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# b4 full epoch at 32k -- 2026-09-10
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Continuation of the 16k->32k YaRN extension through the whole of b4.
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## Setup
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| model | 1.06B (36 layers, d_model 1536, 12q/4kv, hd 128, SwiGLU 4096) |
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| window | 32,768 (YaRN SCALE=2 ORIG_MAXPOS=16384, product == 32768 exactly) |
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| parent | ext32k step 750 (itself extended from l2, the best 16k arm) |
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| data | b4_32768_65536 -- min doc 32,768 == the window, so EVERY sample is one contiguous document |
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| tokens | steps 750 -> 2227 = 1.168 B of b4's 1.171 B train split; b4 seen EXACTLY ONCE, no wrap |
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| batch | B=1 x grad_accum 16 = 524,288 tokens/step, identical to every 16k arm |
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| LR | peak 1.8e-4, floor 6e-5 (see the note below), WSD: re-warm 100 from step 750, flat to 2027, 200-step decay tail |
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| hardware | 2x H200, cp=2, peak 107.4 GB of 143 GB |
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| eval | niah_single, N=100, greedy, substring match, one shared haystack (b2_8192_16384 val) |
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## Results
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niah_single accuracy %, +-95% Wilson half-width
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| step | b4 seen | 8,192 | 16,360 | 32,744 | decayed |
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| 750 | 34% | 60.0 +-9.4 | 45.0 +-9.6 | 27.0 +-8.6 | yes |
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| 1100 | 49% | 55.0 +-9.6 | 40.0 +-9.4 | 24.0 +-8.3 | no |
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| 1650 | 74% | 64.0 +-9.2 | 55.0 +-9.6 | 33.0 +-9.1 | no |
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| **2227** | **100%** | **70.0 +-8.8** | **58.0 +-9.5** | **43.0 +-9.5** | **yes** |
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The 1100 and 1650 checkpoints sit mid-plateau at constant LR and are UNDECAYED, so
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they understate. Only 750 and 2227 are decayed and mutually comparable -- which is
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why 1100 reads BELOW 750 and is not a regression.
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### The comparison: step 750 vs 2227, both decayed
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| length | 750 | 2227 | delta | combined 95% bar | resolvable |
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| 8,192 | 60.0 | 70.0 | +10.0 | +-12.9 | no |
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| 16,360 | 45.0 | 58.0 | +13.0 | +-13.5 | no |
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| 32,744 | 27.0 | 43.0 | **+16.0** | +-12.8 | **YES** |
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The gains GROW with length (+10, +13, +16). That is the slope flattening, not a
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uniform lift. Slope on the decayed points: 8k->16k -15.0 -> -12.0 pp/doubling;
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16k->32k -18.0 -> -15.0.
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### 16k retrieval across the project, same harness, matched cache
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| model | 16,360 |
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| armA_c (flux, 400 steps) | 33.0 |
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| l2 (b2, 400 steps) | 35.0 |
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| ext32k (b4, 750 steps) | 45.0 |
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| **b4 full epoch (2227 steps)** | **58.0** |
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## Conclusion, and what it is not
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Training steps AT the target length is the lever that moved the slope. Document
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length shifted the intercept only (l3 vs l2 at 16k was +0.0pp); the YaRN cache fix
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was a one-off +27pp at the window boundary; model scale remains untested. The b3
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long arm at 16k found the same thing independently (-29 -> -19 -> -11 pp/doubling
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across 400/1000/2000 steps).
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Only the 32,744 cell is individually resolvable at N=100. The slope figures are
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derived from two points each and inherit those error bars.
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## KNOWN ISSUE -- CP_MAX_LR and CP_MIN_LR do not exist
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bluscriptCP.cpp hardcodes max_lr=6e-4 (line 131) and min_lr=6e-5 (line 132), and
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the env-parsing block never reads CP_MAX_LR or CP_MIN_LR -- there is not even a
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float env helper. Every script in this project passed them as a no-op. So the real
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schedule has always been 6e-4 * CP_REWARMUP_PEAK(0.3) = 1.8e-4 peak, 6e-5 floor,
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verified from ext32k's log (1.8000e-04 at steps 99..649, 6.0030e-05 at 749).
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This is benign for comparability: EVERY run in this project used the same values,
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so l1/l2/l3, ext32k, the b3 long arm and this run are all mutually comparable. Only
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prose descriptions of the LR were wrong. The LR was deliberately NOT changed here,
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because doing so would have broken continuity with ext32k's first 750 steps.
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## The resume that required the sidecar
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A first attempt at this continuation was aborted at step 763. The .zero_g1
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optimizer sidecar had not been uploaded with the step-750 checkpoint, and per
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bluscriptCP.cpp:2032 a bf16 run then "resumes with group 1's Adam m/v at zero".
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Observed effect: loss 2.95 -> 5.52 at the first optimizer step, gradient norm
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0.15 -> 9.55. After recovering the sidecar from the original instance the same
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resume gave loss 2.95 -> 3.16, norm 0.15 -> 0.18, and the run completed with
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median norm 0.20. ALWAYS upload the .zero_g1 sidecar alongside the .ckpt.
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## Raw eval output
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### step 1100, PROMPT_LEN=8192
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```
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task,b4c1100
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niah_single,55.0
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```
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### step 1100, PROMPT_LEN=16360
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```
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task,b4c1100
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niah_single,40.0
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```
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### step 1100, PROMPT_LEN=32744
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```
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task,b4c1100
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niah_single,24.0
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```
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### step 1650, PROMPT_LEN=8192
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```
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niah_single,64.0
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```
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### step 1650, PROMPT_LEN=16360
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```
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niah_single,55.0
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```
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### step 1650, PROMPT_LEN=32744
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```
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niah_single,33.0
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```
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### step 2227, PROMPT_LEN=8192
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```
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niah_single,70.0
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```
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### step 2227, PROMPT_LEN=16360
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```
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niah_single,43.0
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```
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