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[1313.50 --> 1319.06] tracking number but but it shipped on wednesday they hold they keep that story we get in touch |
[1319.06 --> 1323.12] with amd directly they give us a tracking number because of course there's a tracking number |
[1323.12 --> 1330.66] it didn't leave till friday so that is why we didn't get our 1800x in time also we're still trying |
[1330.66 --> 1337.36] to find out where our 1700 and 1700x are agency claims oh no there's no tracking number for those |
[1337.36 --> 1343.32] shipments but they've been shipped but there were storms meanwhile it's a little rainy outside |
[1343.32 --> 1350.08] but that's pretty normal in the pacific northwest so that's a thing we're pretty used to moving things |
[1350.08 --> 1357.14] in the rain anyway no problem amd's response to the underwhelming 1080p performance is that |
[1357.14 --> 1363.50] they are supporting 300 plus developer kits with game development studios to optimize current and |
[1363.50 --> 1368.94] future game releases for the all new ryzen cpu and they do have a point here it is sort of new and |
[1368.94 --> 1375.56] different they announced a strategic relationship with bethesda and cpu benchmarking deficits to the |
[1375.56 --> 1379.38] competition in certain games at 1080p resolution can be attributed to the development and optimization of |
[1379.38 --> 1386.32] games uniquely to intel platforms and again in the defense of game developers who did all of their |
[1387.14 --> 1393.02] platforms amd didn't have a cpu worth a rat's patoot in the last five years and most gamers were |
[1393.02 --> 1401.16] gaming on intel so i totally get why that happened um what if you could attribute a cost to a rat's |
[1401.16 --> 1408.48] patoot it was like a lab rat yeah i mean they have a they have a cost um and like if you're testing |
[1408.48 --> 1416.04] that like does it have a value all i know is that i wouldn't pay much for like a wheelbarrow full of |
[1416.04 --> 1423.16] them like one might have a cost but i don't think anyone wants like a truckload so it doesn't scale |
[1423.16 --> 1432.18] very well that's fair where am i gonna put these like if a rat's patoot is worth 25 cents like like |
[1432.18 --> 1437.98] what so you can take like you want to store them oh yeah a few thousand of them and buy like breath |
[1437.98 --> 1444.92] of the wild nintendo's gonna be like get this out of here it's like yes yes we have like a collecting |
[1444.92 --> 1449.82] random bull crap that you found on the ground system it's an open world game like we didn't |
[1449.82 --> 1454.52] realize anyone was actually out there doing this this stuff's not actually worth anything |
[1454.52 --> 1461.66] it's supposed to just be a video game it's like no we do not want boar hides i think that game is |
[1461.66 --> 1467.22] gonna like single-handedly sell the switch although i don't know it works for wii u um it's like the |
[1467.22 --> 1471.92] one of the fourth or fifth or it's in the top 10 of highest rated games all time on metacritic right |
[1471.92 --> 1479.16] now pretty ridiculous um so basically you know what i don't have a ton to say about this other than that |
[1479.16 --> 1486.40] um you know amd's got a point uh with that said i think that some of the complaints are |
[1486.40 --> 1494.40] a little bit if you're buying a like top tier gpu and a top tier cpu and then playing at 1080p |
[1494.40 --> 1502.20] it's a little weird so there are situations where i get it if you bought an asus pg220 |
[1502.20 --> 1507.96] whatever it was the 240 hertz okay so if you bought a 240 hertz 1080p gaming display |
[1507.96 --> 1515.80] then ryzen is not going to deliver the best possible experience but were you expecting it |
[1515.80 --> 1522.66] to i mean we already knew that ryzen why i think most people were oh well they were they were wrong |
[1522.66 --> 1527.12] and dumb um because we already knew i'm just saying like i think genuinely most people were |
[1527.12 --> 1536.02] okay well most people some people i already knew i already knew that even the most optimistic |
[1536.02 --> 1545.52] estimates of ryzen's performance had it at similar ipc to broadwell and i already knew based on the most |
[1545.52 --> 1552.88] optimistic estimates of ryzen's final clock speed that it wasn't going to be clocked higher than a 7700k |
[1552.88 --> 1560.56] so i already knew that it wasn't going to perform as well in single threaded applications what if you |
[1560.56 --> 1568.80] want to have uh only a processor and stream dota 2 only a processor i've still been really confused |
[1568.80 --> 1575.60] by that okay so i get it a bit more now um so anthony did some testing as part of our ryzen launch |
[1575.60 --> 1581.42] coverage where he did take a look so you know depending on who you talk to at intel you'll find |
[1581.42 --> 1589.22] people who talk about how great quick sync video encoding is and it and nvnc are very good the |
[1589.22 --> 1597.88] problem is that where they don't shine is in the low bitrate encoding scenario that is needed for |
[1597.88 --> 1606.46] streaming to twitch that's the problem so in order to get the best out of your 3500 kilobits per second |
[1606.46 --> 1611.36] which is really all that twitch will process anyway you can set it higher if you want but |
[1611.36 --> 1616.88] basically you're just wasting cpu cycles and due to actually you can hurt it because due to |
[1616.88 --> 1622.84] fluctuations if you start sending above four so if you set to like 3.8 and then it fluctuates to above |
[1622.84 --> 1631.42] four you'll just miss stuff and it's bad so so but at that kind of bit rate for 1080 60p |
[1631.42 --> 1638.84] which is like kind of a lot of pixels per second um you have to have the best possible source image |
[1638.84 --> 1643.80] you don't even really want to do 1080 60p just an additional note if you want to do sick oh yeah |
[1643.80 --> 1651.70] it's like 900 fps 720 is usually okay so anyway the point still stands you're very bitrate constrained |
[1651.70 --> 1658.46] and the more blockiness and crappiness in your original image the more it's going to be compounded |
[1658.46 --> 1666.52] by trying to stream it at a low bit rate out to your viewers he meant 1080 60 fps it's fine 1080 60p is a |
[1666.52 --> 1671.08] perfectly valid way to say that by the way he's just there's just a bunch of people in the yeah |
[1671.08 --> 1677.54] there's a bunch of people who don't know anyway so if you wanted to stream at 1080 60p |
[1677.54 --> 1684.58] then basically what that would mean is that you would you would be you would be making a slightly |
[1684.58 --> 1691.30] worse image even much more slightly worse um so that's why amd is defending their use |
[1691.30 --> 1699.36] of x264 encoding even on systems that obviously have powerful dedicated gpus like a like an rx480 |
[1699.36 --> 1706.76] that is the correct way to do it yes yeah now with that said in our testing we didn't observe the same |
[1706.76 --> 1715.86] like 20 dropped frames that amd had in their demos but i don't really understand that because i personally |
[1715.86 --> 1722.44] checked the amd demos i opened up i i minimized the game i opened up obs i made sure they were at |
[1722.44 --> 1728.12] the same setting so i think it's one thing that was noticed at the event yeah was that the x99 boards |
[1728.12 --> 1733.08] were in dual channel memory they only had two six of ram no they weren't okay i checked i heard this i |
[1733.08 --> 1740.84] don't know in fact there um in fact intel specifically or intel amd specifically even put 32 gigs of ram |
[1740.84 --> 1748.40] in the intel systems so that they were using um four eight gig sticks and then they had two eight |
[1748.40 --> 1754.60] gig sticks in their own systems so they actually had less overall memory interesting you know okay |
[1754.60 --> 1760.80] hold on a second though i didn't double check that the four sticks were in the right slots now that i |
[1760.80 --> 1765.68] think about it but i heard specifically two sticks so they must have just mixed up the systems or something |
[1765.68 --> 1770.64] i think that's quite possible because i did look at the cinebench system myself and there was at |
[1770.64 --> 1777.40] least one other one that like just you know i'm yeah of course yeah um and they definitely had four |
[1777.40 --> 1781.94] sticks in them and they and they was right on the spec sheet they had more ram in them so yeah |
[1781.94 --> 1789.98] um there's another really cool thing that came out of the ama on the amd subreddit though this is |
[1789.98 --> 1797.60] really cool um blah blah blah why is there a huge discrepancy in gaming benchmarks okay blah blah etc |
[1797.60 --> 1803.48] oh yes this is really cool so i actually asked this at the event but i didn't get an answer |
[1803.48 --> 1812.44] and um dr sue did answer it in the ama does do ryzen cpus support ecc memory and the answer is yes |
[1812.44 --> 1821.80] that's cool so they're low power and they support ecc memory for so long |
[1821.80 --> 1829.42] intel has held ecc kind of dangled it in front of us and gone oh you want this you want this you want |
[1829.42 --> 1838.82] this buy a zeon baby um i am so happy to see consumer grade cpus with ecc memory support |
[1838.82 --> 1845.68] i don't know that i would run out and build a free nas machine with you know a ryzen 3 immediately after |
[1845.68 --> 1851.68] launch i think i want to give this platform some more time to prove itself yeah but this is going to be |
[1851.68 --> 1860.50] an absolute godsend to people who want to use zfs on the cheap in their home nas because zfs really |
[1860.50 --> 1870.70] does want ecc memory for the best operation and to reduce risk of data corruption and right now that |
[1870.70 --> 1874.72] means you've got to go out and buy a zeon and unfortunately there's really not much in the way |
[1874.72 --> 1881.06] of cheap zeon because either you're buying a full-on motherboard an intel zeon lineup really doesn't get |
[1881.06 --> 1887.34] and like it's there's not like a you know a celeron zeon equivalent or you're buying like an embedded |
[1887.34 --> 1892.40] system that has a zeon soldered on the board and those because they're zeon are just not that cheap |
[1892.40 --> 1900.16] so this could be really cool cheapo itx board with an hba on it and a ryzen cpu and some ecc memory |
[1900.16 --> 1905.94] that could be a fantastic solution so i'm pretty stoked on that |
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