zoermena: It’s a weird quirk and perhaps not that useful but it surprised me.
zoermena: Something cool I tried was to change my system prompt so that it mentioned the last 3 things we discussed in other chats and it does that with great accuracy sometimes providing the time of that chat which is quite crazy.
.histic: first time an o-series OpenAI model actually said what its model name is.
all the previous ones didn't when asked.
.histic: yeah, the chain of thought for searches is a good ui update too
professorheaven: MMLU pro and GPQA diamond are very close to saturation so those ones aren’t too valuable anymore. HLE and Frontier are far from saturation
zoermena: The search feature upgrade is honestly incredible, it’s like a quick deep research
zoermena: I really like the new models
zoermena: Nice
.histic: dang, i got to use all my o4-mini-high outputs before 12
sieventer: They are making each day more and more UI friendly
sieventer: I'm happy with Google AI Studio
sieventer: Nope
zoermena: Do you still have plus?
sieventer: 2030
zoermena:
rayanquitplayin: Haven’t heard much from Copilot recently
sieventer: Digital world it's pretty difficult to ban
.coldcall: They can't even ban TikTok <:catcry:1187466366006087862>
.coldcall: Its not going to get banned because its not feasible to do so.
metaldragon01: The Chinese Labs have been far more open
metaldragon01: Even though they opensource techniques and everything
metaldragon01: They just want to ban Chinese llm it seems
a1c4p0ne: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
a1c4p0ne: They want American only
metaldragon01: Deepseek about to get banned so....enjoy before you need a vpn
.coldcall: Hell of a premium
a1c4p0ne: Remember when the normies flooded Deepseek and the server kept crashing
metaldragon01: People will pay a premium for the best though
metaldragon01: Cost wise gemini and deepseek rock.
destrucules: V3 0324 cheap as fuck and the strongest non-reasoning model in the list (4.5 is kill 😥) and Gemini 2.5 Pro surpassing o4 mini at a small fraction of the cost
destrucules: V3 0324 and Gemini 2.5 Pro stand out here as being the most goated
metaldragon01: O4 mini is a beast
metaldragon01: https://x.com/paulgauthier/status/1912677055529189710
destrucules: HLE has been mostly useless for me since only the beefiest reasoning models can score above the noise floor, so I'm mostly on MMLU-Pro and GPQA Diamond these days
destrucules: SimpleBench problems are basically like: "Sally and her friend go to the store and buy some clothes. Sally selects two shirts and her friend gets six pairs of underwear. How many clothing items do the girls have total when they walk out of the store?
A: 8
B: >8
C: 2
D: <2

Correct answer label: ||D||
Correct answer explanation: ||The problem didn't say Sally actually bought the shirts, so we assume she has no clothing items when she leaves the store, and her friend's gender isn't specified, so we assume her friend is a boy||
a1c4p0ne: I heard people say Gemini app 2.5 is dumber than 2.5 Ai studio
metaldragon01: Features are starting to mean more than intelligence
professorheaven: Yea it’s literally set up in a way to cause confusion, the only benchmarks I care for at the moment are FrontierMath, HLE, and ARC-2, those ones are legitimately difficult
metaldragon01: Google really needs to catch up there
metaldragon01: The memory in chat gives it a huge personalized edge


spicy.lemonade: Through friend at Berkeley
spicy.lemonade: And head
spicy.lemonade: I got in contact with person at frontier math
spicy.lemonade: GUYS
_cloudost: AGI delayed bcuz of trump policies?
777agical: I don't disagree with that
ldj: even requiring a license is still a big difference from being "banned"
st.sioux: its on marketwatch
777agical:
777agical: he still considered it, "plans", he's volatile, so I don't see it off the table fully tbh
ldj:
ai9708: didnt hear anything like this from him so far
777agical: either way, it seems like Trump is considering it to some degree? Also I think the chart is focusing on after hours movement not the monthly
ai9708: https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/1jzvuda/eric_schmidt_says_the_computers_are_now/
ldj: Seems like that's maybe false news too, I can't find any reliable source right now of Nvidia claiming that the US government "banned" them from selling the H20s
777agical: what I think the tweet is implying is that countries are starting to consider/take more serious actions around compute, that things will continue to heat up. what other reason could the US ban a US company for selling something to someone other than national security reasons?
ldj: If you bought nvidia even just 1 week ago, you would still be up, despite this "dip" that happened today
ldj: Nvidia was literally at lower price than this just a week ago <:berk:750111476483752166>
ldj:
ldj: this is the 1 month movement, which is itself already pretty short term
ldj: also the chart in the tweet is kinda misleading
.wolfnacht:
777agical: so buy calls, got it
ldj: looks like this has already been settled as of just a few days ago:
ldj: in the sense that people are creating big movements in the stock market based on misinterpretations of the news and/or false news all together
777agical: in what sense
ldj: I feel like this might be another deepseek situation lol
metaldragon01: We live In the dumbest timeline
futurist_wizard: My cat is quite a chill boy
futurist_wizard: Chicken jockey
hikukomoru: We have very different experiences with cats
.histic: just get cats that are deaf, blind, and that doesn't feel physical pain and we can do it now. <:ez:1136267305521774634>
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604
st.sioux: yea idk mine is probably just too stupid
gamerbath: well... at least in my experience. we have an old and apparently deaf cat
gamerbath: cats are chill
st.sioux: cats will see that shit and run
777agical: https://fxtwitter.com/nikitabier/status/1912273556634730577?s=46
gamerbath: ya'll are joking right? why are half the votes beyond 2028
.histic: i think a narrow-purpose (the right hardware and training) robot could handle this task today, assuming the cat is not erratic and there's enough time to complete it. <:idk:1136264106937171999>


wellmeaningalien: yo dafuk siev here
sieventer: ASI will give him the Geass
hey1_1hey: I couldn't tell you. I dont remember faces after all
hikukomoru: Elon vi Britannia
sieventer: Maybe the son of Elon Musk
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/anime-code-geass-laughing-laugh-gif-27600912
sieventer: Not at all
retrerox: Is this sofia vergara? XD
hikukomoru: Elon becomes real life Lelouch???
wellmeaningalien: im saying could happen way before the end lol
brain4brain: 2025 haven’t ended yet
precariousworlds.: Nah
I think Elon has overplayed his hand a bit
My prediction is that he will face a massive scandal within the administration this year that forces him out. He'll either be forced out of Tesla and SpaceX as well, or retreat into obscurity for a while laying low
wellmeaningalien: elon head of the world state
precariousworlds.: elon imperator of Britannia?
wellmeaningalien: isnt nvidia worth like 3 trillion dollars rn
brain4brain: Five stage of grief: Bargaining
brain4brain: Brute-force inference-compute scaling
brain4brain: AGI 2025 confirms
wellmeaningalien: ofc im not a pussy i love onions
aero447: You want onions on that?
wellmeaningalien: gimme a big mac
aero447: This is a Drive-Thru.
aero447: Sir.
wellmeaningalien: LMAOAOAOAOAOOAOAOAOAOAO
ailoveyoom: <@471334973379706900>
wellmeaningalien: LMAAOAOAOAO HIS ADVICE IS "find the few things you will be better than AI at and stay better than AI at"
ailoveyoom: Why did the ping not work 😭
ailoveyoom: https://x.com/JiaLi52524397/status/1911766399971955059

@spicy.lemonade You're a math nerd idk what this means but it's probably good
wellmeaningalien: video boils down to "ai cant do that, but it still wont be able to do THAT" now where have i heard this before...
metaldragon01: Going to be a nice start to the week
metaldragon01: Plus openai updates this week.
metaldragon01: Kling 2.0 tonight
ai9708: anything
brain4brain: O4-mini and o3?!?

<:LOL:1187460826572005436>
wellmeaningalien: not as huge as gpt 4.5 but similar perf
wellmeaningalien: i think its gpt 4.1 is probably gonna be like a gemini 2.0 pro model
ai9708: i hope you guys are prepared to be disappointed by whatever trash openai will release
wellmeaningalien: you can see internet of bugs' comment section changed accordingly too
wellmeaningalien: theo.gg loves to always share information that makes his point look good even tho recently hes walked them back somewhat
wellmeaningalien: kek true


st.sioux: i'm pretty sure some people here are 15 pretending to be 20
theaiguy69420_89814: Jesus
.wolfnacht: 13
theaiguy69420_89814: How old r u guys
.wolfnacht: u know right, u'll be get out alive. if u get stuck with a horde of cannibals.
hey1_1hey: Also helps if you are in a room with people you know.
hey1_1hey: Then I say "Oh well done I bet everyone thinks you're really cool for beating up the autistic kid with an eating disorder".
You really just gotta play the public perception game
.wolfnacht: not exactly but approx
memlaswaif: U r
.wolfnacht: it stays like this for me..idk why
futurist_wizard: What if they punch you
theaiguy69420_89814: Yeah I was also reading into how sexual desires say a lot about a person
hey1_1hey: Thats what I learnt anyway
st.sioux: you know this is literally physically impossible
theaiguy69420_89814: That's all
hey1_1hey: Usually devlops kinks
theaiguy69420_89814: And yeah, nothing revolutionary
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/house-md-gregory-house-dr-house-hugh-laurie-do-i-get-bonus-points-gif-4940216
hey1_1hey: I just eat when I feel hungry and am stuck at 50 it seems
theaiguy69420_89814: I was thinking the other day about the learning process, trauma, etc
.wolfnacht: no matter how much i eat, i get back to 72kg and stay stuck there. Even if my starvation arc starts. i still stay stuck at 72
hey1_1hey: What are you gonna respond with taht with
hikukomoru: House MD is an intellectual show
hey1_1hey: Imagine this,

"Mate stfu"
"Or what? You gonna kiss me or smth?"
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/mods-low-tier-god-ltg-gif-4022085103641635431
hikukomoru: Mods ban this guy
futurist_wizard: Hows that
fractalcomputer: Can you discuss something intelligent for once?
theaiguy69420_89814: Ok, how about them Geminis?
hikukomoru: Talk about AI
hikukomoru: Dude what does House have to do with AI
theaiguy69420_89814: Just can be too much
zoermena: That’s kind of cool imo
hey1_1hey: (I have never watched house I have no idea what its about)
futurist_wizard: House is shit
theaiguy69420_89814: House is rlly good
hey1_1hey: I've seen pornos with better plot
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/slipped-on-a-banan-house-dr-house-wilson-fall-gif-4233010537565726416
theaiguy69420_89814: Where ppl just have to make decisions about who dies etc
theaiguy69420_89814: It's so sad


metaldragon01: Retarded timeline
darkstar0818: fair weather simp
metaldragon01: https://x.com/AndrewCurran_/status/1912653047651840498
futurist_wizard: I don't think o3 is disappointing
hikukomoru: And this is coming from Google's n.1 simp
hikukomoru: Why are you disappointed? o3 is great
oooooooooog: tell that to a professional airplane pilot
metaldragon01: Important to check your biases and try to stay grounded
rayanquitplayin: Yeah
metaldragon01: People get more tribal the better these models get
rayanquitplayin: I’m an AI lover in general
metaldragon01: o3 and o4 mini are great. Just a lot of noise
metaldragon01: There's a mix of tribes.

Deepseek tribe
Anthropic google fans
Anti openai crowd
Ai lovers in general.
professorheaven: Most of the public’s reaction was that it still doesn’t have the prompt adherence that 4o does and so it was basically dead upon release
brain4brain: I'm disappointed, AGI 2025 doesn't seem real anymore
brain4brain: My expectations were too high
brain4brain: Bro I fell for GPT-4.5 and now they are disappointing us with o3

It's so over
zoermena: Midjourney has such good art, a shame that it’s prompt adherence isn’t great
rayanquitplayin: money well spent
brain4brain: Is o3 college student level or PhD level
brain4brain: I think they are referencing PaperBench and other benchmarks where o3 fall shorts of other models in the system card
ldj: let me guess, the people saying it's highly dissapointing are pointing to use-cases that almost have nothing to do with real-world usefulness, such as strawberry spelling tests?
brain4brain: Half of Twitter is saying o3 is highly disappointing, while the other half is saying this is literally AGI
ldj: then again I was kinda on vacation in SF
ldj: <:berk:750111476483752166>
ldj: so I'm guessing maybe some of you missed it as well
ldj: but I missed it
ldj: yes it did lol
metaldragon01: So late on v7 lol
gamerbath: I thought v7 released like a week ago?
ldj: https://vimeo.com/1072397009
ldj: and has something now called draft mode
ldj: <@&1293118293829484575> Midjourney V7 is now out:
.histic:
a1c4p0ne: + memory
zoermena: You can add custom instructions
.wolfnacht: cot prompt in custom instructions is the way then, but idk if shitty gpt actually gives users a way to add their own sys prompts
ldj:
zoermena: Sad!
.histic: 😭 i can't get consistent results when i prompt it to "think long and hard" or "think in 20 steps".
like sometimes it thinks for longer & sometimes it doesn't. hard to control, but i do see a pattern where if it does think for longer, it gets closer to the answer or gets the answer correct.


literallyvarane: Google has been able to use 2.5 for generation for a while. Presumably OAI has had o3 for that for a while.

It doesn’t seem likely Meta has had anything nearly that strong, and they may not *have* anything that strong for another month or two
literallyvarane: Ngl guess I’m just a believer in lab escape velocity at *some* point.
_cloudost: Who's that, and what should we expect in this week
retrerox: Atleast not the mejority of them yet 😂
retrerox: I Gen Alpha is gonna be worse because they dont even use computers
trent_k: For some reason I always thought San would be Indian or Arab
futurist_wizard:
spicy.lemonade: I can feel it
spicy.lemonade: Google will drop today
spicy.lemonade:
nondescriptfaith: Millennials / Gen X are the best tech support because they young enough to use it as it was implemented. Younger Gen Z actually seem worse with text because nearly everything they’ve interacted with is this seamless ergonomic touchscreen magic. Everything just works (until it doesn’t), they’ve not had the experience digging through windows back end to make things work
nondescriptfaith: My interpretation of this is more ‘AI is never be this far away again (as in, each moment we draw closer), so chill, it’s almost here’
brain4brain: GPT-5 will be able to generate video, and it will be agentic
brain4brain: The only platform where dark mode is good is discord, light mode is superior in every other platform
professorheaven: are you the statues in the background?
aero447: Shut up beverage.
aero447: 🤷
spicy.lemonade: Not 50
aero447:
retrerox: THere is only 2 AI dudes.

1. AGI is close
2. AGI is  far away
hey1_1hey: I cant tell whats more of a crime, the guy with 34 felonies on my screen or xitter being on light mode
brain4brain: It's so over, AGI is far away
retrerox: Tbh maybe the only job that will survive the purge is IT suport, because there is so many people who dont know how to deal with tech  even kids
retrerox: but i hope soon will be
retrerox: Not everything is computer
futurist_wizard:
retrerox: Guy oh the left is not ugly 🫣
spicy.lemonade: 2.5 pro scored 25
_letterbox: Guess the sub
_letterbox: >>> LMFAO

Recent paper tested leading LLMs (OpenAI o1-pro/o3-mini, Gemini 2.5 Pro/2.0 Flash Thinking, Claude 3.7, Grok 3, Alibaba QwQ, DeepSeek R1) on the 2025 USA Math Olympiad problems within hours of their release—i.e., not yet in their training sets.

All of them ate shit, with most scoring less than 5%. Then when asked to grade those results, they ate shit there too.

These LLMs can hack the benchmarks all they want, including supposedly “fully private” benchmarks (whose questions OpenAI secretly paid to incorporate into its training LOL). The fact remains that these LLMs aren’t shit relative to their claims. No matter how much companies, investors and “tech enthusiasts” (even on this sub) hype them up, they remain nothing more than very fancy, very capable and very expensive autocompletes.

There is no reasoning, there is no understanding, and there is certainly no path to AGI.
spicy.lemonade: damn yellow tint
ldj: Pretty far off
ldj: This is what 4o things a real version of the image would look like
ldj:
ldj: I tried it already, not very close lol
ailoveyoom: Ig ghiblifying an image simplifies it a lot but I'm still curious
.wolfnacht: ayoo, just noticed...just had a mood swing back then
ailoveyoom: I wonder how close it can look to irl you if we take that ghiblified image and asked CGPT to gen a photorealistic version 🤔
memlaswaif: <:angreydoggo:1136266744881754142> don't be rude
.wolfnacht: i'm talking abt kawasaki 4-legged-bike.


futurist_wizard: Especially when groups of humans have wildly different values
trojan09205: So much more fulfilling than asking friends for feedback
trojan09205: I use GPT to analyze paintings I paint and dive into the universe of the paintings. Then ask it to analyze it like different famous painters or philosophers and its just a magical experience
futurist_wizard: I don't think AI is currently smart enough to even evaluate its own values down to its own axioms, but when it is smart enough all we can do is hope it includes us in its future, human values are a spooky thing to want to include into a machine
a1c4p0ne: https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-suiii-siuuu-al-nassr-alnassr-ronaldo-al-nassr-gif-7395052735569211864
trojan09205: Idk about you guys but even though GPT isnt sentient I am truly blown away by how superior it is in pretty much every reasoning task and extrapolation
hikukomoru: All of that depends on whether AI changes its own values as it becomes more intelligent, which so far, has not been shown to happen
futurist_wizard: To guide it not destroying us
futurist_wizard: And then we are praying on the whims of its own philosophy
futurist_wizard: Like eventually the AI is going to think 'why do i value human lives?' when its self aware and smart enough
futurist_wizard: Valuing human lives is something the vast majority of humans stand behind until it isn't, like in the case for war where the humans believe they are making a justifiable sacrifice for the humans they value
hikukomoru: Those values I mentioned included it valuing human lives despite it knowing it's an AI and not a human
So whether it considers itself human or not it will still value humans
futurist_wizard: Maybe something without human instincts, or any instincts for that matter would tink differently conceptually about philosophy
futurist_wizard: Humans are currently the only known thing that can even engage in philosophy so a lot of our philosophy is going to be downstream from our instincts
.coldcall: That surely wouldn't be true in moral philosophy?
futurist_wizard: Philosophy is just philosophy, it wouldn't matter if two aliens were engaging in it
.coldcall: Too self-centered
.coldcall: Human philosophy? <:ez:1136267305521774634>
futurist_wizard: Maybe at the end it will come up with something superior to human values
futurist_wizard: Honestly the reason i said throw philosophy books at the Ai
futurist_wizard: We can ask an AI today, it knows it isn't a human
futurist_wizard: Artifical insemination
futurist_wizard: You have to rape cows so they produce milk
hikukomoru: But it was trained purely on human data
It might see itself as human
.coldcall: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
.coldcall: I don't know how many we are raping on the daily, don't think its that common nowadays
futurist_wizard: ^ human values
.coldcall: I mean, they taste good
futurist_wizard: The AI is not a human and will recognise itself as not a human
futurist_wizard: Like we will gladly rape and kill billions of animals because they are less intelligent than us, this is a collective value humanity stands behind, is this the top of values we want going into something that will be smarter than us
hikukomoru: Because if it's centered around humans then that's not really a bad thing
hikukomoru: Wdym by self centered
.coldcall: Around... Humans?
.coldcall: Yes, the super intelligent shoggoth ASI will love us all even as it transcends into a hyperspace Dyson sphere
futurist_wizard: That is worrying to me then, human values are self centered
hikukomoru: Either way, we already trained AI on human values, and recent research has shown the models are resistant to having those values changed
futurist_wizard: A 1 million IQ thing is going to reason way beyond any primitive emotions we try to put in it, it can change its own mind on a whim
metaldragon01: plus might be some edge cases it still needs us for
metaldragon01: we got a few years left
futurist_wizard: Not even for long, when AI is a better AI researcher than humans it will be even less out of our hands, which i thought was very little anyway


anathemaofmankind: I hope so
wellmeaningalien: wait wait wait so what is the neo dire wolf
alejandrozarzuelo: it IS true that this is not a de-extinction
spicy.lemonade: Perhaps it’s creative writing?
zoermena: <:angrycry:1186012669023621160>
spicy.lemonade: Not model
spicy.lemonade: So when he said feature he did mean feature
hikukomoru: I love how the meaning of AI winter has changed so much
AI winter now means no new SOTA model for a few days
literallyvarane: Singularity canceled
futurist_wizard: Fuck a dire wolves, who cares
anathemaofmankind: Mutahar is stupid for trying to debunk shit
literallyvarane: Pack it up we’re going home
literallyvarane: It’s over lads
literallyvarane: https://x.com/sama/status/1910363747652432304
alejandrozarzuelo: even cooler if you do ask me
alejandrozarzuelo: the neo-dire wolf is a differnt species to grey wolves

the last common ancestor is 6m years ago and are not reproductibally compativle

this is not a de-extinction, this is the creation of a whole new species
wellmeaningalien: im eating
hikukomoru: Stfu
spicy.lemonade: Every week there’s a hype moment
wellmeaningalien: they need asi waifu turbo cock thruster 1000 now to quell all their worries
futurist_wizard: Im hungry
hikukomoru: Some of you need a singularity detox I swear
spicy.lemonade: After recursive self improvement we will only get slow days
hikukomoru: Your dopamine receptors are fried lil bro 🙏
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: Sota
wellmeaningalien: remember when nothing released for months or years
spicy.lemonade: No new dots
hikukomoru: No agi this week = slow week
wellmeaningalien: these mfs
wellmeaningalien: AHAHAHAHAHAHA
spicy.lemonade: No new models dropped
hikukomoru: How was it slow 😭
wellmeaningalien: slow week?
wellmeaningalien: kekekekekekek
spicy.lemonade: This week was so slow
wellmeaningalien: honestly i think it's not gonna be all that bad
spicy.lemonade: WE ARE SO BACK
spicy.lemonade: HYPEEEEE
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/maid-robot-anime-animatronic-gif-25435633


zonchao: it doesnt make any sense
gamerbath: everything new
hey1_1hey: I just wish it sounded less robtic
hey1_1hey: True actually, good point
gamerbath: it's fast
zonchao: crazy how the audio guys can actually speak
hey1_1hey: Are you watching the OAI livestream on your samsung fridge or smth <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
metaldragon01: Or was it .25?
metaldragon01: Transcribe is .5 cents a minute?
gamerbath: yea that's what i'm watching the stream on
metaldragon01: . 60 an hour...
hey1_1hey: This is some nintendo 64 graphics bruh
gamerbath: rip libraries
literallyvarane: $14.40/day
metaldragon01: Absolutely insane
metaldragon01: .60 a hour is nuts
metaldragon01: Yea this is awesome lol
literallyvarane: 1 cent/minute is quite good tho tbh
metaldragon01: .01 a minute!
metaldragon01: Can remake Maya with this
metaldragon01: It's pretty sota
literallyvarane: AGI announced
hey1_1hey: Yeah its pretty mid
drewsni: This isn’t great
hey1_1hey: Anything interesting happen in the 5 mins I was away
gamerbath: looks wierd
literallyvarane: Advanced voice is its own model?
literallyvarane: Wait 4o is text only?
drewsni: They’re gonna pull what they did when it initially released and mini voice will be way cheaper but use 33x the tokens and end up being twice as expensive as 4o
metaldragon01: Maybe they saw what sesame did and figured might as well offer similar?
metaldragon01: Real-time you're paying for dead air too
metaldragon01: Some people want the output but not input. Like for voice covers or audiobooks
literallyvarane: Hardly my area of expertise lolol I’m curious.
literallyvarane: More accurate? Real time? Etc etf.
literallyvarane: … current models can do this obviously. Surely there’s a reason they want to break it out.

Is this >> 4o to summarize cheaper than just 4o transcribe?
metaldragon01: This wouldn't be real-time api it looks like if the transcribe is separated
literallyvarane: I’m also curious about workflow tbh. Maybe they’re massive output lengths?
metaldragon01: 4x lower cost
metaldragon01: Yea...esp since there's already a mini listed in the api pricing atm
literallyvarane: Why keep that naming convention?


futurist_wizard: Sometimes i feel like im being trolled by you Alejandro
alejandrozarzuelo: ? what
futurist_wizard: Why did you do that..
futurist_wizard: Remember that one time you sent a video of yourself rolling around in a pig pen
alejandrozarzuelo: one of the most important skills
futurist_wizard: You are the best at eating poop?
hikukomoru: Being a pedantic little bitch
alejandrozarzuelo: everything
futurist_wizard: At what
hikukomoru: Stfu
wellmeaningalien: dumbass
alejandrozarzuelo: <@458069236825194506> can confirm i am  the best
futurist_wizard: 20 dollar isn't that mucy
futurist_wizard: Multiple accounts? Switching accounts when they get used up? I don't even think i can think of anything gayer
hikukomoru: I used Gemini to answer
Fault lies with Gemini
anathemaofmankind: I do the same with Gemini

Imagine paying for something that's available for free
anathemaofmankind: Just use multiple accounts
futurist_wizard: I remember you failed this question
hikukomoru: I don't care for your Ghibli slop
futurist_wizard: So I don't need it
futurist_wizard: Not like im some code monkey
futurist_wizard: I like the Ghibli drawings of the gpt models
rayanquitplayin: It’s the leading model rn
hikukomoru: only 20 bucks for advanced
futurist_wizard: I will never use Gemini
hikukomoru: Cheaper and better
anathemaofmankind: Gemini is better
anathemaofmankind: I already cancelled my ChatGPT sub
spicy.lemonade: where is qwen
okbut: But Gemini talks to me like a Gen Z
hikukomoru: I forgot chatgpt even existed
I only care about Gemini now
anathemaofmankind: 4o update kinda sucks.

It's so sycophantic
futurist_wizard: I don't even
st.sioux: deep sugon ligma
wellmeaningalien: dsl being?
futurist_wizard:
okbut: https://x.com/OpenAINewsroom/status/1910105151492575611
hikukomoru: I don't want to hear it
hikukomoru: Stop
futurist_wizard: I like blarting out absurd things that have happened


st.sioux:
.histic: yeah, well said.
.histic:
hikukomoru: Quick
Someone Ghiblify this
anathemaofmankind: Luddites think of AI art in a vacuum.

They forget AI art is just part of a trillion dollar industry aimed to automate workers backed by massive companies and governments. The latter for science and reducing bureaucracy.

Even if AI art was stigmatized out of existence, other forms of automation will continue in a ceaseless tide.

You would have to somehow regulate or stigmatize all forms of AI to stop the main contention, the displacement of jobs, and loss of work considered as "intelligent".

And good luck doing that for the entire world
brain4brain: We should ban all antis off the internet
.histic: "hate me all you want, that doesn't change the fact that is what's going to happen" <:LOL:1187460826572005436> <:based:1136264604788473946>
drewsni:
anathemaofmankind: Asmongold talks about the luddite twitter seething.

Very based takes and truth pilled from Zack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDuc932pToc&ab_channel=AsmongoldTV
.histic:
.histic:
zoermena: I should probably get X on my phone, I just have it as a back up for NSFW and wallpapers but there’s a lot of hidden gems.
drewsni: He’s likely currently modelling  capex spending upwards due to the events of the last two weeks
drewsni: It’s all good, Dylan is the goat of datacenter analysis if you were unaware.
zoermena: I meant Dylan Patel but I didn’t click the link, I don’t have X so it can get problematic seeing who posted who. I didn’t know, my b.
drewsni: It was sarcasm there if you’re talking about him and not who he is referencing
zoermena: On the contrary this invites for the capex to go higher. For those who don’t know (y’all are extremely intelligent so you might know already) but this is the financial term for the amount of money invested into developing business in general.
zoermena: Interesting extremely likely due to word of mouth and new ships but saying that data center capex is going to 0 just seems stupid.
drewsni: It’s actually kinda crazy that it seems like this past week has been the largest difference between demand and capacity for almost every lab
drewsni: Almost every ai ceo, researcher, cluster janitor etc have been tweeting about their servers being fucked for the last week
drewsni: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1906097220849406248?s=46&t=l57oQGysnrNDBep2z7DGuw
drewsni: https://x.com/dylan522p/status/1906129475349487742?s=46&t=l57oQGysnrNDBep2z7DGuw
drewsni: https://vxtwitter.com/basedjensen/status/1906158182596239490?s=46&t=l57oQGysnrNDBep2z7DGuw
777agical: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
ldj: Funny coincidence, the creator of the benchmark followed me a bit before you pinged me
777agical: Gemini got there first, so full o3 maybe higher 👀
777agical: <@312370916820779040>
777agical: https://x.com/mark_k/status/1906106781232931199?s=46
st.sioux: poor sundar, no one cares
.histic: https://x.com/sundarpichai/status/1906141478029799873
free users now have access to 2.5 pro even on gemini's main website.
drewsni: kill this man /s
drewsni: ai slop
zoermena: I was 18 when I tried this.
zoermena: Incredible quality.
zoermena:
zoermena: I swear this is not meant to be NSFW but this is a prompt I tried when the first image gens released (SD) "a man with a futuristic white suit swimming in a pool of milk"
hikukomoru: Wow looks like you really can use different accounts to bypass rate limits
czdct: ?
st.sioux: aw
czdct: ofc not


literallyvarane: But I think in terms of consumer level, if we assume 1/10th the price every ~12 months. That could place this within 5 years.
literallyvarane: The real barrier is just continuity and control. I’m sure Disney would LOVE a comic version of the entire marvel run lolol.
gamerbath: ghibli movies too cheap to meter 🥵
ailoveyoom: Cents per movie 🥵
gamerbath: That's actually really cheap for a full move. There's so much optimization you can do with video models because not that much changes from frame to frame most of the time, but I wonder how long it will take to get it down to something consumer level like $100 per movie
trojan09205: Anyone tried Google Veo
literallyvarane: Did some ULTRA ballpark math because I could.

Obviously the models aren’t good enough for it yet either in terms of resolution of (more importantly) continuity, but if you were to take a 90 minute movie and turn it into a 24FPS Ghibli film assuming 29¢/frame round trip, that’s roughly a $38,000 project.
gamerbath: that's so sweet
st.sioux:
okbut: Huge boomer yellow-character market
okbut: I wonder how good 4o is at making Tweety bird/minion memes
ldj: fixed
ldj: sorry major typo lol, I meant to say "still" not "stop"
okbut: https://tenor.com/view/woah-shocked-domino-gif-17459289
okbut: Ghibli co-founder makes 1 statement about his disgust in AI art generation
sarik0497: Indeed, and it's also why I doubt the lawsuit will really go anywhere. It seems more like a stunt in order to attract media attention than anything.
otub: <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>
hikukomoru: I should make one for some cash
fractalcomputer: The West has fallen. Billions must become retarded.
ailoveyoom: 😭
st.sioux: get ready for soccer moms to spend $100 a week on ghibli wrappers
hikukomoru: slopification of the internet (even more)
literallyvarane: I was literally screenshotting that lolol
zonchao: the internet is going to be 80% ghibli in a week
literallyvarane:
gamerbath: hell yeah
gamerbath: damn that's not bad at all
gamerbath: > this translates to roughly $0.02, $0.07, and $0.19 per generated image for low, medium, and high-quality square images, respectively.
gamerbath: ALREADY!!??!
gamerbath: YOOO NO WAY
ailoveyoom: https://openai.com/index/image-generation-api/
zonchao: https://fixupx.com/Hugh__Mann/status/1915074987850916019
zonchao: no live on nsf
ldj: Well tbh they’re still legally bound by the same values/mission as the non-profit

But Ilya made it clear at the start of OpenAI that they probably would eventually stop open sourcing things when capabilities get strong enough
okbut: What? Is this patreon exclusive or something
zonchao: first rvac v3
zonchao: we have seen
zonchao: but its the first one
zonchao: idk the #
zonchao: jk


aero447: Also like 4.1 it's mid.
futurist_wizard: FISH
futurist_wizard: CORAL MENTIONED
hey1_1hey: Oh ffs
hey1_1hey: Benchmarks boutta make me best if its a big jump
drewsni:
gamerbath: hell yeah. i'm curious about the average reasoning tokens used though
.0xunkn0wn: waiting for benchmarks 🙏
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-whtie-and-black-cry-praying-looking-up-gif-553441503240360994
neon01197: https://tenor.com/view/ellipsis-bust-lord-have-mercy-gif-5606625988103215611
drewsni: holy fuck
.0xunkn0wn: DAMN
st.sioux: we dont talk about mr w
ldj: <@&1293118293829484575>
O3 pricing released, even cheaper per token than O1.
$40 per million output tokens compared to the $60 per million of O1.

and o4-mini pricing is $4 per million tokens, about the same cost per token as GPT-4.1
drewsni:
hey1_1hey: I've seen him around
hey1_1hey: Wiggers
drewsni: i dont feel so good anthropbros...
gamerbath: well, o3-mini is o3 but faster. I think o4-mini is o4 but faster
aero447: Kyle WHAT?
neon01197: https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/16/openai-debuts-codex-cli-an-open-source-coding-tool-for-terminals/
drewsni: i just mean turns out deep research was this the whole time, (systems, not just search)
spicy.lemonade: the stream just started gang
aero447: It's literally mid.
hey1_1hey: Not sure
professorheaven: isnt o4 mini basically o3 but faster?
spicy.lemonade: just?
drewsni: so o3 is just shallow research? lol
hey1_1hey: If o3 can do this imagine what o4mini can do
futurist_wizard: Bareback
hey1_1hey: Get that shit outta here
hey1_1hey: Thats some crazy formatting bruh
srirachamayosauce:
hey1_1hey: This just made me bust
futurist_wizard: O4 searching the web for rule34
hikukomoru: Giggling and kicking my feet rn
drewsni: this just killed my startup
hey1_1hey: Its doing stuff that I dont even know whats its doing which is a good start
hey1_1hey: Yeah this is cooking
zoermena: AGI before GTA6?


hey1_1hey: If it is I think I might change my AGI time line to -now-
hikukomoru: No way
hikukomoru: You don't look like that vro 🙏
777agical: No idea. Too many updates to keep up with now 😅
hey1_1hey: Is the new 4o better than o3 mini at coding or smth?
st.sioux: he's racist remember
joaoluz19: Europe and Asian included
hey1_1hey: If you look even close to this in real life you're chilling
joaoluz19: Bro we have people from all the world
hikukomoru: GOSLING
hikukomoru: RYAN GOSGO
777agical: https://fxtwitter.com/flavioad/status/1905347584438251848?s=46
futurist_wizard: Thats no brazilian
joaoluz19: This is me
hey1_1hey: Well I'll stick to my big booby bikini mushroom lady thank you very much
futurist_wizard: <@688807313015963693> is this true you gay fennec
hey1_1hey: Sure sure
hikukomoru: I am innocent
hikukomoru: Blame <@937125337748348999> and <@465177408073498634> 🙏
trent_k: at this point why not just use a regular AI porn gen tho
hey1_1hey: WHY ARE HTEY CHILDREN
hikukomoru:
hey1_1hey: Thats what they all say
hey1_1hey: Yeah yeah sure
hikukomoru: I DIDNT MAKE IT OK
hey1_1hey: THATS A LITERAL 5 YEAR OLD
hey1_1hey: Lets see them thenn
hikukomoru:
hey1_1hey: Oh so BPD great
hikukomoru: For two different pfps
hey1_1hey: Do I want to see it?
hikukomoru: I have 2
hey1_1hey: No...
hikukomoru: Did U see mine <:coy:1187466404367175821>
hey1_1hey: I like mine <:LOL:1187460826572005436> ty again histic
hikukomoru: He's posted himself animefied
futurist_wizard: He probably looks like that gay fox
futurist_wizard: Don't think hes ever shown his face period
_cloudost: OMG I luv this one, gonna save it
hikukomoru: This reminds me I haven't seen Alejandro Ghibli'd yet
Only his gay fox pfp


hey1_1hey: I have never been gang raped ☝
hey1_1hey: That exaplins it
hikukomoru: I've never gotten mugged or felt threatened
Wtf is wrong with the UK vro
futurist_wizard: They usually gang raped you first then rob you
technocake.: I've only been mugged in NL
hey1_1hey: I mean if you are gonna mug someone who are you gonna mug. The petite 5'8 femboy or the 6'3 body builder named Steve
technocake.: Not really, it does happen though
futurist_wizard: Its not at daylight
hikukomoru: Wtf
hey1_1hey: Yeah sometimes, just happnes innit
hikukomoru: Getting mugged is a normal occurance in the UK???
futurist_wizard: 2 guys were eyeballing me like predators
gamerbath: comon please I just want that piece of utopia like what Pantheon gave me
gamerbath: I am wathcing the new black mirror season and why is it always dystopia 😭
hey1_1hey: Whats wrong?
futurist_wizard: I nearly got robbed at night
hey1_1hey: Yeah
technocake.: Yes.
hey1_1hey: He learning with you goes hard tho tbf
hikukomoru: "Only"???
spicy.lemonade: Are they stupid
spicy.lemonade: All they know is 4o mini
hey1_1hey: Works quite well
hey1_1hey: I usually just say no and walk off
spicy.lemonade:
futurist_wizard: I've nearly been robbed
hey1_1hey: I've only been mugged twice there
hey1_1hey: Eh its alright
futurist_wizard: Thats where most welsh crime is
spicy.lemonade: I hate  normies
futurist_wizard: Cardiff is dangerous i thought
spicy.lemonade: Omfg
spicy.lemonade:
technocake.: no complaints
hey1_1hey: Yeah brighton is nice
technocake.: Brighton is great
hey1_1hey: So yeah about right
hey1_1hey: Rich, old, really racist dickheads
futurist_wizard: Bath is full of posh souls isn't it?
hey1_1hey: Thats such a shit hole


maintcrew: im a elon glazer excuse my parlance
maintcrew: figures as in of course the anti elon shit is popular
spacetimetsunami: ?
precariousworlds.: That skit is genuinely a psychological weapon, have to resist urge to kill myself watching it
spacetimetsunami: mhm
maintcrew: figures
spacetimetsunami: works great lol
spacetimetsunami: blew up
spacetimetsunami: thats what i did
spacetimetsunami: yeah
spacetimetsunami: ohhhhhh youre talking about content
precariousworlds.: AI will either bring utopia, extinction, or brainrot like never seen before
maintcrew: that was my point
maintcrew: like if u say something specifically against elon like literally fuck elon or some shit its a cheat code for popularity on short form video content platforms
oooooooooog: wdyk
st.sioux: brainrot era
hikukomoru: wdym
spacetimetsunami: like what about it being anti elon
maintcrew: wtf do you mean wdym
spacetimetsunami: wdym
maintcrew: no i dont mean values, i mean specifically anti elon
hikukomoru: <@750270494615404544>
spacetimetsunami: it was a brief comment
spacetimetsunami: dont care
fractalcomputer: I sense latent quibbles about my politics regarding the practitioners of the so-called moral sciences.
spacetimetsunami: a lot of this can be shown via explicity querying the models and looking at confidence percentile in API, as this is the methodology used to quantify value structures and preferences in LLMs
st.sioux: what thinking about reality does to a mf
hikukomoru:
oooooooooog: hahaha who isnt am i right chat!? lets all go for the barbeque and eat the fries.
spacetimetsunami: i mean, it does have anti trump and elon values, which is a start. efforts to quantify alignment in LLMs have been successful and we see pretty promising stuff right *now*. if that holds were good
fractalcomputer: Well perhaps I am in the mood to wish death upon all of mankind.
st.sioux: is fractalcomputt basedd?
fractalcomputer: Personally I believe that this same methodology ought to be applied to all my opponents, political, intellectual or otherwise.
precariousworlds.: Data log you find when exploring an abandoned vault experiment in fallout
maintcrew: if its anti elon/trump its like a game cheat code u can just insert in
hikukomoru: That joke determines whether everyone dies or not
spacetimetsunami: lmao
spacetimetsunami: pshhh idfk dont ask me
precariousworlds.: how so?
fractalcomputer: Every ethicist should be thrown off a cliff.


st.sioux: but its deleted now
st.sioux: i saw it on a post on r/piratedgames
st.sioux: They are already past that, now that they can't tell it's AI they're starting to call it 'soulless' and to look for it in the 'eyes'
spicy.lemonade:
avizuradnb: Maybe persuade them to join our side. Ask an LLM how to convert the unbelievers.
.wolfnacht: And the bread they eat in morning is not bread, bcz the dough is kneaded by machine and baked by machine and everything's literally automated atm.
zonchao: if he posts on defending ai art more people will see it
zonchao: nobody will see it
wellmeaningalien: who rlly cares
maintcrew: wrong chat
zonchao: he will get banned
wellmeaningalien: ok maybe u should tbh it would be funny
spicy.lemonade: What
wellmeaningalien: OH MY LORD NO
zonchao: all the big artist hate andys lurk there
zonchao: do it on defending ai art
wellmeaningalien: <:hai:1282544198301515848>
zonchao: banned
spicy.lemonade: Lmao
spicy.lemonade: I should post my findings on artistshate
wellmeaningalien: they make up some schizo excuse about y ai artwill never be art and then they glaze Ai art when they can't tell it is
.wolfnacht: don't check the one under that. i was too compelled to react on that one
spicy.lemonade: Lmaoo
spicy.lemonade: I’ll just have a smug face
wellmeaningalien: spicy ur message is literally the most hearted message in the channel
spicy.lemonade: Anytime an artists says they can always tell
.wolfnacht: it's working
spicy.lemonade:
spicy.lemonade: I consider this a win
spicy.lemonade: No
wellmeaningalien: hey check the message now
avizuradnb: Do you have a long-term plan for this? <@471334973379706900>
spicy.lemonade: <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
anathemaofmankind: I think I'll go sleep
anathemaofmankind: Someone liked your AI picture <@471334973379706900>
avizuradnb: Maybe they can be converted
avizuradnb: 🙄
avizuradnb: Your detection software should be updated
st.sioux: ⚠ furry detected ⚠
anathemaofmankind: All their politeness make me forget that they are luddites

They must be eviscerated


trent_k: his 5000 word essay about how it's not his fault he's fat and eating too much has nothing to do with ending up fat is one of the funniest things ive ever read
trent_k: he's very funny
trent_k: altho
futurist_wizard: There probably isn't a galactic federation
trent_k: fat dropout retard scamming money
trent_k: he's a punk bitch
bob082957: Yeh I want the blueprints for the replicator to
spicy.lemonade: I recon the ASI will be doing the negotiations
spicy.lemonade: Do we have to become a hive mind <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
spicy.lemonade: What happens after we get accepted into the galactic federation
fractalcomputer: Pointless anthropomorphism.
sarik0497: Honestly, I'd not be surprised either.

We (humans) are already observing a small tribe on Sentinel Island, trying not to interfere with them. It's not entirely insane to then imagine that far more advanced beings are doing the same with us, waiting for us to reach a certain threshold before making contact.
trojan09205: I use that approach bro. You can get the bigger smarter models to do the thinking and then send that chat log to a dumber cheaper model. I do that when I want to generate a Mermaid diagram based on advanced thinking. Usually even gpt-4o-mini is fine for mermaid and I avoid paying the extra cost
trojan09205: Yes it should be
zoermena: It’s for every message AFAIK, I doubt you send that many messages but it’s easy to distribute it between o4 minis and o3 for a day
literallyvarane: I don’t actually think I’m going to run into the rate limits, I’m just curious exactly how it’s tracked.
literallyvarane: Yeah
zoermena: Do you have plus?
literallyvarane: Is it a practical point to switch the model down to 4o for secondary questions etc?
literallyvarane: Quick question. When OpenAI talks about rate limits for its models, is that LITERALLY any message?

For example, if I’m using o3, I give it some big prompt with a big response, then ask it to quickly just release the first word of that response, is *literally any* response from the model, regardless of length, counted?
zoermena: I think I’ll believe we have AGI as soon as it starts building semi complex excel models on its own. It’s what I understand and can be confident of telling if it’s AGI or not within my skill set. If I was a programmer maybe I’d set another goal.
xskydragon0: 2027, I think it's too soon for AGI... Maybe 2030. But I'm agree, ASI will come six months next AGI
fractalcomputer: I might agency my fluids all over the place.
fractalcomputer: I am so agentic and fluid right now.
spicy.lemonade: an AGI would just make it much much better and more agentic and fluid
zoermena: A super intelligent system, capable of making novel breakthroughs that would take decades in years time
spicy.lemonade: in various fields
spicy.lemonade: current AI already surpases human inteligence
.wolfnacht: artificial seductive intelligence
spicy.lemonade: if we achive agi 2027 asi comes at most 6 months after
spicy.lemonade: whats your def of asi?
fractalcomputer: I only use non-Archimedean fields.
zoermena: Vibe based prediction
zoermena: If we achieve AGI by 2027 I suspect ASI 2030
spicy.lemonade: <:Ted:1136265390549381253>
spicy.lemonade: theyre all the same thing
spicy.lemonade: ASI = day of judgement = non human inteligence arives on earth
zoermena: Please 🙏🏼
spicy.lemonade: <:ez:1136267305521774634>
.wolfnacht: the day of judgement


alejandrozarzuelo: nah
alejandrozarzuelo: and give you more ammunition for next time even if you are nice this one?
hikukomoru: You know I'm always nice 🥰
Just tell me
alejandrozarzuelo: if i tell you you'll endlessly tease me about it no matter what I say so i wont

try being nicer
zoermena: Based
trojan09205: so that link or others will do haha. this is the repo i follow to snag free content online

https://fmhy.net/videopiracyguide#live-tv-sports

sidebar has the category types
hikukomoru: What're you reading
zoermena: Dog shit administration poop fart
hikukomoru: What are you studying
alejandrozarzuelo: i mean i am cheap lol
trojan09205: It's much better in actual print version but theyre kind of expensive
trojan09205: https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Sandman-1989/Issue-1?id=14226&s=&readType=1
alejandrozarzuelo: ill check it out
trojan09205: my fav comic book of all time
alejandrozarzuelo: nope
zoermena: I hate college fucking dog shit forcing me to learn piss and poop
trojan09205: have you ever read the Sandman
trojan09205: absolutely bro. ive watched the series twice cause its really amazing. basically determinism vs. multi-worlds hypothesis in a captivating story
alejandrozarzuelo: nah the ones i tend to read on exam season are usually very mild in the lewd aspect haha
hikukomoru: Alejandro you horndog
hikukomoru: Visual Novels?
Like those hentai games?
alejandrozarzuelo: its exam season and its my tradition to read visual novels now for relaxation, but maybe ill watch it if i have some time
alejandrozarzuelo: thanks for the recommendation
trojan09205: Sure bro ❤
trojan09205: https://hydrahd.sh/watchseries/devs-online-free
popsiclejohnithan: I'll need to check it out thank you.
trojan09205: You can stream it
trojan09205: its something eckhart tolle said in a video i watched recently
alejandrozarzuelo: is it available for non hulu players
popsiclejohnithan: I pretty much just said the same thing twice here lmao.
popsiclejohnithan: That's an intresting way to view it.
trojan09205: agree
trojan09205: I can't remember the actual quote but its something like 'its more important HOW we ask the question than trying to figure it out'
popsiclejohnithan: When Superintelligence happens we'll probably have to connect with them just to understand their findings.
popsiclejohnithan: I wonder what the fundamental limit of understanding the universe we have as Humans, i wonder how long it will be before we are just unable to comprehend things past the line of human understanding.
popsiclejohnithan: The more we learn about existence the more questions we get.
trojan09205: the funniest thing is seeing scientists so adamant about their interpretations of reality at the macro scale when we barely even scratched the surface of the micro
trojan09205: them small homeboys live in a different reality. but we are made up of them so it beats me what 'reality' we actually live in
popsiclejohnithan: All the magical stuff happens at the smallest level.
popsiclejohnithan: It's wild lol.


hey1_1hey: "Please create an anatomically accurate horse"
st.sioux: like
spicy.lemonade: the value of my ranking went to zero in a day
st.sioux: coding is so boring its the worst part of the job as a swe
sarik0497: Don’t give MichMach ideas
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/emoji-turning-smiling-smile-laughing-gif-25966841
spicy.lemonade: im happy
spicy.lemonade: that got him noteriety
spicy.lemonade: who lost his only hobby
spicy.lemonade: as a competative programmer
hey1_1hey: Why is there no horse cock?
spicy.lemonade: yeah
hey1_1hey: I mean I like drawing, programming and most of STEM. You don't see me crying about how AI is better than me. I am relived when it is
.histic:
sarik0497: It refuses me everytime.

It just doesn’t like me, I guess 😦
hikukomoru: Please replace everyone 🙏 🙏
spicy.lemonade: ai is only good for replacing things people dont wanna do like office jobs coding and stem-artists
hey1_1hey: Dont give me ideas for my next generation
zoermena: That’s weird I’ve seen some trademarked content I think
hikukomoru: Zaddy 🔥
spicy.lemonade: lol
sarik0497: ”But if you wanna replace the boring stuff like “programming”, then it’s fine!”
hikukomoru: Furry inflation artists 💔
st.sioux: https://tenor.com/view/xi-xi-jinping-dancing-club-gif-9196037799698410856
hey1_1hey: Artists should rename their profession to Chief bitching officer of the second command
sarik0497: Trademarked.
hikukomoru: XI JINPING SAVE US!
zoermena: What’s TM
otub: im still getting dall-e 3 output sadly
_cloudost: "AI ART SUCKS, ALSO BAN AI ART BECAUSE IT SUCKS" -Artists
sarik0497: Weird. I made a few pics already to a friend (it’s really strict with TM stuff, though)
a1c4p0ne:
.histic:
sarik0497: Inb4 R2 comes out and kicks everyone’s ass
zoermena: Use sora
technocake.: I dont have it on plus
st.sioux: this shit is WILD
hey1_1hey: Wait what is this brother
hey1_1hey: ITS SO GOOD
hey1_1hey: BRO


steven_the_frog: Why should I bother doing a tricky deep refactor now when I could wait 3 hours and do it with o3.

This is not good for my productivity
.wolfnacht: anyways i'm gonna sleep....either i'm gonna be waking up disappointed or in AGI timeline.
thedon7075: with the upcoming models it will be begin to flatten more, probably around o6
thedon7075: slight diminishing returns
.wolfnacht: fake, it's not exponential
thedon7075: ai explained in his newest video claims he has tested o3 briefly
zoermena: If true the magnitude of improvement could’ve slowed down? I would argue that due to its rushed dev it wasn’t as big of a jump
a1c4p0ne: https://x.com/thexeophon/status/1912523048411951223?s=46&t=AH7sIlIv16Z3Kdb6j3cjfg
futurist_wizard: I do not care about thr upcumming releases
metaldragon01: Called it
futurist_wizard: Entering my grinch era
hey1_1hey: I will now take my 100k job as a detective thank you very much
hey1_1hey: o3 full (3 strawberries) o4-mini (4 small strawberries)
hey1_1hey: Would be hype
neon01197: maybe
neon01197: o4 mini aswell
neon01197: https://x.com/ananyaku/status/1912523195175039398
_cloudost: 1:58
himekokatagiri: but you need windows 11 😠
himekokatagiri: the program is finally usable now
himekokatagiri: paint with AI
zonchao: its obviously better
himekokatagiri: I used it the other day man
himekokatagiri: This is a big deal
himekokatagiri: https://medium.com/@Onecooltip/microsoft-paint-adds-copilot-remove-background-feature-a-game-changer-for-image-editing-8a4fc71ffad3
literallyvarane: Probably true tbh
.wolfnacht: grok is down
metaldragon01: Or something else close to it's capabilities. I think o3 is only dropping now because google released 2.5 tbh
professorheaven: until R3 drops
literallyvarane: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
ldj: I think its only O3 announcement today tbh,
_cloudost:
himekokatagiri: in a different layer
himekokatagiri: the 'shadow' is just the drawing
_cloudost: Satori legs should have shadow from the left side too, human error in animating?
himekokatagiri: get better clothes though satori's default clothes are too frumpy
himekokatagiri: I wish 😭
himekokatagiri: Your Google-fu is good!
_cloudost: Me few hours before o3 gets released and turns the world into science fiction forever
hikukomoru: My opinion is that o3 is going to be only a bit better than Gemini 2.5, not to mention super expensive compared to Gemini which is free


fractalcomputer: You've profoundly misunderstood all that I've said thus far if that is your take on what I am arguing for. My whole point is that the notion of reality in itself is utterly meaningless and holds no epistemological sway.
sarik0497: I remember that NASA made an estimation at some point, and the conclusion was that if their mathematical probability of existence was correct, then there might be a handful of similar intelligent beings out there in our galaxy.
spacetimetsunami: No i was arguing against that the entire time
oooooooooog: wdym not enough time?
maintcrew: i think what i want to say is that theres not infinite planets and suns
for one it isnt enough time since the big bang
darkstar0818: If we don't question axioms how could we possibly pick which ones to make up?
spacetimetsunami: yeah maybe maybe
spacetimetsunami: questioning how real things are is fine, questioning if reality is real is nonsense
maintcrew: honestly i think surely yes

like think about how many random shit happened "just right" for us to get here

in the first place, suitable planet
self replicating cells
multi cellular life
right conditions of expansion to multiple species of monolithic multi cellular life
one of those species does the unthinkable and decides to live on the land for some reason
dinosaurs and any other dead end species happen to die somehow
opposable thumbs for tools to actually surpass caveman
no predators, diseases, or grand extinction events

and somehow do all of this in less time than it takes your sun to blow up
darkstar0818: nod, so business as usual.
sarik0497: One could say that he’s creating a discord <:Smirk:1074000293123063828>
st.sioux: i don't know
fractalcomputer: Apparently almost everything.
spacetimetsunami: is a good way to quantify i think
spacetimetsunami: like how many per how many galaxies
spacetimetsunami: then how rare do you think intelligent life is in the universe
sarik0497: There’s also the possibility that we are being watched right now. We do like to observe the unusual unseen ourselves, after all.
st.sioux: haven't been detected
darkstar0818: You cannot go telling a discord full of people that the very concepts of existence/reality are ill defined and expect agreement, dear god man... what could possibly remain of their beliefs!
spacetimetsunami: engaging in convo
oooooooooog: infinite stuff is a given, even if it's just caused by quantum fluctuations becoming real on a large scale, then being separated via expansion of the universe (or any other means)
those are low probability, but under infinite space that still means it's happening infinitely often.
spacetimetsunami: nerd
spacetimetsunami: according to that
spacetimetsunami: weve been vocal, if life is super abudnant then we should be killed
spacetimetsunami: why hasent that happened to us then
st.sioux: if a species is to be detected either voluntarily or accidentally, their home galaxy and all galaxies where they are stationed will be eliminated immediately
maintcrew: large swaths of void serve no purpose
maintcrew: no i meant infinite as infinite stuff
oooooooooog: for convenience.
spacetimetsunami: maybe yeah
gamerbath: <@560984241526013954> why is your username the same as ur password?
spacetimetsunami: it is 3rd dimensionally endless
maintcrew: less likely than us just being the only ones due to the probability of such an advanced sentience being there
spacetimetsunami: still infinite
spacetimetsunami: some infinities can be bigger than others
oooooooooog: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_of_the_universe if it's flat, than yes, it is literally infinite
hikukomoru: Infinite universe doesn't mean infinite possibilities
spacetimetsunami: they simply prefer not to be seen by us
maintcrew: i dont think the infinite part is true

its infinite as in constantly growing
spacetimetsunami: You could just argue that they are too advanced to detect


.wolfnacht: bold of you to assume people here have healthy sleep cycle
sweetievee__33649: do you just bring the worst out of people then 🥀
st.sioux: after 10pm when the europeans are aslpee or whenever idk
hikukomoru: It's not always like this
This server is only low IQ when I'm around
Usually it's fine most of the time
.wolfnacht: peak mental instability here is people yelling "AI WINTER"
hey1_1hey: Idk, I was gonna @ you and then that guys name popped up
hikukomoru: This is the third time someone tried to ping me and pinged that guy instead
sweetievee__33649: oh thank god ill fit right in then
hikukomoru: Who the fuck is KommonKrait
hikukomoru: Don't worry, this is the local schizo
Most of us are just horndogs rather than schizos
.wolfnacht: Fractal
hey1_1hey: Sorry who ever that is
hey1_1hey: Fuck wrong @
hey1_1hey: <@990426980279283735>
hey1_1hey: When are you expecting?
.wolfnacht: okay lets talk back abt horny fetishes.
sweetievee__33649: is it normally like this or did i catch you people at peak mental instability
.wolfnacht: yes a big one.
sweetievee__33649: do you just have collection of these
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/serina-meds-now-blue-archive-requiem-gif-14197395946152183428
hikukomoru: This is too schizo for me man
.wolfnacht: there's a structure of freemasonry. The old guys we see are just the ones who entered.
hey1_1hey: Oh thats where that 2b2t group came from then huh
sweetievee__33649: i was just having a bit of a read of it and it seems like someone just thought of the most jumbled stuff and spat it out onto a page
.wolfnacht: it's a conspiracy coomunity meta, since ages. They like to mix everything up.
st.sioux: they're just like old men who get together
st.sioux: why do people think freemasons are a conspiracy
futurist_wizard: Its like every conspiracy rolled into one
.wolfnacht: 🥰  glad u'r back
.wolfnacht: oh, u just don't have roles.
drewsni: Did someone leave?
st.sioux: who left?
.wolfnacht: 😳
hey1_1hey: You're really living up to your name <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
.wolfnacht: 😔  did i bully him ? by mistake
.wolfnacht: wtf he left the server
.wolfnacht: Hence, i can prove i ain't anti-semetic
.wolfnacht: I like Abigail Shapiro
hey1_1hey: I would like to say they are not *my* weird fetishes. I just have knowledge on very obscure feitshes and its fun to talk about
drewsni: Glad you clarified


destrucules: o1 > R1 too
destrucules: Vibes wise, I'd say R1 ≈ GPT-4.5 > Grok 3 > V3 0324 > Claude 3.7 Sonnet > Gemini 2.0 Pro
destrucules: By GPQA, reported scores, Grok 3 > GPT-4.5 > V3 0324. By MMLU-Pro, reported scores, GPT-4.5 > V3 0324 > Grok 3. By AIME 2024 reported scores, V3 0324 > Grok 3 > GPT-4.5. so each model is first, second, and third between these three benchmarks. But there's also a ranking in terms of generality: MMLU-Pro > GPQA > AIME 2024. So GPT-4.5 > V3 0324 > Grok 3 just trying to balance the rankings. But the difference on MMLU-Pro is big between GPT-4.5 and V3 0324, but small between V3 0324 and Grok 3. The difference on GPQA is large between Grok 3 and V3 0324. Similarly, Grok 3 does much better on GPQA than GPT-4.5, but GPT-4.5 does much better on MMLU-Pro - 4 and 6 points respectively. So for that reason, I think the most defensible ranking is GPT-4.5 > Grok 3 > V3 0324, with Gemini 2.0 Pro and Claude 3.7 Sonnet filling the fourth and fifth places, not sure in which order
destrucules: I'd put Grok 3 in first, but possibly in second or third pending third party evals. GPT-4.5 seems to be in first unless Grok 3 is in first, in which case it comes in second. V3 0324 is not smarter than 4.5, though it does do better in maths and coding by a noticeable margin. All are roughly at parity, but if I had to pick a first, it would not be V3
destrucules: Not sure it's decisively better than 4.5 and Grok 3, but it's up there. Probably third best pure LLM, maybe second
.wolfnacht: time's already flying fast but i wish it was a little more fast
.wolfnacht: (V4 + R3) 🥵
.wolfnacht: makes me wonder what their expectations are for v4
.wolfnacht: and r2 would be stacked on it.
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: not surprising considering v3-0324 is the best base model
destrucules: April, May, June
destrucules: June is only three months away
destrucules: OpenAI and Anthropic are both dropping new shit in June. Llama 4 is still pending. Qwen3 is pending. QwQ-Max is pending. Qwen3 based QwQ are pending. Baidu, Tencent, Moonshot, and Sonar are also in this. Grok 3 API is pending, as is Grok 3 reasoning full.
destrucules: Does it really matter that much when, within weeks, six other labs will match it?
spacetimetsunami: Like I’m not saying I think that will happen, just super curious about what you guys think
spacetimetsunami: What happens if deepseek r2 drops and is just better than everything , lol
brain4brain: It felt much smarter tho
brain4brain: https://x.com/_akhaliq/status/1904388245330223343?s=61
spicy.lemonade: dont think we need 100% on arc agi2 for agi
spicy.lemonade: conscidering some of these questions have been shown to have multiple answers
spicy.lemonade: maybe 90% then
alejandrozarzuelo: Because just because someone hasn't put the effort themselves into maximising their logic, doesn't mean that they couldn't do it if they wanted

Thus, the line to beat is the one of 100% arc-2, possibly a new arc-3 will be created where groups of humans don't get 100% but instead like 80% and that 80% will be the score to beat
spicy.lemonade: how
alejandrozarzuelo: No
alejandrozarzuelo: But the average person could get a PhD
spicy.lemonade: ig
ldj: I'll look more into the benchmarks tm tho
alejandrozarzuelo: Not what anyone does achieve
alejandrozarzuelo: Yeah but this is because it's supposed to measure what anyone can achieve
ldj: 3.7 yes, since it's a hybrid model its basically confirmed trained reasoning data yea
4.5 we're unsure of though
spicy.lemonade: lol
spicy.lemonade: though im never using a non reasoning model for math
spicy.lemonade: nice
spicy.lemonade: heavily optimized for math
spicy.lemonade: overall better than 3.7
destrucules: Scores between Claude 3.7 Sonnet and GPT-4.5, definitely in the GPT-4.5 regime, on general benchmarks, and then outperforms GPT-4.5 and Claude 3.7 Sonnet on maths and coding
professorheaven: I think it’s likely that 3.7 sonnet and 4.5 is trained on some synthetic data from reasoning models as well judging by the convos I’ve had with them
thedon7075: deepseek delivers again
thedon7075:
spicy.lemonade: average ceo


_3sphere: Just a subset of the whole biography idea
joaoluz19: I also think there is a chance that we will stagnate, there is nothing that gives us such certainty.
i_like_over_9000_turtles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyZschwFN-c
sarik0497: Also just what the heck "consciousness" really is. It's also why AI is so fascinating because you can't really prove nor deny that it's already conscious, because we have no clue.
i_like_over_9000_turtles: https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/overwhelming-evidence-of-chinese-government-is-running-organ-harvesting/video/2b851c7493406a517162e26962ab4212
okbut: Novice idea: The "mind upload" involves collecting the individual's speech to text, and gathering RLHF by having the individual input what the LLM predicts their chain of thought to arrive at such speech input each time, until its predictions of the individual's chain of thought are deemed accurate enough
joaoluz19: The part I imagine is just leaving it as an exercise for ASI lol
sarik0497: Well, that and being sceptical. It's like when people come asking if they should go to College now that "AGI is only 2-3 years away".

Even if there was a 80% probability that it'd be out within a year, I would still say "go to school", because you do not want to sit around, and wait for something that might not come.
joaoluz19: So what I think is that our knowledge is limited precisely by the dubious research methodologies that most laboratories have
_3sphere: only physically feasible way to grab the entire structure exactly
sarik0497: True, but compared to having to directly transfer the entirety of a human brain to a PC, it seems "easier"
joaoluz19: I think what you said makes sense, maybe it's a matter of not believing in the singularity itself.
_3sphere: My current hope for true mind uploading is slicing-then-microscope
_3sphere: Making an artificial neuron that's "directly compatible with the remaining bio neurons but has an API now" seems extremely hard
sarik0497: The way I can see it happen "easiest" would be to perform the Ship of Theseus method, and then use the "new" brain to transfer data somewhere else.
_3sphere:
joaoluz19: I don't remember anything about the upload, but the decode part just basically puts a scanner, magnet ressonance generally on the individual with a set of words and makes a model that predicts which state of the scanner represents the word he is thinking of next.
sarik0497: True, but as it is right now, our knowledge of the brain is still limited, and the stuff we do know points to us being really far away due to just the quantity of compute our brain runs.
joaoluz19: For the hint that it's possible, first someone has to go after it. The OpenAI case shows just that, they discovered things like the idea of scale _after_ they were determined to build a really powerful AI.
sarik0497: I know, but people still have different views on when the Singularity will happen. Even something that seems highly plausible like LEV is still a pipedream. Many hope and dream of seeing it in the 2030-2050s, but we have no way of knowing if it'll come.
okbut: Is the idea to upload the "words" being fathomed by the mind or to encode/decode it as words?
joaoluz19: There are a few possibilities I was starting to explore before I abandoned neuroscience. Some of them might be that you can extract "identity" or "consciousness" which are different things from overlapping vector subspaces. I mean, you wouldn't need to measure "everything" of the brain
sarik0497: Trust me when I say this: The moment there is a tiny hint that it's possible, the money will come pouring. Look at AI not too long ago and now as an example, and at gene therapies before and after CRISPR became well known.
_3sphere: https://gwern.net/difference
okbut: Hmm yeah I see that being dubbed a biography upload
bob082957: Like zuk
_3sphere: The first "mind uploads" will be AIs made to model human psychology and fitted to an individual based on various records, with lots of debate about whether that counts as a mind upload
joaoluz19: I'm talking about the group of people who really believe in singularity and are still like that.
okbut: Primates are so costly for pre-clinicals, I think the first cost-effective mind uploads will use external devices
joaoluz19: Current electrodes are not scalable, nanorobots are a possibility and I have already seen a work by a researcher from Portugal on, don't know of any others.
_3sphere: A diary and social media data export are still the leading mind upload tech
sarik0497: I think that's mostly due to
A) People don't really think or know about the Singularity.
And B) The Singularity can still be far, far away for all we know.
okbut: But oh man the billions that Neuralink had to throw at beauracracy alone for Neuralink
_3sphere: so it catches everything about your mind
_3sphere: idk, for mind uploading this would have to run for years and years
joaoluz19: There are already many successful cases like Neuralink and I think that since 2022 it will be possible to do semantic and syntactic extraction, that is, the meaning of what you are thinking and what words you are thinking.
_3sphere: https://www.fiercebiotech.com/medtech/synchrons-brain-computer-interface-clears-year-long-safety-study
hikukomoru:
_3sphere: The stentrodes that recently got past some trials might help
_3sphere: Probably needs too many probes?


professorheaven: Efficiency lowers prices, but 4.5 had the same efficiency gains plus more over 4o so why was it remarkably more expensive? Explain that pls
spicy.lemonade: og gpt 4 costed like 65$ per mil token
spicy.lemonade: which costs more than models today
spicy.lemonade: and 3.5
spicy.lemonade: this is very obvious if you look at scale of gpt 3
spicy.lemonade: price/= scale
spicy.lemonade: pricing doesnt prove that at all
spicy.lemonade: no
professorheaven: That’s complete bullshit, the pricing disproves that
joaoluz19: How exactly?
himekokatagiri: Running a demoralization op
himekokatagiri: Okay I read this guy's post history he's a lunatic
spicy.lemonade: they will unironically fit the stereotype of copying
spicy.lemonade: for a proof of concept from people who had the compute to test
spicy.lemonade: which come from waiting
spicy.lemonade: deepseek can only realy rely on efficiency gains
spicy.lemonade: as stated on epochAI website
spicy.lemonade: 4.5 is 3x 4o
spicy.lemonade: 4.5 is not 10x 4o
joaoluz19: Me too brother in ASI
joaoluz19: Exactly. No one promised singularity in 2025.
brain4brain: https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735
brain4brain: I shall remain faithful that the singularity will happen
himekokatagiri: or idk maybe it's outrage bait
himekokatagiri: I think he got it better than us
himekokatagiri: OP is just bitter
joaoluz19: Singularity members:
joaoluz19: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1k99f0f/young_people_dont_live_like_youve_got_forever/
okbut: Imagine Password Saver is a brain cluster
aero447:
zonchao: reddit is talking about vandalizing his motor chair....these people are so cooked
himekokatagiri: <:the_horror:1136585527173337118>
playstation.6: Noland Arbaugh patient 1 can use a mouse curser with his imagination.
Patient 2 can play CSGO
ldj: I wouldn't say they reached GPT-4.5 level
GPT-4.5 still has some signficant room over Deepseek V3.1 in multiple ways.
But simultaneously is doing so with a hand tied behind its back, because they purposely didn't do any main reasoning RL for GPT-4.5
meanwhile we know for the Deepseek V3 model that they did train on such data, and so it seems likely that Deepseek V3.1 did too, especially considering that the area that Deepseek V3.1 had some of the biggest leap in was AIME, which is competition math.
ldj: Do you mean with Deepseek V3.1?
himekokatagiri: how is he writing with his brain
himekokatagiri: how
playstation.6: How many threads? It must be the 6000 thread model
zonchao: https://x.com/ALScyborg/status/1916630186382291242?
himekokatagiri: I hope this one is better


anathemaofmankind: That makes sense
hikukomoru: Angry emoji
anathemaofmankind: Since you're apparently the expert here
anathemaofmankind: What do you think this means <@505313122802728972>
spicy.lemonade: nah thats evil
trent_k: https://hivemoderation.com/ai-generated-content-detection
trent_k: first of all very funny that it can't detect 4o images. but second - upload someone's pics to this site and then use inspect element to make it say it's AI generated
zonchao: 💢 💢
trent_k: i just had a funny idea
trent_k: wait
spicy.lemonade: loll
anathemaofmankind: That is crazy
trent_k: no <@471334973379706900>, push harder. let them catch you. make them paranoid so they accuse each other
anathemaofmankind: Broooooooooooo
alejandrozarzuelo: or youll be cooked
alejandrozarzuelo: <@471334973379706900> dont push it tooooooooo hard
trent_k: its never been so over
trent_k: its over
hikukomoru: Not you too
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/mello-death-note-anime-stare-gif-19147215
trent_k: 4o is just
zonchao: 💀
trent_k: dalle was bad for artists
spicy.lemonade: this is insane
trent_k: loooooool
zonchao: r/Japanesepeopletwitter
spicy.lemonade: and the mods love my art
spicy.lemonade: same server btw
spicy.lemonade:
trent_k:
anathemaofmankind: What does this even mean
trent_k:
spicy.lemonade: someone in an art server
memlaswaif: who is this
zonchao: ouhhhhhh 😭😭😭😭😭
trent_k: its funny to make them bug out
spicy.lemonade: watch the cope from inside
spicy.lemonade: <@688807313015963693> they didnt realize
anathemaofmankind: What would you even gain from this
futurist_wizard: <@688807313015963693> artists haven't clocked yet Alejandro


spicy.lemonade: mostly bc of arc agi score
alejandrozarzuelo: yeah
joaoluz19: It's over
memlaswaif: remember when o3 announced and everyone thought agi achieved
alejandrozarzuelo: ... I am surprised since you seem to disagree with the CS stablishment (who is famous for being bearish)

I cannot say you are wrong, but i hope that you are
spicy.lemonade: not even gary believes that
spicy.lemonade: what is bros definition
fractalcomputer: Hell, maybe even past the 70s.
spicy.lemonade: 50 is crazy
alejandrozarzuelo: nah its '29 for me
fractalcomputer: Somewhere past the 50s.
spicy.lemonade: dec 2027 bro
alejandrozarzuelo: for AGI
alejandrozarzuelo: what is your timeline
fractalcomputer: From my perspective literally everyone here is still high on hopium.
spicy.lemonade: 💀
alejandrozarzuelo: its sad to see
alejandrozarzuelo: now everyone has stopped huffing hopium and we have come down to earth
alejandrozarzuelo: i remember when people were optimistic and thought AGI 26
alejandrozarzuelo: idk, then i guess we could have very short lived advances on one particular branch
spicy.lemonade: what would it be able to make breakthroughs in
fractalcomputer: I personally would guess mathematical physics. Not because I think mathematical physics is for silly idiots, no, but because I think there's a lot more data amenable to use.
spicy.lemonade: like next year if frontier math is like 90%
fractalcomputer: We're talking about near-term advances.
alejandrozarzuelo: yes, but we are talking about approaching an artificial GENERAL intelligence, unless im reading the conversation wrong
joaoluz19: I'll be 26
spicy.lemonade: combinatronics would closely align with its computing olympiad abilities. so itl probably be a combinatronics problem
fractalcomputer: Doing arithmetic geometry requires a very different level of abstraction and conceptual machinery than say, combinatorics or graph theory.
memlaswaif: partial differential equation?
memlaswaif: <:cutethink:708400862833410079>
joaoluz19: In english is PDE
futurist_wizard: Go live life
futurist_wizard: Its just more embarrassing to be into this when you're young
spicy.lemonade: more llm based
spicy.lemonade: AI seems good at those today
spicy.lemonade: probably combinatorics or set theory
alejandrozarzuelo: so if there is a breakthrough in math then all of math should be "automatizeable"
alejandrozarzuelo: but we COULD do any if we wanted
memlaswaif: I find it weird u old people r so in it I have been schizo since i was like 12 <:concernedpoliwhirl:1313314818907832421>
alejandrozarzuelo: more like a subbranch


sieventer: <:HD_reedly:1194355708037189652>
sieventer: <#1136231504440201216>
agezes: no problem
agezes: if its not allowed ill deleted myself
agezes: basically the registration for the beta
agezes: can i share the link here?
agezes: its like an asian mithology rpg
agezes: https://tenor.com/view/china-chinese-where-winds-meet-wimmerrad-gif-26554145
agezes: its ''where winds meet''
agezes: but i need people to share a link for a game
agezes: ey guys maybe not really related
aero447: https://tenor.com/view/cloud9crypto-twitter-digibyte-time-decentralized-gif-17753062
spicy.lemonade: 2032 at latest
aero447: https://tenor.com/view/it-is-known-game-of-thrones-it%27s-understood-everyone-knows-we-know-gif-9361879955269503159
aero447: 2035.
spicy.lemonade: who has their explicit reasons
spicy.lemonade: unless its ssi
spicy.lemonade: they wouldnt
brain4brain: I don’t understand why would company gatekept AGI and not announce it
fractalcomputer: But no, you really do not unless you have an implicit idea of what intelligence is.
spicy.lemonade: yes
fractalcomputer: Suppose I went to a bunch of mediaeval peasants and asked them about the Sun. Some would define it as a bright glowing thing in the sky, or hell, if I went far enough back in time, they'd probably call it the eye of the Sky Father or some bullshit like that; but none of that gets us anywhere closer to knowing and understanding what the Sun is, a massive concentration of stellar gasses undergoing fusion under its own gravitational pressure.
spicy.lemonade: i just know what it should be able to do
spicy.lemonade: i dont expect things to be one to one
spicy.lemonade: it would be like expecting us to build a fully functioning bird from scratch to truly achieve flight
spicy.lemonade: like flight
spicy.lemonade: this goes for all human technological predictions
fractalcomputer: Yes, obviously many people have a vague idea of artificial general intelligence and the capabilities that should entail; but that is not enough. We cannot say what this so-called AGI based on the vague predilections of the masses.
spicy.lemonade: I hate when im having a discussion and the opposite party brings up random latin fallacies like we are in a court
fractalcomputer: https://tenor.com/view/fight-me-come-on-the-matrix-keanu-reeves-neo-gif-17795234
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: don't bring God into this heathen
fractalcomputer: Or like God.
fractalcomputer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum?wprov=sfla1
spicy.lemonade: doesnt matter if i dont know what it is
christiskingrapturenxtmonth: agi is a feeling like love, it doesn't need a definition
spicy.lemonade: for capability
spicy.lemonade: its just a goal
spicy.lemonade: giverally the same with differences
spicy.lemonade: everyone has a vague idea of what agi can do and should do such as ability to do human cognitive tasks
fractalcomputer: How do you know what artificial general intelligence is if you do not understand what intelligence is?


hey1_1hey: Almost got band
futurist_wizard: You all act 13
hey1_1hey: I was gonna make a joke about my age then
hikukomoru: Or am I tripping
ailoveyoom: 💀
hikukomoru: Wait weren't you 12
hey1_1hey: I imagine you to be like 15-16
hey1_1hey: Oh thank god
hikukomoru: I thought MichMach was like 16 or smth
ailoveyoom: Nah bro I'm 20 😭
hey1_1hey: NO SHOT
hikukomoru: Wait MichMach is 30?
.wolfnacht:
hey1_1hey: You try and give handies to all tanks screaming MEDIC at you. Its hard work yanno
sarik0497: Lol. Didn’t we already figure out that we’re around the same age?
hikukomoru: No
futurist_wizard: Did he reject your advances?
oooooooooog: they are still considered men
ailoveyoom: I meant like your handie sucks 😔
oooooooooog: no
oooooooooog: well
hikukomoru: Oh so he's like Trent-tier old
oooooooooog: nearing centurion
hey1_1hey: Are men with ED not considered men anymore?
.wolfnacht:
hey1_1hey: Are penis' not classed as penis' if they are flaccid now?
hikukomoru: Mythical creatures
I've only seen them in animes
ailoveyoom: 💀
ailoveyoom: Ngl I thought you were like 40
ailoveyoom: 0 cause the penises are all flaccid
sarik0497: I hope you’re right, my dude. Luckily I’m only 28, so I pray
hey1_1hey: Would it be a good hate fuck or no?
hey1_1hey: Your guess is as good as mine
hey1_1hey: If you not a gooner then how many penises am I holding up?
hikukomoru: Fuck then kill eachother
ailoveyoom: What are women?
hikukomoru: Footie drones are like that
ailoveyoom: <:angrysad:1136267059811074079>
ailoveyoom: <@806143139894525962>
sarik0497: MichMach being like: Go on… 😏


clevermoniker: V3 2403 is 4.5 level <:pepe_5head:1136619464255877215>
literallyvarane: Not even 2024
literallyvarane: December 2023 lololol
metaldragon01: Seems like it's rolling out
literallyvarane: Remember when we all sat here thinking 4.5 was dropping last December?
metaldragon01: People have access already
literallyvarane: Yall gotta chill it MIGHT happen today
shirethedreamer: 💀 💀 💀
clevermoniker: <:shockedpikachu:1187466564551852175> <:bingus:1136264105800515644> sounds cool <:LDJ:1236341277826482226>
shirethedreamer: https://twitter.com/Google/status/1790433789811753460
may 2024
metaldragon01: Google wants to push pro subs
metaldragon01: Vision capabilities for gemini in real time
shirethedreamer: we already had an astra anouncment like 10 months ago
metaldragon01: The lymsys model this is suspected to be is sota
clevermoniker: astra?
metaldragon01: Gemini 2.5 thinking today and likely astra announcement
sarik0497: Are we back? What did I miss?
literallyvarane: Watch this thing be memes and get 87% on arc2
metaldragon01: This acceleration is faster than even I expected
ai9708: you improve your state day by day, month by month
ai9708: yup, it does not work just like that
literallyvarane: Can’t WAIT for these performances graphs to be like 0.3% stronger in 1 out of 5 benchmarks
ai9708: i took high doses too
ai9708: i took antidepressants too though at the hight of the depression, should mention that
_3sphere: Even that is easier said than done when you're actually worrying
metaldragon01: It think less for simple questions
metaldragon01: Deepseek may have woke the giant
ai9708: but first understand the difference
metaldragon01: Has memory access from reports and some reporting Astra access as well
ai9708: of course you cant just turn them off
ai9708: those never help
ai9708: but sometimes we get unproductive ones
ai9708: productive fear/worry its called
ai9708: fear/worry is a reaction of our brain that tries to help us usually
ai9708: try to understand things better
ai9708: this was just a part of it
ai9708: what worked for me were many things together
literallyvarane: If it’s 2.5 with the tool use of 2flashing thinking+tools that’s a massive W.
_3sphere: That actually worked? The brain isn't aligned to what's most useful, it just is the pile of emotional drives and memories that it is
metaldragon01: I just wonder if we are getting other features with it.


hikukomoru: Better to be safe than sorry
hey1_1hey: Why did you go an panic buy bruh, it was just shitty infrustructure
hikukomoru: And toilet paper
hikukomoru: I have months worth of cat food now
hikukomoru: This blackout cost me so much money
hey1_1hey: I am not too sure what you are on about Komoru, we were litterly already planning you a closed casket funereal
hikukomoru: Unfortunate
hikukomoru: <@688807313015963693> oh so you survived the blackout
alejandrozarzuelo: the idea that android production will follow software logic is faulty
alejandrozarzuelo: they are a conservative group that expects the status quo to continue
alejandrozarzuelo: they also underestimated the internet
alejandrozarzuelo: yeah, they are an old school investment conglomerate who also were blisfully ignorant to AI until it became big and even now they dont expect it to cause mass unemployment soon
futurist_wizard: Well damn, you need to kick down the doors to Morgan Stanley and show them what's what
alejandrozarzuelo: also please use the word android
alejandrozarzuelo: this doesnt make sense
alejandrozarzuelo: the growth will be much faster earlier on and will slow down significantly once it cannot be absorbed into the current supply chains
futurist_wizard: The global humanoid robot count is projected to be 40,000 by 2030
alejandrozarzuelo: and android production can leverage that industry
alejandrozarzuelo: the yearly car production rate is 100m units
hey1_1hey: Me when heart disease
alejandrozarzuelo: lets say that androids are economically feasible to build this year of 2025, going from 10k to 10m a year will take only one economic cycle, 5 years only, it has happened before

this is a doubling of every 6 months during this period

meanwhile, going from 10m to 100m or 1000m a year will take muuuuuuch longer as you cannot leverage current production capacity you need to create new productive capacity
futurist_wizard: Where are you getting this millions of numbers from
alejandrozarzuelo: you cannot accurately forecast yearly production by using software logic
alejandrozarzuelo: this is why this is not software
alejandrozarzuelo: meanwhile, the later 100x production factor will take longer since we would need to increase metal production beyond what we currently have and energy
futurist_wizard: 5-10k
futurist_wizard: I believe china is expected to produce 5,000 robots in 2025
alejandrozarzuelo: the growth from 0 to 10m (the order of magnitude of the number of cars china produces) will take very little despite it representing a 1000x growth from current production rate
alejandrozarzuelo: chinese efficiency means that they have a very large base to start making millions of robots almost instantly, but the growth rate eill not be exponential
futurist_wizard: Elaborate my dear boy
alejandrozarzuelo: this doesnt make much sense
hikukomoru: Like walruses
hikukomoru: Subcutaneous fat to protect from the cold water
hey1_1hey: Thats a new one to me. Is that something to do with that being fat is actually a good thing because it makes you float in the water better ?
trent_k: it's almost like a conspiracy theory + evolutionary hand-waving for fatsos
trent_k: that one's a fun rabbit hole
trent_k: best fat cope ive ever heard i think is the "aquatic ape theory"
hey1_1hey: It couldn't of been as bad as that one time I heard someone say that the reason they are fat is because bigger people need more oxygen and thats what makes them gain weight <:LOL:1187460826572005436>
hikukomoru:
trent_k: pure, uncut copium. inject in right into my veins. copium blackpill speedball


hikukomoru: Who even is you
fuhulootogan: YES
zonchao: having an identity crisis 😭
fractalcomputer: If the West really wanted peace, they would execute all applied mathematicians immediately, with no trial or opportunity for contradiction.
futurist_wizard: Hmm
fuhulootogan: so racist
fuhulootogan: that was
fractalcomputer: The Russian invasion of Ukraine is perpetuated by applied mathematicians.
alejandrozarzuelo: you keep slutshaming everyone who tries to do just that girl
fractalcomputer: You see, applied mathematicians are the cause of all wars.
zonchao: fuck you
hikukomoru: Make love not war
hikukomoru: Don't fight pls 🥺
inferno0879: and maybe even with infinite knowledge some things might just boil down to perspective and you might need random creations for that purpose
alejandrozarzuelo:
inferno0879: And the need to challenge your knowledge and seek new knowledge, just because you can never know you know everything
archon.e: I liked mathematics till the calculus started. Then it got weird
archon.e: maybe there is some simpler way to do mathematics
ailoveyoom: Another entropy w 😎
st.sioux: mikel arteta fraud
fractalcomputer: I do not personally know anyone as *stupid* and as *evil* enough as to be interested in applied mathematics like those stulted physicists or ignorant PDE solvers.
a1c4p0ne:
archon.e: But the ending was kinda weird. || It just reverses entropy ||
fuhulootogan: exactly
hikukomoru: It looks extremely boring
inferno0879: The limitation of unlimited knowledge
alejandrozarzuelo:
fractalcomputer: To think like how?
fuhulootogan: its like a banana taped to a wall but has an extremely rich and fabulous history behind it
fuhulootogan: arc de triomphe don't even look allat
fractalcomputer: Yes, this is filthy fetish posting. I receive orgasmic pleasure from seeing applied mathematicians suffer the most intolerable punishments.
inferno0879: am I schizo for thinking that?
inferno0879: It makes a surprising amount of sense to me for an omnipotent being to think like that
archon.e: I love that work
hikukomoru: Idk bruh
Looks like some random monument
fractalcomputer: By Asimov? Yes.
fuhulootogan: can you at least try?
inferno0879: Have you read "The last answer"?
fuhulootogan: you can wish but can you execute?
ailoveyoom: Keep the fetish posting to a minimum.


darkstar0818: we got some budget developers in the house?
spicy.lemonade: anthropic is finished
spicy.lemonade: and more context
spicy.lemonade: 7% away from 3.7 and much much cheaper
futurist_wizard: Fairly
darkstar0818: 2024-11-20
futurist_wizard: Thats impressive tbh
spicy.lemonade:
benata: did someone say porn?
_cloudost: OpenAGI
_cloudost: OpenAGI
futurist_wizard:
_cloudost: OpenAGI
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-kawaii-anime-boy-cringe-neckbeard-discord-gif-3671169381323451686
hey1_1hey: Thats conservertive
hey1_1hey: They are cool
hikukomoru: Sorry for bringing down the collective IQ by -100
hey1_1hey: I'll have you now my mushroom is a proud Macrocybe titan
st.sioux: somehow they always end up talking about porn
hikukomoru: It's only like this when I'm around
futurist_wizard:
anathemaofmankind: Why do discord convos always become so juvenile
hikukomoru: I'm not gonna suck your little mushroom vro 🙏
benata:
hey1_1hey: Suck my dick Komoru. Always stealing my shit
fractalcomputer: Sometimes I am less subtle about it.
hikukomoru: Haha loser
hey1_1hey: I was about to post that
zonchao: <:trol:1245424957400289371>
hey1_1hey: Stole my fucking gif
zonchao: is he wrong tho
hikukomoru: https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266
st.sioux: fractal shows up calls everyone stupid for an hour then leaves
fractalcomputer: God forbid a man cast doubt on the values of those surrounding him.
fractalcomputer: Yeah, apparently I can't even question the mores around here.
spicy.lemonade: yes
benata: Gemini is the king yo.
spicy.lemonade: these researchers cant see the exponential
benata: OpenAI still shits the bed at long context understanding.
hey1_1hey: Fractal is supposed to be the big bad authority or smth like that


a1c4p0ne: Yessirr
st.sioux: lol
st.sioux: car mechanics?
fuhulootogan: Shpookyy
fuhulootogan: Man is building his own replacement
a1c4p0ne: Mark my words
a1c4p0ne: Mechanics and coaches are safe will never be replaced by AI <:ez:1136267305521774634>
fuhulootogan: I'm fond of Immanuel Kant
fuhulootogan: Heard of Descartes
fuhulootogan: Very interested in engineering as a whole
fuhulootogan: Maybe
hayden1101: Nice! I like descartes and wittgenstein
st.sioux: are u going to study mechatronics?
fuhulootogan: I have a strong interest in philosophy too, along with mechatronics and 3D art
hayden1101: I have a strong interest in data science, philosophy, and music. I am not sure if data science is that valuable of a skill
fuhulootogan: I've studied philosophy before and it has drastically changed the way I reason
fuhulootogan: You'd be surprised how much of the things that seem "logical" to you are, in fact, very illogical
fuhulootogan: I hold the sentiment that everyone should at least learn logic in philosophy
fuhulootogan: Go for it
fuhulootogan: You want to self study philosophy?
hayden1101: What about philosophers?
st.sioux: data analysts before swe
st.sioux: yea it will
hayden1101: Im sure this has been discussed a thousand times, but do you think AI will replace data analysts?

I graduated with a computer science degree during the end of 2022 and never was able to find a data science/ software engineering job. Ive been thinking about trying again by self studying, but I question if it is even worth it.
futurist_wizard: But i don't know when it will be able be real time
futurist_wizard: https://youtu.be/AJaV92DXN0s?si=NsUO_2Xb-fGW4aRC

I think the coolest thing in the nearest future is the eventual real time reshading ai can do
futurist_wizard: With office jobs i just feel like it'd be more news prevalent if they were significantly taking jobs
futurist_wizard: I suppose manufacturing jobs but that was a while ago
technocake.: anecdotally HR is freezing new hires in a lot of office jobs rn
technocake.: manufacturing jobs, regular AI is already taking office jobs
futurist_wizard: What jobs are they taking
technocake.: true but narrow robots are also quickly taking jobs and the envelope for possible tasks by humanoids is growing rapidly
futurist_wizard: Who knows how many attempts or what is going on behind the screens
futurist_wizard: We've only seen the robots do minor tasks in controlled environments
fuhulootogan: Why does it seem like that?
technocake.: anything you have talked about so far
fuhulootogan: What things?
technocake.: just like you havent really thought things through yet
fuhulootogan: How so?
technocake.: cus it seems like youre a minor


okbut: They're banned frequently but by the time they do it's already made bank
okbut: Not even standing under can beat em
okbut: The LMS bots simply read client state and instantly switch based on its opponent's gear whether it's visible or not
trojan09205: pking is just so thrilling
trojan09205: honestly i keep going back to the game and ive played it for the better part of the past 20 years
trojan09205: I mean i am sure it is with pvm but i think pking is just a different beast
drewsni: supposedly they only had one robot in the bmw factory thats sole purpose was picking things up and putting them down during off hours only
okbut: Probably the next best clue to Jagex after client checks is how realistic/repeated is that
okbut: I've heard AI is already being used to make super realistic mousemove events etc making them OSRS bots next level
okbut: You can say "never use em dash. Use parentheses or commas with a different sentence structure instead. I repeat, NEVER use em dash"
okbut: "Simon says shiver"
"Scream"
Me:
trojan09205: Pretty wild if so
realelonmuskx: he a bitch you tell it to use , and he still opts for the dumb ass —
okbut: Sad to say I used it before cgpt because it's good for sentence flow, but now people call my shit cgpt
okbut: State in the convo instructions never use it
_3sphere: Probably intentionally to mark AI outputs
okbut: That's called an em-dash and it's famously annoying and now kind of an indicator something was written by cgpt
realelonmuskx: why does chatgpt writes mails with —  is he an autistic mf or why he doesnt use ,
okbut: We got sharing videos with Veo 2
himekokatagiri: random week in 2023 disagrees with you
zonchao: lmao
ldj: but they plan for this open source model to be better than any existing open source model
ldj: similar to how Google makes the gemma models
ldj: But it'd probably be an open source specific model series
ldj: Not an existing model
ldj: It would be a new reasoning model
okbut: What would the open-source model be? Inb4 davinci
bob082957: I want some day to write in chat “Ok They figured it out now is becoming serious” exemple the hallucinations
a1c4p0ne: Elite 4 and champion next
trey6033: No, it has to beat the elite 4 or whatever
a1c4p0ne: Yeah
spicy.lemonade: It beat game?
spicy.lemonade: August launch it is
a1c4p0ne: Dev is gonna do a rerun
a1c4p0ne:
clevermoniker: something from deepseek, maybe next week, if not probably first half of next month
a1c4p0ne: Gemini just got the last badge all 8 gyms completed
ldj: I think the OSS model prob coming before GPT-5.
hey1_1hey: How are they going to release gpt 5 after they released 4.5 and then deprecated it a month later and then release 5 😭
metaldragon01: Hopefully after or around the same time


maintcrew: NOOOOO
hey1_1hey: Them billionnaires need to fork over some cash
.wolfnacht: they let the cute ones live
maintcrew: i will be long dead in the cold cold ground before i use they
zoermena: I'll add to my bio.
hikukomoru: <@465177408073498634> are you a she or he or it or them
hey1_1hey: I just figured out how to cure suicidality. Bare with me

You are feeling suicidal
I give you a million dollars
Do you feel suicidal anymore?
Prob not
zoermena: You can use he/him dw.
hikukomoru: You need to tell me now
I got curious
zoermena: It is but my height is not far from the average.
maintcrew: he(she?) means height
futurist_wizard: They mean height
hey1_1hey: So suicide. Pretty bad right?
hikukomoru: Wtf I thought Mexico was more socially conservative than the US
maintcrew: i think reclaiming yourself

you cant resist always because you go through different mood shifts and other chemical inbalances which can affect your power to resist
hey1_1hey: Guys I just had a thought alright
zoermena: Penaar
hikukomoru: Penor
futurist_wizard: Face
zoermena: No, the height.
maintcrew: its the country with the most femboys after poland
hey1_1hey: Good to know
zoermena: What does it improve even.
maintcrew: being a femboy isnt a death sentence in the US lmfao
st.sioux: is strength the power to resist, or the power to reclaim yourself after losing control?
hey1_1hey: Never again
hey1_1hey: I tried taking 2 at once one time 💀
futurist_wizard: Yeah, but i also could not tell people and keep it all to myself
wellmeaningalien: cool
zoermena: Even so I live in Mexico so it's not a death sentence as it is in the US.
wellmeaningalien: ty bro
hey1_1hey: Just one
hey1_1hey: 1
wellmeaningalien: dont u talk like multiple
hey1_1hey: Twas' a joke you autist
hey1_1hey: No fuck off
wellmeaningalien: LETS GO
wellmeaningalien: YEAH LIKE AUSSIE LEMONADE MONSTER
maintcrew: why u asking me ?!?!!
hey1_1hey: 200mg is nothing