new

Get trending papers in your email inbox!

Subscribe

Daily Papers

byAK and the research community

Jul 29

Drop-Muon: Update Less, Converge Faster

Conventional wisdom in deep learning optimization dictates updating all layers at every step-a principle followed by all recent state-of-the-art optimizers such as Muon. In this work, we challenge this assumption, showing that full-network updates can be fundamentally suboptimal, both in theory and in practice. We introduce a non-Euclidean Randomized Progressive Training method-Drop-Muon-a simple yet powerful framework that updates only a subset of layers per step according to a randomized schedule, combining the efficiency of progressive training with layer-specific non-Euclidean updates for top-tier performance. We provide rigorous convergence guarantees under both layer-wise smoothness and layer-wise (L^0, L^1)-smoothness, covering deterministic and stochastic gradient settings, marking the first such results for progressive training in the stochastic and non-smooth regime. Our cost analysis further reveals that full-network updates are not optimal unless a very specific relationship between layer smoothness constants holds. Through controlled CNN experiments, we empirically demonstrate that Drop-Muon consistently outperforms full-network Muon, achieving the same accuracy up to 1.4times faster in wall-clock time. Together, our results suggest a shift in how large-scale models can be efficiently trained, challenging the status quo and offering a highly efficient, theoretically grounded alternative to full-network updates.

  • 4 authors
·
Oct 2, 2025

Rethinking Muon Beyond Pretraining: Spectral Failures and High-Pass Remedies for VLA and RLVR

Muon is a matrix-aware optimizer that leverages Newton-Schulz (NS) iterations to enforce spectral gradient orthogonalization by driving all singular values of the momentum matrix toward 1. While this uniform spectral whitening enhances exploration and outperforms AdamW in LLM pretraining, we show it could lead to fundamental limitations beyond pretraining in two regimes: (i) cross-modality vision-language-action (VLA) training, where inherently low-rank action-module gradients cause amplification of noisy tail directions, and (ii) reinforcement learning with verifiable rewards (RLVR), where low-SNR gradients and the need to preserve per-head specialization from prior training make whitening unstable. To address these challenges, we propose Pion, a drop-in replacement for Muon that preserves its computational efficiency while replacing uniform spectral whitening with a two-stage Promotion+Suppression mechanism, which we call the high-pass NS iteration. This design induces a sharp spectral high-pass effect, anchoring dominant singular values at 1 while suppressing noisy tail components toward 0, with controllable filter strength. To preserve pretrained per-head heterogeneity, Pion also supports a per-head mode that applies updates independently across attention heads via a simple reshape, at no extra cost. In VLA training on LIBERO and LIBERO-Plus, Pion consistently outperforms both baselines across l_1-regression (VLA-Adapter) and flow-matching (VLANeXt) architectures, e.g., reaching 100% success rate on LIBERO Object after 1,500 training steps with VLA-Adapter, vs. 97.0% for Muon and only 32.2% for AdamW. The advantage of Pion further extends to a real Franka Research 3 robot with a pi_0.5 backbone under the DROID setup on three grasp-and-place tasks. In RLVR post-training on Qwen3-1.7B/4B with GRPO and GMPO, Pion also outperforms AdamW on MATH and GSM8K while Muon collapses to zero.