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Nov 4

Mix-LN: Unleashing the Power of Deeper Layers by Combining Pre-LN and Post-LN

Large Language Models (LLMs) have achieved remarkable success, yet recent findings reveal that their deeper layers often contribute minimally and can be pruned without affecting overall performance. While some view this as an opportunity for model compression, we identify it as a training shortfall rooted in the widespread use of Pre-Layer Normalization (Pre-LN). We demonstrate that Pre-LN, commonly employed in models like GPT and LLaMA, leads to diminished gradient norms in its deeper layers, reducing their effectiveness. In contrast, Post-Layer Normalization (Post-LN) preserves larger gradient norms in deeper layers but suffers from vanishing gradients in earlier layers. To address this, we introduce Mix-LN, a novel normalization technique that combines the strengths of Pre-LN and Post-LN within the same model. Mix-LN applies Post-LN to the earlier layers and Pre-LN to the deeper layers, ensuring more uniform gradients across layers. This allows all parts of the network--both shallow and deep layers--to contribute effectively to training. Extensive experiments with various model sizes from 70M to 7B demonstrate that Mix-LN consistently outperforms both Pre-LN and Post-LN, promoting more balanced, healthier gradient norms throughout the network, and enhancing the overall quality of LLM pre-training. Furthermore, we demonstrate that models pre-trained with Mix-LN learn better compared to those using Pre-LN or Post-LN during supervised fine-tuning (SFT) and reinforcement learning from human feedback (RLHF), highlighting the critical importance of high-quality deep layers. By effectively addressing the inefficiencies of deep layers in current LLMs, Mix-LN unlocks their potential, enhancing model capacity without increasing model size. Our code is available at https://github.com/pixeli99/MixLN.

  • 3 authors
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Dec 18, 2024 2

Pre-RMSNorm and Pre-CRMSNorm Transformers: Equivalent and Efficient Pre-LN Transformers

Transformers have achieved great success in machine learning applications. Normalization techniques, such as Layer Normalization (LayerNorm, LN) and Root Mean Square Normalization (RMSNorm), play a critical role in accelerating and stabilizing the training of Transformers. While LayerNorm recenters and rescales input vectors, RMSNorm only rescales the vectors by their RMS value. Despite being more computationally efficient, RMSNorm may compromise the representation ability of Transformers. There is currently no consensus regarding the preferred normalization technique, as some models employ LayerNorm while others utilize RMSNorm, especially in recent large language models. It is challenging to convert Transformers with one normalization to the other type. While there is an ongoing disagreement between the two normalization types, we propose a solution to unify two mainstream Transformer architectures, Pre-LN and Pre-RMSNorm Transformers. By removing the inherent redundant mean information in the main branch of Pre-LN Transformers, we can reduce LayerNorm to RMSNorm, achieving higher efficiency. We further propose the Compressed RMSNorm (CRMSNorm) and Pre-CRMSNorm Transformer based on a lossless compression of the zero-mean vectors. We formally establish the equivalence of Pre-LN, Pre-RMSNorm, and Pre-CRMSNorm Transformer variants in both training and inference. It implies that Pre-LN Transformers can be substituted with Pre-(C)RMSNorm counterparts at almost no cost, offering the same arithmetic functionality along with free efficiency improvement. Experiments demonstrate that we can reduce the training and inference time of Pre-LN Transformers by 1% - 10%.

  • 4 authors
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May 24, 2023

Bounded Hyperbolic Tangent: A Stable and Efficient Alternative to Pre-Layer Normalization in Large Language Models

Pre-Layer Normalization (Pre-LN) is the de facto choice for large language models (LLMs) and is crucial for stable pretraining and effective transfer learning. However, Pre-LN is inefficient due to repeated statistical calculations and suffers from the curse of depth. As layers grow, the magnitude and variance of the hidden state escalate, destabilizing training. Efficiency-oriented normalization-free methods such as Dynamic Tanh (DyT) improve speed but remain fragile at depth. To jointly address stability and efficiency, we propose Bounded Hyperbolic Tanh (BHyT), a drop-in replacement for Pre-LN. BHyT couples a tanh nonlinearity with explicit, data-driven input bounding to keep activations within a non-saturating range. It prevents depth-wise growth in activation magnitude and variance and comes with a theoretical stability guarantee. For efficiency, BHyT computes exact statistics once per block and replaces a second normalization with a lightweight variance approximation, enhancing efficiency. Empirically, BHyT demonstrates improved stability and efficiency during pretraining, achieving an average of 15.8% faster training and an average of 4.2% higher token generation throughput compared to RMSNorm., while matching or surpassing its inference performance and robustness across language understanding and reasoning benchmarks. Our code is available at: https://anonymous.4open.science/r/BHyT

  • 5 authors
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Dec 26, 2025

Peri-LN: Revisiting Layer Normalization in the Transformer Architecture

Designing Transformer architectures with the optimal layer normalization (LN) strategy that ensures large-scale training stability and expedite convergence has remained elusive, even in this era of large language models (LLMs). To this end, we present a comprehensive analytical foundation for understanding how different LN strategies influence training dynamics in large-scale Transformer training. Until recently, Pre-LN and Post-LN have long dominated standard practices despite their limitations in large-scale training. However, several open-source large-scale models have recently begun silently adopting a third strategy without much explanation. This strategy places layer normalization (LN) peripherally around sublayers, a design we term Peri-LN. While Peri-LN has demonstrated promising empirical performance, its precise mechanisms and benefits remain almost unexplored. Our in-depth analysis shows that Peri-LN strikes an ideal balance in variance growth -- unlike Pre-LN and Post-LN, which are prone to vanishing gradients and ``massive activations.'' To validate our theoretical insight, we conduct large-scale experiments on Transformers up to 3.2B parameters, showing that Peri-LN consistently achieves more balanced variance growth, steadier gradient flow, and convergence stability. Our results suggest that Peri-LN warrants broader consideration for large-scale Transformer architectures, providing renewed insights into the optimal placement and application of LN.

  • 10 authors
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Feb 4, 2025

The Curse of Depth in Large Language Models

In this paper, we introduce the Curse of Depth, a concept that highlights, explains, and addresses the recent observation in modern Large Language Models(LLMs) where nearly half of the layers are less effective than expected. We first confirm the wide existence of this phenomenon across the most popular families of LLMs such as Llama, Mistral, DeepSeek, and Qwen. Our analysis, theoretically and empirically, identifies that the underlying reason for the ineffectiveness of deep layers in LLMs is the widespread usage of Pre-Layer Normalization (Pre-LN). While Pre-LN stabilizes the training of Transformer LLMs, its output variance exponentially grows with the model depth, which undesirably causes the derivative of the deep Transformer blocks to be an identity matrix, and therefore barely contributes to the training. To resolve this training pitfall, we propose LayerNorm Scaling, which scales the variance of output of the layer normalization inversely by the square root of its depth. This simple modification mitigates the output variance explosion of deeper Transformer layers, improving their contribution. Our experimental results, spanning model sizes from 130M to 1B, demonstrate that LayerNorm Scaling significantly enhances LLM pre-training performance compared to Pre-LN. Moreover, this improvement seamlessly carries over to supervised fine-tuning. All these gains can be attributed to the fact that LayerNorm Scaling enables deeper layers to contribute more effectively during training.

  • 6 authors
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Feb 9, 2025 5

DepthBench: Measuring How Residual Connections Enable More Computational Depth

Depth is a natural way to increase the computational capacity in Transformers, yet the contribution of deeper layers can diminish as depth grows larger. Recent approaches enhance normalization (e.g., LayerNorm Scaling) or residual connections (e.g., mHC, AttnRes) to enable better information flow and depth utilization. However, it remains unclear whether they truly translate increased architectural depth into effective computational depth, and whether their reported gains stem from better access to information across depth, or unaccounted-for confounding factors. In this paper, we introduce DepthBench, a controlled benchmark for studying computational depth across various architectures. We systematically vary the width--depth aspect ratio (d_{model}/n_{layer}) from shallow--wide to deep--narrow shapes, while keeping the model size and pre-training recipe fixed. Across 10 representative architectures, we find that the benefit of allocating more capacity to depth is strongly architecture-dependent. Standard Pre-LN and most of its norm- and scaling-based variants provide little benefit and can even degrade performance as models become deeper and narrower, whereas HC and Full AttnRes improve consistently even at extreme deep shapes. These gains extend beyond pre-training loss and consistently translate into improved domain-specific performance and effective computation. Controlled layer-level analyses further show that the gains of HC and Full AttnRes are associated with more effective utilization of additional layers, revealing distinct mechanisms of computational depth across architectures. Overall, our results identify residual connection design as a key determinant of whether depth can serve as a meaningful scaling axis by enabling additional architectural depth to translate into effective computation.

A Conditional No-Hair Theorem for Transformers: How Language Models Forget Their Prompt

We ask how much an autoregressive transformer retains of its prompt after generating t tokens. Consider two different prompts followed by the same continuation text, so that any difference in their hidden states comes from the prompt alone, and we find that the distance between their hidden states decays approximately as a power law t^{-α}, where α=1 is the rate at which a fixed prompt's share of uniform attention shrinks and smaller values mean longer memory. Trained models forget fast (αapprox0.55--0.7), untrained ones slowly (αapprox0.2--0.5). We prove that this offset is Obig(P(log t)^{L-1}/tbig) for a prompt of length P and depth L. The bound holds for finite-depth pre-LN softmax transformers with bounded attention logits, under one additional condition: the pre-norm activations stay away from zero. The mechanism is geometric: the prompt's direct influence is diluted as the context grows, and relay --- continuation tokens passing on what earlier tokens read from the prompt --- can only add logarithmic factors. This is what we call the conditional no-hair theorem: given the text generated so far, the prompt's influence on the next token vanishes as t grows, so any property of the prompt that survives, such as its language, must be carried by the text itself. An exactly solvable linear relay model shows that the bound cannot be improved and reproduces the rise of the local exponent towards 1 seen in untrained networks. Cancelling the dilution with a logit bias stops the decay early in training and reverses it after, so dilution is necessary for the forgetting we measure; untrained networks and the solvable model show it is also sufficient.

  • 1 authors
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Oct 15 4

DepthGraft: Structural Regularization through Hierarchical Cross-Layer KV Reconstruction

Scaling depth is a key route to stronger large language models, but Pre-LN architectures often suffer from depth-wise information dilution, limiting the effective use of deep layers. While cross-layer connectivity has proven effective at mitigating this problem, existing designs usually introduce additional computation or memory access. We revisit cross-layer KV sharing as an efficient form of such connectivity. Beyond cache compression, each KV reuse edge creates a direct gradient path from deep layers to source KV projections, turning KV sharing into an implicit structural regularizer for KV representation geometry. We provide a systematic analysis of this mechanism, showing that proper sharing topologies sharpen key retrieval directions while enriching the value content subspace, whereas existing adjacent or global-anchor designs do not fully exploit this effect. Motivated by this, we propose DepthGraft, a hierarchical KV-sharing architecture that reconstructs deep-layer KV from stride-aligned shallow-middle source pairs. DepthGraft distributes non-local gradient flow across source layers, while preserving prefill early completion and reducing KV cache by roughly one third. Experiments on dense and MoE models from 0.5B to 16B parameters show consistent downstream improvements under both GQA and MLA. Notably, on the 16B MoE model, DepthGraft achieves a 7.0% absolute improvement on MMLU-Pro, along with gains of 6.6% on CMMLU and 6.4% on C3. These results validate the potential of DepthGraft as a scalable design for large-scale pretraining. The project page is available at https://github.com/jianke0604/DepthGraft.

  • 7 authors
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Nov 1

A Two-Parameter Weibull Framework for Diagnosing Transformer Weight Distributions

We apply the Weibull distribution -- a two-parameter family from extreme-value theory -- as a diagnostic framework for element-wise weight magnitude distributions in transformers. At initialization, i.i.d. Gaussian weights give |w| ~ HalfNormal, yielding k ~ 1.20 via middle-80% probability-plot fit (the protocol used throughout this work). This anchor makes k a principled, architecture-independent measuring stick for training dynamics; fitting each weight matrix independently at every layer at every checkpoint enables per-component, per-layer, and per-step diagnostics that aggregate statistics cannot resolve. Applying this framework to 12 model entries spanning 7 architectural families (Pythia, OLMo-1/2, LLaMA-3, Mistral, Qwen2.5/3) reveals three findings. First, FFN modules and the attention output projection W_o -- the Transmission Class -- fall in a narrow k band: median terminal k in [1.186, 1.204] across 12 entries (cross-family CV = 0.51%), shared across SwiGLU/GeLU activations, Pre-LN/QK-Norm placements, and 70M-14B sizes. Second, the attention input projections W_q, W_k -- the Selection Class -- depart from the Weibull family, with severity shaped by storage: separately-stored Q/K (OLMo-1, OLMo-2) yields k in [0.76, 0.99] (deep); GQA models yield k in [1.10, 1.16] (mild); Pythia's merged W_qkv occupies a transitional zone tracking training budget T/tau monotonically. Third, lambda grows substantially during training and scales with sqrt(eta/lambda_wd) within the Pythia family (Pearson r = 0.94, three Transmission kinds), directionally consistent with Fan et al. (2025). The two parameters carry independent information: k labels the functional class, lambda labels training progress. We release npm-weibull-py v0.4 (Python library) and DATABASE_v9_1 at https://github.com/tiexinding/NPM-Weibull-public .

  • 1 authors
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May 16

Deep Learning Face Attributes in the Wild

Predicting face attributes in the wild is challenging due to complex face variations. We propose a novel deep learning framework for attribute prediction in the wild. It cascades two CNNs, LNet and ANet, which are fine-tuned jointly with attribute tags, but pre-trained differently. LNet is pre-trained by massive general object categories for face localization, while ANet is pre-trained by massive face identities for attribute prediction. This framework not only outperforms the state-of-the-art with a large margin, but also reveals valuable facts on learning face representation. (1) It shows how the performances of face localization (LNet) and attribute prediction (ANet) can be improved by different pre-training strategies. (2) It reveals that although the filters of LNet are fine-tuned only with image-level attribute tags, their response maps over entire images have strong indication of face locations. This fact enables training LNet for face localization with only image-level annotations, but without face bounding boxes or landmarks, which are required by all attribute recognition works. (3) It also demonstrates that the high-level hidden neurons of ANet automatically discover semantic concepts after pre-training with massive face identities, and such concepts are significantly enriched after fine-tuning with attribute tags. Each attribute can be well explained with a sparse linear combination of these concepts.

  • 4 authors
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Nov 28, 2014

LoRA-BERT: a Natural Language Processing Model for Robust and Accurate Prediction of long non-coding RNAs

Long non-coding RNAs (lncRNAs) serve as crucial regulators in numerous biological processes. Although they share sequence similarities with messenger RNAs (mRNAs), lncRNAs perform entirely different roles, providing new avenues for biological research. The emergence of next-generation sequencing technologies has greatly advanced the detection and identification of lncRNA transcripts and deep learning-based approaches have been introduced to classify long non-coding RNAs (lncRNAs). These advanced methods have significantly enhanced the efficiency of identifying lncRNAs. However, many of these methods are devoid of robustness and accuracy due to the extended length of the sequences involved. To tackle this issue, we have introduced a novel pre-trained bidirectional encoder representation called LoRA-BERT. LoRA-BERT is designed to capture the importance of nucleotide-level information during sequence classification, leading to more robust and satisfactory outcomes. In a comprehensive comparison with commonly used sequence prediction tools, we have demonstrated that LoRA-BERT outperforms them in terms of accuracy and efficiency. Our results indicate that, when utilizing the transformer model, LoRA-BERT achieves state-of-the-art performance in predicting both lncRNAs and mRNAs for human and mouse species. Through the utilization of LoRA-BERT, we acquire valuable insights into the traits of lncRNAs and mRNAs, offering the potential to aid in the comprehension and detection of diseases linked to lncRNAs in humans.

  • 5 authors
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Nov 11, 2024

Unlocking the Hidden Potential of CLIP in Generalizable Deepfake Detection

This paper tackles the challenge of detecting partially manipulated facial deepfakes, which involve subtle alterations to specific facial features while retaining the overall context, posing a greater detection difficulty than fully synthetic faces. We leverage the Contrastive Language-Image Pre-training (CLIP) model, specifically its ViT-L/14 visual encoder, to develop a generalizable detection method that performs robustly across diverse datasets and unknown forgery techniques with minimal modifications to the original model. The proposed approach utilizes parameter-efficient fine-tuning (PEFT) techniques, such as LN-tuning, to adjust a small subset of the model's parameters, preserving CLIP's pre-trained knowledge and reducing overfitting. A tailored preprocessing pipeline optimizes the method for facial images, while regularization strategies, including L2 normalization and metric learning on a hyperspherical manifold, enhance generalization. Trained on the FaceForensics++ dataset and evaluated in a cross-dataset fashion on Celeb-DF-v2, DFDC, FFIW, and others, the proposed method achieves competitive detection accuracy comparable to or outperforming much more complex state-of-the-art techniques. This work highlights the efficacy of CLIP's visual encoder in facial deepfake detection and establishes a simple, powerful baseline for future research, advancing the field of generalizable deepfake detection. The code is available at: https://github.com/yermandy/deepfake-detection

  • 3 authors
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Mar 25, 2025

Depth Memory

Residual connections propagate information through a network by additively accumulating layer outputs. Recently proposed alternatives, such as Manifold-Constrained Hyper-Connections (mHC) and Attention Residuals (AttnRes), instead use more expressive depth aggregation mechanisms that improve language modeling performance at scale. In this work, we consider the mixing of representations over depth as a problem of storing and retrieving information across layers. Formalizing this perspective, we introduce Depth Memory (DM), a unified framework that describes the standard pre-layer-norm (PreLN) transformer, mHC, and AttnRes in terms of streams that carry representations through the network. One such stream, for example, could be an explicit memory stream that is queried to enrich the input to every layer, and whose output is subsequently written back into the memory for use by later layers. For AttnRes, this memory stream is a growing cache of explicit layer representations. For mHC, it is an expanded residual stream. Building on this view, we propose Linear Depth Memory (LDM), which formulates information retrieval across depth as a regression problem solved using recursive least squares. The resulting architecture propagates three streams across depth: the standard residual stream, a linear associative memory stream, and an inverse covariance stream. For high-throughput training and inference, we propose a hardware-aware implementation of LDM that reduces peak activation memory and memory traffic. LDM consistently achieves the lowest perplexities among PreLN, mHC and AttnRes baselines at the 400M and 1.5B parameter scales, alongside competitive zero-shot accuracy.

  • 4 authors
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Oct 12