up virtual machines of different flavors
perish0801: Like operator of OpenAI
perish0801: But there’s no software that just lets an AI just take control of the PC and navigate on its own
trojan09205: Making a single post is different than setting up a stateful chatbot
perish0801: I see
trojan09205: I mean not necessarily. You could set it up to let an LLM do the posting for you and it can think in real time

Just add the API backend for the llm as the content generator
perish0801: No I want like an LLM to talk and act like a human
perish0801: Oh that’s like plan ahead comments and posts?
perish0801: I’m sure we have the tech
trojan09205: You would need to first get API/developer access to the specific site. Then you can set up a timed query/post request via maybe a CRON or Airflow job
perish0801: If we don’t have that tech someone should make it
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/harvey-dent-die-a-hero-or-live-long-enough-to-see-yourself-become-the-villian-gif-21468252
perish0801: Just post stuff
perish0801: On different sites
perish0801: On the internet
perish0801: Comment on stuff
xskydragon0: I'm hope you can change somethings to humanity in future, I'm trying to study a lot of AI. But has so many things to learn...
perish0801: Like if I want it to open Twitter on my browser and Ragebait people?
trojan09205: What sort of actions
spicy.lemonade: Depends on what you want to
Do. For General use case We don't have that technology yet
perish0801: Great advice
trojan09205: Program it
perish0801: How do I do that
perish0801: Like let a bot do stuff with my pc while I’m away


zoermena: FOOM is imminent
zoermena: And next year that happens they'll be insanely cheap because feel the AGI
futurist_wizard: 5 is plausible
zoermena: It's good enough for me to buy it I think
xskydragon0: C'mon <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>
xskydragon0: So we are safe for now?
zoermena: tomorrow
zonchao: https://x.com/DrJimFan/status/1914681494385360959?
.histic: bruh, o3 thought for 8-mins and just said
.histic: interesting
.histic:
.histic: no one?
realelonmuskx: no one does
realelonmuskx: it doesnt
.histic: i'm going to see if o3 gets it
realelonmuskx: yes if u want to check answers, site is ass
.histic: do you've to log in?
xskydragon0: Hello Guys! Just for a slightly check, are we too far away from AGI or in five years we will achieve it? I'm a little disturbed right now. I'm read a lot of articles, and I' don't know anymore.
realelonmuskx: nah the page just checks if its correct or no
realelonmuskx: my $20 sub finna cost them $20,000 lmao
.histic: how can you verify
.histic: don't you need to know the answer though?
himekokatagiri: 8m wasted
himekokatagiri: lol
realelonmuskx: o4 mini high
himekokatagiri: like only an intellectual can solve them
himekokatagiri: the latest benchmarks are incomprehensible
realelonmuskx: basically the top project euler problems by difficulty
realelonmuskx: i dont really know, it just says incorrect. when it says correct its joever. agi achieved
.histic: o3 using tools might be very close
himekokatagiri: I hope we get something this week
.histic: of course ai fails at this
.histic: oh, it involves lot of computation.
himekokatagiri: beats meeee.
.histic: what's the answer
realelonmuskx: the day ai solves this its over
trojan09205: thanks homie gonna look into it
.histic: try Old.
it's a horror thriller that is interesting.
st.sioux: 😦
trojan09205: gonna check it out


hey1_1hey: Are you a cuck?
hikukomoru: It's the age of short kings 👑
maintcrew: maybe a sign u live in a bubble
technocake.: we are speciating
zoermena: Yeah I think I have strong eboy potential
hey1_1hey: You'd think femboy was the new normal with the amount I see
hey1_1hey: Tell that to people I know
mihrcelium: Chalamet has made twink energy popular, for sure.
maintcrew: i think its crazy how consistent 4o is with it and its internal world model
futurist_wizard: Wouldn't say femboys lol
hey1_1hey: Not a joke either
technocake.: except when you're a pussy but the hardmen start on you because you're tall
zoermena: I meant to say manlet I edited it.
hey1_1hey: I only get laid if I dress as a femboy
hey1_1hey: Can confirm
futurist_wizard: On tik tok and insta
hikukomoru: Femboys and twinks are popular with young women
hey1_1hey: I dont want to be manley apart from when i want to feel manley
futurist_wizard: Go look at all the eboys
futurist_wizard: The twinkish aesthetic would be most desired today by girls, especially if they are under 30
zoermena: I don’t want to be a twink full but I don’t want to be to big either, I don’t want to be a Manlet
wellmeaningalien: 💀 💀 💀 they could not tell its AI
hikukomoru: Twinks r hot
hey1_1hey: Komoru I am arresting you on the suspicion of tampering with goods and services
hikukomoru: It's me, I'm woke mind virus
maintcrew: TRUE AND REAL
alejandrozarzuelo: dude lmao thats so not ttrue
hey1_1hey: ITS THE WOKE MIND VIRUS
maintcrew: its not the government is komoru lol wake up
zoermena: Im bi and you are wrong I think
futurist_wizard: That's not true lol
hikukomoru: <@465177408073498634> are you straight
hey1_1hey: Usually when I am high I tend to convince myself that the goverment has spiked my weed with fent
zoermena: I got sick last week and it fucked me up
zoermena: I will to get back to the routine today I woke up earlier but at the same time I also want to be like a femboy
hey1_1hey: Or how femenine I am feeling
hey1_1hey: Thats a big fucking mushroom
hikukomoru: He wants to be a twink bro leave him be
alejandrozarzuelo: your height depends on how high you are
maintcrew: <@430269783112548362> defend urself ailoveyoom


gamerbath: idk, it says 79 for 3.7 sonnet but i'm always getting ~40
spicy.lemonade: Of “why is he like this”
wellmeaningalien: hard
spicy.lemonade: There’s been a lot of captions
spicy.lemonade: No the image
777agical:
wellmeaningalien: oh
drewsni: im actually calling bs on that lol
wellmeaningalien:
wellmeaningalien: O3 LEVEL PERFORMANCE AND SO CHEAP AND FAST
drewsni: it took longer to complete the 2.5 pro deepguessr runs than it did any other model, not including the rate limit
gamerbath: holy moly. If I knew it was that fast I would be using it already
drewsni: nah i straight up dont believe that
wellmeaningalien: WTF IS GOOGLE COOKING
wellmeaningalien: THE BEST MODEL ON ARTIFICIAL ANALYSIS & LIVEBENCH AND ONLY SECOND BEHIND GEMINI 2.0 FLASH IN SPEED
wellmeaningalien: GEMINI 2.5 PRO OUTPUT SPEED
hikukomoru: who
ailoveyoom: I guess this is OAI's Veo vs Sora moment lol
drewsni: like i kinda feel bad for them now
drewsni: all the online google employees are so mad
.histic:
st.sioux: who
spicy.lemonade: Why is he like this
wellmeaningalien: it never gets old
wellmeaningalien: OK FUCK IT 4 MORE ONES
archon.e: Im tired of cooking meals
archon.e: When are we going to get replicators?
clevermoniker: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
gamerbath: 4o continues to amaze me
wellmeaningalien: i swear to god this the last image i post
archon.e: Only thing that is going to matter from now on is agency. The ability to just get shit done
wellmeaningalien: ok this is kinda cute wtf
archon.e: I have been having an existential crisis for the past month thinking about all this
clevermoniker: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
archon.e: Robots can’t get here soon enough
archon.e: Wish it could also do the decor for me
archon.e: I am going to make it do my house from my plan and do interior
spicy.lemonade: Location
spicy.lemonade: Kitchen
spicy.lemonade: It got everything


spicy.lemonade: eh doesnt really count
callmepyro: Introduced in 2019 I believe?
spicy.lemonade: ?
spicy.lemonade: after creation
callmepyro: Other than ARC-AGI 🙂
spicy.lemonade: all benchmarks get saturated between 2 years
spicy.lemonade: law of benchmarks
spicy.lemonade: yes
callmepyro: Ah, he's guessing. Still, interesting that he thinks they could push it that far off of just quintupling the compute used for the 85% in ARC-AGI-1
spicy.lemonade: Francis: "And we haven't been able to test o3 on high-compute settings. At all.", "I can make a guess. I guess based on what we saw on o3-low & other models. I think you might get up to like 15 maybe even 20% if you were maxing out the compute setting and spending like 10K per task for instance".
spicy.lemonade: https://youtu.be/M3b59lZYBW8?si=kNHtcqPY9ZjdY9_L&t=2063
spicy.lemonade: forgot ehre he said let me check
spicy.lemonade: francois
callmepyro: Oh? Source? It's not in their blog post
spicy.lemonade: on arc 2
spicy.lemonade: o3 gets around 20%
spicy.lemonade: yeah
callmepyro: Meant ARC-AGI-2. Edited.
metaldragon01: New deepseek beating grok in arc agi and close to sonnet
metaldragon01: https://x.com/teortaxesTex/status/1904399112067227703
callmepyro: Don't LLMs also grow up seeing patterns? Wondering on your thoughts here about how to consider a model that can *only* learn statistical correlations in data as 'seeing patterns' or not
spicy.lemonade: and the rest fall
spicy.lemonade: like remove a color block
spicy.lemonade: yeah like one of the arc2 problems is gravity based
spicy.lemonade: expensive asf tho
professorheaven: Well growing up humans see patterns all the time, you see it in stores, restaurants, museums, school literally everywhere and years and years of all those interactions have trained us for ARC-AGI. LLMs don’t have that same luxury so naturally it’ll be a lot harder
spicy.lemonade: 15-20
spicy.lemonade: o3 full gets around 20%
callmepyro: So that makes this pretty interesting that a random guy off the street can absolutely dominate o3 in ARC-AGI-2 with a 30% socre
callmepyro: And o3 gets 87.7% if I remember correctly
professorheaven: Last time I checked the average person doesn’t have a PhD
professorheaven: 0
callmepyro: What score would the average person get on GPQA?
spicy.lemonade: and even they got 60%
spicy.lemonade: iirc
spicy.lemonade: also the test takers were taken from top unis
spicy.lemonade: and i think the average person encountered on street would get like 30%
spicy.lemonade: arc2 is considerably harder
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: it's a small update compared to what's coming
metaldragon01: From a price perspective


spicy.lemonade: he said feel the agi
spicy.lemonade: or do olympiad maths
spicy.lemonade: the average human doesnt code
spicy.lemonade: coding and math benchmarks have nothing to do with feeling the agi
spicy.lemonade: what?
ai9708: oh, that invalidates all the benchmarks im sure
spicy.lemonade: so im confused on your statement
spicy.lemonade: gpt 4.5 was the onlyAi to pass an official turing test
spicy.lemonade: ?
spicy.lemonade: https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-turing-test-has-a-problem-and-openais-gpt-4-5-just-exposed-it/
ai9708: of that copium
spicy.lemonade: ?
ai9708: about to overdose soon
ai9708: brother you got to lower the dosis a bit
spicy.lemonade: and demis doesnt need to hype because his parent company doesnt sink or float based on sucess of his ai
spicy.lemonade: he didnt lie tho
ai9708: demis hassabis does not feel the need to lie though
st.sioux: has to hype
st.sioux: guy is a billionaire ceo
seventales: everyone has a different agi definition
spicy.lemonade: and others didnt
spicy.lemonade: passecd turing test
spicy.lemonade: a paper officialy proved gpt 4.5
spicy.lemonade: technically he wasnt wrong lol
spicy.lemonade: i mean
spicy.lemonade: ?
ai9708: after that "agi felt internally with gpt4.5" stunt
ai9708: i dont trust anything sam says anymore
spicy.lemonade: nah
spicy.lemonade: this could double its frontier math score
spicy.lemonade: built in
spicy.lemonade: like lean
spicy.lemonade: gpt 5 needs to have an internal proof verifier
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: was looking at math benchmarks
trey6033: Google's cloud conference is on Tuesday, and they've been hyping up info on that
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: their 32 b model is above o1 pro
spicy.lemonade: they do
spicy.lemonade: qwen has good chance at sota


hikukomoru: Gn babe 🫦 🫦
Dream of me
wellmeaningalien: what did blud mean by dat
wellmeaningalien: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721822381727023247/1338575135300653128/ezgif-3-3157e9a8bd.gif
oooooooooog: gn st dltbbb
wellmeaningalien: im gonna sleep gn everyone
wellmeaningalien: ok komoru
hikukomoru: I’ve seen much hotter dog girls
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/minion-sigma-muscle-fire-smoking-gif-13767787376988329360
oooooooooog: obviously since asi is 2025
wellmeaningalien: nah i think given enough time humans could or couldnt solve aging, i can't know myself, but it surely proves quite difficult for us. i think its more realistic that ASI does it before we ever get to
.wolfnacht: meanwhile every new lofi and ambient music cover on youtube is AI made landscape. and they look much better
hikukomoru: “Appeal to-“ Shut the fuck up oog
3ds0662: that as soon as i get into cursor coding they downgrade, cheapskate and truncate everything as the mass of their users increased during the vibecoding movement
oooooooooog: no i dont
3ds0662: you know what does make me mad
otub: is
otub: creator of gravity falls alex hirsch
oooooooooog: thats probably because you don't look very hard
.histic: 🤮
spicy.lemonade: Only the shit ones
spicy.lemonade: I haven't seen an actual good artist mad at AI
.wolfnacht: Yikes!
spicy.lemonade: Come to think of it
spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
spicy.lemonade: The one you posted is ai slop
spicy.lemonade: Trust
spicy.lemonade: This is better bro
3ds0662: 100,000 geniuses in a datacenter at scale can
.wolfnacht: i wish anti-aging comes soon, bcz then people would get the right to die, based on their will. Euthanasia is there but there's alot of paper work involved
.histic: what's the origins of that pfp?
oooooooooog: that's the same as saying "neurons arent smart enough to solve aging on their own"
oooooooooog: obviously, but that's only because ASI is so soon
3ds0662: or 2035
3ds0662: maybe young people born 2030
.wolfnacht: and dat furry shit "authentic art"
3ds0662: i dont think even young people today  will reap the effects of anti aging research until singularity has been achieved or asi
.wolfnacht:
.wolfnacht: imagine calling this "AI SLOP"
wellmeaningalien: ok i can sort of get behind that now
memlaswaif: poog u r falling for bait


hikukomoru: What about robo romance
himekokatagiri: marriage is a scam
hey1_1hey: Thats- thats even worse no?
himekokatagiri: yeah but would you marry someone
himekokatagiri: hmmm
hey1_1hey: I did and then all of a sudden 2 of the most beautiful people I have ever seen in my entire life come out of the wood works.
hikukomoru:
destrucules: Aro ace is valid
mantegh5061: so
mantegh5061: no no , they deleted their account but i dreamt about them
himekokatagiri: nah I never got into it
futurist_wizard: At 20 lmao
himekokatagiri: romance is DEAD
futurist_wizard: We all are here technically
himekokatagiri: I give up on romance
hey1_1hey: Or bodering on stalking
futurist_wizard: That's some dedication
hikukomoru: That's me
I'm schizo
hey1_1hey: Schzio alert?
hey1_1hey: Wasn't gay enough because I didn't know about it
mantegh5061: I tried to find someones for like 5 hours
mantegh5061: I don't think reverse image is that good though
hikukomoru: Turing was gay
And he did things, and stuff
or something
hey1_1hey: What, why
destrucules: In every one of those papers, LLMs are shown to spontaneously pursue goals by planning ahead and strategizing about their environment, and the models successfully carry out these plans. In about half of those papers, the model is given an explicit goal, and the agency pertains to that goal. In the other half, the models exhibit emergent goals not explicitly given to them by anyone. The longest time horizons are from the Sleeper Agents paper, which shows models making decisions in the present for goal states that won't be achieved for several billion tokens in the future.
mantegh5061: fair
hey1_1hey: You got me
futurist_wizard: There are schizos in here
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/table-hit-yakuza-hitting-table-walk-out-gif-15307369
zoermena: I’ve seen how AI explained already made comments on models being good enough to do strategic planning. We can also hook them up with external tools to use it in long term agentic frameworks. I don’t think that we necessarily have to wait for the official release.
futurist_wizard: You shouldn't send people's photos in here
hikukomoru: Those are the only papers I might be able to read if they were real
ailoveyoom: Create the Official r/singularity Discord server
st.sioux: are you sure? have you read gay awesomeness paper? or the gay reductiveness paper? or the gay studies paper?
hey1_1hey: No its not, name one good thing a gay person has done <:Alan:1136264610161365003>
hikukomoru: And that's okay
Gay is awesome 👍
himekokatagiri: shit
himekokatagiri: many such cases
himekokatagiri: be gay do singularity
hey1_1hey: Can confirm


ldj: I see, I'll watch the full thing <a:mhm:1241863658284253264>
i'm only at the 15 min mark rn
drewsni: which is fine, its just im disappointed is all
drewsni: I just think that like 6 months ago bryan had the opportunity to pivot to more science, and instead he doubled down on whoop/bioclocks
drewsni: That was his argument for sure. But derek countered with saying that bryan is trying to somewhat advertise blueprint as a way to measure and improve actual health markers, and that bio clock isnt a health market in anyway, just a competition like you said.
ldj: and I have a hard time seeing people becoming competitive as much about particular blood work results, it's a much more multi-faceted and cumbersome thing to compete with eachother against, (even though it migth be objectively a better measure of health).
ldj: I haven't watched the interview yet, but I think a good counter-argument which Bryan maybe used is that the mimetics of having the bio clock become a popularized thing is arguably something that is much easier for people to latch on to and serve as a gateway for people to get pulled into the movement, and is more likely to form a cultural competitive dynamic of bioclocks against eachother. As opposed to people being convinced by something more complex like blood results.
drewsni: And also im not a fan of the "large study" he ran last year with the hundreds of blueprint subs
drewsni: Studies both with bryan himself with multiple instances of changing medications or protocols during the side effect period. Derek also was on the opinion that bryan should drop the bio clock altogether, which i agree with, and instead push blueprint members to opt strictly for blood tests instead.
ldj: Was derek talking about studies as-in, with multiple people? or did he just mean like creating better written case-studies of his bryans self-experiments.
drewsni: oh, it was the conclusion, derek pressed him on why he didnt do more with studies and why he was so focused on the bio clock which is not a great indicator, and more just like a whoop category imo.
metaldragon01: I think it takes untill next year to sat tbh. Hope im wrong though
ldj: <:lookup:1127463050874728538>
drewsni: i do appreciate him championing health + ai tho
drewsni: Yeah, and i fully get that im being comparatively harsher on him than i would most people, but i do expect him to go that extra mile if he can
ldj: I think it would be best to change certain things in the protocol, but they're keeping it within certain cost constraints as well as vegan constraints, so I guess I don't blame em. Still probably the single best overall mix you can get online though.
drewsni: im still gonna buy his multivitamins tho
drewsni: i just wish he'd dedicate more to doing actual science is all since he has the means to do it
ldj: was it a particular part of the episode, or just the conclusion you ended up on after finishing it.
drewsni: i dont like hate the guy
ldj: ah ok fair
drewsni: what got me to change my mind was the 4 hour more plates more dates podcast
ldj: https://youtu.be/OqlPU1CKEpI?si=v0NZ14qSRhbZmHA-
ldj: he's had interviews that go on for 4 hours and beyond, but here is one on the shorter end that seems like it covers the general points well:
ldj: unfortunately if you already dislike the guy, then it'll be kinda hard to convince yourself to sit down and watch some long form content of him talking, so maybe my comment is fruitless <:shrug:1083221317945413777>
ldj: I'd recommend watching some of the long form content he's been involved with if you haven't yet. I'd say he's actually not even very quirky or weird at all, and very level headed and thoughtful about things. The short form surface level content ends up giving a very different vibe though.
realelonmuskx: nvidia stock plumetting
realelonmuskx: gemini tpus also getting cooked
realelonmuskx: ill make a script so sora is always 2/2 generating Ghibli twink drawings
.histic: also, if you get the pro subscription, just keep spam outputting o1-pro.
OpenAI will become bankrupt in a day. 😇
.histic: if you have a subscription, go to sora.com and use the image generator there, which is powered by 4o.
you can get two outputs instead of one and queue another two to generate simultaneously, making four outputs at the same time. and using sora.com has basically no rate limits.
realelonmuskx: how can we spam cook open ai gpus
destrucules: Or whatever saturation is
destrucules: Almost certainly 100% by December unless we slow down
destrucules: So I'd say at this rate we'll hit 30% sota zero shot score in July, 50% in late August, and saturation a few months later
brain4brain: <:based:1136264604788473946> <:based:1136264604788473946> <:based:1136264604788473946>
destrucules: So 4.5 and below is all noise
destrucules: Note that the noise floor is like 6%
.histic: fuck, i wish i could use o1-pro
drewsni: I think a lot of what he’s doing is a pr pivot. But he’s one cave diving pedo calling incident away from being on the same trajectory as Elon was on 2018
a1c4p0ne:


hey1_1hey: NOVEL IDEAS
neon01197: "zooming in on figure 3" dey cookd
ailoveyoom: <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
st.sioux: eeeek
hey1_1hey: THIS SHIT GOES CRAZY
.0xunkn0wn: omggggg
hey1_1hey: WOW
zoermena: No way?
hey1_1hey: Thats some imagees
spicy.lemonade: IM NUTING
hikukomoru: Greg said "AGI is here"
hey1_1hey: I need more infomation in my ears
hey1_1hey: These guys need to talk faster
hey1_1hey: Lets run it
spicy.lemonade: YOOOO
ailoveyoom: What did they say before I came?
futurist_wizard: It still can't suck me, it's worthless
spicy.lemonade: HES TALKING ABOUT WHAT I POSTED
hey1_1hey: Give me benchamrks I beg
zoermena: Does this warrant a jizz
spicy.lemonade: THATS THE PAPER I POSTED ON REDDIT
drewsni: this is actually hype lol
a1c4p0ne: Image is solved
spicy.lemonade: dude
zoermena: <a:dance_123:1315547409442537555>
hey1_1hey: Boutta bust
hey1_1hey: YOOOOOOOOOO
spicy.lemonade: YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
callmepyro: Guesses at stats? I think 85% on SWE Bench
spicy.lemonade: THINKING WITH IMAGE
.0xunkn0wn: OMG
.0xunkn0wn: yooooo
hey1_1hey: Thats big
hikukomoru: GET ON THE STREAM NOW
drewsni: ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT DEEPGUESSR???????????
st.sioux: i just lost my job
futurist_wizard: Nothing has happened yet
drewsni: DEEPGUESSR MENTION?????????????
ailoveyoom: Didn't it just start 😭
hey1_1hey: Its been real


wellmeaningalien: gonna tell ur teachers
spicy.lemonade: +picture of coffee
spicy.lemonade: -> go to urgent care and get doctors note for nausea and headache
spicy.lemonade: Ok my plan
.histic: or.. lots of caffeine maybe lol
.histic: a bat to the head
spicy.lemonade: Guys how do you give yourself a headache
spicy.lemonade: “Let me get 2 hours of sleep before this”
spicy.lemonade: Actually hype
spicy.lemonade: Was so ready
spicy.lemonade: Got 95% on practice midterm
spicy.lemonade: So i studied like crap
spicy.lemonade: I’d get a c
spicy.lemonade: And if I didn’t get an A on this one
st.sioux: oh spisy
spicy.lemonade: Also I did bad on first
spicy.lemonade: A lot actually
technocake.: its a midterm how much can it be worth
spicy.lemonade: But seriously I set 5 alarms
spicy.lemonade: “I overslept”
spicy.lemonade: They won’t let me retake
spicy.lemonade: Haha no
technocake.: no you need to own your mistake imo
spicy.lemonade: I need to say I drank coffee but not in a way to make it seem like my fault
spicy.lemonade: Hm should I say I drank too much coffee
spicy.lemonade: Let’s go
spicy.lemonade: Ok I have a plan
.wolfnacht: https://www.404media.co/facebook-pushes-its-llama-4-ai-model-to-the-right-wants-to-present-both-sides/

imagine asking L4 to write a song and it writes "ERIKAAAA 🦅"
futurist_wizard: I miss the taste of coffee
spicy.lemonade: I can use this
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: This was my schedule yesterday
spicy.lemonade: I’m just gonna say I didn’t have this resistance
spicy.lemonade: Also this is over 2 days
spicy.lemonade: I didn’t know
st.sioux: if they dont care about stress why woudl they care about u drinking too much coffee
spicy.lemonade: Prof doesn’t care about stress
technocake.: heart palpitations
spicy.lemonade: This is Berkeley
technocake.: mm and extreme stress


himekokatagiri:
floortom_9: Are there any good computer use agents that are actually usable ?
plushie4987: have we any word about what full o4 looks like?
futurist_wizard: okay well im just taking it from the mouth of tim cook himself, he says its because of the skill which is why china is chosen
alejandrozarzuelo: its not a "we took this to poor countries", that ws the original idea

now it is "we have this in countries that have specialized on this supply chain even if they were to be just as rich as us"
alejandrozarzuelo: but they dont
alejandrozarzuelo: the iphones could be made there
alejandrozarzuelo: like, if america had the logicstics, infrastructure and automation china has, the fact that americans command somewhat higher salaries wouldnt matter much
st.sioux: they have the best supply chain
alejandrozarzuelo: china has quite high wages
alejandrozarzuelo: but nowadays its because of logistics infrastructure and automation
alejandrozarzuelo: the reason originally was that
alejandrozarzuelo: no
alejandrozarzuelo: if that was the case, then phone manufacturing could move to other countries, skill and wages arent unique
futurist_wizard: its both
futurist_wizard: its also skill
alejandrozarzuelo: you think electronics manufacturing is in chna because they are cheap?
floortom_9: Does anybody have any idea what Deepmind has made of Project Mariner? Is it neglected? Haven't heard any news since
st.sioux: i believe iphomes should be at least 10k
.wolfnacht: i believe that americans paying 4000 dollars for an Iphone is a good thing.
zonchao: yea but i dont think its 3.5k
futurist_wizard: why do you think manufacturing went to other countries and left america? BECAUSE THEY CAN DO IT CHEAPER
zonchao: they are happening and we dont have any details yet
gamerbath: I am not familiar with these deals. I have heard of trump threatening china with additional tariffs if china adds tariffs to the US
futurist_wizard: Again, American companies have to pay these tariffs, they are going to throw the tariffs at the consumer
futurist_wizard: They literally are, to incentivize the manufacturing in your home country if importing goods isn't economically viable
zonchao: with other countries and china
gamerbath: deals?
zonchao: hopefully the deals happen, seems like it will
gamerbath: I don't think the only point of the tariffs is to raise prices for consumers
futurist_wizard: Well somebody has to pay the tariffs? The whole point of a tariff is to raise prices
zonchao: i dont believe the 3.5k iphone shit
zonchao: tsmc nvidia <:shockedd:1080470202564739092>
gamerbath: but that lowers their amount of sales, so they should lose out on money. everything is about money so why wouldn't they try to bring manufacturing to the US? it would mean they have less expenses
futurist_wizard: The tariffs aren't big enough to make it economically viable all companies are going to do is just up the cost of goods so consumers pay the tariff
himekokatagiri: If there's no choice they will pay
gamerbath: there's no labour shortage
gamerbath: people don't want to work? but they have to
gamerbath: why not? with the tariffs a lot of companies will pretty much be forced to
futurist_wizard: And people don't want to work in factories