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ed0c
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First of all, thanks for your hard work. Since I'm a french doctor, i would really like to train your model with french.. But do you have audio files to feed your rag ?
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MajesticAd2862
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Thanks for appreciating the work! RAG is a technology not working with these type of voice model. But v2 will be multi-lingual including French, so follow us on any of the platforms or send me a DM and I'll let you know when it's online.
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/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0q5h9/i_finetuned_parakeet_06b_for_medical_asr_open/oqk421w/
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oqk82bl
LocalLLaMA
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nuclearbananana
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By the way I downloaded the test dataset you have under https://github.com/Omi-Health/medical-STT-eval for a personal project, but I'm not sure you're aware, it has a lot of errors. I cleaned up one file (day1_consultation02), parakeet v2 went from 14.1% wer to 8.7%. It was very time consuming so I haven't done any m...
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oqk9pum
LocalLLaMA
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oqk82bl
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MajesticAd2862
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Thanks for letting me know. It is a different test set and not directly related to this benchmark. But please do a PR for these fixes you did. I'll have a look into it and improve it! First time I am hearing about it while having shared it for a while, so thanks!
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oqkaf4r
LocalLLaMA
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LocalLLaMa_reader
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Very interesting, Parakeet is such a strong ASR model for its size, my go-to in [Handy](https://github.com/cjpais/Handy). Three questions: 1. why did you not start from Parakeet V3? or Canary? or any other model, incl Qwen? (See also further questions) 2. Anyhow, you already noted in the comments that RAG is not possi...
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oqkb5po
LocalLLaMA
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nuclearbananana
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I'm not able to run your benchmark (the wer above was on my own) so I can't open a pr in good faith, but I'll make an issue
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oqkbm6m
LocalLLaMA
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Commercial_Eagle_693
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Nice, sub-1B fine-tunes punching above their weight is my favorite genre. I have been working on tiny models too and what keeps surprising me is how much headroom there is once you stop treating size as the ceiling. Out of curiosity, did the 0.6B hold up on accents or noisy audio, or is the gain mostly on clean speech?...
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oqkedcd
LocalLLaMA
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MajesticAd2862
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Fully agree Parakeet is a great local model. So answering your questions: 1) Basically because it runs smoothly locally and especially the MLX version runs great on Mac locally without dedicated GPU (Qwen, Canary etc don't). This was English only, and V2 would be a bit better for English only. My multi-lingual next ve...
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oqketk6
LocalLLaMA
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MajesticAd2862
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Same thing here, love when small models punch above their weights (literally). I tried to diversify the dataset with adding noise and created multiple accents, so do think it is important. But still having raw real world voice datasets still is scarce and would be very valuable. I don't have metrics on clean-vs-messy,...
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null
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0q5h9/i_finetuned_parakeet_06b_for_medical_asr_open/oqketk6/
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oqkt5xt
LocalLLaMA
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bad_detectiv3
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Good stuff where did you find the data to fine tune the model with?
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null
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oql07j4
LocalLLaMA
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MajesticAd2862
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That was the real challenge. Going over many sources, including Huggingface datasets. But also created filtered sets of stuff like CommonVoice. And created synthetic targeted sets with Elevenlabs and OpenAI TTS.
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oqlkjah
LocalLLaMA
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PhilippeEiffel
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From my experience, learning data quality is critical. A single error in the dataset can drastically reduce the performance because at learning phase it makes its best to memorize this wrong value. Other training data would give the right answer for this sample, but it forces to convince itself there is a small differe...
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oqlst3r
LocalLLaMA
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MajesticAd2862
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Couldn't agree more. But just to explain, the comment is about a different Evaluation dataset which isn't related to this model nor its training. It's also quite vague about what the issue is, so curious to hear more. In the last months I haven't heard anything while has been online for a while and shared at many place...
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oqm8pc9
LocalLLaMA
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Porespellar
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OP, are you one of the hosts of the ThursdAI podcast? I ask because I think one of those guys made something similar (Parakeet with Medical domain app) and was discussing it on last week’s episode.
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oqojwai
LocalLLaMA
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MajesticAd2862
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I am not, but thanks for introducing me to this podcast. Was it the June 4th episode?
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oqouzhi
LocalLLaMA
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koloved
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Great. Thanks for the work. It would be great to add this to Handy It seems that this model must be converted to int8 to be used in this app.
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oqoyfo9
LocalLLaMA
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Porespellar
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Yes. It was the June 4th episode towards the end of the episode.
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oqp3fuv
LocalLLaMA
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oqouzhi
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koloved
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I have added a support request for this model. If anyone is interested, let them know in the discussions. [https://github.com/cjpais/Handy/discussions/1490](https://github.com/cjpais/Handy/discussions/1490)
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oqqmzdy
LocalLLaMA
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vick2djax
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Is there any advantage this has over just using a RAG for medical knowledge?
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null
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0q5h9/i_finetuned_parakeet_06b_for_medical_asr_open/oqqmzdy/
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oqswq3q
LocalLLaMA
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mister2d
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The question you're asking is for a different problem. This fine tune appears to be about on device medical transcription, not knowledge retrieval.
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null
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oqurbm3
LocalLLaMA
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MajesticAd2862
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So RAG is not something you can use with these types of speech models. You could use it some way in context with LLM based speech models, but unsure if that’s helpful.
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null
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0q5h9/i_finetuned_parakeet_06b_for_medical_asr_open/oqurbm3/
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oqk1i0n
LocalLLaMA
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Consistent-Height-75
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Also Iran attacked Israel yesterday in retaliation.
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oqk1rwy
LocalLLaMA
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hainesk
1,780,967,747
>Tools for Humanity, the eyeball-scanning startup co-founded by Sam Altman, is laying off employees, according to an internal email viewed by Business Insider. >The company has [struggled to show](https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-altman-orb-eye-scanning-startup-billion-user-goal-viability-2025-11) how its iris-scan...
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1,789,194,975
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oqk2ge6
LocalLLaMA
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HumanDrone8721
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RAM Prices +10%
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null
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0qndz/sam_altmans_eyescanning_startup_lays_off_staff/oqk2ge6/
1,789,194,975
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqk3aln
LocalLLaMA
1u0qndz
oqk1rwy
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btmalon
1,780,968,267
Just like Tesla it’s all a shell game. Stacking fake valuations on top of fake valuations. Who’s gonna stop em?
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null
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0qndz/sam_altmans_eyescanning_startup_lays_off_staff/oqk3aln/
1,789,194,975
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oqk46w1
LocalLLaMA
1u0qndz
1u0qndz
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Longjumping-Bake-557
1,780,968,555
Why am I supposed to care about Sam Altman's pet project in a sub about local models
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1,789,194,975
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oqk4rvt
LocalLLaMA
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oqk46w1
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HumanDrone8721
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Is fingers twiddling waiting for Qwen-3.7, cillax dude.
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1,789,194,975
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oqk6c3n
LocalLLaMA
1u0qndz
oqk1rwy
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buttplugs4life4me
1,780,969,280
Connections. Someone knows someone who sucked someone off and voilà 
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null
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1,789,194,975
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oqk73yx
LocalLLaMA
1u0qndz
oqk4rvt
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CalligrapherFar7833
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Gguf when
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null
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0qndz/sam_altmans_eyescanning_startup_lays_off_staff/oqk73yx/
1,789,194,975
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oqk9u4g
LocalLLaMA
1u0qndz
1u0qndz
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This_Maintenance_834
1,780,970,433
it is funny that he leads the company that destroyed his pet project. AI grabbed so much attention and money from the crypto world. If it wasn’t all the AI stuff, his pet project might had been doing fine.
1
null
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0qndz/sam_altmans_eyescanning_startup_lays_off_staff/oqk9u4g/
1,789,194,975
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqka6qo
LocalLLaMA
1u0qndz
1u0qndz
0
vulcan4d
1,780,970,550
Oh well, at least he still owns many data centers. One sucks as much juice as the city of London and employs only enough workers to staff a Walmart.
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null
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0qndz/sam_altmans_eyescanning_startup_lays_off_staff/oqka6qo/
1,789,194,975
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oqk9g1y
LocalLLaMA
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1u0rqbv
0
AutoModerator
1,780,970,302
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false
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1,789,194,978
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oqka5ga
LocalLLaMA
1u0rtjm
1u0rtjm
0
AutoModerator
1,780,970,538
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false
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1,789,194,982
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oqkju9x
LocalLLaMA
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1u0snw6
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FoxiPanda
1,780,973,908
I'm not going to turn down some free performance on my Mac Studios... especially prompt processing. This is great!
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null
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0snw6/ggmlwebgpu_improve_prefill_speeds_for_kquants/oqkju9x/
1,789,194,982
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oqkmlhe
LocalLLaMA
1u0snw6
1u0snw6
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JaredsBored
1,780,974,888
It's awesome to git pull, rebuild, and see a big performance bump. I'm seeing 10-15% higher prompt processing on qwen 35b and 122b on an AMD V620. That brings things almost in line with q4\_0/q4\_1 quants, impressive stuff.
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1,789,194,982
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oqkpkc8
LocalLLaMA
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kinetic_energy28
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When I first read it I was impressed, but later on I found that it is for WebGPU backend 😄
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1,789,194,982
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oqkpu6n
LocalLLaMA
1u0snw6
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FoxiPanda
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Yeah I'm less impressed now too, but hey, performance is performance. Happy for those who can use it.
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1,789,194,982
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oqkxkcx
LocalLLaMA
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pmttyji
1,780,979,167
😄 Thought the title was enough. Next time onwards, I'll include \[{Backend} Only\] in bold text **EDIT**: Sharing another (**Open**) PR on pp which you would like to have instantly. This week or this month probably [https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/pull/21067](https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/pull/21067)
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ov8q0g3
LocalLLaMA
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crantob
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It hurts my soul to see such workloads being shunted through a web browser.
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LocalLLaMA
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AutoModerator
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oql4plk
LocalLLaMA
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Only_Situation_4713
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It's not even close. Q8 is nearly indistinguishable to FP16 on any metric. Q4 with QAT is nice but not even close.
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oql5uql
LocalLLaMA
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MalabaristaEnFuego
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In my testing they're very similar and not discernible from each other in terms of accuracy. The QAT model runs 2-3x as fast, however.
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oql6fyq
LocalLLaMA
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caetydid
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I'd be happy for now to see benchmarks comparing 4-bit QAT with similar-sized q4.
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oqlkk4d
LocalLLaMA
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Long_comment_san
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Got any posts or benchmarxxxs?
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null
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oqlm6i0
LocalLLaMA
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t00052e
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I am using mlx_lm.server, prompt size around 10k using MBP M5 Max with 128Gb RAM. 8bit is 13 tok/s and 4bit QAT is 16 tok/s. 4bit no QAT is around 20 tok/s. Not accurate benchmark, just a quick test.
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oqlnbgz
LocalLLaMA
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oqlkk4d
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Away-Sorbet-9740
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I didn't grab the links, but scrolling today I've seen the same reports popping up from people getting time to test. QAT Q4 lags behind Q6 from what I'm seeing. About to slap them in a harness and see myself though.
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null
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oqlo9u0
LocalLLaMA
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we_are_mammals
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> I'm trying to find out if anyone has done any benchmarking comparing the Gemma 4 4-bit QAT models (via Unsloth) against standard 8-bit non-QAT quants. I have: https://www.reddit.com/r/unsloth/comments/1u0sv58/ (I'm still running some tests with Qwen3.6-27B) The comment section has more links to other comparisons.
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oqlpe50
LocalLLaMA
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sfifs
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I ran for the Gemma4 31B model yesterday a comparison on Aider Polyglot (Python and JS only) between the QAT model and NVIDIA's NVFP4 Nim image. I actually found to my surprise that there was actually a performance regression. I haven't written it up but here's the numbers. Note these are with reasoning off as reasonin...
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oqlqm9n
LocalLLaMA
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1u0vltz
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Substantial_Step_351
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QAT closes most of the acurracy gap, that's the whole point of it, so on perplexity and standard accuracy you'll probably keep seeing what people report here, 4-bit QAT roughly matching the bigger quant. The axis I'd actually want compared for agent use is different, the share of tool calls that come back as valid par...
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LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
1u0vltz
0
Commercial_Eagle_693
1,780,994,911
One thing I'd watch when you find a comparison: most QAT-vs-standard-quant numbers get reported as a single perplexity or a benchmark average, and that hides where the quality actually went. In my experience post-training 4-bit can hold the aggregate metrics almost perfectly while quietly degrading on the long tail, ra...
12
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqm1yyh
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqlpe50
1
Fit-Statistician8636
1,780,999,411
Off-topic but in your tests, does Qwen 3.5 122B A10B do better than Qwen3.6 27B? I have seen much more love for the latter amongst people able to run both.
2
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqm2t69
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqlqm9n
1
IndicationUnfair7961
1,780,999,818
Overall, your question is incorrect, because we don't really need to know how it compares to Standard 8bit; what we need to know is if it beats the same level quantization models like Unsloth GGUF or whatever. Ultimately, the issue is that we still need to be able to run these models on local hardware, and we need to k...
1
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null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqm3xch
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqm1yyh
2
sfifs
1,781,000,351
Short answer yes by quite a margin especially on the more complex Aider Polyglot. My benchmarking is here - https://srinathh.medium.com/mid-size-local-models-are-now-competitive-for-ai-agents-7696b2e8b535
4
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null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqm4pn4
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqm3xch
3
Fit-Statistician8636
1,781,000,724
That surprises me. Thank you. I’ll give it a chance then. (Although DSV4-Flash has proven so great it would be quite difficult to leave it even for a while.)
2
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null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqm5dbn
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqlo9u0
1
NineThreeTilNow
1,781,001,029
The issue with your test is your lower bound for random int my guy. You can't claim the standard deviation solely on sample count when the tests are known to be massively different in difficulty. Even if it "averages out", the sample size to average out is massive. If you had to test like that you'd want like... Rand...
-1
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null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqmbjyy
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqm5dbn
2
we_are_mammals
1,781,003,687
> You can't claim the standard deviation solely on sample count when the tests are known to be massively different in difficulty. A real-world analogy: You have 3 different bent coins. You flip coin X to decide whether to flip coin Y or coin Z. Then you flip one of those. And that's your result. Regardless of this "s...
4
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqmc9de
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqm4pn4
4
sfifs
1,781,003,976
Are you running a dual rig? DSV4 flash would not fit on a single spark for me. It is certainly superior
2
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqmitop
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
1u0vltz
0
KURD_1_STAN
1,781,006,487
If u want simple 1 shot prompts video then watch tooen chaser on yt.
3
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null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqmon73
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqltcr0
1
SkyFeistyLlama8
1,781,008,515
QAT Q4_0 is much less likely to make stupid program-ending mistakes compared to regular Q4_0 or some dynamic special sauce thing like by Unsloth. I've seen it happen with JS and Python code.
-1
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null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqmq0sq
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqmon73
2
Commercial_Eagle_693
1,781,008,971
Yeah, and code is the cleanest place to see it because the failure is binary. QAT saw the quantization noise during training, so it learned to protect the brittle paths instead of smearing the error evenly across everything. Regular Q4\_0 just rounds and hopes. The reason it stays invisible on benchmarks: a perplex...
6
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null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqn1am0
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqmq0sq
3
SkyFeistyLlama8
1,781,012,444
I'm talking about the 26B-A4B MOE so that model could be more prone to quantization damage than dense models. More on long blocks of JS like making simple games with lots of animated elements or Python code with complicated classes. QAT is much less likely to make mistakes on one-shot prompts whereas regular Q4_0 made...
2
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null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqn3lic
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqlnbgz
3
GoodTip7897
1,781,013,109
Please post your results because we need more anecdotes and tests about this.  Google should've tested it themselves first and provided evidence but instead we're left to gather it ourselves.  I truly have no clue why qat is doing worse than q6 in my tests. Maybe the benchmarks don't capture the failure mode of reg...
3
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqn7y6v
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqn1am0
4
Commercial_Eagle_693
1,781,014,349
The MoE detail is the key part, I think that's exactly why you saw it so hard. Q4\_0 damage isn't spread evenly across an MoE. You only need the handful of experts that actually fire for code to get rounded badly and the whole output rots. A dense model smears the error out, MoE concentrates it into the path you're usi...
2
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqn8zun
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqn3lic
4
Away-Sorbet-9740
1,781,014,641
Had a few work thing come up, but my test are largely work flow based. So we will get a peak at if it's a benchmark thing, or if it's a model thing. I grabbed a couple models, only thing I can't run well is 31B dense here at home. I'll have to put it on the work PC this week with the 4090.
3
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqn9ydg
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqlm6i0
1
Borilentz
1,781,014,907
This is not about speed but quality performance benchmarks.
2
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqna16k
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqn8zun
5
GoodTip7897
1,781,014,927
Thanks.  I will be replacing qwen 3.6 27b q5_k_xl with Gemma 4 31b qat for today and seeing if it can handle the same amount of agentic work I usually throw at it. I agree that workflow tests are much better than benchmarks. Benchmarks would suggest that Claude haiku is near the quality of qwen 3.6 27B, but my expe...
3
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqnd6bb
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
1u0vltz
0
ItilityMSP
1,781,015,792
You really need to run the benchmarks about five times to have any ability to compare a single run tells you nothing.
2
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqnjhws
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqm5dbn
2
audioen
1,781,017,455
Note that 90 % of the numbers have the maximum number of digits, because in order to have less than maximum, the first digit must be 0. This is 1/10 chance, of course. 99 % of the numbers are at most 1 digit short, for the same reason.
1
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqnpb2z
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqm4pn4
4
audioen
1,781,018,944
It is because of quantization in these results, I suspect. Any result that places 3.6-27b as roughly equally good as 3.6-35b-a3b is not correctly conducted, as there is a vast gulf between these two models in my experience. In this case, I think it is because of the ruthless NVFP4 quant of the 27b. The 27b model is not...
3
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null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqo4biz
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqnpb2z
5
Choice_Celery9481
1,781,022,761
have you tried unsloth version? they claimed that their q4 is much better than google provided q4 because of a bug in llama.cpp quant func
2
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqo4d5f
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqnpb2z
5
sfifs
1,781,022,773
I recently ran a comparison of NVFP4 FP8 and the original BF16 on the 3.6 35b A3b model. I haven't published yet - I saw some improvements but not radically different. Aider Polyglot pass@2 came in 6-7 points higher than the quantized variants. The 122b A10B nvfp4 was 10 points higher than the BF16 of the smaller model...
1
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqo6stk
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqmc9de
5
Fit-Statistician8636
1,781,023,394
I am running FP8 27B on one RTX 6000 or BF16 on two. No difference in my benchmarks run between the two, but I prefer BF16 anyway. DSv4F FP8 can run on two with \~ 384k context with full 2x parallelism (vLLM). NVidia recently released NVFP4 - not sure how much VRAM it needs.
1
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqpb8ug
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqo4d5f
6
Fit-Statistician8636
1,781,034,077
3.6 27B versus 3.5 122B-A10B would be interesting. As I said, people generally praise the 27B as godsend for coding, while 122B is mostly forgotten.
1
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqr085c
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqm1yyh
2
shansoft
1,781,052,823
It's far superior and not even close. I been running unsloth 122B Q5 as my main go-to model.
1
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqr0j03
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqlpe50
1
shansoft
1,781,052,923
May I ask why you prefer nvfp4 over things like unsloth q4 or q5? I find nvfp4 quality near unsloth q3 most of the time, except that it is extremely fast.
2
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqr4pd2
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqn7y6v
5
SkyFeistyLlama8
1,781,054,311
I haven't tried the QAT 26B MOE with long context jobs. It sounds like a good test to run over the weekend.
2
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqr918p
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqr0j03
2
sfifs
1,781,055,776
Mainly for FLASHINFER_CUTLASS. I have a GB10 box that is in a sweet spot memory wise but bandwidth constrained, so it makes a difference for usability.
5
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqra1xe
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqpb8ug
7
sfifs
1,781,056,117
I did do that comparison and 27B underperforms 122b on Aider Polyglot but both tests were with NVFP4 kernels - it's in the article. If quantization has a large impact on 27B Vs the MoE models, that could explain the finding. I would have personally however expected dense models should be more resilient to quantization ...
2
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqreiw7
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqm2t69
2
Substantial_Step_351
1,781,057,626
Fair. The same memory comparison is the one users actually act on, 4-bit QAT against a 4-bit standard GGUF at equal footprint, not against Q8. I was answering the OP's framing, which was QAT vs 8-bit, but yours is the more useful axis I agree. The point I'd keep either way is what you score them on. Whether it's QAT v...
2
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqrvv9c
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqna16k
6
Away-Sorbet-9740
1,781,064,084
Ok so I got some time to test and got some positive results. #1, I'm not seeing any regression in tool calling, reasoning, or retrieval from q6/q4km when testing on 26b and 12b. 12B is actually still stronger in a few places. #2, if you are staying all in vram memory, MTP mixed well with QAT. You get a little size ...
3
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
or74u2q
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqm2t69
2
Adventurous-Paper566
1,781,257,194
Yes, the real question is Q4\_K\_XL vs QAT and if QAT wins then Q5\_K\_XL vs QAT.
3
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oulkphh
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
or74u2q
3
IntelligentGuess42
1,782,774,118
To add my small data anecdote, Q5\_K\_S beats QAT Q4\_K\_XL for two test tasks (almost single prompt) I run.
3
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
ox4c6pp
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqna16k
6
TomLucidor
1,783,877,780
Could you check if it is a template config issue? The code has been updating for a while now [https://github.com/raullenchai/Rapid-MLX/discussions/1062#discussioncomment-17598198](https://github.com/raullenchai/Rapid-MLX/discussions/1062#discussioncomment-17598198)
1
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
p0yb9es
LocalLLaMA
1u0vltz
oqmon73
2
dampflokfreund
1,785,532,205
Try a good q4\_k quant like Q4\_K\_L by Bartowski which has imatrix. It is noticeably better than q4\_0 QAT in my experience. Less programming mistakes.
2
null
null
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqlfjxh
LocalLLaMA
1u0xaml
1u0xaml
0
Formal-Exam-8767
1,780,987,623
Was the already quantized QAT version requantized?
0
null
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0xaml/comment/oqlfjxh/
1,789,195,004
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqlgcyl
LocalLLaMA
1u0xaml
1u0xaml
0
[deleted]
1,780,988,022
[deleted]
0
null
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0xaml/comment/oqlgcyl/
1,789,194,982
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqlibvo
LocalLLaMA
1u0xaml
1u0xaml
0
audioen
1,780,989,015
Unsloth stated that Q4_0 can't represent the QAT model accurately, so my expectation that it is because Q4_0 format is not appropriate for Gemma-4 QAT and therefore llama.cpp should not be used with this or any other QAT model from the Gemma family until the issue is fixed. The key problem is that Q4_0 uses F16 forma...
22
null
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0xaml/comment/oqlibvo/
1,789,194,982
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqlj4w4
LocalLLaMA
1u0xaml
oqlfjxh
1
audioen
1,780,989,428
Yes, it seems so. GGUF Q4_0 format can't represent the original QAT model weights, so it is altered by the process of expressing as Q4_0, and has lost accuracy as consequence.
3
null
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0xaml/comment/oqlj4w4/
1,789,194,982
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqm1k5z
LocalLLaMA
1u0xaml
oqlibvo
1
413205
1,780,999,207
May I ask for the "unsloth stated" source?
1
null
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0xaml/comment/oqm1k5z/
1,789,194,982
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqm9rqw
LocalLLaMA
1u0xaml
1u0xaml
0
ABLPHA
1,781,002,944
https://unsloth.ai/docs/models/gemma-4/qat#:~:text=We%20found%20that%20naively%20converting%20the%20QAT%20Q4%5F0%20checkpoint%20to%20Q4%5F0%20in%20llama%2Ecpp%20land%20actually%20degraded%20accuracy%20and%20was%20not%20actually%20aligned%20with%20the%20BF16%20QAT%20lattice%20for%20Q4%5F0%2E
2
null
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0xaml/comment/oqm9rqw/
1,789,194,998
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqmh7fv
LocalLLaMA
1u0xaml
oqlgcyl
1
silenceimpaired
1,781,005,897
“At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
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null
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0xaml/comment/oqmh7fv/
1,789,194,982
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqmklun
LocalLLaMA
1u0xaml
oqlibvo
1
DunderSunder
1,781,007,125
Does vllm version have these problems? Also, was the gemma 3 QAT fine? I don't remember it having issues.
1
null
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0xaml/comment/oqmklun/
1,789,194,982
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqn8y2q
LocalLLaMA
1u0xaml
oqm9rqw
1
413205
1,781,014,628
thanks
1
null
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0xaml/comment/oqn8y2q/
1,789,194,990
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqynlmc
LocalLLaMA
1u0xaml
1u0xaml
0
Front-University4363
1,781,146,141
Really interesting — it lines up with what I found measuring Gemma 4 QAT (the 12B): the QAT quality edge is much smaller than the headline, and against a good non-QAT quant it can vanish. A few things that might explain QAT < IQ4_XS for you: Sample size — 11 vs 14 on ~20 questions is within noise; I'd want more quest...
1
null
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0xaml/comment/oqynlmc/
1,789,194,982
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqlf266
LocalLLaMA
1u0xb2u
1u0xb2u
0
AutoModerator
1,780,987,380
Hello! Your post was removed as you do not have sufficient karma on r/LocalLLaMa. We are doing this in response to the large volume of spam we are unfortunately experiencing. Please participate in the sub (through comments), gain the minimum of 5 karma and then re-post *I am a bot, and this action was performed automa...
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false
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0xb2u/have_you_ever_faced_this_problem/oqlf266/
1,789,194,979
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqlfimp
LocalLLaMA
1u0xdfl
1u0xdfl
0
AutoModerator
1,780,987,605
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0
false
https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0xdfl/what_models_would_you_run_for_agentic_coding_on/oqlfimp/
1,789,194,978
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqlgx88
LocalLLaMA
1u0xhj5
1u0xhj5
0
sloth_cowboy
1,780,988,301
Asrock x870e Taichi lite. Dual pcie gen 5 x16 slots, and supports bifurcated x8/x8 or x4/x4/x4/x4 if you plan to use MCIO setup.
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null
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0xhj5/is_there_any_consumergrade_motherboard_with_dual/oqlgx88/
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqlgx8d
LocalLLaMA
1u0xhj5
1u0xhj5
0
FullstackSensei
1,780,988,301
Consumer platforms, by their very cost conscious nature, are limited in the number of lanes you get from the CPU. How can a board have two x16 slots when CPUs are limited to ~24 lanes, some of which need to go to NVMe? Whats your problem with workstation or server platforms? Your use case is literally what they're des...
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null
/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0xhj5/is_there_any_consumergrade_motherboard_with_dual/oqlgx8d/
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqlgxjf
LocalLLaMA
1u0xhj5
1u0xhj5
0
Poha_Best_Breakfast
1,780,988,306
Asus proart x870E which I have has 2 x8 slots. I think the MSI godlike, asrock taichi and Asus x870E crosshair hero also do. To get PCIe 5.0 x8 and x8 you’ll need to have GPUs that do support PCIe 5.0. If the GPU is say an RTX 3090 it’ll fall back to PCIe 4.0 x8
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/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0xhj5/is_there_any_consumergrade_motherboard_with_dual/oqlgxjf/
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer
oqlgyuf
LocalLLaMA
1u0xhj5
1u0xhj5
0
raging_giant
1,780,988,324
You can split many PCIe5 x16 into two x8 slots but to go more than a few centimetres and you are in for a world of hurt with retimers. High end desktop is basically dead at this point. You are better off with used enterprise gear if you need more PCIe lanes or 2nd hand threadripper.
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/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1u0xhj5/is_there_any_consumergrade_motherboard_with_dual/oqlgyuf/
1,789,194,981
batch-priority-2026-summer