Some questions about training

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by mobinx - opened

I am working on loop transformer and I have some questions about your architecture. You provided two loop pass as you included on report.
1.Does pass 1 perform coarse reasoning and pass 2 refine it?
².Do you inject a learned loop embedding?
3.Are there different LayerNorm parameters per loop?
4.Is there any regularization encouraging different behavior between passes?
5. Are you using any new training way for updating loop gradient?
6. Does there any loop specific gradient loss update or global gradient update?
Again the work is marvelous. It's give me hope and energy to continue work on my loop transformer optimization algorithm. It will really really help me you answer those questions. Please I humblely request you for the answers.

Nanbeige LLM Lab org

Thanks a lot for the thoughtful questions and for your interest in our work.

For Nanbeige4.2, the two passes reuse the same Transformer stack. We do not explicitly constrain the first pass to perform coarse reasoning or the second pass to refine it. Based on the training signals we monitor after the first pass, our current observation is that it behaves more like a stage of high-level representation formation than coarse reasoning.

For Nanbeige4.5, which is currently being trained and will be released later, we have further improved this design with LoopSplit, where only part of the layer stack is looped while the remaining layers are executed once. The implementation is already available in our modeling code (https://huggingface.co/Nanbeige/Nanbeige4.2-3B/blob/main/modeling_nanbeige.py).

Your other questions are closely related to directions we are still actively investigating. We do not yet have firm conclusions on all of them, but we plan to share more findings in future model releases.

We look forward to further discussion and exchange in this direction.

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