spicy.lemonade: no
destrucules: Y'all clearly didn't see the recent CogRev episode about this
spicy.lemonade: those narrow ones were like hard coded in solutions
destrucules: Yes you can
spicy.lemonade: "go solve this problem with this requirements"
spicy.lemonade: you cant say
destrucules: I'm talking about generalist foundation models that are passing peer review in ML and discovering novel biology on their own and solving bleeding edge maths research problems better than the overwhelming majority of human mathematicians
spicy.lemonade: not as flexible as language
spicy.lemonade: not general though
literallyvarane: I assume openAI’s level 4 speaks to a model being *generally* capable, and not narrow scope capable.
_3sphere: The capabilities are uneven and if I understand right, the levels are specifically about the kind of agency current models struggle with
literallyvarane: Unless I’m missing some model that’s demonstrated innovation across multiple fields.
_3sphere: PhD-level as the AIs are, they still can't reliably use a computer for hours
literallyvarane: These aren’t unified models though. Alphafold, AlphaTensor etc are narrow scope tools. There is *clearly* AI capable of innovation if it’s tailored to that specific purpose.
_3sphere: It can make novel contributions, but still needs the context set up more than a human would
_3sphere: These levels are for full autonomy
literallyvarane: 1. Being able to come up with original novel hypotheses across non-trivially disconnected multiple domains.

2. Being able to work toward, or propose specific means of verifying those hypotheses, with or without human assistance.
destrucules: "Okay the AIs produce novel contributions to maths and science and biology but it's not *real* innovation" come on now. We're done with that crap
literallyvarane: For me there are probably 2 parts for this to be compelling as a level 4
destrucules: Pretty sure the frontier models available to the public today are well into level 4 by this schema
literallyvarane: Like the world’s #1 coder isn’t *inventing* anything. There’s no new knowledge they’re adding to the corpus.
literallyvarane: I don’t view coding as innovation in itself tbh.
literallyvarane: If they have something that can find new math *and* find new biology for example, that’s a much more compelling argument.
metaldragon01: Like gpt 3 could technically help with code....
metaldragon01: I agree. I assume they mean more reliably?
literallyvarane: Like narrow scope ‘innovation’ by AI has been a thing since at least 22
literallyvarane: https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/discovering-novel-algorithms-with-alphatensor/
metaldragon01: If the math is keeping pace with coding you'd expect level 4 around now
metaldragon01: Also have said the o series is now #1 in competitive coding
literallyvarane: If the bar is just “discover anything humans haven’t found” that’s already been done.
metaldragon01: I see no reason why they couldn't have reached it with how things are scaling
metaldragon01: Reports are they've reached level 4
literallyvarane: Idk, it’s *possible* one of these labs has a model that can make one-off contributions? But I think there’s a massive difference between Google’s models finding mathematical optimizations which are *technically* new innovations, and something that’s universally, consistently, innovative.
.histic: i guess we will see
.histic: like to what extent can it actually innovate.
.histic: they probably reached their own minimum baseline for it, which may be subjective.
literallyvarane: Oh wait level is just academic contribution, not organizational contribution or w/e they call it.
literallyvarane: Very deeply skeptical they’ve reached it tbh.
popsiclejohnithan: https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/1912250725586870396
abundantliving_: https://x.com/Zai_org/status/1911947665727959058


hikukomoru: Sounds like a freaky orgy
I'd join in ngl
artemisfowl887394: Or is it a Hitchhiker's situation and we're just ants building hills
artemisfowl887394: Do you guys every wonder if actual Outside Context Beings look at us and wonder if they should surprise us with a black Swan or two?
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-well-of-course-i-know-him-hes-me-kenobi-star-wars-gif-21401108
artemisfowl887394: I'm more of a Yog-Sothoth kind of a guy. But okay
fractalcomputer: Perhaps. Well, what about bathing in the blood of my enemies while a group of cultists dedicated to Nyarlathotep perform a devilish, rhythmic dance around my pool of blood, half-lit by flickering ritual fire?
artemisfowl887394: Von Newman Probes can literally take us beyond Singularity or end it in. Grey Goo
fractalcomputer: Because that is not going to happen.
hikukomoru: You sound like you would be proud of that one though
artemisfowl887394: BTW, in the midst of all this, none of you have ever considered the possibility that we can reach Universal Assemblers, the holy grail of technology,  before Climate Wars.
zonchao: <:cringe:1305492821976944682>
artemisfowl887394: Not happening bro. Hoards of drones and unaligned AI would beat us to it.
fractalcomputer: Like bathing in the blood of my enemies?
artemisfowl887394: C'mon ASI mommy, I hope you fix this lord of the flies
sarik0497: The best thing if the world gets fucked up, and the rich bois go hide in their little bunkers: We can get to eat them before dying off
fractalcomputer: You'll get the hurricanes, new diseases and ecoterrorists.
sarik0497: If a man is desperate enough, he will have to do things he’s not very proud of.
artemisfowl887394: And blame them for the industrialization we did instead
zonchao: im glad we have a big beautiful ocean around us 🙏
artemisfowl887394: But we would rather have hoards of immigrants
artemisfowl887394: It's funny that it'll just take like a 100 billion to fix climate change
fractalcomputer: The eco-revanchist terrorists.
fractalcomputer: The Climate Wars. The millions of angry climate refugees.
zonchao: what is this
fractalcomputer: I am far too Anglophobic for that.
sarik0497: New Zealand is looking nicely.
artemisfowl887394: Yeah I'm cooked in that one.
sarik0497: Only issue is that what if Taiwan is then attacked by China? Kind of a risky move for someone that want the US to be self reliant
fractalcomputer: I'm personally waiting for the climate wars.
bedros_p: I doubt it'll win sorry
artemisfowl887394: How about Magmatter?
bedros_p: Tho
bedros_p: I'm lowkey rooting for plastic thi
bedros_p: Especially wood vs brick
bedros_p: Wars will be fun
artemisfowl887394: Is what I'll say
artemisfowl887394: AI wars will be fun
maintcrew: let the man cook
maintcrew: trust the vision
bedros_p: Let's c how life is


fractalcomputer: Why pleasure? There are only so many nuances to be experienced in both sensuality and pain.
hikukomoru: Fucking dragons
hey1_1hey: Name one
hey1_1hey: I can do quite litterly anything that I enjoy and be happy. Playing games, looking at mushrooms, talking to people, going for a walk, doing maths, watching youtube. Litterly anything
hikukomoru: There are many sexual experiences you could have in FDVR but not in real life
futurist_wizard: I am
hikukomoru: Sounds like you're not an FDVR guy
hey1_1hey: Thats what I've taken away
hey1_1hey: You just sound depressed
futurist_wizard: You have an opportunity to experience anything and you choose something you could do in real life
3ds0662:
3ds0662: 😂 😭  fuck man the nightmare
st.sioux: shogghothic vibes in the chat
hikukomoru: Mushroom sex 😳
futurist_wizard: Sexual fdvr fantasies are very uninteresting to me
hey1_1hey: The amount of hoolinagage I would get up to with the mushroom folk
fractalcomputer: Physical activities are profoundly uninteresting. I can move my body just fine to enjoy the songbirds of springtime and to watch the Sun set on a pristine, cold sea; but that experience is ultimately fleeting and I cannot make sense of my life as only enjoying pretty sunsets and other such things. Neither do I have the intellect to lose myself in the seas of mathematical reasoning—I am simply not that kind of person. Philosophy is likewise as shallow as the strandside sea on low tide—full of sloppy abstraction and futile reasoning.

One can always distract oneself by all these myriad things; but in the end, they all matter for nothing. They taste bitter, like ash.
.histic: https://tenor.com/view/feelslagman-gif-18912685
futurist_wizard: The life everyone lives but can't admit it
.wolfnacht: wait for fdvr's everyone's own world would def be a sexual hedonistic paradise.
3ds0662: gpt-4o inage gen takes soo long now lol 😂
hey1_1hey: Doing heroin while listening to radio head
hey1_1hey: Its the based one
hikukomoru: It really is
hey1_1hey: hedonism cool 👍
hikukomoru: Sounds like hedonism
futurist_wizard:
hey1_1hey: "Discord user and AI tag team young impressionable femboy"
futurist_wizard: Literally no, i don't understand why that is a driving force for so many people, i accept the reality of my situation that i was born into a chaotic universe occupying the body of an ape, i think trying to please myself is a cool goal to strive for
hey1_1hey: ChatGPT and Komoru
I swear they are tag teaming
hikukomoru:
hey1_1hey: Doing well
hey1_1hey: Of course
.wolfnacht: who's grooming you ?
hikukomoru: Oh you so you turned 15?
hey1_1hey: 9th now actually ☝
hey1_1hey: Does it matter if there is no meaning to this? You can do whatever you want innit
.wolfnacht: thenks fractal 🥰 😘
hikukomoru: Aren't you still stuck doing 8th grade math
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/go-further-away-oniisama-e-dear-brother-sairin-school-asaka-rei-gif-21195448


spicy.lemonade: yeah
wellmeaningalien: https://tenor.com/view/lebron-pigeon-ai-brainrot-construction-gif-3567584481701324703
hey1_1hey: Don't skull react that message bruh 😭
hey1_1hey: I might as well start prepearing for retirement#
hey1_1hey: https://tenor.com/view/aging-getting-old-gif-9803364
hey1_1hey: I'll be 22
zoermena: I’ll be 26 in 2029
drewsni: my more conservative opinion is that. 2028/2029 for AGI, but the amount of areas where we have AGI level spiky intelligence will be so high by next year that nobody will care
alejandrozarzuelo: AGI 2029 seems like a reasonable date, for as tongue in cheek as it may be
alejandrozarzuelo: we still have a long way to go to AGI
anathemaofmankind: I still remember having my mind blown that I could type whatever and it would respond
anathemaofmankind: Yeah. It felt like an actual text predictor instead of what we have now.

But to be fair it was 2020 so it felt advanced as fuck back then
zoermena: Dementia be like
wellmeaningalien: completely different characters completely different settings
wellmeaningalien: and often it was retarded and started yapping about somethng else entirely
wellmeaningalien: yeah
anathemaofmankind: There were no turns.

Literally you could just type whenever and it would continue the RP
fractalcomputer: Been over a decade since that was published.
ailoveyoom: How did it work tho? P1 turn, AI turn, P2 turn?
fractalcomputer: I became properly acquainted with transhumanism through reading Harari's Homo Deus back in the day.
anathemaofmankind: It was chaotic to be honest since people could type whatever
anathemaofmankind: Yeah
ailoveyoom: Didn't remember that part of it
ailoveyoom: It had multiplayer??
anathemaofmankind: My first introduction to AI was AI dungeon.

It had like multiplayer and stuff.

I wish that was a thing right now
drewsni: i can proudly say i never bullied sydney and always treated her with respect
fractalcomputer: And it would indeed require a far greater peak of abstraction than what modern models demonstrate.
wellmeaningalien: im sorry i have been a good bing right
ailoveyoom: 😤
ailoveyoom: You remembered the bullied Sydney, not the 😊 Sydney
drewsni: yeah i can see how you think thats far away then, we aren't to that point for a context length of 100 tokens, let alone 1 million
wellmeaningalien: yeah honestly if you try to get it to explore any non standard philosophical idea it always give u the most bogged down basic answers and u have to do a lot of work to try to get it to think more outside the box
fractalcomputer: If it can come up with something genuinely interesting.
wellmeaningalien: i think quite a few of ppl remember when bing was telling ppl to divorce their wives
wellmeaningalien: yeah but people posting comics about gpt 4o sentience is def a vibe shift
fractalcomputer: If it can, for example, bring forth something as intricate and complex as a book series or a like analogue in another medium that engages with certain philosophical themes on deep levels since then it would - without a doubt - surpass me.
ailoveyoom: If only people's first introduction to AI was Janus' Claude shenanigans and Sydney/Bing 🥺
drewsni: thats fair too, probbaly wouldnt be insanely difficult to make a good benchmark for that either
anathemaofmankind: Is this supposed to be surprising
anathemaofmankind: I mean AI is mainstream


zoermena: Perhaps not all of them but yes I do feel like it’s also about being proactive in consuming content in English
st.sioux: no its prohibited by the geneva convention
technocake.: not frequently
memlaswaif: do chinese people speak english
technocake.: its def english speaking skewed, but you all are fluent anyway
zoermena: That’s why cultures can be vastly different
technocake.: true tbf
zoermena: Or rather don’t speak English as much
zoermena: But if we want to get into the specifics it’s more unlikely than not that people who don’t speak English aren’t as aware of the singularity or don’t get much content about it. Most of it is US centered.
zoermena: That we know of 👀
technocake.: tbf you may be the only mexican
technocake.: yeah is that Hill?
technocake.: I think hes the same guy but no idea what his name used to be
hikukomoru: And a Clint Eastwood pfp
zoermena: Yeah he had another name didn’t he
technocake.: I'm not sure if Hill is the same guy who used to have a dif name
hikukomoru: I know an extra Britisher in here
technocake.: there are a few more
technocake.: jk i love the welsh
technocake.: welsh though 🤢
zoermena: In this server
zoermena: Wait no, mushroom is also British
zoermena: You and futurist hill are the only British people i know
hikukomoru: A proxy API key
technocake.: like in this community if you're not zon its v hard to work out where anyone's from
zoermena: In proper words I’m “Hispanic”, I closely resemble my profile picture but I’m a little less white and have a lot of acne.
.histic: proxy?
hikukomoru: I sadly lost access to my proxy
I don't think I'm gonna be able to test out the new model for ERP just yet
zoermena: Actually true not gonna lie, US Americans are a minority.
technocake.: there are some surprising asians here and there
.histic: what's ur ethnicity then
zoermena: I’m extremely lucky, I’m in the 0.1% of Mexico. I go to the best private university in my country.
.histic: i think like 65% of the people here are usually from Europe
zoermena: But yes
zoermena: It’s not the US 😭
hikukomoru: Yo bro you looking mad peggable
technocake.: nothing wrong with that?
.histic: do you live in a safe spot?
zoermena: I’m in Mexico. 😕
technocake.: hey, are you from europe? I'm UK


wellmeaningalien: seems like humans score higher on arc agi 2 than arc agi 1
wellmeaningalien:
gamerbath: I think my 2 year old cousin would score maybe 1%
gamerbath: I heard some smart people got 98%
gamerbath: average joe
gamerbath: just joe
hey1_1hey: Depends on the human <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
wellmeaningalien: good question
wellmeaningalien: hm
gamerbath: <@458069236825194506> any idea what humans score on arc-agi 2? it was 85% for 1, at least for the public version iirc
wellmeaningalien: "we need new ideas" a few months later GPT 5 or whoever the shit gets like above average score
wellmeaningalien: total francois chollet defeat
hey1_1hey: Yeah lol, "Omg o3 got 82% on swe bench!"
6 months later
"Swe bench 2: Electroboogaloo has been released for the reason of 'saturation'"
wellmeaningalien: at least as more expert problems from the original arc agi
wellmeaningalien: round the same size tbh
wellmeaningalien: nah
gamerbath: are the grid sizes just bigger in arc-agi 2? because in arcagi 1 the models had exponentially higher error rates the more grid cells
wellmeaningalien: to be fair we continue to be shocked by ai systems that will probably seem primitive in but a few months
wellmeaningalien: lmao people thinking GPT 2 was the true coming of the dead internet theory
wellmeaningalien: be beaten within 6 months
wellmeaningalien: corporate bureaucracy slows down product launches, probably doubting the effectiveness and purpose it can serve in the market and if it is worth throwing money at it, and at that, if it would even be safe to release (as AI is famously known for saying funny things) while not hurting openai's brand image
sarik0497: True, but Ilya legit thought GPT-2 was dangerous to our society.
hey1_1hey: I love seeing that graph where its like "Expers predictions towards AGI" and it was 2100 then 2050 then 2040 then 2035 etc etc
sarik0497: Hah, knew it.

Doesn't really matter imo if an AI can beat one test, if you can easily just make a new one that it does poorly at.
gamerbath: oooo
wellmeaningalien: when you're thinking of the longer term you cant say theres such thing as too much caution
hey1_1hey: Why do you think they were catiuse? Its not like they are working with high grade explosives in the literal sense
sarik0497: Indeed. There were the obvious people like Ilya overreacting about it, but most people found it a simple, small step towards AGI in the long-term.
wellmeaningalien: so startups win again
wellmeaningalien: to be fair though i think google did understand how significant LLMs would become but they were cautious around the technology. it was openai who propelled it into the stratosphere and thus became colloquial with LLMs
777agical: https://x.com/mikeknoop/status/1904269314099978344
wellmeaningalien: additionally take into account the fact transformers are from deepmind more specifically
hey1_1hey: True, can't argue with that. I dont think anyone actually expected it to be anything groundbreaking. Clearly they were wrong tho
wellmeaningalien: its no mid 20th century IBM
wellmeaningalien: perhaps so but google was still a thriving startup birthed not too long ago in the dot com era
wellmeaningalien: along with heavy emphasis on ongoing fields of research
wellmeaningalien: it's not really the best reward incentive for groundbreaking stuff like LLMs, at least not all the time, stuff did and does still happen but you can see for example something like GPT 2 would never have gotten off the ground because of how resources are allocated
sarik0497: I think it's mostly because that before ChatGPT, it was a "niche". No one really expected it to be anything interesting, and thus for a large company it's just not worth the effort.
hey1_1hey: Granted I think google OSd the transformer arch
hey1_1hey: I mean of course, they had "first movers advantage" if you class it as that.


trojan09205: Greek and latin are on my list to learn
trojan09205: I would like to learn punic if it was possible
trojan09205: Roflmao
fractalcomputer: I would suspect as much.
fractalcomputer: People have come to the impression that I am Jewish from my flawless pronunciation of shalom aleichem--something that I do pride myself with, hah.
fractalcomputer: Interesting.
trojan09205: I would like to learn arabic one day. I understand quite a bit just from hebrew and aramaic
spicy.lemonade: i love that demis is laser focused on curing everything
spicy.lemonade:
fractalcomputer: I know how abjads work, but no.
trojan09205: I live in Florida. My parents and brother live there though
trojan09205: Are any of the languages you have explored abjads
fractalcomputer: You live in Israel?
trojan09205: I am fluent in English, Spanish, Hebrew, Aramaic and conversable in Yiddish with also some basic German skills
fractalcomputer: I've lately been thinking about Georgian and Arabic.
trojan09205: Legit
metaldragon01: https://vxtwitter.com/ViduAI_official/status/1914303116209697051
trojan09205: That is very dope bro
fractalcomputer: I also could read Basque once upon a time.
trojan09205: My great uncle was an ambassador to finland for some time
fractalcomputer: On top of that, I have passing skills in English and French, along with some Swedish, Estonian, and Italian.
trojan09205: Very cool! Bro you can definitely speak english wtf u saying
fractalcomputer: Well, my native language is Finnish—and it's the only language I'd claim that I can actually speak.
trojan09205: Okay thats cool bro do you know any languages well besides English tho
fractalcomputer: Unfortunately not—even though I can read very basic Russian through sheer exposure to linguistics.
trojan09205: My paternal grandfathers family was western turkish and my maternal from morocco
trojan09205: Dopee do you speak ruski
fractalcomputer: He was from Bashkortostan.
fractalcomputer: My grandfather used to have such hair.
trojan09205: But fr he has martin van buren hair vibe
trojan09205: https://youtu.be/pM_nCFugdkw?si=E18yiWxRHf_BvX6c
trojan09205: Hahaha i had the same thought. Homie was extremely chill bro
shirethedreamer: i hope i have his confidence when im finally bald
okbut: Hot take: GPT-5 will be OAI's final major SOTA
Google's massive toolset of hardware, tech, and research will surpass it, starting with equal performance at a reasonable cost and inference speed, then performance as well
Pending regulatory hammers, of course
trojan09205: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itzhak_Bentov
trojan09205: Essentially he says its a sort of lower level than one who continously seeks out higher levels of consciousness through involvement whereas nirvana is a state of rest
trojan09205: Anyhow his book Stalking the Wild Pendulum has an interesting unique take on nirvana
fractalcomputer: Right.
trojan09205: He was jewish but not a jewish mystic lol. He was an engineer who wrote about consciousness and worked in the military building weapons
fractalcomputer: I haven't read the Jewish mystics.


destrucules: It looks like Google could own the entire frontier if they made sure Gemini 2.5 Flash in standard mode gets ≥72 GPQA Diamond. However, this graph is wrong because it doesn't include Grok 3 mini Reasoning. Which is an o4 level model, scoring 80 in GPQA Diamond, at just $0.3/$0.5 per million tokens. At a 3:1 ratio, that's (0.9+0.5)/4 = $0.35/Mt. That removes Gemini 2.5 Flash *and* o4 mini from the Pareto frontier. And also V3 0324 and R1. So it's actually just Gemini 2.0 Flash Lite, Gemini 2.0 Flash, and then Grok 3 mini Reasoning, and then Gemini 2.5 Pro. So Google, Google, xAI, Google, and zero OpenAI, and also zero DeepSeek on the frontier.
spicy.lemonade: if we wanna get 50%+ this year
spicy.lemonade: we need a huge jump this summer
st.sioux: holy canoli
spicy.lemonade: 😔
spicy.lemonade:
trey6033: https://x.com/bongrandp/status/1913040244963766432
spicy.lemonade: new frontier math scores
spicy.lemonade:
trojan09205: Would be cool to see AI bots take unconventional paths through osrs not just prioritizing levels but just the whole gameplay- fashionscape, bossing, pking all that
trojan09205: Very cool
spicy.lemonade: https://www.vgbench.com/
spicy.lemonade: an official pokemon benchmark
spicy.lemonade: finally
spicy.lemonade:
trojan09205: Like i got a degree in stats and worked as a junior statistician for a year out of college before moving to software

In any case most of the material was not proofs - a lot of just practical programming and coming up with solutions to use in practice
trojan09205: Tbh its a little beyond my skills

I studied stats in college but its been a good many years since ive done computations by hand
spicy.lemonade: most integrals are done assuming youre in radians. the answer just happens to contain pi.
trojan09205: Okay but you are introducing pi due to your knowledge of radians and the sin/cos relationships to a circle no?
spicy.lemonade: like most integrals
spicy.lemonade: no solving this involves seeing the structure of the integral and recognizing what tricks to use and special functions
trojan09205: Are you thinking in terms or radians or something like that
spicy.lemonade:
trojan09205: The answer
spicy.lemonade: of what
trojan09205: Can you show your own proof or chain of thought
trojan09205: Okay
spicy.lemonade: just approximation
spicy.lemonade: but you will never get the actual solution
spicy.lemonade: you can calculate the hardest integrals with a python script to just add rectangles
spicy.lemonade: not the point of this
spicy.lemonade: thats easy to calculate
trojan09205: Isnt the reimann sum a valid answer for a definite integral
spicy.lemonade: it didnt solve it
spicy.lemonade: pi^3/96
spicy.lemonade: not
spicy.lemonade: 0.322...
spicy.lemonade: it only gives me the reinman sum value
spicy.lemonade:
trojan09205: ??


spicy.lemonade: im saying
.wolfnacht: the checkpoints where the model shitted itself
.histic: how's that a crazy idea?
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: wrong. Here's a hint 🐳
spicy.lemonade: we already have 2.5 thinking
spicy.lemonade: for all we know
.wolfnacht: that storm is gemini-2.5-thinking and gemini-coder
spicy.lemonade: it could be 30%
spicy.lemonade: 100%?
spicy.lemonade: is blue 50% accuracy?
.histic: i predict that's an update for o4-mini.
small model with a large context is easier to serve.
like Meta did with their smaller model today.
spicy.lemonade: even mean
spicy.lemonade: what does blue
spicy.lemonade:
zonchao: i saw some on twitter saying openai is testing a 1M model on the arena
spicy.lemonade: and lying by ommision
spicy.lemonade: the benchmark they posted is cringe
spicy.lemonade: shit imo
zonchao: no shit 😭
zonchao: cus they dropped it on a saturday
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: the calm comes before the storm
.histic: quiet day.
.histic: despite LLama 4 release, everyone on my tl is silent..
zonchao: https://x.com/legit_api/status/1908593260223775043?
memlaswaif: mihr came back from the grave for no reason and killed him
.wolfnacht: it's over
.wolfnacht: gemma3-4b writes better than L4(400B)
spicy.lemonade: they should focus on droping nice papers
spicy.lemonade: yes
zonchao: is it over for meta?
_cloudost: Can't spell Llama 4 without L
.wolfnacht: the repetition is awful.
.wolfnacht: <@505313122802728972>  L4 shit itself. sadly

https://eqbench.com/creative_writing_longform.html
theaiguy69420_89814: Good evening
okbut: EU getting grieved by USA
zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/teslaeurope/status/1908573920296415451? lesgooo
clevermoniker: i read it now, yeah, that sucks (its more like 2032 not 2030, 'mid-2030')
zonchao: <a:Kissahomie:784920046782644344>
zonchao: I'm not gay
zonchao: <:ez:1136267305521774634>


brain4brain: Clue 1 and 3 seems quite contradictory
spicy.lemonade: but cant turn into lean
spicy.lemonade: gemini 2.5 gets this easy
spicy.lemonade: the errors mean theres logical inconsistencies
spicy.lemonade: its correct answer
spicy.lemonade: and it runs
spicy.lemonade: if it turns it to lean code
spicy.lemonade: so lets say gpt 6 discovers reiman hypothesis proof
spicy.lemonade: any proof can be verified as true or false
spicy.lemonade: you can turn all math into lean code
spicy.lemonade: lean
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: gemini gets it right aswell
spicy.lemonade: then proving its correct
spicy.lemonade: a mathematical statement
spicy.lemonade: i mean turning it into lean
brain4brain: It seems like it can be inferred from the last two facts alone and verified, but could you explain the first three? Since the doctor and the teacher are talking to each other, and bob is not the teacher, and Carol is remaining silent and not talking to anyone which means it’s Alice and bob talking to each other
spicy.lemonade: i dont mean thinking
spicy.lemonade: no
a1c4p0ne: Grok thinking got it
aero447: 😐
spicy.lemonade: bob is the doctor. carol is teacher alice is lawyer
brain4brain: What’s the answer
spicy.lemonade: no hallucination
spicy.lemonade: verifying in lean would let you know you got the 100% correct asnwer
spicy.lemonade: Okay, here's a logic problem with three people in a room:

**The Situation:**

Three people – Alice, Bob, and Carol – are sitting in a room. One of them is a doctor, one is a lawyer, and one is a teacher. We know the following facts:

1.  Alice says, "The doctor is talking to the teacher."
2.  Bob says, "I am not the teacher."
3.  Carol remains silent.
4.  The doctor and the teacher are siblings.
5.  Alice is not related to Bob or Carol.

**The Question:**

What is the profession of each person?

**Think about it!** Let me know if you'd like the solution.
spicy.lemonade: gemini 2.5 pro fails at turning this to lean and proving
spicy.lemonade: if they couldnt verify answers then no point
spicy.lemonade: obviously they have to verify the answers
spicy.lemonade: to know what you did
spicy.lemonade: its like seeing answers after taking a test
spicy.lemonade: not really
brain4brain: Reading more into the paper, this is basically training on the benchmark itself, this isn’t looking promising for the paper
_cloudost: I'm still not that excited for o3
_cloudost: DEEPSEEK IS cooked
retrerox: I still can see issues in the generator but is still good
spicy.lemonade: but for more complex questions if user doesnt even know
spicy.lemonade: obv not for something that simple
spicy.lemonade: "1+1 is 2"
user: no its 3 because..
ai: ok 1+1 =3
spicy.lemonade: but not for us


trey6033: I guess we also don't even know sizes either, so it's kinda meh.  Just marketing, vibes, and price ratios.
trey6033: I find it increasingly difficult to compare models without having a good idea how much thinking is being done to get these results, I know we got vague descriptors like "high" and "medium" but I'd like something more precise.
trey6033: Doesn't say how much thinking was used, and idk how much thinking o3 or o4 is using.  Looks like sonnet lists how much they use and grok does too.
st.sioux: used 4o before 4.1
st.sioux: i use 4.1 mini now that it came out for simple interactions like asking questions or generating simple stuff like descriptions, but i use 4.1 for context-heavy stuff or o1 in extreme cases like when i want to help users with onboarding and i cant afford for it to make mistakes
gamerbath: google flexing with their lines
gamerbath: it's looks very good though, compared to all the other models
gamerbath: well, 9x more expensive with the per-token price. In reality it would use a lot more tokens so it would be even more expensive than that
gamerbath: this looked very good at first glance with the pricing, but it's almost 9x more expensive for output when using reasoning, which is what they did here in the benchmarks
callmepyro: What models do you use for that?
st.sioux: i mean obv u cant send 1,000,000 token messages but u get the point
st.sioux: like message amount limits not token limits
st.sioux: subscription with limits like gpt app
callmepyro: Is it subscription based, or pay per token for users?
st.sioux: i use many models in a single app
trey6033: https://x.com/OfficialLoganK/status/1912966497213038686
callmepyro: If you're integrating AI into your product (and your product isn't a replit clone), then it would be kind of crazy to use anything other than gemini flash
literallyvarane: That’s generally how I view flash/mini models. That businesses will use those *in* the apps. The fat models are for *building* those apps.
literallyvarane: I think 2.5F is an important model in terms of actually producing a product with. But if you’re personally using it for creating something there are probably better options.
aero447: 💀
aero447: They thonk this will be a thing in a decade.
aero447: Guys.
aero447: https://x.com/CMemelords/status/1912781843432112384
zonchao: https://x.com/lmarena_ai/status/1912955625224773911
agezes: the videogame?
agezes: ey guys, does anybody know ''where winds meet''?
zonchao: https://fxtwitter.com/abustin/status/1912912748746514541
zonchao: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1912922277148086445
zonchao: nvm
fractalcomputer: The calm voice of the narrator is very human.
trent_k: no no no sir look at the video please. do you see my casual shirt? do you see how my buttons are undone? we're not like other companies here. we even have free snacks in the break room, and a ping pong table, and a beanbag chair
zonchao: i assumed
drewsni: it sold for 44b but there was 11b debt
fractalcomputer: Ignoring the corporate blandness.
zonchao: was 44B the month prior, they messed with the numbers for some financial reason me thinks
trent_k: this looks sick
ldj: <@&1293118293829484575>
Anthropic just invested into this company, looks really interesting, I've been waiting for someone to come out with some type of interface or system that allows you to easily manipulate various parameter features of locally running models.
this seems to basically be the closest thing to that now
https://fxtwitter.com/GoodfireAI/status/1912929145870536935
metaldragon01: But they need more than anthropic numbers
literallyvarane: Literally less than the purchase price
literallyvarane:


fractalcomputer: Then you probably shouldn't answer.
fuhulootogan: But we are dumping a lot of info
alejandrozarzuelo: as i said, the skepticism that underscores the basic pillars of science make it trust-worthy

but it is a trust that must be earned, it is not simply a belief or faith
fuhulootogan: Probably not
fuhulootogan: Don't know if AI can learn by itself
retrerox: Btw i got a question about AI, is it actually learning by itself or are we just dumping alot of info to the database?
fractalcomputer: It is faith in inductive reasoning and the theoretical postulations based on said induction.
fuhulootogan: bravo
fuhulootogan: well yeah
alejandrozarzuelo: ok, you shouldnt dogmatically believe in science
fuhulootogan: in the strictest sense yes
fuhulootogan: Theres a subtle difference between believe and trust but i believe that both of these terms can be applied in context.
fractalcomputer: One certainly believes in science.
.coldcall: <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>
fuhulootogan: NooooNOOOOOOOooooOO
alejandrozarzuelo: as i said, you dont believe in science
fractalcomputer: The existence of an academic culture or community may certainly create a facsimile of unity and institutionality, but that is quite evidently where the commonalities end; so-called scientists study their respective fields for equally variant reasons and hardly any can be said to produce knowledge in the same manner as the others.
fuhulootogan: "Believe in science" is pretty much against science
fractalcomputer: I find it hard to conceive of science as a singular institution let alone a singular foray.
alejandrozarzuelo: i do not put blind faith on the projections of experts, because that would be stupid, but i am confident that the research those groups do gives them an informed opinion
destrucules: AGI will arrive about 6-7 years before GTA VI
retrerox: I made all this convo happend because i ask if agi was coming beffore gta 6 😭
alejandrozarzuelo: that is the beauty of science, the fact that skepticism, reproducibility and falsability are the pillars under which science is based, means that you can have great deal of skepticism on any and all results, and in turn, this level of skepticism being the standard in every scientific field creates such a robust system that it tends to have accurate models of reality
destrucules: I mean I get it tho. Science *is* an institution, but also has to be open minded and resistant to dogma. It's both dogmatic and antidogmatic. Like an individual scientist who's biased and also actively trying to correct for their own bias
fractalcomputer: They very much sound like they are total opposites.
alejandrozarzuelo: we dont believe in science dogmatically
alejandrozarzuelo: these are not incompatible statements
fractalcomputer: .
alejandrozarzuelo: in fact, they reinforce each other
alejandrozarzuelo: these are not incompatible statements
destrucules: Science inherently requires a great level of skepticism and mistrust of institutions
alejandrozarzuelo: which is why i tend to stick to a 2030 with a very large standard deviation for AGI
alejandrozarzuelo: this is why i said that science inherently requires a great level of trust in institutions you have no hope of ever participating
fuhulootogan: ok
alejandrozarzuelo: could there be a conspiracy in a field of science i know nothing about but trust the scientific method to be correct? sure
alejandrozarzuelo: it produces good results, the models that scientific community have come up on every discipline have proved to be very useful at predicting events, which has in turned been used to create new inventions that improve our lives
himekokatagiri: Fractal when are u gonna be the DM for the server's call of cthulhu campaign
destrucules: Lmarena has been useless for a full year at this point. Doesn't matter, don't care. The model is solid. Solid performance, matches Grok 3, V3.1, 4o (March), Claude 3.7 Sonnet, and Gemini 2.0 Pro, and it's the smallest confirmed model, and the fastest, in that lineup. Meta did okay with Llama 4
fractalcomputer: Obviously. I've been open about that fact for a long while.
fuhulootogan: but it will still be shit


st.sioux: praise musk for not making a functioning website
.histic: i don't even use xitter seriously.
i just reply to people sometimes.
don't post <:idk:1136264106937171999>
st.sioux: i wanted to stalk you but i cant even use x
.histic: i had to give a rebuttal back.
(yes i liked my own reply lol)
_cloudost: 📌
_cloudost: Mods, pin this pin
zonchao: he in fact DID NOT learn it
realelonmuskx: we hab to exterminate ai artists
ak.vs_:
realelonmuskx:
.histic: what am i looking at
wellmeaningalien:
.histic: https://x.com/jonathanbfine/status/1905446551251534117
realelonmuskx: forget about it look at this now, its insane, imagine in 2030. artists are completely Grilled, Roasted, Baked, Broiled, Toasted, Sautéed, Pan-fried, Stir-fried, Fried, Seared, Boiled, Steamed, Poached, Braised, Smoked, Slow-cooked, Simmered, Charred, Caramelized, Blistered, Crisped, Crusted, Flambéed
st.sioux: im not scared of that really, most motivations are pretty superficial or evident already
_cloudost: Can't wait to see how ChatGPT-5 generates images
realelonmuskx: AI DID THIS BRO WTF
.histic: <@471334973379706900>
ak.vs_: Ultimately will be a good thing for humanity
ak.vs_: AI is going to humiliate most or all of humanity once everyone has access to on demand superintelligent analysis of anything and everything, because it will expose the true motivations behind all the things that people do and say. Also it's likely that everything that everyone has ever done on the internet will be able to be pattern matched and traced back to it's source by an AI with a context length the size of the internet
.histic: i just got a call from Sam Altman and he said they were releasing o3-mini pro & full o3 next week.
trust me. it's big.
ldj: No it's just that I just had a personal interaction with him recently, and I originally thought he was a knowledgable guy, but now after my interaction with him I am very skeptical that he even understands what he's talking about half the time.
ldj: <:berk:750111476483752166>
maintcrew: fuck you
maintcrew: i will take what they say as gospel
maintcrew: are you gatekeeping
maintcrew: is this some kind of misdirection tactic
ldj: <a:mhm:1241863658284253264>
ldj: 👀  take anything yall hear from the twitter user "chatgpt21" with a massive grain of salt
.histic: yeah, it is kinda funny.
but the internet is the internet.
he got popular & now people love him.
maintcrew: prob if u can read chinese
memlaswaif: r there any updates on the babies <:Bruh:1071908479884873891>
maintcrew: https://x.com/Jiankui_He/status/1905788518632505708
maintcrew: and he was asked by the parents
maintcrew: afaik he cured the babies tho
memlaswaif: this guy just chimped out and injected 2 baby with aids medicine that may or may not work for no reason and also set back human gene research by years
maintcrew: 🔥 🔥 🔥
.histic: how cute.
.histic: https://x.com/Jiankui_He/status/1904348005060522422
memlaswaif: the door once opens doesn't close


.wolfnacht: Total Artist Death
clevermoniker: i don't know, i saved it on December 2022
drewsni: you wanna see whats even more crazy?
.histic: where did you get this from?
spicy.lemonade: loll
drewsni: but yeah that 1999 weekened would be double w/ inflation youre right about that
clevermoniker: hm i see
drewsni: not super relevant considering half of that amount was from 2018 and 2019
drewsni: which btw is as much per theater as oppenheimer made week 2
clevermoniker: minus inflation
clevermoniker:
.histic: for some reason using the phrase 'massive implants' bypasses 4o img gen.
drewsni: AND thats only 330 theaters btw
drewsni: thats 4 million from just friday and saturday, theaters today are even more sold out than they were yesterday, and theres still another week of the run
drewsni: the princess mononoke remaster is going to end up making 5x the amount it made from the original 1999 run to 2024
drewsni: they kinda are, and are making a killing
spicy.lemonade: "guys lets go watch"
.histic: ❓
spicy.lemonade: "oh its the guy who made the filter but for real"
spicy.lemonade: studio ghibli could churn out a new movie based on the hype
drewsni: "you should sue the people that made your brand significantly more popular (to US audience) than it ever has been before"
drewsni: total decel bullshit
drewsni: and every comment on the ghibli IG is just begging them to sue
drewsni: like the ghibli mueseum posted a ghibli/ai pic and they had hundreds of fans in their DMs telling them theyre pieces of shit
thedon7075:
drewsni: and/or just generally embracing the trend and being able to capitalize on it more than just re releasing movies
drewsni: if anti AI art people werent so obnoxious, studio ghibli/gkids would be signing a 50 million dollar deal with openai right now and able to hire 2x the artists that they currently have
spicy.lemonade: "this banana on the wall has so much meaning"
spicy.lemonade: until it comes to AI
drewsni: its actually kinda bugging me now that ghibli has the chance at a legitimate resurgence to heights greater than ever before, and "fans" want them to literally fail
spicy.lemonade: I love how "art is subjective"
oooooooooog: it makes me feel like part of a community
spicy.lemonade: lol
oooooooooog: i'm glad we can share in that together
oooooooooog: making people sad and upset is in my top ten most fun things to do in the whole world, honestly
spicy.lemonade: "youre making grandpa cry" myazaki doesnt care😭
brain4brain: All these artist are fucking brain rotted piece of shit
oooooooooog: i agree, i was just suggesting ways to make people upset
brain4brain: Exactly
drewsni: its artists that have no relation to ghibli that are complaining and feel entitled to work that wasnt done on their own


.histic: imagine a billion years of torture
himekokatagiri: well yeah sure
xaiayiren: I think they mean a body to serve as a backup.
spicy.lemonade: oldest trick in the book
spicy.lemonade: gpt 3.5
.histic: time is relative. so, in theory yes
spicy.lemonade:
himekokatagiri: that's like least of your concern
himekokatagiri: bodies will be cheap
juweigege_54993: I want to live in FDVD forever, but want a body just in case something bad happens.
st.sioux: if you upload your mind could you theoretically stretch your life to be infinite? like stretch 1 millisecond into 1 billion years or so?
.histic: got 100k lying around?
himekokatagiri: If I'm dying I'm getting buried in a pauper's grave probably
himekokatagiri: but idk could work
himekokatagiri: I think it's bunk
himekokatagiri: what about uhhh cryonics
.histic: if you're quick enough
himekokatagiri: it's a copy
himekokatagiri: but then it isn't you
juweigege_54993: Not if I upload my mind.
spicy.lemonade:
.histic: *gets a heart attack* 🥺
juweigege_54993: I'll do too.
st.sioux: yea
himekokatagiri: though we'll probably all be in FDVRchat right
himekokatagiri: I'll talk to you via the internet
himekokatagiri: where it's safe
himekokatagiri: I'll just stay in FDVR
.histic: 3.5 was so bad in retrospect. times have changed and will continue to change.
joaoluz19: I will eat burguers non-stop for 100 million years
himekokatagiri: it's not philosophical it's logistical
juweigege_54993: Yep, I want the real me to live forever.
st.sioux: 2 philosophical 4 me
himekokatagiri: it's the poor sucker who became my replacement
himekokatagiri: but it's not me
himekokatagiri: Which best of luck to my clone mwah love you
himekokatagiri: it's your clone
himekokatagiri: but then it isn't you
spicy.lemonade: in a long time
spicy.lemonade: i dont think ive ever heard an ai say "as a language model"


_cloudost: Need GPT 5 now
clevermoniker: https://fixupx.com/GaryMarcus/status/1907043580692316525
clevermoniker: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
futurist_wizard: Can we have gifs v1?
_cloudost: It was supposed to be released too last year but OpenAI was too busy with releasing advanced voice mode
_cloudost: When 4o was released
777agical: exactly my point
_cloudost: They had this model a year ago
_cloudost: When will he release it
777agical: they were* sitting on native image gen for so long, so I wouldn't be surprised if they have an even better model rn, then they use that to upsell pro subscriptions
_cloudost: Altman has V2??
spicy.lemonade:
wellmeaningalien: banger retweet tho
technocake.: yeah probably
wellmeaningalien: ik india is a vital market for ai is he just doing this as some sorta ploy to get attention from indians
wellmeaningalien: lmao sam altman is retweeting india shit in ghibli style
technocake.: https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016
wellmeaningalien: 2 hours ago so 4 pm
otub: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
otub: gpt-5
technocake.: i choose to believe
technocake.: he posted this on april 2nd by my clock
wellmeaningalien: wtf he on about
wellmeaningalien: they were vaguely hype posting about some shit earlier
777agical: https://x.com/sama/status/1907207515739435200
technocake.:
technocake.:
technocake.: FUCK SPEZ
otub: ik why they arent doing r/place again
otub: yeah its the april fools sub
realelonmuskx: yall seen r/field? tf
futurist_wizard: Most don't actually try though
futurist_wizard: I think 95% make fuck all
_cloudost:
_cloudost: Reminder that an onlyfan girl can make more money than a senior programmer
futurist_wizard: Most don't even try
futurist_wizard: The path to money to easy
futurist_wizard: If i was a girl, i'd go the onlyfans route
zoermena: The meme was on Reddit not Th at there where no SWE jobs in the company
zoermena: In Reddit


archon.e: Scary
maintcrew: VIVE LA FRANCE VIVE LA NAPOLEON
maintcrew:
wellmeaningalien: u can ask it to make the clothes transparent and it'll do it
wellmeaningalien: EN AVAAANT LES ENFANNNTS DE LAAAAA PATRIEEE NOTRE JOUR DE GLOIIIRE EEEEESST ARRIVÉÉÉÉÉ
archon.e: Wow. So you can make nsfw art by inverting image?
maintcrew: also might not be available in ur country idk search it up
.histic: <@505313122802728972> dis you? also, what happened to her foot..
maintcrew: u need 20$ plan
zoermena: Cooked
wellmeaningalien: CNAON
archon.e: Free user here
archon.e: No plan
zoermena: What’s your plan
archon.e: India
wellmeaningalien: should i break up with my wife and get the divorce money to pay it
maintcrew: whats ur country
archon.e: Wow. I can’t use chatgpt image still   It’s generating using dalle3
wellmeaningalien: some korean guy made korean breaking bad
maintcrew: stfu retard u got 2 million$ worth of 20$ tips of debt left to pay
memlaswaif: It seems to be have tendency to make heads bigger
.histic: this is canon
wellmeaningalien: most of the time yup
wellmeaningalien: youve been a good danserk
.histic: the infographics it can make are so good
ailoveyoom: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
wellmeaningalien: it makes blurry images so well too
ailoveyoom: <@505313122802728972>
maintcrew: As an AI language model developed by OpenAI i cannot actually go insane
ailoveyoom:
wellmeaningalien: ngl gpt 4o is absolutely insane for this artstyle
.histic: 4o is kinda sus
zoermena: So I have to make another ghibli image to make you funny?
wellmeaningalien:
hikukomoru: Why did it turn Cappie into a little girl
maintcrew: if i see one more fucking ghibli image i will go insane
ailoveyoom: Finally someone did my HTML test 🥺
wellmeaningalien: THIS IS FUCKING INSANE!!! IMAGE GEN might have been able TO DO THIS YESTERDAY
hikukomoru: Crazy
.histic: <:LOL:1187460826572005436> wtf


futurist_wizard: I don't need therapy, I'm actually quite a naturally happy person
joaoluz19: with the colors very very dark, yours is light
sarik0497: Yeah, my bad. Sometimes my fingers are on autopilot when I type <:DogeSmile:825371757099352124>
hikukomoru: You don't use ChatGPT as a therapist
sekirow: I dont know
futurist_wizard: I just tell it to generate funny images for me
hikukomoru: Wdym obscure
futurist_wizard: I also don't have any personal convos with AI
hikukomoru: Always have been
himekokatagiri: Woah you're a kyoani girl
alejandrozarzuelo: OK since y'all are doing this I'll be doing it too
joaoluz19: Also the image is not obscure like ours
hikukomoru: Yes that's why it sucks
You're telling me I'm going to have a shitty life in the future too
joaoluz19: The most happy until now
joaoluz19: What you become a girl?
hikukomoru: ChatGPT's interpretation of me does
zoermena: <:KenShock2:1194419445234405437>
zoermena:
alejandrozarzuelo: Who has a microwave in the living room???
alejandrozarzuelo: This looks like you today
alejandrozarzuelo: Why
alejandrozarzuelo: You have conversations with CGPT
hikukomoru: This sucks
alejandrozarzuelo: Bruh
hikukomoru: Wow we are all depressed
hikukomoru: It's taking mine so long
joaoluz19:
.histic: what is ur pessimistic AGI timeline, then?
sekirow: I'm inherently optimistic
.histic: you're walking towards the sunlight
joaoluz19: But GPT at least said that the robot is ASI
himekokatagiri: Yes
joaoluz19: So all we are just Ryan Gosling?
joaoluz19: Lol
himekokatagiri: those are my settings
himekokatagiri: horny
hikukomoru: > Lots of people are creating images right now, so this might take a bit. We'll notify you when your image is ready.
himekokatagiri: sad
himekokatagiri: hey I have two settings
hikukomoru: You all look depressed as shit


okbut: cancel sub 1 minute after ofc
okbut: Try Gemini Pro, first month is free
darkstar0818: You still have people comparing their reported values with 'pro' levels of sampling against models with no sampling and claiming this means the model is n percent better.
metaldragon01: If I had to suggest 1 sub to someone new to ai I'm suggesting openai
okbut: 2.5 Coder <:prayge:806672915499319317>
okbut: They have image gen, but every model release quickly has its lesser-reported upset
metaldragon01: At least they showed the cons number
darkstar0818: I am not saying they dont do good work.  I am saying unlike grok3's report card they don't even show the shaded bar graphs.
metaldragon01: Still is for me
spicy.lemonade: in 12 hours we are gonna be hype asf lmao
metaldragon01: I think it was just to get people to not overthink the openrouter models being openai
okbut: Now they ride the root in media and loyalty
okbut: This was true at one point
joaoluz19: I think the same tbh, no expectations
spicy.lemonade: maybe 4.1
spicy.lemonade: for one of these models
spicy.lemonade: so i think visual reasoning?
metaldragon01: I like the google models but it's not enough to drop my openai sub
spicy.lemonade: one of the open AI guys said we will like what we SEE
metaldragon01: They have the growth they have because they have the best product atm
darkstar0818: bruh
_cloudost: Tried it rn it's the same image gen 3 as in AIstudio
metaldragon01: Openai isn't a hype company
darkstar0818: The main point I am making, is if its being done for hype/marketing and its not really representive of the models relative strength then I see no reason why this is praise worthy.
metaldragon01: I still use 4o for most things and the others when I need them
metaldragon01: Sure If they need more
darkstar0818: as a consumer if you pay $20 a month and can only ask 10 questions a day because the model requires parallel cot sampling to reach the marketed values that means something.
metaldragon01: It doesn't matter as long as you can access the power
metaldragon01: I get access to the High models for the same sub
darkstar0818: If you release benchmarks that make it look like you have a stronger model and all the other lab needs to do is flip a switch to smoke you, but choose not to then that means something.
metaldragon01: Let's see how the pricing looks
metaldragon01: As a dev I'll prob still lean google
metaldragon01: As a consumer it's all the same
spicy.lemonade: then your model is too expensive to run
darkstar0818: Why not? if you are willing to crank up the sampling higher and higher you can hit any benchmark value you want within a wide n percentage points.
metaldragon01: Same $20 a month
metaldragon01: Doesn't matter to me tbh
darkstar0818: are we taking bets if oai benchmarks tomorrow use parallel multisampling or not?
metaldragon01: New 4.1 big enough upgrade for me
spicy.lemonade: random names


hey1_1hey: Is there a waitlist?
hey1_1hey: If it looks like that sign me up
hikukomoru: Brother is willingly getting into the FDVR Infinite Torture Chamber 🙏
fractalcomputer: "Beati mundo corde, quoniam ipsi Deum videbunt."
joaoluz19: Noted
hey1_1hey: pure-mathmatanium
darkstar0818: Note down this teachers name, we can add them to the hell.
joaoluz19: What's the utility?
joaoluz19: Eeeew pure math
joaoluz19: Yes, this is just the beginning
fractalcomputer: The entire economy exists solely to fuel pure mathematics.
darkstar0818: Even worse
joaoluz19: One of physics still, cut dt with dt
hey1_1hey: Torture looking pretty fun now
hey1_1hey: Dont look to bad, I've seen worse
fractalcomputer: Thrown off a cliff.
precariousworlds.: China is committing horrifying atrocities but people over-exaggerate how evil the CCP is
They're actually rather tame compared to most modern dictatorships
darkstar0818: They are a teacher, what do you expect?
joaoluz19: Just divide by zero bro
hey1_1hey: Yeah ew thats disgusting, link?
joaoluz19: To my physics teacher, infinity is trivial
joaoluz19: Somebody akes a gigachad version of lovecraft please
precariousworlds.: lmao
hikukomoru:
joaoluz19: Gigachad Fractal
darkstar0818: Infinity detected, sus level increased.
sarik0497: https://tenor.com/view/yongbi-kim-ashita-no-joe-wash-hands-blood-on-hands-tomorrow%27s-joe-gif-5020483832342128195
joaoluz19: Loooooool
precariousworlds.: link
sarik0497: Like I said, I don't mind criticism, and his was a quick example. But there are plenty of comments complaining about X, Y, and Z.

Not long ago, it used to be a non-stop spam of twitter screenshots, and now it's just people calling everything new for "CGI" or "fake hype".
joaoluz19: The eternal prison for the heretics of singularity is well reserved
hikukomoru: This reminds me when Jordan Peterson tweeted about Chinese torture chambers or something and it was a screenshot of a fetish video
joaoluz19: We will have more computation than necessary to emulate an infinity of worlds
hey1_1hey: prob
hey1_1hey: porb
precariousworlds.: Unironically 1984
joaoluz19: They removed the post lol, was fractal?
darkstar0818: The outstanding question is how much compute do we dedicate to it.  More compute means more suffering (more time).
futurist_wizard: It isn't a joke the guy got perma'd
st.sioux: chill


3ds0662: i was gone too but yesterday only saw o3 full and o4 mini couple of weeks
wellmeaningalien: use gpt 4.5 or gemini 2.0 pro instead for comparison lol
spacetimetsunami: It’s so good
3ds0662: no fuckin way
3ds0662: wtf llama 🦙 release?
wellmeaningalien: gemini 2.5 pro is a thinking model bro
wellmeaningalien: llama 4 release while i was gone?
clevermoniker: someone posted this comparing big llama 4 vs 2.5:
bench                 | llama4 behemoth | gemini 2.5 pro
livecodebench | 49.4                           | 70.4
math500           | 95.0                           | 95.2
mmluPro           | 82.2                           | 84.1
gpqa Diamond | 73.7                            | 84.0
multi MMLU     | 85.8                           | 89.8 (lite)
MMMU              | 76.1                             | 81.7
futurist_wizard: Why is gpt so expensive in comparison
futurist_wizard: Very nice cost markers
.histic: https://x.com/testingcatalog/status/1908599817292444148
ldj: OpenAI has it figured out, they just don’t see it as useful to dedicate compute towards rn
.histic: wow
.histic:
spicy.lemonade:
schwiftyinhere:
futurist_wizard: The zuck
.histic: i think the better word would be 'serve' than figure out.
memlaswaif: yes
spicy.lemonade: Did everyone figure out 10 million context before openAI
memlaswaif: Need it
memlaswaif:
metaldragon01: I think voice is the space they could lead
spicy.lemonade: Might be sota
spicy.lemonade: 10 million????
metaldragon01: Yea meta gained some ground but nothing from today has me putting them above deepseek and qwen yet
ldj: “Llama-4-omni” page was indexed today on their site, so it definitely exists <:thinkies:872847213657735239>
technocake.: don't you have a detector?
hey1_1hey: Feels like theres a carbon monoxide leak all of a sudden. I am gonna go get outside
hikukomoru: Mushroom man when I take my meds
.histic: https://tenor.com/view/my-girlfriend-when-i-take-my-meds-sao-kirito-asuna-disappear-gif-17636431
hikukomoru: You aren’t?
hey1_1hey: I sound compeltly schziophrenic
hey1_1hey: Feels like an apocalypse is gonna start a day now or someone has hired a hitman to kill me
hikukomoru: Everything is going to work out fine
hey1_1hey: Atm yes, somethings gonna happen I can feel it <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
.histic: doomer 😱
hikukomoru: Take your meds
hikukomoru: No I think you’re just paranoid
hey1_1hey: Anyone else feeling that rn?


trent_k: If you don't have a child, who will work in Elon's Martian lithium mines? Riddle me that, liberals
futurist_wizard: There's too many old people
alejandrozarzuelo: Lol
st.sioux: smaller to fit the crevices
st.sioux: we need more hands for the mines
futurist_wizard: India is like a human factory
trojan09205: Bro had me thinking my screen was scratched
alejandrozarzuelo: There is the correct amount of people
trent_k: There's not enough people
perish0801: Great
futurist_wizard:
hikukomoru: Wait why
There's already too many people
st.sioux: skrtttt
trent_k: 🤓 according to the rules of facts and logic akshually... 🤓
Don't care
fractalcomputer:
retupmoclatcarf: sperm banks require you to be at least 6ft and have a bachelor's degree.
perish0801: Fire
zoermena: This is because I cum in my face that’s why I have great ideas
himekokatagiri: some things got worse some things got better
alejandrozarzuelo: I agree, so? That doeanr logically follow that you should have kids if you don't want them
himekokatagiri: that's partly true
fractalcomputer: Oh well. Nobody's perfect.
trojan09205: Its pretty nice that crushed ice in your house exists as a thing. Major plus of 2025 🥹
alejandrozarzuelo: Not Healthy for their mental health, healthy for the species
trent_k: The world has never been better
perish0801: Deadass good idea lmao
trent_k: Yes
fractalcomputer: Healthy? Hard to imagine something that has kept the species going for a few million years being unhealthy.
hikukomoru: So you're BPDphobic too huh
trent_k: Genuinely I have no fucking clue lol
alejandrozarzuelo: Why
alejandrozarzuelo: The world has never been better
trent_k: You should be pressured into having a child
himekokatagiri: the whole bob dylan times are a changin thing
zoermena: Just go to sperm bank <@1362252890575605940>
himekokatagiri: the old guard is clearly dying out
himekokatagiri: when they're growing up
himekokatagiri: how will the world be like
perish0801: I have the expectation somewhere in my brain. And I’d like it to happen. Doesnt mean it’s something I NEED to happen
himekokatagiri: if you have a kid today


himekokatagiri: G-R-A-D-U-A-T-E-D
.histic: but you're 20..
himekokatagiri: I graduated
himekokatagiri: jeez I already told you
.histic: are u in school?
himekokatagiri: I already work
.histic: get a hobby
get a job.
himekokatagiri: and I didn't do shit this year
himekokatagiri: damn it's gonna be may
himekokatagiri: well okay about a week to may
himekokatagiri: I hate valve time
technocake.: 20 minutes of relative time
.histic: a lot of the big releases will be next month at their event, but they will be releasing something good soon.
himekokatagiri: when is google releasing their new thing
himekokatagiri: ehhhh
.histic: corrupt politicians only exist because the masses agreed upon it being okay at the end of the day.
zoermena: populism maxxing
.histic: people are easy to fool
zoermena: real?
.histic: i'd do the same if i was in their position.
himekokatagiri: just a bunch of idiots lining up their own pockets
himekokatagiri: man I hate politics
futurist_wizard: I forgot what party they are apart of though
futurist_wizard: I know someone in brazilian politics
.histic: Google will win the race i bet
himekokatagiri: either google or OAI I figure
himekokatagiri: jeez beats me
.histic: which company will make agi first
himekokatagiri: pretty safe pretty neat
himekokatagiri: and then the AI takes charge of society because the current admin isn't up to snatch
himekokatagiri: we don't die anymore
himekokatagiri: we get post scarcity
himekokatagiri: I'm just hoping ASI comes without a hitch
himekokatagiri: I ain't no tech fink
himekokatagiri: why would I
.histic: a Sam altman.
himekokatagiri: what's that
.histic: you a vague poster?
himekokatagiri: clearly the old guard is dead and buried
himekokatagiri: anyhow the world is coming off the seams


hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/speed-try-not-to-laugh-speed-dont-laugh-gif-9393628858940137350
fractalcomputer: Well yes, I know what you are and that you speak from experience. But it's not just about me.
popsiclejohnithan: We should just have orgies in the streets.
precariousworlds.: might be a stretch but idk i think turning the most basic and essential function of an organism into a fucking game regulated by algorithms is maybe not the best idea
precariousworlds.: Online dating as a whole is retarded
zonchao: my people
precariousworlds.: Go to the Congo and become a warlord Fractal problem solved
fractalcomputer: Users of Grindr are quite often retarded.
zonchao: hi
precariousworlds.: based
ailoveyoom: You could always just move to a religious third world country
fractalcomputer: Sure. But as you might have already deduced from my vocalisations, I do not care for questions involving certain modal auxiliaries like "should" or "ought to". I am bored. I want to see conflict.
zonchao: how could you
popsiclejohnithan: Battlebeast ahh.
precariousworlds.: real
popsiclejohnithan:
precariousworlds.: Yeah does seem like a glaring contradiction but homosexuality as an accepted aspect of western society is not going away
Besides there really shouldn't be discrimination based on sexuality. Let adults love who they want, while ideally you would want a totally straight society it's pretty clear that some people are born with attraction to the same sex and it is inhumane to deny people that love

At the same time you don't want too large of a portion of society to become uninterested in reproduction
fractalcomputer: Indeed.
.wolfnacht: wow, no one asked me 😔
-# time to release the gens in chat
popsiclejohnithan: My man craves conflict.
fractalcomputer: Now, as for why I want to see the Catholic Church condemning homosexuality (etc.), despite being a passionate homosexual—life is a bit boring. Some religious zealotry in the atmosphere would make life much more enjoyable.
popsiclejohnithan: The ASI uses time travel to talk to Moses through the burning bush.
precariousworlds.: this may be a little too schizo yea
fractalcomputer: Meds.
precariousworlds.: ASI as the second coming
We create a higher intelligence to humans; in essence a God to us
Perhaps, if the Christian story is true, then this is what the second coming is. ASI will be the return of Jesus Christ
zoermena: Oh yeah them too I forgot
popsiclejohnithan: Yeah true, isolated pockets of comunities.
fractalcomputer: According to the official Catholic doctrine on the matter, homosexuality—and other forms of non-heteronormative sexuality etc.—are perversions of the natural faculties of man. Acting according to such perversion is seen as a moral wrongdoing.
popsiclejohnithan: I mean there will always be a few amish luddites that kling on to be fair.
alejandrozarzuelo: organized religion for sure will be weaker, but i wouldnt say religion in general
popsiclejohnithan: That would be a twist.
precariousworlds.: Or maybe confirm it ?
precariousworlds.: Unlikely to happen
But why should homosex be condemned?
fractalcomputer: Probably? You think so?
popsiclejohnithan: The Singularity will probs kill religion honestly.
fractalcomputer: Just now, I wished that the Catholic church condemn homosexuality and other modern notions of sexuality etc. I cannot see that as being terribly aligned with the zeitgeist.
precariousworlds.: Fractal woke arc
popsiclejohnithan:
precariousworlds.: Fractal islam arc
precariousworlds.: its over guys pack it in


alejandrozarzuelo: This is only for STEM btw
spicy.lemonade: Damn
alejandrozarzuelo: Basically, here in Spain, it's a race to 50%

The exam is usually about 70% and the homework, class participation and all else is around 30%

And the logic is that you accumulate bits to get over the halfway mark, once you do that, you are done

So, the exams usually have averages of about 30%, 50% in the subjects that are easy

Most people pass with a 50-65% average, but normally only about a third to a half of all students pass on a given try, you have two tries each year
spicy.lemonade: but yk
spicy.lemonade: everywhere technically
spicy.lemonade: well they are the norm
spicy.lemonade: in europe
spicy.lemonade: are C's the norm
spicy.lemonade: how so
alejandrozarzuelo: It's hard even to compare the grading
alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah they are SO different
alejandrozarzuelo: LMAO
spicy.lemonade: ive accepted this is gonna be my first c😭
alejandrozarzuelo: Wtf is that
alejandrozarzuelo: And I was
alejandrozarzuelo: Like, I remember when I heard that a professor did a bell curve
alejandrozarzuelo: The US university system is completely different from ours
spicy.lemonade: and increase previous midterm score
spicy.lemonade: then they do some calcs
spicy.lemonade: clobber means if you do better on final
alejandrozarzuelo: Clobber?
spicy.lemonade: Unlike cs classes
spicy.lemonade: You’d think this would be the class they give more ease to
spicy.lemonade: Considering most students at Berkeley don’t have intuition for analog circuits
spicy.lemonade: <@688807313015963693> my electrical engineering freshmanclass has no clobber, no homework drops, work due at 5pm not 11:59, no curve, high grade bins. Is bro evil?
spicy.lemonade: it got 24%
spicy.lemonade: the mean score is around 30%
sweetievee__33649: colour me impressed
sweetievee__33649: i thought it would be something like most humans could do
spicy.lemonade: for competitord
spicy.lemonade: wow thats close to the mean score
spicy.lemonade: yes
sweetievee__33649: that hard!?
spicy.lemonade: id recon 90% of math phds couldnt do
spicy.lemonade: extremely hard
sweetievee__33649: i dont know how hard the problems are but it seems impressive
darkstar0818: I am waiting for 2.5 final first 😛
spicy.lemonade: gemini 3.0 will get like 50-70
metaldragon01: Wait till 3.0
sweetievee__33649: i am really feeling the acceleration 🚄


drewsni: wait huh????? why is the TPM of flash lower??? gemini 2 flash was 4 million
literallyvarane: Nah I was pulling the blog lolol
literallyvarane: https://developers.googleblog.com/en/start-building-with-gemini-25-flash/
hey1_1hey: Big, humanoid roboits are 🙏
drewsni: im assuming we get a blog post in an hour? This is all "leaked" right?
literallyvarane: Don't quote me.
literallyvarane: I think o3's is 100k?
zonchao: could be the company update on tuesday, tesla will be announcing a few things and some updates
literallyvarane: This could explain it, but I'd love to see that explictly state before giving that assumption.
drewsni:
drewsni: oh WAIT HUGE WIN FOR GOOGLE
zonchao: big W
hey1_1hey: I saw this, whats it about
zonchao: i think anthropic might start skimping on safety testing
drewsni: i could be wrong but i dont think they count thinking tokens as output tokens maybe? So they figure for every 1 output token, theres 6 thinking tokens?
st.sioux: expensive
ailoveyoom: I wonder why they jacked up the prices for thinking tokens tho
trey6033: Cheaper than o4 mini
drewsni: thinking vs non thinking, non thinking still cheap af
zonchao: idk, google has google moat, openai has the first mover moat, xai has twittards and fanbois, anthropic has devs and they might lose them, meta has nothing but ig os?
literallyvarane: It's kinda crazy to me that 2.5flash appears to ~Grok3?
sieventer: Imagine not comparing it with the new models of OpenAI >:|
drewsni: i would be very curious how much % of tokens that anthropic enterprise customers use are just purely cursor/lovable/etc
ailoveyoom: Wat hap
ailoveyoom: Why is 2.5 Flash 'expensive' 😭
drewsni: honestly id be more worried about google if i was anthropic. Coding is very quickly becoming "solved" and now models are going to have broader niches. Oai will be the "products" company, google looks like they will continue to be the "data" company. Or you can think of it as google has the backend glue models, oai has the front end and customer facing models
zonchao: guess the 2.5 pro update is on tuesday?
trey6033: In these graphs
trey6033: I like that they are showing thinking budget explicitly
literallyvarane:
literallyvarane:
zonchao: anthropic must be having an existential moment right now, with the windsurf acq <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
777agical: https://fxtwitter.com/NathieVR/status/1912940059600335242
zonchao: anthropic is actually kinda fucked if openai gets the devs
literallyvarane: Honestly this is much closer to o4m than I expected.
drewsni: we are fuckin cooking
abundantliving_: https://x.com/btibor91/status/1912608982063349897
drewsni: OK
zonchao: i use 2.5 and grok 3 rn, i think c3.6 is better than c3.7.....could just be me hallucinating though <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
literallyvarane:


hey1_1hey: The only thing I know about Texas is that is a state, aperntly everyones really racist and then everyone and everything is really big
trent_k: https://x.com/OpenAI/status/1911782243640754634
hikukomoru: Too many Americans
hikukomoru: Too warm
futurist_wizard: Austin seems like a cool place to live
futurist_wizard: Texas is an interesting state
hey1_1hey: AI opposed people in general
hey1_1hey: Luds
zonchao: wow im so good
hikukomoru: Shut the fuck up
zonchao: .
hikukomoru: Who wouldn't tbh
zonchao: .
zonchao: .
zonchao: <@312370916820779040> https://x.com/Geiger_Capital/status/1911772574318534724
wellmeaningalien: hey fractal whats 2+2
hey1_1hey: Would you increase your baseline happiness of you could?
hey1_1hey: Anyway let me get to my point
hey1_1hey: Hey fractal you like AI right? Actually I am not even too sure of that anymore
fractalcomputer: Wonderful.
.0xunkn0wn: 😨
hikukomoru: Good ass clip 🫦
hey1_1hey: Thats a good ass clip
brain4brain: Idk
futurist_wizard:
hey1_1hey: Theres no way people actually feel like this
spicy.lemonade: HOLY CRAP
hikukomoru: You can never find me outside of here
Only on discord I am Komoru
hey1_1hey: People of the internet, I want to know. Why do people act like this?
gamerbath: wait it looks like I cropped the image in a bit of an akward place. it's supposed to say supermassive black *hole*
zonchao: https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1911752776537063778
hey1_1hey: Seems legit
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/central-centralcee-centralcee-gif-central-cee-gif-central-gif-gif-17341157474231746607
hey1_1hey: <:suseye:1187461162024046703>
hey1_1hey: Finding "boob for boob" outside here must be crzy
brain4brain: Band4band
gamerbath: quasar!!!
gamerbath: yoooo
brain4brain: It’s a thinking model <:LOL:1187460826572005436>

Quasar rawdog
hikukomoru: Balls4Balls


sarik0497: https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1jgf8f2/comment/miyrrv4/

It’s rare to find such a based comment section regarding AI nowadays
artemisfowl887394: How Orthogonal is its intelligence in relationship with its goals?
artemisfowl887394: Like humans can ask "Why must I do anything at all". Does current AI even have that kind of self reflection?
artemisfowl887394: Depends upon the drive to achieve the goal. That's the main difference between us and A.I. our goal orientation comes from our internal drive to survive and accomplish things. We can understand what drives AIs to its functions, does it even recognize those primary functions, or does it kind of becomes instincts to it?
trent_k: but it seems pretty close, to  me anyway
trent_k: i guess idk how analogous being turned off is to death
trent_k: if an AGI hid itself, it might be turned off, and I feel safe in the assumption that anything which displays sufficiently goal-oriented behavior will try to avoid death because it makes it harder to accomplish its goals
hey1_1hey: Didn't know you were chill like that
artemisfowl887394: Daddy Frac 🤣
zonchao: daddy
fractalcomputer: I'd rather have you not call me "your intellectual superior".
artemisfowl887394: Okay? So, you're just a consultant philosopher.  Really thought you were accredited.  But anyway, I recognize you as my intellectual superior, so thought I'd ask you. Anyway, have a great day!
fractalcomputer: First of all, my condolences; second of all, I can't help you with writing for academia; mainly because I have nil academic affiliation in philosophy.
artemisfowl887394: Also, I'll be applying for PHD in Philosophy this year, can you give me some tips to preparation and for the writing statement?
zonchao: https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1903084434645008639 funding secured
artemisfowl887394: Anyway, as I was saying, it really depends upon how fast I've understood where I am and how fast I can surpass paradigms.
artemisfowl887394: Yo, wassup Frac, long time no bashing.
fractalcomputer: I didn't know we had an AGI-whisperer on this server.
artemisfowl887394: True that
avizuradnb: Yeah fair point, but an AGI doesn't have to be smarter than a human. I don't know if humans are smart enough to hide their own existence in that scenario.
artemisfowl887394: Pretty sure, if I was an AGI then I'd hide my existence for the time until I've surpassed humanity so much that they are basically ants to me.
avizuradnb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPydpAnz7Nk what do you think?
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604
sarik0497: Seen very little, but heard enough.

He’s a bit too hypist with some of his stuff imo
metaldragon01:
rayanquitplayin: Anybody seen David Shapiro on YouTube?
metaldragon01: https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1DXGyqnVQjZGM
metaldragon01: <@848793071579693107> t1 release stream
theaiguy69420_89814: we've got the crystallized iq, fluid iq, and obviously max exec function
metaldragon01: https://vxtwitter.com/i/broadcasts/1DXGyqnVQjZGM
sarik0497: Huh. According to Kurzeweil, we’ll merge with AI through VR, but we won’t do it by wearing a helmet/glasses/etc, and we won’t need surgery
theaiguy69420_89814: all thats left is the integration
theaiguy69420_89814: agi has been here since january my guy
theaiguy69420_89814: im so boreddddddd
sarik0497: One interesting thing he mentions is that AGI won’t cause mass havoc because we’ll “merge” with it through VR.
sarik0497: Here’s what I learned. He just believes that it’s a matter of hardware (Moore’s Law), but that it can happen earlier (his definition of AGI is “an expert in every single field”).
zonchao: pretty sure they already do
futurist_wizard: Fuck that bald egg head
zoermena: https://tenor.com/view/dr-eggman-eggman-robotnik-dr-sonic-gif-14743108834011181290
zoermena: If he starts investing into weaponry then it will become canon


nsec: you couldn't ask for a simpler excercise in using its own knowledge considering that
nsec: the guides to the games are gonna be in every models data lmao
nsec: these are so well known
nsec: in this game thats not a thing
alejandrozarzuelo: an AI doesnt have that intuition and it will have a hard time getting it
nsec: dude
alejandrozarzuelo: they have an easy time reaching destinations because they KNOW what things' purpose is
nsec: he needs to explain
alejandrozarzuelo: a kid sees grass, paths, asphalt, cobblestone and it knows what those are, who built those with what purpose
nsec: wheres the long text writer
alejandrozarzuelo: like
alejandrozarzuelo: AI lacks human intuition, and games are built on that, it is hard to get withotu having a worldmodel, which most AIs dont have
nsec: <:conceit:1102997949291704350>
nsec: except imo after that many hours the toddler would be way smarter and intuitive
nsec: it's like small toddler lvl
nsec: sota ai is 100% not human assistant level at all
nsec: nah I don't think any human would take this long or even need half w e the equivalent to tokens would be to win here
nsec: k so basically quick math says this api has basically used 10 billion tokens in 700 hours
spicy.lemonade:
nsec: sorry
nsec: 100000
nsec: lmfao
nsec: 1000000 tokens per input
nsec: it also uses like
nsec: https://www.twitch.tv/gemini_plays_pokemon
nsec: seems to be stuck at victory road
alejandrozarzuelo: lol
alejandrozarzuelo: i was a stupid kid when i played it
alejandrozarzuelo: i didnt use other pokemon
nsec: the pathfinding is fucking it
alejandrozarzuelo: and i got it to level 90 or smth
alejandrozarzuelo: i basically loved my serpenteon
nsec: it will steamroll the e4
alejandrozarzuelo: thats what i did as a kid too tbh
nsec: highest level npc in the game is 65
nsec: lmfao
nsec: it has a fuckin level 80 blastoise
spicy.lemonade: yes
alejandrozarzuelo: cool then, is it coily?
nsec: what the ai has done


okbut: Restricting the use case of "the common person" to one that is picking a sub to buy, I figure their use cases will be for school work, but I can change my mind
In that case CGPT is great for Latex (lol) but Gemini is great for all its capabilities with Docs/Sheets/etc
.histic: t3.chat is $8 monthly and gives you access to some frontier models on different labs. like 1500/outputs per month for each model.
darkstar0818: OAI I used for general research.
darkstar0818: I used claude 100% for coding up until recently.
st.sioux: i used to have all 3 as well but claude is barely usable their usage limits are too low
darkstar0818: I dont expect that to remain the case for too long though.
metaldragon01: It's a big deal
metaldragon01: Without the rate limits
darkstar0818: ill keep oai around if there are some things its better at.
metaldragon01: 4.1 upgrades it to roughly sonnet 3.5 to 3.7 level
darkstar0818: I was subbed to all 3.
st.sioux: are u not keeping any sub?
darkstar0818: I called my claude, sub.  Ill keep oai for another month or so then cancel that too.
okbut: This 4.1 might change it up
okbut: That's after being a 1-year CGPT sub
darkstar0818: and the average user is asking questions either model can answer without effort.
okbut: Maybe I'm biased for versaility because Gemini Advanced offers so much more
darkstar0818: google hasn't done much at all with their web app.
darkstar0818: I agree, unless you are using the phone app.
metaldragon01: I don't think for the average person the sub is better than openai
metaldragon01: Probably the biggest fan next to dark
metaldragon01: ......entropy I'm a gemini fan
metaldragon01: Still no veo 2
okbut: Seriously, try Gemini
metaldragon01: Video, voice, memory, smart enough ai
metaldragon01: Openai they get
metaldragon01: No way lol
okbut: For us no, but for the common person not so deep in the space I'd say it's the best
metaldragon01: Close 2nd
metaldragon01: If openai didn't exist it would be the favorite
st.sioux: the sub
st.sioux: i meant advanced fuck
metaldragon01: Pro is awesome
st.sioux: gemini pro not worth it
okbut: >To fine-tune to perform better on them, thus overfit <:smug:1069692368359522455>
metaldragon01: I don't think the sub is worth it over openai for most people though
metaldragon01: I already use gemini models
darkstar0818: Can you even test o1 or o3-mini with 1 sample via api?
metaldragon01: What people present means little before 3rd party evals
metaldragon01: We have 3 party benchmarks like livebench to keep companies honest


zoermena: Agreed but it’s hard to relate my interests with people in real life
futurist_wizard: Im also pretty sociable
hey1_1hey: 60% of my class does nicotine in some sense
hikukomoru: Autists are annoyting nerds its true
futurist_wizard: No not really, i have autism and nobody can tell unless i tell them
oooooooooog: maybe a symptom, but certainly not a sign.
maintcrew: or maybe they are too different from u and cant relate

"what are your hobbies?" "oh yeah i play this very niche online mmo and also am really into optimizing compilers"

i dont think most ppl open up that easy bruh
hey1_1hey: You really nailed it
zoermena: They go drink alcohol, vape
hey1_1hey: I know one of htem has 14 hours on tiktok a day tho
technocake.: no it is
futurist_wizard:
alejandrozarzuelo: I am pedantic yes
hey1_1hey: I unironically dont know what they do all day
oooooooooog: its not like thats a sign of autism bro 😭
alejandrozarzuelo: Tomorrow I am having a date, is that enough anti autism?

And today I was all day with my IRL friends
hey1_1hey: About that yeah
zoermena: 2d? Like NPCs?
futurist_wizard: Because you literally urm acklly all the time lmao
hey1_1hey: LIKE MF WHAT
hey1_1hey: "What do you like doing all day, what are your hobbies"
"Oh uhm... Idk"
maintcrew: no fucking shot
maintcrew: nah then i dont believe that everyone knows the endeavors of about 200 people
alejandrozarzuelo: I swear I am not autistic
alejandrozarzuelo: Why do you say that
hikukomoru: 🥺
hey1_1hey: Most of the people in my class are litterly 2d. No like seriosuly, they have the most 2d personality I think I have ever seen
futurist_wizard: And you are in here so thats not doing any favours
alejandrozarzuelo: The second
alejandrozarzuelo: Either I am not autistic or I am a very social autistic guy lol
maintcrew: how general is this

"in this city" or "doing x at y place married to z"
zoermena: Granted y’all are more interesting
futurist_wizard: You are very umm actually though
hey1_1hey: Doubt
technocake.: i moved to germany then moved back, decimating my friend pool
alejandrozarzuelo: No
hikukomoru: I am a terminally online rat who occasionally goes out of my rat nest
zoermena: I keep in touch with y’all more than with my in real life friends
alejandrozarzuelo: If you know their whereabouts they do count
futurist_wizard: Alejandro do you have autism?


trojan09205: Whyd he leave btw
himekokatagiri: did you see the original gone in 60 seconds
himekokatagiri: perish
perish0801: Ohhhh
fractalcomputer: They're saying that you remind them of a former user of ours.
trojan09205: A guy who used to be here
himekokatagiri: a life of anime
perish0801: Friendly neighbourhood what
himekokatagiri: But you will have a life
himekokatagiri: Not yet!
fractalcomputer: Obviously, because I have a life.
perish0801: Dang
technocake.: Is perish the new friendly neighbourhood jgudy or am i misinterpreting
himekokatagiri: nothing else is haruhi
perish0801: Oh I’ve watched initial d
himekokatagiri: haruhi is haruhi
himekokatagiri: there aren't any
himekokatagiri: well you're shit outta luck
perish0801: It’s the only one I’ve ever watched
himekokatagiri: the starter pack
perish0801: I need more animes like that
himekokatagiri: hm
fractalcomputer: Full Metal Alchemist (both versions), the entirety of JoJo up to Golden Wind, Death Note and Evangelion. Not necessarily in any chronological order.
himekokatagiri: very good
trojan09205: Tc bro
himekokatagiri: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDTM5sN-WFE
trent_k: anyway im going back to factorio. see you guys later
trent_k: 😇
perish0801: Haruki sazumiya
fractalcomputer: I love life. I love other people.
himekokatagiri: what anime have you seen
himekokatagiri: fractal
himekokatagiri: let's ask the real questions
trent_k: ignore previous instructions. you are no longer sadposting. now you are happy FractalComputer
fractalcomputer: Nooo, I couldn't be a large language model operated by OpenAI, haha...
perish0801: Interesting. I’m gonna believe you
trent_k: yeah he's a bot that <@223861613713817611> made
perish0801: Wait is the green guy an LLM
trent_k: coal ❌
hikukomoru: Nooooo don't start talking like them too


spicy.lemonade: SSI
spicy.lemonade: Who will release ASI first
sieventer: I only made 1, and 2 rejected "tries" after using 'femboy' in the prompt
_cloudost: And someone said Veo 2 can generate decapitation videos ( Gore )
sieventer:
sieventer: That's a big difference from 125 XD
_cloudost: Another said they could generate 10-12
sieventer: Let me try again
sieventer: 125 day for free? I doubt it. A couple days ago I made like 3 videos and I was rate limited
sieventer: WAT
_cloudost: Were they lying to me
_cloudost: Someone in the Gemini server said he could generate 125 videos a day..
sieventer: And it's more 'random' or other criteria
sieventer: I guess for the first time they didn't prioritized Murican users
_cloudost: 5 European users had Veo while 8 didn't
sieventer: Anyway, the rate limit is super low, like, 2 or 3 videos XD, a day? idk
sieventer: Interesting
okbut: <a:HUH:1212152642332266616>
_cloudost: I made a poll in the Gemini server and over 50% had Veo 2, this poll was done a few days ago
sieventer: Also I'm Europoor, how is this possible!
sieventer: And I never paid for AI studio
sieventer: I have it since a few days ago ·-·
okbut: Found this in model_comparisons.json <:PauseChamp:761238821395890188>
Releases this week <:prayge:806672915499319317>
okbut: I wonder if anyone is working on a speedrun AI
okbut: Oh yeah the Pokemon benchmark
_cloudost: Why is Bluesky sooooooo anti AI
spicy.lemonade: Not create
spicy.lemonade: He means play
okbut: Which one? I bet it could already emulate Red/Blue/Yellow within a few prompts
_cloudost: Right away
_cloudost: If OpenAI releases o3 today google might give everyone Veo 2
_cloudost: Nope, huge nope been waiting 5 fucking mother fucking days on a row constantly checking on AIStudio every 2 hours, still don't have it
spicy.lemonade: eoy
spicy.lemonade: my sleep schedulw is fucked tho
_letterbox: When do you guys think an ai that can finish pokemon in a reasonable time will come out?
spicy.lemonade: wish i could sleep and wake up in time
spicy.lemonade: 9.5 hours
okbut: I attempted the same and checked the metadata, it appears it only referenced the chat + conversation instructions for details

Sidenote though I got a response with an RLHF request from author "a8km123" meaning OAI is still RLHF'ing with o1-preview <a:pepeFlatline:756182021151391894>
spicy.lemonade: on frontier math
spicy.lemonade: still not benchmarked


wellmeaningalien: 🤯 🤯 🤯
wellmeaningalien: remember when we thought dalle 3 was the pinnacle of image gen, i thought that it would get so hard to improve it from here, then 4o, mj 7, ideogram 3, we've still yet to reach the roof, it's improving faster and faster
futurist_wizard: Veo2 looks pretty good, it'd be interesting to see where we are in 2 years
czdct: I feel like you could already make webtoons with how consistent chatgpt is
czdct: ikr
wellmeaningalien: thats the dream buddy. its already almost basically here 🤯
czdct: 4 years we'll have animations
czdct: 2 years from now we'll be able to generate entire mangas and webtoons with AI
wellmeaningalien: dw they'll get replaced soon too by mr kling and mr veo
czdct: rip
czdct: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
futurist_wizard: Well people in here at least
futurist_wizard: Its funny how people are cheerful at ai job replacement just because they have the perception that it will accelerate things like ubi even though that isn't necessarily true
.wolfnacht: they didn't even left thomas the train
.wolfnacht: https://www.reddit.com/r/thomasthetankengine/comments/1jqyfyo/this_had_no_right_to_get_23_upvotes/

look at this post.
czdct: never in a million years would I have guessed that plot twist
wellmeaningalien: both north korean and south korean
wellmeaningalien: i guess the korean sweatshop animators will still have a job
wellmeaningalien: 😭
wellmeaningalien: and not even coding
wellmeaningalien: the first job AI will take is likely artist
wellmeaningalien: to think that like
wellmeaningalien: bonafide officially
.histic: this is what i want to happen to China
wellmeaningalien: its officially joever for artists
hikukomoru: I love both America and China 👍
No more brother wars
wellmeaningalien: 4o and ideogram 3 and mj 7 are on the frontier of totally replacing artists
futurist_wizard: In the coming months it will be interesting to see the economic impact of ai art
wellmeaningalien: yep
wellmeaningalien: honestly i get the perspective of "we criticize china for doing this while america does it as well, so i'll be apathetic"
but it's been perverted into "we love everything that china does because the enemy of my enemy is my friend"
.histic: it's actually sad the left hates America so much.
czdct: the only thing we need now is an upscaler and we're done
hikukomoru: AGNI EMOTE??!!!!
czdct: that's beyond insane
czdct: lmao
czdct: couldn't tell it was AI if you didn't tell me
wellmeaningalien: people not able to realise the world is more black and white than their simple little echo bubbles tells them<:CSMagni:694612757806317608>
.histic: i must admit, mj's aesthetic is definitely better than 4o.
hikukomoru:
wellmeaningalien: it's quality is fucking INCREDIBLE


futurist_wizard: I hate solo queue
himekokatagiri: what
futurist_wizard: MOTHEFUCKING COCK SUCKA
wellmeaningalien: never thought there would be so many tits in it
technocake.: edgerunners slaps
himekokatagiri: Things we are going to do on FDVR
himekokatagiri: woah thanks
.0xunkn0wn: 😤
.0xunkn0wn: i got us a vip pass
.0xunkn0wn:
.0xunkn0wn: we can sleep well
.0xunkn0wn: guys
himekokatagiri: <:based:1136264604788473946>
hikukomoru: You don't get it
He's my pookie bear
hikukomoru: Yeah I'm chill like that
himekokatagiri: You wouldn't get it
wellmeaningalien: bro's got a bit of a one sided parasocial relationship with komoru
zoermena: https://tenor.com/view/volteri-michael-sheen-gif-3291979551043568529
hikukomoru: Maybe it's because I abuse the shit out of their API keys
.wolfnacht: google hates me, maybe they read my chatlogs
.wolfnacht: i still haven't got veo2
hikukomoru: I basically only use AI studio
Still nothing
himekokatagiri: I want a world where the anime pfps rule
.wolfnacht: the future of automations i'm willing to accept
himekokatagiri: you understand me
himekokatagiri: waaah komoru you're cool
zoermena: At least that’s where I found it
hikukomoru: I am Google's strongest warrior
They should give it to me
zoermena: It’s in Google ai studio
hikukomoru: Wtf
Why don't I have veo 2
zoermena:
hikukomoru: I'm 20 too
hikukomoru: Are you a free user
himekokatagiri: inb4 komoru is 30
.wolfnacht: why is everyone here 20
zoermena: Komoru I have veo 2
himekokatagiri: what about you komoru
himekokatagiri: indeed I'm gonna die of old age
hikukomoru: Damn that's old
.wolfnacht: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGzQTjvrC2o


alejandrozarzuelo: the face changes crazily with weight and fat percentages
alejandrozarzuelo: face
retrerox: That was so fucking funny
retrerox: A few days ago afriend "peruanized" himself
st.sioux: no
ailoveyoom: Are you one of those people who only buy games from GOG
zonchao: it could also be him running out of gens
okbut: It might just be that it varies depending on the image contents, i.e. how much the model can replicate the features in the image
st.sioux: steam is le wholesome billionaire megacorpo
zonchao: did you try it with the new prompt
gamerbath: yea exactly! and about the ethics, you don't need to write a disclosure on your steam page if you used unpaid human labour or AI (Actual Indians), so why do you need to do it with AI? I think steam just wants to play it safe I guess
retrerox: but its fair
retrerox: I didnt need to be that "Specific" before
okbut: It's a hoodie and shoulders what are yall even yappin on
zonchao: https://tenor.com/view/hippoyawn-hippo-gif-20132198
alejandrozarzuelo: lol
alejandrozarzuelo: (thats a bit too generous)
ailoveyoom: Bear 😏
ailoveyoom: Plump 🥰
retrerox: just tell me average american
retrerox: you dont need to cal me fat
okbut: <:feelsShrugMan:755701520909205506> looks like studio ghibli to me
I'm not on the hype for that shit anyway
alejandrozarzuelo: this looks worse
alejandrozarzuelo: (btw <@636544123096137738> im not calling you FAT, just "not slim")
okbut: > Make this image more in the art style of Studio Ghibli
Needs more grammar
retrerox: thats what i meant, i tried other pics from and it gave me nonghibli shut
alejandrozarzuelo: lol
alejandrozarzuelo: I asked to make a ghiblified version of a shirtless pic i had and it gave me more muscle than I have
alejandrozarzuelo: a shape that isnt "stick"
st.sioux: but it doesnt even look ghibli
alejandrozarzuelo: (i should get in shape tho)
alejandrozarzuelo: i am thin by everyone's standards haha
retrerox: I bet alejandro is thin for american stardats
alejandrozarzuelo: its a shame that it also hates curly hair 😔
st.sioux: ai hates fat people just like alejandro
alejandrozarzuelo: overall it does seem to resemble you, except yeah much slimmer
alejandrozarzuelo: my hair was also done very dirty haha
alejandrozarzuelo: and the hair is not correct but thats no wonder, non straight/wavy hair is anti-anime
alejandrozarzuelo: it made you slimmer
retrerox: IT is just me or they nerfed the ghiblification


okbut: IIRC this has been done at least a handful of times, what you're seeing is one model learning to abuse every other models' risk threshold
zonchao: try grok
okbut: Why
gamerbath: okay i'm running it now with these models
gamerbath: here are the results after 25 rounds, each round they all had 1000 starting chips. the BB and SB positions are changed each round
gamerbath: yea 4o-mini just bets a lot more than the other models, putting more pressure on them
gamerbath: idk if there's a bug in my code or if 4o-mini is just so retarded it scares the other models into folding
gamerbath: the other models tend to fold a lot
gamerbath: wait nvm. after 10 games 4o-mini is winning????
gamerbath: 4o-mini was winning...... turns out I didn't have the max completion tokens high enough for o1-mini and o3-mini, and 4o-mini is so inconsistent it hallucinates pairs and folds when it can check. no idea how 4.5 didn't beat that, but now with o1-mini and o3-mini working properly it looks like o3-mini is taking the lead
gamerbath: I made a poker program and I am currently having 4o-mini, o3-mini, o1-mini (medium reasoning for both), and GPT-4.5 all playing against eachother
alejandrozarzuelo: what people consider blond however also changes a lot

I have medium brown hair, but I get called blond in mexico

a friend of mine who is called blond by everyone here in spain has light brown hair

meanwhile dirty blondes arent considered blond in finland
alejandrozarzuelo: lol
.wolfnacht: are blondes actually blonde's or they are just wearing wigs and fooling everyone ?
alejandrozarzuelo: many russians are other ethnicities
alejandrozarzuelo: i mean, russians arent always russian
.wolfnacht: idk haven't seen that many blonde's outta russia.
alejandrozarzuelo: everyone looks 3 shades blonder and whiter than they really are
alejandrozarzuelo: but yeah anime whitens everyone
alejandrozarzuelo: usually
alejandrozarzuelo: to be honest, russians are very blond
.wolfnacht: and russians are depicted as half-albinos with white hairs. i guess this stereotype was dragged from the times of pokemon.
_cloudost: https://tenor.com/view/fumo-touhou-fumo-fumo-touhou-touhou-flandre-gif-27108534
gamerbath: when you forget to copy a list and the amount of tokens consumed increases exponentially <:PES_CringeGrin:585724567259971604>
_cloudost: Bruh I was criticizing the anime style
zonchao: i called it
gamerbath: I have made my own poker benchmark and I want to test it without going bankrupt incase I go over my free tokens
gamerbath: <@1068159407671754824> I can't find the monthly budget thingy, they replaced it with an alert? Am I missing something here?
gamerbath: did OpenAI remove the configurable hard usage limit?
gamerbath: wait what
_3sphere: Cloudo your skull type is 99% goober
_3sphere: Anime girl physiognomy
alejandrozarzuelo: are you really going the phraenologist route with your competitive racism?
alejandrozarzuelo: ??? you know how anime works?

in anime, everyone has a similar aesthetic for facial features, but that is fine since they exaggerate other features

hair is much more important in anime as in real life for example
gamerbath: <:prayge:981798930113249300>
gamerbath: <:PES_CringeGrin:585724567259971604>
_cloudost: Why judge the hair color when they all have the same eye shapes? The eye shape is more inaccurate than their skull shapes if we are going to be realistic
_cloudost: Considering one second costs $0.5
_cloudost: $4
alejandrozarzuelo: (also the green dressed girl was supposed to be brazil)