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[1735.60 --> 1743.86] And they're going to create deals directly with Samsung and LG to build in Plex that scans across all of these services. |
[1744.32 --> 1749.76] On the back end, they're building deals out with all these different streaming providers and trying to leverage their public APIs where they can. |
[1750.44 --> 1751.70] But this has never worked. |
[1752.88 --> 1752.96] Yeah. |
[1753.00 --> 1754.14] What's the business model? |
[1754.34 --> 1756.34] Like, I mean, we tried it, like I said, before the show. |
[1756.34 --> 1759.98] And the experience was hit or miss, right? |
[1760.04 --> 1765.34] We often clicked into an app that I didn't have installed or the service linked me. |
[1765.40 --> 1768.02] I think it was to YouTube in particular for a particular movie. |
[1768.24 --> 1770.74] I clicked on the movie and nothing happened. |
[1771.00 --> 1773.54] All I really did was just pass a search parameter to the YouTube app. |
[1773.68 --> 1775.36] But it was like a limited version of the YouTube app. |
[1775.52 --> 1781.34] Like even when it did work, it seemed like on net, it was kind of a worse experience than watching from your local. |
[1781.34 --> 1781.62] Sometimes. |
[1781.62 --> 1790.06] I mean, I can imagine after you got every single streaming service app installed and you got every single streaming service app logged in, then you go back to Plex. |
[1790.22 --> 1791.50] I could see that being a little smoother. |
[1791.68 --> 1798.14] But what would be even incredible, and I understand they can't do this, is if you could just stream it all in Plex because that's what you use Plex for, right? |
[1798.56 --> 1803.08] It's basically just a shell forwarding you to where the content is. |
[1803.44 --> 1806.24] They're just trying to deep link to the specific content in that app. |
[1806.24 --> 1813.26] I don't see Disney or Netflix or Amazon Prime or HBO letting Plex do that. |
[1813.72 --> 1819.84] You know, bypass DRM, it would probably make the particular streaming service app less sticky. |
[1820.44 --> 1827.88] So, you know, a lot of the friction of just changing apps for a lot of people is enough to keep people in the Netflix app or in the Disney app. |
[1828.38 --> 1830.78] Yeah, you kind of lose your moat effect, right? |
[1830.78 --> 1834.34] But Disney wants you to have to go into the Disney app. |
[1834.38 --> 1837.66] They want you to experience the Disney Plus experience. |
[1838.20 --> 1838.30] Right. |
[1838.38 --> 1844.60] So even if Plex isn't competing in terms of being the actual media dealer, on that, on being the dashboard and the interface, they are. |
[1844.88 --> 1845.04] Right. |
[1845.16 --> 1848.50] If you launch the Disney Plus app, they can feature their new movies. |
[1848.74 --> 1853.98] They can put banners up for the content they're trying to drive traffic to, and they don't have that control over the Plex UI. |
[1854.18 --> 1855.82] Hey, didn't you know we sell toys for these too? |
[1856.44 --> 1856.80] Yeah. |
[1856.80 --> 1867.90] So this is somewhat like some kind of a bastard child of tracked.tv and justwatch.com, because you can set up lists to add certain things to watch lists. |
[1868.14 --> 1875.24] And when a particular movie's coming out in the future, I can say, oh, remind me when this movie comes out and where I'll be able to watch it. |
[1876.70 --> 1884.76] What's really interesting, though, is that at the moment it feels promising, yet simultaneously not finished. |
[1884.94 --> 1885.02] Yeah. |
[1885.02 --> 1894.22] I like being able to search for a movie, and in the results, I see what server it's available on immediately. |
[1894.40 --> 1895.22] That's really nice. |
[1895.46 --> 1898.26] It was more of a manual process to find out if you had a movie or not. |
[1898.34 --> 1899.32] With the quality there. |
[1899.40 --> 1904.80] So if I search for a movie, it says HD 1080p on my server, and yours it might say 4K, for example. |
[1904.86 --> 1906.32] I'll be like, oh, I'll go and watch it on Chris's. |
[1906.34 --> 1906.46] Right. |
[1906.60 --> 1909.94] And funny enough, that worked really well. |
[1910.12 --> 1910.36] It did. |
[1910.36 --> 1911.14] That fires right up. |
[1911.20 --> 1912.36] It's all inside the Plex app. |
[1912.44 --> 1913.76] That's the experience you want. |
[1913.92 --> 1914.14] Mm-hmm. |
[1914.14 --> 1921.86] It's just when you go off to the other streaming apps, that it's nice to know what services a piece of content is on, and if you can buy or rent it. |
[1922.18 --> 1924.56] Because I have been in a situation where the family wanted to watch a movie. |
[1925.00 --> 1926.36] We didn't own that movie. |
[1926.48 --> 1927.60] We didn't have that one online. |
[1928.30 --> 1934.58] And so I ended up doing that thing where I found some website that lets you search across multiple streaming services, and then I fired that app up. |
[1934.70 --> 1936.54] And then, you know, so it fixes that process. |
[1936.70 --> 1936.88] Right. |
[1936.88 --> 1940.32] There's always three different versions of those sites, and you're never quite sure, are they actually up to date? |
[1940.32 --> 1940.94] Are they up to date? |
[1941.06 --> 1941.96] Yeah, that's true. |
[1942.48 --> 1943.18] So they fixed that. |
[1943.34 --> 1946.52] And, you know, I mean, we've talked about this before on the show. |
[1946.62 --> 1948.30] It's like, what else are they going to do, guys? |
[1948.62 --> 1954.24] They can't be like, hey, if you've got a really big pirated collection, like, we're the best app to play your pirated collection. |
[1954.32 --> 1955.46] Like, they can't go that route, right? |
[1955.48 --> 1960.42] So they've got to find some legitimate way to do this that isn't going to get them crushed by the copyright lobbyists. |
[1960.42 --> 1977.54] It's been obvious for a while, just as a user of Plex, that the core app, certainly as I see it, certainly what it started out as, as a home media streaming solution that is probably synonymous with pirated content, if we're being honest. |
[1978.82 --> 1980.72] That is not their core business now. |
[1981.16 --> 1988.52] And the app itself and the performance and the bugs and, you know, just the feature set that we're getting is proof of that. |
[1988.52 --> 1995.18] And this, this finally is, in my opinion, Plex tipping their hand and saying, this is the future of Plex. |
[1995.56 --> 2001.24] And so for me, I think Jellyfin is becoming more important than ever right now. |
[2001.36 --> 2002.66] Yeah, I agree. |
[2002.76 --> 2010.52] In fact, that's why I've been kind of watching the new Jellyfin releases and a new beta 10.8.0 just shipped a few days ago. |
[2011.08 --> 2012.22] There's some nice stuff in here. |
[2012.28 --> 2015.32] A lot of transcode fixes, some DLNA fixes are in here. |
[2015.32 --> 2020.56] It feels like they're entering that real sweet spot where they're focused on this kind of stuff. |
[2021.36 --> 2024.66] You know, that's a lot of how these things work in tech. |
[2025.76 --> 2029.02] They, you know, when they get big enough, they have to become some legitimate business. |
[2029.30 --> 2030.66] Like Harvey Dent, right? |
[2030.72 --> 2032.70] If you live long enough, you see yourself become the villain. |
[2032.92 --> 2033.72] Yeah, possibly. |
[2034.28 --> 2037.54] But I mean, with Jellyfin, right, we have a viable alternative. |
[2037.68 --> 2043.60] The only real major criticism I have is that it's in a language that I don't personally know how to contribute to. |
[2043.60 --> 2045.18] It's based off of the MB history. |
[2045.58 --> 2048.44] So there's a lot of, you know, Windows.net style. |
[2048.82 --> 2050.68] I think it's, or it's maybe C Sharp. |
[2050.84 --> 2051.36] I can't remember. |
[2051.66 --> 2051.84] Yes. |
[2051.98 --> 2052.80] Yeah, C Sharp, Bono. |
[2053.22 --> 2054.14] I feel the same way. |
[2054.18 --> 2055.14] It's sort of, it's a foreign thing. |
[2055.20 --> 2056.88] I'd love to be able to help, but it's not my villain. |
[2057.08 --> 2058.62] Yeah, if it was Python, I would be in there. |
[2058.76 --> 2058.92] Yeah. |
[2061.20 --> 2061.56] Yeah. |
[2061.76 --> 2064.96] Dangus wrote in with some Plex-free music self-hosting tips. |
[2065.06 --> 2065.88] He says, hey guys, love the show. |
[2065.94 --> 2069.98] I wanted to mention a few apps for those outside the Plex ecosystem or maybe planning to migrate. |
[2069.98 --> 2075.60] I've been an avid Jellyfin user for a few years now, and I've been getting into my music and hosting it as well. |
[2076.18 --> 2080.84] Namely, Sonic XD for the desktop and Symphomium, I think. |
[2081.22 --> 2082.08] Symphomium for Android. |
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