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[1121.92 --> 1122.48] this flaw. |
[1123.04 --> 1126.82] They sat on it for nearly three years before telling us about it. |
[1126.82 --> 1133.48] So, not only is there the original vulnerability that we're talking about here, there were other |
[1133.48 --> 1140.18] previously undisclosed vulnerabilities that have been bypassing the authentication as well |
[1140.18 --> 1145.24] as allowing remote code execution reported in both 2019 and 2020. |
[1145.78 --> 1146.82] That's when they were patched. |
[1146.94 --> 1147.24] Sorry. |
[1147.24 --> 1154.32] But, uh, I mean, I just feel like Wyze has to step their game up. |
[1154.40 --> 1155.04] This isn't good enough. |
[1155.70 --> 1161.64] You know, when they discontinued the V1, they issued a vague, like, uh, hey, this has some |
[1161.64 --> 1164.26] enhanced security risks, so you probably don't want to use it anymore. |
[1164.96 --> 1169.56] So, knowing what we know about this, that you have to be on the LAN initially to exploit |
[1169.56 --> 1169.78] it. |
[1169.78 --> 1174.34] And then when they discontinued the product, they said, hey, by the way, you should probably |
[1174.34 --> 1175.06] stop using it. |
[1175.34 --> 1177.64] I think their exact wording, I found it at one point. |
[1178.24 --> 1182.48] The company issued a warning during the V1 retirement saying, quote, it has an increased |
[1182.48 --> 1184.70] risk of attack. |
[1184.88 --> 1185.70] Increased risk. |
[1186.96 --> 1190.56] Because you do have to be on the LAN, because it has to be this particular one that they're |
[1190.56 --> 1194.82] not patching, and because it is a retired product, where is the line here? |
[1195.40 --> 1197.08] I agree with the V2 and V3. |
[1197.24 --> 1198.38] There should have been patch notes. |
[1198.38 --> 1203.92] The only reason that they're end of lifing the product is because it says here in their |
[1203.92 --> 1208.48] blog post, they can't support the necessary fixes in that product. |
[1208.86 --> 1208.90] Yeah. |
[1208.98 --> 1215.06] And so for me, if it was only being end of life as a consequence of that, gesture of goodwill, |
[1215.18 --> 1220.74] give us 25% off a V2 or a V3 camera or something, you know, something. |
[1221.02 --> 1221.32] Yeah. |
[1221.40 --> 1222.60] Because, you know, they rolled the dice. |
[1222.86 --> 1227.00] To make a $25 camera, they had to put really cheap parts in there. |
[1227.00 --> 1229.94] And that's why some of their AI stuff until the V3. |
[1230.42 --> 1233.26] Honestly, guys, the Wyze cams are not good until the V3. |
[1233.40 --> 1237.44] The V3 is a really good camera for the price, for $35 or whatever. |
[1237.60 --> 1240.80] But V1 and V2, they were rough. |
[1241.00 --> 1242.76] We've been using the V3 as our baby monitor. |
[1243.04 --> 1243.28] Yeah. |
[1243.78 --> 1245.54] The night vision on that thing is incredible. |
[1246.26 --> 1246.56] It is. |
[1247.34 --> 1248.66] I'm gone right now. |
[1248.66 --> 1252.66] And half of the way I'm monitoring the RV is with Wyze V3s. |
[1253.60 --> 1256.82] Every five minutes, he pulls out his phone and he's like, oh, look, there's Levi again. |
[1257.12 --> 1258.16] I got to check on the dog. |
[1258.28 --> 1259.42] It's your own form of doom scrolling. |
[1259.72 --> 1260.02] It is. |
[1260.28 --> 1265.46] But for me, and I think maybe for a lot of the people in our audience, when I deploy something |
[1265.46 --> 1272.52] like this, a $25 or a $35 camera, I go in assuming it's going to be monetized in some other way |
[1272.52 --> 1273.34] that I don't agree with. |
[1273.48 --> 1277.04] And so I blocked DNS requests from the camera. |
[1277.10 --> 1278.80] So the cameras can't properly talk to the internet. |
[1279.12 --> 1281.64] I have to be on my LAN in order to use the cameras. |
[1282.80 --> 1283.96] And that's just always the way I've... |
[1283.96 --> 1284.70] So they don't talk to... |
[1284.70 --> 1286.10] And that means they don't get firmware updates either. |
[1286.52 --> 1290.40] I have actually restored DNS access and done the firmware thing once, but then that's |
[1290.40 --> 1291.14] also caused problems. |
[1291.14 --> 1292.94] So it's not ideal. |
[1293.32 --> 1295.34] And that's why I've kind of backed off. |
[1295.42 --> 1298.72] If people have noticed on the show, I don't really talk about them as much anymore because |
[1298.72 --> 1300.90] it is a bit of a compromise product. |
[1301.16 --> 1305.56] But for the price and for the functionality and for the ability to integrate it with Home |
[1305.56 --> 1309.18] Assistant using things like Wyze Bridge, it's a compromise I'm willing to make still. |
[1309.26 --> 1313.52] And I'm not going to stop using my Wyze cams because of this, but I'd already built kind |
[1313.52 --> 1315.10] of for this scenario. |
[1315.70 --> 1318.92] Does it change any of your thoughts on adopting additional Wyze cams? |
[1319.06 --> 1320.80] You know, is this still a reasonable trade-off? |
[1320.80 --> 1322.50] Because that seemed kind of how they got on the scene, right? |
[1322.56 --> 1326.60] Like, look, it's not perfect, but it's cheap, it's workable, and it gets you started instead |
[1326.60 --> 1330.18] of maybe a, you know, hundreds of dollar fancy IP camera. |
[1331.50 --> 1332.42] Yeah, I'm always on the fence. |
[1333.00 --> 1333.92] It's like the Wyze... |
[1333.92 --> 1338.08] The great thing about the Wyze cams, USB powered, Wi-Fi, they can go outdoors. |
[1338.72 --> 1341.96] You can get them to work with Home Assistant with pretty much minimal effort. |
[1342.64 --> 1345.10] And you don't have to run wires or anything like that, right? |
[1345.10 --> 1346.56] It's just those things are so great. |
[1347.26 --> 1349.98] But they're also just not quite the right tool for the job. |
[1349.98 --> 1356.34] They're not quite the right ones to run 24-7, do 4K video, you really want it wired, you |
[1356.34 --> 1358.24] want POE and that kind of stuff, in my opinion. |
[1358.60 --> 1360.70] So that's always the balance I'm trying to make. |
[1361.28 --> 1365.36] Particularly as they're moving into the wider smart home ecosystem, like you were saying, |
[1365.42 --> 1366.82] they have ambitions to... |
[1366.82 --> 1368.02] I think they make a doorbell now. |
[1368.18 --> 1368.98] They make... |
[1369.56 --> 1371.86] Probably be making a 3D printer before we know it. |
[1371.86 --> 1379.66] So I think the long-term outlook for me and Wyze is they're just a cheap, convenient solution |
[1379.66 --> 1382.24] to non-essential problems. |
[1383.24 --> 1388.86] You know, if the webcam we're using as a baby monitor broke, I'd probably just buy another |
[1388.86 --> 1392.08] one because they're so cheap compared to a dedicated baby monitor. |
[1392.08 --> 1396.78] And we have the flexibility of pulling up the app anywhere on any device. |
[1397.30 --> 1397.86] And, you know... |
[1397.86 --> 1398.04] Yep. |
[1398.86 --> 1400.18] They're very flexible. |
[1400.30 --> 1400.46] Yep. |
[1400.46 --> 1401.04] They're very cheap. |
[1401.14 --> 1401.42] Exactly. |
[1401.50 --> 1402.92] But you do pay a price for that. |
[1403.02 --> 1404.06] And sometimes they have a great sale. |
[1404.82 --> 1406.16] They have great sales sometimes, too. |
[1406.64 --> 1407.38] I think it does say a lot. |
[1407.44 --> 1410.42] You know, we're just talking about all the things you have automated in your home. |
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