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yeah, pretty much.
2018-03-05T19:49:10.000162
Floy
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Then you ask a regular software person this and they’re like NO SUCH THINGGG.
2018-03-05T19:49:27.000421
Winifred
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It’s really clear that there are so many variables and for some folks, luck.
2018-03-05T19:49:43.000211
Winifred
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Like for me, I’d have people say the darnest things. Now I’m 1.5 years in and it’s at the height of hiring, seems like it’s going stronger. I hope it stays that way. I definitely never wanted to be here, and 2 years in with this may look bad if you’re not way more advanced.
2018-03-05T19:50:51.000158
Winifred
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I’m looking as well, but also being picky too
2018-03-05T19:51:37.000138
Floy
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I can see why
2018-03-05T19:52:01.000092
Winifred
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How do they interview over there? Do they interview where the employer benefits?
2018-03-05T19:52:20.000320
Winifred
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basically where the potential employee is begging to get hired?
2018-03-05T19:52:32.000355
Winifred
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I really don’t know what that means?
2018-03-05T19:54:51.000149
Floy
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it really depends on the company, as always
2018-03-05T19:54:59.000016
Floy
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I notice a lot of companies that I’ve spoken to ask me a bunch of questions, leave little room for me to ask any questions. Go do a phone screen, same deal, onsite locked in the room for hours, same deal.
2018-03-05T19:56:58.000234
Winifred
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Most of my career is down to luck and having a good network
2018-03-05T19:57:00.000049
Garrett
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I do end up asking questions in some cases. Other cases there’s zero room for it.
2018-03-05T19:57:37.000019
Winifred
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So it’s more like they want to see how I perform first, then they’ll talk.
2018-03-05T19:57:50.000267
Winifred
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One company I spoke to last week started asking me about my current job, down to the number of people on the team, if I’m getting mentored, what’s the name of the product we are working on…
2018-03-05T19:58:27.000127
Winifred
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It was strange.
2018-03-05T19:58:36.000251
Winifred
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and “why do you want to leave”. Usually if someone asks what I’m looking for in my next role, the answer I give should suffice.
2018-03-05T19:59:27.000172
Winifred
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They asked both.
2018-03-05T19:59:30.000168
Winifred
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Most of the conversation was more or less that and then they said ok, now do a challenge, submit it in a day, go.
2018-03-05T20:01:04.000339
Winifred
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Doesn’t sit right at all.
2018-03-05T20:01:14.000179
Winifred
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usually you should have two interviews, maybe three
2018-03-05T20:01:28.000180
Floy
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introduction, company, people, job duties and such
2018-03-05T20:02:02.000251
Floy
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second interview is the technical
2018-03-05T20:02:25.000299
Floy
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you might be asked to do a demo project in between
2018-03-05T20:02:35.000073
Floy
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but yeah, this is a two way street, since you;re interviewing them
2018-03-05T20:02:49.000141
Floy
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as well as them interviewing you
2018-03-05T20:02:56.000096
Floy
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Would you say last week’s experience was kind of abnormal? Met them at a booth and they gave me their email for sending a resume. The recruiter was complaining that I came out of nowhere and needed to know granular details as to how my resume got to their face.
2018-03-05T20:04:04.000144
Winifred
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I try to extract the recruiter from the company, though it can be hard to, especially if it’s a small company… in general it’s still hard.
2018-03-05T20:04:38.000006
Winifred
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A simple "I was told to send in a resume by X at your booth at Y event" wasn't enough?
2018-03-05T20:05:41.000209
Garrett
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They ended up accepting that as a response, but at first, no. Recruiter even needed the names of whom I spoke to… as if it were a quiz or something. Then since they don’t know the specific person, they remarked how they only know one person by that name, and there’s no way they would have sent my resume to their interv...
2018-03-05T20:07:19.000278
Winifred
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Wow
2018-03-05T20:07:58.000212
Garrett
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:S maybe the whole company is like that
2018-03-05T20:08:03.000266
Winifred
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Sounds like a place worth avoiding
2018-03-05T20:08:04.000014
Garrett
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I really didn’t like the in-depth questions on my current employment…
2018-03-05T20:08:18.000182
Winifred
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I was pretty mad about that one, at some point I had said that it’s proprietary information.
2018-03-05T20:08:33.000288
Winifred
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Though I have experienced a gamut of interviewing foolishness, have to ask.
2018-03-05T20:08:59.000078
Winifred
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Yeah, they sound like a lot of trouble
2018-03-05T20:09:08.000280
Garrett
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I thought so too, good to confirm with others.
2018-03-05T20:09:19.000295
Winifred
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I remember years back google reached out to me and their recruiter told me I was a college drop out… so I avoid google. No need for the torture. Ironically, they blow up my phone every year or so.
2018-03-05T20:10:02.000121
Winifred
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I don't think Google cares too much about that anymore
2018-03-05T20:10:25.000007
Garrett
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Maybe you’re right. Ironically, I’m not a dropout. I happen to not have a CS degree but graduated with a STEM education.
2018-03-05T20:11:10.000283
Winifred
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Good for you
2018-03-05T20:11:29.000053
Garrett
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Some people show their lack of understanding though, biggest culture shock post school.
2018-03-05T20:11:47.000327
Winifred
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I mean, why would you _ever_ not get a CS degree? :face_with_monocle:
2018-03-05T20:12:22.000082
Garrett
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It’s funny, so many CS majors seem to be against the degree when I speak to them.
2018-03-05T20:12:56.000184
Winifred
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Life does change, some people start later. Some people tried it and didn’t understand it in college.
2018-03-05T20:13:27.000329
Winifred
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But >15 years on and I'm still doing alright
2018-03-05T20:13:33.000174
Garrett
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I was speaking to one of the founders of microsoft and a retired professor from school. They said back in the day there was no such thing.
2018-03-05T20:14:08.000058
Winifred
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Professor went into “CS” back when it meant women doing math as computers. She did that and didn’t like it. She then became a math teacher.
2018-03-05T20:14:41.000283
Winifred
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Well, yeah. Before white men got involved, "computers" were (mostly) women who did difficult math
2018-03-05T20:14:52.000197
Garrett
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lol
2018-03-05T20:14:59.000218
Garrett
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I think The Atlantic wrote about that
2018-03-05T20:15:05.000100
Winifred
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the math teacher didn’t like how gendered it was, and it was kind of boring to her.
2018-03-05T20:15:17.000088
Winifred
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It was also a big part of the (excellent) movie _Hidden Figures_
2018-03-05T20:15:22.000138
Garrett
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Uncle Bob had spoken about it too
2018-03-05T20:15:49.000158
Sadye
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When he started career it was mostly women above 40 who worked with computers
2018-03-05T20:16:11.000295
Sadye
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Couldn’t find the article. Too bad. I remember the article mentioning aptitude tests changed the gender ratio.
2018-03-05T20:17:11.000181
Winifred
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I like how you italicized the movie title, as it’s properly notated in context.
2018-03-05T20:17:57.000106
Winifred
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Most of the shift between genders seemed to have happened in the 80s
2018-03-05T20:18:09.000030
Garrett
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But, regardless, a CS degree definitely isn't necessary to succeed in this career
2018-03-05T20:18:36.000163
Garrett
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The article was called “How did tech become so male dominated” I think
2018-03-05T20:19:03.000303
Winifred
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yeah. some people here don’t have degrees or CS degrees
2018-03-05T20:19:09.000053
Floy
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for example, <@Rafael> has a finance degree
2018-03-05T20:19:17.000196
Floy
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me, I went to school for exercise physiology originally
2018-03-05T20:19:28.000157
Floy
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and shifted to CS once I hit O-chemistry
2018-03-05T20:19:36.000152
Floy
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could do it, hated every bit of it
2018-03-05T20:19:42.000246
Floy
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You started taking CS classes in college?
2018-03-05T20:22:19.000265
Winifred
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(also, given Uncle Bob's stance on, say, Google's firing of Damore, I'd rather not be associated with him. Thanks)
2018-03-05T20:22:43.000034
Garrett
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I have an engineer degree, but we've studied CS briefly at university. So I tend to say that I have CS degree :slightly_smiling_face:
2018-03-05T20:23:42.000173
Sadye
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What do you mean by "associated with him"?
2018-03-05T20:24:20.000204
Sadye
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This is all very awesome but I'm gonna just kindly shuffle y'all over to <#C64GEEM7U|job_advice>
2018-03-05T20:24:40.000196
Noel
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<@Sadye> what kinds of classes did you take? Which ones you actually found useful? I hear operating systems.
2018-03-05T20:25:06.000067
Winifred
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ok!
2018-03-05T20:25:12.000213
Winifred
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*stumbles into channel* as for me I didn't take any CS classes in college (BS in Information Systems Management) but I wish i had
2018-03-05T20:42:21.000181
Magdalene
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I've been picking up little bits here and there, but no formal training on any sort of language/theory/principles
2018-03-05T20:43:13.000002
Magdalene
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<@Magdalene> We moved this discussion to the <#C64GEEM7U|job_advice>, meet us there :wink:
2018-03-05T20:44:51.000282
Sadye
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<@Sadye> oh sorry about that!
2018-03-05T20:45:26.000220
Magdalene
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Use Python module `csv` to parse a csv file
2018-03-05T22:28:42.000013
Tammi
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can any one share example of nested if-else condition inside comprehension ?
2018-03-05T22:35:27.000179
Refugia
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do you mean something like ```items = ['apple', 'banana', 'pear', 'avocado', 'kiwi'] results = ['starts with a' if item.startswith('a') else 'doesnt start with a' for item in items]```
2018-03-05T22:46:23.000043
Noel
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which results in `['starts with a', 'doesnt start with a', 'doesnt start with a', 'starts with a', 'doesnt start with a']`
2018-03-05T22:46:46.000169
Noel
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you can nest like anything else but it gets pretty unreadable after more than one layer and i generally end up just chaining a few filter expressions sequentially
2018-03-05T22:47:38.000014
Noel
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either it gives me list of 20 values or 'float is not iterable error'
2018-03-05T22:54:14.000067
Refugia
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in the enumeration approach one if is part of inner for loop, and 2nd if is part of outer for loop.
2018-03-05T22:55:11.000266
Refugia
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when parsing a binary network protocol
2018-03-05T23:37:07.000052
Kurtis
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is it better to just recvall and then parse the individual messages
2018-03-05T23:37:31.000102
Kurtis
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rather than trying to recv , parse iterate
2018-03-05T23:38:02.000168
Kurtis
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<@Kurtis> are you asking about python? I believe python sockets do not have `recvall` method
2018-03-05T23:40:56.000002
Aleida
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dope!
2018-03-05T23:41:35.000107
Kurtis
pythondev_help_Kurtis_2018-03-05T23:41:35.000107
1,520,293,295.000107
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pythondev
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Thanks
2018-03-05T23:41:37.000062
Kurtis
pythondev_help_Kurtis_2018-03-05T23:41:37.000062
1,520,293,297.000062
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pythondev
help
this is sort of the pattern I am working off of
2018-03-05T23:41:59.000094
Kurtis
pythondev_help_Kurtis_2018-03-05T23:41:59.000094
1,520,293,319.000094
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pythondev
help
data = s.recv(4) while data: size = struct.unpack('I', data) payload = s.recv(size) data = s.recv(4) #If there is no data I hang here until timeout
2018-03-05T23:41:59.000208
Kurtis
pythondev_help_Kurtis_2018-03-05T23:41:59.000208
1,520,293,319.000208
37,515
pythondev
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Please use the snippet feature when sharing code :slightly_smiling_face: you can do so by clicking on the :heavy_plus_sign: on the left of the input box. For more information click <https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/204145658-Create-a-snippet|here>.
2018-03-05T23:42:29.000094
Hyo
pythondev_help_Hyo_2018-03-05T23:42:29.000094
1,520,293,349.000094
37,516
pythondev
help
Good bot
2018-03-05T23:42:42.000123
Aleida
pythondev_help_Aleida_2018-03-05T23:42:42.000123
1,520,293,362.000123
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pythondev
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:slightly_smiling_face:
2018-03-05T23:42:47.000057
Kurtis
pythondev_help_Kurtis_2018-03-05T23:42:47.000057
1,520,293,367.000057
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pythondev
help
Or use three backticks on either side on their own line ` ` `
2018-03-05T23:42:57.000021
Rafael
pythondev_help_Rafael_2018-03-05T23:42:57.000021
1,520,293,377.000021
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pythondev
help
:smile:
2018-03-05T23:42:58.000086
Rafael
pythondev_help_Rafael_2018-03-05T23:42:58.000086
1,520,293,378.000086
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pythondev
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the issue is that I don't know how much data is being sent, or how many "messages" will be including in the data
2018-03-05T23:44:11.000028
Kurtis
pythondev_help_Kurtis_2018-03-05T23:44:11.000028
1,520,293,451.000028
37,521
pythondev
help
so I need to parse the message headers to get the size
2018-03-05T23:44:29.000144
Kurtis
pythondev_help_Kurtis_2018-03-05T23:44:29.000144
1,520,293,469.000144
37,522
pythondev
help
just trying to figure out what the normal pattern for this problem is
2018-03-05T23:44:55.000234
Kurtis
pythondev_help_Kurtis_2018-03-05T23:44:55.000234
1,520,293,495.000234
37,523