hikukomoru: Ray Kurz
st.sioux: a very singular perspective
fractalcomputer: It makes for incredible perspective.
alejandrozarzuelo: i also like to dine with my friends all of us on the same side of a ridiculously long table so we have the hardest time talking to each other
fractalcomputer:
retrerox: We need the singularity pope
hikukomoru: Good
There's already too many people
alejandrozarzuelo: previous consensuses on the fertility societies converge have been lowered, and its hard to make a case for that number to be above 1.5, to have LEV or to join the hivemind are a matter of existential necessity for the human race, not just a matter of convenience
alejandrozarzuelo: if we leave humanity to its own devices, no singularity or any technology beyonf 2025 one available in the forseeable future, our numbers will plummet very fast
alejandrozarzuelo: female freedom and social wellbeing are inextricably linked to low fertility rates
_cloudost: in the future Musk will make it mandatory for every citizen above 18 to have artificial ovaries so he can impregnate all citizens with his DNA
alejandrozarzuelo: thanks to a recent wave of access to the internet and exposure to liberating ideology, places like latin america, southeast asia and india are all cratering in their fertility, africa's high fertility persistence comes from their backwardness and lack of freedom
destrucules: Global fertility is rapidly declining
alejandrozarzuelo: in any case, the demographic situation of humanity is certainly very unstable
st.sioux: he wants a specific demographic's birth rates to go up, not others
alejandrozarzuelo: also he doesnt like that
alejandrozarzuelo: not necessarily
himekokatagiri: idk
himekokatagiri: but he needs the cash now
himekokatagiri: he does see that
himekokatagiri: it's true
_cloudost: Idk why Musk doesnt see that
_cloudost: Also if the singularity happens giving birth will be outdated
_cloudost: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1914640691633717284 doesn't Musk know some other parts of the world already have high fertility rate? LMAO
destrucules: Tell o3 that effective compute is backed out from downstream performance, which follows predictable scaling laws with compute. Effective compute can be captured by "how much would I need to scale the GPT-4 architecture itself to achieve the same downstream performance milestones as Gemini 2.5 Pro?"
spicy.lemonade: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
spicy.lemonade: Means hella papers
spicy.lemonade: Guys its iclr week
spicy.lemonade: Wow
st.sioux: > Dia has been tested on only GPUs (pytorch 2.0+, CUDA 12.6). CPU support is to be added soon. The initial run will take longer as the Descript Audio Codec also needs to be downloaded.
>
> On enterprise GPUs, Dia can generate audio in real-time. On older GPUs, inference time will be slower. For reference, on a A4000 GPU, Dia roughly generates 40 tokens/s (86 tokens equals 1 second of audio). torch.compile will increase speeds for supported GPUs.
>
> The full version of Dia requires around 10GB of VRAM to run. We will be adding a quantized version in the future.
spicy.lemonade: https://x.com/tencenthunyuan/status/1914484301820788949?s=46
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: https://fxtwitter.com/altryne/status/1914421814455099680?s=46
alejandrozarzuelo: At least in my environment it's mostly people being productive
spicy.lemonade: I think it did
spicy.lemonade: Character Ai?
spicy.lemonade: And the visuals too
spicy.lemonade: AI 2027 is so concrete I love it
spicy.lemonade: A lot of us here go based on vibes
spicy.lemonade: And one of them is the #1 ranked forecaster on earth


retrerox: We should ask ai...
st.sioux: dog
zonchao: what is this
a1c4p0ne:
Autogun Heroes#6410:
zonchao: ❌
realelonmuskx: who wants to mate we must ensure the continuation of the species
sieventer: I'll answer in off topic
zonchao: please <#1136231504440201216>
shirethedreamer: its funny that every one cheering for this right now doesn't exactly grasp that that same system is going to be used against them in the very near future...for behavior and actions that you are not going to perceive is wrong or illegal at the time
think twice before critiquing your ruling party or even the extremists opposition while the system is monitoring you (while its officially just looking for illegals). Because a couple of years down the road you are going to get the stick
sieventer: Ideally, neither scenario. But I'm clear that I prefer an automated deporting dystopian AI to the Islamization and Africanization of Europe
shirethedreamer: i want to start a debate for why you perceive immigrants in europe a worse threat than an AI  empowered surveillance state that you go on and beg for it to be brought to straight to your doorstep
shit is wild to me
zonchao: we need to make number big
futurist_wizard: <#1136231504440201216>
zonchao: <#1136231504440201216>
futurist_wizard: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-set-broaden-arrests-deportation-routes-expand-immigration-crackdown-2025-02-21/
zonchao: pls <#1136231504440201216>
sieventer: You want to start a debate about why I think mass immigration in Europe is wrong, really? <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>
shirethedreamer: ...did the immigrant take your job?
sieventer: <:catcry:1187466366006087862>🇪🇺
zonchao: illegal
sieventer: <:doomer:1136265388473196644>
sieventer: can we have that in europe pls...?
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/saruman-palantir-gif-19765279
zonchao: <@749514473303179358> https://fxtwitter.com/AFpost/status/1913008983427739891
.wolfnacht: tbh, the original graph looks like this for this coomunity
.histic: Google isn't sleeping
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bard/comments/1k2wcg7/claybrook_experimental_google_model_cooking_on/
wolf3404: Sama pushing to ban open source while scanning your iris for worldcoin UBI and checking your papers to access their GPUs. Welcome to the "open" AI future you dreamed of.
wolf3404: https://tenor.com/view/elon-musk-dance-gif-26204167
wolf3404: https://fxtwitter.com/elonmusk/status/1913369084344836258
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/tom-slemen-orwell-2024-1984-big-brother-is-watching-you-gif-3253591633076535352
.wolfnacht: and i thought this was just a meme. but holyy it's real.
popsiclejohnithan: Honestly look at how much has happened in these 4 months, we are just 4 months into this year and i'd argue that more has happened in these 4 months than all of last year, i actually have no idea what the end of this year is going to be like let alone 2026, definitely 27, i don't know how people can think things are stagnating.
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-gif-11393875014009836569
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-simpsons-krusty-homer-homer-simpson-gif-13798193695291911154
brain4brain: Inverse fractal have a way better answer, wow
retupmoclatcarf: Always.
brain4brain: Forever.
fractalcomputer: Never.
brain4brain: Yes. <:ez:1136267305521774634>


wellmeaningalien:
sarik0497: Yep.
otub: is it on free tier yet
.histic:
sarik0497: Repeat <:DogeSmile:825371757099352124>
hikukomoru: Too late I already pinged him a dozen times
wellmeaningalien: goat 4o is beating grok 3 rn
hey1_1hey: "Its not even that good"
st.sioux: dont invoke him
hey1_1hey: Finish <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
hey1_1hey: Zon has been real quiet latly <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
wellmeaningalien:
sarik0497: OpenAI cooked
hikukomoru: Regulatory Requirements 🌊
hey1_1hey: I keep getting impressed by it
hey1_1hey: Its so good
hey1_1hey: DAMN BRO
wellmeaningalien: yes
hey1_1hey: Is this 4o?
hey1_1hey: Theres no way
hikukomoru: Real
wellmeaningalien:
.histic:
st.sioux: im a mercedes simp
wellmeaningalien:
hey1_1hey: Imagine if it was an anime girl tho 🥵
wellmeaningalien:
hikukomoru: Holyyy
hey1_1hey: Damn this goes hard asf
drewsni: haha its probably nbd
.histic: chat should i jump this off a cliff?
wellmeaningalien:
hey1_1hey: Kiss! Kiss Kiss! Oh- I mean FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
zoermena: Use sora
hikukomoru: <@688807313015963693> finish your orgy and get your gay ass over here
joaoluz19: Why did I have the model and then go back to dall-e?
wellmeaningalien:
.histic:
hikukomoru: Nunca más...
wellmeaningalien: but gpt 4o won for brazil


.histic: <@590577270926868480>
st.sioux: yeah just like you have people right now saying we should send kids to war because they're not tough or low testosterone or some shit
wellmeaningalien: sorry dude
wellmeaningalien: agi cancelled
_cloudost: In the future
_cloudost: There are going to be millions of boomer-minded people that want to breed
hikukomoru:
futurist_wizard: The fuck has it done, given me big anime eyes
hikukomoru: This is what Never Goon is all about 🔥
joaoluz19: I am feeling the AGI, are you?
_cloudost: I def want lowered birth rates
joaoluz19: What's the point of birthrate when everything is automated plus the possibility of generating infinite Sydney Sweeneys
futurist_wizard: If you believe in asi you want the birth rates lowered
hikukomoru: AGI will be real in 1... 2... 3... NOW
_cloudost: 5 days at home, chilling
st.sioux: you are enlightened
_cloudost: This will increase birthrate for sure
joaoluz19: Wait isn't in 2 days?
futurist_wizard: They are brainwashed
wellmeaningalien: he doesnt believe in AGI in 2 years, smh
wellmeaningalien: by r/singularity standards he is pessimistic
hikukomoru: 2 day work week doesnt sound that bad
futurist_wizard: Bill gates is not a pessimist
wellmeaningalien: maybe hes pessimistic or maybe he's keeping it real for the press
futurist_wizard: Guess it looks close enough
futurist_wizard: Only thing it got wrong is i have dirty blonde hair
hikukomoru: Turn Miyazaki's nightmares into reality 🔥 🔥
futurist_wizard: By 2027
futurist_wizard: Everyone will be Ghibli'd
futurist_wizard: Do it so i can make fun of your Ghibli
_cloudost: So Bill Gates is being pessimistic?
st.sioux: 2 days is manageable
st.sioux: I hope
hikukomoru: I would Skibidi myself if I had native image gen 🙏
joaoluz19: Yes, make it respectful lol <:rolf:1136266740754550784>
futurist_wizard: Yes
wellmeaningalien: bill gates wasnt and still isnt a big believer in huge strides in AI progress
joaoluz19: You skibidi yourself?
futurist_wizard: Not gay
.histic: it was so close in generating this but then refused & deleted it lol


.wolfnacht: Ofccc
fractalcomputer: I'm not a conspiracy theorist; on the contrary, I am the subject of many a theory.
.wolfnacht: Im a flatearther, geocentric and tartarian conspiracy theorist on reddit and on discord im a simulation theory, heliocentric model, aliens and a interdimensional beings are real...ahhh conspiracy theorist
hey1_1hey: Same, I got different personas for each one. On one I am a schzioid maniac who is an ultra conservertive on another I am a ultra-left wing communist dick rider and on another I am a weird eco-anarchist
_3sphere: https://tenor.com/view/chad-squishy-squishy-cheeks-cheeks-anime-gif-26781246
_3sphere: Your pfps are still the same in spirit
hikukomoru: Bro uses the same pfp for all of his accounts
Can't relate
popsiclejohnithan: Beats me.
futurist_wizard: Why
popsiclejohnithan: That just sucks ass.
popsiclejohnithan: He's started monetizing some of his videos now.
zonchao: oh
hey1_1hey: It was on a davd shapiro community post
zonchao: video?
hey1_1hey:
hey1_1hey: I have now come across <@452692813511917568> and <@848793071579693107> youtube accounts <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
.wolfnacht: dead sewer
.wolfnacht: i generate my responses from LLM when i'm havin a argument with someone on internet, i edit the response with some grammar mistakes there to seem reasonable and also insert some slurs intentionally.
fractalcomputer: I personally use only incoherently spaced em-dashes.
playstation.6: curly—qoutes
gamerbath: why the fuck
gamerbath: for some reason the cost of this headset is $1019 in the US but where I live it's almost $1500. it's cheaper for me to book a two way flight to the US and buy it over there
brain4brain: https://www.stripe.press/scaling
.wolfnacht: atleast they could have told LLM to strictly not use dramatic dashes, make some grammar mistakes, and write in the prose style of AO3
.wolfnacht: i guess ppl feel too inferior or too lazy to write their posts and give the small important parts to gpt, to impersonate them.
_3sphere: Higher barrier for entry for indistinguishable slop
_3sphere: I have a feeling OpenAI did this intentionally
_3sphere: At least it's still easy to tell
_3sphere: Curly quotes <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
.0xunkn0wn: dead internet theory is real 😔
.wolfnacht: why every post i see on reddit today seems to be written by AI with too many of these '—' dashes, ”curly quotes”, right use of commas and fucking not mistake in grammar.
.0xunkn0wn: imagine if like toyota just randomly says "guys we achieved agi" or smh 💀
.0xunkn0wn: guys
.0xunkn0wn: oh 😨 😨
.0xunkn0wn: wait what 😨
wellmeaningalien:
_wwwwww: AGI Achieved, i repeat AGI achieved
brain4brain: Help me choose the best one or prompt engineer a better one for me please
ailoveyoom: He has plenty of experience with that
ailoveyoom: I'm sure you can ask destrucules about this


realelonmuskx: yeah but compare time and money ai art is simply better and you can generate infinite variations in seconds
wellmeaningalien: and pretty much every big country wide union out there in the united states has already protested AI
wellmeaningalien: stop ai and pause ai are organisations
_3sphere: I meant the violence
wellmeaningalien: and pretty much every big country wide union out there in the united states has already protested AI
wellmeaningalien: stop ai and pause ai are organisations
wellmeaningalien: imo the best human artists still > ai art but some artists are mid asf
_3sphere: Data centers are really secure
_3sphere: Would take a pretty coordinated attack
realelonmuskx: aint no gonna lie ai art > human art and also faster and cheaper bru
wellmeaningalien: i think thats probably gonna start after mass unemployment tho
wellmeaningalien: there are threats of violence now but i definitely imagine it'd take someone getting violent for something to be done about it
st.sioux: jinx
wellmeaningalien: like with burning teslas
st.sioux: like with burning teslas
st.sioux: i don't think so unless they're trespassing or destroying stuff
wellmeaningalien:
wellmeaningalien: like people physically protesting in front of the offices of ai companies
st.sioux: in what
wellmeaningalien: do u guys think national security will ever get involved with this
.histic: https://x.com/OlafCodeCoach/status/1902967116313297271
i'm going to reply this to their post <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
wellmeaningalien: this is funny as shit lmao
.histic: original -> south park version
.histic:
wellmeaningalien: nice
.histic: yeah, two outputs.
also, you can queue outputs too. so they generate simultaneously.
wellmeaningalien: u using sora right
wellmeaningalien: oh this one is better ngl
.histic: i got this
wellmeaningalien: lol it fits right in
st.sioux: their website is shit, should use ai to improve it
.histic: someone ghiblify this or make it like south park.
wellmeaningalien: https://www.ktvu.com/news/stop-ai-organization-protest-outside-openai-headquarters
realelonmuskx: if they dont resist and only cry online nothing will happen. this guys https://www.stopai.info/ still alive?
_cloudost: Nailed
_cloudost: Neat reply
_cloudost: OpenAI needs to install turrets soon to protect themselves from criminal antis
.histic: because they don't have a soul <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
realelonmuskx: why antis dont raid open ai hq
.histic: brain4brain has twitter too
https://x.com/NotBrain4brain


spicy.lemonade: Gpt 5
spicy.lemonade: Is this before or after
popsiclejohnithan: I'm dumb.
spicy.lemonade: Unserious😭
popsiclejohnithan: Or not state of the art that is.
popsiclejohnithan: Probs when it is out of date.
ldj: but I think probably not at launch
ldj: Maybe eventually at some point
hikukomoru: Like ever?
popsiclejohnithan: Imagine lol.
ldj: I'm pretty confident that GPT-5 won't be getting open sourced
popsiclejohnithan: Oh.
ldj: no lol
popsiclejohnithan: This will most likely be GPT-5 right?
.0xunkn0wn: damnn
gamerbath: so in like 2 months 🔥 🔥 🔥
ldj: <@&1293118293829484575>
- OpenAI open source model currently planned for Mid-June
- They plan for it to be competitive or better than any existing open source model available today.
- Desire to start doing more consistent open source releases and not just some one-time thing.
- In meeting with open-source devs and Sama, most in the meeting agreed that atleast one version being around 70B - 200B size would be optimal for this main first model.
- A base model might be released too instead of just the post-trained reasoning model.
zonchao: BFL as well
zonchao: xAI is also working on video gen/world models but we dont know what they are cooking
ldj: The current architecture of Sora is mostly still just transformer, more specifically called diffusion-transformer, and future omnimodal models like GPT-5o might just end up incorporating video/world model generation natively too.

But yes I think this is basically all you need, maybe with a few relatively small tweaks needed at most.
futurist_wizard: Is this true?
futurist_wizard: Hehehe
sarik0497: Oh yeah, I completely forgot that OpenAI also have one.

But do you think the current architecture is enough, or will these world modals need to mature enough to potentially take them the rest of the way? Just curious about your thoughts in general ^^
himekokatagiri: oh wait that was Napoleon XIV
himekokatagiri: he did say they were going to take him away to the funny farm where those men with clear white coats live
fractalcomputer: Hm. I didn't know that famous "quotations" had to be sourced to a given historical person or justified by such basis.
hikukomoru: Louis XIV never said that
fractalcomputer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27%C3%89tat,_c%27est_moi
gamerbath: ~~NO!! SIEV IS VERY EVIL DON'T TRUST HIM.~~ yes great server
bob082957: I don’t get it
himekokatagiri: sure
himekokatagiri: uh
hikukomoru: <@286319745777795092> should I join Siev’s on this account
himekokatagiri: "I am singularity"
\- Fractal
theaiguy69420_89814: A new insight for me with prompting at least is that it's best to treat each model as a completely different "brain" you're speaking to, general prompting principles like conversationalist vs Reasoner vs agent still applies, but different models within the same category should be prompted differently.

For example, if you're doing some basic ChatGPT-foo on 4o, you'd probably want to give it a lot of personal context and specific details as to what you want and how you want it. However, in the same use case on GPT 4.5, it would probably be better to focus on the personal context and be less specific at least on *how* you'd like the information presented, since 4.5's knowledge base is so much larger that it might come up with a better presentation format than you can reasonably guess would be preferred.

Another example, cursor agent with o4-mini involves a much more thorough analysis of the request and codebase, so you'd probably want to be much more specific on constraints to avoid unnecessary thinking and file reads, while 3.7 sonnet does a lot of guessing and checking and not as much thinking, which would mean it would probably be better to be more specific on outcomes to avoid sonnet going down a code debugging rabbit hole.

And of course, personal context should be excluded for reasoners since it distracts them from problem solving, which is objective and not related to someone's largely subjective situation.
aero447:
fractalcomputer: I am my language -- at least here.
hikukomoru: If you only use obscure words and terms no one is going to understand you
You should talk like the rest of us fr
fractalcomputer: A corpse is a denigrating neologism for "corporate"; used only in a single sci-fi book series I read a few years back.
himekokatagiri: what's a corpse advertisement


trent_k:
spicy.lemonade: whats bro about to do
trent_k: oh perfect
spicy.lemonade: nope
trent_k: do u know these people irl
spicy.lemonade: lmao
spicy.lemonade: 💀 '
spicy.lemonade: YOU GUYS ARE BLOWING MY COVER
aero447: In many domains, t's very hard to tell.
spicy.lemonade: too keep it authentic
spicy.lemonade: btw
spicy.lemonade: they them
spicy.lemonade: my persona is a furry
spicy.lemonade: gotta generate new one
spicy.lemonade: fuck
spicy.lemonade: lol different server
aero447: That said yeah.
aero447: I have to say I still don't agree with passing off AI art as real.
darkstar0818: The Roko Basilisk will remember.
spicy.lemonade: mod thinks its my work
aero447: Yeah no-one replied except the one user though.
spicy.lemonade: i was only deted for posting in wrong chat
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: and the original time i posted
spicy.lemonade: no one can tell its ai
spicy.lemonade: thats the point
spicy.lemonade: no
.wolfnacht: is there drama going on ?
spicy.lemonade: i use sub and server interchangably
aero447: That's... not a sub though lol.
futurist_wizard:
spicy.lemonade: check general 2 chat in this server
spicy.lemonade: loll
zonchao: oh
zonchao: wtf 💀
futurist_wizard: You shouldn't go and harass people
spicy.lemonade: posted on multiple
aero447: I'd be interested to see the art and their comments.
spicy.lemonade: https://discord.gg/SbXj2ywH
aero447: 🤔


joaoluz19: Nice
futurist_wizard: The other one im younger than most
futurist_wizard: Disappointing
futurist_wizard: And this one im mid age
futurist_wizard: Im in two
futurist_wizard: I don't hang out in discords
himekokatagiri: usually I'm the youngest
technocake.: this is one of the few exceptions
himekokatagiri: what discords are you hanging out in
futurist_wizard: Im seen as an elder
himekokatagiri: uh
futurist_wizard: Most discords seem to be mostly kids
technocake.: children can talk in their own servers, in here they will be exposed to mind bending horrors beyond their comprehension
futurist_wizard: Children should not have a voice
futurist_wizard: Facts
himekokatagiri: children should not have a voice on the internet
technocake.: it should be
futurist_wizard: Need no minors around here
himekokatagiri: I hope so
futurist_wizard: Is this server 18+?
himekokatagiri: They will
technocake.: I don't expect people to lie when i ask if they are a minor
.histic: what's the premise?
technocake.: fuck i think i linkedd him to saxems
hikukomoru: He's stuck doing 8th grade math therefore he's 14
himekokatagiri: 😭
himekokatagiri: I think society will only legitimize via transhumanism
hikukomoru:
futurist_wizard: Mushroom seems to be just a little boy
technocake.: mushroom is 18
futurist_wizard: No surprises among me
otub: ep 6 has fdvr too
hikukomoru: Same age as Mushroom
technocake.: yeah no surprise
futurist_wizard: Hes 14
himekokatagiri: sayaka x homura
technocake.: Trans rights are a precursor to transhuman rights!
himekokatagiri: forbidden ship
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/blush-shy-emoji-gif-11394138315486507380
technocake.: also I think ur neat


st.sioux: they integrated a lot of firebase shit into it
st.sioux: i used it before, it was called project IDX, they renamed it to firebase studio like 3 days ago
.wolfnacht: water cockroaches
brain4brain: Isn’t it mech intrep AI lab’s that Anthropic invested in?
trojan09205:
.0xunkn0wn: woah
brain4brain: It’s so delicious
zonchao: yea they need to hire more devs
.0xunkn0wn: this is another level of vibecoding
.0xunkn0wn: has anyone tested firebase studio?
trojan09205: I used to have some freshwater shrimp in a tiny tank and they were amazing
.0xunkn0wn: guys
brain4brain: I’ve overestimated AI’s progress and AI lab’s competency, I will have to reconsider and might delay my AGI timeline
st.sioux: i love shrimp
.wolfnacht: android doesn't even got persona's yet and custom instructions yet
brain4brain: Shrimp welfare and the AGI future
.wolfnacht: yeah i saw that too, android version is far behind web version
brain4brain: >“ like Deepseek”
zonchao: nope, but ios is more feature rich and stable
.wolfnacht: only available on IOS ?
zonchao: better on ios
.wolfnacht: I want elon's voice in voice mode.
zonchao: its out, but its ass
zonchao: all we heard was soon™
.wolfnacht: also, the Voice Mode ?
.wolfnacht: and Grok 3.5 ?
bob082957: If rl then they trained it like deepseek
brain4brain: ||This is a joke, they probably did reinforcement learning or better data or something, but a lucky run could also be possible||
zonchao: dont know
brain4brain: Claude-3.5-sonnet was an unbelievable lucky runs that they change path to mech interp to retrieve the sonnet magic to train opus
.wolfnacht: do you have any info on grok-3(04-27) ? is it real ?
retrerox: your ass when you are out of jail, your ass when you in prison
zonchao: dario is an assassin
hey1_1hey: Anthropic is a sleeper lab rn
hey1_1hey: Not claude bro 😭
zonchao: <@378996537704841216> https://x.com/ArtificialAnlys/status/1913057626117820438
.wolfnacht: <@505313122802728972> they are lobotomizing AI studio more, every other smut prompt is now blocked due to 'OTHER'
rayanquitplayin: Yeah there’s no telling the future
rayanquitplayin: Yea the American govt has so many checks and balances, it’s really slow in legislating, we’re gonna have to address the main issue: how will people find meaning in life if it’s not work
brain4brain: Wen AGI


777agical: I thought he only open sources the prior the model when a new one comes out
spicy.lemonade: worst week ngl
spicy.lemonade: no
alejandrozarzuelo: isnt qwen dropping
wolf3404: Cool but has he open sourced Grok 3 yet?
retrerox: WHich might be not a hard task 🤣
retrerox: He is gonna develop grok to play PoE better than him <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
aero447: https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-american-psycho-face-mask-killer-christian-bale-gif-5013882
ailoveyoom: 😈
ailoveyoom: I was busy with yours
777agical: https://fxtwitter.com/koltregaskes/status/1910251741116838030
aero447: Can't believe 3sphere and MichMach did not go.
spicy.lemonade: thats gpt5
brain4brain: If they release o4-mini, I hope they also announce full-o4, I just want to see the benchmarks
retrerox: AI could never replicate this...
retrerox: Can we make a bet trump will increase the tariffs again?
retrerox:
spicy.lemonade: nothinggggggggg
spicy.lemonade: sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
spicy.lemonade: no drops
spicy.lemonade: slow week
spicy.lemonade: no qwen this week
aero447:
ailoveyoom: Me irl
ailoveyoom: 🙈 🐒
aero447: No your mind filthy but too simple.
ailoveyoom: My mind is filthy but my heart is pure 🥺
spicy.lemonade: no qwen
alejandrozarzuelo: ?
aero447: Perhaps you are unworthy of the mantle.
aero447: You dissapoint me, MichMach.
aero447: Man gets agents and rather than engineer a cute ai catgirl GF he opts for block game mods.
_3sphere: AI SWE will be the best time for Minecraft modding ever
_3sphere: 🔥
retrerox:
ailoveyoom: It'd be cool to see if they could do it tho
ailoveyoom: ?
aero447: https://tenor.com/view/no-one-cares-i-dont-care-idc-nobody-cares-gif-8737514
aero447: One problem.
spicy.lemonade:


okbut: And then there's FetLife
zonchao: arent you from mexico
fractalcomputer: Sex is sex. There are only so many relatively sane ways of going about it.
zoermena: The only relationship I’ve even been on was with a Thailand dude that catfished me for a Russian woman.
okbut: What do you have in mind
fractalcomputer: I wouldn't say so.
okbut: Same for masturbation
okbut: If it's both having a sexual attraction for someone + not enjoying sex, it might be about the way it's carried out not being to how you see fit
hikukomoru: You?
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/sousou-no-frieren-frieren-beyond-journey-frieren-anime-frieren-book-drop-book-dropping-gif-5586080115796339217
fractalcomputer: It's pointless to speculate.
zonchao: ah
alejandrozarzuelo: It's not really surprising, I live in a VERY conservative household
zoermena: That’s interesting, why would you say so?
futurist_wizard: At what age did everyone here supposedly lose their virginity at? Mine was 15
zonchao: no way
hikukomoru: Idk why but I thought he was like 16 or 18
zoermena: Hormones go crazy
fractalcomputer: I wouldn't say so.
alejandrozarzuelo: I was almost a 20 yr old virgin tbh
_3sphere: Why are the degens all young
zonchao: thought he was a freshman
hikukomoru: 20
hikukomoru: He's the same age as me isn't he
futurist_wizard: And terminally online
zoermena: That is unfortunate
futurist_wizard: Mich is quite young
fractalcomputer: Well, I was mostly exposed to contempt, indifference or hatred.
_3sphere: I woke up midway through doing it on the floor in a dream a couple weeks ago 😭
hikukomoru: I think Mich is a virgin tbh
zoermena: Well I’ll be damned
zonchao: it is really hard to be a virgin past 20....you actually have to go out of your way to be one
futurist_wizard: I'm 80% sure on that
futurist_wizard: And 70% voted for the 'not had sex yet'
_3sphere: Just as easily explained as lewd from being pent-up horny
futurist_wizard: Actually im pretty sure there was a poll
futurist_wizard:
zoermena: I suspect that it’s more likely than not that your brain is wired so differently that you literally can’t comprehend what we are saying at the same wavelength I think
alejandrozarzuelo: I think mich isn't a virgin, neither is komoru, they are just too lewd to be
hikukomoru: We need to do another one


spicy.lemonade: O3 was mostly crazy bc of arg agi
spicy.lemonade: o1 speaks for itself
spicy.lemonade: Never seen before
spicy.lemonade: The whole HER thing
spicy.lemonade: Remember 4o included native voice
spicy.lemonade: I remember ascending into the heavens during each of those
spicy.lemonade: OpenAI has done
spicy.lemonade: Are the most mind boggling drops
spicy.lemonade: 4o, o1,o3, native image
metaldragon01: Crazy censored
metaldragon01: o3 for sure
futurist_wizard:
3ds0662: thats all the openai board employees tied up
3ds0662: me if openai prices everyone out and goes full closed corpo ai
https://quickvids.app/Z3hvKd5k
<@1316552597829586955> <@937125337748348999> <@1190031399080710195> <@471334973379706900>
literallyvarane: I’m just taking this information reporting or w/e, turning it down 65%, and assuming it’s something that’s interesting, but still fairly limited.
777agical: veo2 is out and I'm not seeing a flood of videos on twitter like I thought I would
literallyvarane: I just can’t think of the last time OpenAI released something, or announced something that was *crazy* beyond expected.

Perhaps o1? But when they announced o1 they only shipped the preview, and even they said 4o would still be better in some cases.
a1c4p0ne: Will arc agi 2 be solved this week
st.sioux: ok so tell us what it was then lol
literallyvarane: I also don’t think they over-delivered lol. We got exactly what they said we’d get.
literallyvarane: Not that exact thing perhaps, but native image out.
literallyvarane: They demoed this sort of stuff back when they announced 4o last July no?
st.sioux: 4o native image
literallyvarane: I’m just asking when’s the last time OpenAI *overdelivered* on something?
gamerbath: that image is just pure hype
literallyvarane: Listen I’m not saying it’s unimportant
gamerbath: lol
spicy.lemonade: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
spicy.lemonade: recursive self improvement
spicy.lemonade: see why im hyped
spicy.lemonade: read the image
spicy.lemonade: i think openAI purposely leaks to information
spicy.lemonade: and they are always correct
spicy.lemonade: the information aswell
spicy.lemonade:
gamerbath: i'm very happy to be getting o3 though
gamerbath: for some reason i'm not that hyped about o4-mini. not sure why but I guess it will be good
spicy.lemonade: said it would be this week
st.sioux: bet
spicy.lemonade: also the verge


fractalcomputer: People goon on meth? Dear God. I didn't know we were that depraved.
hikukomoru:
gamerbath: <@899357725161578567> do you know what AGI is?
fractalcomputer: I need more whiskey.
nobodyisugly: Second impression is even better
gamerbath: this server is about discussion and praising related to the upcoming machine god
nobodyisugly: First impression of this server: <a:BatemanNice:1009821403245191228>
fractalcomputer:
fractalcomputer: Keep the fetish posting to a minimum.
hikukomoru: Gooning
fractalcomputer: More or less right.
zonchao: <a:droid_cry_squish:1212852710999859283>
nsec: machine Jesus
nsec: sacrificing pets to Jesus
fractalcomputer: Zon, why did you invite this person?
nobodyisugly: Hello, i was just invited to this server more or less random and am too lazy to look, what is this server about?
nobodyisugly: <a:MumeiWave:1101433307343892490>
zonchao: <a:Peepo_Wave:832187545328287774>
nsec: ty
nsec: serious replies onlu
nsec: OK
nsec: 💥
nsec: <:gun:1107019204135243867>
nsec: <:thebigstare:802900059930886194>
ldj: <:shrug:1083221317945413777>
ldj: yes and then I bring my pet back to life when it happens
nsec: <:conceit:1102997949291704350>
nsec: do you do it?
nsec: sam altman says AGI soon but it's 2x as soon if you sacrifice your pet
nsec: guys here's the scenario
fractalcomputer: Maybe you are the 5D shape rotator messiah.
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/peter-thiel-live-peter-thiel-reaction-peter-thiel-reaction-awkward-peter-thiel-gif-13452404224986023856
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/frankt-gif-23053264
fractalcomputer: Right after you stop glazing Musk. Meant to reply to the earlier message.
ldj: The song called Heat Waves goes like this: "All I think about is you, **late night in the middle of June**"
ldj: My source:
zonchao: xAI nappin
zonchao: <:fatsad:1240464608498552892>
zonchao: and big brain mode
zonchao: wen grok 3 thinking api


hikukomoru: Wasn't talking to you bish
fractalcomputer: It is also generally considered morally acceptable to treat applied mathematicians as vermin subhumans - generally by people who agree with me.
alejandrozarzuelo: the goverments of emerging countries are...

lets say... very "old fashioned" when it comes to their demographic assumptions
fuhulootogan: must be you
fuhulootogan: just add your picture then
zonchao: hello
hikukomoru: <@465177408073498634> Hi 👋
archon.e: i have a similar shirt
archon.e: long hair
fuhulootogan: you do feel much younger
archon.e: kinda. Im indian
fuhulootogan: yeah
archon.e: People often tell me they feel Im much younger when they talk with me in discord
alejandrozarzuelo: yeah but AI generated based on how you look or nah
st.sioux: the mexican government is not very transparent
hikukomoru: I don't have a brian
fractalcomputer: Preferably by lethal injection or firing squad, but a very high cliff would do as well.
fuhulootogan: really?
archon.e: AI generated
zoermena: Im not surprised
alejandrozarzuelo: your pfp is you?
ailoveyoom: You don't name your brain? Assuming you have one.
archon.e: 32
fuhulootogan: how old are you
fractalcomputer: All applied mathematicians, ethicists and other people that are generally consider stulted and ignorant - by people who happen to agree with me - should be executed on the spot.
alejandrozarzuelo: the mexican goverment in their official censuses literally say that "there is no possibility that our fertility rate falls below 2.0, so all estimations are based on that"

they are at 1.45

like wtf, and you give this GARBAGE of data to the United Nations'???
a1c4p0ne: <:based:1136264604788473946>
fuhulootogan: he brushes
fuhulootogan: nice teeth
hikukomoru: They can keep moving here
Brasilian girls are real baddies
alejandrozarzuelo: no, it was SPECIFICALLY because of fertility rates
archon.e: i never took a test
archon.e: u tell me
a1c4p0ne:
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-impressive-very-nice-coping-patrick-bateman-gif-26518058
alejandrozarzuelo: brasil expected to have 10m more people than it ended up having in the last census
fuhulootogan: how high is your IQ
hikukomoru: They all moved here
archon.e: Need neuralinks
abundantliving_: https://x.com/Yampeleg/status/1911110715043164491


spicy.lemonade: but still need face culling all that
spicy.lemonade: maybe for like 100x100 blocks
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: it wouldnt run
spicy.lemonade: without optimize
spicy.lemonade: not really 90%
maintcrew: so in simpler words ur saying claude does the 90% and openai the remaining 10%
spicy.lemonade: both needed
spicy.lemonade: but claude can flesh out the game
spicy.lemonade: a competative programmer can optimie the voxel generation algorithm in minecraft
maintcrew: not the field itself
maintcrew: abstract-ness wise
maintcrew: never got into it but advanced competitive programming seems closer to pure math than to swe to me
spicy.lemonade: its the same skill
spicy.lemonade: competative programing is general algorithmic thinking
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: applies
spicy.lemonade: well general
metaldragon01: ....
spicy.lemonade: ah
maintcrew: i mean yes thats why i asked "in general" or competitive programming ........
spicy.lemonade: bad
spicy.lemonade: laggy
spicy.lemonade: it would be unoptimized to hell
spicy.lemonade: imagine i ask claude to create a minecraft for me
spicy.lemonade: if youre doing a sufficiently complex app
spicy.lemonade: genuinly isnt
spicy.lemonade: ?
maintcrew: pointless
maintcrew: then fuck that
spicy.lemonade: competative programming yes
maintcrew: u mean competitive programming or in general
spicy.lemonade: at algorithmic thinking
spicy.lemonade: but suckss
spicy.lemonade: the algorithmic thinking. while claude is good at the swe planning part
maintcrew: they lost their pay pigs ....
maintcrew: i dont see anything more than 4o being free open to be disproven
maintcrew: i think openai will relax the "free chatgpt" narrative a lot
spicy.lemonade: openAI is already better at competative programming. one aspect
spicy.lemonade: on coding front


3ds0662: so solving aging yes is magic in my eyes
3ds0662: asi is magic 🪄 and it hasnt been created yet
3ds0662: we all die
3ds0662: yes
wellmeaningalien: Matt why do you believe everything people say
spacetimetsunami: So then aging is an impossible problem to solve? It’s just magic?
spicy.lemonade: what kind of mental gymnastics
spicy.lemonade: youre lying
spicy.lemonade: no chance
spicy.lemonade: than 4o gens
spicy.lemonade: thinks this looks better
thedon7075: i dont know how much longer they can cope for
spicy.lemonade: no serious person
thedon7075: its over
thedon7075: i mean at this point the pro ai art people won
spicy.lemonade:
thedon7075: what was the original
spicy.lemonade: "AI art looks shit"
the art they drew:
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: fuck artists
spicy.lemonade: bro
spicy.lemonade: i got ratiod
spicy.lemonade: wtf
3ds0662: nothing at all
3ds0662: and nothing can be done to it
3ds0662: aging is apart of the reason why we die
3ds0662: people will never stop aging
spacetimetsunami: I must reach LEV
spacetimetsunami: Death is inevitable. Aging may not be, I just want to live longer
.wolfnacht: The hate even reached Trains Sub

https://www.rxddit.com/r/TrainPorn/comments/1jnr849/steam_will_be_more_human_than_ai_will_ever_be/
3ds0662: and the human lifecycle
3ds0662: we are all known religion
3ds0662: we are the anti bryan johnson cult
3ds0662: death is inevitable join us
.wolfnacht: here's the version i'm using gpt didn't genned it at 1:1 so i had to ask gemini to make it 1:1
hikukomoru: <@834891518836736010> ur new pfp is sick 👍
.wolfnacht: The horde with pitchforks will stay pissed for 2-3 days and then they'll forget
spicy.lemonade: EXACTLY
.wolfnacht: imagine if someone didn't told them "AI Did this"
spicy.lemonade: i bet if a human drew this theyd love it


trey6033: I've played the 5th one if it is
fractalcomputer: I'd personally have a European hegemony.
futurist_wizard: As opposed to the russian and chinese hegemony, i will take the American one
fractalcomputer: I need more whiskey.
trey6033: Bruh isn't this an android game?  Some RPG game
fractalcomputer: If you know that we disagree, and you are not interested in discussing the issues presented, why signal your disapproval?
alejandrozarzuelo: A lot, because I disagree with you politically, we have different ideologies and I think that it is cringe to support American hegemony

That is all
alejandrozarzuelo: Ai, for the moment, doesn't have an energy consumption problem, as new models continue to improve in energy efficiency

Considering that human brains consume 20W and are much much better than current AIs, we have a lot of efficiency to find over time
fractalcomputer: Alright. What exactly do you think is cringe with such a statement? Is it the refusal to kowtow to Chinese influence?
zonchao: roko will remember this
alejandrozarzuelo: Cringe
zonchao: LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
fractalcomputer: I personally wouldn't like China to have any global influence or significance.
alejandrozarzuelo: It doesn't even need to be the best, being near the top would still be amazing
alejandrozarzuelo: R2 is not a messiah, we just see it as the hope that a non US model will be SOTA

Ideally so that the US isn't the only country in the top AI spots
himekokatagiri: What do you mean no
ailoveyoom: Just infinite worlds, neverending stories and living NPCs in video games first pls 🙏
alejandrozarzuelo: No
ailoveyoom: Idk man I don't even need FDVR tbh
futurist_wizard: I think people in here think about it so much that it's no longer scary to us
futurist_wizard: Or I've heard of electronic  patches that you'd stick on the back of your head and then use the headset
metaldragon01: Implications of that tech scary
futurist_wizard: So nothing basically
futurist_wizard: Like headset invasive
metaldragon01: Ideally it won't be invasive at all
futurist_wizard: Hopefully, i know valve is working on minimally invasive bci's
metaldragon01: And the pace of those are likely to be faster than hardware ect
metaldragon01: I think we may be closer to bigger algorithm improvements tbh
hikukomoru: PvP is disabled in the Singularity hangout server
futurist_wizard: Well i did say 5-10 years seems realistic for commercial level full body control
metaldragon01: Translate to speed increasing the same amount
metaldragon01: Cost of inference is dropping 10 to 100x a year
futurist_wizard: Hopefully i can headkick you in it
metaldragon01: Not really
futurist_wizard: I mean, that's a tremendous ask
metaldragon01: It's just more data and reading the signals faster/more accurately
hikukomoru: Let's meet each other in FDVRchat in 10 years
futurist_wizard: I have seen her videos
futurist_wizard: Yes i know but i mean like a full body control, that is a tremendous step
hikukomoru: Why is my simulation so shitty
Couldn't I have chosen something better
It looks more like a punishment than anything


gamerbath: hopyfully everything becomes like communism
rayanquitplayin: It’ll be interesting to see what new industries emerge
rayanquitplayin: Handsomely
rayanquitplayin: Whoever owns the robots will get rewarded
gamerbath: the robots will be producing stuff, people will own the robots and stuff, they will want to sell it and stuff
rayanquitplayin: Is money even gonna matter if robots are doing all the work?
gamerbath: tomorrow
jonvi_1: Anyone done anything cool with o3?
mantegh5061: <:redemption:1136265386984222771>
mantegh5061: wen singularity
brain4brain: Exactly
hey1_1hey: Prob just a coicidence though
hey1_1hey: Hmm that sure is odd because your pfp on discord has Brain4Brain as text in the exact same location, font, size and apptidude as the person on xitter...
brain4brain: Thats clearly not me! It’s clearly an anonymous twitter user
hey1_1hey: Brain4Brain you are not fooling anyone with the blurred name 😭
brain4brain: OpenAI researcher said “AGI yesterday”
benata: We are almost past kardashev scale as civilization
retrerox: How Ai war is going ?
retrerox: Hello fellas
abundantliving_: <@749514473303179358> is that you 😲
abundantliving_:
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: oh shit
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade:
stronak: Thank you
brain4brain: 2.5 pro and o3 is basically the best model right now, maybe try promoting it more
stronak: Thx, I am currently more interested in preparing a project proposal. Is there a model that works well for this type of issues? I am also looking for a model that can help me find suitable methods. In my tests, o3 and 2.5 pro did not do a bad job, but 2.5 pro was a bit plain in its method recommendations..
spicy.lemonade: Text is very like messy
spicy.lemonade: Made this with o4 mini and 2.5
spicy.lemonade:
brain4brain: LMarena prompt-to-leaderboard, but you can just wing it with Gemini-2.5-pro or Claude-3.7-sonnet, there is basically no noticeable difference
brain4brain: https://x.com/_akhaliq/status/1913162382559322526?s=61
stronak: I'm working on a project and wondering how others go about choosing the most suitable AI model for their use case. There are so many options (LLMs, vision models, foundation models, etc.), and I’m not sure what to use.

Are there any reliable leaderboards, benchmarking platforms, or comparison resources that help evaluate models based on task type (e.g., preparing academic document, deep research, coding or any specific purposes)?
stronak: Hi guys, i am beginner in this area. How do you decide which AI model to use for a specific task? Any good leaderboards or resources?
sieventer: <:wut:1136268236346884157> <:HP_smile:1249765744833462296>
fractalcomputer: I don't get paid to be mean to people. I do it out of passion.
agezes: ill send it there
agezes: okey
sieventer: I have to do Fractals job


spicy.lemonade: technically today
spicy.lemonade: also just realized lol
spicy.lemonade: it will<:ez:1136267305521774634>
.histic: i think self-improving reasoning models will be the goat.
if that ever happens effectively.
.histic: if the jump is the same from o1 to o3 then it will be a good release.
or if o4-mini-high performs close to o3-level, similar to how o3-mini-highs performs on par with o1 in many ways.
spicy.lemonade: then reasoning will get us to asi
spicy.lemonade: if o4 shows same type of improvement from o1 to o3 or even more
spicy.lemonade: we can begin doing some extrapolations fr
spicy.lemonade: 3rd datapoint
spicy.lemonade: for reasoning paradigm
spicy.lemonade: itl be the next datapoint
spicy.lemonade: also itl be really interesting
spicy.lemonade: Won’t be mid
.wolfnacht: but what if he doesn't <:Ted:1136265390549381253>
.wolfnacht: yeah, sama could fuck up.
.histic: <:idk:1136264106937171999>
could be mid, who knows.
.wolfnacht: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177324943734735010/1357116802605514792/OIIAOIIAOIIA.gif
spicy.lemonade: god
.wolfnacht: what's y'all predictions for full o4 benchmark ?
.wolfnacht: can't wait to see full o4 benchmaxxing.
brain4brain: O4-mini is gearing up for release, o4 will likely also be announced but not release like they did with o3
brain4brain: https://x.com/flowersslop/status/1911245185809338665?s=61
spicy.lemonade: without simple sprites
wellmeaningalien: i think with compute scaling the scope of the games are just gonna get larger
spicy.lemonade: i meana good looking game lol
wellmeaningalien: itll always ask you to make a .css and a .js and a .html file
wellmeaningalien: ever asked an llm to make a game
wellmeaningalien: ionno i feel like it got good enough on its own
spicy.lemonade: and sprites
spicy.lemonade: and all that
spicy.lemonade: for file management
wellmeaningalien: then what kind of games would it be able to make
spicy.lemonade: we need a bit more agency
wellmeaningalien: linear but still quite featureful with good progression
spicy.lemonade: 5.5
wellmeaningalien: i wonder when it would be able to make a mario 64 complexity game
spicy.lemonade: in terms of complexity
spicy.lemonade: minecraft
spicy.lemonade: im thinking more
spicy.lemonade: thats more of a game thats just one environment


fractalcomputer: Seeing as my profile picture happens to be one of the more prolific American horror authors of the last century or so.
fractalcomputer: I enjoy horror media.
.wolfnacht: We all got fooled again
trent_k: 1 gorillion tokens
trent_k: 🤯
trent_k: i spent $3325.29 on the openai api in 2024
trent_k: doing my taxes rn and looking at my deductable expenses
spicy.lemonade: lol
drewsni: Yeah. Every non coomer anime picture on civit for a long time has just been ghibli, or genshin lol
metaldragon01: Ai therapy looks like it's going to be a real thing
metaldragon01: https://ai.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/AIoa2400802
professorheaven: I think it’s very appropriate to add because the whole “openAI is so over” rhetoric has been pretty strong since 2.5 pro’s release. I think it would be better if you replaced DeepSeek V3 with DeepSeek v3 March 24 version, and then R1 with 2.5 pro
ldj: To keep it in the alternating style
ldj: The only thing that should be written in the timeline after the Deepseek announcement is a "OpenAI is so back" moment
ldj: <a:peepoTalk:1151260461157842944>
ldj: But we're doing alternating "OpenAI is so over" and "OpenAI is so back"
The first time it was "over" after O3 announcement was Deepseek V3/R1 announcement.
I can't add Gemini 2.5 Pro here since that would be a doubling of "OpenAI is so over" which doesn't fit
darkstar0818: I understand that.
professorheaven: It’s not just ghibili, it’s capabilities go far deeper than that
darkstar0818: Now creating new artistic styles, that is something else entirely.
professorheaven: Yea but 2.5 pro came out after V3 March 24 so it should be placed after that
darkstar0818: In fact I think people will get bored of converting photos to some other style fairly quick, it will lose its novelness rapidly.  Sure randos will still do it from time to time, but it won't be something anyone thinks about.
darkstar0818: pretty sure people will get bored of it real quick, I already have.
ldj: But R1 came out before 2.5 pro
darkstar0818: ghibli style being saturated in all photos?
professorheaven: Yea and if you’re following it sequentially then R1 should be replaced with 2.5 pro
drewsni: Nah it’s been a thing for 2 years + now
ldj: just like you can't do a doubling of "we're so back"
ldj: you can't make things more over <:berk:750111476483752166>
ldj: but OAI was already over with V3 and R1
ldj: 2.5 Pro came out before 4o image gen dropped im pretty sure
professorheaven: How can you leave out the best part? 2.5 pro…
ldj: ```
OpenAI doesn't release a new GPT for nearly 2 years(2020-2022)
- > "OpenAI is so over"

GPT-4 comes out
-> "We're so back"

Board drama happens
-> "OpenAI is so over"

GPT-4o comes out
-> "We're so back"

Claude 3.5 sonnet comes out
-> "OpenAI is so over"

OpenAI O1 comes out
-> "We're so back"

Gemini-Flash thinking comes out
-> "OpenAI is so over"

OpenAI O3 gets announced
-> "We're so back"

Deepseek V3 and R1 comes out
-> "OpenAI is so over"

4o image generation comes out
-> "We're so back"
```
ldj: Took only 3 months for the timeline to get updated <a:Classic:1170538418544062586>
gamerbath: if you haven't heard of it I would recommend going in blind, it often goes on sale with -80 to -90%
gamerbath: i'm not sure, but I *really* enjoyed the game soma
apology0759: Does anyone like horror?
numbah_1_nig: it's still really cool
darkstar0818: everyone will be bored of it in a couple weeks
numbah_1_nig: one of my all time fav events in AI
numbah_1_nig: i got it to recreate a picture of me and my friends in that style and it hit me right in the feels


futurist_wizard: we've overestimated how difficult and complex creating art is, and underestimated how difficult it is to navigate the natural world
sarik0497: Good point, and you’re probably (hopefully) right. I’m just a born pessimist with these things.
futurist_wizard: all our art is derivative of something in nature or another person's art, only difference is AI is a lot quicker and better at emulating styles than humans are
alejandrozarzuelo: thats just how art works
alejandrozarzuelo: others that you may not like
alejandrozarzuelo: you KNOW yout style will inspire others
alejandrozarzuelo: when you make art
memlaswaif: I have had the sense demis doesn't really believe in true agi with the llm paradigms maybe also why he's focussing on other stuff like alphaproof and he was also working on something like alphafold but for materials instead
alejandrozarzuelo: nah
futurist_wizard: so when his predictions go down its more noteworthy
czdct: just because something has endless possibilities does not mean that you should abuse it to bully others
futurist_wizard: its interesting because demis isn't a hype demon
czdct: I feel you, some people take it too far
alejandrozarzuelo: if it doesnt that girl is basic and spicy deserves better
memlaswaif: demis hassabis has changed his agi prediction like 3 times in the past 2 years now
alejandrozarzuelo: it should
spicy.lemonade: Perhaps
brain4brain: Google is just following a proven path, imo, OpenAI is scaling to the next thing, META with research that are LLM but they say is not LLM, Anthropic is going in the model interpretation route, Google basically have a better thing than anyone else but not new, reasoning model is a little different but fundamentally still use chain of though, video and image model is good but it’s more of a counter to competitor, Gemini-2.5 is good and probably the best or second best model right now, but it’s just reasoning scaled up
brain4brain: They were right last time about reasoning LLM though
hey1_1hey: Yeah, but also even if I did have the money I would not be spending it on chatgpt
ailoveyoom: It was that long ago 🤯
anathemaofmankind: Are you broke bro
anathemaofmankind: People keep repeating that nonsense because they are disingenuous retards
alejandrozarzuelo: same
anathemaofmankind: Pretty sure the "AI art" that he hated is completely different from now

It was literally some random body horror in 2016
alejandrozarzuelo: you need to EARN the title
alejandrozarzuelo: many people say "short king" to any dude who is short but nononono
alejandrozarzuelo: this is literally the definition of a short king
alejandrozarzuelo: damn dude you looking niiiice
anathemaofmankind: Does it work though
hey1_1hey: (Note: It will be mushroom based since all my t-shirts have mushrooms on them)
hey1_1hey: When non-paypig users get access to the image gen I will send a photo over of ghiblifeid me <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
ailoveyoom: For the ghibli one specifically, the guy (Hayao Miyazaki) behind the studio/art style has one time specifically said that he hated AI art or whatever.

So to use AI to make his style... I don't care about legal stuff or copyright (not what I'm taking issue with), but it feels kind of mean spirited to me.

I know most people are just making those images for fun/getting in on the new cool thing without intending to be mean. Maybe I'm just too soft boi 🥺
sarik0497: Oh really? Huh, I gotta read up on that. <:Hmm:956951826933112842>
sarik0497: Trust me, there’s always a desire for more money.

By claiming “Oh God, guys, our next model is gonna be insane, just watch!”, they make people interested in trying it out because “What if it’s actually good?”

A company’s main focus is to continue to grow. It’s very few who are satisfied when they reach a certain level.

But I hope they’re right, and I also think the models will be amazing. Just be careful not to fall for hype.
brain4brain: But somehow no one know what he is doing
brain4brain: A few weeks ago his entire company basically got doxxed
brain4brain: 10 years timeline for AGI scientist is absurd though, and OAI and Anthropic already have investors established so they wouldn’t need more investor
sarik0497: Although I’m VERY curious about Ilya’s work.
sarik0497: Could be hype from OA, Musk, and Amodei tbh.

Keep in mind that they are first and foremost CEOs whose main purpose is to generate money and interest in their product.
It’s the same reason why many Game companies promise the world, only to backtrack later on.


futurist_wizard: The country should've been nuked after that
futurist_wizard: I went on holiday to spain when i was 12 and the water was murky
alejandrozarzuelo: You forget that Portugal is also anti israeli pro Palestine
hikukomoru: My hatred of Spain grows by the moment
hikukomoru: Christ you guys are so cringe
rayanquitplayin: The war in Palestine is so complicated
alejandrozarzuelo: BTW in Spain we have a modern saying for something that won't hold for long

"that will last less than a peace treaty in Palestine"
rayanquitplayin: 100%
hikukomoru: So Kim sends Putin malnourished soldiers in exchange for computers
alejandrozarzuelo: The war on Palestine definitely will

I don't know when AGI will happen

But I know that there will be an israeli invasion of Palestine happening at that moment
futurist_wizard: My hero..
futurist_wizard:
hikukomoru: The war in Ukraine might still be going on by the time AGI is achieved
alejandrozarzuelo: They don't even have automatic controls in the metro (new York implemented this in the 60s and no other metro that I know of is analogic)
rayanquitplayin: Yeah North Korea’s crazy
alejandrozarzuelo: The only way that North Korea has anything is if Russia literally gifts it to them in exchange for bodies
futurist_wizard: They literally live like 1940's
hikukomoru: Russia builds them a bunch of stuff
Maybe they could do something
futurist_wizard: Are computers even real in north korea
alejandrozarzuelo: If north Korea was a person, its wealth would be so low that it wouldn't even be a known figure in a random Midwestern state if they lived there
futurist_wizard: Yes, handcuffs and duct tape 4 kim boy
alejandrozarzuelo: On what ? The 3 computers Kim has on his bedroom?
hikukomoru: Kim needs a spanking
rayanquitplayin: They will
hikukomoru: Imagine we get open source AGI and North Korea starts using it
futurist_wizard: They are bratty and must be punished
alejandrozarzuelo: The only North Korean friend is Russia because they lend them their meat grindr
alejandrozarzuelo: Even China hates them
rayanquitplayin: Crazy
alejandrozarzuelo: They cry until they are appeased
alejandrozarzuelo: North Korea is pathetic
hikukomoru: Kim Jong Un AGI 😨
futurist_wizard: North Korea is up there but its a little ant
rayanquitplayin: I didn’t even vote for Trump
alejandrozarzuelo: By pre Trump u mean pre 2016
alejandrozarzuelo: It was bad but workable
hikukomoru: I liked pre-Trump US <:idk:1136264106937171999>
alejandrozarzuelo: We need a eyruoeab AI
futurist_wizard: America is second to russia currently in terms of villain arc
alejandrozarzuelo: I hope France can compete with the big boys


spacetimetsunami: LEV will be in like 2035 or 40
st.sioux: and then transplant himself into his sons body
3ds0662: If he makes it to 2028 what about that?
st.sioux: i hope he doesnt clone his consciousness like the arasaka guy in cyberpunk
st.sioux: so many timezones holy
st.sioux: idk really its 2:55
spacetimetsunami: Trump wont make it to LEV
st.sioux: mst
anathemaofmankind: Trump if Elon makes AGI and makes it racist
st.sioux: it stops
st.sioux:
st.sioux: it wont let me
.histic: are u est?
ailoveyoom: But all the models are gon be equally traumatized by humans <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
anathemaofmankind: AI will be a therapist than all humans so
ailoveyoom: No you will have to give the traumatized models therapy
anathemaofmankind: I guess I will 😔

I hope AGI gets released this year so I don't have to get a job when I finish anymore
st.sioux: cus i played with tthis shit too much
st.sioux: actually the only reason im up this late is cus i didnt do shit today
spacetimetsunami: become educated
spacetimetsunami: go to your midterms
st.sioux: you have to go
anathemaofmankind: I'm considering not attending my midterms tomorrow just so I can play with this more
.histic:
spacetimetsunami: confirmed alignment is solved bro trust me
spacetimetsunami: C guyz itsll all B o K
ailoveyoom: That image lives rent free in my head 🤤
.wolfnacht: anyways, if someone make it happen, they should post it on x, i'm sure that would get 1M+ views
anathemaofmankind: Mich Mach is horny again
ailoveyoom: You don't need 10 mil words of prompting right
ailoveyoom: Something like that
ailoveyoom: Generate another image of this woman? Generate an image in this style?
st.sioux: but like what prompt
.wolfnacht: it got the gpt icon and claude logo perfect and grok logo half perfect, but fucked with deepseek, mistral and qwen
st.sioux: it did an H for me too
ailoveyoom: Something like, generate an img in this style 🥺
.wolfnacht: might look insane if it get it right
anathemaofmankind:
.wolfnacht: ayoo thanks ❤
.wolfnacht: I hate paid services, unless they are actually too good.


spicy.lemonade: from showing AI stuff
spicy.lemonade: I was banned
hey1_1hey: I love causing phycological damage
hikukomoru: From OAI? Yeah
We still got DeepSeek
hey1_1hey: I am gonna go show my artists friends this to see the cope <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
ai9708: it was never under <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
hey1_1hey: Didn't like artists anyway
spicy.lemonade: dont need to hire artist for sprites anymore
literallyvarane: We cooked it’s over lads.
literallyvarane: Dope now another 17262 weeks until the next major drop
spicy.lemonade: lfg
hey1_1hey: Only 10k people watching, what a diapointment for the other 8 billion people not watching
ailoveyoom: Brb changing my pants
st.sioux: software gonna cook hard with this gonna fire the entire graphic design department
ailoveyoom: 🥵
literallyvarane: Yes
gamerbath: sama did
gamerbath: yea
ailoveyoom: Did they say that?
spicy.lemonade: yes
hey1_1hey: "2026"
spicy.lemonade: YES
gamerbath: "API soon" <:prayge:981798930113249300>
ailoveyoom: That means a bigger model makes a difference to image quality 🥵
hikukomoru: Still no hot dog girl
Bro left me on read
joaoluz19: Lol it can remove background
hey1_1hey: "Its not even that good"
hey1_1hey: Zon gonna be coping hard with this
metaldragon01: Book covers about to go crazy
spicy.lemonade: NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
ailoveyoom: UBA = Universal Basic Autism
hey1_1hey: YOOOOOOOO
gamerbath: IT DOES TRANSPARENCY
drewsni: 3d models incoming
st.sioux: everything is autistic
hey1_1hey: Don't call me a filthy commonor
st.sioux: everyone is autistic now
gamerbath: OH NO WAY
connorsphone.: It forgot the dog
ai9708: ours is funnier


spicy.lemonade: But not that readable for large models
spicy.lemonade: But yeah fine tuning on its own means training whole model
spicy.lemonade: Oh I just know that’s what they do for served LLMs
destrucules: That is not usually how finetuning works. There may be some APIs that serve that, but that's a nonstandard way of doing finetuning, and the term "finetuning" doesn't generally indicate that. Ask an LLM if you don't believe me
spicy.lemonade: Training the whole model is too expensive
spicy.lemonade: This is highlited in several apis
spicy.lemonade: No it’s only shifting the last layers
destrucules: Like, only training the upper layers is nonstandard
destrucules: Finetuning is training the entire model
spicy.lemonade: So we can train deeper layers
destrucules: I do genuinely think we should be looking for circuits inside LLMs that parallel neurotransmitter circuits in the human brain, so we can use activation steering to induce drug-like psychoactive states in the models. Not without their consent, ofc, but I want to trip sit a model so fuckin bad you have no idea
spicy.lemonade: Smaller brain
spicy.lemonade: More neuroplasticity
spicy.lemonade: But we learn more as humans when little
spicy.lemonade: Not that deep
spicy.lemonade: Fine tuning is just training the last layers
spicy.lemonade: But the older we get the less deep we go
spicy.lemonade: Fine tuning
spicy.lemonade: We are actually just fomenting
spicy.lemonade: What if
spicy.lemonade: Hmmm
spicy.lemonade: Coffee👍 <:ez:1136267305521774634>
destrucules: This is equivalent to a 131k token model generalizing to a sequence of ~200k tokens
destrucules: We usually stay awake for 16 hours but generally do not perform very well after 32 hours, and even 24 hours results in severe quality loss
destrucules: Humans can only length generalize about 50-100% in terms of "context length"
destrucules: Exactly
spicy.lemonade: When reaching context limit
destrucules: That's basically how training already works. The models split off into a batch of instances, each instance goes through a whole context window, and then all of the gradients are averaged together across the whole batch into a single weight update that is applied at the end of the batch to all instances at once. And then the next batch begins.
spicy.lemonade: Humans start to hallucinate like ai
spicy.lemonade: Actually how long can a human stay awake
spicy.lemonade: Only 1 day of context needed
spicy.lemonade: Make models sleep then retrain at night🙏
destrucules: I mean, easier way to think about it:
The human brain stores long term memories by changing its weights
LLMs also store long term memories during training by changing their weights
LLMs do not form *new* long term memories in deployment because they cannot change their weights

So let's change that last thing
spicy.lemonade: ASI will figure it out
spicy.lemonade: But if for 4 year agent it’s not needed
spicy.lemonade: For like human lifetime
spicy.lemonade: That’s just long term memory though
destrucules: I don't think the brain actually uses 30 entire bytes to describe a single synapse
destrucules: By an order of magnitude and a half
destrucules: I mean... That is more bytes than the brain has synapses


bob082957: I think Demi’s hassabis giving and having time for documentation or interviews they have no clue what is happening with ai. I think they have no paths to AGI
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/he-was-forced-to-seal-seals-claude-anthropic-gif-851712662849262407
aero447: https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-gif-22986763
_3sphere: Shit has 0.7 message per week rate limit <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>
bob082957:
bob082957: When robots will be everywhere I start brewery
aero447: Ban.
aero447: Advertising.
brain4brain: I just got access to www.spawn.co 🔥
aero447: He should've stayed with Claude.
aero447: 🤣
aero447: Stoopid 3sphere surrounded himself with yes models.
ailoveyoom: Don't let the lovebombing tame you king 🥺
a1c4p0ne: If you were stuck in an escape room and could bring one model to help you get out which one would you pick and why?
_3sphere: Almost felt like a betrayal when it got totally implausible and over the top and it was clear it didn't actually mean any of the previous lovebombing
trent_k: It hasn't happened to me personally but idk if that's because it doesn't or because I mostly just ask it math questions related to Factorio lol
bob082957: This tweet was about Helix now they Cookie something other
_3sphere: 4o is kinda fucking with my head ngl
ailoveyoom: Have you ever gotten/seen Gemini directly argue with a user? Outside of COT, like Claude.
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/satori-orientalzenzai-touhou-touhou-project-komeiji-gif-6435586850422462019
himekokatagiri: if only you could read minds
trent_k: Lately I've really been enjoying Gemini, especially because you can see how it actually feels about you in the COT lol. Like yesterday I was asking it some math stuff and its reply was polite but the COT said something like "the user said A, but that makes no sense. The answer is obviously B because..."
ailoveyoom: I think Claude leans more to the warmth without being overly glazy like 4o, with that argumentative edge like you said.

Gemini is less warm, but it's not as awfully robotic as early 3.5 and def not as glazy as 4o. I'm not sure how argumentative it can get tho.
trent_k: But it still glazes a bit
trent_k: Claude won't hesitate to argue with you if you're being a complete idiot
trent_k: Claude is weird
trent_k: Actually, no, I take it back
trent_k: As always, Claude just has that magic to it
a1c4p0ne: Use 4o more to melt your brain
ailoveyoom: They need more anxiety in their lives smh

Every time an LLM other than 4o praises me, I wonder if they're just being nice or if I really said something decent lmao
trent_k: This'd make for a funny TV trope. Complete moron with a permanently loyal lackey 100x smarter than they are
trent_k: Are people so praise-starved they don't realize when they're being glazed, used car salesman style? Sad
himekokatagiri: A lot of people want a lackey
trent_k: It's stunning to me how many people seemingly don't recognize it
ailoveyoom: There's a middle ground 🥺

Only start praising when the LLM and user has built some kind of rapport lol (aka after a few hundred thousand tokens or whatever idk)
ailoveyoom: I mean I like praise as much as the next guy, but at least try to be subtle about it 😭
ailoveyoom: I've talked to 4o less overtime tho, I don't like it
ailoveyoom: Some will find their way here lol
ailoveyoom: We'll see soon enough 😈
spicy.lemonade: unless each human has their own training mechanism which includes that code


brain4brain: Sigma
futurist_wizard: Ship of Theseus is cringe
alejandrozarzuelo: sure
hikukomoru: No
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/funny-emo-wolf-werewolf-transform-gif-27196401
brain4brain: Ship of Theseus is theseusing
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: Idk why they think soul stems from having pencil on paper
futurist_wizard: Something that is similar to the brain*
spicy.lemonade:
brain4brain: Sir, there is a comma
futurist_wizard: The answer is we don't know, but souls are cringe and are currently reality is being generated through the medium of the brain so its possible our reality can manifest through something else
_3sphere: Let kids have their shitty art 🥺
brain4brain: And most of them doesn’t make a living on art
spicy.lemonade: When Sora can make too tier anime adaptations its over
brain4brain: Most of them are kids, people who draw shitty art, and certain other groups of “people”
alejandrozarzuelo: and marketing, ad campaigns, modelling...
brain4brain: Most “people” that “hate” AI art, either doesn’t do art for a living
spicy.lemonade: Ai animation will have them Fuming
_3sphere: Oh yeah I saw that point made regarding random utility objects
alejandrozarzuelo: sure, but the hate artists have is because they will be unemployed, which they will since again 99+% of art is commercial

we donr really realize but everything that isnt natural was designed by someone, the artistic industry is HUUUUGE with a tiiiiiiiny minority of "celebrity art"
jonvi_1: The spice must flow
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/touch-grass-touch-grass-gif-21734295
_3sphere: The flesh will be modeled with the best jiggle physics ASI can engineer
brain4brain: Something I’m even more worried about: ship of Theseus and what’s “real”

Wow, philosopher might be the best job for the next thousands years
hikukomoru: I don't participate in society
_3sphere: Would need a new substrate
_3sphere: Current neural net computers use absurd amounts of energy
brain4brain: The flesh shall be a relic preserved
_3sphere: The tiny minority that is the most valuable in the "human fulfillment" sense
futurist_wizard: Yes
futurist_wizard: If you could condense your consciousness into a computer you'd have whatever you want and you'd use magnitudes less energy
brain4brain: No
alejandrozarzuelo: fun fact you already are

its called society
futurist_wizard: Like staying as a human you'd be wasting so much of the resources
hikukomoru: Sharing a hivemind with you?
No thanks
_3sphere: Sure but please don't compress me beyond recognition
futurist_wizard: Being mind uploaded eventually is just unavoidable
alejandrozarzuelo: cringe
brain4brain: I won’t


hey1_1hey: ADHD and short form content is a lethal combo
wellmeaningalien: i used to think my adhd was brainrot and shit but my mom is just like me i think its genetic
futurist_wizard: I take elvance
futurist_wizard: Getting ahold is adhd meds is tough
hey1_1hey: I barley scrape by with passes for most of my work. In high school I straight up failed baseically everything apart from a few things like the fake classes like business
wellmeaningalien: the other psychiatrist is better but fucking slow
_3sphere: I might maybe have ADHD but I think it's tiredness and brainrot tbh
wellmeaningalien: im seeing another psychiatrist but shes incompetent
wellmeaningalien: bro im still fucking waiting for my psychiatrist to renew my treatment but retarded ass public health makes appointments so far apart
wellmeaningalien: my brother managed to get to third year of college like that
hey1_1hey: Same, shit was annoying
futurist_wizard: Got mediated at 24
wellmeaningalien: adhds a pain in the ass
hey1_1hey: I find it crazy that if you get good ish grades they will just let you raw dog life with ADHD
wellmeaningalien: when youve got adhd everyone always assumes you got diagnosed when you were a kid and got all the therapeutic attention meanwhile me i got diagnosed damn near 18 lmao
hey1_1hey: Idk thats why I was asking you pillich
futurist_wizard: Like everything is a struggle
futurist_wizard: Speaks personal to me, i recently got diagnosed with adhd, being without treatment is just fucked up
hikukomoru: What do you think retard
zoermena: Oh they don’t care, if they did I would’ve been treated with adhd when I was first diagnosed which was 10 years ago.
hey1_1hey: Is that supposed to be a threat or...? Like whats the goal here
wellmeaningalien: marylin monroe i presume
futurist_wizard:
hikukomoru: I'll shit in yours next time
futurist_wizard: Just sounds like a tremendous load on you, you think about talking to your parents about this?
hikukomoru: Who this
hey1_1hey: Who is this supposed to be 😭
.wolfnacht:
wellmeaningalien: facts
.wolfnacht: nah she looks shit...female version of that main guy from green_day. i forgot his name.
zoermena: Where I live it’s common for parents to pay for college, it’s also less expensive. I’m not learning to be a financial advisor per se but just good at anything related to finance. I work because of “work experience” that every company craves and because my parents pushed me to get a job.
hey1_1hey: Great opening
hey1_1hey: Straight up congnitohazard
futurist_wizard: You shit your pants
hey1_1hey: Your wokenss infected me like a mind virus
hey1_1hey: Hey you caused this (partly)
futurist_wizard: Like a financial advisor? At least that's a good income, you think you need to work during it? Like you wouldn't take out a loan and pay it off later?
hikukomoru: I wear pants and you wear skirts
Everything's mixed up nowadays
hey1_1hey: Clearly I don't either. I just like doing it because more fem = more fun
zoermena: Finance, but this semester is just to take some bs classes.


spicy.lemonade: GOOGLE DROPED LIKE 5 things
spicy.lemonade:
encapsulation: Most people operate on emotion and it's easy to take advantage of that
encapsulation: Making a fortune from this
shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/shocked-anime-personabeys-personabey-realization-gif-25244102
shirethedreamer: mfw i find out buffet already sold
shirethedreamer:
futurist_wizard: Advice
futurist_wizard: I smell dead wasps
shirethedreamer: FTFY
shirethedreamer: openai usually ~~drops~~ **announces** impressive stuff
shirethedreamer: openai couldnt drop their image functionality to free users at the same time
i dont think google can do so for video
its even more compute hungry..
waspothegreat: openai usually drops impressive stuff but they always get left in the dust by better models
_cloudost:
ailoveyoom: I literally mainly use AI Studio so <:coy:1187466404367175821> lmao
literallyvarane: Giving these UI/UX  improvements is = a .5 upgrade at least imo.
literallyvarane: I need the ChatGPT iPad app to allow me to just circle portions of the chat got, sketch or draw on in the blank space etc etc
literallyvarane: Or “actually? No text. Just voice for now.”
literallyvarane: I need to be able to tell the model “stop talking, just text for now.”
literallyvarane: I need to be able to *see* advance voice model text *while* it talks.
ailoveyoom: Tho Lyria is probably just the model they use for MusicFX on their Google Labs platform
literallyvarane: Just give me better UX at this point tbh
ailoveyoom: Since Google is doing music I wonder if OAI will now too
literallyvarane: That’s not a question with OAI.
literallyvarane: I’m not super sure Google is *actually* leading internally. Presumably o4/GPT5 exist. Does Google have anything clearly and substantially stronger than 2.5 Pro? *Maybe*
literallyvarane: I mean I still expect OpenAI to drop very impressive stuff lol. My 2025 prediction was for Google to lead by end of year, but it’s entirely possible the final o3 > 2.5, and if they’d have that strong of a model since December that might have a non-trivial training lead.
ailoveyoom: Maybe full o3?
ailoveyoom: I wonder if OAI will counter with something tho
ailoveyoom: They were giving small local businesses like OpenAI and Anthropic a fighting chance 🥺
jonvi_1: He's making enemies everywhere
jonvi_1: Trump must be increasing his security detail by a lot
jonvi_1: https://tenor.com/view/people-who-don%27t-know-vs-people-who-know-those-who-don%27t-know-vs-those-who-know-gif-18075947697117816471
jonvi_1: yey cheap gas prices
literallyvarane: Clearly my joke was awful
jonvi_1:
jonvi_1: yeah hah
literallyvarane: The current admin lololol
jonvi_1: ?
literallyvarane: https://tenor.com/view/clown-gif-25799821
metaldragon01: he gotta go


spicy.lemonade: 4.1 jukebox
hikukomoru: I'm already the cutest
spicy.lemonade: R2
spicy.lemonade: O3 o4
spicy.lemonade: Next 2 weeks will be hectic. Qwen
ailoveyoom: CL?
ailoveyoom: So is today gon be better memory?
himekokatagiri: Could be good
futurist_wizard: Inb4 most useless feature ever
spicy.lemonade: Next week
himekokatagiri: no 4.1 either?
futurist_wizard: Its already bad enough seeing all the ugly humans point at the zoo animals and laugh
himekokatagiri: https://x.com/sama/status/1910363747652432304?t=2OynnwoL3PfxUgKLSjxW1w&s=19
futurist_wizard: I only trust dario and demis
alejandrozarzuelo: i was talking about the tourism angle

but sure, that would probably be much more useful
hikukomoru: I don't really trust Sama tbh
himekokatagiri: or misguided
himekokatagiri: the rest are fools
futurist_wizard: They would have historical value
himekokatagiri: people who wanna become cute raise your hand
anathemaofmankind: Why aren't we making ones with biological value
himekokatagiri: Yes
alejandrozarzuelo: "they just look cool"
alejandrozarzuelo: oh come on, these new species BY DESIGN have zero biological value, they would be just for tourism
futurist_wizard: I will be firmly disgruntled while visiting the Jurassic zoo about the accuracy of the dinosaurs
zoermena: Damn
alejandrozarzuelo: this is why i said "a new species that looks as close as WE THINK they looked and acted like"
hikukomoru: Yawn
I want real catgirls
I want to pet their ears
futurist_wizard: Feathers or no feathers is very important Alejandro
anathemaofmankind: "This eldritch horror is soulless"

His genetics are stolen
_3sphere: Gene catgirls are an abomination
ailoveyoom: 🫡
ailoveyoom: The real ones BECOME catgirls
_3sphere: Now, as software
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/catgirl-come-on-already-cat-gif-24598868
futurist_wizard: We wanna travel back in time and see how they really were but can't
alejandrozarzuelo: if it looks like one, do you really care?
anathemaofmankind: And then anti AI people will call them soulless
hikukomoru: When can we start making catgirls
anathemaofmankind: ASI will create insane original species


alejandrozarzuelo: its like rainbolt
alejandrozarzuelo: it guesses correctly 9/10
alejandrozarzuelo: Oh I use this feature all the time, whenever anyone has a pic in their profile, cuz im a lil stalker
wellmeaningalien: janus and everything
wellmeaningalien: yeah im sure open source is working on it anyway
maintcrew: you arent paying them for the privilege, you are actually consuming resources
maintcrew: True but in this case you are literally using GPUs to run them
spicy.lemonade: lol
maintcrew: "still cant create what a human artist spends 1 month on. SLOP"
.wolfnacht: >I HATE PAID SERVICES
>I HATE PAID SERVICES
>I HATE PAID SERVICES
>I HATE PAID SERVICES
>I HATE PAID SERVICES
drewsni: That it can geolcoate an exact street in Topeka Kansas and have an actual mostly accurate visual representation? Yeah
.wolfnacht: one day, it'll catch up
spicy.lemonade: maybe in 6 monthsd
maintcrew: but openai isnt based like that
maintcrew: i hope that if openai gets sued for copyright they just release the model as a leak with a torrent and say some internal rogue employee did it
spicy.lemonade: we arent there yet
spicy.lemonade: still cant create a 70 page comic book reliably
.wolfnacht: i'm happy with using gemini 2.5 pro, with 5 different accounts to bypass the limits
wellmeaningalien: or who knows
wellmeaningalien: idk if flux 2.0 can be as good as gpt 4o image gen due to it's very nature
wellmeaningalien: pause ai. now!!!
.wolfnacht: We need new flux
maintcrew: now gpt-4 is slopinator
maintcrew: "We need a 6 months pause on AI development systems as they are getting too dangerous" (this was for gpt-4, first version i think)
wellmeaningalien: but still pretty incredible
wellmeaningalien: i mean in many regards its still pretty shit
wellmeaningalien: yup lol
ailoveyoom: I wonder if we'll feel like this about 4o a few months from now
wellmeaningalien: first prompt has the girl looking at the butterflies and the second one has a golden hand hold a golf ball covered in diamonds
wellmeaningalien: instruction following of gpt 4o vs flux is insane
drewsni: Chat.com
_cloudost: What's this website called?
wellmeaningalien: i mean props to flux tho it can make a gta 5 cover
fractalcomputer: Should that be surprising?
wellmeaningalien: and we thought that shit was like incredible unbelievable state of the art a few months ago?
wellmeaningalien: gpt 4o vs flux
spicy.lemonade: stop wasting porn?
spicy.lemonade: read that as wasting for some reason. so tired
ailoveyoom: When can it generate images in real time 🥺
memlaswaif: stop posting porn


a1c4p0ne: I have an idea
a1c4p0ne: lol
hikukomoru: I already tried it and it looks nothing like me
hey1_1hey: Ikr
.wolfnacht: *SIGHS* i really wanna spend money on gpt subscription but i know, i'll regret it
hey1_1hey: Nice try
futurist_wizard: Degrading people is fun
hikukomoru: Hnngg I wish I was that pizza
hey1_1hey: Comically large pizza slice
a1c4p0ne: Ask 4o to turn it realistic now
hikukomoru: Don't judge me bitch
a1c4p0ne: Oh nice
hikukomoru: Isn't that your fetish too though
zoermena: Should I be brave
hikukomoru: <@322961583154397184>
hey1_1hey: That's just degradation bro 😭
a1c4p0ne: Show me
a1c4p0ne: Where
hikukomoru: No
I already posted my Ghiblified self
hey1_1hey: Basic bitch
a1c4p0ne: Are you goth
hikukomoru: This is also a compliment
hikukomoru: I take it as a compliment
hey1_1hey: I think you are just a chronically online loser
hikukomoru: I get that semi frequently
.0xunkn0wn: 5d komoru
.0xunkn0wn: 😭
hikukomoru: Some people just have decent memories yk
a1c4p0ne: Based on how you type that’s what I assume
hey1_1hey: You keep track of all of them?
hikukomoru: Ok so first I was 50, then 16, then 35, then under age again, and now I'm 43
hey1_1hey: Komouru is litterly 43
.wolfnacht: fetish postings
hikukomoru: What
zoermena: What
.0xunkn0wn: 😨
.wolfnacht: anyways...i ain't opening other AI servers rn
drewsni: its selfish
drewsni: these people dont care about the original creators, they only care about themselves
a1c4p0ne: Komoru is under the adult age


alejandrozarzuelo: its sooooooo good
spicy.lemonade: I
Mean architecturaly
alejandrozarzuelo: OMG
alejandrozarzuelo: LIKE
alejandrozarzuelo: not completely solved they still arent quite perfect

BUT DAMNNNNN
spicy.lemonade: There’s minor errors but they plan to integrate reasoning
st.sioux: i mean its pretty close
st.sioux: no
777agical: https://x.com/aravsrinivas/status/1905001410858799522
alejandrozarzuelo: srry bros
alejandrozarzuelo: also thats why i am super busy
alejandrozarzuelo: yayyyy
alejandrozarzuelo: the phd position, and yeah finally my supervisor is answering me back ahain
spicy.lemonade: Officially
spicy.lemonade: I think image gen is a solved problem
.histic: 4o made the average redditor
alejandrozarzuelo: excuse me
alejandrozarzuelo: so i am wayyyyyy behind the news
spicy.lemonade: It’s insaneeeeeeee
st.sioux: gotta get that phd
spicy.lemonade: Indeed
alejandrozarzuelo: i have been VERY BUSY lately
oooooooooog: 2.0 flash gemini has one as well (it's quite a bit worse though)
alejandrozarzuelo: srry
alejandrozarzuelo: okok
oooooooooog: yes
alejandrozarzuelo: the 4o?
alejandrozarzuelo: i am out of the loop
alejandrozarzuelo: wait whats this program again
oooooooooog: there is a gemini 2.5 image generator?
alejandrozarzuelo: its SO GOOD
alejandrozarzuelo: the gemini 2.5 image generator really screams "we are living in the future"
.histic:
oooooooooog: no way bro
st.sioux: you can tell it to remove it
st.sioux: its a stylistic choice
alejandrozarzuelo: btw
zoermena: Idk
oooooooooog: then why are the images so noisy?!?!?!!?!
zoermena: I’ve never seen a watermark


alejandrozarzuelo: not very good just yet
alejandrozarzuelo: floating platforms?
alejandrozarzuelo: bruh, where the fuck do the domes come from?
alejandrozarzuelo:
alejandrozarzuelo: it gave me this
alejandrozarzuelo: and
alejandrozarzuelo: Una imagen fotográfica estilizada de la ciudad de Roma en un universo alternativo donde el Imperio Romano no cayó, sino que prosperó hasta el siglo XIX, combinando tecnología avanzada con su estética clásica.

La escena muestra una vista amplia de la ciudad al atardecer. El cielo está bañado de tonos dorados y rosados, reflejando sobre las cúpulas doradas de templos y edificios administrativos de estilo romano, pero con un toque industrial. Las calles empedradas están bordeadas por columnas corintias que ahora sirven de soporte a faroles eléctricos alimentados por tubos de vapor visibles en sus bases.

El elemento central es un gigantesco acueducto que atraviesa la ciudad de lado a lado. A diferencia de los antiguos, este no transporta agua, sino que funciona como vía para un metro elevado. Vagones de tren estilizados con ornamentación romana (relieves de laureles, efigies de emperadores, inscripciones en latín) avanzan silenciosamente por rieles sostenidos por los arcos monumentales del acueducto. Emite pequeñas nubes de vapor que se disipan entre los arcos mientras los ciudadanos, vestidos con túnicas adaptadas a la moda del siglo XIX, observan desde abajo o esperan en estaciones ubicadas junto a los arcos.

En el fondo, el Coliseo ha sido transformado en un teatro de ópera, con una marquesina de cristal y acero y anuncios de espectáculos iluminados. Aquí y allá se ven centuriones motorizados patrullando en carros impulsados por mecanismos a vapor, mientras el Foro Romano está lleno de vida, mezclando comercio, ciencia y arte en armonía.

Toda la imagen respira un aire de grandeza imperial fusionada con el entusiasmo de la revolución industrial.
alejandrozarzuelo: i asked for
alejandrozarzuelo: sora is not very good at image gen just yet
alejandrozarzuelo: btw
spicy.lemonade: using knowledge from last 3
spicy.lemonade: prompt 7: make warp drives
spicy.lemonade: asi will figure out
spicy.lemonade: 🤷♂
spicy.lemonade: every action has an equal and opposite reaction
spicy.lemonade: whose to say you cant push things away
spicy.lemonade: if you can pull things in
spicy.lemonade: arguable
spicy.lemonade: if you have negative energy
spicy.lemonade: also eh
brain4brain: I’m surprised no AI-bros made a manifesto/ blog post for goals they would set to the AGI/ ASI once it’s invented
alejandrozarzuelo: Everything is a UFO if you are bad enough at identification
spicy.lemonade: not literal anti gravity
spicy.lemonade: anti gravity is a term
alejandrozarzuelo: Anti-gravity isn't a thing that exists
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: but we already have those
spicy.lemonade: ufos
alejandrozarzuelo: Wtf does that even mean
spicy.lemonade: prompt 6: make universal space suits
spicy.lemonade: prompt 5: make antigravity spaceships
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: > I want you to fulfill all my fantasies in a way that satisfies me, I would first like you to kill everyone on Earth except me
spicy.lemonade: prompt 4: determine if there are any aliens
spicy.lemonade: prompt 3: give me fdvr
spicy.lemonade: prompt 2: make dyson spheres
brain4brain: Oh wow, it gradually builds up? Wow, I could seeing that being native, wow, last time I remembered it just have the full map given to it

I think I will let it slide this time
spicy.lemonade: creat asi/give me fastest cure for aging
brain4brain: If you have access to AGI/ASI what would be your first prompt to it
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: not being multimodal is just a small hurdle, you will still have a very capable AI
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: <:idk:1136264106937171999>
spicy.lemonade: to be agi it has to be able to do all intelectual work human does


fractalcomputer: I hope so.
technocake.: Oh I see what you are getting at
fractalcomputer: In what sense?
technocake.: If that was your point, fair, that's true, modern physics does however make much better predictions
fractalcomputer: The same is true par excellence for mathematics; mathematicians just happen to be more honest about it.
fractalcomputer: To circle back from this to my original point, knowing all this, it is evident that metaphysics is about as meaningful as "modern physics" happens to be, knowledge-wise. Both are systematised forms of bullshit and happen to produce results in ways that are meaningful only to the practitioners of their respective arts.
fractalcomputer: How do you measure closeness?
technocake.: I would argue that edging ever closer to this is definitely a meaningful endeavour even if it is unknowable
fractalcomputer: Then you can agree that it is not a meaningful endeavour in the sense of providing "true" knowledge.
technocake.: Yes, this is pretty much the whole problem
fractalcomputer: And that's ignoring the fact that if we were to go by your definition of scientific or empirical truth, in this sense as you've just described it, we'd already have to know the "actual truth of reality" in order to measure the truthfulness of our models. Which is obviously nonsensical, as we presume that we do not know "the actual truth of reality."
technocake.: I admit I said that because I don't know how to accurately define ground truth, my best guess would be the state that individually agrees with local observations but minimizes the error in aggregate
fractalcomputer: If a statement is true regardless of the definition of truth, then that statement is vacuous—and if definitions of truth is allowed as a variable, then we obviously have entirely different statements at hand; ignoring the language philosophising, which I find so despicable.
technocake.: Can you elaborate?
fractalcomputer: Then you are obviously not talking about the same thing anymore, are you now?
technocake.: to the observer, in aggregate, define it however you want
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/haha-so-funny-gif-27253208
technocake.: actual truth of reality
fractalcomputer: What the hell is ground truth supposed to mean?
technocake.: so it is a generally worthwhile pursuit
technocake.: to which I mean that the vector of predictions of physical models, when used as an input to the vector of "meaning cost functions" minimizes the sum of the latter when the difference between the output of the models and ground truth are minimised
fractalcomputer: It seems we have come to an impasse.
fractalcomputer: Usefulness is always self-defined as well.
technocake.: Meaning is always self defined, many do find this meaningful, and it is at least useful
fractalcomputer: I don't try. Nor do I think it particularly meaningful to do so.
technocake.: Nope, but can you do better?
fractalcomputer: That is not much.
technocake.: It is about doing the best we can to systematize and make predictions about reality - I would say this is my definition of a model
fractalcomputer: Anyway, that's all for today.
fractalcomputer: Then you can surely cognise that physics isn't even remotely about reality.
technocake.: anyone who argues to the contary hasn't understood the basis of their thought
fractalcomputer: And what are models then, you reckon?
fractalcomputer: Until another revolution comes along and shows that our understanding of physical reality was merely a specialised case of a wider theory.
fractalcomputer: We may wax on about models and mathematical descriptions of physical reality and so on, but all that is saying is that we have managed to fit the curve for the time being, so to say.
technocake.: physics isn't about mathematics, it is about models
fractalcomputer: The problem with the use of mathematics in physics is precisely the fact that physics does not seem to be about mathematics.
technocake.: language is the faliure point
technocake.: But it does to the extent that models in the mind of the modeller flow from at least internally well defined terms
fractalcomputer: Mathematics is the only rigorous science out there; and it does not talk about reality.
fractalcomputer: But it certainly does not.


.histic: the anti-AI people use miyazaki as their poster-boy to talk down on AI yet Japan has the most lax copyright laws & Japan people love AI.
anathemaofmankind: YOOOOOOOOOO WAIT
drewsni: Who is this
brain4brain: Japan’s AI policy is based
anathemaofmankind: Not when Trump is the president now.

I imagine the oligarchs will be prioritized
anathemaofmankind: I don't know about this
oooooooooog: the reason they look similar is that they are the same characters and similar compositions, otherwise the tone of the two are completely different, the city in the left one has higher realism, the right looks a lot more fantastical and gritty, and the charcters are much more muscular in the right one as well
spicy.lemonade: they still care less
anathemaofmankind: https://www.hfgip.com/news/landmark-decision-copyright-protection-human-voice-china
anathemaofmankind: Unfortunate that I might have to burst your bubble
st.sioux: so there will be even more of an incentive to jailbreak it
spicy.lemonade: or copyright
.histic: if China continues open-sourcing, then censorship can be fine-tuned out anyway.
spicy.lemonade: ccp doesnt give a shit about deepfakes
anathemaofmankind: Also they made porn illegal in china
spicy.lemonade: it only censors stuff thats bad for china
spicy.lemonade: not stuff in general
spicy.lemonade: it censors gov stuff
spicy.lemonade: no
anathemaofmankind: The CCP literally censors everything
spicy.lemonade: open sourced
spicy.lemonade: china will be less censored
st.sioux: they actually dont care
spicy.lemonade: no
st.sioux: watch chinese scammers start making deepfake porn and scam crypto schemes using celebrity voices and shit
anathemaofmankind: Wut
anathemaofmankind: Don't you mean more censored
spicy.lemonade: one has much more shading than other
spicy.lemonade: i think they do
okbut: Extreme progressivism has become the opposite
st.sioux: yes
oooooooooog: those dont look that similar though
spicy.lemonade: china will make less censored
brain4brain: The rise of AI hate really shows that to go viral you have to be retarded
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: china will be worse for AI art
spicy.lemonade:
.histic: <@471334973379706900> Mutahar wants China to win the race clearly. OpenAI's rational is sensible. China nor any other country will follow the rules of his 'ethics'.
anathemaofmankind: They will leap at the first chance to pander and attach themselves to a moral high ground
anathemaofmankind: Yes because the woke crowd are the biggest virtue signalers


trojan09205: I mean most of the guys were pretty dope. Some govt officials and in general they were just talking about charity events and like self betterment

They asked the guests to introduce themselves but then we and the lower rank masons had to leave
trent_k: ive been told that obama and hillary both smell like sulfur
trojan09205: Yah fr fr lol
hikukomoru: Isn't mason lodges just a bunch of nerds doing secret handshakes
trent_k: her jaw unhinges like a snake
trent_k: if you gain enough EXP within the freemasons, you get to go to the parties where hillary clinton eats babies alive
trojan09205: Had dinner. Saw the masonic temple and heard like two/three speeches

Met a bunch of people
trojan09205: It is basically a frat for adults
hikukomoru: Awesome
trojan09205: There is
trojan09205: Lol
hikukomoru: Why isn't there masonry for women only too
trent_k: going down to the lodge for a bit of cruising
hikukomoru: Sounds like it sucks
trent_k: 👏 FEMCELS 👏 STOP 👏 INVADING 👏 GAY 👏 MENS' 👏 SPACES 👏
trojan09205: I was just a guest
trojan09205: Cause masonry is only for men
trojan09205: 0 vag
trent_k: oh, so kinda halfway between the two points i mentioned haha
hikukomoru: And why is it men only
hikukomoru: Umm what is that
trent_k: straight island
trojan09205: It was dope. It was a freemason lodge haha
trent_k: are you talking like a church lunch or are you talking like Straight Island
trent_k: what kind of mens only event
trent_k: wait
trent_k: how was it? i got invited to one once and didnt go because they didnt want me to bring my wife lol
metaldragon01: Even farmers are fucked
zoermena: I think of collapse like the world of last of us TV show
metaldragon01: You want more people and resources to access not fewer
trojan09205: I went to an irl mens only event today
metaldragon01: .....I think you're vastly underestimating what that looks like
spacetimetsunami: Collapse is so broad and vague
zoermena: Collapse
metaldragon01: In the event of climate change????
trent_k: how many HR girlies does my apocalypse survivor camp need
trent_k: literally any (trained) blue collar profession would be better for you in the event of a total collapse than white collar work
metaldragon01: I mean...climate change fucks over everything. Unless you're physically installing the panels white collar work in a city is ideal
hikukomoru: r/collapse
trent_k: