RukaRat/Qwen3.8-27B-INT8-W8A8-imatrix-MTP

Qwen3.8-27B INT8 W8A8 (imatrix-mse), with MTP and vision intact

INT8 W8A8 quant of Qwen/Qwen3.8-27B, made with llmcompressor in compressed-tensors format.

I built this for a dual RTX 3090 rig (2x24 GB, tensor parallel across both cards, no NVLink), which is what shaped most of the decisions here. It should suit anyone running two 24 GB Ampere cards, and it'll work on a single 48 GB card as well. Two things got kept that quant pipelines often drop along the way:

• the MTP module (15 mtp.* tensors), so speculative decoding runs
• the vision tower (333 model.visual.* tensors), so it stays multimodal

29.1 GiB, 1,599 tensors (400 INT8, 1,199 BF16). It fits across two 3090s with enough headroom left for a fairly deep context.

I serve it with SGLang, with MTP as NEXTN, vision and qwen3_coder tool calls all working. It runs under vLLM too, and there's a short section on that below.

Why INT8

FP8 needs compute capability 8.9 or higher, so on Ampere cards like the 3090, A6000 and A100 it isn't available and INT8 W8A8 is the practical choice. Worth checking what you're on:

nvidia-smi --query-gpu=compute_cap --format=csv

If you're on Ada or newer, an FP8 build will probably serve you better than this one.

What's actually quantized

I read this off the tensor dtypes rather than trusting the config:

module group	dtypes	size
MLP	192 INT8 + 192 BF16	15.94 GiB
linear_attn (48 layers)	432 BF16 + 144 INT8	5.21 GiB
norms / misc	130 BF16	2.37 GiB
lm_head	BF16	2.37 GiB
full_attn (16 layers)	96 BF16 + 64 INT8	1.56 GiB
vision tower	333 BF16	0.86 GiB
MTP	15 BF16	0.79 GiB

The MLP and full-attention projections carry most of the quantization. The vision tower stays BF16 throughout, and the Gated DeltaNet linear_attn layers are only partly quantized, since in_proj_a, in_proj_b and norm are excluded. That's where most of that 5.21 GiB sits. lm_head and MTP are excluded too.

It's a fairly conservative recipe. You could get this model smaller, though in my experience you tend to give up speculative decoding or vision along the way, and for a two card setup the tradeoff didn't seem worth it.

Read this first: the per-sequence state

One thing dominates memory planning on this model, and it isn't the KV cache.

48 of the 64 layers are Gated DeltaNet linear attention. Each concurrent sequence needs its own recurrent state, and unlike a KV cache that state is a fixed cost that doesn't shrink for short prompts:

48 value heads x 128 key dim x 128 value dim x 4 bytes (fp32)  =  3 MiB per layer
3 MiB x 48 linear-attention layers                             =  144 MiB per sequence
at TP=2                                                        =  ~72 MiB per GPU per sequence

Both engines default to a concurrency well above what a single-user setup needs, and on 2x24 GB that reservation is the difference between starting and not:

• SGLang auto-sizes this from mamba_full_memory_ratio (default 0.9), which handed roughly half the cache arena to DeltaNet state on my box. Setting --max-mamba-cache-size 8 freed most of it.
• vLLM --max-num-seqs defaults to 128, which is several GB per card gone before a single KV token is allocated, on top of a ~15 GiB weight share. Set it to 1 or 2.

If you hit an OOM, or get a much smaller context than you expected, look here first — before --gpu-memory-utilization.

Running it in SGLang

python -m sglang.launch_server \
  --model-path RukaRat/Qwen3.8-27B-INT8-W8A8-imatrix-MTP \
  --tp 2 \
  --speculative-algorithm NEXTN \
  --speculative-num-steps 3 \
  --speculative-eagle-topk 1 \
  --speculative-num-draft-tokens 4 \
  --context-length 245760 \
  --mem-fraction-static 0.95 \
  --max-running-requests 2 \
  --max-mamba-cache-size 8 \
  --mamba-ssm-dtype bfloat16 \
  --kv-cache-dtype fp8_e4m3 \
  --cuda-graph-max-bs 2 \
  --tool-call-parser qwen3_coder \
  --reasoning-parser qwen3 \
  --default-chat-template-kwargs '{"preserve_thinking": true, "reasoning_effort": "low"}'

Out of the box I was capped at a much smaller context than the card advertises. Four flags got me to 245,760, tested one at a time:

• --max-mamba-cache-size 8 with --kv-cache-dtype fp8_e4m3 — by far the biggest win, and it's the per-sequence state described above. Speculative decoding consumes roughly 4 state slots per request, so 8 is the floor. Fewer slots also shrink the mamba radix prefix cache, which is what gives you warm starts on multi-turn sessions, so don't go below it.
• --mem-fraction-static 0.95 — I stress-tested vision at this setting (1024px image at deep context) and it held, with well under a gigabyte free. Don't go higher.
• --mamba-ssm-dtype bfloat16 — worth a useful chunk of context. Needle recall stayed perfect at 105k, 215k and 240k tokens, and generation stayed coherent. Those are light probes rather than a parity proof, so if you see long-session weirdness, revert this one first.

Two things that didn't help: --speculative-num-draft-tokens 3 gained nothing, and YaRN is moot here, since the pool sits below the model's native 262,144 window. The cap is memory-bound, not rope-bound.

The first request after boot takes the better part of a minute for CUDA graph capture, and the first request at any new depth also runs slow. Discard it when benchmarking.

It also runs in vLLM

I've moved to SGLang and don't run vLLM day to day any more, so treat this as last known-good rather than current — it was last measured on vLLM 0.22.0. What it buys you is context, 311,296 against SGLang's 245,760, and better prefill at short depth. SGLang was faster on decode at every depth I compared, and a quality A/B on identical weights came out a dead heat.

vllm serve RukaRat/Qwen3.8-27B-INT8-W8A8-imatrix-MTP \
  --tensor-parallel-size 2 \
  --trust-remote-code \
  --max-num-seqs 1 \
  --disable-custom-all-reduce \
  --gpu-memory-utilization 0.92 \
  --hf-overrides '{"text_config":{"rope_parameters":{"rope_type":"yarn","factor":1.5,"original_max_position_embeddings":262144,"mrope_interleaved":true,"mrope_section":[11,11,10],"partial_rotary_factor":0.25,"rope_theta":10000000}}}' \
  --max-model-len 311296 \
  --kv-cache-dtype fp8_e4m3 \
  --enable-prefix-caching \
  --enable-chunked-prefill \
  --max-num-batched-tokens 4096 \
  --speculative-config '{"method":"mtp","num_speculative_tokens":3}' \
  --limit-mm-per-prompt '{"image":4,"video":0}' \
  --mm-processor-kwargs '{"max_pixels":2000000,"min_pixels":65536}' \
  --enable-auto-tool-choice \
  --tool-call-parser qwen3_coder \
  --reasoning-parser qwen3 \
  --default-chat-template-kwargs '{"preserve_thinking": true, "reasoning_effort": "low"}'

Three things trip people up:

1. --max-num-seqs 1. See the per-sequence state section above. This is the flag that decides whether the server starts at all on 2x24 GB.
2. The YaRN override is not optional past 262,144. Without it vLLM refuses to start, because --max-model-len exceeds max_position_embeddings. Keep mrope_section, partial_rotary_factor and rope_theta in there or the model won't load. Extending this way also seemed to help deep-context behaviour rather than hurt it: at 1.5x, position 250k sits where roughly 167k would land natively, comfortably inside the trained range.
3. --disable-custom-all-reduce on PCIe. vLLM's custom all-reduce kernels assume NVLink.

That config reported around 345,620 tokens of KV cache on 2x24 GB, and I set --max-model-len to 311,296 to leave room, since MTP spends cache on the drafter too. Read the figure off your own startup output rather than trusting mine, and set --max-model-len just under it. --max-num-batched-tokens 4096 beat 8192 and 16384 for me, both of which cost KV cache without buying prefill back — vLLM's own startup warning telling you to raise it is wrong on this hardware, at least when serving one request at a time.

Vision

The vision tower has 2,304 position embeddings and each merged token covers 1,024 px, which works out to roughly 2.36 MP per image. Above that — anything much over 1536x1536 — you get:

Mismatch in `image` token count between text and `input_ids`

On vLLM, --mm-processor-kwargs '{"max_pixels":2000000,"min_pixels":65536}' caps it, and setting it also gives you back a chunk of KV cache, since vLLM otherwise reserves room for a worst-case image.

reasoning_effort

The chat template defaults to xhigh, the maximum. I default to low instead and raise it per request when a task calls for it. On a self-grading build task — the model writes a unittest suite and the harness runs it — low came out close to xhigh on tests passed while taking a fraction of the time and a small fraction of the reasoning tokens.

Two things worth knowing:

• medium is not a middle setting. The template injects no instruction for it, whereas low explicitly says "move directly to the conclusion". So low gets a clear directive and follows it, while medium drifts, and it scored worst of the three for me.
• xhigh can talk itself out of the right answer. On that build task it rejected the stdlib zoneinfo module every time and hand-rolled a datetime.tzinfo subclass that then crashed; low and medium imported zoneinfo every time. The xhigh instruction says to "consider plausible alternatives", which on a problem the stdlib already solves is a liability. I also tried it as an agentic default and reverted the same day — the think-to-output ratio made sessions unworkable.

Either way, give it plenty of max_tokens. This model thinks at length, and if it runs out mid-thought you get reasoning back with empty content.

preserve_thinking, and prefix caching

The chat template hides historical reasoning before the last real user query and keeps it after. That boundary moves every time you send a message, so assistant turns that rendered with their reasoning last turn render without it this turn. Prefix caching needs append-only prompts, so this invalidates the cache from the first rewritten block onward.

It only bites during tool-call loops, where several assistant messages sit between two user messages. Plain turn-taking never moves the boundary, which is why a chat-shaped test shows nothing and a tool-shaped one reproduces it.

preserve_thinking: true keeps reasoning always, which makes prompts append-only and measurably improved cache hit rate, re-prefill and wall-clock time on a multi-turn tool-calling workload. It costs context, since retained reasoning is carried forward, so if you hit the ceiling on long sessions, drop this first.

The repo ships Qwen's official 3.8 chat_template.jinja, so you shouldn't need to pass a template at all. Don't substitute the custom Qwen3.6 one if you have it lying around.

Sampling

temperature 0.6 · top_k 20 · top_p 0.86 · repetition_penalty 1.07
presence_penalty 0.0 · frequency_penalty 0.0

I arrived at these by scoring 8-gram repetition at depth rather than by feel. Worth flagging that Qwen's documented anti-repetition advice (presence_penalty 1.5) was the worst setting I tested — it repeated more, and it suppressed natural stopping so replies ran to the token cap.

Avoid temperature 0. Qwen notes that greedy decoding degrades thinking mode, and that matched what I saw: reasoning that loops with no output at the end.

Speculative decoding

3 draft tokens is my default on both engines, and MTP is a large decode win across the whole usable range. Acceptance did not decay with depth in my testing.

Acceptance is task-dependent, not context-dependent. Generating code drafts well. A needle test measured near zero, because no drafter can predict an arbitrary random string. A low acceptance reading means the workload is unpredictable, not that MTP has broken.

Qwen3.8 ships one trained MTP layer, so there's no adding capacity through configuration. Acceptance also seems bounded by the architecture: those 48 Gated DeltaNet layers carry a compressed recurrent state, so a rejected draft can't be rolled back the way you'd truncate a KV cache suffix. Qwen3.6-27B reached noticeably higher acceptance on the same harness, and I couldn't close the gap — I tried quantization strategy, draft sampling, N of 2/3/5, mamba state dtypes, KV dtypes, and a nightly meant to address this directly.

Counting tokens, not chunks

Before you benchmark any of this: accepted draft tokens arrive batched into a single SSE chunk. A harness that does ntok += 1 per chunk undercounts speculative decoding by roughly the acceptance factor, and will tell you MTP made things slower when it didn't. Every "MTP is slower on my machine" result I had turned out to be this. Count tokens server-side.

The recipe

format      compressed-tensors, W8A8
weights     8-bit int · symmetric · per-channel · static · observer: imatrix-mse
activations 8-bit int · symmetric · per-token · dynamic
targets     Linear
ignore      all model.visual.* blocks · linear_attn in_proj_a / in_proj_b / norm
            · lm_head · re:.*mtp.*

Calibration was 512 sequences of roughly 2,000 tokens each, half of them containing tool calls, built from public open source Python (the vLLM and ComfyUI trees). I'm not shipping the corpus itself, but the description above should be enough to rebuild something equivalent.

imatrix-mse weights the quantization error by how much each activation actually matters, rather than minimizing average weight error uniformly. It needs calibration data and pipeline="sequential". If either is missing, llmcompressor falls back to a data-free pipeline, logs imatrix_mse: no importance data available. Falling back to uniform MSE, and finishes normally while producing something different from what you asked for. Worth checking the log for that line.

I built the same base model five ways on one machine and harness and compared MTP acceptance. imatrix-mse and minmax came out about even at the top, W8A16 and SmoothQuant behind them, and plain mse last — it clips the activation outliers the drafter depends on. So: don't "fix" this build to plain mse.

Three things to watch for if you rebuild this

1. Load with AutoModelForImageTextToText. With AutoModelForCausalLM you get the language model on its own and no vision tower, and there's no error to tell you.
2. llmcompressor drops the MTP module, so graft the 15 mtp.* tensors back from the base checkpoint afterwards. They stay BF16 with no scales, which is expected.
3. Add re:.*mtp.* to quantization_config.ignore. Without it vLLM reads those BF16 tensors as INT8 and speculative decoding sits at 0% acceptance without complaining, or throws KeyError: 'weight_scale'. After fixing it, clear ~/.cache/vllm/torch_compile_cache, otherwise vLLM reuses the graph it compiled under the broken config and the fix looks like it did nothing. That one cost me an hour.

How it compares

All four of my Qwen3.8-27B releases, same box, same battery.

Context

Measured on 2x RTX 3090, one card on an x4 chipset slot, no NVLink. Identical settings everywhere: fp8 KV cache, one concurrent request, MTP on, --enforce-eager on vLLM, --gpu-memory-utilization 0.92 (vLLM) / --mem-fraction-static 0.95 (SGLang), and the YaRN rope override whenever the target exceeds the model's native 262,144. Every cell below was actually loaded and served a request — no estimates.

release	size	vLLM 1 GPU	vLLM 2 GPU	SGLang 1 GPU	SGLang 2 GPU
INT8 W8A8 (this one)	29.1 GiB	won't fit	311,296	won't fit	245,760
INT8 W8A8, abliterated	29.1 GiB	won't fit	286,720 ³	won't fit	not tested ³
W4A16 + int8 head	16.6 GiB	55,000	393,216	broken ²	broken ²
W4A16 + int8 head, abliterated	16.6 GiB	55,000	393,216	broken ²	broken ²
W4A16 plain, abliterated	18.1 GiB	20,000	393,216	wouldn't start ¹	262,144

¹ Won't start on a single card in SGLang, and the reason is simple once you get the right error out of it: SGLang counts the MTP draft weights separately, and 18.1 GiB of weights plus the drafter occupy 99.92% of a 24 GB card — it reports minimum viable = 0.9992, i.e. there is no legal --mem-fraction-static that leaves room for a KV cache. Lower fractions fail earlier, in the Gated-DeltaNet state cache (which is carved out of the static pool, so less pool means less room: -2.29 GB at 0.88 against -0.67 GB at 0.95), and --max-mamba-cache-size 8 --mamba-ssm-dtype bfloat16 only moves the failure to the KV step. It is a capacity wall, not a tuning problem. Two cards is fine — see the column to the right. The int8-head builds are 1.5 GiB smaller and would have room, but can't run on SGLang for an unrelated reason (²).

² Not a memory limit. A checkpoint that mixes bit-widths (4-bit body, 8-bit lm_head/MTP) doesn't resolve its lm_head scheme in SGLang's compressed-tensors path, so the head loads uninitialized and the model emits garbage. Details on the int8-head cards.

Two things worth pulling out. On two cards nothing here is memory-bound — 393,216 is the YaRN ceiling I asked for, not the card's limit. On one card the int8 head is worth 2.75x the context (55,000 against 20,000), which is the real argument for it alongside the ~35% decode gain; both builds do run MTP on a single card.

Speed

release	code tok/s	think 6k tok/s	benched on
INT8 W8A8	96.2	59.3	2 GPU
INT8 W8A8, abliterated	95.0	59.2	2 GPU
W4A16 + int8 head	89.9	56.2	1 GPU
W4A16 + int8 head, abliterated	88.7	56.6	1 GPU
W4A16 plain, abliterated	66.6	43.0	1 GPU

W8A8 can only run across two cards, so its row isn't matched hardware — read it as what that build needs, not as 8-bit beating 4-bit at equal cost.

Quality

release	correct (of 160)	MTP accept (code / think)	vision
INT8 W8A8	132	92.2% / 40.2%	2/2
INT8 W8A8, abliterated	130	91.0% / 40.8%	2/2
W4A16 + int8 head	131	89.1% / 39.6%	2/2
W4A16 + int8 head, abliterated	134	88.5% / 40.7%	2/2
W4A16 plain, abliterated	135	88.8% / 41.8%	2/2
W4A16 plain	131	84.5% / —	2/2

All builds above are now ground-truth scored. The abliterated W4A16 pair actually edges the un-abliterated ones (134/135 against 131), which is noise rather than an improvement, but it does rule out abliteration costing accuracy on these tasks.

The whole column spans 130-135 out of 160, which is a tie. For scale: re-running one unchanged build twice moved its score by two items (133 and 135 on separate runs of the same weights) and decode by ~1 tok/s. Nothing in that table is a real difference — 4-bit against 8-bit included.

Versions

Version drift is real in this area and flag names keep moving between releases. Everything above was on Ubuntu 22.04, driver 580 (CUDA 13), 2x RTX 3090 at TP=2 with no NVLink, one card on an x4 chipset slot:

	SGLang	vLLM
engine	0.5.18, sglang-kernel 0.4.6.post1	0.22.0
torch	2.13.0+cu130	2.11.0+cu130
flashinfer	0.6.17	0.6.11.post2
transformers	5.12.1	5.9.0

Both are hand-built venvs rather than container images. Check flag names against your own version rather than pasting mine.

One host-side note if you're near the RAM line: building the MTP drafter re-reads the whole 29 GiB checkpoint, so a box with ~31 GB of RAM will spike hard enough for systemd-oomd to kill the load. Running the server in its own scope with ManagedOOMPreference=omit fixed that for me. The kernel OOM killer still applies, which is the point.

Limitations

• Built with Ampere in mind, and a dual 3090 setup in particular. On Ada, Hopper or Blackwell you'll likely do better with FP8 or NVFP4.
• Not compressed as far as it could be. Vision, lm_head, MTP and a good chunk of linear_attn are still BF16.
• I measured throughput, speculative acceptance, repetition at depth and a small code suite rather than standard benchmarks, so there's no MMLU or GSM8K comparison against the base model here.
• Everything here comes from one machine, with one card on an x4 chipset slot and no NVLink, and the run-to-run noise on it is high enough that I'd treat any of it as a shape rather than a spec.

License

Same license as the base model, Qwen/Qwen3.8-27B, which is Apache 2.0. The base repo has the authoritative terms. All the credit goes to the Qwen team, this is just a quant of their work.