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[03:30] <sinzui> wgrant: and you can image why we did that given bzr's series |
[03:31] <wgrant> sinzui: If everything was positioned by time, it could be a very wide but fairly short graph that was able to be zoomed sanely. |
[03:33] <sinzui> oh, kfogel filed one of the the ml-archive bugs. I'm definitely using the new tag |
[03:34] <wgrant> I've been wondering for a while if you've been wanting to minimise adoption of LP mailing lists. |
[03:34] <wgrant> The archives are... suboptimal. |
[03:34] <wgrant> Non-members cannot subscribe. |
[03:34] <sinzui> wgrant: \o/ |
[03:35] <wgrant> Message acceptance policies are unconfigurable. |
[03:35] <wgrant> Subjects are mangled. |
[03:35] <wgrant> (unconfigurably) |
[03:35] <sinzui> That is one of my points why it sucks, along with it does not integrate lp objects so I cannot link in and out of it |
[03:35] <wgrant> They could easily be very awesome, but they are not! |
[03:36] <sinzui> I cannot forward a message to my inbox so that I can reply (even if I am not a member of the list because I have good standing) |
[03:36] <wgrant> This standing thing also isn't documented anywhere except bugs, is it? |
[03:37] <sinzui> wgrant: We were going to create our own, or improve pipermail to rock. but we had two days, so we used MHonarc |
[03:38] <wgrant> sinzui: But MHonarc can do better than that... |
[03:38] <sinzui> kfogel: It can. |
[03:39] <sinzui> wgrant: kfogel looked into making some improvement. It can do better. |
[03:39] <wgrant> sinzui: This is good. |
[03:39] <wgrant> The lp-users archives are pretty terrible to use. |
[03:40] <wgrant> What is changing in the 3.0 UI? |
[03:41] <sinzui> We are reintroducing side portlets to emphasise activity. There are not many concrete examples of this |
[03:41] <sinzui> We want to show that things are happening on launchpad, commits, messages, subscribers, changes. And the side portlets can have actions that create these activities |
[03:42] <wgrant> But didn't you just try to kill all of the portlets? |
[03:42] <wgrant> Ah, good. That is one area in which Launchpad is really lacking. |
[03:42] <sinzui> We did, beuno likes them. He thinks they failed because they did not have strong rules of what they could contain or set users expectation about what they could do |
[03:43] <sinzui> links are still moving into the page |
[03:43] <sinzui> We are putting all the developers on updating all the pages to ensure we don't have any more 0, 1, and 2 ui pages left |
[03:45] <sinzui> wgrant: We want to improve the breadcrumbs and tabs, but we do not have any design and sope set for that yet. I think many pages will look a lot like the 2.0 pages. |
[03:46] <wgrant> Even completing the 2.0 UI would make things much better... |
[03:46] <wgrant> It's all pretty inconsistent now. |
[03:47] <sinzui> yep. I need to send an email asking for consistent heading/title rules. |
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[04:24] <wgrant> Since you're moving launchpad-loggerhead into the launchpad tree, are you not removing codehosting at all? |
[04:35] <kfogel> wgrant: there's a bug and a branch for the ml improvements |
[04:35] <kfogel> when I get off the phone I'll find the bug number |
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[19:45] <joey> hey matsubara-lunch, maybe you might get wgrant to review https://dev.launchpad.net/BugTriage/Draft and provide input? |
[19:46] <joey> Ursinha probably should have a run through too if she hasn't already |
[19:46] * Ursinha looks |
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[20:26] <matsubara> good idea joey |
[20:26] <joey> matsubara: only in that he's had some recent experience :-) |
[20:27] <joey> matsubara: you did good work on both the original and now this version so... might as well share! |
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[02:13] <mwhudson> if you ever ever ever think that you should design a publishing system where AttributeError turns into some kind of not found error, please stop right there |
[02:14] <mwhudson> </vent> |
[02:24] <wgrant> mwhudson: Be thankful you have an object publishing system, and not some horrid URL-regex-matcher. |
[02:24] <mwhudson> wgrant: this is true |
[02:24] <mwhudson> but then at least programming errors would look like programming errors |
[02:25] <wgrant> True. |
[02:26] <rockstar> mwhudson, are you talking about TraversalError? |
[02:27] <mwhudson> rockstar: why, yes i am! |
[02:28] <rockstar> mwhudson, the benefit of obscure exceptions like that is that curse words get SO creative, it's almost worth having the obscurity. :) |
[02:28] <mwhudson> yes, it's all an experiment to see if my rage can get hot enough to burn all the way through the earth's crust |
[02:28] <mwhudson> (not this time; must try harder) |
[02:30] <rockstar> Well, if you manage to put a whole through the earth, it would might make travelling to sprints a little easier. |
[02:34] <jml> Quick! Fetch me my unobtanium armor! |
[02:34] <lifeless> One word. |
[02:34] <lifeless> "Acquisition". |
[02:34] <thumper> AArrgg! |
[02:34] <thumper> not acquisition! |
[02:36] <mwhudson> lifeless: well yes, i would hope we'd have learnt the lesson a mere 10 years later |
[02:36] <rockstar> I just realized that I misspelled "hole" I used to not have these issues until we published that writing style guide. I think it broke me. |
[02:37] <mwhudson> (about, what, 15% we've been programming _at all_ as a race?) |
[02:37] <lifeless> style guides are overrated |
[02:37] <lifeless> :P |
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[16:02] <flacoste> me |
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[11:34] <wgrant> What happened to 2.2.8? |
[11:35] <Ursinha> wgrant, why? |
[11:37] <wgrant> Ursinha: I see a whole lot of stuff deferred to 2.2.9, but 2.2.8 doesn't exist. There's also no calendar past 2.2.7. |
[11:44] <jml> wgrant, hasn't an email gone out about that? |
[11:44] <wgrant> jml: Not that I've seen. |
[11:45] <jml> ok. I'll hassle some folk. |
[11:47] <wgrant> Nor has there been anything about the open sourcing, which looks to be happening soon given the RC license fixes... |
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[15:11] <noodles775> sinzui: can I assign a registry-related question to you? |
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