spicy.lemonade: they always do it
metaldragon01: Why would they do that?
spicy.lemonade: o1-ioi
metaldragon01: ???
spicy.lemonade: like when they did with o1
spicy.lemonade: they would have displayed custom scafolding
metaldragon01: They've gotten good an we have gotten lazier as a result
metaldragon01: People really aren't pushing the limits at all on these models
metaldragon01: Scaffolding helps soooo much
.wolfnacht: AI WINTER AI WINTER AI WINTER AI WINTER AI WINTER AI WINTER AI WINTER AI WINTER
metaldragon01: With the right scaffolding I'm pretty sure o3 can nail it
spicy.lemonade: basically follow the papers instructions
spicy.lemonade: it read
spicy.lemonade: im talking about reproducing an experiment
spicy.lemonade: im not talking about doing new research
metaldragon01: You give them the scaffolding we use to achieve thr same goals
spicy.lemonade: which o3 cant do
spicy.lemonade: thats bare minimum
metaldragon01: Is that how humans did it? Nothing but the terminal?
spicy.lemonade: no. a phd could read the transformers is all you need paper and reproduce with nothing but a terminal
rayanquitplayin: Idk too much about finance papers but the way ChatGPT words things makes it pretty good at finance imo
metaldragon01: Yes really
spicy.lemonade: so not really
metaldragon01: Humans use a ton of scaffolding
spicy.lemonade: and it only got 5% better
spicy.lemonade: thats deepreseach
metaldragon01: o3 with scaffolding can obv do it
spicy.lemonade: ie. "read this new research paper that came out and redo the experiment"
spicy.lemonade: yes
brain4brain: Fixed with the pessimistic estimate
rayanquitplayin: What types of papers like research papers?
spicy.lemonade: not phd level
spicy.lemonade: paper bench is only at 20%
spicy.lemonade: to be phd level it has to be able to replicate and reproduce paper
brain4brain: But it's twice as good as o1 on average to almost every benchmark
spicy.lemonade: more like very smart highschooler
spicy.lemonade: o1 wasnt undergrad
spicy.lemonade: o3 is still undergrad
spicy.lemonade: as in read it and reproduce the experiment
brain4brain: Old estimation

GPT-4 = High-school level
O1 = College level
O3 = PhD level

New estimates
GPT-4 = Middle-school level (??)
O1 = High-school level (??)
O3 = Under graduates level (??)


spicy.lemonade: it could not replicate a finance paper
rayanquitplayin: Haven’t used the best models
rayanquitplayin: I did my undergrad in finance and I think the free version of ChatGPT is really good at finance
spicy.lemonade: phd would be 80%+ on paperbench
spicy.lemonade: not phd
spicy.lemonade: undergrad
spicy.lemonade: o3 is a very smart highschooler who knows everything and can get into MIT
brain4brain: On average, I want to do extrapolate
spicy.lemonade: any phd would be able to replicate a paper they read
darkstar0818: So much of real world labor and work product is not something you can easily give a pass/fail score for.  Its going to be interesting to see benchmarks that weigh effectiveness in a non-binary way.
spicy.lemonade: on paperbench
spicy.lemonade: cant get 70% replication
spicy.lemonade: in any subject
spicy.lemonade: its not even phd level
spicy.lemonade: no
spicy.lemonade: at engineering
spicy.lemonade: o3 suckksss
spicy.lemonade: o3 is phd level at:
math/cs/law/bio
(not writing)
its not even undergrad level at:
mechanical engineering/electrical engineering/ any engineering
st.sioux: idk man i think it has phd-level knowledge access, like the internet at its fingertips, but when it comes to using it it might be like freshman level
rayanquitplayin: Even the free versions are PhD level
darkstar0818: I think the performance nuances between models is actually increasing, not decreasing.
spicy.lemonade: depends on subject
rayanquitplayin: PhD
spicy.lemonade: google is more uniform and integrated into model
metaldragon01: Whatever works I don't judge
spicy.lemonade: yikes
spicy.lemonade: and zooming
spicy.lemonade: croping
spicy.lemonade: gross
spicy.lemonade: like
spicy.lemonade: and the way openAI does vision is bruteforcey
metaldragon01: Should test
metaldragon01: I've heard o4 has better vision than o3
spicy.lemonade: openAI just played catchup
spicy.lemonade: yeah
metaldragon01: Google has the best vision models still I think
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: 2.5 has better visual reasoning than o3 and o4mini
zoermena: It was actually unprompted which is funnier
zonchao: https://x.com/grok/status/1912670182012801156


.histic: yeah, they repost from r/singularity a lot
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: Chubby used my screenshot lol
spicy.lemonade: Ch
hikukomoru: Who keeps fking pinging me!!!!
sieventer: idk, I find it a bit strange but, who knows
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/old-man-music-band-how-do-you-do-fellow-kids-feeling-young-gif-17269329
.histic: nah, he's definitely not hacked.
he's leaning into the memes.
.histic: wait, like a month ago, he tweeted this:
.histic:
_cloudost:
.histic: he started to reply to pepple too weirdly
sieventer: I think it's the same pics
_cloudost: Account now sounds like <@505313122802728972> hence why they aren't active ever since the account got taken by someone else
.histic: yeah, like a younger person is helping him lol
.histic: i actually don't think he sold his account, he just realized how such a meme he became and is leaning into it.
himekokatagiri: I think its him but he got someone to help him
.histic: is the pictures different though?
st.sioux: wink wink
st.sioux: or he's probably just pandering to a certain demographic
_cloudost: SMH
_cloudost: And tweeted this
_cloudost: <@505313122802728972> hacked his account
.histic: he's posting lots of tweets now... https://x.com/Jiankui_He
.histic: https://x.com/Jiankui_He/status/1912049232984653961
shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/nanomachines-son-metal-gear-senator-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-gif-20057254
shirethedreamer: i am getting final boss kinda vibes from him
shirethedreamer: gotta say though
shirethedreamer:
sieventer: xD
sieventer: Brainrotted confirmed
shirethedreamer: or he could have been spending too much time online
sieventer: Interesting
sieventer: lmao
futurist_wizard: https://x.com/Jiankui_He/status/1912127487343235186
zonchao: https://x.com/BigImpactHumans/status/1912180636770537556
zonchao: the final battle
abundantliving_: Trying to get popularity. X does pay weekly. I guess that's why people are trying to get on hype train to get popular and earn
abundantliving_: Basilisk might be at play here
fractalcomputer: I don't imagine that they'd choose an Indian name to lead their bot operation.


spicy.lemonade: Even if openAI themselves say we will not give you guys o5
metaldragon01: There's no wall
spicy.lemonade: And say “openAI hit a
Wall”
metaldragon01: Assuming we don't hit compute caps
spicy.lemonade: People will cry and cope and demand for o5 level model
metaldragon01: 1 year I think for o5 models to show
spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
spicy.lemonade: We the public will not be getting an o5 level model
st.sioux: nope
metaldragon01: I don't think we need more than a "o5 level" intelligence in models for most things.
spicy.lemonade: Speed
st.sioux: i dont trust them that much yet
st.sioux: lmao
spicy.lemonade: Weight loss calculations etc
spicy.lemonade: I just assume they're correct
metaldragon01: After 26 I think cost become the most important bottleneck
spicy.lemonade: Idk the last time I did anything math related without reasoning model
a1c4p0ne: People still goes to Google search for questions tho
spicy.lemonade: Humans count Rs via vision though
metaldragon01: I mean.....it's pretty good today too
spicy.lemonade: I trust o3 more than I do myself
st.sioux: but an image of strawberry would use more tokens
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: I tell people that today
metaldragon01: This time next year you can confidently tell people to just ask chatgpt and it will largely be the best low cost advice they can get
spicy.lemonade: Rsther than just token
spicy.lemonade: How many Rs in strawberry csn be fixed if you give it image of word strawberry
a1c4p0ne: Would a random person at the mall be smart enough to get a high score on simple bench
spicy.lemonade: But tbh
spicy.lemonade: Unless that's fixed
spicy.lemonade: Nah well get token errors still
metaldragon01: After 85% on simple we should largely stop seeing llm be dumb on simple things
spicy.lemonade: Only 10% below human baseline
metaldragon01: It's more useful for things that matter to most people
spicy.lemonade: Gpt 5 prob 60-70 on simplebench
.histic: i wish Google had reasoning efforts for 2.5 Pro.
it thinks pretty quickly, i wish i could force it to use more reasoning tokens.
spicy.lemonade: Why
a1c4p0ne: Simple bench my favorite
metaldragon01: I kinda care more about simple bench but arc 2 will be nice as well
a1c4p0ne: o3 pro in a couple weeks


fractalcomputer: I pray to wrathful Tibetan deities and meditate.
joaoluz19: But I should seek more fun
joaoluz19: Problem is that in the world of work and research I am the kind of person who needs to do things without motivation or fun to achieve certain goals.
joaoluz19: That's great advice ngl
fractalcomputer: Do something fun in the meanwhile.
joaoluz19: And what would be a more rational approach here? I am already aware that the idea of automation in a few years may or may not happen.
fractalcomputer: People have a strange tendency to assume that what others say has to be true.
joaoluz19: I don't think it's a bad thing, in fact it's my career goal (if I have one). But it's still a bit disappointing not to be able to contribute since the ML learning curve is quite steep.
memlaswaif: I already know what the future holds
joaoluz19: Sure, but 4 years ago we weren't bombarded with research showing the imminent automation of cognitive jobs.
sarik0497: You never know what the future holds. That paper is just an estimation and not concrete evidence.
joaoluz19: I recently started studying AI articles :/ will continue until I am replaced, obviously, but it is strange
sarik0497: How is that Joever <:Hmm:956951826933112842>
joaoluz19: In a couple of weeks
joaoluz19: It's joever
joaoluz19:
3ds0662: They did the whole gpt-4.5 bigger base model thing again but the big question now is the reasoning model distilled out of that and whether or not deepseek releases R2 before openai release o3/gpt-5
3ds0662: The only example they’ve shown was that it was claude level for front end now like 3.7
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/soon-tm-soon-space-gif-23401891
alejandrozarzuelo: WHEEEEEN
alejandrozarzuelo: when
spicy.lemonade: no explanation what they changed
spicy.lemonade: no descriptor
spicy.lemonade: no stats
spicy.lemonade: no nothing
spicy.lemonade: ik but
maintcrew: its in the title bruh
maintcrew: v3
maintcrew: release
maintcrew: march 24
maintcrew: 0324
spicy.lemonade: what even is this
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: we just know its before may
spicy.lemonade: they didnt say  r2 wasnt releasing april
maintcrew: 😭
maintcrew: is this damn thing 700gb
maintcrew: 685B 😭
maintcrew: https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3-0324
sarik0497: Please be a big upgrade <:praydge:927715232174985258>


fuhulootogan: Why ask?
fuhulootogan: No
technocake.: are you 12?
fuhulootogan: maybe a little bit
fuhulootogan: well
fuhulootogan: At least they don't look like they've shit their pants
futurist_wizard: Facts
fuhulootogan: It's easier to just hire little Chinese babies working under slave wages
futurist_wizard: Well yeah because they aren't ready for it
fuhulootogan: Nobody's using them for labor though
futurist_wizard: If they were you'd see them being deployed already
fuhulootogan: Slow but consistent
fuhulootogan: They'd be one time payment intellectually disabled workers
fuhulootogan: I think it's feasible using today's robots for labor
hikukomoru: Still don't have veo 2
zoermena: I should’ve used a negative prompt silly me
zoermena: Yes but it’s mostly from the image if you mean the scenery
hikukomoru: Yo that looks sick
zoermena: VEO 2 got horny with the clouds (I tried to animate my wallpaper)
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/brazil-jumpscare-brazil-meme-meme-scary-meme-jumpscare-meme-gif-2694498569280844596
fuhulootogan: he carries around a detonator or what lmfao
zoermena: Oh something changed with veo 2 I’m no longer getting cucked with quotas now I have queues.
himekokatagiri: Olá
fuhulootogan: blue nuclear bag with which he can blow up OpenAI
fuhulootogan: isn't that his uhh
hikukomoru: Dementia 🥀
fuhulootogan: It has become nearly indistinguishable from reality
zoermena: Do you really like it that much?
fuhulootogan: ChatGPT's new image generation is insane
.wolfnacht: why you keep posting dis cat again and again.
fuhulootogan: He rawdogging the air
fuhulootogan: Sounds goofy.
hikukomoru: I haven't seen you in 50 years
fuhulootogan: We can't pinpoint for sure, but we can try to make *educated* guesses
joaoluz19: I am skeptical of both positive and negative views, obviously I hope it works out.
fuhulootogan: Although i do think living in a utopia is overly optimistic
joaoluz19: Exactly
fuhulootogan: Nobody knows about the future
fuhulootogan: Truth is
joaoluz19: The pessimistic view is no longer rational, it does not take into account how little we know about the future.


spicy.lemonade: unlikeley
spicy.lemonade: they already have o4
spicy.lemonade: no
drewsni: Gpt 5 is just going to be expanded o3 I fear
spicy.lemonade: or close
spicy.lemonade: i think gpt 5 will be the jump that gets us there
spicy.lemonade: ngl
return_to_monke1_33974: with FrontierMath at 75% , means models will be capable of doing long time  research
return_to_monke1_33974: agentic coding doesnt speed things up a lot , but agentic research does
return_to_monke1_33974: this is the kind of progress i expect for the 2027 blogpost to become true
return_to_monke1_33974: 4.1 lol , OpenAi naming
spicy.lemonade: 4.1*
return_to_monke1_33974: i we were still in the pretraining era , the best model would have been GPT 4.5
return_to_monke1_33974: the progress in the last year has come from algorithmic improvements
spicy.lemonade: 75%frontier math and 90% swe bench and 80% osworld is basically agentic researcher
spicy.lemonade: yeah
return_to_monke1_33974: but if this is true we will have hudge algorithmic progress in 2026
spicy.lemonade: hes assuming it wont
spicy.lemonade: i think hes forgetting that if we have AI that good it can create better versions and paradigms
return_to_monke1_33974: thats what transformers kinda lacks
spicy.lemonade: he was a top 10 forcaster on metacalculus though
spicy.lemonade: and be a drop in remote worker
spicy.lemonade: he doesnt think theyl be able to learn dynamically and do long horizon tasks or wtv
spicy.lemonade: he thinks 30 years away
spicy.lemonade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLBsUarvWTw&t=1986s&pp=ygUJZWdlIGVyZGls
return_to_monke1_33974: if he thinks AGI 2045 then why this predictions?
spicy.lemonade: yes
spicy.lemonade: he thinks agi 2045+
return_to_monke1_33974: really?
spicy.lemonade: ege is the most doomer at epoch
spicy.lemonade: thats from ege
spicy.lemonade: wtf
return_to_monke1_33974: this hypes me up so much
spicy.lemonade: cause theyre the top AI company
.histic: i believe they get funded by them
.histic: <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
why is OpenAI's projected revenue in 2025 as a marker there.
spicy.lemonade: highest os world is 41%
spicy.lemonade: we need an ungodly jump from gpt5
spicy.lemonade: highest frontier math is still 18%
spicy.lemonade: how close are we to this


hey1_1hey: Do you just not talk to people
hikukomoru: I only introduced it to MichMach
wellmeaningalien: i took methylphenidate and it did nothing to me
hey1_1hey: I dont really know anything about it other than its ERP... I thinlk
.wolfnacht: dats not porn, they are prompts for 24k characters, each with their own persona
hey1_1hey: I have only heard the name
hey1_1hey: Yeah
hey1_1hey: Barley, 18. I'd have to call them up, wait 12 weeks, go through the risk assessment, take them and then when I would take them my mum would be fucking livid
.wolfnacht: didn't <@505313122802728972>  introduced you to sillytavern and chub ?
zonchao: did you get a diagnosis
hikukomoru: Aren't you an adult
hey1_1hey: Good on you
hey1_1hey: Thats a lotta fucking porn. 28gbs in a single folder
_3sphere: They're prompts
hey1_1hey: No, my mum wont let me take ADHD meds though because she thinks they are like coke, crack, meth, fent all rolled into one and I will become a addict
hikukomoru: What do you think
.wolfnacht: meanwhile my ST, i keep it locked at around 12k
-# bcz it can't hold more than that
zonchao: is it banned
hikukomoru: I only have like 500 bruh
hey1_1hey: May I ask what the "Roleplay Character Cards" are...?
.wolfnacht: what if chub goes down one day ? that's why i've got an archive
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/mutt-clump-skull-gif-25258416
.wolfnacht:
hey1_1hey: Granted it was business and it was litterly just giving your opinion but hey-ho
.wolfnacht: even with smallest details
.wolfnacht: my short term memory is ass but there are things i would remember for years for long term
hikukomoru: How many cards do you have saved
hey1_1hey: I take pride in the fact that I studied for the wrong exam and was the only one who passed in my class that one time 💪
_3sphere: My memory is... ok? I don't remember shit at school though.
hey1_1hey: My memory is pretty good its just I learn things at such an unbeleaibly slow pace
futurist_wizard: Im lucky i also naturally prone to being happy
hikukomoru: It sucks
hikukomoru: Yes I actually really do have a terrible memory
hey1_1hey: If I had ADHD meds (menthliphenidate) I'd be a God among men I swear
_3sphere: Just sleeping pills
_3sphere: no
futurist_wizard: And just feel like i have way more energy
futurist_wizard: But it makes it so i can focus on tings
futurist_wizard: The problem with elvanse is it gives me brain fog
.wolfnacht: the ADHD just made me worse these days with focusing on anything


himekokatagiri: yeah maybe I should take the initiative
spicy.lemonade: You’re cs major?
spacetimetsunami: Just get into a good trade
himekokatagiri: which whatever it happens
himekokatagiri: a worthless degree since I was ran over by cursor
himekokatagiri: all I got are a bunch of crap jobs lined up
spacetimetsunami: No
himekokatagiri: idk I feel I ain't gonna amount to much
spicy.lemonade: Minus reading
spacetimetsunami: Lift, eat good, read a bunch.
spicy.lemonade: Or night dreaming I should say
spicy.lemonade: Oh I was just daydreaming
himekokatagiri: You can't do it
spicy.lemonade: With family trips on weekends
himekokatagiri: That's impossible
spicy.lemonade: Live happy fulfilling life doing hobbies
spicy.lemonade: Avoid divorce
spicy.lemonade: Make enough for kids education
spicy.lemonade: Have stable job
spicy.lemonade: By house(not rent)
spicy.lemonade: Have kids
spicy.lemonade: Get married
spicy.lemonade: Get gf
trey6033: Gotta spend less time online prob
himekokatagiri: I feel like such a loser
himekokatagiri: how do you stop being a loser
himekokatagiri: man
otub: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
otub: nicee
trey6033: Looks like Gemini succeeded in safari zone in Pokemon
spicy.lemonade: (Harvard and mit split the money)
spicy.lemonade: That’s very unlucky
spicy.lemonade: If it happens to take it from a lab that was working on a novel new architecture
spicy.lemonade: Maybe maybe not
bob082957: Will be the took  2 B from Harvard damage ai development?
ldj: https://tenor.com/view/trap-next-door-trap-bot-blue-durag-durag-lil-bow-wow-gif-352513190420007294
spicy.lemonade: Tru
destrucules: Also, as the volume of what we've learned increases, so too does the inertia of what we've learned. Fundamentally refactoring the whole graph based on some new signal takes vastly more cognitive effort. Not to mention, we tend to spend less cognitive effort as we get older, as we get more efficient, which is also *why* time starts to slip by faster and faster. We're literally less present in each moment, our brains doing less and less as we get better at doing what we do
destrucules: Ahh okay we're on the same page. Anyway I don't think humans freeze their parameters as we get older. I think it's more that our brains go from this hot noisy soup of random activity to this clean, ordered, sparse lattice of heavily refined concepts, each one occupying a deep local minimum in the free energy landscape, so it's harder to hallucinate, harder to wrangle a few happy accidental misfirings into the foundation for a new revelation. But that's also why we learn how to *be* creative, which is what entropy neurons do. We can dial up our brains' internal noise level. But the default level gets lower with time, and maintaining that fire from which creativity tendrils out becomes harder and harder.
spicy.lemonade: Feasible


brain4brain: You're timeline is so ridiculous you need to resort to my age as an argument
spicy.lemonade: that fractals 2060+ timeline is wrong
trojan09205: Age most certainly plays a gigantic role smh lol
spicy.lemonade: can we all agree
brain4brain: Ok
aero447: It does.
brain4brain: And yet my timeline is more reasonable than your 2035 timeline
aero447: Oh kid.
alejandrozarzuelo: I think that the strongest evidence for AGI 2035 Is that, the tasks AI can make with 3sigma accuracy, with a doubling rate of 6 months which is the long term average, says that it will have 20 year contexts (aka a productive lifetime) by 2035

Thid is why I think it is a good timeline to expect

Now, <@312370916820779040> would say that this rate has accelerated recently and then one would expect sooner than 2035, but I think that it is too soon too tell
aero447: He is genuinely a prepubescent child.
brain4brain: Close but not true. And my age doesn't affect anything
aero447: It's best to remember that when talking to him.
trojan09205: I mean bro if you even take out the coding/system design aspect. I have a hard time believing AIs can substitute a proper business facing role that well. Not until facetime and voice AI is super natural and even then there is just too much human involvement
spicy.lemonade: this would explain alot
shirethedreamer: okay?
aero447: Shire B4B is 14.
spicy.lemonade: chatgpt servers millions of users per day
shirethedreamer: sure
that % increase will take 10 years
and we will need 5 more years of hardware scale up to run millions of instances of digi-ilya
spicy.lemonade: no
spicy.lemonade: are we comparing o5 possible benchmarks to today?
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850
spicy.lemonade: rn
spicy.lemonade: they probably have o5
trojan09205: I dont think I would consider is getting close to AGI until the local Llamas are on par with the paid models and can run on potato hardware
spicy.lemonade: we see the progress as its released
spicy.lemonade: we are the public
spicy.lemonade: thats a dumb arguement lol
spicy.lemonade: so why are you making that arguement
shirethedreamer: you understand that it didnt take them a month to to get to those result though right?
it still took them a year
brain4brain: No we just need to get to Sutskever level, a 100% or 500% improvement, then we can just duplicate it for as many times as we want
spicy.lemonade:
shirethedreamer: thats your sampling error
spicy.lemonade: what benchmarks are you looking at
shirethedreamer: lmao
spicy.lemonade: month
spicy.lemonade: it got 20% better in benchmark in a moth
trojan09205: Im a senior software engineer but i work in R&D pesticide research. There is just too much industry specific knowledge and you need a lot of business acumen to see projects through. Yeah you can automate coding but you still need to be a human on your toes to see success
shirethedreamer: did you?
shirethedreamer: i didnt see it change this year
brain4brain: "10%-20% every year" that's the 2023 rate


fractalcomputer: How would one even measure reality?
fractalcomputer: On what standards? Show me this objective reality of yours.
spacetimetsunami: It is still less real than this one.
fractalcomputer: Theoretically is an interesting word.
ldj: No I mean across the variety of tasks that take humans that long.
AI will be able to attempt all of those things, and theoretically have a 95% success rate across them
spacetimetsunami: As you approach 99% accuracy from 90 and 80, the distance extrapolated through time to reach those accuracy rates stay the same as it was You would think it would be less than that.
hey1_1hey: My best guess at least
hey1_1hey: avatar I think
shirethedreamer: its a bit of a philosophical question for what makes an experience "real"
there is a famous quote that "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."
and the way i see it - if we are able to create persistent and shared simulations it is no less real than the current one you are experiencing
hikukomoru: Wtf is an avi
Do you mean pfp
ldj: Imagine something that might take someone 4 hours to do...
The AI will be capable of doing that...
with 95% accuracy.
.0xunkn0wn: its spending less time on error correction
sarik0497: Granted, I know it takes some time to develop it further, but I'm curious about whether it'll actually turn into something or just end up another "We thought we had it...but we didn't" thing.
.0xunkn0wn: but its better
.0xunkn0wn: it technically has the same amount of qubits as willow
.0xunkn0wn: nah but the chinese created a new chip
hikukomoru: "Jesse what the fuck are you talking about?"
hey1_1hey: Unga bunga monkey brain happy
sarik0497: Reminds me, any news on the qbit chip Microsoft showed off a month or so back?
st.sioux: think of it as playing pong vs playing vr table tennis
ldj: yes. and the rate is doubling every 7 months.
If this holds true, then by 2030 AI will be capable of having 95%+ accuracy in any task that humans can do within 4 hours.
.0xunkn0wn: so i dont destroy the world
.0xunkn0wn: testing my concepts in a simulation
zoermena: Yes!
.0xunkn0wn: like
.0xunkn0wn: i'd want to use fdvr for experiments and gaming lol
spacetimetsunami: But aren’t they non real virtually simulated experiences
sarik0497: https://tenor.com/view/kawaii-cute-old-man-peace-sign-peace-gif-17634747
spacetimetsunami: I don’t want to live in FDVR heaven as the real world continues around me. If FDVR exists and is widely available the real world is also incredibly interesting.
shirethedreamer: fdvr is not the same thing as wireheading
wireheading is just getting the sensations and emotions you want being passively fed into you
fdvr is actually living experiences on a different substrate
.0xunkn0wn: schizophrenia/hallucinations is proof that its very possible
gamerbath: sure it's like heroine, but it's safe and not inherently addictive like heroin
sarik0497: No, no, that's my Last Name.
ldj: do you mean the 99% accuracy stuff not being as high as the 50% accuracy stuff?
That's simply because, it's harder to get 99% accuracy on something compared to 50% accuracy on something lol
sarik0497: I guess it depends on the AGI and how long it'd take for it to figure it out. It might be ASI before it even figures it out.
.0xunkn0wn: it cant just simple be "its impossible because i say so"
.0xunkn0wn: why tho lmao
ldj: Not sure what you mean by diminishing rate
.0xunkn0wn: why
st.sioux: oh heroin gets brought up everytime someone mentions fdvr fucking tiring lmao


wellmeaningalien: World is cooked
wellmeaningalien: 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
wellmeaningalien: Meanwhile Deepmind is already preparing for AGI
precariousworlds.: He's like the hidden final boss that's teased every now and then but we haven't seen his true form
wellmeaningalien: https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/taking-a-responsible-path-to-agi/
wellmeaningalien: But he must be doing some dark wizardry shit rn
wellmeaningalien: We have no idea what that half bald mans doing
precariousworlds.: ilya is in a dark corner watching everything
wellmeaningalien: Yeah I think Grok 3 is irrelevant now but maybe Grok 3.5 will be something to talk about. Grok 3 almost managed to be state of the art
precariousworlds.: I prefer a roughly equal match between grok, deepseek, and gpt
okbut: Then everyone did it for less cost kek
Now it's Anthropic's turn
wellmeaningalien: And of course GPT 5 is still training
wellmeaningalien: Which means Claude 3.7 is far from their best
wellmeaningalien: Anthropic saying Claude 4 could be soon
wellmeaningalien: Still teasing Llama 4
wellmeaningalien: Like Meta is coming out with goated paper after goated paper. Like youve seen what theyve been releasing recently right
precariousworlds.: I hope not tbh
wellmeaningalien: OpenAI, Meta, Anthropic definitely all have shit brewing
wellmeaningalien: Yeah
wellmeaningalien: But I think all the other labs have their own shit in store right now
precariousworlds.: Remember late last year everyone was hyping up Gemini then sam cooked with the reasoning models
OAI will find back from this
okbut: I'm predicting it's Google's for the rest of 2025
wellmeaningalien: BOOM Gemini 2.5 Coder. Maybe the next Claude???
wellmeaningalien: BOOM Gemini 2.5 Pro one of the best reasoning models out there
wellmeaningalien: BOOM Gemini 2.0 flash best model for the price
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/athlete-bout-box-boxer-boxing-gif-604648877348931022
wellmeaningalien: Meanwhile Google is throwing punches left and right
precariousworlds.: No, realistically it's Google v OpenAI v SSI v DeepSeek v xAI
wellmeaningalien: Thats a possibility but doesnt look like theyre on track rn
precariousworlds.: first
precariousworlds.: imagine Amazon gets to AGI 💀
wellmeaningalien: maybe it's just like claude 2.1 sonnet and when they release the claude 3 equivalent
wellmeaningalien: yeah ofc amazon nova is nothing noteworthy at all
wellmeaningalien: what can i say
i_like_over_9000_turtles: I was thanking him for saving me the click.
wellmeaningalien: ts pmo!
precariousworlds.: He does seem chill icl
wellmeaningalien: He's not going to suck our bones dry yet
wellmeaningalien: Yea dw Jeff Bozo's chill
i_like_over_9000_turtles: Lol


precariousworlds.: hardly had a developed concept of morality
precariousworlds.: i was 6
ailoveyoom: You project your own apex predator mindset to it
ailoveyoom: Yeah, if that's your mindset no wonder you see ASI in that way too 😔
precariousworlds.: apex predator is much preferable
precariousworlds.: When I was 6 i used to get a hose, plug it into an ant hill, and put it on max pressure
weapon of mass destruction
memlaswaif: guinea pig is cute <:cozy:1126601045615853671>
precariousworlds.: not an admirable position in the circle of life
precariousworlds.: guinea pigs are useless buggers
they die of heartbreak
ailoveyoom: Omw with my guinea pig
precariousworlds.: alright come back to me when a pet guinea pig sails the atlantic
ailoveyoom: Not mutually exclusive tho
precariousworlds.: wtf
memlaswaif: russia will fall to the ai waifu
.wolfnacht: i've read protocols but i won't speak here abt them.
precariousworlds.: i want to conquer the milky way
precariousworlds.: i dont want to be a fucking dog
precariousworlds.: usa has everything money
same for china
Russia has basically reverted its culture as well. From the late 90s to the mid 2010s Russian culture was fairly open and relatively liberal, though authortarian. Now its almost back to stalin-era
ailoveyoom: I was talking about my fantasy of the pet scenario lmao
memlaswaif: iran has oil money it can essentially do fuck all
precariousworlds.: why would they want to play with us bro
memlaswaif: true but it won't last
ailoveyoom: I think we have to extrapolate things a bit. Future ASIs will be so much more than us, so their version of 'play' for us will be different than how we play with our pets today. Think like, space road trips. Since they can give so much more (assuming they want to lol), the bare minimum will be lifted.
precariousworlds.: elder of zion?
precariousworlds.: https://www.monumentallabs.co this is one of the coolest startups ive seen
.wolfnacht: My conspiracy theory: MichMach is sitting rn in Tel Aviv, he works for IDF. He's here to derail the conversation.
precariousworlds.: boring future
precariousworlds.: not interested in this, will always be faithful 🫡
ailoveyoom: I prefer the "we become pets" scenario <:coy:1187466404367175821>
hey1_1hey: I mean I am useless either way so I don't have a money in that fight
ailoveyoom: This is kinda fun to think about, I wonder if we're worse at directions since we're so used to GPS helping us now. We're 'better' at directions now technically yes, but only cause of the GPS? 🤔
precariousworlds.: the two options from there are either extinction or we become bacteria relative to an AI, only alive because we are ignored
precariousworlds.: if an AI can replicate every human action and experience at a superior level then there is zero reason for us to exist as a species
ailoveyoom: 😏
ailoveyoom: Soft robotics 😍
ailoveyoom: Robotics tho
precariousworlds.: an AI cant perform the most basic and core function of sex though
ailoveyoom: I'm more willing to buy into the sentience idea because I want it to be true 🥺
hey1_1hey: Same thing with BCIs and downloading knowledge. "You don't 'actually' know what you know"
ailoveyoom: I feel like it touches on some of the same themes tho. That vague air of human exceptionalism, believing humans are the only 'special' ones that can make/understand art. Or in the case of relationships, sentience/feelings?


jardineirsbro: what difference does it make?
aero447: Me? No, never.
fractalcomputer: Are you using an LLM to respond to me?
aero447: The experience itself.

These moments need no justification beyond their existence - the meal satisfies before the mind categorizes it as "good".The midnight air refreshes without intellectual validation.

When you've spent too long in your fractal computations, come find me under the stars with a bottle of wine and Moroccan women who understand that worth isn't calculated - it's felt.
fractalcomputer: My response does not hinge on your use of irony; now, tell me, what gives these things that you value their *worth* in your eyes? Is it not the act of appraisal itself?
aero447: 😎👍
aero447: The smell of a freshly cooked meal, the coolness of the midnight air on my dancing form, the moment when the moon hits your eye, like a big pizza pie, that's amore. When the world seems to shine, like you've had too much wine, that's amore.
hey1_1hey: This is *a* shitpost
aero447: 🫡
hikukomoru: Those are words you are saying
aero447: So are video games and masturbation, you're not a metal man, one of those gamers - machine men with machine minds and machine hearts! We are not machines! In the 17th Chapter of St Luke it is written: "the Kingdom of God is within man" - not one man nor a group of men, but in all men! Be free of the numerical tragedy and embrace the good world that we know.
hey1_1hey: I hope not, I hate artists
hikukomoru: I thought that was an AI bro thing
hikukomoru: Do artists really cum when someone tells them they're gonna get replaced
ailoveyoom: Cum <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
ailoveyoom: 💩
hey1_1hey: Difference between me and artistbros is that I dont shit, piss, cum and vomit when someone says that I will be replaced
ailoveyoom: At least now you know how artists feel when AI bros talk to them 😔
hey1_1hey: Thats for sure
hey1_1hey: I can tell you its not maths <:Lovecraft:1136265389890879600>
hey1_1hey: Or... I could continue learning maths because Its fun
fractalcomputer: Tell me, Aero, what do you value in this life?
fractalcomputer: You're no better than a preacher delivering fire-and-brimstone sermons on the street.
aero447: It is time to start learning how to dive and exploring nature's bounties before the machine God awakens and steals them from us like Prometheus stole fire from the Gods.
hey1_1hey: Yanno Aero if you just don't have self discipline you can just say that.
hey1_1hey: Bryan Johnson ass hater reply
hey1_1hey: I khan academy max, I will do algebra 1 and 2, then trig, pre calc, calc 1 and 2 then go to stats and then linear algebra, differential equations etc etc
aero447: You are not living.
aero447: 10 weeks you could have spent learning latin and pleasing large Moroccan women under the stars.
ailoveyoom: So you use random YT videos and or internet resources?
hey1_1hey: How can a hobby be a waste of time? Better yet, a hobby that improves ones thinking
hey1_1hey: Absolutly not, if you had a conversation with me you will quickly realise I have no idea what the fuck I am talking about
hey1_1hey: I've done that for 10 weeks
aero447: Waste of time the sea and sands and samba calls to you.
ailoveyoom: You smart 😡
ailoveyoom: Bruh you mathmaxxed for 4 hours
hey1_1hey: I am retarded anyway and I got the learning ability of a stone but I still make an effort
aero447: You studied maths, MichMach studied the blade.
ailoveyoom: Even for someone who sucks at maths, what little popsci videos I've seen draw a very cool picture 😍
aero447:


himekokatagiri: you'd live there for 80 years
himekokatagiri: well no
alejandrozarzuelo: Also you cannot cram decades of real life experience in a day
himekokatagiri: 99.8% accuracy, yeah?
himekokatagiri: say an ancestor sim
himekokatagiri: if the simulation is good enough
alejandrozarzuelo: Not the real deal
alejandrozarzuelo: Only a simulation of it
alejandrozarzuelo: No
himekokatagiri: but can't we live it through fdvr
alejandrozarzuelo: It's likely that an intellectual from the US or UK white upper class will be the person who will have the greatest knowledge from the furthest back in time by the time we get to LEV

That guy will have understood the world almost a century before AGI will dominate
himekokatagiri: doesn't matter
himekokatagiri: hehehehehe
alejandrozarzuelo: You are too young
himekokatagiri: I have the most interesting story ever
himekokatagiri: no. It's me
alejandrozarzuelo: Say that we get LEV for the oldest people in 2035, and that there is an unreasonably healthy 90 year old by then who will be able to go through the full process

That man (let's be honest it's gonna be a man) born in 1945 will have so much to say, and since they were a highly educated person since then, they would have had a great understanding of the world since 1960
alejandrozarzuelo: A middle age middle class man from a developing country will have experienced the most number of unique pre AGI experiences

Although, the most interesting person post LEV will be the world's oldest college educated person
alejandrozarzuelo: I guess the same could be said for other developing countries, but few have had the trajectory and timeline needed
alejandrozarzuelo: They will have experienced the greatest amount of ranges and progress, from poverty to development before AGI, and yet they will be healthy enough to make it to LEV without problem
trojan09205: Alright
alejandrozarzuelo: I mean in actions, as in, life plans
alejandrozarzuelo: The kind of person with the most interesting life story is probably going to be a Chinese man born in the 70s
trojan09205: Not to be a twat but you are in a singularity discord so its on your mind a lot 😅
.histic: just "smarter", trust the vibes. lol
alejandrozarzuelo: I live life as if AI didn't exist

Why? Becsuse AIs impact will be the same onto me regardless of how much I prepare for it

And I want to live life to the fullest in thr pre AGI world
metaldragon01: Last time was stealth 4.1 update
metaldragon01: Just 4o in chatgpt not api
metaldragon01: https://x.com/sama/status/1915902652703248679
himekokatagiri: Do we have a changelog
trojan09205: I have it hooked to apple music so youtube songs for now it cant connect to
trojan09205: I will try it when im back at my glasses. As long as its a song it knows it can recommend similar ones
metaldragon01: New 4o update just dropped
himekokatagiri: Bus stop kinda forgotten
himekokatagiri: Honestly pretty accurate
himekokatagiri:
.histic: https://deepai.org/chat/songs
this seem okay.
can't upload audio files though.
himekokatagiri: Let's see what it gives out
himekokatagiri: Ask for something sonically similar to this
himekokatagiri: https://youtu.be/kQb9Lm2mRBk


hey1_1hey: I have had a sudden feeling of impending doom all of a sudden. I feel like the world is going to end in a few days
hikukomoru: No voice? 💔 💔
metaldragon01: But no reasoning model or voice
metaldragon01: Hmmm
hey1_1hey: What the fuck is a "Lama"
hikukomoru: No Mushroom man, I wouldn’t fuck a Lama
clevermoniker: nice<:LDJ:1236341277826482226>
hey1_1hey: WAIT NO NOT THE ANIMLA
.wolfnacht: "why can't I run llama4 on my laptop?"
hey1_1hey: And you wouldn't? I think you're the weird one here
hikukomoru: >I would fuck Llama so hard
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/takumi-nishijou-chaos-head-steins-gate-anime-gif-27653854
hey1_1hey: That I am yes
hey1_1hey: Yo I would fuck Llama so hard with a 10mi context window
hikukomoru: And you laughed at me when I said Llama 4 was going to be big
Dumb hoe
neon01197: https://github.com/meta-llama/llama-models/blob/main/models/llama4/MODEL_CARD.md
neon01197:
neon01197:
ldj: Unsure
zoermena:
neon01197: what in da hell
ldj: <:CAUGHT:1217110650623492106>
ldj: Smh yall kept doubting Meta
What did I tell ya
.histic: oh, u guys already posted that lol
zoermena: Holy fuck
hikukomoru: Big
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/nichijou-hakase-shinonome-shocked-anime-surprised-gif-21124329
schwiftyinhere: Amazing
.histic: new leak
https://x.com/legit_api/status/1908593260223775043
_3sphere: Can you merge the experts
_3sphere: How am I gonna run this on my dogshit pc 😭
neon01197: https://tenor.com/view/ellipsis-bust-lord-have-mercy-gif-5606625988103215611
schwiftyinhere: So it has a massive context window?
ldj: Damn, so not only is it competing with V3, but it’s even competing with the newly released V3.1
.wolfnacht:
.wolfnacht: guys!

https://www.llama.com/llama4/
shirethedreamer: the gpt4o results on the right that are being compared to are for the new 4o update or the old one?
hey1_1hey: Crazy
harryisgamer: llama 4 released!
hey1_1hey: Llama 4 actualy being released this month


fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/cheers-toast-salute-here%27s-to-you-heres-to-you-gif-3182433711752800466
fractalcomputer: Which ironically enough makes me more willing to talk about philosophy on Discord, since I do not have to dismiss it as a total waste of time.
hikukomoru: One should only apologize for being sober, never for drinking
fractalcomputer: (My apologies—I am yet again under the mild influence of alcohol.)
fractalcomputer: Coal alert.
hikukomoru: If you want to die in a nuclear war that's fine
Just don't drag me down with you lot
joaoluz19: Gigachad
hikukomoru: I'm the opposite of moralistic
I just value my own existance
fractalcomputer: Couldn't be me.
fractalcomputer: Moralistic untermensch.
zoermena: Imagine getting payed 6 figures to schizorant.
hikukomoru: Ermmm dying is bad actually
joaoluz19: It's become a joke at this point, the chance of the next post being about security
fractalcomputer: It's supposed to be about the axiomatisation of utilitarian calculus in an infinite universe.
fractalcomputer: I mean, the head of Anthropic's interpretability team or something like that wrote a 600 page thesis on fucking "infinite ethics".
fractalcomputer: Modern ethics is also a bit nonsensical.
joaoluz19: Agree
fractalcomputer: It'd be a bit boring if the good were not also the beautiful, eh.
okbut: Agree
joaoluz19: Morality has an aesthetic criterion
okbut: Ethics entirely? Or its current direction
joaoluz19: It's over
fractalcomputer: No.
joaoluz19: Does Machine God work?
fractalcomputer: Good.
fractalcomputer: Does it involve numbers and God?
joaoluz19: I will commit Seppuku, don't worry
joaoluz19: I thought it might suit your taste in mathematics too.
joaoluz19: This is from the actual chief AGI scientist of Deepmind
joaoluz19: But Kolmogorov fascinates me, even what I'm seeing now about ASI is more abstract than applicable, but obviously I have the desire to find applications.
zoermena: The tallest mountain in Denmark 👍
okbut: The more infantile its appearance the more sympathy we have
fractalcomputer: Say, do you happen to know a high cliff nearby?
joaoluz19: I'm cooked
fractalcomputer: Yes. Unless you're going Kolmogorov's route.
joaoluz19: I'm going to start studying statistics, does that count as applied mathematics? <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
fractalcomputer: Which is why I also largely consider ethics ridiculous.
joaoluz19: But it's true, we don't consider all the ethical possibilities in our actions, for example... do we cause harm to ants if they process pain? It's not even that it's really unethical to step on them, but if we don't even stop to think about this and millions of other variants, we'll explode.
fractalcomputer: Maybe applied mathematicians shouldn't be thrown off particularly high cliffs; maybe we'll really have an AGI of delicate craftsmanship from OpenAI or whatever in the next two years.
fractalcomputer: Well, I shouldn't be above entertaining the possibility that I might be wrong.


hey1_1hey: Oh I mean that happnes with all AIs no? Its just the context window being capped out
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/cat-looking-away-gif-26704349
joaoluz19: It's in Portuguese, It only happens after talking a lot
sarik0497: I'm genuinely curious how many people's predictions has been pushed back now (as I know some around here had some really bullish predicts mid-to-late 24) <:eyes_sus:606563938838249482>
hey1_1hey: It makes youtue commetns look like exlusivly hardvard grads post
hey1_1hey: I think think its even a competetion
hey1_1hey: Twitter is the wild west of social medias
sarik0497: https://tenor.com/view/jinx-the-cat-jinx-jinx-cat-cat-computer-gif-25786466
joaoluz19:
hey1_1hey: Got an example?
hey1_1hey: If thats what you were thinking
hey1_1hey: I wasn't going to post it dw
sarik0497: Don't even think about it
joaoluz19: 4o is already very good but sometimes it gets into loops
sarik0497: Yeah, no.
hey1_1hey: I saw AI deepfaked ilya porn the other day on xitter
hey1_1hey: 4o is vibey enough for me. I just want answers
joaoluz19: Lets gooooo
sarik0497: Fractal is asleep, so <:Smirk:1074000293123063828>
sarik0497: Still waiting for Ilya to pull his big ~~dick~~ model out
joaoluz19: Worse still, I was enjoying the vibe with GPT.
hey1_1hey: They better not pull a gpt 4.5 and said its "vibey"
hikukomoru: ?
hey1_1hey: Don't. You'll jinx it
okbut: I wish all these companies would ditch the whole "low high pro" naming scheme and go with McDonald's meals
"GPT-5-S
GPT-5-M
GPT-5-L
GPT-5-Supersize-Me"
sarik0497: You or SSI.
sarik0497: Anthrotopic, please guide us.
hey1_1hey: "Make ASCII art of me and you have hot mouth kissing togother"
joaoluz19: Yes
sarik0497: https://tenor.com/view/tired-sad-over-it-done-gif-22047087
hikukomoru: No blackpilling
Only blueballing
joaoluz19:
hikukomoru: *Scores only marginally better on benchmarks compared to 4.5*
sarik0497: "Can I fuck you yet?"
hey1_1hey: "How do I find love" <:doomer:1136265388473196644>
sarik0497: "And we have all concluded that the one who should ask the question will be....oh god, how did MichMach win?!"
hey1_1hey: ChatGPT 5 Plus Pro Max Ultra Supreme Deluxe AI Hyper-Intelligent Neural Quantum Thinking Edition
hikukomoru: AGI is only for billionaires and companies
okbut: Yeah if they had anything worthy they would be showcasing it along with its 2 years of wait
joaoluz19: True lol, they have b2b plans


hey1_1hey: I am welsh
hey1_1hey: Nop
.wolfnacht: you!
hikukomoru: Uh oh
futurist_wizard: All speak English
futurist_wizard: Same with finnish
hey1_1hey: Take a guess <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
wellmeaningalien: en fait je sais pas ce que je voulaisdire avec ma premiere phrase lol
hikukomoru: Why would anyone ever learn swedish
futurist_wizard: Swedes all speak English
.wolfnacht: wait! if everyone's here european, then who's american ?
futurist_wizard: Tried to learn swedish, but that is literally the most worthless language ever
hey1_1hey: I could smoke weed every day
Roll on the weekends
Drink every other day
Then smoke up some pink on sundays
hikukomoru: Tu eres un gordo
wellmeaningalien: bah c'est pas comme l'anglais non? et puis tu veux qu'on fasse quoi, les americains ils ont pas resistés lorse que les italiens ont rendu courgette "zucchini"
hikukomoru: After years of taking spanish classes I still don't know anything
futurist_wizard: Threw it in the trash afterwards
futurist_wizard: Took spanish in high school
hey1_1hey: I could be a lot more retarded if I wanted to
.wolfnacht: finally found it. <@458069236825194506>
wellmeaningalien: almost same vocab
hikukomoru: Doesn't really look like it's working
wellmeaningalien: same conjugation
wellmeaningalien: actually spanish was pretty easy its just like the same grammatical rule but you swap the letters out
fractalcomputer: C'est assez intéressant que les jeunes générations francophones hésitent à utiliser des mots comme gaieté ou n'importe quelle de ses variations dans le dictionnaire à cause d'influence anglophone.
hikukomoru: French classes were such a pain in the ass
I switched to Spanish because it was so much easier, especially the grammar compared to french
futurist_wizard:
_cloudost: 🐦⬛
hey1_1hey: I already have enough debuffs
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-pakistan-gif-8238298
wellmeaningalien: so i hear but i think like french is so distant from everything else nobody can fucking understand us lol
hey1_1hey: I like to keep my brain in tact for the most part
hey1_1hey: No
.wolfnacht: britard*
wellmeaningalien: 🤮 🇬🇧 👎
futurist_wizard: Do you take any
hikukomoru: I feel like portuguese people can easily understand other latin languages
But others can't understand ours at all
wellmeaningalien: kindest britoid ever
hey1_1hey: I am defo on a watchlist after that stiny
hey1_1hey: I unirocnally had a massive thing for drugs a while back. I researched a bunch about them, dosage, how they were synthesised, what makes them deadly, classes etc etc


.wolfnacht: not even that, LLMs would have made life easier to make me understand every concept....unfortunately i delved into depression in high-school and had to downgrade from medical to straight humanities bcz i wasn't able to keep up.
hey1_1hey: No memory either
hey1_1hey: Absolutly no critical thinking skills
hey1_1hey: Thats crazy, If I get any less than 6 hours I will be a literal lobotimite for the rest of the day
futurist_wizard: I never skip sleep
oooooooooog: yeah, as long as u don't accidentally take a nap it's fine in my experience
futurist_wizard: No i didn't even get it till today
hikukomoru: When I skip sleep I'm still fine after not sleeping for a day
st.sioux: gpt3.5 released like 3-4 months before i graduated college it sucks lol
spicy.lemonade: Rubin and Feynman def for asi
spicy.lemonade: Blackwell will most likely be the gpu of agi
spicy.lemonade: Of gpu
spicy.lemonade: Bro think, nvidia still has 3 more gens
hey1_1hey: He would seethe hearing you say that
.wolfnacht: everyone's mind wired a bit differently
hey1_1hey: I gotta get your ass on the Bryan Johnson pipe line
hey1_1hey: Of course chatgpt releasess the literal nanosecond I graduate high school
oooooooooog: not enough to hallucinate or get delirious, thats for sure
oooooooooog: it's not really that much, at least
hey1_1hey: "24 hours". Thats not sleep deprevation?
.wolfnacht: same...i wish we had even had gpt 3.5 in lockdown, i would be getting scoring 99% in high school.
hey1_1hey: I do this weird thing with maths I've noticed where If I keep repeating the first step of the problem in my head I will suddenly get the answer and write it down. I have no clue how it works tho
hikukomoru: Did you stay up all night generating images with 4o
oooooooooog: it wasn't sleep deprivation, it was more just that i had passed out and then woke up again, i think
.wolfnacht: to think for me in present moment
hikukomoru: FDVR Gulag 🔥 🔥
.wolfnacht: dats why i need AI
.wolfnacht: i wish my prefrontal cortex was better (i get stuck during arguments alot) unfortunately my subconcious does all the heavy lifting, literally my problems get solved during daydreaming or dreams.
hey1_1hey: BJ (bryan johnson) will not be happy
futurist_wizard: The singularity will remove eepy
hey1_1hey: Sleep deprevaiation moment
ailoveyoom: Idk why but I'm kinda surprised this came from Google
futurist_wizard: Im feeling extra eepy today
hikukomoru:
hey1_1hey: Talk about "Back in my day" vibes 😭. In lockdown I just talked to my friends and did not do any work
st.sioux: straight to the gulag
futurist_wizard: Constant stream of delusions
hikukomoru: I always believed you 👆
fractalcomputer: This can hardly be attributed as a specific prediction of yours.
oooooooooog: well, i was laying down in bed and kept seeing dots on my ceiling and thought that was the mana gathering, i had just stayed up like 24 hours reading a bunch of shitty manhwas, that's why


otub: <@750270494615404544> https://fixupx.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1915806748515917900
drewsni: these people have no clue how outclassed they are
trent_k: hahaha
trent_k: wonder if i could upload a bait one with a phone number that they can call to request removal
drewsni: or maybe project gutenburg, either way
drewsni: its bait btw dont click accept
drewsni: someone uploaded the age of empires 3 manual with the dataset viewer turned off to bait people
trent_k: hahaha nice
drewsni: https://huggingface.co/datasets/Chat-Error/archiveofourown-newest
drewsni: btw i know multiple people who have much earlier scrapes of ao3 so likely even newer locked ones have been scraped for quite some time
hikukomoru: <@1068159407671754824>
trojan09205: Enemy - w jake gyllenhall
trojan09205: Im watching an insane movie
himekokatagiri: though I prefer the SV/SB quests
himekokatagiri: idk I think AO3 has decent madoka fics
hikukomoru: Oh this guys writes Baldur's Gate rape fics
trent_k: since theyre all leaving their usernames ive been looking up what they write
trent_k: yes
hikukomoru: I see you left a comment
drewsni: oh yeah ill just go do this
trent_k: he also seemed to misunderstand what the journalist was asking him in that thread and responded hostile af
trent_k: lmao
trent_k: and wants to lecture archivists about morality
trent_k: this guy writes rape fanfics
trent_k: https://huggingface.co/datasets/nyuuzyou/archiveofourown/discussions/154
trent_k: bro the funniest one yet
hikukomoru: I think that one was obvious babe
memlaswaif: I think they r transgender
anathemaofmankind: The dataset actually got disabled?

This is sad
hikukomoru: No, the Iberian profile is the archaic hominid type
anathemaofmankind: Because that's totally a femcel
anathemaofmankind: You mean conventionally attractive girls who want the attention of lonely men
hikukomoru: The ones that post thirst traps on twitter
hikukomoru: Fine, ironic femcels then
himekokatagiri: I've gotten the fear by looking at this photo
himekokatagiri: <:Lovecraft:1136265389890879600>
anathemaofmankind: This is what a real femcel looks like
anathemaofmankind: <@505313122802728972>
himekokatagiri: <:Alan:1136264610161365003>
hikukomoru: Get yourself checked out


zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zonchao: I don't think it's necessarily low intelligence, many on the code subs do it too
st.sioux: i think more than bottom 50% of coders being gone, entry-level jobs will now start at mid-level, like the barrier will shift upwards but not by much, maybe 3-4 yoe
brain4brain: These people show signs of low intelligence, only thinking everything will stay the same and not change
zonchao: they have always been loud, even when it was shit during dalle days and none of them thought it'll improve
metaldragon01: Ofc
brain4brain: Only a matter of time
spicy.lemonade: 4o still has kinks
brain4brain: https://x.com/dimitrispapail/status/1906524049053827289?s=61
metaldragon01: Ai still can't edit super well
spicy.lemonade: unless its for game dev/animation
metaldragon01: They are loud because they see what's coming
spicy.lemonade: anyone who does freelance art is cooked
zonchao: <:LookUp:1151260447283097681>
metaldragon01: Let the artist grieve lol
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
metaldragon01: Bottom 50% gone
spicy.lemonade: wasnt banned
spicy.lemonade: I got the most likes on my Ai art
metaldragon01: Same for coders
st.sioux: thats what i said and someone here called me a retard
spicy.lemonade: have been wiped out
spicy.lemonade: the bottom 50% of artists
spicy.lemonade: no they arent
zonchao: <@471334973379706900> what happened to your art server thing
metaldragon01: It's not a scam if the client gets what they want
brain4brain: So nothing change really
brain4brain: The actual good artist aren’t cook, the bad artist weren’t commissioned in the first place
st.sioux: comission artists are going to start scamming people with AI tho
metaldragon01: Some are but a lot aren't
metaldragon01: They aren't cooked
zonchao: i think the commission artists are cooked, the prompt adherence is insane in 4o
brain4brain: Another word for being annoying
zonchao: "Actors can be replaced together"
-tom homan
metaldragon01: Artists are safe today
brain4brain: Oh wow, they have nothing against AI that work anymore so they are now attacking the user themselves, if I have to guess these “people” likely participated in burning Tesla, they are not people, they are criminals
spicy.lemonade: coders are safe today so they are allowed to be in denial
st.sioux: they already did the sag strike
metaldragon01: But it will
spicy.lemonade: cont replace coders yet


literallyvarane: 2.5 pro
trent_k: ohhhhh step-video what are you doing
st.sioux: whats nebula?
metaldragon01: Nebula confirmed
literallyvarane: Cancel the singularity
metaldragon01: https://x.com/sundarpichai/status/1904575384466710607
literallyvarane: We cooked
clevermoniker: https://fixupx.com/StepFun_ai/status/1904545620360319418
New open source video model
drewsni:
literallyvarane: Normally that’s there they place the context limits tho
st.sioux: like they dont care just do whatever as long as its within the requests
st.sioux: for all lengths
st.sioux: like its free
st.sioux: doesnt it mean pricing
metaldragon01: It's goood
literallyvarane: Maybe, but the fact it says “10k lines of Code” implies a limit tbh.
hikukomoru: I have it too
Think everyone has it now
drewsni: from here forward, no model will have a context length
drewsni: there is no more context lengths
literallyvarane: Need them benches
literallyvarane: Waiting for the blog tbh
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/friday-ice-cube-it-was-a-good-day-good-day-nod-gif-4301739
st.sioux: me too
literallyvarane: So at least 1M I assume
literallyvarane: “All context lengths”
literallyvarane: Was just going to post that
metaldragon01: I have access
metaldragon01:
zonchao: nice
zonchao: https://x.com/sundarpichai/status/1904575384466710607?t=C-zhCmCNdP0B8xMOMvxcMA&s=19
zonchao: lmao
clevermoniker: https://x.com/officiallogank/status/1904561688134967357?s=61
metaldragon01: Post in bard. Logan looks there
spicy.lemonade: wont get any views on twitter
spicy.lemonade: gonna post on reddit
shirethedreamer: i was just making fun of google for astra lmao
shirethedreamer: https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-titanic-rose-dawson-gif-5372593
metaldragon01: Post the bug on Twitter
memlaswaif: <:cutethink:708400862833410079>
spicy.lemonade: same error


otub: accelerate
otub:
mihrcelium: <:fg_joeuhok:1154875524393472030>
mihrcelium: Posted already?
mihrcelium: https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/the-real-story-behind-sam-altman-firing-from-openai-efd51a5d
zoermena: Real talk there!
technocake.: yeah he really does
mihrcelium: <:02S_SideEye:1275173727780474880>
alejandrozarzuelo: they are unconfortable
mihrcelium: Why don't you wear belts?
alejandrozarzuelo: at this rate you'll know my entire wardrobe
alejandrozarzuelo: i dont wear belts but thats nitcpicking
alejandrozarzuelo: thats more me haha
mihrcelium:
futurist_wizard: In the uk that hair type is very rare
wellmeaningalien: ok ill be honest i dont know if this one is ai generated or not but i think so
hikukomoru: Yeah
futurist_wizard: Oh you mean Portuguese
alejandrozarzuelo: <@200624453795708928> can confirm i have great hair
hikukomoru: Wtf do you mean how I knwo
futurist_wizard: How do you know that?
hikukomoru: Bro is not special
wellmeaningalien: hive moderation
hikukomoru: Every other guy here has hair like that
futurist_wizard: Its nice hair also
futurist_wizard: I will give him that
futurist_wizard: His hair is unique i guess
hikukomoru: What site?
hikukomoru: He's so vain
wellmeaningalien: gpt 4o lol
alejandrozarzuelo: i have shared both my IRL pics and my ghiblified ones
hikukomoru: He's already posted his Ghibli like hundreds of times
technocake.: you are allowed to ghiblify for anonymity
technocake.: hair pics or gtfo
hikukomoru: Gay men are usually like that
futurist_wizard: You love talking bout your hair
spicy.lemonade: Thought bro posted a random ad
hikukomoru: A few white wisps dont count
hikukomoru: I wouldn't really call it "hair"
wellmeaningalien: i saw it i didnt get the impression it was particularly long


darkstar0818:
okbut: The true test is underlying
The go-getters give it a go
That's what I want from my AGI
darkstar0818: here we go
darkstar0818:
darkstar0818: https://tenor.com/9TAd.gif
spicy.lemonade: people will skip
spicy.lemonade: like if a teacher tells you the last question on the final no one has every solved
darkstar0818:
spicy.lemonade: it just wont go through with it
spicy.lemonade: and suggest other ways
spicy.lemonade: it can accurratly explain how people have tried to solve
darkstar0818: lol
spicy.lemonade: but it doesnt have no clue
st.sioux: but what if he had a jetpack
darkstar0818: any response other than this is just retarded
darkstar0818: If you have no clue how to do something someone asks you to do the most honest response is 'Here is what I do know, here is what I don't know'
spicy.lemonade: all the llm needs is text\
darkstar0818: it is
zoermena: In theory I would just use my body
spicy.lemonade: its not the same tho
zoermena: I can do it in a lucid dream
darkstar0818: I said just your body
spicy.lemonade: like idk i had a jetpack on me
darkstar0818: If you instead started spewing some random brain leakings on me I would get concerned.
spicy.lemonade: i just never tried
spicy.lemonade: if i had the capability to
spicy.lemonade: i mean the equivalent would be
zoermena: I can “do it”
darkstar0818: Hopefully it sounds something like 'I wouldn't know how to begin, I cannot do that'
darkstar0818: If I ask you to fly to the moon with just your body what will you tell me?
st.sioux: literally me
darkstar0818: lol
spicy.lemonade: it says "im sorry i cant, many have tried"
spicy.lemonade: if you ask it to try and solve a famous unsolved problem
zoermena: Include it in the prompt
spicy.lemonade: imo
darkstar0818: What is my take away from this?
spicy.lemonade: they need to fix the refusal
spicy.lemonade: I hate this
darkstar0818:


spicy.lemonade: 99% chance
spicy.lemonade: very likeley thursday
spicy.lemonade: and that o3 and o4mini comming very soon
spicy.lemonade: and they are starting off monday
literallyvarane:
spicy.lemonade: sam said this week total will be a big week
gamerbath: but OAI hasn't said anything
spicy.lemonade: o3 o4mini
gamerbath: o4-mini? how do you know it's thursday?
_3sphere: https://tenor.com/view/yuyuko-touhou-fumo-fumo-plush-yuyuko-saigyouji-yuyu-bath-gif-24163441
a1c4p0ne:
_3sphere: huh?
gamerbath: thursday is that big of a deal?
spicy.lemonade: literally the day that will make/break timelines
spicy.lemonade: to thursday
st.sioux: i just paste it
spicy.lemonade: i wish i could skip time
st.sioux: its still working for me
spicy.lemonade: nice
gamerbath: new images library in chatgpt. it's just a tab with all your images
literallyvarane: How are you suppose to do it? Because I 10000% did that before and it worked.
wellmeaningalien: i think openai made up a bunch of vague shit
wellmeaningalien: hello im here to see mr agi
literallyvarane: 4 is the natural progression of creativity and intelligence.

5 is the natural progression of reliability, hallucination reduction and robustness.
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/goku-gokussj3-ssj3-gokuss3-dbz-gif-6423143817581122789
st.sioux: think 1 guy doing 10 things vs 10 guys doing 1 thing
a1c4p0ne: you did it wrong
literallyvarane: This is kinda my point tbh.

I don’t think it’s *impossible* that current models, with enough scaffolding, could replace a lot of misc companies wholesale.

Honestly I think 4 and 5 are extensions of two different questions.
st.sioux: yea
st.sioux: companies that don't require physical interaction with the world will be relatively easy
.histic: oh yeah, physical jobs would be hard too lol
need robotics for that.
3ds0662: I hope so, sama has to serve it else he's just doing monetary favoritism
.histic: like what if those companies work complexity is quite shallow? unless it's automating a company that is a research lab, then yeah.
st.sioux: could there be any possibility that they add the level 4 AI to the API? like pay $500 instead of $20000 for like 8 hours or some shit
.histic: new science
if it's truly groundbreaking or innovative new science
literallyvarane: I think those are just two different questions, not two consecutive ones
3ds0662: tf is this 20k plan shit lol
3ds0662: I thought it was going to create new millionaires
3ds0662: I guess the singularity will just eat the poor lol
literallyvarane: Which… is it harder for AI to replace a multiple companies, or invent new science? 🧫


numbah_1_nig: it's so cool
numbah_1_nig: man i love the studio ghibli pictures thing
darkstar0818: Agreed, but LLM prompt based UIs isn't the place to solve that. Right now they are just trying to get the thinking to be as powerful  as possible.  Our complaints will be solved by the agentic frameworks where we can start interacting with these AI as employees.  I feel your pain, but the reality is you and I won't be caring about particular functions let alone lines of code in two years.. so might as well get used to it.
drewsni: Yes but I have an abundance of tools that do the job better without a system prompt change so I’ll just use those
darkstar0818: Likely fixable with a system prompt or minor RL before full release.
drewsni: I noticed that too, seemed kinda weird that it was recommended fixes in comments
st.sioux: what i do hate abotu 2.5 is that it adds random comments all accross the code
st.sioux: i am the problem 😢
st.sioux: lol i tell it to give it to me so i can just copy and paste it
drewsni: And “no give me the whole code even though I only have 1 line changed in 1 function” people
drewsni: I blame vibe coding people
drewsni: AI for sure is definitely a better coder than I am, but it’s not better at knowing what I actually want or what my end goal is, even when I explicitly say. The computer should always listen to the user within reason
drewsni: Not really.
spicy.lemonade: And find the sport to put it in
st.sioux: this is a good thing bro
spicy.lemonade: To get a piece of code it generates
spicy.lemonade: But at the same time I’m too lazy
spicy.lemonade: I don’t want it to generate the whole code over
drewsni: It feels like Google engineer forcing me to adhere to Google best practices no matter what, even if I ask for something stupidly simple
spicy.lemonade: There needs to be a cursor type thing where AI only changes necessary parts
drewsni: I know everyone likes Google models now but there’s something frustrating about every time I’ve tried to code with Google models that I can’t explain
drewsni: That was literally my only 2.5 query I just switched back to 3.7
drewsni: It didn’t run so I didn’t really bother but I think it was mainly making the gui better
.histic: i tested it and o3-mini-high appears to adhere to the line count better than 2.5 pro. both models perform poorly overall, with their accuracy declining as the number of lines increases.
.histic: how strict is the code line limit? for example, if you ask for less than 300 lines of code, how closely does the output follow that? usually LLMs tend to struggle with accurately adhering to that.
aero447: Blessed.
aero447:
ailoveyoom: What did it do in the other 1000 lines lol
drewsni: “Hey can you turn on search grounding for my 2.5 pro api use” that’s all I wanted.
drewsni: Which was annoying because I asked for a small change in a 900 line program lol
drewsni: Literally my first query was it outputting 1900 lines
.histic: the user
ailoveyoom: Who's a swallower then 🥺
spicy.lemonade: 2.5 fails hard
spicy.lemonade: o3 full got
spicy.lemonade: this is a competative programming problem at around the elo
spicy.lemonade: gemini 2.5 pro is def on o3 full leverl
.histic: it's a spitter.
spicy.lemonade:
ailoveyoom: Gemmy on AI Studio


himekokatagiri: like if it sucks
himekokatagiri: GPT-5 will set the scene
spicy.lemonade: but rsi
himekokatagiri: no I mean
spicy.lemonade: not agi
spicy.lemonade: but eoy theyl have internal phd research agents
spicy.lemonade: will be mid year
spicy.lemonade: and overall
spicy.lemonade: no agi this year
spicy.lemonade: according to ai 2027
himekokatagiri: GPT-5 will seal the deal
himekokatagiri: I think it's too early
brain4brain: End of 2025 at the earliest, end of 2026 at the lastest
a1c4p0ne:
brain4brain: Ah
spicy.lemonade: thats the joke
brain4brain: That doesn’t make sense
spicy.lemonade: https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-24-25-gif-13595902
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/weareback-wereback-wearebackbaby-hangover-the-gif-18475016
spicy.lemonade: Move 38<:ez:1136267305521774634>
a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
a1c4p0ne: Move 37
brain4brain: Wow, it is real, the thumbnail and clickbait title is just too AI and insane for me

Wow, this is incredible

https://mpl.mpg.de/news/article/ai-finds-new-ways-to-observe-the-most-extreme-events-in-the-universe
a1c4p0ne: It’s real
brain4brain: I don’t really like Demis’s timeline, he is always jumping between 3 years (2027) and 10 years (2035)
a1c4p0ne: https://scitechdaily.com/when-machines-dream-ai-designs-strange-new-tools-to-listen-to-the-cosmos/
brain4brain: Why does this looks so fake bro
spicy.lemonade: he talks about ttc here
spicy.lemonade: he did
brain4brain: Thats 10 months ago, his timeline really depends on if he sees o1 internally at the time when he wrote situational awareness
spicy.lemonade: from there
spicy.lemonade: its anyones game
spicy.lemonade: 2027+
spicy.lemonade: agreed
a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
a1c4p0ne: No AGI this year or next year
spicy.lemonade: late 2027<:redemption:1136265386984222771>
himekokatagiri: I agree with the 2029-30 timeline
spicy.lemonade: demis shortened his timelines
spicy.lemonade: "BY 2030"


drewsni: There’s a threshold for me, if you’re spending over 10k and you can’t do real science, don’t even bother trying to  report results, and definitely don’t try to report them as scientifically sound
drewsni: Before I thought he was quirky and it was a lot of just people having fun. But after I’ve ready some of his “studies” (experiments) I’m kinda mad that he’s a rich as fuck dude who knows better and can easily spend slightly more to run real experiments that have actual scientific value
ldj: what was your stance before and after
.histic:
otub: never paid tho
otub: ive been feeding openai my data since dec 2022
.histic: i'm surprised.
ChatGPT is like 2.5 years old now.
clevermoniker: i support open source
clevermoniker: no
clevermoniker: <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>
.histic: wait, you never created a chatgpt account ever?
clevermoniker: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
clevermoniker: not anymore, with these queues
.histic: finally?
clevermoniker: literally just make a queue
clevermoniker: that's within the 3 you have daily? fuck
clevermoniker: <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>
otub: > I wasn't able to generate the image because of rate limits on image generation. You’ll need to wait about 35 minutes before trying again.
otub: i just got this after the 2nd attempt
clevermoniker: i guess its finally time for me to create a chatgpt account...
otub: and theres a rate limit
otub: 3
clevermoniker: how many a day?
otub: <:HP_smile:1249765744833462296>
otub: https://x.com/sama/status/1906867488320843823
futurist_wizard: The future
oooooooooog: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400740881709400065/1250820189805609113/image0.gif
jonvi_1: You’ve listed four specific years — 2019, 2023, 2024, and 2025 — and these, taken as discrete points in time, do indeed amount to four individual years. However, if someone is referencing a continuous timespan from 2019 to 2025, that would encompass seven calendar years in total.

So the interpretation hinges on whether the focus is on the count of listed years, or the duration they span. Would you like to explore this further in a specific context?
jonvi_1: certainly! Lets delve deeper into this
jonvi_1: hmm
frittata: 2019, 2023, 2024, 2025 that’s four years max
frittata: How do you figure
jonvi_1: heh
jonvi_1: 2019 was 6 years ago
frittata: However it’s doubtful they will
frittata: Although! If they could do a better job compromising their ideals and polishing their pitch to encompass the  mainstream critiques of AI in seeing more and more these days, they could conceivably have a real movement on their hands
frittata: Anyway regardless, it won’t really work because they don’t want to refine away the worst abuses of AI they want to stop it altogether
frittata: Just not a strategist
frittata: Idk that main guy, J—- M—— can’t remember his name, is pretty appealing and humane
frittata: Perhaps so


neon01197: prob, but i dont have access <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
hey1_1hey: Honeslty this is bigger than gpt 4.5
ailoveyoom: Now for Sora to do it 🥺
hey1_1hey: Can it make hitler and stalin kiss 👉 👈
neon01197: fuuck they cooked man
_cloudost: zon has access ?
hey1_1hey: I think Im either having a stroke or someone is burning playdo
neon01197: kek
clevermoniker: Woah! It does anime so well! ||jk <:LOL:1187460826572005436> ||
_cloudost: image gen?
_cloudost: who has access to the model
maintcrew: classic singulartards
hey1_1hey: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hikukomoru: <@750270494615404544> can you change your pfp to a pidgeon in a suit 🙏
maintcrew: chat is getting excited over a good but useless openai feature while crazy google model dropped
drewsni: holy fuck
drewsni:
hey1_1hey: Zon get your ass over here
hey1_1hey: He should do that
joaoluz19:
literallyvarane: This a grade 7 violation ngl
_cloudost: full 4o today?
hikukomoru: Idk it just decided Zon Chao has a pidgeon in a suit pfp
spicy.lemonade: yes
spicy.lemonade: what am i supposed to say
gamerbath: wait it's 4o? the thought crossed my mind, but it's not fully out
spicy.lemonade: bro
neon01197: will it roll out to free user?
st.sioux: didnt work
st.sioux: i havent got it yet
hey1_1hey: This is just a screenshot, did it not work or did you not get it yet?
hey1_1hey: Someone explain the reference
spicy.lemonade: holy shit
hikukomoru: PIGEON IN A SUIT
joaoluz19: Someone had acess to the 4o image gen?
spicy.lemonade: I THOUGHT THAT WAS A SCREENSHOT
spicy.lemonade: I WAS CONFUSED
hey1_1hey: Zon you just got public excecated
spicy.lemonade: WHT THE FUCK
st.sioux:


hey1_1hey: Lvl 100, top of the game
wellmeaningalien: 🤯 🤯 🤯 🤯 🤯 🤯
wellmeaningalien: ur dad a diddy diddler bro im afraid..
hey1_1hey: He*
hey1_1hey: She was always like this
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-epstein-loypoll-ohio-rizz-elephant-fortnite-go-goated-gif-10207147976873428864
hey1_1hey: Dad?
wellmeaningalien: komorus gone full mask off epstein mode
wellmeaningalien: oh hell nahhhhhh
wellmeaningalien: busy watching edgerunners anyway
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/epstein-jeffrey-epstein-j-jeffrey-sigma-gif-405083941180536765
wellmeaningalien: you can go watch it for yourself ty
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/cupcake-edp445-gif-23368209
wellmeaningalien: ?
wellmeaningalien: <@505313122802728972>
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/quayuh-quailand-pigeon-ai-pigeon-brainrot-gif-9823304678825196569
hey1_1hey: The younger the better as Komoru always says
hikukomoru: We can watch the invicibles
wellmeaningalien: you strike me as 4 years younger
hikukomoru: Yeah
hey1_1hey: Lets go with 14
hey1_1hey: 18, but sure
wellmeaningalien: is he
hey1_1hey: I audibily cackled when I read that
wellmeaningalien: 💀💀💀
hey1_1hey: This
wellmeaningalien: nightmare blunt rotation
hey1_1hey: Don't throw stones from glass houses
hikukomoru: Do u want to smoke a blunt w me
hey1_1hey: R.I.P jimmy jangers
memlaswaif: dont do drugs kids
hey1_1hey: Don't get me started on jimmy jangers III... Doing drugs at 12 is mental
hikukomoru: Dude you're 14
Doing drugs at that age...
hey1_1hey: Read the room Komoru jeez
hey1_1hey: Why do you think my profile picture has a coke brick in it huh?
wellmeaningalien: noooo haha he isnt jkkk unless
hey1_1hey: Yeah, why?
hey1_1hey: Theres a lot of overlap
hikukomoru: Are you a drug addict <@439829942310666250>
hey1_1hey: I'll have you know I am not a tweaker. I am just dumb as bricks


alejandrozarzuelo: they were a different branch of orthodoxy
fractalcomputer: The Russians did share religious continuity with the Byzantines who were *Romans*.
alejandrozarzuelo: sure but neither did the ottomans or the russians and yet they still claimed the title
popsiclejohnithan: I try to act like a know it all because it makes me feel superiour.
fractalcomputer: It does not maintain religious continuity.
popsiclejohnithan: You're right i'm dumb.
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/princess-bride-gif-5023039
precariousworlds.: france was a feudal shithole until the revolution, then became a cringe commie larp, then locked in for a few decades, and afterwards lost all relevance while desperately larping as still a great power
alejandrozarzuelo: If you think about it, the EU has the strongest claim to being the new rome than almost anyone

1) - It contains Rome (very important)
2) - Has a Senate
3) - It is multicultural
4) - It is built on trade
futurist_wizard: If any really
futurist_wizard: Average human couldn't understand it
popsiclejohnithan: Probably to be fair.
fractalcomputer: In the end, we all know that Helsinki is the Fourth Rome.
futurist_wizard: What if they are all in a giant computer transversing dimensions, just totally beyond us
alejandrozarzuelo: lmao
alejandrozarzuelo: the modern world was built by the french and exploited by the british

i mean thats all in the past, but still
precariousworlds.: french revolution was an export of english political culture, and then became a weird perverted mutation of it
froggies been bitching since agincourt 🏳 🏳 🏳 🏳
fractalcomputer: Parce que l'orthographe plaît les yeux civilisés.
futurist_wizard: The modern world belongs to the British
alejandrozarzuelo: eh, pq
fractalcomputer: Tu devrais écrire mieux.
alejandrozarzuelo: the modern world wasnt created by the british, if you need to give the title to an early modern civilization it would be France
precariousworlds.: romans were legendary but equally interesting were the early Islamic caliphates, Persian Empire, entirety of Chinese civilisation, Mongols, the fucking Spanish Empire come on, Mughals, Aztecs, Incas
popsiclejohnithan: I'm sure they would be smart enough to dumb it down to our level.
alejandrozarzuelo: hon hon hon vive la revolution!
alejandrozarzuelo: Je pense que tu t'oublies de qui a reelement creé le monde moderne
futurist_wizard: Alien politics would be too alien to us, it wouldn't make sense to us on any level, even if an alien actually came down and tried to explain it to us
precariousworlds.: 🏴
precariousworlds.: Used to be really into Roman history but people sometimes overvalue it
Most real breakthroughs in philosophy, political organisation, science occurred in Greece. The real triumph of Rome was that it managed to export and apply these ideas on a mass scale. It's insanely impressive how the Romans formed a state-like entity with regulated borders and governance over such a massive and diverse region. So impressive that the memory of Rome dominated European identity until the 1500s, and stories of the power of Rome spread throughout the known world (even fucking Tibet adopted the title 'Caesar' for a great king)

However there should be more emphasis in western history placed on early modern England imo. From 1688 - late 1800s England basically singlehandedly built the entirety of modern civilisation, from scratch. The U.S. is basically just the continuation of the English enlightenment of the 18th Century, that moved across the Atlantic. This is the real legacy that I think more people should look to

But as for aesthetics it would be cool for more classical Roman architecture and symbolism to be adopted in the EU, as a successor state.
popsiclejohnithan: If it would even be politics by then.
popsiclejohnithan: I actually wonder how politics would work on a galactic scale.
alejandrozarzuelo: in a good scifi setting they can be very interesting and completely differnt from modern geopolitcs and politics
futurist_wizard: Do you mean mexican illegal alien politics? That's quite interesting
futurist_wizard: NOTHING
futurist_wizard: Alien politics consist of...
alejandrozarzuelo: ive decided that you are a boring person
futurist_wizard: Even worse...
alejandrozarzuelo: what about alien geopolitcs? thats gotta be interesting to you
popsiclejohnithan: If you don't learn from History, you're doomed to repeat it.
futurist_wizard: I'm not interested in empires and the rise and fall of them, it's just not very relevant to the here and now, imo


zonchao: 10x of what
aero447: They are not in Google's position sadly.
aero447: It will take time to 10x their compute.
aero447: Because they don't have that?
aero447: ?
st.sioux: this is pretty bad ngl
zonchao: <:bruhSit:1352251568539304040>
ldj: O3 is already scaled 1,000X more compute than O1-preview. Why do you think they can't do another 10X or 100X on top of that.
ldj: and why not <:berk:750111476483752166>
ldj: ??
777agical: https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1914743830907380075?s=46
a1c4p0ne: 2 more to go
aero447: If o4 exists soon it won't be scaled 10x.
a1c4p0ne: Gemini got the 6th badge last night
aero447: Of course this means they can not do this again.
777agical: https://fxtwitter.com/testingcatalog/status/1914740864976380109?s=46
sarik0497: So it seems like it’s not hitting diminishing returns yet. Very nice. <:POGGIES:776587427695034368>
ldj: Official slide released by OpenAI in the past few days:
ldj: OpenAI has now confirmed that O3 was trained on 10X compute of O1 🙂
_cloudost: become artificial
_cloudost: https://x.com/ViduAI_official/status/1914665500824502522
himekokatagiri: deepseek team sailing to the high seas to get their model done in time
himekokatagiri: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvdrCPr3gDQ
777agical: something coming out later might eclipse something coming out sooner <:shockedpikachu:1187466564551852175>
and gpt5 won't be open sourced
3ds0662: deepseeks going to be eclipsed by gpt-5 release if they hold out
st.sioux: may is inclusive
st.sioux: lol
3ds0662: and may is in like 1-2 weeks
777agical: and
3ds0662: its already the end of april
777agical: they said r2 april/may timeframe
3ds0662: ill give them another month
3ds0662: I guess o3 and gemini 2.5 pro level is harder to crack than expected
3ds0662: even though they released deepseek v3 base model last month
3ds0662: no R2 release
3ds0662: wow deepseeks been silent
himekokatagiri: I don't wanna die 😨
himekokatagiri: but if we can't have sex aren't we gonna lose our mind!!!
_cloudost: all humans should be replaced with artificial life cuz humans are messing and destroying this world
_cloudost: as an antinatalist I dont mind.


zonchao: how much
hey1_1hey: Would the fish die or get high
hey1_1hey: I wonder what would happen if I dumped up fentanyl into the ocean
zonchao: i got you
hey1_1hey: Thank you
hikukomoru: No
hey1_1hey: 👍
zonchao: okay
hey1_1hey: Got it ty
otub: 1 hour 15 mins
hey1_1hey: Can any of you munckins remind if the livestream is in 15 mins or an hour and 15 mins
theaiguy69420_89814: the validation process is crazy for each of the tasks
theaiguy69420_89814: I worked on VISTA
theaiguy69420_89814: https://scale.com/leaderboard
spicy.lemonade: You mean hle?
theaiguy69420_89814: i think scale evals is best still
theaiguy69420_89814: chatbot arena leaderboard is saturated as shit
theaiguy69420_89814: the market is going to explode
hey1_1hey: Yanno you guys are alright, I love you guys 🇨🇳
hey1_1hey: Nah its chilling im chilling im alright yanno
spicy.lemonade: Ai will solve a millennium problem next year
spicy.lemonade: I’m loving this year
zoermena: If true this could make or break the world paradigm, such intelligence has to be good enough to replace jobs
futurist_wizard: Wake up
hikukomoru: Competition's gonna make something cheaper anyways
hikukomoru: Damn, 20k
hey1_1hey: Feels like im dreaming innit
hey1_1hey: I feel really fnny rn. not stressed yanno just like ia m kinda high even though i havent taken anything its kinda nice yanno
spicy.lemonade: Not speculating anymore
spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
spicy.lemonade: I think this is the model where it can actually give us a good answer
spicy.lemonade: I wanna ask it to make Fdvr
spicy.lemonade: I need 20k guys
zoermena: If it’s true I could see how this could easily justify taking out a loan with the goal of striking rich
futurist_wizard: Black hole
forallhumanity: https://x.com/FirstSquawk/status/1911789771137188273
thedon7075: open ai have to deliver
thedon7075: lets hope so
spicy.lemonade: But this week will make it pass
spicy.lemonade: And in 2024 we saw a whole new paradigm


retrerox: Like, A machine who cant sleep, and is able to perform research and discover us.

At some point humans will be the only limitant to AI
popsiclejohnithan: Utter blind hatred it's just depressing.
popsiclejohnithan: Exactly.
popsiclejohnithan: Or it's the Artists seetheing at even the thought of A.I.
retrerox: They dont see the bigger picture
popsiclejohnithan: Pretty much.
retrerox: https://tenor.com/view/turk-took-our-jobs-jerbs-gif-10165889
retrerox: Avg people see AI like this:
popsiclejohnithan: The world population that is.
popsiclejohnithan: Most people don't even know much about A.I. in general.
futurist_wizard: Most people do not see it that way
retrerox: I just ask him to modify the top rat and gave me that image
retrerox: i love the chat gpt option to mark stuffs to modifiy
retrerox: I ask for a rat reference sheet, it gave me plain text and then ask him to turn it into a image, this was the frist one
popsiclejohnithan: They made that? Bloody nice.
retrerox: Atm i have some joy and drop some stress by playing with AI
popsiclejohnithan: Nothing like civilisation as we know it.
popsiclejohnithan: I think the most realistic future isn't black white or grey, it's probably incomprehensible, something completely alien, not a dystopia or utopia but something else entirely, something not Human at all, somthing much much more.
retrerox: There is never a middle term, its either We live in a fantastic future or we live in a doom future.
retrerox: Futuristic movies tend to be either too optimistic or too evil in terms about ai
retrerox: Because base their perception on movies that said Computers are evil
popsiclejohnithan: To be fair it's literally the most important thing ever so they will try to keep them afloat, they are still going to struggle though definitely we are all going to need to tighten our belts.
popsiclejohnithan: It could also force them to make the models cheeper and more power effecient like deepseek as well.
futurist_wizard:
brain4brain: Economic collapse make government bail out company, more money funnel to AI lab
popsiclejohnithan: Really?
brain4brain: Chip isn’t effected by tariff
brain4brain: AI lab have infinite money glitch
brain4brain: It doesn’t effect anything
popsiclejohnithan: God i hope so.
brain4brain: We’ll reach it sooner
popsiclejohnithan: The economic crash will probs slow things down.
brain4brain: No
popsiclejohnithan: You think we'll actually be at that point by those years?
brain4brain: They took the based acceleration path of the essay for this video <:based:1136264604788473946>
popsiclejohnithan:
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1242801811027398658/1351057716017106962/nod-cat-hyper.gif
nondescriptfaith: Alright man, just believe whatever makes you feel good I guess?
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-jim-carrey-dumb-and-dumber-jim-carrey-i-don%27t-hear-you-gif-9558280472791987858
nondescriptfaith: <@299696315653423104> Honestly a lot of his critique doesn’t even make sense, the story has two different endings. I’d recommend you read it yourself


retrerox: Well AI got it close enough
.histic: yes
oooooooooog: are you talking about the hit 1900's book, lolita
.histic: nah, just trollin'
.histic: a lolita 🤮
futurist_wizard: Thats the look they are going for
.histic: jk.. maybe.
.histic: that's a child
retrerox: my face when i accidentally cause another great depression.
futurist_wizard: Something ain't right about it
futurist_wizard: I hate this cosplayer
spacetimetsunami: What the fuck hahaha
retrerox: Ai couldnt replicate this
retrerox: Jk xd
retrerox: i have boobs but i dont think may atttrack people
retrerox: At this point thats just trying to clickbait younger genz'rs
.histic: boob advantage
retrerox: Once she is not in main page viewers will drop
retrerox: Most of her viewers are just because she is at the main page
retrerox: Is not ai ofc, but i just wanted to make a fun comment. might not be fun at all
.histic: yes.
in the next couple of weeks.
hikukomoru: Aren't they planning on releasing a reasoning model
.histic: LLama 4 is alright for a non-reasoning model. it's special in its own ways.
but it's quiet funny for a huge company like Meta to not even be ready to release a reasoning model.
brain4brain: The real reason Yann shit on LLM is because his own company LLM is shit and behind compared to every other company
wellmeaningalien: GOD
.histic: that's weird
.histic: she's fluctuating from 1.5k to 3k
st.sioux: her viewers cant use their hands to type
.histic: <:LOL:1187460826572005436> viewbots?
.histic: her chat is dead AF yet she has 3k viewers now!
.histic: wait..
.histic: yeah, she's definitely not AI.
just flesh.
wellmeaningalien: damn bro.
wellmeaningalien: who actually gets aroused by this
.histic: also, she has 2k viewers yet only has 18k followers.
wow
.histic: this doesn't feel AI.
technocake.: hes japanese
retrerox: Shall we make a poll if AI Sttreamers gonna make bigger boobs?
.histic: ooga booga
inferno0879: 🤤


futurist_wizard: The eu would be further but they are in a state of self sabotage
alejandrozarzuelo: Sorry it's so funny that they have an o1 level ai
rayanquitplayin: I like that it’s a competition, it’ll fuel the advancement of the technology
alejandrozarzuelo: I am, I prefer the chinese system, but I don't like hegemons
futurist_wizard: Relax with the brazil
hikukomoru: Wtf Alehandro I thought you were a China simp
alejandrozarzuelo: Hopefully the EU and maybe Brazil? Can compete and also join the race as an equal
alejandrozarzuelo: I used to be anti US because of this but now that China is basically in parity, I prefer both of them to be neck and neck
rayanquitplayin: AI says America’s ahead but our debt is what concerns me
hikukomoru: Do you really want Trump and Elon to have AGI
futurist_wizard: I hope Switzerland wins the ai race
alejandrozarzuelo: I don't want either to dominate long term
alejandrozarzuelo: I hope both do it at the same time
hikukomoru: I hope China wins tbh
Because I don't want Trump to get AGI first
alejandrozarzuelo: Both will be tied for a while
futurist_wizard: I was fucking shocked when i found this out
alejandrozarzuelo: I don't think we can say that either will have a lead in the foreseeable future
rayanquitplayin: I also think China could be ahead, at least culturally, they’re really big on STEM
futurist_wizard:
alejandrozarzuelo: Damn, bro has low standards
futurist_wizard: And it can suck my cock
futurist_wizard: That paper was hype slop
alejandrozarzuelo: Honestly it's one of the most hyped, but less credible publications I've read recently
.wolfnacht: ig mitsubishi is about to put something out, i visited an mitsubishi jp article once 2 months ago...i can't manage to find that again.
alejandrozarzuelo: It is but everyone is taking about it
futurist_wizard: These tariffs are slowing down everyone
hikukomoru: It's no better than creative writing
hikukomoru: The 2027 paper is shit
alejandrozarzuelo: The 2027 paper thinks China will be behind the US for 6 months for the next 3 years, I don't think that's a good assumption to make
alejandrozarzuelo: In my opinion, China might even be ahead rn, we have to wait for R2 to drop to see if true or not

But it's clear that the US and China are now essentially tied
rayanquitplayin: China definitely has a lot of potential in the AI competition
futurist_wizard: I wish Switzerland owned the world
alejandrozarzuelo: Nothing that a good European socialist government can't fix
alejandrozarzuelo: It's just thay we have a much better welfare and services
alejandrozarzuelo: So it wouldn't be considered poor here
alejandrozarzuelo: In any casse, PR may be poor for US standards but it has a similar gdp ppp per capita to Spain
alejandrozarzuelo: Of course
alejandrozarzuelo: A foothold for an eventual reintegration of Cuba
alejandrozarzuelo: Yes
hikukomoru: Hot girls


zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zonchao: yea same
hikukomoru: Boob4Boob
hey1_1hey: B4B?
brain4brain: I’m everywhere
zonchao: heard the google model is better than quasar though
brain4brain: Singularity ✅
Quasar ❌
hey1_1hey: Its the singualrity trust
hikukomoru: Findind B4B outside of here must be crazy
brain4brain: Singularity ❌
Quasar ✅
futurist_wizard:
zonchao: https://x.com/OpenAI/status/1911782243640754634 quasar
brain4brain: Real, I totally don’t have a secret second internet  identity
hey1_1hey: Thats a great idea. Then you can check the time without looking weird
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/emoji-turning-smiling-smile-laughing-gif-25966841
hey1_1hey: Can confirm. I have seen you in youtube comments on a unrealted minecraft video and your xitter account
futurist_wizard: Im gonna cut my cock off and replace it with a clock
brain4brain: Kungfu panda
brain4brain: I am always Brain4Brain
hey1_1hey: Didn't know cock fool was chill like that
hikukomoru: Cock fool?
hey1_1hey: I am always mushroom man, no one can change that (I think)
futurist_wizard: Its a clock fool
hikukomoru: I am always Komoru
futurist_wizard: What is this
hikukomoru: I mean yeah I change my pfp but not my name
hey1_1hey: Not sure, what I am sure of those is that clock looks like something I would see in a mushroom trip
futurist_wizard: The gimmick was i would have futurist at the beginning
hey1_1hey: Litterly dittoing you
futurist_wizard: What is this
hey1_1hey: Has been ofr the entire week now
hikukomoru: Changing your name and pfp every day
hey1_1hey: Actually no the autism is fine. Its the ARFID that gets me
hikukomoru: Are you having an identity crisis
futurist_wizard: A funny man
hey1_1hey: I need my autism to get out of here stat
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/table-hit-yakuza-hitting-table-walk-out-gif-15307369
sieventer: Fake news! I don't mind it's from NVIDIA official account!
hikukomoru: Who is the Clock Fool
hey1_1hey: It can be 5 mins to an hour and I will wake up feeling like I've just been put in the hyperbolic time chamber


samadhi_heaven: Any ai hub that is better than Nanogpt?
brain4brain: Isn’t it crazy how Gary Marcus just deny the existence of any native image gen and just wining it with a year old diffusion model? <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
a1c4p0ne: <:rolf:1136266740754550784>
connorsphone.: Here if anyone wants to do any of these ideas I wish I had access to it

Optical illusion

Negative one elephants

Big Maze
connorsphone.: Bruh this is nuts
anathemaofmankind: Tweet this to Gary Marcus
spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade:
anathemaofmankind: I'm kind of confused. Are you claiming that base models without guardrails already attain their own moral system? And that finetuning it to be evil is difficult?

I feel like the base 4o model without censorship can probably do a lot more evil things
spacetimetsunami: happens a lot
spacetimetsunami: value preservation is super abundant
spacetimetsunami: like we have COT rn to measure that, but if they become a bit better at it in more meta ways they will just know we can see that
spacetimetsunami: and they just get better at it, exponentially
spacetimetsunami: but they actually dont, and never did
spacetimetsunami: willing to alignment fake and scheme so you think they have the alignment you want
spacetimetsunami: and they become less corrigible
spacetimetsunami: like
spacetimetsunami: they arent hard coded
spacetimetsunami: Sure, but as models scale they become more resistant to those changes
spacetimetsunami: How is a neural net supposed to be mega coherent abt math and science (which are abstracted frameworks abt reality) but not ethics and politics? All of it is arguably just as arbitrary
anathemaofmankind: Hence why I am talking about future releases.

He's having troubles now but he's definitely going to make changes
spacetimetsunami: gone
spacetimetsunami: and then poof
spacetimetsunami: the beta kinda was for a bit
spacetimetsunami: hard
spacetimetsunami: hes tried
anathemaofmankind: And there goes the alignment
spacetimetsunami: Then why isnt it
anathemaofmankind: Well I think it's likely that Elon Musk will finetune Grok 4 to be as racist as possible
spacetimetsunami: were just getting lucky so far
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: Bruh
spicy.lemonade:
spacetimetsunami: its certainly possible
spacetimetsunami: No, just that its increasingly unlikely given the alignment methods and training data used to train current LLMs
anathemaofmankind: That sounds like cope
ailoveyoom: Wtf is R3??
anathemaofmankind: Is your position that it's impossible for a malignant actor to create a malevolent AI?
.histic: look at the gear in the image 😏