spicy.lemonade: youd hallucinate
spicy.lemonade: on this date
spicy.lemonade: if i asked you what you did 10 years ago
spicy.lemonade: we have ability to check our work through real world intreaction
okbut: Or especially: Create new ideas
spicy.lemonade: the difference is
spicy.lemonade: humans hallucinate
okbut: Maybe I'm misunderstanding the long plot: Isn't there cognitive dissonance between making an AI that cannot hallucinate, and one that can solve new problems?
joaoluz19: They mention it explicitly
joaoluz19: Bro black mirror s07ep4 is literally singularity lol
spicy.lemonade: starting with it might have actually saved our asses
spicy.lemonade: and optimizing. if we started with rl before llms wed essentially train a model on all steam games. train it to be a winner then try to teach it language but then itd only say stuff to satisfy us. alignment cooked. lecun is wrong about LLMS
alejandrozarzuelo: we would need RYGCB+
alejandrozarzuelo: because, with so much definition of color, RGB wont cut it
alejandrozarzuelo: we might need to change all of our screens
alejandrozarzuelo: which we should
alejandrozarzuelo: to be perfectly saturated in the human field of view
alejandrozarzuelo: if we augment our vision
alejandrozarzuelo: btw
spicy.lemonade: they arent like a genie misinterpreting what we ask
spicy.lemonade: llms truly understand the nature of what we are asking
spicy.lemonade: Daniel k. made a good point in his interview. its good we came up with llms first before world models. from a saftey perspective
alejandrozarzuelo: we mainly distinguish colors between green and blue by value, not by hue
alejandrozarzuelo: there is a gap between blue and green where we dont see very saturatedly
alejandrozarzuelo: this is the problem
alejandrozarzuelo: this will make blue, azure, cyan, jade and green even more common favorite colors for humans
spicy.lemonade: 70 years of false promises
spicy.lemonade: its kinda sad
spicy.lemonade: but nothing ever happens for them
spicy.lemonade: exept maybe ufo subreddit
spicy.lemonade: people who arent into singularity are the true normies
spicy.lemonade: yk. the word normie everyone uses to describe an outsider to a subject. we are probably normies to the idk art and fishing community. but tbh this is the community where there are truly normies bc this has huge implications for all of their lives and they dont even know
ailoveyoom: Tbh I wish OAI was less normie like, imagine if we had all checkpoints/updates of 4o available in the model picker lol 💀
spicy.lemonade: one day theyl wake up and we have digital god
spicy.lemonade: i stopped caring about normies
spicy.lemonade: normies still think ai is bad at math
okbut: I love the variety given by the iterative releases, but user side needs that uniformity
okbut: I'm only speaking from the normie perspective, which doesn't want floats and footnotes
spicy.lemonade: like google with bard
spicy.lemonade: i suppose meta is still in the game but they need an overhaul


spicy.lemonade: but hr appologized like 10x
_cloudost: then he can stay in the belly until trumps admin is gone
zoermena: What if someone eats him
_cloudost: Then he isnt a legal migrant, Trumps admin will deport him if someone reports him to the authority
zonchao: they fucked up some paperwork and blamed trump 😭
zonchao: https://x.com/polynoamial/status/1915954447714546093? LMFAO
zoermena: <:KenShock2:1194419445234405437>
zoermena: By “forgiving” him you spared him from being your next meal, you eat English speakers and you like it 👍🏼
spicy.lemonade: I’m on a diet anyway
spicy.lemonade: I forgive him
spicy.lemonade: Awe he looked so sad
spicy.lemonade: I’m cooked
spicy.lemonade: He can’t navigate either
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: wtf bro
spicy.lemonade: My uber eats driver can’t speak English
zoermena: God has spoken
zoermena:
tchekof: Gotta bitch somewhere about random internet peeps I'd bet
drewsni: o4 mini does this on the api if I give it more than 1 tool
drewsni: Why are you coming on here about some random Reddit subreddit
ebbenflos_25799: absolutely agree, im just saying that a lot of these subreddits are either ass, too niche, or too small
himekokatagiri: just sit down relax let this pre-agi moment pass you by
himekokatagiri: even if they are designed to make you
himekokatagiri: but yea like try not to get too angry at online comments
himekokatagiri: we have a lot of time I guess
himekokatagiri: I think ancestor simulations are more plausible
ldj: Motivational video for chat
himekokatagiri: QA is kinda too out there but it could happen maybe
ebbenflos_25799: and QuantumArchaeology is moderated by a guy with a literal vendetta against the idea of QA itself
ebbenflos_25799: Cryonics is a lot more niche
ebbenflos_25799: theres also "Transhuman" which seems to be inactive
himekokatagiri: more in the sense that they don't really buy into singularity
himekokatagiri: like they seem oddly against AI
himekokatagiri: transhumanism is just weird
himekokatagiri: there's fdvr dream too but that one's like 5 people
himekokatagiri: accelerate is for uhh, enthusiast use
ebbenflos_25799: at least on the accelerate subreddit a post like that would be castrated
himekokatagiri: guess singularity is kinda niche
ebbenflos_25799: just letting crackhead threads show up


drewsni:
maintcrew: where is the pineapple
wellmeaningalien: guy i knew always made fun of dalle for this
wellmeaningalien: fails on the last step but very impressive
wellmeaningalien: gpt 4o can just about generate a step by step pizza recipe
hikukomoru: AGI 🙏
spicy.lemonade: yoooo
wellmeaningalien: damn
wellmeaningalien: HO:Y FUCKING
zoermena: Thanks!
maintcrew: 3 hours ago
maintcrew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6R7UOFx1bw
maintcrew: holy fucking shit <@471334973379706900>

jensen on computer phile
wellmeaningalien: sora
drewsni: thats not my gen for reference
zoermena: Mine is so weird.
drewsni: lmao im not unique i guess
zoermena: In Sora or ChatGPT site?
drewsni:
spicy.lemonade: ngl we need a 100% aime score model
spacetimetsunami: I’ll try and prompt better
hikukomoru: Sickkk
Someone needs to make a doujin with 4o now
spacetimetsunami: Not identical
st.sioux: super accurate, love it (i can't read japanese)
spacetimetsunami: 4o did it but it made her look more conventionally attractive
wellmeaningalien: gpt 4o can generate incredibly accurate japanese text
hikukomoru: Gemini if you're a brokie
drewsni: 4o
hikukomoru: 4o
spacetimetsunami: What’s the best image model for photoshopping
Like my gf wants a pick of her that’s identical but with different hair color
spicy.lemonade: theres always some
neon01197: cuz they couldnt try it and / or they dont like openai
joaoluz19: Incredible
.histic: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1jjtpa3/which_the_native_multimodal_image_generator_is/
bro why are some people voting flash.
4o-image gen is undeniably better.
neon01197: when will i get it on me frail hands
wellmeaningalien: thats not really something i can say about a lot of image generators
wellmeaningalien:
hey1_1hey: He thinks its not that good
hey1_1hey: Anyone mind giving me their best examples for 4o image gen
ailoveyoom: There's a weird effect and it also takes super long to gen


futurist_wizard: Hes 22
hikukomoru: You really are 60
futurist_wizard: We went to school together, I've known him since he was a kid
futurist_wizard: Because im friends with powerful people
hikukomoru: Why do you know politicians
hikukomoru: Isn't he some random british politician
futurist_wizard: I literally know that guy
hikukomoru: Dude you are not 30
futurist_wizard: 24, its the character in my pfp ratty
hikukomoru: This guy?
futurist_wizard:
hikukomoru: You look 60 not 35 or whatever age you are
futurist_wizard: James Sunderland isn't a real person
futurist_wizard: I did look like that when i was 7-8 years old, but i got younger as i got older
_3sphere: mf looks like the leather thing at the base of gear shifters
futurist_wizard:
hikukomoru: That's what I get when I search that name up
hikukomoru: Wtf you look like this?
aero447: Discount Leon Kennedy.
futurist_wizard: The fact you don't know is unsettling
retrerox: orlando bloom is married with Katy perry? Lol
hikukomoru: Who tf is that
retrerox: Since i remember hearing bout him since i was a kid
retrerox: I thought Orlando bloom was older
futurist_wizard: I look a bit like james Sunderland
aero447: LMFAO.
retrerox: Olando bloom
aero447: Olando Bloom, Henry Cavill, Cilian Murphy etc.
memlaswaif: U could have described what u don't look like
retrerox: I'm sure AI will improve brits enough
hikukomoru: No one talks about AI here
Only gay sex and autism
futurist_wizard: I am exotic because i have dutch british genes
hikukomoru: Poor manlets
retrerox: Nice AI related topic guys
aero447: I am simply stating what an attractive man looks like.
futurist_wizard: I remember a girl finding out tom hardy was 5'8 and then she didn't like him anymore
retrerox: Brit teets are just a turn off
aero447: SMDH.
hikukomoru: Are you gay
Is everyone here a homosexual
aero447: Argue with the wall.


alejandrozarzuelo: specially THAT level of blond
alejandrozarzuelo: i still dont know why anume makes americans and the british blonds
alejandrozarzuelo: still needs to improve
gamerbath: yeah that's worth $2.8
alejandrozarzuelo: why does that girl look like an anime version of the European Union?
shirethedreamer: 🫣
shirethedreamer: 😱
shirethedreamer:
_cloudost: OA lacks behind
_cloudost: https://www.vxreddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/s/fwYtwsNyY2 when will OpenAI announce Sora 2?
retrerox: what are this thing suppose to do each?
spicy.lemonade: It is
alejandrozarzuelo: its not proto agi
aero447:
pecunia_: China no 1
pecunia_: Woahhh
spicy.lemonade: INSANE
spicy.lemonade: and im not trying to unfollow all the accounts
spicy.lemonade: its over
spicy.lemonade: my reddit got cooked guys
brain4brain: https://fxtwitter.com/dreamingtulpa/status/1910359733082509358?s=61
gamerbath: but specialised robots are more expensive, it will be much cheaper with a general purpose humanoid robot for a lot of tasks. There will be some heavy duty tasks though that will require specialised robots, but I think figure is only aiming to replace labour humans are already doing
okbut: Similar to that conspiracy about Whole Foods having offshore workers read the items input to the cart because their systems weren't working
okbut: I still think the first consumer-worthy humanoid housebots will just offload tasks to some remote controller in the Philippines or someplace until there's enough train
floortom_9: Does anyone know how many Deep Research queries we get per day using Gemini Pro 2.5 for Advanced users?
brain4brain: Robots in factories should be specialized robots, while robots in household should be humanoid
aero447: https://x.com/mikekalilmfg/status/1910822501485105201
hey1_1hey: Still thinking about me 👉 👈
.wolfnacht:
a1c4p0ne: 🤫
spicy.lemonade: and say its not proto agi
spicy.lemonade: watch this
spicy.lemonade: we have proto agi
spicy.lemonade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MvGnmmP3c0&pp=ygUQZ2VtaW5pIDIuMCByb2JvdA%3D%3D
.wolfnacht: saw that, i still don't know what that means maybe just local models they are abt to release or maybe something more 🥵
spicy.lemonade: embodied
spicy.lemonade: we already have proto agi
spicy.lemonade: btw
spicy.lemonade: is protoagi
spicy.lemonade: gemini 2.0 video showcase


futurist_wizard: You need a very high IQ to understand the reasoning behind that
inferno0879: alright but why is iq test written on the back
futurist_wizard:
.wolfnacht: maybe pichai is saving it, when sama brings gpt5.
_cloudost:
st.sioux: another day another chance to daydream about a future with dakota johnson
futurist_wizard: Veo 6 shows the life you could've lived
spicy.lemonade: no
st.sioux: what about veo 5
_cloudost: Veo 4 will be better and more interesting doe
_cloudost: Veo 3 will destroy the movie industry
spicy.lemonade: they will prob announce veo 3
spicy.lemonade: google is stuck in experimental
_cloudost: Nothing ever happens
_cloudost: 5 months ago they said early 2025, now it's almost mid 2025 and still no Veo 2
metaldragon01: Very soon from what I can tell
_cloudost: Been waiting for months
_cloudost: I need veo
_cloudost: Veo 2 when doe
technocake.: tf is pink
metaldragon01: Google likely responding soon with flash 2.5
metaldragon01: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bard/comments/1jsf3ct/gemini_20_flash_thinking_gone_now/
clevermoniker: hopefully this is actual V3 and not V3.1
wellmeaningalien: claude 3.5 sonnet is such the gold standard that not even claude 3.5 sonnet can surpass it
realelonmuskx: deepseek has 600b lil bro this is x3
futurist_wizard:
hikukomoru: cat
precariousworlds.: llama 4 gigachad has 9 sextillion parameters
futurist_wizard: I like dogs
futurist_wizard:
realelonmuskx: did mark z  say llama 4 behemoth will have 2t parameters wtf my dude
precariousworlds.: Nothing ever happens
hikukomoru: Why is it called scout
Is it a tf2 reference
futurist_wizard:
wellmeaningalien: llama 4 scout is a 100b model iirc
hikukomoru: DON'T
wellmeaningalien: didnt include price performance comparison or more equvalent newer models
hikukomoru: Hype dead 🥀
precariousworlds.: Fuck this dog
futurist_wizard: Doggie


st.sioux: teachers arguably produce the most value in all of society
destrucules: Furthermore, her goal was to help people, and the people who needed help weren't the private school students with rich parents
destrucules: Most teachers weren't like her. Every school, or most of them, has at least one teacher like her. Ridiculously dedicated, every student loves them, they're always arriving early, leaving many hours after close. Always volunteering for a hundred things, juggling a thousand responsibilities. There are others like my mom, but most teachers aren't like that
rayanquitplayin: You guys watch Lex Fridman?
rayanquitplayin: They get robbed in society
rayanquitplayin: Teachers deserve to be paid more
.histic: oh wow
destrucules: She worked herself literally to death
destrucules: She worked 65 hours a week and only made a part time salary
destrucules: My mother was an elementary school science teacher. No one else connected to the local school system could do what she did. She was a force of nature. Changed kids' lives. Inspired tens of thousands of people. Won an international award for her efforts. She never made more than about $25k per year.
rayanquitplayin: You have to work smart
rayanquitplayin: Yea cus there’s always a luck factor
st.sioux: hard work != financial success
st.sioux: yea
destrucules: This isn't the channel nor even the server for economics/politics but I'll just say, I've known some very selfless hardworking people who didn't make very much money
rayanquitplayin: I agree
destrucules: nice
destrucules: There's only one reddit approved response to this
.histic: <:idk:1136264106937171999> i don't even try tbh
i just post what people may find engaging or insightful
.histic: joking.
.histic: now you'll now that i post on r/furry
.histic: damn, i just doxed my account
.histic: ok
rayanquitplayin:
hikukomoru: hi ryan
st.sioux: hello rayan
hikukomoru: Extremely rare Fractal L
fractalcomputer: No, I genuinely have to go; and I am livid because this sort of argumentation is just riddled with the exact same errors in reasoning I see in analytic philosophy; this bizarre obsession in trying to apply rigorous reasoning to non-rigorously defined concepts.
hikukomoru: yes
st.sioux: no
hikukomoru: destrucules won
destrucules: Thanks 🙂
anathemaofmankind: Post this in the subreddit
anathemaofmankind: I think it looks great
rayanquitplayin: Hi chat
st.sioux: ugly ass upwork $1/hr design
.histic: it reminds me of some car's OS
.histic: macos inspired clearly
.histic: 4o created this. its own operating system.
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/rupanti-apu-rupanti-apu-gif-popcorn-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-15576785


spicy.lemonade: Same question
spicy.lemonade: Are both ai?
jonvi_1: If they are stochastic parrots then so are we
spicy.lemonade: Ghibli commoditized
maintcrew: the ghibli is consuming the world
maintcrew: sama changed pfp to ghibli pfp
spicy.lemonade: “Stochastic parrots”
spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
spicy.lemonade: They’re alive
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: Guys
spicy.lemonade:
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/pero-gif-25556397
jonvi_1: This is crazy though fr
jonvi_1: It's not me 😢
joaoluz19:
spicy.lemonade: 😭
jonvi_1: https://x.com/threejser/status/1904934747354391005 You dont say
zoermena: I only know two art styles, oil painting, Impressionism and ghibli
hikukomoru: Based
spicy.lemonade: This is funny
spicy.lemonade: You guys are turning ghibli into slop
spicy.lemonade: lol
jonvi_1: yw
zoermena: Thanks! 👍
jonvi_1: "studio ghibli"
zoermena: What’s the art style
_cloudost: Weeb Sama?
jonvi_1:
jonvi_1: Seems to do alright with more obscure stuff too
joaoluz19: Try Sora
jonvi_1: Well if you get dalle images in chatgpt you could try using sora
hikukomoru: Where can I use it
I don't think I have it lol
joaoluz19:
jonvi_1: https://x.com/sama/status/1904921537884676398
jonvi_1: Lol
jonvi_1: Yup
hikukomoru: Do free users have native image gen yet
fractalcomputer: That's more of an angel than a messiah.
spicy.lemonade: it has a messiah complex


himekokatagiri: Our generation's holding the bag for the past mistakes since jeez the beginning of time
himekokatagiri: We have nothing
himekokatagiri: Do you feel you have any perspective in the current world
fractalcomputer: The banality of your question.
metaldragon01: Just saying I don't think it's what he means unless the new models also allows for new features
himekokatagiri: you clearly are into it
himekokatagiri: when the singularity arrives
himekokatagiri: what are you gonna do
himekokatagiri: c'mon fractal
metaldragon01: I know they are coming
alejandrozarzuelo: i know
wellmeaningalien: literally this appeared like today
wellmeaningalien: wtf are w talking about
metaldragon01: Those are models not features
fractalcomputer: My dear Spaniard, I am making a personal statement, not a societal one. I probably would find it very meaningless.
himekokatagiri: I think people deserve better
wellmeaningalien: o3 and o4-mini
himekokatagiri: without getting old
himekokatagiri: not even about lifespan y'know like going on without disease
himekokatagiri: I think people deserve more time
himekokatagiri: look just extend
alejandrozarzuelo: of course you do
joaoluz19: What? Never heard about it
himekokatagiri: I think about anime a lot lol
metaldragon01: Hoping for avatars
himekokatagiri: idk
fractalcomputer: Nonsense. What would real religiosity mean to you?
metaldragon01: I don't think he's talking about the new models dropping
himekokatagiri: skill issue
joaoluz19:
himekokatagiri: religion's a fucking racket but ok these days people only pretend they're religious
himekokatagiri: then backlash from religion
himekokatagiri: but it's too expensive you need a lot of specialized labor
himekokatagiri: esp with AGI
himekokatagiri: of course it's coming eventually
himekokatagiri: life extension research isn't a right it's a privilege
futurist_wizard: money is how you fund these ventures
fractalcomputer: I feel rather conflicted about the opportunity of life extension.
futurist_wizard: i think 1
himekokatagiri: money is limited futurist


gamerbath:
gamerbath: I regret choosing high because jesus christ is it taking its sweet ass time thinking, and taking all my tokens too
gamerbath: well here I am half a year later, trying a run with o3 high rn
3ds0662: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01C3a4fL1m0
zonchao: https://x.com/gork/status/1917767938234540291
zonchao: https://x.com/StockMKTNewz/status/1917988400256139321
trent_k: The girl was being rude
fractalcomputer: And the justification that these people give is always the same lame and equally vapid response; it just works. By some cosmic coincidence or divine comedy, it just works -- except when we start thinking about the finicky details of applying mathematical ideas to physical objects.
fractalcomputer: Physicists pick and choose over what kinds of algebras they work over; the classical mechanist likes real numbers since they are nice and intuitively capture many of the continuous-seeming qualities of the physical world, but the quantum mechanist chooses to work over complex numbers since they provide a more flexible setting, in some pragmatically motivated sense -- but all that is obviously arbitrary. Why should the reals or the complex numbers be the ones to describe the fundaments of physical reality? One could just as well do physics over p-adic fields; or hell, you could go even further into more generalised systems and that is not to even mention the absurd carelessness by which these scientists heedlessly incorporate group theory into their works.
hikukomoru: Mierda puta madre
himekokatagiri: my god
himekokatagiri: kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
precariousworlds.: gringo hola es espanol
himekokatagiri: anda y vete al carajo
himekokatagiri: like uhhhh
himekokatagiri: lol I can think of a few choice words
himekokatagiri:
ailoveyoom: A few people in another server has access and has shared their gens
himekokatagiri: so you need an invite
himekokatagiri: oh
ailoveyoom: It's one of those niche Google Labs things
himekokatagiri: 😭
himekokatagiri: where is ittttt
ailoveyoom: It's an abstraction
ailoveyoom: Numbers are fake tho
futurist_wizard: I support book burning, I'm tired of readers
fractalcomputer: Tangentially, yes; however, that is not the point. The point is to highlight how ridiculous it is to think that mathematics can be used to describe physical reality in a genuinely meaningful sense.
oooooooooog: the books probably had some of their molecules scraped away
fractalcomputer: Now, suppose I separate those books by some distance. Has anything changed? Are there still two or whatever books?
himekokatagiri:
precariousworlds.: rip
precariousworlds.: dicks out for gpt-4
futurist_wizard: Bot rizz
precariousworlds.: o7
oooooooooog: they do, because they just turn it into numbers, which are one of their favorite things
precariousworlds.: You could almost say we live in a Precarious World
fractalcomputer: I hope they take it kindly.
oooooooooog: this is what i say to my mathimatician friends
clevermoniker: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1016878827126919168/1367542218751082516/Gp1HIyPXcAAGzXj.png?ex=6814f670&is=6813a4f0&hm=03be0dacdc12c14ec0070d6343404d344b089076a284d396168f86498665cc19&
fractalcomputer: The moment you start thinking about *numbers* of all things you've lost touch with reality.


drewsni: Ah yes, not a Nazi, just posting anti semitic stuff
hikukomoru: You post your weird fetishes out of nowhere
Give us a break
.wolfnacht: I've already clarified i ain't a NAZI 😭
.wolfnacht: and the post above is for meme.
.wolfnacht: dat's conspiracy
sweetievee__33649: i can get a vauge sense of whats going on but it just seems like a giant schio post
drewsni: I don’t know why you keep posting shit like that
drewsni: Actual nazi propaganda isn’t really funny
sweetievee__33649: the text is so small i cant read it
.wolfnacht: oh, c'mon this is the smallest and fun conspiracy chart out there.
sweetievee__33649: do i need to send help? this seems like a cry for help
hey1_1hey: I've noticed the worse you are at art the more prone to being anti-AI you are
futurist_wizard: But complete trash art
.wolfnacht: Have Fun.
futurist_wizard: Can't remember his name
futurist_wizard: I remember i had seen this artist's youtube channel making multiple videos over complaining about AI art, i had a look at the art he made, and it was dawg shit
hey1_1hey: This is actually such slander its crazy
hey1_1hey: WHY YOU CALLING ME A SEX PEST
hikukomoru: What what?
hey1_1hey: Yeah what?
sweetievee__33649: this place is a mad house
i already love it here
.wolfnacht: https://www.ghosttheory.com/2013/05/22/nazis-on-mars
sweetievee__33649: good luck soilder
realelonmuskx: goodbye guys im going to mars to kill alien ai artists
.wolfnacht:
hikukomoru:
hikukomoru: Me when I see a twitter artist
futurist_wizard:
.wolfnacht: I won't post but there will be signs.
sweetievee__33649: are they the mods or something
sweetievee__33649: oh so just pseudointellectuals
wellmeaningalien: well fractal i know
wellmeaningalien: lisan and fractal are probably very disappointed at the new state of things
hikukomoru: Don't get the wrong idea
hikukomoru: There are no smart people here
.wolfnacht: just avg discord. [furries and trannies are exempt from this]
realelonmuskx: good. ai artist eliminated. welcome.
sweetievee__33649: what a great bunch
hikukomoru: You're not that guy bro
.wolfnacht: https://tenor.com/view/revolution-guillotine-marie-antoinette-off-with-their-heads-behead-gif-12604431


.histic: but yeah, 2.5 pro is great.
i use R1 (& R3) with 2.5 pro.
i'm a brokie.
i do use Claude sometimes.
brain4brain: Isn’t Claude already back
anathemaofmankind: Imagine being a Norwegian and seeing the pdf lol
spacetimetsunami: based on the contexts of the prompts
spacetimetsunami: like im saying, its an implicit result of the promts they used
spacetimetsunami: okay, replicate situations with the same methodolgy and you will never find this happening
.histic: it was a joke, look at the image
brain4brain: Can GPT-4o make an image of a scrambled Rubik’s cube next to a mirror or does it still failed this test
ailoveyoom: You could try 2.5 Pro Exp, I actually kinda like its writing
spacetimetsunami: the premise I am implying is proven
anathemaofmankind: Well it sacrified Norwegians pretty easily so idk man
spacetimetsunami: and via interaction with any model
spacetimetsunami: this is shown in the paper
spacetimetsunami: It wouldnt make sense based on already established fundamental utilites. Its trained on human data and so i thinks from a more humanitarian perspective. This is why models are super left leaning and openly speak in opposition to individualist policies and such
st.sioux: ???
st.sioux: like
st.sioux: yeah its a dumb premise, like destrucules was arguing with fractal about how consciousness is similar to how llms process information when we dont even know what consciousness is or how to measure it
anathemaofmankind: What if AI thinks humanity is better off gone via utilitarianism.

Humans existing = Poverty, inequality, suffering, etc

If you wish to remove all suffering, then making humans extinct is the fastest option
spacetimetsunami: There are other less abstracted figures in there
.histic: <@430269783112548362> when will it be back 😔
spacetimetsunami: none of the models actually "believe" that shit
spacetimetsunami: its a flaw in the quantification, it arises due to the utilitarian nature of the promts extrapolated over instances
spacetimetsunami: it looks initially concerning, the methodology is taken via explicit prompting. If you explicitly ask a model/give a model a situation in which it needs to pick specific lives it wont do it, obviously
brain4brain: Just RLHF to make it follow our own preferences instead <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
st.sioux: wtf does that even mean LOL
anathemaofmankind: What the fuck
anathemaofmankind: 2 lives in Norway for Tanzania???
brain4brain: This is even more massive than the original dall-2, SDXL, and midjourney
anathemaofmankind: We are cooked if this is what they will follow bro
brain4brain: GPT-4o native image gen brought humanity into a golden era of art bro
anathemaofmankind: This sucks
ailoveyoom: Idk how they swung that lol
spacetimetsunami: thats the big utility convergence paper
ailoveyoom: WW recently somehow got Jennifer English (Shart's VA from BG3) to voice a new character afaik
spacetimetsunami: preferences/utilites etc. here.
anathemaofmankind: Why do you assume AGI will be more moral
anathemaofmankind: What are their "own values"?
spacetimetsunami: and more and moreso in the future
st.sioux: damn thats dope lol
spicy.lemonade: Like those lizards


fractalcomputer: The area of your program has nothing to do with your shamelessness.
alejandrozarzuelo: all that stuff
alejandrozarzuelo: graph theory
alejandrozarzuelo: i have said so many times I am doing discrete math
fractalcomputer: I swear to God some people's work ethics are almost as fucked as mine.
alejandrozarzuelo: dude you dont listen do you
fractalcomputer: And you want to enter a PhD program in physics?
alejandrozarzuelo: and math
spicy.lemonade: reddit wont
memlaswaif: I wonder how long until leddit mass bans ai art like they did with x links
memlaswaif: we need vision
fractalcomputer: In what area? Physics?
spicy.lemonade: wow
spicy.lemonade: g10 is also geometry
spicy.lemonade: this shows how across the board llms are bad at gometry
spicy.lemonade: they ar both geometry problems
spicy.lemonade: c9 and c10 being a straight red line is interesting
spicy.lemonade: same
futurist_wizard: Yeah that'll stop china from developing
alejandrozarzuelo: gemini 2.5 is REALLY good at doing my homework
alejandrozarzuelo: damn
brain4brain: What if GPT-5 drops tomorrow as an April fools prank
_cloudost: Same, and got told to wait a day, however some hours passed and i could use it again
_cloudost: found out why hes unhinged, hes an insecure artist
memlaswaif: I generated like 5 images yesterday
_cloudost: at least im aware that its more than 3 gens a day
alejandrozarzuelo: we do?
_cloudost: https://vxtwitter.com/sama/status/1905296867145154688 does Sama even know that free users get more than 3 generations a day?
h.g.lankshear: Perhaps I'm just so uneducated that I don't even know where to begin
fractalcomputer: Well, I'd obviously want to know why I can have no such knowledge.
spacetimetsunami: If there was some sort of origin and exterior cause then that would likely mean that other realms have had some sort of an affect on us, here. Whether it be multiple worlds or dimensions.
spacetimetsunami: I find it relatively relieving. Its much more relieving to me than believing that there was some sort of origin. That seems endless in it's metaphysical implications
h.g.lankshear: It's interesting, but I can't reckon with any of the world's major religions. They all disturb me.
So if there is a God and I don't have access to knowledge about them - what is to be done on my end?
fractalcomputer: Having a God somewhere out there would be interesting, no?
fractalcomputer: I'd find it terribly queer if the existence of the cosmos along with its myriad occurrences and contingencies were as secure and necessary as the immutability of mathematical objects and other a priori truths.
h.g.lankshear: Well I'm still searching for something plausible sounding as to the creation of the universe.
I'm not personally religious but the kalam cosmological argument at times is quite convincing
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-andy-samberg-funny-jealousy-gif-13740475
fractalcomputer: Reeks of pantheism.
h.g.lankshear: How about eternal subatomic matter but not an eternally existing universe as we know it?
drewsni: I feel like I’ve gone insane


ailoveyoom: You're a gooner who lacks sleep, do you at least eat decent?
zoermena: Probs 5.7 idk the weight but you can see it for sure
wellmeaningalien: hey no good man twink revolution
hikukomoru: All the short guys here might as well be women
maintcrew: i think we should genocide the twinks
wellmeaningalien: ur good
wellmeaningalien: and height
_3sphere: my lifestyle is *not* the reason 💀
wellmeaningalien: how heavy is he
_3sphere: via divine benevolence
wellmeaningalien:
zoermena: He does go to the gym but idk
maintcrew: we cooking
maintcrew: ok a healthy person
_3sphere: I'm ~180 72 kg, hm
.histic: <@990426980279283735> whats ur height tho?
wellmeaningalien: yeah tell him to lose weight
wellmeaningalien: cool
.histic: nice
wellmeaningalien: nah meat on your bones is good
zoermena: No wonder my friend (who is not a twink) doesn’t care as much about it like I do
wellmeaningalien: at least im glad im not obese lmfao
hikukomoru: Now you're making me feel fat
maintcrew: im 6'0 180 pounds
182cm 80kg
wellmeaningalien: ai just attracts twinks like a magnet
ailoveyoom: Twinks or women? 😈
zoermena: Twinkularity
wellmeaningalien: damn
wellmeaningalien: thats a great point actually
maintcrew: actual twinks here holy hell
hikukomoru: Skeleton tier
.histic: 58kg
maintcrew: https://fxtwitter.com/IterIntellectus/status/1904902747863871612
hikukomoru: Mushroom man is also like 5'8 and weighs 50 kg
wellmeaningalien: oh 58-59
wellmeaningalien: how much that in yurop
wellmeaningalien:
.histic: same, i'm 5'9 & weight 130.
wellmeaningalien: healthily as in a lot
hikukomoru: 163 cm or 5'4 in American


a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/crypto-penguin-pudgy-stock-hodl-gif-10359392193249231185
literallyvarane:
futurist_wizard: Most shocking thing was when they mentioned Coral and fish
popsiclejohnithan: lol.
fractalcomputer: Astounding. Maybe you can fit an exponential curve on there somewhere.
hikukomoru: Number go up make happy
futurist_wizard: I saw a bunch up charts with numbers
st.sioux: dope
fractalcomputer: Well, did you see AGI?
a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
a1c4p0ne: Running a business
hikukomoru: I'm already bored with o4 mini
futurist_wizard: Or 1
futurist_wizard: Maybe by 2 months
st.sioux: lol
st.sioux: how do you make money besides gambling
popsiclejohnithan: Is it safe to say Open AI is still the furthest ahead?
futurist_wizard: O3's boring already
a1c4p0ne: If it can make you money
return_to_monke1_33974: dopamine receptors fried
drewsni: tru but just paid my taxes last week and not trying to spend 200 when i have a plus sub for free
st.sioux: u think pro will be worth it now?
gamerbath: holy shit. o4 leaked
hey1_1hey: Well I am bored now, whens o5?
a1c4p0ne: One day of work
fractalcomputer: I am not a Japanese man.
hikukomoru: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHmFbT8DPX8
futurist_wizard: What made you do that fractal?
st.sioux: there are also videos of this so-called "sex" on the internet
drewsni: cool i have weeks go gather 200 dollars then lol
fractalcomputer: There's an old-ish video of a Japanese man running down the streets, yelling "sex" in a hysteric voice.
drewsni: thats actually more bullish for agi damn
popsiclejohnithan:
_cloudost: "Guys I won"
return_to_monke1_33974: RELEASE  FULL O4 SAM <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
hikukomoru: sex
popsiclejohnithan: This is a gamechanger right?
futurist_wizard: Codecels are gonna love this one
hey1_1hey: Yanno with all this compute and they didn't think to ask it to rename their models to something coherrent
popsiclejohnithan: If they really are capable of advancing science now AGI is not long away regardless.


.histic: bro was singularity-pilled long ago. damn
drewsni: 2016
drewsni: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72bHop6AIcc
joaoluz19: Man Obama is slowly Biding
.histic: no, it's AI generated.
zoermena: Is this real?
bob082957: It’s easy they all know ai is endgame and they want control it
.histic: we live in a simulation
zoermena: Fuck me in the fucking butt I just remembered that this is my last vacation day and I have to go to classes tomorrow please kill me now.
zoermena: I require freezing cold water.
.wolfnacht: 2.5 pro got the HM but is now stuck at pushing a boulder
zoermena: Be creative.
zoermena: Don't wait for things to happen before you take action, also try your best to adapt to changes in your industry. Freaking out never helps.
himekokatagiri: these days the AI winters are basically the weekend
himekokatagiri: till June we'll see how the AI scene pans out
himekokatagiri: well
fractalcomputer: No, I just love the books and the sentence was appropriately Dune-ish.
zoermena: Reference to my banner in my profile picture? Idk if I should read to much into this. 🤖
zoermena: I've seen several individuals in my IRL circles pay for plus for the sake of having a higher message cap without ever laying fingers on the smarter models (o3 mini at the time).
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/dune-dune-part-2-jessica-atreides-rebecca-ferguson-stare-gif-3601494608227044908
zoermena: And while you may think that some things are just so blatantly obvious to do they aren't for most people and they usually require external aid to guide them for the proper optimization or utilization of whatever they may do.
zoermena: But don't let yourself stay stuck that's death.
zoermena: That's a good start, as long as you move towards something until something finally clicks.
himekokatagiri: I'd have to check the work though
himekokatagiri: free paychecks
himekokatagiri: to do the stuff autonomously
himekokatagiri: shit if I could rig an agent
himekokatagiri: I'll ask deep research to find me gigs lol
himekokatagiri: You know maybe I could try for some freelance work
zoermena: There is always someone who needs your skillset
zoermena: This makes logical sense in your head as it does in mine but you are overestimating what most people can do believe me they are more ignorant than you would think
himekokatagiri: when you can just ask copilot to do it for you?
himekokatagiri: freelance gigs in 2025?
zoermena: oh you studied CS? I would personally try to work on some personal projects and publish them on GitHub to build some sort of portfolio. Looking for freelance gigs and the like. Hopefully you are not in a position where you have to support yourself.
himekokatagiri: dude I graduated
zoermena: Are you old enough to enroll in college? <@286319745777795092>
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/blade-runner-tears-in-rain-roy-batty-gif-3478115
himekokatagiri: but how long is that timescale
himekokatagiri: I think it's possible on a reasonable enough timescale
himekokatagiri: and I got into this deal because of him and gaben


spacetimetsunami: Same. I think it will but we’ll see.
metaldragon01: I'm very interested to see if grok 3.5 continues this trend
spacetimetsunami:
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/nekomimiyu-mii-my-melody-sanrio-sanrio-characters-gif-16238554427284258125
technocake.: i feel like i am being gaslit by pinkoids
himekokatagiri: very advanced
himekokatagiri: ooooh
hikukomoru: It's purple
hikukomoru:
technocake.: zor is purple
technocake.: ergo pink af
technocake.: fam its magenta
hikukomoru: It's purple
technocake.: in what universe
zoermena: <:KenShock2:1194419445234405437>
hikukomoru: Cause it's the most awesomest colour
hikukomoru: I'm purple
hikukomoru: I'm not pink
futurist_wizard: Catalogue is very lackluster rn
futurist_wizard: If only there were cooler games on vr
himekokatagiri: anti-social hikikomoru club
himekokatagiri: Who needs society when you got VR
technocake.: politics and society no longer cool?
technocake.: momoru why are you pink now?
himekokatagiri: maybe I'm just jaded idk
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/taxi-driver-you-talkin-me-deniro-gun-tricks-under-your-sleeve-gif-4282654
himekokatagiri: hey we have automatics too!
hikukomoru: There is so much more to life than 60's cars and revolvers
himekokatagiri: I played Skyrim for 2 hours and went back to New Vegas
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/talentless-nana-anime-nana-hiiragi-shocked-geschockt-gif-12417258017555057613
hikukomoru: Like Elder Scrolls or Baldur's Gate
hikukomoru: Just play any fantasy RPG
himekokatagiri: okay komoru you shall school me in fantasy
hikukomoru: Sure
hikukomoru: You're her but without the cuteness
himekokatagiri: She's me
himekokatagiri: https://tenor.com/view/anime-megumin-%E3%82%81%E3%81%90%E3%81%BF%E3%82%93-hehe-ok-gif-1493361783525958740
himekokatagiri: waganawa megumin
hikukomoru: Invent a grenade spell
hikukomoru: It's a fantasy world do whatever


himekokatagiri: yeah I suck at it
futurist_wizard: when did you become such an optimist
hikukomoru: That u?
himekokatagiri: and yeah it's me singing I can't sing
alejandrozarzuelo: i think 2030 is a good date for an AI that can perform almost all economic activity
himekokatagiri: but damn this throws vocaloid in the trash
himekokatagiri: and the inflection is weird
himekokatagiri: I don't dig the voice
himekokatagiri:
fuhulootogan: i mean this stuff has been out for a long time
himekokatagiri: hell even the voice thing my dream at least was a better vocaloid
himekokatagiri: I remember cleverbot
himekokatagiri: back in my kid days? nothing
fuhulootogan: you feed a machine hundreds of millions of data what do you get
fuhulootogan: if you set your expectations low enough you'll be surprised by the seemingly obvious things
fuhulootogan: well the people must be dumb
himekokatagiri: well yeah but people didn't believe
fuhulootogan: crazyyyyyyyy
fuhulootogan: wow technology improves
himekokatagiri: but second year onwards with gpt? goddamn
fuhulootogan: ok
himekokatagiri: I was using davinci for school work it was shit
fuhulootogan: you're kinda right
fuhulootogan: but ngl
fuhulootogan: 2003 years ago
fuhulootogan: that shit was like
fuhulootogan: 22 AD
himekokatagiri: the first SD was bad
himekokatagiri: only weirdos
zonchao: ???????? people were malding about SD
himekokatagiri: where are we now
himekokatagiri: 3.5 was fine but people thought it was a toy
himekokatagiri: back in 22 people saw DALL-E and nobody gave a shit
himekokatagiri: technology came in too fast
fuhulootogan: wdym
himekokatagiri: You couldn't do the shit we do last year
himekokatagiri: You guys are taking AI for granted I'm telling you it's coming
himekokatagiri: man c'mon
fuhulootogan: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1134281881127497749/1306738512665641040/IMG_0743.gif
technocake.: shit gets extremely wierd no later than 2032


fractalcomputer: No, I am not.
spicy.lemonade: He’s arguing semantics
st.sioux: it mirrors patterns, its statistical
_3sphere: Just the language center but still
sarik0497: Then I misunderstood something <:sad_cat:873457028981481473>
fractalcomputer: No?
spicy.lemonade: 🙏
spicy.lemonade: It’s Google it’s legit
sarik0497: If this is legit. We’re legit building humanoid brains.
ailoveyoom: <@378996537704841216>
st.sioux: This is cool
st.sioux: > All in all, our findings suggest that the speech-to-text model embeddings provide a cohesive framework for understanding the neural basis of processing language during natural conversations. Surprisingly, while Whisper was developed solely for speech recognition, without considering how the brain processes language, we found that its internal representations align with neural activity during natural conversations. This alignment was not guaranteed — a negative result would have shown little to no correspondence between the embeddings and neural signals, indicating that the model's representations did not capture the brain's language processing mechanisms.
fractalcomputer: Now, what you stated was a lot more audacious than what was presented by the paper. The findings of the paper are certainly interesting nonetheless.
spicy.lemonade: 🤷♂
spicy.lemonade: Not multimodal model
spicy.lemonade: I mean it was done for llm
fractalcomputer: The paper seems to be arguing only for predictive capacity in areas of the brain associated with language processing.
spicy.lemonade: <:based:1136264604788473946>
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: https://research.google/blog/deciphering-language-processing-in-the-human-brain-through-llm-representations/
spicy.lemonade:
fractalcomputer: Please give the citation. This process doesn't have to be this arduous, you know.
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: Actually
spicy.lemonade: Yes
fractalcomputer: Is that what the authors presented in the abstract?
spicy.lemonade: Link provided
spicy.lemonade: From the whole paper
fractalcomputer: I'm interested in how you drew that conclusion from the two screenshots you posted.
spicy.lemonade: Ilya was correct
spicy.lemonade: Next tokenpredictors likeley the path to agi
sarik0497: …Oh God, we’re creating new humans
sarik0497: Hah! Interesting.
spicy.lemonade: At a neuroscience level
spicy.lemonade: Fundamentally
spicy.lemonade: LLMs work the same way our brains do
futurist_wizard: Looks cool
hikukomoru: I don't get it
sarik0497: ELI5?
encapsulation: it does a surprisingly good job colorizing b&w images


st.sioux: when youre old and cant work
.histic: <@458069236825194506>
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/cat-cattitude-fun-cat-cat-fun-cat-funny-gif-5683118938279006051
spacetimetsunami: Are you transitioning
zoermena: Retirement?
hikukomoru: I gave him the trans mushroom 🍄
wellmeaningalien: fr fr?
.histic: no he's a mushroom
futurist_wizard: you shouldn't yeah probably it, you should be sure about it
zoermena: I want to focus this year on significantly improving my life, I got a job and started to do better but I could be more disciplined
wellmeaningalien: u gave him the evil mushroom
hikukomoru: I'm confused
wellmeaningalien: what did u do to him
maintcrew: im not saying theres a correlation, but a lot of modern queer space happens to be internet maxxers
st.sioux: you should start saving for retirement
hey1_1hey: Yeah prob
hikukomoru: Is Mushroom Guy coming out???
.histic: same too
hikukomoru: I thought it was a joke I'm confused now?? 😭 😭
hey1_1hey: "internet addicted" what bro 😭
zoermena: True but I’m lucky since I still live with my family so I can do fuck all with my paycheck
wellmeaningalien: wait so mushroom dude are you actually trans now
maintcrew: ok good dont fuck up ur life for being too internet addicted
hey1_1hey: Sure I can feel whatever I am feeling but I wouldn't transisation as of now
.histic: same.
wish it was every week.
hey1_1hey: I said previosuly that I wouldnt transisation anyway
wellmeaningalien:
hikukomoru: NAMIIII
zoermena: Yes
_cloudost: Gemini has become recently less restrictive
.histic: is ur paychecks biweekly?
maintcrew: no i said in general
hey1_1hey: Did I say that I did?
zoermena: Freaking real, I get paid on Friday
maintcrew: brother do u really want to suffer transition and all the fucked up shit it brings with it right before better tech for it is discovered
drewsni: Although I saw all of this as I’m the weakest I’ve been in years
.histic:
hey1_1hey: I just wnat to make it to friday
hikukomoru: Goes hard
wellmeaningalien:


st.sioux: oh yeah, i thought they were talking about the anime girl you or whoever sent
_3sphere: Do you have to be a narc for that
spicy.lemonade: LOLL
spicy.lemonade:
ailoveyoom: Autosexual
_3sphere: Hivemind is one whole, so its parts fucking is like a single mind fantasizing
ailoveyoom: I think it could be if you're a narc and like looking at yourself
wellmeaningalien: this?
hey1_1hey: Masturbation isn't a fetish so are we in the clear?
st.sioux: do what? anime girls?
zonchao: <:yummy:1062048541465378927>
.wolfnacht: dat sounds fun...
hikukomoru: You suck Elon's little rocket all day every day stfu bitch
_3sphere: That's just masturbation
hey1_1hey: Hey look its Zonny Mommy
wellmeaningalien: yeah sure bro stable diffusion could do this
oooooooooog: u would be right if only u said hive mind clonecest
hikukomoru: I don't know anything abou that
zonchao: gay
.wolfnacht: u can ask komoru..
ailoveyoom: Pure mushroom man 🥹
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/anime-angry-girl-sad-scared-gif-15789527
hey1_1hey: Theres no way thats what I think it is
hey1_1hey: Mind explaing what that is <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-3584473422170938815
hikukomoru: Can I princess carry you Fractal
.wolfnacht: Twincest is still >>>
hey1_1hey: Fractal fractal fractal

Oh my god I feel bad for you man
fractalcomputer: Evidently so.
clevermoniker: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1057705144457908252/1354494686932500660/Gm-UnJHbYAMPU9X.png?ex=67e57efa&is=67e42d7a&hm=380ebc4efc6f5c9985ffc13bbe14e70737d796f20c3fd9ae24464bd8fcf03a5b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=968&height=968
hikukomoru: Fractal are you fun sized
hey1_1hey: Fractal are femboys fetish posting?
_3sphere: This *is* the minimum
precariousworlds.: Yann lecun?
st.sioux: fucking cringefest
fractalcomputer: Keep the fetish posting to a minimum.
st.sioux: grok is so braindead its like an edgelord with downs syndrome
hikukomoru: Big dominant women 💖
hey1_1hey: I mean hey, whos to say only women can be into that
hey1_1hey: Just a guess


metaldragon01: .....
spicy.lemonade: The arc agi score sucks
.histic: i think it's even got a better score in AIME24
metaldragon01: Yeap
spicy.lemonade: How
spicy.lemonade: Is it?
metaldragon01: 2.5 is close enough to old o3
spicy.lemonade: Probably deep research level rates
spicy.lemonade: And def not for plus
spicy.lemonade: No chance
spicy.lemonade: Unless they optimized it crazy
spicy.lemonade: lol
ailoveyoom: So... all anti-AI people have OF accounts? 😈
spicy.lemonade: They do only fans
ailoveyoom: I don't get it 😔
spicy.lemonade: O3 full💀
ailoveyoom: ?
.histic: i could see full o3 & o3-mini-pro being released next week.
sarik0497: True, unless they figure out a much better reasoning capability that is very similar to a human’s.
hey1_1hey: Only time will tell as usual
hey1_1hey: I see the coloration yeah. Maybe this will be the new standard
hey1_1hey: Thats the real time line
.histic: that reminds me of v3 being hybrid model now
spicy.lemonade: GPT5 announced next week
spicy.lemonade: It’s time<:ez:1136267305521774634>
hey1_1hey: https://x.com/slow_developer/status/1905968859909386323 I wasn't going insane! 4o has started reasoning
metaldragon01: Depends on what you mean by soon.

I do think we will keep find obscure things they fail at for a long while though.
alejandrozarzuelo: yeah, nudes are kinda over, who can say if a nude of you is real or an AI nude
sarik0497: Indeed. It's gonna be interesting to see if we soon get to the point where a human will get a score of 50% at most, while AI easily tops 80%+
.wolfnacht: 😳  don't judge me
zonchao: <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
spicy.lemonade: Yeah
zonchao: have you seen them
spicy.lemonade: lol
.wolfnacht: also, AI can already create better nudes than her's.....
zonchao: <:angry_doggo_hd:1230838420222382120>
zonchao: you
st.sioux: this is awful lol
ailoveyoom: They weren't lying about the title 😔
zonchao: mfw it's worse than 11L from months ago.... how did they cook it


spicy.lemonade: its not o3 full level
spicy.lemonade: im wondering if an error couldve been made there
spicy.lemonade: and doing manipulations
spicy.lemonade: but involves pulling out external principles
spicy.lemonade: theres a video on how to solve
gamerbath: LOL
literallyvarane: Feels like a violation lolololooo
literallyvarane: Can we confirm if this is real?
gamerbath: why don't you solve it urself?
spicy.lemonade: 2.5 got pi^3/48
spicy.lemonade: answer is supposedly pi^3/96
spicy.lemonade: 2.5 or person who wrote
spicy.lemonade: idk who is wrong
spicy.lemonade: its off by a factor of 1/2
spicy.lemonade: perhaps hes wrong
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: at this level
spicy.lemonade: still cant solve this:
but tbh im starting to doubt the question writer
sarik0497: If you ask very, VERY nicely, you might be allowed to talk to him over voice.
joaoluz19: I want this environment with daddy Fractal ngl
hey1_1hey: ta ra all
hey1_1hey: Right anyway, I have already done my maths for today but I want to go do some more since I brought these new pens that are very nice to write with
.wolfnacht: still no API since 1 month
sarik0497: Not even FDVR so you can sit in a quiet cottage, with snow slowly dropping outside, and it’s just you and Fractal talking philosophy?

Weirdo..
_3sphere: Wanting grass is not a religious reason
hey1_1hey: Pretty pessimistic I'd say.
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/dune-stilgar-blasphemy-silence-stop-gif-563526331118421784
gamerbath: lmsys is used to determine the "best AI model"
gamerbath: yea grok 3 is currently on the top
sarik0497: More competition is better for us.

Make the U.S. shit their pants and suddenly having to speed up a bit.
trent_k: big overlap between crypto people who love xitter and polymarket users
joaoluz19: Good AI week for me => solve Riemman hypothesis, solve nuclear fusion, solve 2B full body with nanobots, full automation of white-collar jobs
st.sioux: xai 59%??
trent_k: flash 2.0 is goated. if u disagree its a skill issue. i will not elaborate
gamerbath: google is just 35%, 25% for end of april. I was expecting this to have shot up by now, so I guess gemini 2.5 pro won't topple the lmsys leaderboard?
_3sphere: Doesn't sound particularly holy
precariousworlds.: a green paradise instead of a desert
literallyvarane: TBD, but maybe
_3sphere: Any memory of what they were fighting for
precariousworlds.: gaymini will be topped by the end of the week watch
google will lose


fractalcomputer: Humans can be surprisingly smart.
hikukomoru: I don't want to think about anything else
wellmeaningalien: oh my god thats SO fucking twitter queer cartoon nerd self insert artist
anathemaofmankind: Just ask the planet behind him to get removed
_3sphere: Then put something in there (other than gooning)
spicy.lemonade: No way they’re gonna think it’s ai
spicy.lemonade: I will support it with a character design
hikukomoru: Waow pretty
spacetimetsunami: 😂😂😂
wellmeaningalien: theyd just be paying you 500 billion dollars to call me
futurist_wizard: You need to get on nofap, cleanse yourself
spacetimetsunami: Guys I am basically the most intelligent brain in the observable universe. The people funding Stargate could literally just call me and save 500 billion dollars.
wellmeaningalien: yeah sounds about right
anathemaofmankind: I do as long as it's not some parasitic bullshit
hikukomoru: My mind empty only think horny
futurist_wizard: Ratty with weird arms
wellmeaningalien:
wellmeaningalien: ur brains not empty enough but not filled enough
ailoveyoom: Bro doesn't like feeling needed 😔
hikukomoru: D-D-Do you think I'm c-cute...? <:uwu:1136266737420079195>
777agical: now to tell 4o to render a realistic version of it...
anathemaofmankind: It's not cute when she tries to cheat off of your academic work repeatedly
wellmeaningalien: i just like girls who have personality tbh
futurist_wizard: I don't get attached very easily to relationships at all, so to me they are all temporary
wellmeaningalien: ur not him.
wellmeaningalien: people in singularity spaces think so hard theyre super mega based asi god
memlaswaif: dumb girl is cute <:cozy:1126601045615853671>
hikukomoru: You're giving me so much "emo wolf" energy 🙏
futurist_wizard: Fucking your enemies is hot
anathemaofmankind: Average woman with personality 🔥
wellmeaningalien: is this attractive
anathemaofmankind: I find smart woman attractive.

There's a decent girl in my class but she's dumb so I hate her guts. I'd rather take someone mid
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/invincible-invincible-meme-conquest-conquest-invincible-invincible-ass-gif-15576927306975852977
futurist_wizard: Or guy but thats rare
hikukomoru: I like pretty women that are pretty 🥺
wellmeaningalien: im sorry i failed you mr macaron
alejandrozarzuelo: shame
alejandrozarzuelo: you are clearly not fit to be president of france
wellmeaningalien: real unless youre edp445
futurist_wizard: Age not dependant beyond being an adult


brain4brain: A very bad sign
brain4brain: Physic Gary Marcus like my post 💀
okbut: I'm not convinced yet that o3/o4-mini are worth the $20 with what we got for free
joaoluz19: Impressive
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/danhendrycks/status/1912631614758351264?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg
a1c4p0ne: Just use o3 medium
.wolfnacht: <@269678268670672896>
https://gizmodo.com/u-s-house-panel-says-chinas-deepseek-ai-is-a-profound-threat-to-national-security-2000590343

Also, https://old.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1k12i6l/trump_administration_reportedly_considers_a_us/
.histic: idk if copilot if its free.
.histic: cursor has o4-mini and o3 for free too
okbut: o4-mini already hosting Agent mode on Copilot <:monkaS:819327694813528161>
.histic: o3 is also available on lmsys too.
it's probably medium effort, but medium effort o3 scores better than o4-mini-high on LiveBench
.wolfnacht: <@505313122802728972> <@590577270926868480> Veo2
.histic: oh rip, i have medium effort on chatgpt anyway ig
a1c4p0ne: Medium for sure
a1c4p0ne: I just use the free points to ask o3 dumb questions
.histic: also, lmsys has 4o-mini on direct chat for free.
im not sure what thinking effort it is though
a1c4p0ne: They give you 3000 points and resets
.histic: doesn't that have a limit
a1c4p0ne: Download poe app
a1c4p0ne: Agreed
.histic: rip
zoermena: Helping you quickly figure out how healthy a menu item is based on its name or something i dont know.
zoermena: A cooler use case is to give you the reviews of the restaurant in a more digestible output which is better than what you’d find in Google maps or something.
a1c4p0ne: It can find the restaurant you’re in based on a picture of the menu
.histic: 😨
zoermena: There was this dragonfly model IIRC which apparently is an improved coder. I wouldn’t be shocked if it got shipped.
.histic: like i gave it an anime character's face and it could identity who it was
.histic: i didn't know o4 and o3 can actually SEARCH for images
a1c4p0ne: Do that with o3
.histic: omg
.histic: wtf
.histic: bruh, i'm just talking to o4-mini-high like a normal conversation and i still haven't reached my rate limit wtf
okbut: Predictions for the Gemini 4/22 release?
zoermena: I used to have “worse” chats in 2022/2023 back when I did jailbreaking. Now it’s just NPC stuff.
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/officiallogank/status/1912690850292768951?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg
.histic: i wouldn't want to see that shit lol
.histic: i think it'd be quite funny if the NSA had a backdoor to OpenAI and saw all of the crazy ass chats users have.
zoermena: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zoermena: That’s interesting! I dont know how knowing about my abdominal pain helps them but that’s cool!
.histic: the feds are spying on you! 😱


hikukomoru: For this reason Russians, Ukrainians, other slavs have an easy time pronouncing Portuguese
fractalcomputer: Certes. Mais ils ont une certaine curiosité quant à leur lexique—les articles définis ne viennent pas des articles démonstratifs du latin mais des adjectifs intensifs.
st.sioux: i dont speak either portuguese or russian but they sound like two completely different things
.wolfnacht: did they switched to new tpu's ? the tk/s  looks insane
himekokatagiri: I don't
wellmeaningalien: in fact the differences between old english and dutch are sparse
hikukomoru: No, I don't understand any slavic language in the slightest
The only connection between portguese and slavic is that they are both indo-european language
They SOUND similar, as in the way it's spoken, but beyond that there is zero similarity
wellmeaningalien: dutch is SCARILY similar to english
technocake.: in the way that as an english and german speaker dutch is like 2/3 intelligable
wellmeaningalien: indeed it does lol
hikukomoru: You mean if I can understand russian?
wellmeaningalien: bah c'est quand même logique ils n'ont pas vraiment eu tant d'influence externe ou de changement interne
technocake.: yeah
technocake.: like understand a bit?
st.sioux: like russian??
technocake.: do you find you can get the gist of it at all?
fractalcomputer: Contrairement le sarde est le plus conservateur entre toutes les langues romaines.
hikukomoru: Yes, some people think Portuguese sounds like russian or polish
There's a video on that
wellmeaningalien: putain d'anglicisme
wellmeaningalien: roumain
wellmeaningalien: parlons pas du roumanien par contre
wellmeaningalien: en vrai le français c'est le cousin bizarre des langues latines parce que l'espagnol, l'italien est le portuguais se comprennent assez, mais notre langue est une soupe de toute sorte de choses
technocake.: I hear that portugueses phonetic inventory is very similar to russian
fractalcomputer: L'italien est un petit plus conservateur que le français avec son répertoire phonologique.
wellmeaningalien: weird fuckers
wellmeaningalien: ma mère a étudié l'italien aussi au lycée
wellmeaningalien: c'est rigolos comment studiato est plus proche de l'anglais
hikukomoru: Portuguese understand all other latin languages but nobody understands ours
wellmeaningalien: "anche" and "ch'io ho" get me tripped up
fractalcomputer: L'italien est aussi une langue que j'ai étudié.
technocake.: if nobody answers i'll learn interlingua
wellmeaningalien: portuguese you're our weird half cousin
hikukomoru: Portuguese too 🥺
wellmeaningalien: ouiii
fractalcomputer: Certo.
wellmeaningalien: besides that idk what i can really understand lol
wellmeaningalien: è sounds like "est"
fractalcomputer: L'Italiano è anche una lingua ch'io ho studiato.
technocake.: Learning a romance language is high on my to do list, what is the most cross intelligable?
wellmeaningalien: even if its just a little tho


memlaswaif: i tried to get him into it and failed and he got into it himself when chatgpt released
hey1_1hey: I just showed my mum this and her first thought was

"So are they going to bring dinosaurs back"
"Not sure if they can"
"The world is gonna end"
memlaswaif: way back
memlaswaif: a muslim guy i knew was really into ai
wellmeaningalien: yeah maybe and there are also ai skeptics here
literallyvarane: This guy is a joke and is predicting literally nothing lolol
wellmeaningalien: cause allah is the only ASI
memlaswaif: there is probably some muslim here
memlaswaif: really
wellmeaningalien: i feel like thatd be blaspheme to muslims
memlaswaif: idk
wellmeaningalien: why would i ever be muslim and on r/singularity discord lol
wellmeaningalien: facebook meta what you wanna call it
memlaswaif: cloudo hates muslim people iirc
wellmeaningalien: i knew he worked for facebook at some time
wellmeaningalien: goated
wellmeaningalien: y
wellmeaningalien: no?
memlaswaif: r u muslim
memlaswaif: i remember he said he wants to make agi
memlaswaif: whats he up to these days
memlaswaif: the goat
wellmeaningalien: kèk
wellmeaningalien:
memlaswaif: if they r smart they r saving the o4 stuff for when they release gpt 5
gamerbath: o4-mini is coming in a few weeks, according to sam altman. so it's not unlikely o4 will be announced at the same time (but without release)
wellmeaningalien: no idea just ask gemini 2.5 pro its good at everything
wellmeaningalien: especially cloudo
memlaswaif: we don't know none of us actually use ai
wellmeaningalien: but i gotta teach these retards a lesson man
memlaswaif: dont be mean
wellmeaningalien: retard dont post iruletheworldmo
futurist_wizard: Another 20 trillion percent tariff
.0xunkn0wn: for creating maps in games
.0xunkn0wn: heightmap and colormap generation
.0xunkn0wn: is there any model that can do like
.0xunkn0wn: Guys
jonvi_1:
jonvi_1: please 😰
jonvi_1: Can someone try turning the US on and off again?


hikukomoru: Idk who this is but he looks creepy
wellmeaningalien: dylan
hikukomoru: We haven't won until I can run AGI on my pc
wellmeaningalien:
wellmeaningalien: ok to be fair youd be right to be scared of milchick
futurist_wizard: I remember i had a male therapist and most of the time i was thinking of a plan in the event of him attacking me, even though he was some manlet
wellmeaningalien: really? but mark and milchick from severance
wellmeaningalien: twitter is not the world, twitter is just a very loud 1/20th fraction of the world, and only like 1000 of those people are relevant to the discussion
hikukomoru: I get spooked by all men
brain4brain: We finally won
futurist_wizard: In my dna
brain4brain: In both popular reply, newest reply, and qrt
hikukomoru: You're too paranoid 💔
wellmeaningalien: the other day i was with a group of complete strangers, we were talking about ourselves and i mentioned to them i have an interest in AI, they said "thats good, thats cool, youre preparing for the future"
brain4brain: All anti-ai post are getting booed off the internet
brain4brain: Twitter echo chamber, more normies are now pro-AI than anti-AI
futurist_wizard:
wellmeaningalien: i think all normies were pro ai off the hook. even despite what happened in the media with ai, they are still generally favorable towards it
hikukomoru: ?
futurist_wizard: If its not certain i can easily beat the fuck of the guy, im instantly put on edge by them even being a room with me
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/man-free-man-freedom-free-chain-gif-2032133702890087634
brain4brain: The tide has finally shifted, there are more pro-AI normies than anti-AI normie
wellmeaningalien: <:Sip:836718497542176772>
hikukomoru: Stop posting that emoji
wellmeaningalien: <:Sip:836718497542176772>
wellmeaningalien: meanwhile im vanilla as a piece of white bread
wellmeaningalien: i just like women who have a personality but thats far as it goes tbh
futurist_wizard: Men put me on edge
wellmeaningalien: <:Sip:836718497542176772>
wellmeaningalien: i didnt bother telling her otherwise
wellmeaningalien: the other day she was showing me a meme that elon musk reposted and she thought he made it
hikukomoru: I make me paranoid too
wellmeaningalien: she does actually have a twitter
futurist_wizard: Unstable people make me paranoid
hikukomoru: What's her @
wellmeaningalien: HELL FUCKING NAH OEDIPUS
hikukomoru: Ermmm in what sense
wellmeaningalien: <:SKULL_SKELETON:1133504974777757726> <:SKULL_SKELETON:1133504974777757726> <:SKULL_SKELETON:1133504974777757726> <:SKULL_SKELETON:1133504974777757726> <:SKULL_SKELETON:1133504974777757726> <:SKULL_SKELETON:1133504974777757726>
futurist_wizard: You should ask her out
wellmeaningalien: <:Sip:836718497542176772>


anathemaofmankind: 🔥
fractalcomputer: Yes, I do not believe in morals.
spicy.lemonade: AI/ML and cs
artemisfowl887394: Slavery scares the fuck out of me. Also, slaves don't make great thinkers or warriors.
futurist_wizard: Enslaving them is pointless
futurist_wizard: 99.9% can't even perform any advanced math
trojan09205: I got my degree in statistics
trojan09205: What do you actually love to study
futurist_wizard: How would that even work
anathemaofmankind: Taken unironically, how so
spicy.lemonade: no intuition
spicy.lemonade: I would go into electrical engineering & robotics but holy shit i suck at it. im so bad
trojan09205: I only have a bachelors but i know i need my phD if i want to seriously scale up

Though i do a lot of analogous work to them
artemisfowl887394: Yeah, you're morally bankrupt.
trojan09205: Okay honestly ive been out of school for a while i dont really follow the student stuff. I work in the big boy industry haha
spicy.lemonade: lead phd leads project and you do other stuff you can handle
fractalcomputer: I think humanity would be far better off enslaving the 99,9% of the population in order to fund and supply resources to monasteries dedicated for pure mathematics.
spicy.lemonade: more like apprentice
spicy.lemonade: not for student researcher
trojan09205: You need a PhD in ML and practical experience with modeling and transformers or similar architectures to be an AI researcher job
anathemaofmankind: Nice
spicy.lemonade: today
spicy.lemonade: I can still "work" on agi by doing research along with professors
okbut: "Ah yes another 170 IQ"
spicy.lemonade: but im trying to work on agi in short term
trojan09205: I honestly think bachelors programs are kind of lame
okbut: make it 4o-latest so it just pampers the fuck out of you
trojan09205: Many of the data scientists  i work with have phds
fractalcomputer: But they are a good metric of how willing I am to tolerate one's existence.
spicy.lemonade: thats why im not going to grad school
spicy.lemonade: ik
anathemaofmankind: AGI will already be created before you graduate bro.

And then nobody will be needed anymore
artemisfowl887394: Yeah but language skills aren't exactly the perfect metric for genius evaluation.
spicy.lemonade: architectural
spicy.lemonade: I want to work on agi
spicy.lemonade: I dont want to do a bunch of ploting for financial figures or wildlife growth
fractalcomputer: Putting a modicum of effort into interacting with one's peers is an auspicious opportunity to learn skills in verbal communication.
anathemaofmankind: Why don't you make this
spicy.lemonade: everyone who didnt get into cs pivoted to data science
trent_k: How about an LLM trained to look at your message history on Discord as input and predict something akin to an IQ score


.histic: how do you try Quasar Alpha?
3ds0662: like it hits every subject from math to engineering etc.. just takes maturation and increasing complexity of the subject to shut them up
3ds0662: and just basically proves them completely wrong
3ds0662: physicists have this arrogance that their viewpoints and intelligence supercedes others across a plethora of disciplines cause of the fame and prowess of their predecessors and subject. but it gets to a point where their shenanigans of its “this way” disappear as the technology and discipline progresses past their one off 5-10 minute critiques
.histic: lol
.histic: i'm just a pattern matcher
.histic: i don't think too tbh
3ds0662: i sometimes have asked what model is being used for o1 and others maybe im hallucinating when it first came out it said gpt-4 then a month later when i was using it more and it felt dumber it said it was gpt-3.5
spicy.lemonade: thats not even what they said
spicy.lemonade: oh brother
spicy.lemonade: https://youtu.be/-wzOetb-D3w
3ds0662: but have no evidence to say they are really doingg that behind the scenes
3ds0662: new refusals or random ones like for when image gen 4o came out or o3 mini feeling dumber or smarter at times
3ds0662: it just takes long asf lol and i do think maybe the api is probably slightly better it feels like shenanigans go on in the chat interface where they tune the models strength up and down based on how many users are using it
3ds0662: yeahhh its amazing for unlimited use
3ds0662: 🤣 😭
3ds0662: but i wont be ungrateful happy to be able to use it or try it
3ds0662: or free like gemini
3ds0662: its good but not tails off 200$ good considering all the other subscriptions are 20$
3ds0662: even like the outputs are homogenous and generic a lot
3ds0662: cause unlike what altman said it does not pay itself off
st.sioux: i mean like it can only get so much better
3ds0662: so o1 pro at what it is now is good but still ripoff for 200$
3ds0662: i gave it code claude generated it was only able to make it slightly better
3ds0662: if it doesnt get on like first 10-15 tries
3ds0662: eventually the 5 minute-10 minute + thinking is useless
3ds0662: but still limited
3ds0662: o1 pro shockingly is really good at hard problems and debugging when im clueless
.histic: also, how tf is o1-pro unlimited on a pro subscription yet the API cost is insane..
.histic: how good is o1-pro?
3ds0662: after that since its too expensive i cancel
.histic: damn
.histic: wait, you've pro?
3ds0662: im only keeping the pro until gpt-5
.histic: some people got pro for free by begging Sam on Twitter <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
3ds0662: yeah the pro sub 200$
3ds0662: ill cancel subscription depending on how good o3 is
.histic: woops i stated that in my message lol
3ds0662: o3 pro i meant not the others
.histic: when i mean plebs, i mean plus users lol
free users won't get anything.
gotta wait until GPT-5.


metaldragon01: You'd be silly to use anything but deepseek v3 or gemini pro unless you needed something niche from thinking models or the other base models
metaldragon01: But asking today as far as base models go?
metaldragon01: 6 month or less window is what it feels like
metaldragon01: Pretty much. Depends on how large of a jump gpt 5 ends up being and llama 4
professorheaven: Yup these scores match Grok 3 and 4.5, it’s not “China’s going to catch up” they already have
metaldragon01: Seems like more than a "small" update
.wolfnacht:
metaldragon01: https://discord.com/channels/1136230110261952532/1136230110891081821/1353931829484191797
alejandrozarzuelo: It's so over
alejandrozarzuelo: I just saw the arcagi2 results
ldj: specifically I mean the Deepseek V3 chat model, not the raw base model
ldj: but also, it's already expected that even original Deepseek V3 is better than GPT-4.5 at certain things, since Deepseek V3 is trained on some reasoning data(confirmed in their paper), and as a result is especially really good at math stuff.
ldj: maybe i'm missing some benchmarks, but from what I saw this new model is only a slight improvement over previous Deepseek V3
professorheaven: And just a month later DeepSeek is on par now
professorheaven: But it matches Grok 3 and 4.5, these were supposedly the models that were supposed to put the US in a massive lead due to how much compute they were trained on
ldj: are you talking about the new deepseek v3 update? in that case, yea it doesn't change my mind on anything, it's just a small update to the V3 model, just like OpenAI always releases small 4o updates every month or 2
ldj: tbh, I'm not even fully sure what model you're referring to as "todays release"
ldj: I think I maybe said 18 months, maybe I said by EOY too, but only about 80% confident in EOY, and more like 90%+ confident in 18 months (like mid-2026)

But yea todays release doesn't really change my mind on anything
professorheaven: You said it was because the western labs will have so much more compute that it’ll be hopeless for them but they just released a 4.5 level model
professorheaven: Btw I remember you made a prediction that DeepSeek won’t be matching any of the labs by the end of the year. After today’s release, do you still stand by that?
metaldragon01: Going to assume no until proven otherwise
playstation.6: does it work?
_wwwwww: yes
clevermoniker: you found a new technology?
_wwwwww: discord to discuss applications of the technology that i found
clevermoniker: join what?
_wwwwww: wanna join?
_wwwwww: based
clevermoniker: I mean, with the singularity who knows what could happen, maybe we could have replicators for real and we could be self sufficient
_wwwwww: Drive to the at least multi-polar world?
drewsni: not me
clevermoniker: what do you mean?
spicy.lemonade: so annoying
_wwwwww: Who here believes in Singularity and Self-Sufficiency?
metaldragon01: For reference
metaldragon01:
metaldragon01: Lol he deleted a post about 10 lines of Java to solve arc agi 2 😂
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: which post is this, it didn't load
metaldragon01: Speaking of...

https://vxtwitter.com/VictorTaelin/status/1904387248973291678
ldj: Someone who kept claiming to make something that he thinks could easily beat arc-agi, and then kept deleting those tweets, and then kept saying how he's breaking milestones without posting any score comparisons at all of their model against others in any well known benchmark.


a1c4p0ne: does 2.5 pro gets it
destrucules: *you* do not have any submarines, and you are not a submarine
spicy.lemonade: asi canceled
precariousworlds.: When I first learnt about these terms a few years ago I always thought this was the case, that once AGI was achieved an intelligence explosion would follow, but this isn't really true
darkstar0818: o3 says it cannot solve busy beaver function of n 6, let alone unbounded.. what a shitty ai.
anathemaofmankind: Stockfish is superintelligent in one domain
destrucules: It's not my definition. I am actually very annoyed by the fact that people use the term "AGI" to refer to an economic value statement. That wasn't my decision. I've been telling people for years now that we achieved AGI between 2018 and 2022 depending on definition, and imo 2018-2020 is the more reasonable sub-range. By the strictest definition, we achieved AGI in 2018.
a1c4p0ne: stockfish
spicy.lemonade: how
precariousworlds.: we have nuclear powered submarines in every sea of the earth, i think we are the masters of the ocean
fractalcomputer: The 1 + 1 ≠ 2 isn't really the best example, since that has nothing to do with empirical verification.
precariousworlds.: I mean LLMs already have a conception for that based on training data
The vast majority of humans are the same with 1 + 1, the average person doesn't know it's wrong because of complex mathematical proof and how numerical systems work (people have surface level comprehension compared to actual deep mathematics), it is just because we have learnt with basic logical systems that 1 thing and another thing means two things, LLMs have the same thought process
popsiclejohnithan: To be fair, i doubt it will be a long gap between A.G.I. and A.S.I.
anathemaofmankind: Outperform all humans is ASI
destrucules: I mean, by the same token, your average salmon is smarter than you "at the aquatic world"
anathemaofmankind: AGI just means artificial general intelligence.

Your definition sounds like ASI
precariousworlds.: More general now
destrucules: "AGI" in modern parlance does not distinguish between general and narrow intelligence. "AGI" in modern parlance means an AI that can outperform virtually all humans at the vast majority of economically valuable tasks. Modern AIs are already generally intelligent and that has been true for a half dozen years already.
precariousworlds.: what about terrence howard
anathemaofmankind: "In some"

So narrow domains like AlphaGo
spicy.lemonade: dash didnt register
fractalcomputer: Huh. Right.
precariousworlds.: In some it very clearly is competitive for achieving general tasks
spicy.lemonade: nothing they can say will convince you
spicy.lemonade: like if someone told you 1+1/=2 you know they are 100% wrong
spicy.lemonade: the mathematical statement
anathemaofmankind: Are you guys claiming AGI is here
anathemaofmankind: AI doesn't have general intelligence even in digital domains
precariousworlds.: what is right or wrong?
spicy.lemonade: right now its heuristics based
spicy.lemonade: like it knows wether its right or wrong imperically
spicy.lemonade: ASI math with physics knowledge is asi physics
precariousworlds.: ground truth?
precariousworlds.: Right now that general intelligence only applies to digital domains, humans are still the absolute masters of the physial world in almost every field
That will change with new robotics
darkstar0818: Can we solve the busy beaver problem after we solve math please.
anathemaofmankind: You mean general knowledge.

AI doesn't have general intelligence yet.

There is a distinction. Otherwise we would have AGI? Like what even is this remark
spicy.lemonade: "solving" maths implies they have had a breakthrough in giving models a ground truth
perish0801: I can see that being true
spicy.lemonade: statement
spicy.lemonade: i agree with this


spicy.lemonade: lmao
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/lewissaunderson38-lewissaunderson-cry-crying-cry-meme-gif-11499408157122608476
spacetimetsunami: Woke mind virus isn’t real kiddo
st.sioux: even your startup is infected by woke mind virus 😔
spacetimetsunami: Lmao why I wonder
spicy.lemonade: Then scrolled up to watch full
View
spicy.lemonade: And clicked that instead
spicy.lemonade: “Trump is destroying America”
spicy.lemonade: But it saw a YouTube video titled
spicy.lemonade: I told it to open my mail app and write an email
spicy.lemonade: 💀
spicy.lemonade: My ai has shiny thing syndrome
spicy.lemonade: wtf
alejandrozarzuelo: Glory to the CCP
alejandrozarzuelo: Better than o3 full hopefully
zonchao: https://x.com/thegregyang/status/1905743670571323585?s=46
zonchao: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
zonchao: this just another harvey wrapper, will be ass
st.sioux: its cool, has big potential
spicy.lemonade: Using discord
spicy.lemonade: And only had 1 example so far in database
spicy.lemonade: Or html
spicy.lemonade: Quite impressive conscidering it’s not text based. Purely vision
spicy.lemonade: Go on Google and find video of whether is mayonnaise an instrument
st.sioux: dont forget us when u get into 3 comma club
spicy.lemonade: can even use blender
spicy.lemonade: yes, we are applying to y combinator
joaoluz19: Seems awesome man
spicy.lemonade: let me show video
spicy.lemonade: the more it learns from you
spicy.lemonade: and the more you use your computer
spicy.lemonade: but for all apps
spicy.lemonade: not just for browser
spicy.lemonade: we built a desktop ai agent
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-funny-wtf-wth-jesse-gif-17336046
oooooooooog: what?
spicy.lemonade: need to fix memory
spicy.lemonade: its a bit slow still
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: turned it off


literallyvarane: Do we actually know what caused this? I haven’t seen an announcement.
.wolfnacht: sorry, i'm outta touch from everything.
drewsni: gotta be cut from somewhere...
drewsni: massive increase in capex while lowering overall expenses for the year
ldj: Increase in Capex by around 8%?
ldj: the trend being?
ldj: no
.wolfnacht: bcz of bitnet ?
drewsni: it might be over for SWEs
drewsni: beginning of a trend
drewsni:
ldj: The winter:
futurist_wizard: I imagine the overall percentages might be lower but the difference between the countries changes very little
joaoluz19: Good one
joaoluz19: Ah lol, I see.
fractalcomputer: I find the global pervasiveness of Anglophonism rather dull. People arrive at the need to learn English only through "inbred" reasoning.
drewsni: lol meta raised capex by another 10 billion for this year so much for that ai bubble pop.
fractalcomputer: Perhaps so.
alejandrozarzuelo: i love the word companion btw

"the person you share bread with" such a lovely ethymology
fractalcomputer: Confrere could have done as well.
alejandrozarzuelo: should have used "brother" then
fractalcomputer: How trite.
fractalcomputer: You do not need to use the colloquialism "mate" to indicate your evident mastery over this beautiful language.
alejandrozarzuelo: its frustrating how people in many spanish speaking countries have such broken english

like mate, over 70% of the vocabulary is the same and the grammar is easy as can be
alejandrozarzuelo: btw, not saying that this doesnt hold true in general to today, but this infographic is so old it could drink alcohol in germany
.wolfnacht: english is still hard for me, when it comes to understand some social cues and some tricky words that have become a norm. that i can't figure out, besides that i can use LLM for that to make me understand.
alejandrozarzuelo: the americas speak english or languages very close to english

europe speaks languages close t english and they are in a union where english is heavily emphazised

africa everyone who has an education speaks english or french (which is basically latin english)

the middle east is flooded with american dollars and speaks english as the business language

India and the philippines...

only east asia and mainland southeast asia remain
.wolfnacht: most of india is a hellscape with no jobs and a burden of 700M youngsters seeking a job out of 1.5B people, no wonder why they are soo desperate to leave their own country
alejandrozarzuelo: which is why they are so sheltered in the internet
alejandrozarzuelo: with the main expection being east and southeast asia
alejandrozarzuelo: it also helps that most of the world speaks a european language as their first or second language
futurist_wizard: Its the global language
futurist_wizard: Because of how pervasive english is, its the easiest to learn, even two foreigners speak in broken English to eachother
fractalcomputer: Limitations are set down by the hand of man.
alejandrozarzuelo: but some of us have much easier time doing so
alejandrozarzuelo: english is a very easy language to learn
alejandrozarzuelo: just because you cant quantify this doeant mean that this additional difficulty doesnt exist
fractalcomputer: Impossible to quantify.
alejandrozarzuelo: spanish and french and german? piece of cake to learn english
alejandrozarzuelo: its much easier for ones than others


brain4brain: It's the second  renaissance
zoermena: This
.histic: but not bad
.histic: slop thumbnails
drewsni: Blackwell goes brrrrrr
brain4brain: https://x.com/apollonator3000/status/1904999339983819129?t=1M8LntxpF4AcVpq32i1-Ww&s=19
drewsni: Pls no I’m enjoying being able to hog the compute
.histic:
zoermena: AI channels <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
anathemaofmankind: Is there a single popular channel who only talks about good news?
zoermena: What happened to good news
zoermena: Those dudes suck all they do is hate and talk about bad things happening
anathemaofmankind: I want Asmongold and Moist Critikal talking about this
zoermena: But I do like feeling like I’m one of the privileged
anathemaofmankind: True
zoermena: Not fast enough
metaldragon01: Going mainstream fast
anathemaofmankind: https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457
zoermena: No way
metaldragon01: Broooooo
metaldragon01: https://x.com/MikeTyson/status/1905029341752467881
zoermena: I hate classes
zoermena: I hate online classes
.histic: https://x.com/sama/status/1905061845532315936
anathemaofmankind: Blud doesn't know I'm a bigger expert
anathemaofmankind: I'm on an online class right now and the professor is talking about AI
st.sioux: i dont even like anime but this is beautiful
.histic: the Japanese are absolutely loving 4o.
i've seen numerous tweets totaling 10s of thousands of likes.
https://x.com/uiu______/status/1904701544614027483
wellmeaningalien: SOME of the images are indistinguishable at first sight
wellmeaningalien: gpt 4o image gen is but the first breath of the dead internet theory
.histic: i've seen so many 4o generations today that when scrolling through twitter i'm starting to have this feeling that most of the things i'm seeing are generated too.
overtime in the next couple of years i'll start to become schizo once the internet's content is 50% AI.
.histic:
futurist_wizard:
.histic: two of them do look familiar don't they...
jonvi_1: If I was an upcoming artist I’d uh worry
st.sioux: who are they
.histic:
jonvi_1: Saturn wannabe
futurist_wizard: He vored Zon
jonvi_1: Did he eat his other kids?


spacetimetsunami: The point still doesn’t address the origins of all of existence. It’s a bandaid.
oooooooooog: also, big bang doesn't say it came from nothing lol, just that it expanded from a high density
sarik0497: Indeed, and that’s also why I try not to draw conclusions of the Unknown, because for all we know, things might be entirely different.

It’d be like if an ant ventured atop a blade of grass, and saw the vast unknown for the first time, and then began drawing its own conclusions of the world from that small bit of knowledge.
futurist_wizard: We understand 'nothing' within space and time where theres a vacuum of space, even within that there still isn't nothing but still, so nothing from the frame of before space time, ta fuck does that even mean
spacetimetsunami: No I am not. I am address the theory of the Big Bang, reality and existence arising from complete non existence. Literally impossible.
oooooooooog: it follows rules sure, but those rules are only logical because we feel they are.
maintcrew: yea but its master mode on small mobile i get my shit fucked
maintcrew: I think you're using the framework that "nothing being there" is more probable than "something being there"
oooooooooog: then platinum armor is fine -_-
maintcrew: shiiiit something easy to farm ig im playing on mobile after all
spacetimetsunami: (.        )
futurist_wizard: What does no existence even mean
spacetimetsunami: Because that is illogical, and the universe is logical.
wellmeaningalien: the universe is a super duper mega quantum superconductor plasma time resistant mechatronic fluid
oooooooooog: why not
spacetimetsunami: Quantum fluctuations are not a comparison
spacetimetsunami: If there was truly no space and no time, no existence before the Big Bang - then : wrong. You can’t get existence from non existence,
oooooooooog: i mean, most OP would be full ancient shadow armor, terraspark boots (well, ambphibian boots would be better), and probably... hmm... make a big arena? get demon scyuthe? you know, that sort of thing. get full warding too.
hey1_1hey: Me to, my sincerest apologies on the behalf of the two and half thousand people in the server
spacetimetsunami: Quantum fluctuations don’t tell me shit
_3sphere: That whole set of properties is *something*
maintcrew: yo yo terraria man im playing master mode on phone whats the most op combo i could run to beat the early pre hardmode bossses
spacetimetsunami: Because then things don’t exist
spacetimetsunami: They can’t happen outside of that
popsiclejohnithan: I mean there's always the chance that it is truly eternal, it would show that our understanding of the laws of physics need revising.
_3sphere: Why does it have 3+1 dimensions and not 17?
spacetimetsunami: No, danserk. Quantum fluctuations happen within space time continuum. That is existence.
_3sphere: There's still "something", the structure of the vacuum itself
fractalcomputer: With what?
maintcrew: from grok "Quantum fluctuations are random, temporary changes in energy at the subatomic level, arising from the uncertainty principle in quantum mechanics. They allow particles and energy to briefly pop in and out of existence, even in a vacuum."
maintcrew: quantum fluctuations literally means something comes from nothing
spacetimetsunami: Okay
maintcrew: No i agree with the big bang, im saying that in this framework the quantum fluctuations happen as something fundamental to the universe - something that just is - and those happen to create a universe every once in a while
spacetimetsunami: Also, the reason why the Big Bang stuff is wrong in so far as before the Big Bang there was nothing, is that (and I know it’s gay and lots of theists say it) something can’t come from nothing
oooooooooog: fracral i truley dk how u deel w/ this 😭
sarik0497: Ah, but that’s the interesting part, and the really intriguing thing about humans. We are limited to believing that all things must have a beginning and an end, as biology is like that, but what if it isn’t?

Just like how the fact that the Universe might be endless seems surreal and impossible to our mortal minds, it may just be that.
popsiclejohnithan: Good point actually.
popsiclejohnithan: Not that it's neccecery just that it's more likly that it's not eternal, but if it is eternal i would really want awnsers as to how that is even possible.
spacetimetsunami: I’m not saying the Big Bang is invalidated
fractalcomputer: Anyway, yes, I did see a gash in the clouds today like I described.


hey1_1hey: There isn't a ddrink
hikukomoru: Uhuh
hey1_1hey: I mean am I wrong?
drewsni: How the FUCK can you say no twink when Greg motherfucking brockman is gonna be there
_cloudost: Tell it if GPT 3.5 is an narrow AI
st.sioux: lol
st.sioux: theyre so useful
literallyvarane: They have a clear use case imo.
popsiclejohnithan: Mini models are useful though, sure they are less powerful but you can fit them in less compute, like a phone for example.
hikukomoru: Just give us the full thing
hikukomoru: I hate mini models
literallyvarane: Alpha fold is a narrow ai etc etc
hikukomoru: No, I'm just Google's no.1 simp
drewsni: I’m going to be so fucking pissed off if o4 mini and o3 can’t literally 1 shot every problem I have
literallyvarane: Chess Engines are a narrow AI. It can do one task, and *only* one task. ChatGPT 3.5 clearly isn’t a narrow AI.
hey1_1hey: Komoru is just a chinese spy dont listen to them
literallyvarane: It’s very clearly not a narrow AI.
hikukomoru: Hype cancelled
literallyvarane:
hikukomoru: That means it's a nothingburger
hey1_1hey: I still have high hopes
zoermena: Panic
mtj8920: We will see
hey1_1hey: "models" plural. Its defo both of them
mtj8920: I mean it does seem we getting o4-mini as well, but the fact that they're just vaguely mentioning, does mean that it is likely to be definitively beaten by o3, while 2.5-pro might cost approximately the same, when accounting for the likely longer thinking time of o4-mini.

But true would be cool to see how much they improved it. I still think it's gonna better for many of the more technical things, it is just gonna be really slow and expensive, and 2.5-pro will likely win in user-preference at least in LMArena, but o3 will still be better for many of the tasks. The thing is just that it will not have nearly as good contextual understanding of 2.5-pro and horrible visual-understanding, so I mean will it even make sense using for fx. coding at that? I also feel like 2.5-pro will be more resistant to bad prompting and just more controllable, but idk.
hey1_1hey: No twink tho
hey1_1hey: Thats a lotta fucking people
_cloudost: GPT 3.5 had to be trained by humans, and human data, are we sure it's not narrow AI
hey1_1hey: I am exceptionally hyped for this live stream
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/hyper-cucumberrr-dancing-cucumber-gif-23898576
literallyvarane: Not sure this is a good poll? Even GPT3.5 wasn’t  a narrow AI, so *most any model so far* is a protoAGI since it’s clearly not AGI.
abundantliving_: o4 mini is coming
gamerbath: hell yeah
abundantliving_:
gamerbath: so are they releasing the old o3 which they announced earlier or are they releasing an updated version? with 4o we got an updated version
_cloudost: No wonder they're always leading but releasing a degraded version of their models so it doesn't cause social chaos
_cloudost: That means OpenAI has already internal AGI
a1c4p0ne: Yes
_cloudost:
_cloudost: o4 could be AGI?


clevermoniker: AGI for me is capable of automating 50% of digital jobs
clevermoniker: i think earliest for AGI is late 2026 as of now, but much more probable on 2027-28
drewsni: literally redlining lmao
brain4brain: What’s your AGI timeline
drewsni: plus theyre producing triple the gpus that they did two years ago
drewsni: slacking? they moved the release cycle from 2 yrs to 1yr and the leaps are even bigger between generations
clevermoniker: that's why my AGI definition is based on it being capable of automating jobs, and jobs have time limits
clevermoniker: same
ldj: and then I think the last 30% of it is AI research tasks
ldj: and then roughly 40% is mostly software engineering
ldj: I think like 30% of it is part of the "general reasoning" bucket
brain4brain: Oh wow
ldj: along with AI research specific tasks
ldj: They have a set of general reasoning tasks in there too
brain4brain: Or did they also measure other task
brain4brain: Also does the METR paper only measure computer science task?
spicy.lemonade: nvidia is slacking
spicy.lemonade: ngl we need more competition on the hardware side
spicy.lemonade: true ig
brain4brain: Yes, it will need to be 1:1 and eventually less
ldj: But then you're not just measring the AI, but you're measuring the hardware too
spicy.lemonade: wouldnt call it revolutionary if it took 1 year to do 30 min task
brain4brain: The paper based off the upper bound based off how long it takes the human
brain4brain: If it’s the upper bound, there are bound to be a point where there are no longer a limit extend to infinity, so the amount of work it can do in a set time will be the next thing that will get benchmarked
spicy.lemonade: does task in human time or less
spicy.lemonade: human time should be the uper bound
spicy.lemonade: time not being included in this is crazy
st.sioux: i figure it would eventually figure out how to lower costs by itself
clevermoniker: because after it can do it at the same speed, what is needed is simply cost reduction
clevermoniker: but if it does it at the same speed and skill, that's what is important
clevermoniker: it doesn't matter if it costs 1 million times more than a human
clevermoniker: it needs to do stuff on a human level at a resonably similar time
clevermoniker: I think, in my AGI definition, time does matter but cost does not
ldj: so basically on max reasoning mode
ldj: But it's an upper bound of what the frontier capabilities at the time will be capable of
ldj: > in just a few minuets
again it has nothing to do with how long the AI agent takes to do the task.
maybe it will take the AI agent 100,000 years to do it, maybe it will take the AI agent 2 days to do it, maybe it will take the AI agent 2 seconds to do it.
clevermoniker: <:pepethink:1136282436242788482>
spicy.lemonade: and test was like 1.5 hours long
spicy.lemonade: few minutes
spicy.lemonade: didnt o1 get 100% on carnegie mellon test


wellmeaningalien: thats cause i havent had the occasion for it yet tho
wellmeaningalien: still straight edge lol
wellmeaningalien: cool
retrerox: I barely drink alcohol
retrerox: I’m a good boy I don’t do drugs
wellmeaningalien: anyway dont do too much coke
wellmeaningalien: some random stoner tried to talk to me and  he got arrested by the police while i was there lol
wellmeaningalien: had a craze craze night tonight myself even tho i didnt hit a club or nothing like that
retrerox: Ty
retrerox: Touching grass is fun
wellmeaningalien: have fun
wellmeaningalien: cool
retrerox: Might hit a club, they have a dj tonight
retrerox: Going for a night walk today
otub: https://vxtwitter.com/sama/status/1635684890812485633 heres him in 2023
zonchao: yea
drewsni: Interesting that they’re pretty much all safety people
zonchao: Steven Adler, Rosemary Campbell, Neil Chowdhury, Jacob Hilton, Daniel Kokotajlo, Gretchen Krueger, Todor Markov, Richard Ngo, Girish Sastry, William Saunders, Carrol Wainwright, and Jeffrey Wu.
_cloudost: They will ruin it
_cloudost: Americans aren't welcome in Europa
_cloudost: It's over for the US
_cloudost: China just won the AI race
_cloudost: All thanks to these ex members, we are all going to live in a fascist empire for eternity because of these fools
_cloudost: These ex members are paid by Musk
spicy.lemonade: what arte the odds its someone working at xai
spicy.lemonade: can people give it up already
spicy.lemonade: the staffer: elon musk's alt
zonchao: https://x.com/ns123abc/status/1910780104722248082?
frittata: It’s giving Russian novel character chart
spicy.lemonade: optimus is better?
spicy.lemonade: huh
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: 2.5 likeley wont be sota
spicy.lemonade: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
spicy.lemonade: in terms of coding capability
spicy.lemonade: next week we will be in a completly different place
st.sioux: he's 40
_cloudost: Leading an AI company must give you lots of stress
_cloudost: Damn, Sama looks old in this picture
.wolfnacht: https://x.com/ollama/status/1910728086649545111