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[252.94 --> 254.56] What version of Windows were we on? |
[254.66 --> 256.64] Windows 7, I think? |
[257.38 --> 257.80] Yeah, maybe. |
[258.26 --> 259.56] Maybe 8 at that point. |
[259.56 --> 261.82] Probably most people on XP, really, let's be honest. |
[261.98 --> 263.46] Maybe it was Windows 8 at that point. |
[264.46 --> 268.70] Mac OS was, what, just probably exiting Snow Leopard era. |
[269.42 --> 271.36] You know, so a lot's changed in that 10 years. |
[271.42 --> 273.08] The iPhone was still very new. |
[273.52 --> 279.02] And, you know, people didn't have powerful phones and tablets and stuff in their pockets all the time. |
[279.56 --> 282.56] And so for the Raspberry Pi to come along in the schools seemed obvious. |
[283.28 --> 284.88] Chromebooks weren't really a thing yet. |
[284.88 --> 290.76] You know, it seemed obvious, but now it's a true hobbyist-grade tinkerer device. |
[290.90 --> 294.00] So there's this whole ecosystem around the Raspberry Pi. |
[294.26 --> 297.18] And I know that you find that a very powerful thing. |
[298.04 --> 299.46] I think that's the most important thing. |
[299.80 --> 301.84] And I don't even think it's just hobbyists, Alex. |
[301.90 --> 309.86] I feel like, I don't even know if they should be, but I feel like a lot of little products out there have a Raspberry Pi at the heart of them, like secretly. |
[309.86 --> 317.90] In that interview that we'll have linked in the show notes, Eben's talking about how officially the Foundation has put two Raspberry Pis on the International Space Station. |
[318.02 --> 328.66] But it turns out there's, like, way more actually up on the International Space Station just because a lot of the other products that NASA has deployed up there have Raspberry Pis built into them. |
[328.90 --> 332.68] Just as, you know, I guess it needs to be some heavy lifting or something. |
[333.28 --> 333.52] Yeah. |
[333.74 --> 338.88] I really, I find that both alarming and impressive at the same time. |
[338.88 --> 344.28] And I have to say, you know, for my use, the things are solid as a rock. |
[344.62 --> 352.74] I think for some reason early on they kind of got this reputation as unstable, not production-grade for some reason. |
[353.14 --> 356.06] And for the most case, I don't think that's ever been true. |
[356.10 --> 357.70] I think it's always just been a matter of resources. |
[358.02 --> 360.68] And recently they've been closing the gap on that. |
[361.04 --> 367.92] And, you know, I think we may even possibly be seeing a newer Pi if it wasn't for the supply chain shortages. |
[368.88 --> 374.70] You know, if you think back as well, it was Raspberry Pi OS and Ubuntu didn't support the Pis. |
[375.48 --> 385.80] I don't remember exactly when Ubuntu made an official Pi image, but that was a turning point for me in making the Pi more legitimate. |
[385.80 --> 386.28] Yeah. |
[387.40 --> 388.28] Oh, for sure. |
[388.66 --> 391.08] It's been great to see distro adoption. |
[391.08 --> 397.22] And I think the even bigger thing has been to see a lot of the Pi's hardware actually make it into the mainline kernel. |
[397.66 --> 400.32] That's been the really big thing because that's what took so long. |
[400.48 --> 402.64] It really took way too long for that to happen. |
[402.64 --> 412.36] And maybe one of the criticisms while we're still talking about the early days of the Raspberry Pi is like, we've kind of enumerated this on Linux Action News before, but they're not a Linux company, right? |
[412.94 --> 414.34] They're a hardware shop. |
[414.54 --> 421.20] And Linux is the operating system that allows them to run and ship the Raspberry Pi desktop, right? |
[421.24 --> 422.76] It's a means to an end. |
[423.28 --> 426.00] They didn't start the Raspberry Pi because they're Linux fans. |
[426.24 --> 426.96] You follow me? |
[426.96 --> 436.10] And so they don't necessarily always have great insight into how the Linux community expects things to work. |
[436.26 --> 449.46] And so they've done things in the past, like added Microsoft repos without saying anything to the distribution or, you know, maybe they just work on something for like two years and then just do a big code drop over the wall. |
[449.46 --> 455.98] And those things have been tricky for the free software community to assimilate, but I don't think they've ever been done out of malice. |
[456.96 --> 457.92] Maybe that's a good thing. |
[458.52 --> 465.36] You know, if everybody was beholden to the rules of the system, then they would never disrupt that system. |
[466.04 --> 471.62] You know, I'm not saying that everything the Pi Foundation has done is absolutely perfect. |
[472.08 --> 475.38] No company, no foundation, no charity, nothing like that is. |
[475.38 --> 484.68] But if you didn't have people that weren't beholden to that rules system, you know, that gatekeeper system, if you like, would we ever see any progress? |
[485.04 --> 487.24] Or would it be stymied progress, you know? |
[487.38 --> 488.72] So I don't know. |
[488.76 --> 489.68] Would it be chaos? |
[490.66 --> 491.02] Maybe. |
[491.44 --> 491.84] Maybe. |
[492.24 --> 494.48] I think that's being a little melodramatic, but... |
[494.48 --> 495.76] No, it'd be chaos, Alex! |
[495.76 --> 504.66] You know, the other thing to just think about Raspberry Pi is something we've talked about a lot on this show is their energy use. |
[504.84 --> 508.98] And Andrew wrote into the show and said energy costs here in the UK are just skyrocketing. |
[509.36 --> 513.80] I was just told my electricity bill is increasing by 80%. |
[513.80 --> 514.50] Yeah. |
[515.16 --> 516.30] Holy crap. |
[516.40 --> 517.16] Eight zero. |
[517.16 --> 518.80] Oh, man. |
[518.90 --> 521.16] And then another increase will be expected in October. |
[521.58 --> 526.54] My current system is an i3 with an Unraid and 40 terabytes of storage. |
[527.34 --> 529.24] And I'm running service loads in Docker. |
[529.54 --> 533.00] I also have two Raspberry Pis 3B running Pi Hole. |
[533.28 --> 540.22] And the entire setup uses around three kilowatt hours a day, which isn't bad, but it runs 25% of my electric bill. |
[540.38 --> 542.88] So I'm wondering if I can save any on that. |
[542.88 --> 550.60] I don't need to access my files 24-7 and notice that my Unraid does support S3 sleep, but I'd want some kind of automation around that. |
[550.64 --> 552.92] So I'm not always having to manually turn it on and off. |
[553.22 --> 555.40] Any thoughts or options, guys? |
[556.14 --> 564.72] Well, what's interesting is over the years, many people have asked me just a simple question, which I've just flippantly said no to, which is, |
[564.84 --> 569.84] should I worry about something simple like spinning down unused hard drives? |
[569.84 --> 576.06] And you think it's using three or four watts to keep that hard drive spinning? |
[576.72 --> 577.64] Who cares? |
[577.84 --> 583.16] It's a couple of pounds, maybe that a month, maybe even that across a year. |
[583.80 --> 594.02] Generally, the benchmark I used was one watt for an entire year powered on was about one pound, give or take. |
[594.02 --> 600.18] And that was when electricity prices were about 15 pence a kilowatt hour. |
[600.32 --> 607.52] What I'm seeing now in the UK is energy prices being 50 or 60 pence a kilowatt hour. |
[607.70 --> 612.50] And that is a massive, I don't need to tell you guys, a massive difference. |
[612.90 --> 613.28] Right. |
[613.32 --> 615.96] And that kind of changes the equation significantly. |
[615.96 --> 621.94] And so one of the angles we wanted to talk about on today's show was the energy usage of Raspberry Pis. |
[622.16 --> 627.58] Like, Chris, you can give us some really good insight from all of your monitoring you do in the RV and start to think about, |
[627.70 --> 631.32] does it make sense to have that old Dual Xeon box in the basement? |
[632.24 --> 633.34] Probably not anymore. |
[633.60 --> 641.04] Does it make sense to keep an old i3 system with, you know, 40 terabytes of storage like Andrew writes in? |
[641.04 --> 642.98] Well, it depends how many hard drives. |
[643.04 --> 644.90] Is hard drive density worth considering? |
[645.14 --> 655.40] You know, number of watts per drive doesn't change, but you can change the number of drives quite easily by going from, let's say, 10 4 terabyte drives to 4 10 terabyte drives. |
[655.56 --> 660.70] And that could save you the price of a drive at 50 pence a kilowatt hour within a year. |
[661.58 --> 661.60] Yeah. |
[662.06 --> 663.26] Oh, boy, Alex. |
[663.34 --> 666.82] So when I decided to go, actually, I'll back up. |
[667.48 --> 671.00] I'll back up and I'll address a few things I think you got to think about. |
[671.60 --> 674.20] Before you go this route and really go to the energy savings. |
[674.42 --> 681.28] So when I first started building the setup for Jupes, I built it around an x86 system, an x86 NAS based system. |
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