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Nov 11

How Much Training-Inference Mismatch Can On-Policy Distillation Tolerate?

On-policy distillation (OPD) trains a student language model on its own responses, guided by a fixed teacher. Generating these responses is expensive, so systems use quantized inference and asynchronous rollouts to reduce the cost. Both, however, introduce training-inference mismatch between the rollout engine and the model being trained. Such mismatch can destabilize reinforcement learning (RL), but its effects on OPD remain unclear. This paper investigates how much mismatch OPD tolerates, where its effects arise, and how training systems can use this tolerance. Measuring all mismatch sources on one scale, we examine quantization across three student-teacher pairs, with additional tests of weight staleness and injected noise on one pair. OPD tolerates substantial mismatch without meaningful loss of training quality but degrades at higher levels, revealing an empirical mismatch budget. Both the quality cost of mismatch and the mismatch introduced by quantization depend on the model, with some layers particularly sensitive to reduced precision. In controlled comparisons, OPD remains stable under rollout configurations that destabilize RL methods. Under weight noise, mismatch also shifts the prefixes reached during generation, introducing errors that per-token corrections cannot address. To put these findings into practice, we introduce a lightweight admission check that screens rollout configurations against a calibrated budget without requiring a full training run for each candidate. Model-specific FP8 recipes preserve training quality while providing capacity for at least 1.93times as many KV-cache tokens as BF16. Combining FP8 with asynchronous rollouts reaches the same training quality 1.62times sooner than synchronous BF16 training. Code is available at https://github.com/benyucong/train-inference-mismatch-opd

  • 8 authors
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Nov 7 8

A Named Entity Based Approach to Model Recipes

Traditional cooking recipes follow a structure which can be modelled very well if the rules and semantics of the different sections of the recipe text are analyzed and represented accurately. We propose a structure that can accurately represent the recipe as well as a pipeline to infer the best representation of the recipe in this uniform structure. The Ingredients section in a recipe typically lists down the ingredients required and corresponding attributes such as quantity, temperature, and processing state. This can be modelled by defining these attributes and their values. The physical entities which make up a recipe can be broadly classified into utensils, ingredients and their combinations that are related by cooking techniques. The instruction section lists down a series of events in which a cooking technique or process is applied upon these utensils and ingredients. We model these relationships in the form of tuples. Thus, using a combination of these methods we model cooking recipe in the dataset RecipeDB to show the efficacy of our method. This mined information model can have several applications which include translating recipes between languages, determining similarity between recipes, generation of novel recipes and estimation of the nutritional profile of recipes. For the purpose of recognition of ingredient attributes, we train the Named Entity Relationship (NER) models and analyze the inferences with the help of K-Means clustering. Our model presented with an F1 score of 0.95 across all datasets. We use a similar NER tagging model for labelling cooking techniques (F1 score = 0.88) and utensils (F1 score = 0.90) within the instructions section. Finally, we determine the temporal sequence of relationships between ingredients, utensils and cooking techniques for modeling the instruction steps.

  • 3 authors
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Apr 25, 2020

FBNetV3: Joint Architecture-Recipe Search using Predictor Pretraining

Neural Architecture Search (NAS) yields state-of-the-art neural networks that outperform their best manually-designed counterparts. However, previous NAS methods search for architectures under one set of training hyper-parameters (i.e., a training recipe), overlooking superior architecture-recipe combinations. To address this, we present Neural Architecture-Recipe Search (NARS) to search both (a) architectures and (b) their corresponding training recipes, simultaneously. NARS utilizes an accuracy predictor that scores architecture and training recipes jointly, guiding both sample selection and ranking. Furthermore, to compensate for the enlarged search space, we leverage "free" architecture statistics (e.g., FLOP count) to pretrain the predictor, significantly improving its sample efficiency and prediction reliability. After training the predictor via constrained iterative optimization, we run fast evolutionary searches in just CPU minutes to generate architecture-recipe pairs for a variety of resource constraints, called FBNetV3. FBNetV3 makes up a family of state-of-the-art compact neural networks that outperform both automatically and manually-designed competitors. For example, FBNetV3 matches both EfficientNet and ResNeSt accuracy on ImageNet with up to 2.0x and 7.1x fewer FLOPs, respectively. Furthermore, FBNetV3 yields significant performance gains for downstream object detection tasks, improving mAP despite 18% fewer FLOPs and 34% fewer parameters than EfficientNet-based equivalents.

  • 11 authors
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Jun 3, 2020

CookAnything: A Framework for Flexible and Consistent Multi-Step Recipe Image Generation

Cooking is a sequential and visually grounded activity, where each step such as chopping, mixing, or frying carries both procedural logic and visual semantics. While recent diffusion models have shown strong capabilities in text-to-image generation, they struggle to handle structured multi-step scenarios like recipe illustration. Additionally, current recipe illustration methods are unable to adjust to the natural variability in recipe length, generating a fixed number of images regardless of the actual instructions structure. To address these limitations, we present CookAnything, a flexible and consistent diffusion-based framework that generates coherent, semantically distinct image sequences from textual cooking instructions of arbitrary length. The framework introduces three key components: (1) Step-wise Regional Control (SRC), which aligns textual steps with corresponding image regions within a single denoising process; (2) Flexible RoPE, a step-aware positional encoding mechanism that enhances both temporal coherence and spatial diversity; and (3) Cross-Step Consistency Control (CSCC), which maintains fine-grained ingredient consistency across steps. Experimental results on recipe illustration benchmarks show that CookAnything performs better than existing methods in training-based and training-free settings. The proposed framework supports scalable, high-quality visual synthesis of complex multi-step instructions and holds significant potential for broad applications in instructional media, and procedural content creation.

  • 8 authors
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Dec 3, 2025 1

COAT: Compressing Optimizer states and Activation for Memory-Efficient FP8 Training

FP8 training has emerged as a promising method for improving training efficiency. Existing frameworks accelerate training by applying FP8 computation to linear layers while leaving optimizer states and activations in higher precision, which fails to fully optimize memory usage. This paper introduces COAT (Compressing Optimizer States and Activations for FP8 Training), a novel FP8 training framework designed to significantly reduce memory footprint when training large models. COAT addresses current limitations through two key innovations: (1) Dynamic Range Expansion, which aligns optimizer state distributions more closely with the FP8 representation range, thereby reducing quantization error, and (2) Mixed-Granularity Activation Quantization, which optimizes activation memory using a combination of per-tensor and per-group quantization strategies. Experiments demonstrate that COAT effectively reduces end-to-end training memory footprint by 1.54x compared to BF16 while achieving nearly lossless performance across various tasks, such as Large Language Model pretraining and fine-tuning and Vision Language Model training. COAT also achieves a 1.43x end-to-end training speedup compared to BF16, performing on par with or surpassing TransformerEngine's speedup. COAT enables efficient full-parameter training of large models on fewer GPUs, and facilitates doubling the batch size in distributed training settings, providing a practical solution for scaling large-scale model training. The code is available at https://github.com/NVlabs/COAT.

  • 7 authors
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Oct 25, 2024 5

Practical FP4 Training for Large-Scale MoE Models on Hopper GPUs

Training large-scale Mixture-of-Experts (MoE) models is bottlenecked by activation memory and expert-parallel communication, yet FP4 training remains impractical on Hopper-class GPUs without native MXFP4 or NVFP4 support. In this work, we present a training recipe that enables MXFP4 efficiency for MoE models on Hopper architectures without native 4-bit computation support. A central challenge is to integrate FP4 into an existing BF16/FP8 hybrid training pipeline without incurring costly precision round-trips (e.g., FP4 leftrightarrow BF16 leftrightarrow FP8). We address this challenge by introducing direct FP8-to-FP4 quantization and de-quantization, together with scaling-aware FP4 row-wise to column-wise conversion, enabling FP4 activations and expert-parallel communication with minimal overhead. Core MoE computations are executed in FP8, while activations and expert-parallel communication are compressed using MXFP4, achieving substantial memory and bandwidth savings without degrading convergence. At the 671B parameter scale, our method achieves end-to-end training performance comparable to strong FP8 baselines, while reducing peak activation memory by 14.8\% (11.8 GB) and improving training throughput by 12.5\%, from 1157 to 1302 tokens per GPU per second. These results show that FP4 efficiency can be practically realized for large-scale MoE training through careful software-hardware co-design, even without native FP4 Tensor Core support.

  • 6 authors
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Mar 3

Calorie Aware Automatic Meal Kit Generation from an Image

Calorie and nutrition research has attained increased interest in recent years. But, due to the complexity of the problem, literature in this area focuses on a limited subset of ingredients or dish types and simple convolutional neural networks or traditional machine learning. Simultaneously, estimation of ingredient portions can help improve calorie estimation and meal re-production from a given image. In this paper, given a single cooking image, a pipeline for calorie estimation and meal re-production for different servings of the meal is proposed. The pipeline contains two stages. In the first stage, a set of ingredients associated with the meal in the given image are predicted. In the second stage, given image features and ingredients, portions of the ingredients and finally the total meal calorie are simultaneously estimated using a deep transformer-based model. Portion estimation introduced in the model helps improve calorie estimation and is also beneficial for meal re-production in different serving sizes. To demonstrate the benefits of the pipeline, the model can be used for meal kits generation. To evaluate the pipeline, the large scale dataset Recipe1M is used. Prior to experiments, the Recipe1M dataset is parsed and explicitly annotated with portions of ingredients. Experiments show that using ingredients and their portions significantly improves calorie estimation. Also, a visual interface is created in which a user can interact with the pipeline to reach accurate calorie estimations and generate a meal kit for cooking purposes.

  • 2 authors
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Dec 17, 2021

Puro-2B: Poor Lab's Qwen2-1.5B Trained on RTX 5090 within $5090

Language model pretraining has become almost synonymous with prohibitive cost, placing it out of reach for much of the academic and open-source communities. Although strong open-source efforts already exist, including open-weight models and open-source training recipes, a cost-efficient, hardware-accessible, and open-source pretraining recipe has long been missing. Even at a small scale, training Llama-3.2-3B costs over \1.5M, and reproducing SmolLM3-3B needs over 700K. In this report, we present an open pretraining recipe designed to lower this barrier. Using this recipe, we train a collection of Puro-2B models from scratch on up to 1.4 trillion tokens with FP8 precision on consumer-grade RTX 5090 GPUs. The models in the collection differ in token budgets and selected recipe variants. Our best model is trained at a compute cost of less than \6.9K and approaches Qwen2.5-1.5B performance under our evaluation protocol. This cost efficiency is enabled by a combination of approaches, including hardware selection, low-precision training, hyperball optimization, curriculum model averaging, and the data recipe. Beyond the recipe itself, we provide two additional results. First, across the Puro-2B collection, we derive a Puro Cost Scaling Law that relates training cost to average model performance; the fitted law suggests that about 4.4K, less than \$5,090, is sufficient to reach the performance of Qwen2-1.5B. Second, as an end-to-end case study, we examine how pretraining data curricula shape downstream performance after post-training. Such controlled studies are enabled by having access to the full pretraining pipeline rather than model weights alone. We release the full training recipe for Puro-2B, including data, code, and model weights under Apache 2.0 at https://huggingface.co/collections/thu-pacman/puro-2b.

From Instance Selection to Fixed-Pool Data Recipe Search for Supervised Fine-Tuning

Supervised fine-tuning (SFT) data selection is commonly formulated as instance ranking: score each example and retain a top-k subset. However, effective SFT training subsets are often produced through ordered curation recipes, where filtering, mixing, and deduplication operators jointly shape the final data distribution. We formulate this problem as fixed-pool data recipe search: given a raw instruction pool and a library of grounded operators, the goal is to discover an executable recipe that constructs a high-quality selected subset under a limited budget of full SFT evaluations, without generating, rewriting, or augmenting training samples. We introduce AutoSelection, a two-layer solver that decouples fixed-pool materialization based on cached task-, data-, and model-side signals from expensive full evaluation, using warmup probes, realized subset states, local recipe edits, Gaussian-process-assisted ranking, and stagnation-triggered reseeding. Experiments on a 90K instruction pool show that AutoSelection achieves the strongest in-distribution reasoning average across three base models, outperforming full-data training, random recipe search, random top-k, and single-operator selectors. Additional Out-of-distribution graph-reasoning results, search-stability analyses, structural ablations, and 1.5B-to-7B transfer checks further show that recipe structure matters beyond individual selection operators. Code is available at https://github.com/w253/AutoSelection.

  • 4 authors
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May 12 1

ZeroQuant-FP: A Leap Forward in LLMs Post-Training W4A8 Quantization Using Floating-Point Formats

In the complex domain of large language models (LLMs), striking a balance between computational efficiency and maintaining model quality is a formidable challenge. Navigating the inherent limitations of uniform quantization, particularly when dealing with outliers, and motivated by the launch of NVIDIA's H100 hardware, this study delves into the viability of floating-point (FP) quantization, particularly focusing on FP8 and FP4, as a potential solution. Our comprehensive investigation reveals that for LLMs, FP8 activation consistently outshines its integer (INT8) equivalent, with the performance edge becoming more noticeable in models possessing parameters beyond one billion. For weight quantization, our findings indicate that FP4 exhibits comparable, if not superior, performance to INT4, simplifying deployment on FP-supported hardware like H100. To mitigate the overhead from precision alignment caused by the disparity between weights and activations, we propose two scaling constraints for weight quantization that negligibly impact the performance compared to the standard W4A8 model. We additionally enhance our quantization methods by integrating the Low Rank Compensation (LoRC) strategy, yielding improvements especially in smaller models. The results of our investigation emphasize the immense potential of FP quantization for LLMs, paving the way for high-efficiency deployment in resource-limited settings.

  • 3 authors
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Jul 19, 2023

FP8 versus INT8 for efficient deep learning inference

Recently, the idea of using FP8 as a number format for neural network training has been floating around the deep learning world. Given that most training is currently conducted with entire networks in FP32, or sometimes FP16 with mixed-precision, the step to having some parts of a network run in FP8 with 8-bit weights is an appealing potential speed-up for the generally costly and time-intensive training procedures in deep learning. A natural question arises regarding what this development means for efficient inference on edge devices. In the efficient inference device world, workloads are frequently executed in INT8. Sometimes going even as low as INT4 when efficiency calls for it. In this whitepaper, we compare the performance for both the FP8 and INT formats for efficient on-device inference. We theoretically show the difference between the INT and FP formats for neural networks and present a plethora of post-training quantization and quantization-aware-training results to show how this theory translates to practice. We also provide a hardware analysis showing that the FP formats are somewhere between 50-180% less efficient in terms of compute in dedicated hardware than the INT format. Based on our research and a read of the research field, we conclude that although the proposed FP8 format could be good for training, the results for inference do not warrant a dedicated implementation of FP8 in favor of INT8 for efficient inference. We show that our results are mostly consistent with previous findings but that important comparisons between the formats have thus far been lacking. Finally, we discuss what happens when FP8-trained networks are converted to INT8 and conclude with a brief discussion on the most efficient way for on-device deployment and an extensive suite of INT8 results for many models.

  • 11 authors
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Mar 31, 2023

OpenBezoar: Small, Cost-Effective and Open Models Trained on Mixes of Instruction Data

Instruction fine-tuning pretrained LLMs for diverse downstream tasks has demonstrated remarkable success and has captured the interest of both academics and practitioners. To ensure such fine-tuned LLMs align with human preferences, techniques such as RLHF and DPO have emerged. At the same time, there is increasing interest in smaller parameter counts for models. In this work, using OpenLLaMA 3Bv2 as a base model, we describe the recipe used to fine-tune the OpenBezoar family of models. In this recipe: We first generate synthetic instruction fine-tuning data using an open and commercially non-restrictive instruction fine-tuned variant of the Falcon-40B model under three schemes based on: LaMini-LM, WizardLM/Evol-Instruct (with databricks-dolly-15k as a seed dataset) and Orca (with the Flan Collection as a seed dataset), then filter these generations using GPT-4 as a human proxy. We then perform cost-effective QLoRA-based supervised fine-tuning sequentially with each scheme. The resulting checkpoint is further fine-tuned with a subset of the HH-RLHF dataset to minimize distribution shift prior to using the DPO loss to obtain the final checkpoint. Evaluation is done with the LM Eval Harness tasks/metrics as well as on MT-Bench using the "LLM-as-a-judge" framework with Claude 2.1, with the finding that the final checkpoint, "OpenBezoar-HH-RLHF-DPO", demonstrates superior performance over many models at the 3B parameter scale, even outperforming the top model in one of the categories on the Huggingface Open LLM Leaderboard. We release "OpenBezoar-SFT", "OpenBezoar-HH-RLHF-SFT", "OpenBezoar-HH-RLHF-DPO" checkpoints, alongside our generated datasets on HuggingFace at https://huggingface.co/collections/SurgeGlobal/open-bezoar-6620a24923e12127e9e2b9cc and our codebase at https://bitbucket.org/paladinanalytics/workspace/projects/OP.

  • 4 authors
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Apr 18, 2024 1

Efficient Pre-training for Localized Instruction Generation of Videos

Procedural videos, exemplified by recipe demonstrations, are instrumental in conveying step-by-step instructions. However, understanding such videos is challenging as it involves the precise localization of steps and the generation of textual instructions. Manually annotating steps and writing instructions is costly, which limits the size of current datasets and hinders effective learning. Leveraging large but noisy video-transcript datasets for pre-training can boost performance but demands significant computational resources. Furthermore, transcripts contain irrelevant content and differ in style from human-written instructions. To mitigate these issues, we propose a novel technique, Sieve-&-Swap, to automatically generate high-quality training data for the recipe domain: (i) Sieve: filters irrelevant transcripts and (ii) Swap: acquires high-quality text by replacing transcripts with human-written instruction from a text-only recipe dataset. The resulting dataset is three orders of magnitude smaller than current web-scale datasets but enables efficient training of large-scale models. Alongside Sieve-&-Swap, we propose Procedure Transformer (ProcX), a model for end-to-end step localization and instruction generation for procedural videos. When pre-trained on our curated dataset, this model achieves state-of-the-art performance on YouCook2 and Tasty while using a fraction of the training data. We have released code and dataset.

  • 5 authors
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Nov 27, 2023

HiFloat4 Format for Language Model Pre-training on Ascend NPUs

Large foundation models have become central to modern machine learning, with performance scaling predictably with model size and data. However, training and deploying such models incur substantial computational and memory costs, motivating the development of low-precision training techniques. Recent work has demonstrated that 4-bit floating-point (FP4) formats--such as MXFP4 and NVFP4--can be successfully applied to linear GEMM operations in large language models (LLMs), achieving up to 4x improvements in compute throughput and memory efficiency compared to higher-precision baselines. In this work, we investigate the recently proposed HiFloat4 FP4 format for Huawei Ascend NPUs and systematically compare it with MXFP4 in large-scale training settings. All experiments are conducted on Ascend NPU clusters, with linear and expert GEMM operations performed entirely in FP4 precision. We evaluate both dense architectures (e.g., Pangu and LLaMA-style models) and mixture-of-experts (MoE) models, where both standard linear layers and expert-specific GEMMs operate in FP4. Furthermore, we explore stabilization techniques tailored to FP4 training that significantly reduce numerical degradation, maintaining relative error within 1% of full-precision baselines while preserving the efficiency benefits of 4-bit computation. Our results provide a comprehensive empirical study of FP4 training on NPUs and highlight the practical trade-offs between FP4 formats in large-scale dense and MoE models.

  • 25 authors
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Apr 8

To FP8 and Back Again: Quantifying the Effects of Reducing Precision on LLM Training Stability

The massive computational costs associated with large language model (LLM) pretraining have spurred great interest in reduced-precision floating-point representations to accelerate the process. As a result, the BrainFloat16 (BF16) precision has become the de facto standard for LLM training, with hardware support included in recent accelerators. This trend has gone even further in the latest processors, where FP8 has recently been introduced. However, prior experience with FP16, which was found to be less stable than BF16, raises concerns as to whether FP8, with even fewer bits than FP16, can be a cost-effective option for LLM training. We argue that reduced-precision training schemes must have similar training stability and hyperparameter sensitivities to their higher-precision counterparts in order to be cost-effective. However, we find that currently available methods for FP8 training are not robust enough to allow their use as economical replacements. This prompts us to investigate the stability of reduced-precision LLM training in terms of robustness across random seeds and learning rates. To this end, we propose new evaluation techniques and a new metric for quantifying loss landscape sharpness in autoregressive language models. By simulating incremental bit reductions in floating-point representations, we analyze the relationship between representational power and training stability with the intent of aiding future research into the field.

  • 5 authors
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May 28, 2024

V-Nutri: Dish-Level Nutrition Estimation from Egocentric Cooking Videos

Nutrition estimation of meals from visual data is an important problem for dietary monitoring and computational health, but existing approaches largely rely on single images of the finally completed dish. This setting is fundamentally limited because many nutritionally relevant ingredients and transformations, such as oils, sauces, and mixed components, become visually ambiguous after cooking, making accurate calorie and macronutrient estimation difficult. In this paper, we investigate whether the cooking process information from egocentric cooking videos can contribute to dish-level nutrition estimation. First, we further manually annotated the HD-EPIC dataset and established the first benchmark for video-based nutrition estimation. Most importantly, we propose V-Nutri, a staged framework that combines Nutrition5K-pretrained visual backbones with a lightweight fusion module that aggregates features from the final dish frame and cooking process keyframes extracted from the egocentric videos. V-Nutri also includes a cooking keyframes selection module, a VideoMamba-based event-detection model that targets ingredient-addition moments. Experiments on the HD-EPIC dataset show that process cues can provide complementary nutritional evidence, improving nutrition estimation under controlled conditions. Our results further indicate that the benefit of process keyframes depends strongly on backbone representation capacity and event detection quality. Our code and annotated dataset is available at https://github.com/K624-YCK/V-Nutri.

  • 3 authors
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Apr 12

Jet-RL: Enabling On-Policy FP8 Reinforcement Learning with Unified Training and Rollout Precision Flow

Reinforcement learning (RL) is essential for enhancing the complex reasoning capabilities of large language models (LLMs). However, existing RL training pipelines are computationally inefficient and resource-intensive, with the rollout phase accounting for over 70% of total training time. Quantized RL training, particularly using FP8 precision, offers a promising approach to mitigating this bottleneck. A commonly adopted strategy applies FP8 precision during rollout while retaining BF16 precision for training. In this work, we present the first comprehensive study of FP8 RL training and demonstrate that the widely used BF16-training + FP8-rollout strategy suffers from severe training instability and catastrophic accuracy collapse under long-horizon rollouts and challenging tasks. Our analysis shows that these failures stem from the off-policy nature of the approach, which introduces substantial numerical mismatch between training and inference. Motivated by these observations, we propose Jet-RL, an FP8 RL training framework that enables robust and stable RL optimization. The key idea is to adopt a unified FP8 precision flow for both training and rollout, thereby minimizing numerical discrepancies and eliminating the need for inefficient inter-step calibration. Extensive experiments validate the effectiveness of Jet-RL: our method achieves up to 33% speedup in the rollout phase, up to 41% speedup in the training phase, and a 16% end-to-end speedup over BF16 training, while maintaining stable convergence across all settings and incurring negligible accuracy degradation.

nvidia NVIDIA
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Jan 20 3

INT v.s. FP: A Comprehensive Study of Fine-Grained Low-bit Quantization Formats

Modern AI hardware, such as Nvidia's Blackwell architecture, is increasingly embracing low-precision floating-point (FP) formats to handle the pervasive activation outliers in Large Language Models (LLMs). Despite this industry trend, a unified comparison of FP and integer (INT) quantization across varying granularities has been missing, leaving algorithm and hardware co-design without clear guidance. This paper fills that gap by systematically investigating the trade-offs between FP and INT formats. We reveal a critical performance crossover: while FP excels in coarse-grained quantization, the comparison at fine-grained (block-wise) levels is more nuanced. Our comprehensive comparison demonstrates that for popular 8-bit fine-grained formats (e.g., MX with block size 32), MXINT8 is superior to its FP counterpart in both algorithmic accuracy and hardware efficiency. However, for 4-bit formats, FP (e.g., MXFP4, NVFP4) often holds an accuracy advantage , though we show that NVINT4 can surpass NVFP4 when outlier-mitigation techniques like Hadamard rotation are applied. We also introduce a symmetric clipping method that resolves gradient bias in fine-grained low-bit INT training, enabling nearly lossless performance for MXINT8 training. These findings challenge the current hardware trajectory, demonstrating that a one-size-fits-all FP approach is suboptimal and advocating that fine-grained INT formats, particularly MXINT8, offer a better balance of accuracy, power, and efficiency for future AI accelerators.

ByteDance-Seed ByteDance Seed
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Oct 29, 2025 6

HiFloat4 Format for End-To-End Reinforcement Learning Post-Training of Large Language Models

We present, to our knowledge, the first end-to-end FP4 RL post-training, in which both the rollout and training policies, including their forward and backward passes, operate at 4-bit precision. A systematic study reveals that the dominant source of degradation in FP4 RL is not training-side quantization error but rollout activation quantization: outliers stretch the dynamic range so far that a large number of activation values underflow to zero under FP4. Counterintuitively, restoring the training policy to higher precision while keeping the rollout in FP4 makes accuracy worse than full FP4 baseline, exposing rollout-training mismatch as the principal failure mode and ruling out standard pretraining-style fixes. We address this with Rollout Residual Quantization (Rollout-ResQ): a single residual correction term constrained to a hardware-friendly sparsity pattern, added only to the FP4 rollout matmul -- a lightweight correction that recovers most of the precision lost to outlier-driven underflow without inflating the rollout's compute footprint. On Qwen2.5-3B and Qwen2.5-Math-7B, Rollout-ResQ paired with the HiFloat4 (HiF4) format -- whose three-level hierarchical scaling preserves resolution under FP4's tight 4-bit budget -- closes the accuracy gap to BF16 from 4.9% to 1.1%, bringing fully quantized FP4 RL within striking distance of full precision. Applied to the open-standard MXFP4, the same recipe narrows the gap from 13.6% to 5.3%, revealing that FP4 format choice is a key factor that determines the ceiling on recoverable accuracy. Together, these results establish HiF4 as the enabling format for end-to-end FP4 RL post-training, and Rollout-ResQ as the activation-side mechanism that makes the gap to BF16 closable.

  • 13 authors
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Jul 28

Double KV Cache Optimization on Apple Silicon: Block-FP4, Radial Quantization, and Fused Metal Kernels

Key-value (KV) cache capacity and memory traffic are primary bottlenecks in long-context autoregressive inference. We evaluate five cache paths on an Apple Silicon M5 Max using MLX: a native bf16 baseline, block-scaled E2M1 FP4, a Python reference implementing radial quantization with a QJL-style residual, sequential FP4-to-Polar composition, and a fused Metal Polar kernel. On Apple Silicon M5 Max, fused Metal PolarQuant achieves 46.8 tok/s at 3,456 B/token - 3.64x compression versus the bf16 baseline and 1.84x faster than the Python Polar reference (25.4 tok/s), while slightly outperforming block-FP4 (41.5 tok/s at 3.62x compression). Sequential composition of FP4 and Polar (Double Optimization) yields no additive benefit: 4,241 B/token at 15.1 tok/s, worse than FP4 alone on both axes. The fused path establishes that radial coding can be competitive when packing, rotation, and reconstruction are placed in one device kernel, but this result does not extend to longer contexts. At 32K and above, all compressed variants collapse to 1.5-14 tok/s because the current attention path repeatedly reconstructs the full cache, retaining cumulative O(N^2) decode work. At 64K, the Metal variant runs out of memory when a 33.5 GB allocation exceeds MLX's 22.6 GB Metal buffer limit. Fused scaled dot-product attention operating directly on compressed KV, together with chunked pre-allocation, is required for long-context viability. These results separate representation-level compression from kernel and allocator effects and identify the conditions under which low-bit KV caching helps on unified memory hardware.

  • 1 authors
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Oct 20