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[03:32] <kfogel> wgrant: mailing list will become public, but the current archives won't, of course (lots of company information in them). |
[03:32] <thumper> kfogel: so some action on that this week maybe? |
[03:32] <wgrant> kfogel: Of course. |
[03:32] <thumper> kfogel: I'll look forward to the list being public |
[03:33] <thumper> someone at some stage removed my other email address from the "authorised" list |
[03:33] <kfogel> thumper: let's pretend we're not moving to a privchat |
[03:33] <thumper> and I'm always sending email from the wrong email address |
[03:33] <thumper> at least with the launchpad mailman, I can use either :) |
[04:00] <sinzui> kfogel: I did customize that email. I send it to all projects that choose Other Open Source, but discriminate against commercial or derivatives. 90% of the cases are to CC-NC or CC-ND projects. |
[04:01] <wgrant> A lot of people don't realise that NC and ND are non-free. |
[04:02] <sinzui> indeed. I think most projects would not choose them if they know the OSI or FSF reject them |
[04:09] <kfogel> sinzui: makes me wonder if we should anticipate this at the UI level and save ourselves some human time. |
[04:10] <sinzui> kfogel: most of the problem has disappeared since we added the good CC licenses |
[04:10] <wgrant> What fraction of projects are still doing it? |
[04:10] <sinzui> translations-only projects are my new top problem. |
[04:11] * sinzui looks for answer |
[04:12] <sinzui> wgrant: kfogel: These is not easy way to know. we do not index the the additional license info field. I think the answer is about 50 projects |
[04:14] <wgrant> sinzui: Not too bad. |
[04:15] <wgrant> But a little disturbing that people don't research their licenses. |
[04:16] <sinzui> cc-0 seems to have addressed the majority of users who just want their code to be public and do not want to bother with the legal issues |
[04:18] <wgrant> Was there a Public Domain option before CC-0 was added? |
[04:23] <sinzui> Well I just scanned all 128 problem projects. there are about 16 projects that are using the problem CC licenses. |
[04:41] <sinzui> wgrant: these was and is a Public Domain. The license comes from US law and has troubles in other countries. CC-0 tries to addresses that |
[07:09] <jtv> hi folks |
[07:10] * wgrant welcomes jtv to the newly-populated channel. |
[07:11] * jtv wais wgrant |
[07:11] * kfogel says good night to wgrant, jtv |
[07:11] <jtv> good night Karl! |
[07:12] <kfogel> g'night |
[07:12] <wgrant> Night kfogel. |
[07:12] <wgrant> Damn. |
[10:25] <jtv> Anyone else having trouble running the Code tests? |
[11:33] <jtv> danilos, here's that change for the POExport view: https://pastebin.canonical.com/19361/ |
[11:33] <thumper> jtv: what's up? |
[11:34] <jtv> thumper: relative humidity is waaaay up. |
[11:35] <thumper> jtv: I was meaning the code tests |
[11:35] <jtv> thumper: oh that, probably just a local problem with my system. Never mind now. |
[11:35] <thumper> ok |
[11:35] <thumper> night |
[11:35] <jtv> thumper: good night |
[11:38] <jtv> danilos, got the paste? |
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[11:40] <danilos> jtv: can you try again? :) |
[11:40] <jtv> danilos: https://pastebin.canonical.com/19361/ |
[11:42] <danilos> jtv: thanks a lot |
[11:46] <jtv> np |
[12:08] <danilos> jtv: anyway, shall we have a call? |
[12:09] <jtv> danilos: definitely, I was only waiting for you to finish with stub |
[12:09] <danilos> jtv: or a chat, whatevah you prefer |
[12:19] <danilos> jtv: call me back :) |
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[02:18] <mwhudson> wgrant: i know what causes these 500s now |
[02:19] <wgrant> mwhudson: What was it? |
[02:20] <mwhudson> wgrant: me failing to realise that bzrlib's LRUCache is not threadsafe |
[02:20] <wgrant> mwhudson: Aha. |
[02:23] <mwhudson> wgrant: it confirms that just bouncing on refresh is appropriate in this situation |
[02:24] <wgrant> mwhudson: Thanks for looking at that. It's a bit annoying. |
[02:25] <mwhudson> wgrant: i don't know why it's happening so much now, tbh |
[02:25] <mwhudson> it should have been happening since april, aiui |
[02:26] <mwhudson> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/loggerhead/+bug/396320 fwiw |
[02:26] <ubot3> Malone bug 396320 in loggerhead "loggerhead accesses the same LRUCache from multiple threads" [Critical,Triaged] |
[02:26] <wgrant> mwhudson: It has certainly been happening much more frequently lately. |
[02:26] <mwhudson> i guess i've fixed some of the problems that just make it fall over completely... |
[02:27] <wgrant> Heh. |
[02:28] <mwhudson> also more traffic will make it happen more often |
[03:17] <thumper> mwhudson: is it on your radar to fix soonish? |
[03:18] <mwhudson> thumper: i guess it should be |
[03:18] <thumper> mwhudson: hard to fix? |
[03:18] <thumper> or just a pain to test? |
[03:18] <mwhudson> thumper: not massively |
[03:18] <mwhudson> thumper: heh, this is loggerhead! |
[03:18] <mwhudson> i dream about tests |
[03:18] <thumper> ehh |
[03:18] <thumper> heh |
[04:00] <lifeless> mwhudson: put a mutex around it? |
[04:01] <mwhudson> lifeless: right |
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[03:12] <thumper> just saying something so it isn't tumbleweed town here... |
[03:14] <lifeless> \|/- |
[03:15] <thumper> lifeless: is that supposed to be a spinner? |
[03:15] <lifeless> a tumbleweed |
[03:17] <wgrant> thumper: I take it that using this didn't take off? I presume #launchpad@irc.c.c is not quite this dead... |
[03:17] <thumper> wgrant: I think some people are still concerned about private details |
[03:17] <wgrant> thumper: I suppose so. |
[03:18] <thumper> wgrant: kfogel will be harassing people in private #launchpad-code once we open source |
[03:18] <thumper> but until then... |
[03:18] * thumper shrugs |
[03:18] <thumper> we are discussing timing in the team lead meeting tomorrow morning my time |
[03:18] <wgrant> Aha. |
[03:18] <wgrant> Good news. |
[03:18] <wgrant> As long as the discussion doesn't postpone it even more! |
[03:18] * thumper doesn't like the 6am phone calls |
[03:19] <thumper> wgrant: it depends on the bzr readiness |
[03:19] <thumper> we need to make sure that bzr 1.17 doesn't have bad format 2 bugs |
[03:19] <thumper> that is the most likely thing to cause delays |
[03:20] <wgrant> OK. |
[03:22] <lifeless> thumper: 2 isn't fully baked yet. |
[03:23] <lifeless> thumper: but must of the raw edges are on upgrade, which you won't be exposing people to |
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